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Title: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MillCreek on July 06, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232374872.html

Arrested by the FBI in Manhattan.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 06, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Things may be getting very interesting very soon.



Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Andiron on July 06, 2019, 10:51:01 PM
What I think should happen to Epstein violates most platforms code of conduct..
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 07, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
What I think should happen to Epstein violates most platforms code of conduct..

Hopefully he flips to try and save his own skin.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Jamisjockey on July 07, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
Oh...wow. 
Considering the implications...lolita express...and his connections...
I'm moving this to politics.  I expect when he flips its going to be nasty.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: lee n. field on July 07, 2019, 10:05:24 AM
Oh...wow. 
Considering the implications...lolita express...and his connections...
I'm moving this to politics.  I expect when he flips its going to be nasty.

I'll be real surprised if there's much fallout from this.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Jamisjockey on July 07, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
I'll be real surprised if there's much fallout from this.

You don't think he'll name names to cut a deal?  Anyone slimy enough to traffic underage girls...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
I fully expect the media and the dems to do everything they can to drag Trump into this.

Case in point from the above article

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Last November, the Miami Herald published a series of stories, titled Perversion of Justice, that described the ways in which the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta, worked in conjunction with Epstein’s lawyers to engineer the non-prosecution agreement — and keep it secret from Epstein’s victims, so they could not object. Acosta is now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor.

He's not just the Sec of Labor, he's Donald Trump's Sec of Labor.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Jamisjockey on July 07, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

On second thought...I think Jeff will commit suicide soon...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 07, 2019, 11:03:33 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

On second thought...I think Jeff will commit suicide soon...

Either that or succumb to a "previously diagnosed heart condition" while in custody. No way will he ever give any meaningful testimony.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 07, 2019, 11:21:56 AM
Either that or succumb to a "previously diagnosed heart condition" while in custody. No way will he ever give any meaningful testimony.


That. The Clintons and the royal family are balls deep in this.
Id prefer a quick trial and execution, just so ‘we the people’ have the satisfaction of ending the SOB ourselves.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 07, 2019, 03:05:59 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Borgia

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Andiron on July 07, 2019, 05:11:20 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

On second thought...I think Jeff will commit suicide soon...

Beat me to it.

The "shot in the back of the head 3 times"  kind of suicide.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: lee n. field on July 07, 2019, 07:09:18 PM
You don't think he'll name names to cut a deal?  Anyone slimy enough to traffic underage girls...

He may, but I still think very little will come of it.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ben on July 07, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
What I'm seeing so far in the MSM, is digging for any "six degrees of separation" links to Trump. Like, apparently years ago, Trump made the comment that "Epstein likes them young" and they trying to twist that into "See, Trump is a child molester".

I see little MSM coverage regarding Clinton links, other than denying or justifying them.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Chester32141 on July 07, 2019, 07:46:14 PM

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The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk.  I’ll give you as much time as you want.  I’ll tell you what you need to know, and was very helpful, in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/prosecutor-in-2009-epstein-case-said-donald-trump-was-the-only-one-who-helped-him/
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 07, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
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Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 07, 2019, 08:04:42 PM
What I'm seeing so far in the MSM, is digging for any "six degrees of separation" links to Trump. Like, apparently years ago, Trump made the comment that "Epstein likes them young" and they trying to twist that into "See, Trump is a child molester".

I see little MSM coverage regarding Clinton links, other than denying or justifying them.

Hypothetically speaking, the media would bury stories of Bill Clinton choking under aged girls to death while having sex with them to make way for stories about how trump might have had a phone conversation with Epstein once.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: RocketMan on July 07, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
One thing for sure, only a couple of real low level sacrificial Democrats will get charged for wrong doing.  The major players like Clinton will skate.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 07, 2019, 10:16:41 PM
Hypothetically speaking, the media would bury stories of Bill Clinton choking under aged girls to death while having sex with them to make way for stories about how trump might have had a phone conversation with Epstein once.

Hypothetically? That implies something that could happen, physically, but would never really happen.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
Hypothetically speaking, the media would bury stories of Bill Clinton choking under aged girls to death while having sex with them to make way for stories about how trump might have had a phone conversation with Epstein once.

Or was seen within 10 miles of a Trump hotel
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 08, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
This, theoretically, could end up being a political slaughter and bloodbath.

