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Dayton, Ohio shooting leaves 9 dead, 16 wounded; suspect shot to death by cops, police say
https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-10-may-be-dead-in-dayton-ohio-gunfire-reports
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This is bullshit.
This will not end well.
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I know exactly where that took place. My company’s Dayton office, when it was open, was a block or so off of 5th Ave which is the main drag for the Oregon district.
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Got a feeling this and the other two the past few days may push Congress, and maybe even Trump, over the "it's for the children" edge. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see.
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This...
The NRA infighting...
Trump not a 2A supporter...
Starting to hear more and more gun owners say "maybe some gun control isn't a bad idea"...
I think "universal background checks" (whatever the hell that means), an end of "the gun show loophole" (even though there is no such loophole), and at least a new AWB are headed our way.
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Officers killed the lone suspect after he fired for less than a minute from a ".223 high-capacity" gun, and he had additional magazines with him, Mayor Nan Whaley said. The .223 caliber is used in rifles like the AR-15 assault rifle used in previous mass shootings.
Deb Decker, public information officer for Montgomery County, said the shooter used an assault rifle.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html
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This...
The NRA infighting...
Trump not a 2A supporter...
Starting to hear more and more gun owners say "maybe some gun control isn't a bad idea"...
I think "universal background checks" (whatever the hell that means), an end of "the gun show loophole" (even though there is no such loophole), and at least a new AWB are headed our way.
Yeah, with 2020 elections on the way, the dems will go full bore, and the Rs will look to "moderate" their positions.
I was going to buy a couple of stripped lowers soon anyway for future builds, but will probably now do so this week, just in case people start doing panic pricing.
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Yeah, with 2020 elections on the way, the dems will go full bore, and the Rs will look to "moderate" their positions.
I was going to buy a couple of stripped lowers soon anyway for future builds, but will probably now do so this week, just in case people start doing panic pricing.
Mags. Buy mags.
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Mags. Buy mags.
I had planned on doing that the next time PSA has one of those "10 Pmags and a boatload of ammo" sales.
I'm going to see how things go and try not to do any panic buying, except maybe for ammo for the .300 Blackout that I don't own yet. :)
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Mags. Buy mags.
This.
It will take a while to pull together some gun banning legislation, banning normal capacity mags can be done with the stroke of a pen.
bob
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It was just released that the youngest of the victims in Dayton was the shooter's sister. This is either something you could never lay odds on or she may have been targeted. Weirder things have happened. I wonder if this will be the last we hear of the sister/brother connection?
bob
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It was just released that the youngest of the victims in Dayton was the shooter's sister. This is either something you could never lay odds on or she may have been targeted. Weirder things have happened. I wonder if this will be the last we hear of the sister/brother connection?
That's too much of a coincidence to have been a coincidence.
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Honor killing gone nuclear?
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Honor killing gone nuclear?
If it has anything to do with that, we'll never hear about it.
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I had planned on doing that the next time PSA has one of those "10 Pmags and a boatload of ammo" sales.
I'm going to see how things go and try not to do any panic buying, except maybe for ammo for the .300 Blackout that I don't own yet. :)
https://palmettostatearmory.com/american-eagle-5-56mm-fmjbt-ammunition-1000rds-ten-10-magpul-pmag-30-5-56x45mm-magazines.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/1000-rds-american-eagle-5-56mm-fmj-steel-core-ammo-ten-magpul-pmag-30-5-56x45mm-magazines.html
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https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”
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https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
Interesting. Now we can start tallying how much Dayton is in the news cycle compared to El Paso, and the news slant regarding each shooting.
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Doesn't matter. In the eyes of the media
El Paso = Trump inspired shooter
Dayton = Triggered by Trump
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Sounds like a good time to call your Congressman to put in your two cents in about not wanting more gun control.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson attempts to inject some perspective into the debate, and gets roasted for it:
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
(a pity; he actually makes some valid points)
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[https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-massacre-bar
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-massacre-bar
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Cleaning up badly-formatted links ;)
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7:02 a.m. on August 5. HLN reporting that Trump is tweeting his support for universal background checks and other gun control measures so the dead didn't "die in vain."
