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Title: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 14, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
This stuff continues to spiral deeper into the crazy abyss.
Sell your *expletive deleted*ing product on it's merits and leave the preaching to the ministry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 14, 2019, 09:35:43 PM
I guess this approach would make sense if they were selling a new line of surgical blades in a Self-gelding KitTM.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 14, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
The problem is that their marketing people have determined that there's a large market out there made up of squishy, "woke" millennial types who actually believe this "toxic masculinity" stuff. The Brits are even targeting them in military recruiting.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Andiron on January 14, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Looks like I'm going to be shopping new razor blades. 

Sucks,  I've used mach 3's forever.

*expletive deleted*ing SJWs.  Stuff like this makes me think the reckoning can't happen soon enough.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: fifth_column on January 15, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
Looks like I'm going to be shopping new razor blades. 

Sucks,  I've used mach 3's forever.

*expletive deleted*ing SJWs.  Stuff like this makes me think the reckoning can't happen soon enough.

I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.
I was member for a year or so.  After accumulating a pile of blade packs, I shut it down.  Still have 2 or 3 packs of blades left a year or two later.  I am not sure if I will start back up with them after I am done or try something else.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2019, 10:24:33 AM
I am not responsible for the behavior of all men.  I refuse to accept group responsibility.  I doubt there is any point in addressing each item they talk about.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
While I have been wrong about this stuff before, this seems like a really stupid marketing move for Gillette. It seems to me that the majority of their "user base" is "average guys" who just shave because they have to, choose some disposable that works for them, and that's that. They are sports game on Saturdays, likely blue collar, and somewhat apolitical.

Hitting them with the "men are bad" thing is not going to endear them to Gillette. It's going to likely make them political enough to react in the way many of us do when we are nagged by the SJW scolds.

The kind of guy that will embrace this is a hipster beardy, or somebody that uses some classic or whatever hip shaving technique*, and they aren't buying Gillette products anyway.


*Full disclosure, I'm a safety razor  and once in a while straight razor guy myself. I just have a pretty much rest of my life supply Israeli blades, so will also never buy a Gillette razor or blades.  
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: castle key on January 15, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
I shall avoid this company's products as they are so restrictive and binary in their "gender" descriptions.

Any company that limits to two "genders" and fails to recognize the vast "gender" spectrum clearly demonstrates a closed minded attitude that I must take exception to.

I am so open minded about "gender" that I follow all Facebook "gender"  descriptions:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit

Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: TommyGunn on January 15, 2019, 11:39:52 AM
I'm not changing my razor brand because the company that makes them made an @$$hat marketing decision.......



..... it will only prompt the brand I switch to to make an even @$$hattier decision ...... [tinfoil] [popcorn]   :old: :old:
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: lee n. field on January 15, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
This stuff continues to spiral deeper into the crazy abyss.
Sell your *expletive deleted*ing product on it's merits and leave the preaching to the ministry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200)

Real toxically masculine men don't shave.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 15, 2019, 02:43:30 PM
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.

This. Get the shave butter too. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 15, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
Real toxically masculine men don't shave.

Damn straight! =D
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: makattak on January 15, 2019, 03:16:55 PM
I've been reading the SJW reaction and it really highlights their inability to have empathy for anyone not exactly like them. That they are unable to do simple things like replace "male" with "female" or "black" and see how it would be received.

"BUT all the ad is doing is saying don't do bad things! How is that offensive!"

"It's not talking about ALL men, it's just saying that some men do bad things!"

"If you're not doing that kind of stuff, the ad isn't talking about you!"

Ok, Ms. SJW, now do the same with an ad targeting black people.

Despite your beliefs, the normal American isn't a moron and he will recognize double standards and hypocrisy.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2019, 03:43:32 PM
I've been reading the SJW reaction and it really highlights their inability to have empathy for anyone not exactly like them. That they are unable to do simple things like replace "male" with "female" or "black" and see how it would be received.

"BUT all the ad is doing is saying don't do bad things! How is that offensive!"

"It's not talking about ALL men, it's just saying that some men do bad things!"

"If you're not doing that kind of stuff, the ad isn't talking about you!"

Ok, Ms. SJW, now do the same with an ad targeting black people.

Despite your beliefs, the normal American isn't a moron and he will recognize double standards and hypocrisy.
Agreed.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Andiron on January 15, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.

