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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on November 14, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
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High School Shooting in Los Angeles County
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/11/14/breaking-school-shooting-in-los-angeles-county-n2556489
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3 shot or 6 shot, unclear at this point.
Suspect is described as an Asian male
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-saugus-high-school-shooting
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3 shot or 6 shot, unclear at this point.
Suspect is described as an Asian male
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-saugus-high-school-shooting
Just got a notice on my phone... 2 dead.
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Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said six people were shot, including the 16-year-old student suspect. Thursday was his birthday. No details were released on a motive.
A video of the shooting shows the gunman shooting himself in the head. Authorities say he was carrying a .45 caliber handgun.
The two students who died were 16 and 14. Their names were not released.
California School Shooter Struck on His Birthday Using a .45 Handgun, Tried to Commit Suicide
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/california-school-shooter-struck-on-his-birthday-using-a-45-handgun-tried-to-commit-suicide/
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3 shot or 6 shot, unclear at this point.
Suspect is described as an Asian male
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-saugus-high-school-shooting
What a terrible article.
Two students, a 16-year-old female and a 14-year-old victim, are dead and three other teens were injured Thursday ...
So 2 + 3 = 5. But wait ...
There was also one non-critically injured victim who was transported to a hospital, for a total of seven victims including the suspect, authorities said.
So the initial report of five victims omitted the sixth victim.
And I respectfully decline to label the shooter as a "victim." So we don't have seven victims, we have six victims and a shooter.
It was not immediately clear if the shooting occurred inside the school building, on school grounds or near the school.
But you've already reported that the shooting is on video. Doesn't the video show where the shooting happened?
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Sigh
(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Screen-Shot-2019-11-14-at-12.39.23-PM.png)
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What was he supposed to do? Take Air Force One to L.A. and personally execute the perp?
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In the comments
itsatax • 2 hours ago
Would it help if Trump wrote books about murder and mayhem?
Stephen King thinks Donald Trump is ‘a useless piece of sh*t’ for ‘monitoring the situation’ after Santa Clarita shooting
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/11/14/stephen-king-thinks-donald-trump-is-a-useless-piece-of-sht-for-monitoring-the-situation-after-santa-clarita-shooting/
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In the comments
Stephen King thinks Donald Trump is ‘a useless piece of sh*t’ for ‘monitoring the situation’ after Santa Clarita shooting
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/11/14/stephen-king-thinks-donald-trump-is-a-useless-piece-of-sht-for-monitoring-the-situation-after-santa-clarita-shooting/
Isn't that standard White House verbiage? I'm sure Obama was reported to be "monitoring" the situation on more than two occasions.
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According to USA Today, Everytown is reporting that there have been thirty school shootings in 2019.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/14/saugus-school-shooting-california-how-many-2019-school-shootings/4190941002/
I count ten -- and that includes two that were at universities, not grammar or high schools. I want to know what the other twenty were.
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Local news broadcast in St. Louis whipped up a nice little "Santa Clarita Shooting" graphic for their segment on the 5 o'clock news. How's about that now? Kill 2 people, and you get your own graphic. If you kill 10 or more, do they bring you on as a regular contributor?
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Wasn't there a big fire in Santa Clarita just a week or two ago?
The world is getting a lot weirder.
https://qanon.pub/#2469 (fires followed by shooting in same place in california predicted)
https://qanon.pub/#3585 https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=project+looking+glass&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 (Note: Google has memory holed these search results within the last 2 days)
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As nutty as it seems even to me, anyone else notice that the democrats first day of IMPEACHMENT!!111!! made them look like the morons they are then BAM another school shooting.
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As nutty as it seems even to me, anyone else notice that the democrats first day of IMPEACHMENT!!111!! made them look like the morons they are then BAM another school shooting.
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A popular meme from a week ago was that the democrats were too busy impeaching Trump to have a mass shooting.
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Now the Associated Press is reporting that Everytown claims there have been 85 school shooting this year.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting/on-16th-birthday-california-student-opens-fire-at-his-high-school-killing-two-idUSKBN1XO2C0
But, read the fine print:
It was the 85th incident of gunfire at a school this year, according to Everytown, a gun control advocacy group. It seems sure to reignite a debate over gun control in the 2020 presidential election.
They didn't exactly say "school shootings." They said "85th incident of gunfire at a school this year." I still only show ten actual school shootings this year, and even that includes two that were at universities rather than "schools" (in the sense of grammar, middle, or high schools ... which is what people usually think of when they see or hear the words "school shooting").
Even the NRA has picked up on how Everytown pads their statistics:
https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/12/16/everytowns-list-of-school-shootings-is-not-worth-the-paper-its-printed-on/
It comes down to how you define "school shooting" -- and Everytown (naturally) uses an all-encompassing definition.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/heres-how-everytowns-disputed-report-of-18-school-shootings-breaks-down.html
According to Everytown, “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds,” it counts as a school shooting, regardless of whether or not the shooting results in injury or death.