Cue panic buying in 3....2....1....
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7:02 a.m. on August 5. HLN reporting that Trump is tweeting his support for universal background checks and other gun control measures so the dead didn't "die in vain."
Cue panic buying in 3....2....1....
I think it already did. Bedlamite's links are already out of stock, as well as another link for mags that BobR PM'd me.
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Several places are OOS on a lot of items this morning.
ETA: SGA still has 9 cases left:
https://www.sgammo.com/product/223-556mm-ammo/1000-round-loose-pack-case-223-federal-american-eagle-55-grain-fmj-loose-pack
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Several places are OOS on a lot of items this morning.
Yeah, I should have listened to you guys. I ordered my stripped lowers yesterday, but should have bought a mags or a mags+ammo PSA deal. This morning (0530MDT), I went to buy one the deals you all linked to, and "sold out". I saw individual Gen2 mags are still available at locally to me Impact Guns for $12.
I try to avoid panic buys and prefer to just wait things out, but being new to the AR platform, I don't currently have the reserves that I have with my other most used guns. I'm sitting on a dozen Pmags and around 1000 rounds. I'd like to be double that on mags and triple that on ammo (at reasonable prices).
Ya snooze, ya lose I guess.
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Sent email to LGS this morning, owned by a friend. If it's a mag that holds more than 10 rounds, they're out, and have no estimate as to when more may be available from their distributor. Hoping to get more Glock mags, and mags for my new Px4. Guess I'll be shopping online...
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I ordered a few lancer mags yesterday. Didn't notice any out of stock issues, but these things can happen fast.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158330512341164032
Here is Trump's tweet from this morning suggesting "strong background checks" be combined with a border security bill.
Dan Crenshaw got in on the act talking about Red Flag laws and the TAPS act.
https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1158059710609788929
I have only heard a little about the TAPS act. I didn't like what I heard. Something about the govt setting up a profile of everyone. Something to look at later.
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Got to love Vox (that was sarcasm BTW)
Vox: The Only Way to ‘Do Something’ About Gun Violence is Nationwide Confiscation
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vox-the-only-way-to-do-something-about-gun-violence-is-nationwide-confiscation/
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Workplace rumors are that Sherrod Brown's office was conferencing with other Dems yesterday, and they have goals in mind as follows:
1. Universal background checks, with a required check for ammo purchases
2. AWB, with assault weapon defined as a center fire semi-auto rifle. Period. Some discussion of including handguns capable of using magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of center fire ammunition. Also talk of a no grandfather clause. with a ban on possession/mandatory buy backs.
3. 10 round mag cap.
4. Ban on internet sales of firearms and ammunition.
5. Federal "red flag" law
6. Ban on civilian possession of body armor
7. Ammunition sale cap. 100 rounds per month of centerfire ammunition. Which would only work if they create a tracking registry with the background checks...
Word is that the Rs are open to negotiation on some of these, notably background checks (for guns and ammo), AWB, red flag, and mag limits.
I'll share more as I listen...
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Winchester 94 -- the original assault rifle
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-94.html
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Dan Crenshaw got in on the act talking about Red Flag laws and the TAPS act.
https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1158059710609788929
This is where I get worried that it's not just short term reaction. Usually immediately after one of these, the dems call for crazy bans and (most of) the Rs talk about how we already have laws that address the issue. When you have people like Crenshaw talking about "doing something", you can bet that it's Rs circling their political wagons and strategizing for election time.
We always mention here that whatever else you can say about the dems, when their leadership tells them to circle the wagons, most of them do it, while Rs don't do that because they are too diverse and independent-minded. It will be somewhat infuriating if the one time the Rs all come together for political expediency, that it will be for gun control.
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They showed the shooter's gun in the video below, including a closeup that showed an Anderson lower. Hopefully we won't be hearing "ghost gun".
