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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on January 20, 2019, 09:10:20 AM
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An excellent example of why you wait till you have all the facts:
Yesterday some of you may have seen news on the "incident" in DC where some Catholic school kids in MAGA hats were taunting a native American who was minding his own business. Even the "conservative" news sites ran those kids through the ringer. From what I read, I thought they were jerks who needed to be expelled.
Twitchy (who also attacked the kids yesterday) now has a link up with what actually happened. The kids were minding their own business doing their school chant (not "build the wall") when the Indians walked into the middle of them beating drums. The MAGA hat kid didn't say a word. He just stood there with a "what do I do?" hesitant smile on his face while the old guy (with a long activist history) got in the kid's face, not the other way around.
Also, scroll down to the video of the "African Israelites", who were attacking both the Indians and the white kids using foul, racist language. Nobody reported on that. The MSM basically accused the kids of doing what the "African Israelites" actually did.
This has been a big weekend for "fake news". While I figured there was more to the Buzzfeed thing (because sucky Buzzfeed), I fell for this attack on the Catholic kids. Had there not been "alternative news" reporting and Twitter actually being used for good by showing unedited video, I would have been part of the tar and feather mob running these kids out of town.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/01/20/more-media-lies-looks-like-theres-a-whole-lot-more-to-story-about-catholic-students-harassing-native-american-protester/
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Here is the AP article:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/diocese-investigates-after-students-mock-native-american/
Is Twitchy now the beacon for unbiased news?
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Is Twitchy now the beacon for unbiased news?
No, but unedited video is.
Also from your linked article:
Videos circulating online show a youth staring at and standing extremely close to Nathan Phillips, a 64-year-old Native American man singing and playing a drum.
That makes it sound like the kid got in the indian's face. It was the other way around. The kid was standing there and the Indian walked right up to him. So the kid is guilty for not cowering, bowing his head, and stepping away?
Certainly the AP is not unbiased.
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Guilty until proven innocent!
Two weeks from now a correction will be published/buried and all anyone will remember is YOUNG WHITE MALE CHRISTIAN RACISTS MAKE MINORITY MAN CRY!!!
Any stirring of, or advocacy of heritage culture by any Caucasians will be condemned as insensitive and racist.
We joke about “Orange man bad” but more and more the reality of the media narrative is “White man bad”.
It’s almost like they are trying to provoke conflict ...
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It’s almost like they are trying to provoke conflict ...
What makes you think they're not?
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Bwahahah.... We have such sights to show you.
Behold, the Black Israelites
https://youtu.be/wPLP8B5G3-I
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Bwahahah.... We have such sights to show you.
Behold, the Black Israelites
https://youtu.be/wPLP8B5G3-I
The whole Black Israelites thing is a new one on me.
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The whole Black Israelites thing is a new one on me.
The Egyptians who built the pyramids were black and it has been discovered recently that Britain’s first inhabitants were black.
At least that is what they say ;/
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The Egyptians who built the pyramids were black and it has been discovered recently that Britain’s first inhabitants were black.
At least that is what they say ;/
Along with every famous person who ever lived apparently.
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The Egyptians who built the pyramids were black and it has been discovered recently that Britain’s first inhabitants were black.
At least that is what they say ;/
Cleopatra was black, too . . . the records that claim she was Greek - specifically, Macedonian Greek - are all forgeries made by white supremacists some 2000 years ago.
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Just as cooked as the most recent Buzzfeed horseshit.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing two Hulk Hogan-esque lawsuits.
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Media starting to back away from the phony bologna narrative.
https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video
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the black isrealites/hebrews have been around for awhile.
they're such a pain in the neck even our traditional enemies know the truth.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2012/06/12/leader-black-hebrew-sect-pleads-guilty-killing-4-year-old
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I always thought the Black Hebrews were just trolls trying to convince white-guilted trust fund kids to kiss their shoes for yootoob ratings. >:D
Reminds me of the whack job stuff one of my coworkers is involved in, called Moorish Americans, which is a slightly kookier black version of white separatist sovereign citizens. He’ll end up in jail yet for tax evasion.
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Media starting to back away from the phony bologna narrative.
https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video
It’s too late. Will be hearing about this as an example of Orange Man Bad, Catholics Bad(this one at moments I agree with, but more with Catholic leadership and not related to this incident), white racism, etc. for the rest of time. All those who saw this as a blurb on the evening news will never hear a correction. Those who posted it to sites like Facebook will never post a correction. CNN was still running with the original story at least a few hours ago.
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Also from what I’ve seen from where news sites that have posted corrections, people who are heavily invested in their hatred aren’t changing their minds after seeing the corrections/retractions by news sources.
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Also from what I’ve seen from where news sites that have posted corrections, people who are heavily invested in their hatred aren’t changing their minds after seeing the corrections/retractions by news sources.
I believe the proper libshit term is "we started a conversation".
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I believe the proper libshit term is "we started a conversation".
:laugh: Too true.
Some of what those black He-brothers were saying sounds similar to the Nation of Islam alternative history bosh. They believe the biblical Jacob was a black scientist/wizard, who created the mongrel race of Jews and/or whites.
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CBS expanded on the story this morning, but also gave an interview with Drum Man that allowed him to put his (significant) spin on the event, without a rebuttal.
:facepalm:
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I believe the proper libshit term is "we started a conversation".
Indeed. And I will actually apply that across the political spectrum, at least on the social media. This is another good point as to why I think the Twitters and Facebooks have become more evil than good. People threw their hate on these kids based on false information, and they did so on platforms where thousands or hundreds of thousands of people saw it.
They threw out a strong opinion on something that turned out to be mostly false - opinions that "everybody" saw. Now they (because human nature) have to somehow defend themselves from looking wrong in front of all those people, because sincere apologies are too hard. It's easier to apologize and "look like a fool" on APS ( I have done this at least a few times here :laugh: ) in front of dozens, than to do so on a platform where "everybody" sees that you were wrong.
Had this not been "immediate news" thanks to an edited social media video, you wouldn't have all these people covering their tracks. Of course I care less about these people trying to save face than I do about the death threats that are now pouring in for the one kid and his family.
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Just another reason why I find myself tuning into old episodes of Welcome to Nightvale, instead of listening to the "real" news.
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The propaganda used to be subtle, a gentle “spin” on the facts. Framing the narrative to allow alternative interpretations of events without overtly taking a side.
Now, they just lie to our faces, ignoring reality, telling us the exact opposite of reality.
All corporate mass media production is lies, always has been. It’s just more overt now.
Even the rights so called allies in media have their own agendas.
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The only way for these kids to clear their name is going to be a massive libel lawsuit after the dust settles. I'm not sure exactly against whom; there are so many targets.
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We are living in two separate perceptions of reality.
The drummer guy probably actually believes his story.
Without the video his testimony would have been unimpeachable.
Even with video the left still sees something other than what the raw video(s) shows.
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We are living in two separate perceptions of reality.
The drummer guy probably actually believes his story.
Without the video his testimony would have been unimpeachable.
Even with video the left still sees something other than what the raw video(s) shows.
These are the same tactics used by BLM writ large.
Show video of person being tackled/shot by police, but edit out everything done by the perp leading up to the 'racist police brutality.'
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It’s too late. Will be hearing about this as an example of Orange Man Bad, Catholics Bad(this one at moments I agree with, but more with Catholic leadership and not related to this incident), white racism, etc. for the rest of time. All those who saw this as a blurb on the evening news will never hear a correction. Those who posted it to sites like Facebook will never post a correction. CNN was still running with the original story at least a few hours ago.
I note that the Catholic leadership immediately threw the kids under the bus. Including their own school.
(I have deleted several times a comment I wanted to make about Catholics and screwing teen boys, as it is just hateful. However, these "leaders" have completely failed to fulfill their duty to protect those in their care and instead threw them to the wolves. That makes me seriously angry.)