Take that in -- it counts as a school shooting, even if nobody was shot. Even if the discharge of the firearm was an accident and there was no intention to shoot anyone or anything involved. Even if the shot was fired at 4:00 a.m., when there were no students present. Even if it was two idiots shooting at a stray cat. All "school shootings."
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In the comments
Stephen King thinks Donald Trump is ‘a useless piece of sh*t’ for ‘monitoring the situation’ after Santa Clarita shooting
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/11/14/stephen-king-thinks-donald-trump-is-a-useless-piece-of-sht-for-monitoring-the-situation-after-santa-clarita-shooting/
Vulpes vulpes
@Oenonewept
Are you getting enough attention? Maybe see a doctor about your small penis... https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1195031274169262080 …
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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The (alleged) shooter has died. No note/letter/manifesto found to shed light on why he (allegedly) did it.
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The (alleged) shooter has died. No note/letter/manifesto found to shed light on why he (allegedly) did it.
If he's dead, you don't have to say "allegedly" anymore.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-16/santa-clarita-shooting-detectives-probe-how-teen-got-gun-as-community-mourns
The shooter may have assembled his own 'ghost gun', per the article. We will see if that causes more scrutiny to the 'ghost gun' concept.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-16/santa-clarita-shooting-detectives-probe-how-teen-got-gun-as-community-mourns
The shooter may have assembled his own 'ghost gun', per the article. We will see if that causes more scrutiny to the 'ghost gun' concept.
The article is hiding behind a paywall. Is there a link to a version that's accessible to the rest of us?
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The article is hiding behind a paywall. Is there a link to a version that's accessible to the rest of us?
Here's the relevant small (fair use) clip from the article:
A key focus of the investigation is how Nathaniel Berhow got the .45-caliber handgun he used to carry out the attack Thursday morning.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is working with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to determine whether the gun was made from parts purchased separately and then assembled, law enforcement sources told The Times. Such weapons, so-called ghost guns, do not have serial numbers and can be manufactured from parts ordered through the mail or acquired from underground makers.
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I found this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/santa-clarita-shooting-unregistered-guns-found-in-home-of-saugus-suspect-motive-a-mystery/ar-BBWP5KE?li=AA30Mu
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Here's the relevant small (fair use) clip from the article:
Except that the statement quoted is incorrect. You can but most of the parts needed to make a gun, but the receiver is legally a "firearm" and you can't buy a completed receiver except by going through an FFL just as you would for a complete firearm.
You can buy unfinished receivers, but generally those require machining -- at least for handguns. I'm only familiar with 1911s -- I'm sure there must be unfinished Glock receivers, how much work is needed to complete those?
But the gun was a .45, and apparently only held six or seven rounds. My initial thought was "1911," but it seemed unlikely (not impossible) that a fifteen year old kid would have built a 1911 "ghost gun." And then there's this, from the MSN link:
The sources said the gun design appears to be unusual but emphasized that officials don’t know its origins at this time.
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Oh, carp. Now starts the official bloviating. Deputy Superintendent Mike Kuhlman:
“The gun violence experienced across our nation, and all too often on school campuses, has prompted our district, like others, to conduct staff and student trainings for these unthinkable events,” he said in a statement. “We take the training seriously; we prayed that we would never need it. Yet today, our brilliant staff bravely and vigilantly went into action.”
Seriously?
There don't appear to have been any staff in the quad area, where the shooting took place. The three first responders were all off-duty cops who were dropping off their kids at school. The school resource officer wasn't even on campus -- he got the call while still on his way to work. In short, the "brave" staff weren't in any position to have in any way affected the outcome. Spare me the pontificating, Mr. Kuhlman.
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The sources said the gun design appears to be unusual but emphasized that officials don’t know its origins at this time.
Knowing the media that could merely mean it doesn't say Glock on it
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Except that the statement quoted is incorrect. You can but most of the parts needed to make a gun, but the receiver is legally a "firearm" and you can't buy a completed receiver except by going through an FFL just as you would for a complete firearm.
You can buy unfinished receivers, but generally those require machining -- at least for handguns. I'm only familiar with 1911s -- I'm sure there must be unfinished Glock receivers, how much work is needed to complete those?
But the gun was a .45, and apparently only held six or seven rounds. My initial thought was "1911," but it seemed unlikely (not impossible) that a fifteen year old kid would have built a 1911 "ghost gun." And then there's this, from the MSN link:
According to the instructions you are supposed to complete a Polymer 80 Glock in a mill or drill press. I did mine in a mini-mill. With some care you could do it with a drill and a Dremel.
You have to drill two holes in the frame, cut out two small square sections of the "slide rails" where the steel insert sits for the slide to ride on, and make a (I think) 3/8" radius cut in the dust cover area for the spring/guide rod assembly to sit in. IMO this is where it goes bad, because if you take too much the guide rod can slip down and lock up the slide, and if you don't take enough the guide rod won't sit low enough for the barrel to tilt and the pistol won't function.