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6068227076001/#sp=show-clips
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This is where I get worried that it's not just short term reaction. Usually immediately after one of these, the dems call for crazy bans and (most of) the Rs talk about how we already have laws that address the issue. When you have people like Crenshaw talking about "doing something", you can bet that it's Rs circling their political wagons and strategizing for election time.
We always mention here that whatever else you can say about the dems, when their leadership tells them to circle the wagons, most of them do it, while Rs don't do that because they are too diverse and independent-minded. It will be somewhat infuriating if the one time the Rs all come together for political expediency, that it will be for gun control.
I think Crenshaw was already supporting some version of the red flag laws and the TAPS act. I don't think it is new for him, just the first time I have ever heard him mention it.
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I think Crenshaw was already supporting some version of the red flag laws and the TAPS act. I don't think it is new for him, just the first time I have ever heard him mention it.
Yes, he has. I saw a piece on that a few months ago. The TAPS act is garbage and should be thrown away along with the PATRIOT act.
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President Trump Demands the Death Penalty For Mass Shooters, White Supremacists Who Commit Hate Crimes
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/08/05/trump-gun-control-speech-n2551163
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7:02 a.m. on August 5. HLN reporting that Trump is tweeting his support for universal background checks and other gun control measures so the dead didn't "die in vain."
Cue panic buying in 3....2....1....
*expletive deleted*ck 'em.
I had time before I deployed to start doing basic function testing on my 100% home made 30 rd mag. I got several hundred rounds through it with no malfunctions. Officially, it's just for grins, but Defense Distributed has a point.
3D printed the mag body, base plate, and follower. 3D printed the form for the spring, and wound it out of spring wire sourced online.
I'm self sufficient on AR mags now.
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Winchester 94 -- the original assault rifle
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-94.html
I've generally preferred Marlins.
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I wonder how close we are to the Matthew Bracken moment where we tip over the legislative edge into an eventual total ban on firearms ownership. In his books it occurred over the span of several years with increasing numbers and types of firearms being prohibited for civilian ownership after the first bans were put in place. IIRC, civilians were allowed to own only single shot rimfires and shotguns.
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I wonder how close we are to the Matthew Bracken moment where we tip over the legislative edge into a total ban on firearms ownership. In his books it occurred over the span of several years with increasing numbers and types of firearms being prohibited for civilian ownership.
I've run through that thought process as well. And so have a lot of Dem strategists. Their problem is that there are now a series of cases where the courts have upheld the rights of individuals to own firearms, with Heller being the most famous. So, should they just introduce a bill to outright ban firearms ownership/possession, given the state of the case law, it would get knocked down as unconstitutional fairly quickly. And, because it is a constitutional rights issue, an action to seek declaratory judgment would work. In other words, a citizen could file the suit to have such a law declared unconstitutional, and not have to wait for someone to be arrested and charged for the case to go through the process.
Their only recourse would be a repeal of 2A. So,either get the measure approved by a 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate. or call for a Constitutional Convention (which has never successfully been done). The measure then goes on the ballots of all 50 states . To be successful, they have to pass the measure in 3/4 of the states. 38 states have to approve of the measure to work. Now, I'm sure we can name states where it would pass, no problem. And states where it would fail, no problem. As soon as it fails in 13 states, it's dead.
Until they try to change the amendment process, like they are talking about eliminating the Electoral College...
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Also, the smart legislators are being a little careful. Folks are much more litigious now, and there is case law on individual ownership.
Remember, Miller said that the NFA was constitutional because the SBS in question wasn't useful in the militia. Specifically they said:
In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense.
The implication being that if it HAD been of use in the militia for common defense, it may have been protected. (Note I said may)
I think smart dems are as leery of bring an AR before the court while an M4 is THE weapon in use for common defense.
They are as leery of rolling the dice on SCOTUS as we were before Heller.
So lots of smoke and fire. Background check. Mag limits. Maybe "pistol" braces. But they (the smart ones) don't want to give us a hill to live or die on. (Metaphorically)
I also suspect they know they can expect ban compliance numbers lower than Australia and New Zealand's, which brings up the "now what" question.
