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Title: The police
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 03, 2018, 03:13:18 PM
... are the only people who are trained and qualified to carry firearms.

Or not ... https://www.nhregister.com/news/crime/article/FBI-agent-investigated-for-accidental-nightclub-12962907.php
Title: Re: The police
Post by: French G. on June 03, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
I'm the only one in this room professional enough to do the Carlton.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2018, 07:03:40 PM
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It discharged when the agent picked it up.

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Mile High Spirits Distillery and Tasting Bar

I am sure he was 100% sober.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 03, 2018, 07:29:43 PM
I'm the only one in this room professional enough to do the Carlton.

 :laugh:


Am I the only one who opened this thread half-expecting a discussion of Sting's old band?
Title: Re: The police
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2018, 09:28:30 PM
:laugh:


Am I the only one who opened this thread half-expecting a discussion of Sting's old band?
What?  You mean the actor? 

Title: Re: The police
Post by: HeroHog on June 03, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
:laugh:


Am I the only one who opened this thread half-expecting a discussion of Sting's old band?

No, I already had a snarky "Sting" joke in the chamber and the hammer back but ya beat me to it.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: just Warren on June 03, 2018, 09:36:00 PM
Frenetic Bullet Implanter.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: TommyGunn on June 03, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
So NOT his F. B. I.  anymore  ......  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Sindawe on June 03, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
Why, of all places did have to take place in Colorado?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The police
Post by: just Warren on June 03, 2018, 10:32:24 PM
So NOT his F. B. I.  anymore  ......  [tinfoil]

I met him when I was a young, stupid, and rude kid. Asked for his autograph in way he did not like and he schooled me on manners in front of a crowd.

It was an amazing moment, he didn't cure the stupidity but I paid a lot more attention to my manners from then on.

It was a brief encounter but it was one of the most formative of my life.

Good guy.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: sumpnz on June 04, 2018, 12:36:27 AM
Why, of all places did have to take place in Colorado?  :facepalm:

Florida would have been more in line with expectations.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: 230RN on June 04, 2018, 01:57:42 AM
Florida would have been more in line with expectations.

I have the sad duty to inform you that Colorado has turned blue and stupid, and will be even more blue after November.  When I first got here from New York City in the mid-60s, I was shocked at the freedom.

But freedom was nibbled at until now it is a mere long shadow cast from a setting sun.

Title: Re: The police
Post by: makattak on June 04, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
I have the sad duty to inform you that Colorado has turned blueand stupid, and will be even more blue after November.  When I first got here from New York City in the mid-60s, I was shocked at the freedom.

It was nibbled at until now it is a mere long shadow cast from a setting sun.

Locusts.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: 230RN on June 04, 2018, 09:02:50 AM
^ Good analogy.

I understand our subject Special Agent was doing a backflip when his gun fell out? It went off when he picked it up, that part is clear, but I'm not too familiar with modern pre-loaded double action handguns.

Could the fall have partially released the sear or something?  Or the safety on a cocked and locked 1911-style pistol?  

No offense to cocked and locked devotees, but I did have a shoulder rig which often flipped the safety off when you holstered the gun.  Very disconcerting to discover that.  No bang, just a "holy *expletive deleted*it."

I'm assuming it was an issue semiauto, and not something like an SAA with six rounds in it.  :O

Nevertheless, I'm thinking he violated the "keep your booger hook off the bang switch" rule.

Terry, 230RN

Title: Re: The police
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2018, 05:39:05 PM
^ Good analogy.

I understand our subject Special Agent was doing a backflip when his gun fell out? It went off when he picked it up, that part is clear, but I'm not too familiar with modern pre-loaded double action handguns.

Could the fall have partially released the sear or something?  Or the safety on a cocked and locked 1911-style pistol?  

No offense to cocked and locked devotees, but I did have a shoulder rig which often flipped the safety off when you holstered the gun.  Very disconcerting to discover that.  No bang, just a "holy *expletive deleted*it."

