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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
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There hasn't been much discussion about the college entrance scam, but this article caught my attention. I thought FBI agents only did this to conservatives.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-felicity-huffman-college-cheating-arrest-20190312-story.html
When Felicity Huffman opened the door to her Los Angeles home at 6 a.m. Tuesday, she was met by FBI agents with their guns drawn, according a source familiar with the incident.
Laura Eimiller, an FBI spokeswoman, said the FBI did not use a a tactical team to arrest Huffman. “But all FBI agents are armed and may draw their weapons as a precautionary measured based on the circumstances during the execution of any warrant,” she added.
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So I've only been following it superficially, so I haven't seen any of the other players other than the two big-name (supposedly, I still have no idea who Felicity Huffman is) actresses involved.
Your article just informed me that Commissioner Gordon is dirty, too. I guess Gotham is just doomed to corrupt politicians.
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This is what I said when they arrested Roger Stone. Did they make a big deal out of it for show? Yes. Was it political in Stones case? Probably.
But they do the same dumb thing in many other cases just because they like to play commando. And then they shoot your dog.
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This is what I said when they arrested Roger Stone. Did they make a big deal out of it for show? Yes. Was it political in Stones case? Probably.
But they do the same dumb thing in many other cases just because they like to play commando. And then they shoot your dog.
Seriously. This was in LA. The FBI should have just Tweeted to her that she was under arrest.
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Seriously. This was in LA. The FBI should have just Tweeted to her that she was under arrest.
"This was in LA." could encompass some pretty bad areas so I am not sure that is the best argument. =D
However, this was a white collar crime committed by an actress and they were heading to what was likely a pretty nice house in a nice area. Their bosses should be demanding to know what they were afraid of that caused them to unholster their guns.
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The gestapo has gotta gestapo
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Does seem to be a rather disturbing trend lately of the FBI arresting non violent white collar criminals with enough firepower to take down a Mexican cartel
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The other "famous" actress, Lori Loughlin, involved in this operation, peacefully turned herself in the other day. Perhaps Huffman gave the middle finger to the investigators.
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Does seem to be a rather disturbing trend lately of the FBI arresting non violent white collar criminals with enough firepower to take down a Mexican cartel
If you haven't noticed, being rich is not "in" anymore.
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I'm just waiting for all of the arrests for college sportsball programs fixing scores and grades in order to get scholarships and admission to kids with 85 IQs who happen to be good at throwing a ball around....
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I'm just waiting for all of the arrests for college sportsball programs fixing scores and grades in order to get scholarships and admission to kids with 85 IQs who happen to be good at throwing a ball around....
To me, that's at least as bad as what these parents and administrators did. A lot more deserving students lost out on an education with the above than with the current scam.
As to the arrest, there are several ways to look at it:
Stone deserved it but the actress didn't (and vice versa)
It's wrong, but they did it to Stone, so the actress deserves it too (and vice versa)
It's wrong and neither of them deserved it.
Sadly, I think in today's climate, the last will be the minority opinion.
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I thought FBI agents only did this to conservatives.
(https://i.imgur.com/7UEW2dC.png)
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I'm just waiting for all of the arrests for college sportsball programs fixing scores and grades in order to get scholarships and admission to kids with 85 IQs who happen to be good at throwing a ball around....
It's coming, maybe not tomorrow, but it will happen. As long as scholarships are coming from the Athletic Dept revenues, this will be kicked down the road until later.
How many really prestigious schools excel in athletics. (or have top STEM students even play college sports).
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How many really prestigious schools excel in athletics. (or have top STEM students even play college sports).
The flagship state school in most states is considered somewhat prestigious...
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I'm wondering how many murderous illegal aliens are crossing state lines and how many foreign agents -actual spies working for Russia, Red China, etc. - are continuing to operate as the FBI is devoting considerable resources to college admission issues.
Maybe they have enough manpower to look into speeding on the interstates or jaywalking, too.
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I think that this is a long con to get Trump. Granted, his kids seem smarter than he is, but if you are sitting on a few billion you probably also know where strings are that can be pulled in your kid's favor.
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The flagship state school in most states is considered somewhat prestigious...
That depends very much on your definition of "prestigious."
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The flagship state school in most states is considered somewhat prestigious...