The more ideological dems, or the dumber ones, haven't made those calculations, but the career Dems, I think, have.
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Go home, Joe, and take your meds:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan
Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.
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Go home, Joe, and take your meds:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan
I'm starting to think someone is putting something in his Ensure. Seems like he was fine then not overnight.
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NYT Opinion page on the shootings. I expect this kind of smarmy language to be the norm as this progresses. Instead of "far right El Paso" and "far left Dayton", it's "Far right nutjob in El Paso and some unknown generic guy in Dayton".
The right-wing political extremist who gunned down nearly two dozen people at an El Paso Walmart on Saturday and the man who shot and killed nine people only hours later in a downtown area of Dayton, Ohio, both unleashed their savage attacks thanks to military-style rifles. Just as culpable for the carnage, however, were the large-capacity magazines that enabled these shooters to discharge many rounds of ammo without reloading.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/opinion/dayton-gun-laws-shooting.html
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And they're beating this drum again
Lies are truth, just ask Orwell
Shortly after taking office, President Trump quietly rolled back an Obama-era, post-Sandy Hook massacre regulation that would have made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns. https://t.co/mtZ0uF8vdd
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 5, 2019
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/08/05/every-time-blue-checks-and-firefighters-re-up-lie-about-trump-admin-making-it-easier-for-severely-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns/
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https://start.att.net/news/read/article/the_associated_press-classmates_ohio_shooter_kept_a_hit_list_and_a_rape-ap/category/news
High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended years ago for compiling a "hit list" and a "rape list," and questioned how he could have been allowed to buy the military-style weapon used in this weekend's attack.
Sounds like the Ohio case was the usual case of a person who is pretty crazy already but managed to avoid doing anything that would get him on the prohibited list. I wonder what else he did that was ignored.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Booker: I Don’t Welcome Trump’s Statement on Condemning Bigotry – Healing Starts With Saying ‘I’ve Made Mistakes’
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/05/booker-i-dont-welcome-trumps-statement-on-condemning-bigotry-healing-starts-with-saying-ive-made-mistakes/
And this one
If he doesn't go to El Paso the Dems will then say he doesn't care
Beto O’Rourke Tells Trump: Stay out of El Paso
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/beto-orourke-calls-on-trump-not-to-visit-el-paso-he-has-no-place-here/
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Just for a light-hearted breather amid the politics and anxiety:
I don't know if O'Neill really is for banning violent video games or was just trolling, but his burn on this guy is hilarious. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/08/05/talk-of-banning-violent-video-games-leads-to-best-own-of-2019/
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dayton guy was "anti fascist"
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j5yekp/exclusive-dayton-shooter-was-in-a-pornogrind-band-that-released-songs-about-raping-and-killing-women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2K7FRV4UE
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Just for a light-hearted breather amid the politics and anxiety:
I don't know if O'Neill really is for banning violent video games or was just trolling, but his burn on this guy is hilarious. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/08/05/talk-of-banning-violent-video-games-leads-to-best-own-of-2019/
Brevity is the soul of burn.
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The Wall Street Journal reports on the firearm used - apparently an SBR with brace. They were unclear on if it was home built or not. Considering the guy was apparently very anti-gun, I find the firearm used interesting. How many anti-gunners would build a gun? Or would buy a rather expensive gun from Anderson (prices on their website seem to hover close to $1000) versus one of the more well-known manufacturers?
It was also interesting the way the WSJ talked about the brace. It was almost a bump stock like commentary, as if the brace would be of more benefit than a standard stock.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dayton-shooter-used-ar-15-pistol-smaller-version-of-popular-rifle-11565045046
Edit: Shoot. Apologies. Weirdly, I can read the whole WSJ article on my phone, but on my desktop, WSJ wants me to pay.
Edit again: I found an NBC story written in a similar vein:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dayton-shooter-s-gun-called-orchestra-metal-hellfire-n1039476
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Yes, he has. I saw a piece on that a few months ago. The TAPS act is garbage and should be thrown away along with the PATRIOT act.
What is "The TAPS Act??" ???