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Interestingly a spokesman for one of the other Indian tribes there, who was more sympathetic to the kids (note, again, that the "drummer" has a long activist history), still felt he needed to "step in to educate" because he said he saw some of the kids doing a "Maori dance".
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Interestingly a spokesman for one of the other Indian tribes there, who was more sympathetic to the kids (note, again, that the "drummer" has a long activist history), still felt he needed to "step in to educate" because he said he saw some of the kids doing a "Maori dance".
So being native american makes him an expert and a spokesperson for polynesians?
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I note that the Catholic leadership immediately threw the kids under the bus. Including their own school.
The speed with which they assumed student guilt was appalling and truly despicable.
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The whole Black Israelites thing is a new one on me.
DAS RIGHT!
If you start the Mr Metokur safari, it will lead to some truly *expletive deleted*ed up places, but it always entertains. The internet insanity series was good.
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The speed with which they assumed student guilt was appalling and truly despicable.
And again, as I pointed out in my OP, almost everybody assumed guilt in the first hours. After reading through a political cross-section of initial stories, so did I. I've also jumped to conclusions when some conservative site released some edited video or statement that made a liberal look awful (because take that stupid SJWs!), only to later (often less than 24 hours) find everything was taken out of context.
This is the evil power of these social media video snippets, and it's only getting worse.
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https://ricochet.com/590156/what-a-weekend-for-media-accuracy/
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The Egyptians who built the pyramids were black and it has been discovered recently that Britain’s first inhabitants were black.
At least that is what they say ;/
The Egyptians who built the pyramids were Egyptians. They had black slaves who worked rough labor, more so in the later dynasties.
Sorta think that England inhabitants being originally black may be inaccurate .... I'm not sure the Romans noticed any blacks there at their time, but I could be wrong.
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Media posts from latest to oldest:
Verified Leftist Calls For MAGA Kids to be ‘Fired On’, School Burned Down
https://www.infowars.com/verified-leftist-calls-for-maga-kids-to-be-fired-on-school-burned-down/
Journalists and Celebs Rush to Delete Tweets Slamming MAGA-Hat Kids
https://www.mediaite.com/online/journalists-and-celebs-rush-to-delete-tweets-slamming-maga-hat-kids/
The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran
https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video
Catholic Teen Responds: “I Will Not Stand for this Mob-like Character Assassination of my Family’s Name”
https://www.toddstarnes.com/campus/catholic-teen-responds-i-will-not-stand-for-this-mob-like-character-assassination-of-my-familys-name
Looks like there’s a whole lot MORE to story about Catholic students ‘harassing’ Native American protester
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/01/20/more-media-lies-looks-like-theres-a-whole-lot-more-to-story-about-catholic-students-harassing-native-american-protester
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How old is Nathan Philips? Is he really old enough to have been a Vietnam vet? I'm almost 60, and I'm not old enough. He kinda looks about the same age as me, just a lot more weather-worn. But he could be 70...
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How old is Nathan Philips? Is he really old enough to have been a Vietnam vet? I'm almost 60, and I'm not old enough. He kinda looks about the same age as me, just a lot more weather-worn. But he could be 70...
67. There's stories on this now. It appears we pulled out a year before he enlisted. He seems to be now implying he is a "Vietnam era vet", which seems like kind of a dis to Vietnam combat vets.
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The Egyptians who built the pyramids were Egyptians. They had black slaves who worked rough labor, more so in the later dynasties.
Sorta think that England inhabitants being originally black may be inaccurate .... I'm not sure the Romans noticed any blacks there at their time, but I could be wrong.
I thought there were reports of blue Brits, but I don't know about Black ones.
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67. There's stories on this now. It appears we pulled out a year before he enlisted. He seems to be now implying he is a "Vietnam era vet", which seems like kind of a dis to Vietnam combat vets.
The VA calls me a "Gulf War Era" veteran even though I enlisted in 2005. I never could figure that one out.
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The VA calls me a "Gulf War Era" veteran even though I enlisted in 2005. I never could figure that one out.
I guess context has a lot to do with it, but those of you who wore the uniform are better qualified to pipe up than me.
I can see someone being referred to as a "Gulf War Era Veteran" or a "Vietnam Era Veteran" if they served in those time frames. I think the sticking point is if someone attempts to use that phrase to infer that they were in a combat zone when in fact they were in a stateside billet the entire time.
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67. There's stories on this now. It appears we pulled out a year before he enlisted. He seems to be now implying he is a "Vietnam era vet", which seems like kind of a dis to Vietnam combat vets.
I think the picture is becoming clear that whatever service he may or may not have performed, he's a lying agitator (including about what his services was, if he did serve), attempting to smear and lead the character assassination of high school kids.
For having the temerity to wear hats.
But DEFINITELY take his word against that of all the boys AND video evidence. He's clearly more trustworthy than my own lying eyes.
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I guess context has a lot to do with it, but those of you who wore the uniform are better qualified to pipe up than me.
I can see someone being referred to as a "Gulf War Era Veteran" or a "Vietnam Era Veteran" if they served in those time frames. I think the sticking point is if someone attempts to use that phrase to infer that they were in a combat zone when in fact they were in a stateside billet the entire time.
That's the way I see it. I enlisted in 1971, early enough to be in country during Vietnam but instead I was assigned to a carrier out of Norfolk and spent 3 years enjoying all that the Med had to offer. I consider myself as Vietnam Era vet, not a VN vet. I use my age as a barometer when people tell me they are VN vets. I went in at 17 1/2 so if they are younger than me they are most likely not telling the truth. But I am sure there are a few my age or younger that *may* have been in country. Following boot camp, advanced training and all of the leaves in between I reported to my first duty station in July of 1972. With the last combat troops being pulled out in Mar of 1973 I doubt very many who joined when I did made it in county as a combat troop.
bob
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I was off work and on the book of faces off and on all day Sunday. The SJW outrage dominated the newsfeed.
Popped on there this morning and again this afternoon.
“Crickets”
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I think the picture is becoming clear that whatever service he may or may not have performed, he's a lying agitator (including about what his services was, if he did serve), attempting to smear and lead the character assassination of high school kids.
For having the temerity to wear hats.
But DEFINITELY take his word against that of all the boys AND video evidence. He's clearly more trustworthy than my own lying eyes.
White man video speak with forked tongue.
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The "Vietnam Era" runs up to the time of the Mayaguez incident of May 12–15, 1975. It is generally considered to be the last official battle of the Vietnam war.
If a service member served at least 180 days on active duty prior to May 15, 1975, they are considered a Vietnam Era veteran.
To be an actual Vietnam veteran requires that you actually set foot in-country as far as I understand it. I don't know if there are any minimum time in-country requirements.
I am a Vietnam Era veteran, but not a Vietnam veteran, and would never claim to be one.
I will however, proudly claim to be a drunken-liberty-on-the-Gold Coast, New South Wales, Australia, veteran.
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That's the way I see it. I enlisted in 1971, early enough to be in country during Vietnam but instead I was assigned to a carrier out of Norfolk and spent 3 years enjoying all that the Med had to offer. I consider myself as Vietnam Era vet, not a VN vet. I use my age as a barometer when people tell me they are VN vets. I went in at 17 1/2 so if they are younger than me they are most likely not telling the truth. But I am sure there are a few my age or younger that *may* have been in country. Following boot camp, advanced training and all of the leaves in between I reported to my first duty station in July of 1972. With the last combat troops being pulled out in Mar of 1973 I doubt very many who joined when I did made it in county as a combat troop.
bob
I'm a few years younger than you, missed both the draft and the Vietnam war, and yet I've talked to people (at gun shows!) appreciably younger than I am who were secret Green Barays/SEELS/Komandos (bad spelling intended) doing super secret black ops in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos during the Vietnam War.