Going to have to give that a look.  My problem is a 20 pack from Sam's Club lasts me close to 18 months, so I've got a while to decide.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: lupinus on January 15, 2019, 06:15:54 PM
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

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Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2019, 06:25:10 PM
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Yeah, sorry, I watched it too and call me triggered, but if they mention "me too", that to me anymore equals "Kavanaughed", and that makes them the douches.

There are any number of ways they could have gotten across, "Ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth", but they chose the SJW way. Which actually spits in the face of men being raised to be honorable, because honorable = toxic masculinity in newspeak.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MikeB on January 15, 2019, 06:59:14 PM
I thought we all switched to DE razors years ago.  =)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 15, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

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Meh. I can see why a lot of guys would be offended. The message is pretty heavy handed and it paints the world as having more bad guys than good.

I'd say a series of ads, each addressing a different type of nasty behavior, slightly lighter in tone, would have gone over better. Have the good guy be the clean shaven hero and the bad guy is scruffy. Make your sale, send a message and you don't have to offend over half your customer base to do it. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 15, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ag5arw4muk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ag5arw4muk)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: zahc on January 15, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
This keeps happening all over. SJW types invade a company, think the world, (and their customer base) thinks like them, then they promulgate opinions that get them pats on the back from their own kind, but are so out of touch with their customer base that they don't realize they are biting the hand that feeds them. A great example is videogames. Videogame studios are being infiltrated by SJW types who think that their job is to police thoughts instead of make games that their target audience wants. So instead of making games that engage with the fantasies of their very distinctly male audience, they basically ruin the games. The SJW types aren't even the ones that are buying the games, so appeasing them wins the company nothing, it just drives off their actual customers, and the SJWs are emboldened and move on to screw up someone else. Like razor companies, apparently.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: RocketMan on January 15, 2019, 09:05:48 PM
Real toxically masculine men don't shave.

Real toxically masculine men pound their whiskers back in with a hammer and bite them off on the inside.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: RocketMan on January 15, 2019, 09:12:38 PM
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.

Gillette priced me out of being a customer many years ago, so the ad doesn't matter much in my case.  Reading about it online, it does sound like they've alienated over half their customer base.
I've been using Dollar Shave Club for several years now and found their blades to be pretty good.  I frequently get two weeks of shaves out of one of their blades.  Of course, I've managed to store enough blades at this point to last me for a couple of years.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: grampster on January 15, 2019, 09:15:31 PM
I am not responsible for the behavior of all men.  I refuse to accept group responsibility.  I doubt there is any point in addressing each item they talk about.

See, that's the thing.  The SJWs clump human critters into groups.  Individuality for them is a mortal sin.  That's why the Left/Progressive/Statist individuals are so dangerous to the Republic and Western Civilization in general.  They DO NOT accept individualism and the concept of individual liberty.  It's all about groups to them.  If anything is toxic it is the SJW religion.  The second problem is that not many people actually understand, or believe that about those individuals who have also clumped themselves into their own group, the SJW group.

As for Gillette, meh.  I use a Norelco wet/dry shaver in the shower.  I buy some throwaway shavers at the Dollar General.  I get about 6 or 8 of 'em for a dollar.  I get 4 or 5 shaves out of them when I use them now and then.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Andiron on January 15, 2019, 09:43:06 PM
Just wrote P&G a polite nastygram,  and attached my receipt to the Dollar Shave Club's starter pack.  For $5,  it's worth it as a tangible "*expletive deleted*ck you".  And I get new razor blades and shaving cream to try.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2019, 10:23:46 PM
I have been using Dollar Shave club 4 blade razor for at least a couple years.  My brother uses Harry's and I am thinking of trying them next.  We will see.  Gillette is out of the question.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2019, 10:26:20 PM
I have been using Dollar Shave club 4 blade razor for at least a couple years.  My brother uses Harry's and I am thinking of trying them next.  We will see.  Gillette is out of the question.

If you don't like what Gillette did, apparently Harry's doubled down on it. Just FYI.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
If you don't like what Gillette did, apparently Harry's doubled down on it. Just FYI.
I hadn't heard that.  I assume you mean the video here?  Was there more to it?  That video didn't seem to accuse all men of being jerks and preach about it like the other one did.  Of course, it didn't have anything to do with shaving either so it seems pointless as a commercial for Harry's. 

https://www.gq.com/story/this-shaving-commercial-will-make-you-weep?intcid=inline_amp

Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2019, 10:40:56 PM
I hadn't heard that.  I assume you mean the video here? 