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What is "The TAPS Act??" ???
The thought police..... and you thought that was fiction didn't you?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/838/text
bob
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What I heard about it was more hearsay than anything. It sounded like it would let them create and maintain essentially a psyche profile on everyone in the US. How they would use it I do not know.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Booker: I Don’t Welcome Trump’s Statement on Condemning Bigotry – Healing Starts With Saying ‘I’ve Made Mistakes’
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/05/booker-i-dont-welcome-trumps-statement-on-condemning-bigotry-healing-starts-with-saying-ive-made-mistakes/
And this one
If he doesn't go to El Paso the Dems will then say he doesn't care
Beto O’Rourke Tells Trump: Stay out of El Paso
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/beto-orourke-calls-on-trump-not-to-visit-el-paso-he-has-no-place-here/
Meh. Robert is no longer the representative for El Paso.
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Meh. Robert is no longer the representative for El Paso.
Got to love Trump's response
Beto (phony name to indicate Hispanic heritage) O’Rourke, who is embarrassed by my last visit to the Great State of Texas, where I trounced him, and is now even more embarrassed by polling at 1% in the Democrat Primary, should respect the victims & law enforcement - & be quiet!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 7, 2019
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So, is Warren to blame now?
In less than 24 hours, we had two brutal mass shootings. In all, 31 people have been killed and scores more injured. In El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, two armed nutjobs executed senseless acts of carnage. The political games began almost immediately. El Paso was committed by a white supremacist, whose anti-immigrant views were just as explicit as his apparent adherence to eco-terrorism. In Dayton, the shooter, Connor Betts, a disturbed individual who had kill and rape lists of his classmates, was an avowed leftist, who backed Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), gun control, and supported the left-wing extremist group Antifa. These aren’t necessarily clear-cut cases of white supremacist violence, which the media has tried to force-feed down our throats. There’s loads of nuance.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/08/06/the-liberal-media-attempts-to-ignore-dayton-shooters-left-wing-leanings-n2551258
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So, is Warren to blame now?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/08/06/the-liberal-media-attempts-to-ignore-dayton-shooters-left-wing-leanings-n2551258
No. The shooter didn't self-identify as Native American, so Ms. Warren is off the hook.
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No. The shooter didn't self-identify as Native American, so Ms. Warren is off the hook.
And off the reservation.
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"Background checks like we've never had before". That doesn't sound like making America great again.
“And I think we can bring up background checks like we've never had before. I think both Republican and Democrat are getting close to a bill on -- they're doing something on background checks.”
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gun-stocks-drop-trump-congress-background-checks
Hopefully that's just platitudes to the masses, but time will tell. I'm just hoping it doesn't screw me up right after I moved to America. In Idaho, if you have a carry permit, you can skip the background check on purchases. With my luck, an "improved" background check will outlaw that. Though I assume individual states may still have some rights/workarounds regarding any new background check rules.
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And off the reservation.
She was never on it.
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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-michael-berry-show-27764850/
I heard an interview with Dan Crenshaw yesterday. It was the PM show on 8/6 at the link (2nd hour). He didn't stay on long. He was asked about his support for red flag laws and the TAPS act. I wasn't really satisfied with his answers. I don't know if he just didn't want to get into the details or if he didn't have time. All he really said about the TAPS act was it was just federal grants and none of things you have heard about it are true. He did not talk about what the grants are for.
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Dayton shooter was armed counter-protester at Ku Klux Klan rally (https://www.whio.com/news/local/dayton-shooter-was-armed-counter-protester-klux-klan-rally/OjUttVmHRpmBGqHNRGXyoL/)
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Dayton shooter was armed counter-protester at Ku Klux Klan rally (https://www.whio.com/news/local/dayton-shooter-was-armed-counter-protester-klux-klan-rally/)
And... this page has already been taken down. Didn't support the narrative, I guess.
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And... this page has already been taken down. Didn't support the narrative, I guess.
My bad..try it again.
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So it was you who wasn't supporting the narrative.
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No *expletive deleted*s given about the narrative. President is now ready to sell out our rights too.