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https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/01/21/38181376/i-thought-the-maga-boys-were-*expletive deleted*it-eating-monsters-then-i-watched-the-full-video
An interesting article from a very liberal paper in Seattle. The author agrees with the premise that watching the longer videos give a very different picture. The Black Hebrew Israelites sound like a piece of work: the black equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Unbiased reporter Soledad O'Brian (is she Beto's sister?) is now saying that the unedited video is still bunk and that the kids were doing racist "tomahawk chops". There was another video snippet to "prove" this, but for the life of me, I couldn't see it. Best I could see, if I had to make something up like she did, was maybe doing a fist pump or something in time to the drumbeat.
Kathy Griffin is still calling for a full doxxing of all the kids. There are also still plenty of grown men stating they want to "beat the *expletive deleted*it" out of minors, and still plenty of calls for them to be shot. I saw on Twitchy some Muslim activist said he wanted to punch the one kid in the face, and someone reported him to Twitter. The guy posted Twitter's email or tweet or whatever to him informing him of the investigation and telling him he did nothing wrong. Apparently somebody else that called him a jerk or similar for threatening to punch the kid, was in fact suspended for breaking Twitter rules.
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Unbiased reporter Soledad O'Brian (is she Beto's sister?) is now saying that the unedited video is still bunk and that the kids were doing racist "tomahawk chops". There was another video snippet to "prove" this, but for the life of me, I couldn't see it. Best I could see, if I had to make something up like she did, was maybe doing a fist pump or something in time to the drumbeat.
Kathy Griffin is still calling for a full doxxing of all the kids. There are also still plenty of grown men stating they want to "beat the *expletive deleted*it" out of minors, and still plenty of calls for them to be shot. I saw on Twitchy some Muslim activist said he wanted to punch the one kid in the face, and someone reported him to Twitter. The guy posted Twitter's email or tweet or whatever to him informing him of the investigation and telling him he did nothing wrong. Apparently somebody else that called him a jerk or similar for threatening to punch the kid, was in fact suspended for breaking Twitter rules.
I follow a couple of police officers on Twitter simply because the work stories are entertaining. One of them liked a tweet by another cop saying he thought the kid should be punched. Later he didn't retract it, but said he still thought that. The person who I was following responded to the negative replies saying they could just not follow them, so I did that.
They knew he was a high school kid immediately. On top of that, this isn't the first time we have seen news like this was completely untrue. We see that sort of thing when discussing self defense incidents also. The initial news reports are often false or misleading in one way or another. A little skepticism is advised.
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Has Elizabeth Warren offered her opinion on this issue?
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I would be willing to wager that maga teen has more "native American blood" than Warren
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I would be willing to wager that maga teen has more "native American blood" than Warren
I've got more native American DNA then Warren and that's just what rubs off my wife.
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I've got more native American DNA then Warren and that's just what rubs off my wife.
:rofl:
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OK (get it?) now they really are racist:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/21/whoa-check-out-these-covington-catholic-basketball-players-shooting-the-white-power-sign-for-no-reason/
Side note: I've already ranted enough around here that "OK" means "OK" and they can all shove that "racist" stuff. I will say that not being a sports guy, I had no idea it signified something in basketball. Which again, shows the jumping to conclusions and spreading fake news... about minors.
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Listened to Louder with Crowder on this incident. He started off with "In sports this weekend, the Patriots beat the Chiefs!" =D
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OK (get it?) now they really are racist:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/21/whoa-check-out-these-covington-catholic-basketball-players-shooting-the-white-power-sign-for-no-reason/
Side note: I've already ranted enough around here that "OK" means "OK" and they can all shove that "racist" stuff. I will say that not being a sports guy, I had no idea it signified something in basketball. Which again, shows the jumping to conclusions and spreading fake news... about minors.
I don't watch basketball. I had no idea there was a hand sigh for a 3 point shot. However, it would never occur to me that it might be some kind of white power sign. What does that say about that guy that he thinks that?
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I've been waiting for the Bee to weigh in on this: https://babylonbee.com/news/press-that-incited-online-mob-against-teenagers-based-on-10-second-video-clip-unsure-why-some-people-call-them-fake-news
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It appears the edited video clip that started all this was most viewed due to the Twitter account of "a schoolteacher from Los Angeles" that was actually an account in Brazil. Twitter suspended (but did not ban) the account when it was brought to their attention.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/tech/twitter-suspends-account-native-american-maga-teens/index.html
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And they had to shut down the school today due to threats.
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And they had to shut down the school today due to threats.
Wrong response, IMHO, but it's their call not mine. I think they should have had heavily armed sheriff's deputies guarding the school.
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Wrong response, IMHO, but it's their call not mine. I think they should have had heavily armed sheriff's deputies guarding the school.
Probably not like the Parkland deputy, though.
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I thought there were reports of blue Brits, but I don't know about Black ones.
Early Europeans were probably dark skinned Caucasians. Skin color doesn't define race- skull shape does. Caucasians are the original peoples of North African, the Middle East, Europe and the Indian subcontinent. Light skin probably evolved only after they moved into Europe. North Africa, India and the Middle East are still full of dark skinned Caucasians today.
The ancient Egyptians were primarily dark skinned Caucasians with a small admixture of sub-Saharan Africans (there was a some intermarriage then, and even more today probably). The descendants of the pyramid builders still fill Egypt today, it is not mystery what they looked like.
There actually were some black kings of egypt though, after an invasion... I think that period lasted about 100 years. National Geographic had an interesting article on it.
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Early Europeans were probably dark skinned Caucasians. Skin color doesn't define race- skull shape does. Caucasians are the original peoples of North African, the Middle East, Europe and the Indian subcontinent. Light skin probably evolved only after they moved into Europe. North Africa, India and the Middle East are still full of dark skinned Caucasians today.
The ancient Egyptians were primarily dark skinned Caucasians with a small admixture of sub-Saharan Africans (there was a some intermarriage then, and even more today probably). The descendants of the pyramid builders still fill Egypt today, it is not mystery what they looked like.
There actually were some black kings of egypt though, after an invasion... I think that period lasted about 100 years. National Geographic had an interesting article on it.
I was talking about the story that the Romans were met by native warriors wearing nothing but blue paint.
Surely, there's a better word than "Caucasian," though?
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Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucusoid are the three human divisions, races.
Oddly, all three were represented in this episode.
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The libtards aren't going to be satisfied until someone gets killed.
The potential for the seriously ugly can of worms that will open is not something I would look forward to.
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The libtards aren't going to be satisfied until someone gets killed.
The potential for the seriously ugly can of worms that will open is not something I would look forward to.
I've seen a couple of articles, starting with the hate-fest over Mrs. Pence working at a spooky, anti-gay school, and again with the freak-out about these students, that suggest the Left is "going to war" on Christian schools. Which would be a fitting next stage to that attack on Christians Working Outside the Home.
It's going to be more than a war on Christians, though. We've all noticed that the hatred of white males is socially acceptable, and encouraged by the universities, and various opinion journals. White women come in for abuse, as well. As I've pointed out before, Leftism can also be termed "anti-Americanism." It's not surprising they want to attack a demographic they see as being more traditionally American.
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It's going to be more than a war on Christians, though. We've all noticed that the hatred of white males is socially acceptable, and encouraged by the universities, and various opinion journals. White women come in for abuse, as well. As I've pointed out before, Leftism can also be termed "anti-Americanism." It's not surprising they want to attack a demographic they see as being more traditionally American.
Interesting that several left pundits and politicians were (and still are) stating, "These kids abused a Vietnam vet and an Elder".
So if you're an old guy that's not white (and yes I know "elder" has alternate meanings, but still), I guess it's still not acceptable for people to treat you bad and kids should respect their elders. Old white guys need to hurry up and die off though.
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Interesting that several left pundits and politicians were (and still are) stating, "These kids abused a Vietnam vet and an Elder".
So if you're an old guy that's not white (and yes I know "elder" has alternate meanings, but still), I guess it's still not acceptable for people to treat you bad and kids should respect their elders. Old white guys need to hurry up and die off though.
The feminist/intersectionalist/communist/ green movements don't understand the scorpion riding on the back of the frog fable...