Regardless, it's not super complicated, and the kits come with pretty clear instructions, and the bits needed.
A 80% 1911 either needs machine tools, or several hundred dollars worth of special cutters and jigs. You need to drill the hammer and sear pin holes in the right place, cut the barrel seat with a ball nose cutter, and cut the slide rails. The rails need to be reasonably close to straight and parallel. And obviously, unlike the Glock you are cutting all of that in steel or aluminum, rather than plastic.
Neither pistol is a particularly complicated machine for anyone with some machine tool and fabrication experience.
ETA: For added pearl clutching, you can actually buy the steel parts, and 3d print the required polymer parts of a Glock. :O :O
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Along similar lines but not something that is going to get wide spread MSM coverage.
Criminal shooter brought down by legally armed citizens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8rxpgHl_Pg4&fbclid=IwAR1Zi67406ZkTiYMEwips6uh8dT3I3vcTm89NScRnM37xp7JVifZViZYC-Y&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8rxpgHl_Pg4&fbclid=IwAR1Zi67406ZkTiYMEwips6uh8dT3I3vcTm89NScRnM37xp7JVifZViZYC-Y&app=desktop)
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Along similar lines but not something that is going to get wide spread MSM coverage.
Criminal shooter brought down by legally armed citizens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8rxpgHl_Pg4&fbclid=IwAR1Zi67406ZkTiYMEwips6uh8dT3I3vcTm89NScRnM37xp7JVifZViZYC-Y&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8rxpgHl_Pg4&fbclid=IwAR1Zi67406ZkTiYMEwips6uh8dT3I3vcTm89NScRnM37xp7JVifZViZYC-Y&app=desktop)
Narrative violations will be filtered out
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Narrative violations will be filtered out
That incident happened over a year ago. This is the first I've heard of it. Apparently Fox is the only one who reported it.
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Says reported to be a ghost 1911
The .45 pistol — reported to be a 1911 by the Los Angeles Times — was reportedly cobbled together from parts, including an unserialized frame. That’s what California gun controllers — pretty much everyone in state government — have colorfully dubbed a “ghost gun.”
Investigators are trying to determine who built the gun and how the shooter got it. It’s still legal for individuals to build their own firearms in California, but they are now required to serialize them.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/santa-clarita-school-shooter-used-unserialized-ghost-gun-a-1911-45-pistol/
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Says reported to be a ghost 1911
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/santa-clarita-school-shooter-used-unserialized-ghost-gun-a-1911-45-pistol/
Another story really building up "ghost gun".
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-high-school-shooter-used-untraceable-ghost-gun-sheriff-says
I can definitely see this potentially causing some kind of gun control push, and one that Trump might sign, as the reasoning would be similar to why he put the kibosh on bump stocks.
Which also makes me agree with those of you who say "buy uppers, not lowers".
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Another story really building up "ghost gun".
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-high-school-shooter-used-untraceable-ghost-gun-sheriff-says
I can definitely see this potentially causing some kind of gun control push, and one that Trump might sign, as the reasoning would be similar to why he put the kibosh on bump stocks.
Which also makes me agree with those of you who say "buy uppers, not lowers".
At today's prices, buy entire guns. =D
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Which also makes me agree with those of you who say "buy uppers, not lowers". a mill and lathe
FTFY
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According to the instructions you are supposed to complete a Polymer 80 Glock in a mill or drill press. I did mine in a mini-mill. With some care you could do it with a drill and a Dremel.
I did my V1 Polymer 80 G17 with a Dremel, hand drill, and a few small files. It was a pretty straightforward afternoon project and my understanding is that the V2 frames are significantly easier. The prices have come down now too so they can be built cheaper than a real Glock - possibly $375 for a complete kit on Black Friday.
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Had a thought
What if this is merely a pre 1968 1911? It's not all that uncommon to come across pre 68 firearms with no serial numbers.
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Had a thought
What if this is merely a pre 1968 1911? It's not all that uncommon to come across pre 68 firearms with no serial numbers.
The one article did say his deceased dad had a number of "unregistered firearms". Which I did too, when I lived there, since I was buying used guns and getting Xmas gifts long before CA required every freakin' thing to be registered.
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The all knowing all seeing reporters are constantly putting "unregistered" in news articles here (Ky) despite the fact we have zero registration requirements of any kind for firearms.
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We get the same crap here in Oklahoma.
It is too pervasive to be accidental or a coincidence.
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Had a thought
What if this is merely a pre 1968 1911? It's not all that uncommon to come across pre 68 firearms with no serial numbers.
It would be virtually impossible to come across a pre-1968 1911 without a serial number. Even the WW1 M1911s had serial numbers. Colt always numbered theirs, and other than the war years Colt was essentially the only 1911 maker until after 1968.
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After spending the last few years reading up on persuasion techniques, propoganda and related subjects you couldn't overstate the depths of my cynicism regarding the press or official government information.
It's psy ops from top to bottom.
You can take it to the bank that the ghost gun narrative is a coordinated story.