Considering the Clintons are involved it’s not outside of the realm of possibility that there will be many other rich and powerful people being implicated.




Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 08, 2019, 11:26:23 AM
It's almost cute that some people think think that any "people that matter" will be affected by this.
 :mad:
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 08, 2019, 11:29:22 AM
It's almost cute that some people think think that any "people that matter" will be affected by this.
 :mad:

Hence my use of “theoretically”

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 08, 2019, 07:26:41 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-clinton-knows-nothing-about-financier-jeffrey-epsteins-terrible-crimes-former-presidents-spokesman-says

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foptionsmeister.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FSgt-Schultz2.jpg&hash=f932f6e714ffb776ba3290392fc83774953709bc)
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Andiron on July 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Barbells falling from the sky...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: gunsmith on July 08, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
i thought it would never make mainstream press.
youtube malcontent Mike Cernovich has been talking about this for yrs.
he filed the initial lawsuit afaik the miami herald took it up after.
the list of both R's and D's and upper echelon PD is horrible and interesting.

I recall bill clinton rape/assaults - i would not be surprised if he threatened teen girls after raping them.
i wouldn't be surprised if he killed one or three.

i also will not be surprised to see this go nowhere - even if they're all guilty.

Actually, i was surprised to see dershowitch involvement
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 09, 2019, 09:07:36 AM
The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MechAg94 on July 09, 2019, 09:07:51 AM
I heard on the radio that the authorities seized a porn collection that included teenage girls as young as 12.  I heard no mention of the sexual partner/predators that they were with in the videos.

I am curious where this is going also.  I am also doubtful anyone of consequence will go down over it.  If not, hopefully someone will leak the information (I don't want to see the video).  
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 09, 2019, 09:39:12 AM
The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.


First thing I thought of when I saw this thread, but I haven't followed Q lately.
They kind of lost me at 50K+ federal indictments for sex trafficking, but no follow through in over a year.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 09, 2019, 09:52:19 AM
First thing I thought of when I saw this thread, but I haven't followed Q lately.
They kind of lost me at 50K+ federal indictments for sex trafficking, but no follow through in over a year.

I follow a couple blogs that comment on Q and the anons.

The couple times I checked out the anons and Q it seemed mostly incoherent and purposefully vague.

There is a lot of propaganda, disinformation, fog of war, smoke and mirrors in the political sphere currently.

Who knows what to believe?

The best judgement we can make is who is doing what and what are they actually accomplishing?

By that standard Trump is still a white hat.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Pb on July 09, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
Q is a just a troll doing cold reading.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 09, 2019, 10:35:27 AM
Q is a just a troll doing cold reading.

Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.



Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 09, 2019, 10:45:44 AM
Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.






It's all too time consuming for me to follow. I remember just before the 2016 election, this man, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik , put out a series of videos detailing a battle between the deep state and 'White Hats' inside the NSA for control of the country, coup, and counter-coup. On the eve of the election, he was also predicting with certainty that Trump was going to win, and that we have all been grossly mislead by the media propaganda machine.

The things he said jive very closely with the whole Q message.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Pb on July 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.





So, what is the goal of Q now?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 09, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
So, what is the goal of Q now?
I have no idea.

Like brimic, some guys I read online are Q guys and they keep pumping out real interesting stuff that frequently ends up front page stories months later.

How much is true? How much is disinformation? Who it is or what the endgame is?

Couldn’t tell you.

Q purportedly is an insider working to drain the swamp. For however long he’s been around there has been a promise of a game changing “Storm” that will reveal the widespread corruption and treason in our government.

That’s about the extent of my knowledge of Q.

Knowing what I do know about propaganda, influence and the use of psychology upon the public it looks a lot like dissident propaganda meant to puncture and poke holes in the mainstream media narrative.





Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 09, 2019, 01:53:00 PM


Knowing what I do know about propaganda, influence and the use of psychology upon the public it looks a lot like dissident propaganda meant to puncture and poke holes in the mainstream media narrative.