Most of the entirety of human existence has been the strong brutalizing the weak, I'm not sure that the weak are up to the task of living in a world that lacks rule of law, running water, electricity, and all of the other wonders brought into existence by the maligned 'patriarchy.'
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r/K selection may not explain everything but it sure nicely explains the cultural and political battles going on not only here but around the world.
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The latest crazy:
The Today show is apparently going to interview Nicholas Sandmann tomorrow (honestly, if I were him I wouldn't do it) and the lefties are losing their *expletive deleted*it. They're demanding an immediate follow up "counter-interview" with Nathan Phillips because, "fair". Nevermind that Phillips has already done like half a hundred interviews in the past two days - letting this kid do one interview to tell his side is racist (also Hitler was mentioned).
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/01/22/unhinged-lefties-absolutely-lose-it-after-savannah-guthrie-teases-interview-with-covington-student/
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Personally I think this is a bad idea.
Why go to battle in enemy territory on the enemies terms?
He is a young man in high school, his opponents are media savvy pros looking to destroy him and save the narrative.
Not much upside IMHO.
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He is a young man in high school, his opponents are media savvy pros looking to destroy him and save the narrative.
Not much upside IMHO.
He's not going in blind or anything, I'm sure the PR firm they have working on it will prep him well and they must think it can be of some benefit.
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According to this Phillips never went to Nam.
He did serve in the Marines 1972-76 though
Washington Post Updates Story: Native American Activist Nathan Phillips Never Fought in Vietnam War
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2019/01/22/washington-post-updates-story-native-american-activist-nathan-phillips-was-not-a-vietnam-vet-n2539669
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Vietnam ERA Vet VS. Vietnam Vet, two VERY different things! People often assume I served during Nam and I am quick to point out that I enlisted AFTER Nam during peacetime. To do otherwise is disrespectful to those who ARE actual Vietnam Veterans.
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Unbiased reporter Soledad O'Brian (is she Beto's sister?) is now saying that the unedited video is still bunk and that the kids were doing racist "tomahawk chops". There was another video snippet to "prove" this, but for the life of me, I couldn't see it. Best I could see, if I had to make something up like she did, was maybe doing a fist pump or something in time to the drumbeat.
Kathy Griffin is still calling for a full doxxing of all the kids. There are also still plenty of grown men stating they want to "beat the *expletive deleted*it" out of minors, and still plenty of calls for them to be shot. I saw on Twitchy some Muslim activist said he wanted to punch the one kid in the face, and someone reported him to Twitter. The guy posted Twitter's email or tweet or whatever to him informing him of the investigation and telling him he did nothing wrong. Apparently somebody else that called him a jerk or similar for threatening to punch the kid, was in fact suspended for breaking Twitter rules.
Speaking of Griffin
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/01/22/lmaooooooooo-why-did-kathy-griffin-delete-her-tweet-exposing-covington-kids-secret-nazi-identities-pic/
Can’t see the photo? That’s because she deleted it. Fortunately, we grabbed a screenshot for you:
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Even the referee must be a Nazi. i wonder why she didn't get a pic of him make the sign? (held high with both hands!)
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... and now "protestors" have descended on the high school:
https://apnews.com/4bea09a4b19f493681f36948265308f4
COVINGTON, Ky. (AP) — A Kentucky boys’ school shut down its campus Tuesday as a precaution and a small protest was held outside their diocese as fallout continued over an encounter involving white teenagers, Native American marchers and a black religious sect outside the Lincoln Memorial last week.
"religion sect"? ;/
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... and now "protestors" have descended on the high school:
https://apnews.com/4bea09a4b19f493681f36948265308f4
"religion sect"? ;/
I guess it depends on how you define sect.
Wikipedia article on Black Hebrew Israelites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
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And Phillips now says the black Israelites were victims of the Catholic kids. He also tried to crash a Mass. I guess he's not a big fan of Catholics.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/01/22/color-me-shocked-new-reporting-suggests-nathan-phillips-is-an-even-worse-guy-than-you-thought/
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Also, this all happened only because "the Trump Internet pounced". ;/
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/22/washington-post-learns-nothing-from-covington-reporting-says-the-trump-internet-pounced/
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the black isrealites/hebrews have been around for awhile.
they're such a pain in the neck even our traditional enemies know the truth.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2012/06/12/leader-black-hebrew-sect-pleads-guilty-killing-4-year-old
Are they the same ones claiming to be the lost 10 tribes?
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Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucusoid are the three human divisions, races.
Oddly, all three were represented in this episode.
I guess I was wrong, there are four distinct genetic divisions. Then of course there is plenty of admixture throughout the world. They’ve also started using different terms for the same branches.
African, Asian, Caucasian and Australid.
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The weirdest comment I saw on all this was someone saying the old guy was just walking down the street and the kids refused to step aside and let him pass. Just seemed like someone who knew they were wrong and were grasping at some way to continue to believe they were still right.
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The weirdest
I'll tell you what the weirdest (or perhaps most disgusting) thing is that I have noticed: It appears pretty much no one in the MSM or anyone in the liberal venues has anything bad to say about the black Israelites.
As mentioned by another poster, there seems to be little difference between them and Westboro, other than these guys might be even worse if that's possible. Yet no one in the MSM, freakin' worthless loudmouth Hollywood, pro-gay organizations, etc. seem to have anything bad to say about them. In fact many, including a sitting freakin' congresswoman, are praising them. Despite unedited video evidence showing just how hateful they are.
Once again I find myself dimension shifted to a bizarro Earth universe.
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I guess I was wrong, there are four distinct genetic divisions. Then of course there is plenty of admixture throughout the world. They’ve also started using different terms for the same branches.
African, Asian, Caucasian and Australid.
Hadza, and everyone else.
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The weirdest comment I saw on all this was someone saying the old guy was just walking down the street and the kids refused to step aside and let him pass. Just seemed like someone who knew they were wrong and were grasping at some way to continue to believe they were still right.
Seems par for the course in many of these cases. There are people to this day that "know" that Zimmerman chased down Trayvon Martin and shot him in the back despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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Seems par for the course in many of these cases. There are people to this day that "know" that Zimmerman chased down Trayvon Martin and shot him in the back despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Like Charlie Rangel believing the GOP were the pro-slavery party.
As he has done repeatedly before, Rangel compared some members of the GOP to confederates from the Civil War era. But at the Thursday evening event, he added that they "believe that slavery isn't over....Some of them believe that slavery isn't over and they and think they won the Civil War!" Rangel shouted.
https://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-rangel-some-republicans-believe-that-slavery-isnt-over-2014-10#ixzz3HiYYaDgd
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Like Charlie Rangel believing the GOP were the pro-slavery party.
https://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-rangel-some-republicans-believe-that-slavery-isnt-over-2014-10#ixzz3HiYYaDgd
History must fit the narrative
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Like Charlie Rangel believing the GOP were the pro-slavery party.
https://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-rangel-some-republicans-believe-that-slavery-isnt-over-2014-10#ixzz3HiYYaDgd
Some people seem to have this belief that all the racists in the South suddenly switch from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans. It seems to be people just believe what they were told without ever bothers to look at things closer.
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History must fit the narrative
True. I know someone who saw King George III's diary in the British museum, open to the page where he wrote, "July 4th, 1776 - nothing happened today."
Of course, no such diary is known to exist.
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The Catholic kid was guilty.
Guilty of committing “face crime”.
https://www.takimag.com/article/identity-stalinism/
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1984
https://www.infowars.com/1984-maga-kid-was-persecuted-for-committing-facecrime/
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The Catholic kid was guilty.
Guilty of committing “face crime”.
https://www.takimag.com/article/identity-stalinism/
That article doesn't hold much back. I hope that calling out leftist violence and racism becomes a mainstream thing.
Dennis Dale observes:
These hoaxes pull the veil back, by releasing the demonic resentments of those who think they’ve suddenly been given free reign to express them. There’s a reason the left projects the charge of the “dog whistle”…. It’s precisely where they’re at, itching to give their animus and hatred free reign.
