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Title: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: freakazoid on February 26, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/james-gunn-defends-chris-pratt-against-backlash-over-prayer-tweet-for-kevin-smith/ar-BBJCAsk?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Kevin Smith apparently had a major heart attack and was sent to the hospital, so Chris Pratt sent him a message talking about how he had been an inspiration for him and that he will be praying for his recovery. The usual people were triggered by that and attacked him for it, because apparently they expect him to actually go in and perform surgery or something himself.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: makattak on February 27, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
The slowly growing persecution of Christians continues to slowly grow...




(As a note, I'm not whining. We have been told to expect this. And, as other Christians suffer threats to their life (and more than threats), social persecution is not comparable. However, this doesn't bode well for the country.)
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 27, 2018, 10:25:46 AM
I don't know if this sort of mindless, anti-religious sentiment always qualifies as bigotry. Perhaps sometimes it's just nastiness, and ridiculing people you don't understand.

I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: zxcvbob on February 27, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?   ;/  Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: makattak on February 27, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
I don't know if this sort of mindless, anti-religious sentiment always qualifies as bigotry. Perhaps sometimes it's just nastiness, and ridiculing people you don't understand.

I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.

I could think that was all it was if it weren't generally accompanied by "Your sky-god isn't doing anything!" and "It's the doctors, not the spaghetti monster, stupid."
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: dogmush on February 27, 2018, 01:26:27 PM
I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.

I think there's a lot of this.  For myself, I sigh and roll my eyes at a lot of the "thoughts and prayers" I see, because it's coming from people that live a non-religious life.  When I see it from folks I know well enough to know are sincere in their beliefs, even if their beliefs are different than mine I take it in the spirit it is intended.

A lot of politicritters seem to make a show of Christianity without living any of the (even to a casual observer) tenants.  "Thoughts and Prayers" from them are more like empty platitudes.  I tend to treat such with the same contempt as when they posture about gun control.  They are playing a role to serve themselves from other's pain.  Were Harvey Weinstein to offer thoughts and prayers I'd treat it as a bad joke.

I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: dogmush on February 27, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?   ;/  Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.

Strictly speaking "Allahu Akbar" is a prayer.  Folks don't seem to like that one much.   >:D
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 27, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
Oh, and what's with sending prayers "to" people? Prayers are traditionally "for" people, and "to" a deity.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Strings on February 27, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
The "thoughts and prayers as platitude" isn't just a Christian (or psuedo Christian) thing: pagans do it a LOT

And I eyeroll every single time
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2018, 03:30:46 PM

I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.

I think he's unapologetically Christian, though he doesn't seem to be "in your face" about it - he just doesn't hide it from Hollywood. He's also apparently big into hunting (so I assume guns) and doesn't hide that either. I saw he caught a bunch of flak for supporting one of the girl hunters who was getting ostracized on social media not that long ago.

Other than the fact that Mike Irwin doesn't like his acting, he seems to be a pretty good Joe.  :laugh:
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 27, 2018, 03:41:40 PM
I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pratt#Personal_life


I could think that was all it was if it weren't generally accompanied by "Your sky-god isn't doing anything!" and "It's the doctors, not the spaghetti monster, stupid."

There is that.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 27, 2018, 03:49:27 PM

Pratt has also been known to get political.

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmudd.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F05%2FNo-5.gif&hash=932018c258c4a4722fbbccd55999d84091d3a450)
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: grampster on February 27, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?   ;/  Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.

Muslim prayers usually are bang on effective.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on February 27, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
Obnoxious platitude, really meaning it, whatever, you still don't need to be nasty because someone said something nice (to you or to someone else)

People in this country seriously just lack good manners.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: freakazoid on February 28, 2018, 12:31:46 AM
I first started noticing the hate and snide remarks, and it just came pouring out, as soon as the guy shot up the church; the one where a neighbor with an AR15 stopped him. It was like these people were excited that it happened at a church.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: 230RN on February 28, 2018, 03:38:09 AM
I usually use...

"good energy sent" for non mortality issues,

and

"all sympathy and empathy" for the more serious issues.