Don't know, didn't see a video, just a mention regarding Harry's in one of the articles about Gillette.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: gunsmith on January 16, 2019, 12:03:55 AM
the best an incel can get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FILwhaFezec
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 16, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
On Harry's, apparently they had beat Gillette to the punch and put theirs out a year ago, but nobody noticed it until the Gillette kerfuffle.  :laugh:

Harry's has apparently pulled it.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/01/16/harrys-razors-deletes-tweet-calling-for-new-definition-of-masculinity/
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 16, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Dollar Shave Club was a little more realistic.

Quote
Dollar Shave Club

@DollarShaveClub
Replying to @ignorantusua11y
Take care of yourself. Respect others. Buy our stuff.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 16, 2019, 09:38:43 AM
I finally noticed this also.      :laugh:

Quote
Ricky Gervais

@rickygervais
 I used to love beating up kids at barbecues. Now I realise that is wrong. Also, my balls have never been smoother. Thanks, Gillette.

47K
4:21 AM - Jan 15, 2019
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Grebnaws on January 16, 2019, 10:27:00 AM
A men's shaving commercial that references The Young Turks. Well that effin' tears it. Makes me proud of my beard, as unenviable as it is.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ron on January 16, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
My morality is not derived from large corporations or TV commercials.

P&G will not be getting any money from me henceforth due to their stepping out of their lane and supporting progressive bull *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 16, 2019, 04:21:25 PM

https://babylonbee.com/news/gillette-now-including-free-manly-side-bag-with-every-purchase


http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/16/gillette-ad-waxes-nostalgic-fathers-left-yanked-boys-lives/

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Ironically, the concept of young men having confident, positive male role models is a conservative message and has been for a long time. It has been the progressive left and the media that encouraged several generations of young men to indulge their every desire outside of morality or social structures like marriage.

Both young men and women have been told for decades to sexually objectify themselves and consider their impulses sacred rights rather than denying themselves through responsible behaviors. The culture has downgraded marriage and the family to, at best, a comic annoyance one grows out of to, at worst, a repressive and unhealthy outdated concept that should be rejected. The obsession with celebrating single motherhood as an act of feminist self-determination and a society that views fathers suspiciously as optional caregivers has denied far too many males sufficient role models.

An overly sexualized media combined with an overly violent entertainment culture has left generations of boys growing up with only TV shows to guide them. Fathers have been largely neglected and are often only celebrated when denouncing masculinity and embracing feminism.

While the progressive scoffs at this line of reasoning and has for a very long time, the truth is everything they lecture us about proper male behavior today, they aggressively shamed out of society a generation ago. This is simply what happens when the father’s authority in family life is denounced, shamed, and cut out altogether.


https://ricochet.com/589015/gillette-is-not-wrong/

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There were a couple of undercurrents in the Gillette ad that suggested feminist influence – the term “toxic masculinity” should itself be toxic – but overall, the ad is pretty tame, even valuable. I have no idea if it’s the best way to sell razors, but as social commentary, it’s not offensive. “The Best Men Can Be” begins by showing men looking the other way as boys fight, shrugging “boys will be boys.” It shows men laughing at a comedy portraying a lout pantomiming a lunge at a woman’s behind. It shows kids teasing a boy for being a “freak” or a “sissy.” These are followed by more uplifting images of men breaking up fights, interfering with men who are harassing women, and being loving fathers to daughters. We hear a quote from former NFL star Terry Crews, saying “Men need to hold other men accountable.” These images didn’t strike me as a reproof of masculinity per se, but rather as a critique of bullying, boorishness, and sexual misconduct.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 16, 2019, 05:48:04 PM
While I recognize that a lot of people see the Gillette (and similar) ads as not a big deal, here's my problems with them:

They presume me (all men) to have already committed a transgression. Not particular men - all men. Harvey Weinstein does something and I'm guilty by gender association. I need to "do better". I need to "be better".

Maybe it's my own social surroundings, but whenever I hear or have heard "be better" being used, I take it as a negative statement: "You're a bad person and you need to be better". It assumes bad behavior (or lack of good behavior) and scolds us to "do a better job". Statements like Gillette is making assume this guilt by association. Some men did something bad, so all men have to face some consequences and all men have to apologize.

Melania Trump has the "be best" campaign that everyone makes fun of. While the phrase is a bit clunky, I read it as "be your best". This is (again, based on my own upbringing and social surroundings) a positive phrase. It does not assume I have done something wrong that I need to atone for. It assumes that I'm already trying to do good (or at least doesn't assume I need some kind of correction), and just tells me to be the best I can be every day.