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True. I know someone who saw King George III's diary in the British museum, open to the page where he wrote, "July 4th, 1776 - nothing happened today."
Of course, no such diary is known to exist.
Whether or not if such a diary existed you still have to consider that it would have taken something like a month or so for the King to have found out something important happened in the colonies on July 4th. So maybe nothing did happen that day from his prospective. Of course this could very well mean that on Aug 4th he may have wrote in his diary "Aug 4th, 1776 - oh crap".
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Whether or not if such a diary existed you still have to consider that it would have taken something like a month or so for the King to have found out something important happened in the colonies on July 4th. So maybe nothing did happen that day from his prospective. Of course this could very well mean that on Aug 4th he may have wrote in his diary "Aug 4th, 1776 - oh crap".
Thus the oft-heard story about the King's diary.
I was just talking about the way we like to believe things (like non-existent diary entries we've seen) that fit our view of history.
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Interesting times are coming, between the all pervasive propaganda we’re subjected to and our natural tendency to believe or go along with mass delusions, things are just going to get weirder I’m afraid.
Folks are actually watching the full video and hallucinating that the kid provoked the Natve American.
Who can escape their cognitive biases?
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“I began to sense faintly that secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy … censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, ‘This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,’ the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything — you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”
— Robert Heinlein
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Interesting times are coming, between the all pervasive propaganda we’re subjected to and our natural tendency to believe or go along with mass delusions, things are just going to get weirder I’m afraid.
Folks are actually watching the full video and hallucinating that the kid provoked the Natve American.
Who can escape their cognitive biases?
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It probably all ends with a whimper.
Our firearms are more likely to be used locally for self preservation in the event of societal breakdown than in defense of the nation, or against tyrannical government.
The government schools have been training the future generations to give up the rights in the 2nd amendment. It will be legislated away with the approval of the majority in due time.
Trump and the Supreme Court have put up some speed bumps but I’m not confident in the coming generations education on the issues.
No reason to confiscate guns from us older folks, we’ll soon be shaking off this mortal coil.
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It probably all ends with a whimper.
Our firearms are more likely to be used locally for self preservation in the event of societal breakdown than in defense of the nation, or against tyrannical government.
The government schools have been training the future generations to give up the rights in the 2nd amendment. It will be legislated away with the approval of the majority in due time.
Trump and the Supreme Court have put up some speed bumps but I’m not confident in the coming generations education on the issues.
No reason to confiscate guns from us older folks, we’ll soon be shaking off this mortal coil.
I wouldn't count on it.
You see those kids in that video? They were born on or after 2000. They didn't even blink while being harassed by 2 different groups of minorities, and they still aren't. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence out there indicating that generation to be one of the most red-pilled generation ever. I'd put the odds that they will be the generation that puts things back right, Gen-X failed, Millenials are a lost cause...
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I’ve been known to be wrong :rofl:
Certainly I was wrong about his media appearance on the morning talk show. From all accounts he stood like a rock and spoke truth to the vipers.
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They pulled Phillip's DD-214. Refrigerator repairman in Nebraska. Even if you let the Vietnam Vet stuff go as a misunderstanding, it's hard to let the " They spit on me when I got back" stuff go since he apparently never left. Well, except to go AWOL.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/23/when-is-andrew-gillum-going-to-take-down-this-tweet-honoring-refrigerator-mechanic-nathan-phillips/
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They pulled Phillip's DD-214. Refrigerator repairman in Nebraska. Even if you let the Vietnam Vet stuff go as a misunderstanding, it's hard to let the " They spit on me when I got back" stuff go since he apparently never left. Well, except to go AWOL.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/23/when-is-andrew-gillum-going-to-take-down-this-tweet-honoring-refrigerator-mechanic-nathan-phillips/
It's not at all surprising that a Democratic politician ascribes more honor to someone for being non-white.
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They pulled Phillip's DD-214. Refrigerator repairman in Nebraska. Even if you let the Vietnam Vet stuff go as a misunderstanding, it's hard to let the " They spit on me when I got back" stuff go since he apparently never left. Well, except to go AWOL.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/23/when-is-andrew-gillum-going-to-take-down-this-tweet-honoring-refrigerator-mechanic-nathan-phillips/
I saw earlier where Don Shipley had requested his DD214. Glad it came to light.
http://patriotretort.com/private-awol-refrigerator-ranger/
bob
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It's not at all surprising that a Democratic politician ascribes more honor to someone for being non-white.
They might as well start handing out Nobel Peace Prizes for being non-white. Oh wait.
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“agent-orange man bad” lol
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Interesting times are coming, between the all pervasive propaganda we’re subjected to and our natural tendency to believe or go along with mass delusions, things are just going to get weirder I’m afraid.
Folks are actually watching the full video and hallucinating that the kid provoked the Natve American.
Who can escape their cognitive biases?
Case in point
More pouncing! Now Guardian writer says conservative media created ‘parallel reality’ about Covington students
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/23/more-pouncing-now-guardian-writer-says-conservative-media-created-parallel-reality-about-covington-students/
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They pulled Phillip's DD-214. Refrigerator repairman in Nebraska. Even if you let the Vietnam Vet stuff go as a misunderstanding, it's hard to let the " They spit on me when I got back" stuff go since he apparently never left. Well, except to go AWOL.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/23/when-is-andrew-gillum-going-to-take-down-this-tweet-honoring-refrigerator-mechanic-nathan-phillips/
This guy really sounds like he is milking his service and approaching a stolen valor type status. I will say I do find this part maybe plausible, outside the "when I got back". I do believe it is possible that the spitting part happened, but obviously the "when I got back" part has to be false as he demonstrably never went away to get back according to his DD-214.
I was born in a Naval Hospital. Havelock(Cherry Point). My parents experienced an incident when I was very young, maybe 6 months or a year old. This would have been the very end of the actual Marines or any troops being over there. My father was carrying me and encountered "hippies" that cursed him, spit on him and called him a baby killer. My father was never deployed to Vietnam, he spent his entire service and the last few years of the Vietnam War in the US. Maybe they made this up, but I have no reason to believe that or why they would. This would have been just before or after Phillips was according to his DD-214 a Marine.
So yeah I think it might be possible he was harassed for being a Marine, or any service member during that time. Those harassers would of course most likely be the same type of people/from the same part of the political spectrum he seems to identify with and be one of today, so that seems a little strange, but yeah maybe could have happened.
Him claiming to have been in Vietnam obviously false. His getting in the face of the student, inexcusable, he was obviously the aggressor. I don't believe for one second he was trying to defuse anything.
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This guy really sounds like he is milking his service and approaching a stolen valor type status.
I really hate to call out a particular group of people but having worked on a couple of very impoverished reservations my experience is that there is a local respect given to those who join the military which leads to many of the Indians I encountered in the ER to embellish their Vet status. It is also of note that most who did that in the ER were also highly intoxicated. What does it mean? I don't know. Just some people like to embellish and when it brings added respect or other tangible benefits they are more likely to do it.
bob
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They might as well start handing out Nobel Peace Prizes for being non-white. Oh wait.
:laugh:
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I caught a bit of him being interviewed by that *can't use impolite adjective* Savannah Guthrie. He's so so slimy I'm surprised he didn't slip out of his chair and, of course, she was fawning over him like a school girl over Justin Bieber.
I do not understand how this keeps going when there is so much video and it all supports the boys story. They're isn't one shred of evidence that Nathan Phillips is anything but lying. ??? It's like the major news outlets still don't get the internet and what they air on TV isn't the only thing the public sees.
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Nathan Phillips fawning is mild compared to what's starting now. I expected them to keep quiet about the African Israelites. I didn't expect them to put out practically feel good stories in their defense, but that's apparently what the NYT has done. Poor, misunderstood, mislabeled hate group.
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Sad part is I saw the story about local boy gone whack from the year 2000 where the Nebraska news caught up with Standing BS at his tepee on the national Mall. So a twenty year professional protestor. Give me a break.