If anything, Q and Trump have pretty much discredited any shred of integrity that the MSM may have had. A large portion of the country now is outwardly hostile or at least distrusting toward the media.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 10, 2019, 12:41:46 AM
Acosta claims he was told to stand down, Epstein was intelligences.


http://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 03:03:10 AM
Acosta claims he was told to stand down, Epstein was intelligences.


http://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/



I suppose if he were able to blackmail dozens, if not hundreds of important government officials around the world, it was very important that he be left alone.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 04:25:13 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Blondiedez/status/1147897801197662208/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1147897801197662208&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fusa%2F463794-clinton-epstein-whitewashed-wikipedia-google%2F
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: p12 on July 10, 2019, 07:06:07 AM
The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.


What is this Qverse you speak of?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 10, 2019, 08:01:19 AM
What is this Qverse you speak of?

That weird universe devoted to q on reddit, Twitter, gab and various blogs etc.

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 08:20:51 AM
What is this Qverse you speak of?

Its a long string of cryptic messages from 'Q' speaking of overturning the NWO, vampire lizard aliens that live underground, satanic child sacrifice/sex trafficking rings of the elite, and other weird stuff. 'Q' seems to be very close to Trump as they often put out very specific quotes or imagery that show up with minutes or hours later in a Trump tweet or campaign speech.
Most of it seems to be misdirection, but there is enough 'coincidences' that show up tied to 'Q' posts, that the leftist media is apoplectic over 'Q', and a lot of Trump supporters spend a lot of time trying to decrypt, decypher, or rationalize every word put out by 'Q.'
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ben on July 10, 2019, 08:21:37 AM
I still fail to understand the connection between Acosta the attorney and Acosta the Labor Secretary. He had bosses directing him when he was a gov attorney, and, as posted above, there was very likely high level pressure regarding the case at the time, given who all might be implicated. Also (IANAL), perhaps there really wasn't enough concrete evidence to prosecute, or perhaps they did the "first degree murder instead of manslaughter" thing where they could have proved "manslaughter" but somebody wanted to shoot for "murder", and the evidence just wasn't there for the more serious crime (even if everybody knew the more serious crime was committed).

People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 08:27:59 AM
The left will do some amazing verbal gymnastics to tie anything evil to Trump, after all, he isn't a reincarnation of Hitler, is is actually Hitler to them.

OTOH, if Trump were found to be a child diddler like a lot of elite government officials around the world, I wouldn't want him spared either.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: cordex on July 10, 2019, 08:55:51 AM
I still fail to understand the connection between Acosta the attorney and Acosta the Labor Secretary. He had bosses directing him when he was a gov attorney, and, as posted above, there was very likely high level pressure regarding the case at the time, given who all might be implicated. Also (IANAL), perhaps there really wasn't enough concrete evidence to prosecute, or perhaps they did the "first degree murder instead of manslaughter" thing where they could have proved "manslaughter" but somebody wanted to shoot for "murder", and the evidence just wasn't there for the more serious crime (even if everybody knew the more serious crime was committed).

People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.
If Acosta kid-gloved Epstein because of Epstein's powerful friends or out of any corruption then he should be held responsible and I don't care who his current boss is.  If his argument is that he was just following orders then I would hope he'd expose the people who put pressure on him to give Epstein a sweetheart plea deal.

Yes, the bad pun was intentional.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MechAg94 on July 10, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
The left will do some amazing verbal gymnastics to tie anything evil to Trump, after all, he isn't a reincarnation of Hitler, is is actually Hitler to them.

OTOH, if Trump were found to be a child diddler like a lot of elite government officials around the world, I wouldn't want him spared either.
The OTOH is pointless to even mention since there is no evidence or really even rumor that Trump has ever done this.  His tastes seem to be toward adult women and maybe porn stars.  

Yes, the left will do what they will do because to them the ends justify the means.  If they convince themselves their opponent is Hitler or Satan, then that justifies all sorts of things in the quest to get rid of him.  The sad part is they ignore and/or tolerate a lot of actual evil in going after their opponent. 
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 10, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
Interesting take I just ran across.

Epstein being arrested now is a firebreak line.

His circle of evil perverts realized they were still under threat, particularly because details from his previous sweetheart deal were going to be unsealed.

The presiding judge on this case = Clinton appointee

One of the leading prosecutors on the case = The daughter of James Comey.

They struck first to contain the damage.

Epstein might even offer some sacrificial lambs who either know little to nothing or who can be trusted not to flip.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 03:38:54 PM
Interesting take I just ran across.