Be honorable. Tell the truth. Be your best. These are things that "toxic masculinity" has been teaching us for literally thousands of years. Gillette could have easily gone with "Be your best" or "Be the best man you can be" and left it at that. They didn't need to drop "me too" and other "bad behavior" references into the ad. Of course I guess that would have contributed to the "toxic masculinity".

I think zahc hit the nail on the head in his post above regarding who/what drives much of this nonsense.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: 230RN on January 16, 2019, 08:33:19 PM
Ben spake:

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...

They presume me (all men) to have already committed a transgression. Not particular men - all men. Harvey Weinstein does something and I'm guilty by gender association. I need to "do better". I need to "be better".

...

Statements like Gillette is making assume this guilt by association. Some men did something bad, so all men have to face some consequences and all men have to apologize.
...

Gee.

Gender "Original Sin."
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2019, 09:10:53 AM
Do as we say, not as we do:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxEwzMaUUAEkvcu.jpg)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 17, 2019, 10:18:06 AM
I heard this talked about on the radio this morning.  A guy name Dan Schick called in to let them know there are other razor brands that are already sold in stores.   =)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 17, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
While I recognize that a lot of people see the Gillette (and similar) ads as not a big deal, here's my problems with them:

They presume me (all men) to have already committed a transgression. Not particular men - all men. Harvey Weinstein does something and I'm guilty by gender association. I need to "do better". I need to "be better".

Maybe it's my own social surroundings, but whenever I hear or have heard "be better" being used, I take it as a negative statement: "You're a bad person and you need to be better". It assumes bad behavior (or lack of good behavior) and scolds us to "do a better job". Statements like Gillette is making assume this guilt by association. Some men did something bad, so all men have to face some consequences and all men have to apologize.

Melania Trump has the "be best" campaign that everyone makes fun of. While the phrase is a bit clunky, I read it as "be your best". This is (again, based on my own upbringing and social surroundings) a positive phrase. It does not assume I have done something wrong that I need to atone for. It assumes that I'm already trying to do good (or at least doesn't assume I need some kind of correction), and just tells me to be the best I can be every day.

Be honorable. Tell the truth. Be your best. These are things that "toxic masculinity" has been teaching us for literally thousands of years. Gillette could have easily gone with "Be your best" or "Be the best man you can be" and left it at that. They didn't need to drop "me too" and other "bad behavior" references into the ad. Of course I guess that would have contributed to the "toxic masculinity".

I think zahc hit the nail on the head in his post above regarding who/what drives much of this nonsense.
Well said. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Andiron on January 17, 2019, 04:47:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDs84E3BQI&feature=youtu.be&t=0m0s

Stefan Molyneux did a nice job of taking that one apart.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 17, 2019, 09:52:15 PM
PETA gets in on the Masculinity Ad craze. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL38scvWFno

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: TommyGunn on January 17, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
We need another extinction level event after that ..... :facepalm:
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: zxcvbob on January 18, 2019, 01:32:28 AM
I have a Gillette razor, but it's about 80 years old.  Generally I use a 40-something year old Schick razor because I like it better.  (they are both good)  I think the 100-count box of Astra blades that I bought 5 years ago might be a lifetime supply because I don't change them that often.  If I do need more, I'll buy another box of Astra or Feather blades, not Gillette.

It still pisses me off when a company says FU to its customers.  (the men who actually appreciate the ad probably don't buy razors)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2019, 08:46:51 AM
I thought this was an excellent response (by a woman) to the ad and why it bothered so many of us:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-people-bothered-by-the-Gillette-advert/answer/Kristine-Carlson?ch=1&share=bd7af8c0&srid=2IOe
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2019, 11:18:41 AM
Also, if you disagree with the Gillette ad, you are apparently a bot.

Quote
Democratic Coalition

@TheDemCoalition
Replying to @AOC

We are looking into it further, but a lot of that opposition seems to be bots and trolls, led by GOPers. They’ve tried this tactic with companies for years now. Take a look at the Keurig Hannity “controversy.” The only legit boycotts have come from The Resistance.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 18, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
I thought this was an excellent response (by a woman) to the ad and why it bothered so many of us:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-people-bothered-by-the-Gillette-advert/answer/Kristine-Carlson?ch=1&share=bd7af8c0&srid=2IOe

And from that rebuttal, the key point (that Gillette overlooks completely):

Quote
Because real men treat other people with respect.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 18, 2019, 02:42:32 PM
Also, if you disagree with the Gillette ad, you are apparently a bot.