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There are still new stories still coming out about what hateful aholes the kids are, based solely on the initial 10 second video. "I don't care about the 2 hour video, I know what I saw" type of stuff. (the "I know what I saw" is a direct quote, I added the I don't care part for context) I can't wait for Mr Barnes to start filing libel lawsuits against the NYT, etc. I'm not sure if that starts tomorrow or Monday...
I don't expect Phillips to be named in the suit as a defendant (I doubt he has any assets) but probably called as a witness and exposed as a lying sack of *expletive deleted*it.
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The NYTs take on the Hebrew Israelites
Long story short: Their behavior that day was normal for them so nothing to see here, move along.
Hebrew Israelites See Divine Intervention in Lincoln Memorial Confrontation
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/black-hebrew-israelites-covington-catholic.html
Two sections that may be of interest
Dating back more than a century, the theology is difficult to define today because the movement is split into dozens of semiautonomous groups. In general, adherents contend that race does not exist, and so they eschew being referred to as black or categorizing anyone else by race. They group people instead based on what they call nations, believing that there are 12 tribes among God’s chosen people. White people are not among those tribes, they believe, and will therefore be servants when Christ returns to Earth.
And
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, categorized at least 80 groups nationwide that follow Hebrew Israelite theology as hate groups. They account for about a third of the organizations that the center considered black nationalist groups in 2017.
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Make that three sections
To many black people, Hebrew Israelites are a harmless part of their communities, said Todd Boyd, a professor of race and pop culture at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, one of many cities where the group can be seen working the streets. More alarming to many African Americans, he said, is “seeing a white guy in a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat.”
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The NYTs take on the Hebrew Israelites
Long story short: Their behavior that day was normal for them so nothing to see here, move along.
Hebrew Israelites See Divine Intervention in Lincoln Memorial Confrontation
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/black-hebrew-israelites-covington-catholic.html
Two sections that may of interest
And
DASS RIIIIIGHT!!!!
They're a bunch of retards, I'm going to mock them any time they hit the news.
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The NYTs take on the Hebrew Israelites
Long story short: Their behavior that day was normal for them so nothing to see here, move along.
Oh-key then.
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I like the part where he says they were taunting him with "Build the wall." 'Cuz Native peoples are so desperate to bring in their relatives from the Old Country, I guess? ???
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https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/1/22/18192933/covington-catholic-maga-teen-nick-sandmann-hat
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/42474/lawyer-covington-kids-threatens-sue-nyt-obvious-james-barrett
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Internet lynch mobs are one of the most repulsive things about the USA today.
How did something so stupid make the the national news? What is wrong with these crazy people who try and ruin the lives of strangers?
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Post mortem by The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/
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Post mortem by The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/
You know the left has really changed in this country when you find its denizens glorifying America’s role in the Vietnam War and lionizing the social attitudes of the corporate monolith Procter & Gamble [referring to the Gillette ad].
[Author's admonishment to the New York Times]
You were partly responsible for the election of Trump because you are the most influential newspaper in the country, and you are not fair or impartial. Millions of Americans believe you hate them and that you will casually harm them. Two years ago, they fought back against you, and they won. If Trump wins again, you will once again have played a small but important role in that victory.
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You know the left has really changed in this country when you find its denizens glorifying America’s role in the Vietnam War and lionizing the social attitudes of the corporate monolith Procter & Gamble.
The left isn't glorifying America's role in the VN war, far from it, they've realized they can use the fact that vets get a certain amount of extra respect in this country and are considered more honorable beyond reproach by some. In other words he can't be lying, he's a noble veteran or something like that. But they can and will flip it around in an instant, if he was a MAGA hat wearing Republican I would bet you good money he would have been made out as a baby killer in "Nixon's war for profit" and thus is obviously lying.
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How The MAGA Hat Covington Catholic Students Native American Incident Truly Started! Full Video!
https://youtu.be/X4MC--CZoOM
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^^^That facial expression guide was hilarious.
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^^^That facial expression guide was hilarious.
Agreed.
And after considering the other one, I think I may be due compensation.
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Latest on the kids getting lawyers. One attorney is working pro bono. In general I'm not big on lawsuits, but I'm guessing these kids need some protection if they want to get into college. Plus I'd really like to see Ana Navarro and Kathy Griffin have to write a check.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/26/nicholas-sandmanns-family-hires-defamation-lawyer-who-represented-jonbenet-ramseys-family/
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It would appear now that as far as the MSM is concerned this story never existed.
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It would appear now that as far as the MSM is concerned this story never existed.
Which is exactly how the media operates.
They are toddlers. COMPLETELY excited about the new shiny thing, and then two minutes later are obsessed with the NEWER shiny thing and the old shiny thing is completely forgotten.
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Which is exactly how the media operates.
They are toddlers. COMPLETELY excited about the new shiny thing, and then two minutes later are obsessed with the NEWER shiny thing and the old shiny thing is completely forgotten.
Especially true when it turns out their original reporting was wrong ...
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I think it's more like when they realize you aren't being fooled.
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Still the kid's, and Trump's, fault
Think I lost a few IQ points listening to that.
https://twitter.com/mattdizwhitlock/status/1091364275468333057
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While the MSM seems to be letting this drop down in the news, this 15 minute video is absolutely worth watching all the way through:
https://youtu.be/lSkpPaiUF8s
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Did the bureaucrats at the school ever apologize to the kids for throwing them under the bus without hearing their side of it?
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While the MSM seems to be letting this drop down in the news, this 15 minute video is absolutely worth watching all the way through:
https://youtu.be/lSkpPaiUF8s
Never let the truth interfere with the narrative ...
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Never let the truth interfere with the narrative ...
i just watched half of it, looks awesome!
a young lady i know sent it to me while admitting she was wrong!!
=D
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https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/695036694/covington-catholic-teens-cleared-of-wrongdoing-by-detective-agency?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190215&fbclid=IwAR1Rsoq_aCCfQM-E_r18abLN_WSRFdeg_FsS3ggpZwGKSls_s9qDabs-XPs
Private investigative report exonerates the students.
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Did the bureaucrats at the school ever apologize to the kids for throwing them under the bus without hearing their side of it?
Eventually the bishop apologized.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/covington-bishop-apologizes-to-covington-catholic-students-95095
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-evolving-response-of-the-church-in-kentucky-to-covington-catholic-incident-36473
One wonders how sincere the apology is since it only was made after a lawsuit was looming . . .
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https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/695036694/covington-catholic-teens-cleared-of-wrongdoing-by-detective-agency?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190215&fbclid=IwAR1Rsoq_aCCfQM-E_r18abLN_WSRFdeg_FsS3ggpZwGKSls_s9qDabs-XPs
Private investigative report exonerates the students.
More proof of white privilege.
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One wonders how sincere the apology is since it only was made after a lawsuit was looming . . .
I don't wonder very hard. ;/
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One wonders how sincere the apology is since it only was made after a lawsuit was looming . . .
It may be a sincere apology, but he has revealed he's no Pastor.
A Pastor would be concerned for HIS PEOPLE first, and the greater society second. Pastors (Bishops, too) are called to watch over the people of their "flock". Not the society as a whole. They should care especially about those who they(supposedly) have charge for the spiritual growth as young people.
What did he do? He responded to the concerns of those who hate his people. And agreed with them that "his people" were the problem.
He, thereby, revealed that those under his charge are not really "his people."
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Sometimes at apology at gunpoint is the most satisfying kind, even tho' it's not sincere. (perhaps because it's not sincere)
I agree with Mak that the bishop not fit to be an overseer
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It may be a sincere apology, but he has revealed he's no Pastor.
A Pastor would be concerned for HIS PEOPLE first, and the greater society second. Pastors (Bishops, too) are called to watch over the people of their "flock". Not the society as a whole. They should care especially about those who they(supposedly) have charge for the spiritual growth as young people.
