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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on March 19, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/smoking-strong-pot-daily-raises-psychosis-risk-study-finds/?fbclid=IwAR34soq7TadSLX8Qn6KcPOs7ehbJG9i94PHdefIjc_bYQGdRMNqdI6gP9uM
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30048-3/fulltext
At least with legalization of marijuana becoming more common, we are starting to finally see some research on marijuana use. This interesting article looks at the increasing association between frequent use of high-potency marijuana and psychosis.
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Are we sure they controlled for Trump Derangement Syndrome as an unassessed variable?
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So, a drug known to cause psychosis is made stronger, and now causes more psychosis.
How much tax money did they get for that study?
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But, but, but alcohol!!11!!
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So, a drug known to cause psychosis is made stronger, and now causes more psychosis.
How much tax money did they get for that study?
Certainly no American tax money. From the article:
Funding source
Medical Research Council, the European Community's Seventh Framework Program grant, São Paulo Research Foundation, National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Biomedical Research Centre (BRC) at South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust and King's College London and the NIHR BRC at University College London, Wellcome Trust.
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Marijuana has always been known as being a mildly psychoactive drug.
I wonder if anyone has ever studied whether its effects make you more responsive to marketing, persuasion techniques and propaganda?
If you “sit around, get high and watch the tube” every night just how much of the “programming” do you naturally start to adopt as your world view?
The normal non-stoned effect of watching TV is trance like.
Now make it part of your nightly ritual to enter into a mildly altered state of consciousness zoning out for hours, passively absorbing leftist propaganda. Nightly conditioning.
I’m less concerned with folks getting high and more concerned about the combined effect of being high and getting bombarded with leftist propaganda/programming.
No wonder it’s becoming legal everywhere.
Of course I guess the same thing could happen to someone who gets stoned regularly and consumes hours of right wing YouTube videos etc.
Regarding regular use of the high potency stuff, go figure right?
Consuming highly psychoactive compounds regularly isn’t psychologically healthy.
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Do people that already have mild psychological issues gravitate to marijuana as an easy way out? Would the same users move to alcohol or other drugs if marijuana wasn't available?
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Do people that already have mild psychological issues gravitate to marijuana as an easy way out? Would the same users move to alcohol or other drugs if marijuana wasn't available?
Mild and not so mild, I'd say. A huge amount of drug use is people attempting to medicate their mental problems away, or at least better than what the medical establishment has given them.
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Studies like this have me re-considering my support for legalization. I don't think this stuff is as harmless as everyone thinks.
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Studies like this have me re-considering my support for legalization. I don't think this stuff is as harmless as everyone thinks.
I'm mostly ok with making it fully legal. Right after they come up with a field sobriety test that is at least as reliable as a properly administered breathalyzer test.
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Studies like this have me re-considering my support for legalization. I don't think this stuff is as harmless as everyone thinks.
That is one reason I was hoping the Feds would legalize it so you would see corporations making branded products. Then I think you would see the contents with more consistency and regulated thc levels. Not sure if that will help. I am no expert.
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As far as societal problems are concerned, the widespread popularity and use is a symptom of deeper cultural issues as well as personal.
I mostly agree with Firethorns assessment, it’s a coping mechanism.
Our culture is failing a lot of people and substance abuse is a result, imho.
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I'm mostly ok with making it fully legal. Right after they come up with a field sobriety test that is at least as reliable as a properly administered breathalyzer test.
https://www.duiease.com/test-for-marijuana-california/
http://www.proctorcars.com/how-do-alcohol-breathalyzers-work-and-how-accurate-are-they/
IMHO, you're either for legalization, or a statist.
Anyone who is small government or ever wants the government to butt the *expletive deleted*ck out of their business has no right mandating government regulate any drug.
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I'm mostly ok with making it fully legal. Right after they come up with a field sobriety test that is at least as reliable as a properly administered breathalyzer test.
That might be rendered largely moot soon with increasing automation. Also, the research on actual disabilities is still lacking. For example, in one study chronic users rated as safer drivers while high.
Jamis- I think Larry is more concerned about their effects on drivers on the road. Which is the most likely way a drug user would cause him harm.
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That might be rendered largely moot soon with increasing automation.
Real, true autonomous driving is at least a decade away from prime time.
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That might be rendered largely moot soon with increasing automation. Also, the research on actual disabilities is still lacking. For example, in one study chronic users rated as safer drivers while high.
Jamis- I think Larry is more concerned about their effects on drivers on the road. Which is the most likely way a drug user would cause him harm.
I get it. But it's always the battle cry of statism, that it's making us safer somehow. Billions of dollars, thousands of lives later....what do we get? A police state where you get locked up for possessing some plants that you can get high off of.
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It's never a good idea to base opinions or make decisions on a single study. Apparently, the study in the Lancet is from 2012 and even the author stated in 2018 “Short-term cannabis use in adolescence does not appear to cause IQ decline or impair executive functions, even when cannabis use reaches the level of dependence. Family background factors explain why adolescent cannabis users perform worse on IQ and executive function tests." (cite (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28734078))
More info with many links:
https://truthout.org/articles/latest-science-debunks-claim-that-marijuana-significantly-harms-brain/?link_id=4&can_id=58e481857044df13f6c26ed5ea6d9f4e&source=email-i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy-2&email_referrer=email_515480&email_subject=i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy (https://truthout.org/articles/latest-science-debunks-claim-that-marijuana-significantly-harms-brain/?link_id=4&can_id=58e481857044df13f6c26ed5ea6d9f4e&source=email-i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy-2&email_referrer=email_515480&email_subject=i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy)
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It's never a good idea to base opinions or make decisions on a single study. Apparently, the study in the Lancet is from 2012 and even the author stated in 2018 “Short-term cannabis use in adolescence does not appear to cause IQ decline or impair executive functions, even when cannabis use reaches the level of dependence. Family background factors explain why adolescent cannabis users perform worse on IQ and executive function tests." (cite (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28734078))
More info with many links:
https://truthout.org/articles/latest-science-debunks-claim-that-marijuana-significantly-harms-brain/?link_id=4&can_id=58e481857044df13f6c26ed5ea6d9f4e&source=email-i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy-2&email_referrer=email_515480&email_subject=i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy (https://truthout.org/articles/latest-science-debunks-claim-that-marijuana-significantly-harms-brain/?link_id=4&can_id=58e481857044df13f6c26ed5ea6d9f4e&source=email-i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy-2&email_referrer=email_515480&email_subject=i-read-the-news-today-oh-boy)
The Lancet study linked in the OP is not the 2012 study to which you refer. This is a new one with data taken from 2010-2015. There are more studies being done all the time, and a more complete picture of long term use is being formed.
Which is good. Even though I agree with Jamis on this topic, when choosing whether or not to partake of a drug, the more knowledge available about it's effects, the better.
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Just what this country needs, a bunch of crazy people running around puking everywhere. :(
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-library/diseases-and-conditions/c/cannabinoid-hyperemesis-syndrome.html
bob
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I'm mostly ok with making it fully legal. Right after they come up with a field sobriety test that is at least as reliable as a properly administered breathalyzer test.
Indeed. While I understand the impact that chemical impairment has on folks (I think I've spoken of The Long Island Iced-Tea Incident here in the past), the scariest impairment I've ever experienced first hand was due to just plain exhaustion. Made the road ahead of me look like a Salvador Dali painting. Also lost an old friend to a fatigue induced auto accident in 2005.
I've been watching this kind of technology for awhile now and fully support it over breathalyzers and the like if it does indeed work.
https://omigainc.com/