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Title: Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice!
Post by: RocketMan on February 13, 2020, 07:14:14 AM
I didn't know Betelgeuse has been acting squirrely.  There might be a big light show soon.
Here's an article from c/net.  "Huge red star might explode soon and next few weeks are critical." (https://www.cnet.com/news/huge-red-star-might-explode-soon-and-next-few-weeks-are-critical/)

There is a second, earlier article below the first on the same topic.
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Post by: Ben on February 13, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Well, if it goes, it'll give everyone in 1378 a great show!  =D

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Post by: WLJ on February 13, 2020, 08:11:39 AM
Been keeping an eye on it and yeah, it's noticeably dimmer if you're used to looking for it in the night sky. Hope if it does go it does during our winter since the constellation Orion is below the horizon during our (N. hemisphere) summer. Could be brighter than the full moon for a few months since Betelgeuse is only ~642ly away. But as far as when it goes it could some time between now and the next 100,000 years there is just so much we still don't know or are debating about stellar evolution and stars of this type. It could have gone 600 years ago actually and we don't know yet.
I'm sure someone will blame Trump if it goes soon.
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Post by: MillCreek on February 13, 2020, 09:44:17 AM
So you are saying that anytime from 642 years from now, Earth may be sterilized by a burst of radiation from the star exploding?
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Post by: WLJ on February 13, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
So you are saying that anytime from 642 years from now, Earth may be sterilized by a burst of radiation from the star exploding?

It could have blown 642 years ago so maybe this afternoon.  [popcorn]

Actually BJ is too far away and it's poles aren't orientated properly to pose much of a threat to earth. We'll get a light show and not much else. Sorry to disappoint
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Post by: AJ Dual on February 13, 2020, 11:03:38 AM
Yeah, and the radiation from closer supernovae (50 light years or less) doesn't fry everyone directly anyway. What it does is strip electrons off the air create a bunch of NOx in the upper atmosphere, which then destroys the ozone layer, causing a UV damage and collapse in the food chain.

It's a lousy "Out with a whimper" rather than a "bang" kind of mass extinction.

Betelgeuse would be one hell of a show. My fingers are crossed that she blows. (or more appropriately, did blow 600 years ago)

Although the odds of it happening in our lifetimes are steeply against it. This Cnet article is the only one really hyping the chance this could be a precursor event to a supernova. And there's dozens of reasons that could be causing the dimming, but have nothing to do with an imminent explosion. An overlap in the star's various variability cycles, an ejected shell of dust and gas dimming the star, or maybe we're seeing it eat one of it's orbiting planets. Also the star isn't very "round" more like a hot bulgy irregular little nebula about the size of Jupiter's orbit around our sun, with the various sides bubbling up and falling back. So it could just be a big "dent" or something on the side pointed to us making it appear dimmer too.
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Post by: makattak on February 13, 2020, 11:21:11 AM
I loved the statement I saw that we don't really have tenses in our language to describe how we are waiting to find out if something happened hundreds of years ago.
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Post by: K Frame on February 13, 2020, 11:42:52 AM
I think what's talked about is Betelgeuese going super nova.

Supernovas don't necessarily become gamma ray bursters. If a gamma ray burster were to hit earth directly, it could be an extinction event, and not a slow one, either.
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Post by: WLJ on February 13, 2020, 11:49:55 AM
This is not the extinction level event you were looking for
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Post by: AJ Dual on February 13, 2020, 12:32:30 PM
I think what's talked about is Betelgeuese going super nova.

Supernovas don't necessarily become gamma ray bursters. If a gamma ray burster were to hit earth directly, it could be an extinction event, and not a slow one, either.

GRB's are probably associated with supermassive Wolf Rayet stars going nova, and the black hole or neutron star forming even faster than the explosion of the star reaches it's surface. And the GRB is a jet coming out of the rotational axes. Or it's the collision of binary neutron stars, or a supermassive black hole eating a star, causing it to reform it's axial jet that happens to be pointed at Earth, or more appropriately the entire Milky Way.

The good news is that GRB's, despite seeing them all over the sky are rare, they come from galaxies billions of light years away. Meaning you've got to look at several million galaxies to see one. So the good news is that a GRB in the Milky Way that can actually directly "cook" the Earth with gamma exposure is pretty long odds of happening, and that the odds the jet just so happened to be lined up with the Solar System makes the odds even longer.

The concentrations of Iron 60, associated with cosmic rays, in strata 2.6 million years ago could be linked to a mass extinction caused by a nearby supernova around that time.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 13, 2020, 01:53:01 PM
It could have blown 642 years ago so maybe this afternoon.  [popcorn]

Actually BJ is too far away and it's poles aren't orientated properly to pose much of a threat to earth. We'll get a light show and not much else. Sorry to disappoint

dammit.
(kicks grass)
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Post by: K Frame on February 13, 2020, 02:05:15 PM
Yeah but the backup plan was Corona, so it's all good.

