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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on January 24, 2019, 12:17:48 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/gop-liberal-america-millennials.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
There may well be continued leftward movement in our political landscape, especially as older Republicans die off and are replaced by our children and grandchildren.
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I thought there were articles talking about the younger generation being much more right. ???
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Overton Window .... the aperture that sheds light on political movements ..... [tinfoil] ....... :old:
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Young people are pretty much always more liberal than older ones.
Hopefully they will grow out of it.
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Young people are pretty much always more liberal than older ones.
Hopefully they will grow out of it.
Usually when they find out, all too often the hard way, that not everything they KNEW as a teenager was right and that their parents just may have been right about quite a few things the whole time.
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Young people are pretty much always more liberal than older ones.
Hopefully they will grow out of it.
Somebody once said,
"If a man isn't a Communist by the time he's twenty, he has no heart. And if he hasn't rejected it by the time he's thirty, he has no brain."
Terry, 230RN
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Who was it who said,
"If a man isn't a Communist by the time he's twenty, he has no heart. And if he hasn't rejected it by the time he's thirty, he has no brain."
???
Terry, 230RN
I have no heart then.
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Somebody once said,
"If a man isn't a Communist by the time he's twenty, he has no heart. And if he hasn't rejected it by the time he's thirty, he has no brain."
???
Terry, 230RN
You realize we are headed for Idiocracy ...
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You realize we are headed for Idiocracy ...
You realize the journey is nearly complete?
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Somebody once said,
"If a man isn't a Communist by the time he's twenty, he has no heart. And if he hasn't rejected it by the time he's thirty, he has no brain."
Terry, 230RN
Oh, I had a heart when I was twenty. I kept it at home. In a box. Packed in salt.
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You realize the journey is nearly complete?
Are we there yet? ...... Are we there yet?....... Are we there yet? ......... [popcorn] [tinfoil] :rofl:
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You realize the journey is nearly complete?
Turn on Jerry Springer, I fear the off ramp was passed a while back.
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According to the study — which was based on online surveys of 920 youths aged 13 to 17 and nearly 11,000 adults 18 or older — only 30 percent of Generation Z respondents said they approved of President Trump’s performance; more than half believed humans were fueling climate change; and 70 percent said they wanted the government to do more to solve the nation’s problems. Those views roughly mirror attitudes held by Millennials, and together, the two age groups may add up to a powerful voting bloc at odds with Republican orthodoxy, political scientists say.
I guess I am curious how they did the online survey and how it is supposed to be representative.
Skimming some of the rest of the article, I wonder if what we really see is younger Republicans are just less authoritarian than older Republicans which might be a good thing.
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We're surprised that the NY Times is reporting that "young conservatives" are really liberals in sheep's clothing?
That said, I do think the younger conservative is a lot less traditionally conservative on social issues that the government has no reason to be sticking it's nose in anyway.
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I do volunteer work with a lot of young people. In my experience, they tend to look at individual issues rather than party platforms. On issues such as civil liberties, race relations, LGBTQ, reproductive rights, immigration, I agree they are more liberal. On other issues, including many on self defense and RKBA, more conservative.
Oh, and I always heard the quote as "if you weren't a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative by your 40s, you have no brain."
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That is how the government schools and all media have programmed them, you’re surprised?
Being opposed to the right is where any sane person would stand.
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young guy I know, very active in local R politics.
Totally in support of the bump stock ban, red flag laws and gun free zones on campus.
so do most of them :mad:
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Most of the younger conservatives I know are very conservative in certain areas, very liberal in others (especially compared to older Republicans). With both having a very strong undercurrent of leave people the hell alone.
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As others have noted, the left's march through the institutions has borne fruit.
We'll see if exposure to reality lifts the veil these young Republicans have lived under in the education system or if the programming holds.
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I guess I am not young anymore, but I am not quite yelling at clouds yet. I typically vote R. I abhor a lot of what the left is pushing, but that doesn't mean I align with what the right wants. I don't want to live in a Mike Pence theocracy anymore than I want to live in a Kamala Harris work camp. Somebody want to start a party that is about limited federal government, states rights and non sjw equality, sign me up. And oh yeah, a party that doesn't turn out Gary Johnsons.
So while I am in poll stats a likely R voter, what exactly do they offer?
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I guess I am not young anymore, but I am not quite yelling at clouds yet. I typically vote R. I abhor a lot of what the left is pushing, but that doesn't mean I align with what the right wants. I don't want to live in a Mike Pence theocracy anymore than I want to live in a Kamala Harris work camp. Somebody want to start a party that is about limited federal government, states rights and non sjw equality, sign me up. And oh yeah, a party that doesn't turn out Gary Johnsons.
So while I am in poll stats a likely R voter, what exactly do they offer?
I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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You guys won’t ever get your wish.
What you are describing is cargo cult USA, what we’ve already had and is currently “progressing” away.
You don’t get what you want with modern day presuppositions about reality.
Cultural and political systems will reflect the moral, religious and philosophical axioms of the people.
In short, we’re *expletive deleted*ed.
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I guess I am not young anymore, but I am not quite yelling at clouds yet. I typically vote R. I abhor a lot of what the left is pushing, but that doesn't mean I align with what the right wants. I don't want to live in a Mike Pence theocracy anymore than I want to live in a Kamala Harris work camp. Somebody want to start a party that is about limited federal government, states rights and non sjw equality, sign me up. And oh yeah, a party that doesn't turn out Gary Johnsons.
So while I am in poll stats a likely R voter, what exactly do they offer?
The weird part is, I'm pretty sure if that party appeared, they'd win in a landslide.
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The weird part is, I'm pretty sure if that party appeared, they'd win in a landslide.