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And... this page has already been taken down. Didn't support the narrative, I guess.
Still live here: https://www.whio.com/news/local/dayton-shooter-was-armed-counter-protester-klux-klan-rally/OjUttVmHRpmBGqHNRGXyoL/ (https://www.whio.com/news/local/dayton-shooter-was-armed-counter-protester-klux-klan-rally/OjUttVmHRpmBGqHNRGXyoL/).
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Talking about his gun of choice. The drum mag was already illegal in Ohio. Mags capable of holding more than 30 rounds become a "destructive device" under Ohio law when fully loaded, and are a felony to possess. Yeah, I know. Dumb law. But it's why I only load 30 rounds in my Glock 9mm extended play mags. ;)
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Talking about his gun of choice. The drum mag was already illegal in Ohio. Mags capable of holding more than 30 rounds become a "destructive device" under Ohio law when fully loaded, and are a felony to possess. Yeah, I know. Dumb law. But it's why I only load 30 rounds in my Glock 9mm extended play mags. ;)
Didn't that get revised in 2015? I don't have a link, but IIRC it got fixed when they updated all the CCW stuff.
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Didn't that get revised in 2015? I don't have a link, but IIRC it got fixed when they updated all the CCW stuff.
You are correct HB234, in 2015, corrected that stupid law.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/what-hb-234-means-you-part-iii-31-round-magazines-non-contiguous-transfers (https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/what-hb-234-means-you-part-iii-31-round-magazines-non-contiguous-transfers)
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You are correct HB234, in 2015, corrected that stupid law.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/what-hb-234-means-you-part-iii-31-round-magazines-non-contiguous-transfers (https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/what-hb-234-means-you-part-iii-31-round-magazines-non-contiguous-transfers)
Oops. Mea culpa. Glad to know my extended Glock mags are legal, at least for now.
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No *expletive deleted*s given about the narrative. President is now ready to sell out our rights too.
You must be new around here. This is Trump. We'll know what he does when he does it, and not before.
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You must be new around here. This is Trump. We'll know what he does when he does it, and not before.
That applies to Trump himself, as well.
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I don't know if any of you are in Kentucky and can vote for this guy.
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Some have asked, “who needs 100 rounds?”
If 6 brave, trained, and alert police officers with professionally maintained weapons fired 58 rounds to subdue the Dayton shooter,
I’d say my wife deserves at least that many chances to protect herself and my kids when I’m not home.
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I don't know if any of you are in Kentucky and can vote for this guy.
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1159251658230128640?s=09
4th District, I'm in the 3rd which happens to be Yarmuth's [barf]
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NPR has an article on the shooter's gun. This is the first MSM article I've seen (still with an anti-gun slant of course) that digs into the AR rifle/pistol differences, including brace vs stock.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/748665339/the-pistol-that-looks-like-a-rifle-the-dayton-shooters-gun
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Anyone seen pictures of the supposed "bullet proof" vest?
I suspect from past experience it was just mag vest or something similar.
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Anyone seen pictures of the supposed "bullet proof" vest?
I suspect from past experience it was just mag vest or something similar.
Doesn't matter. If it looks like the shoulder thing that goes up, then it must be the shoulder thing that goes up.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/457039-schumer-proposes-bill-to-regulate-body-armor%3famp
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer wants people to get permission from the FBI before they can buy bullet proof stuff...
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/457039-schumer-proposes-bill-to-regulate-body-armor%3famp
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer wants people to get permission from the FBI before they can buy bullet proof stuff...
I'm curious what the people who buy that bullet resistant stuff (jackets, backpacks, etc.) for their kids to take to school think of that?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/457039-schumer-proposes-bill-to-regulate-body-armor%3famp
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer wants people to get permission from the FBI before they can buy bullet proof stuff...
Anything is bullet proof if it is thick enough. If this passed I bet there would be a market for non-NIJ rated kevlar panels with alternate marketing. Like "motorcycle chest protector" or something.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/457039-schumer-proposes-bill-to-regulate-body-armor%3famp
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer wants people to get permission from the FBI before they can buy bullet proof stuff...