Most state schools are fairly easy to get into if you can afford the tuition/have the grades. If your kids is stupid (or lazy in HS), no state university is going to accept them as a freshman.
If you don't have the grades due to laziness, spend 1-2 years at a JuCo, come in as a sophomore/junior, still graduate with the sheep skin from that university.
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It's coming, maybe not tomorrow, but it will happen. As long as scholarships are coming from the Athletic Dept revenues, this will be kicked down the road until later.
How many really prestigious schools excel in athletics. (or have top STEM students even play college sports).
How many star athletes excel in academics? There are some but it's not the norm. College sports is a money maker for all involved. And that's why we will not see the FBI investigating that side of admissions.
Maybe they have enough manpower to look into speeding on the interstates or jaywalking, too.
I can imagine a time in the future they will show up at your door because the contractor who reviews the surveillance camera saw you jaywalking, and they'll have drawn guns because you had something unidentifiable in your hand. I remember in England a woman was ticketed because the cameras caught her with both hands off the wheel.
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The big issue with these crimes is not just that they were not athletes and brought in on athletic scholarships. It is also that they never participated in the sports. I might be a bit more forgiving of the student if they actually participated and put the work in. Of course, the bribery and cheating are bad enough to at least get the kid kicked out of school.
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I think that this is a long con to get Trump.
:rofl:
Well I hope QAnon has already worked this new development into their conspiracy. George Soros is certainly willing to sacrifice a few pawns in his Desperate Housewives / Full House sleeper cells to make the whole operation appear more legitimate.
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To me, that's at least as bad as what these parents and administrators did. A lot more deserving students lost out on an education with the above than with the current scam.
As to the arrest, there are several ways to look at it:
Stone deserved it but the actress didn't (and vice versa)
It's wrong, but they did it to Stone, so the actress deserves it too (and vice versa)
It's wrong and neither of them deserved it.
Sadly, I think in today's climate, the last will be the minority opinion.
One difference is that the FBI showed up at Stone's house with a full tactical team, armored vehicle, and helicopter. They didn't do that with Huffman, but for some reason they still thought drawing guns was necessary. They are either unnecessarily afraid of something or they are doing the Jack Boot thing. Both tell me they are not very professional.
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The other part I heard a number of people bringing up yesterday: None of these parents seemed to have any fear that their lazy and stupid children would flunk out once they were in school. Doesn't say much about the difficulty of these prestigious universities.
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The other part I heard a number of people bringing up yesterday: None of these parents seemed to have any fear that their lazy and stupid children would flunk out once they were in school. Doesn't say much about the difficulty of these prestigious universities.
One airhead was quoted as saying that she just wanted the whole college experience - ie the parties.
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Most state schools are fairly easy to get into if you can afford the tuition/have the grades. .
True.
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Why don't we just go ahead and drop all the pretense and start calling them what they have largely become? "Indoctrination Camps"
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Why do government agents execute warrants for nonviolent crimes with guns drawn?
This is despicable, and it happens all the time.... :mad:
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Why do government agents execute warrants for nonviolent crimes with guns drawn?
Because they like to play with guns, and it's much safer when they're fairly certain the victim subject doesn't have guns and won't shoot back.
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Why do government agents execute warrants for nonviolent crimes with guns drawn?
This is despicable, and it happens all the time.... :mad:
Write the angry orange man and ask him to sign an executive order stopping this practice.
or this is brewing up
https://bluenewsnetwork.com/new-bill-would-require-officers-to-call-supervisor-before-drawing-weapons/
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One airhead was quoted as saying that she just wanted the whole college experience - ie the parties.
I believe the same one who was partying on an alumni official's mega-yacht when all this went down, so it's not like they didn't have plenty of protection.
Also, many of the big league schools are incredibly paranoid about their reputation. A former girlfriend was a graduate of Harvard Law, and she said that once you were in, they ENSURED you graduated, no matter how many strings they had to pull to do it, even if you were a less than mediocre student. She said a few students were sent to I think the West Virginia Bar, which at the time I guess was one of the easiest to pass.
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I believe the same one who was partying on an alumni official's mega-yacht when all this went down, so it's not like they didn't have plenty of protection.
Also, many of the big league schools are incredibly paranoid about their reputation. A former girlfriend was a graduate of Harvard Law, and she said that once you were in, they ENSURED you graduated, no matter how many strings they had to pull to do it, even if you were a less than mediocre student. She said a few students were sent to I think the West Virginia Bar, which at the time I guess was one of the easiest to pass.