What did he do? He responded to the concerns of those who hate his people. And agreed with them that "his people" were the problem.
He, thereby, revealed that those under his charge are not really "his people."
I read your post . . . then I read it twice . . . then I read it thrice.
I found nothing to disagree with.
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I had a further thought about the false bishop.
The INSTANTANEOUS condemnation of members of his flock stands in stark contrast to the Church's mealy-mouthed tepid response to ostensibly Catholic New York politicians enabling and cheering mortal sins of murdering children.
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They're suing the Washington Post now http://www.hemmerlaw.com/blog/for-truth-for-justice-for-nicholas/
As an actual lawsuit I doubt it's going to get very far.
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They're suing the Washington Post now http://www.hemmerlaw.com/blog/for-truth-for-justice-for-nicholas/
As an actual lawsuit I doubt it's going to get very far.
How so? The young man is a minor. The news doesn't get to libel him as though he is a public figure.
He doesn't even have to prove malicious intent. Just that they were negligent.
Considering it takes a very small amount of time to prove the initial allegations completely false, I don't see how he can lose on the merits. The Washington Post took ZERO effort to substantiate the claims they published.
That's negligence right there, and all he needs for libel.
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How so? The young man is a minor. The news doesn't get to libel him as though he is a public figure.
He doesn't even have to prove malicious intent. Just that they were negligent.
Considering it takes a very small amount of time to prove the initial allegations completely false, I don't see how he can lose on the merits. The Washington Post took ZERO effort to substantiate the claims they published.
That's negligence right there, and all he needs for libel.
IMHO, it's a slam-dunk case, except for the damages. He's going to have a hard time showing any actual damages, other than maybe his legal fees. Is this being tried under Kentucky laws or federal laws? (not sure if there are federal libel laws) IANAL, and all that.
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IMHO, it's a slam-dunk case, except for the damages. He's going to have a hard time showing any actual damages, other than maybe his legal fees. Is this being tried under Kentucky laws or federal laws? (not sure if there are federal libel laws) IANAL, and all that.
People were writing to potential colleges to prevent him from attending any college.
People were offering cash (and other incentives) to punch him or worse.
.... That's not damage to a reputation?
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How so? The young man is a minor. The news doesn't get to libel him as though he is a public figure.
He doesn't even have to prove malicious intent. Just that they were negligent.
It was almost certainly a "matter of public concern" by the time WaPo even published their first story, so I expect they will have to prove malicious intent if it gets that far. It had already "gone viral" and pretty much all of the false and defamatory statements listed were just quotes from Phillips.
Sandmann may have a viable lawsuit against someone, I just don't see it happening against the Washington Post.
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It was almost certainly a "matter of public concern" by the time WaPo even published their first story, so I expect they will have to prove malicious intent if it gets that far. It had already "gone viral" and pretty much all of the false and defamatory statements listed were just quotes from Phillips.
Sandmann may have a viable lawsuit against someone, I just don't see it happening against the Washington Post.
But WaPo published 7 or 8 stories in the days after the event without doing any factchecking (i.e. watching the full videos). That's negligence on the part of WaPo. They are expected to make sure the stories they publish are as accurate as possible. They continued to publish "the narrative" well after the truth of the event had come out.
As far a damages, every time someone googles Nicholas Sandmann or does any type of background check, the first things to come up will be the WaPo stories. That's ruined the kid's reputation forever.
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But WaPo published 7 or 8 stories in the days after the event without doing any factchecking (i.e. watching the full videos).
Which came out like 12 hours after the edited one. There is literally no excuse for a mainstream news source to not have seen them within 24 hours of the edited one, but that first one got all the airplay in the MSM for days. Unlike the social media, "journalists" are supposed to do diligent research.
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It was almost certainly a "matter of public concern" by the time WaPo even published their first story, so I expect they will have to prove malicious intent if it gets that far. . . .
IANAL but . . .
Has the WaPo ever published a critical story equating MAGA hats - or "pro-life" individuals - with Klan hoods, racism, or some other unsavory opinions or practices? That might go a long way toward proving malicious intent when the object of their ire is NOT a public figure.
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It was almost certainly a "matter of public concern" by the time WaPo even published their first story, so I expect they will have to prove malicious intent if it gets that far. It had already "gone viral" and pretty much all of the false and defamatory statements listed were just quotes from Phillips.
Sandmann may have a viable lawsuit against someone, I just don't see it happening against the Washington Post.
How could any sane person consider him, a 16 year old high school student, a "public figure" when all the publicity was without his consent. He was in the public eye involuntarily and not for any actual misdeed.
He's been doxxed, threatened, maligned and publicly ridiculed by numerous media outlets and libtard public figures.
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It was almost certainly a "matter of public concern" by the time WaPo even published their first story, so I expect they will have to prove malicious intent if it gets that far. It had already "gone viral" and pretty much all of the false and defamatory statements listed were just quotes from Phillips.
Sandmann may have a viable lawsuit against someone, I just don't see it happening against the Washington Post.
It doesn't matter that it had gone viral. The kid wasn't a public figure. The fact that the libel and slander turned him into a public figure is ex post facto. That means the media had a duty to not be negligent. They didn't have absolutely prove that the claims against the kids were true, but they did have to at least make a conscientious effort to determine whether or not the charges were true.
And they didn't make any effort whatsoever. They took a narrative that supported their world view du jour and ran with it.
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I don't know who the SNL writer girl is who offered ... uh...."sex" to whomever would punch the young man, but I saw her picture.
She is attractive, so i can easily imagine there are lots of idiot dudes out there who A: believe her B: willing to actually assault the young gentleman.
She, obviously has never gotten a right hook, in the face, by an aggressor male a lot stronger than she is.
I am willing to bet that God will one day let her know what its like to get a punch in the face.
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the student became a “limited purpose public figure” during the confrontation, adding that Sandmann’s lawyers would need to then prove the Post “published what they knew was false and reckless.”
“We start from the proposition that the freedom of speech is protected and defamation is an exception, a very narrow exception. When it’s a public event, the exception is even narrower.”
while he makes a “very strong moral case,” the law “does not impose a moral standard on the Washington Post to engage in restraint.”
I've seen a lot of people on social media excited about this case, but I can't say I've seen many I respect with a legal background saying it's a strong case while there are a couple saying the opposite. Just because someone was wronged doesn't mean the courts will deliver justice.
I'm no lawyer and the whole Gawker thing didn't turn out how I expected, so I could turn out to be wrong but I'd still be willing to bet money that they don't win this case in court. I'm even skeptical that it will be settled out of court for anything more than an apology. That filing is kind of a mess - lots of stuff in there that definitely isn't defamation and (at least to me) looks pretty irrelevant so maybe I'm missing some of the actual statements WaPo made that were defamation. So much of it was opinion. This is from well before when the suit was filed but explains why it will be hard one to win https://reason.com/volokh/2019/01/24/libel-law-and-the-covington-boys
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I think there's probably a good case, but not for $250mil. Maybe $250k.
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Another look through the lawsuit, they found one item compelling:
There is one statement that does look like a potential assertion of fact rather than opinion. From The Post:
"It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: 'I've got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,' " Phillips recalled. "I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn't allow me to retreat."
This strikes me as potential grounds for a libel claim. It may indeed be considered a statement of fact rather than opinion, and one that was incorrect. The false assertion certainly portrays Sandmann in a negative light, and The Post made little effort to corroborate it before the author went ahead and subjected a previously unknown teenage boy to all the negative publicity that comes with being the subject of hit piece in a major media outlet. But this is far from open and shut, as the media's failures in the Covington case, while substantial, are more open to interpretation than Rolling Stone's failures in the Virginia story.
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"It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: 'I've got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,' " Phillips recalled. "I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn't allow me to retreat."
It's just a basic language problem. Phillips perhaps avoided going to one of those missionary schools on the reservation where they don't let the kids speak anything other than English. That might explain why he thinks "retreat" means "continue in a forward direction," rather than "go back to where I came in from."