Can't we just outlaw self defense of any kind? Do I need FBI permission to duck behind a car?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jiIQOgwtI
They might outlaw that hat too.
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We're really going to try and regulate steel plate and truck bed liner?
Good luck.
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Can't we just outlaw self defense of any kind? Do I need FBI permission to duck behind a car?
Stand and take it like a .......slave!
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Federal authorities have arrested a man who acknowledged purchasing body armor, AR-15 parts and a 100-round double drum magazine for the Dayton shooter
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The complaint says Kollie was interviewed at his house by the FBI and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in the shooting’s aftermath.
“While inside, the agents smelled marijuana and observed, in plain sight, paraphernalia consistent with smoking marijuana, including what appeared to be a ‘bong,’” the agent said in the complaint. Agents also observed a pistol, the complaint says.
What an idiot.
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What an idiot.
Hidden deep in the article is the truth: he wasn't arrested for buying body armor, or for buying ammunition, or for buying the drum magazine. It wasn't illegal for him to have purchesed any of those things, even if he purchased them for a friend. He was arrested because he had a gun and he uses illegal substances.
Glassman said Kollie was charged with possession of a firearm by an unlawful user of any controlled substance and making false statements or representations. He faces up to 15 years in prison, Glassman said.
Glassman added there’s no indication Kollie knew he was assisting Betts in the Oregon District shooting.
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He was arrested because he had a gun and he uses illegal substances.
Yes, that's why I quoted the part I did. He had his bong & mini draco sitting out when the FBI interviewed him. :facepalm:
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Key points
He had cocaine, alcohol, and anti-depressants in his system.
Hit 24 times, tried to get up twice.
Had a pipe bomb in his bag
Two people hit by police, one of whom died.
Dayton Shooter Had Drugs, Alcohol in His System, Hit by ‘At Least’ 24 Rounds Fired By Police
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dayton-shooter-had-drugs-alcohol-in-his-system-hit-by-at-least-24-rounds-fired-by-police/
Edit: Connected two ideas in my mind while typing. Deleted that part.
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Key points
He had cocaine, alcohol, and anti-depressants in his system.
Have there been any mass shooters in recent times that DIDN'T have a history of being prescribed psychotropic drugs?
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Was the Las Vegas shooter on psychotropics?
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Forgot one and the one that makes me speculate more than the others.
It’s not known whether Betts targeted his 22-year-old sister, Megan. They had spent an hour together at a bar in the same area before the shooting.
A few posts back after learning his sister was one of the victims I wondered if this was an Honor Killing gone nuclear.
Or another more likely possibility
Maybe she knew what was going on and maybe she was trying to talk him out of it.
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Was the Las Vegas shooter on psychotropics?
All I recall is he did have health issues and was taking something, but I don't remember the details.
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Key points
He had cocaine, alcohol, and anti-depressants in his system.
Hit 24 times, tried to get up twice, and that he fired the final "lethal" shot
Had a pipe bomb in his bag
Two people hit by police, one of whom died.
Dayton Shooter Had Drugs, Alcohol in His System, Hit by ‘At Least’ 24 Rounds Fired By Police
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dayton-shooter-had-drugs-alcohol-in-his-system-hit-by-at-least-24-rounds-fired-by-police/
After seeing the video of the cops shooting back at the guy, I was wondering if this had happened.
The coroner said police gunfire hit two people. One of them died, but Harshbarger said the gunman, not police, fired the lethal round.
I guess that means one of the people who died was hit by both the murderer and police?
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I guess that means one of the people who died was hit by both the murderer and police?
That's a bad day.
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Inside sources say that the autopsy showed the police hits on bystanders were peripheral hits, not likely to have caused the death.
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Inside sources say that the autopsy showed the police hits on bystanders were peripheral hits, not likely to have caused the death.
If those bystanders weren't hit fatally they lived, so how could there be autopsy reports on them? Autopsies are performed on corpses.