Shall we revive the Whigs ?? Modern day (Big "L") Party Libertarians only seem to care about MJ legalization but only pay lip service to everything else.
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Shall we revive the Whigs ?? Modern day (Big "L") Party Libertarians only seem to care about MJ legalization but only pay lip service to everything else.
To many old moldy Cheetos.
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Shall we revive the Whigs ?? Modern day (Big "L") Party Libertarians only seem to care about MJ legalization but only pay lip service to everything else.
Actually, I did vote for Johnson. I figured having a President stoned out in the oval office would at least keep one branch of the federal government out of too much trouble.
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Shall we revive the Whigs ?? Modern day (Big "L") Party Libertarians only seem to care about MJ legalization but only pay lip service to everything else.
You forgot kiddie porn, the libertarian seem to attract those to. And anarchy larpers. We need government of adults. Minarchy, or some such. But I see no hope in the current L. Even squishy on guns a lot.
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There is no system that will have good results if it is run by bad people.
We are not just machines that can be manipulated by the proper rules, guidelines and inputs.
We are spiritual creatures who also dwell in the metaphysical reality.
The western world, common law and the natural rights of man were birthed out of a people who believed in very specific things regarding God, persuing the Good, the True and the Beautiful. Metaphysical realities and transcendent truths were at the top of the hierarchy.
The systems of government and law reflected internal maps of reality that corresponded to the Christian world view of reality.
A materialistic people designing a purely materialistic system will not have the same results. You’ll just get the same dysfunction we’re experiencing now. The blind leading the blind leads to both ending up in the ditch.
Trying to impose the old system on this “modern” people won’t work either. The old system worked because it was a reflection of the people. I’m in favor of going back to the old ways but I know it is a temporary fix.
The only thing that will work is the people changing their mind about God, seeking out the transcendent truths of the spiritual reality and living lives seeking the good, the true and beautiful.
The United States needs another Great Awakening, the people need to repent of making personal actualization their god and follow Christ instead. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. All other ways, lies of modernity and the culture of meaninglessness, will end in death.
We are a spiritually sick nation. Degeneracy, consumerism, class and tribal resentment cannot be fixed by laws.
Those are matters of the heart and only God can fix those problems.
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There is no system that will have good results if it is run by bad people.
We are not just machines that can be manipulated by the proper rules, guidelines and inputs.
We are spiritual creatures who also dwell in the metaphysical reality.
The western world, common law and the natural rights of man were birthed out of a people who believed in very specific things regarding God, persuing the Good, the True and the Beautiful. Metaphysical realities and transcendent truths were at the top of the hierarchy.
The systems of government and law reflected internal maps of reality that corresponded to the Christian world view of reality.
A materialistic people designing a purely materialistic system will not have the same results. You’ll just get the same dysfunction we’re experiencing now. The blind leading the blind leads to both ending up in the ditch.
Trying to impose the old system on this “modern” people won’t work either. The old system worked because it was a reflection of the people. I’m in favor of going back to the old ways but I know it is a temporary fix.
The only thing that will work is the people changing their mind about God, seeking out the transcendent truths of the spiritual reality and living lives seeking the good, the true and beautiful.
The United States needs another Great Awakening, the people need to repent of making personal actualization their god and follow Christ instead. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. All other ways, lies of modernity and the culture of meaninglessness, will end in death.
We are a spiritually sick nation. Degeneracy, consumerism, class and tribal resentment cannot be fixed by laws.
Those are matters of the heart and only God can fix those problems.
Right. Cause a god fearin bunch have never shown themselves to be just as problematic as any other bunch of morally superior folks who know what's best for you. No friggin thanks.
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Right. Cause a god fearin bunch have never shown themselves to be just as problematic as any other bunch of morally superior folks who know what's best for you. No friggin thanks.
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Atomistic, degenerate nihilism isn’t the answer.
If you are going to destroy the foundations of our civilization you should at least have the courtesy to offer a workable alternative.
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Atomistic, degenerate nihilism isn’t the answer.
If you are going to destroy the foundations of our civilization you should at least have the courtesy to offer a workable alternative.
How about "Just leave me the hell alone?" ?
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How about "Just leave me the hell alone?" ?
Exactly!
If what you are doing does me no harm I will leave you the hell alone and I demand the reciprocal.
Do we really need a hell of a lot more than that.
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Exactly!
If what you are doing does me no harm I will leave you the hell alone and I demand the reciprocal.
Do we really need a hell of a lot more than that.
And "because it hurtz my feelingz" or "because it's SINFUL!!!" or "BUT THE CHILDREN!!" doesn't count as harm.
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If we left everyone alone how would we tell everyone what to do and make them do it? What is a body supposed to be busy with if we can't do that?
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If we left everyone alone how would we tell everyone what to do and make them do it? What is a body supposed to be busy with if we can't do that?
You'd just have to acquire a life of your own.
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I’m not saying government should do anything.
What I am saying is that a libertine nation of people with no common culture, traditions and religion will start to come apart at the seams. It’s no nation at all, nothing binds us together.
Hedonists, narcissists and atheists all want the benefits of stable religious cultures without having any foundation to base it on and that’s not how it works.
Your “leave me the hell alone” philosophy will get you exactly what we have now. Progressive morality police enforcing inverted morality and reality denying egalitarianism.
Nations are made up of a common people, culture and beliefs. We used to be a nation of Christians, Christians of all flavors.
We’re no longer a nation but an empire, many disparate tribes under one state. Our empire is not stable, all of our tribes are fighting for power and control. You will not be left alone, that’s a libertarian fantasy that never existed anywhere. You are every bit the unrealistic utopian that communists are.
Better wake up. Once we become a minority majority country you will get to feel all the love the teaming masses of 2nd and 3rd world people have for you. Nobody will be leaving you alone.