Epstein being arrested now is a firebreak line.

His circle of evil perverts realized they were still under threat, particularly because details from his previous sweetheart deal were going to be unsealed.

The presiding judge on this case = Clinton appointee

One of the leading prosecutors on the case = The daughter of James Comey.

They struck first to contain the damage.

Epstein might even offer some sacrificial lambs who either know little to nothing or who can be trusted not to flip.

ugh. At this point, I'd be good with Epstein being black bagged, flown to gitmo, and having all of his contacts beaten out of him, and they in turn, get black bagged too.
Yeah, its against our constitution, and trampling rights, but when faced with pure evil, we shouldn't be arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MillCreek on July 10, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
ugh. At this point, I'd be good with Epstein being black bagged, flown to gitmo, and having all of his contacts beaten out of him, and they in turn, get black bagged too.
Yeah, its against our constitution, and trampling rights, but when faced with pure evil, we shouldn't be arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I myself would argue that is exactly the time when we should be following the rule of law. Had we been able to capture Bin Laden alive, I would have been thrilled to see him on trial in Federal Court in NYC and then left to rot in a clean, well-lighted cell at the Florence Supermax or left to contemplate his remaining days on Death Row at Terre Haute.  I suspect that between the various state and Federal actions, the truth will out with Mr. Epstein.

Edited to add: I Googled Terre Haute and was interested to see there are a little over 50 people on the Federal death row, and the last execution was back in 2003.  I wonder if there is some sort of official or unofficial moratorium on the penalty since some of the people there were sentenced to death over 20 years ago, and I would have thought their appeals would have run out by now.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2019, 04:50:33 PM
I myself would argue that is exactly the time when we should be following the rule of law. Had we been able to capture Bin Laden alive, I would have been thrilled to see him on trial in Federal Court in NYC and then left to rot in a clean, well-lighted cell at the Florence Supermax or left to contemplate his remaining days on Death Row at Terre Haute.

I would liked to have seen him pushed out of a helicopter hovering at the exact center point between where the 110 floors of Tower 1 & 2 used to be to hogs waiting below. Then play the video at Gitmo while they enjoy their mystery meat. Afterwards tell them where the meat came from.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 10, 2019, 05:01:35 PM

People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.

Maybe Schumer rode the Lolita Express a time or three ...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2019, 05:07:23 PM
People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.

Maybe Schumer rode the Lolita Express a time or three ...

Epstein ---> Clinton
Acosta ---> Trump (in their minds)
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 10, 2019, 05:43:25 PM
I myself would argue that is exactly the time when we should be following the rule of law. Had we been able to capture Bin Laden alive, I would have been thrilled to see him on trial in Federal Court in NYC and then left to rot in a clean, well-lighted cell at the Florence Supermax or left to contemplate his remaining days on Death Row at Terre Haute.  I suspect that between the various state and Federal actions, the truth will out with Mr. Epstein.

Edited to add: I Googled Terre Haute and was interested to see there are a little over 50 people on the Federal death row, and the last execution was back in 2003.  I wonder if there is some sort of official or unofficial moratorium on the penalty since some of the people there were sentenced to death over 20 years ago, and I would have thought their appeals would have run out by now.

Normally I would agree to that, but slavers and people who prey on children, along with their enablers are below human, they degrade the very definition of humanity.

Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2019, 06:44:20 PM
Went to my youtube page, every news video under Breaking News is Acosta Acosta Acosta Acosta Acosta
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 10, 2019, 11:11:38 PM
Normally I would agree to that, but slavers and people who prey on children, along with their enablers are below human, they degrade the very definition of humanity.

They may not be very good at being human, but human is what they are.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Scout26 on July 11, 2019, 07:12:46 PM
In yesterday's WSJ;

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In case you hadn’t heard, billionaire Jeffrey Epstein was charged on Monday in New York with child sex trafficking. But judging by the political reaction, you’d think Labor Secretary Alex Acosta was the arraigned miscreant. Democrats are now stringing up Mr. Acosta for prosecutorial judgments he made a decade ago as a U.S. Attorney despite no evidence of wrongdoing.