The concept of someone in front of you blocking you from retreating is ... amusing.
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Add CNN
CNN to be sued for more than $250M over 'vicious' and 'direct attacks' on Covington High student: lawyer
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cnn-to-be-sued-for-more-than-250m-over-vicious-and-direct-attacks-on-covington-high-student-lawyer
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The media overreaction/bias to this situation is the classic example of how far down into the depths modern *"journalism" has fallen. I hope this kid's lawyer lines up a long line of individuals and companies to sue. If they settle, I would make part of the settlement the absence of any non disclosure agreement. The only way the media can begin to pay for their sins of distortion, obfuscation, error, lies and negligent reportage inter alia, is to rub their noses in it publicly.
*To call the dreck in print or broadcasting journalism or reporting does a disservice to the definition of each.
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*To call the dreck in print or broadcasting journalism or reporting does a disservice to the definition of each.
That's why I call it urinalism.
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As an actual lawsuit I doubt it's going to get very far.
dismissed
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/07/26/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-federal-judge-trump/1841278001/
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Marburger said the opinion issue was at the crux of the suit.
"When we’re all looking at the same facts, we’re all free to say what we think those facts show without being fearful of a libel judgement against us," Marburger said. "And that’s what you have here."
Odd quote. The Post can say anything they want as long as it is an opinion or quoting someone's opinion. That is the sort of thing that can be heavily abused.
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Odd quote. The Post can say anything they want as long as it is an opinion or quoting someone's opinion. That is the sort of thing that can be heavily abused.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Quod erat demonstrandum.
Into obscure movies? =)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2463808/
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Lawsuit has been reinstated
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/federal-judge-reinstates-libel-lawsuit-filed-by-covington-catholic-teen-against-washington-post/2019/10/28/30155c52-f9ae-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
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Lawsuit has been reinstated
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/federal-judge-reinstates-libel-lawsuit-filed-by-covington-catholic-teen-against-washington-post/2019/10/28/30155c52-f9ae-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
If I read it right, by the same judge who first denied it. Interesting.
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If I read it right, by the same judge who first denied it. Interesting.
Correct. But he has narrowed the scope of the complaint from 33 statements to just three.
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Correct. But he has narrowed the scope of the complaint from 33 statements to just three.
And that's for now. I'm fairly certain that will come up in appeal, should the Post be so unwise as to allow this to proceed to discovery.
Just what do you think the "journalists" at the Post (and CNN, and NBC, and....) were saying about the high schoolers in private emails and messages?
IF they are smart, after fighting discovery tooth and nail (which they will), they will fold like cheap suits.
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If I read it right, by the same judge who first denied it. Interesting.
Why would the judge reconsider his decision? Did an appeals court force that? I am kinda curious about that.
As far as comparisons go, I did see some people point out that this teenager and Greta are the same age. The leftists were horrified that anyone would question or disagree with Greta on Climate Change, but many of them talked about slugging this teenager in the face.
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One of these days the stupid *expletive deleted*ing SJW libtards are gonna get someone killed with their bullshit. There needs to be repercussions from this kind of electronic lynching. If the courts can't or wont provide it then eventually people will deal with it themselves.
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One of the lawyers was on Fox this morning and stated they had convinced the judge to watch some of the unedited videos and he overruled himself.
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What we have here is another failure of the English language. The Native American phony veteran claims he was blocked from "retreating." "Retreat" means to reverse direction and leave using the same route by which you entered. It's impossible for someone who is standing in front of you to prevent you from "retreating."
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One of the lawyers was on Fox this morning and stated they had convinced the judge to watch some of the unedited videos and he overruled himself.
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How the hell did the judge make his original ruling without actually reviewing the evidence? Was none of that provided?
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How the hell did the judge make his original ruling without actually reviewing the evidence? Was none of that provided?
He was a Carter appointee. That's how.
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I Have an old friend with boys in high school, she was just regurgitating the liberal hordes - virtue signalling about native americans
( which, living in Ireland, she knows nothing about )
when i sent her a clip of the uncut vid, it actually changed her mind
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A Kentucky judge has dropped presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D.-Mass., from a libel lawsuit filed by eight Covington Catholic High School students on grounds of sovereign immunity.
I didn't even know Warren was being sued.
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A Kentucky judge has dropped presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D.-Mass., from a libel lawsuit filed by eight Covington Catholic High School students on grounds of sovereign immunity.
I didn't even know Warren was being sued.
Unless what Sen. Warren said was actually said by her on the floor of the senate while it was in session, there should be no immunity.
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Looks like the $275 million suit against NBC will be proceeding to discovery:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/covington-catholic-teen-nbc-suit-judge
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https://www.fox19.com/2020/01/07/cnn-settles-lawsuit-with-nick-sandmann/
CNN settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann
COVINGTON, Ky. (FOX19) - CNN agreed Tuesday to settle a lawsuit with Covington Catholic student Nick Sandmann.
The amount of the settlement was not made public during a hearing at the federal courthouse in Covington, Kentucky.
Sandmann’s lawsuit sought $800 million from CNN, the Washington Post and NBC Universal.
Trial dates are still not set for Sandmann’s lawsuit against NBC Universal and the Washington Post.
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^^^ Hopefully he gets a really high percentage of the amount sought.
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^^^ Hopefully he gets a really high percentage of the amount sought.
This is a case where I don't even care if the lawyers got a big percentage too, if the settlement was close to what they asked. CNN deserves to lose every penny possible.
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A few more of these should knock the wind out of the sails of the media. Hopefully they will learn it is okay to slow down and gather all the facts before reporting a story. I miss the old film at 11 or more details in the morning edition.
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A few more of these should knock the wind out of the sails of the media. Hopefully they will learn it is okay to slow down and gather all the facts before reporting a story. I miss the old film at 11 or more details in the morning edition.
Especially when the case involves a minor who is not already a public figure.
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It would be nice if this prompted the corporate behemoth that owns CNN (_ _&_)to do a little house cleaning but I'll not hold my breath.
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Especially when the case involves a minor who is not already a public figure.
or not... https://www.businessinsider.com/pink-slime-case-177-million-settlement-2017-8
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If only this were true ...
https://babylonbee.com/news/as-part-of-settlement-with-nick-sandmann-cnn-hosts-must-wear-maga-hats-while-on-the-air
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this is the real reason Trump killed the Iranian General, he made a deal
with the dinosaur media to get this story off the radar
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After years of politically charged litigation, former Covington Catholic High School student Nick Sandmann has lost a round of high-profile defamation lawsuits against five mainstream media companies at the summary judgment stage. That’s according to court dockets and an opinion and order signed by a federal judge in the Eastern District of Kentucky on Tuesday.
Sandmann’s cases against ABC News, Rolling Stone magazine, CBS News, newspaper and television station owner Gannett, and The New York Times are now officially listed as “terminated” on the court record.
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Sandmann’s cases against ABC News, Rolling Stone magazine, CBS News, newspaper and television station owner Gannett, and The New York Times are now officially listed as “terminated” on the court record.
Too bad. Each of those smarmy organizations should be sued into oblivion for what they've done to innocent people in the past. Especially Rolling Stone.
I see the linked site is run by an ABC News guy. The reader comments section appears to be strongly left-biased.
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The reader comments section appears to be strongly left-biased.
I can't think of a single site where the reader comments are worth reading.
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I can't think of a single site where the reader comments are worth reading.
Oh, come on! What about Reddi … oh, ummm. There lots of great, intelligent commentary on Faceb … shoot. I know I saw some polite discourse on FoxNews! Dang it, that was here.
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Reading through the article, it appears the Judge was holding the plaintiffs to a very high bar and allowing the media to weasel out of any accountability allowing everything to be labeled as only their opinions.
The legalize of it just makes it seem to me like the judge could rule any way he wanted and find reasons to justify it. I guess that is the legal system in this country.
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gosh, that stinks! is the case dead in the water? no appeal? sounds like the media went judge shopping