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Title: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MillCreek on September 19, 2018, 05:05:17 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/cody-wilson-owner-3d-printed-gun-company-wanted/story?id=57933393

And then distribute the files?
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: French G. on September 19, 2018, 06:16:59 PM
My only question is this a legit pervert who prints guns or a very elegant takedown of someone who thumbed their nose at the man?
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 19, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
My only question is this a legit pervert who prints guns or a very elegant takedown of someone who thumbed their nose at the man?

That was my first thought.
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2018, 06:24:59 PM
The timing is very suspicious. I smell setup. My BS meter is bouncing off the end of the scale.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Scout26 on September 19, 2018, 06:27:31 PM
Yep, setup....
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on September 19, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
Reading the article, that's a *lot* of information, and a lot of very specific detail, for police to release during an active investigation.....  I mean, yeah, it's entirely possible this guy is a huge scumbag.  But my BS detector is ticking rather strongly into the red as well....
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: BobR on September 19, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
I am torn here, but, in order for it to happen as depicted he was an active member of SugarDaddyMeet.com or he went there looking for something, most likely. Either way it lessens the fact it was an elaborate cover up for me and more of a purposeful encounter. Really, SugarDaddyMeet, who knew things like this even existed? I guess since Craigslist took down their personals people have been forced to other venues.

bob
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Jim147 on September 19, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
You always pay for sex one way or another.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: brimic on September 19, 2018, 07:18:08 PM
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Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Strings on September 19, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Here's the thing: going to someone, and giving them $100 for a bj: illegal

Buying that same someone a $100 tennis bracelet, and them giving you a bj as a thank you: legal
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Devonai on September 19, 2018, 08:08:19 PM
Tennis bracelet?

 ???
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: brimic on September 19, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
Here's the thing: going to someone, and giving them $100 for a bj: illegal

Buying that same someone a $100 tennis bracelet, and them giving you a bj as a thank you: legal

Or pay them $100 to film the act, then it’s protected free speech.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MillCreek on September 19, 2018, 09:27:51 PM
Really, SugarDaddyMeet, who knew things like this even existed? I guess since Craigslist took down their personals people have been forced to other venues.

bob

A friend of mine is getting back into the dating pool after his divorce last year.  He says that with the demise of Craigslist and Backpage, all of the hookers moved to the dating sites.  He says at least half of the people he communicates with on Plenty of Fish and Match turn out to be women looking to be paid for sex and he has seen the same profiles with the same pictures and different names reappear after they are reported.  We both wondered if the fact that he is in his early 50's has anything to do with this.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
I'm open to "setup" from what I have read so far. Maybe the dude will end up being a sleaze, but my understanding of "sugar daddy" simply means a rich older guy who likes younger women and vice versa. The younger woman could be 18 or 38.

Maybe on that site it does imply "underage"? But that's not the common definition. Also, did I miss where she told him she was underage? From the legal perspective, how culpable is the guy if the girl lies about her age?
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MillCreek on September 19, 2018, 09:55:05 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/19/cody-wilson-gun-entrepreneur-accused-sex-with-minor-left-us-for-taiwan-officials-say.html

Mr. Wilson left the country for Taiwan and missed his return flight. Hmm.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Scout26 on September 20, 2018, 12:01:35 AM
This is just far to convenient and there are far too many details for it to be anything but a setup.

Him flying to Taiwan, does nothing to help things.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2018, 12:40:38 AM
I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.

Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?

Nice of the police officer to toss out the throw-away line that anyone looking at her would think she was less than 15, not older. Prejudicial statement, much? I want pictures. How can we assess the validity of that statement without seeing the pictures? But -- of course -- they can't release the pictures, because ... she's under-age.

SETUP!
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 20, 2018, 12:56:44 AM
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I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.

Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?

I'm not equating libertarianism with gun rights. I'm saying that both pro-gun conservatives and libertarians had reasons to sympathize with his gun projects. The last I heard, Wilson himself is a professed anarchist. (Also, I'm not of those who think libertarianism is a bad thing, nor am I in the habit of tempering my language for those who do.)

Regardless of what might be a "legitimate government interest," Wilson knows that paying for sex is currently illegal, and could easily endanger the gun rights human rights work he's put so much into. So - major fail.

No, I'm not saying that having sex with unpaid minors would be alright for Wilson to do. What I'm saying is that he might be mistaken about her age, but he couldn't have paid her accidentally. (Assuming he did pay her, but since he sourced her through a site called "SugarDaddy.com"...)
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Scout26 on September 20, 2018, 02:08:03 AM
Cougars.  Just as fun as that teenage hottie, but without the chances of going to jail and/or having to pay 18 years of child support...