Mr. Epstein was indicted by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York on two counts of sex trafficking and conspiracy. According to the indictment, Mr. Epstein “sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in Manhattan, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida” between 2002 and 2005.
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The indictment details how Mr. Epstein allegedly paid young girls hundreds of dollars to give him nude massages that also involved sexual acts. He also paid three employees—not named in the indictment—to recruit other girls and schedule visits. Mr. Epstein also allegedly knew that his victims were underage. He has pleaded not guilty.

This is ugly stuff but most of it isn’t new. In 2008 Mr. Epstein pleaded guilty to soliciting underage prostitution under Florida law as part of a non-prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami that Mr. Acosta ran at the time. But Democrats and the media are flogging the new indictment as evidence that Mr. Acosta somehow acted improperly.

The innuendo is that Mr. Acosta went easy on a sexual predator as a favor to the Masters of the Universe who were known to socialize with Mr. Epstein, including Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, as well as his high-powered lawyers Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr. So Democrats are now demanding that Mr. Acosta resign his Cabinet post.

“It is now impossible for anyone to have confidence in Secretary Acosta’s ability to lead the Department of Labor,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer declared. But the U.S. Senate voted to confirm Mr. Acosta in 2017 with 60 votes, including eight Democrats. Senators knew about the 2008 Epstein plea deal when they voted for confirmation.

There’s nothing in the Epstein indictment to indicate that Mr. Acosta abused his power or violated his oath as U.S. Attorney. By all publicly available evidence, Mr. Acosta acted honorably and drove a tougher deal with Mr. Epstein than state prosecutors and some lower-level U.S. prosecutors sought.

The non-prosecution agreement required Mr. Epstein to cop to two state felonies that led to a 13-month jail sentence, register for life as a sex offender and pay restitution to victims as well as their attorney fees. Mr. Schumer’s friend, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., is the prosecutor who in 2011 sought to downgrade Mr. Epstein’s sex-offender status in New York where he was required to register because he had a home.

According to documents unsealed in a related federal case, low-level federal prosecutors initially sought to have Mr. Epstein plead guilty to a misdemeanor. Former state attorney Barry Krischer for unclear reasons also pushed for lighter charges.

But Mr. Acosta pushed back against Mr. Epstein’s lawyers. “The [U.S. attorneys] who have been negotiating with defense counsel have for some time complained to me regarding the tactics used by the defense team,’’ Mr. Acosta wrote to Mr. Starr. “It appears to them that as soon as resolution is reached on one issue, defense counsel finds ways to challenge the resolution collaterally.’’

Mr. Acosta also sought to ensure that victims’ rights were respected. “We intend to provide victims with notice of the federal resolution, as required by law,” Mr. Acosta wrote to a defense attorney who objected to victims being notified of the non-prosecution agreement.

Mr. Epstein’s lawyers contend that the non-prosecution agreement now provides him and his alleged co-conspirator broad immunity for sex-trafficking charges. But the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan says the deal covered only the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, and that new evidence supports sex-trafficking charges in New York.

Mr. Epstein will get his day in court, and even rich convicted felons deserve representation. But Democrats shouldn’t get away with implying that Mr. Acosta is guilty of prosecutorial abuses without evidence. President Trump shouldn’t throw Mr. Acosta to the same mob that has indicted him without evidence of colluding with the Russians.

Copyright ©2019 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 87990cbe856818d5eddac44c7b1cdeb8

Appeared in the July 10, 2019, print edition.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Mr. Acosta did not have all the evidence and testimony that the Miami Herald has uncovered subsequent to the case.
Title: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Boomhauer on July 11, 2019, 07:24:54 PM
I myself would argue that is exactly the time when we should be following the rule of law. Had we been able to capture Bin Laden alive, I would have been thrilled to see him on trial in Federal Court in NYC and then left to rot in a clean, well-lighted cell at the Florence Supermax or left to contemplate his remaining days on Death Row at Terre Haute.  I suspect that between the various state and Federal actions, the truth will out with Mr. Epstein.

Edited to add: I Googled Terre Haute and was interested to see there are a little over 50 people on the Federal death row, and the last execution was back in 2003.  I wonder if there is some sort of official or unofficial moratorium on the penalty since some of the people there were sentenced to death over 20 years ago, and I would have thought their appeals would have run out by now.

*expletive deleted*ck the rule of law. All my life I’ve seen the “rule of law” let predators of all kinds, molesters, rapists, thieves, and murderers go to offend again.