Not hard and fast rules, variations are possible, and sometimes I pop out with something new.

I have used "thoughts and prayers" myself, though, if I either just woke up or I'm very tired.  I don't see anything wrong with it, regardless of the religious stance of the party sending the message.

Let's face it, even "goodbye" is derived from "G-d be with ye."  Or so I'm told, and nobody gets ruffled over that.

Terry

Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 28, 2018, 09:48:17 AM
Let's face it, even "goodbye" is derived from "G-d be with ye."  Or so I'm told, and nobody gets ruffled over that.

Terry


(Bad words warning)
https://youtu.be/ow6JSv_I1Oo?t=17s
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 28, 2018, 10:35:57 AM
Oh, and what's with sending prayers "to" people? Prayers are traditionally "for" people, and "to" a deity.

Picky, picky.

And people accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ...





(That said ... you are correct.)
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 28, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
Picky, picky.

And people accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ...





(That said ... you are correct.)


I don't think it's about grammar. It just means people aren't thinking about what the words mean, because they're (most of time) just nice words to say. They're not intending to actually pray to any god for anything.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 28, 2018, 12:34:00 PM

I don't think it's about grammar. It just means people aren't thinking about what the words mean, because they're (most of time) just nice words to say. They're not intending to actually pray to any god for anything.

Understood, Mate, but if people are just going to toss out words, they could at least toss out the correct words.

Personally, I don't like to use the expression "Prayers sent." To me it sounds hollow. Nonetheless, I have a list of people for whom I pray each and every night. Most of them don't know I do it, and probably never will. So be it.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: 230RN on February 28, 2018, 02:56:37 PM
Hawkmoon:
Quote
Understood, Mate, but if people are just going to toss out words, they could at least toss out the correct words.

I've been bitching about that for a while, what with the internet's tremendous capacity to promulgate errors.  At least with printed media, the chances are good that an actual paid editor has gone over it.   Otherwise we're headed toward a situation where every word can mean every other word.  Of course, that's an exaggeration for the sake of making a point.

But here I am replicating myself again.

Terry

Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: zxcvbob on February 28, 2018, 03:05:24 PM
Hawkmoon:
I've been bitching about that for a while, what with the internet's tremendous capacity to promulgate errors.  At least with printed media, the chances are good that an actual paid editor has gone over it.   Otherwise we're headed toward a situation where every word can mean every other word.

Of course, that's an exaggeration for the sake of making a point.  But I replicate myself.



I think that's called "Humpty-Dumptyism" :)
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: 230RN on February 28, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
I think that's called "Humpty-Dumptyism" :)

Yes.  It's organic, of curse.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: lee n. field on February 28, 2018, 08:12:56 PM
Obnoxious platitude, really meaning it, whatever, you still don't need to be nasty because someone said something nice (to you or to someone else)

People in this country seriously just lack good manners.

I think we're living in an increasingly crass age.  Maybe that's me turning into an old fart.

Re "thoughts and prayers", I only want to say it if I actually will, and I realize I probably won't.  So I don't.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 28, 2018, 10:13:46 PM
I think we're living in an increasingly crass age.  Maybe that's me turning into an old fart.

Re "thoughts and prayers", I only want to say it if I actually will, and I realize I probably won't.  So I don't.
That last is always what trips me up.  I don't like saying I am going to do something and not do it.  I would rather just say something else.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 01, 2018, 08:03:33 AM
Just wow.
Trump really said he’s ok with taking guns first, due process second.

Making my prediction that he signs anti gun legislation this year.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Pb on March 01, 2018, 09:37:29 AM
Just wow.
Trump really said he’s ok with taking guns first, due process second.


Trump has a typical so-called "conservative" hatred for the fourth Amendment.  He doesn't have much respect for rights in general, as we know from his enthusiastic support of eminent domain abuse.
Title: Re: More thoughts and prayer hate.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 01, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27730/kevin-smith-thanks-chris-pratt-praying-paul-bois

I think my favorite is when they freak out over t & p's about a school shooting, and say what we really need to do is pass some gun control blah-blah. 'Cuz speaking of things that don't work...