We're doomed!
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Post by: Ben on February 13, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
dammit.
(kicks grass)

 :laugh:
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Post by: WLJ on February 13, 2020, 03:00:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=299knTdX-Wo
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Post by: RocketMan on February 13, 2020, 06:35:16 PM
Where's my star shattering kaboom?  I was told there'd be a star shattering kaboom!
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Post by: Jim147 on February 13, 2020, 07:23:05 PM
I got my big pants pulled out waiting for the gamma rays.  Don't make me angry e, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
I hate not having a lap op so I can see what I type
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Post by: AJ Dual on February 14, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
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Post by: charby on February 14, 2020, 11:43:49 AM
Be wild to experience a crab nebula type event, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 14, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
Be wild to experience a crab nebula type event, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
Drop the nebula part and I am sure you can find someone to help you with a crab event. 
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Post by: charby on February 14, 2020, 12:08:57 PM
Drop the nebula part and I am sure you can find someone to help you with a crab event. 


Insert obvious sister comment here.  :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: WLJ on February 16, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
Put away the Super Nova Tan Lotion it may be just dust

https://www.eso.org/public/images/eso2003d/

Betelgeuse Status
https://twitter.com/betelbot?lang=en
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Post by: lee n. field on February 16, 2020, 05:26:39 PM
Betelgeuse Major Update: We May Have An Explanation Now! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKO-ktyPS-k)
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Post by: WLJ on February 16, 2020, 05:28:20 PM
And that link that I was just getting ready to post.  Getting slow in my old age.
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Post by: RocketMan on February 16, 2020, 07:34:30 PM
There's a bunch of horsehockey in that video.  Everyone knows it's global warming climate change causing Betelgeuse to act strangely.
Title: Re: Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice!
Post by: WLJ on February 16, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
There's a bunch of horsehockey in that video.  Everyone knows it's global warming climate change   Trump causing Betelgeuse to act strangely.
Title: Re: Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice!
Post by: WLJ on July 03, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
New data suggests Huuuugge Tracts of Land Starspot(s) were responsible for the diimming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvaOKpc_lLo
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Post by: WLJ on August 28, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
Aaaaand it's dimming again and they don't know why, yet, maybe.
I think Betelgeuse is partying like it's 2020

NASA Satellite’s Lone View of Betelgeuse Reveals More Strange Behavior
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/nasa-satellite-s-lone-view-of-betelgeuse-reveals-more-strange-behavior

NASA Satellite’s Lone View of Betelgeuse Reveals More Strange Behavior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9sohftvKe8
Title: Re: Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice!
Post by: grampster on August 29, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
The news might be a bit more disturbing if Beetle Juice was living in your attic. [popcorn]
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Post by: WLJ on August 29, 2020, 12:41:47 PM
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Post by: bedlamite on August 29, 2020, 12:46:24 PM
Me opening this thread again:

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Oh yeah, the actual star, not the Chicago mayor.
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Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2022, 02:35:15 PM
Now here's an interesting theory, gravity darkening caused by a wandering black hole.

Betelgeuse's mysterious 'Great Dimming' may have been triggered by a wandering black hole
https://www.space.com/betelgeuse-great-dimming-passing-star-explained
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Post by: WLJ on May 20, 2023, 06:39:59 PM
And it's acting squirrelly again. This time getting brighter.

Betelgeuse’s Brightening Raises Hopes for a Supernova Spectacle
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/betelgueses-brightening-raises-hopes-for-a-supernova-spectacle/

 What?! Betelgeuse Is Doing Something Weird Again and Nobody Knows Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsBvxuqKIk
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Post by: HankB on May 21, 2023, 01:14:26 PM
From the title, I thought this was going to be about a new "eco-friendly" health drink approved and endorsed by the people pushing the Green New Deal.     [barf]


 :rofl:
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Post by: JTHunter on May 21, 2023, 10:30:40 PM
From the title, I thought this was going to be about a new "eco-friendly" health drink approved and endorsed by the people pushing the Green New Deal.     [barf]
 :rofl:

I thought it would be about the now-departed Loony Lori.  :rofl:
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Post by: WLJ on January 15, 2024, 07:21:23 PM
Another Red Giant acting like Betelgeuse

One of the Largest Stars Known Dimmed Just Like Betelgeuse - Solving a Major Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83lEdDgHRw
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Post by: 230RN on January 17, 2024, 11:11:41 AM
Another Red Giant acting like Betelgeuse

One of the Largest Stars Known Dimmed Just Like Betelgeuse - Solving a Major Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83lEdDgHRw

I'm having a hard time understanding that guy's whatever-it-is accent.  Is it just my old ears, or what?  It's almost like he overcame a prior speech impediment, but not 100%.

???

Terry
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Post by: RocketMan on January 17, 2024, 05:15:27 PM
I'm having a hard time understanding that guy's whatever-it-is accent.  Is it just my old ears, or what?  It's almost like he overcame a prior speech impediment, but not 100%.

???

Terry

English is his native language, Terry.  But Russian is also listed as his native language.  He was born in the USA, but I'm guessing from Russian émigré parents.  Perhaps he spoke mostly Russian in the home as a kid.
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Post by: 230RN on January 17, 2024, 07:42:36 PM
OK, thanks.  Frankly, I'm starting to think I could use some hearing assistance after 60 yrs of sometimes unprotected gunfire.

Spacibo

Terry

(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/stopjack.gif)