I’m glad they shot Bin Laden in the face or we’d have some liberal *expletive deleted*s wanting to pardon him or release him after 10 years or some *expletive deleted*it.

Epstein will hide behind the “rule of law” and *expletive deleted*it won’t happen, again. He’s already a sex offender, doesn’t seem to have slowed his roll yet.



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Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Andiron on July 11, 2019, 08:28:30 PM
*expletive deleted*ck the rule of law. All my life I’ve seen the “rule of law” let predators of all kinds, molesters, rapists, thieves, and murderers go to offend again.

I’m glad they shot Bin Laden in the face or we’d have some liberal *expletive deleted*s wanting to pardon him or release him after 10 years or some *expletive deleted*it.

Epstein will hide behind the “rule of law” and *expletive deleted*it won’t happen, again. He’s already a sex offender, doesn’t seem to have slowed his roll yet.



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Slow clap.

And that,  in an angry rant sums up my worldview of the current state of things.  Off to Western Rifle Shooters..
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
BREAKING: Labor Secretary Acosta Stepping Down
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/07/12/acosta-stepping-down-n2549970
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MechAg94 on July 12, 2019, 11:17:20 AM
*expletive deleted*ck the rule of law. All my life I’ve seen the “rule of law” let predators of all kinds, molesters, rapists, thieves, and murderers go to offend again.

I’m glad they shot Bin Laden in the face or we’d have some liberal *expletive deleted*s wanting to pardon him or release him after 10 years or some *expletive deleted*it.

Epstein will hide behind the “rule of law” and *expletive deleted*it won’t happen, again. He’s already a sex offender, doesn’t seem to have slowed his roll yet.



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On top of that, I heard the New York prosecutors and police did not enforce the "sex offender" rules.  He was allowed to avoid most of the requirements. 
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MechAg94 on July 12, 2019, 12:31:23 PM
http://michellemalkin.com/2019/07/10/epstein-bean-buck-the-democratic-donors-sex-creep-club/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Epstein, Bean & Buck: The Democratic Donors’ Sex-Creep Club
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: bedlamite on July 13, 2019, 09:33:59 AM
(https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/general-chit-chat/2937018d1562907635-jeffery-epstein-8688bd00-58e9-4d11-ba72-d1c04903fde7.jpeg)
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: 230RN on July 13, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
All the above logic and analysis means nothing.

"Acosta Bad ! Acosta Bad ! Acosta Bad ! Acosta Bad ! Acosta Bad !" was what counted.  See Reply #59.

I call it the Rule of Jaw.  Bad pun, but that's what I call it.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 22, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R6-gUqNPi4I

Mark my words, this man is ‘Q’ or strongly associated with ‘Q’.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 22, 2019, 11:07:00 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R6-gUqNPi4I

Mark my words, this man is ‘Q’ or strongly associated with ‘Q’.



One of my Conspiracy Coworker's intel sources. FWIW.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 23, 2019, 03:38:53 PM

One of my Conspiracy Coworker's intel sources. FWIW.

Steve P is probably one of the scariest men alive. He’s a long time spook and probably orchestrated several ‘regime changes.’ He’s put out a lot of information since before Trump got elected, though it’s impossible to discern information from disinformation.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: gunsmith on July 25, 2019, 12:40:56 AM
he just "tried to commit suicide"

 why am I having a difficult time believing this?
its all fun and games until its time to pay, isn't it.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 25, 2019, 01:44:00 AM
he just "tried to commit suicide"


Who? Epstein?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: p12 on July 25, 2019, 06:20:19 AM
Who? Epstein?

Yep. 

https://www.facebook.com/95475020353/posts/10163339957570354?s=100001610913131&sfns=mo

Only link I’ve found that I could copy.


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Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: 230RN on July 25, 2019, 06:59:41 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/07/24/jeffrey-epstein-found-nearly-unconscious-with-injuries-to-his-neck-in-nyc-jail-cell/

Quote
It’s unclear how Epstein suffered his neck injuries.

Investigators believe Epstein may have done it to himself either on purpose or as a ploy to get transferred out of the jail, sources said.

It was also possible that Epstein was attacked by another inmate, the sources added.

My undersanding is that pedophiles and child abusers in general don't do well in the general prison population.