That does seem to be the new common excuse when things like this happen. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
That does seem to be the new common excuse when things like this happen. 

And not just any bot. Bots are always either Ruskie or conservative. There are apparently no commie or democrat (but I repeat myself) bots.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MillCreek on January 18, 2019, 03:04:52 PM
I thought this was an excellent response (by a woman) to the ad and why it bothered so many of us:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-people-bothered-by-the-Gillette-advert/answer/Kristine-Carlson?ch=1&share=bd7af8c0&srid=2IOe

Very good response. And as a fellow chemist and former Texas Instruments 99/4a owner, I approve.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ron on January 18, 2019, 05:16:07 PM
Another good article


https://local.theonion.com/woman-didn-t-know-progress-on-toxic-masculinity-would-t-1831869468?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2019, 07:15:17 PM
No great shocker I guess, but the person in charge of the ad is a raging feminist:

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2019/01/18/shock-the-gillette-toxic-masculinity-video-created-by-feminist-ad-executives/
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 18, 2019, 07:43:30 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dad-children-pose-family-photo-carrying-guns-hey-gillette-offend-200917178.html

"Hey Gillette, does this offend you?"

(https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/bGt9DDtVAwB8fQc2Ei2U.w--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/43042386e85d4aa953a3fd2b2c345aec)
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Regolith on January 18, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dad-children-pose-family-photo-carrying-guns-hey-gillette-offend-200917178.html

"Hey Gillette, does this offend you?"

(https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/bGt9DDtVAwB8fQc2Ei2U.w--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/43042386e85d4aa953a3fd2b2c345aec)


This offends me greatly.

How come no gun for the little girl?  :mad:



Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Bob F. on January 20, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
Confession: haven't read all the posts, but....

Switched to double edge safety razor over a year ago. I have a short, full beard and only shave around the edges a couple times a week. Got a pack of Feather blades then and some cheap dorco blades from Walmart. Still have over half of each left. First time I used the Feathers I actually checked to see if I'd really put a blade in. Shaving has turned from a chore to an ritual

Tried to copy and paste the chicks in the latex catsuits with "Gillette" across the butt.


Check out West Coast Shaving. I've no financial interest in them.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 20, 2019, 05:57:33 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dad-children-pose-family-photo-carrying-guns-hey-gillette-offend-200917178.html

"Hey Gillette, does this offend you?"

(https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/bGt9DDtVAwB8fQc2Ei2U.w--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/43042386e85d4aa953a3fd2b2c345aec)



If that guy wants to take a picture of him and his kids looking butch with their guns, that's fine. Seems pretty silly as a response to Gillette, though.

Actually, people posing with guns like that has always looked silly to me. "Look at me. I can hold a gun." I knew an old guy that insisted on posing with his revolver for every family photo. Or any photo, at all.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Andiron on January 20, 2019, 10:21:45 PM
Responses have varying degrees of legitmacy,  but I'm still on the *expletive deleted*ck P&G and their harpy feminist marketing person.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 21, 2019, 07:38:38 AM
This offends me greatly.

How come no gun for the little girl?  :mad:





Because they're dangerous and can't be trusted  =D

Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Calumus on January 21, 2019, 06:45:43 PM
This offends me greatly.

How come no gun for the little girl?  :mad:

Convicted felon maybe?
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: zxcvbob on January 21, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Concealed means concealed.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 21, 2019, 07:25:26 PM
Concealed means concealed.
It's a trap. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: 230RN on January 22, 2019, 06:11:33 AM
[paraquote]
Actually, people posing with guns cars  like that has always looked silly to me. "Look at me. I can hold a gun own a car." I knew an old guy that insisted on posing with his revolver Pierce-Arrow for every family photo. Or any photo, at all.
[/paraquote]

Meh.  Pride of possession.  Basically a legitimate feeling... or at least a nearly universal feeling.

Guy probably had the picture sitting around for a while and figured it would be good to publish it as a stick it to Gillette thing.  I like to think an armed spouse took the picture.

I thought it was cute that the little girl was standing between her protective brothers.  That perhaps being the point of the picture: protection being one of the functions of masculinity.