I'm assuming it was an issue semiauto, and not something like an SAA with six rounds in it.  :O

Nevertheless, I'm thinking he violated the "keep your booger hook off the bang switch" rule.

Terry, 230RN


I think the reports are saying that it was grabbed by the trigger.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Phantom Warrior on June 04, 2018, 06:48:31 PM
I agree with fistful.  CYA press releases or ignorant reporters are always saying "the gun went off" in the passive voice.  Like the gun has a mind of its own.  Nope.  The FBI has issued Glocks for the last 20 years or so.  Glocks have a drop safety.  Five gets you ten Agent Friendly picked it up with his finger on the trigger.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: TommyGunn on June 04, 2018, 07:20:20 PM
I met him when I was a young, stupid, and rude kid. Asked for his autograph in way he did not like and he schooled me on manners in front of a crowd.

It was an amazing moment, he didn't cure the stupidity but I paid a lot more attention to my manners from then on.

It was a brief encounter but it was one of the most formative of my life.

Good guy.


That fits a lot of what I heard about Mr. Zimbalist.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 13, 2018, 11:24:56 AM
Update: The FBI agent has been charged.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dancing-fbi-agent-booked-into-jail-over-back-flip-gunfire/

There's the possibility of additional charges, pending results of toxicology tests, and he still faces possible disciplinary sanctions from the feds.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Scout26 on June 13, 2018, 11:34:31 AM
^ Good analogy.

I understand our subject Special Agent was doing a backflip when his gun fell out? It went off when he picked it up, that part is clear, but I'm not too familiar with modern pre-loaded double action handguns.

Could the fall have partially released the sear or something?  Or the safety on a cocked and locked 1911-style pistol?  

No offense to cocked and locked devotees, but I did have a shoulder rig which often flipped the safety off when you holstered the gun.  Very disconcerting to discover that.  No bang, just a "holy *expletive deleted*it."

I'm assuming it was an issue semiauto, and not something like an SAA with six rounds in it.  :O

Nevertheless, I'm thinking he violated the "keep your booger hook off the bang switch" rule.

Terry, 230RN




It was a Glock, so no safety switch, other then the one on the trigger.  He pulled the go-bang switch with his booger hook, when he picked it up.  

Mad props though for doing a backflip with a Glock in the small of his back.  
Title: Re: The police
Post by: BobR on June 13, 2018, 11:36:29 AM
Update: The FBI agent has been charged. <snip>  and he still faces possible disciplinary sanctions from the feds.

Probably either send him to the Blackfeet Rez or the Navajo Rez. Either one would be punishment enough for nearly any wrongdoing up to murder.  =|


bob
Title: Re: The police
Post by: HankB on June 13, 2018, 06:31:49 PM
Update: The FBI agent has been charged.
Good.

He should face at least the same level of criminal charges John. Q. Public would face for the same action, in addition to departmental discipline.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: freakazoid on June 14, 2018, 02:02:39 AM



It was a Glock, so no safety switch, other then the one on the trigger.  He pulled the go-bang switch with his booger hook, when he picked it up.  

Mad props though for doing a backflip with a Glock in the small of his back.  

Standing backflip, while drunk. Not bad. [popcorn]
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 14, 2018, 02:09:21 AM
Standing backflip, while drunk. Not bad. [popcorn]

Followed by a fireworks display.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: MechAg94 on June 14, 2018, 09:40:42 AM
I thought one of the articles I saw said the FBI agent did not realize his gun had discharged when he picked it up.  The video I recall seeing looked like either that was true or he was trying to ignore it and hope no one got hit. 
Title: Re: The police
Post by: Pb on June 14, 2018, 10:25:01 AM
I thought one of the articles I saw said the FBI agent did not realize his gun had discharged when he picked it up. 

That sounds really unlikely.
Title: Re: The police
Post by: gunsmith on June 14, 2018, 12:15:05 PM
 my brother is a cop in the westchester ny area.
his agency prohibits carrying off duty if the officer is drinking.
he very rarely carries off duty because, you never know when a beer will need drinking.