Terry, 230RN

P.S.  "...may have done it to himself either on purpose or as a ploy to get transferred..."

Both would be "on purpose."  I think what the writer meant was "... either as an actual suicide attempt or as a ploy..."
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 25, 2019, 08:12:18 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/07/24/jeffrey-epstein-found-nearly-unconscious-with-injuries-to-his-neck-in-nyc-jail-cell/

My undersanding is that pedophiles and child abusers in general don't do well in the general prison population.

Terry, 230RN

P.S.  "...may have done it to himself either on purpose or as a ploy to get transferred..."

Both would be "on purpose."  I think what the writer meant was "... either as an actual suicide attempt or as a ploy..."


I hope Epstein stays in perfect health until he’s convicted. I he can’t be suicided, I suspect that he’s going to have some sort of mental health issues coming up that leave him unable to testify to anything. =|
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: K Frame on July 25, 2019, 11:06:18 AM
I heard speculation this morning that it wasn't a suicide attempt but an attempt to get out of the facility in which he's being kept. He's made numerous complaints about the food, insect infestations, the temperature, etc.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2019, 11:07:22 AM
I heard speculation this morning that it wasn't a suicide attempt but an attempt to get out of the facility in which he's being kept. He's made numerous complaints about the food, insect infestations, the temperature, etc.

The poor baby
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
Possible attack according to this

Quote
Investigators are trying to piece together what happened, and have spoken to an accused killer who one source says may have attacked Epstein.

However, the fourth source says an assault has not been ruled out, and that another inmate has been questioned. The inmate who investigators have talked to in Lower Manhattan facility has been identified as Nicholas Tartaglione, according to a source. Tartaglione is a former Orange County police officer who was arrested in December 2016 and accused of killing four men in an alleged cocaine distribution conspiracy, then burying their bodies in his yard in Otisville, according to court records.
Report: Jeffrey Epstein Found ‘Semi-Conscious’ in Jail Cell After Possible Attack
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/24/report-jeffrey-epstein-found-semi-conscious-in-jail-cell-after-possible-attack/
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: gunsmith on July 25, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
   He was found with marks on his neck and crying on the floor.
Confounded vampires!
 :lol:
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
  He was found with marks on his neck and crying on the floor.
Confounded vampires!
 :lol:

Or maybe he was raped. Karma and all
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: gunsmith on July 25, 2019, 11:28:02 PM
could be, i just want him alive long enough to name names
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 29, 2019, 08:58:59 AM
Interesting if somewhat rambling article about our fake news narrative control.

Many stories are only covered if they blow up and the media establishment is forced to cover them.

 http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 29, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
Interesting if somewhat rambling article about our fake news narrative control.

Many stories are only covered if they blow up and the media establishment is forced to cover them.

 http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/

 [tinfoil]I've read on the interwebs late at night that Mccain's brain cancer, ted kennedy's brain cancer, and HRC's 'cognitive issues' wasn't cancer, but kuru from cannibalism.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: WLJ on July 29, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
[tinfoil]I've read on the interwebs late at night that Mccain's brain cancer, ted kennedy's brain cancer, and HRC's 'cognitive issues' wasn't cancer, but kuru from cannibalism.  [tinfoil]

In Hillary's case I'm not sure it could be called cannibalism   >:D
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Pb on July 29, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
[tinfoil]I've read on the interwebs late at night that Mccain's brain cancer, ted kennedy's brain cancer, and HRC's 'cognitive issues' wasn't cancer, but kuru from cannibalism.  [tinfoil]

Seems legit...
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 29, 2019, 09:51:46 AM
Seems legit...

Has to be, I read it on the interwebz.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Scout26 on July 29, 2019, 10:00:27 AM
In a couple of recent public appearances, Merkel has been seen to be visibily shaking.

 [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: lee n. field on July 29, 2019, 10:53:11 AM
[tinfoil]I've read on the interwebs late at night that Mccain's brain cancer, ted kennedy's brain cancer, and HRC's 'cognitive issues' wasn't cancer, but kuru from cannibalism.  [tinfoil]

Would fit the "we are ruled by the depraved" narrative.

"It's a conspiracy!"
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: MechAg94 on July 29, 2019, 10:55:38 AM
Interesting if somewhat rambling article about our fake news narrative control.