That's why we're bigger and more growly.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 22, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
I just liked the adorable smile on the little girl next to the serious looks on the boy's faces.   =D
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Pb on January 22, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
I just liked the adorable smile on the little girl next to the serious looks on the boy's faces.   =D

Yeah... awesome picture!

Girl needs a gun though.  I've promised my daughter the 12 gauge hunting shotgun I got from my grandfather.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2019, 12:27:15 PM
Yeah, okay, so this is a shaving ad I can get behind. Even though I use a brush, I might have to buy a can of Barbasol just because. :)

Watch and learn, Gillette:

https://youtu.be/CzC47F1DTO8
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Blakenzy on January 22, 2019, 10:08:18 PM
I enjoyed this  :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzpx9VX9hoI

Prof. Tosspot FTW
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: 230RN on January 23, 2019, 07:45:30 AM
I can think of a couple of toxic feminism things.  Temperance movement... Suffrage movement...
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: dogmush on January 23, 2019, 08:57:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kvK6nen8k&spfreload=10

Ranger Up tries to participate in a woke ad
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2019, 09:04:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kvK6nen8k&spfreload=10

Ranger Up tries to participate in a woke ad

"That's what she said!!!"

 :rofl:
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on January 23, 2019, 04:23:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8VpuLSkHY
Here is parody of the Gillette ad.   =D
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: 230RN on January 24, 2019, 12:58:00 AM
A BIT OF POESY REGARDING THE INFAMOUS GILLETTE AD AND CERTAIN OTHER EXAMPLES OF TOXIC FEMINISM

Sequence of small signs by the road about 100 yards apart:

Quote
When the girls get too self-righteous

Quote
And they over-guess their mighteous

Quote
And their lady parts get all tighteous

Quote
They wonder why the boys feel fighteous

Quote
Burma Shave

Terry, 230RN

REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma-Shave

Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: zxcvbob on January 24, 2019, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Terry
When the girls get too self-righteous

And they over-guess their mighteous

And their lady parts get all tighteous

They wonder why the boys feel fighteous

Burma Shave

(https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/media/smileys-applause-236634.68491/full?d=1511272278)

Did you write that yourself?  it's good!  (we have a poet in our midst)  Not being sarcastic, I'm really impressed.

Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: 230RN on January 25, 2019, 09:24:28 AM
(https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/media/smileys-applause-236634.68491/full?d=1511272278)

Did you write that yourself?  it's good!  (we have a poet in our midst)  Not being sarcastic, I'm really impressed.



Thanks, yeah I wrote it.  I sometimes dabble in rhymery.  Took about twenty centons, could still use a slight polishing*.  Not copyighted, distribute at will.  "I got a million of 'em."

(Circa 1950:  Whenever my Pop found a new set of Burma-Shave road signs, he'd take us out of our way on our weekend jaunts to show them to us. That used to annoy Mom.)

Terry, 230RN

* Either eliminate "all" in the third line or transpose "get all" to "all get."  Can't decide.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: freakazoid on January 25, 2019, 02:43:51 PM
Here's something rather interesting about a discovered piece cut out from the ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJdSq16cnI
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cCiNc2h9cI
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 07, 2019, 08:00:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cCiNc2h9cI

Cute, but I still like the Barbasol ad better.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: MechAg94 on February 08, 2019, 03:26:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhrVZyOBmvQ

A little bit of a parody of the original ad.  Probably not safe for work due to language. 
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: WLJ on May 27, 2019, 11:37:42 AM
But wait, there's more.

Here We Go Again: Now Gillette Is Featuring a Transgender Man Shaving For the First Time
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/05/27/gillette-ad-n2546917

New Gillette ad shows father teaching his TRANSGENDER son how to shave...
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1132758719467536386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Doggy Daddy on May 27, 2019, 12:18:52 PM
But wait, there's more.

Here We Go Again: Now Gillette Is Featuring a Transgender Man Shaving For the First Time
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/05/27/gillette-ad-n2546917

New Gillette ad shows father teaching his TRANSGENDER son how to shave...
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1132758719467536386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Well, I guess they're just carving out their own little niche of the market.
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: WLJ on May 27, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
Well, I guess they're just carving shaving out their own little niche of the market.

FIFY
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: Doggy Daddy on May 27, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
Well, I guess they're just carving out their own little niche of the market.

FIFY

I appreciate the help, but the last time I used a Gillette it was actually more of a "carve".   =|
Title: Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
Post by: WLJ on May 27, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
I appreciate the help, but the last time I used a Gillette it was actually more of a "carve".   =|

Ouch!