Just sayin'....
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: lee n. field on September 20, 2018, 08:26:09 AM
Tennis bracelet?

 ???

Android ever-whimsical spell Czech.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: lee n. field on September 20, 2018, 08:28:39 AM
Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?


I'm not equating libertarianism with gun rights. I'm saying that both pro-gun conservatives and libertarians had reasons to sympathize with his gun projects. The last I heard, Wilson himself is a professed anarchist.

Anarchist.  I listened to him on a podcast a couple years back, discussing anarchist theory with the host.

Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: French G. on September 20, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
Cougars.  Just as fun as that teenage hottie, but without the chances of going to jail and/or having to pay 18 years of child support...

Just sayin'....

More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2018, 08:43:09 AM
Probably not a good idea to look to an anarchist for leadership on any issue.

We can be thankful for the stands and fights folks like him take on though, even support them when appropriate, without making them heroes.

We don’t want to emulate the left by lionizing and making into heroes men who are morally crippled.

Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Scout26 on September 20, 2018, 08:56:15 AM
More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.

The occasional bunny in the pot is a chance you just take sometimes....
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: brimic on September 20, 2018, 09:01:39 AM
More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.

Yes, they've had decades to refine their level of crazy.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MechAg94 on September 20, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
Sounds like he screwed up.  But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing. 
 
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2018, 08:14:23 PM
Sounds like he screwed up.  But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing. 
 

Which is why I can't help thinking it was a setup. Maybe not. If it was, he was dumb enough to walk into it.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MillCreek on September 23, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
After Mr. Wilson went to Taiwan, he was arrested there on a Houston warrant.  Mr. Wilson returned to the States and was booked into jail in Houston early Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Pb on September 25, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
It is my understanding that a girl lying about her age is no defense against statutory rape charges.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 25, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
It is my understanding that a girl lying about her age is no defense against statutory rape charges.

That's my understanding, as well, and that has never struck me as being right or fair. Are men supposed to card prospective sexual partners? What if the girl has a fake driver's license?

What happened to "We believe you?"
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: Pb on September 25, 2018, 05:08:50 PM
What if the girl has a fake driver's license?


Even if the girl has a fake ID the man is still guilty.  The prostitute that got Wilson used a fake ID to sign up for the Sugar Daddy page.  Doesn't matter to the law.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: MechAg94 on September 26, 2018, 04:11:01 PM
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/09/cody-wilson-resigns-from-defense-distributed-which-is-now-under-new-leadership/

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AUSTIN, Texas—Defense Distributed announced Tuesday that founder Cody Wilson had resigned from the company as of last Friday. The company is now under new leadership—Paloma Heindorff is taking over as director. Previously, Heindorff served as a vice president focused on development and operations during her three years with Defense Distributed.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: freakazoid on September 27, 2018, 06:52:08 AM
Sounds like he screwed up.  But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing. 
 

And the girl's friend warned him that he was being investigated. Definitely more going on than what they are letting on.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: dogmush on September 27, 2018, 07:44:04 AM
Seems pretty straight forward actually:

Girl uses fake ID to sign up for the website, and goes out and does the deed.

Either she was already talking to a therapist, or she starts going to, and shares the story of her foray into prostitution.

Therapist says some version of "You know I'm a mandatory reporter for underage sex crimes, right?  I have to call the cops now."

Girl didn't want any of that.

Therapist calls the cops.

Girl tries to contact the guy she wasn't trying to get arrested to warn him.

Drama ensues.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: De Selby on September 27, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
Seems pretty straight forward actually:

Girl uses fake ID to sign up for the website, and goes out and does the deed.

Either she was already talking to a therapist, or she starts going to, and shares the story of her foray into prostitution.

Therapist says some version of "You know I'm a mandatory reporter for underage sex crimes, right?  I have to call the cops now."

Girl didn't want any of that.

Therapist calls the cops.

Girl tries to contact the guy she wasn't trying to get arrested to warn him.

Drama ensues.

Yep
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: KD5NRH on September 28, 2018, 12:31:32 AM
Yep

What happened to the real De Selby?  He may be an infuriatingly consistent contrarian, but dammit, we're used to him.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: just Warren on September 28, 2018, 08:45:50 PM
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contrarian

?

I thought he was Australian.
Title: Re: Should you 3-D print a replacement for a teenage hooker?
Post by: bedlamite on September 29, 2018, 02:58:01 AM
What happened to the real De Selby?  He may be an infuriatingly consistent contrarian, but dammit, we're used to him.

They got to him. He's gone and they are using his account to watch you.  [tinfoil]