I've heard the same thing about the Ivy league schools, no one fails.
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Write the angry orange man and ask him to sign an executive order stopping this practice.
or this is brewing up
https://bluenewsnetwork.com/new-bill-would-require-officers-to-call-supervisor-before-drawing-weapons/
This deserves it own thread
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This deserves it own thread
naw, that bill will go no where.
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I'm just waiting for all of the arrests for college sportsball programs fixing scores and grades in order to get scholarships and admission to kids with 85 IQs who happen to be good at throwing a ball around....
I'm not into sports at all, but I guess I don't mind quite as much if a college is fudging scores, if they're giving a chance to kids whose non-athletic prospects aren't all that great. When it's kids who won the silver spoon lottery, and were born with all the advantages they really need, it's a bit different.
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naw, that bill will go no where.
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I was like, it has to be
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I've heard the same thing about the Ivy league schools, no one fails.
I have heard that said from more than a few sources now. It seems the separator is on who they let in. Once in, you are good to go. Sounds like a fraternity, not a university.
When I was going to Texas A&M, the freshman class was nearly half the total of undergraduate students. They assumed a number of them would fail to move on. There was lots of advice on how to avoid that, but it happened. Lots of engineering students dropped out to lesser degree plans or retook classes when they ran into a brick wall with certain subjects. I know a guy who graduated with over a 3.0 who took Calculus 3 times. It is hard for me to grasp going through college with no fear of flunking out or failing to measure up. I didn't have a great view of Ivy League schools to begin with. It is not higher now. For all I know Texas A&M is no better these days, but I hope not.
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When I was going to Texas A&M, the freshman class was nearly half the total of undergraduate students. They assumed a number of them would fail to move on. There was lots of advice on how to avoid that, but it happened. Lots of engineering students dropped out to lesser degree plans or retook classes when they ran into a brick wall with certain subjects. I know a guy who graduated with over a 3.0 who took Calculus 3 times. It is hard for me to grasp going through college with no fear of flunking out or failing to measure up. I didn't have a great view of Ivy League schools to begin with. It is not higher now. For all I know Texas A&M is no better these days, but I hope not.
During freshman orientation at the state school I attended, we were told to look around us at the other students... 1/2 would be gone by the end of the freshman year, and only 1 out of 3 were going to graduate. They didn't lie on either account.
I used to work for a guy (VP of R&D and production for a small company) who had a PhD from Harvard, who was the most worthless shitweasel I've ever seen. Long story short, I was tasked at process development of a a few new drugs for bigger companies, but Mr. Harvard didn't give me the tech packages, but instead gave me his own plans on how to make the drugs. They didn't work. When I finally got the tech packages, I was able to produce the molecules that were needed. He got fired.
The only thing that 'ivy league' impressed upon me is that they think everyone else is an idiot to be looked down upon.
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I'm not the slightest bit outraged over this scandal.
Rich and connected folks have always used their means to get their lackwit relatives unearned benefits.
I'm sure if we had records from 10,000 years ago people would be complaining about it then. "The only reason Niplixiblo is a Priest in the Temple of Muhaha is that his father gave 19 oxen, 57 goats, and a magic chicken to the Grand Seer! Outrageous!"
This is one of those "it just is" things.
What would matter is if they used their means to get their unqualified kids professional certifications which were then used to in real world applications, which being incompetently done led to harm for persons or property.
As far as I can tell these offspring were just going to be able to say they graduated from Corrupt University and have that be part of their bio for whatever benefit it brought them.
So no real harm there.
And certainly there is no justification for a guns-out dawn raid on one of the suspects.
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I was like, it has to be
Got me, I saw in my news feed yesterday. Queue sad trombone.
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During freshman orientation at the state school I attended, we were told to look around us at the other students... 1/2 would be gone by the end of the freshman year, and only 1 out of 3 were going to graduate. They didn't lie on either account.
I used to work for a guy (VP of R&D and production for a small company) who had a PhD from Harvard, who was the most worthless shitweasel I've ever seen. Long story short, I was tasked at process development of a a few new drugs for bigger companies, but Mr. Harvard didn't give me the tech packages, but instead gave me his own plans on how to make the drugs. They didn't work. When I finally got the tech packages, I was able to produce the molecules that were needed. He got fired.