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If those bystanders weren't hit fatally they lived, so how could there be autopsy reports on them? Autopsies are performed on corpses.
Cops hit them non-fatally.
Bad guy hit them fatally.
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If those bystanders weren't hit fatally they lived, so how could there be autopsy reports on them? Autopsies are performed on corpses.
The quote I posted said the one person was hit fatally by the murderer, but also hit by police. I guess you need to see the details to judge that one.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dayton-shooter-had-drugs-alcohol-in-his-system-hit-by-at-least-24-rounds-fired-by-police/
Dayton Shooter Had Drugs, Alcohol in His System, Hit by ‘At Least’ 24 Rounds Fired By Police
If police needed 24 rounds to stop this guy, I don't think limiting me to 10 rounds in a magazine is a good idea.
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If police needed 24 rounds to stop this guy, I don't think limiting me to 10 rounds in a magazine is a good idea.
I recall seeing somewhere else a comment similar to that: "If professional police need that many rounds to stop one guy, shouldn't my wife have access to 30 round magazines?"
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I recall seeing somewhere else a comment similar to that: "If professional police need that many rounds to stop one guy, shouldn't my wife have access to 30 round magazines?"
Pretty sure that was the Kentucky Representative mentioned earlier in this thread.
I don't know if any of you are in Kentucky and can vote for this guy.
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1159251658230128640?s=09
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Pretty sure that was the Kentucky Representative mentioned earlier in this thread.
That's the one. :)
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https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/8/07/report-sibling-killed-dayton-shooting-was-trans-man-jordan-cofer
Report: Sibling Killed in Dayton Shooting Was Trans Man Jordan Cofer
Not sure if this any bearing on the shooter or not. Just new information I heard this morning.
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https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/8/07/report-sibling-killed-dayton-shooting-was-trans-man-jordan-cofer
Report: Sibling Killed in Dayton Shooting Was Trans Man Jordan Cofer
Not sure if this any bearing on the shooter or not. Just new information I heard this morning.
History of mental illness in the family has bearing.
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https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/8/07/report-sibling-killed-dayton-shooting-was-trans-man-jordan-cofer
Report: Sibling Killed in Dayton Shooting Was Trans Man Jordan Cofer
Not sure if this any bearing on the shooter or not. Just new information I heard this morning.
Terrible reporting.
Splinter writer Katelyn Burns concluded that Cofer was likely not targeted for his gender identity because he was not out to many, including his family. But Cofer, 22, used male pronouns and identified as trans, according to friends of his who spoke to Burns.
Does this mean that she/he had, or had not, "come out" to her/his family?
Leading to:
Gillian Branstetter, media relations manager for the National Center for Transgender Equality, said it was important for journalists and police to speak to murder victims' friends and family members so the deceased are identified properly and not misgendered or dead-named.
And if the deceased had not "come out" to his/her/its family and the family provide the journalist(s) with the deceased's birth name and gender ... then what? At the church my late wife and I attended, there was a rather large person who attended church as a woman. I was informed by someone who had been in the church longer than we had that this person was a male, and Monday through Friday went to work as a male, wearing male clothing and answering to a male name. When that person dies, how should he/she be identified? If the male name is used, professional colleagues will recognize him but many members of the church may not. If the female name is used, members of the church will recognize "her" but colleagues will not.
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At the church my late wife and I attended, there was a rather large person who attended church as a woman. I was informed by someone who had been in the church longer than we had that this person was a male, and Monday through Friday went to work as a male, wearing male clothing and answering to a male name. When that person dies, how should he/she be identified? If the male name is used, professional colleagues will recognize him but many members of the church may not. If the female name is used, members of the church will recognize "her" but colleagues will not.
OBIT:
Jack/Jill Smith
A rather portly man during the week who indulged his desires to be something different on the weekends when he became Jill, a rather homely woman........
;)
bob
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OBIT:
Jack/Jill Smith
A rather portly man during the week who indulged his desires to be something different on the weekends when he became Jill, a rather homely woman........
;)
bob
You, Sir, are an evil man.
I approve wholeheartedly.
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