Many stories are only covered if they blow up and the media establishment is forced to cover them.

 http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/

I had no idea Dennis Hastert was convicted of anything or that he was accused as a child mollester. 
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/dennis_hastert_sentenced
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 29, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
I had no idea Dennis Hastert was convicted of anything or that he was accused as a child molester.  
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/dennis_hastert_sentenced

Being in Illinois, it was harder to disappear the story from us here in his state.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on July 29, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
Over the last decade I've gone from rejecting "conspiracy" stories outright to going "hmmm, I really don't know".



Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 29, 2019, 01:17:02 PM
Would fit the "we are ruled by the depraved" narrative.

"It's a conspiracy!"

But ... is it a "vast, right-wing" conspiracy?
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: brimic on July 29, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
Over the last decade I've gone from rejecting "conspiracy" stories outright to going "hmmm, I really don't know".





Yeah, pretty much. Stuff we laugh about today might be real 2 years from now....
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Pb on July 29, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
I had no idea Dennis Hastert was convicted of anything or that he was accused as a child mollester. 
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/dennis_hastert_sentenced

Sadly enough, he was only convicted of "structuring" payments of hush money, not for the actual child rape.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ben on August 01, 2019, 09:01:46 AM
Man, looks like Epstein was a wanna-be Bond villain:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/epstein-paid-harvard-scientists-to-bioengineer-his-own-human-race
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Ron on August 01, 2019, 10:01:33 AM
Man, looks like Epstein was a wanna-be Bond villain:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/epstein-paid-harvard-scientists-to-bioengineer-his-own-human-race

The world is filled with Bond villains.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: fifth_column on August 01, 2019, 10:11:27 AM
Man, looks like Epstein was a wanna-be Bond villain:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/epstein-paid-harvard-scientists-to-bioengineer-his-own-human-race

Quote
"There is no evidence to suggest Epstein has been successful in engineering his elitist race."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: gunsmith on August 01, 2019, 11:04:25 PM
this lady is investigating - interesting.
i think the press is putting "crazy" stuff out there to create confusion and disinterest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzmrlw7Gjo
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 01, 2019, 11:17:24 PM
Over the last decade I've gone from rejecting "conspiracy" stories outright to going "hmmm, I really don't know".

Then there's that crazy conspiracy story about the Democrats spying on a Republican pres. campaign, and fabricating various crimes to bring down the winner of the election.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 02, 2019, 06:26:43 AM
I guess we're gonna have to watch how we talk about those conspiracy theories now.

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html (https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html)
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 02, 2019, 08:40:26 AM
I guess we're gonna have to watch how we talk about those conspiracy theories now.

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html (https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html)

Hmmm ...

Quote
“The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the document states. It also goes on to say the FBI believes conspiracy theory-driven extremists are likely to increase during the 2020 presidential election cycle.

Okay, as long as they keep antifa and their TRUMP=RUSSIA conspiracy theory at the top of the list, I'll go along. I have no use for violent extremeists of any persuasion. The problem is that I have no faith that the FBI will focus on the very real and very violent acts of antifa. I expect that the FBI will, instead, pursue harmless conservatives who subscribe to a conspiracy theory or two but who aren't even potentially violent, and let antifa continue their virulent violence unchecked.
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Viking on August 09, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
[tinfoil]I've read on the interwebs late at night that Mccain's brain cancer, ted kennedy's brain cancer, and HRC's 'cognitive issues' wasn't cancer, but kuru from cannibalism.  [tinfoil]
I've thought about this topic for a while now. I can't remember who it was, but some rich degenerate got off with a slap on the wrist for raping his own 3 year old kid. With that in mind (shudders), what could be so bad that Epstein is found "having attempted suicide"? What level of depravity have they sunk to that money and influence cannot save them from? Also if you have some juicy sources I would like to read them.

Also, do google the name of Epstein's associate, Ghislaine Maxwell. In my suggested searches, her name autocompletes with "Madeleine McCann". She does look very much like one of the facial composite pictures of a woman who was of interest in the investigation. Hmmmm. [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 09, 2019, 08:15:14 PM
   He was found with marks on his neck and crying on the floor.
Confounded vampires!
 :lol:

Check his phone log for calls to Jussie Smollet