The only thing that 'ivy league' impressed upon me is that they think everyone else is an idiot to be looked down upon.
The only example I have is an engineer from Harvard that worked at our corporate office for a few years. The only thing anyone remembers is that he was real quick to let everyone know he went to Harvard. Other than that, he was not exceptional.
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I'm not the slightest bit outraged over this scandal.
Rich and connected folks have always used their means to get their lackwit relatives unearned benefits.
I'm sure if we had records from 10,000 years ago people would be complaining about it then. "The only reason Niplixiblo is a Priest in the Temple of Muhaha is that his father gave 19 oxen, 57 goats, and a magic chicken to the Grand Seer! Outrageous!"
This is one of those "it just is" things.
What would matter is if they used their means to get their unqualified kids professional certifications which were then used to in real world applications, which being incompetently done led to harm for persons or property.
As far as I can tell these offspring were just going to be able to say they graduated from Corrupt University and have that be part of their bio for whatever benefit it brought them.
So no real harm there.
And certainly there is no justification for a guns-out dawn raid on one of the suspects.
True. I think people expect some of that to happen. That doesn't mean people like it and they don't expect flat out illegal stuff. If that rich guy donated a new building and the administration made an exception for his kid, I wouldn't really care. If the rich guy paid for a gaggle good tutors to coach his kid up to do better on the SAT, I wouldn't care. Both are more or less above board. When they bribe coaches to bring them in as athletes for a sport they never heard of or bribe testers to fix their SAT score, that sort of fraud goes a bit too far.
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The only thing that 'ivy league' impressed upon me is that they think everyone else is an idiot to be looked down upon.
Very much so. So much so, in fact ...
I once worked for an architecture firm that was owned by a brother and sister -- both architects. The brother had graduated from Yale Architecture, and he made it known on a regular basis. Then his sister came on board. SHE had graduated from Harvard's school or architecture and she made it quite clear that she was not only inherently superior to the rest of us by virtue of having graduated from Harvard, she was also vastly superior to her brother because he had "only" graduated from [lowly] Yale.
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If that rich guy donated a new building and the administration made an exception for his kid, I wouldn't really care. If the rich guy paid for a gaggle good tutors to coach his kid up to do better on the SAT, I wouldn't care. Both are more or less above board. When they bribe coaches to bring them in as athletes for a sport they never heard of or bribe testers to fix their SAT score, that sort of fraud goes a bit too far.
You're talking about the difference between long-standing, traditional baksheesh and outright fraud. Indeed, there is a distinction.
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Yep. This is criminal fraud, not an example of the old boy network, or "more white privilege" as I was just reading (no, I won't dignify it with a link). Now, I'm starting to hear that some Congress critters are jumping on the bandwagon, calling for federal oversight of college admission. No. Just no. The feds have no business in looking over who gets admitted to any college except the military academies. And having been through that process myself and with my son, I can assure you that's ripe with old boy club as much as standard college admissions.
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In clown world we arrest folks, with guns drawn, who cheat their way into universities while we provide free healthcare and education to those who cheat their way into the country.
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Why don't we just go ahead and drop all the pretense and start calling them what they have largely become? "Indoctrination Camps"
There used to be a site called noindoctrination (one word) dot org which took complaints about profs stepping over the line to present leftist and outrageously PC concepts in a positive way. The prof was given a chance to respond. The site established a data base of complaints searchable by either institution, complainant, or instructor.
This (from 2002) explained it at the time.
https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/8117/students-fight-back
It seemed to disappear after a while, and I figured that was too bad, because it was so well set up and had by then established a pretty good database of well-documented cases. I don't know what actually happened to it or the owner.
Terry, 230RN
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There used to be a site called noindoctrination (one word) dot org which took complaints about profs stepping over the line to present leftist and outrageously PC concepts in a positive way. The prof was given a chance to respond. The site established a data base of complaints searchable by either institution, complainant, or instructor.
This (from 2002) explained it at the time.
https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/8117/students-fight-back
It seemed to disappear after a while, and I figured that was too bad, because it was so well set up and had by then established a pretty good database of well-documented cases. I don't know what actually happened to it or the owner.
Terry, 230RN
Had shut down, there wasn’t enough storage capacity across the globe to hold all the data once it came streaming in :laugh: