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Title: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on February 16, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
So, is anyone actually taking any action? Either against the virus or against possible government quarantine action, or supply chain disruption?

A guy I know who uses lots of dust masks said his usual sources are out, and prices are going up on eBay.

Is there any reason to anticipate food shortages, either legitimate or caused by irrational hoarding or rationing?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Unisaw on February 16, 2020, 07:08:43 PM
I had to take my wife to the ER last night.  (That’s another story.). Of five staff in the ER, they all had on masks until my wife confirmed that she hadn’t been in China recently.  After that, all but one removed his/her mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 16, 2020, 07:13:07 PM
Glad to be in the country. I have no immune system so I stay away from people.

As far as food goes I can walk to the pit and fish or grab a rifle and hunt.

Hank thought me just how to stay alive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 16, 2020, 08:10:27 PM
I'm heading yo Costco tomorrow.

Getting rice and beans.

Probably pick up a bunch of pasta and sauce.

I'll use it all eventually so it won't go to waste.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 16, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
I picked a half gallon of whisky.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on February 16, 2020, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: charby on February 16, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
I picked a half gallon of whisky.

A fine dual purpose disinfectant,  good thinking.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 16, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: charby on February 16, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
I picked a half gallon of whisky.

Here I thought I was fine with the couple months of food we keep on hand, but I've only got 1 shot of Maker's Mark left!

I hang my head in shame.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 16, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
Beans, rice, canned chicken, cooking oil, n95 masks, gloves, antiseptic lotion and wipes, multivitamins...

Im not sure any if it is going to do much good tbh, we have school aged kids, and I works in a place that draws workers from hundreds of sq miles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on February 16, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
What about markets? Aside from the general "panic and uncertainty" sell-offs, are there any commodities or stock sectors which might take a hit? Will this, assuming it gets worse that is, boost the healthcare sectors or tank them?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: p12 on February 16, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
How much daily food stuff do we as a country actually get from China?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 16, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: p12 on February 16, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
How much daily food stuff do we as a country actually get from China?

Don't know the numbers right offhand, but I'm certain it's nearly 0.

It's not the importaion of food to possibly be worried about, but the disruption of life from quarantines from the importation of the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: p12 on February 16, 2020, 10:38:54 PM
Gotcha.

The reason I ask. My wife works in a  high end lamp shop. The lamp suppliers are stating that the disruption in China is significant. The outbreak coincided with the Chinese New Year. Quarantines are causing shut down of plants.  This I can understand.

The suppliers were discussing the horrible disruption of supplies and were including drugs and food.

I’m thinking the drugs and food were hyperbolic exaggerations.

Most generics are made in India at least that’s my understanding.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 16, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2018/07/29/is-your-generic-medication-made-in-china-and-is-it-safe/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-manufacturing-of-most-us-medicine-and-vitamins-poses-security-threat-researchers-say_2497862.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 16, 2020, 11:16:46 PM
Quote from: p12 on February 16, 2020, 10:38:54 PM
Most generics are made in India at least that’s my understanding.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61772.msg1242208#msg1242208
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 17, 2020, 08:21:13 AM
I would say that you prep the same way you do for most any other emergency/natural disaster - at least a couple of weeks of food available, water or ways to make potable water, fuel for a generator if you have one, batteries, cash, etc. All the stuff we usually recommend in a preparedness thread for hurricane, earthquake, etc.

The only thing I might add for this is masks (though most don't know how to wear them properly) and gloves if you have to interact with people, and ways to thoroughly "decontaminate" afterwards (and I'm actually not sure what proper methods are). This is assuming we are at China level vs where we are now.

If we were at China levels, I'd still be more worried about overblown panic runs on supplies (food, gasoline, etc.) than contracting the virus. YMMV depending on where you live.

The stock market is an interesting side discussion. We already had a small taste of market panic with a quick recovery. I would assume the same thing would happen, but with a longer market recovery time, if, again, we were at "China level". I would probably be an uncaring capitalist and throw money into any panic drops. I'm not sure if I would invest specifically in the health sector, unless it was some ETF or something. I think making money on an individual stock would be difficult. If you happened to guess right about who came up with the first cure, medication, or whatever, you could bring in some dough, but I don't like the odds of guessing right. I would rather invest in an overall market panic drop.

EDIT: Oh, regarding zahc's mask shortage comment, yeah, I wish I would have invested in masks. For kicks, I typed "coronavirus mask" into Amazon, and yeah, prices are up. I use these masks for general stuff:

https://www.amazon.com/3M-N95-Masks-Model-8210V/dp/B084D81PM7/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=coronavirus+mask&qid=1581945878&sr=8-19

I checked my past orders, and the last time I bought them, I paid $14 for 20 of them. Now $120 for ten. Holy hell.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 17, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
I bought a box of 10 N95 masks last week for around $20.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 17, 2020, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: brimic on February 17, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
I bought a box of 10 N95 masks last week for around $20.


I'm thinking Amazon sellers are taking advantage of people who don't know how to shop anywhere else. I did a little searching, and while some other online sellers are jacking up prices, they are still cheaper than Amazon. A quick look at Home Despot showed N95 masks available in-store at most of the local stores im my area in limited quantities, but at what appears to be regular pricing.

Also, not all N95 masks are created equal:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/n95list1.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on February 17, 2020, 12:24:02 PM
I visited a friend in the hospital Friday. They had lots of free masks at the hand sanitizing "infection control" kiosk just inside the door.
(I grabbed a couple on my way out)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 17, 2020, 12:36:33 PM
If we go to defcon 5 mask level, you're going need to wear them 24/7 if you're around people and will need to change them often. Wash hands before and after removal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 17, 2020, 07:34:23 PM
My wife picked up a case of Yuengling lager for me at Sam's Club today. I should be good to go.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 22, 2020, 04:16:36 AM
A: take good care if yourselves, emotionally and physically.
  1. If you don’t exercise, start right now, if you do, up your efforts
  2. Avoid stress and anxiety- whatever comes is beyond your control, but be prepared.
  3. Get your servings of fruits and veggies in every day. Take your multivitamins. I’ve been hearing chatter that D3 and K2 is supposedly particularly important.
B. Consider getting out of the markets and convert equities into cash or PMs ASAP. I missed the boat on Friday. I had already cashed out of my stocks in my IRAs and cash accounts over a week ago, i wish i would gave done the same for my 401k on Friday, but i procrastinated. You might want to buy some long term puts on the major index funds, if you have permission level on your accounts- don’t go overboard, i wouldnt risk more than 2% on a position. Worst case scenario- you’ ll thank me later when all of the sheep wake up and do the same, best case scenario, the market goes into a sliw decline ir goes flat, in which case you lose nothing anyway.
C. Avoid public places. The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.


By all accounts, things are far worse than you are being told.
I don’t want anyone to panic, I just really care about all of you curmudgeons and goofballs.

ETA: use your own intuition. You know in your gut that the situation in china is far worse than is being reported. WHO has been parroting the lies, as has the CDC- they are all shitting their pants.

From everything that ive filtered through so far, it almost looks like the WuFlu is like airborne super-AIDS, people aren’t getting better from it, just going into remission after their body fights off the initial infection.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 22, 2020, 04:26:02 AM
I’m not particularly scared,I’ve had a good run, and am in the mode of doing the best to protect my family right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 22, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
Don't sugar coat it buddy 😉
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 22, 2020, 02:14:56 PM
I would agree on eating healthy at least from a nutrition standpoint along with basic exercise for health.

I got a little more food.  Some rice and canned stuff and some of those red beans and rice mixes.  I might get more canned stuff later as I ended up throwing away some I had that was long expired. 

I wasn't thinking in terms of having cash on hand.  I will have to think about that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 22, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: brimic on February 22, 2020, 04:16:36 AM
A: take good care if yourselves, emotionally and physically.
  1. If you don’t exercise, start right now, if you do, up your efforts
  2. Avoid stress and anxiety- whatever comes is beyond your control, but be prepared.
  3. Get your servings of fruits and veggies in every day. Take your multivitamins. I’ve been hearing chatter that D3 and K2 is supposedly particularly important.
B. Consider getting out of the markets and convert equities into cash or PMs ASAP. I missed the boat on Friday. I had already cashed out of my stocks in my IRAs and cash accounts over a week ago, i wish i would gave done the same for my 401k on Friday, but i procrastinated. You might want to buy some long term puts on the major index funds, if you have permission level on your accounts- don’t go overboard, i wouldnt risk more than 2% on a position. Worst case scenario- you’ ll thank me later when all of the sheep wake up and do the same, best case scenario, the market goes into a sliw decline ir goes flat, in which case you lose nothing anyway.
C. Avoid public places. The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.


By all accounts, things are far worse than you are being told.
I don’t want anyone to panic, I just really care about all of you curmudgeons and goofballs.

ETA: use your own intuition. You know in your gut that the situation in china is far worse than is being reported. WHO has been parroting the lies, as has the CDC- they are all shitting their pants.

From everything that ive filtered through so far, it almost looks like the WuFlu is like airborne super-AIDS, people aren’t getting better from it, just going into remission after their body fights off the initial infection.

Other than "gut feeling" do you have any solid sources of info?

I'm all for preparing, but I don't want to waste my time/effort/money on nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 22, 2020, 06:49:06 PM
I read somewhere this morning that .gov and medical are ramping things up I'll see if I can find a link after I get some rest just got in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Sindawe on February 22, 2020, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: Andiron on February 16, 2020, 09:04:06 PM
A fine dual purpose disinfectant,  good thinking.

Only if its around 140 proof.  Everclear is cheaper and easier to get to the right concentation (70% ethyl alcohol).

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I got a little more food.  Some rice and canned stuff and some of those red beans and rice mixes.  I might get more canned stuff later as I ended up throwing away some I had that was long expired. 

Same here.  Soups, rice, beans, canned veggies, pasta and sauces.  Also replenished the ground beef and fish in the freezer.  I estimate could go no food for about 35-40 days if I had to just on the reserves I still cart around daily.  These would stretch that out another three weeks or before having to crack into deep survival reserves.

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The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.

I hope not.  My current role requires I be onsite at the employer's campus, which has several hundred folks at least spread across four buildings with four floors each.   Need to have a chat with a close friend tonight about prep, but odds are she's ahead me on that point.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 22, 2020, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Sindawe on February 22, 2020, 07:38:08 PM
I hope not.  My current role requires I be onsite at the employer's campus, which has several hundred folks at least spread across four buildings with four floors each.   Need to have a chat with a close friend tonight about prep, but odds are she's ahead me on that point.

Would anyone notice if you showed up to work with protective headgear?  =D

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ioctxl/images/stencil/960w/products/231/454/61400m3_ts__45918.1402688723.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Sindawe on February 22, 2020, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 22, 2020, 08:06:07 PM
Would anyone notice if you showed up to work with protective headgear?  =D

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ioctxl/images/stencil/960w/products/231/454/61400m3_ts__45918.1402688723.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)

OH yea, they sure would.  I do have a respirator with HEPA filters on it, along with safety googles. Maybe I could strap one of the recycle Polycom phones to my chest, put a bucket on my head, add a black cape and tell folks that "I AM YOUR FATHER".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 22, 2020, 10:01:32 PM
Nooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
So I was bored and interested in how people are reacting to this via "last minute prepping", so I did some Amazon and other searches to see what people are making runs on and what the pricing changes are.  Some interesting examples:

Auguson Farms, mentioned above, is out of stock on many items and have a notification that they are dealing with very high volume and asking for patience in lead times. They seem to have their normal prices though, including ongoing sales.

Masks/respirators are all over the place. If you do an Amazon search for "coronavirus mask", you have the opportunity to buy a $2 N95 mask for $30. Or I saw a five pack for $45 plus $45 shipping. On the other hand, if you change your search parameters to something like PPE or farm protection or hazmat cleanup, you could actually get something more useful than just a single mask like this cleanup kit for $17:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Multipurpose-Cleanup-Kit-Polyethylene/dp/B07SQ499NM/ref=sr_1_25?crid=1EGI36JU7NK24&keywords=tyvek+suit&qid=1582465164&sprefix=tyvek+sui%2Caps%2C311&sr=8-25

Or again, since the paper masks are really questionable for most people, since they won't wear them correctly, you can still get half face respirators with something like P100 filters (again ,geared towards construction, farming, etc.) for like $25, which is normal pricing (for now) and they are, IMO, more likely to be properly worn by dummies, if only by accident.

Then if you look at real respiratory protection - i.e., gas masks, regular people don't seem to have discovered them yet. Israeli military and civilian gas masks are still going for their normal prices of around $75 for unused from a reputable dealer. Or, if you, according to PewPewPew Tactical, want one of the best civilian masks on the market, you can still buy a Mira (Texas, USA) CM-6 or CM-7 with one cartridge for around $275, which is their regular price. Though they have a message on their website that their current lead time is 4 weeks.

So it's seeming to me that for your general, non-APS public who don't think past today and don't even keep a first aid kit or fire extinguisher in their house, they are going to places like Amazon in a panic and being treated accordingly regarding prices for often crappy stuff. I even saw plain old dust masks for outrageous prices using the "coronavirus" search, which shows you might want to use creative searches to get the same thing for a normal price.

On the other hand, it appears people familiar with preparedness (not just SHTF, but natural disaster, etc.) who are feeling "under-prepared" are hitting those preparedness oriented sites, and while there might be shortages or long waits, those vendors don't seem to be taking advantage and jacking up prices.

This is occurring during what IMO, is not yet (and may never be) panic time in the US. This seems more like people saying, "Hey, this might get serious and I should have had stuff before, but I'm going to buy stuff now for just in case." I'll be curious to see how it evolves if things here in the homeland get more serious.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: p12 on February 23, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
So your saying I could buy some dust masks and make a killing?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 23, 2020, 10:07:43 AM
Couldn't get link to copy but NBC News says Italy has locked down ten towns.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 23, 2020, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on February 23, 2020, 10:07:43 AM
Couldn't get link to copy but NBC News says Italy has locked down ten towns.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-updates-10-italian-communities-lockdown-death-toll-rises-china-n1141321
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2020, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: p12 on February 23, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
So your saying I could buy some dust masks and make a killing?

Apparently.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 23, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
Conspiracy wise who knows the truth?

The one axium you can count on is this, the official narrative is not true at all at worst and woefully incomplete at best.

We're on a need to know and it has been determined we don't need to know much or the truth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 23, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
I have a few 3M full face respirators lying around that I wear for grinding or working with paint/solvents around the house. I honestly don’t know if respirators are going to be enough without some sort of thorough decon protocol.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on February 23, 2020, 03:11:48 PM
So how much could I get for the free masks I can grab from the infection control kiosk right inside the main door at the hospital?
The hand sanitizer makes great fire starter, maybe I’ll fill a jar or 2 of that while I’m there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on February 23, 2020, 03:20:21 PM
This retardedness is causing supply issues for those of us who do need masks for work...I often wear one for dusty environments
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 23, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on February 23, 2020, 03:20:21 PM
This retardedness is causing supply issues for those of us who do need masks for work...I often wear one for dusty environments

We are still well stocked with N95 masks at work, but I work for a HUGE corporation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 23, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
After this weekend, I now have 1500ml of whiskey on hand.

Whew, that nightmare is over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 23, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
Well i might have a weekends worth if you showed up here.

Not a clue what you will drink.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2020, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: makattak on February 23, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
After this weekend, I now have 1500ml of whiskey on hand.

Whew, that nightmare is over.

Pfft. That's like the guy who thinks 1000 rounds of ammo is enough. :P   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 23, 2020, 08:37:13 PM
So if it gets bad here what are you thinking?

Ice storm level run on milk, bread and toilet paper or something much worse?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2020, 09:04:11 PM
I was expecting that there would be more negative stock market reaction. I do have to admit though, that I agree with one of the commenters at the URL that Goldman Sachs using the term "non-linear" could get me a little nervous.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/23/goldman-sachs-warns-over-coronavirus-supply-chain-inventory-risk-from-china/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 23, 2020, 09:41:22 PM
Non-linear as in, ‘the big players have slowly and quietly pulled out, and the rest of us end up in a panic sell off’
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 24, 2020, 02:22:25 AM
Looks like Peak Prosperity is keeping up with current info:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2020, 08:16:19 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on February 24, 2020, 02:22:25 AM
Looks like Peak Prosperity is keeping up with current info:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom


That was an interesting video. Especially food for thought was the incubation period and likely 40 day quarantines for safety. Coupled with the current empty food shelves in Italy shown in the video.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 24, 2020, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 24, 2020, 08:16:19 AM
That was an interesting video. Especially food for thought was the incubation period and likely 40 day quarantines for safety. Coupled with the current empty food shelves in Italy shown in the video.

I recently had a thought that the grocery pick-up services might be a very useful thing if quarantines become widespread here. No one allowed to shop in stores but the employees, who could put it in your trunk wearing a facemask, at least. (Could go with a whole suit, if people are scared enough.)

We should be able to keep at least food supply chains going with minimal human-human interaction. Truck driver pulls up, stays in the cab. Store workers remove the contents and put them in the store.

Other store workers "shop" for people who have ordered online and load them into a trunk. Driver stays in the car and opens the trunk at home.

There is some possibility for contamination through the goods themselves, but that's a decreased likelihood, from what I've been reading about transmission.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2020, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 24, 2020, 08:38:00 AM
I recently had a thought that the grocery pick-up services might be a very useful thing if quarantines become widespread here. No one allowed to shop in stores but the employees, who could put it in your trunk wearing a facemask, at least. (Could go with a whole suit, if people are scared enough.)

We should be able to keep at least food supply chains going with minimal human-human interaction. Truck driver pulls up, stays in the cab. Store workers remove the contents and put them in the store.

Other store workers "shop" for people who have ordered online and load them into a trunk. Driver stays in the car and opens the trunk at home.

There is some possibility for contamination through the goods themselves, but that's a decreased likelihood, from what I've been reading about transmission.

I think that all makes sense, other than our Just in Time inventory systems in most stores. They are all set up for some set number of interactions per day. You get panic runs, and transportation won't be able to keep up.

If your average moron US resident would listen to even the bare minimum numbers the federal government puts out with 72 hours of food and water, there would likely be a good enough buffer to allow transportation to catch up to demand spike, or to allow the fed.gov to show up with MREs and water. But we have only to look at Hurricane Katrina to see how prepared people are to go even a day without a grocery store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 24, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 24, 2020, 08:46:14 AM
I think that all makes sense, other than our Just in Time inventory systems in most stores. They are all set up for some set number of interactions per day. You get panic runs, and transportation won't be able to keep up.

If your average moron US resident would listen to even the bare minimum numbers the federal government puts out with 72 hours of food and water, there would likely be a good enough buffer to allow transportation to catch up to demand spike, or to allow the fed.gov to show up with MREs and water. But we have only to look at Hurricane Katrina to see how prepared people are to go even a day without a grocery store.

I've messaged several of my friends this weekend to get ready and have food on hand for at least a few weeks, all of the responses were "for what?"  :facepalm:
One of my friends, probably the smartest person I've ever met, responded 'LOLFLu' at first, I told him to google 'covid-19', 10 minutes later I got a reply back 'oh *expletive deleted*it.'
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2020, 09:34:20 AM
I did notice that some of the long shelf life food was showing long deliveries on Amazon.  Not all of it, but some, especially the all-in-one type packages.

I haven't heard anyone around me talking about the virus, not even family.  Some of that is there isn't much we can do about it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
If we get to the point of having discussions on "what caliber for COVID-19 zombies?", I will worry a bit more. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 24, 2020, 10:46:12 AM
I've started laying in more canned goods... Soup, beans, tomatos, etc. Also laying in and freezing things like chicken and ground turkey.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 24, 2020, 11:34:39 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 24, 2020, 10:46:12 AM
I've started laying in more canned goods... Soup, beans, tomatos, etc. Also laying in and freezing things like chicken and ground turkey.

We have... wait, I can't say tons, that might be taken literally in this group.... LOTS of canned goods. Probably not enough currently, but a few trips to ALDI and we should be fine.

Additionally, I always like to have at least a 10lb bag of rice in reserve, while we go through the 5lb jar in the kitchen.

I could probably get a few more dried beans. I think we only have 5 or 6 lbs of that.

We also have the 25 year shelf-life foods. One entire pantry shelf of those. That's at least one month of food there. Lots more if used in conjunction with other foods.

Our freezer (which I had to clear out late last year because the door had been left barely open for a few days and thawed nearly everything... THANKFULLY the bacon was on the bottom and remained frozen) is pretty well stocked. I think we've got 10lbs of hamburger, 15 lbs pork loin, unknown lbs of fish (probably over 10, though), and lots of miscellaneous other items (a few porkchops, some roast, a chicken, etc...)

I would like to get some more of the UHT Milk. We're down to one quart. I'd like to have at least 3 gallons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 24, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Yeah, you're not prepping for the Corona virus... you're prepping for the apocalypse.

And, don't you know, that since this virus originated in Asia, by keeping rice on hand as an emergency provision just proves that you're a racist bastard?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 24, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 24, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
If we get to the point of having discussions on "what caliber for COVID-19 zombies?", I will worry a bit more. 

We need a mod to change the thread title to this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 24, 2020, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 24, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Yeah, you're not prepping for the Corona virus... you're prepping for the apocalypse.

And, don't you know, that since this virus originated in Asia, by keeping rice on hand as an emergency provision just proves that you're a racist bastard?

To modify the State Farm Commercial:

"Well, I'm white... so...."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 24, 2020, 12:23:12 PM
Given the amount of meat (mostly chicken, turkey, albacore and lamb) in my freezer I think I can stay fed for quite a while.  More salt and even if power goes out for a long time and I can still stay fed (though water becomes an issue with no power).  Some extra rice and veggies and we could stay healthy for a long time if things get bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 08:56:56 AM
Iran is doing a bang up job.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/25/new-irans-deputy-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 25, 2020, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 25, 2020, 08:56:56 AM
Iran is doing a bang up job.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/25/new-irans-deputy-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 25, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: cordex on February 25, 2020, 09:13:55 AM
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.

It is the will of allah ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 09:41:23 AM
I'm surprised you guys haven't figured it out.

The reason the Kung Flu isn't ripping through the United States is because the Government's Chemtrails program has been distributing a vaccine for the past 2 months. I heard it from a guy on the interwebs, so it must be true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
I probably have 150# frozen meat, kind of low in the bacon department with just 6#. I do need to get rice and canned veggies/other canned stuff. .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 25, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: cordex on February 25, 2020, 09:13:55 AM
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.

20% infected require intensive care treatment, 5% require a ventilator while in intensive care. Without a solid healthcare system, most of those will die.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 25, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
I meant to post this yesterday.  I got some advice on prepping.  Get a decent supply of bleach and vinegar.  10% bleach solution to clean countertops and other surfaces.  Vinegar solution to soak or wash fruits and vegetables after you buy them.  It was something I wasn't thinking about so I thought I would pass it on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 25, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
^^^^^ Note that when using bleach, dwell time, PPE, pre-cleaning of surfaces to be disinfected, and using fresh solutions are key.  When doing infection control in healthcare environments, dwell time is usually the failure point.

https://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/10/Guidelines-for-Using-Bleach-updated.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 25, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 25, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
I meant to post this yesterday.  I got some advice on prepping.  Get a decent supply of bleach and vinegar.  10% bleach solution to clean countertops and other surfaces.  Vinegar solution to soak or wash fruits and vegetables after you buy them.  It was something I wasn't thinking about so I thought I would pass it on.

I was shopping Sunday evening, and noticed their supply of bleach had already been cleaned out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 25, 2020, 12:23:00 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-slovakia-election-primeminister-idUSKCN20H0A9

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“Prime Minister Peter Pellegrini was hospitalized yesterday night due to acute upper respiratory tract infection accompanied with high temperature. Due to his condition, he is cancelling his entire schedule temporarily,” Pellegrini’s office said in a statement.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 01:01:07 PM
CDC and others are starting to talk about pandemic planning if the virus starts spreading in the US...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/us-coronavirus-outbreak-increasingly-likely-and-could-drag-markets-jefferies-says.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on February 25, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
I was shopping Sunday evening, and noticed their supply of bleach had already been cleaned out.

I'll have to check Costco the next time I'm there to see what their stock looks like. I don't need any because it's one place where Costco quantities are a great deal. I buy the three pack of bleach jugs and the two pack of vinegar jugs and am set for most of a year. Longer with the bleach because I use the vinegar for tons of stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 25, 2020, 01:01:07 PM
CDC and others are starting to talk about pandemic planning if the virus starts spreading in the US...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/us-coronavirus-outbreak-increasingly-likely-and-could-drag-markets-jefferies-says.html


A couple of interesting points from link #2:

Quote
“We increasingly find it hard to believe that USA cases are as low as reported, and believe that given the flow of Chinese, Korean and Iranian nationals into North America, a large USA community-based outbreak is increasingly likely,” Powell wrote.

We don't think about the US government hiding numbers the way the Chinese and Iranians might, but???

Also, somehow this Powell guy managed to get in a, "Trump will spread the virus more." Nice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 01:55:36 PM
Yeah, I'm taking this seriously now.

I just put the finishing touches on a list of stuff I'm going to start laying in now, with the intention of having a 2 to 4 week supply of food just in case the Kung really hits the Flu.

Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.

I'm also going to lay in several additional pounds each of pork, chicken, and ground turkey in the deep freeze.

And, my local grocery has bottled water on sale right now, so I'm going to pick up a couple of flats of that.

I need to do the same thing for Seren, as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 25, 2020, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 25, 2020, 01:55:36 PM
Yeah, I'm taking this seriously now.

I just put the finishing touches on a list of stuff I'm going to start laying in now, with the intention of having a 2 to 4 week supply of food just in case the Kung really hits the Flu.

Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.

I'm also going to lay in several additional pounds each of pork, chicken, and ground turkey in the deep freeze.

And, my local grocery has bottled water on sale right now, so I'm going to pick up a couple of flats of that.

I need to do the same thing for Seren, as well.


Oh, I forgot about the 15+ boxes of mac n cheese we have.

I need to check how much pasta we have. I tend to stockpile and then whittle down. I think we're low. We do have 6-8 jars of pasta sauce, each one good for about 2 meals.

For those interested in shelf-stable milk, Dollar Tree carries it for $1 per quart. (I'll be picking more up this week.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 02:14:08 PM
I normally don't use milk, but I may pick up a quart just to have something for my coffee. Can you leave it out after it's opened or do you have to refrigerate it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on February 25, 2020, 02:14:53 PM
In some of the latest news I heard today that a South Korean Airlines Flight Attendant tested positive for Covid-19. That could make things interesting, multiple exposures on multiple flights going to multiple destinations. Somebody at the CDC will be earning their paycheck this week.

In other news why are flight attendants always trying to destroy mankind with strange diseases? Patient zero in the AIDS epidemic was a flight attendant, just in case you forgot. Maybe we don't need a meteor, just a few more flight attendants. ;)

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 25, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Flight attendants, the spawn of Satan.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 25, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 25, 2020, 02:14:08 PM
I normally don't use milk, but I may pick up a quart just to have something for my coffee. Can you leave it out after it's opened or do you have to refrigerate it?

As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening.

It's a different taste from normal milk. I'm fine with it, but the children complain. For cooking, I can't tell any difference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 02:31:39 PM
"As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening."

I didn't realize that you had to refrigerate flight attendants after you opened them. Maybe that's why they don't smell as fresh the next morning...  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 25, 2020, 01:55:36 PM

Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.

I would just suggest adding some fruit to that, or at least a bottle of vitamins to substitute.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2020, 02:46:27 PM
Fruit is on the list I made, it just didn't make the message here. I also have a strong supply of multi vitamins at home, so I'm good there, as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 25, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 25, 2020, 02:31:39 PM
"As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening."

I didn't realize that you had to refrigerate flight attendants after you opened them. Maybe that's why they don't smell as fresh the next morning...  >:D

He edited it after I posted just to make me look silly! You're all out to get me!!  [tinfoil] :old:

But, yes, be sure to refrigerate your "flight attendant." If that's what you want to call her.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: makattak on February 25, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening.

It's a different taste from normal milk. I'm fine with it, but the children complain. For cooking, I can't tell any difference.

I'm so used to sweet alfalfa and silage, non alkaline watered dairy cows, that most milk tastes funny to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 04:06:07 PM
I use the carnation powdered milk for some cooking, and when I have been out of regular milk and too embarrassingly lazy to hit the store, have used it in cereal and whatnot. Worked fine. The key is to have it really chilled.

https://www.amazon.com/Carnation-Instant-Milk-Powdered-22-75/dp/B082LYGPJ9?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 25, 2020, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 25, 2020, 04:06:07 PM
I use the carnation powdered milk for some cooking, and when I have been out of regular milk and too embarrassingly lazy to hit the store, have used it in cereal and whatnot. Worked fine. The key is to have it really chilled.

https://www.amazon.com/Carnation-Instant-Milk-Powdered-22-75/dp/B082LYGPJ9?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: makattak on February 25, 2020, 04:13:54 PM
I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.

I buy it in I think 9oz six packs on Amazon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: makattak on February 25, 2020, 04:13:54 PM
I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.

Walmart has packages that make 1.5 or 3 qts at a time, can't recall off hand. I use it to make pudding for wilderness trips
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 25, 2020, 04:57:19 PM
 Used to keep four quarts of the dollar tree stuff in he cabin all,the time. The last few years have been a little rough on me so the long drive to get it wasn't a priority. It works great in gravy or even cereals . I would put one in fridge so it was cold and when it got opened I would put another in to chill. My daughter liked it better than regular milk.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on February 25, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
What is the accepted method for storing flour?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 25, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: zahc on February 25, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
What is the accepted method for storing flour?



Air tight in the freezer has worked for me for white and whole wheat flour. Also for cornmeal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 25, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
If you're talking 5gal bucket quantities, a food grade bucket with airtight (more or less) lid in a dark, moderate temperature location.

Smaller quantities I might use gallon zip locks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 25, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
 Do the same as Larry any ground stuff is in the freezer until needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Well, it's really starting to hit the front pages of the news sites now. Even if it's not severe, I expect at least another 2000 down on the Dow this week (dropped almost another 900 today), and let the panic buying of food and supplies commence.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-disruption-in-us-might-be-severe-cdc-official-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 25, 2020, 09:04:38 PM
Seems to me that 2 to 4 weeks of supplies isn't going to be enough, if this goes full-on pandemic.  It takes ~2 weeks for symptoms to appear. 

With no vaccination and an unknown number of contagious people moving around this isn't going to go away soon.  If the .gov steps in and starts shutting things (transport, movement, etc.) down, I think they'll be shut down for quite a while - months?

Got more than 2 months food stored, a few hundred thousand gallons of water in the pond (and a lot of filters, bleach etc.), ammo (never enough), a couple of (fairly) steady sources of income w/o having to go to work.  Gonna buy more long term storage type foods tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 25, 2020, 09:13:07 PM
Lack the money but more salt and gas would be nice to have. Can get fresh meat anytime here. Might have to trade defense for the Amish for fresh veggies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 25, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
Thanks Jim147, I'd forgotten about the fuel supply.  Only have ~20 gals on hand - think I'll top off the cans come Thursday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on February 25, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
Thanks Jim147, I'd forgotten about the fuel supply.  Only have ~20 gals on hand - think I'll top off the cans come Thursday.

I don't know if we'll see any gas hoarding, but I actually need another 5 gallon gas can anyway for my small engine stuff, and overly cautious or not, I think I'm going to fill the tanks on both vehicles whenever they get below 2/3 of a tank for the immediate future, just to keep them topped off. If nothing else, it will give me a buffer in case there are any price spikes on fuel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 25, 2020, 09:29:58 PM
Just ordered some rechargeable batteries I've been putting off buying. Seem like most of them are coming from China nowadays.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: zahc on February 25, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
What is the accepted method for storing flour?



I keep 5# or 10# in the freezer so I never run out in the middle of baking/making something.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2020, 09:41:47 PM
Everything I've read says refined flour is good in a cool, dark place for 1-2 years. I just keep mine in the pantry. I usually bake a loaf of bread every week or two, so a ten pound bag never sits for more than 6 months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 25, 2020, 09:41:47 PM
Everything I've read says refined flour is good in a cool, dark place for 1-2 years. I just keep mine in the pantry. I usually bake a loaf of bread every week or two, so a ten pound bag never sits for more than 6 months.

I got humidity where I live, freezer keeps it dry.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 25, 2020, 10:17:35 PM
I am thinking about the idea of cooking for myself for 3 or 4 weeks without any outside food.  I made a list of more stuff to go get tomorrow.  I probably have enough now, but need to keep it more interesting so it isn't just rice and Mountain House. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 25, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 25, 2020, 10:17:35 PM
I am thinking about the idea of cooking for myself for 3 or 4 weeks without any outside food.  I made a list of more stuff to go get tomorrow.  I probably have enough now, but need to keep it more interesting so it isn't just rice and Mountain House. 

I've been doing the same thing with what I have for meat in the freezer, got a list going. Also picked up about 10# of bacon and brats from a meat locker on the way home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 01:01:16 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak-2020-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/

Good. Panic combined with incompetence is exactly what we need.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 26, 2020, 04:47:10 AM
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Mayor London Breed announced Tuesday afternoon that while there haven't been any confirmed cases of the coronavirus disease, COVID-19, in San Francisco so far, the city needs to be prepared in case the virus spreads to the area.

In other words order free gloves and masks for the homeless and get the speech blaming Trump ready
I hope I am exaggerating but probably not by much if I am
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 26, 2020, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 01:01:16 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak-2020-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/

Good. Panic combined with incompetence is exactly what we need.

SF probably needs to panic. It has a high density population center, high percentage of oriental population and visitors, plenty of human and animal body fluids spread around, fair weather that encourages outdoor social activity, and a strong mindset of "the government will protect me."  On top of that, a large percentage of the population eats out daily and doesn't stock food for more than a few days in their tiny, overpriced apartments.

The same is true of LA, Seattle, Portland, and maybe some of the suburbs.  East coast cities aren't exempt, either.  NY, Boston, DC have similar issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 26, 2020, 08:50:33 AM
Since similar articles were posted here:
https://www.nola.com/news/healthcare_hospitals/article_3dcbc20c-536b-11ea-ad68-0f430ce8649a.html
Tulane primate center will receive coronavirus samples for vaccine development
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The center's director, Jay Rappaport, said the north shore research facility that's home to several thousand monkeys is well-positioned to find a vaccine for the fast-spreading virus that originated in Wuhan, a city of 11 million in China's Hubei province.


Also some older news from a 1998:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/2-Dozen-Monkeys-Escape-From/5610
2 Dozen Monkeys Escape From Tulane Center
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Two dozen rhesus monkeys broke out of the Tulane University Regional Primate Center last week and scurried for nearby woods, with workers following to recover them.


So, What is the best caliber to keep on hand for infected monkeys?  
And what if the disease mutates and makes the monkeys really smart?  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 26, 2020, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 26, 2020, 08:50:33 AM
So, What is the best caliber to keep on hand for infected monkeys?  
And what if the disease mutates and makes the monkeys really smart?  


12 gauge with large shot.  #4 buck should be good for most monkeys. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 26, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
In our clinics, we have a metal stand in the waiting areas that hold a box of surgical masks, a bottle of hand sanitizer and some signage about covering your cough and notifying the front desk for certain symptoms.  We have now moved those stands to storage: people were coming in off the street, grabbing the box of masks and sanitizer and running out. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
In my continued monitoring of price gouging, I saw that people have apparently discovered half-mask respirators. I'm not sure if they understand how most of them are sold. They sell just the respirator, and you buy cartridges separately. Some vendors are still selling the respirator for the 25 or so bucks they're worth, while others are selling respirators with no filters for $100. Filters for them are now approaching the price of the panic-priced paper N95 respirators.

I saw a photo from a San Francisco Home Depot where an Asian guy bought every N95 mask they had. It looked like at least a dozen cases. There is apparently a very profitable black market for Chinese here to buy them up and ship them to China.

Interestingly, nitrile and other exam gloves seem to mostly be normally priced. I saw some $100 boxes, but most of them were reasonably priced in the $15 range. I find that interesting, since hands are such big spreaders of disease. If things were to get bad enough in the US, I'd almost consider wearing gloves to the grocery store more critical than wearing a mask. Put them on in the car, do the shopping, remove them before reentering your car.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 26, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 26, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: charby on February 26, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
I would say to consider just about any personal hygiene product.  Keep yourself in as good a shape as you can so other stuff doesn't drag down your immune system.  Thankfully a lot of those things last a little while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 26, 2020, 10:04:40 AM
And the first of today's daily dose of fun from CNBC...


Coronavirus live updates: Brazil confirms first case in Latin America, Italy cases triple over two days



Let's see if today's market gains hold up to that news.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
A few things heard on Fox Business this morning:

Iran is refusing to conduct any quarantine of areas or cities. Flights seem to be going in an out unhindered as well. If the virus spread spikes, it's gonna be third world shitholes that do it.

To go back to my still current belief that panic and emotion will do more harm than the virus regarding the availability of stuff in the US: Amazon, one of the largest retailers in the world, has just told all their sellers to overstock and hoard stuff that they sell to make sure they have sufficient inventory for what? For freakin' Amazon Day in July. When people might have to worry about acquiring staple goods in the present, that's almost criminal.

Trump is going to talk about virus response tonight. His Twitter snippet that I saw makes it look like it will be a "remain calm, all is well" speech. He has asked for $2.5 billion for response. Chuck Schumer immediately put in for $8.5 billion. Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!" It seems to me that $2.5 billion is good for now, given that it should be pretty darn easy to increase that quickly if things go bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 26, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 26, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
A few things heard on Fox Business this morning:

Iran is refusing to conduct any quarantine of areas or cities. Flights seem to be going in an out unhindered as well. If the virus spread spikes, it's gonna be third world shitholes that do it.

To go back to my still current belief that panic and emotion will do more harm than the virus regarding the availability of stuff in the US: Amazon, one of the largest retailers in the world, has just told all their sellers to overstock and hoard stuff that they sell to make sure they have sufficient inventory for what? For freakin' Amazon Day in July. When people might have to worry about acquiring staple goods in the present, that's almost criminal.

Trump is going to talk about virus response tonight. His Twitter snippet that I saw makes it look like it will be a "remain calm, all is well" speech. He has asked for $2.5 billion for response. Chuck Schumer immediately put in for $8.5 billion. Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!" It seems to me that $2.5 billion is good for now, given that it should be pretty darn easy to increase that quickly if things go bad.

I'd love to see Trump accept that $8.5B and put 5 of it towards the wall.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 26, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 26, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
I'd love to see Trump accept that $8.5B and put 5 of it towards the wall.
It would be nice if that was completed to at least have shot at sealing borders in cases like this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 26, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
"Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!""

They're already staying that. Pelosi was front and center croning on about how the money Trump asked for wasn't nearly enough and as a result the 150 million Americans not killed by Republican NRA members will be killed by the CoronaTrumpvirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on February 26, 2020, 10:58:36 AM
CDC briefing yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBFWGJvZA8

We haven't gone nuts, but have restocked on materials, plus laid in a little extra.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2020, 11:01:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
"Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!""

They're already staying that. Pelosi was front and center croning on about how the money Trump asked for wasn't nearly enough and as a result the 150 million Americans not killed by Republican NRA members will be killed by the CoronaTrumpvirus.

I'd like to see the line items for the dem funding ask. Reading some of my old CA news sources, I see a big progressive talking point right now is virus racism and xenophobia, so I'm wondering how many of the billions would go to "diversity enforcement" versus medical and infrastructure response.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 26, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2

Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years.  I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.

PS: According to that graphic, I actually have a 'circle beard'. But it is nonetheless narrow and does not interfere with the N95.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 26, 2020, 11:09:34 AM
Campus is having everyone double-check their remote access just in case there an instance where folks are told to stay home.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 26, 2020, 11:23:58 AM
"so I'm wondering how many of the billions would go to "diversity enforcement" versus medical and infrastructure response."

ALL of it, you unwoke cisnormal racist hater!

Treating the body doesn't matter as long as you indoctrinate the soul!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 26, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2

Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years.  I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.

I don't see neckbeard on that chart. I'll keep a razor handy, I might have to go Zappa.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 26, 2020, 12:04:57 PM
Depending on my state of trim my 'stache varies from "painter's brush" to "walrus" according to that graphic MillCreek posted.  Good.  Still no need to shave it off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 26, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: charby on February 26, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc

Batteries
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 26, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 26, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2

Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years.  I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.

PS: According to that graphic, I actually have a 'circle beard'. But it is nonetheless narrow and does not interfere with the N95.

I don't see "ZZ Top" or "Mountain Man" beard styles in that graphic. Mine falls somewhere in that range.
for now I'll take my chances.
 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 26, 2020, 01:02:44 PM
That's a built in filter
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8046727/45-passengers-allowed-Diamond-Princess-ship-symptoms-coronavirus.html

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/korean-air-flight-attendant-working-lax-flights-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 26, 2020, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8046727/45-passengers-allowed-Diamond-Princess-ship-symptoms-coronavirus.html

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/korean-air-flight-attendant-working-lax-flights-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/

They should just rename it the ‘whack-a-mole’ virus already
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 26, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
https://twitter.com/BensmanTodd/status/1232646800823246848?s=09

Quote
Yesterday I tweeted Border Patrol source saying 91 Chinese migrants were apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley sector since Jan. 1 being tested for cvirus in isolation, handled by respirator-wearing agents. No virus. More Chinese migrants now confirmed in Del Rio Sector.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 26, 2020, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: brimic on February 26, 2020, 02:59:36 PM
They should just rename it the ‘whack-a-mole’ virus already

Yep.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/83-people-in-nassau-county-being-monitored-for-possible-coronavirus-exposure/

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240674471.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 07:52:22 AM
If the mole in your Coronavirus game is my stock portfolio, the mole isn't whacked, the mole's on life support...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 27, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
The President said buy the dip.

It's a big dip so far.

I think I'll stay on the sidelines a bit longer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
Let’s Call It Trumpvirus
If you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html?partner=IFTTT
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 27, 2020, 12:17:07 PM
Just had swmbo do a Costco run.  She got 50lbs of flour, sugar, I think 25lbs of rice, a bunch of pasta and spaghetti sauce, and some other staples.  Still need this GS like tp, tampons and Advil for women, and some frozen veggies.  Also will make sure we have seeds for the garden.

When I get time I'll build an outdoor brooders for chickens and turkeys.  I was going to do that anyway, but that will let me get chicks again soon which by late May or July will fill my freezers depending on when I have the chicks delivered.  If we can succeed on getting a veggie garden going, just the rice and flour would keep us well fed for a loooong time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 12:20:45 PM
Once again, behind a paywall. But since it's NY Times' paywall, I already know the content of the article -- a long, hysterical screed about how Corona virus is 100% Trump's fault because of his racism and the China trade war and his hatred of immigrants and his antipathy toward the glories of state sponsored socialism...

And, if Obama were still in office, the virus would already have been defeated by chanting, drum circles, and healthcare for all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 12:22:53 PM
Just got back from the grocery store myself. I laid in the start of my ready reserve -- tomatoes, pasta sauce, a couple additional boxes of pasta, rice, and some chicken that I'll freeze.

Also got a large pack of bottled water.

I'll do a larger trip this weekend when I head out to Walmart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 27, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
Heading to costco tonight to pick up more rice and canned meat. My (soon to be ex)wife, who was allowed to come back to my house yesterday for a few hours to pick up personal items, grabbed some really odd items- a case of TP, 5 N95 masks, and a case of canned mushrooms. She made a post on FB asking people to get prepped, which I read before she blocked me.
She has the right idea, sort of... but if society were ever to completely break down, she wouldn't make it on her own, she's a bit naive on how the world actually works absent law and order.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 27, 2020, 12:20:45 PM
Once again, behind a paywall. But since it's NY Times' paywall, I already know the content of the article -- a long, hysterical screed about how Corona virus is 100% Trump's fault because of his racism and the China trade war and his hatred of immigrants and his antipathy toward the glories of state sponsored socialism...

And, if Obama were still in office, the virus would already have been defeated by chanting, drum circles, and healthcare for all.

If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
Local medical supply stores out of surgical masks

Louisville-area medical supply stores out of surgical masks amid coronavirus fears
https://www.wave3.com/2020/02/27/louisville-area-medical-supply-stores-out-surgical-masks-amid-coronavirus-fears/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 27, 2020, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.

I am. The only thing I can see is the headline. Scroll down one pixel and they want money.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 27, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
Not related to the beer virus, but as part of my emergency supplies, I always keep a big bottle of Costco vitamins on hand.  Just in case the apocalypse lasts long enough to disrupt food supplies and dietary deficiencies become an issue. But then again, I take the Costco equivalent of Centrum Silver once daily.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on February 27, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.

Are you running Firefox with NoScript?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
I'm running Firefox set to strict sec with Adblocker Ultimate running. Wonder if that's jamming the paywall popup?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
And I can go straight into twitchy's VIP articles. Been doing so without really realizing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 27, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
Local medical supply stores out of surgical masks

Louisville-area medical supply stores out of surgical masks amid coronavirus fears
https://www.wave3.com/2020/02/27/louisville-area-medical-supply-stores-out-surgical-masks-amid-coronavirus-fears/

My walmart out here in BFE has 0 masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 27, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/2/6/21124979/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-hoarding

Lots and lots of articles detailing the uselessness of a surgical face mask in preventing infection for the person wearing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 27, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
My walmart out here in BFE has 0 masks.


In your case I recommend a full head Saran wrap.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 27, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 27, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/2/6/21124979/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-hoarding

Lots and lots of articles detailing the uselessness of a surgical face mask in preventing infection for the person wearing it.

I always thought the advantage for masks was the infected person not coughing/spitting/sneezing particles into the air.  I was thinking from a standpoint of quarantining a sick family member at home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 27, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 27, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
I always thought the advantage for masks was the infected person not coughing/spitting/sneezing particles into the air.  I was thinking from a standpoint of quarantining a sick family member at home.


This is correct; and a properly used device (such as a fitted N95) is useful for people providing direct care to infected persons to prevent the caregivers from infection.  So if I had a sick family member at home, the sick person would be wearing a mask and everyone else in direct contact would be wearing a N95. 

It is the typical person wearing a mask in public to prevent respiratory transmission who is really not accomplishing much in terms of the beer virus.  And that is where I am seeing masks being used; at least here on the streets of Seattle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Adding razor blades to my list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 27, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Adding razor blades to my list.

Look, man, I doubt it'll come to that. Most people survive the disease. No need for drastic measures if you get infected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: makattak on February 27, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
Look, man, I doubt it'll come to that. Most people survive the disease. No need for drastic measures if you get infected.

Well apparently I suck at shooting myself   :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
Well apparently I suck at shooting myself   :lol:

Always use a revolver or the slide may break your teeth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
Oh shitballs...

California is monitoring over 8,000 people for Corona virus due to the community transmission...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/california-is-monitoring-8400-people-for-the-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 27, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
Are we panicking yet?    >:D   I wanna know!  I don't want to miss anything!   [tinfoil]    (No one ever tells me anything .... :'( )
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 02:40:26 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/41/1e/01411e17f51eb07a2abcd06f60effec5.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on February 27, 2020, 03:18:08 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
I'm running Firefox set to strict sec with Adblocker Ultimate running. Wonder if that's jamming the paywall popup?

That is probably why.  Adblocker Ultimate probably has a script blocker in it as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Man, with all you guys running to Costco, I'd better buy some more stock! :lol:

I was actually just there yesterday, but realized I'm pretty stocked up food-wise already. The only thing I bought was some frozen stuff like chimichangas that would make Jamis cringe  :laugh:  mostly because  I usually keep a couple of Costco sized packs of that stuff in the freezer for when I'm too lazy to do anything else.

I did buy a couple of extra sacks of water softener salt, as that was one of those things I didn't think about that I might need but not want to expose myself to get. There's probably more stuff like that I could use that I'm not thinking about right now - the aforementioned dog food being one of them.  I was complaining to myself about extra long lines there, but neglected to see if it was the first day of a new sale or if people were buying bulk food items and the like.

Tangentially, I realized today that I'm starting to get a little paranoid, in that yesterday, the guy who checks of your stuff at the exit at Costco was coughing into his elbow a bunch right when I got to him, then today, I just got back from grabbing a bite at a brewpub in downtown Boise, and the bartender (I was sitting at the bar) was coughing left and right and not even covering her mouth.  

Normally I wouldn't make a big deal about it, but I guess the beer virus has me a little hyper-aware, and I'm now thinking I should already minimize my interactions with crowded places, because WTF good does it do for me to live at remote Festung Ben if I drive to crowded places and potentially expose myself?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Oh, on the masks, a couple of things:

I have continued to look at mask availability and cost. I noticed that Home Depot has none available via the Internet, but all my local HDs listed N95 masks in stock or at the very least, limited quantities (maybe trying to stop black marketeers?). I wonder if that's because people here just don't seem worked up about the virus at this point, so maybe no one is bothering to get masks or anything else? I'd be curious to see how that looks in other regions that have HDs.

Also,  I saw today that masks are becoming fashion statements with the city/wealthy/celebrity crowd, and that idiot Gwynyth Paltrow was talking up how she's wearing masks on airplanes now, and of course showed herself with one of those fashion-y runners/outdoors masks that have been the rage on Amazon. Totally worthless for virus protection of course. If nothing else maybe the virus will spread like wildfire and Darwin can have his way with these morons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2020, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 27, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Oh, on the masks, a couple of things:

I have continued to look at mask availability and cost. I noticed that Home Depot has none available via the Internet, but all my local HDs listed N95 masks in stock or at the very least, limited quantities (maybe trying to stop black marketeers?). I wonder if that's because people here just don't seem worked up about the virus at this point, so maybe no one is bothering to get masks or anything else? I'd be curious to see how that looks in other regions that have HDs.

Also,  I saw today that masks are becoming fashion statements with the city/wealthy/celebrity crowd, and that idiot Gwynyth Paltrow was talking up how she's wearing masks on airplanes now, and of course showed herself with one of those fashion-y runners/outdoors masks that have been the rage on Amazon. Totally worthless for virus protection of course. If nothing else maybe the virus will spread like wildfire and Darwin can have his way with these morons.

She's an expert on water so that must mean she's also an expert on viruses

Gwyneth Paltrow thinks you can hurt water's feelings by yelling at it
https://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5773924/gwyneth-paltrow-thinks-you-can-hurt-waters-feelings-by-yelling-at-it
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 27, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
When I was at walmart today, I picked up more rice, beans, oatmeal, peanut butter, and chicken noodle soup.  I might hit up the store again tomorrow and shoot for a month's worth of meat for the freezer and more canned goods.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 27, 2020, 04:21:49 PM
added this to my prep list

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KQWCZ1-aL._AC_UX385_.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 27, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
I had to go pick up my meds today. I went to the huge town down the road, about 1,300 people. Even though I have enough food I grabbed some rice and beans since we are under normal levels. I didn't have much cash but I have plenty of food here. I have deer in the driveway cows just over the fence and fish in my millions of gallons of water.

I wish I could have got more fu l but not a nought money. Why is gas going up so much? Oil is in free fall and global demand is down. We should be under $2 a gallon but it went up to $2.30.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on February 27, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
I wish I could have got more fu l but not a nought money. Why is gas going up so much? Oil is in free fall and global demand is down. We should be under $2 a gallon but it went up to $2.30.

I've been hearing gas is going up at the pumps, but we're still at $2.40-$2.50 here, where we've been for weeks if not a few months already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 27, 2020, 08:32:33 PM
Went out today to fill the gas cans & top off the truck.  Now have ~65 gal in storage, the genset will run over 8 hrs on a couple of gallons.  If I don't need it for the genset, we'll use it mowing the yard this summer.

Price per gallon actually went down a penny since yesterday, from $2.13 to $2.12 for 85 octane E10.

Local Walmart's been out of masks since last Sunday.  It's the biggest store within ~40 miles in any direction.

I've got to be at Walmart this weekend - not good timing, but don't have much choice.  The local town has a huge flea market on the first Monday of every month, people start showing up as early as Weds before.  Traffic, both auto & foot, at least triples every month, regardless of weather or whatever.

I did pick up a bottle of hand sanitizer for both the car & truck.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 27, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
I picked up a gallon of whiskey to  sanitize from the inside out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 27, 2020, 11:31:35 PM
I also got my meds changed from 30 day to 90 day supply.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 28, 2020, 07:38:53 AM
People are putting too much stock in masks.

A mask isn't going to do much for a well person looking not to get sick. A mask on a sick person does a lot to prevent the spread of the disease.


What the well person can do to really boost the odds of not getting sick?

Frequent hand washing and hand sanitizer, especially if you're going somewhere that you're going to be touching a lot of stuff that other people have touched, like the grocery store.

And keep your hands away from your mouth and eyes. That's the most dangerous transmission vector.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:19:42 AM
Snippet heard on the news this morning. Some US official has said that the chances of the virus becoming a pandemic have doubled since yesterday to 40%.

While, thanks to the evil dictator Trump closing borders and other non-diverse stuff, we continue to have a low amount of reported cases, the "pandemic doubling" and continued talk of shortages and other panic rhetoric (Hello, Nancy & Chuck!) will only increase the chances of getting to the panic tipping point where every Joe Blow makes a run for the store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:19:42 AM
Snippet heard on the news this morning. Some US official has said that the chances of the virus becoming a pandemic have doubled since yesterday to 40%.

While, thanks to the evil dictator Trump closing borders and other non-diverse stuff, we continue to have a low amount of reported cases, the "pandemic doubling" and continued talk of shortages and other panic rhetoric (Hello, Nancy & Chuck!) will only increase the chances of getting to the panic tipping point where every Joe Blow makes a run for the store.

I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...it's likely going to spike cases this week or next in the US exponentially.  California is going to see a *expletive deleted*it ton of cases soon, mark my words.
Panic only helps the democrats running against Trump.  The markets are back down to levels they were when Obama was in office.  Unless Trump finds a way to come out on top of this, he's gonna sink.
IMHO, his first step should be removing all regulatory barriers to producing the test kits. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 28, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...it's likely going to spike cases this week or next in the US exponentially.  California is going to see a *expletive deleted*it ton of cases soon, mark my words.
Panic only helps the democrats running against Trump.  The markets are back down to levels they were when Obama was in office.  Unless Trump finds a way to come out on top of this, he's gonna sink.
IMHO, his first step should be removing all regulatory barriers to producing the test kits. 

Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?

I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.

It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 28, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
Meanwhile the headline over at CNN

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    Trump hopes for 'miracle' to make virus disappear
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 28, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?

I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.

It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.

Of course they will. But it was also one of the things Trump was able to hang his hat on.  Even government sector types (normally D voters) should have been taking long hard looks at their TSP gains and considering how Trump was affecting their bottom line in the long run.  Those gains are gone, some even more so.

The administration and the CDC not being on the same page is not a good sign.  For the CDC to go off script...the administration doesn't look good in this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:27:25 AM
I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...

I haven't seen much reporting of "missteps" outside of dubious sources like Mr Potatohead on CNN, and I'm not even sure how those reports are missteps? Screening at the borders seems prudent to me.  I would expect if there are missteps, they are mostly going to come at the state/local level (just like with Hurricane Katrina), where I would agree with you that places like CA could blow up, because they're more concerned with a PC response versus a response.

I also agree that regulatory barriers should, with expert medical consultation, be tossed. A vaccine would normally take like a year to be approved, and I was already wondering if the Trump admin might order the normal procedures to be tossed. I seem to recall him already signing something like a year ago regarding people having the right to bypass the FDA and try experimental drugs if they have some serious/terminal illness, so he would seem predisposed to circumventing the normal process.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:36:46 AM
their TSP gains and considering how Trump was affecting their bottom line in the long run.  Those gains are gone, some even more so.

But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:45:45 AM
But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.

Most people think short term, but I know quite a few who've made 5 digit gains in the last year or two under Trump.

The media is going to use this as a stick to beat Trump with. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 28, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 28, 2020, 08:29:33 AM
Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?

I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.

It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.

Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.

Bernie is going to be a disaster.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
Quote from: brimic on February 28, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.

Bernie is going to be a disaster.

Exactly. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: brimic on February 28, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.

Bernie is going to be a disaster.

I would submit that the markets ARE fine. Every once in a while, you need to purge emotional investors. While it hurts a little bit to look at my retirement accounts today, it's no worse than any other corrections over the last few decades, where I either did nothing, or did the opposite of the panicking people. Five or so years later,  I was better off than I was during the correction. Anyone who stays the course now will also be fine.

I do expect this correction to potentially stabilize/reverse in the short term, then dip again when all the multinationals post their quarterly losses due to supply chain issues related to the beer virus panic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
I would submit that the markets ARE fine. Every once in a while, you need to purge emotional investors. While it hurts a little bit to look at my retirement accounts today, it's no worse than any other corrections over the last few decades, where I either did nothing, or did the opposite of the panicking people. Five or so years later,  I was better off than I was during the correction. Anyone who stays the course now will also be fine.

I do expect this correction to potentially stabilize/reverse in the short term, then dip again when all the multinationals post their quarterly losses due to supply chain issues related to the beer virus panic.

I don't think they're done coming down.  My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
I don't think they're done coming down.  My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.

I should clarify - I also think they are still coming down, and am including first quarter reporting in that  guess  since March is a day away. so we might see drops through next month. I'm thinking a rise after that and then another dip when the 2nd Quarter numbers come in for the multinationals, so Summer might get ugly again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 28, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
If they remove barriers to vaccine testing and production, the Feds would have to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers or bring it under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  Otherwise, the manufactures are going to be sued up the wazoo when any side effects or complications of the vaccine occur.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 09:12:53 AM
Quote from: brimic on February 28, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.

Bernie is going to be a disaster.
Everyone exaggerates political talk.  Trump would have a "read my lips" moment if he suddenly decided he didn't want to build a wall and signed an amnesty bill.  Or went back on another key 2016 promise.  Something like this doesn't rise to that level.

That won't stop Democrats from trying to frame it that way, but they do that on a daily basis.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 28, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
If they remove barriers to vaccine testing and production, the Feds would have to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers or bring it under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  Otherwise, the manufactures are going to be sued up the wazoo when any side effects or complications of the vaccine occur.
If memory serves, that was what I heard recommended back in the 90's.  I can't remember what was done, but it wasn't that.  The number of vaccine makers dropped off quite a bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 28, 2020, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
I don't think they're done coming down.  My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.


We're not.

I'm thinking we'll see another 5 to 10% loss in the overall market indexes over the next 2 or so weeks... IF the virus maintains its current course. If it increases the speed of spread or becomes something more lethal, all bets are off.

But, this is a correction that the market really did need. This isn't a bad thing at all. It's a "letting the air out of the bubble for reasons OTHER than investors panicking that the bubble has gotten too big and unstable."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 09:28:07 AM
Thread title changed to more accurately describe the discussion taking place.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 28, 2020, 09:36:08 AM
Among things to be thankful for:

1) This is happening NOW, rather than October, where panicky people can better influence the election.
2) This is highlighting some dangers of "global supply chains" at the same time that we have an administration trying to repatriate a lot of business/manufacturing
3) Our biggest geo-political foe is likely to bear the brunt of #2 to the benefit of the American worker.


Now, #3 may cause some other issues as China might start getting frisky when its people start getting angry at their government, but unless we are (some of our leaders are) willing to accept Chinese hegemony in the world, that was going to happen at some point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 28, 2020, 09:36:08 AM

2) This is highlighting some dangers of "global supply chains" at the same time that we have an administration trying to repatriate a lot of business/manufacturing


I'm kind of hoping that something good that will come of this is the US waking up to where our stuff comes from. Repatriating the production of stuff, even if it means paying 10% more, would not be a bad thing.

We don't need to stop international trade, but it would certainly be good to look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 28, 2020, 09:52:14 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 09:40:56 AM
I'm kind of hoping that something good that will come of this is the US waking up to where our stuff comes from. Repatriating the production of stuff, even if it means paying 10% more, would not be a bad thing.

We don't need to stop international trade, but it would certainly be good to look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.

Having at least a skeletal infrastructure for necessary good production in our country ought to be the minimum we would accept. At least it would give us a better chance of being able to scale up, should something disruptive happen. This situation is not the worst that could happen, and we ought to use it as a wake-up call.

I don't have a lot of faith in human nature's ability to learn and apply lessons. I fear that after this is over we'll try to go back to exactly how it used to be until something worse comes along.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 28, 2020, 09:55:33 AM
N/M
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on February 28, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: makattak on February 28, 2020, 09:52:14 AM
Having at least a skeletal infrastructure for necessary good production in our country ought to be the minimum we would accept. At least it would give us a better chance of being able to scale up, should something disruptive happen. This situation is not the worst that could happen, and we ought to use it as a wake-up call.

I don't have a lot of faith in human nature's ability to learn and apply lessons. I fear that after this is over we'll try to go back to exactly how it used to be until something worse comes along.

It's a capitalist market.  Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas.  Any company that doesn't do this risks being buried by competitors who do.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on February 28, 2020, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on February 28, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas.
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 09:40:56 AM
look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
I think people are very gung-ho for these kind of things when it's their guy in charge, but that doesn't last forever.
Things can get swampy real quick - Solyndra anyone?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 28, 2020, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 28, 2020, 09:15:34 AM

We're not.

I'm thinking we'll see another 5 to 10% loss in the overall market indexes over the next 2 or so weeks... IF the virus maintains its current course. If it increases the speed of spread or becomes something more lethal, all bets are off.

But, this is a correction that the market really did need. This isn't a bad thing at all. It's a "letting the air out of the bubble for reasons OTHER than investors panicking that the bubble has gotten too big and unstable."
I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 28, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:45:45 AM
But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.

Quote from: JamisJockey
Most people think short term, but I know quite a few who've made 5 digit gains in the last year or two under Trump.

The media is going to use this as a stick to beat Trump with.

Ben beat me to it, but those gains are absolutely NOT gone.  Most of my TSP  is in the L2040 fund, which was $24.69 a share on 21 Jan 2016, and is $36.26 a share yesterday.  Those .gov employees are still, after the coronavirus drop, way better off with Trump.

I think the market's got a little more to fall, but will be pretty well recovered by Oct, so Trump can still use it as a campaign item.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
Couple of other things that I heard on Fox Business while walking the dog this morning:

1) On the markets, an interesting conversation on how algorithms are affecting things right now. They weren't as prevalent back in 2008, but now may be nudging some "sell" decisions, perhaps significantly so.

2) Pet medications. I wasn't even thinking about this. They were clear that there is no shortage now and there may not be one, but these meds/med components are offshored just like human meds. Coincidentally, I had it marked on my calendar to order heartworm and flea tabs from the vet for Steve, because I just ran out this month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 28, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Drive through testing seems like a good idea as opposed to an hour in a crowded waiting room. Apparently results are available in two days.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/south-korea-drive-through-coronavirus-test-facilities-12477046
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: dogmush on February 28, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
the L2040 fund,

L2040? Damn young kid whippersnappers with a long time horizon!  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 28, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
"I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between."

OK, then I'll sit at my desk and white knuckle it while drinking heavily while you run around in circles flapping your arms and screeching about how the sky is falling.

Between the two of us we should have it covered.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 28, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
I need to get Seren's flea/tick meds ordered.

I take her off of them in the winter. I keep her on heartworm all year long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on February 28, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
It's a capitalist market.  Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas.  Any company that doesn't do this risks being buried by competitors who do.
Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit.  Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable. 

When people like Obama and his group come in, they always increase taxes, increase the regulatory burden, and increase the liability/administrative cost of employees. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on February 28, 2020, 11:15:49 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 11:08:06 AM
Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit.  Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable. 

When people like Obama and his group come in, they always increase taxes, increase the regulatory burden, and increase the liability/administrative cost of employees. 

Another lesser known one is that the government subsidizes international shipping, such that it's actually cheaper to ship something (small) from China, than from Columbia, SC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 28, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 28, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
"I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between."

OK, then I'll sit at my desk and white knuckle it while drinking heavily while you run around in circles flapping your arms and screeching about how the sky is falling.

Between the two of us we should have it covered.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Shoot, I'm all smiles and giggles today. At 9am, I was up 6 figures, but that has fallen to very high 5 figures. The bigger the market crash, the more I'm going to rake in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/27/who-says-coronavirus-entered-iran-unseen-and-undetected-warns-outbreak-could-be-even-worse.html?__twitter_impression=true
WHO says coronavirus entered Iran 'undetected,' warns outbreak could be worse than is known

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The majority of Iran's cases have been linked to Qom, a major religious destination for *expletive deleted*it pilgrims 85 miles south of Tehran, Iran's health ministry spokesman said on state television Tuesday. An official from Qom claimed Monday that 50 people had died in the city. Tehran quickly rejected the figure and denied hiding anything.

Quote
Iran hasn't suspended flights from China, one of its top trading partners, despite nearly all of its Middle Eastern neighbors doing so.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 28, 2020, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: brimic on February 28, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Shoot, I'm all smiles and giggles today. At 9am, I was up 6 figures, but that has fallen to very high 5 figures. The bigger the market crash, the more I'm going to rake in.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: I was up 65000 for the day at 9am, I ended up only being 7K up at the end of the day.  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: There was messaging of the MFing FED stepping in to at at 1:30 (my time) today, and all of my dreams of cocaine and hookers went to *expletive deleted*it.
Still made a nice 45k for the week.
I need a drink.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 28, 2020, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 28, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/27/who-says-coronavirus-entered-iran-unseen-and-undetected-warns-outbreak-could-be-even-worse.html?__twitter_impression=true
WHO says coronavirus entered Iran 'undetected,' warns outbreak could be worse than is known



Iran is extra *expletive deleted*ed.  Sounds like it’s out of control there... reports are the mortality rate is high teens.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 28, 2020, 07:17:22 PM
I would expect nothing less from a backwards, third world shithole like Iran.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:02:02 PM
Yeah, apparently like three or four high level people in Iran's government have the virus. At least that we know of. How crappy of a response do you have to have to get your top leadership infected?


In the meantime, the stories about American "preppers" are starting:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/pandemic-preppers-arm-up-person-with-the-most-ammo-wins
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2020, 08:05:12 PM
Also people are starting to go bonkers regarding masks:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/28/people-are-using-bras-diapers-and-sanitary-napkins-instead-of-masks-to-help-prevent-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on February 28, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on February 28, 2020, 07:17:22 PM
I would expect nothing less from a backwards, third world shithole like Iran.


It's just sad that Islam put them into shithole status.  Imagine the place with no revolution.  It's not hard,  there's pictures..

Current situation sucks for Haji Bob on the street,  but reap the whirlwind.

/ thread drift

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 06:45:30 AM
Quote from: Andiron on February 28, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
It's just sad that Islam put them into shithole status.  Imagine the place with no revolution.  It's not hard,  there's pictures..

Current situation sucks for Haji Bob on the street,  but reap the whirlwind.

/ thread drift



Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?

(https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2020, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 06:45:30 AM
Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?

[img]https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg


I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 29, 2020, 08:42:25 AM
I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.

Most revolutions are the act of kicking out one authoritarian ahole and replacing them with another, often worse, authoritarian ahole
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 29, 2020, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 29, 2020, 08:42:25 AM
I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.

Even dictators have their good qualities says Bernie.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Most revolutions are an act of kicking out one authoritarian ahole and replacing them with another, often worse, authoritarian ahole

This right here.  And the USA has a proven record of helping the worse of two evils get into power...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 09:56:59 AM
https://ncov2019.live/

This is kind of the best clearing house for raw data on the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 10:49:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 29, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide

Unsurprising.  This is why the new green deal is such bullshit. The US could go to 0 emissions, and it would be less than 1% of the worlds total emissions, which is mostly led by China and India.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on February 29, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on February 29, 2020, 06:45:30 AM
Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?




That's the one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
They're really pushing this Trumpvirus business

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/shameless-byron-york-spots-ny-times-columnists-trying-to-get-trumpvirus-to-catch-on/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2020, 01:34:13 PM
Looks like we just had the first US death. While it's just one person (RIP, of course), being the first death will likely up potential emotional panic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on February 29, 2020, 01:37:18 PM
If only people over on that side of the mountains were as concerned about a measles epidemic or flu deaths as they are on this. I am sure there will be more fear mongering as the day goes on by the left and others. I expect the shelves to be stripped bare on the west side PDQ.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 29, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
^^^The Seattle-King County Health Department is holding a press conference at 4 pm to release more details.  I am guessing it was someone elderly or had pre-existing disease burdens, but it will be interesting to learn the details.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on February 29, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
And in other news, 2 patients under quarantine in Spokane in a special pathogens unit have been released back into the wild, or we could say 50% of people under observation here just to make it sound monumental.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
Wouldn't surprised me one bit, if they haven't already, if they start screaming racism over any "POC"s held in quarantine cages.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 29, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide

Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 29, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 29, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
^^^The Seattle-King County Health Department is holding a press conference at 4 pm to release more details.  I am guessing it was someone elderly or had pre-existing disease burdens, but it will be interesting to learn the details. 0

The news report I heard via radio indicated a 65 year old lady with pre-existing breathing problems. 

Statistically,  we were always guaranteed that we would never escape without some deaths.  People with weak or compromised immune systems are always more vulnerable to other, especially new, diseases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 29, 2020, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country

I see no comments from any side at the link .... just a story about nitrogen levels over China .... ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country

Yeah, Fox News commenters, both left and right, are an interesting lot. Seems like you get the worst from both sides posting there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 02:50:12 PM
JHFC

‘You’re proving him correct’! Dana Milbank’s claim that Trump called the coronavirus a ‘hoax’ melts BS detectors (ROLL TAPE)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/youre-proving-him-correct-dana-milbanks-claim-that-trump-called-the-coronavirus-a-hoax-melts-bs-detectors-roll-tape/

Pile on!

Talking point status: RECEIVED! Politico, NBC News, Bill Kristol, Rep. Ted Lieu & Joe Biden join those claiming Trump called coronavirus a ‘hoax’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/talking-point-status-received-politico-nbc-news-bill-kristol-rep-ted-lieu-joe-biden-join-those-claiming-trump-called-coronavirus-a-hoax/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on February 29, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
It's not often you see the AP calls out the Democratic Party.

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2020, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: zahc on February 29, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
It's not often you see the AP calls out the Democratic Party.

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Quote
By LAURAN NEERGAARD and CALVIN WOODWARD

Security will escort you to your desks to clean them out and then to the door. You have 5 minutes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
Also:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/oof-journo-asks-trump-if-media-reports-are-true-that-hes-muzzling-the-niaid-director-the-doctors-response-is-another-msm-fail/

Man, Trump is going to win 2020 by such a landslide... and it will be 75% the dems and MSM's doing. They are the best campaign ads the guy could hope for.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 29, 2020, 06:37:37 PM
Grocery store was crazy today. I went to Aldi's to pick up canned veggies and fruit balance out the pantry. People were buying cases of shelf stable food. Not sure if was the first of the month welfare check run or people were actually stockpiling food.

I can pretty much quarantine in for over a month now after the last couple days of shopping.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 01, 2020, 07:18:52 AM
I went to the grocery yesterday morning. It was 9 o'clock on a Saturday, the regular crowd shuffled in. There was an old man shopping next to me, looking for lemons and gin...

Billy Joel aside, it was a regular Saturday late morning at the local Giant.

I'm going to hit up WalMart this morning for some more things. I want to get another chunk of chuck, as I'm making borscht today and I don't have quite enough. Also thinking about getting some frozen chicken patties; stuff that will hold up decently well to long storage in the deep freeze.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 07:40:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gLR6yhV.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2020, 09:15:59 AM
CNN still having a fit over the supposed lack of diversity, and thus no clue :facepalm:, of the White House Coronavirus Taskforce.
Apparently this problem can only be solved by the POWER OF DIVERSITY.  

Quote
   This room looks like America, that is America about 40 years ago. The strength of our country is diversity across gender, race, religion and ethnicity. If you wonder why these guys never seem to have a clue, just look at the faces around that table. https://t.co/HioUuvAkLh

    — Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 1, 2020

Sorry VIP section again.

The lack of diversity on Trump’s coronavirus task force is still really bugging CNN’s Joe Lockhart
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/29/the-lack-of-diversity-on-trumps-coronavirus-task-force-is-still-really-bugging-cnns-joe-lockhart/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
Trumpvirus in NY

Quote
    BREAKING – @NYGovCuomo: "This evening we learned of the first positive case of novel #coronavirus — or COVID-19 — in New York State. The patient, a woman in her late thirties, contracted the virus while traveling abroad in Iran, and is currently isolated in her home.

    — Tony Morrison (@THETonyMorrison) March 2, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/01/gov-cuomo-announces-first-case-of-covid19-coronavirus-in-ny-state-but-he-doesnt-say-exactly-where/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 01, 2020, 09:15:25 PM
It’s been in NY...we’re just getting around to testing.  Flat *expletive deleted*ing dropped the ball on the response...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 01, 2020, 09:15:25 PM
It’s been in NY...we’re just getting around to testing.  Flat *expletive deleted*ing dropped the ball on the response...

^This. Especially since it can be asymptomatic and contagious for weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 01, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
^^^

It is everywhere, the estimates are that it has been in WA state for 6 weeks at least, now we are looking and now we will find.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
From another forum:

Quote
There is no stopping this thing. With an R0 of 5+ COVID-19 can only run it's course. That's why the CDC is not testing people in the US. The fact is we already have tens of thousands infected. Look at the number of people being monitored or under self-quarantine around the country. That is the number of symptomatic cases. 10,000+ in CA and NY alone.
The government is probably making the right decision here by keeping a lid on information. This cannot be stopped so the only solution is management and clean-up. FEMA is strategically placing materials in anticipation of panic when word of the outbreak spreads. They need to coordinate across all levels of government and business to try to make this as soft of a landing as possible. They cannot let people know that we, as a society, are helpless in the face of this demon. We will run out of basic medical supplies by April and there will be no resupply from China as they will still be shut down.
The cavalry is not coming.
The longer they can keep the public placid, the better chance they have at staging supplies ahead of the mass chimpout. Officials are trying to figure out how to do things like getting meals to the children who rely on government schools for food everyday once local districts start closing. They're discussing how to keep people in their homes when they can't work and miss mortgage payments. They're trying to figure out how to keep the markets as quiet as possible because a complete economic collapse very well may kill more productive people than the virus itself. They are trying to manage as best they can with a series of horrible outcomes facing them and the longer they can plan in relative peace the better.
We are on our own.
The government has resigned itself to the fact that we will all be infected sooner or later. The trolley problem has come to life.
We can sacrifice the economy to save people or sacrifice people to save the economy.
The ride never ends.

I hate to say it, but it fits so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 01, 2020, 10:42:27 PM
I'd like to see some sort of reliable source for an R0 of 5+
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: dogmush on March 01, 2020, 10:42:27 PM
I'd like to see some sort of reliable source for an R0 of 5+

There are no reliable sources yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 01, 2020, 11:09:13 PM
RO = ?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on March 01, 2020, 11:09:13 PM
RO = ?

It's how many people every contagious person infects. We need it less than 1.

https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 01, 2020, 11:12:03 PM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 02, 2020, 12:02:47 AM
To put it in perspective the regular flu is R0 around 2. Smallpox is about 6, and untreated TB is about 10.

COVID-19 being at 5 is highly unlikely, as that is more than double any other strain of Coronavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 02, 2020, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: dogmush on March 02, 2020, 12:02:47 AM
To put it in perspective the regular flu is R0 around 2. Smallpox is about 6, and untreated TB is about 10.

COVID-19 being at 5 is highly unlikely, as that is more than double any other strain of Coronavirus.

SARS (another Coronavirus) was 4, from the last link I posted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 02, 2020, 06:09:59 AM
Iran’s death percentage is way down but only because detections are way up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2020, 07:40:51 AM
Measles R0?

12 to 18.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2020, 07:41:48 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 01, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
From another forum:

I hate to say it, but it fits so far.


I LOVE screechy panic monkey mode!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 02, 2020, 07:41:48 AM

I LOVE screechy panic monkey mode!

My thought, too.

That guy needs to tighten his tinfoil hat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 08:17:05 AM
Well, hoarding has hit the mainstream:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-hoarding-boost-these-companies

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-california-oregon-grocery-panic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2020, 08:32:42 AM
Not surprising at all.

I was seeing some... interesting... gaps on the shelves at the local Walmart yesterday. Nothing untoward, and not widespread, and bread and milk were in plentiful supply, but random items that they normally have, such as Zatarain's Red Beans and Rice, were missing.

I've been talking to a number of my friends and I believe that we are all ahead of the bell curve on this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 02, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
#2 died in Washington State this morning, how long until we quit counting deaths related to this virus in the US?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 02, 2020, 08:47:07 AM
Quote from: charby on March 02, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
#2 died in Washington State this morning, how long until we quit counting deaths related to this virus in the US?

Pretty sure it'll need to top 20K.

And since it just passed 3K worldwide, that'll take a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 02, 2020, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 02, 2020, 08:32:42 AM
I've been talking to a number of my friends and I believe that we are all ahead of the bell curve on this.

We tend to be more aware of what's going on in the world as that is one of our hobbies. (As evidenced by our discussions here.)

I don't think any of use were panicking- the risk to otherwise healthy people from this virus is fairly small.1 As my biggest concern is my children, I was relieved to read how coronavirii tend not to be dangerous to young children.

As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")

It's surprising how little some people are aware of world events. My wife relies on me to know what's going on in the world and most of her friends don't really follow the news.






1: I'm aware we have several members who aren't "otherwise healthy", but I don't think they are panicking either. They just have a different risk structure and should take even more care to prevent infection.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 08:59:01 AM
Well, one irritating tangential of a "just affects Ben" nature: With a somewhat mild Winter here, I'm needing to start spraying for weeds and whatnot, and don't have spare filters for my half mask. The 3M vapor cartridges I use that normally cost $15, are either $100 or not available. Idiots are now buying out organic vapor and acid respirators. I guess I'll need to use last year's cartridges, hope they're still good, and pick a day with some light wind.

Gotta wonder how many people that do stuff for a living that requires respiratory protection are SOL if they need replacement equipment right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 02, 2020, 08:54:09 AM
As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")

Yup, that's certainly where I was. Rather than possibly needing to dip into the "real SHTF stores", I bought steak and other stuff for the freezer, and made sure I had extra convenience stuff like paper towels and TP*, and water softener salt and other things that aren't critical, but would be a nuisance to be without if I decided I didn't want to be around people for a while, or else were everyday things (that the linked article above verified) that people were going to panic buy.

* I have always kept loads of Costco sized TP packages around in the belief that they will make me a wealthy post-apocalyptic Warlord.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 09:10:06 AM
TP, booze, cigarettes/tobacco are easily stored and traded/sold after the Bugaloo starts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 02, 2020, 08:54:09 AM
We tend to be more aware of what's going on in the world as that is one of our hobbies. (As evidenced by our discussions here.)

I don't think any of use were panicking- the risk to otherwise healthy people from this virus is fairly small.1 As my biggest concern is my children, I was relieved to read how coronavirii tend not to be dangerous to young children.

As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")

It's surprising how little some people are aware of world events. My wife relies on me to know what's going on in the world and most of her friends don't really follow the news.






1: I'm aware we have several members who aren't "otherwise healthy", but I don't think they are panicking either. They just have a different risk structure and should take even more care to prevent infection.
When it comes to news, I mostly get it from my twitter feed, talk radio, here, and occasionally news headline sites.  I stopped watching TV news of any kind years ago.  I check the weather report occasionally, but that's it.  With the constant liberal spin, 'if-it-bleeds-it-leads' reporting, and the "sob story of the day", I found it was just depressing.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Yup, that's certainly where I was. Rather than possibly needing to dip into the "real SHTF stores", I bought steak and other stuff for the freezer, and made sure I had extra convenience stuff like paper towels and TP*, and water softener salt and other things that aren't critical, but would be a nuisance to be without if I decided I didn't want to be around people for a while, or else were everyday things (that the linked article above verified) that people were going to panic buy.

* I have always kept loads of Costco sized TP packages around in the belief that they will make me a wealthy post-apocalyptic Warlord.  :laugh:
I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread.  I don't have any steaks.  Thanks for the reminder.  Add that to my list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 02, 2020, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread.  I don't have any steaks.  Thanks for the reminder.  Add that to my list.


Jelly! I think we only have about 1/3 of a jar of jelly left.1 Added to the list.




1: Of the kids' jelly. We have almost a full jar of some very good blackberry preserves, but that's not going on PB&Js.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 02, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
So one of the Washingtons state residents who is identified as having COVID-19 was in one of my clinics last week with respiratory symptoms.  Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 02, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 02, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
So one of the Washingtons state residents who is identified as having COVID-19 was in one of my clinics last week with respiratory symptoms.  Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
The Mormon home storage center?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 02, 2020, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 02, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.

Out and about, sharing the virus far and wide?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 02, 2020, 09:40:03 AM
Locally owned AOR radio station has been announcing every 30 minutes to stock up on food and sanitation/hygiene supplies to make through 2-3 weeks. Rational is if you're sick, you can stay home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 02, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 08:59:01 AM
Well, one irritating tangential of a "just affects Ben" nature: With a somewhat mild Winter here, I'm needing to start spraying for weeds and whatnot, and don't have spare filters for my half mask. The 3M vapor cartridges I use that normally cost $15, are either $100 or not available. Idiots are now buying out organic vapor and acid respirators. I guess I'll need to use last year's cartridges, hope they're still good, and pick a day with some light wind.

Gotta wonder how many people that do stuff for a living that requires respiratory protection are SOL if they need replacement equipment right now.

What are you spraying that requires a respirator?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: charby on March 02, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
What are you spraying that requires a respirator?

Nothing that requires one, but I'm super paranoid about breathing crap in. Just Roundup and Crossbow right now. I even wear a respirator (just a paper N95) when I use the leaf blower.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 02, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Nothing that requires one, but I'm super paranoid about breathing crap in. Just Roundup and Crossbow right now. I even wear a respirator (just a paper N95) when I use the leaf blower.

Gotcha
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
IMO, it is not a bad idea to avoid unnecessary exposure to any of the "harmless" chemicals we use in the house or out in the yard/land. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:33:35 AM
A couple of interesting snippets heard on the business news this morning:

A discussion panel composed of epidemiologists and other experts were making the case that the lack of information and misinformation coming out of China were not all China's fault, but that much of the blame is squarely in WHO's domain. Apparently they have been really bad about information handling, and one of the WHO bigwigs happens to also be /have been a bigwig in the Chinese government.

Another discussion about people being smart and teleworking got me to thinking about what this virus might have looked at 30 years ago. I have no idea on numbers, but certainly a good part of the modern workforce can easily telecommute without much economic or operational effect for them or their employer. Without that current ability, I wonder how much farther the virus might have spread?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 10:48:53 AM
30 years ago we didn't have the world connected by air travel that could take a person around the globe in 24 hours. Nor did we have hundreds of cargo ships delivering rubber dog *expletive deleted*it from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2020, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.

Of course they are. Allah demands it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 10:48:53 AM
30 years ago we didn't have the world connected by air travel that could take a person around the globe in 24 hours.

Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.

In the new 14th century germs/viruses don't exist just like they didn't in the old 14th century
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.

Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
Hearing hand-sanitizer is getting hard to find. Can't confirm this myself.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.

Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
I saw that also.  A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them.  Mostly the "one month supply" type packages.  Mountain House was like that also.  Some of the less common cans were still available. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 02, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 11:18:48 AM
In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.

Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.

Nothing causes shortages like the rumor of shortages . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.

Yes, but nothing like today.  Flying is cheaper, easier, and more common than 30 years ago.  Now, average income brackets can travel from the US to China non-stop easily.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 02, 2020, 12:03:12 PM
I saw that also.  A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them.  Mostly the "one month supply" type packages.  Mountain House was like that also.  Some of the less common cans were still available. 

I have to say that Auguson Farms and a few other suppliers that I use/monitor have earned my respect by not jacking up their prices, when they easily could, just like 90% of the sellers on Amazon. While I need nothing from them now, I will certainly remember them when I need to restock stuff in the future. I have to say that Home Despot has been good about selling at their regular prices. They may be out of stock, but respirators and stuff are all listed at their regular prices.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 02, 2020, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 12:11:39 PM
I have to say that Auguson Farms and a few other suppliers that I use/monitor have earned my respect by not jacking up their prices, when they easily could, just like 90% of the sellers on Amazon. While I need nothing from them now, I will certainly remember them when I need to restock stuff in the future. I have to say that Home Despot has been good about selling at their regular prices. They may be out of stock, but respirators and stuff are all listed at their regular prices.
I'm mixed on that.  Holding prices in face of rapidly increasing demand just means that items will be unavailable.  That can be worse than something being expensive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Not from the ME

Quote
The leader of a controversial religious sect at the center of the coronavirus outbreak in South Korea apologized Monday as the city of Seoul has started a murder investigation into the group, saying the church refused to cooperate with efforts to stop the virus.

Coronavirus-linked South Korea sect leader apologizes for virus spread amid murder probe
https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-outbreak-controversial-religious-group
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 02, 2020, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
Hearing hand-sanitizer is getting hard to find. Can't confirm this myself.

I stopped at the store at lunch for children's tylenol.

I saw no evidence of hoarding except I saw a higher than normal number of shoppers with bottled water. Might have been a statistical anomaly or people prepping, but there were no empty spots on the shelves, for now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 02, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
Big shopping day for me today as it's my day off.

Stores (Costco, Trader Joes and local grocery) were very busy and stocked well.

If needed I could hunker down here for a month. Maybe not a very balanced diet but a full belly every day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 02, 2020, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Not just from the ME
FIFY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8063267/Videos-Iranians-LICKING-holy-shrines-despite-coronavirus-outbreak.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 02, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 02, 2020, 01:44:38 PM
FIFY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8063267/Videos-Iranians-LICKING-holy-shrines-despite-coronavirus-outbreak.html

It is the will of allah ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 02:06:33 PM
Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies

Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 02:06:33 PM
Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies

Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/


Of course it's fine for them to hold the rallies. Their sense of smugness at being the woke people, overlaid with their red hot rage, will protect them from everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 02, 2020, 02:16:02 PM

Of course it's fine for them to hold the rallies. Their sense of smugness at being the woke people, overlaid with their red hot rage, will protect them from everything.

In your best He She Transgender Whatever Man Woman It Something voice

BY THE POWER OF WOKENESS!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 02, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
Yes, but nothing like today.  Flying is cheaper, easier, and more common than 30 years ago.  Now, average income brackets can travel from the US to China non-stop easily.

Maybe for pilots flying is easier today. Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s I loved to fly. Now I hate it. And for us plebeians back in the steerage cabin, flying is much less comfortable than 30 years ago, and the entire airport/TSA experience makes flying in general significantly more difficult and unpleasant. Thirty years ago I would fly any time I had the opportunity. I had frequent flyer accounts with four or five airlines. Today I fly only as an absolute last resort.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 02, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Maybe for pilots flying is easier today. Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s I loved to fly. Now I hate it. And for us plebeians back in the steerage cabin, flying is much less comfortable than 30 years ago, and the entire airport/TSA experience makes flying in general significantly more difficult and unpleasant. Thirty years ago I would fly any time I had the opportunity. I had frequent flyer accounts with four or five airlines. Today I fly only as an absolute last resort.

You're missing the point.

Today's world is better/quicker connected with quicker and cheaper transportation compared to 30 years ago.  I didn't say it was a better experience for passengers.  I can get to every major city in the world in 24 hours or less.  And I can get to every major city fairly cheaply if I plan it right.

Today's quick, easy, convenient, cheap transportation makes containing a virus like Covid-19 nearly impossible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 02, 2020, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 02, 2020, 04:16:15 PM
You're missing the point.

Today's world is better/quicker connected with quicker and cheaper transportation compared to 30 years ago.  I didn't say it was a better experience for passengers.  I can get to every major city in the world in 24 hours or less.  And I can get to every major city fairly cheaply if I plan it right.

Today's quick, easy, convenient, cheap transportation makes containing a virus like Covid-19 nearly impossible.

NO BACK IN MY DAY, WE RODE AROUND IN SUITS AND TIES ON CONNIES AND THE PILOT CAME OUT AND TALKED TO THE PASSENGERS AND SMOKED A PIPE!!!  SHUT UP, WHIPPERSNAPPER!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 02, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 02:06:33 PM
Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies

Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/

Tomorrow is super tuesday...so...

The Irony will be if Bernie or Bloomberg end up with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Sure some on the left will be upset about this

Quote
   Dow up 1294 points today, biggest Dow point gain ever

    — Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) March 2, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/somebody-please-check-on-paul-krugman-dow-closes-with-the-largest-point-gain-in-a-single-day-ever/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 02, 2020, 05:55:37 PM
Panic buying has begun.  Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 02, 2020, 05:55:37 PM
Panic buying has begun.  Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.

Heading to Costco in a bit. Will check TP supply among other things
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 02, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 02, 2020, 05:55:37 PM
Panic buying has begun.  Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.

 :laugh: Well done.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2020, 08:24:11 PM
Just came from Costco
Zero paper towels
Zero TP
People leaving with stacks of water, a **** ton of batteries, flashlights, gas cans
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 02, 2020, 09:01:27 PM
I've been picking up odds and ends beyond the usual stuff. Hit the local "good" grocery store this evening and got a few more shelf stable items.
The store was as fully stocked as ever with the exception of my favorite grilling spice mix, damned panic buyers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 02, 2020, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 02, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
:laugh: Well done.

[Takes a bow]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 02, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
I was at Menards today.  One of the things I wanted was in the paint section, happened to notice a big empty section on a shelf.  Yup, masks and respirators, totally sold out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 02, 2020, 09:51:33 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 02, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
I was at Menards today.  One of the things I wanted was in the paint section, happened to notice a big empty section on a shelf.  Yup, masks and respirators, totally sold out.

Menards still had hand sanitizer this morning.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
Hand sanitizer is basically 2/3 isopropyl alcohol and 1/3 aloe vera gel. Just in case your store is out of the commercial product.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 02, 2020, 11:35:15 PM
Just buy whiskey and do it from the inside out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 03, 2020, 07:28:42 AM
Going to hit the local grocerateria this afternoon for lunch and to pick up a few things. I've not heard of any shortages or anything locally, but I also don't shop at Costco or BJ's.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 03, 2020, 08:00:44 AM
Turns out my Costco was out of disinfectant wipes.

I didn't even think to look for them as I have a lot if cleaning supplies.

Probably due to businesses buying them all up in order to keep their cubicle and wage slaves from impacting day to day operations by getting sick.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
I don't need anything (except I realized I have no liquid hand sanitizer - just hand wipes) but am really tempted to stop by the local Costco and Walmart this week just to see what, if anything, is being bought up.

I'm thinking these runs are pretty regionalized. It wasn't until yesterday that I even saw Idaho based news reports regarding the virus on a state/local level. Everything reported so far has mostly been about what's happening elsewhere (we have no reported cases in ID that I know of). Once we have a case in the state, I think we'll start seeing panic runs, at least in the Boise metro.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 03, 2020, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 03, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
I don't need anything (except I realized I have no liquid hand sanitizer - just hand wipes) but am really tempted to stop by the local Costco and Walmart this week just to see what, if anything, is being bought up.

I'm thinking these runs are pretty regionalized. It wasn't until yesterday that I even saw Idaho based news reports regarding the virus on a state/local level. Everything reported so far has mostly been about what's happening elsewhere (we have no reported cases in ID that I know of). Once we have a case in the state, I think we'll start seeing panic runs, at least in the Boise metro.

That's likely the case. As we have no reports of any infections within several hours' drive of us, I don't think the panic has set in here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Costco in the Seattle area:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1234729712879976448
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 03, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 03, 2020, 08:29:25 AM
Costco in the Seattle area:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1234729712879976448

Imagine going to costco to stock up so that you can hunker down in place to avoid the Wuflu, but you catch it while standing in line to check out. >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 03, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: washingtonpost
The Federal Reserve slashed the benchmark U.S. interest rate by half a percentage point Tuesday, the biggest cut since the financial crisis and a sign that global central banks are prepared to act to contain the economic fallout from the coronavirus.

The U.S. central bank has not made an emergency cut like this since 2008. Fed leaders voted unanimously in favor of the rate reduction. The highly unusual move comes on the heels of other central banks around the world lowering rates and calls by President Trump for a “big” Fed rate cut.

Trump should be pleased with this, he's been asking for awhile now.
However, I do think it kind of reinforces the "PANIC!" message.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 03, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
Trump should be pleased with this, he's been asking for awhile now.
However, I do think it kind of reinforces the "PANIC!" message.

It's really another thread, but I could go on a rant (again) about how sick I am of these unending and constant rate cuts. Knock it off, Fed and Trump! Tbills are ready to go below 1%. That's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
Oh here you go

Quote
The substance—dubbed “Miracle Mineral Solution” or “MMS”—has long been promoted by fringe groups as a combination miracle cure and vaccine for everything from autism to cancer and HIV/AIDS.

QAnon-ers’ Magic Cure for Coronavirus: Just Drink Bleach!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-conspiracy-theorists-magic-cure-for-coronavirus-is-drinking-lethal-bleach?ref=author
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 03, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Drinking bleach also cures Corona?

I remember when it did such a great job of curing AIDS by killing your HIV...

That concept even showed up in an early episode of Law and Order when Jerry Orbach was still on the series.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 03, 2020, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 03, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Drinking bleach also cures Corona?
That is ridiculous. Once you know what this virus is:
Quote from: Twitter
The Chinese were all given mandatory vaccines last fall. The vaccine contained replicating, DIGITIZED (controllable) RNA which were activated by 60Ghz mm 5G waves that were just turned on in Wuhan (as well as all other Countries using 60Ghz 5G ) with the “smart dust” that everyone on the globe has been inhaling through chemtrails. That’s why when they say someone is “cured”, the 'virus' can be “digitally” reactivated at any time and the person can literally drop dead. The Diamond Princess Cruise ship was SPECIFICALLY equipped with 60Ghz 5G. It’s basically remote assassination. Americans are currently breathing in this “smart” dust through chemtrails. Think of it like this: add the combination of vaccines, chemtrails (smart dust) and 5G and your body becomes internally digitized & can be remotely controlled. A person’s organ functions can be stopped remotely if one is deemed non-compliant. Wuhan was a test run for ID2020. The elite call this 60Ghz mm 5G wave the “V” wave (Virus) to mock us. Trump has created a space force in part to combat this weaponized technology. We need to vehemently REJECT the attempted “mandatory vaccine” issue because our lives depend on it.
It's clear that bleach isn't strong enough. Maybe mineral spirits?

Also I spoke too soon about the president being pleased.
Quote from: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1234869067892305923
The Federal Reserve is cutting but must further ease and, most importantly, come into line with other countries/competitors. We are not playing on a level field. Not fair to USA. It is finally time for the Federal Reserve to LEAD. More easing and cutting!
:O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 03, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Drinking bleach also cures Corona?

I remember when it did such a great job of curing AIDS by killing your HIV...

That concept even showed up in an early episode of Law and Order when Jerry Orbach was still on the series.

After some reading a bit some also think it cures aspergers  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 11:16:18 AM
Apparently there are people saying you can get by popping the bubbles in bubble wrap because, you know, they contain air from China.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
Speaking of  :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/CandiCdeBacaD9/status/1233407795170627586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 03, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
BRUNING STEEL WILL NOT MELT JET FUEL11!!1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 03, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
BRUNING STEEL WILL NOT MELT JET FUEL11!!1

Are you saying jet fuel causes CV?   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 03, 2020, 10:55:40 AM

Also I spoke too soon about the president being pleased. :O

Much as I don't like it, I actually get where him and the fed are coming from in the short term. With other countries at negative rates or actively cutting, it's kind of a "keep up with the Jones's" thing to stay globally competitive. In the long term though, chasing rates into negative territory is not smart, IMO. The European banks that have been doing it for a while don't seem to be doing anything except making their predicament worse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
Hong Kong police hunt armed gang stealing toilet rolls amid coronavirus panic-buying

https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/news/world/hong-kong-police-hunt-armed-gang-stealing-toilet-rolls-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying/articleshow/74169388.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 01:20:36 PM
Must be a Costco thing, Kroger is stocked up on everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 03, 2020, 02:22:35 PM
I dunno, this might belong in poly-ticks:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/denver-democrat-faces-backlash-after-tweeting-solidarity-for-spreading-coronavirus-at-trump-rallies
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 03, 2020, 02:38:37 PM
Do mutual funds count as panic buying and/or hoarding?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 03, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 02, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.

It was a giant hassle. The number of widebodys that could travel long distances was limited.  Now thanks to fuel saving engines, planes don't even need to be widebodies.  We've got A32N's flying across the pond now Airbus 320 neo)

It took multiple connections and only in limited airports just as recently as 30 years ago to get from here to somewhere like Dubai or from the east coast to Asia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 03, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
We're just now this week getting around to testing enmasse.
So the 8th death...actually died on the 26th of last week.  They circled back and tested the decedent because he was from the nursing home in WA, and died of a respiratory illness.
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ the US government is botching this. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 03, 2020, 05:27:35 PM
I'm torn between saving my money in case of a forced, lengthy leave from work and draining the savings account for more guns and ammo . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 03, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on March 03, 2020, 05:27:35 PM
I'm torn between saving my money in case of a forced, lengthy leave from work and draining the savings account for more guns and ammo . . . .

I wouldn't sweat more guns and ammo.  Have something on hand you can fight off a few looters with? That's all you need.
This is not a TEOTWAWKI level event.  It could suck. It could suck pretty bad. 
Having food means if the stores run low on stuff you want, you aren't gonna starve, and that if you get forced into quarantine you're not going to starve.
Save money and store consumables and food you'll use anyways.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 05:58:46 PM
Quite a few people in this country where almost all if not all of their diet is fast food, many of them will be in loot mode within a day or two of a quarantine .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 03, 2020, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 03, 2020, 05:58:46 PM
Quite a few people in this country where almost all if not all of their diet is fast food, many of them will be in loot mode within a day or two of a quarantine .

Quarantine may pointless already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 03, 2020, 07:11:52 PM
From what I read on FB, the local Costco stores in the Seattle area are out of toilet paper, paper towels, bottled water, disinfecting wipes, disinfecting chemicals and various canned foods. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 03, 2020, 07:16:57 PM
I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 03, 2020, 08:04:38 PM
I think it is more of a case of “If I am stuck in my house for a long time I don’t want to run out of TP!” followed by “There isn’t much TP left!  There must be a run on it and so I must buy all I can!” followed by “There is no good TP left, I will buy all the single ply junk that is left!”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on March 03, 2020, 08:42:19 PM
"Flushable Wipes" aren't. That is all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 03, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
North central Ohio Sam's Club report.

All of the rice is sold out save the smaller #10 bags.  It's just empty pallets where the normal bags were.
No Member's mark paper towels.
Very little TP of any kind.
Rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer are picked over
Ibuprofen is just gone, along with all the cold preventer chewables.  Just empty shelves.

Not very busy this evening, but the folks that were there seem to be loading up on the above and bottled water.  Saw one dude with a cart full of spam and canned chicken.

GFS, OTOH, is untouched.  Had to stop there for bread flour, since our Sam's doesn't bother stocking it anymore.



We got a couple trays of chicken thighs and some sushi.  Sam's club pro tip,  if yours gets a sushi bar, do try it.  For the price,  it's really good (for the Midwest).  I grade on a curve for any sushi not within sight of the ocean.  Ours gets extra credit for having actual Asian people* making said sushi.

(Koreans,  know the family,  good people)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 04, 2020, 06:46:18 AM
Quote from: BobR on March 03, 2020, 07:16:57 PM
I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.


bob

I'll let you in on the Prepper's Secret.  You can use TP to blow your nose.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2020, 07:27:25 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 04, 2020, 06:46:18 AM
I'll let you in on the Prepper's Secret.  You can use TP to blow your nose.

Shhhhh
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 04, 2020, 07:30:35 AM
People want to stock up on toilet paper because we're civilized. We're past the age of corn cobs, and they don't print the Sears catalog anymore.

And, if you're a TRUE prepper, you know that come the apocalypse, toilet paper will be the new currency. A man with a hoard of Charmin Ultrasoft will be Jeff Bezos wealthy...

Which leads to this question... how are they wiping their asses in The Walking Dead now that we're nearly a decade on since the great zombie apocalypse?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 04, 2020, 07:32:32 AM
"GFS"

What is GFS? Never heard of that store before.

"Koreans... sushi."

Silly man! Koreans don't make sushi, they make bulgogi!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 07:46:44 AM
Quote from: BobR on March 03, 2020, 07:16:57 PM
I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.


bob

Because if you're restricted to your home for quarantine, you don't want to run out of *expletive deleted*it paper.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2020, 08:07:46 AM
Interesting quote from the head of WHO:

Quote
"This virus is not SARS, it's not MERS, and it's not influenza; It is a unique virus with unique characteristics," he said. "With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19."

https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-3-4-percent-olympics-delay-possibility

I had thought they said the big problem with COVID-19 was people with no symptoms spreading it? This guy is basically saying the opposite. I'm not trusting of WHO these days, but if verified, that seems to have major implications.


As I continue my academic study of hoarding, finally, the Idaho Home Depots, etc are out of respirators. Online prices are still inflated, and I heard on the news yesterday that Amazon kicked over 1 MILLION third party "coronavirus" sellers off their site for price gouging, selling at regular prices but adding $100 shipping, and for labeling stuff like dust masks as "coronavirus protection".

I'm going to Costco this morning, more out of curiosity than anything else. Though they have a hammock there that I kinda want so I can lay in my backyard with a glass of whiskey and watch the world burn in comfort.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal.  I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it.  It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die.  At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.

The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy. 
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US.  As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:42:32 AM
I had a nyt article pulled up on my phone, but it's behind a paywall now.  *expletive deleted*ers.  Anyways, it had quotes which put this at .94% which is still nasty as *expletive deleted*ck.  A normal flu year is .1% apparently. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 04, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal.  I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it.  It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die.  At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.

The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy. 
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US.  As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.



I'm curious as to what you think could be done better?

Here, we've reached out to some friends in the healthcare industry and they are pretty much parroting the government line.

My friend who is a Doctor locally has shared some concerns that it could go sideways on us so that's concerning.

What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 04, 2020, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die.  At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%.  Why would US go to 30-70%?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 04, 2020, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 04, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?

South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2020, 09:12:05 AM
Well, I guess I can skip going to Costco this morning. Apparently both the Boise and Nampa locations have been selling out of water and TP for the last three days running, even though virus risk is low in this state. Not worth dealing with crowds just for curiosity.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article240818796.html?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 04, 2020, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 04, 2020, 09:03:02 AM
South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

Yeah, but everyone knows that Americans do crappy on standardized tests...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 04, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
I'm curious as to what you think could be done better?

Here, we've reached out to some friends in the healthcare industry and they are pretty much parroting the government line.

My friend who is a Doctor locally has shared some concerns that it could go sideways on us so that's concerning.

What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?

Passenger screening from infected countries.  Wasn't done.  Testing.  Wasn't done at any scale. As soon as china ramped this up, we should have recognized and followed suit. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 04, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 04, 2020, 09:03:02 AM
South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

I'm going to ask my Dr buddy about this.

It does seem like it would be helpful to know who has the flu and who has this infection.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 04, 2020, 08:53:28 AM
China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%.  Why would US go to 30-70%?

China also locked down several major cities and went so far as to weld people's doors shut.  Wuhan got pretty bad and then they got it under control.


30% is the low end I've seen estimated world wide infection without major measures taken to slow the spread, as quoted by several health ministers and virologists.  Swine flu was listed as a pandemic and hit 20% world wide infection.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 04, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:16:26 AM
Passenger screening from infected countries.  Wasn't done.  Testing.  Wasn't done at any scale. As soon as china ramped this up, we should have recognized and followed suit. 
We shut down flights from China.  The way China refused to share information and that this happened at a time Chinese were traveling all over the place made sure that containing this was near impossible. 


Personally, I am not seeing a whole lot yet that has me real worried.  I am concerned more about the media stirring things up and provoking panic. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
I don't consider myself overly worried.  However, this is more serious than just a nasty flu.  Look at how it ravaged that nursing home in WA.  It is going to get much worse in the US. Brushing it off as a non event, or a media hype storm is a mistake.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 04, 2020, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
I don't consider myself overly worried.  However, this is more serious than just a nasty flu.  Look at how it ravaged that nursing home in WA.  It is going to get much worse in the US. Brushing it off as a non event, or a media hype storm is a mistake.


I don't know if it is any nastier than the flu, it just has a different demographic that it sends for a dirt nap, for the most part. People underestimate the flu, it has been killing a bunch of people for a long time.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 04, 2020, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 09:25:26 AM
30% is the low end I've seen estimated world wide infection without major measures taken to slow the spread, as quoted by several health ministers and virologists.  Swine flu was listed as a pandemic and hit 20% world wide infection.
The 20% number is a retrospective total infection estimate.  It is also on the very high end of estimates for the 2009 pandemic.  What you seem to be doing is taking confirmed deaths/confirmed cases to come up with a death rate of 1-3% then multiplying by total infection estimates to come up with a prediction.  Let's see how that plays out with real H1N1 numbers:
Confirmed H1N1 cases in the US in 2009: 115,318
Confirmed H1N1 deaths in the US in 2009: 3,443
Confirmed Death rate in the US: ~3%
Retrospective CDC estimates for total 2009 H1N1 US infections: 57,000,000

So ... using your method, we would expect 57 million infected times 3% death rate, or 1.7 million dead Americans.  Actual retrospective CDC estimates were around 11,690 Americans killed by H1N1 in 2009.  Then if you say that 1.4 billion people caught H1N1, and given that we have that 3% confirmed death rate in the US then we're looking at 42,000,000 worldwide deaths for H1N1 in 2009.  Is that what we saw?

Comparing apples to oranges doesn't give good results.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 10:19:30 AM
First, i'm only looking at how much of the population got swine fiu as a comparison, not the mortality rate.  The mortality rate of that variation was lower than the regular flu, .001%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

20% is the high end estimate of how many people got it during the outbreak.

So no, I was comparing only the numbers based off potential outbreak numbers.  

I, too hope this is a nothing burger.  Hell, I have convention plans for next month and haven't cancelled them. 

However, this bug has a lot of potential to wreak further havoc on our health care system and economy. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 04, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 10:19:30 AM
First, i'm only looking at how much of the population got swine fiu as a comparison, not the mortality rate.  
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 10:19:30 AM
So no, I was comparing only the numbers based off potential outbreak numbers.  
Yes, I know exactly what you're doing, and it is wrong.  You're comparing apples to oranges and I showed with real historical numbers why that results in bad predictions.  I never suggested you were using H1N1 lethality numbers, just showed the error of using ([confirmed deaths] / [confirmed cases] * [estimated total infected population]) to come up with a predicted death toll.  That equation sucks.

One more time - you are multiplying retrospective estimates of total H1N1 infected (a huge number that might well eventually reflect Covid-19 infections) with the confirmed mortality rate of Covid-19 which comes from confirmed cases and confirmed deaths.  Right?  The problem is your death rate is highly inflated because detection and death is more likely in serious cases.  Thus, you are multiplying a huge number by an artificially high death rate.  

As I showed using actual stats and estimates from H1N1 (even with its eventually determined low mortality rate) if you had calculated an estimated eventual death toll by first coming up with a mortality rate by dividing known deaths by known cases (exactly as we are doing with Covid-19 because that is all the info we have) then multiplying by the estimated number of actual infected (which is a big, big number) then the result is scary looking ... but in no way reflective of reality.  The scary part of H1N1 is that it impacted the young at a higher rate than expected.

Edit: I screwed up my percentages in my previous post, but not the calculated numbers.  Honestly it makes an even better comparison than I thought, though, because the H1N1 death rate based on known deaths/known cases is pretty much the same as Covid-19 is currently thought to be, but ended up being 148 times overstated compared to the final estimated mortality rate. 

If this holds true for Covid-19 (and I can't say that it will) then we might be looking at a real mortality rate equivalent to H1N1.  I'm guessing that in the final analysis Covid-19 is going to be found to be a bit more deadly, but not so much so to make this a serious catastrophe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
Well, since the government took forever to spool up testing, and is now hiding the data, it may be awhile before we have a real number. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
Curiosity got the better of me and I went to Costco to watch the zoo animals. Report from the Nampa, ID Costco:

Preface: Last week I mentioned I was at that Costco and other than long lines, I wasn't sure if people were hoarding or not. I can now say they were not, because I would have absolutely noticed. Ten seconds after entering Costco today it was obvious that there were panic buyers.

One third of shoppers were buying nothing but water and TP, with some throwing in a case of paper towels. And I mean LOTS of water and TP. I would WAG an average of three cases of water and three cases of TP per shopper. Some people were only grabbing a couple of cases of water and one of TP, but many were using the pallet carts and buying like half a dozen or more of each. I got there right when they opened. Looking at stock left, I'm going to guess they will run out again (see the link in my previous post) in the next hour or two. And they had LOTS of stock.

Another third of shoppers were grabbing maybe a case of water and TP, then just doing their regular shopping. Another third were just doing regular shopping.

I didn't see anyone grabbing sacks of rice and beans, which Costco has lots of. Or very many people grabbing cases of canned anything. For some weird reason, there was a run on peanut butter. Also people were buying the cases of pre-mixed protein drinks, but not touching the tubs of protein powder.

Batteries were fully stocked. There were two pallets of nitrile gloves, and not a single box was missing from the pallets. I suspect if there were N95 masks next to the gloves, those would have been gone. I didn't see anyone buying any of the various hand soaps Costco sells.

When I hit the checkout, I heard the checker tell the person in front of me (who apparently asked about the panic purchasing) that they were told this is happening in most all the Costcos across the country.

Meanwhile, on my way home, I stopped at my podunk grocery store for milk and did a walk-through. They were fully stocked on everything, including TP and water. They had a couple of pallets of water outside the store, and there was maybe 30% missing, which seems kinda normal to me. I couldn't even see a dent in the TP or paper towels. They were out of hand sanitizer though. Otherwise, business as usual. Have to wonder if it's a rural vs city thing or what.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 02:03:27 PM
So Australia, SK and Japan went batshit over TP in the last few days.  I think people have started glomming onto that and buying more.
Lucky I bought two mega packs last week.  I'm headed out today I might grab one more.  And I asked the wife to buy PT, she bought one sad little 6 pack.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 03:05:55 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA


When I built my bike last year, several items were post ship from China via ali express.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA


Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.

Agreed. China shut down their economy to get this done, and their economy is pretty much sending goods to us...

On the bright side, we don't import a lot of food from them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 04, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
My wife went to Sam's today.  She says there were no sanitizing wipes available at all.  Plenty of toilet paper though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 04, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA


It can't happen soon enough. Maybe Americans can start making things again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on March 04, 2020, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 04, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
It can't happen soon enough. Maybe Americans can start making things again.

That's not going to happen.

Instead stuff will spread out to Vietnam, other SE Asian countries with labor rates that are comparable. India maybe. You'll probably see some higher end things going to E. Europe, and some low end manufacturing even going to Africa.

It was inevitable, China's huge manufacturing surge was going to eventually cause them to have labor price increases, and manufacturing was going to start moving. The trade war with China and now Covid-19 is just upping the timetable earlier than pure economic/market forces would have. China is on the brink of stagflation just like Japan has been for the past 30 odd years.

Large scale manufacturing of anything/everything is not coming back to America, at least not for decades until dozens of countries have gone through their "China phase" and wages worldwide (minus shipping) rise until they've leveled off everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 04, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.

I don't know if they will. Corporations have been extremely focused on short term decisions, and supply chain disruptions only matter if you plan on running your company for 30 years.

Most corporations are run by short-timers. (Illustration: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/02/12/ceo-tenure-rates/)

Maybe we should start looking at the laws for Corporations versus family-owned companies and start providing significant incentive for the latter versus the former. Family-owned companies tend to make decisions differently.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 04, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
This was from a Sam's Club in Cincinnati last night. (https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/E6JQyHQSk-6ODC-PazdzN61bxgeLSCHkkwmp57ZfPMQeJxFPc?viewBox=703%2C937&ownerId=A2XWF6EQ8PDBT8)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 04, 2020, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: adively on March 04, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
This was from a Sam's Club in Cincinnati last night. (https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/YT6mZAOzFyvyTExWpr7q1WvesnBAggUnBHDZw8gQXJ5)

Wow. We might actually need some TP in the next week or two. I suppose we better get some soon.

Thankfully, Kroger was fully stocked this morning when I stopped by.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 03:58:25 PM
Paper products and food are our biggest exports. TP may have short term shortages, but there's not going to be a TP apocalypse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 04, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 04, 2020, 03:58:25 PM
Paper products and food are our biggest exports. TP may have short term shortages, but there's not going to be a TP apocalypse.

The TP/Paper towel hoarding has me scratching my head, as to why?  It is kind of like milk, eggs, and bread in the lead up to a snow storm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 04, 2020, 06:12:29 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal.  I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases.

The death rate numbers now are wrong, and almost certainly understated, for a mathematical reason. The reason is that the virus is still spreading. When spreading, it means each infected person infects more than one other person...by definition, otherwise it would be contained. For a hypothetical Budweiser virus with R=2, that means 10 cases today, 20 tomorrow, 40 the next, etc. Meanwhile it takes a couple weeks to die from it. So by the time the first 10 die, there are 100 people infected, and they say it has a 10% death rate, even if it's actually 100%. Because incubation periods and when the virus was contracted are never well known, there is no practical way to correct the statistics until the virus burns out. Which hasn't happened yet, except probably in some isolated populations in China. So you can regard all death rate estimates as BS, not because they are lying, but because it's impossible to know yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 04, 2020, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 04, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal.  I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it.  It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die.  At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.

The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy. 
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US.  As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.

At least around here that's a fact.  Two years ago I had a burst appendix.  The hospital I normally go to told the ambulance to not take me there - they were swamped with flu patients.  Instead, they drove me to another hospital, only to find the same thing there - they were swamped with flu patients.  The 3rd hospital took me, only because the surgeon saw me in the ER & said "it's happening, now".  That was with the "normal" flu.

Our local grocery store was fully stocked yesterday.  Only thing they were out of was 2% milk.  Other than that the paper & canned goods were fully stocked.  Small rural TX town (pop. < 1,000).  I'll try to remember to check out the local Walmart shelves tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2020, 10:03:05 PM
I had to make another stop at the grocery store. Still well stocked and no indication of panic buying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 04, 2020, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 04, 2020, 07:32:32 AM
"GFS"

What is GFS? Never heard of that store before.

"Koreans... sushi."

Silly man! Koreans don't make sushi, they make bulgogi!

Mike,

Had to look it up.  GFS is Gordon Food Service.  https://www.gfs.com/en-us

On Sushi preparing Koreans,  I give you Mark Pi's China Gate.  The Chinese restaurant,  run by Koreans, that makes excellent Japanese food.  Ironically,  their actual Chinese stuff is pretty average.

https://mark-pis-china-gate.business.site/

And on Bulgogi,  I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 04, 2020, 10:45:20 PM
Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 04, 2020, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 04, 2020, 10:45:20 PM
Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike

 >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 05, 2020, 07:21:31 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 04, 2020, 10:45:20 PM
Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike

Yeah, well, Gordon Food Service to you, too, you jack wagon!  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 05, 2020, 08:05:26 AM
Interesting article about stockpiling in the face of Corona.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-where-shoppers-are-stockpiling-the-most.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2020, 08:50:37 AM
Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: Andiron on March 04, 2020, 10:24:32 PM
Mike,

Had to look it up.  GFS is Gordon Food Service.  https://www.gfs.com/en-us

On Sushi preparing Koreans,  I give you Mark Pi's China Gate.  The Chinese restaurant,  run by Koreans, that makes excellent Japanese food.  Ironically,  their actual Chinese stuff is pretty average.

https://mark-pis-china-gate.business.site/

And on Bulgogi,  I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.

Had my first bulgogi in Tacoma, WA last fall from a tiny mom and pop place downtown.  It was excellent.  Much better than the traditional Chinese food we get in America.  I'm also a big fan of Bahn Mi sandwiches.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: Andiron on March 04, 2020, 10:24:32 PM

And on Bulgogi,  I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.

Trader Joes, if you have one, sells it, and it's actually really good for store bought.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 05, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
Trader Joes, if you have one, sells it, and it's actually really good for store bought.

Frozen section?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 05, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 05, 2020, 08:50:37 AM
Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions

Is this a criminal offense?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 05, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
I've never been one much for Korean food in general, I just don't like the way they use the common Asian spice palette.

Except for bulgogi. I can destroy a plate of bulgogi.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 05, 2020, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 05, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
Is this a criminal offense?

I don't see how it could be. The test results weren't back yet and the "quarantine" was voluntary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 05, 2020, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 05, 2020, 08:50:37 AM
Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions

What a selfish prick.

All because his fun was too important to postpone, he has now infected at least one other person (I'm sure that number will climb) and forced the venue to cancel 3 events, costing them how much $$?

I hope the venue can sue him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 09:40:33 AM
Frozen section?

No, actually where the fresh packaged meat is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2020, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 05, 2020, 09:50:32 AM
I don't see how it could be. The test results weren't back yet and the "quarantine" was voluntary.

Yeah, I think it falls more into Mak's "selfish prick" territory. Seems like the bigger unintended consequences would end up being whether you let people self-isolate in the comfort of their own home or not. It only takes one ahole to screw stuff up.

I could see civil action being appropriate, depending on background circumstances.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
Well, ten year treasury bills are now below 1%.

I guess the good news if you're a home buyer or refinacer, is that you can get conventional loans for under 3%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 10:20:03 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 05, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
Is this a criminal offense?

Article on Fox quoted someone in NH saying it is not a crime to ignore a doctor's recommendation.  It may be a misdemeanor if he ignores the NH health department's orders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 05, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
Well, ten year treasury bills are now below 1%.

I guess the good news if you're a home buyer or refinacer, is that you can get conventional loans for under 3%.

Yep.  My last mortgage broker just contacted me.  He offered 2.875% for a 15yr fixed and no closing costs.  I'm currently at 3.5% with 16 years to go. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 05, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
I think the optics might be a bit different if they guy went to event despite being told not to, infected someone, and that person subsequently died. Could bring charges.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
Kind of an experiment I put some items in my Amazon shopping chart I know come from China (rechargeable batteries, flash drives etc..) and have notice almost every time I check my chart prices are bouncing around like crazy, sometimes doubling and then back again, and availability goes from ships tomorrow to two months to not available back to tomorrow back to not available and so on and so on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 05, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
Kind of an experiment I put some items in my Amazon shopping chart I know come from China (rechargeable batteries, flash drives etc..) and have notice almost every time I check my chart prices are bouncing around like crazy, sometimes doubling and then back again, and availability goes from ships tomorrow to two months to not available back to tomorrow back to not available and so on and so on.

As China gets their *expletive deleted*it together, they should put the full weight of their workforce behind providing the rest of the world with pandemic supplies.  PROFIT!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 11:41:43 AM
I spelled cart chart both times in that. OMG I'm turning into Joe Biden!  :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
Herrrrre's Weird Al
The first reply  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/alyankovic/status/1234923352810119168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 05:20:20 PM
Now a run on vodka

Quote
    Your local store sold out of hand sanitizer? Make some from vodka. (Kudos to the genius at @goodhousemag who came up with this.) #coronavirusnewyork https://t.co/9I1NXmmvtM

    — ALLISON ADATO (@editgirlnyc) March 4, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/03/05/the-coronavirus-hysteria-has-reached-a-new-level-titos-vodka-is-reduced-to-public-service-health-announcements/

https://twitter.com/editgirlnyc/status/1235314582018756611?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 05, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good.  The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work.  Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 05, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 05, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good.  The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work.  Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.

Two thumbs up.  I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel.  Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good.  Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 05, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good.  The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work.  Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.

People were pointing that out in many comments I saw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2020, 05:41:06 PM
I prefer rum anyway   :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 05, 2020, 07:42:34 PM
I mix bourbon with sweet vermouth and a few drops of bitters.  It makes a nuclear sanitizer.  I call it the Manhattan Project.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 08:47:11 AM
SK seems to be on the ball with their testing.  Considering the number of tests they've done, and the number of cases they have, I think they've slowed the spread there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 06, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
I saw Trump is signing an $8.something billion dollar response bill. Couldn't tell if that's basically the Dem plan or if his admin threw more money into their original $2 billion plan.

Also, the ten year treasury is now at ~0.7%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 06, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 08:47:11 AM
SK seems to be on the ball with their testing.  Considering the number of tests they've done, and the number of cases they have, I think they've slowed the spread there.
Slowed, but it is still going up significantly.  They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.

Their death rate is interesting as well.  Italy hit 1k detected infections on 2/29 while South Korea hit 1k detected infections on 2/26 so roughly comparable but if anything I'd expect South Korea's progression to be further along.  Yet South Korea's death rate is only 0.6% as opposed to Italy's 3.8%.  Last numbers I could find, South Korea has done about three times that Italy has done.  I wonder if their increased testing is picking up a greater percentage of the actual cases and showing a more realistic death rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 06, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
"Couldn't tell if that's basically the Dem plan or if his admin threw more money into their original $2 billion plan."

I think it was a bipartisan response in Congress after the uproar over $2 billion not being enough of a response.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 06, 2020, 09:24:06 AM
https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-employee-at-seattle-headquarters-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
Amazon employee at Seattle headquarters tests positive for coronavirus

I got a new book in the mail Wed and thought about that just after opening the box (including cutting the air pocket stuffing).  Of course, this guy wasn't in one of their warehouses.


This headline was right below that one.  Do you think it will cause a panic?  I have been staying off Facebook anyway.   =)
Quote
Facebook contractor in Seattle tests positive for the coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/3/20200304_221914.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 06, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
2 billion wasn’t enough graft for them, of course.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 06, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
Slowed, but it is still going up significantly.  They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.

Their death rate is interesting as well.  Italy hit 1k detected infections on 2/29 while South Korea hit 1k detected infections on 2/26 so roughly comparable but if anything I'd expect South Korea's progression to be further along.  Yet South Korea's death rate is only 0.6% as opposed to Italy's 3.8%.  Last numbers I could find, South Korea has done about three times that Italy has done.  I wonder if their increased testing is picking up a greater percentage of the actual cases and showing a more realistic death rate.

Both should be concerning, as the seasonal flu is .1% tops.  
SK has also had a much lower hospitalization rate than Italy.  Italy is in double digit territory for ICU treatment.  SK is not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 06, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf
As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus. I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive. I’m awaiting “permission” from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.
...
When employee health told me that my fever and other symptoms fit the criteria for potential coronavirus, I was put on a 14-day self-quarantine. Since the criteria was met, the testing would be done. My doctor ordered the test through the county. The public county officer called me and verified my symptoms and agreed with testing. But the National CDC would not initiate testing. They said they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus.

This testing situation is pathetic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 06, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 06, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
This testing situation is pathetic.

^this. It's also worse than I expected from our bureaucracy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 06, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 06, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
This testing situation is pathetic.
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places.  Just sounds odd.  I would be curious to see more info on that case.


On the news about the case near Houston, they said they did the test locally and were waiting to verify it with a follow up test at the CDC.  I don't know what is going on in California though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 06, 2020, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 09:39:24 AM
Both should be concerning, as the seasonal flu is .1% tops.  
Of course, but even with increased testing I wouldn't expect South Korea to catch them all.  If it ends up being 0.6% overall it will be very high, but increased testing or the final retrospective estimate are likely to keep pushing that number down.

Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 09:39:24 AM
SK has also had a much lower hospitalization rate than Italy.  Italy is in double digit territory for ICU treatment.  SK is not.
That plays nicely with the idea that Italy a has much higher infected population than they know about but is only detecting the serious or obvious cases and South Korea's increased testing is picking up more of the mild and marginal cases that would otherwise have gone ignored.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 06, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 06, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places.  Just sounds odd.  I would be curious to see more info on that case.
As of Wednesday some of the testing restrictions in place by the CDC were removed and most places are getting test kits just this week.

Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-06/chaos-at-hospitals-due-to-shortage-of-coronavirus-tests
Federal officials said nearly 1 million tests were expected to be available by the end of this week. But in California, one of the country’s hardest-hit regions with 60 cases, the total testing capacity is limited to only 7,400 through the weekend, according to the California Department of Public Health.

Though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday lifted some guidelines so anyone with symptoms can be tested by their physician, local officials can’t take advantage of the looser restrictions because of the lack of test kits. In an advisory to physicians later that day, L.A. public health officials said that they would only be testing people with severe symptoms or with milder illness and a travel history to impacted areas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
Indiana is reporting a case now

Quote
Holcomb said at a news conference Friday that a man from Marion County had been diagnosed after a recent trip to Boston.

That man is in isolation, Holcomb said, adding that a total of 12 Indiana residents have been tested for the virus, and 35 others are being monitored. They are currently under quarantine. but none of them is sick.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-first-case-reported-indiana-gov-holcomb-declares-public-health-emergency/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 06, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places.  Just sounds odd.  I would be curious to see more info on that case.


On the news about the case near Houston, they said they did the test locally and were waiting to verify it with a follow up test at the CDC.  I don't know what is going on in California though.

The propaganda was that testing was available if a Dr ordered it.   Not enough kits and not enough testing capacity, they are way far behind.  Another misstep with the response. At least the President is spreading false information about it.  I wish he'd shut his trap and let Pence do all the talking.
Anyways...
Look at the deaths in WA.  We know that the nursing home was at the receiving end of community spread.  2 residents of the nursing home died from it BEFORE community spread was even confirmed.  Estimates are on the low side of 600 infections in Washington state alone at this point. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 06, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 05, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Two thumbs up.  I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel.  Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good.  Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.

Question on the composition of sanitizer:

I've carried a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for a couple of years or more. After a few months, the stuff loses its viscosity -- no longer dispenses like a gel, it comes out as a runny liquid. A lot like alcohol, in fact, and it smells like alcohol. Is it still viable hand sanitizer after it has lost it's gel-ness, or do I need to replace it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2020, 12:52:31 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/3/20200305_223610.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 06, 2020, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 06, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Question on the composition of sanitizer:

I've carried a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for a couple of years or more. After a few months, the stuff loses its viscosity -- no longer dispenses like a gel, it comes out as a runny liquid. A lot like alcohol, in fact, and it smells like alcohol. Is it still viable hand sanitizer after it has lost it's gel-ness, or do I need to replace it?

The active ingredient, the ethyl or isopropyl alcohol is still good even after the changes in viscosity.  So you can continue to use it for the sanitizing effect.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
I locked the other two corona threads, as this one seems to be pretty much parallel to those.  Putting this one on sticky for now, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 06, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
I locked the other two corona threads, as this one seems to be pretty much parallel to those.  Putting this one on sticky for now, too.

Just a note that people were probably posting in the other threads because most people don't even check out the stickies and go straight to the non-stickied threads.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 06, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Just a note that people were probably posting in the other threads because most people don't even check out the stickies and go straight to the non-stickied threads.

Actually might explain why the one stopped getting comments...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 06, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Well, crap.

https://www.newson6.com/story/41864514/gov-stitt-announces-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-oklahoma (https://www.newson6.com/story/41864514/gov-stitt-announces-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-oklahoma)

 ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 06, 2020, 06:59:13 PM
Priorities:

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Will-the-Porn-Industry-Be-Disrupted-by-15111112.php

(I'd expect coronavirus to be the least of their worries, but what do I know?)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 06, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
The local Walmart, (in a town < 4k pop.), still has at least 80% toilet paper & paper towels stocked & the canned food aisles are full.  On the other hand, the hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes, bleach, & most cleansers are wiped out.  Also no masks, and a few customers have been asking for Tyvek coveralls.

Folks around here, for the most part, don't have to stock up now, they already have/do.  Seems like they're taking the cleanliness part seriously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2020, 08:41:39 PM
Trumpvirus in Ky
No not the gel, the state

Kentucky governor confirms first case of coronavirus
https://www.wdrb.com/news/kentucky-governor-confirms-first-case-of-coronavirus/article_22d27024-5ff3-11ea-8635-cff06a843010.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
So is this seriously a "thing?"

I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.

But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.

Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 06, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2020, 08:50:03 PM

But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.

I reckon the empty shelves in the larger cities means somebody else is pre-occupied (or at least being scared by the MSM). :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 06, 2020, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
So is this seriously a "thing?"

I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.

But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.

Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.



I think the virus itself is less of a thing than what it's likely to do to the economy, at least in the near term.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 06, 2020, 11:16:53 PM
Larry Kudlow says to avoid Seattle:  https://www.kuow.org/stories/avoid-seattle-trump-s-top-economic-advisor-says

Well that's just good advice generally.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 07, 2020, 02:19:46 AM
Quote from: Andiron on March 06, 2020, 09:27:06 PM
I think the virus itself is less of a thing than what it's likely to do to the economy, at least in the near term.
Lots of trade shows, festivals and sports events are being cancelled. Japan is even considering cancelling the Olympic Games. Travelling is going down, prices are being dumped. Spoke to a guy over here who said his brother had bought a ticket to Vietnam for less than $100 equivalent.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
So is this seriously a "thing?"

I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.

But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.

Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.



It is a thing.  It has a mortality rate 10x higher than the flu, and a much higher rate of acute sickness caused by it. 
Beyond the real dangers of the kung-flu itself, it's probably pushing the world into global recession.  Just enough spread of it could cause major economic damage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 08:51:43 AM
Sam's Club in Louisville cleaned out of paper towels and TP, very low on water. Didn't check anything else, grabbed the furnace filters I went in for and left.

Hmmm, furnace filters......
Coming soon to e-bay, anti coronavirus house filters, $500 each  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:01:15 AM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
So is this seriously a "thing?"

Getting sick doesn't concern me that much.  My family and I are healthy enough to handle it.  I'm more concerned about the effect wide spread sickness will have on goods, services, and the economy.  Covid-19 will do much more damage that way than through actual death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
I'm definitely seeing an urban/rural divide in panic buying. While out and about yesterday, I stopped in the little grocery store the next town over on my way home for the couple of items I needed just for curiosity. Like my little store, they were pretty much fully stocked. I couldn't find where the hand sanitizer was, so don't know if that was sold out, but everything else looked to be stocked in normal quantities. Meanwhile the Costcos here continue to get sold out of TP and water every day.

So it's seeming more and more like people in rural areas are just going about their daily business because they already have emergency supplies, and people in the cities are making runs on stuff that they otherwise would just conveniently grab on their way home from work. Though certainly some rural residents may be driving to the Costcos and Walmarts for cheap bulk purchasing. Certainly those are the places I go when I need to restock. While the panic buying is a bit annoying, at least a lot of these people might actually be getting into the mindset to keep at least a few days of supplies around all the time, which would be a good thing.

I checked into my old local rag in Santa Barbara this morning, and saw an article on how Trader Joe's was sold out of TP. Because when pseudo-intellectual commie pinko hippies need to make a panic run for emergency supplies, Trader Joe's is their first stop.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
Because only Trader Joe's and Whole Foods have the proper toilet paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
Because on Trader Joe's and Whole Foods have the proper toilet paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2020, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:01:15 AM
Getting sick doesn't concern me that much.  My family and I are healthy enough to handle it.  I'm more concerned about the effect wide spread sickness will have on goods, services, and the economy.  Covid-19 will do much more damage that way than through actual death.

Almost certainly these "unintended consequences" will be hitting us for some time to come. I don't expect some of the more serious economic hits to take place until 2nd quarter results from multi-nationals are released.

Also just overblown government reaction and spending. I haven't seen it yet, but apparently this $8 billion response plan Trump just signed is full of "Christmas presents" via Nancy Pelosi, so I assume a good portion of the dough has nothing to do with response.

I also saw that Governor Newsom in CA is requiring all private insurers in the state to provide "free" coronavirus services; employers to provide workers comp, disability, and a host of other services for anyone infected (apparently young and healthy people as well). Meanwhile many ports in CA (including Santa Barbara - another local story I read from there) continue to allow cruise ships to dock and disembark tourists because they don't want local businesses to take an economic hit. Seem to be diametrically opposed responses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:27:33 AM
Does the Governor have the authority to force private companies to do all of that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
Beyond the real dangers of the kung-flu itself, it's probably pushing the world into global recession.  Just enough spread of it could cause major economic damage.

And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 09:27:33 AM
Does the Governor have the authority to force private companies to do all of that?

Don't know, but here's the story:

https://www.independent.com/2020/03/05/california-requires-free-covid-19-testing/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
The Pope is changing things up a bit

Pope to give next 2 public blessings via video to prevent spread of coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/07/pope-give-next-public-blessings-via-video-prevent-spread-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.

And right after I type that

‘She’s actually smiling’: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace and guest discuss coronavirus that could become ‘Trump’s Katrina’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/07/shes-actually-smiling-msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-and-guest-discuss-coronavirus-that-could-become-trumps-katrina/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 07, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.

This is exactly the reason the MSM is pushing the "We're all gonna die!" hysteria.  It's to bring down Trump, and they might just succeed given how a majority of voters vote their pocketbooks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 07, 2020, 11:21:15 AM
Vote with pocketbooks?  I anticipate making money on the Corona Virus  I bought some more volatile mutual funds with cash I had available after the first big drop.  I might do some more if it has another several thousand point drop.  All I have to do is sit on those for the 8-12 months it takes economies to start moving again.

I'm also considering refinancing the house.  It looks like I could knock 7-8 years off the payoff date and keep the same monthly payment I make now.  That alone will save me $40k-ish.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 05, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Two thumbs up.  I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel.  Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good.  Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.

Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.

Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 07, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.

Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)

https://www.amazon.com/Isopropyl-Alcohol-Grade-Anhydrous-gallon/dp/B01MEGQ9Q0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=99+percent+isopropyl+alcohol+5+gallon&qid=1583601158&sr=8-2
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 07, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
 :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiz7sQvzWI
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 07, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
:facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiz7sQvzWI

Londo Mollari (Babylon 5): You have that vacant look in your eyes that says, "Hold my head to your ear; you will hear the sea."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 07, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.

Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)

70% is superior for medical purposes to 90%. It disinfects better. There's no reason to prefer higher concentrations unless you have an industrial use that requires it. Of course you can water down pure IPA as well but on a cost basis you can probably buy more 70% per dollar anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 07, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
They are probably gone by now, but Mal-Wart usually has 91% IPA for $2.50 a pint. It works great for backpacking stoves, should work fine for making hand sanitizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 07, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html

Quote
Around 70 people were trapped after the collapse of a hotel used as a coronavirus quarantine facility in eastern China on Saturday evening, officials said.

At least 38 people have so far been rescued from the rubble of the 80-room Xinjia hotel in coastal Quanzhou city, said the local government.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 07, 2020, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 07, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
They are probably gone by now, but Mal-Wart usually has 91% IPA for $2.50 a pint. It works great for backpacking stoves, should work fine for making hand sanitizer.

You'd need to cut the aloe gel back a little (like from 33% to 30%) to make sure you're above 60% alcohol.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 07, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html


Out of the frying pan into the fire. Hope everyone is okay.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 07, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.

Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)

I find it now and again at the drug store, Target, etc.  It costs a bit more than the lower concentrations, but not a lot more IIRC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
A little something from FB World

Facebook says it will ban ads for medical face masks
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/07/facebook-says-it-will-ban-ads-medical-face-masks/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 07, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to blame corona virus on global warming climate change.  Has it happened already and I just missed it, or have the climate alarmists dropped the ball on this one?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2020, 04:56:33 PM
According to the map on NBC News' web site (updated to 10:xx today) my state still has no confirmed cases. Nonetheless, I was at Walmart today. I'm pretty well set in the sanitizer department but I looked out of curiosity. (And, yes, if they had had any I would have bought one.) I didn't see any, so I asked a young lady who was stocking shelves. She didn't speak English, so I asked in Spanish. The answer: "No hay." (pronounced "no aye.")

For those who don't speak Spanish, "No hay" means "fuggetabowdit! Not today, not tomorrow, and probably not next week."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 07, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
My wife was at the Walmart in the tiny town she works in and it was out of hand sanitizer also. She is going to a different Walmart when she gets done with the girls game tonight so I asked her to check the tp for my bungholio. Will report later.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 07, 2020, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 07, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
My wife was at the Walmart in the tiny town she works in and it was out of hand sanitizer also. She is going to a different Walmart when she gets done with the girls game tonight so I asked her to check the tp for my bungholio. Will report later.

My wife reports that Job Lots, a local discount store, was fully stocked on sanitizer and wipes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 07, 2020, 07:57:56 PM
My dad hit our Sam's today.

TP, Paper towels and such are restocked,  still no big bags of jasmine rice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2020, 09:48:32 PM
Not sure if this should go here or in the .40 caliber thread veer in the "harbinger" topic.  :laugh:

Ammo.com reports a big sales increase that they are attributing to beer virus panic. What I found interesting, given that .40 is out of favor now, is that their .40 sales are up over 400% - just over twice as much as the next most popular caliber, .223.  I was quite surprised that 9mm wasn't at the top.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ammunition-sales-soar-response-coronavirus-133400231.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 07, 2020, 09:58:46 PM
Report from the wife was tp and paper towels ok but wipes and ha d sanitizer was low or gone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 08, 2020, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 07, 2020, 09:48:32 PM
Ammo.com reports a big sales increase that they are attributing to beer virus panic. What I found interesting, given that .40 is out of favor now, is that their .40 sales are up over 400% - just over twice as much as the next most popular caliber, .223.  I was quite surprised that 9mm wasn't at the top.

... because COVID-19 is too tough to be stopped by 9mm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2020, 02:30:14 PM
Costco was full up with paper towels and TP, limit 2
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Asked the clerk in the liquor section if they were selling more vodka than normal.
She said way more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2020, 08:44:20 PM
Quote
    Sen. Ted Cruz will self-quarantine in Texas after interacting with an individual at CPAC who tested positive for coronavirus

    Cruz said in a statement he is “not experiencing any symptoms” but “out of an abundance of caution” he stay in Texas for 14 days after the interaction

    — Dianne Gallagher (@DianneG) March 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 08, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 08, 2020, 08:44:20 PM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/

... and the usual suspects hope that he dies from it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 09:07:17 AM
THE VIRUS IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/09/wuhan-isnt-a-race-you-tool-msnbcs-david-gura-claims-anyone-using-wuhan-virus-is-racist-and-guess-how-that-goes-over/

Best comment from the link:

Quote
"Yes, I'll have the Cuban sandwich with a side of Spanish rice, please."

"Out of my restaurant, racist!"

"What? All I was doing was—"

"You don't have to justify your racism with me, bigot! Out!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 09:10:06 AM
In the meantime, another big drop in the market, and the 10 year Treasury is now ~0.4%, and the 30 year has dropped below 1%. Gold is approaching $2000/oz. Holy cow!

Of course this is partially due to oil, so what's happening with the market, etc. might need to be a separate thread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 09, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 09, 2020, 09:10:06 AM


Of course this is partially due to oil, so what's happening with the market, etc. might need to be a separate thread.

There is a whole lot to unwrap. Covid-19 isn't the cause of the coming crash, its just the catalyst that got it started.

Expect trading to halt today, probably shortly after opening. I have no idea where the bottom is going to be, but we are far from it. The fed is out of ammo- they can only cut 50 more basis points before money is virtually free.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 09, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
This is going to be painful, but it's not going to last for several years like it did during the 2008-2010 crisis.

The reason oil prices are bottoming right now is that Saudia Arabia has essentially declared war on Russia, and Russia has reciprocated, over market share. Unfortunately that puts the American shale oil industry right in the firing line.

The Saudis have tried to do this before, with varying degrees of success -- in the early 1990s with Venezuela, in the 2000s with Nigeria, Libya, and the US, and now Russia.

It's going to take about 6 months to shake out, is my guess.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 09, 2020, 09:26:49 AM

It's going to take about 6 months to shake out, is my guess.

This is my thinking as well. Instead of throwing big money into the drop, I've been buying smaller chunks of my Vanguard funds each week. Though today's drop has me wanting to increase that a bit.

I will probably buy some more BP with this latest oil kerfuffle. Even if it stays down a long while, they have a great dividend that's certainly much higher than current T-bills.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2020, 10:38:00 AM
Coronavirus: The Democrat Great Election Hope

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 09, 2020, 10:40:48 AM
Meanwhile, my state registered its first confirmed case on Sunday. On Sunday I went to the supermarket. Plenty of paper towels and toilet paper, but there is no hand sanitizer to be found, apparently nowhere in the county and probably nowhere in the state.

But -- I have some 70% alcohol and some 91% alcohol in the medicine cabinet. In a worst case scenario, I can use that. And I can cut the 91% back to 75% or so with distilled water.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2020, 10:44:01 AM
It's at Walmart
Cue the panic

Walmart employee among 4 COVID-19 cases in Kentucky
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/walmart-employee-among-covid-cases-kentucky/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
I still don't get the big run on hand sanitizer, while stuff like nitrile gloves are available in abundance. If I'm greatly concerned about handling stuff, the gloves are a much better barrier, then I can go home and wash with soap and water, which is 10X better than hand sanitizer.

Full disclosure, I am using the antiseptic wipes I keep in the center console depending on where I've been, while more importantly, just consciously keeping my hands away from my face until I get to a sink.

I was also just thinking about face masks. While they aren't virus protection for most people, a surgical mask or even dust mask is certainly a good way to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 09, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 09, 2020, 10:59:29 AM

I was also just thinking about face masks. While they aren't virus protection for most people, a surgical mask or even dust mask is certainly a good way to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose.

Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: BobR on March 09, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.

bob

Good point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 09, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: BobR on March 09, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.

bob
Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face.  In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 12:19:44 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 09, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face.  In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.

In fairness, even to that ditz, it IS kinda difficult not to subconsciously touch your face. Getting hair out of your eyes (for those of you that have hair  :laugh: ), scratching an itchy nose, rubbing an eye, etc. I've always been bad about that and have had to make a very conscious effort  to keep from doing it since the beer virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 09, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 09, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face.  In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.

https://youtu.be/aBiz7sQvzWI?t=55
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 09, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
"In fairness, even to that ditz, it IS kinda difficult not to subconsciously touch your face."

Exactly. And, if someone puts the thought in your head that you're NOT supposed to do it, it's very likely that you're going to do it a LOT more.

Like telling someone not to say UHM in the middle of a sentence when speaking...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2020, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 09, 2020, 09:31:53 AM
This is my thinking as well. Instead of throwing big money into the drop, I've been buying smaller chunks of my Vanguard funds each week. Though today's drop has me wanting to increase that a bit.
 

That's what I'm doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 09, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
A coworker just came back from Seattle last Thursday. Family funeral, she was there for 5 days.

I've decided only phone calls to mom and dad for the time being. They're in their 80's.

No harm in being careful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 09, 2020, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 09, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
A coworker just came back from Seattle last Thursday. Family funeral, she was there for 5 days.

I've decided only phone calls to mom and dad for the time being. They're in their 80's.

No harm in being careful.

My folks are in their late 70's and I am concerned for them especially since spawn #2's birthday is coming up and the party is later and they will want to come to the party.  I guess we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 01:16:20 PM
My dad will be 93 in a couple of months, and he's being a total pain with the, "It's just a bunch of hype!" stuff. While it IS being hyped, he's still in the, "If you get it you're basically dead" category and he refuses to listen to me about staying away from public places and letting my sister go to the store for him. Of course she's worthless and would probably blow that off anyway. Sure wish  I could get him to move here. It would make this kind of thing much easier to handle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Want to make bets on what percentage comply with this? I say less than 50%.

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WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 09, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Want to make bets on what percentage comply with this? I say less than 50%.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/

Yeah, self-isolating and "punishment" for not doing so is going to start to get interesting. I just read that some Missouri (I think?) father had one daughter with the virus, was told to self-quarantine his family, and ended up taking the other daughter to a school dance. Apparently that whole school is shut down now.

Whether shutting whole institutions down is the scientifically correct response or not, it's the response that's going to occur. If there is any significant percentage of people like that guy, they are going to cause large problems, and I wouldn't be surprised if municipalities start posting cops in front of people's homes, or just moving them to a centralized quarantine location, if "breaking isolation" starts to get out of hand.

Self-isolation is a reasonable solution between the public and the government, but it only takes a few self-absorbed dumbasses to throw that contract out the window.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
He hates double dippers! Impeach him!

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    As Trump pushes a nothing-to-see-here message in public, sources said he’s privately terrified about getting the virus. “Donald is a famous germaphobe. He hates it if someone is eating nachos and dips a chip back in after taking a bite. He calls them ‘double dippers,’” a prominent Republican said. Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg recalled Trump’s response to the last major outbreak in 2014. “When I worked for Trump, he was obsessed with Ebola,” Nunberg told me. (One Mar-a-Lago guest disputed this and said Trump was handshaking with gusto this past weekend. “He was acting like the opposite of a germaphobe,” the source said.)

    People don’t know this term? https://t.co/yPm6emP3MM

    — RBe (@RBPundit) March 9, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/09/vanity-fair-special-correspondents-evidence-that-donald-trump-is-melting-down-over-covid19-includes-trump-behaving-like-a-civilized-person/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 09, 2020, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 09, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Yeah, self-isolating and "punishment" for not doing so is going to start to get interesting. I just read that some Missouri (I think?) father had one daughter with the virus, was told to self-quarantine his family, and ended up taking the other daughter to a school dance. Apparently that whole school is shut down now.
A number of schools are closing or will be closing soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 09, 2020, 11:33:48 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.

Great. Episcopalians (AFAIK) still do the full communion every week, complete with wine and wafers. I wonder how many infected wafers the good reverend has given out in the past two or three weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2020, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 09, 2020, 11:33:48 PM
Great. Episcopalians (AFAIK) still do the full communion every week, complete with wine and wafers. I wonder how many infected wafers the good reverend has given out in the past two or three weeks.

You win this round, tiny plastic cups.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 07:25:15 AM
Sounds like the perfect job for Solo...

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71hH1dbsz4L._AC_SL1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 10, 2020, 07:38:55 AM
After a couple of very local cases hit the news I hit the grocery store last night, mostly so my wife wouldn't have to go out with the kids as much.  I intentionally went to the next town over in hope of additional selection and spent more than I should have.

Stock report:
Plenty of food and paper goods.  
Cleaning supplies - especially disinfecting wipes and sprays - were absolutely gone.  As in a giant, empty space where they used to be, void of anything except shelf labels and a sign saying that purchases were limited to 5 per person.
Bleach was available in large quantities.
Rubbing alcohol was gone.  We've got drums of isopropyl at work, and if it ever comes to it I'll ask the boss if I can buy a few quarts.
Hand sanitizer was gone.
Hand soap was available.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 10, 2020, 07:38:55 AM

Hand sanitizer was gone.
Hand soap was available.

At this point, this has to be some people's mistaken belief that "sanitizer" is better than soap, and not just all purchases of sanitizer to use while away from soap and water. People are stocking up on ten years worth of TP, but leaving hand soap sitting on the shelves.

I have to hit my little grocery store today. I'll check stock and see if panic mode has made it out here yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 08:25:00 AM
Sanitizer is easier to use incidentally than soap and water is my guess.

You can gop on sanitizer without having to lather, rinse, repeat, dry...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 10, 2020, 08:25:00 AM
Sanitizer is easier to use incidentally than soap and water is my guess.

You can gop on sanitizer without having to lather, rinse, repeat, dry...

I agree, and am sure people are buying it to keep at their desks at work, etc. I just think if people are really concerned, they would use soap and water where available. I have a suspicion some people are buying it to keep in their homes as well, and when they get back from the Walmart, using the sanitizer, which they keep right next to the hand soap in the bathroom.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:51:02 AM
Now we're diverting planes if someone sneezes.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/10/people-are-losing-their-damn-minds-united-flight-diverted-after-passengers-complain-of-coughing-passenger/

I feel sorry for the airlines. How do you handles something like that? First thought might be to give the sneezer a respirator to wear, but it would likely cause some other nitwits to complain about that.

I don't think I've ever flown commercial without sneezing, just because of the dry, recirculated air in the plane, or somebody's perfume.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:52:43 AM
Also, regarding the "racist virus":

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/10/so-hes-ignorant-and-racist-ha-woke-dr-eugene-gu-reaps-ratio-whirlwind-for-his-wuhan-virus-is-racist-self-own/

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 10, 2020, 08:56:13 AM
Italy has implemented limited movement in the whole country.  Not that it would happen here, but we are about 10 days behind Italy in detected cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 09:26:35 AM
"I agree, and am sure people are buying it to keep at their desks at work, etc."

When I started in my current job I noticed a LOT of people have hand sanitizer on their desks (this was August last year).

I opened the overhead storage bin in my cube and found... a half-full 12-ounce bottle of Purell.

A few weeks ago I went to the main supply room to pick some stuff up and there was a shelf with about 40 12-ounce bottles of Purell.

I should swing by to see how many are left, or if people have cleaned them out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
So I got this in a text.  Any thoughts? 
(https://i.maga.host/9flycdo.png)


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0
Reuters had this article listing the date information for each disease.  Sounds like it doesn't all match up.  However, we do seem to have a new one pop up every few years. 

Also, ebola has been around a while and I thought most of the hysteria in that year was because the Obama Admin brought disease carrying people back to the US to a hospital in the middle of a major city.  Not sure what they were trying to do with that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 10:45:58 AM
Wot?

That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 10, 2020, 10:45:58 AM
Wot?

That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!

 I can't recall whether there was or wasn't political baggage with the previous outbreaks, but there is no doubt we have it here, and from what I can see, most is coming from the "party of science" left, with the apocalypse stuff. Plus of course, the relatively new "virus related" diversity and racism symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 10:56:36 AM
"Plus of course, the relatively new "virus related" diversity and racism symptoms."

I'm fully expecting someone to claim that anyone who is not Chinese and who develops the virus to be practicing aggressive acts of cultural appropriation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 10, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
I don't think China is welding doors shut* to keep people in their apartment buildings or Japan closed all their schools or South Korea is logging everyone's temperature if they leave the house or Italy is locking down the whole country because it's an election year in the US.

Things aren't bad here (yet) and the media is making a lot of useless noise, but there is genuinely significant & important news behind it.
The restrictions other counties have needed to slow the spread have been pretty extreme, if anything close to those are needed here it will be something we have not experienced in decades and something most people are probably unprepared for.

*These reports are unverified
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 12:21:48 PM
Be interesting to see if this effects NCAA tournament attendance or if they, do I dare say, cancel especially if some team members come down with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
Things are getting sporty in some places...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/new-york-gov-cuomo-to-deploy-national-guard-to-new-rochelle-establishes-containment-center-to-stem-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
Prisons and jails could be rather telling examples of just how bad this virus really is.

Bullitt County jail placed on lockdown after several inmates become ill
https://www.wdrb.com/news/bullitt-county-jail-placed-on-lockdown-after-several-inmates-become/article_9460c11e-62dc-11ea-a9ab-df07ebb41297.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 01:11:16 PM
And some more "local" news

Berea College cancels semester and asks all students to move out in response to COVID-19 outbreak
https://www.wdrb.com/news/berea-college-cancels-semester-and-asks-all-students-to-move/article_18ca2ae8-62ed-11ea-ba3e-632524706207.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 01:20:51 PM
AOC will answer all your C19 question

Warning: I had several brain cells die reading what comments there are so far.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1237417443699589128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
Harvard has told its students to vacate the premises (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-harvard-classes-online-spring-break/).

Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...

And, Walmart is instituting a new emergency leave policy after Kentucky employee's positive test. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/walmart-deploys-new-emergency-leave-policy-kentucky-associate-has-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 10, 2020, 01:43:20 PM

 [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Quote
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...
[tinfoil] [tinfoil]

This is a feature, not a bug.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2020, 05:42:15 PM
New York just locked down New Rochelle and is sending the Nat'l Guard in.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2020, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 10, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
So I got this in a text.  Any thoughts? 


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0
Reuters had this article listing the date information for each disease.  Sounds like it doesn't all match up.  However, we do seem to have a new one pop up every few years. 

Also, ebola has been around a while and I thought most of the hysteria in that year was because the Obama Admin brought disease carrying people back to the US to a hospital in the middle of a major city.  Not sure what they were trying to do with that. 

Facebook bullshit. 
99.7% under 50?  Okay, fine.  That's a .3% mortality rate under fifty.  The flu has an overall mortality rate of only .1%.
COVID-19, and you're over 50?  Those numbers go up fast.

China didn't shut down their economy over SARS, which originated there.  Why this one? 
Because it's *expletive deleted*ing nasty.

Quote
Posted by: Nick1911
Insert Quote
Italy has implemented limited movement in the whole country.  Not that it would happen here, but we are about 10 days behind Italy in detected cases.

Yup.  And look at the exponential growth of cases there.  I bet we're 5x their case load come 2 weeks.  40-50k in two weeks, and 70k+ by the end of March.  I bet our total cases exceeds china by 1.5-2x when this is done. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 10, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 10, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
Harvard has told its students to vacate the premises (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-harvard-classes-online-spring-break/).

Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...


It's coming up on Spring break -- the students were going to disperse anyway. Harvard is just telling them not to come back after break. The rest of the semester will be conducted on-line.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2020, 06:27:50 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 10, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
It's coming up on Spring break -- the students were going to disperse anyway. Harvard is just telling them not to come back after break. The rest of the semester will be conducted on-line.

Especially because a lot of the *expletive deleted*wits are headed places like Daytona. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 10, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 10, 2020, 10:45:58 AM
Wot?

That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!

Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too.  Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion.  And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives.  Or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 10, 2020, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 10, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too.  Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion.  And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives.  Or something.

Cernovich has been over the top also.

For those whove lost confidence in the government there really isn't a lot of good, alternative sources of info.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 10, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too.  Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion.  And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives.  Or something.

While the preppers get giddy anytime something like this happens, this is, I think, the first time that I've seen the NYC Starbucks drinking, tofu eating, Netflix watching, condition white 24/7 left go all Armageddon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 10, 2020, 07:28:54 PM
The moron factor (like the father in MO that sent his kid to the school dance after his other kid came down with it) isn’t going to help either
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 10, 2020, 07:41:48 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49646163522_3d3835d2f5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iD4yLA)

 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Was in Sam's Club today
No TP
No paper towels
No water
Most canned meats 90% gone, zero spam (they usually have stacks)
No rice
No hand sanitizer
No alcohol (unless you count the drinking kind)
Many cleaning supplies cleaned out. Very low on what was left.
Ditto for detergent and soaps.

*expletive deleted*ing people are *expletive deleted*ing stupid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: T.O.M. on March 10, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Well, it's getting interesting.   Kid at college in Ohio has had in-person classes all changed to online classes.  Kids have option of staying or going home (he's NROTC, and has to stay).  Meetung at work tomorrow for emergency planning.  Just starting to see beginning of run on stuff at the grocery.  Lots of conferences our staff was going to be attending are being cancelled.  Might just be time to pull the long guns out of the safe for cleaning and oiling, and time to load up mags for everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:23:27 PM
Oh, I forgot to report from my rural grocery store.

Everything was in stock except hand sanitizer. Plenty of antibacterial hand soap. The only thing I saw they weren't fully stocked on besides the hand sanitizer was disinfectant wipes and bleach and such. Looked like those shelves were missing 30%-50% of product, but still plenty to be had.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 10, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 10, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 10, 2020, 07:17:53 PM
Cernovich has been over the top also.

For those whove lost confidence in the government there really isn't a lot of good, alternative sources of info.

YouTube, Dr John Campbell, and Peak Prosperity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Aaaand...this is congress' priority regarding covid-19 response:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-rep-kevin-mccarthy-must-take-down-his-racist-chinese-coronavirus-tweet-and-apologize/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 12:08:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BDVo7wz.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 12:19:06 AM
Well put together mathematical video specifically talking about COVID-19.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg)

3blue1brown does some really nice videos on math topics.  The visuals are excellent.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 11, 2020, 09:06:49 AM
I guess Public Storage figured I need a new source of WuFlu panic. They sent me an email telling me what they're doing about it. Like I need to know.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
Quote from: fistful on March 11, 2020, 09:06:49 AM
I guess Public Storage figured I need a new source of WuFlu panic. They sent me an email telling me what they're doing about it. Like I need to know.  ;/
All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations.  Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel.  We are minimizing outside contractors also.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 09:41:46 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations.  Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel.  We are minimizing outside contractors also.   

The FAA told us to wash our hands and not come to work sick so....
Literally no other guidance.  No guidance on what to do or who to advise if we have symptoms or are exposed.  I honestly think they don't have any plans in place, which is indicative of how this administration has run the entire response to corona.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 11, 2020, 09:45:30 AM
"Guidance" around my office is pretty much the same. Wash your hands, don't come to work sick.

There's a "Pi Day" bake off on Friday in which everyone brings in their homemade pies.

I was going to make a Shoo Fly Pie.

Not going to do it now for two reasons...

1. Corona (minor).

2. Seren has gone into explosive shedding mode and I can't keep up. I'm finding dog fur in EVERYTHING. I don't feel like making a pie and having a coworker get a big mouthful of dog fur.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 11, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
Well this ought to spark a nice panic in Germany...

Merkle Says Most Germans Will Get Corona -- https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-latest-updates.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.

I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 10, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Aaaand...this is congress' priority regarding covid-19 response:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-rep-kevin-mccarthy-must-take-down-his-racist-chinese-coronavirus-tweet-and-apologize/
I have to wonder what sort of money/investments some of these D.C. people have in China.  There have been some prominent democrats who occasionally go out of their way to praise and/or defend China when any criticism comes up.  There was a point a couple months ago that Bloomberg did the same thing.  

(At least I hope it is just money/investments.   [tinfoil] )
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 09:41:46 AM
The FAA told us to wash our hands and not come to work sick so....
Literally no other guidance.  No guidance on what to do or who to advise if we have symptoms or are exposed.  I honestly think they don't have any plans in place, which is indicative of how this administration has run the entire response to corona.
That was mostly what all the pandemic plans I mentioned were.  Wash your hands.  Keep food and bathrooms clean.  Don't come to work sick.  Consider working from home if possible.  If you are sick, talk to your doctor and work things out with them.  Your doctor should know who to contact in the local county or govt. 

Honestly, I don't know what other plans you expect.  It isn't a complicated problem.  I have heard plenty of medical professionals say the same stuff in interviews.  They probably have more plans that don't involve the general public. 

Do you really expect them to publicize plans to isolate neighborhoods and fire bomb them from the air or use a MOAB?   Air traffic controllers are probably higher on that notification list than lowly plant engineers.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 11, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.

This is following an exponential ramp up.  Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so.  Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.

China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures.  Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 10:03:21 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 10, 2020, 07:41:48 PM
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 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Coronastoid?  
Wuhan Rock?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
This is following an exponential ramp up.  Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so.  Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.

China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures.  Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
Should I assume competence among communist decision makers? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Should I assume competence among communist decision makers? 

No, but you should assume that wouldn't give a *expletive deleted*it about the health of their population while chasing dollars.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
This is following an exponential ramp up.  Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so.  Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.

China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures.  Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?

So at 100K, around 4K deaths (assuming the current WHO ~4% mortality)? We'll still be well under the regular flu, and we're fast approaching the end of the flu season. We'll likely see 4000 automobile related deaths in the same time period.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 11, 2020, 10:11:04 AM
So at 100K, around 4K deaths (assuming the current WHO ~4% mortality)? We'll still be well under the regular flu, and we're fast approaching the end of the flu season. We'll likely see 4000 automobile related deaths in the same time period.

We don't really know where the inflection point is though.  Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 11, 2020, 10:25:37 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
We don't really know where the inflection point is though.  Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.

It really depends on when people start taking it seriously. I see some colleges/universities have jumped to online only classes for the rest of the semester. That is likely a good idea.

From the available information (which may be wrong), the biggest issue seems to be how contagious this disease is.

There are very few people left in this country that will recall quarantines for measles and the like. This is not as communicable as the measles, but it's a very contagious disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 10:25:46 AM
Two articles just appeared on twitchy
One  :facepalm:
The other  :facepalm:

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   CORONAVIRUS LOOPHOLE!!!!! If you don’t have insurance and can’t afford to take the $3200 test for the virus ($1000 with insurance), DONATE BLOOD. They HAVE to test you for the virus in order to donate blood. Tell your friends! Tell your family!!!!!

    — una puta mala (@VL0ko) March 9, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/tweet-telling-sick-people-to-go-donate-blood-for-a-free-coronavirus-test-has-200000-likes-and-counting/

And is it really $3,200 ??


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   JUST IN: Three TSA officers at #SanJose Int’l Airport have tested positive for #coronavirus. TSA: “all TSA employees they have come in contact with (them) over the past 14 days are quarantined at home.” #SJC #airtravel.
    Full statement: pic.twitter.com/jj7JKlRYBP
  — Ian Cull (@NBCian) March 11, 2020
 
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/3-tsa-officers-at-san-jose-international-airport-test-positive-for-covid-19/


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 11, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
The problem keeps coming back to testing. Unless people know they are infected they won't self quarantine, certainly not for multiple weeks. If infected people aren't quarantining then it continues to spread too rapidly and eventually we end up like Italy.

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/coronavirus-testing-lab-materials-shortage-125212
A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
On a local forum guy posted that his wife was sick and he took her to the hospital where they told him they had no beds available. They're only reporting two C19 cases in the entire city. Regular flu maybe or they playing down the numbers?  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
On a more humorous note  :rofl:

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    "Hunter Biden's lawyers alerted the Arkansas judge presiding over the child support lawsuit against him that he will be unable to attend his scheduled court deposition this week, citing travel restrictions caused by the coronavirus…" – https://t.co/imINeEJZQc

    — Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) March 10, 2020
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The judge literally told Biden's lawyer he needed to be in her courtroom tomorrow "Unless his hair is on fire".
I am pretty sure she doesn't buy this excuse.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/coronavirus-travel-restrictions-will-keep-hunter-biden-from-appearing-at-child-support-hearing/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 11, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
We don't really know where the inflection point is though.  Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.

I'll certainly agree that global reporting efforts have been horrendous. It's like monkeys typing Shakespeare.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 11, 2020, 11:00:12 AM
On testing- my company has gotten huge orders for biochemicals from a few places that are gearing up to make test kits. We are currently on semi-permanent 'voluntary' weekend overtime since last weekend. I get to volunteer, because I'm salaried.  =(

On the bright side, we are about as far away from either coast as can be, so the it might be awhile before the virus reaches this far inland.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 11, 2020, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 11, 2020, 11:00:12 AM
On testing- my company has gotten huge orders for biochemicals from a few places that are gearing up to make test kits. We are currently on semi-permanent 'voluntary' weekend overtime since last weekend. I get to volunteer, because I'm salaried.  =(

On the bright side, we are about as far away from either coast as can be, so the it might be awhile before the virus reaches this far inland.

On the other hand, a Missouri student flew into O'Hare from Italy and then took the train down to St. Louis... where he was then diagnosed with the Wuhan Coronavirus, meaning that at least dozens of people all across mid-state Illinois were exposed.

It just takes one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 11:16:23 AM


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Flyer News
@FlyerNews
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10h
UD students gathered in large crowds on Lowes Street in the South Student Neighborhood Tuesday night in reaction to the news that university housing would close Wednesday for most students due to the spread of the coronavirus.
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Flyer News
@FlyerNews
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Multiple students have reported to Flyer News that what is presumed to be tear gas was shot at students. Students were seen vomiting.
https://twitter.com/FlyerNews/status/1237597995589197824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

FFS, EVERYONE: Police in riot gear clashed with students at the Univ. of Dayton after school closed housing over coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/ffs-everyone-police-in-riot-gear-clashed-with-students-at-the-univ-of-dayton-after-school-closed-housing-over-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 11, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 11, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.

I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

This, in spades.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 11, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.

I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

The problem with this, is it's bad information.  We haven't reached full exposure of the COVID-19 virus.  The flu is "in the wild" so to speak.  It's a lifecycle virus that most of the world is exposed to throughout the year.  We sometimes get new strains (swine flu, for example), but overall it's all out there.
COVID-19 is a brand new strain of corona virus.  And we already know it's way deadlier than swine flu, which became widespread within just a year.
If we use Korea's numbers, as they have been doing the most testing, and just go off of lethality....
The flu has less than a .1% mortality rate.  In SK, COVID19 is .6% so far.  In a very short period of time.  In Wuhan, it's north of 2%, possibly as high as 3.4%
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Low end infections in the US for the flu: 34 million, with 20,000 low end death estimates.
.6% of 34 million is 204,000.

Further, the swine flu has an R0 factor of about 1.5.  This means that if you have it, you'll infect on average 1.5 people.  The R0 factor of COVID19 is 2.28.  So 1 person infects 3/4 of a person more than the old swine flu.
So we know it's more contagious than the flu.  And has a higher mortality rate.


If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths.  How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 11, 2020, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
The problem with this, is it's bad information.  We haven't reached full exposure of the COVID-19 virus.  The flu is "in the wild" so to speak.  It's a lifecycle virus that most of the world is exposed to throughout the year.  We sometimes get new strains (swine flu, for example), but overall it's all out there.
COVID-19 is a brand new strain of corona virus.  And we already know it's way deadlier than swine flu, which became widespread within just a year.
If we use Korea's numbers, as they have been doing the most testing, and just go off of lethality....
The flu has less than a .1% mortality rate.  In SK, COVID19 is .6% so far.  In a very short period of time.  In Wuhan, it's north of 2%, possibly as high as 3.4%
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Low end infections in the US for the flu: 34 million, with 20,000 low end death estimates.
.6% of 34 million is 204,000.

Further, the swine flu has an R0 factor of about 1.5.  This means that if you have it, you'll infect on average 1.5 people.  The R0 factor of COVID19 is 2.28.  So 1 person infects 3/4 of a person more than the old swine flu.
So we know it's more contagious than the flu.  And has a higher mortality rate.

If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths.  How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?

Another issue: That mortality rate is affected by how effective treatment is for the serious cases. Better care means better results.

Overwhelm the ICUs with a mass of cases and the mortality rate jumps, likely explaining the higher mortality in China (beyond the third world hygiene that appears to be often the case there.)

The fewer people that get infected, the better care those with serious cases can get.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 11:36:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096603/Drunk-man-strips-underpants-subway-station-bites-anti-coronavirus-officers.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 11, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 11:36:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096603/Drunk-man-strips-underpants-subway-station-bites-anti-coronavirus-officers.html

That raises an interesting thought.

I don't know if China is among them, but many other countries have an amount of public drunkenness that is nearly unimaginable to people in this country.

That can't help in preventing transmission of a contagious disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths.  How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?

Please don't any of you take this as heartless, but I'm just trying to put this in perspective to all the apocalypse preps going on right now and the MSM 24/7 stuff.

Lets say every person in the US got infected. That would, at the current worst case 4% mortality number, mean ~1.2 million deaths. So what? That's 24,000 (just a simple "divide by 50" average) deaths per state. Absolutely it's a significant number, and absolutely it would suck for the dead and their families. Again, don't take it as heartless, but I'm just looking at unemotional numbers, because:

The average annual death rate in the US is ~3 million people. So at 100% exposure to the virus, absolute worst case scenario (again, simple numbers without taking age ratios into account), the annual US death rate would go from 3 million to 4 million. If we look at 1/3 of the US population contracting it with a 2% mortality rate (still a worst case, but more realistic pandemic numbers), ~400K deaths. So 3.4 million annual deaths instead of 3 million.

What is more likely to happen is that maybe 10% of the US population gets it (this is about how many get the regular flu). Worst case 4% mortality and we're down to 136K deaths. At 2% mortality, 68K deaths. That barely registers at the annual 3 million deaths number.

People are going to suffer, and people are going to die, but it's not end times due to the virus. We approach end times and stock market crashes from the overreaction to the virus. JMO.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 11, 2020, 11:44:40 AM


People are going to suffer, and people are going to die, but it's not end times due to the virus. We approach end times and stock market crashes from the overreaction to the virus. JMO.

That I agree with.  There are plenty of things we already could compare it to that we do willingly that are deadly af.  Obesity related illness deaths in the US are 300k+ a year.  Over 30% of the population is considered obese.

This thing is nasty.  We should have been ahead of the testing, because snuffing out pandemics is actually a sensible use of government. 
Us individuals should be prepared for issues like quarantines, and be smart about our interactions.
But it's not going to be madmax out there in six months. Nobody's making guzzoline runs next year.
Stock market was a mixture of factors.  China shut down their economy to stop this thing.  Saudi Arabia is having an oil war with Russia.  And then, when COVID-19 hit the US....the President's tweets and comments were out of step with what his taskforce and the CDC had to say on it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
Us individuals should be prepared for issues like quarantines, and be smart about our interactions.

George Carlin has the perfect quote for this:

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
I wonder if this will actually have any affect on my companies policy of "Don't come to work sick" (but if you take off for being sick we will find some way to *expletive deleted*ck you).
About 20 years ago I worked for a manager that operated like that, He actually told me the reason I lost out on 1% of my annual raise was because I took off half a day sick, one time during the year. Next time I had a raging case of deathfluplague I made sure I went to work and spent as much time as possible around him. He got sick as hell and spent 3 days in the hospital over it. I laughed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 11, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
Ah, the "you have sick days, but you can't use them" employment strategy.

Read a thing on Reddit where the owner of a small business was a complete ass about things like this. Wanted employees to come to work dead, basically.

He gets a raging case of some really nasty bug, comes to work long enough to infect about half of his staff, then goes out sick for a couple of days. Owner, so it's fine.

His infected staff goes out sick with the same thing.

Everyone gets back, and he goes on an absolute rampage, screaming about dedication and responsibilities, etc., and how everyone who took off sick would be losing their bonuses or whatnot.

Within a week, over half the staff quit and the business ended up tanking.



True or not, who knows. But I have no doubt that things like it have happened.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 11, 2020, 12:29:14 PM
Quote
Lets say every person in the US got infected. That would, at the current worst case 4% mortality number, mean ~1.2 million deaths. So what? That's 24,000 (just a simple "divide by 50" average) deaths per state. Absolutely it's a significant number, and absolutely it would suck for the dead and their families. Again, don't take it as heartless, but I'm just looking at unemotional numbers, because:

Ur maths r rong.

300 million people, 4% mortality, comes out to 12 million dead.  240,000 per state.

It'd attack urbanized zones disproportionately though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 11, 2020, 12:29:14 PM
Ur maths r rong.

300 million people, 4% mortality, comes out to 12 million dead.  240,000 per state.

It'd attack urbanized zones disproportionately though.

Yikes, yes. I grabbed an old calculator that doesn't go to nine digits and didn't doublecheck with my brain. "Mike Bloomberg could give every person in the US a million dollars!"  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 11, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:06:59 PM

But it's not going to be madmax out there in six months. Nobody's making guzzoline runs next year.


Buzzkill . . . .   ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:39:37 PM
To be clear, I used South Korea's .6% number.  Italy has a 5% mortality rate, likely contributed to by their aging population.  They have a much higher average of population over 40 than the rest of the world.
Italy's average mortality age from COVID19 is 81. 

We'd probably be north of Korea's number, because Americans are fat and sick. 

Oh, and breaking news. The WHO just declared it a pandemic. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on March 11, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
Buzzkill . . . .   ;/

When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was.  That made me laugh.  I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk.   Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 11, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was.  That made me laugh.  I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk.   Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...


I went and converted $600 into an augmentary grocery run.  A week to 10 days worth of lots of fresh foods, and then about a month's worth of longer shelf life stuff.  We were low on rice and pasta sauce and canned foods anyways.  And made sure we had all the "Oh, I gotta run out for..." crap.  Chicken feed, dog food, garbage bags, cleaning supplies, etc.  None of it is prepper stuff, just stuff to minimize our need to interact unnecessarily.  It'll all get used whether it's TIKIWIKI or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:39:37 PM
To be clear, I used South Korea's .6% number.  Italy has a 5% mortality rate, likely contributed to by their aging population.  They have a much higher average of population over 40 than the rest of the world.
Italy's average mortality age from COVID19 is 81.   

Also, No other country has tested as high a percentage of their population as South Korea has, so their number is probably closer to reality. Italy hasn't tested anywhere near as much, only people who show up with enough symptoms, so the CFR is much higher.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 11, 2020, 12:48:33 PM
I'm sort of glad that I got ahead of this one supplies wise.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk.   Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...


These continue (and will increase) to be valid concerns. We have zero reported cases in this state, but I'm still looking at skipping unnecessary trips to crowded places. I'm already not doing my few times a month downtown Boise beer and burger lunches and just cooking at home. Also more trips to the local grocery instead of Costco. I may not think it's the Racoon City virus, but I still don't want to catch the damn thing. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was.  That made me laugh.  I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk.   Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...

Did you pass up a free pass to buy ammo?

I already bought some 9mm this month which I needed anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 11, 2020, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
I wonder if this will actually have any affect on my companies policy of "Don't come to work sick" (but if you take off for being sick we will find some way to *expletive deleted*ck you).
About 20 years ago I worked for a manager that operated like that, He actually told me the reason I lost out on 1% of my annual raise was because I took off half a day sick, one time during the year. Next time I had a raging case of deathfluplague I made sure I went to work and spent as much time as possible around him. He got sick as hell and spent 3 days in the hospital over it. I laughed.


Good point, and I think that's the flaw in the corporate responses I've seen reported so far. Companies are telling workers not to come in if they feel sick or think they may have the coronavirus ... but then they go on to say that the time off will be handled in accordance with standard absence policies. I suspect that a lot of Americans use up most or all of their annual sick time at the end of each year because it doesn't carry over, so this early in the year most people aren't going to have two weeks of sick time available -- if they ever might. Many may not even have two weeks of vacation available and, if they did, they'd be reluctant to "waste" it on being sick. So I think a lot of people are going to ignore the advice and come to work anyway, because they need the paycheck.

If the Democrats are really the workers' party, why hasn't the House proposed emergency funding to pay people who stay home and self-quarantine? Set it up like short-term unemployment compensation or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 11, 2020, 01:01:58 PM
I wonder if this will be covered under the FMLA:

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 11, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 11, 2020, 12:58:21 PM
If the Democrats are really the workers' party, why hasn't the House proposed emergency funding to pay people who stay home and self-quarantine? Set it up like short-term unemployment compensation or something.

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/congress-coronavirus-trump-response-124981
House Democrats are moving ahead with their own economic package that includes paid sick leave for certain workers, extra funding for children’s school lunches, expanded unemployment insurance, and increased spending on social safety-net programs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
It was only a matter of time

Quote
The World Health Organization on Wednesday declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic.
Coronavirus declared global pandemic; US deaths at 31
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/11/us-states-race-contain-coronavirus-cases-near/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 11, 2020, 02:10:41 PM
https://khn.org/news/surging-health-care-worker-quarantines-raise-concerns-as-coronavirus-spreads/

We are already pondering the 14 day self-quarantine for exposed healthcare workers with no symptoms.  If this continues, we will run out of hospital and clinic staff in short order.  Hopefully testing will become more available, and we can return people to work ASAP once the test comes back negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 11, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Over 400 cases confirmed here in Sweden right now, no deaths reported so far. I should probably buy some more pasta and canned foods tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 11, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 11, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Over 400 cases confirmed here in Sweden right now, no deaths reported so far. I should probably buy some more pasta and canned foods tomorrow.

That is actually a good thing IMO, the more cases reported with less mortality the mortality rate goes down, people quit running around waving their arms like their hair is on fire and COVID-19 becomes part of the landscape like H1N1 (Swine Flu). But until then let chaos and panic rein!!  :facepalm:


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 11, 2020, 02:10:41 PM
https://khn.org/news/surging-health-care-worker-quarantines-raise-concerns-as-coronavirus-spreads/

We are already pondering the 14 day self-quarantine for exposed healthcare workers with no symptoms.  If this continues, we will run out of hospital and clinic staff in short order.  Hopefully testing will become more available, and we can return people to work ASAP once the test comes back negative.

Had this exact discussion at work.  If we get exposed, are they just going to quarantine all of us?  How TF does that work...my facility works IAD/DCA/BWI approach control all from the same room...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 11, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
Had this exact discussion at work.  If we get exposed, are they just going to quarantine all of us?  How TF does that work...my facility works IAD/DCA/BWI approach control all from the same room...

Sounds like either nobody gets sick or you all get sick, not much wiggle room there.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 11, 2020, 03:21:38 PM
This just in: the Seattle school district, the largest in the state, is closing all schools for at least two weeks starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 11, 2020, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 11, 2020, 03:21:38 PM
This just in: the Seattle school district, the largest in the state, is closing all schools for at least two weeks starting tomorrow.

How much of this two week closure is part of spring break?


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 11, 2020, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: BobR on March 11, 2020, 03:24:54 PM
How much of this two week closure is part of spring break?
None according to this:
Quote from: https://www.seattleschools.org/district/calendars/news/what_s_new/school_calendar
April 12 – 16 Spring break (no school)
https://www.seattleschools.org/district/calendars/news/what_s_new/coronavirus_update
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-cancels-general-election-to-stymie-coronavirus
Trump Cancels 2020 Election Over Coronavirus Concerns


Quote
Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders also seemed very relieved by the announcement, as they’re both very tired and worried about getting sick. Sanders was especially happy, telling the press, “You know, for a few moments there, it really seemed like I might win, and I didn’t know what was going to happen if people actually expected me to follow through on all that free stuff.” Sanders is now deciding in which of his three houses to self-quarantine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 04:45:15 PM
This is going to be weird

Quote
All men's and women's NCAA Tournament games will be played without fans when it begins next week, the organization announced Wednesday.
Quote
Only "essential staff and limited family" will be in attendance," Emmert said.

NCAA tournament games to be played without fans
https://www.wdrb.com/news/ncaa-tournament-games-to-be-played-without-fans/article_2baed2dc-63d6-11ea-ac9c-0b20a00ee325.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-cancels-general-election-to-stymie-coronavirus
Trump Cancels 2020 Election Over Coronavirus Concerns



That is high on the reddit conspiracy list.  I giggle because the right swore  up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
That is high on the reddit conspiracy list.  I giggle because the right swore  up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
I heard that with Obama as well.  The birther thing had more legs than that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
That is high on the reddit conspiracy list.  I giggle because the right swore  up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.

Reagan was accused of that plan, as well as Clinton Bush W and Obama. Nothing new here
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 07:16:49 PM
The City of Houston has canceled the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.   =(

https://www.rodeohouston.com/2020
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 11, 2020, 08:34:46 PM
That's millions of dollars affected.

2019: 800 scholarships of over $12M; more than $27M of .gov money.

https://www.axs.com/5-things-you-didn-t-know-about-houston-livestock-show-and-rodeo-135991

Ouch.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 11, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
Trump is on TV right now.  Said something about shutting off Europe.  Anyone catch that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7KCyRxOoJw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 11, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Yep.

"We will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into efect Friday at midnight."

"These restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."


Holy *expletive deleted*it.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 11, 2020, 09:20:09 PM
Trump is throwing a ton of money at the problem and economy.

- Got insurance companies to wave co-pays for Covid-19 treatments
- SBA to loan up to $50 billion
- Defer IRS tax payments for certain people/businesses
- Asking for immediate payroll tax relief

https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-us-travel-restrictions-countries
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 11, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
Yeah saw the speech. My jaw dropped when he talked about Europe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 11, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Yep.

"We will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into efect Friday at midnight."

"These restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."


Holy *expletive deleted*it.



I'm trying to remember, how long were airliners grounded after 9-11? I keep thinking one week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 11, 2020, 09:41:05 PM
I wonder if there is more to the Europe thing, as in Trump giving the EU the finger. At any rate, I approve,
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 11, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: T.O.M. on March 11, 2020, 09:51:28 PM
I'm in middle Ohio.  There are four confirmed cases in the state.  Governor has banned events with more than 150 people present. Sporting events with reduced or eliminated spectators.  Lots of local events being cancelled.  A run on grocery stores for essentials... WalMart near me was out of TP, peanut butter and bread per friends.  Irony is that Target I stopped by had all of that in good supply, so I picked up some of each for that friend... got 100 rounds of .357 in trade, so all is good.  (He didn't need the items, but his elderly mother did.  He's well stocked, which is how he could give me ammo without blinking.).

This is getting real, either the panic of the illness will get people killed
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 09:55:00 PM
They're currently in Australia

Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson say they've tested positive with coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 11, 2020, 09:56:20 PM
Denmark just closed all schools for two weeks. Also, all public sector employees with non-critical jobs are sent home starting Friday. They also reported 252 new confirmed cases in a single day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 11, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 11, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
Trump is on TV right now.  

Didn't hear much about testing.  =(
It's difficult to calibrate a proper response without proper testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 11, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 11, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Didn't hear much about testing.  =(
It's difficult to calibrate a proper response without proper testing.

It's now pandemic,  who cares.

I'm assuming it's going around,  and if I get pneumonia to the point I can't breath,  it's probably Kung Flu.  At which point everyone else will have it and testing won't matter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 11, 2020, 10:16:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JonahDispatch/status/1237916287554248704
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2020, 11:03:11 PM


NBA suspends season until further notice after player tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nba-suspends-season-until-further-notice-over-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 11, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
I went by the local HEB grocery to pick up some fresh apples and oranges.  The toilet paper was gone.  Hand sanitizer was gone also.  Bar soap they had plenty.  Most everything else was in good supply also.  I might have to check in a few days and see if they get more.  

Thankfully, I have plenty.  I was just checking.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 11, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.

Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 12, 2020, 12:11:18 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 11, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.

Spoke too soon, we got 3 now with the NBA Utah Jazz player testing positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 12, 2020, 01:15:41 AM
Great; I've got about 8 people here from France at the moment for 2 weeks. One got turned away at JFK and sent back, but we didn't know why at the time. Now, we need to decide whether to send them back in 2 weeks, or park them here because we don't know when or who will be able to come later. They aren't going to like it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 12, 2020, 01:39:35 AM
I have to take a certain number of hours of in-service training every three-year cycle to keep up my license as a building inspector. My cycle comes up in June of this year. I don't have the hours I need yet. The state has plenty of classes scheduled between now and June, so I wasn't worried ... until today.

Today the state sent out an e-mail blast that classes are cancelled for two weeks, starting on Monday. After that, they'll evaluate and possibly cancel another two weeks. At the rate this thing is spreading, my guess is that there won't be any more classes this cycle. I hit a class tonight, which gives me another 3 hours. I guess I'll have to make up the rest with on-line seminars and quizzes. (Which I hate.)

A friend of mine works in the IT department of the biggest hospital in the area. He just told me that they are now telling ALL support personnel who aren't directly, physically involved in running the hospital to stay home and telecommute. He said that means his IT department is looking at signing up (and supporting) 7,000 additional users. The good news for him is that the IT office is remote from the hospital campus ... but he has to go in, he can't effectively telecommute for his job.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 12, 2020, 01:44:27 AM
Ohio has its first community spread case of COVID-19.  

Quote from: From below link
The state says the male patient from Stark County in northeastern Ohio is in his 50s and is currently hospitalized. The patient has not traveled recently and didn't have contact with anyone else with coronavirus.


 https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-confirms-first-coronavirus-cases-continues-testing-2020-mar (https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-confirms-first-coronavirus-cases-continues-testing-2020-mar)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 12, 2020, 05:44:08 AM
NBA suspended all games.

I suspect the reason there isn't  more of a push for widespread testing is because they don't want to induce more panic and paralyze society.

There wasn't enough time to get enough tests to get in front of this. Locking down areas that get hot is probably where this heading.

We most likely have many times more infections than publicly admitted. It's a bad bug but probably not the apocalyptic end the doom and gloomers are convinced has been unleashed.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 07:30:48 AM
Large school district here in Northern Virginia has shut down through the end of next week.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 07:47:58 AM
3-4 new confirmed cases in different areas of WI last night.
We had a company town hall meeting on covid-19 yesterday. There were any specifics, but corporate-wide, there are going to be forms that have to be filled out and for approval of all site visits or outside contractors coming in. The Corporation also has contingency plans for when employees become sick. It came down to "if you are sick, get checked out and stay home, report to your manager and it will go up the chain to the top and you'll be taken care of"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 12, 2020, 12:11:18 AM
Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.

We just let people come back from Italy after their outbreak went off, without screening them at all.  Government is inept, period.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:19:57 AM
No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 08:33:37 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:19:57 AM
No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P  :laugh:

They're there, just not tested yet. 
CDC has finally admitted that some of the flu deaths they're counting for the year likely died from COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:34:31 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 08:33:37 AM
They're there, just not tested yet. 
CDC has finally admitted that some of the flu deaths they're counting for the year likely died from COVID.


I should have said reported cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:34:31 AM
I should have said reported cases.

You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:45:58 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 08:43:55 AM
You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P


Rednecks rule, dude.  :laugh:

https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 08:54:27 AM
Here in Ground Zero of Seattle, we still don't have enough test kits, so the Health Department is rationing them out. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 12, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
I was supposed to go see Itzhak Perlman play tonight (my wife's Christmas present to me) but it's been cancelled. It's a small thing, but I've been trying to see him for about 3 years, and I'm pretty bummed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 08:43:55 AM
You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P


So.... Meth stops corona virus?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 12, 2020, 09:07:26 AM
Some interesting math, telling an interesting story. I I especially like the China bar graph with the gray and yellow retrospective known vs. actual cases.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
So.... Meth stops corona virus?
Keep it quiet, but I heard toilet paper prevents corona virus.  That is why it is being bought up.  Don't spread it around though.   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 09:16:55 AM
I think I've found a beer virus business opportunity. I have come up with a device to keep people from touching their faces (and licking their balls):

(https://www.mvtimes.com/mvt/uploads/2017/10/Cone-head_Reni_-_dog_in_Elizabethan_collar.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 12, 2020, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 12, 2020, 09:16:55 AM
I think I've found a beer virus business opportunity. I have come up with a device to keep people from touching their faces (and licking their balls):

(https://www.mvtimes.com/mvt/uploads/2017/10/Cone-head_Reni_-_dog_in_Elizabethan_collar.jpg)

Just so long as someone else can lick my balls.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 12, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 12, 2020, 08:19:57 AM
No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P  :laugh:

Not just my company. You know that approximately everyone at Micron is Asian, of all flavors. During Chinese new year it was like a ghost town as everyone went back to visit family. So my 8 French people are a drop in the bucket.

Trump suspended travel from all of EU because the Schengen agreement means just blocking Italy is nonsense since you can just walk across the border to another country and fly out without a passport Visa trail to identify your travel history. It's still a crude move, but what else can you do. People might criticize EU for that, but US is even worse. If we wanted to shut down the ID border, we have literally no legal or practical way to do it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 09:33:56 AM
Coworker just came in. She stopped at a local grocery on her way to the office to grab a few things... people were panic buying. Took her two hours to get her stuff and get out of the store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 09:33:56 AM
Coworker just came in. She stopped at a local grocery on her way to the office to grab a few things... people were panic buying. Took her two hours to get her stuff and get out of the store.

Not shocked. 

It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 09:45:41 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 12, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
It's still a crude move, but what else can you do.

Until we're up to speed on testing, people are going to over-react.

Quote from: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/12/814522489/singapore-wins-praise-for-its-covid-19-strategy-the-u-s-does-not
"Without testing, you have no idea how extensive the infection is. You can't isolate people. You can't do anything," he says. "And so then we're left with a completely different set of choices. We have to shut schools, events and everything down, because that's the only tool available to us until we get testing back up. It's been stunning to me how bad the federal response has been."

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.

I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.

I also realized last night that I'm almost out of coffee, and for me, that IS a panic situation. If I don't have my morning coffee I tend to rampage through the streets like Godzilla.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Not shocked. 

It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.

Yup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on March 12, 2020, 10:05:53 AM
...aaaaaand Texas Tech just canceled classes the week after Spring Break. After that, it's online instruction only until further notice.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.

I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.

I also realized last night that I'm almost out of coffee, and for me, that IS a panic situation. If I don't have my morning coffee I tend to rampage through the streets like Godzilla.

Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday.  Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
Not hearing anything about India, If there's any place I would expect something C19 to be like a bull in a China shop it would be India.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
Not hearing anything about India, If there's any place I would expect something C19 to be like a bull in a China shop it would be India.

I highly doubt they're testing in high numbers.  We'll hear in a few months about a huge death toll there I bet.  Most of India is third world shithole.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:11:05 AM
Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday.  Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.


.....SOOOOOO people were just told there's a (somewhat) scary disease that necessitate social distancing...

And they all packed into a store with hundreds of strangers who have been who knows where.


Good job, herd.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:17:59 AM
Of note, I tried the "keep 6 feet away from others" in the store the other day. It's really hard to do when no one else practices it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:17:59 AM
Of note, I tried the "keep 6 feet away from others" in the store the other day. It's really hard to do when no one else practices it.

Just do a lot of coughing....
Modern problems, meet modern solutions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:16:47 AM

.....SOOOOOO people were just told there's a (somewhat) scary disease that necessitate social distancing...

And they all packed into a store with hundreds of strangers who have been who knows where.


Good job, herd.

People don't plan ahead.  That whole 3 days of food in the house thing is real for most people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Not shocked. 

It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.

The time to prep was 3 weeks years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 12, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 12, 2020, 10:23:54 AM
Just do a lot of coughing....
Modern problems, meet modern solutions.



*cough*  *cough* *cough*   [muttering under breath] I haven't felt right since I returned from China.


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 12, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
The time to prep was 3 weeks years ago.
Months would have worked just fine if you jumped on it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 12, 2020, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 11, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.

If gatherings like this are prohibited, then the act of drafting and approving legislation also needs to be prohibited.

I'm concerned over lawmakers here in the US getting uppity and drafting something that affects critical rights at a time when protesting will get people thrown in prison for violating State of Emergency orders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
With just a little planning, you can order your groceries online and have them loaded into your car and never have to interact with anyone in person.

Use the available technology, people! (And, no, I'm not talking to the people on this forum who I'm sure have already taken precautions.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:11:05 AM
Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday.  Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.

I am REALLY glad that I started replenishing supplies a couple of weeks ago. I just had a funny feeling that this one was going to get interesting. I should have laid in a few more things, but I have enough to get me through at least 2 weeks in style, and 2 more weeks after that if I I'm inventive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 12, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
With just a little planning, you can order your groceries online and have them loaded into your car and never have to interact with anyone in person.

We started doing this about a month ago, not for social distancing but just for the convenience.
At our Kroger owned grocery store it's a $5 service which is worth it for us at the moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Made a run to the local grocery store this morning for a few odds and ends. Nothing out of the ordinary to mention and no indications of any panic buying. I did pick up another extra big package of TP but other than that I'm good for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:51:16 AM
Reports that the President will likely sign a disaster declaration today or soon thereafter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:51:16 AM
Reports that the President will likely sign a disaster declaration today or soon thereafter.

It's about the only thing he can do to stay ahead of this thing politically and salvage any chance he has for reelection come November.
The MSM and Democrat party (is that redundant?) will continue to pound the narrative that the CV is all Trump's fault.  Couple that with how the economy will contract significantly over the next several months, and Trump has an major uphill battle ahead of him to remain in the White House.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
It's about the only thing he can do to stay ahead of this thing politically and salvage any chance he has for reelection come November.

This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.

When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus!  are going to be forgotten/ignored.

The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.

But not much better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.

When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus!  are going to be forgotten/ignored.

The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.

But not much better.

It took them 2 months and a total lockdown to get there....

The democrats will use this as a rally cry for universal medicare, though. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.

When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus!  are going to be forgotten/ignored.

The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.

But not much better.

From your mouth keyboard to God's ears.  However, I am not as sanguine about it.  I think we're in for a prolonged negative economic impact from all this CV foolishness tanking the market.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
I am also not optimistic for a particularly quick economic recovery.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:02:02 AM
From your mouth keyboard to God's ears.  However, I am not as sanguine about it.  I think we're in for a prolonged negative economic impact from all this CV foolishness tanking the market.

I'm actually thinking (sympathy for those who contract it aside) that this is actually pretty good timing for it politically for Trump. AFAIK, most viruses reduce dramatically in the Summer, and as it fades from the news cycle, the bigger the drop in stocks now, the greater the rise in Summer/Fall. That (almost natural) rebound will only help Trump's PR.

Though it will be close with the stock market. 2nd quarter results might not look great. Third quarter should look much better, but it's cutting it close to the election.

Come this Fall, people will be thinking about the beer virus as much as they're currently thinking about the trouble in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
I never said that this is going to turn around in 3.7 seconds of Corona being declared vanquished and everything will be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.

Of course there are going to be long-term, slow to heal repercussions from this.

But this mess is fundamentally different from the origins of the Great Recession, and the recovery from it is going to be dramatically different, too.

Right now the genesis for most market selling is to get money into more secure commodities, such as gold. That's why the price has risen significantly over the last quarter.

Another driver in this mess right now is the burgeoning oil war kicking off between Russia and Saudia Arabia. That's adding a huge amount of market instability. That's not going to last forever, either. That one I suspect will have longer legs, but what it will do make more money available for the average person because the price of gasoline and products moved with oil-based fuel is likely going to start dropping.

Unless Corona turns into Spanish Flu and becomes a LOT more deadly than it is, we're going to be into a very nice recovery cycle leading right upto the 2020 election.

Could I be wrong about this? Of course I could be. But until I see a lot more bad in what's happening right now, I'm not going to be going full Howler Monkey of Doom any time soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty convinced it's going to be 2-3 months of rough going in the US followed by a full blown recession cycle. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
"Come this Fall, people will be thinking about the beer virus as much as they're currently thinking about the trouble in Hong Kong."

Or Venezuela.

Unless, of course, the media decides to rediaper that baby for it's front pages. 6 months ago Venezuela was all over the news. Now nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
I am also not optimistic for a particularly quick economic recovery.

In my non-expert opinion, the CV triggered an overdue correction in the market.  However, the "correction" has now fallen into true bear market territory, and this bear market will last quite a while.  If the economy follows the market, as it often does, I'm guessing we will see at least 7.5% unemployment come election time.  If that happens, Trump will be a one term president.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
I think we have a long ways to go yet down... but once the virus runs its course, which will take months, the markets will rocket upward.
We are a long ways away from that. 24/7 news cycle is going to be putting out a lot of bad news.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty convinced it's going to be 2-3 months of rough going in the US followed by a full blown recession cycle. 

Can't you just shake some IDLife on the economy and return it to hale and hearty health in a matter of days?  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:17:18 AM


Right now the genesis for most market selling is to get money into more secure commodities, such as gold. That's why the price has risen significantly over the last quarter.



Gold is getting hammered on down market down days. the opposite dynamic is going on- people/institutions are liquidating gold positions to cover their margin losses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
OK...

So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.

Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
OK...

So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.

Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Gold is lower today than it was in the last week of february. Down 3.6% today, in fact.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
OMG! YOU MEAN GOLD PRICES FLUCTUATES TOO!

WHO THE HELL KNEW?

 :rofl: :rofl:


Gold is still nicely up for the quarter, and my guess will remain up for the next quarter, as well.

The movements in the gold market are a bit unusual, but there not, by any stretch of the imagination, unprecedented, nor are they indicative of the end of civilization as the Howler Monkeys know it...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
OMG! YOU MEAN GOLD PRICES FLUCTUATES TOO!

WHO THE HELL KNEW?

 :rofl: :rofl:

yes, just like retirement portfolios...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
OK...

So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.

Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

We need someone to offset our doom and gloom, Mike.  Might as well be you.   :-*

I hope by this time next year I have enjoyed a big helping of crow for dinner, and we are all celebrating Trump's election to a second term, the House in firm Republican hands, and the Senate with a couple more conservatives in place.  But I am not going to run out right now to lay in some appropriate condiments for boneless breast of crow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
I don't think it's DOOM, I just don't think the timing is good to help Trump in the election.
Things will get back to normal and the markets will recover but not that quickly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
We need someone to offset our doom and gloom, Mike.  Might as well be you.   :-*

I hope by this time next year I have enjoyed a big helping of crow for dinner, and we are all celebrating Trump's election to a second term, the House in firm Republican hands, and the Senate with a couple more conservatives in place.

I don't think Trump is going to lose. Election day is still a long ways off, and there is plenty of time for the country to get through the pandemic and start recovery. Other than him trying to save the markets for a week instead of rallying around the idea of fighting COVID-19, none of the problems we have right now are his fault. I can't even imagine the disaster we would have on our hands if bernie or joe took the reigns right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 12, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
I can't even imagine the disaster we would have on our hands if bernie or joe took the reigns right now.

My guess would be wait too long and then jackboot it up.

Never let a crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
I don't think it's DOOM, I just don't think the timing is good to help Trump in the election.
Things will get back to normal and the markets will recover but not that quickly.
I am thinking along those lines as well.  I think whatever will happen with this virus is going to happen this Spring.  This election is still a ways away.  We haven't even seen the Bernie Army in action yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
We're 8 months from the election.

In a presidential election cycle that might as well be 8,774 PZA*

If this were happening 4 months from now? Yeah, then I'd be nervous. But right now. No, I'm not nervous.


*Post Zombie Apocalypse




Oh, and let's face it.

Trump isn't helping Trump in the election, for *expletive deleted*ck's sake. Someone needs to take his phone away and give him abacus, or a pocket calculator, or something other than a phone.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
Trump isn't helping Trump in the election, for *expletive deleted*ck's sake. Someone needs to take his phone away and give him abacus, or a pocket calculator, or something other than a phone.
I don't know what you're talking about :P
(https://i.imgur.com/eqNfwkV.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 11:36:53 AM
Besides, we hope The Boys season 2 will be out by then and everyone will forget all this stuff.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
OK...

So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.

Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah in 10 years my TSP will be nice and fat since I'll be buying in low for the next few years

Hows that for good news?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 12:24:48 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 11:42:33 AM

Yeah in 10 years my TSP will be nice and fat since I'll be buying in low for the next few years

Hows that for good news?

With Biden as President for the next 8 years? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
Just got back from the local grocery store where I picked up my lunch at the Corona bar.

Traffic was a bit heavier than most days at this time, but nothing that I'd consider to be out of the ordinary. The shelves seemed to be stocked, but I didn't check out the toilet paper aisle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/…/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/…

An interesting article showing how Italy is having to make decisions on who gets care when you have a finite supply of healthcare beds, technology and staff. I wonder if we will come to that here. This reminds me of the early days of kidney dialysis: there were limited numbers of machines and local hospital committees of medical and laypeople decided who received dialysis and who did not, and people lived or died by those decisions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 12, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
Traffic was a bit heavier than most days at this time, but nothing that I'd consider to be out of the ordinary. The shelves seemed to be stocked, but I didn't check out the toilet paper aisle.

Same at my store an hour ago, except that the TP, sanitizer, and rubbing alcohol were completely empty.  The cold/flu medicine and hydrogen peroxide were nearly empty.

I stopped in Staples for some office stuff.  They were fully stocked on TP.  I didn't check the sanitizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 12, 2020, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/…/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/…

An interesting article showing how Italy is having to make decisions on who gets care when you have a finite supply of healthcare beds, technology and staff. I wonder if we will come to that here. This reminds me of the early days of kidney dialysis: there were limited numbers of machines and local hospital committees of medical and laypeople decided who received dialysis and who did not, and people lived or died by those decisions.

Swine Flu:   60 million infected.  300,000 hospitalized.  Does anyone even remember it?   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 01:38:54 PM
NHL just announced that it's suspending the season.

And, stock markets are off their lows after a $1 trillion Fed package designed to ease strain on capital markets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 12, 2020, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 01:38:54 PM


And, stock markets are off their lows after a $1 trillion Fed package designed to ease strain on capital markets.

That was a really quick pump, then it fell again.... I'm really interested in seeing the last hour of trading today and tomorrow, that could indicate where things are going to go. I cashed out and took my gains when the S&P popped by the first percent. Sitting on the sidelines now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 01:57:56 PM
Decided to stop by Sam's Club to buy cat food since they have it on sale ($3 off per bag). Holy Moly the place was packed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
 :facepalm:

Quote
    I cannot make sense of this. Is he deliberately crashing the American economy and dividing us from Europe? If so, is this Putin's work, yet again? A final gift as Trump loses control of the country?

    — Heather Cox Richardson (TDPR) (@HC_Richardson) March 12, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/things-a-crazy-person-would-say-blue-check-professor-accuses-trump-of-doing-putins-work-with-coronavirus-travel-ban/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 02:16:24 PM
"That was a really quick pump, then it fell again...."

yep... that I did not expect... I expected a bit more moderated response, not a return to panicky rabbit running from a fox...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/great-coronavirus-war-stay-calm-rational-easily-defeat-enemy/
The Great Coronavirus War Is upon Us

I haven't read much of it yet.  Starts out as a clever view of things.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 12, 2020, 02:24:10 PM
I'm way behind on following this thread.

Yesterday, the Illinois State Rifle Associations annual lobby day at the beginning of April was cancelled.  Usually attracts thousands.  Tentatively rescheduled for middle of May.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 12, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.

Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.

How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 12, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 12, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?

Have you seriously never dealt with a bureaucracy before?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2020, 02:48:41 PM
And the Supreme Court just closed to the public until further notice.

Cue all of the 'tarded left screeching about how this is the start of the Trump Takeover...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 12, 2020, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 12, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.

Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.

How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?

Read the medium article linked in post 634.  It actually lays out pretty nicely why real cases lags behind reported cases, and while it's easy to know in hindsight how many cases there were, how many there are in any present is a much harder target.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 12, 2020, 03:24:52 PM
That medium article was good, but even common sense dictates that very few coronavirus cases will be reported, versus the actual count of infections.

Most people don't go to the doctor for the flu unless they actually need help getting over it.  And coronavirus has flu-like symptoms and a low mortality rate.  Yeah, it's 5-10x higher than a typical flu, but it's still pretty low.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 03:52:24 PM
Quote
    My 8-year old son asked “How can we hope to control this pandemic when Trump’s xenophobic science denial is clearly to blame?”

    I did not know how to answer and I am literally shaking.

    — Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) March 12, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/omg-hes-literally-shaking-kurt-schlichter-takes-the-woke-kid-story-to-a-whole-new-level-and-makes-media-look-even-dumber/

Sure he did wink wink
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 12, 2020, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.

I don't think it's as bad as all that.  Yes they are pushing that narrative and will as long as our numbers of sick are rising, but they've got the attention span of a toddler on speed.  as soon as the world doesn't end, they will move on.

We almost went to war in Jan, and most folks don't remember it.  Impeachment is almost completely out of the new cycle once they lost.

They will milk this for what they can and move on.

Unless the actual sickness gets to 1918 flu numbers of sick and dead, they won't be willing to stretch it that far.  They will "squirrel" to something else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.

Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed.  I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then.  With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?

Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?

YES. (Though "Panic" is not what I'd suggest, but taking things seriously and having everyone practice "Social Distancing." I can work in my office, and be over 6 feet away from everyone else. I don't see the need to shut down my office. If your company packs its employees in like sardines, it might want to encourage at least half of them to work from home.) Make it clear WHY we are doing this- not because most people will be in danger, but because there are limits to the numbers that our medical system can handle and we have to ensure this exponentially growing disease doesn't get there. You can go from one day having plenty of space in your ICUs, (only half of all beds taken up!) to the next day being full and the next day at twice capacity. You can't shut it down once it gets that far, you have to shut it down early.

If the reports are true about the nature of this disease (how contagious it is) then we need to act now, before we get large numbers of cases and fatalities. Waiting to act until there are a bunch of dead people ensure that we will have a huge number of dead people.

We haven't fully shut down our economy, like reports out of Italy say it has. I don't want to get to the point that we have to shut everything down to keep our medical system from getting overwhelmed like it is/was in China, Italy, and Iran.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 12, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then.  With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).

Perhaps.  I don't think it'll take that long to start going up, but it will take a while to fully recover.

Don't forget though, we still have to get a Dem candidate, and run an election with whatever shattered remains of the party come out of the convention.  Some of the Bernie supporters will revolt, Biden will forget that wisconson exists.  I legitimately am unwilling to call this election either way.

I don't think the economic damage is that lasting.  It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 12, 2020, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: dogmush on March 12, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
I don't think the economic damage is that lasting.  It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.

Yep. SOME of the decline is warranted, as companies have to deal with a new risk to their supply chains that was not priced in before. (Because everyone just whistled past the dangers of "just in time" inventories and relying on a single, adversarial country for most materials/goods.)

Hopefully companies will learn a lesson and diversify, strengthen, and shorten supply chains, but given the short-sighted nature of most CEOs, I'm not sanguine on that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 12, 2020, 04:56:02 PM
And OH Governor has ordered that all OH Schools (Public, Private, and Charter) will close after Monday March 16 and tentatively reopen April 6th.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.

PS: this will effect 563,000 kids
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.

THIS 👆

Literally the only way to take a pandemic and turn it into a nothing burger is snuff it the *expletive deleted*ck out.  If we let this spread wild, it will be as bad as the 1919 pandemic.  
Exponential caseloads overwhelming hospitals while cases are still on the rise....
Nothing good comes from that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on March 12, 2020, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.

PS: this will effect 563,000 kids

So, are they thinking this will be gone in April?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed.  I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.

I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.

In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 12, 2020, 06:33:44 PM
Trump is toast?

It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...

or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!

Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.




Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 06:35:35 PM
JCPS (Jefferson county aka Louisville) schools closed until 4-6
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 06:49:49 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 12, 2020, 06:33:44 PM
Trump is toast?

It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...

or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!

Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.





QFT. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 12, 2020, 07:01:35 PM
My county has a two weekend festival, this week and next, 62 years running. Cancelled. This is where all the civic groups make their money for the year. Less church missions, less scholarships; no new fire trucks. Brick and mortar businesses may close for good too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 12, 2020, 07:02:36 PM
Report from my niece in KY - the Governor has "highly recommended" that all schools, public & private, close next Monday & stay closed for at least 2 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753

Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 07:20:08 PM
I'm hoping these forecasts aren't very good/accurate.
 :O
Quote from: JP Morgan
Revised GDP forecast of -2.0% annualized growth in 1Q, followed by -3.0% growth in 2Q. ... forecast assumes a fiscal response of about $500 billion. .... If the spread of virus moderates .... stage could be set for a return to growth in 3Q, when we forecast 2.5%
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 12, 2020, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 12, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753

Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.

Thanks for posting that!

Not crazy, not partisan or political.

Just information.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 12, 2020, 07:20:08 PM
I'm hoping these forecasts aren't very good/accurate.
 :O

Sounds about right, or at least it's similar to what I've been spouting. Quarter 1 still has post holiday sales and other positive stuff that will moderate the virus stuff. Quarter 2 is when I expect all the bad news from supply chains, loss of revenue because people weren't doing anything except buying toilet paper (Charmin stock should be up 10,000%), etc.

I believe quarter 3 will have very good news because people will have been out doing stuff in the Summer, flying and cruising again, and supply chains should have had a chance to get caught up. I expect the market to rally. As I said elsewhere, quarter 3 announcements will be VERY close to the election, so whether Trump gets any benefits from it, or if he gets dragged down by quarter 2, will be an interesting timing issue.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: grampster on March 12, 2020, 07:36:39 PM
 Yup, close all the schools and then the kids will go hang out at the malls and movie theatres.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 12, 2020, 06:33:44 PM
Trump is toast?

It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...

or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!

Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.


If Hillary had been elected the virus would have committed suicide a long time ago
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 12, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.

In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.

Also,   there has been a great deal of tourism of Chinese into Italy .... and from Italy to America.  That is a BIG vector.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 12, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
I'm afraid that we're going to see a lot of small Mom & Pop businesses closing - forever.  There are a few around here who are just making it month to month.  Cut off their income for a few weeks to a month or so and they won't be able to recover.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 12, 2020, 08:49:40 PM
We aren’t mom and pop size we are a 600 employee company a month long shutdown would hurt us badly
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 12, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
Disney is closing nearly everything for the rest of March.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/business/disneyland-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 12, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
My company has announced that we should work from home if at all possible, at least until the end of March.  That's a big deal; a lot of the upper managers *hate* that we even can work from home effectively, and a year or so ago forced-out most of the telecommuters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 12, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 12, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.

I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
Edited to add a note about the pic below.  MGM Resorts in Vegas is shutting down buffets, beginning Sunday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2020, 10:48:01 PM
Some good news out of Oklahoma.

https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/report-first-person-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-in-oklahoma-has-recovered/?fbclid=IwAR2ZrCGGHVeL2xKKLxlqt9W4nlg6eonrkOtog20XaMjHp_0s9Pb3OHaDBNc (https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/report-first-person-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-in-oklahoma-has-recovered/?fbclid=IwAR2ZrCGGHVeL2xKKLxlqt9W4nlg6eonrkOtog20XaMjHp_0s9Pb3OHaDBNc)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 12, 2020, 10:56:44 PM
North Central Ohio schools are packing it in for the next month.

Went for groceries tonight and the lines at IGA were long and saw my first batch of people wearing masks.

Costco was approaching full retard according to a friend that went there today,  no word on Sam's club.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 12, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
Well my daughter had a blast in Johnson county today and my wife had her quarterly bank meeting today. I'm not sure I even want to go home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 13, 2020, 12:09:03 AM
At work today upper management posted a notice on the bulletin board about the kung flu. It basically said people need to not travel overseas and to wash your hands. There was a second page stapled to it so they were stacked and it was a dumb pictogram thing showing you how to wash your hands. Someone used the labelmaker and put note on it that said "it's a good thing you put this here so that everyone can touch the same thing!"

 :facepalm:

Idiots. I work for idiots. Of course, I work with idiots too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 13, 2020, 12:10:23 AM
First death in KC happened today.  Man from wyandotte in his 70's.  He was admitted to a hospital on Tuesday for what seemed like a cardiac issue, died less then 24 hours later.  Today, test results confirmed COVID-19.  He died in the nearest hospital to my house.

He contracted it from community spread.  Local health department is doing contact tracing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 12:25:06 AM
I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.

Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):

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Subject: Coronavirus is AIRBORNE! You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth




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Coronavirus is AIRBORNE!
You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth


“COVID19 IS AIRBORNE!  President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic.  Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others.   Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.”

The bureaucrats are failing us, yet again.

A U.S. level 4 biological lab has now confirmed<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=1f462170df&e=1c49b8ccf1> that the Coronavirus (COVID19) is an airborne (aerosol) virus.   This was also confirmed by a Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6c624da5b6&e=1c49b8ccf1> that researched an actual case of airborne spread on a public bus (see below for details).

And yet, the CDC, HHS, and White House Coronavirus Task Force have all failed to say ANYTHING about this!

This means that COVID19 is so small that it can be expelled in an infected person’s breath and linger in the air for at least a half an hour, as both the U.S. and Chinese studies confirmed, and while suspended in the air, it can infect other people who then breath that air in, inside an enclosed space (like a bus, airplane, train, subway, office building, school, church, car, personal home, etc), and it can therefore move from room to room in air-conditioning units (such as inside a nursing home, office building, school, cruise ship, hotel, etc), and likewise infect anyone who breaths it in.   A flu is NOT airborne, and can transmit only in droplets in sneezes, coughs, or left on surfaces.   This is one of the reasons why the Coronavirus vastly more contagious than a flu,  It is airborne, like other highly contagious viruses such as measles, tuberculosis, and smallpox.

As Fox News reported<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=935be23c11&e=1c49b8ccf1>:

“A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=627d788b09&e=1c49b8ccf1> COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6d250de8d1&e=1c49b8ccf1>, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.

“Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days,” the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.”

The Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=af50affe3d&e=1c49b8ccf1> analyzed the case of a Coronavirus carrier who infected other passengers in a bus who were up to 4.5 meters away from him, and the virus lingered in the air inside the bus even after the infected man got off the bus.   A passenger who got on the bus a half hour later was infected – proving that the virus can linger in the air inside an enclosed space for at least a half hour.  As the South China Morning Post<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e9de924f3c&e=1c49b8ccf1> reported:

“Hu Shixiong, the lead author of the study who works for the Hunan Provincial Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention, said the security camera footage showed patient “A” did not interact with others throughout the four-hour ride.

But by the time the bus stopped at the next city, the virus had already jumped from the carrier to seven other passengers.

These included not only people sitting relatively close to “patient zero”, but also a couple of victims six rows from him – roughly 4.5 metres away.

They all later tested positive, including one passenger who displayed no symptoms of the disease.

After these passengers left, another group got on the bus about 30 minutes later. One passenger sitting in the front row on the other side of the aisle also became infected.

Hu said the patient, who was not wearing a mask, was likely to have inhaled aerosols, or tiny particles, breathed out by the infected passengers from the previous group.

Aerosols are light-weighted particles that are formed from tiny droplets of bodily fluids.

“The possible reason is that in a completely enclosed space, the airflow is mainly driven by the hot air generated by the air conditioning. The rise of the hot air can transport the virus-laden droplets to a greater distance,” said the paper.

After getting off the shuttle bus, the initial carrier got on a minibus and travelled for another hour. The virus jumped to two other passengers, one of whom was also sitting 4.5 metres away from patient “A”.

By the time the study was finished in mid February, patient “A” had infected at least 13 people.”

And yet, U.S. Government officials have completely failed to even mention this reality, or to advise that public mass transportation, such as airlines, trains, subways, or buses be shut down.

Frankly, we have known that COVID19 is airborne for over two weeks, as we first published in our written warning on the Coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e2cd2e4c79&e=1c49b8ccf1> on February 28, 2020.   In that write up, we cited two public health officials in China stating that it is airborne, and a Singapore newspaper quoting the Singapore Ministry of Health sting that it is airborne.  We also posted up video of the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) stating in a press conference that the Coronavirus is airborne.  And yet WHO has also not made this part of its public recommendations on how this virus spreads or how to avoid becoming infected.  See below.

COVID19 IS AIRBORNE!  President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic.  Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others.   Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.

Frankly, we find this very frustrating and disturbing.   It is highly unlikely that the CDC was not aware of the reports out of China and Singapore that this is an airborne (aerosol) virus that we referred to back on February 28, 2020.   it is likewise unlikely that the CDC is ignorant of the Chinese study of the airborne spread on a public bus, that was published in Chinese media on March 9, 2020 .

But now that it is being widely reported in U.S. media that an American level 4 bio-lab has done its own study and concluded that it is indeed capable of being spread as an aerosol that lingers in the air for up to a half an hour.   What else will it take for the CDC to change its recommendations to the American people, or to elected officials?   What will it take for the White House task force on the virus to take decisive action by advising the President to shut down all domestic air travel?  Or to warn the American people to stop using mass-transit? Or to recommend that all schools be shut down, since it will also spread like wildfire through a school just as easily as on a public bus?

Don’t wait for the bureaucrats.   You must decide on your own to avoid all enclosed spaces, and especially while traveling.  Stop flying, stop riding the subway, stop riding buses.  And do all you can to avoid being in any enclosed public space with other people.


Read more on our website here: https://oathkeepers.org/2020/03/coronavirus-is-airborne-you-are-not-being-told-the-full-truth/<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=df6107e07e&e=1c49b8ccf1>
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 13, 2020, 12:42:33 AM
NRA Annual Meeting canceled.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 13, 2020, 05:08:24 AM
The Swedish Central Bank has decided to issue loans worth 500 billion kronor (roughly 50 billion $$$) to ensure that businesses do not go bankrupt during the outbreak. Glad to see something is being done right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
One of my ex-wives called me last night to tell me the local Aldi's was a complete *expletive deleted*it show. The closest confirmed case is still 50 miles away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 13, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 13, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
One of my ex-wives called me last night to tell me the local Aldi's was a complete *expletive deleted*it show. The closest confirmed case is still 50 miles away.

What was your response?


Who cares, peasant woman? I've made enough panic monkey money in the last two days that I now have staff to deal with *expletive deleted*it like that...


 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 08:14:42 AM
August, 2020
Tulsi Gabbard and Mike Pence are set to debate for the election.  AOC is speaker of the house.  The DOW is at 1,935 points.  The Dollar is now backed by toilet paper.  Nobody above 60 is left alive.
Brimic's ex wife is still in line at Aldi for toilet paper.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 08:26:07 AM

Why cancel culture is a good thing
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 08:26:07 AM
Why cancel culture is a good thing
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation



Side link from that link. Something about large burial trenches in Iran. If true Iran is getting whacked hard.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176968/coronavirus-iran-outbreak-satellite-photos-burial-trench

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 08:33:21 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 08:28:40 AM
Side link from that link. Something about large burial trenches in Iran. If true Iran is getting whacked hard.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176968/coronavirus-iran-outbreak-satellite-photos-burial-trench

Well, it's Iran. They could easily be using the virus as an excuse to eliminate undesirables who "caught the virus" without worrying about global reaction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 08:34:41 AM
Besides being dirty, they didn't shut down their holy sites until they were balls deep in an outbreak there.  I don't believe their numbers for a minute.  And as Ben said...never miss the opportunity for a good purge.  We know China disappeared some dissidents. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 08:38:10 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 08:33:21 AM
Well, it's Iran. They could easily be using the virus as an excuse to eliminate undesirables who "caught the virus" without worrying about global reaction.

That thought did pass through my mind
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 13, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 08:34:41 AM
Besides being dirty, they didn't shut down their holy sites until they were balls deep in an outbreak there.  I don't believe their numbers for a minute.  And as Ben said...never miss the opportunity for a good purge.  We know China disappeared some dissidents. 

There's also the reports of the faithful licking the sites in order to prove they weren't infected by the infidel virus.

But that certainly had nothing to do with the results. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 13, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
What was your response?


Who cares, peasant woman? I've made enough panic monkey money in the last two days that I now have staff to deal with *expletive deleted*it like that...


 :rofl:

I've been talking to her about it in case the kids have to be quarantined in one of our houses. She has a huge stockpile of preps that I left behind when I got divorced which I told her to go through and see what's still good, because the kids might need it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 09:17:31 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 12:25:06 AM
I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.

Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):

If it were airborne, that would seem to mean the numbers of unreported infections are much much higher than we know about. 

(https://media.defense.gov/2015/Nov/10/2001465894/780/780/0/151104-A-DP764-019.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake

(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)

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   MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: NPR Source Says Trump Blocked Coronavirus Testing in January to Aid His Reelection Chances By Keeping US Infection Figures Low

    NOTE: Please RETWEET this—America needs to know what this monster did. Thousands of future deaths will rightly be laid at his feet. https://t.co/FFGm5BDmIF

    — Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) March 12, 2020

And he doesn't stop there

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/faker-than-fake-news-seth-abramson-gives-alex-jones-a-run-for-his-its-turning-the-frogs-gay-money-in-trump-coronavirus-thread/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
And when in doubt pull numbers out of your arse

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Ohio health officials announced Thursday that the state has five known cases of the coronavirus, but one expert said that the number is likely much higher and estimated 100,000 undiagnosed cases.

Ohio likely has 100,000 coronavirus cases, top health official says
https://www.foxnews.com/health/ohio-likely-has-100000-coronavirus-cases-top-health-official-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
One of our friends here, their daughter is home from college.  Her roommate tested positive.  She's in self isolation.
The amount of confusion and lack of direction from the college and the state is mind boggling. 
She did a very good live video on facebook. I'm not putting her name up public, if you'd like to see the video pm me and I'll tell you where to find it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
I got emails this morning.  At least 2 gun shows this weekend were canceled.  Looks like just about all public events are canceled or shut down.  I might have to find somewhere to go just to buck the trend.

Might be the only good place to go is the gun range. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Might be the only good place to go is the gun range. 

Has the run on ammo started yet?  :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 13, 2020, 10:07:01 AM
The Rodeo has been cancelled in Houston. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 13, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Has the run on ammo started yet?  :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.

I'm set then.  Still got 8K or so in bulk pack boxes, from the Great 0bama Gun and Ammo Famine.  Whichever round of it when .22lr is all you could find.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 13, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Has the run on ammo started yet?  :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.

Sure can. How much ammo you got? I'll trade a roll for a 1000 pack.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 13, 2020, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 12:25:06 AM
I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.

Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):


It's airborne, and people are contagious before showing symptoms.  Containment is highly unlikely.  Unless a vaccine is created much more quickly than the year that experts are estimating at the moment. 

Here's a good site for info:  http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19 (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-to-vote-on-coronavirus-spending-package-on-friday-after-reaching-tentative-deal/
House to Vote on Coronavirus Spending Package on Friday after Reaching Tentative Deal
The package will guarantee free testing and 14 days of paid sick-leave for patients and tax credits for small- and medium-sized businesses affected by the outbreak. Additionally, the legislation will fund food assistance and Medicaid programs, as well as unemployment benefits.
I'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Has the run on ammo started yet?  :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.

I saw a site that might have Wolf 5.45x39 SP ammo still in stock.  I might need to try to order it.  I would like to get some 7.62 as well.  I have to think about how much I want to spend. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 13, 2020, 11:08:39 AM
I'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.
Never let a crisis go to waste. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 11:19:45 AM
I saw a site that might have Wolf 5.45x39 SP ammo still in stock.  I might need to try to order it.  I would like to get some 7.62 as well.  I have to think about how much I want to spend. 

I haven't been paying attention. Are there ammo shortages starting now too? I'm stocked up on most everything, except I wanted maybe another 1000 rounds of .300 Blackout, and  I might be buying a 9MM shortly. I ain't paying panic prices for ammo though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 13, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
Sitting here at a customer's watching bits copy.  One of the office wimmins talking to the other, repeats rumor that someone at a town about 30 miles from here posted on the book of faces that he tested positive.  He works at one of our customers', where one of our other techs is at frequently, and folks from the ISP side are at not infrequently.

Rumor, right now.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 11:31:13 AM
Pre panic buying has hit my hood.  I went into the store today to grab a few things.  We're not in total lockdown, as I'm not so paranoid that I think I'll catch it at Harris Teeter....
They were almost cleaned out of TP and PT.  Meat section, pasta, water all pretty bare.  Low selection and stock of frozen veggies on the floor.
Every line was 5 people  or more deep, and we had to wait for self checkout.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 11:46:55 AM
I prepared for the Covid-19 experience by eating a whole package of Ghost Pepper hot sticks last night.
If I can survive the agony I'm feeling today, I'll be pretty much bulletproof.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 13, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs

We have achieved :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 13, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
Just hit the Giant down the street from my office.

Unlike the Wegman's this morning at 6:45, Giant had pretty much everything. Lines weren't out of the ordinary. The meat selection was running a bit threadbare, and they were out of the big packs of ground turkey that I like, so no joy there. I'll try the Giant near my house later tonight/tomorrow morning.

They've also not shut down the salad bar, which sort of surprised me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on March 13, 2020, 12:23:56 PM
Our university is going "online only."

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 12:43:01 PM
Well, panic has hit smalltown, USA.

I was at the hardware store this morning and decided to go next door to the grocery store for a virus apocalypse donut. I did a quick walkthrough, and not only was the hand sanitizer still sold out, but now the bleach was too! Half the toilet paper was gone! The beer section was fully stocked, yet there was a beer delivery going on with pallets and pallets of beer. What does this mean?

Of the three other people in the store, two housewife looking ladies were buying panic supplies. One just had the hand basket of various canned goods. The other one had a shopping cart full of canned soup*, beans, and some pasta among other things. Both just had food items as far as I could tell. The third person was a guy loading up on lottery tickets.


*While I have made positive mention of buying canned soup before, it was related to the Hurricane Katrina example, where I was making a point about the demographics who had satellite TV and cell phones, but zero food and water in the house, with the idea that a case of water and a case of soup might set them back $10 out of their $300 cable and phone bills, and get them by for 72 hours. Nothing wrong with soup per se, other than it's pretty low calorie as a meal. I would have been mixing in higher calorie canned goods if I were that lady. In a real SHTF situation, I'd hate to have to function on 300 calories a day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 12:51:39 PM
CNN has a breaking story that Trump doesn't want to catch the beer virus! Time to impeach the bastard! The nerve of him!

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jim-acosta-trump-coronavirus-report
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 13, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs

We have achieved :facepalm:

0:27 Head bob engaged
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 13, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs

We have achieved :facepalm:

 ??? What language was that head bobber speaking? It sure didn't sound like English. I couldn't understand a single word she said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 01:28:04 PM
??? What language was that head bobber speaking? It sure didn't sound like English. I couldn't understand a single word she said.

Modern American school English. She got an A+
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
Enter James Woods
First  :rofl:
Then cold water to the face

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    I love these ridiculous clowns who contend they can do better than President Trump. This booze-and-Botox besotted old bag can’t manage her dentures, much less a pandemic. Between her and Biden, they can barely manage to put a coherent sentence together. pic.twitter.com/Ze2mvKpoRp

    — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 12, 2020

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    What is truly stunning is the fact that the Speaker of the House is third in line of presidential succession. If President Trump and Vice-President Pence were incapacitated, God forbid, Nancy Pelosi would be President of the United States. Something to remember this November btw. https://t.co/FNXVYeNsN1

    — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 13, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/ridiculous-clowns-tfw-james-woods-wrecks-nancy-pelosi-over-the-coronavirus-with-her-own-mush-mouth-and-its-perfect/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
Bag Lady is already a meme  :rofl:

(https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/steal-this-look-spring-2020-fashion-corona-virus-meme.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 01:52:26 PM
I wonder how long until stuff like big screen OLED TVs will sell for a deep discount? While others are worrying about TP, I want to enhance my gaming experience in case I have to quarantine for an extended time...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 13, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...

I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.

But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 13, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...

I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.

But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...

Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 13, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 13, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs


(https://i.imgur.com/qmIqkt4.png)


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Larry Ashcraft on March 13, 2020, 02:37:57 PM
My son said last night there's a possibility he may be quarantined at work. He's a Tech 2 at a major power plant.

The upside:
1. They will have to pay him time and a half for 24 hours a day.
2. They have a fully stocked and equipped kitchen, showers and cots.

The downside:
He'll be away from family for the duration.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 13, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
Quote from: Larry Ashcraft on March 13, 2020, 02:37:57 PM
My son said last night there's a possibility he may be quarantined at work. He's a Tech 2 at a major power plant.

The upside:
1. They will have to pay him time and a half for 24 hours a day.
2. They have a fully stocked and equipped kitchen, showers and cots.

The downside:
He'll be away from family for the duration.

If his family can cope on their own, that sounds like a good deal if it doesn't go on too long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 13, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 13, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...

I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.

But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 13, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
Absolutely 0 guidance at work.  Noting new except extra cleaning and some open doors to flush fresh air into the building.  Nobody is teleworking and non essential persons are still here.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: brimic on March 13, 2020, 01:52:26 PM
I wonder how long until stuff like big screen OLED TVs will sell for a deep discount? While others are worrying about TP, I want to enhance my gaming experience in case I have to quarantine for an extended time...
With everyone stuck at home, they may end up buying more or bigger TV's.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/franklin-armory-selling-toilet-paper-for-386-99-with-free-binary-trigger/

Franklin Armory Selling Toilet Paper for $386.99 (With a FREE Binary Trigger)

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If you’re one of those who’s been caught short and you’re still on the hunt for bathroom tissue, don’t worry, Franklin Armory has you covered. They’re here to help in these difficult times and will be more than happy to send you an emergency supply of “survivalist/MRE grade toilet paper” for the low, low price of only $386.99.

Yes, that’s rather expensive, but the laws of supply and demand aren’t repealed during an emergency.

The good news: they’ll also throw in a free BFSIII AR-C1 binary trigger for your AR-15 rifle (regular price for the trigger only: $429.99).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 13, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e64sPHWnsY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 13, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/franklin-armory-selling-toilet-paper-for-386-99-with-free-binary-trigger/

Franklin Armory Selling Toilet Paper for $386.99 (With a FREE Binary Trigger)


Tempting. Could always sell the trigger  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 13, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e64sPHWnsY


Of course. Thanks. I haven't seen that since it came out. Seems like a good time to rewatch it.  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 13, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
I guess my reference was too indirect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZzxZDtP5w
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 13, 2020, 03:44:13 PM
Denmark has closed their borders against Sweden and Germany. They still allow SOME ferry traffic from Norway. Also, friend who is a tattooer told me that both Denmark and Norway just closed down all hair dressers, barbers, massage studios and tattoo shops for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Quote
   The Mayor of Champaign, Illinois just signed a sweeping executive order giving her the ability to ban the sale of firearms and ammunition because of…Wuhan coronavirus? There are no cases of the virus in town or the surrounding areas. https://t.co/CLOHveHWxU

    — Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) March 13, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/13/mayor-of-champaign-illinois-issued-a-coronavirus-executive-order-involving-guns-and-more-hint-it-doesnt-get-anymore-unconstitutional-than-that/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 03:52:44 PM
More details

Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916

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Here is the list of other items from the declaration/executive order, which also includes the ability to ban the sale of "food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources," in addition to alcohol and gasoline. Additionally, government agents or officials have the ability to seize private property and to cut off the city water supply. The mayor justifies everything "in the interest of public safety and wolf." Bolding is mine.

    After the declaration of an emergency, the Mayor may in the interest of public safety and welfare make any or all of the following orders and provide the following direction:

    (1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.

    (2) Order a general curfew applicable to such geographical areas of the City or to the City as a whole, as the Mayor deems advisable, and applicable during such hours of the day or night as the Mayor deems necessary in the interest of public safety and welfare.

    (3) Order the closing of all retail liquor stores, including taverns and private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor and beer is permitted;

    (4) Order the discontinuance of the sale of alcoholic liquor by any wholesaler or retailer;

    (5) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;

    (6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;

    (7) Order the control, restriction and regulation within the City by rationing, issuing quotas, fixing or freezing prices, allocating the use, sale or distribution of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services or the necessities of life;

    (8) (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;

    (b) In the event any real or personal property is utilized by the City, the City shall be liable to the owner thereof for the reasonable value of the use or for just compensation as the case may be.

    (9) Order restrictions on ingress or egress to parts of the City to limit the occupancy of any premises;

    (10) To make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing;

    (11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.

    (12) Require closing of business establishments.

    (13) Prohibit the sale or distribution within the City of any products which could be employed in a manner which would constitute a danger to public safety.

    (14) Temporarily close any and all streets, alleys, sidewalks, bike paths, public parks or public ways.

    (15) Temporarily suspend or modify, for not more than sixty (60) days, any regulation or ordinance of the City, including, but not limited to, those regarding health, safety, and zoning. This period may be extended upon approval of the City Council.

    (16) Suspend or limit the use of the water resources or other infrastructure.

    (17) Control, restrict, allocate, or regulate the use, sale, production, or distribution of food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources.

    (18) Suspend or limit burning of any items or property with the City limits and up to two (2) miles outside the corporate limits.

    (19) Direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened areas within the City if the mayor deems this action is necessary for the preservation of life, property, or other disaster or emergency mitigation, response or recovery and to prescribe routes, modes of transportation and destination in connection with an evacuation.

    (21) Approve application for local, state, or federal assistance.

    (22) Establish and control routes of transportation, ingress or egress.

    (23) Control ingress and egress from any designated disaster or emergency area or home, building or structures located therein.

    (24) Approve the transfer the direction, personnel, or functions of City departments and agencies for the purpose of performing or facilitating emergency or disaster services.

    (25) Accept services, gifts, grants, loans, equipment, supplies, and/or materials whether from private, nonprofit, or governmental sources.

    (26) Require the continuation, termination, disconnection, or suspension of natural gas, electrical power, water, sewer, communication or other public utilities or infrastructure.

    (27) Close or cancel the use of any municipally owned or operated building or other public facility.

    (28) Declare, issue, enforce, modify and terminate orders for quarantine and isolation of persons or animals posing a threat to the public, not conflicting with the directions of the Health Officer of the community.

    (29) Exercise such powers and functions in light of the exigencies of emergency or disaster including the waiving of compliance with any time consuming procedures and formalities, including notices, as may be prescribed by law.

    (30) Issue any and all such other orders or undertake such other functions and activities as the Mayor reasonably believes is required to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons or property within the City or otherwise preserve the public peace or abate, clean up, or mitigate the effects of any emergency or disaster.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 13, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: fistful on March 13, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 04:09:43 PM
Couldn't tell you if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Not sure what different it would have made anyway.

Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-knew-about-coronavirus-earlier-patient-zero
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 13, 2020, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: fistful on March 13, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.

Fistful's one weird trick.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 04:19:24 PM
"experts"

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    Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.

    This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.

    — Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020

And he keeps going from there

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/straight-up-bs-obamas-former-head-of-the-aca-called-out-for-doing-his-best-to-terrify-the-masses-in-coronavirus-thread/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 13, 2020, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.

TV miniseries based on a book...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw



And *expletive deleted*it! It looks like they're remaking it into a much larger, 10 part series due out later this year...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 03:52:44 PM
More details

Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916


Mayors can do Executive Orders? Or is it "Executive Orders"? That list sounds closer to what one might read in a fictional SHTF novel, except it would be martial law via a real Dystopian government, and not a dumbass city Mayor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 13, 2020, 04:23:00 PM
TV miniseries based on a book...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw



And *expletive deleted*it! It looks like they're remaking it into a much larger, 10 part series due out later this year...

Wow, some truly awful acting there
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
Mayors can do Executive Orders? Or is it "Executive Orders"? That list sounds closer to what one might read in a fictional SHTF novel, except it would be martial law via a real Dystopian government, and not a dumbass city Mayor.

What ever they want to call it I fear we're going to see more of this. I would bet good money our mayor is having tingles down his leg just thinking about it.
Meanwhile cue the gun and ammo buying panic, already had seen articles suggesting one had somewhat started before this and now here comes the stampede.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
Duke Energy won't disconnect customers' power for nonpayment during COVID-19 outbreak
https://www.wdrb.com/news/duke-energy-won-t-disconnect-customers-power-for-nonpayment-during/article_25062856-6569-11ea-a4b8-b731e79e6838.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 13, 2020, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 13, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...

I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.

But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 13, 2020, 05:50:02 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Earth_Abides_1949_small.jpg)

Great book.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 13, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 13, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 13, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
Now all schools in the state of Washington are closed until April 24.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 04:09:43 PM
Couldn't tell you if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Not sure what different it would have made anyway.

Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-knew-about-coronavirus-earlier-patient-zero

The autists on the chans figured out months ago that the first infection had to be around the beginning of November.. long before the chinese government came clean with that fact.

Despite reports of Wuhan City only have a few thousand deaths, they were very likely decimated and won't recover for years. This is because of 2 solid months of inaction.

Its likely the government knew about it, and decided for inaction because they either didn't want to believe what was happening or they were trying to sweep it under a rug until it finally blew up on them.





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 05:58:31 PM
I got an email and phone call this afternoon from the school district.
All schools in the north shore area of Milwaukee and all of Ozaukee county schools will be closed for a month, with the posibility of extensions, starting monday.

This warms my heart. Ozaukee County Emergency government is absolutely top notch. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 13, 2020, 06:20:07 PM
And what are working parents to do with the kids? Send them to the grandparents house?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 13, 2020, 07:02:30 PM
TP the new .22

My friend went for a grocery store run yesterday. He is known there from dealing with them before he retired. He had three employees come up to him and say make sure you get some TP.

I went to the little Walmart about 25 miles away to grab some whiskey. It shares the TP and paper towel isle. TP was gone as well as the wet wipes. I could have put the paper towels left in my backseat. They did have two half gallons of whiskey so I'm good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
Well, Idaho has it's first reported case. 50ish woman from the Boise area who caught it at a conference in NYC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 13, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
Well, Idaho has it's first reported case. 50ish woman from the Boise area who caught it at a conference in NYC.

That's too bad, you guys were in the March illness Final two only to get beat by West Virginia.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Larry Ashcraft on March 13, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 13, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
If his family can cope on their own, that sounds like a good deal if it doesn't go on too long.
No problem with that.  We live with his family (wife and three teenagers).  We have at least a half a beef, some elk, and salmon in the freezers, and the canning room is getting thin, but still pretty well stocked.

Makes me glad my parents lived through the depression. Not glad for them, but for what they taught me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 13, 2020, 08:25:02 PM
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    (Cool (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;

Wow.  Somebody finally figured out a way to violate the 3rd Amendment!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 13, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Local piggly wiggly was jammed packed after work. There were 2 open parking spots. I’ve never seen anything like it. I saw a middle aged woman pushing a cart to her car with 3 decent sized packs of TP on the bottom.

I just shook my head, and drove on to Kwik Trip to get a pizza for dinner.

It now feels like I’m watching a movie. I knew all this would come to pass plus much more, but it’s weird watching it all unfold.

Gov Evers just declared all schools closed statewide starting next Wednesday. Good one on him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 13, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
I guess the folks around here weren't as prepped as I thought.  Local Walmart looked like Black Friday - no parking, elbow to elbow inside.  Product being taking off the pallets and carts before it could be put on the shelves.

Ammo sales were "brisk".  Lot's of .22, more .30-30 than I would have thought, .30-06 were the big sellers, along with 12ga.  Most people buying ammo didn't seem to really know what they wanted - "Got 7 1/2 & 8 shot, which one you want?" "Uhhh, what do you think I should get?".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
I went to the supermarket this afternoon. The parking lot looked about normal for a Friday afternoon ... but that's probably because there's nothing left to buy! There was ZERO toilet paper, very little in the way of paper towels, almost no facial tissues, and all antibacterial-related cleaning supplies  had been wiped out. Also, no bottled water.

I was there to do a mostly normal weekly restock. Once I saw that we're in doomsday mode, I bought a bit more than I would usually have bought, but not a lot. I should be good for a couple or three weeks with no resupply at all. Dunno what happens after that. (I guess if I have to go to the market after a couple of weeks, I'll wear trash bags and be a fashion icon.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 13, 2020, 10:07:42 PM
Kuwait airport is closing indefinitely.  All commercial flights banned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 14, 2020, 12:17:49 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 13, 2020, 10:07:42 PM
Kuwait airport is closing indefinitely.  All commercial flights banned.

They started that a couple days ago.  I squeaked in on Teus before they shut down for everyone but Kuwaiti citizens, they gave them a couple days to get in or out, then went full lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 14, 2020, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 13, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.

Read the book.  It's much better, and you have the time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:13:21 AM
I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened.  My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.

This ride isn't anywhere close to over.

Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 14, 2020, 08:24:14 AM
Yeah, you're a regular Nostrafuckingdamus....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:13:21 AM
I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened.  My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.

This ride isn't anywhere close to over.

Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.

We probably already had 6 figure infections a week ago.

There is very little information out there regarding the demographics of those who've succombed and died.

From bits and pieces scattered about it seems to hit Asians, those over 60, those with underlying health issues and smokers particularly hard.

You're right though, we needed to panic earlier, before anything was in place 😄



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 14, 2020, 08:31:17 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on March 14, 2020, 01:32:31 AM
Read the book.  It's much better, and you have the time.

Read the book as King originally intended it.

When it was first published, his editors looked at it, said "You're a new author, and this book is going to be hugely expensive because it's so long. Cut 500 pages."

He did, and the story suffered, but it was still a huge hit.

Some years later he went back to his publisher and said "I want to publish the Stand was it was intended." And his publisher balked again, but by this time King was a massive cash cow for Doubleday and they relented, which is good, because the uncut version became a best seller again.


The miniseries was... a miniseries. Sort of like the original It miniseries. Good cast, but WAY WAY WAY too much subject material to be cogently plugged into such a short period of time allocated by the producers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 08:35:00 AM
Man, this beer virus bill passed by a vast majority of congress is like 25% response related and 75% free stuff. I can't wait till a flu strain comes out that gets me free stuff, but once again, my demographic just gets to pay for the free stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 14, 2020, 08:26:14 AM
We probably already had 6 figure infections a week ago.

There is very little information out there regarding the demographics of those who've succombed and died.

From bits and pieces scattered about it seems to hit Asians, those over 60, those with underlying health issues and smokers particularly hard.

You're right though, we needed to panic earlier, before anything was in place 😄





I mean confirmed infections.  I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone.  It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.  I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.

Italy is the country that scares me the most with this.  First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean *expletive deleted*ck. They've hit almost 1300 fatalities in just a few weeks with only 17,000 confirmed cases.  Approx 15% of those cases are in some kind of hospital care.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 14, 2020, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:57:18 AM


Italy is the country that scares me the most with this.  First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-w
ar-as-death-toll-soars/
  

Mostly first world health care. Italy has one of the lowest Nurse to Doctor ratios in the EU and if you don't think that leads to a higher mortality then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/state/docs/chp_it_english.pdf

Also I believe another factor in the Italian thing is the amount of Chinese tourists they get every year. In 2016, the only year I looked at Italy had nearly 3.5 million Chinese tourists land on their shores. I would imagine that is even higher in 2019/2020. With Italy not screening, much less stopping the influx of Chinese, that did not help prevent the spread of the virus.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
I mean confirmed infections.  I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone.  It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.  I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.

Italy is the country that scares me the most with this.  First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean *expletive deleted*ck. They've hit almost 1300 fatalities in just a few weeks with only 17,000 confirmed cases.  Approx 15% of those cases are in some kind of hospital care.    

Apparently they have a very high immigrant population from China that they imported to do the jobs Italians wouldn't do in the garment industry.

They are also very active travellers going home to China to visit and then returning frequently.

That would explain the exponential growth in cases there.

It looks like our governments plan has been what is  called "flattening the curve".

Basically acknowledging it's here, it's spreading so let's slow it down enough to manage the sickest without crashing our health care system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 14, 2020, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
I mean confirmed infections.  I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone.  It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.
The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 14, 2020, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: Cliffh on March 13, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
I guess the folks around here weren't as prepped as I thought.  Local Walmart looked like Black Friday - no parking, elbow to elbow inside.  Product being taking off the pallets and carts before it could be put on the shelves.

Into the local Walmart last night.  Toilet paper was gone gone gone.  Other stuff was mostly in stock.  No one seemed panicked.

Quote
Ammo sales were "brisk".  Lot's of .22, more .30-30 than I would have thought, .30-06 were the big sellers, along with 12ga.  Most people buying ammo didn't seem to really know what they wanted - "Got 7 1/2 & 8 shot, which one you want?" "Uhhh, what do you think I should get?".

One thing I noticed -- The local WM, post them pulling ammo at the behest/badgering of the Demandy Moms, still has plenty of .308/7.62x51.  So, one can still feed their mid-century freedom rifles (FALs and what not) from Walmart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 14, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 14, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
I’m working on a recipe for home made toilet paper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on March 14, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA

That is definitely a factor, not sure about spreading faster but it definitely hits harder.  From what I recall USA has about  15% smokers and Italy was closer to 25%
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on March 14, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA

It's a comorbidity factor for sure, but one of the recent Chinese studies put high blood pressure above smoking. 
The known factors are that any underlying health issues, along with age, increase your chances of requiring hospitalization or being a fatality.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 14, 2020, 10:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 14, 2020, 08:31:17 AM
Read the book as King originally intended it.

When it was first published, his editors looked at it, said "You're a new author, and this book is going to be hugely expensive because it's so long. Cut 500 pages."

He did, and the story suffered, but it was still a huge hit.

Some years later he went back to his publisher and said "I want to publish the Stand was it was intended." And his publisher balked again, but by this time King was a massive cash cow for Doubleday and they relented, which is good, because the uncut version became a best seller again.


The miniseries was... a miniseries. Sort of like the original It miniseries. Good cast, but WAY WAY WAY too much subject material to be cogently plugged into such a short period of time allocated by the producers.

Picked up the Stand miniseries out of Walmart's cheapo bin last night.  A little amusement if we get holed hp here.  From what Wikipedia tells me, depending on what release you get, some of them have a lot more material.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 14, 2020, 09:45:23 AM
The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.

I said if it's allowed to just run wild.  Tamping down on letting it run is how this becomes background noise instead of an outbreak.

The Spanish flu died out because in some places it ran it's course.  2.5% mortality rate led to tens of millions of deaths world wide.
Read up on it for an understanding of what could happen.  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
China shuttered their entire country for 2 months to stop COVID19 from running wild.
I'm not sure why some people don't get the logic in this process?  Do we let something with the same mortality rate as the spanish flu just run wild through the 7.7 billion people of the world?  That would be fun.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 14, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:13:21 AM
I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened.  My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.

This ride isn't anywhere close to over.

Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.

I know how you feel. No one would listen. Most are still in denial. Local talk show was still talking about this as a ploy to hurt Trump, and they want their sportsball back last night.
It’s going to get a lot worse, and I don’t like being right about it.
I made a shitton of money in the last few weeks, I wonder if that is even going to matter. I don’t feel good about being right about that either.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 10:12:48 AM
Corona virus outbreaks generally burn out.

The unknown here is when this one will peter out.

Then, will it reappear next fall?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 14, 2020, 10:12:48 AM
Corona virus outbreaks generally burn out.

The unknown here is when this one will peter out.

Then, will it reappear next fall?



I think the hope is that it will mutate like the Spanish flu did.  I can't imagine it won't crop back up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 14, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...

Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
Tamping down on letting it run is how this becomes background noise instead of an outbreak.

The best part is that if we take the proper measures and it works, everyone will just say that it was no big deal and we didn't need to do all that.
 :facepalm: :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 14, 2020, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
I'm not sure why some people don't get the logic in this process?
At root your logic is bad.  Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.

Only one of the following statements can be true.   Not both of them:
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 08:57:18 AM
I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone.  It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.  I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 10:05:09 AM
Do we let something with the same mortality rate as the spanish flu just run wild through the 7.7 billion people of the world?  That would be fun.

If the undetected infection rate is much higher than the detected (and I agree that it almost certainly is) then the mortality rate is not the same as the Spanish Flu.  If the mortality rate is the same as the Spanish Flu (and I don't think it is) then there are almost certainly not hordes of walking wounded out there for whom the impact is minimal.

The two points are mutually exclusive but you bounce them off of each other to get to alarmist numbers.  That doesn't mean we should do nothing, or let this run unchecked, or pretend Trump's handling is absolutely perfect, or consider this to be no worse than the common cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: T.O.M. on March 14, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 14, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...

Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!

You know, part of that is the complete unknown about this virus.  One article I read says it's like a respiratory illness that puts you on the couch for a while, you hydrate a d take care.  Absent other health issues, you get better.  Two articles later and I'm reading how this hits like a sledge hammer, the sick have no energy, and most will struggle to breathe, requiring oxygen therapy or mechanical respirators.   Which one is internet crap, and which one is true, I have no idea.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:01:29 AM
Meanwhile

*Sigh*

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/033/089/cap.png)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 11:06:47 AM
If the tp situation doesn't get resolved we'll run out in my house in about two weeks.

My workaround is perfectly acceptable to me. The lady in the house is already reaching out to friends just in case, lol. She's never even pee'd in the woods so being without tp would be traumatic.

Hey brother, can you spare a square? 😄
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: T.O.M. on March 14, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
You know, part of that is the complete unknown about this virus.  One article I read says it's like a respiratory illness that puts you on the couch for a while, you hydrate a d take care.  Absent other health issues, you get better.  Two articles later and I'm reading how this hits like a sledge hammer, the sick have no energy, and most will struggle to breathe, requiring oxygen therapy or mechanical respirators.   Which one is internet crap, and which one is true, I have no idea.

I've been looking at the actual death vs recovered numbers on closed cases, and I don't like where this is going:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

That said, they are not testing everyone, but South Korea is doin g a LOT more testing, and CFR is about 10%:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days. We are 10 days behind Italy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:10:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:01:29 AM
Meanwhile

*Sigh*

[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/033/089/cap.png

I'm starting to get irritated now, because there's perishable stuff I like to eat daily (fresh fruit for example), and now  I have to either circle a parking lot for an hour to find a spot, then fight the crowds of toilet paper morons, then stand in the register line for 30 minutes, or go without.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 14, 2020, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
The best part is that if we take the proper measures and it works, everyone will just say that it was no big deal and we didn't need to do all that.
 :facepalm: :mad:

Proving negatives is tough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
Just went to ebay and typed in toilet paper

I hate some people.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 11:07:16 AM

This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days.

Cases are doubling? Or testing, reporting, and people going in for tests are increasing? I'm kinda thinking as testing becomes widely available, and the MSM continues their doomsday marathon, a lot more people who might have thought they had cold symptoms are going to get tested. That's more like 2X more test subjects than actual infection rate increase. We don't have any valid, controlled baselines to project numbers off of.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Plumbers are going to be busy due to certain kinds of paper towels, baby wipes etc.. getting flushed down the toilet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 14, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
I *expletive deleted*ing hate people who are buying all the TP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 14, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
I'm figuring that the panic buying will calm down in about a week or so as the "temporary normal" cuts in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
I've been looking at the actual death vs recovered numbers on closed cases, and I don't like where this is going:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

That said, they are not testing everyone, but South Korea is doin g a LOT more testing, and CFR is about 10%:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days. We are 10 days behind Italy.

Quote
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

It might go down like it did in Italy or it might not.

The numbers are only one part of the equation.

How many deaths in Italy are under 80 and how many of those are of Han Chinese descent? How many were smokers, how many patient zero's did they have?  There are a lot of variables. Statistics are only as good as the inputs.
 

Unfortunately most people are unable to look past the one bit of information and contextualize it to draw a more accurate conclusion.

Personally, I'm in favor of drastic measures in the face of a potentially deadly outbreak if it really is a deadly outbreak, but the fear mongering and doom and gloomers aren't helpful.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
Cases are doubling? Or testing, reporting, and people going in for tests are increasing?
Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while.  =(

Quote from: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/14/815039722/trump-steps-in-to-help-oil-industry-facing-its-own-coronavirus-crisis
President Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.

"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.
This is smart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 11:40:43 AM
Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while.

I agree with you.

Nothing wrong with an abundance of caution in the face of uncertainty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 11:40:43 AM

Quote from: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/14/815039722/trump-steps-in-to-help-oil-industry-facing-its-own-coronavirus-crisis
Quote
President Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.

"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.

This is smart.

Cue the dem knee jerk outrage that Trump is only doing it for his rich oil industry friends
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
This is smart.


Cue the dem knee jerk outrage that Trump is only doing it for his rich oil industry friends

Yup. Of course if he was helping his rich oil buddies, he'd be topping off the reserves when oil was $75/barrel instead of the cheapest it's been in a long time. But let's not stop the TDS.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Yup. Of course if he was helping his rich oil buddies, he'd be topping off the reserves when oil was $75/barrel instead of the cheapest it's been in a long time. But let's not stop the TDS.

Feelz > facts
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 14, 2020, 10:52:50 AM
At root your logic is bad.  Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.


I guess we'll see.  Well, I'm really hoping we don't see, and it burns out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 14, 2020, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 14, 2020, 11:23:40 AM
It might go down like it did in Italy or it might not.

The numbers are only one part of the equation.

How many deaths in Italy are under 80 and how many of those are of Han Chinese descent? How many were smokers, how many patient zero's did they have?  There are a lot of variables. Statistics are only as good as the inputs.
 

Unfortunately most people are unable to look past the one bit of information and contextualize it to draw a more accurate conclusion.

Personally, I'm in favor of drastic measures in the face of a potentially deadly outbreak if it really is a deadly outbreak, but the fear mongering and doom and gloomers aren't helpful.



I think we'll shake out somewhere between Italy and South Korea in the end.  One of the biggest factors in the US will absolutely be access to critical care.  Slowing the spread means better access to critical care means better outcomes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 14, 2020, 02:13:35 PM
This article nicely describes the eventual outcome of the CV panic. (https://issuesinsights.com/2020/03/10/the-media-induced-coronavirus-panic-is-worse-than-the-disease/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 02:23:00 PM
The MSM thinks they're immune from responsibility for their actions. Question it and they'll do everything they can to smear you into oblivion    
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 14, 2020, 02:43:40 PM
This is what we are worried about: ventilators and the staff to run them:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 14, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
If you are involved in running a hospital today, you would want to read this:

http://www.wsha.org/wp-content/uploads/2020-3-12-EvergreenHealth-WSHA_COVID19_TO-SHARE.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2020, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2020, 11:10:46 AM
I'm starting to get irritated now, because there's perishable stuff I like to eat daily (fresh fruit for example), and now  I have to either circle a parking lot for an hour to find a spot, then fight the crowds of toilet paper morons, then stand in the register line for 30 minutes, or go without.

That won't last long. In another 48 hours there won't be any toilet paper to be found in any retail channel in the United States, and most households will have enough to last for fifteen years at normal rates of consumption, so the supermarket parking lots will be basically empty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 14, 2020, 02:43:40 PM
This is what we are worried about: ventilators and the staff to run them:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators

Would CPAP machines be helpful for cases with borderline or marginal need for ventilation?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 14, 2020, 04:19:51 PM
"He has 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer and nowhere to sell them":

https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/He-Has-17-700-Bottles-of-Hand-Sanitizer-and-15131584.php

Boo.

Hoo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
The monkeypocalypse has arrived:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 14, 2020, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 14, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...

Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!

Take a look at Italy’s numbers... they are pretty bleak.

There were reports coming out of China that they were burning 1200 bodies/day in Wuhan City alone, and they were way short on incinerator capacity.

Do the *expletive deleted*ing math.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: brimic on March 14, 2020, 05:30:19 PM
Take a look at Italy’s numbers... they are pretty bleak.

There were reports coming out of China that they were burning 1200 bodies/day in Wuhan City alone, and they were way short on incinerator capacity.

Do the *expletive deleted*ing math.
I have heard that outside of the Wuhan province, the actual deaths in the rest of China has been pretty low.  How much of that is China being a crap hole and how much is the actual disease.  I think right now the hysteria being drummed up is worse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
The monkeypocalypse has arrived:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY
I think down here there would be a lot of dead monkeys in the road that got run over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Milo Yiannopoulos was interviewed by Alex Jones.  They talk a little about the virus in the video, but mostly about the Roger Stone trial.  Entertaining at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHX9pVYS7Ak

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 14, 2020, 06:25:10 PM
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/03/14/dod-bans-all-domestic-travel-for-troops-employees-in-response-to-coronavirus-threat/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
Just in case people weren't panicked enough the media continues to drum up numbers

The Hill reports on the worst-case coronavirus models which estimate 1.7 million US deaths
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/the-hill-reports-on-the-worst-case-coronavirus-models-which-estimate-1-7-million-us-deaths/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Have any of you noticed ammo in short supply?  I see signs it is being bought, but not in short supply.  SGAmmo has a notice at the top of the page that orders may not be shipped for 5 to 10 days.  PSA's bulk ammo prices seem to be creeping up and their CCI 1000 rounds of 9mm bulk box is out of stock.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 14, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
Well, the dumbness has hit the commissary @ Fairchild AFB. No TP, pasta shelves essentially empty, meat gone except for stuff people don't know how to cook (tri-tip, flank steak, lamb), most of the chicken gone, no pork at all. But there was corned beef, lots of fruits and veggies and most everything else. I talked to one of the cashiers that is a family friend, he said most of it was bought yesterday by the newly allowed shoppers (Purple Heart recipients, former prisoners of war and all service-connected disabled veterans, regardless of rating, as well as caregivers enrolled in the VA's Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers program, ) who are still possibly liking the new benefit. I will send the wife out Wed or Thu to pick up some pork, which is all we really needed that we didn't get. There was a guy buying about 8 cases of MREs, I have a feeling he is going into the resale business, just a hunch.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2020, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 14, 2020, 04:19:51 PM
"He has 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer and nowhere to sell them":

https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/He-Has-17-700-Bottles-of-Hand-Sanitizer-and-15131584.php

Boo.

Hoo.


Hmmm ...

Quote
Colvin does not believe he was price gouging. While he charged $20 on Amazon for two bottles of Purell that retail for $1 each, he said people forget that his price includes his labor, Amazon’s fees and about $10 in shipping. (Alcohol-based sanitizer is pricey to ship because officials consider it a hazardous material.)

Current price-gouging laws “are not built for today’s day and age,” Colvin said. “They’re built for Billy Bob’s gas station doubling the amount he charges for gas during a hurricane.”

He added, “Just because it cost me $2 in the store doesn’t mean it’s not going to cost me $16 to get it to your door.”

But what about the morality of hoarding products that can prevent the spread of the virus, just to turn a profit?

Colvin said he was simply fixing “inefficiencies in the marketplace.” Some areas of the country need these products more than others, and he’s helping send the supply toward the demand.

“There’s a crushing overwhelming demand in certain cities right now,” he said. “The Dollar General in the middle of nowhere outside of Lexington, Kentucky, doesn’t have that.”

He thought about it more.

“I honestly feel like it’s a public service,” he added. “I’m being paid for my public service.”

That's one of the most mealy-mouthed excuses I've ever heard for being a &^#^%$ing profiteer. May he drown in a flood of hand sanitizer, and then rot in Hell.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 14, 2020, 08:34:48 PM
Newt Gingrich is in Italy
Quote from: https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270
All schools are closed in all of Italy.
All churches are closed (including St. Peter's Basilica).
All weddings and funerals are postponed.
All restaurants are closed.
In fact, all stores except grocery stores and pharmacies are closed.
People are urged to work from home unless they work in special designated factories
The streets are almost empty.

These steps are not an overreaction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Mexico reportedly considering closing its border to keep out Americans with coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/xenophobic-mexico-reportedly-considering-closing-its-border-to-keep-out-americans-with-coronavirus/


Maybe they could build a wall or something.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Mexico reportedly considering closing its border to keep out Americans with coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/xenophobic-mexico-reportedly-considering-closing-its-border-to-keep-out-americans-with-coronavirus/


Maybe they could build a wall or something.   =D

That would be racist
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 14, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Maybe they could build a wall or something.   =D

Mexico will pay for the wall!!! Another Trump promise kept.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2020, 10:30:46 PM
I was checking the commie pinko excuse for a newspaper from Santa Barbara today, and they reported that at my old Costco, the line to get in when they opened, counted by Costco employees, was ~1000 people.

My hunting buddy here stopped by this afternoon and said he tried to get to the Albertsons by his house but there were no free parking spaces and he got tired of circling the lot. He ended up stopping at my town's store on his way home and called to tell me they were still pretty stocked up and not a lot of shoppers.

This all makes me glad I was prepared, and I would sure like to rub it in the faces of some old coworkers who made fun of me years ago for it, and that are probably crying today that there's no TP at the Trader Joes.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 14, 2020, 11:00:09 PM
Yesterday, the local Walmart looked like an early Black Friday, elbow to elbow and ahole to belly button.  Today, not so much.  More like a normal first of the month Saturday.

Of course, after yesterday there wasn't much left on the shelves.  Paper products aisle was empty, completely.  Canned goods, about 40% of normal stock.  Meat dept looked OK.

The "just in time" stocking doesn't work when something like this comes down.  It might look good on paper, and might help the bottom line, it isn't good when the chips are down.

The grocery store nearby was still stocked well in all departments.  They did have postings limiting the amount of certain products, (water, paper goods, sanitizers, etc.), but they aren't hurting for product like Walmart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: grampster on March 14, 2020, 11:26:27 PM
Who would have thought that civilization would collapse this way.   [popcorn]
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Post by: Viking on March 15, 2020, 02:07:10 AM
Quote from: grampster on March 14, 2020, 11:26:27 PM
Who would have thought that civilization would collapse this way.   [popcorn]
"And so the Age of Men ended, not with a bang, but with a whimper, and the cleanest buttholes in all of history"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 15, 2020, 05:15:11 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
Would CPAP machines be helpful for cases with borderline or marginal need for ventilation?

I'm wondering/hoping about this also.  I've got the instructions on how to adjust the air flow for mine, if need be it can be adjusted up to "hurricane".
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Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 06:17:14 AM
Not to be outdone by other leftist leaders sowing FUD, NC governor Roy Cooper has closed public schools and banned public gatherings of more than 100 people for two weeks starting Monday, 2/16/20.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 06:26:47 AM
I have a favor to ask the hive.  If I die from COVID-19, please don't let me vote Democrat in November.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 06:26:47 AM
I have a favor to ask the hive.  If I die from COVID-19, please don't let me vote Democrat in November.


I am SO stealing that for my Facebook page!  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 06:50:28 AM
Talked with a neighbor of mine yesterday who does early Saturday morning shopping trips.

He said that Wegman's was pretty cleaned out, but Walmart was in pretty good shape. Something were out, but they had lots of meat. My guess is that they got an overnight delivery.

I'm going to swing into the Walmart near my office on my way to work tomorrow morning.

I'm thinking that the worst of the panic monkey buying should start to slow down in a couple of days and it will be easier to get stuff.
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Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 07:01:56 AM
"I think right now the hysteria being drummed up is worse."

Yep. There's your math.

But, just in case, I did do some shopping yesterday for more dog food for Seren.

Picked up a bunch of cans and another bag of kibble. Should be good for quite awhile there.

And, if the spit really hits the spam (MONKEY MATH PANIC OVERLOAD!!!!), well the Turkey and Bacon flavor actually smells pretty good...  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 15, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
Stores are starting to restock and will continue to. 
I found this article entertaining, especially on the mentality that led to hoarding *expletive deleted*it paper
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/health/toilet-paper-shortages-novel-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
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Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 15, 2020, 06:50:28 AM
I'm thinking that the worst of the panic monkey buying should start to slow down in a couple of days and it will be easier to get stuff.

I suspect this is still going to vary wildly. Here for instance, two weeks ago, Costco was not that bad - no more than the holiday rush, other than running out of TP and water. There were still plenty of parking spaces, etc. I haven't been there since then, but we only just had our first reported case of the virus, quickly followed by three more. Those four cases somehow made things finally go batshit here to where there's no parking at the Costco or many other stores.

As new "panic news" develops state by state, and city by city, I think we'll still see increased panic behavior. I would suspect at some point, states like CA will finally get panic weary, even though they may have dense population centers where caution would still be indicated, and panic buying will lessen. At some point soon, every *expletive deleted*ing person in the US is going to have a case of toilet paper and that buying spree is going to moderate.

Which - tangent - has me totally pissed off. I put all my eggs in one basket and bet that a TP supply is what would make me a wealthy apocalypse warlord. Now the entire SHTF monetary structure has crashed via supply and demand, and toilet paper is about as worthless as a trade good as toilet paper. I need to come up with a new source for TEOTWAWKI wealth.  :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 09:05:32 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 13, 2020, 03:52:44 PM
More details

Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916


It appears the city is backpedaling like mad:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/champaign-clarifies-firearms-coronavirus-emergency
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Post by: Jamisjockey on March 15, 2020, 09:20:18 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 08:44:24 AM
I suspect this is still going to vary wildly. Here for instance, two weeks ago, Costco was not that bad - no more than the holiday rush, other than running out of TP and water. There were still plenty of parking spaces, etc. I haven't been there since then, but we only just had our first reported case of the virus, quickly followed by three more. Those four cases somehow made things finally go batshit here to where there's no parking at the Costco or many other stores.

As new "panic news" develops state by state, and city by city, I think we'll still see increased panic behavior. I would suspect at some point, states like CA will finally get panic weary, even though they may have dense population centers where caution would still be indicated, and panic buying will lessen. At some point soon, every *expletive deleted*ing person in the US is going to have a case of toilet paper and that buying spree is going to moderate.

Which - tangent - has me totally pissed off. I put all my eggs in one basket and bet that a TP supply is what would make me a wealthy apocalypse warlord. Now the entire SHTF monetary structure has crashed via supply and demand, and toilet paper is about as worthless as a trade good as toilet paper. I need to come up with a new source for TEOTWAWKI wealth.  :mad:

Living in or close to cities will likely be worst.  They'll see the most draconian type restrictions on movement and shopping.  They don't travel as far to shop, and have food deserts in them as well.
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Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Trump tested negative for C19

The media

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LightheartedUnevenGypsymoth-small.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 15, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Trump tested negative for C19

The media

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LightheartedUnevenGypsymoth-small.gif)

Seriously.  There was a "how can we believe him?" post about it in r/politics at reddit, and it was trending. :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Trump tested negative for C19

The media

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a

Yup. First they were screaming that he didn't take the test (i.e., following "the rules" that you don't get tested unless you have symptoms), now they're screaming that he took the test.

The left and MSM (but I repeat myself) are really attacking the Surgeon General as well, including his credentials. I mean, can you imagine the "racism" cries if he was a dem president's SG?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 10:36:47 AM
Nike closing it's stores in the US and Europe but keeping stores in S.K., Japan, China open.  ???

De Blasio says no to closing NYC schools
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 15, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
I heard it suggested that since testing was being expanded that we would soon see a spike in the total numbers of people with the virus even if not a spike in deaths.  Do you think that will cause a round two of panic or will people be a little punch drunk from the first one?


I met a guy for a trade yesterday.  I guess he doesn't watch the news and he was shocked that people were buying up stuff.  I was just thinking that we have talking about this stuff for a month or more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 15, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 10:36:47 AM
Nike closing it's stores in the US and Europe but keeping stores in S.K., Japan, China open.  ???

De Blasio says no to closing NYC schools
Read somewhere that the teachers are planning on staying home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 15, 2020, 11:15:58 AM
Also, Austria just banned all public gatherings of more than 5 people. Not 500. Not 50. FIVE.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-austria-update-symptoms-gatherings-ban-latest-a9402866.html

Also, Norway is set to close all airports and harbors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 15, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
The problem here is now that the panic buyers have swept through when the stores do get restocked the normal buyers (including me) are going to feel a lot of pressure to buy more than normal in case we can’t get it later. It’s hard to resist that mentality and I’m a lot smarter than the average consumer.

We barely got TP yesterday. One good sized pack. Soap and cleaners were also hard hit. Groceries  for us weren’t a problem because we were buying fresh meat and vegetables. Ramen and stuff like that was hard hit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 11:35:47 AM
We should be doing this isolation stuff in the US every year from DEC-MAR and saving 30,000-40,000 lives. Plus no having to interact with people. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
So my dentist's office is still open for business. I just got the "confirm your appointment" text for my semi-annual cleaning on the 25th.

As much as I'm not taking the pandemic as seriously as others, one of the places it does seem kinda dumb to go is the dentist for an elective procedure. I'm actually going to think about postponing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
Went to my usual barber shop. Usually I have to wait, deader than a door nail.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 15, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
Just got a message from a local DR friend from a conference call they were in yesterday. "Looking for Covid-19 to peak late April through June in the US"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 11:47:08 AM
Friday night went out to dinner at my favorite  Mexican restaurant, owner said business was off 70%
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 11:49:55 AM
It's all Fox News and Trump's fault for the panic

Quote
    When this is all over and we properly examine what was done right and what was done wrong I hope we can have an honest national conversation on the toxic effect of Fox News. They are a critical instrument of Trump and his approach to the crisis.

    — Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 15, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/15/have-a-nice-refreshing-glass-of-stfu-juice-cnns-joe-lockhart-blames-fox-news-for-coronavirus-panic-and-talk-about-backfire/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 15, 2020, 01:25:21 PM
Chatted with one of the college kids at church this morning.  He gets an extra week of spring break, then they start doing his classes over the Internet.  I can't imagine how much work has to go on behind the scenes to make that work, every place that going to try to do it.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 09:05:32 AM
It appears the city is backpedaling like mad:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/champaign-clarifies-firearms-coronavirus-emergency

The truly scary part is that the city administration believes it has those powers in the first place.  That's kind of why the 2nd Amendment exists.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 15, 2020, 01:25:21 PM
Chatted with one of the college kids at church this morning.  He gets an extra week of spring break, then they start doing his classes over the Internet.  I can't imagine how much work has to go on behind the scenes to make that work, every place that going to try to do it.



I was talking to someone from my old work last week, and they apparently had almost everyone who's jobs allowed it in DC and all the national satellite offices telecommute one day last week as a  'test day" to see if the VPN could handle all the traffic.
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Post by: Parker Dean on March 15, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 15, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
Stores are starting to restock and will continue to. 

Well yeah, but it's going to take a few minutes.

Went to Wally World on my usual 0100 Sunday trip and the bread, meat, canned vegetable, egg, TP, and paper towel shelves were bare. Heck, they were storing extra pallets of Cream of Mushroom soup and Cinnamon Toast Crunch in the paper towel bays. I guess that means they were clearing space in the back for lots of other stuff to come in, but apparently not paper towels.

Someone on the trucking reddit posted a pic of something like a mile of trucks waiting turn turn left into the P&G plant at Tunkhannock to get TP loads. Anecdotal stories from other drivers suggest other TP plants are similarly overwhelmed.

I drive for one of the big three meatpackers and load assignments had been fairly light compared to prior 1st-quarters. Until Thursday when I was suddenly booked for all next week, which has never happened in 5+ years, and when I got back to the plant there were now so many trailers there was literally had no place to drop the trailer I had and the spotter had to take it somewhere else. Also, instead of my usual industrial and wholesaler customers, all of next week drops are grocery DC's.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
So my dentist's office is still open for business. I just got the "confirm your appointment" text for my semi-annual cleaning on the 25th.

As much as I'm not taking the pandemic as seriously as others, one of the places it does seem kinda dumb to go is the dentist for an elective procedure. I'm actually going to think about postponing.

I have (make that "had") two non-essential appointments at the VA hospital for tomorrow (Monday) Being in the at-risk population due to both age and a heart condition, I was planning to call first thing in the morning to reschedule. The VA hit me with a preemptive strike. They called me today (on a Sunday!) to inform me that both appointments have been cancelled. Dermatology has been rescheduled for August. The dental clinic will call separately to reschedule that appointment.
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Post by: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
I was talking to someone from my old work last week, and they apparently had almost everyone who's jobs allowed it in DC and all the national satellite offices telecommute one day last week as a  'test day" to see if the VPN could handle all the traffic.

And? ...

Did the network buckle under the load?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
And? ...

Did the network buckle under the load?

Don't know. I talked to her the day before and haven't touched base since.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 15, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
The crazy has struck here now. My son went to wally world yesterday and posted pictures of empty TP shelves and cleaned out meat counters.
The wife and I made a trip to the local grocery store this morning. Some things are low on stock but nothing was completely wiped out, not even the TP. They didn't have my usual brand/style but I did pick up a couple of 4 roll packs just because. The store has also instituted a 3 per customer per day limit of any shortage item, TP, cleaning supplies, bottled water...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 15, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
The crazy has struck here now. My son went to wally world yesterday and posted pictures of empty TP shelves and cleaned out meat counters.
The wife and I made a trip to the local grocery store this morning. Some things are low on stock but nothing was completely wiped out, not even the TP. They didn't have my usual brand/style but I did pick up a couple of 4 roll packs just because. The store has also instituted a 3 per customer per day limit of any shortage item, TP, cleaning supplies, bottled water...


I want to buy some more steak, but don't want to deal with Costco. My little store is the smaller of two local stores owned by the same family. I might try to go to their main store in the next town over tomorrow and try some of the meat from their butcher counter there. It seems to be competitively priced, but I'm unsure of quality.

It seems little grocery stores just aren't getting slammed like the big boys are.
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Post by: Ron on March 15, 2020, 03:51:45 PM
Had a few things I needed so I braved the grocery stores.

First one had everything I needed except eggs, busy but fast lines.

Second store same story except no line, walked right to an open register with no customers.


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Post by: TechMan on March 15, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight.  They can remain open for carry out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 15, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
Just saw that.  My sister doesn't cook.  She and her husband make plenty of money and just eat out constantly, so I can't wait to hear the wailing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
NYC just closed public schools.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 05:48:09 PM
Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 15, 2020, 05:48:23 PM
Quote from: adively on March 15, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight.  They can remain open for carry out.

Bars do carry out?  Perfect.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 15, 2020, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 05:48:09 PM
Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action

Never let a crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 15, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
They just closed my daughters school in the middle of nowhere for two days. What difference is two days going to make in the middle of nowhere?
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Post by: DittoHead on March 15, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
Quote from: Andiron on March 15, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
My sister doesn't cook.  She and her husband make plenty of money and just eat out constantly, so I can't wait to hear the wailing.
I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
Early futures markets are not impressed with Fed moves...

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 15, 2020, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 15, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
Early futures markets are not impressed with Fed moves...
And they're pretty much out of ammo?
Wonderful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 07:27:10 PM
As of now I am officially beyond tired of this *expletive deleted*it
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: adively on March 15, 2020, 03:53:55 PM
Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight.  They can remain open for carry out.

More

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/15/states-and-cities-order-restaurants-and-bars-to-close-down-over-concern-of-the-co-n2564984
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 15, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
I'm dead...https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/ (https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/)   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 07:48:22 PM
Okay, that made my day
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 07:50:19 PM
For those without a facebook login

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx2rW78uuw4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 07:27:10 PM
As of now I am officially beyond tired of this *expletive deleted*it

And I am officially beyond tired of the media hype and hysteria that has driven us to this point.  This damn virus is not now, and will not ever, surpass a normal flu season in its impact on the country with regard to total infected and deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2020, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: adively on March 15, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
I'm dead...https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/ (https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/)   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I love the haunting sound of the pipes.  And that little show is hilarious.   :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2020, 09:11:05 PM
I'm going to swing into the grocery across from work tomorrow morning. Hopefully they'll have ground turkey. I have a 3 pound tube of chili grind turkey in the freezer, and a 1 pound regular grind, but I'd prefer not to dig those out unless I have to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 15, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 15, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.

She's a Bernie bro,  and we can't stand each other.  I'm laughing my ass off.  For comparison of the family,  we were raised upper middle class, without any real wants.  She ended up the aggrieved social justice warrior that went Peace Corps and I went to the Marine Corps and family business. 

I hope she *expletive deleted*ing starves,  it will amuse me.  She was raised better than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 15, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 05:48:09 PM
Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action

Student loan interest has been dropped to 0% until further notice too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2020, 09:56:22 PM
 :facepalm:
Coronavirus 'emergency'? Oregon police ask people to stop calling 911 because they ran out of toilet paper
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-police-public-stop-calling-911-toilet-paper
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 15, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
Governor of Iowa has recommended that schools should close for 4 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
Well, that zero interest rate doesn't look to be doing what they want. Dow is already poised to drop like a rock tomorrow because of the announcement.

In other news, my nephew in law just texted me. His family owns a couple of Mexican grocery stores in LA, and they have closed both stores because they completely ran out of food today and they aren't getting restocked by their suppliers. That might just be a problem for mom and pop stores, and the Albertsons and the like will still have their supply chains, but it appears shortages without restock are starting.

Edit: I just texted him to watch his six, and he texted back that he already is because people are now being robbed for groceries when they leave the stores there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 15, 2020, 10:32:35 PM
The problem is the grocery stores and warehouses both depend on JIT practices.  Now that the grocery stores are hard hit and have used extra deliveries from the warehouses are the warehouses also running out??? And what will refill them? There is also only so much truck capacity also
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 10:40:52 PM
Hey,  I wonder if Bidet sales have increased during this panic?  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2020, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on March 15, 2020, 10:32:35 PM
The problem is the grocery stores and warehouses both depend on JIT practices.  Now that the grocery stores are hard hit and have used extra deliveries from the warehouses are the warehouses also running out??? And what will refill them? There is also only so much truck capacity also

True. And this isn't like, for instance, the hurricane season, when a run on supplies in Florida and Louisiana can be made up by reallocating supplies from other parts of the country. This IS the whole country. The whole system is predicated on a fairly normal, predictable rate of sales and replacements. That entire system has been stood on its systemic ear by this thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 15, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
I can tell not living in a hurricane area or similar area I have seen grocery store runs on stuff like milk and bread but never several sections including the entire meats, frozen goods, produce, canned goods etc

This is going to cause a *expletive deleted*it ton of panic and freaking out come this week
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 15, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
The Washington state governor will sign an executive order tomorrow closing all bars and restaurants except for carry out food service, and also bans all gatherings over 50 people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 15, 2020, 11:24:02 PM
I finally gave in and did some minimal prep. Starting point is I have more than 3 months of food on hand already. Unopened costco bale of TP so whew, that was a close one.  ;/ Chickens that lay eggs and eat for free in another few weeks. Walk 300 yards to the river if I need water from a non standard source. So, I wasn't worried. Talked to my ex and she is in civilization proper and cannot find some stuff. I needed to be out of the house today so I drove from my BFE to another, Moorefield, WV. It's really out there. Place is not panicked, but the walmart was hit hard. Not just TP either. Found a couple hand sanitizers that she wanted. I decided by the looks of the store I would do my weekly grocery shopping plus a little, beef up my canned goods and beef in the freezer. Country people that still cook had been there, the flour and sugar aisle was empty, rice nearly gone, beans light, bread looked like a hurricane coming. I think this will get worse before it gets better, not the virus, but the panic. I only spent $140 so no hoarding here. That was yesterday, store finally had the one bathroom cleaner that removes the iron stains from my shower. I had been there like four trips when they didn't so I just tossed the whole shelf in my cart.

Things that weren't touched. In the Franklin, WV Walgreens they had some TP for bungholes, but nobody was buying the Hibiclens, the soap that really can nuke everything from orbit. Still a fair amount of bleach. Local store 1/4 mile from me I bought the old school brown lysol concentrate that also kills everything.

I very much favor slowing the world down and flattening the curve, skipped visiting this weekend just for that. But if people don't sharpen up the traffic accidents to go get all the things we don't need are going to kill more than the kung flu. People are so programmed to a rote day that any disruption makes the traffic just scary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 15, 2020, 11:56:31 PM
I'd forgotten about the half full jug of Hibiclens they sent me home with to prep for my shoulder surgery.  Got a couple gallons of bleach on hand plus about 10# of pool chlorine tablets. Food stores should be adequate for 3-4 weeks but variety may get slim.

On the local front, Oklahoma has posted the 8th confirmed case. the 1st case has now fully recovered.

Our governor has declared a state of emergency for the entire state. Mostly at this point it enables more state/local/fed collaboration. Still haven't had any word on public schools going on extended break after this coming weeks regular spring break but all the state colleges are going to online classes after their spring break.

The stupid has escalated and the area wally worlds are being cleaned out of food stock and TP. My local small town grocery store was low on TP but not sold out. Still had bottled water, bread, milk and fresh meat but some of the frozen meat freezers were empty, plenty of frozen veggies as well as canned stuffed but they were out of spam, they never have more than a dozen or so cans on the shelf anyway though.

At this point I'm more concerned with stupid people freaking out and going all TEOTWAWKI on normal folk. I don't think we'll see much of that in the rural area but as mentioned the inner city types... who knows.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Snowdog on March 16, 2020, 04:02:39 AM
I work in one hospital while my wife works for a competing hospital 25 miles away.  I have a daughter in elementary school (that have now been ordered closed by the governor).  If Covid-19 makes its way here, my family is likely to contract it. 

Fortunately, my family is healthy and we have a good inventory of essential supplies.  I'm not part of the run on toilet paper though... we have kept our supplies in rotation faithfully for the past decade at least.  If we have to self-quarantine, we have enough food, water and other essentials to do so easily for a couple months, not just a couple weeks. 

I think the biggest issue we would have (beside kicking the bug itself if contracted) is running out of things to binge watch on Netflix, Hulu and Amazon.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 16, 2020, 07:16:33 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 15, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
The Washington state governor will sign an executive order tomorrow closing all bars and restaurants except for carry out food service, and also bans all gatherings over 50 people.

Nothing better than putting tens of thousands of people out of work to fix an over-hyped non-crisis.    :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on March 16, 2020, 08:00:01 AM
I didn’t know I was independently wealthy, but looking through a closet the other day I located a whole unopened case of TP I must have shoved in there one day and forgot about.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 16, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
My office is normally humming by 8 a.m.

Right now it's still a freaking ghost town.

I've got a meeting at 11 a.m. to present some documentation, and 4 out of the 5 people who are supposed to attend have young kids and are probably scrambling to find child care coverage.

This is weird times...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 08:47:40 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 16, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2020, 10:40:52 PM
Hey,  I wonder if Bidet sales have increased during this panic?  :laugh:

Woman at a customer's I was at for a while this past week mentioned having put one in.  (Not for the current shortage.)

meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper.  she hadn't bought any.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 16, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 16, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper.  she hadn't bought any.


You're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 16, 2020, 07:16:33 AM
Nothing better than putting tens of thousands of people out of work to fix an over-hyped non-crisis win an election.    :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2020, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 16, 2020, 08:49:20 AM

meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper.  she hadn't bought any.

Well, there's Chinese TP on Amazon for like $80 that will get to you in 4-6 weeks.  =D

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 16, 2020, 09:16:28 AM
I'm going to be on permanent overtime for sure until I drop dead.
https://www.newsweek.com/thermo-fisher-coronavirus-test-kits-provide-results-four-hours-1492370

We started OT a few weeks ago to supply Roche and at least one other test kit maker, now we have our own test kit....

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 16, 2020, 09:22:49 AM
10 days paid vacation for all my companies retail locations.

We're doing our part to flatten the curve.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
I just heard our corporate office is effectively closed.  Everyone is working from home. 

We might try something at my site, but we have minimal staffing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 09:42:33 AM
Some help with ethical questions for those working from home.

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http://fuzz-sezs.blogspot.com/2007/08/dilbert-on-telecommuting.html?_sm_au_=iVVsV5HWL9ZrPr6HLc4CKK304t06W
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Well crap

Beshear orders Ky. bars and restaurants to close dine-in services
https://www.wdrb.com/news/beshear-orders-ky-bars-and-restaurants-to-close-dine-in/article_ef1eb27a-678a-11ea-8ad8-eb7927ad966a.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
I have now read a couple of articles that gun sales in CA are greater than many other parts of the country right now. Can any APS CA members confirm the run on guns there?

I would be interested in what some of these first time buyers, likely liberal, think about buying their one gun per month, and waiting ten days to get it when their whole purpose was buying protection for what is happening right now, not two weeks from now.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-15/coronavirus-pandemic-gun-sales-surge-us-california
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 16, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
I have now read a couple of articles that gun sales in CA are greater than many other parts of the country right now. Can any APS CA members confirm the run on guns there?


A member of a Jeep forum I participate on posted that he heard from a friend in New England (state not identified, but he said they have strict gun laws, so that means CT, MA, or RI) who owns a gun shop and range. The shop owner said guns are flying off the shelves and they can't restock fast enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 16, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
A member of a Jeep forum I participate on posted that he heard from a friend in New England (state not identified, but he said they have strict gun laws, so that means CT, MA, or RI) who owns a gun shop and range. The shop owner said guns are flying off the shelves and they can't restock fast enough.

Matches what I'm reading on a gunrelated BookFace group, from someone in the business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
And here's one reason why

Ohio jail to release hundreds of inmates amid coronavirus concerns: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-releases-hundreds-inmates-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 16, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-spain-death-toll-doubles-in-a-day-as-288-victims-now-confirmed-11957987

iTsJuStThEfLu

Countries don't get locked down for swine flu, ebola, bird flu, etc.... they get locked down for bioweapons.

I expect quarantines, or travel restrictions between municipalities this week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
And here's one reason why

Ohio jail to release hundreds of inmates amid coronavirus concerns: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-releases-hundreds-inmates-coronavirus

Quote
The list included older inmates and those with chronic illness and a history of respiratory issues, which are factors identified by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that make someone more vulnerable to serious complications and death from the coronavirus.
Prisoner safety or avoiding treatment costs?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 16, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
Well my work says keep working and if you can’t work then use PTO and short term disability (60% of normal pay) and just wash your hands and stay away from people
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2020, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Well crap

Beshear orders Ky. bars and restaurants to close dine-in services
https://www.wdrb.com/news/beshear-orders-ky-bars-and-restaurants-to-close-dine-in/article_ef1eb27a-678a-11ea-8ad8-eb7927ad966a.html

Just read an article saying the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut have done the same. Take out only. Bars that don't serve food are closed, period.

Gotta wonder why it took them so long ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
Quote
A former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers during the 2008 financial crisis under President Obama is urging Congress to provide a strong rescue package – including a one-time payment of $1,000 to every American adult and $500 for every child – to help cope with the fallout of the coronavirus, a report said.
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?

Down further he does show a bit of common sense
Quote
“The financial crisis occurred because the underpinning of the economy was bad, they say, but this is a temporary situation and eventually things will go back to normal,” he added.

Ex-Obama adviser says government should give American adults $1G, every child $500
https://www.foxnews.com/us/amid-coronavirus-fight-ex-obama-adviser-says-govt-should-give-every-american-1g
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2020, 12:00:55 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?


Does Bill Gates really need $1,000?

The people who need financial help are the people whose lives and jobs are being disrupted. I do think the government should provide some assistance, but it should be directed to the people who are losing their incomes from this thing. Welfare stay-at-homes will still get their checks; they don't need anything extra. People who can't work because their business has been shut down (like restaurant workers) should be able to collect emergency unemployment compensation to carry them through the emergency.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 16, 2020, 12:16:07 PM
My wife and I don't need a thousand dollars each from the Government. We would just put it in the bank.  If such a program is implemented, we would want it to go to people in actual need.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Was just nosing around on amazon and most prime items show Sat or later for delivery for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Was just nosing around on amazon and most prime items show Sat or later for delivery for me.

I'm seeing the same thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 16, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
Just hit the local Giant. Shocked that the salad bar is still open, but good for me because that's my lunch.

Shelves are better stocks. Still very little meat, but more meat than there was on Friday.

Milk, eggs, and cheese are back.

Some potatoes, but still no onions, damn it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 16, 2020, 12:40:31 PM
On the sgammo.com home page:

Quote
Due to overwhelming order volume over the past week we are not currently accepting new orders. We are currently approximately 10 days behind on filling orders and the priority is going to be given to filling existing orders. We will begin to restore inventory later this week once we have a handle on shipping all orders that have been placed so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 16, 2020, 01:27:05 PM
My short term disability has been extended to 4/13/20. From talking with a co-worker I'm wondering if some small part of that is due to the company trying to get everyone that can work from home to do so. Of course the Dr saying it is necessary is probably the main reason but I'm not going to fight it.
For good or bad my job is hands on and can't be telecommute. Hard to actually physically install a 400G fiber circuit from home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 16, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
French docs say don't take NSAIDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19

There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 16, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 16, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
French docs say don't take NSAIDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19

There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.

I read something about that earlier.... really good to know, because the big jar of ibuprofen is always my first stop when something hurts, and something usually does hurt.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 16, 2020, 02:35:33 PM
Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 16, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 16, 2020, 02:35:33 PM
Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 16, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 16, 2020, 02:35:33 PM
Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.

That could get frustrating for Alaskans, for sure, if they closed Yukon/BC to Alaskan US traffic.

I worry about state level quarantines.  In High School, I lived in Walla Walla, WA.  I worked for a vegetable cannery in Milton-Freewater, OR, for the summers.  Probably half the cannery staff and ag job workforce came from north of the OR border.  Pretty common for cross-border employment in lots of places, and cross-border supply systems.  Milton-Freewater didn't have Costco or Walmart, but Walla Walla did.  Lewiston/Clarkston are very tightly integrated on the WA/ID border.  Lots of places like that scattered around the US.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 16, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 16, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
French docs say don't take NSAIDS:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19

There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.

My brother the nurse advised:

Quote
By the way, if you were to get corona, my advice is to avoid aspirin. Take an antihistamine and Tylenol. Humidify the air.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Viking on March 16, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 16, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
That could get frustrating for Alaskans, for sure, if they closed Yukon/BC to Alaskan US traffic.

I worry about state level quarantines.  In High School, I lived in Walla Walla, WA.  I worked for a vegetable cannery in Milton-Freewater, OR, for the summers.  Probably half the cannery staff and ag job workforce came from north of the OR border.  Pretty common for cross-border employment in lots of places, and cross-border supply systems.  Milton-Freewater didn't have Costco or Walmart, but Walla Walla did.  Lewiston/Clarkston are very tightly integrated on the WA/ID border.  Lots of places like that scattered around the US.
This is an issue here in Europe as well. Plenty of people who live in one country and work in a neighboring country. Swedes working in Denmark, Germans working in Austria and Switzerland are common examples. Apparently, while the borders are closed now, they made exceptions for cross border workers. Swedes are still commuting to Copenhagen, and Germans are still working in Switzerland.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 16, 2020, 03:33:34 PM
Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:

beans
potatoes
rice
flour
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 16, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/16/mexico-is-dangerously-unprepared-for-the-inevitable-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak/

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An uncontrolled outbreak south of the Rio Grande will put communities in south Texas, California, New Mexico, and Arizona at risk, especially cities that see tens of thousands of people cross back and forth over the border every day, like San Diego or El Paso.

Simply put, Mexico has almost no ability to control vast swaths of its own territory in normal times. The state is endemically weak, with powerful cartels exercising a kind of de facto sovereignty over much of the country. State and institutional power matter most in times of war and pandemic, and Mexico is in dangerously short supply of both. When the coronavirus hits there, we might wish we had finished building that wall a long time ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 16, 2020, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: zahc on March 16, 2020, 03:33:34 PM
Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:

beans
potatoes
rice
flour


I would think rice and uncooked beans would be fine. Flour for sure, I used to freeze it all the time. Potatoes if you cooked them first should freeze just fine, then used them for mashed or some other dish that doesn't need whole potatoes. That my thoughts anyhow.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: zahc on March 16, 2020, 03:33:34 PM
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
Raw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.

How long are you planning on keeping the rice, beans, and flour?  Refined flour will keep for a couple years without freezing.  Whole grain goes rancid faster but freezing would likely help. 

Dry white rice and dry beans can store for 25-30 years without freezing.  Other varieties of rice may not keep as long, but still much longer than I expect this particular event to last.

If you've got extra freezer space I'd either fill it with things that make sense to freeze or bottles of water.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 16, 2020, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 16, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
Raw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.

How long are you planning on keeping the rice, beans, and flour?  Refined flour will keep for a couple years without freezing.  Whole grain goes rancid faster but freezing would likely help. 

Dry white rice and dry beans can store for 25-30 years without freezing.  Other varieties of rice may not keep as long, but still much longer than I expect this particular event to last.

If you've got extra freezer space I'd either fill it with things that make sense to freeze or bottles of water.

I talked my ex-wife through opening the preps I had left behind from divorce 5 years ago this weekend (In case quarantine and the kids got stuck there). She opened sealed buckets that I made up 10 years ago, everything was fine except jars of apple sauce. The bulk of it was dried beans/enriched white rice.
She has enough food to last several months with the kids there, yet she still wouldn't stop freaking out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 16, 2020, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: zahc on March 16, 2020, 03:33:34 PM
Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:

beans
potatoes
rice
flour


No, assuming the beans are not fresh beans.  Everything but the potatoes has an extremely long shelf life (several years, but after a year the beans take a lot longer to cook)  Potatoes just have a kinda long life.   The freezer will ruin the potatoes, although they will still be edible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 16, 2020, 04:46:10 PM
France is closing down, essentially, for 15 days.

I think things are going to get pretty bad in the US as far as food and supplies are concerned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 16, 2020, 04:47:18 PM
My wife's grandma used to cook and freeze potatoes all the time. Not sure exactly how she did it.

The rest of those I keep in the freezer to keep bugs and vermin out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?

Down further he does show a bit of common sense
Ex-Obama adviser says government should give American adults $1G, every child $500
https://www.foxnews.com/us/amid-coronavirus-fight-ex-obama-adviser-says-govt-should-give-every-american-1g

I am not in favor.  I think Trump's idea of a temporary payroll tax cut is better.  Don't take it in the first place.  This guy wants to take it, run it through the FedGov bureaucracy, then pay out money.  That would probably cost $3000 per person to send out $1000 per person.  

Maybe allow 30 days of unemployment compensation for people who are temporarily not working. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 16, 2020, 12:40:31 PM
On the sgammo.com home page:


Just got an e-mail from Target Sports USA saying the same thing
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on March 16, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
Looking at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

One Provence in China (Hubei) represents a full 96% of their deaths nationwide. I'd like to see the demographics on that.

WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).

China and Italy represent 73.9% of deaths worldwide. If you back them out, worldwide mortality drops from 3.9% to 3.3%.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on March 16, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
Looking at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

One City in China (Hubei) represents a full 96% of their deaths nationwide. I'd like to see the demographics on that.

WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).

China and Italy represent 73.9% of deaths worldwide. If you back them out, worldwide mortality drops from 3.9% to 3.3%.

Brad
I heard that mentioned about China recently.  If you remove that one province their death rate is pretty low.  The person mentioning it said it was due to getting surprised by a new virus. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 05:43:54 PM
Quote
The e-commerce giant said it will hire for part-time and full-time roles in its fulfillment centers and delivery network through the United States in order to meet a “surge in demand.” Additionally, Amazon is investing $350 million to fund near-term wage increases for its workers in the United States, Canada and Europe through April.

Amazon to hire 100K workers amid coronavirus shopping spike
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-amazon-hiring-100k-workers-shopping
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Post by: zxcvbob on March 16, 2020, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 05:43:54 PM
Amazon to hire 100K workers amid coronavirus shopping spike
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-amazon-hiring-100k-workers-shopping

Probably all H1B VISA workers from YouKnowWhere and New YouKnowWhere.
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Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 06:07:20 PM
Kentucky primary elections postponed from May to June
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/16/kentucky-primary-elections-postponed-may-june/
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 16, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
And... Oklahoma just closed all public schools till April 6th.
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Post by: Cliffh on March 16, 2020, 06:27:53 PM
Just received an email from iAMMO,com - advertising specials on 9mm, 7.62 & .22.  No mention of shipping delays.

Dallas has announced closing of restaurants, movie theaters, etc. at 2400hrs tonight.  Stay closed until further notice.

ETA: https://www.fox4news.com/news/city-of-dallas-dallas-county-close-all-bars-restaurants-gyms-theaters-to-stop-spread-of-covid-19-coronavirus & correct time of implementation.
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Post by: zxcvbob on March 16, 2020, 06:45:20 PM
The local Walmart finally started stocking just *small* packages of toilet paper ( 4 "megarolls") with a limit of 1 package per customer.  I got one today, so I can wipe my butt now without feeling guilty for using up my parents' limited supply.  ;/

I went to Aldi today, and they were limiting the number of customers in the store.  Doors locked; small line outside.  They would let somebody out and let somebody in, then lock the door again.  It wouldn't be so bad, except there was only one checkout line open, and the cashier was also manning the door.   (WTF?)  Poor girl was running herself ragged, and checkout was taking an awfully long time.  When I got checked out, I went over and unlocked the door myself and said "Next!" as I left, then shut the door behind the person who came in but obviously I couldn't lock it.  No idea if that caught on or not.  If people behaved themself (and they were) it would triple the throughput.  But the real problem was not enough staff.
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Post by: K Frame on March 16, 2020, 06:55:47 PM
Freeze rice, beans, and flour for 30 days to kill critters and eggs.

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Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2020, 08:39:29 PM
I got nothing  :facepalm:

Woman licking plane toilet seat for 'coronavirus challenge' is slammed by Meghan McCain, others on Twitter
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/womans-coronavirus-challenge-viral-slammed
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Post by: cordex on March 16, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
Stopped by the store for a few things.
No packaged bread except some cinnamon swirl and raisin and such.
No milk
No eggs
Very little cheese
Very little fresh meat
Very little cured meat
Heavily picked over frozen goods
Only a couple packages of wheat flour and some tiny packs of self rising flour
One leaking 25lb bag of sugar and four 5 pound packages of Domino sugar.
Only name-brand cooking oil
No sanitizing cleaner
No rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide
No bleach

Crazy.
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Post by: Ben on March 16, 2020, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 16, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
Stopped by the store for a few things.
No packaged bread except some cinnamon swirl and raisin and such.
No milk
No eggs
Very little cheese
Very little fresh meat
Very little cured meat
Heavily picked over frozen goods
Only a couple packages of wheat flour and some tiny packs of self rising flour
One leaking 25lb bag of sugar and four 5 pound packages of Domino sugar.
Only name-brand cooking oil
No sanitizing cleaner
No rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide
No bleach

Crazy.

Wow. I was busy and didn't make it to my store today. I'm going there tomorrow morning, and I'm expecting that they'll have finally been hit. Interesting on the bread. I'm glad I picked up an extra 20lb of flour at the Costco before they went completely crazy. I now put 20lbs in the freezer and have another 30lbs in airtight flour containers in the pantry. If I go completely to baking my own bread, instead of mixing store bought and homemade, between breadmaking and occasional pancakes and biscuits and whatnot, I'll use maybe 2-3lbs a week.

I'm curious to see what my Costco is like this week, but then again I'm not. I'd really like to pick up an extra package or two of meat. I usually buy their ribeye and tritip packages which run $40-$60, so they might still be available unless the regular crowds get really desperate. Maybe I'll drive by in the morning and if their parking lot isn't completely full, will have a looksee.
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Post by: Ben on March 16, 2020, 09:10:56 PM
Lines are out the door at gun stores.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/16/nicholas-kristof-covid-19-will-lead-to-more-deaths-as-more-people-buy-guns-resulting-in-more-murders/
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Post by: Nick1911 on March 16, 2020, 10:34:39 PM
Things are clamping down in Kansas City.  Most of the Kansas City area will ban gatherings of more than 10 people, close movie theaters and prohibit restaurants from offering dine-in service.  In Johnson County, Public Health ordered all schools closed through April 5.

Several large companies have announced work from home policies.

The only store I've been to recently is Menards, which was normal, except for being out of stock on TP.
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Post by: sumpnz on March 17, 2020, 12:28:57 AM
Boss told us to work from home if we can. 

Elk hunting buddy went to Cabela's.  Said reloading powder is wiped out, .223 is gone.  .22lr was available for $7/100rd.

Local Costco out of pretty much all paper products, cleaning supplies, flour/sugar/rice/beans/etc.  Little meat or cheese.  Plenty of perishables though.
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Post by: CypherNinja on March 17, 2020, 06:06:05 AM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on March 16, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).

I read somewhere that Italy is testing post mortem and any that test positive are being marked towards Covid-19, actual cause of death to be determined at a later date.
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Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 08:01:32 AM
It took me two stores, but I was able to get a few things this morning.

Wegman's across from my office has half and half, milk, eggs, and cheese. They also had, amazingly enough, onions. Only red onions, and pretty picked over, but I'm going to make a pot of chili tonight, so no big deal. The meat cases, on the other hand, still look like a vegetarian's wet dream. Only high end cuts of meat. Canned goods were spotty.

The local Giant actually had some meat -- chicken and some ground beef, but still no ground turkey. I grabbed a family pack of chicken breasts. I'll make a pot of chili with a couple of vacuum seal the others for the deep freeze. I was also able to get canned beans at Giant. Haven't seen much in the way of canned beans since last week.

Hopefully this is easing a bit as people calm the *expletive deleted*ck down and realize that they've bought enough stuff to last them for awhile.
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Post by: cordex on March 17, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
I think it is the opposite Mike. People are seeing empty shelves and buying whatever they can.
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Post by: makattak on March 17, 2020, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 08:01:32 AM
It took me two stores, but I was able to get a few things this morning.

Wegman's across from my office has half and half, milk, eggs, and cheese. They also had, amazingly enough, onions. Only red onions, and pretty picked over, but I'm going to make a pot of chili tonight, so no big deal. The meat cases, on the other hand, still look like a vegetarian's wet dream. Only high end cuts of meat. Canned goods were spotty.

The local Giant actually had some meat -- chicken and some ground beef, but still no ground turkey. I grabbed a family pack of chicken breasts. I'll make a pot of chili with a couple of vacuum seal the others for the deep freeze. I was also able to get canned beans at Giant. Haven't seen much in the way of canned beans since last week.

Hopefully this is easing a bit as people calm the *expletive deleted*ck down and realize that they've bought enough stuff to last them for awhile.

Stopped by Kroger last night because I had the sudden urge to make corned beef today.

No corned beef. No potatoes. No cabbage. No chicken. Mainly expensive cuts of beef. A little pork. Cheese section almost completely empty.

You know what they did have plenty of? Lunchmeat. How do you buy up all the fresh meat in a panic and leave the much more stable lunchmeat?!?

I didn't even look down the paper products aisle, but I'm sure it was cleaned out as well. People are just crazy.

On the other hand, maybe, as you say, people who actually have a small cushion of food will calm down a little since, apparently, people don't keep more than a couple days of food at home.


On my search, though, they did have sausages and we already had some potatoes and cabbage at home, so we're doing sausage, potato, and cabbage soup for St. Patrick's Day.
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Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 08:39:50 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 17, 2020, 08:33:19 AM

No corned beef. No potatoes. No cabbage. No chicken. Mainly expensive cuts of beef. A little pork. Cheese section almost completely empty.

Dammit. I bought the corned beef over two weeks ago, but waited on the cabbage. I'm thinking good luck finding some this morning. I might have to tweak my Paddy menu or else just hold onto the corned beef until thingas calm down and I can buy some *expletive deleted*ing cabbage.

I tend to agree with Cordex - this food hoarding seems to be ramping up rather than slowing down. Even though I'm betting three months from now, Americans will be throwing away tons and tons of spoiled/expired food.
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 08:44:35 AM
Local grocery near me was the same.  No butter either.  That surprised me. 

I was able to get plenty of orange juice which is why I stopped by.  I realized I was out of milk afterward which they also had.
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Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
Is he flipping off the picture taker?

Man at Italian market spotted wearing social distancing 'doughnut' amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/man-italy-wearing-social-distancing-doughnut-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
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Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 17, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
I think it is the opposite Mike. People are seeing empty shelves and buying whatever they can.

That was the first couple of days when the schools started shutting down.

I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.

Yes, there is some "I'll buy anything that I can! I can eat cat treats, right?" going on, but that's also going to start calming down as the first wave of panic monkeys realizes that they have 1,200 rolls of toilet paper and enough food to feed a small army for a month and no where to sit in their houses.
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Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
I have a corned beef in the deep freeze that I really should use.

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Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 08:59:20 AM
Forgot...

Yesterday Pennsylvania's commie in charge announced that non-essential government agencies would be shutting down, including the PA controlled wine and spirits shops. Apparently that set off quite the rush AND quite the howl.

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Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 09:01:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.

I think there's a regional component too. My neck of the woods seems to be a week or so behind the curve on the start of the hoarding. Other places might already be on the downhill side of peak panic.
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 09:14:42 AM
I wonder how much of the hoarding is people who eat out all the time suddenly trying to cook.
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Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 09:14:42 AM
I wonder how much of the hoarding is people who eat out all the time suddenly trying to cook.

Around here especially.  DC/MD/VA is all hustle and bustle, people don't eat at home that much.
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Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 09:25:43 AM
Around here especially.  DC/MD/VA is all hustle and bustle, people don't eat at home that much.

Also a lot of the hustle/bustle people in metros or hipster locations, if they do cook, always want daily fresh ingredients from the Trader Blows. A good portion of my former coworkers wouldn't think about keeping canned goods or a lot of frozen foods. They might cook something fresh on a Sunday in a big batch to bring to work for lunch for a few days that week, but that's the extent of leftovers or stored food.
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 09:57:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1239748037359988737?s=20

James Woods shared this lady's short video on Twitter.  It is pretty good.  "Y'all, it doesn't matter what we do.  There are so many stupid people in this world, we are never going to survive anyway."   =D
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Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
Ammo supply drying up, what's left is jumping up in price.

And then there's Cheaper Than Dirt keeping with tradition and taking it to a whole new level, as in $980 for a case of 5.56

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/winchester-lake-city-5.56-nato-ammunition-1000-rounds-fmj-55-grains/FC-020892225084.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 10:43:33 AM
Slight tangent, but I'm getting sick of this. These people are retarded with their PC "Oh no xenophobia!" crap as their primary concern regarding a virus outbreak. Does anyone NOT know it as the Spanish Flu?

Also a good point I saw elsewhere - China is apparently waging a background propaganda war against us in an effort to blame the US for COVID. This is supposedly one of the reasons the Trump admin has been using "Chinese flu", as a defensive tactic. Yet the MSM is backing China via their PC outrage.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/david-frum-apologizes-for-his-spanish-flu-dumb-mistake-but-not-the-one-hes-getting-roasted-for/
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Post by: cordex on March 17, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
That was the first couple of days when the schools started shutting down.

I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.

Yes, there is some "I'll buy anything that I can! I can eat cat treats, right?" going on, but that's also going to start calming down as the first wave of panic monkeys realizes that they have 1,200 rolls of toilet paper and enough food to feed a small army for a month and no where to sit in their houses.
I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies.  As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion.  The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff.  There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them.  They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.

Based on what I'm seeing in my area I think it's going to be a good bit until stores can keep staples on the shelf.  It's a psychological thing, not necessity.  Even if folks already have a gallon of milk in the fridge they will remember when the shelves were completely empty and will be tempted to buy another gallon just in case, which means less milk for the next guy.  The solution to that is going to be supply-side flooding.  When people start to see full shelves for a few visits running then they'll calm down.
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Post by: Kingcreek on March 17, 2020, 10:45:49 AM
I guess because of the chance of midwest tornados, severe winter blizzards, and old fashioned self reliant farm and frontier ancestry, we just live pretty well prepared all the time.
We didn't really NEED anything. Saturday my wife picked up some extra rice and a small amount of extra canned food. I topped off the gas tanks on 2 vehicles and plan on filling a couple diesel cans.
I went to the library for a stack of DVDs for the workbench player and a couple books before they locked it down yesterday (No TV or internet at casa Kingcreek except for iphone and limited data plan).

We currently have ZERO official positive COVIDs in our county but our Illinois governor, health dept, parks and DNR, everything is shutting down. Banks are locking lobby doors (should I have pulled some cash in addition to the $500 emergency cash we keep at home? Nah.)

It FEELS like a forced vacation but I cant go fishing at the state lake 1 mile from my house. I guess I'll do some work on my jeep and get started on overhauling my fishing boat. Nice enough today I might get my bicycle out for a ride, I just can't do my usual on the state park roads. Maybe I'll ride around the outside of it.
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Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 17, 2020, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 09:57:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1239748037359988737?s=20

James Woods shared this lady's short video on Twitter.  It is pretty good.  "Y'all, it doesn't matter what we do.  There are so many stupid people in this world, we are never going to survive anyway."   =D

Her point about the pin pad is a good one.  I brought it up with GF 2 weeks ago, that every transaction, with cash or card, is going to be a transfer of biology.  We discussed possibly carrying some sort of wipes to wipe down pin pads or POS machines, but determined it was too much of a pain, especially with the possibility of unintended keystrokes on touchpads.

Not sure if cash is going to be cleaner than plastic or not.  Especially once you start getting into all the coin swapping.
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Post by: Kingcreek on March 17, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
I did NOT buy ammo. wasn't even tempted.

I have many thousands of rounds already just sitting there and I could sit down and load another 10K with the components on hand.
I just have to try and live long enough to use it up!
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Post by: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 17, 2020, 10:47:36 AM
Her point about the pin pad is a good one.  I brought it up with GF 2 weeks ago, that every transaction, with cash or card, is going to be a transfer of biology.  We discussed possibly carrying some sort of wipes to wipe down pin pads or POS machines, but determined it was too much of a pain, especially with the possibility of unintended keystrokes on touchpads.

Not sure if cash is going to be cleaner than plastic or not.  Especially once you start getting into all the coin swapping.

I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
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Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 17, 2020, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on March 17, 2020, 10:45:49 AM
currently have ZERO official positive COVIDs in our county but our Illinois governor, health dept, parks and DNR, everything is shutting down. Banks are locking lobby doors (should I have pulled some cash in addition to the $500 emergency cash we keep at home? Nah.)

It FEELS like a forced vacation but I cant go fishing at the state lake 1 mile from my house. I guess I'll do some work on my jeep and get started on overhauling my fishing boat. Nice enough today I might get my bicycle out for a ride, I just can't do my usual on the state park roads. Maybe I'll ride around the outside of it.

Why can't you go fishing?  No one is coughing on each other or in close proximity.  

We went hiking this weekend.  Four miles up a lovely riparian canyon full of oaks and pines and a roaring creek, not 10 miles away from a desert full of saguaros.  We saw other hikers, including some Scouts.  Everyone smiled and waved and kept polite distance, but enjoyed themselves.
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Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
Cash is already disgusting.  Store touch screens and pin pads are exactly why we don't touch our *expletive deleted*ing faces and wash our dirty hands.
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
That is good especially if you go to those places.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 11:01:56 AM
I am at least happy that I stocked up on most things last month since we were already talking about this and what might happen (the reaction to it that is).  
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Post by: Cliffh on March 17, 2020, 11:05:32 AM
Local Walmart passed out spray bottles of disinfectant the other day with instructions for the cashiers to wipe down the POS (Point of Sale pin pad) after each customer.

Some did/do, some don't....
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Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
Cash is already disgusting.  Store touch screens and pin pads are exactly why we don't touch our *expletive deleted*ing faces and wash our dirty hands.



I always cringe when I see someone stick some bills in their mouth to free up their hands to do something...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 17, 2020, 10:43:33 AM
Also a good point I saw elsewhere - China is apparently waging a background propaganda war against us in an effort to blame the US for COVID. This is supposedly one of the reasons the Trump admin has been using "Chinese flu", as a defensive tactic. Yet the MSM is backing China via their PC outrage.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/david-frum-apologizes-for-his-spanish-flu-dumb-mistake-but-not-the-one-hes-getting-roasted-for/

The MSM & dems started the groundwork for that a while back while C19 was still a nearly 100% Chinese problem. Anything to improve their odds come Nov 3rd.
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
The MSM & dems started the groundwork for that a while back while C19 was still a nearly 100% Chinese problem. Anything to improve their odds come Nov 3rd.
Many of them are in bed with China in one way or another anyway.  If not them, then their parent companies. 
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Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
We SHOULD pin this on the Chinese as much as possible, maybe start calling it the Xi-SARS or CCP-Death...

I tried the local Pig again last night- completely packed. I don't get it, if people are staying home, why do they need to pack the store at 5PM?

Drove on to Kwik Trip- they had nearly everything I needed- Hamburger, brats, bacon(was on sale!), eggs, milk, taco shells, etc. Unfortunately they were out of potatoes...
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Post by: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 17, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
We SHOULD pin this on the Chinese as much as possible, maybe start calling it the Xi-SARS or CCP-Death...

I tried the local Pig again last night- completely packed. I don't get it, if people are staying home, why do they need to pack the store at 5PM?

Drove on to Kwik Trip- they had nearly everything I needed- Hamburger, brats, bacon(was on sale!), eggs, milk, taco shells, etc. Unfortunately they were out of potatoes...

If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2020, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.

Most of them are reducing hours. Even wally world has come off the 24/7 plan.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
"If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM."

Around here some of the stores are open 24 hours, especially the WalMarts.

The Wegman's across the street from my office has more typical hours for this area -- 6 a.m. to Midnight.

But, they have a HUGE sign out front saying the temporary hours are 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. They apparently need that extra hour to get stock off the trucks and onto the shelves before the *expletive deleted*it show starts again at 6 a.m.

I've hit it several times around 6:45. That's the earliest I can get to it.

Tomorrow morning I'm stopping by the big Walmart that's on my way to work to see if I can get ground turkey there.

But, if Giant is any indication, we might have hit peak monkey panic for now.
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Post by: Boomhauer on March 17, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
Disregard
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Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.

I'm on the road to work at 5AM though:/ The earliest anything opens is the pic and save which is a bit out of my way, that doesn't open until 6AM


Driving through my town last night, I noticed a lot of the shops were closed. Coffee shops, bars, retail shops, restaurants were mostly closed, Movie theater had on their Marque- Closed Until Further Notice, 2 pizza places were still open though. Library is closed, a church had a notice posted out front stating that they are closed for the rest of the month, McDonald's had all of the chairs on top the tables but the drive through was open. There were a lot of people out walking their dogs, which made it feel like thee was still some normality.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 11:36:34 AM
The closest walmart changed their hours to 6am to 11PM.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
https://www.wboy.com/news/local/wal-mart-reduces-hours-nationwide-due-to-demand-for-supplies/ (https://www.wboy.com/news/local/wal-mart-reduces-hours-nationwide-due-to-demand-for-supplies/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 12:05:21 PM
Now it's blame Israel
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/rosanna-arquette-brings-us-to-the-blame-the-jews-phase-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-screenshot/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 17, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
Need to check Cash and Carry.  If they have decent supplies and prices still it would be nice to get more pork belly for bacon, and maybe some beef or other pork to keep more variety in the freezer.  Got plenty overall, just would like the extra variety.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 17, 2020, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 17, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.

Google Pay for the win. Better hygiene both physically and electronically.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 12:15:15 PM
It's always those pesky jooze...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 12:31:52 PM
Breaking news...

US corona cases break 5,000, up 5 fold in the past week.

I guess that's what really happens when you get testing going... you find what's already there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
Demolition Derby!

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In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:

· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue

· Non-injury accidents

· Hit-and-run accidents

· Disorderly persons

· Intoxicated persons

· Reckless drivers

LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/lmpd-to-no-longer-respond-to-hit-and-run-wrecks/article_3fa29722-686a-11ea-9ae7-1fcf2d6fb288.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
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    Bloody Tuesday.

    Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs just announced it is expelling all the American reporters at Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.

    And not allowing them to work in HONG KONG either. Unprecedented.https://t.co/OiwQ783v9l

    — B. Allen-Ebrahimian (@BethanyAllenEbr) March 17, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/nyt-wapo-wsj-voa-and-time-reporters-told-to-leave-china-and-hong-kong/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
The Great Beer Virus War, Idaho Front:

Your intrepid reporter informing you from the Idaho Front. 17MAR20, 16:59 Zulu:

Costco: Got there at 0950 local, turned around, drove back home. While the parking lot was only 90% full, there were at least 200 people lined up to get in.  I hadn't planned on buying any "popular panic supplies (PPS)" other than potatoes and some meat (but was going to go high end on the meat, which seems to remain stocked). I was hoping to get some more frozen meals from them as they usually have better quality than the "Acme" frozen stuff at the grocery store. I'm kinda wondering if the thing to do with Costco is to hit it mid-afternoon, after they've sold out of the PPS. Maybe less crowded, and they'll still have what I want. I'm going to Boise in the next day or two, so might time it to be driving by Costco on the way home around 1400 or so.

Smalltown USA Dollar Store: I usually don't stop here, but the Mrs Dash salt-free seasoning I like for my eggs is $40 on Amazon right now, and the Mrs Dash website said the Dollar store carried it. I got the last one, $3. Surprisingly though, they had a decent stock of what I would consider "emergency food". Well-stocked on canned stuff, cereals, even pasta. Maybe people don't think of them for food? Low inventory to sold out of the paper products, cleaning supplies, soaps.

Smalltown USA grocery store: Today was the first day I saw bare shelves at my store. From the beginning of my route to the end (note that EVERY product in the store for the first time had a limit of either 1 or 2): Lots of donuts. Plenty of onions. Zero potatoes. Almost all the fresh veggies were gone with the exception of asparagus. Small town, so I expect price to factor on that.  I bought some since it's what I usually buy. Lots of chips. Lots of frozen pizzas, etc. Lots of cereal. Pretty bare in the disinfectant/soap/TP sections. Plenty of yogurt, half and half, and buttermilk, but zero regular milk of any kind. A few containers of almond and other hippie milk, but they always only have a few of those. Plenty of butter. I usually buy Kerrygold at Costco and I was out, so I settled for some Tillamook here. Bread shelves were empty, but the bread truck (regional bakery) had just rolled in and was filling them. Lots of lunch meat, and surprisingly, still a decent selection of regular cow meat in various cuts. Chicken was wiped out.

At the counter,  I asked the checker about the potatoes and the milk. She told me the potatoes were just bought out this morning like every morning the past few days, but with the milk, their supplier canceled delivery as they had no product to deliver. Again, maybe the smaller mom and pops are getting screwed so the big guys with the money can get theirs?

With the milk, this will be my first dip into my emergency supplies. I'm out, so will be using the carnation instant milk. I have plenty of that for drinking or having with cereal, and a case of evaporated milk to use for cooking and stuff. I'm almost out of potatoes, so that was poor planning on my part. I'm still going to look for some before  I break open my Auguson Farms tin of potatoes.

Oh, edit: My store was out of eggs too. More poor planning on my part. I still have a dozen and a half, and lots of powdered egg, but I've put off getting chickens. Had  I gotten them last year, I'd be sitting pretty for eggs. I'm getting the coup (a nice one the previous owners left) in order in the next week or so and getting chicks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 01:37:48 PM
Irish stew on the stove
Irish whiskey in hand
Guinness on standby
Guess how I'm spending St. Patrick's day. *expletive deleted*ck this corona virus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 17, 2020, 01:43:31 PM
SWMBO is going to the homebrew shop this week.  I have one keg, but no CO2 system.  She's going to pick up a keg/CO2 system kit.  Going to give her a shopping list for a batch of beer.  Hopefully they have plenty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 17, 2020, 01:21:59 PM

Oh, edit: My store was out of eggs too. More poor planning on my part. I still have a dozen and a half, and lots of powdered egg, but I've put off getting chickens. Had  I gotten them last year, I'd be sitting pretty for eggs. I'm getting the coup (a nice one the previous owners left) in order in the next week or so and getting chicks.

While I can accept that every disaster plan should include provision for overthrowing the government, are you planning on unseating the county gummint or the state gummint? And what do chicks have to do with fomenting rebellion?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 17, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop.  The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.

In deployed news: they've closed down the gyms, fast food, MWRs, and coffee shops in theater, and the PX's are running low on tobacco products and energy drinks.  We may kill the entire mideast before the US civilians notice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
While I can accept that every disaster plan should include provision for overthrowing the government, are you planning on unseating the county gummint or the state gummint?

Huh. I would have thought the COVID-19 would have already killed off the grammar nazis and autocorrect nazis, since they have such sensitive constitutions.

 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop.  The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.


My supermarket is a regional chain and they've done that. They now close at 8:00 p.m. rather than 11:00 p.m., and they are opening early (06:00) and setting aside 06:00 to 07:30 for people over the age of 60 only. Considering that I'm in the at-risk category for multiple reasons in addition to my age, I may avail myself of that opportunity to shop with somewhat less risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 17, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
Huh. I would have thought the COVID-19 would have already killed off the grammar nazis and autocorrect nazis, since they have such sensitive constitutions.

 =D

You didn't know about the grammar zombies?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop.  The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.


I was planning on checking in with my elderly neighbor lady this week to see if she needs anything picked up...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 17, 2020, 02:28:37 PM
Iowa is pretty much shut down. Schools are closed until mid April, bars and eat in restaurants closed until the end of the March.

This sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 17, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 17, 2020, 01:43:31 PM
SWMBO is going to the homebrew shop this week.  I have one keg, but no CO2 system.  She's going to pick up a keg/CO2 system kit.  Going to give her a shopping list for a batch of beer.  Hopefully they have plenty.

I'm going this afternoon.

I have enough honey on hand to start a batch of mead.  I may pick up some pineapples and habanero peppers for a habanero pineapple melomel.  But I need yeast for it, and I'd like to start 1 batch of beer now and have grains on hand for one more batch of beer in 2 weeks.  Got kegs and CO2 is at acceptable levels.  Have bottles a-plenty to set up 5 gallons of mead in 2-3 months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Looks like my shop is breaking us into A and B teams, alternating 1 week on, 1 week off.

Not sure how that affects me since I'm the only tech writer on the project.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 17, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.

Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.

Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.

This is good news for me. Going through a divorce, have no-contact with wife, tax deadline was another stresser in my life that I don't want to deal with.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 17, 2020, 03:41:17 PM
The Wuhan epidemic anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZGahvrep3o
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 17, 2020, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: charby on March 17, 2020, 02:28:37 PM
Iowa is pretty much shut down. Schools are closed until mid April, bars and eat in restaurants closed until the end of the March.

This sucks.

How about used car dealers?  I was planning to drive thru there in a few days on my way home to look at a truck (near Coon Rapids, IA)  https://www.exiraauto.com/used-2012-chevrolet-silverado-1500-reg-cab-4y4-v5168108.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626

That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.

What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 17, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
Xi visits all 15 people left in Wuhan City...  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/world/asia/coronavirus-china-xi-jinping.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 17, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 17, 2020, 03:45:19 PM
How about used car dealers?  I was planning to drive thru there in a few days on my way home to look at a truck (near Coon Rapids, IA)  https://www.exiraauto.com/used-2012-chevrolet-silverado-1500-reg-cab-4y4-v5168108.html

Call first, all I can say
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 17, 2020, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: brimic on March 17, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626

That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.

What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
So Italy has universal testing now?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 17, 2020, 05:14:33 PM
As expected SC governor has ordered all bars and restaurants and so on closed (except
for takeout/delivery)

He is requesting store to put limits on items and allow special hours for senior citizens only and encouraging those able to work from home to do so/be allowed to do so.

This is going to be a huge hit to our state economy because tourist season was about to open with spring break. I don’t think we have faced  something with such economic impact since WWII. It’s unprecedented and it’s going to be wild







Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 17, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
I’m going to make a prediction..in two months I won’t have a job...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 06:08:17 PM
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-in-chicago-air-traffic-workers-at-midway-airport-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 17, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: brimic on March 17, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626

That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.

What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)

1) Higher per capita average age.
2) Their health care system in the primary area being affected is overwhelmed. Doctors are triaging the worst cases and letting people die.

I was doing some more reading on Korea and why they only hit a .6 and snuffed the spread so fast.
So most of the cases were in that christian cult.  And a large number of them were under 40.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 17, 2020, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 17, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies.  As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion.  The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff.  There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them.  They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.

Based on what I'm seeing in my area I think it's going to be a good bit until stores can keep staples on the shelf.  It's a psychological thing, not necessity.  Even if folks already have a gallon of milk in the fridge they will remember when the shelves were completely empty and will be tempted to buy another gallon just in case, which means less milk for the next guy.  The solution to that is going to be supply-side flooding.  When people start to see full shelves for a few visits running then they'll calm down.
Had to pick up a prescription (in my state) and I may have been wrong. They had purchase limits but some staples were restocked. Still a lot of empty shelves but seemed a little better (in my area).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2020, 07:27:27 PM
Tulsa is shutting down all dine-in bar and restaurant operations as of midnight tonight. the Indian casinos are closing their doors.
I'm still at the point where I am more concerned with people idiots going out of their way to cause trouble than I am with the virus pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 07:29:06 PM
Only in California: Cannabis sales are way up, including doorstep delivery.

https://www.independent.com/2020/03/17/cannabis-sales-surge-under-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 17, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
Groceries weren’t bad today so long as you weren’t buying chicken, rice, or bread (bakery section still had loaf French and Italian)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 17, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Guy just came out of Green Valley Ranch and told me the governor's shut down all casinos in Vegas. I assume that also means all of Nevada.

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 08:47:49 PM
Got an e-mail from Costco saying they're going to limit the number of people at one time in their stores. No mention of what the limit would be.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
Now the commies in congress want to make canceling all student debt part of the virus response package. This whole response bill is nothing but a vehicle for free stuff. I'm wondering if even 10% of it is operational funding for virus response. I'd be pretty happy to see a tactical nuke hit DC right about now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pressley-warren-say-next-coronavirus-spending-package-should-include-student-debt-cancellation
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 17, 2020, 10:11:20 PM
CBI (Colorado Bureau of Investigation) is saying back ground checks have doubled (but I missed the time period.)

People are speculating why.  Har-har-har.

Ski areas are closed, "Authorities" are speculating that this may make more idjits people ski in prohibited areas, are offering the usual advice about skiing buddies, comm devices, etc.  Reports from surviving victims of avalanches are that the most horrifying thing, even if you have a pocket of air, is there's no way to tell which way is up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2020, 10:22:36 PM
Going to start being a buffet for criminals

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Police in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on Tuesday suspended arrests for what they consider to be low-level offenses and violations late in the day.

The Fraternal Order of Police announced that they would not be making arrests for vandalism, prostitution, narcotics offenses, burglary, theft, economic fraud, stolen cars, and outstanding bench warrants following the closure of Philadelphia courts until at least April 1.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/03/17/philadelphia-suspends-low-level-arrests-amid-concern-over-wuhan-virus-n2565153
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2020, 10:27:31 PM
From one of the gun stores here. I particularly note that they said background checks are lagging. With a CCW permit you can skip the background check in Idaho, but I again wonder how these purchase delays sit with people. Especially people in favor of waiting periods, etc. You know there have to be some liberals contributing to this run on guns and ammo.

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Retail Stores: currently we are taking precautions in our retail store locations, and at this time retail stores are open. Phone lines were unable to be answered due to the huge influx of customers, so we have temporarily disabled them.  We are trying to respond to emails related to store backorders, but all employees are trying their best to help in-store customers, restock, and clean.  Product, especially ammo, is moving off the shelves at a very rapid rate, and we are doing our best to stay as stocked as possible.  There are long lines at registers, we apologize for that and are working to fix it, but to get new registers up and running and new employees trained won't help us in the short term.   Also, government background check systems are overloaded, and approvals are coming back very slowly.  This is out of our control.  If you need to, you can place your gun on a layaway and come back later or on a following day.

Ranges:  ranges are open as normal and operating with normal business hours.

Internet Orders:  product is disappearing at an extremely rapid rate, and we are doing our best to grab as much product for our customers as possible; however, in times of crises we cannot guarantee that we will be able to fill every order.   Apologies if this happens to you.  Our computer systems update from suppliers every few minutes, but product can disappear before we have a chance to react.   Leadtimes may be extended past the time that you are initially quoted.  Again, this is due to supply disruption.  It is possible that if our suppliers stop shipping product, that we may have to put outstanding orders on a temporary hold, until the situation resolves itself.  You will be notified if this occurs.  Again, we try to plan ahead for these types of events, but this situation is affecting the entire supply chain. Phones are currently disabled as we don't have the manpower to process orders, move product, and answer phones-- you will still be able to contact us via email and we will strive to get back with you as soon as possible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 17, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
My wife just had a wedding gig in May cancelled since the groom and most of the family won't be allowed to fly in...

First personal financial hit we've taken. (And it's nothing compared to most small businesses- we don't rely on her earnings. They're just nice to have.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 18, 2020, 12:32:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.

Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.

Finally got around to filing last night.  Wonder how long it will take to get the refund.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 18, 2020, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 17, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.

Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.

Sweet, I can hold onto my 5 grand for another three months!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 18, 2020, 07:43:10 AM
Local Pig was empty at 7:30 last night. Picked up 5lb bacon, 5lb cod, 5lb hamburger, more bratwurst, and bread. I'm now set for awhile.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2020, 07:47:23 AM
"Reports from surviving victims of avalanches are that the most horrifying thing, even if you have a pocket of air, is there's no way to tell which way is up."

That's why you spit. Your spit will tell you which way is up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 08:27:06 AM
Now I'm wondering if panic buying will ramp back up again. I just heard on the news (broadcast from some city somewhere), that while Costco and Target are both limiting hours (and Costco people at anyone time), they are both also considering completely closing. If warehouse stores like Costco and Sam's talk about closing, that's going to cause a second big round of panic buying, IMO.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 08:27:06 AM
Now I'm wondering if panic buying will ramp back up again. I just heard on the news (broadcast from some city somewhere), that while Costco and Target are both limiting hours (and Costco people at anyone time), they are both also considering completely closing. If warehouse stores like Costco and Sam's talk about closing, that's going to cause a second big round of panic buying, IMO.

I promise it will.  The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests.  The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive.  When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves.  Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested.  They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.

I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks.  Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 17, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
My wife just had a wedding gig in May cancelled since the groom and most of the family won't be allowed to fly in...

First personal financial hit we've taken. (And it's nothing compared to most small businesses- we don't rely on her earnings. They're just nice to have.)

My older daughter and her husband are musicians.  This plus the loss of student music lessons is definitely hitting them.  (He also does instrument repair, but that's got a high "social distancing" score.)

Any Gov't freebie money (if and when) will prob. go to helping them and other kids & grandkids stay solvent and provided for.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 09:02:44 AM
My brother the nurse BookFace messaged me this:

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I signed up at work to man the corona isolation unit once cases ramp up. We will get to wear negative pressure helmets and 'bunny suits'.
Asked about danger pay and got no answer...

There's one case in his county, last I heard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/people-with-blood-type-a-might-be-more-susceptible-to-coronavirus-study-finds/

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Researchers studying COVID-19 in its outbreak epicenter, Wuhan, and the city of Shenzhen found the proportion of type A patients both infected and killed by the disease to be “significantly” higher than those with the same blood type in the general public.

Type O patients, meanwhile, made up a smaller proportion of both those infected and killed by the virus.

Another factor to throw in the mix maybe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 18, 2020, 09:22:33 AM
22 cases in a nursing home in the town south of me.

For a reference point County Line Rd runs along our cities. The two counties are Cook (contains Chicago) and Dupage Co.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 18, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
How about a little bit of good news for a change:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
UPDATE: Conspiracy-bro is no longer talking about how the virus was engineered to only affect Asians.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on March 18, 2020, 09:48:44 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 18, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
How about a little bit of good news for a change:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp

Let's hope the FDA and CDC actually let people use it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 18, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
I promise it will.  The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests.  The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive.  When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves.  Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested.  They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.

I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks.  Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.


You are right about the lag time. Once the tests roll out by the millions you will see a significant jump in positives here in the US, but then again I believe it will drive down the mortality because so many will test positive and still be walking among us, in a manner of speaking.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 18, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
How about a little bit of good news for a change:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp

Unit 731?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: BTR on March 18, 2020, 09:48:44 AM
Let's hope the FDA and CDC actually let people use it.

California is already doing the paper work to get it declared a possible carcinogen
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 10:01:36 AM
Quote from: BobR on March 18, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
You are right about the lag time. Once the tests roll out by the millions you will see a significant jump in positives here in the US, but then again I believe it will drive down the mortality because so many will test positive and still be walking among us, in a manner of speaking.

bob

I think Florida's lack of consistency will give us a higher mortality rate.  Their population skews older.  But I would bet we are south of Italy's percentages overall when this shakes out.  

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 18, 2020, 09:22:33 AM
22 cases in a nursing home in the town south of me.

For a reference point County Line Rd runs along our cities. The two counties are Cook (contains Chicago) and Dupage Co.

would not want to be running a nursing home right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 18, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 10:03:06 AM
would not want to be running a nursing home right now.

Wouldn't want to BE in a Nursing Home right now.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: BobR on March 18, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
Wouldn't want to BE in a Nursing Home right now.

bob

This x1,000,000
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.

None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 18, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
I haven’t run my Honda generator for awhile. I think I’ll dump the fuel and refill with some new cheap gas and run it tomorrow.
I’m going try the Costco thing tomorrow also. 50 miles away but gas is 1.75 there compared to 2.30 here and I have a couple empty cans. If I don’t have to wait in line I’ll pick up some wine and coffee and some ribs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 18, 2020, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
I promise it will.  The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests.  The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive.  When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves.  Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested.  They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.

I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks.  Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.


Annndd that's why people are stocking up on TP  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 18, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.

None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.

Same.

Saw it on Facetoob last night "A month ago everyone made fun of you for being a prepper or homeschooler, now everyone is a prepper and homeschooler."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.

None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
You may be right about the percentage who will learn.  I think some people need to learn the prepping lesson personally in order for that to stay in their thinking. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 18, 2020, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. T

That sounds about right. I do think the empty store shelves are having a significant psychological effect so it will stick with some people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Parker Dean on March 18, 2020, 11:39:03 AM
For a supply-side report, if y'all will remember I drive for a large meat packing company and last Friday the trailer drop yard here was packed to overflowing. Today it's practically a ghost town. Basically just us 5 company drivers based here and a few other regulars around. And other trucks only drifting in occasionally. Don't know what's happening on the live side since that's half a mile from here.

The truck stops aren't empty but they're far from jumping too. Not sure what that means considering the heavy demands on supplies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article241254951.html
Fort Worth police won’t arrest people for low-level crimes amid coronavirus outbreak

I bet this is happening all over even if it is not a set policy.  Stay safe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 11:48:23 AM
I've got a good tractor and the ground is soft.
SSS
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
This looks interesting.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 18, 2020, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
This looks interesting.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ)
I listened to a medical podcast last week suggesting zinc with quinolone was effective
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Giant food store near my office has more produce than I've seen in a week. Pretty much some quantity of everything you'd expect to see. I didn't check out eggs or milk.

Meat is still sketchy, but there was some ground beef, some ground turkey, and some lesser cuts of beef (chuck roast, that sort of thing). Also some pork chops.

Toilet tissue, paper towels? Nope.

Signs everywhere asking people not to be aholes and buy more than they needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 18, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Giant food store near my office has more produce than I've seen in a week. Pretty much some quantity of everything you'd expect to see. I didn't check out eggs or milk.

Meat is still sketchy, but there was some ground beef, some ground turkey, and some lesser cuts of beef (chuck roast, that sort of thing). Also some pork chops.

Toilet tissue, paper towels? Nope.

Signs everywhere asking people not to be aholes and buy more than they needed.

I suspect food supplies will stabilize.  We should see more runs on food, but not like the initial one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 01:20:42 PM
I had to run to the farm store in Ontario, OR (Hi 230RN!) and decided to stop at the Albertsons there. They were surprisingly well-stocked. I picked up the milk I couldn't get yesterday as well as some polish sausage for my breakfast scrambles (they had sausages, but most meats were in short supply). I forgot to look for *expletive deleted*ing eggs though!  :mad:

They were out of TP and cleaning supplies and also out of all the varieties of your typical "wonder bread" type sliced breads. Comically, this Albertsons has a bakery and the fresh bread shelves were full. Sold out of potatoes.

Decided to try my little store (in an undisclosed location in a certain state) again for the potatoes. No go, but I picked up some tri-tip since my store still seems to stay well-stocked in good cuts of cow meat. The checker told me they are now not even getting potato deliveries and hoping maybe something comes in on Friday. It's cracking me up that the potato state is out of potatoes.

So what I'm learning is that even in the same general region, supplies can really vary by store. Meat at my store, but not at Albertsons; full shelves of milk at Albertsons, but empty milk shelves at my store. In fact the checker at my store told me her sister spent half the day yesterday driving to eight different stores to fill her shopping list .Her sister also did the same thing I did yesterday: showed up to Costco, saw the lines and said, "screw this!" and turned around.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 01:33:26 PM
This morning my little small town regional grocery chain had a good supply of meat including lunch meat stuff. Milk cooler was low but not empty, produce looked reasonably well stocked. Rice and dried beens were low and selection was poor but the canned veggies was fairly well stocked. Bread shelves had the usual selection of the cheaper brands. They actually had 5 4-roll packs of cheap TP, I bought one, the store has a limit of one pack per customer per day. Plenty of bottled water.

I've got a 30 gallon trashcan full of sawdust from my planer, I tink it is time to learn how to make paper from wood pulp.  :rofl:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 01:44:39 PM
The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what?  ;/

Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 01:44:39 PM
The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what?  ;/

Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief

Well, since the fed is loaning money to banks at 0% interest now.....
The only way you get this to work is suspend mortgage payments like Italy.  Most rentals are privately owned, and leveraged.  Joe the private investor has a couple town homes, he put 10% down on them and bought them from foreclosure. He's still making a mortgage payment, which was leveraged off of the rental history on said property.

I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 01:47:56 PM
Well, since the fed is loaning money to banks at 0% interest now.....
The only way you get this to work is suspend mortgage payments like Italy.  Most rentals are privately owned, and leveraged.  Joe the private investor has a couple town homes, he put 10% down on them and bought them from foreclosure. He's still making a mortgage payment, which was leveraged off of the rental history on said property.

I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks. 


As a formerly Joe the private investor landlord, while I don't like the free money idea, I would accept that it would work if I got to skip mortgage payments (though I would still have prop taxes, insurance, need to repair damages, etc). "Rent relief" is better absorbed by corporate landlords, and the problem is that AOC and her ilk think every residential rental is owned by a corporation or fat cat or something, not some schmuck looking to to try and make retirement money on top of their 9-5 job so as not to live off the largess of the gov.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 18, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 01:47:56 PM
I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks. 

Yup, there are a lot of bad bailout options but some are significantly worse than others.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 01:44:39 PM
The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what?  ;/

Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief

<AOC>"It's just all numbers.  You're confusing me."</AOC>
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 02:09:15 PM
I had to go to the store yesterday. I decided to go to the small country town Food Lion, rather than the one closer to the city.

There were only two things I was buying that had taken a serious hit. Bottled water (which I expected) and cheese... Yes, cheese.  ??? Of course the paper products aisle was a barren wasteland. The microwave dinner section had also been seriously riffled through but most items where not significantly depleted. Produce had taken a hit, but there were still a lot of things. All in all, it looked like a thundering herd had come through and left most things behind.

The only thing that this changes for me right now is postponing job hunting. Other than that I was already "self isolating". The only problem is that this was a nice and much needed isolation in January. February, I started getting tetchy, but I had a drain and stitches up the top of my ass. Now, I'm ready to go back out into the world and the world had shut down.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2020, 02:22:12 PM
the world didn't want to deal with the stitches in your ass, either, I guess...  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Things are looking up.  Following the Italy curve, we're only a few days away from free P0rnhub Premium!   :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 18, 2020, 02:22:12 PM
the world didn't want to deal with the stitches in your ass, either, I guess...  :rofl:

Yeah, well, thanks to my newly diagnosed skin condition, I might be finding out what the world thinks of stitches in my boobs too.

You watch. This Corvid 19 *expletive deleted*it will all clear up right as they decide they need to cut me again.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2020, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 02:09:15 PM
I had to go to the store yesterday. I decided to go to the small country town Food Lion, rather than the one closer to the city.

There were only two things I was buying that had taken a serious hit. Bottled water (which I expected) and cheese... Yes, cheese.  ??? Of course the paper products aisle was a barren wasteland. The microwave dinner section had also been seriously riffled through but most items where not significantly depleted. Produce had taken a hit, but there were still a lot of things. All in all, it looked like a thundering herd had come through and left most things behind.


At a supermarket in St. Louis County, the usual wall of luncheon meats was reduced to just a few packages. I hear that's not uncommon these days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Lunch meat and cheese have been spotty when I've looked.

A day or so ago I hit the Wegman's across the street from my office and the sliced and shredded cheese section was pretty full. Yesterday at Giant when I stopped, it was pretty spotty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 02:37:34 PM
Yeah, except lunch meat and bread were good. So was the cracker aisle and wine was pretty well stocked, so I don't know what they're doing with the cheese.  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 03:13:33 PM
Lunch meat has been well-stocked everywhere I've been. I've been surprised as most of that stuff has like a couple of weeks of shelf life in the fridge, and is easy to toss in the freezer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 18, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Chicago Midway Airport control tower shuts down.

https://wgntv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/control-tower-at-midway-temporarily-closed-after-several-technicians-test-positive-for-covid-19/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwgntv.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2Fcontrol-tower-at-midway-temporarily-closed-after-several-technicians-test-positive-for-covid-19%2F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 18, 2020, 03:21:59 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 02:37:34 PM
Yeah, except lunch meat and bread were good. So was the cracker aisle and wine was pretty well stocked, so I don't know what they're doing with the cheese.  ???

Everyone's got their kids home.  I know a lot of people who normally let their kids buy lunch, are now responsible for feeding the kids at home.

We usually make them take a lunch 4/5 days a week, so we generally  have lunch stuff.  And since they're home, they can eat leftovers etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 04:49:48 PM
I'm the Toilet Paper King!
Sams got a shipment of TP just as I got there.
45 rolls per case, 400 cases in the shipment (I asked)
Limit 2
All gone in minutes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 18, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 18, 2020, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 18, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Not yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 05:14:49 PM
I wonder how spring break + many retirees in Florida will work out?

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/spring-break-backlash-amid-coronavirus-outbreak
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/coronavirus-questions-answered-grocery-store-trips-pregnant-women

I just read the above and it reminded me of what I forgot to report in today's shopping report: Nobody seems to know what "social distancing" is. People were all within a couple of feet of each other in the checkout lines today. I will say that I saw several seniors wearing surgical masks, nitrile gloves, or both. Good for them, especially on the gloves. Everywhere I've been that sells them is pretty much fully stocked, even though IMO and based on my reading, gloves are about 10X better prevention than a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 05:22:05 PM
Reading some people are putting up Christmas lights.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 18, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 18, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?

They might as well pull the trigger on that, put the final nail in the coffin of the US economy and any chance Trump had of reelection.   ;/
And the MSM and TPTB had damn well better start this whole BS panic business each and every year from here on out at the beginning of every flu season.  It would make a whole lot more sense.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 18, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
They might as well pull the trigger on that, put the final nail in the coffin of the US economy and any chance Trump had of reelection.
And the MSM and TPTB had damn well better start this whole panic business each and every year from here on out at the beginning of every flu election season year.

FIFY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2020, 06:11:01 PM
Talked to my boss today.  The only customers (other than any resturants) we have that have closed up are the library, and a local social services agency.  I would not be surprised if the courthouse I deal with a lot mostly closed up. 

He's expecting me to be out the rest of the month, in my impromptu personal isolation.  I have a dr. checkup coming Monday, and I will ask him if my state warrants that.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
I had a dental cleaning appointment next week. Just a couple of days ago the dentist sent an email about how they're being extra careful sterilizing things and that they are open for business as usual. After the press conference this morning, they're now calling all their patients and rescheduling elective procedures until May. I just got my call a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 18, 2020, 06:22:38 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Katie texted. 50% of her staff is out. Asked if I wanted to work. I GET TO DO STUFF!!!

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 18, 2020, 06:23:04 PM
My daughter's PT for a hip injury has been cancelled going forward as of yesterday.  

I have a cardiology consult, but the soonest I could get in was May 8 when I made the appointment.  I'm hoping that doesn't get cancelled.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
So far I still have PT for my left shoulder twice a week going forward. I still have an appointment with my Ortho surgeon tomorrow afternoon to discuss the MRI results for my right shoulder. I dropped off the MRI CD at the office this afternoon, all the office people were wearing masks. My wife still has to see the wound care doc 3 days a week, she said all the staff there are now wearing masks full time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 07:42:13 PM
Okay, now I'm rooting for the virus...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1240371160078000128

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/if-i-get-corona-i-get-corona-youth-on-spring-break-arent-going-to-let-the-coronavirus-stop-them-from-partying-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 18, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 18, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?

Friend's wife got a call today while she was working remotely from home.  Front office required her to come in no later than Friday (but ideally right now!)  to fill out paperwork to be declared an essential worker or something so she could travel to work regularly.  Works in a lab that's doing Chinese Death Flu research.  Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down is coming.

That bit of gossip is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: T.O.M. on March 18, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
Quote from: Andiron on March 18, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down in coming.

That bit of gossip is worth exactly what you paid for it.

I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home.  If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2020, 09:00:18 PM
 :police:

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Multiple police departments in Southern California say they have been receiving more 911 calls from residents concerned that their coughing neighbor may have the coronavirus.

Californians are calling 911 on their coughing neighbors
https://www.foxnews.com/us/californians-calling-911-coughing-neighbors
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 18, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
Quote from: T.O.M. on March 18, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home.  If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.

It's appreciated,  thanks.

I was chatting with my buddy while his wife was off doing whatever paperwork stuff her lab wanted,  should know more tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2020, 09:06:29 PM
Haven't heard any talk of any kind of lock down locally yet.
Since I maintain critical communication infrastructure at a critical central office I suspect that were I not on short term disability I would be listed as essential personnel in the event of a full on lockdown.
I've got about 3 weeks left before I anticipate going back to work.
We do indeed live in interesting times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 18, 2020, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: T.O.M. on March 18, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home.  If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.


FWIW, this is in Ashland County, since we're both in Ohio.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 18, 2020, 09:55:34 PM
Quote from: Andiron on March 18, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
Friend's wife got a call today while she was working remotely from home.  Front office required her to come in no later than Friday (but ideally right now!)  to fill out paperwork to be declared an essential worker or something so she could travel to work regularly.  Works in a lab that's doing Chinese Death Flu research.  Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down is coming.
I heard something similar - one to two week shelter in place being announced Friday.  No clue whether it is true or not, or what that means.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
I guess I can kinda see why even liberals are wanting guns and ammo now:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/aclu-calls-for-immediate-release-of-prisoners-most-susceptible-to-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 19, 2020, 02:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
I guess I can kinda see why even liberals are wanting guns and ammo now:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/aclu-calls-for-immediate-release-of-prisoners-most-susceptible-to-the-coronavirus/

Why though? They are getting the prison reform that they wanted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 06:46:42 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 18, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?

Nada.  But that will suck, because I really might kill the family if I can't ride the bike.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 06:50:44 AM
2 congress critters have it now.  One from each party.
https://news.yahoo.com/florida-republican-first-member-congress-232744837.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 06:55:48 AM
LAS tower now
https://twitter.com/8NewsNow/status/1240516526467420160

This is about to wreak havoc on whats left of air travel, because the FAA didn't have a plan.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 18, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
Same.

Saw it on Facetoob last night "A month ago everyone made fun of you for being a prepper or homeschooler, now everyone is a prepper and homeschooler."

While as usual, the MSM likes to focus on the "doomsday preppers" when they talk about "preppers", it's comments like this (from the comment section) that make guns a main "prepping" supply:

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It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/preppers-avoiding-panic-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-us

I also like how a large portion of the comments blame people who collected supplies before people panicked as responsible for panic buying and shortages.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 19, 2020, 08:32:09 AM
Stopped by the store on my way to work, as we are out of Kale.

So is Kroger. I got the LAST bag of spinach.

They had some potatoes. Not a lot, but maybe 20 bags and one of their loose potato areas was full.

Had bread. Some areas were empty, but still had a decent amount.

Had milk. Seemed to be completely full of every type. (But had a ration of 3 per customer... my family goes through 4 a week. I bought 3 so I could come back later for more.)

Saw people walking around with TP in their carts, so they had at least some of that.

I thought I'd take a look at the powdered milk, what with all the rumors about everyone having to shelter in place for 2 weeks. It was all gone. Related- did you know you can buy canned goat's milk?

In any case, things are not normal, still, but are more normal than earlier this week. (It was also first thing in the morning. That may be part of the reason for product being on shelves.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
More hard hitting journalism
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/business-booming-for-cam-girls-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 08:55:19 AM
Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?

Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria.  No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room.  This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA.  The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass.  Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 08:59:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 08:55:19 AM
Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?

Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic

Right or wrong, Trump is now pushing through the soical solutions that were mostly proposed by democrats to help the economy through this.  I'm sure they will find something else to criticize though.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 08:55:19 AM
Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?

Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
So either she wants something or I should be worried about something Trump is already doing.  Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.

(fixed my writing)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 09:00:08 AM
So either she wants something or I should be worried about someone Trump is already doing.  Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.

I'm with Jamis on this - the administration is pushing some relief policies that are the wet dreams of Omar, Bernie, etc. Once the MSM starts reporting that "free stuff" (hopefully) won't be permanent, they'll start hating on him again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."

You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 09:23:47 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 19, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."

You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.

They want Stalin because they're all convinced they're going to be the one who will be Stalin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 19, 2020, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 19, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."

You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.

I missed it, which talking head shared that timeless gem of wisdom?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Parker Dean on March 19, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
Potentially relevant to the shelter in place speculation, it seems the American Trucking Association took some concerns to the President yesterday, most specifically the fact that states are closing rest areas. After that meeting states are now reopening rest areas and service plazas that had been closed. That would seem to contradict a federal plan for sheltering in place to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 19, 2020, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Parker Dean on March 19, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
Potentially relevant to the shelter in place speculation, it seems the American Trucking Association took some concerns to the President yesterday, most specifically the fact that states are closing rest areas. After that meeting states are now reopening rest areas and service plazas that had been closed. That would seem to contradict a federal plan for sheltering in place to me.
During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work.  I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2020, 10:30:10 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 19, 2020, 09:48:42 AM
I missed it, which talking head shared that timeless gem of wisdom?

No talking head, just one of the sheep in the public comments section of the article. Nothing new. Besides making fun of me, many of my old coworkers always said, "Why should I take up space keeping supplies? I can just go to Ben's house if something happens."

That's pretty standard for the sheep. Why prepare yourself when the government or whoever will take care of you?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 19, 2020, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 19, 2020, 10:30:10 AM
No talking head, just one of the sheep in the public comments section of the article. Nothing new. Besides making fun of me, many of my old coworkers always said, "Why should I take up space keeping supplies? I can just go to Ben's house if something happens."

That's pretty standard for the sheep. Why prepare yourself when the government or whoever will take care of you?

If ever there was a comment that deserved the Doc Holiday "I'm your huckleberry" GIF response, that's it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: mgdavis on March 19, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
My business area was told yesterday afternoon that we are being sent home, with the expectation that we will be back to work on April 2nd. The intention is that we "break the chain" of transmission by pseudo-quarantining. Nicely, a charge number has been provided. They told us that we are effectively on call if anything mission critical comes up, so stay in town and sober during normal working hours.
Someone with three stars on their shoulder ultimately made this decision (I support the DoD), if that gives you an idea of the scope and gravity. I was surprised that it came relatively quickly, instead of two weeks from now.

In other news, yesterday afternoon Costco did have paper towels and bottled water, but did not have toilet paper. As others have observed, premium meats were present. I did not see any chicken products in the butcher's case. 24-can suitcases of Irish Death were available, and the wine isle was well stocked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 19, 2020, 10:22:43 AM
During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work.  I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.

Yup. We received guidance that we carry our PIV cards because they "should" suffice if we're stopped by the police in areas where shelter in place is in effect.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
Having truck drivers stop at rest areas would seem to be better than stopping at truck stops if the purpose is to avoid contact. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 19, 2020, 11:13:00 AM
Given the "Shelter in Place" mandates coming down regionally and that certain employees are classified as "essential" and allowed to move about during such mandates and if stopped by roadblocks or cops are allowed to go about their business... how does one become one of those essential employees and get documentation as such?

My company is 100% telecommuting right now.  I maintain our datacenter which is hosted at an Iron Mountain datacenter here in Phoenix.  Due to budget constraints, our DC is not particularly fault tolerant (it's mostly a dev/qa/support sandbox, no real production resources) and there are a handful of things that can happen that require physical presence to resolve.  I'd hate to get arrested or quarantined for heading into Iron Mountain.

Which tier of government is deciding what companies are "essential?"  Or do companies get to choose to classify any of their employees as "essential" and disclose that information to... what tier of government and office?  Or is it all an informal classification, a "Scout's Honor" kind of thing?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 11:42:31 AM
I haven't heard of any shelter-in-place in my area.  If it were done here, the local county Emergency Management Coordinator would be the one to talk to.  Here, that man works for the County Sheriff. 

We often get letters from the county for critical plant personnel to return to the area to evaluate and restart after a hurricane. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
Next week is my "work from home" week... and the company that I'm subbed to is actually looking at bringing us into their facility, which kind of *expletive deleted*ing defeats the entire purpose of sending us out of here.

I already told my boss, and she agrees, that I'm getting the hell out of Northern Virginia Saturday morning. I'm of the belief that we're very likely going to see a shelter in place order for Northern Virginia pretty soon and I don't want to be here when it happens, mainly because of trying to take care of Seren.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 19, 2020, 11:54:35 AM
I'm waiting for the phone call to be part of the emergency management team. Governor basically issued that order the other day, figured it is just a matter of time with the escalation of the numbers infected increasing every day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2020, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria.  No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room.  This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA.  The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass.  Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.

"I'm from the government ... I'm here to help."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Parker Dean on March 19, 2020, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
Having truck drivers stop at rest areas would seem to be better than stopping at truck stops if the purpose is to avoid contact. 
Gotta have both. Parking for the legally required breaks has been a huge problem for drivers for years now but no one wants trucks around. Unless they're bringing TP in which case they're a hero until they're unloaded and then it's gtfo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria.  No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room.  This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA.  The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass.  Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.


The agency I support has just issued updated guidance. Currently 50% of the team works 1 week, the other 50% the other week.

They're now cutting that back to 25% of people at the office, with the other 25% in an on-call status.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on March 19, 2020, 12:32:32 PM
"Shelter in place".  "Hey, we have a hammer! That looks a little like a nail! Hit it, quick!"

 Idiots. What do they think is going to happen after the order is lifted? The virus is magically going to disappear?
 This is going to continue until we either find a vaccine and time to make it and distribute it, or until enough people get sick, recover and have antibodies. They may be able to lower the rate of infection a bit, but it is going to come right back- then what are the going to do? close down the country again?

 They are going to deal a very severe blow to the economy with all the panic. All the people out of work, all the downstream jobs that support them gone, it is going to leave a wreckage field. The most severe will be small biz, those without the pull to suck up for free money.

 As far as I can tell, after reading past the headlines, this doom virus is just pulling demand forward- AKA, lot's of the old and the sick and especially the old and sick, are dying a few months sooner than they would have otherwise.
 Italy just stated 99% of their dead had underlying issues.
 
 This is a socialist wet dream.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 19, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 19, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 19, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.

Yeah, quarantining everyone is getting to sound silly. The only positive I can think of is that I have no traffic to deal with on my commute.
The only problem is the long incubation periods could make trying to shut this virus down like playing a game of whack-a-mole from hell.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 19, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
I heard someone say that is the plan.  This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available. 

I did see something on the Houston news this morning about general testing being available.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 19, 2020, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available. 

Exactly. These extreme measures are only necessary until testing is up to speed. Not to say life will immediately go back to normal but widespread testing will allow us to start.
I've been looking for info on what South Korea looks like today, what restrictions they've been able to drop and what they've kept in place, but haven't found much.
Unfortunately we're going to look more like Italy than South Korea for a bit still anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
There's trouble in in Georgia...

A Georgia state senator was feeling sick with flu like symptoms, ignored them and spent the entire day at the state capitol, and has tested positive for Corona.

One of his colleagues is going ape *expletive deleted*it about it, and rightfully so...


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-state-legislator-shaking-with-rage-after-state-senator-with-coronavirus-symptoms-attends-session-prompting-all-legislators-to-quarantine
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on March 19, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
Police show up at a church in Louisiana because they dared defy "muh authoritah" and have a service.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-police-church-defy-state-order

Some stupidity on the church's part... "anointed handkerchiefs" and all, but still.

Quote
"A police officer told the pastor that the National Guard will break up future gatherings that violate the public health rules issued by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards."

If you want to start a war, threatening the devoutly religious is pretty much the best way to do it.

This *expletive deleted*it has gone beyond "is getting out of hand" and jumped straight to "has gotten...".

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 19, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.

Large population of Chinese who travel home and back as well as having visitors from China regularly.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR1K694mJofI-TDgGkuNQu1EEBdmTGBO3Dqc8lx6jvLvsJD5m4LV_Rsavps
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 19, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.

Large population of Chinese who travel home and back as well as having visitors from China regularly.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR1K694mJofI-TDgGkuNQu1EEBdmTGBO3Dqc8lx6jvLvsJD5m4LV_Rsavps


Bingo. That's something that everyone has been missing.

And, apparently, the same is true for Iran. Lots of interaction with Chinese, given their military and trade connections.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 19, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
I am finally convinced this COVID-19 thing is serious.  A local store said they will no longer be receiving shipments of Coke and Pepsi products.
If coffee shipments stop, TEOTWAWKI will surely have arrived.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 19, 2020, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 19, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.
Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing.  =(

(https://i.imgur.com/JWmo2UO.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on March 19, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
...aaaaand Texas jumps on the Full-Retard banwagon.

https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/19/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texans-avoid-groups-closes-bars-gyms-restaurants-dine-in/?fbclid=IwAR3AbhreCQCSDhFhZ8msV5CtfLH3-RAqOZgX0ZYn1Azjoy3UGEPoLz_-y0A

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 19, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
My son in law works in computer sales: they primarily sell, install and service PCs, accessories and software to businesses.  I called him this morning because I read an article in the WSJ about laptop shortages with all the people working from home.  He confirmed that and said the other big shortage right now was monitors, with everyone buying a new monitor to plug into their new laptop or to add a second monitor to their desktop system.  He said with the shortage of chips and components from China, it is going to take a while for the manufacturers to get up to speed and build replacement systems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 19, 2020, 02:48:48 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 19, 2020, 02:02:33 PM
Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing.  =(

(https://i.imgur.com/JWmo2UO.png)

Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?

How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?

I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on March 19, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
...aaaaand Texas jumps on the Full-Retard banwagon.

https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/19/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texans-avoid-groups-closes-bars-gyms-restaurants-dine-in/?fbclid=IwAR3AbhreCQCSDhFhZ8msV5CtfLH3-RAqOZgX0ZYn1Azjoy3UGEPoLz_-y0A

Brad

Quote
During a news conference at the state Capitol, Abbott announced an executive order that will limit social gatherings to 10 people, prohibit eating and drinking at restaurants and bars while still allowing takeout, close gyms, ban people from visiting nursing homes except for critical care and temporarily close schools. The executive order is effective midnight Friday through midnight April 3, Abbott said.
Most restaurants here were already closing the dining room.  I imagine after this there will be lawsuits about their authority to actually order this stuff. 

And yes, good luck getting Churches to stop meetings.  They would be better off just asking them to spread everyone out or something. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 19, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 19, 2020, 02:48:48 PM
Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?
How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?
I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.

If you just look at raw numbers of tests completed, we're not doing great either. Soon we will be caught up with Italy in raw numbers of tests (and confirmed cases!)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Blakenzy on March 19, 2020, 03:40:41 PM
http://www.pandemic2.org/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 19, 2020, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 19, 2020, 02:48:48 PM
Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?

How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?

I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.

Reading Reddit, a number of European countries including Germany are *expletive deleted*ing about with testing, too.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 19, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
AT&T made 2 weeks paid furlow/vacation available to all high risk employees. Over 60 or other high risk conditions, I would have qualified for diabetes but I'm already off on disability.
This is not counted against regular annual vacation time.
Good for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2020, 05:22:46 PM
The hardware store had a bunch of TP rolls for sale. I would have bought some, but since I hate those stupid Charmin bears so much...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 05:31:05 PM
Are we up to an avg month in Chicago yet?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 19, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/#

Maybe we do need the TP after all ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 06:33:58 PM
Kohl's, in reaction to coronavirus outbreak, to close all stores nationwide until April 1
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/kohls-coronavirus-closed-april-first
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
How's this for spin?

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    NBC's @KeirSimmons says that China "helped" the world by "delaying" the spread of coronavirus and that it is now "worrying that they may get re-infected…from the rest of the world"pic.twitter.com/WSkmGctnmt

    — Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) March 19, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/19/nbc-news-reporter-warns-that-china-who-helped-contain-covid19-is-now-facing-a-grave-threat-from-america-and-the-western-world-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 19, 2020, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 19, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
How's this for spin?
I've seen better...
Quote from: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220818115354923009
China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
:rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2020, 09:23:46 PM
Looks like I'm going to be taking a hit on pay.

I was also told today that if I travel outside of my home area, which I'm intending to do, I may be required to self isolate for 2 weeks before I can return to work.

Even though I'm traveling OUT of an area with multiple active cases to an area in the same state with ZERO active cases. What the holy *expletive deleted*ck is that about? Stupidest goddamned thing I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 19, 2020, 09:56:40 PM
Thought I'd better check in here to see how y'all are doing. Seems to be about the same as everywhere else.

I've been reading tea leaves, Ouija boards, palm prints, crystal balls, and the only thing up and running with any indication of the future is the Dung Seat Scrolls (Toilet paper.) People are buying them up like there will never be a tree sacrificed to the anal dust cloth supply ever again.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 19, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
I am going to work tomorrow and looking at probably shutting down until April 1st. Already locked out my part time employee from Toronto working here with green card because her husband went to Canada to bring their daughter and SICK grandchildren here!
Everything is so slow I might as well lock up and accomplish some solo things at home.
On that note, I have everything I need to complete a couple projects on my Jeep and my fishing boat and I bought pork loin back ribs to do in the smoker this weekend!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 19, 2020, 10:15:08 PM
At this point I'm almost hoping for a lockdown.  Won't be good for business but I could use a rest.  It's been insane for 3 weeks,  I had to put my dog down and I feel like *expletive deleted*it anyway.  Add crazy prepper to the mix and as long as the utilities stay on I could honestly not give two shits.  Economy is already hosed,  might as well enjoy a bit of down time before getting back to work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 19, 2020, 10:28:05 PM
Sorry to hear about your dog.

My phone hasn't rung for work in over three weeks. I'm ready for some money I have none.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 19, 2020, 10:41:40 PM
I've got enough supplies for various projects to keep me busy for a few months of quarantine.  Bring it on!

Last sale of the day last Sunday was a $200 ammo sale.  First sale of the day today (1st day back since Sun) was a $200 ammo sale.  Local Walmart's essentially out of ammo; got a few boxes of 30-06, a couple boxes of .22WMR and that's about it.

Walmart Corp has decided that there will not be local store meetings for the foreseeable future, in keeping with the "no more than 10 people in a group" thing.  WTF?  Sales people are encountering more than that per quarter hour, sometimes more than that at once.

  Local Walmart is closing even earlier at 2030hrs instead of 2300hrs.  They are allowing employees to make purchases an hour before opening and an hour after closing and will be making the employee discount good for all food products too - the discount is usually good for very few food items.  

Not sure how Walmart plans to handle the "no more than 10" thing and remain open.  By the time you get a couple managers, a couple cashiers, a few salesmen, some backroom workers and you've already got 10 people in the store.  Maybe there will be an exception for stores larger than 1 acre?

ETA:  Andiron, sorry to hear about your dog.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2020, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 19, 2020, 02:48:48 PM

How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?

I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.

We're still screwed up.

A couple of days ago I received an e-mail from a state senator or representative (don't recall which) reporting that the state had just received a second consignment of 600 test kits. This was on top of 600 we had received about a week prior. He then went on to inform us that the state laboratory is processing 15 (FIFTEEN) tests per day.

At 15 tests per day, that first batch of 600 kits will last for almost six weeks, by which time test kits should be in ample supply everywhere. If we can't use that second batch of 600 kits for SIX WEEKS ... why the hell don't we give 'em to somebody who can and will use them?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 03:08:15 PM

And yes, good luck getting Churches to stop meetings.  They would be better off just asking them to spread everyone out or something. 

Most churches around here started voluntary live streaming instead of physical services two weeks ago. Both the Roman Catholic archdiocese and the Episcopal diocese made that S.O.P. until further notice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 19, 2020, 10:48:51 PM
Thanks for the dog sympathy.  She was 13 and our first, brought home at 7 weeks as a ball of lab mix fluff.  Fought cancer for the past month but hit a wall and wouldn't eat.  *expletive deleted*ing sucks,  but she lived her best life.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2020, 10:51:55 PM
The Idaho Governor was not mandating shutdowns of private businesses - he was letting them make their own choice. I saw that beginning at midnight tonight, the new Boise commie mayor has put a lockdown on all Boise restaurants and bars for 30 days. I think they can still do take-out. Bummer - I was going to drive to downtown Boise tomorrow for a burger and beer.

We've had only a few cases of the Chinese virus in Idaho outside of Blaine County (where Sun Valley is). Apparently they had 17 cases just now pop up via community spread. Stupid commie pinko progressive county.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2020, 10:54:16 PM
Sorry to hear about your dog, Andiron. Been there and it sucks a lot. One of the hardest decisions I've made in my life. But you did the right thing for your buddy, no matter how much it hurts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 19, 2020, 11:24:57 PM
First case in Linn county which borders me west property line. Not much info to go on so far.

I just got $300 from a friend for the short term to get some cat and dog food gas my meds and a few other things I didn't have enough in stock for a long term stay at home. Hope I can find everything I need at these small stores around here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2020, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 19, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
My son in law works in computer sales: they primarily sell, install and service PCs, accessories and software to businesses.  I called him this morning because I read an article in the WSJ about laptop shortages with all the people working from home.  He confirmed that and said the other big shortage right now was monitors, with everyone buying a new monitor to plug into their new laptop or to add a second monitor to their desktop system.  He said with the shortage of chips and components from China, it is going to take a while for the manufacturers to get up to speed and build replacement systems.

So why not televisions?

Awhile back I picked up an inexpensive (but surprisingly capable) 8" Windows tablet from Amazon. It does pretty much what I wanted it to do, but the screen is too small for my aging eyes so I followed up with a refurbished Microsoft Surface, with docking station. Recently I pulled the television out of the guest bedroom and set it up on the dining table so I can play with both tablets on a large screen. It works great, and since the connection is HDMI it uses the speaker (or speakers?) in the television, with no need for any external speakers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 20, 2020, 12:02:07 AM
https://i.imgur.com/GHwtQXg.mp4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 07:37:56 AM
Word is it has hit it's first enroute Center today.  The CDC made the FAA shut down 3 areas at ZID (Indy Center), and is considering making them shut the whole facility down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2020, 11:58:50 PM
So why not televisions?

Awhile back I picked up an inexpensive (but surprisingly capable) 8" Windows tablet from Amazon. It does pretty much what I wanted it to do, but the screen is too small for my aging eyes so I followed up with a refurbished Microsoft Surface, with docking station. Recently I pulled the television out of the guest bedroom and set it up on the dining table so I can play with both tablets on a large screen. It works great, and since the connection is HDMI it uses the speaker (or speakers?) in the television, with no need for any external speakers.

I would think that people already have TV's, but the work from home glut is sending people scrambling for good equipment.  Nobody wants to really work off a laptop monitor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 07:44:43 AM
So sorry to hear about your dog, Andiron. Been there, it sucks.

My primary concern is Seren's well being. Well, let me say that it's my only concern. Doggy daycare facilities have started to shut down in this area, so I'd like for us to be somewhere where it's not an issue.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: CypherNinja on March 20, 2020, 08:23:00 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 20, 2020, 12:02:07 AM
https://i.imgur.com/GHwtQXg.mp4

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Was that sound clip from Left 4 Dead? The world needs more of those.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
Ventured out for some snacky snacks, and liquor.  Went to a Safeway in town.  Mostly well stocked.  I went past the meat aisle and it was pretty bare, as was the paper aisle.  Had no problem getting cheese, crackers.  Liquor store next door was fully stocked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 08:57:28 AM
Just confirmed.  Indianapolis Center went ATC0...they are shut down.  Which means no fedex flights.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 20, 2020, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
Ventured out for some snacky snacks, and liquor.  Went to a Safeway in town.  Mostly well stocked.  I went past the meat aisle and it was pretty bare, as was the paper aisle.  Had no problem getting cheese, crackers.  Liquor store next door was fully stocked.

I picked up two bottles of wine for my wife. Plenty of wine available last night.

Freezer section was almost completely bare.

Paper products empty.

Meat section empty of chicken and any lower cuts of beef. Plenty of pork- Loin, Ribs, Chops, etc... I don't know why people don't want pork, but I made some breaded pork loin chops last night that were excellent. Some horseradish for dipping and it was SOOO very good.

We had a friend over who doesn't like pork (or has always thought that) and was once again surprised that the food was (1) pork and (2) delicious. Likely she didn't like how it was prepared at home.  

If we are completely shut in for two weeks, the only issue we're likely to face is what to do about fresh milk during the last few days. (I can break into the UHT Milk, but I'd like to avoid that, if possible.)  I'm assuming we'll still be able to get some through delivery or pick-up because otherwise we're going to have a lot of spoiled milk in this country if no one can buy it.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
If you thought the stores were crazy before

California Gov. Gavin Newsom announces statewide coronavirus 'stay at home' order
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-gov-gavin-newsom-announces-statewide-stay-at-home-order
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
If you thought the stores were crazy before

California Gov. Gavin Newsom announces statewide coronavirus 'stay at home' order
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-gov-gavin-newsom-announces-statewide-stay-at-home-order

Yeah. I might have to do a marathon run down to CA to get my dad if I can convince the stubborn old goat to go. I've been trying to get him to come stay with me through all this but he says he's got plenty of food and doesn't want to make the drive. He's 92, so I can't blame him, since it would be a 16-18 hour day with rest stops for him, since I couldn't take the chance on a hotel for an overnight. I have to call him again today - maybe he'll be more open to it now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 20, 2020, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 19, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
And yes, good luck getting Churches to stop meetings.  They would be better off just asking them to spread everyone out or something. 

Once the schools started closing for a week (before the 4 week order from the Iowa Governor) many churches were closed last Sunday and offered streamed services. Monday was the first order from governor related to schools and banned groups under 200, Tuesday any meetings of over 10 was banned along with the closing of restaurants and bars for eat in. So far every church where in I live in North Central Iowa is closed for a couple weeks and will be streaming all services. Funerals are being delayed too.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
As far as I know, no churches in Northern Virginia are holding services, not even the pentacostal churches.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
Just popped onto the website for Giant, my preferred local grocery store. I wanted to get a laugh at the sales circulars...

They have a big splash on their home page that they have set out special shopping hours for senior citizens AND immunocompromised shoppers.

That's the first that I've heard of a store including immunocompromised shoppers in the designated shopping time mix.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 09:53:11 AM
Wegman's the store across from my office, has a huge list of what they've put purchase limits on...

https://www.wegmans.com/covid-19-response/#list
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 20, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
Just popped onto the website for Giant, my preferred local grocery store. I wanted to get a laugh at the sales circulars...

They have a big splash on their home page that they have set out special shopping hours for senior citizens AND immunocompromised shoppers.

That's the first that I've heard of a store including immunocompromised shoppers in the designated shopping time mix.

Just like "service dogs", you'll get people claiming to be immunocompromised who aren't...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 10:19:35 AM
IRS just announced that tax filing deadline will move to July 15.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 20, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 20, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
That's the first that I've heard of a store including immunocompromised shoppers in the designated shopping time mix.

That was so Wednesday in Iowa.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 20, 2020, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 20, 2020, 10:19:35 AM
IRS just announced that tax filing deadline will move to July 15.

Filing deadline is still April 15, bu you now have until July 15 to pay up if you owe any taxes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 20, 2020, 10:33:36 AM
Filing deadline is still April 15, bu you now have until July 15 to pay up if you owe any taxes.

They're saying July 15 as the filing deadline for federal taxes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 20, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 11:01:07 AM
They're saying July 15 as the filing deadline for federal taxes.

Yep.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tax-day-moving-to-july-15-amid-coronavirus-crisis-mnuchin-announces
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 20, 2020, 11:23:16 AM
I picked up a heavy duty 1/2" drive impact and sockets yesterday so I can tear into a project next week. I also needed automotive sandpaper and some primer and paint.
Odd. Almost NO sandpaper on the pegs.
I asked the friendly farm store employee and she told me 3M has shifted everything to filter mask production and is not producing any abrasives at this time. WTF Are people hoarding sandpaper?!?!
Was told the paint Dept has been crazy busy also. People suddenly home on staycation are doing home projects.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 20, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Article in the NY Times: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/coronavirus-outbreak-a-cascade-of-warnings-heard-but-unheeded/ar-BB11pYY1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on March 20, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Any of our Wisconsin peeps driving down I-94? Are the rumors true there's a huge National Guard presence at the Miller Park parking lots? I'm just a few miles away, but haven't had reason to drive that way and pass it.

MPD was training for riots/civil disturbance at State Fair, although that might not be anything unusual, as they've been ramping up for the DNC convention this summer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 20, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 08:57:28 AM
Just confirmed.  Indianapolis Center went ATC0...they are shut down.  Which means no fedex flights.



I checked with a Pilot for DAL and he says Center is shut down but flights are still originating at Indy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 20, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: AJ Dual on March 20, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Any of our Wisconsin peeps driving down I-94? Are the rumors true there's a huge National Guard presence at the Miller Park parking lots? I'm just a few miles away, but haven't had reason to drive that way and pass it.

MPD was training for riots/civil disturbance at State Fair, although that might not be anything unusual, as they've been ramping up for the DNC convention this summer.

I'm strictly on 43 from Ozaukee to Milwaukee county, I haven't seen anything over my way yet, maybe I'll do a driveby this afternoon, as its only 10 min out of my way.

I just checked the traffic cams. The parking lots that I can see from the cams are empty, but there are a few that I can't see.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2020, 11:52:43 AM
Tangent to the National Guard thing, but I read an article this morning from one of the Idaho Panhandle TV stations that there was a report to the Sheriff up in Bonner's Ferry that a militia presence had a blockade set up at the ID/MT border, blocking traffic into MT. Reporter claimed typical battle rattle look. That's a fairly remote and unpopulated area, and there's a ton of "doomsday prepper" compounds up there, so even if there is no concrete evidence, I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

On the grocery front: Undisclosed location of small town America so you guys don't show up and hoard the donuts and ice cream. Produce was better stocked this morning, and they FINALLY got potatoes in, one 5lb bag per household. In fact most stuff switched from limit of two to limit of one. Including, comically, ice cream products which were in short supply. Comfort food I guess. TP and water sold out.  Same with the usual cleaning supplies. 50% stock of milk and bread. No eggs. Most other dairy available. All the meats were available, with the spaces about half full. Plenty of canned goods too. People seem to be concentrating on fresh food now.

Edit: I forgot to mention that all the store employees were wearing nitrile gloves today. First time I've seen that there. Even at the Albertsons a couple of days ago, there were no gloves.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on March 20, 2020, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: brimic on March 20, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
I'm strictly on 43 from Ozaukee to Milwaukee county, I haven't seen anything over my way yet, maybe I'll do a driveby this afternoon, as its only 10 min out of my way.

I just checked the traffic cams. The parking lots that I can see from the cams are empty, but there are a few that I can't see.

I heard it was the ones on the north side of the freeway.

And it could have been a convoy etc. just parking there and they've already moved on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Jocassee on March 20, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
I checked with a Pilot for DAL and he says Center is shut down but flights are still originating at Indy.

So if they can funnel out under ZID’s airspace, and still have enough gas to get to destination, then they’ll be able to go.  But the increased impact on the surrounding centers will cause major impacts throughout the system.  Imagine closing one chunk of a major freeway.  Sure, you can drive around it.  But so is everyone else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 20, 2020, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 11:55:17 AM
So if they can funnel out under ZID’s airspace, and still have enough gas to get to destination, then they’ll be able to go.  But the increased impact on the surrounding centers will cause major impacts throughout the system.  Imagine closing one chunk of a major freeway.  Sure, you can drive around it.  But so is everyone else.

Absolutely
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 20, 2020, 11:57:24 AM
Here in the southeast, logistics seem fine. Trucks are still rolling. Warehouses for food and goods are still moving orders by truck. I've been told that even with some personnel in lockdown or sick things will keep moving OK.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: brimic on March 20, 2020, 10:33:36 AM
Filing deadline is still April 15, bu you now have until July 15 to pay up if you owe any taxes.

Not according to CNBC:

The IRS moved the national income tax filing day ahead to July 15, three months after the normal deadline for Americans to send in their returns.



EDIT IN:

OK, I see others also noted the filing date change.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Larry Ashcraft on March 20, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
We've been sheltered in place for over a week now.  Son and DIL have to work, but they're taking all precautions.  Son works at a power plant as an essential employee, and they've already talked about quarantining him at work for a week or two, but haven't done it yet.  He volunteered, mainly because they would pay him time and a half 24/7, about 10k per week.  DIL is an x-ray and cat scan tech at an emergency hospital, so she has been changing clothes and showering before leaving work.  The kids (three teenagers) are out of school for at least two weeks, but teenagers don't seem to have any problem doing nothing all day.

We've been ordering and picking up essential items at Sam's and King Soopers as needed, but we've always patronized local businesses, and it's paying off.  Gagliano's Italian Deli, an 800 sq. ft. old (1921) grocery, has plenty of meats, cheeses, and breads, and will deliver to the curb. We'll be picking up order from them this afternoon. More expensive than the supermarket but way better food.  We get our drinking water from a local place that has a 1500 ft. deep artesian well that has been in use since 1879. No shortage there, and the water is $1 per gallon in 5 gallon jugs. I usually buy 40 gallons at a time.  We have a good well, but the water has to be softened, and you can't filter sodium out. It's drinkable, but not very good.  We have at least half a beef in the freezer, plus our home canned goods.  Out of tomatoes and green beans though, we'll have to fix that this summer.

We borrowed an Xbox from the kids and dug out a stack of DVDs from storage, so we've been watching movies and reading a lot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
OMG   :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1240801409496313857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
I decided to help keep the local food places here going, so just ordered a pizza for pickup. No cash, credit or debit only, and I call when I get there so they can bring it out to me - no going in the joint. It was the same at the diner where I get their Friday Philly cheese steak. Maybe I should have got the Philly Cheese steak. Oh shoooot.

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Freplygif.net%2Fi%2F508.gif&hash=78afa6fb14fa64ae622af1aed65271043c807d33)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 20, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
OMG   :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1240801409496313857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

You know those earrings are fake, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 20, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 20, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
You know those earrings are fake, right?

All the real ones got bought up last week . . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 20, 2020, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 20, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Not according to CNBC:

The IRS moved the national income tax filing day ahead to July 15, three months after the normal deadline for Americans to send in their returns.



EDIT IN:

OK, I see others also noted the filing date change.







That's the best news I've heard today then.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 20, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
List of products registered with EPA that are effective in killing Corona. Note that it must say YES in the "Emerging Viral Pathogen Claim" column to ensure that it's effective.

https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 20, 2020, 03:44:29 PM
I hadn't heard any parody songs yet, but now that I look for links to this one, I see a bunch of others.

https://fm99.com/on-air/keeping-my-distance-the-covid-19-cake-parody-song/
Keeping My Distance (The COVID-19 Cake Parody Song)


This is the first link I found, but it was not working when I pulled it up on my computer.
https://www.spreaker.com/user/9809001/parody-song-im-keeping-my-distance
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 20, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
You know those earrings are fake, right?

Yep they are.
People are getting better at this
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
IL may be next for a lockdown

Illinois expected to join N.Y., Calif. in locking down against coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/20/trumps-team-senators-negotiate-t-economic-rescue-deal/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 20, 2020, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
IL may be next for a lockdown

Illinois expected to join N.Y., Calif. in locking down against coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/20/trumps-team-senators-negotiate-t-economic-rescue-deal/



It's done.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
IL may be next for a lockdown

Illinois expected to join N.Y., Calif. in locking down against coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/20/trumps-team-senators-negotiate-t-economic-rescue-deal/



Most of the more populated states will be there by the end of next week. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: fistful on March 20, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/

Needs how many women and teenage girls are in the house options
For every woman x5 male usage
For every teenage girl x10 male usage
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
25 known cases in Louisville including the mayor's wife.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the total cases, since the US is ass behind on testing. 
Total confirmed cases in the US jumped by over 5k in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
And holy *expletive deleted*it....Italy has reported over 5,000 new cases and more importantly...over 600 new deaths in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 20, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the total cases, since the US is ass behind on testing. 
Total confirmed cases in the US jumped by over 5k in the last 24 hours.

Latest in Illinois is 4X what it was last time I looked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 20, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 20, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
Latest in Illinois is 4X what it was last time I looked.
Isn't that mostly a factor of testing ramping up?

As testing becomes more common, we do expect the number of confirmed cases to rise.  Hopefully, we don't see the deaths rise at the same time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 06:44:54 PM
Noticed in both Costco and Sam's people seem to be ignoring beef jerky. I would have thought people would be hitting that hard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 20, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 20, 2020, 06:44:54 PM
Noticed in both Costco and Sam's people seem to be ignoring beef jerky. I would have thought people would be hitting that hard.

For the longest time people weren't touching the cold or flu meds.  That seemed like an obvious thing to hoard vs TP and bottled water,  but what do I know?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 20, 2020, 07:10:25 PM
Truck driver from PA said we were one of the lucky companies,  as PA was closing the border for commercial traffic this afternoon and ours was the last shipment out of Newcastle.  Which makes no *expletive deleted*ing sense to me, but hey.  Trucks move things to shelves, if we're going full statist restricting personal travel would make more sense, however impossible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 20, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
Isn't that mostly a factor of testing ramping up?

As testing becomes more common, we do expect the number of confirmed cases to rise.  Hopefully, we don't see the deaths rise at the same time.

Correct.  But most people who bother getting tested are legit sick. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
Well we're beginning to out-accelerate the "10 day curve".  America has more cases now that Italy did 11 days ago.

I'm doubling down on my prediction.  10 days we'll be easily over 100k confirmed. 5k dead, or more.  Mostly in the major metros that have current clusters.  NY, San Fran, WA state, IL.  Florida will be an emerging cluster, because they've done *expletive deleted*ed up.  The more populated states will be in full lockdown like CA.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 20, 2020, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 20, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
Correct.  But most people who bother getting tested are legit sick. 


I disagree with that.  I think you mean, "most people who get tested are actually sick enough or meet the criteria to be tested."  Right now, not just anyone can get tested.  The tests are still limited to those who qualify.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 20, 2020, 10:13:53 PM
For those interested (it isn't my cup of tea), the Metropolitan Opera is offering free streaming:

https://www.metopera.org/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on March 20, 2020, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on March 20, 2020, 10:13:53 PM
For those interested (it isn't my cup of tea), the Metropolitan Opera is offering free streaming:

https://www.metopera.org/

Will it kill the virus?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 20, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
So how will those pictures of the Mall look with everyone keeping 6 feet of personal space?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text?r=1&s=1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 21, 2020, 12:21:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGw5Ucmwk8
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 08:31:28 AM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 20, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
So how will those pictures of the Mall look with everyone keeping 6 feet of personal space?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text?r=1&s=1

Let no good crisis go to waste....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-beT7CTZhwb0/UXfXGezoCkI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/1SFXwlvg_NQ/s1600/monty.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: fistful on March 20, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/

I read an article on the guys who made that site. They did it to show people they are being ridiculous by panicking about their TP supply for a short term event (other than those who don't keep more than a couple of rolls around). I mean, when you see that a Costco pack will last you 400 days, it makes the zombie hordes pushing through the doors every day look a bit insane.

On the other hand, their default "per wipe" is two squares. I like a little more "social distancing" than that when I do my business. Even so, using my preferred parameters and current TP inventory, I only have enough for ~1500 days. That's not enough for an real apocalypse. After this current scare is over, I'll need to up my inventory. I want at least ten years after the end of the world before I have to start using alternate methods.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/it-will-not-be-pretty-state-preparing-to-make-life-or-death-decisions-if-coronavirus-overwhelms-health-care-system/

Washington state is coming up with a triage plan to allocate scarce healthcare resources.  Death panels, if you will.  Many other states are doing the same.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2020, 09:40:16 AM
Can't say I blame them

Quote
Costco, the big-box store known for its flexible return policy, is reportedly no longer accepting returns on several in-demand items such as toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizing wipes, water, rice or Lysol.

Costco not accepting returns on certain in-demand items: report
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/costco-not-accepting-returns-items
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 21, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
Went to Target yesterday to pick up a prescription for SWMBO.  Paper products section completely wiped out.  However, stocks of other items seemed to be pretty much normal.  Lots of bottled water available.  Plenty of coffee, snack items, canned goods, etc.
Some shortages of a few soda flavors, surprisingly, but there were some folks from one of the brands in there restocking.
FYI: Soda products do not move through the distribution centers like most everything else.  Reps from the various brands bring their product in and stock the shelves themselves.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2020, 10:30:55 AM
Kinda political but kinda not: Joe Biden will be giving "shadow briefings" on the virus to "counteract" Trump. Good thoughts on this from a commenter:

Quote
Completely unhelpful and destined only to sow division.

He isn’t privy to any of the information the government has, he doesn’t have to actually be accountable for anything he says he “would” hypothetically do. This is just heckling from the sidelines in a time of true crisis.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/21/dangerous-and-outrageous-joe-bidens-plan-for-shadow-coronavirus-briefings-to-counter-trump-gets-shredded/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Parker Dean on March 21, 2020, 10:50:23 AM
Just got back from the Bedford IN Walmart. I was there at the 0700 opening, which was an hour later than the 0600 they said yesterday. Store now closes at 2030 instead of the prior 2300

Hard cat food almost gone as was litter. Canned cat food supply was ok though.

Canned vegetables were almost completely wiped out, as were soups, microwavable entrees, Parmesan cheese, crackers.

Fresh meats were severely depleted but in better supply than the canned goods. Maybe 20 percent full. Lunch meat section looked almost normal. Until you actually looked at it, then you could tell the locusts had been there too

Paper products. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Not even paper towel leavin's.

Garbage bags decimated.

Frozen foods also severely hit. Lots of empty shelves in the freezers. Could probably consolidate what was left into one side of one aisle.

Eggs looked ok with about half the section filled and milk seemed normal. Yogurt also heavily hit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: Parker Dean on March 21, 2020, 10:50:23 AM

Garbage bags decimated.

Another weird hoarding item to add to the list. I'm getting curious as to what websites or other info sources are being used by "non-APS" type sheeple regarding what to stock up on or hoard. Or is this just the kind of stuff people with zero information buy?

Maybe for the garbage bags they saw the people who duct taped themselves into garbage bags while wearing respirators under their nose.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2020, 01:23:10 PM
Just got back from picking up my Delta Elite I was having worked on by the smith at my gun store.  I got there right at 1000 and there were around a dozen people waiting to get in. They were pretty down on ammo. I can't say for sure about calibers, but the area where they stack the bulk mostly 9MM, .45ACP, 5.56, 7.62x39, etc. was pretty barren.

With this panic buying on guns I'm a little perturbed that the Glock 23 I have on consignment with them is still sitting there.  =(

On my way there I took notice that the Walmart parking lot was packed full, while a big shopping center in the same area with Marshall's etc. was a ghost town. The Boise mayor shut down bars and restaurants, but so far I think she is letting other businesses in the city make their own calls. Seems like maybe people are choosing not to hit stores that don't have daily necessities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 21, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/it-will-not-be-pretty-state-preparing-to-make-life-or-death-decisions-if-coronavirus-overwhelms-health-care-system/

Washington state is coming up with a triage plan to allocate scarce healthcare resources.  Death panels, if you will.  Many other states are doing the same.

Following the Italy curve nicely.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 02:25:26 PM
New York Center just went down....multiple confirmed cases. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2020, 02:30:28 PM
NJ on lockdown
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 21, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 21, 2020, 10:30:55 AM
Kinda political but kinda not: Joe Biden will be giving "shadow briefings" on the virus to "counteract" Trump. Good thoughts on this from a commenter:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/21/dangerous-and-outrageous-joe-bidens-plan-for-shadow-coronavirus-briefings-to-counter-trump-gets-shredded/

(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BidenBriefings-750x790.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 21, 2020, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 02:25:26 PM
New York Center just went down....multiple confirmed cases. 

Nothing on the FAA website about it.  Traffic still moving through there on FlightAware.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 21, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Stopped by a small town IGA, rural Virginia.

Things were mostly normal. Most things available, if low. They had a small amount of baby wipes. They even had a couple BNLS Chicken breasts.

However, even their paper products aisle was empty. No paper towels, no toilet paper.

The crazy is everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
Another one bordering on political, but holy hell - the trannies are now upset that hospitals are treating virus victims instead of doing sex change operations. Way to promote your brand, yo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/21/vice-non-essential-life-saving-trans-surgeries-are-being-delayed-too-due-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 21, 2020, 04:27:52 PM
Nothing on the FAA website about it.  Traffic still moving through there on FlightAware.

I was semi misinformed.  Two areas are ATC0.  Major delays into the NE.  Traffic is being worked around those areas, the TRACON is tunneling traffic out at a reduced capacity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 21, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2020, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 21, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
Another one bordering on political, but holy hell - the trannies are now upset that hospitals are treating virus victims instead of doing sex change operations. Way to promote your brand, yo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/21/vice-non-essential-life-saving-trans-surgeries-are-being-delayed-too-due-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

I wish I could say I'm shocked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 21, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 21, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
Another one bordering on political, but holy hell - the trannies are now upset that hospitals are treating virus victims instead of doing sex change operations. Way to promote your brand, yo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/21/vice-non-essential-life-saving-trans-surgeries-are-being-delayed-too-due-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

You're terrible for even pointing this out.  The LBGTWTFBBQ community is stunning and brave for coping with this terrible slight as well as they have  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 21, 2020, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: fistful on March 21, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/BidenBriefings-750x790.jpg)

Isn't that Daniel Tiger from Mr Rogers?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 05:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 21, 2020, 05:31:17 PM
I was semi misinformed.  Two areas are ATC0.  Major delays into the NE.  Traffic is being worked around those areas, the TRACON is tunneling traffic out at a reduced capacity.

Sounds like they're getting caught up, I see green dots on the command center site.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 21, 2020, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 21, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Stopped by a small town IGA, rural Virginia.

Things were mostly normal. Most things available, if low. They had a small amount of baby wipes. They even had a couple BNLS Chicken breasts.

However, even their paper products aisle was empty. No paper towels, no toilet paper.

The crazy is everywhere.

Ditto here.

Aldi today was patchy in unusual places.  Peanut butter, totally wiped out.  No TP, but other household products available.  The "Aldi Finds" aisle where the weird stuff goes, mostly empty.

Cub Foods (regional chain), decent stock, mostly.

Ran by a local gun shop as I do every week or two, to scope out the used stuff.  Good stock in guns and ammo.  There was a display of bulk 1000 round packs of .45 ACP.  (Last time I was in it was 9mm, and I might have got one if that was still there).  And crowded, with two lines going to the two registers.

And i guess our lockdown has technically started.  I'll have to read over the decree.  I think computer techs were listed as one of the "exempt" jobs, if servicing necessary systems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 21, 2020, 06:31:45 PM
Kansas City issued a shelter in place order, effective Tuesday.  Here's the text of the order, if anyone is curious:  https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6816624/Kansas-City-Stay-at-Home-Order.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 21, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Half of a twin city? Wonder how that will go.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 21, 2020, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 21, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Half of a twin city? Wonder how that will go.

Is that the good half?  The bad half won't listen anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 21, 2020, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 21, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Half of a twin city? Wonder how that will go.

Looks like it's the whole metro, though the only published copy of a proper ordnance was for kcmo.

Johnson County's site says:
Today the CORE 4 partners of Jackson County, Missouri; Johnson County, Kansas; Kansas City, Missouri, and the Unified Government of Wyandotte County/Kansas City, Kansas, based on the urgency of the COVID-19 public health emergency and the imminent rapid progression of the pandemic in our area, announce that beginning Tuesday, March 24, residents will be directed to stay at home except for essential needs. All jurisdictions will issue orders that will stay in effect for 30 days from the effective date of March 24, with consideration after 30 days of whether to prolong these orders beyond that date, based on public health and critical care metrics available at that time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 21, 2020, 09:11:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDj2STEnIw4
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Post by: Jim147 on March 21, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
I made the fun trip to the store today. When to the small town of Butler, MO Walmart. No TP for my bunghole. The whole paper isle was wiped out. No can foods or flour sugar frozen dinners cheese eggs etc. did grab two gallons of whiskey so I'm good.

Stopped at my closer smaller town grocery store. Had everything except TP.

My sinuses are messing with me and with no immune system I would start coughing in crowded isles just to screw with people and get them out of my way.
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Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 22, 2020, 12:37:11 AM
My latest labs showed my BUN was low. Not below normal range, but low enough that my PC wants me to get more protein in my diet.

  =|

Today I realized at the grocery store that it would be easier said than done.  :mad:

I did manage to get some eggs (not the cheap store brand like normal, though) bacon (probably not what she meant  :cool: ) some precooked pulled pork that was rather expensive, and a rotisserie chicken that was over peppered  [barf] so I won't be eating that.

Right now, I just don't have much energy for cooking, but when it came to easy protein there just wasn't much of a selection.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 22, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Try a reese that helped me get protein after dropping over 40 pounds in a couple months.

Got me back to eating.

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Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 22, 2020, 01:02:11 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 22, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Try a reese that helped me get protein after dropping over 40 pounds in a couple months.

Got me back to eating.



About a month into the drug taper, sweets started tasting really bad. I'm just starting to get sweet back, but reese's are still nasty.  :'(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2020, 02:43:37 AM
Our feckless governor proudly announced today that we have now run 3,100 tests for COVID-19.

Let's do the math: This was as of the end of the day on March 21. The first case in this state was confirmed on March 8. 21 - 8 = 13. So, even if they had only started testing on the 8th, that would mean they've been averaging 238 tests per day. In reality, testing started before the 8th, so call it 200 tests or less  per day. With multiple testing sites around the state, that strikes me as pretty poor performance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 22, 2020, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2020, 02:43:37 AM
Our feckless governor proudly announced today that we have now run 3,100 tests for COVID-19.

Let's do the math: This was as of the end of the day on March 21. The first case in this state was confirmed on March 8. 21 - 8 = 13. So, even if they had only started testing on the 8th, that would mean they've been averaging 238 tests per day. In reality, testing started before the 8th, so call it 200 tests or less  per day. With multiple testing sites around the state, that strikes me as pretty poor performance.

What's worse is that those tests weren't averaged.  They did very few at the beginning of the outbreak, and are doing more testing now. 
China played canary in the mine for us, and our leaders dropped the ball.
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Post by: brimic on March 22, 2020, 09:06:29 AM
This is where private industry is going to save the day. State labs are only able to process anywhere from dozens to a few hundred tests per day. Technology is available now to run a few hundred tests per hour, and a new test just came out that can have an individual result in 45 minutes.
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Post by: Jamisjockey on March 22, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
Well...the rumor is that there's been some incidents in the local high end grocery store parking lot (Wegman's).  Apparently there's now a permanent police presence. 
I found it odd that very recently, the county put some of those solar powered cameras in the Walmart parking lot...like early Feb they suddenly appeared...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: T.O.M. on March 22, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
Just saw a Facebook post from my favorite gunshop/range.   They has 14 firearms left for sale.  New, used, or otherwise.   They have no .22, no 9mm, no .38, no 5.56, and no 12 gauge at this time, and limited supplies of .380, .357, .40, and .45.  They have set aside a small amount of ammo for each of the firearms left for sale.

Shortly after, I saw another FB discussion about why gun stores are allowed to stay open, that they should have been shut down the first day because it's non essential,  and just allowing these hoarders to arm up to protect their stuff from those "who may need it."  Yeah, no s$%t, my guns and ammo are to protect my family and our supplies.
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Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: T.O.M. on March 22, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
Shortly after, I saw another FB discussion about why gun stores are allowed to stay open, that they should have been shut down the first day because it's non essential,  and just allowing these hoarders to arm up to protect their stuff from those "who may need it."  Yeah, no s$%t, my guns and ammo are to protect my family and our supplies.

I read a news story this morning that San Francisco area Sheriffs are shutting down gun stores there that stayed open. The stores made the argument that it's essential for people to be able to protect themselves (nevermind the 10 day wait to do so). It didn't fly. Apparently this is due to residents calling the cops complaining the stores were open. One store owner said that several customers who have gone through the ten day wait can't get their guns now because he can't even open to give them their paid for merchandise.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 22, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
Our Democrat Governor specifically designated gun stores as essential services allowed to stay open.

I don't even have any idea of what to think about that!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2020, 11:50:30 AM
Dems/MSM 2019: Trump is going to get us all killed because he's acting like a dictator. Impeach him!
Dems/MSM 2020: Trump is going to get us all killed because he's not acting like a dictator. Impeach him!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 22, 2020, 12:57:25 PM
One week out in the poll.

The good and bad news is 81.7% have no personal knowledge of someone infected.

20% of us knowing someone infected doesn't inspire positivity in my mind.

As one of ours signed off regularly, "stay safe".

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
Rand Paul has it
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Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2020, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 22, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
Well...the rumor is that there's been some incidents in the local high end grocery store parking lot (Wegman's).  Apparently there's now a permanent police presence. 
I found it odd that very recently, the county put some of those solar powered cameras in the Walmart parking lot...like early Feb they suddenly appeared...

Was it the county, or was it Walmart? There are four Walmart stores generally within my area of operation, two of which I visit semi-regularly and two of which I visit infrequently. ONE of those has those solar-powered security trailers in the parking lot. Coincidentally, it happens to be the store nearest the ghetto area of the neighboring city.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
^^^Some of the local big box stores (including Walmart, although Walmart has the most of them) have had those cameras (Lot Cop) for a while now.  All of these stores are in high-crime areas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 22, 2020, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 22, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
Rand Paul has it

That could be bad. I believe he has some underlying respiratory/lung issues from the assault he was the victim of a few years back. I seem to recall he may have had a portion of a lung removed, for some reason that is stuck in my brain, it could also be a figment of my imagination.  =|


bob
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Post by: Andiron on March 22, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
Looks like Ohio is on forced vacation for the next 2 weeks. 

Can't find a list of what's considered essential business as they haven't linked to one yet.
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Post by: TommyGunn on March 22, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
Quote from: BobR on March 22, 2020, 02:57:17 PM
That could be bad. I believe he has some underlying respiratory/lung issues from the assault he was the victim of a few years back. I seem to recall he may have had a portion of a lung removed, for some reason that is stuck in my brain, it could also be a figment of my imagination.  =|


bob

He was assaulted by a neighbor, which did injury to his lung.  But,  he is  a kongresskritter and will receive top quality  healthcare.   I suspect he knows his risks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Angela Merkel went into quarantine after she was exposed to her doctor who had it. Germany apparently has one of the lowest mortality rates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

My conspiracy theory cousin has been sending me some interesting youtubz about kraut infection rates and response though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
Made a routine grocery run this afternoon to the local small town shop.
Still no paper products to be had.
Eggs are nonexistent.
Milk was a little low but not out of range for this location on a Sunday afternoon.
No potatoes, but there was quite a stock of sweet potatoes.
Bread is low, down to the cheap brands that I prefer not to buy, I will start baking today.
Meat, including fresh, frozen and lunch meat selection was a little low but not far from a normal Sunday afternoon stock for this location.
Frozen vegetables were slightly low.
Little Debbie snack cakes were pretty well wiped out of the more popular stuff.
I didn't look in on the rice and beans and canned veggies and soup aisle because I don't need any.

The store has posted signs stating a 1 item per day per person limit on scarce items.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 22, 2020, 03:41:39 PM
Iowa governor is having daily press releases, for the most part she is closing different business sectors, today it was salons/barbers, massage and tattoo parlors. She did lift for licensing restrictions on expired health care workers licenses.

She is doing everything to keep from having a shelter in place declaration because I think she doesn't want to be on the hook for salaries of sheltered at home public employees (city, county and state).

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2020, 03:39:06 PM

Little Debbie snack cakes were pretty well wiped out of the more popular stuff.

It's cracking me up about the run on junk food. My little store also has "one item" signs for scarce items, which includes the twinkies, chips, and ice cream.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 22, 2020, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 22, 2020, 03:54:50 PM
It's cracking me up about the run on junk food. My little store also has "one item" signs for scarce items, which includes the twinkies, chips, and ice cream.  :laugh:

Comfort food, I'm jonesing for some Oreos but I'm refusing to buy because I'll Houdini a bag of them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
My son called me earlier today whining about his teenage son hoovering up food like you could just go to the store and buy more of it.
I laughed and laughed.
 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2020, 04:49:32 PM
OH going on lockdown

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 22, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
I did a couple of extra normal type grocery buys. No mega quantities, no TP, just stuff we can use normally. Starting point was a conservative 3 months of food already on hand. Worried about my garden, worried about a worst case where the stuff comes back strong in the fall. I'm good until it gets cold again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 22, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
My wife’s work (city .gov) in typical .gov stupidity was shut down (the smart part) but then they make her go outside in front of the building and meet with customers (for business license renewals) plus open mail and take money. Her boss told her to do it because it was “an essential function” then took off to “work from home”, and sent an email that she was sacrificing so much by working from home and only doing three days of work a week for five days of pay.

We just got the “wash your hands and you’ll be aight fam” speech from my work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Boom - hopefully your wife is wearing gloves - especially when handling cash?

I'm seeing all kinds of businesses refusing cash. Even when I ordered pizza a couple of days ago, my rural pizza joint took my CC info over the phone - they don't even want people going inside and using the CC reader- then they brought the pizza out to my truck when I got there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 22, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
No she’s not but I’m gonna ask her if she wants a box to take with her tomorrow since I have some here.

My mom works for the county in the courthouse and is across the street from my wife’s office and fortunately they actually stopped outside customers for the county so she’s at much less risk now (Mom has COPD real bad so she’s gonna be screwed if she gets it)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Not an actual lock down as many feared but give it a few days.
And welcome to Ky where liquor stores are considered essential  :laugh:

Beshear announces 103 coronavirus cases in Ky., orders non-essential businesses to close Monday night
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/22/beshear-announces-coronavirus-cases-ky-orders-non-essential-businesses-close-monday-night/

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Beshear also announced a significant step toward limiting the spread of the coronavirus. As of Monday night, all non-essential retail businesses are required to close by 8 p.m. Beshear said grocery stores, pharmacies, and gas stations will be allowed to stay open, but all other stores are ordered to close. Examples given were clothing stores, department stores and auto dealers, though the governor did allow auto mechanics can stay open.

Beshear also said non-essential businesses can continue providing pickup and delivery services.

Liquor stores and banks also are exempt and can stay open, Beshear said.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 22, 2020, 08:43:37 PM
If this is real, it's not good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 22, 2020, 08:44:53 PM
15 million
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 08:53:33 PM
How about them law enforcement grade hollow points for protecting your virus stash?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/gun-and-ammunition-sales-rise-amid-pandemic-fears/2020/03/21/6000640e-6b08-11ea-abef-020f086a3fab_story.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on March 22, 2020, 08:43:37 PM
If this is real, it's not good.

That's why they haven't had a lot of new cases, they're all dead.
I have 0 trust.in China's reports .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 22, 2020, 09:31:26 PM
I'm really confused about why people keep talking about the CDC lately. I thought their job was studying gun violence.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 22, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
Dallas county has just gone into "shelter-at-home" starting at 11:59 p.m. on Monday, March 23. It will last until at least April 3.

Not sure why a judge would be the one to issue the order?  Seems to me that would/should be the mayors' job.

So far my county only has 1 case (as of last night), Dallas county has had 3 deaths from it.  I'm not too concerned about lock down, yet.

ETA:  https://www.fox4news.com/news/shelter-at-home-order-issued-for-dallas-county
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2020, 09:50:10 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-top-secret-plans-if-coronavirus-cripples-government-1492878

Apparently, the Continuity of Government plans are being dusted off and looked at. Hmmm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: mgdavis on March 22, 2020, 09:58:51 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 22, 2020, 08:53:33 PM
How about them law enforcement grade hollow points for protecting your virus stash?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/gun-and-ammunition-sales-rise-amid-pandemic-fears/2020/03/21/6000640e-6b08-11ea-abef-020f086a3fab_story.html

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In Washington, D.C., the demand for handguns spiked so sharply this month that dealer Charles Sykes, the only person who can legally provide pistols to residents of the nation’s capital, said he has stopped doing so, because he was overwhelmed.

“It looked like it was going to continue, that there was no end in sight,” he said. “A person has to know his limitations, and I know mine.”

Although handgun ownership has been legal in the District since a 2008 Supreme Court ruling, there are no gun stores. Like O’Connor in Maryland, Sykes is an FFL-holder in D.C. — and the only one. Any city resident who wants to legally acquire a pistol has to order it outside of D.C. and have it shipped to Sykes to finish the transaction.

But no more. “I was getting so inundated with firearms coming in, it got to be too much,” Sykes said. “I had to stop accepting them. Any firearms that come in now, they automatically get sent back.”

True dedication right there. :facepalm:
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Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 22, 2020, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: mgdavis on March 22, 2020, 09:58:51 PM
True dedication right there. :facepalm:

It's not his fault he's the only game in town and one person can only do so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 22, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
Does anyone else feel like there is no real plan from the Feds or the States and no end in sight?

I don't know how long people can just hang out at home. This week is when people start missing checks if they haven't already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2020, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Jocassee on March 22, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
Does anyone else feel like there is no real plan from the Feds or the States and no end in sight?

I don't know how long people can just hang out at home. This week is when people start missing checks if they haven't already.

And the dems have now stalled the (what, $1.8 trillion now?) relief bill because Schumer and Pelosi said there's still not enough free stuff in it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 22, 2020, 11:35:20 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 22, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Angela Merkel went into quarantine after she was exposed to her doctor who had it. Germany apparently has one of the lowest mortality rates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

My conspiracy theory cousin has been sending me some interesting youtubz about kraut infection rates and response though.

I found this one rather chortle-able.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 01:49:01 AM
Keep the older folks in protective quarantine, and let it run it's course. A tiny percentage will die, most won't , and we might have a country left over.

Continue this economic suicide and we won't have a country we recognize.
 
 I am starting to wonder if China/MSM/commiecrats  are running a panic scheme on us, designed to get us shut down.
 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 23, 2020, 06:13:23 AM
Quote from: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 01:49:01 AM
Keep the older folks in protective quarantine, and let it run it's course. A tiny percentage will die, most won't , and we might have a country left over.

Continue this economic suicide and we won't have a country we recognize.
 
I am starting to wonder if China/MSM/commiecrats  are running a panic scheme on us, designed to get us shut down.

Ding, ding, ding!  We have a winner!  Anything to defeat GOP election hopes in November.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 23, 2020, 08:12:59 AM
The supposed safety of youth is being reconsidered.
Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fauci-u-s-looking-very-closely-severe-coronavirus-symptoms-younger-n1166026
Top U.S. health officials are "looking very closely" at reports that a much higher percentage of younger Americans than expected need hospitalization as a result of contracting the coronavirus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sunday.

"It looks like there is a big difference between that demography from China and what we're seeing in Europe," Fauci said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 23, 2020, 08:12:59 AM
The supposed safety of youth is being reconsidered.

I read that some young Olympic Athlete  from South Africa got the virus and while he is recovering, he said it apparently kicked his ass more than any other illness he'd ever had. Maybe there are genetic, and not just "underlying issue" variables to the thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 23, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
I read that some young Olympic Athlete  from South Africa got the virus and while he is recovering, he said it apparently kicked his ass more than any other illness he'd ever had. Maybe there are genetic, and not just "underlying issue" variables to the thing.
Or he just never got a bad case of the flu before.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 23, 2020, 08:48:48 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

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“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.

This does not mean that Covid-19 did not contribute to a patient's death, rather it demonstrates that Italy's fatality toll has surged as a large proportion of patients have underlying health conditions. Experts have also warned against making direct comparisons between countries due to discrepancies in testing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:04:57 AM
Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:04:57 AM
Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.

Pelosi and many other dems are quite experienced in the game of inserting something into bills like this that they know if noticed will either get the bill block by the Rs or vetoed by the president. They then go on TV and loudly proclaim how this shows how president doesn't care for the poor helpless people while they and the MSM bury the story of the offending parts of the bill.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:30:44 AM
One of the local hospitala setting up tents
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
Pelosi and many other dems are quite experienced in the game of inserting something into bills like this that they know if noticed will either get the bill block by the Rs or vetoed by the president. They then go on TV and loudly proclaim how this shows how president doesn't care for the poor helpless people while they and the MSM bury the story of the offending parts of the bill.

And it's not like Rs don't try to do the same in most instances, but this is clearly a bill (regardless of how I personally feel about tossing this kind of money around) that needs less of the 100% unrelated pork and to just get passed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:04:57 AM
Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.

I read it was related to the bailout to industry and the Dems wanted more restrictions.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-22/senate-leaders-close-in-on-multi-trillion-economic-rescue-package

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While the two sides agree on major parts of the bill, they remain far apart on some elements. Democrats say that a $500 billion fund to bail out industries hard-hit by the economic disruption caused by the virus amounts to a “corporate slush fund” that the administration could use to reward its friends. And, they say, the bill doesn’t contain enough protections against layoffs by businesses that get federal help.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:30:44 AM
One of the local hospitala setting up tents

Mine did last week, tents were set up to screen individuals and test those that fit the criteria.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:33:10 AM
And it's not like Rs don't try to do the same in most instances, but this is clearly a bill (regardless of how I personally feel about tossing this kind of money around) that needs less of the 100% unrelated pork and to just get passed.

Huge difference is that the Rs usually don't have the MSM putting up smoke screens for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:42:12 AM
This thread is getting big enough that I may have missed this already being covered here, but apparently Italy is saying, "no respirators for those 60 and older". Considering average life expectancy for an otherwise healthy person, that' a relatively young age for the cutoff.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
Huge difference is that the Rs usually don't have the MSM putting up smoke screens for them.

True. If this were reversed it would be the screaming, "hang them!" news this morning on the usual cable news channels.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:42:12 AM
This thread is getting big enough that I may have missed this already being covered here, but apparently Italy is saying, "no respirators for those 60 and older". Considering average life expectancy for an otherwise healthy person, that' a relatively young age for the cutoff.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

I wonder if 60 is retirement age in Italy? When resources are limited, you save the ones who aren't a drain on the system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
I read it was related to the bailout to industry and the Dems wanted more restrictions.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-22/senate-leaders-close-in-on-multi-trillion-economic-rescue-package

That's part of it, and the only part that places like the Times seem to be reporting. Trump seems to actually be on board regarding the stock buybacks, etc, and a back and forth on that is appropriate as it's directly related to the response bill. Planned parenthood (or the NRA if somebody on the right wants to fund them) is inappropriate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 23, 2020, 09:51:58 AM
CNN January 17th 2020

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

The rhetoric about the lack of tests for the whole country and how the government dropped the ball is politicking.

Jan 17th and they are reporting 2 dead in China.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
I wonder if 60 is retirement age in Italy? When resources are limited, you save the ones who aren't a drain on the system.

If we did that here, there would be a pretty big demographic of welfare recipients with $200 basketball shoes and $1000 iPhones that wouldn't be put on a respirator. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
That's part of it, and the only part that places like the Times seem to be reporting. Trump seems to actually be on board regarding the stock buybacks, etc, and a back and forth on that is appropriate as it's directly related to the response bill. Planned parenthood (or the NRA if somebody on the right wants to fund them) is inappropriate.

I believe everyone in the House has gone home, so if they put the PP in it, they won't be there to vote in favor of any amendments from the Senate. Likewise if a senator put the PP in the bill, the house would have to vote for that amendment if it passes the Senate. BS detector is going crazy with this one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
If we did that here, there would be a pretty big demographic of welfare recipients with $200 basketball shoes and $1000 iPhones that wouldn't be put on a respirator. :)

If it got bad enough here I can see that happening, mostly because the folks you mentioned would be going to the ER for care vs. the productive ones using their GP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 09:54:27 AM
BS detector is going crazy with this one.

The right and left reporting on it:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sasse-rips-pelosi-for-trying-to-smuggle-hyde-amendment-loophole-into-coronavirus-package/

https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-debate-coronavirus-package-response-1492218
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
The right and left reporting on it:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sasse-rips-pelosi-for-trying-to-smuggle-hyde-amendment-loophole-into-coronavirus-package/

https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-debate-coronavirus-package-response-1492218

Sounds like it was killed before it passed the house, at least it read that way in the first article you posted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
Indiana

Gov. Holcomb signs stay-at-home executive order for Indiana
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/holcomb-signs-stay-at-home-executive-order-indiana/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Well there went the Vit D

Former CDC Chief Dr. Tom Frieden: Coronavirus infection risk may be reduced by Vitamin D
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/former-cdc-chief-tom-frieden-coronavirus-risk-may-be-reduced-with-vitamin-d
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
Sounds like it was killed before it passed the house, at least it read that way in the first article you posted.

If it was, there should be no reason for the hold up today. Though I saw the dems are also trying to sneak in lastminute green new deal stuff, so there may be new hurdles.

At any rate, at least general public opinion seems to be against them for once.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 12:58:39 PM
If it was, there should be no reason for the hold up today. Though I saw the dems are also trying to sneak in lastminute green new deal stuff, so there may be new hurdles.

At any rate, at least general public opinion seems to be against them for once.

Last minute from the House right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
Last minute from the House right?

IDK, because from what I read, it's the senate bill that is being kiboshed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
One Boeing worker in Everett has died from the Wuhan virus.

2 people at my worksite are "presumed positive" for it now too.  My ride was working in their area on Friday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
IDK, because from what I read, it's the senate bill that is being kiboshed.

Only because of the Dems not liking how the corporate bailout is being handled.

The other stuff was removed or not included before the House passed it. Basically can't use that as the reasons anymore.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Looks like it has gone back to the house, and it's now green new deal and a boatload of other non-pandemic stuff being added to the already 1800 pages.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/23/disgusting-heres-how-nancy-pelosi-is-using-house-dems-covid19-stimulus-bill-to-put-a-gun-to-the-head-of-america-right-now/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2020, 01:10:16 PM
You have to sign it to find out what's in it
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 01:16:50 PM
Boeing halting Puget Sound production for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 23, 2020, 01:17:28 PM
Boeing has just announced they are suspending all Puget Sound production for 14 days, starting on March 25th.  10 days of that will be paid.  Boeing is one of the main economic drivers for Washington state, so this will be interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Looks like it has gone back to the house, and it's now green new deal and a boatload of other non-pandemic stuff being added to the already 1800 pages.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/23/disgusting-heres-how-nancy-pelosi-is-using-house-dems-covid19-stimulus-bill-to-put-a-gun-to-the-head-of-america-right-now/



All bullscat, house is adjorned and in recess

http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 23, 2020, 01:25:45 PM
We went to the local Walmart Supercenter this morning, arriving at 15 minutes after opening at 0700.  They actually had toilet paper and paper towels on the shelves, albeit it was gone by 0800. We scored a multi-pack of Cottonelle.  The canned vegetables, beans and soups were pretty sparse and I picked up the last bag of AP flour and there were 20 bags of sugar left on the shelf. I also got the last pail of cat litter.  Ample supplies of all produce but minimal amounts of meat and chicken. I was able to score two pounds of ground beef to make a batch of chili.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
All bullscat, house is adjorned and in recess

http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx

Different bill:

Quote
House Dems circulate 1,119-page stimulus bill - entitled the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act - that Pelosi will introduce this afternoon
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 23, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
One of the Dallas plumbing companies is advertising a free roll of TP with every service job. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:26:54 PM
Different bill:


and not going to happen in the immediate future

Quote
Last Floor Action:
 11:33:55 A.M. - The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
and from https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/32320


Quote
NewsroomPelosi Statement Ahead of Unveiling of Democrats’ Third Coronavirus Response Bill






 March 23, 2020   
|  Press Release   





Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi released this statement ahead of the unveiling of House Democrats’ third coronavirus response bill, the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act:

“The Senate Republicans’ bill, as presented, put corporations first, not workers and families.  Today, House Democrats will unveil a bill that takes responsibility for the health, wages and well-being of America’s workers: the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.

“Democrats Take Responsibility:
•For our workers and small businesses: our bill requires that any corporation that takes taxpayer dollars must protect their workers’ wages and benefits – not CEO pay, stock buybacks or layoffs.  It gives our small businesses fast relief with grants and loans to tide them through this crisis.  And it strengthens Unemployment Insurance so that it can replace the average wages of our workers who are losing their jobs and hours.
•For our doctors, nurses, health care workers and first responders: It gives hospitals and other health institutions the desperately needed funds to provide treatment and care to all those who are sick and to ensure they have the Personal Protective Equipment to protect health care workers and first responders.  It protects our health care workers by requiring the Administration to enforce our stronger Occupational Safety and Health Administration protections.  At the same time, it calls for the president to invoke the Defense Production Act immediately.
•For our families: It gives direct payments to America’s families in a robust way and strengthens Child Tax Credits and the Earned Income Tax Credit.  It gives more workers the security of guaranteed paid family and medical leave, including those caring for our seniors.  And it makes coronavirus treatment free for the patient.
•For our students: Pumps nearly $40 billion into schools and universities, with $30 billion directly provided to states to help them stabilize their funding for schools and nearly $10 billion to help alleviate the harm caused by coronavirus on higher education institutions, while providing them with added flexibility to continue operating during the crisis.  The legislation also helps current borrowers with their student debt burden and GI bill benefits.  We also bolster SNAP and other initiatives to address food insecurity.
•For our Democracy: Ensures that states can carry out this year’s election with billions in grant funding for states through the Election Assistance Commission and a national requirement for both 15 days of early voting and no-excuse absentee vote-by-mail, including mailing a ballot to all registered voters in an emergency.

“I am grateful to our Committee Chairs and members for their extraordinary work for America’s workers and families.  Because of the Senate Democrats,  progress has been made.  We urge the Senate to move closer to the values in the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
and not going to happen in the immediate future


Good. Maybe it will die.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 23, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 23, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
Good. Maybe it will die.

Same here.  I'm not seeing a lot to like in Pelosi's statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 23, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
I'm old enough to goto Walmart tomorrow when it opens an hour early just for seniors.  Ugh, 06:00.  I'll need to have everybody here make a shopping list for me to make it worth the effort.  (meat, peroxide, 8 or so rolls of TP, fresh produce, get Mom's glasses fixed, etc)  I dont know why they sell out of peroxide; maybe because it's next to the rubbing alcohol?

And I wonder if I can get some kind of credentials for my younger brother to use when I go back to MN so he can get in early; he's not 60 yet but he's close, and he's caring for my almost-90 parents.

20 more days to Easter, when I can have a beer again.  Doing without hasn't been all *that* hard but I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 01:47:09 PM
^^^ Got the ingredients for a couple batches of homebrew.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 23, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
Winnebago Industries is temporary closing factories for the foreseeable future and going to pay 5000 employees two weeks pay and benefits.

Winnebago has factories in counties along the IA and MN border, seems like there are recent positive Covid-19 people in those counties with factories.

https://www.kimt.com/content/news/Winnebago-to-temporarily-suspend-production-569023461.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on March 23, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
One Boeing worker in Everett has died from the Wuhan virus.

2 people at my worksite are "presumed positive" for it now too.  My ride was working in their area on Friday.

what's that mean for you with your health situation?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 23, 2020, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 22, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
Well...the rumor is that there's been some incidents in the local high end grocery store parking lot (Wegman's).  Apparently there's now a permanent police presence. 
I found it odd that very recently, the county put some of those solar powered cameras in the Walmart parking lot...like early Feb they suddenly appeared...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/blue-flashing-lights-in-walmart-parking-lot-are-crime-fighters/ar-BBYDMH0 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/blue-flashing-lights-in-walmart-parking-lot-are-crime-fighters/ar-BBYDMH0)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on March 23, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
what's that mean for you with your health situation?

I don't think seizures, or PD, puts me at any higher risk than the general public.  I'll look that up though to be sure.

My wife has Celiac's and in general a weaker immune system than I do.  I'd honestly be more worried if she got it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
 The Madness of Crowds. Hysteria in the Age of the Internet. Or like some guy (and I wish I knew who) once said,
"occasionally, entire societies go batshit crazy".  

 ^^ That is the charitable view.  aka accidental hysteria. The other one is we are being played deliberately.

 We are treating a hangnail with a chainsaw, destroying lives and jobs and social structures and most likely all our civil liberties,
 enabling and cheering on vast government expansions of power, for a virus. A virus with a minuscule mortality rate.


Our ancestors survived polio, smallpox, scarlet fever and a host of other ills without antibiotics or anesthesia,  and I suspect would be sickened to their core over how a bunch moderns willingly give up the country they built with their efforts.


 "A Republic, if you can keep it."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 23, 2020, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 23, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
I dont know why they sell out of peroxide; maybe because it's next to the rubbing alcohol?


I read somewhere peroxide is effective at killing this virus.  Probably others as well.

Quote from: zxcvbob on March 23, 2020, 01:43:42 PM

20 more days to Easter, when I can have a beer again.  Doing without hasn't been all *that* hard but I'm looking forward to it.

And now I'm thirsty for a beer . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
I don't think seizures, or PD, puts me at any higher risk than the general public.  I'll look that up though to be sure.

My wife has Celiac's and in general a weaker immune system than I do.  I'd honestly be more worried if she got it.

So a quick perusal of an epilepsy site and a PD site indicated I'm not at any higher risk of contracting the disease.  Note that some people with one or both diagnoses can have higher risks, but that depends on things like the medications they're taking and other factors specific to their experience with the disease.  

However, I could be at increased risk of additional seizures if I get Covid-19 (or any severe illness).  PD can also be made worse but again, other illnesses can do that too.  It just depends on many personal factors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 23, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
So a quick perusal of an epilepsy site and a PD site indicated I'm not at any higher risk of contracting the disease.  Note that some people with one or both diagnoses can have higher risks, but that depends on things like the medications they're taking and other factors specific to their experience with the disease.  

However, I could be at increased risk of additional seizures if I get Covid-19 (or any severe illness).  PD can also be made worse but again, other illnesses can do that too.  It just depends on many personal factors.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You may want to contact you're doctor and see if there are any options for emergency anti seizure drugs if you get it or a kit with something your wife can stab you with if you go into a bad one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 23, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
I made a trip south this weekend to Castle Key's place. I left Seren there.

My daycare options for her are getting more limited quickly.

Not sure what would happen if a shelter in place order is given -- my job is considered essential to national security and I could be designated as essential. That would leave me in a serious bind if I were still required to work but couldn't get care for Seren.

So, as much as I hated to do it, Seren's now on vacation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 23, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 01:47:09 PM
^^^ Got the ingredients for a couple batches of homebrew.

A little over a month ago I brewed an experimental wheat beer using loaves of cheap white bread for half of the grist.  When I bottled it, it was still cloudy and had very little flavor.  When I sampled one just before Lent, it was still kind of green and not fully carbonated, and it tasted overpoweringly of orange peel and coriander -- I didn't think I used all that much orange or coriander.  I'm curious to see how it turns out with a little age.

I have over 100 lbs of malt in my basement and several pounds of hops in the freezer.  That kinda fits the prepping thread, right? 8)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 23, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
The Madness of Crowds. Hysteria in the Age of the Internet. Or like some guy (and I wish I knew who) once said,
"occasionally, entire societies go batshit crazy".  

 ^^ That is the charitable view.  aka accidental hysteria. The other one is we are being played deliberately.

 We are treating a hangnail with a chainsaw, destroying lives and jobs and social structures and most likely all our civil liberties,
 enabling and cheering on vast government expansions of power, for a virus. A virus with a minuscule mortality rate.


Our ancestors survived polio, smallpox, scarlet fever and a host of other ills without antibiotics or anesthesia,  and I suspect would be sickened to their core over how a bunch moderns willingly give up the country they built with their efforts.


 "A Republic, if you can keep it."

Preach it, brother!  You speak much wisdom.  Just be prepared to be castigated by a few folks on here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 23, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 23, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Preach it, brother!  You speak much wisdom.  Just be prepared to be castigated by a few folks on here.

We need to split off in to tribes.
On one side of the island, The howler monkeys of doom. On the other side of the island, The Chip Diller fan club.
 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 23, 2020, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 23, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
We need to split off in to tribes.
On one side of the island, The howler monkeys of doom. On the other side of the island, The Chip Diller fan club.
 =D

I had to look up Chip Diller, having forgotten about him.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 23, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
Governor Inslee of Washington state is having a press conference at 1730 today.  There is much conjecture that he may order a state-wide lockdown.  We will see.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on March 23, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
At the WH press conference today, one of the reporters, rather than following her colleagues and asking the same question in a slightly different way for the seventeenth time, asked (paraphrase) “If you want to go back to business as usual in a couple weeks, why do we need a two trillion dollar stimulus package?”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 23, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
The Madness of Crowds. Hysteria in the Age of the Internet. Or like some guy (and I wish I knew who) once said,
"occasionally, entire societies go batshit crazy".  

 ^^ That is the charitable view.  aka accidental hysteria. The other one is we are being played deliberately.

 We are treating a hangnail with a chainsaw, destroying lives and jobs and social structures and most likely all our civil liberties,
 enabling and cheering on vast government expansions of power, for a virus. A virus with a minuscule mortality rate.


Our ancestors survived polio, smallpox, scarlet fever and a host of other ills without antibiotics or anesthesia,  and I suspect would be sickened to their core over how a bunch moderns willingly give up the country they built with their efforts.


 "A Republic, if you can keep it."

I don't see anything wrong with slowing business down, keeping supply chains afloat and food growing, but just coasting through a highly communicable disease like this, to slow its spread.

Nothing in the response plan that anyone is publicly selling involves giving up a country or embracing Socialism.

There's some aholes over in Mordor on the Potomac that have a bullshit 1800 page bill full of pork and fluff and transgendered unicorn aborshins.  Probably some gun control and 4A/5A/10A (hell, probably 3A too) breaches.  And there isn't a single sane regular old human being that thinks such a response is responsible in a situation where public discourse is effectively impossible and the "Democracy" or "Republic" or whatever form of representation we have going on here is broken due to curfews and quasi-martial-law.  

I'm glad humanity is past a place where doctors stuff leather masks full of posies and think that'll protect them from vapors that cause illness, and everyone else goes about their business with fatalism.  Those guys handled the Black Plague the best they could.  We've got our own to deal with.  One hopes we can do better.

I hope in 200 years, humanity looks at our doctors and scoffs at their barbarous "treatments" in light of the new revelations discovered in the intervening time.

Our current state of science demonstrates that reducing human intercourse can dramatically slow transmission of this disease.  And that treatment capability of our medical system is insufficient for a free for all outbreak.  Maybe in the future there will be a better mechanism to deal with such a thing.  But embracing social norms of 100-year gone societies that had so much wrong to them from a health perspective is no way to combat this disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 23, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 23, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
Governor Inslee of Washington state is having a press conference at 1730 today.  There is much conjecture that he may order a state-wide lockdown.  We will see.

PACCAR is stopping truck and engine production, worldwide, for 2 weeks.  All other functions will continue to operate, from home if possible.  If Inslee does issue a lockdown it's uncertain what will happen at my location.  We were told that if we have to miss work as a result that we can use sick leave first, then floating holidays, then vacation time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 23, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
While I'm in the howler monkeys of doom category, precautionary principle, abundance of caution etc. I'm very much listening to the other "side".

This whole thing is weird, doesn't add up and has so many inconsistentcies that I'm open to other explanations.

Meanwhile... Stay safe
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
So, apparently based on a 2007 law, Nevada gun shops stay open as an essential business. Good for them.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/guns-and-ammunition-sellers-allowed-to-operate-exempted-in-law-from-nonessential-business-shutdown
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 23, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
Washington state is now under a mandatory 'stay at home' order for at least the next two weeks. You can go grocery shopping, pick up prescriptions and go to medical appointments. All non-essential businesses are closed.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inslee-to-hold-televised-address-monday-evening-to-announce-enhanced-strategies-on-covid-19/

ETA: list of essential business in Washington.  Firearms not on the list.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6817885-FINAL-WA-Essential-Critical-Infrastructure.html?fbclid=IwAR1wZPS2ZJY5lrNfoHEL49nXVr5xmkS2EwdSIjRol5GRp0wHnGPbcgw_YJM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 23, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 23, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
I made a trip south this weekend to Castle Key's place. I left Seren there.

My daycare options for her are getting more limited quickly.

Not sure what would happen if a shelter in place order is given -- my job is considered essential to national security and I could be designated as essential. That would leave me in a serious bind if I were still required to work but couldn't get care for Seren.

So, as much as I hated to do it, Seren's now on vacation.

I’m sure she is loving it. Sounds terrible but having buried two dogs since Christmas Eve I am relieved that I do not currently have to take care of another living thing. My chickens can go two weeks on extra food and bugs. I’m makes get home  or not decisions less dire.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 23, 2020, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: French G. on March 23, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
I’m sure she is loving it. Sounds terrible but having buried two dogs since Christmas Eve I am relieved that I do not currently have to take care of another living thing. My chickens can go two weeks on extra food and bugs. I’m makes he hurt me or not decisions less dire.

That's *expletive deleted*ing awful,  my condolences for your pups. 

Chickens on the other hand,  are basically retarded and only require food, water and shelter to thrive.  Past that they can take their chances.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 23, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
I don't see anything wrong with slowing business down, keeping supply chains afloat and food growing, but just coasting through a highly communicable disease like this, to slow its spread.

Nothing in the response plan that anyone is publicly selling involves giving up a country or embracing Socialism.

There's some aholes over in Mordor on the Potomac that have a bullshit 1800 page bill full of pork and fluff and transgendered unicorn aborshins.  Probably some gun control and 4A/5A/10A (hell, probably 3A too) breaches.  And there isn't a single sane regular old human being that thinks such a response is responsible in a situation where public discourse is effectively impossible and the "Democracy" or "Republic" or whatever form of representation we have going on here is broken due to curfews and quasi-martial-law.  

I'm glad humanity is past a place where doctors stuff leather masks full of posies and think that'll protect them from vapors that cause illness, and everyone else goes about their business with fatalism.  Those guys handled the Black Plague the best they could.  We've got our own to deal with.  One hopes we can do better.

I hope in 200 years, humanity looks at our doctors and scoffs at their barbarous "treatments" in light of the new revelations discovered in the intervening time.

Our current state of science demonstrates that reducing human intercourse can dramatically slow transmission of this disease.  And that treatment capability of our medical system is insufficient for a free for all outbreak.  Maybe in the future there will be a better mechanism to deal with such a thing.  But embracing social norms of 100-year gone societies that had so much wrong to them from a health perspective is no way to combat this disease.
point one, we can't slow it, we can only delay WHEN it happens. It is going to happen again, as soon as they let up on the restrictions.  Point two, this thing is not nearly so lethal as they make out-
 There are consequences to people who lose their jobs. There are consequences to lenders who lose loans, landlords that lose income, and on and on.
 I am the smallest of small time here, but still have contracts I cannot fulfill, parts at subcontractors I can't pick up, etc.
 
 IMO, What we are seeing is a dry run for martial law.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 23, 2020, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on March 23, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
point one, we can't slow it, we can only delay WHEN it happens. It is going to happen again, as soon as they let up on the restrictions.  Point two, this thing is not nearly so lethal as they make out-
 There are consequences to people who lose their jobs. There are consequences to lenders who lose loans, landlords that lose income, and on and on.
 I am the smallest of small time here, but still have contracts I cannot fulfill, parts at subcontractors I can't pick up, etc.
 
 IMO, What we are seeing is a dry run for martial law.

Errr... Slowing it down is delaying it.

How do you not get this? We slow it down, delay the impact so cases trickle into hospital, not flood it. Eventually, it will (hopefully) go through the majority of the population giving us an overall herd immunity.
But if we just let everyone run around, spreading germs willy nilly, the hospitals will get overrun by all those high risk people that you don't seem to give a hoot about (like me) and not have the resources to take care of everyone (including people like you, who aren't in any real danger from corvid-19, but still have the normal risks like getting hit by a bus, which hope you do) 

And if it comes to martial law, well then Boogalo, which I am always ready to do. Are you?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 23, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
Not sure if it was this thread or another but saw someone ask who do we sacrifice.

Being high risk if it would save my wife and daughter and the economy for the rest of you I'm up for it. My dad is almost 80 and I'm sure he would look at it and make his own choice. My best friend just turned 70. He has two Purple Hearts because as he says he was stupid enough to go get shot again. He would do anything for his family and I see him do it every day.

So yes I will if it is needed.

Jim
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: p12 on March 23, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
Being asthmatic I’m on the side of slowing this *expletive deleted*it down.

Unfortunately our county officials deem my employer essential. Car repair shop. Really?

Given the choice I would hole up for 4-6 weeks or longer if necessary to not risk the severe complications of asthma and the kung flu. My pocketbook can absorb it. My health can’t. Can’t quit my job then I lose my insurance.

Just praying that I don’t get sick.

I’m reading of possible numbers from China are way way way under reality.

Italy last I checked is at 9.5 percent mortality. They were behind the 8 ball before when this *expletive deleted*it got wound up.

I think the US is trying to get ahead of this *expletive deleted*it so we don’t wind up with percentages like Italy.

Was there another way to handle it. I can think of one. But I’m not an infectious disease expert.

Damned if we do damned if we don’t.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 23, 2020, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: p12 on March 23, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
Being asthmatic I’m on the side of slowing this *expletive deleted*it down.

Unfortunately our county officials deem my employer essential. Car repair shop. Really?

Given the choice I would hole up for 4-6 weeks or longer if necessary to not risk the severe complications of asthma and the kung flu. My pocketbook can absorb it. My health can’t. Can’t quit my job then I lose my insurance.

Just praying that I don’t get sick.

I’m reading of possible numbers from China are way way way under reality.

Italy last I checked is at 9.5 percent mortality. They were behind the 8 ball before when this *expletive deleted*it got wound up.

I think the US is trying to get ahead of this *expletive deleted*it so we don’t wind up with percentages like Italy.

Was there another way to handle it. I can think of one. But I’m not an infectious disease expert.

Damned if we do damned if we don’t.

Yes, I think not being Italy is what drives a lot of the draconian measures.

A car repair shop is definitely essential. People working in other essential industries need transportation back and forth, at the very least. My company sells lighting to retirement homes and hospitals and first responders and the barge industry, so we're up and running, though our county is on Stay at Home. Turns out a whole lot of stuff is essential.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 24, 2020, 12:50:10 AM
What if I told you you can take this seriously, socially distance, flatten the curve and yet not run around like a howler monkey of doom? We will get through this.

Little worried about the language against hoarders. It is a slippery slope down to the people's committee inspecting your pantry. I had three months of food and 4 metric buttloads of ammo before this started. Hoarder or just trying to insure my tribe against pretty much this?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: French G. on March 24, 2020, 12:50:10 AM

Little worried about the language against hoarders. It is a slippery slope down to the people's committee inspecting your pantry. I had three months of food and 4 metric buttloads of ammo before this started. Hoarder or just trying to insure my tribe against pretty much this?

Yeah, the paranoid part of me gets a little nervous about what the AG said about this. Sounds a little like red flag laws. I'm sure at this point it's just somebody with 20 cases of TP at the checkout line (which really should just be handled by the store - how hard is it to make a "2 items only" sign?).

However, I could easily see how the "jealous and unprepared neighbor" thing could come into play. Whether they just see their neighbor coming home with a carload of stuff, or know that their neighbor is a prepper. And I don't mean in the "doomsday prepper" sense, but people like us who might have a shelf full of freeze dried food in their garage or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 24, 2020, 09:14:15 AM
Here's another reason car repair techs could be considered essential:

https://sifted.eu/articles/coronavirus-windscreen-ventilator/ (https://sifted.eu/articles/coronavirus-windscreen-ventilator/)

Apparently, an emergency ventilator can be made out of a respirator bag and a windshield wiper motor.

Ingenuity and innovation are at their best during times of crisis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
"Preppers" probably already had a lot of supplies.  They weren't the ones depleting the stores in the last few weeks.  That was the people who hadn't prepared and made panicked purchases.  I was partially prepared but I loaded up on some extras in February before the stores got raided.  Am I responsible for the shortages?  I don't think so.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: French G. on March 24, 2020, 12:50:10 AM
What if I told you you can take this seriously, socially distance, flatten the curve and yet not run around like a howler monkey of doom? We will get through this.

Little worried about the language against hoarders. It is a slippery slope down to the people's committee inspecting your pantry. I had three months of food and 4 metric buttloads of ammo before this started. Hoarder or just trying to insure my tribe against pretty much this?
That is something I think we need to look carefully at.  Could we take reasonable steps to be careful without shutting down everything?  Could we take steps to quarantine, separate, and support the people who are most at risk without shutting down the entire economy?  It seems to me it would be easier to do that.  I guess politicians feel like the are "doing something" only when they get do heavy handed actions. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 24, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
"Preppers" probably already had a lot of supplies.  They weren't the ones depleting the stores in the last few weeks.  That was the people who hadn't prepared and made panicked purchases.  I was partially prepared but I loaded up on some extras in February before the stores got raided.  Am I responsible for the shortages?  I don't think so.  

Responsible for the shortages? Actually quite the contrary.

I did as you did and purchased a little extra in February. (And we tend to have a good amount of food on hand, anyway.)

Today? Our grocery bill has been MUCH smaller the past two weeks because we're not buying anything but milk, effectively.

People who planned ahead are mitigating the shortages, not causing them.

It was the people who don't plan ahead and who panic-bought everything they could get their hands on.

(Related: why are the stores out of kale, spinach, onions, etc...? Do greens have some ability to ward off coronavirus spreaders like garlic with vampires?)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 24, 2020, 09:31:22 AM
Unless and until I hear differently, I'm scheduled to start a new job on April 13 -- at a hospital! At this point, I don't know whether to hope it starts on schedule or to hope it gets deferred. I desperately need the income, but I'm very much in the high-risk population for COVID-19: I'm in my 70s, I have a heart condition, I have a long history of pneumonia, and a year ago I was hospitalized with a collapsed lung. If I were to come down with this coronavirus, I tend to think it would not be a good thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
Tokyo Olympics being pushed back to summer 2021
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
Amazon warehouse in Shepherdsville, Ky. hit with 3 COVID-19 cases, employees told
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/amazon-warehouse-in-shepherdsville-ky-hit-with-covid--cases/article_fa176a18-6d71-11ea-9c01-33288c402c9b.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 24, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 24, 2020, 09:31:22 AM
Unless and until I hear differently, I'm scheduled to start a new job on April 13 -- at a hospital! At this point, I don't know whether to hope it starts on schedule or to hope it gets deferred. I desperately need the income, but I'm very much in the high-risk population for COVID-19: I'm in my 70s, I have a heart condition, I have a long history of pneumonia, and a year ago I was hospitalized with a collapsed lung. If I were to come down with this coronavirus, I tend to think it would not be a good thing.

I was wondering if you had started yet. A lot of VA employees are going to tele-work. I don't know if they are still doing New Employee orientations or not, we did one last week. I too am in a high risk group, >65 and cancer survivor so I think I will start working from home is a day or so, my job is able to do that. Seeing how you are still 2 weeks out from your NEO you may get to start on time. I hope so on one hand, but then again suggest caution of course.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Protip: There's a difference between Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine phosphate. I can't help but wonder if these people were amateur preppers, as there is that big thing in the hardcore prepper community about fish antibiotics, and maybe these people thought, "same thing." Nevermind self-medicating when you're not even sick.

Of course the MSM and the left are blaming Trump, because they flunked High School chemistry. This NYT article is actually one of the less TDS reports.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/chloroquine-poisoning-coronavirus.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 24, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Protip: There's a difference between Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine phosphate. I can't help but wonder if these people were amateur preppers, as there is that big thing in the hardcore prepper community about fish antibiotics, and maybe these people thought, "same thing." Nevermind self-medicating when you're not even sick.

Of course the MSM and the left are blaming Trump, because they flunked High School chemistry. This NYT article is actually one of the less TDS reports.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/chloroquine-poisoning-coronavirus.html



A friend of mine and I were just talking about that, then I mentioned overdosing on fat soluble vitamins due to the one guy saying vitamin D will cure/prevent it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Turns out gunshops in addition to liquor stores are exempt from the retail shutdown in Kentucky.
So the liquor stores and gun shops are open  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 24, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
Florida Spring breakers are testing positive for coronavirus.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/

Now, whoever might have predicted that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: charby on March 24, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
A friend of mine and I were just talking about that, then I mentioned overdosing on fat soluble vitamins due to the one guy saying vitamin D will cure/prevent it.

Yeah, I've been seeing Vitamin D and I think zinc(?) as "preventatives". I haven't been to the Costco or other big boxes, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are cleared out of vitamins and that some people are saying, 'Hey, if one a day is good, ten is better!"

I've been reading about the D, which is interesting. I just get mine from milk and sun. I'm surprised (as a layman) that the B vitamins don't seem to be mentioned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Turns out gunshops in addition to liquor stores are exempt from the retail shutdown in Kentucky.
So the liquor stores and gun shops are open  :lol:


(https://www.thecheapplace.com/image/cache/data/additional_images/2018/3/atf-should-be-a-convenience-store-patch-6-500x500.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 24, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
Florida Spring breakers are testing positive for coronavirus.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/

Now, whoever might have predicted that?

No one should be surprised.

(https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2020/03/19/corona-idiots-637x397.jpeg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 24, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:47:43 AM
No one should be surprised.

(https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2020/03/19/corona-idiots-637x397.jpeg)

I remember that video. Everyone on it was a caricature of a New jersey meat head.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
Some of the stuff in Pelosi's "virus relief bill".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/24/omfg-nancy-whyyyy-hilariously-infuriating-thread-breaks-down-nancy-pelosis-coronavirus-bill-bit-by-pork-filled-bit/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
Some of the stuff in Pelosi's "virus relief bill".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/24/omfg-nancy-whyyyy-hilariously-infuriating-thread-breaks-down-nancy-pelosis-coronavirus-bill-bit-by-pork-filled-bit/



3/4 of anything I would have to say about this at this moment would consist of *expletive deleted*
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 24, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:45:12 AM
. I'm surprised (as a layman) that the B vitamins don't seem to be mentioned.

B vitamins are water soluble, you piss out what you don't need at the time, so you need to take them everyday. A healthy balanced diet will get you all the B vitamins you need.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Looks like stores are slowly returning to something more normal in Northern Virginia.

I stopped by Giant after I got home last night. An OK selection of meat, still not much ground turkey, but more ground beef and some more chicken.

Sliced cheese was pretty picked over but there was plenty of shredded and block cheese.

Lunch meat, sausage, and hot dogs were in OK supply.

Milk was thin, but they had half and half.

Frozen veggies were short supply, but most fresh veggies and produce, including potatoes and onions, were present.

What was odd, though, were the things that were picked over...

Ice cream, cookies and snacks, and frozen fruit were pretty much wiped out. My best guess is that we're now seeing the transition between essential supplies and comfort supplies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs
The Red Tape Pandemic - John Stossel

Interesting stuff on why it took so long to get the virus testing moving.    
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 24, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Looks like stores are slowly returning to something more normal in Northern Virginia.
I stopped by Giant after I got home last night. An OK selection of meat, still not much ground turkey, but more ground beef and some more chicken.
Sliced cheese was pretty picked over but there was plenty of shredded and block cheese.
Lunch meat, sausage, and hot dogs were in OK supply.
Milk was thin, but they had half and half.
Frozen veggies were short supply, but most fresh veggies and produce, including potatoes and onions, were present.
What was odd, though, were the things that were picked over...
Ice cream, cookies and snacks, and frozen fruit were pretty much wiped out. My best guess is that we're now seeing the transition between essential supplies and comfort supplies.

I was the designated shopper this morning for the first day of seniors only shopping at Walmart.  The paper goods aisle was almost wiped out, but they were *slowly* restocking it; probably pacing the stock to last most of the day.  I did get a 6-roll pack of TP and 2 rolls of paper towels (and that's all I wanted anyway) 

Most of the other aisles were well-stocked, but with strange outages.  The Blue Bell ice cream was all gone except for a little chocolate and vanilla in an endcase.  The all-purpose and bread flour was sold out, but they had cake flour.  The meat and fresh produce was fully stocked.  They were out of Owens sausage (one of the things on my list) but they had Jimmy Dean, so that was close enough. 

The dried beans shelf was empty except for garbanzo beans they had lots of those.  I guess people don't know what to do with them.  I didn't check the rice.  Breakfast cereal looked a little thin.

The only 2 things on my list that i didn't find at all were hydrogen peroxide and disinfectant wipes.  I may make some wet wipes out of paper napkins and E85 fuel (leave the gas can open overnight so the most volatile gasoline fractions, like butane, can evaporate) and store them in a ziplock freezer bag.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 12:32:46 PM
If I *expletive deleted* didn't have *expletive deleted* high blood pressure before I *expletive deleted* do now.

Pelosi 'Relief' Bill Includes a Massive Power Grab On Elections
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/24/as-americans-suffer-democrats-are-engaged-in-a-massive-power-grab-over-elections-n2565601
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
If you want to get the alcohol out of gasoline isn't there an easy way of doing that?

I think it involves water? Check youtoob.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 24, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 24, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
The only 2 things on my list that i didn't find at all were hydrogen peroxide and disinfectant wipes.  I may make some wet wipes out of paper napkins and E85 fuel (leave the gas can open overnight so the most volatile gasoline fractions, like butane, can evaporate) and store them in a ziplock freezer bag.

Please don't.  Gasoline has lots of nasty stuff in it, which you don't want on your surfaces and evaporating rapidly into your living environment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on March 24, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
I think a food shortage is a real possibility if this goes on. Our supply chain is geared toward the industrial food supplying restaurants and such where probably half of America normally eats. Now the retail grocery stream has to take up most of that need. Producers can’t just snap their fingers and presto retail products. Throw in port and border controls slowing things down, distribution system absenteeism and a bunch of waste because new cooks can’t.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2020, 12:42:53 PM
Fortunate there will be a ready supply of meat in the form of all of the people the Corona kills...

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Quote
They went on to say the jump from a one week to a one month wait, the report said, is due to the high volume of gun purchases in the tiny state:

I can see their point since they are overwhelmed but how much you want to bet they never let it expire?
How about trying eliminating the waiting period? Yeah I know

Rhode Island Executive Order More Than Quadruples Wait Time to Buy Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/rhode-island-executive-order-more-than-quadruples-wait-time-to-buy-guns/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2020, 12:42:53 PM
Fortunate there will be a ready supply of meat in the form of all of the people the Corona kills...



Taste like chicken people
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Did not expect this, wow

Illinois Governor Pritzker Gets it Right, Designates Gun and Ammunition Suppliers as Essential in Emergency
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/illinois-governor-pritzker-gets-it-right-designates-gun-and-ammunition-suppliers-essential/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 24, 2020, 01:16:54 PM
So I report for NEO at my new job on Monday.  At the local hospital that currently has 65 COVID 19 inpatients.  I am going there this afternoon for my pre-employment mandatory health screening. If you don't hear back from me, it was a pleasure serving with you all.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 24, 2020, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 24, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
Please don't.  Gasoline has lots of nasty stuff in it, which you don't want on your surfaces and evaporating rapidly into your living environment.

Okay, thanks.  I thought the 10% or so of gasoline left after you let the butane boil off wouldn't be that bad (you just wouldn't want to drink it)  But I guess it has benzene in it, and the EtOH part probably has a significant trace of methanol.  Should be alright for wiping down surfaces outside but probably not worth the risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 01:33:56 PM
So another part of the Pelosi bill is turning that "payout" money of $1200 into $1500 and a loan for those making $75K or more. I wouldn't have a problem with the loan part, since I hate seeing all this money spent, but my understanding is that they are just going to automatically send this dough out to taxpayers.

If it was an "opt-in", then you either take the money or not. If they just send it to you though, then tell the "evil rich" they have to give it back, it's kinda how the NRA would send you a video without asking, then demand you send them $29.95 or else.

At least it appears that even some democrats have had it with Pelosi's money grab for everything non-virus. Just because you add "to be used to prepare for coronavirus" to the text of your $35 million earmark to the Kennedy Center for performing Arts doesn't make it response related.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/24/democrats-hate-america-even-lefties-are-pissed-about-house-dems-plan-for-rebates-checks-in-coronavirus-relief-bill/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 01:33:56 PM
Just because you add "to be used to prepare for coronavirus" to the text of your $35 million earmark to the Kennedy Center for performing Arts doesn't make it response related.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the KC closed? What preparation is there to do Nancy?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 02:07:26 PM
Some days they don't even try to pretend

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Majority Whip James Clyburn (D., S.C.) told House Democrats last week that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/taking-hostages-sasse-slams-pelosi-for-adding-liberal-wish-list-to-emergency-coronavirus-bill/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 24, 2020, 02:17:06 PM
India is shut down for 21 days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Quote from: charby on March 24, 2020, 02:17:06 PM
India is shut down for 21 days.

I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie.

Coronavirus: India to enter 'total lockdown' after spike in cases
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2020, 02:26:19 PM
"I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie."

You mean it's not already?

Could have fooled me...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2020, 02:26:19 PM
"I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie."

You mean it's not already?

Could have fooled me...

You do have a point there. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 24, 2020, 02:32:43 PM
Behind paywall, but  https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-domestic-passenger-flights-could-virtually-shut-down-voluntarily-or-by-government-order-11585013673?mod=trending_now_pos1

US airlines are planning for either a voluntary or mandatory shutdown of domestic air travel.  Either due to low passenger census, making it uneconomical to operate the aircraft, or the air traffic control system shutting down due to staff shortages.  The airlines are hoping the Government does the shutdown to relieve them of contractual obigations to their unions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2020, 02:42:37 PM
The office I'm sitting in this week has a fantastic view over the runways and terminal at Dulles International.

When I was in this office last year while waiting on my clearances to sort out the place was simply alive. You could constantly see flights coming in, going out, taxiing and huge amounts of ground traffic.

Now? It's positively creepy just how dead the airport is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 24, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2020, 02:26:19 PM
"I fear India has the potential turn into something out of a apocalypse movie."

You mean it's not already?

Could have fooled me...

I almost moved there in 2001, at the time what I was reading it didn't seem any worse then some of the southern rural areas and bonus no one goes hungry in India unless they want too. This was the start of the training Indians to do call centers and they wanted Americans to teach conversational English and American mannerisms to folks. At the time it paid 2k a month, transportation to and from India with a RT anywhere in the world during each 6 month hitch, also included a 1 bedroom apartment, meals, and a servant to cook, do laundry and clean for you. I was getting ready to sign a 6 month contract then some aholes flew a plane into some buildings.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 03:17:39 PM
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BREAKING: LA County Sheriff tells me he is beginning to close county gun stores immediately. Deputies are currently going to the stores one by one to order them shut down. Sheriff to utilize scofflaw violations for any gun store still open after he deemed them nonessential @FOXLA

    — Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) March 24, 2020
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    The Sheriff told me he is a gun owner himself, supports 2nd amendment, but believes too many first time buyers are panicking and bringing guns into homes where people are locked down, which he believes is recipe for disaster with potential accidental shootings. @FOXLA

    — Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) March 24, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/24/breaking-la-county-sheriff-now-closing-gun-stores/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 24, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
If you want to get the alcohol out of gasoline isn't there an easy way of doing that?

I think it involves water? Check youtoob.

That transfers the alcohol from the gasoline to the water. I have no idea how to gauge the percentage of alcohol in the water after you drain off the gasoline.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 24, 2020, 03:58:51 PM
These old Marines. There's no way to get rid of them.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/87-year-old-marine-with-multiple-health-conditions-who-survived-coronavirus-the-marine-corps-trains-us-to-deal-with-adversity
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: charby on March 24, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
I almost moved there in 2001, at the time what I was reading it didn't seem any worse then some of the southern rural areas and bonus no one goes hungry in India unless they want too. This was the start of the training Indians to do call centers and they wanted Americans to teach conversational English and American mannerisms to folks. At the time it paid 2k a month, transportation to and from India with a RT anywhere in the world during each 6 month hitch, also included a 1 bedroom apartment, meals, and a servant to cook, do laundry and clean for you. I was getting ready to sign a 6 month contract then some aholes flew a plane into some buildings.
2k per month?  Isn't that a bit low?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 05:29:50 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 05:26:42 PM
2k per month?  Isn't that a bit low?

He'd have been living like a king on that pay rate back then.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 24, 2020, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 05:26:42 PM
2k per month?  Isn't that a bit low?

2001 and room/board included. Actually close to what a freshly graduated teacher in Iowa would of been paid at the time.

Teaching English in other countries doesn't pay that well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 05:42:17 PM
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A 40th birthday bash that a Connecticut woman held earlier this month is now being eyed by health experts as a suspected coronavirus “super-spreading event” after more than half of its 50 guests later tested positive for the sickness, a report says.
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A New York Times report on the gathering said its attendees left afterward for South Africa, New York City and other parts of Connecticut, while their children continued life as normal.

Connecticut party of 50 guests became coronavirus 'super-spreading event,' report says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/connecticut-gathering-of-50-people-dubbed-party-zero-for-coronavirus-spread-in-state
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 06:30:33 PM
And something similar to the above in the local news.
Someone decided to throw a Corona Virus party. Can you guess what happened? 
5 out of 5 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 24, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Took DW, to the hospital in Tyler today.  Traffic on I20 & the surface streets was down by about 50% (Tyler's on lock-down).  Those on the roads must have had someplace important to be, most everyone was doing at least 5 over the limit.  I didn't see more than the usual amount of cop cars.

There were 2 attendants wearing PPE at every entrance to the hospital, taking temps & asking questions - "been coughing lately?, been exposed?, etc."  The hallways & waiting rooms were almost vacant.  Where I'd usually pass 8-10 people in the halls I saw maybe one.  The waiting room we were in usually has at least 15 people, besides us there were two.  The doc seemed to be somewhat concerned about the virus, but didn't seem to think becoming a hermit was necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 06:49:23 PM
I'm going to post this and then go make myself a drink

No addition debt just mint two coins

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In an attempt to help ease the burden of the coronavirus pandemic on Americans, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., released a plan last week for what is essentially a temporary universal basic income (UBI) that would be distributed to all individuals in the United States, including illegal immigrants, and be funded by the printing of two $1 trillion coins.

"Hey @realdonaldTrump, let's provide relief from this crisis for people by giving pre-loaded debit cards to every person in America," Tlaib tweeted over the weekend. "No additional debt -- we'll just mint two coins."

The plan, outlined on Tlaib's website, would send a debit card with $2,000 pre-loaded on it to every person in the U.S. and reload it with $1,000 every month "until one year after the end of the Coronavirus crisis."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tlaib-coronavirus-debit-trillion-coins
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 06:53:22 PM
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The plan, outlined on Tlaib's website, would send a debit card with $2,000 pre-loaded on it to every person in the U.S. and reload it with $1,000 every month "until one year after the end of the Coronavirus crisis."

And for those fat cats who make $75K or more, your taxes will then go up $26,000/yr.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
Also:

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Ilhan Omar
✔
@IlhanMN

Any rescue package must:

1) Cancel student debt
2) Fund losses for small businesses and local governments
3) Ban evictions and foreclosures
4) Ban stock buybacks and executive bonuses

We need a groundswell of support for these critical measures!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 07:08:53 PM
To the extent that any publicly traded company receives money from Uncle Sugar they should be banned from stock buy backs or large executive bonuses until they've repaid any loans.  Any money they would have used should be repaid to the tax payers who funded them.  And ALL assistance should be in the form of loans.  Not loan guarantees, or grants.  They can be zero interest for all I care, but it shouldn't be gifts.

I'd still rather they let the bankruptcy process deal with things.  Maybe that would result in more competition down the road between large companies getting split up in the bankruptcy process, or simply by the big boys going through that allowing competition to spring up.  Airlines (sorry Fly320s) especially.  But even big companies like Boeing, or the cruise ships.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 24, 2020, 07:35:47 PM
How is this hard? All taxpayers get a single payout.

-if you have student loan debt, you pay student loan debt.
-if you have rent, you pay your rent.
-if you need food, you buy food.


It's just to make up for the paycheck that is presumably not coming this week (or next week or however long this lasts) and you're supposed to spend it on the same crap you normally have to spend your money on.

It's not the *expletive deleted*ing Corona Bonus to make everyone's feelings not hurt.  :facepalm:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
If the R's were smart (but they're not) they'd be on TV telling people that don't need the money to donate it to local charities, or even make a direct gift to an individual they see hurting from the panic.  Make the check non-taxable and donations up to the amount they get (which depends on how many kids they have) deductible separate from normal deductions.  I.e. If you just take the standard deduction you can add that giving to that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2020, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
If the R's were smart (but they're not) they'd be on TV telling people that don't need the money to donate it to local charities, or even make a direct gift to an individual they see hurting from the panic.  Make the check non-taxable and donations up to the amount they get (which depends on how many kids they have) deductible separate from normal deductions.  I.e. If you just take the standard deduction you can add that giving to that.
No, that wouldn't mean crap to R voters right now.  The smart thing to do would be to not pass anything if the Dems are going to load it down with pork.  We can recover from this virus stuff.  The crap they want to add to the bill will screw us for years.

I have heard a number of Republicans talking about Pelosi putting politics before helping the American people and similar stuff.  I am not sure if anyone is listening or not.  I havn't watched Trump's press conferences to see if he is mentioning it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 08:34:51 PM
The media will soon spin it as the R's blocking the package over partisan pettiness.  If they don't want to get pinned with that they need a huge messaging campaign about the D's wish list being counter-productive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 24, 2020, 08:34:51 PM
The media will soon spin it as the R's blocking the package over partisan pettiness.  If they don't want to get pinned with that they need a huge messaging campaign about the D's wish list being counter-productive.

They've already been. The Rs were way behind the curve on this one. They should have started blasting Pelosi and Schumer forthe "partisan pettiness" on Sunday. Especially Pelosi. The bill was already in the Senate and from all appearances, she got to Schumer to kill that one before she started writing her monstrosity.

The Rs also have the problem of what, five senators now in isolation who are unable to vote?

Edit: Oh, and we're up to I guess $6 trillion on the package that started at $1.2 trillion.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 24, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 08:44:13 PM

The Rs also have the problem of what, five senators now in isolation who are unable to vote?

The obvious solution is for them to just go to work as usual and vote... >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
Quote from: Andiron on March 24, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
The obvious solution is for them to just go to work as usual and vote... >:D

Just have someone show up say they're Rand Paul or whoever and start voting. Asking for an ID is voter suppression and racist right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
And $4 billion for museum virus response (NYC only).

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/24/to-help-keep-new-york-citys-nonprofit-museums-alive-during-covid-19-crisis-rep-jerry-nadler-asks-for-4-billion/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 24, 2020, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
And $4 billion for museum virus response (NYC only).

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/24/to-help-keep-new-york-citys-nonprofit-museums-alive-during-covid-19-crisis-rep-jerry-nadler-asks-for-4-billion/

This is bad of me, but... When it comes to NYC, I'm kind of rooting for the virus at the moment.

I mean seriously, people, there are priorities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 24, 2020, 10:46:01 PM
My favorite part of the Democrats' Chinavirus Spending Spree is the pension fund for journalists.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 24, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 24, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
Just have someone show up say they're Rand Paul or whoever and start voting. Asking for an ID is voter suppression and racist right?

Stands to reason,  and those retards already had their own "Spartacus" moment...  I AM RAND PAUL!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 25, 2020, 02:23:25 AM
We gotta burn the Constitution and wreck the economy to fight the Corona virus guys. I just don’t get why you don’t understand those basic facts. Especially we have to listen and kiss the ass if the governments who are completely ineffective in fighting this virus meanwhile those evil corporations who are actually doing the work of voluntarily closing, making major business practice switches and sacrifice, plus coming up with production of equipment on a large scale, we gotta destroy them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 07:11:08 AM
Prince Charles has it now, he's 71
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52033845
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 25, 2020, 07:54:17 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
I saw this story about the post office potentially shutting down because they are losing money due to the beer flu. How is this possible? Everyone is staying home and ordering stuff on Amazon, etc. The other guys are are trying to hire people to keep up with increased demand. I'm getting Amazon packages delivered by USPS, yet they're not seeing an increase like the other guys?

Regular mail has been declining for a long while, so that part isn't new and isn't urgent. Increased package deliveries right now should be mitigating that loss. I smell the same "virus money grab" the Kennedy Center is asking for.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/congress-needs-to-provide-funds-or-postal-service-may-shut-down-because-of-coronavirus-report
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
Well, it looks like the virus has won and this might be the end for us. Waffle House has closed.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/sit-just-got-real-waffle-house-closes-365-restaurants/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 25, 2020, 08:36:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
Well, it looks like the virus has won and this might be the end for us. Waffle House has closed.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/sit-just-got-real-waffle-house-closes-365-restaurants/

 Game over man, game over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 09:15:58 AM
Senate passed the Stimulus Package $2,000,000,000,000

I'm still not getting Pelosi pushing to change what just got passed. The house hasn't met as a whole for more than 30 minutes and yesterdays ~30 min floor schedule didn't mention anything about the "new" stimulus package. Appropriations Committee did meet yesterday and today, is that where they started assembling this 1400+ page bill? I know Pelosi had a press release on Monday about the new 1400+ page bill. This still would have to get passed by the House and then passed by the Senate before even reaching the President's desk for signing.

Are "people" making ado about a nothing burger? Are people forgetting basic Civics?

*edited, I was under the assumption that this stimulus originated in the House and had passed. No, the Senate bill has to go to the House to be passed, of course if amended has to go back to the Senate.  I wish the news would stop reporting like it was going to the president's desk after passing the Senate. Also the news keeps reporting the House is still in recess, so who is full of poo right now?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2020, 09:41:47 AM
Waffle House should have closed decades ago.

Permanently.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
And... now working from home for the rest of the week. Authorization finally came through. Only problem is, pretty much everything I have to do is on an airgapped system that I can't access from anywhere other than the main work location. Which I won't be able to hit until next week when I go back there for a week on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 25, 2020, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
They've already been. The Rs were way behind the curve on this one. They should have started blasting Pelosi and Schumer forthe "partisan pettiness" on Sunday. Especially Pelosi. The bill was already in the Senate and from all appearances, she got to Schumer to kill that one before she started writing her monstrosity.

The Rs also have the problem of what, five senators now in isolation who are unable to vote?

Edit: Oh, and we're up to I guess $6 trillion on the package that started at $1.2 trillion.
R's did do that as I understand it.  Unless you go to the right alternative media outlets, you don't see it.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 25, 2020, 09:46:32 AM
So what’s in this two trillion we gotta pass it now bullshit bill?

I hope the Corona virus rips through the senate like a pack of lions
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 25, 2020, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: charby on March 25, 2020, 09:15:58 AM
Senate passed the Stimulus Package $2,000,000,000,000

I'm still not getting Pelosi pushing to change what just got passed. The house hasn't met as a whole for more than 30 minutes and yesterdays ~30 min floor schedule didn't mention anything about the "new" stimulus package. Appropriations Committee did meet yesterday and today, is that where they started assembling this 1400+ page bill? I know Pelosi had a press release on Monday about the new 1400+ page bill. This still would have to get passed by the House and then passed by the Senate before even reaching the President's desk for signing.

Are "people" making ado about a nothing burger? Are people forgetting basic Civics?
I can only hope they don't pass the Senate version and the arguments last at least a few more weeks and Trump ends the lock down. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 25, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
And... now working from home for the rest of the week. Authorization finally came through.

My direct order was on Monday to stay home, I can't even pop into my office at the capital complex without permission and I have to be scheduled for my time in and time out. No one is even going to be allowed to go in until next week at the earliest.

No one gave any of us field staff a chance to go get stocked up with work and supplies before the order.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 25, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on March 25, 2020, 09:46:32 AM
So what’s in this two trillion we gotta pass it now bullshit bill?

I hope the Corona virus rips through the senate like a pack of lions

That would be a silver lining.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on March 25, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
WI is supposed to be in a pseudo 'lock down' or as the goobenor calls it 'safe at home.'

I saw more traffic on the way into Milwaukee this morning than I've seen in a week.
City buses are still running.  :facepalm:
The small town I live in looked comparatively dead, as in not many people getting up to go to work.

Also heard on the radio news report yesterday that middle aged AA males make up the bulk of CV cases in Milwaukee. They were told or they believed that they were immune to the virus and carried on as if nothing was going on.  :facepalm:

A friend of mine has been frantically crunching numbers to try to make sense of everything (he's a freshly minted business owner, and doesn't have much else to do for the time being). One of the interesting things he passed on to me was a concept of 'Small World Networks', which could explain why the virus is rampant in certain communities, but isn't spreading exponentially outside them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
Idaho made the MSM (Rachel Maddow) because Wallethub listed us as 48th in "doing something". California ranked #1, so take that for what it's worth in freedom vs response. The Idaho Statesman also ragged on the governor for not going full on lockdown and instead letting specific regions make their own decisions. Which in this state, makes perfect sense. There are only a few areas like Boise, where your neighbors are 20 feet from you, and the Boise mayor made the right decision for her city. My neighbors are closer to 1/4 mile away, and those longer distances are common in most of the state. We don't need to be micromanaged. It looks like the media attention got to the governor though, because he's supposed to be making "a very important announcement" this morning. I expect it to be some kind of lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 25, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Maybe he'll tell Madcow to FOAD.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
Well, it looks like the virus has won and this might be the end for us. Waffle House has closed.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/sit-just-got-real-waffle-house-closes-365-restaurants/

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSrtosc0P22CYZRJpF3DwBA_TOEH5b4LF49O2SBhglYbtFx0rkT)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 25, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Maybe he'll tell Madcow to FOAD.

I wish they would tell all "news" pundits; left, right, middle, sideways, front ways, back ways and upside down to FOAD.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 11:36:59 AM
Like this is going anywhere

Quote
A class-action lawsuit filed in Florida this month seeks to "make China pay for what they've done" in its handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the country acted "negligently in their handling of the COVID-19 outbreak."

A personal injury law firm based in Boca Raton, Fla., is bringing the suit against China and various Chinese government agencies on behalf of "individuals and business owners in the United States and State of Florida, for damages suffered as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic."

Class-action suit seeks to bill China for coronavirus fallout: 'We want the court to make them pay'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/class-action-suit-seeks-to-make-china-pay
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
"My Face Mask"

The "My Pillow" guy is now making hospital face masks. :)

Good for him.  I see him on Fox Business a bit. He's  big deplorable. This should irritate the left a bit.  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/yes-mypillow-now-making-masks-for-hospitals/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:16:09 PM
Report from my hillabilly grocery store this morning:

Surprisingly well-stocked. Fruits and veggies looked pre-virus normal. Potatoes (which were AWOL) are back with a vengeance. Big meat selection. Decent selection of bread, eggs, milk. Toilet paper was wiped out, but plenty of paper towels. Lots of sugar (I bought some), but low on flour. Also the ice cream is still practically depleted WTF? I saw one scroungy looking guy that looked like maybe he'd driven down off the mountain (his truck was full of snow) using his elbow to open the door to the store. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on March 25, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
I did a Walmart run to our usual suburban Milwaukee location.

No TP, but there was now a smattering of paper towels and kleenex. Meat looking about half stocked, and a few aisles like breakfast cereal and canned food were still 75% gutted, but were looking better than before, and had stockers in them with carts and pallets of goods. They had almost their normal amount of bottled water on hand.

The Kroger affiliate here, and the fancy/expensive/gourmet chain was well stocked on everything but TP. Maybe some gaps in the meat department was all.

So it's looking like the panic is subsiding a bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:22:08 PM
So I heard on the news this morning that congress got in an uproar because they got a big delivery (I assume from GSA) of hand sanitizer that was expired. While I would expect it to expire once the seal was broken (alcohol evaporation), I didn't think it could expire, at least for a long while, in the sealed container. I think they said these were from 2009.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
So - and I won't even say a set number because it seems to be a moving target - we're looking a trillions of dollars in virus response in the US. The UN is doing a $2 billion package for the whole world.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/un-announces-2-billion-response-package-to-fight-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 12:26:55 PM
Ky Gov ordering National Guardsmen to be stationed at all hospitals
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 25, 2020, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:22:08 PM
So I heard on the news this morning that congress got in an uproar because they got a big delivery (I assume from GSA) of hand sanitizer that was expired. While I would expect it to expire once the seal was broken (alcohol evaporation), I didn't think it could expire, at least for a long while, in the sealed container. I think they said these were from 2009.

GSA should have sent that to hospitals or the military, and found some new stuff (commandere it if necessary) for congress.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 25, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Hand sanitizer does expire.

But it doesn't need to be opened for it to lose efficacy.

https://www.insider.com/does-hand-sanitizer-expire
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
"My Face Mask"

The "My Pillow" guy is now making hospital face masks. :)

Good for him.  I see him on Fox Business a bit. He's  big deplorable. This should irritate the left a bit.  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/yes-mypillow-now-making-masks-for-hospitals/

Former crack addict who recovered and hit "business gold", does seem to try to keep as much of his business operations in MN and employ local people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
So - and I won't even say a set number because it seems to be a moving target - we're looking a trillions of dollars in virus response in the US. The UN is doing a $2 billion package for the whole world.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/un-announces-2-billion-response-package-to-fight-coronavirus

CNN: Orange Man is doing nothing while the UN saves the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: charby on March 25, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Former crack addict who recovered and hit "business gold", does seem to try to keep as much of his business operations in MN and employ local people.

Charby is writing headlines for CNN now.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
So I went to order a replacement water filter for my whole house system, fulfilled by Amazon, one month delivery date (23APR) for Prime delivery. I went and randomly chose a few other items and they all came up the same. Apparently Amazon is prioritizing deliveries, though they are very vague on what stuff gets priority.

I got the filter elsewhere with a free USPS delivery for next week, but just a head's up that you want to pay close attention to delivery dates if you're ordering from Amazon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jocassee on March 25, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: charby on March 25, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Former crack addict who recovered and hit "business gold", does seem to try to keep as much of his business operations in MN and employ local people.

He rubs me the wrong way (might be simple allergy to excessive personal brand advertising) but that is genuinely good to hear.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 01:25:33 PM
Wow, so this is unexpected:

Yesterday, the LA County Sheriff shut down all gun stores. Today, it appears he did so without consulting with the LA county attorney's office, who said that gun stores are an essential service. I'm more surprised at the LA County Attorney's position than with what the Sheriff did.

https://time.com/5809444/los-angeles-closing-gun-shops-coronavirus/

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Jocassee on March 25, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
He rubs me the wrong way (might be simple allergy to excessive personal brand advertising) but that is genuinely good to hear.

I'm tired of his commercials
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
I saw this story about the post office potentially shutting down because they are losing money due to the beer flu. How is this possible? Everyone is staying home and ordering stuff on Amazon, etc. The other guys are are trying to hire people to keep up with increased demand. I'm getting Amazon packages delivered by USPS, yet they're not seeing an increase like the other guys?

Regular mail has been declining for a long while, so that part isn't new and isn't urgent. Increased package deliveries right now should be mitigating that loss. I smell the same "virus money grab" the Kennedy Center is asking for.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/congress-needs-to-provide-funds-or-postal-service-may-shut-down-because-of-coronavirus-report

You could give the postal service a bunch of printing presses to print their own money, and they'd still find a way to lose money on their operation every year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: charby on March 25, 2020, 11:34:59 AM
I wish they would tell all "news" pundits; left, right, middle, sideways, front ways, back ways and upside down to FOAD.

Amen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 25, 2020, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
You could give the postal service a bunch of printing presses to print their own money, and they'd still find a way to lose money on their operation every year.

Schools too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
So - and I won't even say a set number because it seems to be a moving target - we're looking a trillions of dollars in virus response in the US. The UN is doing a $2 billion package for the whole world.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/un-announces-2-billion-response-package-to-fight-coronavirus

I haven't looked at what the UN is doing, but I suspect buried deep in the UN package language, most of the $2 billion relief will end up going to their own programs so their officials and cronies can siphon off as much as possible.  UN = massive corruption for the most part.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 25, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
You could give the postal service a bunch of printing presses to print their own money, and they'd still find a way to lose money on their operation every year.

Fairly certain it's their union/commie labor practices that cause it.

Postage is still fixed rate, way low.  But labor costs are skyrocketing due to high demand.  Any work over 40 hours incurs overtime pay, and hiring additional postal workers incurs additional costs not factored into the postal rates.

This is what you get when everything is subsidized.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 25, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
"My Face Mask"

The "My Pillow" guy is now making hospital face masks. :)

Good for him.  I see him on Fox Business a bit. He's  big deplorable. This should irritate the left a bit.  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/25/yes-mypillow-now-making-masks-for-hospitals/

Uh, oh.  They have a poster on the wall saying that all things are possible with God.  They obviously want our government to become a theocracy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
Apparently that *expletive deleted*ing Kennedy Center is still in what looks to be the final version of the relief bill. More infuriating, one of the comments indicates BOTH dems and Rs had it in their versions of the bill. I'd really like to know which Republicans were in favor of that pork.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET9sFDMXsAAEjNE?format=png&name=small)

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/25/outrageous-heres-what-congress-wants-to-do-with-25-million-in-covid19-relief-money/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on March 25, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
Fairly certain it's their union/commie labor practices that cause it.

Postage is still fixed rate, way low.  But labor costs are skyrocketing due to high demand.  Any work over 40 hours incurs overtime pay, and hiring additional postal workers incurs additional costs not factored into the postal rates.

This is what you get when everything is subsidized.

If I recall correctly, the USPS has some unusual Congressional requirements in terms of prefunding pensions and this really impacts their bottom line.  Ah, I found it: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-04-04/congress-not-amazon-messed-up-the-u-s-postal-service
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 25, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
The inside skinny on why we don't have enough masks for healthcare workers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-the-worlds-richest-country-ran-out-of-a-75-cent-face-mask/ar-BB11GgLi

My take-away from the article:

Quote
Few in the protective equipment industry are surprised by the shortages, because they’ve been predicted for years. In 2005, the George W. Bush administration called for the coordination of domestic production and stockpiling of protective gear in preparation for pandemic influenza. In 2006, Congress approved funds to add protective gear to a national strategic stockpile — among other things, the stockpile collected 52 million surgical face masks and 104 million N95 respirator masks.

But about 100 million masks in the stockpile were deployed in 2009 in the fight against the H1N1 flu pandemic, and the government never bothered to replace them. This month, Alex Azar, secretary of health and human services, testified that there are only about 40 million masks in the stockpile — around 1 percent of the projected national need.

So the .gov gave out most of the stockpiled masks in 2009, and "the government" never bothered to replace them. And who was the head of "the government" from 2009 until January of 2017? Hint: it wasn't Orangemen. But he's supposed to have known -- and corrected -- what his predecessor failed to do for SEVEN YEARS.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 25, 2020, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 25, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
The inside skinny on why we don't have enough masks for healthcare workers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-the-worlds-richest-country-ran-out-of-a-75-cent-face-mask/ar-BB11GgLi

My take-away from the article:

So the .gov gave out most of the stockpiled masks in 2009, and "the government" never bothered to replace them. And who was the head of "the government" from 2009 until January of 2017? Hint: it wasn't Orangemen. But he's supposed to have known -- and corrected -- what his predecessor failed to do for SEVEN YEARS.
Sounds like replacing the stockpile was never funded. 

Also, did they distribute the 40 million masks they still had?

Seems like there ought to be a better way to handle that than a govt warehouse of stuff. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
^^^Having done it professionally in various governmental and corporate settings, I have to say that emergency/disaster preparedness really takes hind tit when it comes to funding.  If you prepare and stock up and the crisis never happens, everyone says you wasted the money that could have been used for other things and this is why taxes are so high or corporate earnings are down.  If the crisis happens and you weren't stocked and prepared for it, everyone says you are an idiot for not being able to persuade the decision makers to spend the money.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
^^^Having done it professionally in various governmental and corporate settings, I have to say that emergency/disaster preparedness really takes hind tit when it comes to funding.  If you prepare and stock up and the crisis never happens, everyone says you wasted the money that could have been used for other things and this is why taxes are so high or corporate earnings are down.  If the crisis happens and you weren't stocked and prepared for it, everyone says you are an idiot for not being able to persuade the decision makers to spend the money.

Yup. I did the emergency and disaster preparedness for my region at work. I just talked to one of my old coworkers last week and she told me that at inventory last year, they just dumped all the supplies because they were taking up too much space.  I recall there were a ton of respirators in the mix. They gave that duty to an O-3, so I'm sure he'll take a hit in his FITREP now with the virus, even though somebody above him said to dump them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
Minnesota just went to Shelter in Place starting Friday at 11:59pm. Bars and Restaurants to remain closed until May 1.

They are figuring that at least 2 million MN residents will get Covid-19, it will peak in 14 weeks and 11 weeks from now all ICU beds will be filled. They are scrambling to create more ICU beds.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/gov-walz-announces-shelter-in-place-order-for-minnesota
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 25, 2020, 04:25:27 PM
On the pork packed financial assistance bill:
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A $1,200 payment for each adult, and $500 per child, in households that earn up to $75,000 per year for individuals or $150,000 for couples. The assistance phases out for people who earn more. Democratic aides in the Senate said on Wednesday that eligible Americans with direct-deposit bank account information on file with the Internal Revenue Service — about 70 million people — should see their payments arrive within a few weeks of the bill being signed into law. Those who did not have such information on file and would instead be mailed a check will need to wait up to four months to receive one, the aides said.
That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.
Seems like a good opportunity for the payday/title loan companies.  =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Idaho just announced a 21 day statewide lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 25, 2020, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 25, 2020, 04:25:27 PM
On the pork packed financial assistance bill:That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.
Seems like a good opportunity for the payday/title loan companies.  =|
The Rush substitute was also saying that is may only apply if you make less than $75K.  Between 75K and 100K, you might get a check, but will have to pay it back.  Over $100K you get nothing. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 25, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 25, 2020, 04:35:40 PM
The Rush substitute was also saying that is may only apply if you make less than $75K.  Between 75K and 100K, you might get a check, but will have to pay it back.  Over $100K you get nothing. 

That's for single filers.  Married joint filers get double that for thresholds.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 04:51:06 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Idaho just announced a 21 day statewide lockdown.

Are you gnashing your teeth and throwing stuff yet?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 04:52:25 PM
Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake  :facepalm:

COVID-19 is a gendered crisis
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/25/women-hardest-hit-australian-senator-wants-to-remind-us-all-that-covid-19-is-a-gendered-crisis/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 25, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 04:52:25 PM
Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake  :facepalm:

COVID-19 is a gendered crisis
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/25/women-hardest-hit-australian-senator-wants-to-remind-us-all-that-covid-19-is-a-gendered-crisis/
Isn't it disproportionately killing men?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: charby on March 25, 2020, 04:51:06 PM
Are you gnashing your teeth and throwing stuff yet?

Doesn't affect me. Uncle Sam deposits my pension in my bank every month and all the places I go to anyway, grocery, farm store, gun store are exempt as essential services. The rest of the time I play on my farm, fish in my pond, and take pictures of geese crapping on my house. Maybe I'll throw something at the geese.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 04:57:10 PM
And more

It gets even worse in the comments if you can believe that

America's Response to the Coronavirus Is a Natural Consequence of White Supremacy
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/americas-response-to-the-coronavirus-is-a-natural-conse-1842377080
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 25, 2020, 04:57:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
Doesn't affect me. Uncle Sam deposits my pension in my bank every month and all the places I go to anyway, grocery, farm store, gun store are exempt as essential services. The rest of the time I play on my farm, fish in my pond, and take pictures of geese crapping on my house. Maybe I'll throw something at the geese.

And Steve?  We all want need to know how the hobo is handling all this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 25, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Isn't it disproportionately killing men?

yes
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on March 25, 2020, 04:57:39 PM
And Steve?  We all want need to know how the hobo is handling all this.

He's more concerned about the geese than the virus.  :laugh:

Somehow the little bastard caught a snow goose and ate it last week, while I never got a shot off. Steve-1, Ben-0.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 25, 2020, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
^^^Having done it professionally in various governmental and corporate settings, I have to say that emergency/disaster preparedness really takes hind tit when it comes to funding.  If you prepare and stock up and the crisis never happens, everyone says you wasted the money that could have been used for other things and this is why taxes are so high or corporate earnings are down.  If the crisis happens and you weren't stocked and prepared for it, everyone says you are an idiot for not being able to persuade the decision makers to spend the money.

^^^ Exactly. Catch-22. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Kind of like the snow plowing budget for towns in the snow belt. Have a mild winter or two so you don't spend every last penny, and next year the bean counters reduce the snow plowing budget. Then along comes a severe (i.e. normal) winter, the budget has been spent by mid-February and there's another blizzard in the forecast, and everyone wants to know why there's no money left to plow the streets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 25, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
I'm listening to the press conference from the mayor of Mason City, IA.

We have a regional hospital here, they just admitted that there is only 38 respirators at that hospital. Kind of shocking to me it was that low for a regional hospital.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 25, 2020, 04:25:27 PM
On the pork packed financial assistance bill:That's a LONG time for the people who actually need it.
Seems like a good opportunity for the payday/title loan companies.  =|

I guess I'm on the 4 month list. Up until this year, I've always had to send them a check, so never did the electronic bank info thing. This year my CPA got me money back, and the feds sent me a paper check, so I assume the IRS doesn't have my bank info.

Doesn't bother me, but I can sure see how it could adversely affect some. Seems to me that a lot of people without bank info on file will often be those poorer people without a bank account anyway that the dems are always going on about, so it's interesting that they let that slip through. I recall several tenants I had over the years that never had bank accounts and always paid me with cash or money orders. I'm guessing there are a lot of working poor like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Looks like Bernie is holding things up

Quote
Bernie Sanders said Wednesday afternoon he might torpedo the Senate's compromise stimulus package unless Republican senators dropped their objections about what they called a "massive drafting error" related to unemployment benefits, in the latest twist to a process that has been marked by delays and last-minute hurdles.
Quote
The concern from Sens. Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, R-S.C., Ben Sasse, R-Neb., and Rick Scott, R-Fla., is that the current version of the bill could pay workers more in unemployment benefits than they're currently making, by sticking a $600 per week payment on top of ordinary benefits that are calculated as a percentage of income. This could disrupt the labor market further, the lawmakers warn.

Coronavirus bill hits hurdles as Sanders threatens to stall package over bid to change unemployment aid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-stall-coronavirus-package-over-gop-bid-to-change-unemployment-aid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Looks like Bernie is holding things up

Coronavirus bill hits hurdles as Sanders threatens to stall package over bid to change unemployment aid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-stall-coronavirus-package-over-gop-bid-to-change-unemployment-aid

Yeah, he apparently wants people to get bigger unemployment checks than they do checks from their work. Jackass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Yeah, he apparently wants people to get bigger unemployment checks than they do checks from their work. Jackass.

It's a feature not a bug
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 25, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Isn't it disproportionately killing men?

I saw by a two to one margin. That's pretty significant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 25, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
I saw by a two to one margin. That's pretty significant.
So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.

Proof that they are being disproportionately impacted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 25, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.

Proof that they are being disproportionately impacted.

You'd make a great CNN spin doctor!  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 25, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
So women are losing both their jobs and their sons/husbands/fathers.

Proof that they are being disproportionately impacted.

Isn't pretty much the same logic one of the female congress critters used when they said women suffered more than men in WW-I?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 25, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
He's more concerned about the geese than the virus.  :laugh:

Somehow the little bastard caught a snow goose and ate it last week, while I never got a shot off. Steve-1, Ben-0.

 :lol:  :lol:  Made my day.  And my wife's day too.  She's still cackling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:16:52 PM
Isn't pretty much the same logic one of the female congress critters use when they said women suffered more than men in WW-I?


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During these layoffs and temporary work stoppages remember that a man is losing $1 for every $0.79 a woman loses.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
On those checks, this Fox article says even longer than 4 months:

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When and how are payments made?

Payments, according to the bill, will be made “as rapidly as possible” and no later than Dec. 31, 2020. They will be made via direct deposit to an account that the person has authorized for tax refunds or federal payments on or after Jan. 1, 2018.

Notice will be sent to the person’s last known address within 15 days of payment informing them of the method and amount of payment. A phone number will also be provided so people can call the IRS in the event they did not receive it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/do-you-qualify-for-a-stimulus-check-in-senates-coronavirus-response-bill
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 06:02:25 PM
I got this from work, and the author has posted it elsewhere. A handy one page summary of COVID 19. Note the code to see more current versions as they are developed.

(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C5622AQGvwqtYT8SIRA/feedshare-shrink_800/0?e=1588204800&v=beta&t=p-epLxHox3oo56lR7hXqm2l58ceD70T2yAKl0TL5rlk)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
And the first thing Idahoans did when the lockdown was announced?  :laugh:

(https://www.idahostatesman.com/latest-news/dcxh97/picture241511776/alternates/FREE_1140/0325%20liquor%20store%2002A.JPG)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2020, 06:41:44 PM
Aaaaaaand... plastic bags are cool again!  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/25/massachusetts-governor-bans-reusable-shopping-bags-lifts-restrictions-on-plastic-bags/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 25, 2020, 07:06:40 PM
Experts who think this panic is crazy

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 25, 2020, 07:57:59 PM
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/state/rural-america-watches-pandemic-erupt-in-cities-as-fear-grows/article_4133bd1b-7438-51c9-9208-546a55d4af74.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 25, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
^^^The rural medical infrastructure is already on a wing and a prayer in many parts of the country.  It will not take much in the way of COVID 19 to completely overwhelm the hospitals and clinics, and then you will start to see the bodies pile up if the patient cannot be transferred to a higher level of care.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 25, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
I received an e-mail today that included a link to a report saying Connecticut has had its militia (the official militia, which functions sort of like a junior varsity National Guard) set up field hospitals on the grounds of two hospitals around the state. I wonder if other states have that capability? (I also wonder what these field hospitals will be used for. The article mentioned "triage," but didn't provide any explanation.)

Also heard from a friend who works for a major hospital (in a non-medical support role). What he's hearing is that the actual number of proper, negative-pressure ICU beds in each state is quite limited, and the cononavirus is expected to overwhelm that number. He said once that happens, expect entire hospitals to become COVID-19 facilities, and all other patients will be diverted to other hospitals. It's just not practical (or maybe not even possible) to convert positive pressure rooms/beds to negative-pressure rooms/beds with the wave of a magic wand.

...

A bit of Google Fu brought up this: https://portal.ct.gov/DPH/Public-Health-Preparedness/Mobile-Field-Hospital/The-Ottilie-W-Lundgren-Memorial-Field-Hospital

Looks rather low-tech. Probably to be used as an adjunct to the emergency rooms. M*A*S*H revisited.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 08:11:09 AM
So all that talk about how masks are ineffective?
My agency is going to have our facility test run working with masks to see if it affects voice quality etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 08:42:30 AM
Interesting.  New guidance coming down.  We're probably moving to a new schedule for a little while.
Might be something like 5 days on 10 days off. They'll be putting in 3 crews, so there's little contact or overlap.  Straight shifts (days, nights, or mids). 
It's only taken 2 weeks post emergency declaration to do something. 
With the airlines parking planes, we've seen a drastic drop off in traffic. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 26, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 08:11:09 AM
So all that talk about how masks are ineffective?
My agency is going to have our facility test run working with masks to see if it affects voice quality etc.

I'm reading commentators suggesting that was blatant propaganda because we didn't have enough masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
Not completely related to this linked article, but it got me to wondering: Among the other changes people are making, whether real and sensible long term or short term panic decisions, I wonder if we'll, in the short term once this calms down, see any kind of real estate movement of people selling out in big cities and moving to lower density suburban or rural locations? I'm not talking about the boonies necessarily, but from say, NYC to "50K population, USA".

I've talked to a few people in LA and DC who are semi-freaking about both the virus and dealing with going to the store, etc. and are worried if they could even get into the hospital if they needed to. Certainly some of it is "in the moment" panic, but I'm going to be curious if some people decide they don't want to be "trapped" in a densely populated large city anymore if something like this happens again. Or if six months from now everything is forgotten and they wouldn't consider moving because they would miss their Amazon three hour delivery and other urban amenities.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/26/big-jump-in-reported-coronavirus-cases-in-nyc-elmhurst-hospital-in-queens-overwhelmed/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
One thing we should see, but I don't know if we will, is a move towards working from home. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 26, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
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I wonder if we'll, in the short term once this calms down, see any kind of real estate movement of people selling out in big cities and moving to lower density suburban or rural locations? I'm not talking about the boonies necessarily, but from say, NYC to "50K population, USA".

You mean, accelerate what's already happening? This is in full force already everywhere I have lived. In Raleigh, it was hoards of yellow NY license plates. In Dallas it was hoards of Californians and in Boise it's swarms of Californians and PNWers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 26, 2020, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 25, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Looks like Bernie is holding things up

Coronavirus bill hits hurdles as Sanders threatens to stall package over bid to change unemployment aid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-stall-coronavirus-package-over-gop-bid-to-change-unemployment-aid

Just ... Wow!

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Then, late Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said unanimous consent was a nonstarter in the House, and implied that quick passage in the lower chamber may be unrealistic. Pelosi has called for members to have at least 24 hours to review the bill text once it's available.

Lemme see -- 1800 pages, 24 hours -- that's 75 pages per hour, with no time out to eat, drink, pee, poop, or sleep. Whatever happened to "We'll just have to pass it to find out what's in it"?

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“That’s not gonna work," she told reporters shortly after 7:30 p.m. ET, referring to unanimous consent. "Republicans have told us that’s not possible from their said. ... What I’d like to see -- because this a $2 trillion bill -- I’d like to see a good debate on the floor."

But Nancy, you didn't want a "good debate on the floor" over Obamacare. Why the change of heart?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 26, 2020, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
One thing we should see, but I don't know if we will, is a move towards working from home.  

At Enormous Computer Company ("wanna buy an Enormous computer?"â„¢) the workers have been working from home whenever we could get away with it for years -- most of us just when we're expecting a delivery or something, or not feeling well but not really sick either.  And the upper management hated it.  Good people have lost their jobs because they lived 100 miles from campus, and that was deemed just too far, even if they were willing to come in to the office every day.  Anyway...

Now with the coronovirus epidemic, ECC has locked the doors and mandated that all employees work from home.  With no acknowlegement of how exactly we're already good at that.

Just down the road at World Renowned Hospital (I don't know their clever slogan), they have declared that anyone with kids at home younger than 10 is not eligible to WFH because they will be distracted.  Like nobody is ever distracted when trying to work in their office.   ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 26, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
You mean, accelerate what's already happening? This is in full force already everywhere I have lived. In Raleigh, it was hoards of yellow NY license plates. In Dallas it was hoards of Californians and in Boise it's swarms of Californians and PNWers.

Granted, but most of that is people fleeing because of policies, taxes, etc. I may read way too many zombie apocalypse books, but was thinking along the lines of people afraid that they might be trapped in the big city during a disaster, pandemic, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/video/nyregion/100000007052136/coronavirus-elmhurst-hospital-queens.html

From the front lines
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 26, 2020, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 26, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Granted, but most of that is people fleeing because of policies, taxes, etc. I may read way too many zombie apocalypse books, but was thinking along the lines of people afraid that they might be trapped in the big city during a disaster, pandemic, etc.

I live in a town on 25k, we have the same problems too. Hospital is usually pretty full even during a non panic. Getting a new GP DR or Dentist to see you will be at least a 3 month wait for "non emergency" type things, right now if it's nor Covid-19 or Flu, you're not getting in.

Our town was out of TP, paper towels, Bleach, wipes and water in less than 24hrs after the panic began.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: charby on March 26, 2020, 11:21:34 AM
I live in a town on 25k, we have the same problems too. Hospital is usually pretty full even during a non panic. Getting a new GP DR or Dentist to see you will be at least a 3 month wait for "non emergency" type things, right now if it's nor Covid-19 or Flu, you're not getting in.

Our town was out of TP, paper towels, Bleach, wipes and water in less than 24hrs after the panic began.

How's your town on crime, riots, and looting during disasters? :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 26, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 26, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
How's your town on crime, riots, and looting during disasters? :)

Let's see we had a city wide flash flood in June of 2018, there was looting of vacated flooded properties, over 70% of the basements in town had significant water in them. 2008 flood was a lot worse for looting when the flood was more sustained in duration.

We seem to have a shooting or two every month. Also usually in just one part of town, I don't live in that part.

Riots? probably not enough people for anything that last more than 30 minutes. Unless you count Black Friday shoppers. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2020, 03:47:26 PM
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/26/how-the-tables-have-turned-mexicans-issue-demand-to-trump-that-lights-up-irony-detectors/

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 26, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/with-everyone-telecomuting-pants-sales-plummet
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 26, 2020, 04:57:15 PM
Couple days old, but so much for stay away from old people in Israel idea

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel/israel-orders-citizens-to-stay-home-in-partial-lockdown-idUSKBN21622D

TLDR--- pretty much total lock down, STF home except for food and medicine.

Apparently it's a $1k USD fine if you are violating this order (that isn't in the article, but I saw/heard it somewhere today)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 26, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
NH goes on semi-lockdown tomorrow night at midnight.

NH schools are out until at least May 4th.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 26, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
My county issued a stay-at-home order.  I am not certain if there is any criminal penalty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 26, 2020, 07:40:28 PM
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before...

I live about 1/2 way between Dallas & Tyler TX, pretty rural area.  Tyler's a fair sized city (~100k), Rockwall's (~41k) near Dallas, Kaufmann's (~6.7k) close to Dallas too & is the county seat.

Anyway, a couple years ago, during the normal flu season, my appendix burst.  My normal hospital (Mother Frances) is in Tyler and the ambulance was based out of that hospital.  The ambulance crew was told to take me to another hospital since Mother Frances was full-up with flu cases.  OK, drove about 45 min in the opposite direction to Kaufman, nope, they're full-up with flu patients too.  Drove another 45 min or so to Rockwall - they were about to turn me away for the same reason when one of their surgeons saw me on the gurney & got in on the discussion.

Fortunately, I was in the OR in less than 30 minutes.

So, no, it doesn't take a lot to overwhelm our current hospitals.

Note:  All travel times are approximate - I really wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!  USA! USA!
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-news-latest-2020-03-26/

Emerging hotspots:
LA, New Orleans, Atlanta.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2020, 07:58:13 PM
Right... anyone actually believe that *expletive deleted*it?

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 26, 2020, 07:58:13 PM
Right... anyone actually believe that *expletive deleted*it?

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I don't believe China's numbers.   I bet it was 2-3x what they claimed.  And I bet they had more deaths they didn't test and just burned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
Now Boris Johnson has it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52058788
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 08:08:01 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 26, 2020, 07:59:44 PM
I don't believe China's numbers.   I bet it was 2-3x what they claimed.  And I bet they had more deaths they didn't test and just burned.


CNN is repeating whatever China says like the info is coming from a burning bush. If it makes orange man look bad it must be true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 08:15:27 AM
Apparently people are celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans?!? I read this morning it might be the next epicenter for spread.

Also, a good thing about the response to the virus is that it kinda shows us what are necessary government functions and what are not. EPA is suspending much of its regulation and reporting enforcement.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/epa-temporarily-stops-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 08:16:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 08:15:27 AM
Apparently people are celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans?!? I read this morning it might be the next epicenter for spread.

Also, a good thing about the response to the virus is that it kinda shows us what are necessary government functions and what are not. EPA is suspending much of its regulation and reporting enforcement.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/epa-temporarily-stops-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus



This is why America will get hit super *expletive deleted*ing hard.  Florida is going to be a nightmare soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
 :facepalm:
Mexican governor sparks outrage claiming poor are 'immune' to coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-governor-sparks-outrage-claiming-poor-are-immune-to-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 08:15:27 AM
Apparently people are celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans?!? I read this morning it might be the next epicenter for spread.


Mardi Gras was over a month ago, before anybody knew about this.  Was Coronovirus even here in late Februrary?  OTOH, maybe foreign tourists to New Orleans brought it here -- but if that was the case I'd expect a different pattern to the explosion of cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
Mardi Gras was over a month ago, before anybody knew about this.  Was Coronovirus even here in late Februrary?  OTOH, maybe foreign tourists to New Orleans brought it here -- but if that was the case I'd expect a different pattern to the explosion of cases.

Yes, it was.
Mardi Gras certainly contributed to the spread in Louisana.  New Orleans is about to be a *expletive deleted*it show.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
Mardi Gras was over a month ago, before anybody knew about this.  Was Coronovirus even here in late Februrary?  OTOH, maybe foreign tourists to New Orleans brought it here -- but if that was the case I'd expect a different pattern to the explosion of cases.

Oh, okay. Something I don't pay attention to. I thought we were talking about the virus since January, though nobody paid attention back then. So certainly international travelers could have brought/taken it with them without even being aware (except for maybe Chinese tourists).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
Yes, it was.
Mardi Gras certainly contributed to the spread in Louisana.  New Orleans is about to be a *expletive deleted*it show.

Maybe, but then wouldn't it have blown-up 2 weeks ago instead of starting now?  I think we mostly dodged a bullet with Mardi Gras.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 27, 2020, 09:35:00 AM
Let’s also not forget that outside of Mardi Gras New Orleans is a popular tourist destination, a cruise ship port, plus it’s quite a nasty city
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
List of countries who have reported zero cases:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus

Given the listed countries, I'm really curious about actual numbers. On the other hand, I wonder if some of them could actually be virus free just because nobody would go there. Palau is interesting because it's actually a popular tourist destination.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 27, 2020, 09:47:50 AM
How many of those countries haven't tested anyone? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 27, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Maybe, but then wouldn't it have blown-up 2 weeks ago instead of starting now?  I think we mostly dodged a bullet with Mardi Gras.
Maybe not cleaning up the collapsed Hard Rock Hotel was a good luck charm.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 27, 2020, 09:47:50 AM
How many of those countries haven't tested anyone? 

Yeah somehow India is reporting a really low case count.  I think in the end, we'll see India emerge as a humanitarian crisis from cases and deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on March 27, 2020, 09:58:18 AM
Heard a report last night that the country wide mask shortage goes directly back to H1N1 and the Obama administration.
They apparently used a bunch of them up but never replaced the gubmint stockpiles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 09:56:57 AM
Yeah somehow India is reporting a really low case count.  I think in the end, we'll see India emerge as a humanitarian crisis from cases and deaths.

Will we really be able to see much of a difference from business as usual?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on March 27, 2020, 09:58:18 AM
Heard a report last night that the country wide mask shortage goes directly back to H1N1 and the Obama administration.
They apparently used a bunch of them up but never replaced the gubmint stockpiles.

So....Trumps fault because he didn't replenish the stock.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 10:10:32 AM
More news out of Iran
They say the numbers could be much higher

Quote
More than 300 people have died and a further 1,000 have fallen ill in Iran after consuming methanol in the belief that it will protect them against the coronavirus, according to local media.

Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 27, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
Doesn't quite fit this thread, but close: https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 27, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 09:59:07 AM
Will we really be able to see much of a difference from business as usual?

India isn't the sh-thole everyone thinks it is. Don't confuse India with Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on March 27, 2020, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: charby on March 27, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
India isn't the sh-thole everyone thinks it is. Don't confuse India with Bangladesh and Pakistan.

This exactly. It’s been 10 years or so since I’ve been there. When I was there though, there were places you wouldn’t really know you were not in the US. Places that were like inner city areas and places that were like the worst stereotype of Deliverance except with less banjos. In most places even menus and signs are in English or English and a local dialect. My somewhat educated guess is it only got better. I remember going to a Mall that could have been any Mall in normal town USA even with the same restaurant food courts and shops. Gap, McDonalds, KFC, etc.

Granted there were indicators everywhere that you were in a foreign country, but the third world stuff was not quite everywhere and in ways wasn’t much different from bad parts of rural America or Big Cities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 27, 2020, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on March 27, 2020, 09:58:18 AM
Heard a report last night that the country wide mask shortage goes directly back to H1N1 and the Obama administration.
They apparently used a bunch of them up but never replaced the gubmint stockpiles.

See post #1551 in this thread.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-the-worlds-richest-country-ran-out-of-a-75-cent-face-mask/ar-BB11GgLi
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
https://youtu.be/_sUMtHcUMWo
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 27, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Cities with large populations, concentrated,  like New York City,  are or will be very hard hit.  NYC  is already  hard hit.  
This is why social distancing is being advocated.  Duh.....
This is the beginning.   People are beginning to manifest symptoms.  

Be safe and SOCIAL DISTANCE!!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 10:53:23 AM
What the heck???
Please tell me this is a joke, faked, or something

‘Embarrassing’: Tisch School of the Arts Dean denies students a coronavirus refund with bizarre video of herself dancing (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/embarrassing-tisch-school-of-the-arts-dean-denies-students-a-coronavirus-refund-with-bizarre-video-of-herself-dancing-watch/

https://twitter.com/michale_price/status/1241939725121921025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 10:53:23 AM
What the heck???
Please tell me this is a joke, faked, or something

‘Embarrassing’: Tisch School of the Arts Dean denies students a coronavirus refund with bizarre video of herself dancing (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/embarrassing-tisch-school-of-the-arts-dean-denies-students-a-coronavirus-refund-with-bizarre-video-of-herself-dancing-watch/

https://twitter.com/michale_price/status/1241939725121921025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I saw that and decided to go with "out of context". I hate lefties as much as the next guy, but that would be too much. Might be something she'd do to conservatives, but not her own kind. Sadly, these days, there's a good chance I'll be proven wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
Iran:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection

In the meantime, the usual progressives in the MSM and Hollywood are almost gleeful about, "The US has more reported cases than anyone" without considering the big ramp up in testing. There's no way we have more actual cases than China. I'm not into the "tens of millions of dead" scenario, but come on, man - it's China.

Edit: Oops - didn't see WLJ already posted it. "I'm an old man! I get confused!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 10:10:32 AM
More news out of Iran
They say the numbers could be much higher

Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection

Saw that a week or so ago.
Well, on the bright side they didn't get the Corona virus. Just a bit of Darwinism in action.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 11:33:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
Iran:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection

In the meantime, the usual progressives in the MSM and Hollywood are almost gleeful about, "The US has more reported cases than anyone" without considering the big ramp up in testing. There's no way we have more actual cases than China. I'm not into the "tens of millions of dead" scenario, but come on, man - it's China.

They are also not putting the numbers in perspective. Italy has a population of about 60 million total with a land mass about 3/4 the size of the state of California. they are packed in pretty tight. California has a population of about 40 million spread out over a larger area.
I'd really like to see comparisons based on population and land mass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 27, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Either I've been assessing the risk wrong, or my town's mayor is wrong. One or t'other, it's an order of magnitude difference.

I've been hiding out here at home with the notion that for every confirmed case there are probably ten or so additional cases. Yesterday our mayor put out a telephonic alert/update notice -- some kind of robo call setup. The tidbit that astonished me was the factoid that for every confirmed case there may be up to ONE HUNDRED additional cases.

The town's population is about 10,000, and we have 3 confirmed cases. That means we could have 300 cases in town, which is 3 percent of the population.

Sobering.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 11:33:36 AM
They are also not putting the numbers in perspective. Italy has a population of about 60 million total with a land mass about 3/4 the size of the state of California. they are packed in pretty tight. California has a population of about 40 million spread out over a larger area.
I'd really like to see comparisons based on population and land mass.

Sort of like a "study"  I saw yesterday, that, based on tracking cell phone locations (a whole nother rant topic), "blue states" were better at self-isolating and not traveling than deplorable "red states". They took zero consideration of geography and that somebody in rural Wyoming might be driving and hour to the local grocery store. Nor that if you're miles from crowds, you can in fact safely travel around. Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
Quote
Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.

I'm of the opinion that big city libtards are just way to stupid to grasp that concept.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 27, 2020, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:51:18 AM

 Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.

I'm actually curious what the % of the US population lives in high to medium density housing vs. individual houses/trailers/duplexes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Not everyone lives in an NYC high-rise packed with people.

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2020, 11:53:27 AM
I'm of the opinion that big city libtards are just way to stupid to grasp that concept.

Everyone else lives in $10 million Beverly Hills Mansions
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: charby on March 27, 2020, 12:01:38 PM
I'm actually curious what the % of the US population lives in high to medium density housing vs. individual houses/trailers/duplexes.

Technically the last three you mentioned can all be high density, depending on location. In coastal CA, most all of that is alt least medium density. Some, from pre WW2 construction, and some from new construction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 27, 2020, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Technically the last three you mentioned can all be high density, depending on location. In coastal CA, most all of that is alt least medium density. Some, from pre WW2 construction, and some from new construction.

I've always understood that:

High density housing is multiple apartment buildings (NYC situation)
Medium density housing is townhouses/quads
Low density is what you would find in a suburb or most Midwest towns, houses/duplexes with yards, even is there is 6' between the houses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 27, 2020, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
based on tracking cell phone locations (a whole nother rant topic)

Cell phone tracking has been a huge component in the most successful containment efforts. Once testing is caught up here I suspect that we will see more of it and unfortunately I think people will be so panicked they won't complain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 01:04:56 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 27, 2020, 12:44:03 PM
Cell phone tracking has been a huge component in the most successful containment efforts. Once testing is caught up here I suspect that we will see more of it and unfortunately I think people will be so panicked they won't complain.

I mean, they don't complain now. Most smart phone users are tracked by Google and don't know, don't care (I don't know how Apple does things?) because of the great convenience, and admittedly, I do that too, though I'm getting better at turning off location services that auto-run for no damn reason. I wouldn't be surprised if much of the tracking data for that study was handed to them by Google.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 01:09:47 PM
Well, one good thing about the virus is it has me sampling more local eats and supporting local business instead of driving to fancy Boise. Philly cheese steak and veggie beef soup day at the local diner today, and like the other places in town, they are in, "call it in and we'll bring it to you when you get here" mode. I'll be picking some up right after I hit the hardware store. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 27, 2020, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 01:04:56 PM
I mean, they don't complain now. Most smart phone users are tracked by Google and don't know, don't care (I don't know how Apple does things?) because of the great convenience, and admittedly, I do that too, though I'm getting better at turning off location services that auto-run for no damn reason. I wouldn't be surprised if much of the tracking data for that study was handed to them by Google.

Yep. I bet they can already track pretty much everyone in the world, but there's just so much data they're not sure how to handle it or what to do with it. Probably working on that right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
And Mardi Gras will be Trump's fault. New Orleans always picks the worst *expletive deleted*ing mayors in the country. Every one of them is a double digit IQ moron.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/27/unreal-new-orleans-mayor-blames-trump-for-mardi-gras-not-being-canceled-who-wants-to-tell-her/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 27, 2020, 01:42:43 PM
Quote
It’s funny how Dems have gone from “we’re not going to do what Trump wants” to “we didn’t do that because Trump didn’t tell us to” in record time.

I guess when you have friendly media telling how great you are all the time, it must go to your head and make you believe your own bs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on March 27, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
And Mardi Gras will be Trump's fault. New Orleans always picks the worst *expletive deleted*ing mayors in the country. Every one of them is a double single digit IQ moron.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/27/unreal-new-orleans-mayor-blames-trump-for-mardi-gras-not-being-canceled-who-wants-to-tell-her/



That mayor is so dumb I had to alter your statement a little.   ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 27, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/27/coronalinks-3-27-20/

Lots of good info here, but brings up some anomalies for us, to whit:

Quote
The third world

…is in really deep trouble, isn’t it?

The numbers say it isn’t. Less developed countries are doing fine. Nigeria only has 65 cases. Ethiopia, 12 cases. Sudan only has three!

But they probably just aren’t testing enough. San Diego has 337 diagnosed cases right now. The equally-sized Mexican city of Tijuana, so close by that San Diegans and Tijuanans play volleyball over the border fence, has 10. If we assume that the real numbers are more similar (can we assume this?), then Mexico is undercounting by a factor of 30 relative to the US, which is itself undercounting by a factor of 10 or so. This would suggest Mexico has the same number of cases as eg Britain, which doesn’t seem so far off to me (Mexico has twice as many people).
....
Nigeria and Mexico and so on make me confused in the same way as Japan – why aren’t they already so bad that they can’t hide it? If the very poorest countries in sub-Saharan Africa were suffering a full-scale coronavirus epidemic, would we definitely know? In Liberia, only 3% of people are aged above 65 (in the US, it’s 16%). It only has one doctor per 100,000 people (in the US, it’s one per 400) – what does “hospital overcrowding” even mean in a situation like that? I don’t think a full-scale epidemic could stay completely hidden forever, but maybe it could be harder to notice we would naively expect.

Prior to this excerpt, he also goes into how Japan has basically done nothing (still crowded trains going into work, for instance) and they aren't collapsing.

Food for thought.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 27, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
In regards to third world countries:

Some of them are pretty far off the regularly beaten track. It may take awhile for the virus to get there.

Poor people outside of cities would have pretty limited contact with the outside world.

There is going to be not just lack of testing, but lack of medical care available. Many will die in their homes, be buried and the details not hit what passes for a system for awhile.

I doubt we will know the impact in some places until long after this is over and even then, some details are going to be fuzzy. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 27, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 27, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/27/coronalinks-3-27-20/

Lots of good info here, but brings up some anomalies for us, to whit:

Prior to this excerpt, he also goes into how Japan has basically done nothing (still crowded trains going into work, for instance) and they aren't collapsing.

Food for thought.

From what I understand, the Japanese already practice what we would call social distancing.  They bow, rather than shake hands, have a lot of personal space, aren't very touchy-feely, etc.  And they're used to wearing masks if they're sick, in order to prevent spreading it to others.  They're fastidiously neat as well, and wash their hands frequently.  I've never been there, this is information I've heard from someone living there as an explanation for the low incidences of covid.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 27, 2020, 03:14:28 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on March 27, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
They bow, rather than shake hands, have a lot of personal space, aren't very touchy-feely, etc.  And they're used to wearing masks if they're sick, in order to prevent spreading it to others.  They're fastidiously neat as well, and wash their hands frequently.  I've never been there, this is information I've heard from someone living there as an explanation for the low incidences of covid.

That was not my experience when I visited. The rest, yes, but it was pretty crowded to my (US) sensibilities.  I think we have some members that have spent more time there than I that could chime in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 27, 2020, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on March 27, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
From what I understand, the Japanese already practice what we would call social distancing.  They bow, rather than shake hands, have a lot of personal space, aren't very touchy-feely, etc.  And they're used to wearing masks if they're sick, in order to prevent spreading it to others.  They're fastidiously neat as well, and wash their hands frequently.  I've never been there, this is information I've heard from someone living there as an explanation for the low incidences of covid.



More on that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIsZjjbE3c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 27, 2020, 04:19:27 PM
The Bee imitates life:

https://babylonbee.com/news/with-everyone-telecomuting-pants-sales-plummet

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/walmart-tops-bottoms-sales-trnd/index.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: dogmush on March 27, 2020, 03:14:28 PM
That was not my experience when I visited. The rest, yes, but it was pretty crowded to my (US) sensibilities.  I think we have some members that have spent more time there than I that could chime in.

Also never been, but from pictures I see of their trains and stuff, seems like a lot of their public transport gets pretty cozy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 04:45:05 PM
Trump orders GM to prioritize ventilators over cars.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/breaking-trump-invokes-dpa-orders-gm-to-start-making-ventilators/

In this case I'm kinda fine with the gov interference, given all our tax money that went to GM for their bailout while Ford took care of themselves. Also, while only alluded to in the article, it kinda looks like GM wanted to gouge some extra dough out of the deal during the standard negotiations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 27, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
Also never been, but from pictures I see of their trains and stuff, seems like a lot of their public transport gets pretty cozy.

Been to Japan many many times. My Western point of comparison is German, Belgian, French cities, as well as America.

Japanese spaces are small and cramped, and people are accustomed to crowding together. So I would not give them any advantage on physical proximity, if anything it may be slightly worse. However, almost everything else about Japan would be better: systematic facemasks, bowing, frequently cleaning everything squeaky clean in public spaces, toilets segregated from bathing spaces. Literally all toilets have water spray functions. They are still taking off/changing shoes at most houses, most traditional restaurants, and change shoes again when going into the bathrooms. Even schools and factories change to indoor shoes immediately before entry. Japan has no PDA and even holding hands is rare to see. They do eat eggs, meat and seafood raw, but never walk around eating or drinking. Smoking is common but not universal anymore. Water fountains do not exist, cheap and common vending machines fill in.

In Europe cities I would say you have all of the crowding and none of the hygiene. They cram into trains and busses just the same except the trains, busses and stations are basically filthy by Japanese standards. Don't even mention the restrooms. They also go around eating in public, shaking hands, kissing everyone they meet, and also smoking. In America we add hugging, add eating food with our hands, add obesity, add walking around constantly with coffee or Big Gulps, and subtract smoking, kissing, and most public transport.

Overall I would say if Japan turns out to be better I would say the 6FT rule is bogus, but just clean everything obsessively and don't touch anyone. So Nikola Tesla was right basically.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 27, 2020, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 04:45:05 PM
Trump orders GM to prioritize ventilators over cars.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/breaking-trump-invokes-dpa-orders-gm-to-start-making-ventilators/

In this case I'm kinda fine with the gov interference, given all our tax money that went to GM for their bailout while Ford took care of themselves. Also, while only alluded to in the article, it kinda looks like GM wanted to gouge some extra dough out of the deal during the standard negotiations.

I'll give Ford props since they are already working on ventilators and other PPE in conjunction with 3M and GE Healthcare.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on March 27, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
In regards to third world countries:

Some of them are pretty far off the regularly beaten track. It may take awhile for the virus to get there.

Poor people outside of cities would have pretty limited contact with the outside world.

There is going to be not just lack of testing, but lack of medical care available. Many will die in their homes, be buried and the details not hit what passes for a system for awhile.

I doubt we will know the impact in some places until long after this is over and even then, some details are going to be fuzzy. 

I think you're onto something there.  A lot less contact in many circles.  The west and China/Asia are super connected.  And when some small company in BumFlop, USA sends a rep to their supplier in China...well you get spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
Made in China
Wonder if they were using the same test kits in China?

Quote
March 10: Kyiv Mayor Klitschko posts pic of coronavirus tests that arrived in Ukraine, promising more to come.

Turns out the tests are Chinese-made Bioeasy, the same company Spain found to be only 30% accurate and sent back to China. pic.twitter.com/MLfZgA2CZK

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) March 27, 2020

Quote
   China reportedly sold Spain 640,000 COVID-19 test kits that don't work https://t.co/D6FouM97dB

    — Twitchy Team (@TwitchyTeam) March 26, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/add-ukraine-to-the-list-of-countries-that-received-the-piece-of-crap-covid-19-tests-from-china/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 27, 2020, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 27, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
Made in China
Wonder if they were using the same test kits in China?
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/27/add-ukraine-to-the-list-of-countries-that-received-the-piece-of-crap-covid-19-tests-from-china/

Probably.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/czech-republic-test-kits/2020/03/26/id/960014/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/03/china-movie-theaters-shut-down-coronavirus-1202220888/

Hmmmm....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 27, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/03/china-movie-theaters-shut-down-coronavirus-1202220888/

Hmmmm....

Unpossible. Our Hollywood celebrities have told us that China has everything under control and zero cases, unlike the evil, racist US.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 27, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
A little humor in the time of the virus.  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243615256661934080
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 27, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/government-sends-out-1000-to-each-citizen-so-theyll-have-something-to-wipe-with-after-money-loses-all-value
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 27, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 27, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
A little humor in the time of the virus.  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243615256661934080

Perfectenschlag!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 27, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
(https://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Scans%20%20Photos%20ect/Xi%20smollette_zpsejyv1a7r.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 27, 2020, 09:30:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2r6rca2v4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 27, 2020, 10:29:44 PM
I'd just like to point out that some stores, such as Menards, may have RV/marine toilet paper in a separate (possibly unnoticed) section of the store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 27, 2020, 10:40:17 PM
If they're anything like the local Walmart, that's gone too.

And I've used that stuff.  Single ply at best.  Ended up using 2x the normal amount. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 28, 2020, 12:19:33 AM
From the National Park Service:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET-bgpjXYAcd_eA?format=jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 28, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
For those who haven't gotten a Real ID yet, I just saw on the tv that the deadline is now OCT2021 due to the beer virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 09:59:37 AM

Quote from: Cliffh on March 27, 2020, 10:40:17 PM
If they're anything like the local Walmart, that's gone too.

And I've used that stuff.  Single ply at best.  Ended up using 2x the normal amount. 

Menards carries one and two ply. Haven't actually tried it yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 28, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
We have not left the house since Tuesday, but the local FB pages are saying that TP is generally back in stock now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: mgdavis on March 28, 2020, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: fistful on March 28, 2020, 09:59:37 AM
Menards carries one and two ply. Haven't actually tried it yet.
The RV/Marine stuff is designed to minimize clogs by breaking down fast when it gets wet. Really fast. Break-through can be an issue.   :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 28, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
I went to a private gun range on Thur but other than that haven't left the house other than to walk around the neighborhood.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 28, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
We have not left the house since Tuesday, but the local FB pages are saying that TP is generally back in stock now.

Not here in the St Louis area. I just got back from the other side of the state, and there's none out in the boondocks, either. It's gettin ridonkulous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 28, 2020, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: fistful on March 28, 2020, 10:12:34 AM
and there's none out in the boondocks, either. It's gettin ridonkulous.

I'm finding the same interesting thing here. City stores seem to be getting TP in, but the rural grocery stores I go to are stil out of tp, while being much better stocked on most other things. I would have thought rural populations would naturally have a bit more of that stuff stored at home for whatever.

Though  I read in the local paper that many rural areas are complaining about city slickers both coming to their areas to "get away from the virus" and to hit the much, much smaller grocery stores for supplies the city stores are out of. Sort of what we (and many books, both fiction and non-fiction) often talk about as one result of a SHTF scenario.City dwellers leave for the boonies because they somehow think they're "living off the land", not recognizing people are already there and maybe not happy about an invading hoard.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 28, 2020, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 28, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
We have not left the house since Tuesday, but the local FB pages are saying that TP is generally back in stock now.

It's usually gone by 9am if they get a truck that AM. I'm so glad when I was in Nebraska earlier this when I asked the wife to pick up 3x what she normally picks up. She for once didn't argue with me, so I came home and she had bought 3-24pks long before the panic. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/global-condom-shortage-looking-likely-after-worlds-biggest-producer-shuts-down-over-coronavirus

Hmm . . . couples forced to stay home . . . lots of free time . . . shortage of condoms . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 28, 2020, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 28, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/global-condom-shortage-looking-likely-after-worlds-biggest-producer-shuts-down-over-coronavirus

Hmm . . . couples forced to stay home . . . lots of free time . . . shortage of condoms . . .


Another missed apocalypse investment opportunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 28, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2020, 01:22:48 PM
Another missed apocalypse investment opportunity.
So invest in Gerber and Pampers because they are going to have a good 4th Quarter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 28, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Went to the Giant near me a bit ago to see if they had a few things.

Frozen foods are still pretty much a wasteland. No frozen vegetables, no frozen fruit, very little ice cream. No toilet paper or towels, but meat is in good supply, as is cheese, eggs, and milk.

Saw a manager and asked him if they're not getting frozen foods in, or if they're getting them in and they're simply going out that quickly. He said that they're getting only a portion of their regular shipments of frozen food in right now, and what they do get goes quickly. I'm assuming that the same is true of toilet paper and towels.

I was able to get bread and dishwasher detergent, but soaps and detergents are also quite picked over.

I'm going to head to the Walmart later this evening to see what the situation is there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 28, 2020, 01:46:46 PM
Hum... Looks like Walmart stores are now closing at 8:30 p.m. No more 24 hour for the time being for my local store. I think I'll go tomorrow morning early; they open at 7 a.m.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 28, 2020, 01:46:46 PM
Hum... Looks like Walmart stores are now closing at 8:30 p.m. No more 24 hour for the time being for my local store. I think I'll go tomorrow morning early; they open at 7 a.m.

Most stores seem to be doing that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 28, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: fistful on March 28, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
Most stores seem to be doing that.

They made an national announcement a few weeks ago that all stores will be doing this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 28, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
I missed seeing/hearing it. Makes sense, though, if they're actually working to sanitize the stores. Those are some damned big stores to work over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 28, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Saw loaf bread on the shelf and lots of it for the first time since this insanity started

Still no TP and not much chicken but those were the only real shortages
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 28, 2020, 02:53:48 PM
I was at my little store this morning. They started special hours 7-9AM for the over 65 crowd this morning, which meant they were out of donuts when I got there at 0900. Still pretty well stocked. Tons of potatoes now. Eggs were about 2/3 gone. I forgot to check the TP aisle. Ice cream is still low. They've now switched from "one only" or "two only" depending on the item to "two only of everything unless otherwise marked". Something like yogurt, they allowed four containers.

It was more crowded than usual this morning. So far it's has been the usual crowd of no more than a half dozen people in the store. Today there must have been twenty. Absolutely no one was observing the six foot rule. I need to make a note to just go midweek mid morning until further notice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: charby on March 28, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
They made an national announcement a few weeks ago that all stores will be doing this.

Oh, so we can blame Trump, then?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 28, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Headline article from Drudge: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html

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President Donald Trump said Saturday that he’s considering placing a short-term quarantine on New York, New Jersey and certain parts of Connecticut as the coronavirus outbreak continues to spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 28, 2020, 04:33:01 PM
Rhode Island governor orders New Yorkers who "escape" to RI to be quarantined.

https://news.yahoo.com/rhode-island-police-hunt-down-211405349.html

Seems like a smart move to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 28, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
I wonder if we're going to start welding door shut ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 28, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Costco closing 6:30 M-F, 6:00 S-S
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 28, 2020, 06:03:02 PM
Costco looked to be fairly well stocked, except for of course TP & PTs of which there was zero
Sam's had bare spots but way better than they were a week ago. And zero TP & PTs
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 06:59:22 PM
Map tracks cell phone movement from Ft. Lauderdale beach to all over the eastern US.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cellphone-heat-map-from-single-florida-beach-during-spring-break-shows-potential-spread-of-coronavirus-across-u-s
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 28, 2020, 06:59:47 PM
Yeah, meant to mention that potatoes and onions of all strips are back in stock.

In fact, I got a couple of russets and the last 2 nights my dinner has been a loaded baked potato done in the air fryer. Makes GREAT baked potatoes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 28, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 28, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Headline article from Drudge: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html


https://www.dailywire.com/news/governor-cuomo-trump-quarantining-new-york-to-stop-coronavirus-is-declaration-of-war-on-new-york

That seems odd, coming from someone that quarantined his whole state. Is he at war with New Rochelle?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 28, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
https://twitter.com/aandgshow/status/1244035138129817602?s=12

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUOzXbEUYAAWUz9?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 28, 2020, 07:25:09 PM
Who isn't at war with New Rochelle...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 28, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
Ref NYC exodus to Rhode Island:
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“Yesterday I announced and today I reiterated: Anyone coming to Rhode Island in any way from New York must be quarantined,” the governor said. “By order. Will be enforced. Enforceable by law.”
....

The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union blasted the new rules, objecting to the collection of motorists’ contact information in particular.

Shades of the Japanese quarantine in WWII.

I have no answer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 28, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
Wonder if the current lull will continue until we get the next round of infected,  and then get completely stupid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 28, 2020, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: Andiron on March 28, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
Wonder if the current lull will continue until we get the next round of infected,  and then get completely stupid.
I was wondering about people getting complacent during a lull.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 28, 2020, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2020, 10:28:16 AM
I'm finding the same interesting thing here. City stores seem to be getting TP in, but the rural grocery stores I go to are stil out of tp, while being much better stocked on most other things. I would have thought rural populations would naturally have a bit more of that stuff stored at home for whatever.

Though  I read in the local paper that many rural areas are complaining about city slickers both coming to their areas to "get away from the virus" and to hit the much, much smaller grocery stores for supplies the city stores are out of. Sort of what we (and many books, both fiction and non-fiction) often talk about as one result of a SHTF scenario.City dwellers leave for the boonies because they somehow think they're "living off the land", not recognizing people are already there and maybe not happy about an invading hoard.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html

Part of my job is selling fishing/hunting licenses, ammo & long guns.  I see a lot of driver licenses, especially over the last few weeks.  I've been seeing licenses from towns over 100 miles from here, a lot from towns I've never heard of.  More than the usual amount are from out of state.

Most of the long distance licenses are for fishing licenses, (they also represent a lot of ammo purchases).  Not sure why, since the local fishing isn't all that great.  There are a few lakes around, but there are also many other places to buy a fishing license much closer to the lakes than we are.  I doubt that they're here for the lodging, again there is more lodging closer to the lakes and we don't have all that much lodging around here.

Probably 99% of the gun and/or ammo purchases are for one of three reasons; 1) I'm going to have to hunt my own food; 2) gotta protect my family/food/supplies/freedom/whatever from the ravaging hordes and/or .gov (state, fed or both depending on the individual); or 3) both 1 & 2.

And the paper aisle at WM is still empty.  Frozen foods are down to maybe 5%.  Veggies, meat & dairy are at ~50%.  Ammo case is basically empty, I could count the available calibers/gauges without taking off my shoes.  It was stocked with at least 20 boxes of asst. last night - the new stock was gone by noon today.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 28, 2020, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 28, 2020, 07:25:09 PM
Who isn't at war with New Rochelle...

We have always been at war with New Rochelle
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 29, 2020, 12:52:59 AM
Quote from: fistful on March 28, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/governor-cuomo-trump-quarantining-new-york-to-stop-coronavirus-is-declaration-of-war-on-new-york

That seems odd, coming from someone that quarantined his whole state. Is he at war with New Rochelle?

From the article:

Quote
Later in the interview, CNN’s Ana Cabrera asked Cuomo, “What’s the status when it comes to ventilators in New York state? Because I know that’s been one of the big issues of concern for you.”

Cuomo responded, “Well, the ventilators which by the way, before this situation nobody really gave a second thought to ventilators, what has happened, one of the peculiar situations with this disease it’s a respiratory disease, it effects the lungs very badly and people who are acutely ill with the virus they all need a ventilator and they’re on these ventilators much longer than most people are on ventilators with other diseases.”

“So you have more people needing ventilators, and they’re on them longer, which increases the need for the ventilators. And everybody is trying to get ventilators,” Cuomo continued. “You have 50 states bidding against each other for ventilators. You have 50 states competing with the federal government to buy ventilators. You have countries around the world trying to get ventilators. So we’re trying to do the best we can. We’re acquiring as many as we can. There’s a new technology that we’re using that splits, they call it splitting, where one ventilator can do two people. We are implementing that procedure across the state, and we’re doing the best we can to move people that need the ventilators to places that have the ventilators. But that’s one of the great logistical problems with this entire situation.”

Gotta hand it to the Gov -- that's one of the longest non-answers I think I've ever encountered.

Was it yesterday or two days ago that Cuomo admitted the state of New York has a large stockpile of ventilators that they haven't distributed  yet because "We don't need them yet."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 29, 2020, 08:24:40 AM
Those ventilators will continue to sit in the warehouse collecting dust too. Gotta make that death toll as high as possible to help Biden.

Just like the Michigan and Nevada Democrat governors making it illegal for docs to proscribe quinine. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 29, 2020, 08:24:53 AM
One of the IL deaths yesterday was an infant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 29, 2020, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 29, 2020, 08:24:53 AM
One of the IL deaths yesterday was an infant.


Notable because the exception proves the rule.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
So all that money that went to the Kennedy Center to keep it and it's employees going? The Kennedy Center just laid off most of their employees. Seems like a good reason to cancel the check and redirect the dough to something response related.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/29/nancy-pelosis-slush-fund-kennedy-center-tells-musicians-they-will-stop-paying-them-hours-after-25-million-covid-bailout-signed/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 29, 2020, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 29, 2020, 08:52:48 AM
Notable because the exception proves the rule.

To a degree.  One point I've made all along, though, is being American is pretty much a preexisting condition.  America's health is trash.  40% obesity.  30% high blood pressure.  30% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
30 million have asthma.  1/3 of the population is over 50. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 29, 2020, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 29, 2020, 09:19:59 AM
To a degree.  One point I've made all along, though, is being American is pretty much a preexisting condition.  America's health is trash.  40% obesity.  30% high blood pressure.  30% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
30 million have asthma.  1/3 of the population is over 50.  


Obesity will become a survival asset if we really do hit a real food shortage (as opposed to a temporary inconvenience). Don't they say 10 lb ~= 40,000 calories? If I ate nothing at all for 2 months, I would literally become heathier.

It's sad that the baby died, but a certain number of babies die, even in normal times. We are getting to infection scales where the law of large numbers will dictate it will happen eventually. Eventually we will have our first centenarian death, our first death within one second of midnight, our first death of a person on their birthday, etc...

I'm not saying the virus isn't responsible, just that if you have some arbitrary milestone of first X to die from the virus, it's just a matter of time until it gets crossed, and not surprising when it does. What matters is the overall picture.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
Ha ha - Booze is an essential service in Idaho.  :laugh:

https://mix106radio.com/why-idahos-liquor-stores-have-been-deemed-essential-under-the-stay-home-order/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 29, 2020, 11:03:57 AM
Pennsylvania closed its liquor stores and people are pissed.

There have also been a number of articles in state papers and news sites about how the closure could affect alcoholics.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 29, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/

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Red and Blue America Agree That Now Is the Time to Violate the Constitution
People of both parties seem rather okay with undermining core civil liberties in order to fight the pandemic.

Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.

 :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 29, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/

Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.

 :mad:


Relevant and interesting side discussion. Replace "virus" with "X". I think there are a lot of instances where people talk big about freedom, but like so many other things (e.g., 9/11), they fold pretty quickly for "safety" and "free money".

Devil's advocate: I wonder how many of these constitutional infringements we'd see if people took some basic responsibility to voluntarily give up a few luxuries as a response to the virus. Spring Break comes to mind.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2020, 11:54:08 AM
How long before panicky people start shooting people? I fear it may just take a little nudge with some people which will fuel a stronger dem and rino push for gun confiscation  

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A group of armed vigilantes cut down a tree and dragged it across a man’s driveway in Maine to force him to quarantine in his home amid fears he could be infected with the coronavirus, officials said.

A man residing on Cripple Creek Road in Vinalhaven, an island off the coast of Maine, called authorities around 3:35 p.m. Friday to report a group of people with guns had cut down a large tree and dragged it in front of his driveway, blocking access to the main road.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maine-coronavirus-armed-vigilantes-chop-down-tree-block-driveway-force-neighbor-quarantine
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 29, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 29, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/

Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.

 :mad:


I don't think it's funny as in ha, ha.  I think it's disgusting.

I don't think it's funny as in hmmm either.  I think it's completely unsurprising.  Further erosion of our rights has been met with yawns and justifications from the majority of the population for many decades.  These most recent degradations are just the next logical step.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2020, 01:59:12 PM
Friend of mine is not taking a single precaution because he thinks it's all a hoax. His reasoning? He cites something he found on the interne where some reporter falsified something in a story on the virust thus in his mind all stories on the virus are falsified.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 29, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 29, 2020, 11:54:08 AM
How long before panicky people start shooting people? I fear it may just take a little nudge with some people which will fuel a stronger dem and rino push for gun confiscation  
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maine-coronavirus-armed-vigilantes-chop-down-tree-block-driveway-force-neighbor-quarantine
Since when does "self-quarantine" mean you have to remain in your house and never go outside?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 29, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 29, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Since when does "self-quarantine" mean you have to remain in your house and never go outside?

Since now, apparently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165415/Armed-vigilantes-cut-tree-use-roadblock-quarantine-workers-New-Jersey.html

Notice: The article doesn't like my ad blocker. It may not like yours, if you have one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 29, 2020, 08:19:18 PM
I am ready if the toilet paper runs out.

(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/5da05f0d9a74ed30d8ed0565-large.jpg?cache_buster=975d9279d9dc2ab90a29b9574bc5e001)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 29, 2020, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 29, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Since now, apparently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165415/Armed-vigilantes-cut-tree-use-roadblock-quarantine-workers-New-Jersey.html

Notice: The article doesn't like my ad blocker. It may not like yours, if you have one.
On the other hand, they are from New Jersey.  Maybe they were treating them that way for years.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2020, 09:41:21 PM
Stupid celebrity virus spreaders:

https://time.com/5811938/blaine-county-idaho-coronavirus/

On the bright side, it's one of only two liberal enclaves in Idaho, so...  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Interesting aside on toilet paper shortages. This one was caused by unions rather than a virus (though some would argue they are one in the same).  :laugh:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/03/29/toilet-paper-shortage-hawaii/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 29, 2020, 09:55:20 PM
https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 29, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 29, 2020, 09:19:59 AM
To a degree.  One point I've made all along, though, is being American is pretty much a preexisting condition.  America's health is trash.  40% obesity.  30% high blood pressure.  30% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
30 million have asthma.  1/3 of the population is over 50. 


OK, but the fatality rate in the US is relatively low, right? Under 2%. So maybe those conditions aren't that much of a problem.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
140 cases in Louisville now
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 30, 2020, 06:36:49 AM
Hit Walmart yesterday afternoon. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the shelves were very well stocked. I even saw people wheeling around acceptable amounts of toilet paper and paper towels.

Best of all, I was finally able to find frozen blueberries for my oatmeal. That made me happy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 30, 2020, 07:43:45 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 29, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-america-constitution/608665/

Funny how there is has been such little resistance to these unconstitutional power grabs.

 :mad:


I'm not sure we've ever had those freedoms.  The government has increased infringements since the Whiskey Rebellion.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 30, 2020, 09:39:59 AM
I stopped by Kroger yesterday.

Either people are actually social distancing, or Sunday afternoon is the time to go to Kroger. It wasn't a ghost town, but I had no problem keeping 6 feet away from other shoppers.

Didn't check toilet paper (we still have plenty), but the meat section was not fully stocked, but had plenty of selection (including chicken!). Milk and eggs looked to be normal amounts.

Lots of fresh veggies and onions and potatoes available. Beans and rice were pretty picked over, still. Looks like things are approaching normal, at least, but not quite back yet. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 30, 2020, 12:51:39 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 30, 2020, 09:39:59 AM
I stopped by Kroger yesterday.

Either people are actually social distancing, or Sunday afternoon is the time to go to Kroger. It wasn't a ghost town, but I had no problem keeping 6 feet away from other shoppers.

Didn't check toilet paper (we still have plenty), but the meat section was not fully stocked, but had plenty of selection (including chicken!). Milk and eggs looked to be normal amounts.

Lots of fresh veggies and onions and potatoes available. Beans and rice were pretty picked over, still. Looks like things are approaching normal, at least, but not quite back yet. 

My guess is that a lot of people are using the pickup service, as Kroger has currently waived the $5 fee associated with it.  We used it this past weekend and there where 4 other cars there waiting to pickup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 30, 2020, 01:20:07 PM
Maryland just issued a lock down order starting at 8 p.m. tonight.

Edit In:

No, that's not right, it's a stay at home order. Still allowed to go out for things like exercise and of course the essentials.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 30, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 30, 2020, 01:20:07 PM
Maryland just issued a lock down order starting at 8 p.m. tonight.

Edit In:

No, that's not right, it's a stay at home order. Still allowed to go out for things like exercise and of course the essentials.

VA did as well today.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 30, 2020, 03:08:14 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 30, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
VA did as well today.

See what Iowa does today at 230pm when the governor has her daily press conference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 30, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 30, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
VA did as well today.

I listened to the announcement.

IFF the governor is telling the truth that the beaches were packed over the weekend (and, despite him being a liar about many things, this is one I believe) I can understand the order.

HOWEVER, it once again illustrates the need to approach different areas with different policies. I'm fairly certain that, for example, (checks map) Bath County has no need to have shelter in place because the beaches were packed.

I fully believe people made stupid decisions. It also illustrates the principle that those who will not govern themselves (morals/values, etc...) will find the law stepping in to govern them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lupinus on March 30, 2020, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 30, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
I listened to the announcement.

IFF the governor is telling the truth that the beaches were packed over the weekend (and, despite him being a liar about many things, this is one I believe) I can understand the order.

HOWEVER, it once again illustrates the need to approach different areas with different policies. I'm fairly certain that, for example, (checks map) Bath County has no need to have shelter in place because the beaches were packed.

I fully believe people made stupid decisions. It also illustrates the principle that those who will not govern themselves (morals/values, etc...) will find the law stepping in to govern them.
I think part of the reasoning is the stupid people came from somewhere, and went home somewhere, so such a small area being under such an order doesn't have as much effect.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
DHS has sent out an advisory recommending that gun stores remain open. I don't think we would have seen that under Obama.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-guidelines-advise-states-to-let-gun-stores-stay-open-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 30, 2020, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 30, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
DHS has sent out an advisory recommending that gun stores remain open. I don't think we would have seen that under Obama.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-guidelines-advise-states-to-let-gun-stores-stay-open-amid-coronavirus-pandemic

State law in Ky. Can the feds override that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2020, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 30, 2020, 03:40:26 PM
State law in Ky. Can the feds override that?

Same here (at least if you mean it's state law that they remain open). However, CA for instance, is going in the other direction (LA county has been a yoyo of closed/open/closed). Whether fed.gov can say yes or no is an interesting question, though this is just an advisory. I think it would be harder to justify closing something vs leaving something open.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 30, 2020, 04:00:38 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 30, 2020, 03:40:26 PM
State law in Ky. Can the feds override that?

I doubt it.  Business licenses, health inspections, etc are all state/local issued. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 30, 2020, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: charby on March 30, 2020, 03:08:14 PM
See what Iowa does today at 230pm when the governor has her daily press conference.

She said she'll make a decision by the end of the week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 30, 2020, 06:44:05 PM
Got my essential employee letter today in case the governor orders shelter in place
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 30, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 29, 2020, 08:19:18 PM
I am ready if the toilet paper runs out.

(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/5da05f0d9a74ed30d8ed0565-large.jpg?cache_buster=975d9279d9dc2ab90a29b9574bc5e001)

Ahem --- There are times when a scraper is necessary. Does this device come with one?  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 30, 2020, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 30, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Ahem --- There are times when a scraper is necessary. Does this device come with one?  :old:

Woody

Hehehe

He doesn't know how to use the three seashells...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 30, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Ahem --- There are times when a scraper is necessary. Does this device come with one?  :old:

Woody
For me, there is a shower nearby if it gets that bad. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 30, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
I'm really surprised that no one is going all Roman Empire.

I present to you...

The sponge on a stick

(https://www.hdis.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4b6f6b9270b8f87e1c993135a57575bb/b/a/bathsponge.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 30, 2020, 08:59:55 PM
Yeah shower is two steps from crapper at home and two and a half steps from the cabin crapper. And don't ask me how I know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 30, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
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Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner made a televised plea to Houston’s criminal population to just chill and take a break from committing crimes until after the COVID-19 crisis had passed.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/30/houstons-mayor-tells-criminals-to-chill-until-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-contained-and-then-go-back-to-crime/

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 30, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/30/houstons-mayor-tells-criminals-to-chill-until-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-contained-and-then-go-back-to-crime/

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Muslim Sal @Muslim_Sal_G
Replying to @stclairashley

I was actually being beaten and sodomized when the mayor's announcement came on. When he heard it, my attacker stopped, took a step back, and smiled at me. We just looked at each other and said "chill" then went our separate ways. Later he sent me a friend request on Facebook.
:rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
Houston just reelected that guy last fall.  Had a pretty good challenger.  I feel sorry for the people who were smart enough to vote for the challenger.  I hope the others get what they asked for. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 10:31:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1244447655738122246?s=19

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Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
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Mar 29
Today I issued an Executive Order preventing the@release of dangerous criminals from prisons & jails.

We want to prevent the spread of #COVID19 among prison staff & inmates.

But, releasing dangerous criminals in the streets is not the solution.

I guess that is some good news. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1244669123570937863

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Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
Rachel Maddow said that it was “nonsense” that a naval hospital ship would “be operational in New York Harbor by next week.”

Today, the naval hospital ship USNS Comfort docked in New York City.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 30, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 30, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
Houston just reelected that guy last fall.  Had a pretty good challenger.  I feel sorry for the people who were smart enough to vote for the challenger.  I hope the others get what they asked for. 

When did they get rid of Hon. Annus Parker?  (she should have been a South Park character)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 31, 2020, 06:18:31 AM
At least the TX governor has some sense

The courts have ordered the release of a number of prisoners here and and ordered arrests to be very limited. The courts also don’t want to tell us what crimes they had committed. The sheriffs and police chiefs are pissed off as hell about it because they know crime will increase.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 07:11:51 AM
According to a message I just got from my county supervisor, one of the ways that I can volunteer during this crisis is to:

Chalk your Driveway or Sidewalk
Write positive, uplifting messages in chalk on your driveway or sidewalk.


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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 31, 2020, 07:26:52 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 31, 2020, 07:11:51 AM
According to a message I just got from my county supervisor, one of the ways that I can volunteer during this crisis is to:

Chalk your Driveway or Sidewalk
Write positive, uplifting messages in chalk on your driveway or sidewalk.


 :facepalm:


A few suggestions-
DON'T BE A *expletive deleted*ing MORON, STAY HOME
LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT
COMMUNISM KILLS
EPSTEIN DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF
GO AWAY!
IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU ARE IN RANGE
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 08:00:21 AM
I have no doubt that my chalked message would be

GEDOFFADASIDEWALK, YA PUNK ass KID!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 31, 2020, 08:32:20 AM
On this morning's walk I saw some female had chalked her phone number and a request to be called on the sidewalk and in a driveway someone had asked in large block letters whether we could shower now or whether we had to just keep washing our hands.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
"whether we could shower now or whether we had to just keep washing our hands."

For real?

Jesus Christ, with people that stupid how has the human race survived self extinction?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 31, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
"whether we could shower now or whether we had to just keep washing our hands."

For real?

Jesus Christ, with people that stupid how has the human race survived self extinction?

Shower vs hand washing sounds like a troll/sarcastic to me. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 31, 2020, 09:44:04 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a poor attempt at a joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 31, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 31, 2020, 09:44:04 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a poor attempt at a joke.

I think it's a great attempt at a poor joke.  (sometimes those are the best ones)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 31, 2020, 09:48:02 AM
Sometimes the best ones are where some people can't tell it's a joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Shower vs hand washing sounds like a troll/sarcastic to me. 


Yeah, I wish I were that positive. But after hearing some of the reports about the *expletive deleted*it that people are doing... not so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 31, 2020, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 31, 2020, 10:07:56 AM

Yeah, I wish I were that positive. But after hearing some of the reports about the *expletive deleted*it that people are doing... not so much.

Saw that as a Facebook meme a few days ago
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 31, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
Interesting USA Today story.

The China Virus is not a fast mutator.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 31, 2020, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 31, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
Interesting USA Today story.

The China Virus is not a fast mutator.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/
I have seen that said before.  I have also heard others say the opposite.  Everyone is repeating all sorts of stuff. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 31, 2020, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 31, 2020, 11:06:18 AM
I have seen that said before.  I have also heard others say the opposite.  Everyone is repeating all sorts of stuff. 

Well these guys interviewed are the ones sequencing the genome from samples all over the country and world.

Not statistics but actual data.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 31, 2020, 11:21:32 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-woman-86-dies-knocked-ground-violating-coronavirus-social-distancing.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Woman, 86, dies after knocked to ground at NYC hospital for violating coronavirus social distancing

This story was going around recently about an elderly lady getting slugged by another patient.  I saw it here, but can't remember where.  It seems the elderly lady died.  A cause of death was not stated.  Maybe that was in the original story, but I missed it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 11:34:53 AM
Supposedly the woman who assaulted the elderly lady was in her 30s and has had multiple run ins with the law for a variety of rather heavy stuff. Just the kind of person you wonder why is out in society.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 31, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 31, 2020, 11:34:53 AM
Supposedly the woman who assaulted the elderly lady was in her 30s and has had multiple run ins with the law for a variety of rather heavy stuff. Just the kind of person you wonder why is out in society.

I blame the politicians for cutting funding for the metal hospitals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 31, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
I blame the politicians for cutting funding for the metal hospitals.

Were they better than the concrete ones of today?

(Politicians weren't the only ones. There was also a strong lobby effort to "humanize" the insane and stop forcing them into institutions, which lead to the defunding...)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 31, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
Were they better than the concrete ones of today?

(Politicians weren't the only ones. There was also a strong lobby effort to "humanize" the insane and stop forcing them into institutions, which lead to the defunding...)

I thought they were made of rubber...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 31, 2020, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
I blame the politicians for cutting funding for the metal hospitals.

At least they're not pop hospitals. Listening to katy perry all day couldn't be good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 31, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: makattak on March 31, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
Were they better than the concrete ones of today?

(Politicians weren't the only ones. There was also a strong lobby effort to "humanize" the insane and stop forcing them into institutions, which lead to the defunding...)

There was some of that, and for many (not all) modern medicine allowed them to function in society. In Iowa it was political, mental hospitals are expensive to run and the current party in charge and their funding sources are moving to cut, cut, cut taxes, so things got to go.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 31, 2020, 12:18:59 PM
Egalitarianism and tabula rasa run amok.

Some people are mentally broken due to structural or physical reasons and need to be institutionalized. They unfortunately will never be able to function normally.

Instutionalizing them might also catch those who medication can help.

What that would like I have no idea. Letting them live in squalor in and around the big cities is terrible for them and society though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2020, 12:22:49 PM
Just got my notification that I'm an essential government contractor.

Even have an authorization letter in case I'm stopped by the po-po.


Wheeeeeeeee.....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
Hey, tangent subject: What do you guys think the virus will do for wait times for NFA stuff? I have two stinkin' suppressors in jail right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 31, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
Hey, tangent subject: What do you guys think the virus will do for wait times for NFA stuff? I have two stinkin' suppressors in jail right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it extend.  A lot of the office types in the federal government have been sent home.  Some are working from home but I don't know how equipped the BATAFEIEIO was for work from home.


On another note, San Fran is seeing a slowdown in cases, 2 weeks after they locked down
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/30/bend-it-like-the-bay-area-doctors-see-flatter-curve-after-2-weeks-of-social-isolation-1269663
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 31, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
In Iowa it was political, mental hospitals are expensive to run and the current party in charge and their funding sources are moving to cut, cut, cut taxes, so things got to go.
I know you like repeating the "we're just not taxed enough!", and "things would be so much better if those darn politicians would just tax us more!" lines, but ...
(https://i.imgur.com/2kR8DUV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6UkujWe.png)

Sorry, I flipped the colors between charts, but the labels are correct.  I don't think the dollars are inflation adjusted, but even when you adjust for inflation the trend is definitely up, up, up not cut, cut, cut.

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/government-finances/spending/?state=19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on March 31, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/30/bend-it-like-the-bay-area-doctors-see-flatter-curve-after-2-weeks-of-social-isolation-1269663
After 14 days — the outermost period at which symptoms are believed to emerge post-infection — doctors at area hospitals are now reporting fewer cases than they expected to see at this point, and officials credit the lockdown with stemming the tide of patients they feared would flood into emergency rooms.
...
Because testing remains uneven, it's difficult to draw broad comparisons between regions. A few weeks ago, America's most populous state drew the nation's greatest concern after community spread was detected here first. But California now has fewer total deaths than five other U.S. states, according to the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center. And on a per capita basis, 13 states had a higher death rate Monday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 31, 2020, 02:54:58 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/31/the-real-coronavirus-chronology-shows-trump-was-on-top-of-it-while-biden-was-mocking-the-danger/

A bit tendentious, perhaps, but an interesting timeline. Raises some interesting points.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on March 31, 2020, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 31, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.

Probably because feces isn't a big transmission vector.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 31, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 31, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
I know you like repeating the "we're just not taxed enough!", and "things would be so much better if those darn politicians would just tax us more!" lines, but ...
https://i.imgur.com/2kR8DUV.png
https://i.imgur.com/6UkujWe.png

Sorry, I flipped the colors between charts, but the labels are correct.  I don't think the dollars are inflation adjusted, but even when you adjust for inflation the trend is definitely up, up, up not cut, cut, cut.

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/government-finances/spending/?state=19

Those charts are faulty because goods and services cost more than what in 1983 then why they do in 2016. Households also make more money then what they did in 1983.

I wish they wouldn't cut taxes because a tax cut in one area, is usually a bigger tax increase in another. Cut property taxes and there is a local sales tax increase to pay for what property taxes paid for, etc. Iowa also has 3.1 million people, not a huge tax base so one should expect taxes to be higher than a smaller sized state with more residents.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 31, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 31, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.


There's good news in Washington, too.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/update-spread-appears-to-be-slowing-down-195-total-deaths-in-first-u-s-coronavirus-hotbed-seattle
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 31, 2020, 03:45:01 PM
Ran across this article from WebMD (You Are Going To DieTM) https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200331/covid-19-death-rate-drops-still-deadly-to-seniors (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200331/covid-19-death-rate-drops-still-deadly-to-seniors)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 31, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Those charts are faulty because goods and services cost more than what in 1983 then why they do in 2016.  Households also make more money then what they did in 1983.
Yes, that's called inflation, which I already addressed but I'd be happy to do so more explicitly.  From what I could find, inflation from 1983 to 2016 is something like an average of 3% a year or 191% total.  Add in the original amount and you're looking at essentially tripling the 1983 amount to achieve a rough equivalence with the 2016 amount.  So if state revenue per person were $1,673.88 in 1983 then in 2016 you'd expect it to be something like $5,021.64.  

Instead we see $7,912.32.  But even if all the increase were straight inflation and not actual increase in government budget, I'm still not seeing the "cut, cut, cut" when it comes either to taxation or to spending, which was - if I'm not misunderstanding you - your original claim that Republicans and "their funding sources" were pushing to the presumed detriment of your state.

Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
I wish they wouldn't cut taxes because a tax cut in one area, is usually a bigger tax increase in another. Cut property taxes and there is a local sales tax increase to pay for what property taxes paid for, etc.
Which is it?  You don't want the government to cut taxes at all because you want higher taxes to pay for more services (reference your "cut, cut, cut" statement), or you don't want them to play the stupid shell game where they change where they're taxing you because they end up taxing you more?  Those positions seem to be at odds with each other.

Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Iowa also has 3.1 million people, not a huge tax base so one should expect taxes to be higher than a smaller sized state with more residents.
???
That's an interesting story, and maybe there is even some truth in it somewhere, but I don't think population (or population density, or whatever it was you were implying) is the defining factor for the overall cost of government per person.  I pulled the stats for the largest state, the smallest state, and all the ones around Iowa and put them below if you are curious to put numbers to your idea.  I'm not seeing any indication of any sort of clear relationship there.

I've seen you push the "Our state government is too small and it is wrong for the Republicans to cut taxes!" line a number of times before, and while I do appreciate you challenging the baseline on this forum, upon actually looking at the numbers it seems to me that you are arguing from false ideological assumptions instead of facts.

Population vs taxation per person.
StatePopulationTotal tax revenue per personState and local tax revenue per person
California39,512,223$18,366.02 $11,499.58
Connecticut3,565,287$24,789.57 $9,817.97
Utah3,205,958$12,037.01 $6,810.39
Iowa3,155,070$15,776.97 $8,848.79
Nevada3,080,156$15,282.68 $7,906.74
Arkansas3,017,825$13,259.35 $6,840.93
Wyoming578,759$18,504.61 $10,230.39
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 31, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 31, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Yes, that's called inflation, which I already addressed but I'd be happy to do so more explicitly.  From what I could find, inflation from 1983 to 2016 is something like an average of 3% a year or 191% total.  Add in the original amount and you're looking at essentially tripling the 1983 amount to achieve a rough equivalence with the 2016 amount.  So if state revenue per person were $1,673.88 in 1983 then in 2016 you'd expect it to be something like $5,021.64.  

Instead we see $7,912.32.  But even if all the increase were straight inflation and not actual increase in government budget, I'm still not seeing the "cut, cut, cut" when it comes either to taxation or to spending, which was - if I'm not misunderstanding you - your original claim that Republicans and "their funding sources" were pushing to the presumed detriment of your state.
Which is it?  You don't want the government to cut taxes at all because you want higher taxes to pay for more services (reference your "cut, cut, cut" statement), or you don't want them to play the stupid shell game where they change where they're taxing you because they end up taxing you more?  Those positions seem to be at odds with each other.
 ???
That's an interesting story, and maybe there is even some truth in it somewhere, but I don't think population (or population density, or whatever it was you were implying) is the defining factor for the overall cost of government per person.  I pulled the stats for the largest state, the smallest state, and all the ones around Iowa and put them below if you are curious to put numbers to your idea.  I'm not seeing any indication of any sort of clear relationship there.

I've seen you push the "Our state government is too small and it is wrong for the Republicans to cut taxes!" line a number of times before, and while I do appreciate you challenging the baseline on this forum, upon actually looking at the numbers it seems to me that you are arguing from false ideological assumptions instead of facts.

Population vs taxation per person.
StatePopulationTotal tax revenue per personState and local tax revenue per person
California39,512,223$18,366.02 $11,499.58
Connecticut3,565,287$24,789.57 $9,817.97
Utah3,205,958$12,037.01 $6,810.39
Iowa3,155,070$15,776.97 $8,848.79
Nevada3,080,156$15,282.68 $7,906.74
Arkansas3,017,825$13,259.35 $6,840.93
Wyoming578,759$18,504.61 $10,230.39

Ok Google warrior! One thing you don't live here, I do. GOP is in charge in the legislative and gov office (since 2016) and by law they have cut income and property taxes, you can research that. If you chart says the revenue is coming in is going up, where the *expletive deleted*ck is the new money coming from and why the *expletive deleted*ck are they ending or cutting programs and services if this revenue is increasing??


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 31, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on March 31, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
I must say that I would not have predicted the bay area to be doing relatively well at this point.
Californians seem to have taken the social distancing seriously early on. 
Meanwhile, in NYC, thousands flocked out to see the USNS Comfort dock. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 31, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Ok Google warrior! One thing you don't live here, I do.

Is residency a requirement to discuss the political and economic conditions occurring in a particular place?  :P

Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
GOP is in charge in the legislative and gov office (since 2016) and by law they have cut income and property taxes, you can research that. If you chart says the revenue is coming in is going up, where the *expletive deleted*ck is the new money coming from and why the *expletive deleted*ck are they ending or cutting programs and services if this revenue is increasing??

Now that's a good question, which hopefully cordex can find an answer to.

If income and property taxes have been cut, and spending per person is going up, where's the money coming from?  Or, has the population decreased?  Have real wages increased?

If the state is ending or cutting programs and services, but spending per person is going up, where is that money being spent?  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2020, 07:58:58 PM
206 confirmed cases, 7 dead in Louisville
591 and 18 for the state.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 31, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Ok Google warrior!
:laugh:

Quote from: charby on March 31, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
If you chart says the revenue is coming in is going up, where the *expletive deleted*ck is the new money coming from and why the *expletive deleted*ck are they ending or cutting programs and services if this revenue is increasing??
What programs specifically are you upset about?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 31, 2020, 10:07:49 PM
So Iowa is decreasing spending, or just concentrating it into fewer, more essential services? Sounds like a winner, either way.

Then again, it's government, so I'm going to conclude the state has suspended infrastructure spending to support drag queen environmental basket-weaving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 31, 2020, 11:01:54 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/29/coronavirus-fda-eases-restrictions-mask-sterilization-technology/2936670001/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Dd2L0ssl.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2020, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Dd2L0ssl.jpg)



https://youtu.be/kCR8VB6ovlY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 08:52:09 AM
Wow. The Theodore Roosevelt is being evacuated. The beer virus took out one of our warships.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/pearl-harbor-2-u-s-navy-orders-evacuation-and-quarantine-of-most-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-members/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 01, 2020, 08:52:09 AM
Wow. The Theodore Roosevelt is being evacuated. The beer virus took out one of our warships.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/pearl-harbor-2-u-s-navy-orders-evacuation-and-quarantine-of-most-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-members/

Just last night I was wondering how they would deal with a outbreak on a carrier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 01, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 01, 2020, 08:52:09 AM
Wow. The Theodore Roosevelt is being evacuated. The beer virus took out one of our warships.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/pearl-harbor-2-u-s-navy-orders-evacuation-and-quarantine-of-most-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-members/
So when they say they will quarantine the crew, couldn't they just send them out to sea? 

The entire crew is likely already exposed and/or carrying the virus if not sick. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 08:54:58 AM
Just last night I was wondering how they would deal with a outbreak on a carrier.

According to all the virus apocalypse fiction I read, it always seems to be a binary thing. Either they're the only ones not infected, or they become a floating zombie city. When I lived on the coast, my fantasy escape plan was to grab the keys to one of the boats at work and go hide out at the islands.  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 01, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 01, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
According to all the virus apocalypse fiction I read, it always seems to be a binary thing. Either they're the only ones not infected, or they become a floating zombie city. When I lived on the coast, my fantasy escape plan was to grab the keys to one of the boats at work and go hide out at the islands.  :lol:
Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land.  I think it will be sort of crowded. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 01, 2020, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 01, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land.  I think it will be sort of crowded. 

For a few days maybe..... [ar15]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:19:19 AM
Good grief

Not April Fools: COVID-19 test kits sent to the UK found contaminated with trace amounts of COVID-19
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/not-april-fools-covid-19-test-kits-sent-to-the-uk-found-contaminated-with-trace-amounts-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 01, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
Sort of like people who imagine they will go out to the "woods" and live off the land.  I think it will be sort of crowded. 

Heck, we see the analog to that now. There were all kinds of city slickers that were coming out this way to buy eggs and milk because their stores were sold out. Don't know if it's still happening, but it seems to be some involuntary reaction of, "Well there are less people out that way, so there must be more stuff" without realizing that less people means smaller stores with less inventory.

In defense of my plan, at least it would take a while to empty the ocean of food.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2020, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 01, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
So when they say they will quarantine the crew, couldn't they just send them out to sea? 

The entire crew is likely already exposed and/or carrying the virus if not sick. 

Not necessarily.  Diamond Princess had over 3,000 passengers. 900 ended up positive.  It would have been much lower had they allowed it to dock and isolated the sick, quarantined the rest sooner.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:44:58 AM
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 01, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:44:58 AM
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.

.... what? To scare off the evil spirits of the corona?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 31, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Is residency a requirement to discuss the political and economic conditions occurring in a particular place?  :P

It's one of those you can complain all you want about a state you don't live in, but there isn't a damn thing you can do about it because you don't live there or really experience what you are discussing.

Quote
Now that's a good question, which hopefully cordex can find an answer to.

If income and property taxes have been cut, and spending per person is going up, where's the money coming from?  Or, has the population decreased?  Have real wages increased?

If the state is ending or cutting programs and services, but spending per person is going up, where is that money being spent?  ???

Population has been pretty stagnant. Wages have increased like everywhere, but not crazy experientially. Iowa is one of those states that people leave after HS/College and many comeback when it's time to raise a family. Be interesting to see if this happens with the millennial generation. Iowa also have a large older retired population, we also don't have a state tax on pensions so many retirees stay here.

I do know that when they privatized Medicare that whole bill when way over budget and services dropped from when the state government managed it. This has been a nasty topic of discussion between voters of both major parties.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Be interesting to see how the MSM spins this. You know they will.

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Russia is sending a plane filled with medical equipment to the United States to help fight the coronavirus following a phone conversation between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-sending-plane-filled-with-medical-equipment-to-u-s-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 09:53:11 AM
Just more Trump Russia collusion, obviously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:44:58 AM
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.

OK.... so I guess everyone has a green porch light bulb that they can plug in...

If not, they can run down to the local store -- all at once -- to grab a green bulb off the shelf. Who cares if they violate social distancing? That green bulb is IMPORTANT!

I've heard of some stupid *expletive deleted*it, but that may be the... no, banging on the pots and pans is the stupidest. Unless that somehow scares the virus off.


What city is this? I'd love to see how the local papers are spinning it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 31, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
:laugh:
What programs specifically are you upset about?

Closing 2 of the 4 mental health hospitals, reduction of prison guards, switching nursing at the remaining state facilities from hourly to salary, privatization of Medicare, reduction of water quality monitoring, reduction of staff in the state parks, moratorium on purchasing land for recreation (we have a self funding trust fund for this from user fees), attrition of state police/highway patrolman and no replacement, reducing water quality monitoring, cuts to public schools funding, delayed infrastructure maintenance, cuts to the court systems, etc.

Also have gag orders on public employees where they can't complain to press about the broken areas that the current administration has created. Removed local control from a lot of areas because counties or municipalities didn't fit the current folks in charge plan.

Iowa used to be a fairly bipartisan state where both parties had some wins and had some loses on policy/laws. Then like many other states, a lot of money from outside of the state came in and reshaped the political climate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 09:44:58 AM
Apparently our mayor wants us to replace our pouch lights with green bulbs and go outside and bang pots and pans at 19:00 every evening. Sigh.

Community snipe hunting?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 01, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
OK.... so I guess everyone has a green porch light bulb that they can plug in...

If not, they can run down to the local store -- all at once -- to grab a green bulb off the shelf. Who cares if they violate social distancing? That green bulb is IMPORTANT!

I've heard of some stupid *expletive deleted*it, but that may be the... no, banging on the pots and pans is the stupidest. Unless that somehow scares the virus off.


What city is this? I'd love to see how the local papers are spinning it.

Louisville, Ky

I'm sorry, every Sunday at 19:00

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Mayor Fischer invited people to join their neighbors and participate in Stand in Solidarity, starting at 7 p.m. today. All are encouraged to stand outside their homes and ring bells, bang pots and pans together, or otherwise make noise each Sunday evening.
https://louisvilleky.gov/news/mayor-announces-extension-louisville-metro-occupational-tax-filing-payment-deadlines
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
Yeah, still freaking stupid...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 10:10:56 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 01, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
.... what? To scare off the evil spirits of the corona?

Apparently yes

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“We need to scare away the virus,” Fischer said, adding that he hopes residents will continue to trend every night at 7 p.m.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/mayor-fischer-says-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-jefferson-county/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on April 01, 2020, 10:23:03 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 10:10:56 AM
Apparently yes
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/mayor-fischer-says-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-jefferson-county/

 :facepalm:

Maybe they can create a cargo cult testing lab that uses old peanut butter jars and cut up garden hose for labware, and tiki torches to represent Bunsen burners too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 10:30:26 AM
Turns out green is the color of "compassion".
Somebody better tell the army.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
So I just heard on the radio that because of the virus, 200K less people are crossing the Southern border. I'll be interested to see if numbers stay lower, at least for a time, after this is over. Seems like their might be a lot of citizens looking for work.

EDIT: Ugh, posting pre-coffee again. I meant 200K PER DAY.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 01, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
Make sure you get plenty of exercise while you can't go anywhere:
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/89c6f2c08278407b85a4c41c769f5e6e/2d7e77bed8456839-a8/s500x750/d810b3127125844746c6b91e86d33b75ea7a1ccd.gifv)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 10:44:02 AM
"and tiki torches to represent Bunsen burners too."

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wants you to know that that's racist!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 01, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
So I just heard on the radio that because of the virus, 200K less people are crossing the Southern border. I'll be interested to see if numbers stay lower, at least for a time, after this is over. Seems like their might be a lot of citizens looking for work.

I was wondering that with all these restaurants that are closed to dine in traffic, need less kitchen staff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: charby on April 01, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
I was wondering that with all these restaurants that are closed to dine in traffic, need less kitchen staff.

I just edited the original post. I meant to say 200K per day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on April 01, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 01, 2020, 10:44:02 AM
"and tiki torches to represent Bunsen burners too."

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wants you to know that that's racist!

Dr. Honeydew is fully committed to diversity, he hired Beaker (whatever he is) after all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/kCZdfEj5oyaGs/source.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 01, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2020, 09:24:37 AM
Not necessarily.  Diamond Princess had over 3,000 passengers. 900 ended up positive.  It would have been much lower had they allowed it to dock and isolated the sick, quarantined the rest sooner.


True, but the berthing arrangements on a cruise ship, particularly for passengers, are a lot more spacious than on a warship. On the Diamond Princess, passengers were isolated in their cabins. On an aircraft carrier, only the officers have cabins.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 12:25:30 PM
"Breaking"

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    BREAKING: China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report https://t.co/5tdbtMT158 pic.twitter.com/vjtNw174SN

    — Bloomberg (@business) April 1, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/guys-bloomberg-has-some-breaking-news-on-china-that-you-just-wont-believe/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
I had a math teacher in high school whom I absolutely despised (and she, in turn, hated me equally).

She looked, and sounded, a lot like Beaker.

So that's what I called her.


Matter of fact, here's an article from the local newspaper with her picture at the bottom...

https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2013/04/susquenita_high_school_reunite.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 01, 2020, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 10:30:26 AM
Turns out green is the color of "compassion".
Somebody better tell the army.

We already know.  We are very compassionate.  We just love folks to death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 02:12:59 PM
FL on lockdown
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on April 01, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 02:12:59 PM
FL on lockdown

The horse has left the barn on that one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
It would appear the dems are trying to cook up another impeachment over this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 01, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
And all of Pennsylvania is now on a stay at home order.

They were doing it county by county before, but a couple of hours ago extended it to the whole state.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 01, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
And all of Pennsylvania is now on a stay at home order.

They were doing it county by county before, but a couple of hours ago extended it to the whole state.

Iowa is still a big fat nope, even with every other question from reporters to the governor, "Are you going to shelter in place?".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 04:59:11 PM
Turkmenistan bans use of word 'coronavirus,' threatens jail for anyone wearing a mask: watchdog group
https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkmenistan-coronavirus-word-use-banned-masks-arrest-former-soviet-republic

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The France-based group said Tuesday that the autocratic ex-Soviet nation made sure the word also was removed from health information brochures distributed in schools, hospitals and workplaces.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2020, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
It would appear the dems are trying to cook up another impeachment over this.

Trump did a bad job initially but what in holy *expletive deleted*ck is a high crime and misdemeanor about mismanagement of a pending crisis?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 01, 2020, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 01, 2020, 05:09:42 PM
Trump did a bad job initially but what in holy *expletive deleted*ck is a high crime and misdemeanor about mismanagement of a pending crisis?

I can "sort of" understand the first time but holy jeebus smoking a cigarette and drinking a PBR did Trump do this time?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 05:29:00 PM
Schiff already has a list of "crimes" - he just needs to get a group together that will "find" them.

If this were legitimate in any way, he (they) would wait till this is over and they actually have evidence and a chain of events. We're doing "Minority Report" again though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2020, 06:30:52 PM
Trump said Democratic criticism of his Chinese virus response was a hoax. How do we know he's right? Congressional Democrats are calling for an investigation.  :rofl:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 07:46:55 PM
I'll be back

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A county in central China has reportedly gone into a mid-sized lockdown amid fears of a second coronavirus wave as Beijing is trying to emerge from the deadly outbreak and revive its economy.

Roughly 600,000 residents near the city of Pingdingshan in Jia County were told to stay home as curfew measures went into effect Tuesday. The county is located in the Henan province, some 500 miles south of Beijing and just north of the Hubei province where the pandemic originated in December 2019.

County in China locks down amid concerns of potential second coronavirus wave
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-county-locks-down-amid-concerns-of-potential-2nd-coronavirus-wave
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 08:04:18 PM
Will the Stupid Fairy please take a day off?

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   This pandemic is exposing structural racism in our country. Regions with past and present inequities in employment, wages, health care, and housing are being hit hard.

    — Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) April 1, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/01/rep-rashida-tlaib-reminds-us-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-exposing-structural-racism-in-the-us/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2020, 08:04:18 PM
Can the Stupid Fairy please take a day off?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/01/rep-rashida-tlaib-reminds-us-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-exposing-structural-racism-in-the-us/

No kidding. I'm also getting tired of "conservatives aren't self-isolating like us smarter liberals". I had to read a story in my local rag where they were talking about how good Boise was about it (via cellphone tracking) and how bad us hicks in the rural areas were, and of course Boise is all hip and liberal, so that's why.

Nothing at all to do with crowds and having a neighbor with a shared wall or with their house 10' from yours. Conservative me would be locking myself in the house if I lived in a densely populated city. If they had room to roam, don't tell me progressives would still stay inside their homes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 01, 2020, 09:46:24 PM
I missed this yesterday:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas_legislature/article/Gov-Abbott-orders-schools-closed-until-May-4-15170403.php

Which was clarified by this today:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Gov-Abbott-clarifies-order-saying-it-15172996.php

In short, TX now has a stay-at-home order, even if the Gov. doesn't want to call it that.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on April 01, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 01, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
I had a math teacher in high school whom I absolutely despised (and she, in turn, hated me equally).

She looked, and sounded, a lot like Beaker.

So that's what I called her.


Matter of fact, here's an article from the local newspaper with her picture at the bottom...

https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2013/04/susquenita_high_school_reunite.html

Small world. The other PA High School they mention getting the idea from is the one I went to during the 80’s.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 01, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
No kidding. I'm also getting tired of "conservatives aren't self-isolating like us smarter liberals". I had to read a story in my local rag where they were talking about how good Boise was about it (via cellphone tracking) and how bad us hicks in the rural areas were, and of course Boise is all hip and liberal, so that's why.

Nothing at all to do with crowds and having a neighbor with a shared wall or with their house 10' from yours. Conservative me would be locking myself in the house if I lived in a densely populated city. If they had room to roam, don't tell me progressives would still stay inside their homes.

Thank you.

It's not hard to figure out. The worst outbreaks have been in blue enclaves like NYC, Seattle, and other cities. Cities tend blue. How shocking that people in the hot zones react more strongly to the threat.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/01/cbs-poll-no-right-leaning-americans-arent-ignoring-social-distancing-demands/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 02, 2020, 12:06:25 AM
You are here
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 02, 2020, 02:36:27 AM
Video by a doctor about how the coronavirus kills. This video dates back to March 23, and he was worried back then. He has more recent videos that I haven't watched you. This isn't pleasant stuff, but I recommend watching it. We need to understand how this disease kills and why it is so dangerous.

Language warning: He doesn't not pull his punches. There's more than one F bomb in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Okay, here's something I heard on the news this morning, and if it's true, it's infuriating: We have NOT topped off the strategic oil reserves yet. I thought this was a done deal already?!? According to the report, the money to do it was supposed to be in the recently passed stimulus package, but dems nixed it and Rs folded, because "it would enrich the oil companies".

Are you *expletive deleted*ing kidding me?!?!?!? Oil is at the cheapest point in forever, and the strategic oil reserves are, well, STRATEGIC, and we have to remove that money from the stimulus package to fund crap like the Kennedy Center?!? If this is true, I'm livid.

Pelosi is pushing her next free stuff bill, which includes eliminating SALT. I know the Rs will end up folding on that to keep important stuff in the bill from being held up. They had better put money for the strategic reserves in this one, and not budge if they're giving Pelosi's base free dough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Okay, here's something I heard on the news this morning, and if it's true, it's infuriating: We have NOT topped off the strategic oil reserves yet. I thought this was a done deal already?!? According to the report, the money to do it was supposed to be in the recently passed stimulus package, but dems nixed it and Rs folded, because "it would enrich the oil companies".

Are you *expletive deleted*ing kidding me?!?!?!? Oil is at the cheapest point in forever, and the strategic oil reserves are, well, STRATEGIC, and we have to remove that money from the stimulus package to fund crap like the Kennedy Center?!? If this is true, I'm livid.

Pelosi is pushing her next free stuff bill, which includes eliminating SALT. I know the Rs will end up folding on that to keep important stuff in the bill from being held up. They had better put money for the strategic reserves in this one, and not budge if they're giving Pelosi's base free dough.

R's folded because they only give a *expletive deleted*ck about business cronies. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 02, 2020, 08:18:13 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
On a humorous note, I'm cracking up at how so many things critical to fighting the virus are pretty much anti-econazi. Besides things like "once use" bags, etc. now being back in vogue, it appears a company has a machine that looks to be a quick and easy way to disinfect stuff (N95 masks for example). The catch? It uses ozone. Ozone devices are banned in states like CA because environment. Now they have to decide if they want to save the earths or themselves.  :laugh:

They should be happy that it still helps with the "reuse" part of environmentalism. They'll just have to decide between the ozone and the reuse. :)

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/disinfecting-device-coronavirus-n95
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:14:43 AM
R's folded because they only give a *expletive deleted*ck about business cronies. 

I thought the oil companies were supposed to be the R's business cronies?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 02, 2020, 08:21:22 AM
The folks in power who aren't acting like this is the end of the world are telling us something by their actions.

Business cronies own both parties. It's cronies all the way down.

Our government is like The Sopranos. There are no good guys.

You can support the bad guys that don't hate you and might leave you alone if you keep your head down.

Or you can support those who hate traditional, religious or Christian, normal people and hate the irreligious who like living in functioning societies.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
I thought the oil companies were supposed to be the R's business cronies?

At that price per barrel, they're not doing the oil companies any favors. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:22:30 AM
At that price per barrel, they're not doing the oil companies any favors. 

On a tangent, I thought the President could do this without asking for a "by your leave" from anyone? There's other important stuff we have to keep up with, even if the virus has focused our resources and attention. The strategic reserves are part of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:36:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:28:52 AM
On a tangent, I thought the President could do this without asking for a "by your leave" from anyone? There's other important stuff we have to keep up with, even if the virus has focused our resources and attention. The strategic reserves are part of that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/us-aims-to-lease-space-in-emergency-oil-stockpile-after-buying-plan-canceled-sources-say.html

I guess not.  But now Trump wants to rent the space out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on April 02, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
In Europe apparently they are confirming virus spreading to pets, including at least one cat and dozens of dogs. Many of them are unsymptomatic carriers. For some unsubstantiated reason they say there's nothing to worry about getting the virus from animals, but you should wash your hands and don't let them lick your face you know just in case. Didn't the black death spread by fleas? Is this finally justification for my cat hatred?

https://5minutes.rtl.lu/actu/monde/a/1491623.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 02, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:

The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected.  That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people.  I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it.  I am not, however, a virologist.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 08:14:43 AM
R's folded because they only give a *expletive deleted*ck about business cronies. 
While that is true, I think they caved because they weren't willing to walk away from the deal and pass nothing.  They always fall into that trap and the Dems know it.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 09:52:25 AM
At work, we had been running along at pretty good rates.  Finally noticing some changes in the last week or so.  A refinery we sell to has been steadily reducing rates the last couple weeks and one of our gas suppliers cut back we think due to full inventory on the main products.  Take that for what it is worth. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 02, 2020, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 02, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:

The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected.  That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people.  I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it.  I am not, however, a virologist.

The difference is whether or not the virus can survive and reproduce in the given animal. If not, the animal is just another surface. If so, it can be much more infectious.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 02, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 02, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:

The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected.  That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people.  I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it.  I am not, however, a virologist.

I think a real bioweapon would spread faster and have a much higher hospitalization rate. There are at least 7 known human coronaviruses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 02, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
If we pretend for a second that this isn't a bioweapon:

The original story was this hit humans by eating animals that had been infected.  That would seem to indicate that animals can carry a virus load that could infect people.  I fail to see how something like saliva or snot from a living pet is going to be very different then fluids from a dead animal as far as viable viri in it.  I am not, however, a virologist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhk-9OcrU

This guy literally wrote the book.

I strongly suggest watching all the interview clips with Osterholm.  They're very good.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 02, 2020, 10:20:09 AM
Watch: Irate Japanese Official Suggests a New Name for WHO
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/04/02/watch-japanese-official-calls-out-who-china-n2566175

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    WOW: Japanese official blasts China, says the WHO should be renamed the CHO -- China Health Organization, given the Chinese Communist Party's role in covering up the #coronavirus outbreak: pic.twitter.com/www1S2nRUu
    — John Cooper (@thejcoop) April 1, 2020
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Oh read this article, too
https://healthcareinamerica.us/what-makes-bats-the-perfect-hosts-for-so-many-viruses-3274c019bb4d

And then, hit up youtube for some videos on the wet markets in China.

The Chinese are so *expletive deleted*ing disgusting in their eating habits. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: charby on April 02, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
I think a real bioweapon would spread faster and have a much higher hospitalization rate. There are at least 7 known human coronaviruses.

I think that's true if it is a tested and deployed bioweapon. If it is an accidental release of an experimental sample, maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not saying it is or isn't a bioweapon, but if it were, say in the early stages of development and accidentally got released, it might not be as "fully cooked" as they say.

It all makes the lack of information and the disinformation coming out of China that much harder to sift through. On the devil's advocate side, I'm not sure if a bioweapon were accidentally released from a US lab, that we would admit it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
I think that's true if it is a tested and deployed bioweapon. If it is an accidental release of an experimental sample, maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not saying it is or isn't a bioweapon, but if it were, say in the early stages of development and accidentally got released, it might not be as "fully cooked" as they say.

It all makes the lack of information and the disinformation coming out of China that much harder to sift through. On the devil's advocate side, I'm not sure if a bioweapon were accidentally released from a US lab, that we would admit it.

Watch the clip I shared.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 02, 2020, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
Watch the clip I shared.


Good clip, not too techie.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 02, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Okay, here's something I heard on the news this morning, and if it's true, it's infuriating: We have NOT topped off the strategic oil reserves yet. I thought this was a done deal already?!? According to the report, the money to do it was supposed to be in the recently passed stimulus package, but dems nixed it and Rs folded, because "it would enrich the oil companies".

Are you *expletive deleted*ing kidding me?!?!?!? Oil is at the cheapest point in forever, and the strategic oil reserves are, well, STRATEGIC, and we have to remove that money from the stimulus package to fund crap like the Kennedy Center?!? If this is true, I'm livid.

Pelosi is pushing her next free stuff bill, which includes eliminating SALT. I know the Rs will end up folding on that to keep important stuff in the bill from being held up. They had better put money for the strategic reserves in this one, and not budge if they're giving Pelosi's base free dough.

Here it is again - eh - still! Pelosi and her democrat ilk are playing games with a bent toward their agenda showing no focus toward the problem at hand. They are simply taking undue advantage of the (for lack of a better word) "panic" that they - via their buddies in the press - are hyping. It appears to be easy for them to disregard our plight. This tells me they don't give a rats arse about We the People. They are despotic. There is no polite way to address them. They are what they are.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 11:20:33 AM
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

Just a timeline reminder on what the WHO was saying in mid-January.  Given events since then, I have to think this was just them repeating Chinese propaganda. 

Quote
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China.  5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 11:23:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1a4Pq5GQBc&feature=emb_logo
Tucker: WHO chief praises, covers for China
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 11:27:19 AM
Back to Houston, TX  

https://twitter.com/urbanreformorg/status/1245376308386938881

Quote
"Apparently, burglaries are already up 19% according to Chief Acevedo, and if we are allowing these people back on the street burglaries will go up more,"
@TravisDistrictG
  on Judge Hidalgo's move to release 1,000 inmates currently being held for nonviolent offenses.


I think it would be nice to stop using the "non-violent" label.  Maybe change that to non-violent/non-destructive. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 02, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
Here it is again - eh - still! Pelosi and her democrat ilk are playing games with a bent toward their agenda showing no focus toward the problem at hand. They are simply taking undue advantage of the (for lack of a better word) "panic" that they - via their buddies in the press - are hyping. It appears to be easy for them to disregard our plight. This tells me they don't give a rats arse about We the People. They are despotic. There is no polite way to address them. They are what they are.

Woody

Maybe they know the virus will burn out or that there is treatment that will work.

Maybe the infections and deaths related to delay are just considered acceptable collateral damage in their war against Heritage America.

Maybe both above are true.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 02, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
I think that's true if it is a tested and deployed bioweapon. If it is an accidental release of an experimental sample, maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not saying it is or isn't a bioweapon, but if it were, say in the early stages of development and accidentally got released, it might not be as "fully cooked" as they say.

It all makes the lack of information and the disinformation coming out of China that much harder to sift through. On the devil's advocate side, I'm not sure if a bioweapon were accidentally released from a US lab, that we would admit it.

It's a heck of a crappy weapon that has such a low lethality . . . .

I suppose we'll never know for sure, which I've become accustomed to and frankly comfortable with, but this virus bears more hallmarks of it being natural than man-made.  As far as the US admitting to an accidental release of a bio-weapon; oh HELL no!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 02, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 02, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
It's a heck of a crappy weapon that has such a low lethality . . . .

I suppose we'll never know for sure, which I've become accustomed to and frankly comfortable with, but this virus bears more hallmarks of it being natural than man-made.  As far as the US admitting to an accidental release of a bio-weapon; oh HELL no!
I doubt the US would admit it (at first), but the likelihood of the information leaking is pretty high.  How far it goes from there is questionable.  Even China had information leaking out even though the consequences of leaking appear to be pretty severe. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
I didn't read the or watch the link so maybe it covers what I've stumbled over.

I've read about a potential connection with a lab in one of the Carolina's as well as in Canada.

Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.

I'm in the we'll never really know camp myself.

Reality is frequently crazier than fiction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 02, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
I still believe it’s a test run for a more potent bioweapon. Now the Chicomms know how the world reacts (shooting itself in the head while still acting to spread the virus) and how it quickly it spreads. They will also for sure note the effect on the military.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 02, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUo1w5aSkro

Short version: virus researcher at Chinese biolab collects samples from bats.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
I didn't read the or watch the link so maybe it covers what I've stumbled over.

I've read about a potential connection with a lab in one of the Carolina's as well as in Canada.

Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.

I'm in the we'll never really know camp myself.

Reality is frequently crazier than fiction.

Watch the interviews.
This guy literally wrote the book on this in 2000.

At most, I would accept the theory that they discovered COVID19 and were researching it when it got out.

But all evidence points to it jumping from animals in the wet markets to humans.
The wet markets are perfect breeding grounds of disease, with wild animals being kept alive in close proximity to each other and with people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 02, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
It's a heck of a crappy weapon that has such a low lethality . . . .

I suppose we'll never know for sure, which I've become accustomed to and frankly comfortable with, but this virus bears more hallmarks of it being natural than man-made.  As far as the US admitting to an accidental release of a bio-weapon; oh HELL no!

While I'm more open to it now, I still give it less of a chance of being a bioweapon than something else. Though (and Boomhauer beat me to the punch) as we see with world reaction, high lethality rate isn't necessary for a bioweapon, depending on what your endgame is.

What's that old saw? The threat of torture is more effective than torture itself?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 02, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUo1w5aSkro

Short version: virus researcher at Chinese biolab collects samples from bats.

Accidentally released from a lab research facility: plausible.
Bioweapon: doubtful
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:14:59 PM
Just back from the local grocery store.

Literally(!) tons of potatoes now, plenty of onions, decent apple selection, but low on everything else vegetable and fruit. Ice cream is back. Decent stock of milk, eggs, bread, and meat. All other stuff, like canned and dry goods in good to just okay shape. Low stock of flour and sugar.

Holy crap, man - when are people gonna have enough TP and paper towels?!? Still completely empty in that aisle. Low to no stock on cleaning chemicals.

I have to wonder how much disinformation is playing into things. One of our local characters was telling the other 4-5 people in the store that we had better stock up right now, because he just heard Homeland Security made an announcement, and in the next day or two, everyone everywhere would be on lockdown for two weeks - not even any trips to the grocery store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Accidentally released from a lab research facility: plausible.


I do still think that is very plausible. Doesn't have to be nefarious. It could easily be researchers trying to do good work colliding with failed protocols.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 02, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.

Was it germplasm you read about?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 02, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Watch the interviews.
This guy literally wrote the book on this in 2000.

At most, I would accept the theory that they discovered COVID19 and were researching it when it got out.

But all evidence points to it jumping from animals in the wet markets to humans.
The wet markets are perfect breeding grounds of disease, with wild animals being kept alive in close proximity to each other and with people.


I'm thinking stock in tin foil companies might be a good investment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
On the lighter side...  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 02, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 02, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
Watch the clip I shared.


Quote
Watch the interviews.
This guy literally wrote the book on this in 2000.

At most, I would accept the theory that they discovered COVID19 and were researching it when it got out.

But all evidence points to it jumping from animals in the wet markets to humans.
The wet markets are perfect breeding grounds of disease, with wild animals being kept alive in close proximity to each other and with people.

I did.  And I don't disagree with him.  It jumped from animals to humans in the time frame that he stated.  He is 100% correct that that can be tracked pretty definitively and he is, as you say, an expert.  I take issue with the assumption taken as fact that the jump was in the wet market down the street from the bioweapons lab that has ties to folks that  were arrested for smuggling viable diseases.  I agree also that if this is a fully finished weapon it's pretty shitty.

I'm pretty sure this is a bioweapon under development that jumped from a lab animal to a person either through accident, or incompetence.  Not as a conspiracy theory, but more like pretty compelling circumstantial evidence. The PRC has an active bioweapons program in Wuhan.  They test on bats and other animals (based on open source records), historically commie lab janitors and waste disposal folks have bad records with really dangerous materials handling, and the PRC reaction, from the beginning, was out of sync with their reactions to other china based new viruses. As if they knew something would be bad about this one earlier than they should have.
 
I have no idea if the world will ever admit it, but if there's another Snowden out there who's nana is going to die next month, we might get hard evidence.  Honestly I'm not sure if we SHOULD admit it.  If this kills a bunch of people and there's public proof it was a PRC bioweapon, that's how wars start.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 02, 2020, 12:31:23 PM
While I don't subscribe to the it's a bio weapon theory I do have this nagging thought of how something like C19 could be used.

What's been China biggest beef for the past 70 years? Taiwan
What's the biggest obstacle in their way in taking care of that little problem? The USA
So lets say they decide to invade Taiwan but need to distract the USA but not destroy them since they're their biggest trading partner. They just need to keep us busy.
After the smoke clears they have settled their little Taiwan problem while still having a largely intact money pit begging for cheap Chinese goods.
Problem is for them it escaped.
 
Not saying it was intended to be used that way or not, just an idea of how it could be used nothing more
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
Again, now is not the *expletive deleted*ing time for this horse *expletive deleted*it. Save it for the usual "we told you so! This is how we would have done it!" hindsight crap for after the event.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-creates-new-house-committee-for-coronavirus-oversight-with-subpoena-power
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 02, 2020, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
Again, now is not the *expletive deleted*ing time for this horse *expletive deleted*it. Save it for the usual "we told you so! This is how we would have done it!" hindsight crap for after the event.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-creates-new-house-committee-for-coronavirus-oversight-with-subpoena-power

Quote
Unlike the 9/11-style after-action committee to investigate missteps in the coronavirus response that Rep. Adam Schiff and others have proposed, Pelosi said this committee is designed to address the "here and now" -- specifically concerning the allocation of the historic amount of federal funds directed to economic recovery.

It's all about the money. They're POed many of their $$$$ pet protects got cut out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 02, 2020, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 02, 2020, 12:06:25 AM
You are here


I don't see Earth Abides or The Stand.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 02, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
On the lighter side...  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/

I told my wife about that one last night.

Her response (and mine as well) was "Well, it's good advice."

Which, of course, means that the feminazi's blew up about it. HOW DARE anyone suggest women may not be perfect as they are!?!?!

Also just reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 02, 2020, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 02, 2020, 02:10:06 PM

Also just reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, that's what men are for?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 02, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 02, 2020, 02:50:06 PM
None, that's what men are for?

Close.

"That's not funny!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on April 02, 2020, 04:01:55 PM
The title says it all.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/02/oh-the-irony-san-francisco-bans-reusable-totes-re-legalizes-plastic-bags/ (https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/02/oh-the-irony-san-francisco-bans-reusable-totes-re-legalizes-plastic-bags/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on April 02, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
On the lighter side...  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/

What is funny about this?

Are people offended by suggestion that women not be bitches?

Or do people just think it is hilarious that women would not be bitches?

With feminism making marriage so unpleasant for men, we should not be surprised that few and fewer men want to get married.

It horribly sad anyone would think this is something other than good advice for women- at any time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 02, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:30:55 AM
Maybe they know the virus will burn out or that there is treatment that will work.

Maybe the infections and deaths related to delay are just considered acceptable collateral damage in their war against Heritage America.

Maybe both above are true.

I think both.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 02, 2020, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
On the lighter side...  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/02/malaysian-government-apologizes-for-tips-on-what-wives-should-do-during-a-covid-19-quarantine/


I wonder what the response would be if Malaysia told husbands to be nice to their wives, and not look like slobs?

Oh, wait, there wouldn't be any "backlash."

Or:

https://youtu.be/oMnxPsQanrs?t=68
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2020, 07:25:11 PM
Trump sent a letter to Schumer.  =D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUoaV04XYAA6Cud?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUoaV01WAAIvd_A?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 02, 2020, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 02, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
I didn't read the or watch the link so maybe it covers what I've stumbled over.

I've read about a potential connection with a lab in one of the Carolina's as well as in Canada.

Also about Chinese and Chinese Americans being picked up for transferring technology etc related to infectious diseases.

I'm in the we'll never really know camp myself.

Reality is frequently crazier than fiction.

You really should watch the video, it isn't very long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:17:07 AM
Just heard on the tv that the CDC will be making an announcement that "masks for all" is back. Though they are saying not N95 or better, just any old cloth masks, dust masks, or even bandanas. I've been hearing valid arguments both pro and con for this.

The general "pro" is that anything that can stop particulates is better than nothing and can help. The general "con" is that those particulates remain on the outside of the mask and improper handling will still spread the virus.

I'm kinda leaning towards the "pro", because you can control mask sanitation and handwashing after mask removal. If people don't do it, that's on them. You can't as easily control getting sneezed on. Plus the clothes you wear are just as susceptible as a mask. I don't seen anyone out and about that's doing, "wear it once and burn it" with their clothes.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 03, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:17:07 AM

I'm kinda leaning towards the "pro", because you can control mask sanitation and handwashing before and after mask removal. If people don't do it, that's on them. You can't as easily control getting sneezed on. Plus the clothes you wear are just as susceptible as a mask. I don't seen anyone out and about that's doing, "wear it once and burn it" with their clothes.



FTFY

On clothes, if I go into the hospital or out and about I will strip in the garage and the clothes go into the washer. Jacket and shoes stay in the garage and get a liberal spraying of Lysol and 24 hours in the garage before coming in. Once in the house it is straight to the shower. You can't bee too careful when you hit a couple of the high risk items. :(

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Would boiling the masks/cloth for 1/2 hour or so destroy the virus? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Would boiling the masks/cloth for 1/2 hour or so destroy the virus? 

https://youtu.be/2UdtKssU7po?t=833
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 03, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
I'm not going out much, but when I do I wear an N95 mask, which I reuse.  (I only have a few.  I spray it with Lysol and let it air-out a few days before I reuse it)  I use hand sanitizer before I get back in the car.  At home, I wash my hands a lot and my face occasionally, especially when I first get home.  Shirt comes off and goes in the washing machine when I walk in.  When I have to interact with a deliveryman or something, I keep track of which hand (left) touches anything possibly contaminated, and I open the door with my other hand so not to contaminate the knob.

All groceries, the mail, etc gets dunked in bleach or sprayed with Lysol as soon as they come in the house, and plastic bags are thrown away.  Paper bags are saved to reuse after several days outside in the sun.

And I think that's enough; I'm not worried about it.  My brother, OTOH is scared to death he's going to make one little mistake somewhere and kill us all.  And of course that's possible, but if it happens it was meant to be.  You can't live in condition orange all the time, and even if you do you can still make a mistake and not know it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 03, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Some of the stupidity I'm hearing about is mind boggling.
My daughter is a teacher in Tulsa public schools. Of course they've been on shut down since spring break. They are now ramping up to do online classes.
They still have to go to the school building to get materials and Chromebooks to distribute to the students. The school system is requiring that they be checked for fever before being allowed in.
So far just a common sense procedure that is being done in many places.
Except, the geniuses at her building are using oral thermometers   :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 03, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 03, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Some of the stupidity I'm hearing about is mind boggling.
My daughter is a teacher in Tulsa public schools. Of course they've been on shut down since spring break. They are now ramping up to do online classes.
They still have to go to the school building to get materials and Chromebooks to distribute to the students. The school system is requiring that they be checked for fever before being allowed in.
So far just a common sense procedure that is being done in many places.
Except, the geniuses at her building are using oral thermometers   :facepalm:

Better than rectal I guess. We are using temporal and laser here, I am sure they are pretty accurate after the person they are checking has just come in from outside where it is 25 degrees, or not. But it makes them feel good.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 03, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
https://youtu.be/2UdtKssU7po?t=833

I read some thing the other day about using alcohol, that it removes the static charge from the material and reduces the ability for the mask to trap pathogens.

https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html

Quote
"DO NOT use alcohol and chlorine [bleach]-based disinfection methods," they wrote. "These will remove the static charge in the microfibers in N95 facial masks, reducing filtration efficiency. In addition, chlorine also retains gas after de-contamination, and these fumes may be harmful."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: charby on April 03, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
I read some thing the other day about using alcohol, that it removes the static charge from the material and reduces the ability for the mask to trap pathogens.

https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html


That's possible. I'm currently putting masks in a Ziploc bag and dating the bag. When they have been sitting for a three weeks I'll reuse them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 11:03:13 AM
I wonder if that problem with alcohol is relevant to non-N95 masks? The CDC seems to be pushing, "don't wear N95 or higher masks". Which, besides not taking supplies away from the medical community kinda makes sense because most people wouldn't take precautions that would benefit from the wearing of N95 or higher (face fit, etc.). This CDC thing seems to be more of a "large particles and better than nothing" thing.

I got one of these, though a different brand, that came with ten N99 inserts as a lightning deal last DEC for $12, with the idea that it would be more comfortable for doing dusty stuff around the house, like using the leaf blower, than the metal nose clip paper masks. And it is, also fitting much better, including remaining sealed when I move facial muscles. I'd likely use this one if wearing masks becomes an "in" thing, knowing it is not 100% effective. Otherwise I'm breaking out my Mira gas mask (or if things get that serious, not going out at all).  =D

https://www.amazon.com/Coxeer-Motocycle-Cover-Outdoor-Activities/dp/B06Y28TMQ3/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=base+camp+dust&qid=1585925826&sr=8-1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: BobR on April 03, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
Better than rectal I guess. We are using temporal and laser here, I am sure they are pretty accurate after the person they are checking has just come in from outside where it is 25 degrees, or not. But it makes them feel good.

bob
Idiocracy - Future Hospital Visit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUVo0xVAqE

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 03, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 10:59:43 AM
That's possible. I'm currently putting masks in a Ziploc bag and dating the bag. When they have been sitting for a three weeks I'll reuse them.

You may want to rethink the Ziploc bag. The guidelines are to store in a breathable bag, such as a paper bag.

https://smhs.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/N-95ExtendedUse-ReuseGuidelines.pdf


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Idiocracy - Future Hospital Visit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUVo0xVAqE



 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Man, I have to watch that movie again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Wasn't making contact with, and arresting this guy worse than leaving him alone? Why aren't people also being arrested at the Home Depot?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/03/is-this-really-about-the-virus-anymore-crazy-footage-of-paddle-boarder-arrested-for-violating-california-stay-at-home-order-by-being-alone-on-the-ocean-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 03, 2020, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Wasn't making contact with, and arresting this guy worse than leaving him alone? Why aren't people also being arrested at the Home Depot?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/03/is-this-really-about-the-virus-anymore-crazy-footage-of-paddle-boarder-arrested-for-violating-california-stay-at-home-order-by-being-alone-on-the-ocean-video/

He defied the order!!! He can't do that!!! Arrest him!!! If you let him do that next thing will be scuba divers and we have no way of tracking them, our dolphin force is also under stay at home orders!!!

What a bunch of morons out there!

bob

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 03, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Would boiling the masks/cloth for 1/2 hour or so destroy the virus? 

There's a video up on YouTube by a female Australian doctor advising washing N95 masks in warm, soapy water. She says it doesn't hurt the masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on April 03, 2020, 11:58:14 AM
When I’ve gone out. Most of the people I see wearing masks aren’t doing it correctly anyway. Leaving nose exposed. Not bending the metal thing to seal it. Pulling the mask down and pushing it back up constantly. Stuff like that. So not sure how effective that would even be to require mask when it seems most people don’t know how to use them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: MikeB on April 03, 2020, 11:58:14 AM
When I’ve gone out. Most of the people I see wearing masks aren’t doing it correctly anyway. Leaving nose exposed. Not bending the metal thing to seal it. Pulling the mask down and pushing it back up constantly. Stuff like that. So not sure how effective that would even be to require mask when it seems most people don’t know how to use them.

Well, it again, from what I'm gathering from the CDC announcement, seems to be, "large particles and better than nothing". Not just from breathing in, but out as well. If a mask contains 90% of someone's sneeze or cough, it's better than nothing. Even if the mask leaks, fewer particles are getting out and not spread as great a distance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 12:19:21 PM
Science fair winner* speaks out on the racism of the virus, while not researching geographic locations and transit choices.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/03/aoc-reveals-how-covid19-is-actually-really-racist-and-proclaims-that-covid19-relief-should-be-drafted-with-a-lens-of-reparations/


*Well, second place, which is really just the first loser.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
So a lot of restaurants have been going to take-out, and I was making use of that, if for nothing else, to support my local businesses, but I noticed today, two of them (out of three) aren't even doing that right now. Curious if other restaurants are shutting down the to-go stuff. For mine, it might have just not been worth staying open considering the small customer base. One of them I guess took it as an opportunity to close for a couple of weeks and remodel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 01:05:58 PM
Google is helping. Not like we all didn't know they were going to (or already were, pre-virus)...

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/03/this-aint-good-google-tool-designed-to-help-public-officials-ensure-people-are-abiding-by-social-distancing-measures-is-not-getting-rave-reviews/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 03, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 01:05:58 PM
Google is helping. Not like we all didn't know they were going to (or already were, pre-virus)...

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/03/this-aint-good-google-tool-designed-to-help-public-officials-ensure-people-are-abiding-by-social-distancing-measures-is-not-getting-rave-reviews/

Story requires a $50/yr membership to read.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on April 03, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 03, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
Story requires a $50/yr membership to read.

Not with Firefox and NoScript.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: adively on April 03, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Not with Firefox and NoScript.

Or just hit refresh and "stop" before it finishes refreshing. Takes a couple of tries sometimes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 03, 2020, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: adively on April 03, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Not with Firefox and NoScript.

Thanks for that.  It reminded me to try Internet Explorer. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 03, 2020, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
So a lot of restaurants have been going to take-out, and I was making use of that, if for nothing else, to support my local businesses, but I noticed today, two of them (out of three) aren't even doing that right now. Curious if other restaurants are shutting down the to-go stuff. For mine, it might have just not been worth staying open considering the small customer base. One of them I guess took it as an opportunity to close for a couple of weeks and remodel.

In my experience, most restaurants that "close to remodel" never reopen.  It's just a euphemism for going out of business.
We've permanently lost quite a few small restaurants in this area already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 03, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
Katie shut down her shop. She's got enough to cover expenses for two months. Without either assistance (which looks like she may not get in time) or being able to reopen, the business will be lost.

I imagine a lot of places are going to go down the tubes quicker than that.

(Oh, FYI, if you applied for the loans in anticipation for the bailouts before April 1st, you have to redo it all on the "new, improved website". Katie wouldn't have known that if she hadn't called to check on the status of things. They did not make notifications that they were redoing the system)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/03/bombshell-jim-geraghty-shares-fact-filled-thread-showing-covid-19-likely-did-not-come-from-huanan-seafood-market/

Some interesting info regarding people researching viruses in bats.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 03, 2020, 05:45:50 PM
Behold your media America!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 03, 2020, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 03, 2020, 05:45:50 PM
Behold your media America!


More proof the far right controls American media. Vote Nader man!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 03, 2020, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 05:45:19 PM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/03/bombshell-jim-geraghty-shares-fact-filled-thread-showing-covid-19-likely-did-not-come-from-huanan-seafood-market/

Some interesting info regarding people researching viruses in bats.

Conceivable.  I heard somewhere that they had discovered over 20 viruses in China that could jump from bats to people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 03, 2020, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 03, 2020, 05:45:50 PM
Behold your media America!

The media was against the war before they were for the war.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 03, 2020, 06:35:55 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:17:07 AM
Plus the clothes you wear are just as susceptible as a mask. I don't seen anyone out and about that's doing, "wear it once and burn it" with their clothes.


But a lot of people are doing "strip in the garage as soon as you get home."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 03, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VielSUhG-40
Are World Pandemics Connected to Solar Activity?

Interesting idea, but maybe not related to current events.  I think I recall reading someone speculating about Spanish Flu.  I think they said it seemed to appear all over the world at about the same time.  Others may disagree I guess. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
Regarding the new CDC mask guidlines,

Amazon has this mask available for immediate delivery:

https://www.amazon.com/Arsimus-Steampunk-Mask-Spikes-Gold/dp/B07RMZV38W/ref=sr_1_28?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964623&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-28

Also this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Gas-Mask-Style-Bong/dp/B085HJDNND/ref=sr_1_26?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964705&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-26

Just an FYI.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
Regarding the new CDC mask guidlines,

Amazon has this mask available for immediate delivery:

https://www.amazon.com/Arsimus-Steampunk-Mask-Spikes-Gold/dp/B07RMZV38W/ref=sr_1_28?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964623&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-28


This one is better:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07689DHFG
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 04, 2020, 12:08:37 AM
California is pressuring gun shops to shut down during the COVID-19 outbreak.  The NRA and other groups are fighting back:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-gun-stores-closed-Second-Amendment-COVID-15177177.php

Quote
"California’s local governments cannot simply suspend the Constitution," the lawsuit states. "Authorities may not, by decree or otherwise, enact and/or enforce a suspension or deprivation of constitutional liberties. And they certainly may not use a public health crisis as political cover to impose bans and restrictions on rights they do not like."

(... but apparently the Feds can?)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 04, 2020, 08:47:05 AM
I kinda like the medieval "plague doctor" look, with the bird mask, wide-brim hat, and a cane.  Lots of bird masks on Amazon. (No link provided. Look up plague doctor, it's fascinating)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 04, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 04, 2020, 08:47:05 AM
I kinda like the medieval "plague doctor" look, with the bird mask, wide-brim hat, and a cane.  Lots of bird masks on Amazon. (No link provided. Look up plague doctor, it's fascinating)

This just seems like the perfect time for people to walk around dressed like post-apocalyptic characters. I'm really hoping for "mandatory masks and protective clothing."  :laugh:

(https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/f78d4140737891.578b8f4ea8b04.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 04, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
I kinda agree with 3M here (though not completely - their CEO was kinda mealy-mouthed). This is a two-way street. Not sending masks to Canada, for example, could get Canada to say "FU" and not send us the material to make the masks in the first place. Seems like we could come up with something reasonable like 70% domestic, 30% export, that could be reevaluated as needed. Especially considering other countries sending us needed supplies.

I'd be kinda ticked (Berlin, as an example) if I paid for the product and then it was simply confiscated en-route by the US.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/04/gary-sinise-has-harsh-words-for-3m-says-what-happened-to-were-all-in-this-together/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 04, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 03, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
Regarding the new CDC mask guidlines,

Amazon has this mask available for immediate delivery:

https://www.amazon.com/Arsimus-Steampunk-Mask-Spikes-Gold/dp/B07RMZV38W/ref=sr_1_28?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964623&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-28

Also this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Gas-Mask-Style-Bong/dp/B085HJDNND/ref=sr_1_26?crid=16H2THX06UYVV&dchild=1&keywords=gas+mask&qid=1585964705&sprefix=gas+mas%2Caps%2C804&sr=8-26

Just an FYI.  =D

These too:

https://www.amazon.com/Disarm-Fashionable-Protective-Washable-Reusable/dp/B086C1JMY8/ref=sr_1_37?dchild=1&keywords=gun+mask&qid=1586012418&sr=8-37

https://www.amazon.com/Reusable-Breathable-Cycling-Running-Outdoors/dp/B086JZ8PSR/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=maga+mask&qid=1586012331&sr=8-5
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 04, 2020, 01:51:42 PM
Some of y’all need this mask
dengchengbaby Female Black Leather Hollow Ball Blindfolded https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T4JY8K6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_uKmIEbHAT1N63
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 04, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Some perspective:

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

Australia isn't having community transmission.

Almost all of their cases were acquired overseas. Looks like summer is a killer for this virus.

Can we cut down on killing the economy in the warmer States, now?

(Also might help explain why Cali isn't anywhere near as bad as NY, when their horrid urban conditions suggest it should be at least as bad...)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 04, 2020, 08:51:07 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 04, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Australia isn't having community transmission.
Can we cut down on killing the economy in the warmer States, now?
I would start by looking at what they did and decide if we can/should emulate them.
Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia/growth-in-australia-coronavirus-cases-slows-but-experts-urge-caution-idUSKBN21H3IM
To ensure compliance, state authorities enacted sweeping powers to impose hefty fines and potential jail terms on anybody breaching rules that include a ban on public meetings of more than just two people.

“We acted much earlier than the likes of Italy and the United States,” Collignon told Reuters. “We had much less community transmission and we still shut our borders and implemented social distancing policies such as shutting down bars and pubs, and did much more testing.”

Like many countries, Australia’s financial and jobs markets have been roiled by the outbreak, prompting the government to unveil several stimulus packages.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said 113,000 businesses had registered for a A$130 billion ($80 billion) six-month wage subsidy designed to stop spiraling unemployment and business closures.

The “job keeper” allowance has brought the country’s coronavirus-related stimulus so far to A$320 billion, or about 15% of Australia’s gross domestic product, as economists forecast the country’s first recession in almost three decades.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 04, 2020, 09:01:30 PM
We should remember, as alluded to above by Mak, that it's Summer's end there. I'll be curious to see if there is a resurgence in July in the colder parts of the country. I don't think anywhere there gets as cold as many of our states, so it might not be bad then either. Which is just me saying that maybe their protocols got help from mother nature.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 04, 2020, 11:39:21 PM
I'm going to bookmark this and look at it again in August. Assuming I'm still around.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/forecasting-model-predicts-when-each-state-will-likely-hit-coronavirus-peak-gives-possible-total-deaths
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 05, 2020, 08:37:59 AM
Counterpoint to my last article:

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/02/Bodies-left-in-streets-as-COVID-19-overwhelms-Ecuador/4651585855485/

However:

Quote
Ecuador had at least 3,100 confirmed cases and 120 deaths as of Thursday afternoon, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University. That's more than every other South American country other than Brazil and Chile.

So, summer might kill it, but then what's going on with Ecuador versus the rest of South America?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 05, 2020, 08:41:00 AM
Also related: I've had "The gods of the copybook headings" running through my head this morning.

Especially the last lines...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
Interesting news snippet this morning: CA has not seen a large infection rate in the homeless populations. That is very surprising to me, but maybe I'm missing a logical reason for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 05, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 05, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
Interesting news snippet this morning: CA has not seen a large infection rate in the homeless populations. That is very surprising to me, but maybe I'm missing a logical reason for it.

Perhaps a very limited amount of social contact outside of homeless circles.
Most of the sick seem to catch it at work, from family, or it’s healthcare workers getting sick.
Homeless aren’t sharing bathrooms with people who travel to Italy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 05, 2020, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 05, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
Interesting news snippet this morning: CA has not seen a large infection rate in the homeless populations. That is very surprising to me, but maybe I'm missing a logical reason for it.

They aren't testing homeless people?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 05, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
The numbers as reported really don't give us an accurate picture.

How many have been tested?
Demographics of those tested?
Geographic location of those tested?
Percentage of population tested?
Definition of dying from covid-19, is it the only, primary, one of many factor's?
And on and on and on ...
The more clarity you seek the less clear it all becomes.

We're being told nothing actually.

We're being manipulated, maybe for our good, maybe not.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 05, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
https://apnews.com/75e97a636f40bcd98f0827dfaa09e3ff

So now the next issue is finding refrigerated space to store all the bodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 05, 2020, 11:55:51 AM
https://terravivos.com/secure/vivoseuropaone.htm

If we all chip in, perhaps we can get a luxury bunker in what I am guessing is the former East Germany. A subterranean munitions dump and equipment storage built by the Soviets.  We can rely on Fly320s to get us to Europe. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 05, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 05, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
The numbers as reported really don't give us an accurate picture.

How many have been tested?
Demographics of those tested?
Geographic location of those tested?
Percentage of population tested?
Definition of dying from covid-19, is it the only, primary, one of many factor's?
And on and on and on ...
The more clarity you seek the less clear it all becomes.

We're being told nothing actually.

We're being manipulated, maybe for our good, maybe not.




I think this administration has a strong bent towards militant transparency. 
Also, the US is extremely decentralized in some aspects.  This leads to disorganized data collection and information dissemination.
Add to that a very copious serving of general bureaucratic incompetence and there you go.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 05, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
They are warning of a bad week coming. My wife and I were in town at our office doing a little work this morning and she wanted the internet to attend online mass.
We were leaving and she said if the grocery store wasn’t busy we could get some fresh produce and fruit.
She sat in the car in the parking lot watching people going in and out and she couldn’t decide go in or don’t. She was back and forth and I was getting impatient. She didn’t want me to go in. Then she lost it. Started crying and said said she just couldn’t do it.
I put on mask and vinyl gloves and went in. Quickly got 6 things and left. I don’t know how long it will be before she regains the ability to go into a store for $15 worth of groceries.
I’m getting tired of it. I suppose almost everybody is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
COVID vigilantism:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-shoppers-tackle-man-produce-coronavirus

So I'm going to take, perhaps, the minority view on this. This is only a snippet from the time the guy was tackled, so we have no idea what went on beforehand. When I read and saw this, my first thoughts were of my 92 year old dad. He clears his throat A LOT these days, like to the point of hocking a loogie, but not doing so, if that makes sense. It's pretty much involuntary, so I know he does it in stores and wherever.

He's been smart enough to keep himself at home, but if he were to go to the grocery store and clear his throat, then get jumped on like this guy did, from how they were holding him down in the video, my frail dad would be dead. Now maybe this guy was some wacko aggressively spitting on food for who knows why, but if it was just some confused senior citizen involuntarily coughing, man, I'm glad my dad is staying at home.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 05, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 04, 2020, 11:39:21 PM
I'm going to bookmark this and look at it again in August. Assuming I'm still around.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/forecasting-model-predicts-when-each-state-will-likely-hit-coronavirus-peak-gives-possible-total-deaths

Does it make sense to look at a state level?

I'm out 3/4 of the way to BFE.  Our state also has Chicago.  I suspect cases will be disproportionately there, not here.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 05, 2020, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on April 05, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
Does it make sense to look at a state level?

I'm out 3/4 of the way to BFE.  Our state also has Chicago.  I suspect cases will be disproportionately there, not here.

I suppose it makes sense if you're keeping in mind the urban centers will be the locus of the problem in each state. As with most other issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 05, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on April 05, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
Does it make sense to look at a state level?

I'm out 3/4 of the way to BFE.  Our state also has Chicago.  I suspect cases will be disproportionately there, not here.



http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 05, 2020, 02:45:21 PM
More Orange Man bad

Quote
    What if we were to learn that Trump suppressed scary information re COVID-19 (and the needed federal response) in January to postpone the economic turndown until it could no longer endanger his Senate acquittal? Retweet if you wouldn’t be surprised by his making that tradeoff.

    — Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) April 5, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/05/just-say-no-to-drugs-laurence-tribe-makes-alex-jones-look-almost-sane-trying-to-float-effed-up-trump-covid-19-conspiracy/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 05, 2020, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: Kingcreek on April 05, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/diseases-and-conditions/diseases-a-z-list/coronavirus

possibly not up to date.  I know my county (Stephenson) has 4 cases.  All, I think, "recovering at home".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 05, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 05, 2020, 02:45:21 PM
More Orange Man bad
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/05/just-say-no-to-drugs-laurence-tribe-makes-alex-jones-look-almost-sane-trying-to-float-effed-up-trump-covid-19-conspiracy/

The Dept. of Agriculture has confirmed the last straw has been grasped, and all supplies are now exhausted.

Don't drink and tweet, folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 05, 2020, 06:29:17 PM


Tiger at NYC’s Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/05/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-coronavirus/

Quote
The 4-year-old Malayan tiger named Nadia — and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill — are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee who wasn't yet showing symptoms, the zoo said. The first animal started showing symptoms March 27, and all are doing well and expected to recover, said the zoo, which has been closed to the public since March 16 amid the surging coronavirus outbreak in New York.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 05, 2020, 07:30:37 PM
Score!

SWMBO had asked me to pick up some crafting supplies for her.  Figured WTH, I'd check out the paper goods aisle.

They were stocking paper towels!  There were ~eight 6 packs of Bounty and almost 1/2 pallet of generic Walmart 1 ply towels.  Grabbed one of the Bounty.  Then I spotted two 6 packs of Charmin on the other side of the shelves!  "Feet, don't fail me now".

Being the nice guy that I am, I left one 6 pack.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 05, 2020, 07:38:09 PM
Cliffh, I always knew you was good people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 05, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
I try to keep it a secret.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 05, 2020, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 05, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
COVID vigilantism:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-shoppers-tackle-man-produce-coronavirus

So I'm going to take, perhaps, the minority view on this. This is only a snippet from the time the guy was tackled, so we have no idea what went on beforehand. When I read and saw this, my first thoughts were of my 92 year old dad. He clears his throat A LOT these days, like to the point of hocking a loogie, but not doing so, if that makes sense. It's pretty much involuntary, so I know he does it in stores and wherever.

He's been smart enough to keep himself at home, but if he were to go to the grocery store and clear his throat, then get jumped on like this guy did, from how they were holding him down in the video, my frail dad would be dead. Now maybe this guy was some wacko aggressively spitting on food for who knows why, but if it was just some confused senior citizen involuntarily coughing, man, I'm glad my dad is staying at home.


I guess you could be right. Either way, I hope the COVIDgilantes wore PPE.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 06, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 05, 2020, 11:55:51 AM
https://terravivos.com/secure/vivoseuropaone.htm

If we all chip in, perhaps we can get a luxury bunker in what I am guessing is the former East Germany. A subterranean munitions dump and equipment storage built by the Soviets.  We can rely on Fly320s to get us to Europe. 

I'm in.  There are hundreds of planes parked all over the US not being used.  We could borrow one and no one would notice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 06, 2020, 08:25:16 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 05, 2020, 11:55:51 AM
https://terravivos.com/secure/vivoseuropaone.htm

If we all chip in, perhaps we can get a luxury bunker in what I am guessing is the former East Germany. A subterranean munitions dump and equipment storage built by the Soviets.  We can rely on Fly320s to get us to Europe. 

I'm guessing there's a "no guns allowed" policy and that the security team for the bunker are jackboots out of a bad B movie.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 06, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 06, 2020, 08:25:16 AM
I'm guessing there's a "no guns allowed" policy and that the security team for the bunker are jackboots out of a bad B movie.

From the limited look I had at it, apparently there will be many other people in the "luxury bunker".

Yeah... I don't want to be locked up with a bunch of foolish eurotrash with more money than brains.

Let's just buy an abandoned missile silo here and provide our own security.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 06, 2020, 09:37:15 AM
Problem with that is they are all in KS.

https://www.missilebases.com/copy-of-atlas-f-centralk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 09:46:42 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 06, 2020, 09:37:15 AM
Problem with that is they are all in KS.

https://www.missilebases.com/copy-of-atlas-f-centralk

Probably be far less liberals in them compared to the other one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Yesterday I participated in an "across the fence" conference with a couple of my neighbors, they're both younger guys, mid 40s. Newest neighbor seems to be an alright guy but he really puts off the used car salesman vibe, probably because he owns a small small car lot in town. The other neighbor is pretty sharp and lets me cut firewood on his place but watching him run a chainsaw scares me.

Anyway, used car neighbor was relating his recent talks with one of his special forces buddies ( ;/). Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Makes me wonder how many packages of TP this guy has stashed.
 :facepalm:

I wonder how many people realize the complete shitshow that would result from shutting down trucking for a month...

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 06, 2020, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.


There must be a website. A local character here was saying the same thing in the grocery store the other day.

I talked to one neighbor I don't see much, but he lives next to my wheel line, and while I was working on it a couple of days ago he walked over and we were talking. I'm pretty sure he's a militia guy. He doesn't come out and say it,  but I think he's feeling me out, likely because of my Gadsden flag. He flips local homes in our area and said in his last deal he got 20 plate carriers from the guy and he has sorted them out in sizes in his gun room in case the neighbors need to get together. He asked me if I needed one because "you never know with this virus". He was kinda impressed when I both told him I already had a kevlar vest and then also lifted my jacket, showed him my .45, and said, "Always good to go."  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on April 06, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
Walking into Walmart with both a mask (Mrs. Dual insisted) and a gun was kind of surreal. As was the waiting line to get in where they let people in as more came out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 06, 2020, 10:33:53 AM
"that will include stopping all trucking for a full month."

Right. You want food riots? Because that's how you get food riots.

100% of the food in this country moves by truck.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 10:42:10 AM
They start rioting if the food stamp computers go down for a couple of hours
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 06, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
The other neighbor is pretty sharp and lets me cut firewood on his place but watching him run a chainsaw scares me.

I have feeling you'd say the same thing about me. I take my time dropping a tree and limbing it, but stand back when it's time to buck logs and I have a big enough saw.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 06, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 06, 2020, 10:33:53 AM
"that will include stopping all trucking for a full month."

Right. You want food riots? Because that's how you get food riots.

100% of the food in this country moves by truck.

I, for one, welcome our new localvore overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted internet nobody, I could be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their rooftop, organic, community gardens.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 06, 2020, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 10:42:10 AM
They start rioting if the food stamp computers go down for a couple of hours

Things are a bit on edge in the hood here right now. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 06, 2020, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Yesterday I participated in an "across the fence" conference with a couple of my neighbors, they're both younger guys, mid 40s. Newest neighbor seems to be an alright guy but he really puts off the used car salesman vibe, probably because he owns a small small car lot in town. The other neighbor is pretty sharp and lets me cut firewood on his place but watching him run a chainsaw scares me.

Anyway, used car neighbor was relating his recent talks with one of his special forces buddies ( ;/). Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Makes me wonder how many packages of TP this guy has stashed.
 :facepalm:

I wonder how many people realize the complete shitshow that would result from shutting down trucking for a month...



No.  We Aren't.  Our plan is better than that.

320's, can you fire up the Chemtrails and do a couple laps to calm this guy down?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 12:36:51 PM
We just had a guy going around attacking people for not social distancing
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 06, 2020, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 12:36:51 PM
We just had a guy going around attacking people for not social distancing


I hope he was using a firearm, or other ranged weapon. Or perhaps a long spear.

Maybe I'll start carrying a shotgun with bean-bag rounds.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Knocking them to the ground and then trying to strangle them. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 06, 2020, 01:54:01 PM
Cough on a gas pump, go to jail:

https://idahonews.com/news/nation-world/california-man-accused-of-coughing-on-yuma-gas-pump

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
More C19 is racist from the undisputed expert on everything and then some.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/06/oh-honey-stop-aoc-quadruples-down-on-covid-19-being-racist-after-being-dragged-badly-annnd-we-officially-cant-even/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 06, 2020, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
More C19 is racist from the undisputed expert on everything and then some.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/06/oh-honey-stop-aoc-quadruples-down-on-covid-19-being-racist-after-being-dragged-badly-annnd-we-officially-cant-even/


She's proved correlation equals causation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 06, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Newest neighbor seems to be an alright guy but he really puts off the used car salesman vibe,
Anyway, used car neighbor was relating his recent talks with one of his special forces buddies ( ;/). Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.

My son in law is a former army ranger with several years in the real special forces. His current job is running a trucking company and warehouse. I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t mention anything like your neighbor’s scenario.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
Boris Johnson moved to IC

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 06, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
Boris Johnson moved to IC

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604

Geez. Sadly, there's likely a bunch of commies over there jumping for joy. Hope he has a good recovery.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 06, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Geez. Sadly, there's likely a bunch of commies over there jumping for joy. Hope he has a good recovery.

I'm waiting to see what happens if Trump comes down with it. I have no doubt there will be celebration and parties and many of the MSM talking heads will be grinning from ear to ear. All in the name of compassion and tolerance of course
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 06, 2020, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
I'm waiting to see what happens if Trump comes down with it. I have no doubt there will be celebration and parties and many of the MSM talking heads will be grinning from ear to ear. All in the name of compassion and tolerance of course

"In another brazen act of foreign collusion, Trump is using an Asian virus of color to gain sympathy"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 06, 2020, 05:52:44 PM
"In another brazen act of foreign collusion, Trump is using an Asian virus of color to gain sympathy"

Virus appropriation
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 06, 2020, 06:42:08 PM
I wonder if Boris is going to take or already has taken the Trump pills?

I don't recall seeing if the UK is onboard or not with the drugs Trump has been promoting as a potential help.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 06:55:30 PM
Turns it was two people attacking people for not social distancing and both are doctors and it also turns out husband and wife.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
Oh here you go.

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    Trump’s conduct easily satisfies all 3 elements of involuntary manslaughter. In fact, his gross negligence is beginning to look more like conduct evincing a “conscious disregard of an extreme risk of death/serious bodily injury = the standard for depraved heart/2nd degree murder. https://t.co/XVHYy5CqWU

    — Glenn Kirschner (@glennkirschner2) April 6, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/06/msnbc-legal-analyst-believes-president-trumps-conduct-ticks-all-the-boxes-for-involuntary-manslaughter/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 06, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 06, 2020, 12:29:33 PM

320's, can you fire up the Chemtrails and do a couple laps to calm this guy down?

So that is why everyone is antsy.  We haven't been spraying as much because of the reduced flights.  Yeah, I'll set the nozzles to wide open.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 06, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 06, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
Oh here you go.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/06/msnbc-legal-analyst-believes-president-trumps-conduct-ticks-all-the-boxes-for-involuntary-manslaughter/


https://youtu.be/9kALB0YqlbA?t=26
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 06, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 06, 2020, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: Kingcreek on April 06, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.

My son in law is a former army ranger with several years in the real special forces. His current job is running a trucking company and warehouse. I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t mention anything like your neighbor’s scenario.

But your son-in-law doesn't have a buddy who is a 2-star, Special Forces general. :duh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 07, 2020, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on April 06, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
I’m guessing his forces aren’t all that special, his friend isn’t a 2 star, and he doesn’t know spit about anything.

My son in law is a former army ranger with several years in the real special forces. His current job is running a trucking company and warehouse. I talked to him yesterday and he didn’t mention anything like your neighbor’s scenario.

Hence the  ;/ .

My suspicion is the his special is probably of the short bus variety.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 07, 2020, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 06, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record
I am not suprised. When it’s time perceived to be the end time bibles (and I bet preachers with a comforting message to sellsay) do very well

Me, personally I get all the religious education  I need from boomers on Facebook with their cOpY aNd pAsTe aNd sHaRe IF yOu ArEnT aFrAId aNd 1 lIkE = 1 aMEn posts and made up moral stories


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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 08:02:15 AM
So the same Navaroo guy who’s being criticized for butting heads with Fauci during a meeting?

Not one, but TWO separate memos warning the White House of potentially worst case scenarios, and laid out steps to get ahead of this.  First one in Jan was a general memo, which is where the China travel ban comes from.  But otherwise he was mostly ignored because he’s considered “anti China” in the White House...
Second memo was in February directed to the President.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 07, 2020, 08:08:18 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 08:02:15 AM
So the same Navaroo guy who’s being criticized for butting heads with Fauci during a meeting?

Not one, but TWO separate memos warning the White House of potentially worst case scenarios, and laid out steps to get ahead of this.  First one in Jan was a general memo, which is where the China travel ban comes from.  But otherwise he was mostly ignored because he’s considered “anti China” in the White House...
Second memo was in February directed to the President.
To be fair, there are always people warning about dire worst case scenarios. Most of the time they are totally wrong. Once in a great while they turn out to be correct and then get to look like prophets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
Considering the WHO and the CDC are the "go to" on pandemics Trump did well.

Trump moved faster and actually ignored those two organizations as they were downplaying the seriousness of this outbreak early on.

All of his comments downplaying the virus are him repeating what the experts at those two organizations were saying.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 07, 2020, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 08:02:15 AM
So the same Navaroo guy who’s being criticized for butting heads with Fauci during a meeting?

Not one, but TWO separate memos warning the White House of potentially worst case scenarios, and laid out steps to get ahead of this.  First one in Jan was a general memo, which is where the China travel ban comes from.  But otherwise he was mostly ignored because he’s considered “anti China” in the White House...
Second memo was in February directed to the President.



I suspect that's about to become a lot more fashionable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 07, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 06, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record


Got me enough guns, got "sort of" enough ammo.  Got enough Bibles.  TP will last a month (at the rate Dearest Wifey says it gets used), and then we'll see.

So, no panic!

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I get all the religious education  I need from boomers on Facebook with their cOpY aNd pAsTe aNd sHaRe IF yOu ArEnT aFrAId aNd 1 lIkE = 1 aMEn posts and made up moral stories

This here boomer refuses to post that stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 07, 2020, 08:43:57 AM
For Ron: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/rei-extends-store-closures-and-furloughs-many-of-its-workers-for-90-days-ceo-gives-up-pay-for-six-months/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
More crappy test kits from China

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   The Government has bought 3.5 million finger-prick antibody tests that could soon radically transform the UK's response to Covid-19 https://t.co/6Ryb3hdf84

    — The Telegraph (@Telegraph) March 30, 2020

But wait for it

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   "The UK government’s new testing chief has admitted that none of the 3.5 million antibody tests ordered from China are fit for widespread use…The tests did not pass the evaluation stage". https://t.co/AxqFupLpGz #COVID19

    — Wilson Leung 梁允信 🇭🇰 (@WilsonLeungWS) April 6, 2020

Anyone see a pattern here?

Here are 3.5 million new reasons why we shouldn’t trust anything coming from China right now
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/07/here-are-3-5-million-new-reasons-why-we-shouldnt-trust-anything-coming-from-china-right-now/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 07, 2020, 08:43:57 AM
For Ron: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/rei-extends-store-closures-and-furloughs-many-of-its-workers-for-90-days-ceo-gives-up-pay-for-six-months/

It was inevitable, can't keep paying people to stay home indefinitely.

Tough times for big companies also.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 07, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 07, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
All of his comments downplaying the virus are him repeating what the experts at those two organizations were saying.

Trump is well known for ignoring the experts, even disdaining them, and people love him for it. What an unfortunate time to have started listening to them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 07, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
Trump is well known for ignoring the experts, even disdaining them, and people love him for it. What an unfortunate time to have started listening to them.

He pivoted to defying them pretty quick with the China/EU travel bans so there's that ...

Trump deserves credit for shutting down flights from China and the EU when he did, he was in front of all the experts on that call.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Reason #867,108,421 why I hate some people.
Things are bad enough in the stores without yahoos likes this

Massachusetts shoppers tackle man after allegedly coughing, spitting on produce amid coronavirus outbreak
https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-shoppers-tackle-man-produce-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 10:04:45 AM
And another

Walmart patron sprays cashier in the eyes with Lysol over coronavirus limit, police say
https://www.foxnews.com/health/walmart-patron-mass-sprays-cashier-eyes-lysol-over-pandemic-limit-police-say

Which begs the question: Considering the fact you may not know what they're spraying you with at the moment, are even if that matters, would it be justifiable to shoot the person in a situation like this? I figure the MSM would roast you no matter what.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 07, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 07, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
Trump is well known for ignoring the experts, even disdaining them, and people love him for it. What an unfortunate time to have started listening to them.


I don't know. Maybe, like everyone else, his trust in experts depends on his perception of their competence, and whether or not they're talking about their actual area of expertise, and whether his own point of view/experience/knowledge aligns or conflicts with what they're saying.

On the other hand, I know it's tempting to treat Donald Trump as a sort of cartoon character like that. I get it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 07, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 06, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
...
 Says the buddy is now a 2 star and that "they" are planning on a full on country wide lock down in about 2 weeks that will include stopping all trucking for a full month.
Makes me wonder how many packages of TP this guy has stashed.
 :facepalm:

I wonder how many people realize the complete shitshow that would result from shutting down trucking for a month...

It would be outright war. Some of us could make it for a month with what we have. Not so much for what I would guess is somewhere between 90% and 95% of everyone else.

I'd bet there would be a few heavily armed rogue convoys rolling across the land bringing edibles to the starving masses.

Civil war, etc.

If you have a backhoe, start digging graves.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
If I were a New Yorker, I'd be inclined to gather 500 of my friends and show up at Prospect Park for a walk.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/07/bill-de-blasio-explains-why-nys-stay-at-home-order-doesnt-apply-to-his-daily-11-mile-drive-to-brooklyn-so-he-can-take-a-walk/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 11:08:23 AM
This joke works way better verbally than it does in a written format.

Expert
X  = Unknown quantity
Use your imagination on spurt

Sadly it's reality far too often
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
Tangent, but just one of the other neat areas of 3D printing. I have no expertise, but they apparently needed to use an industrial machine for this. Nevertheless, ten years from now it will likely be a household machine. Kind of a cool idea to think, "Hey, unexpected pandemic. I need to print up some PPE for myself."  Especially given our short supply right now.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241786736.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
May not be just the Mom and Pops you got to worry about.

Logan’s Roadhouse fires all employees, closes restaurants
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/07/logans-roadhouse-fires-all-employees-closes-restaurants/

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According to Restaurant Business Online, owners say it's possible the restaurants won't reopen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 07, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
May not be just the Mom and Pops you got to worry about.

Logan’s Roadhouse fires all employees, closes restaurants
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/07/logans-roadhouse-fires-all-employees-closes-restaurants/


Even the big restaurants don't have big margins. I recall seeing Cheesecake Factory giving out warnings a month ago.

That's a shame. They are (were?) a decent place.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 07, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
It was inevitable, can't keep paying people to stay home indefinitely.

Tough times for big companies also.


The really smart play for the economy would have been to be super aggressive early on. 
This haphazard piecemeal approach is going drag it out and tank a lot of businesses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 07, 2020, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 12:07:35 PM
The really smart play for the economy would have been to be super aggressive early on. 
This haphazard piecemeal approach is going drag it out and tank a lot of businesses.

Our country doesn't take well to jackboots welding people into their homes. Without deaths to point to, exactly how is shutting everything down before anyone is infected going to go over?

It may have been "better", if it had worked, but the laws in the country will only work with the consent of the people. If they don't think it's important, they will flout the laws. (See: Prohibition)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 07, 2020, 12:10:45 PM
Our country doesn't take well to jackboots welding people into their homes. Without deaths to point to, exactly how is shutting everything down before anyone is infected going to go over?

It may have been "better", if it had worked, but the laws in the country will only work with the consent of the people. If they don't think it's important, they will flout the laws. (See: Prohibition)

Most states are already proving they have the emergency powers to do so, but I agree, it would have been greeted poorly. 
So instead, we get to have the most (confirmed) deaths and cases, and long lasting economic damage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 07, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 12:14:20 PM
Most states are already proving they have the emergency powers to do so, but I agree, it would have been greeted poorly. 
So instead, we get to have the most (confirmed) deaths and cases, and long lasting economic damage.

An aggressive lock down would be greeted poorly now. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 12:14:20 PM
Most states are already proving they have the emergency powers to do so, but I agree, it would have been greeted poorly.  
So instead, we get to have the most (confirmed) deaths and cases, and long lasting economic damage.


We are nowhere near the worst per capita.

We have the most confirmed cases because China is run by a totalitarian communist bureaucracy that lies even more than our own bureaucracy.  

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 07, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
We are nowhere near the worst per capita.

We have the most confirmed cases because China is run by a totalitarian communist bureaucracy that lies even more than our own bureaucracy.  



Well to be fair that's probably only because they've had 4,000 more years of practice
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 07, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Even the big restaurants don't have big margins. I recall seeing Cheesecake Factory giving out warnings a month ago.

That's a shame. They are (were?) a decent place.

Aren't most cheesecake Factories in malls? If so I would think that could be a large part of their problem, malls were largely dying off even before this mess, C19 is just accelerating the process.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 07, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
Many of the chain restaurants that are/were popular with the Boomers are not popular with the generations that followed. Kind of like all the buffet restaurants and supper clubs that were popular with the generations before the Boomers. They have been on a downward spiral for a while.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 01:03:14 PM
Just when you think they've reached peak TDS a new even higher mountain comes into view and they've planted their flag on top

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   Evil. Evil is the middle ground. He wants as many NYers as possible to die. And he was told about Black Americans dying in horrifying numbers and he got excited about that, too. He's TRYING to kill people.

    — Ayelet Waldman (@ayeletw) April 7, 2020

If you’re crazy and you know it raise your hand! Blue-check claims Trump hopes COVID kills black Americans and HELLO backfire
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/07/if-youre-crazy-and-you-know-it-raise-your-hand-blue-check-claims-trump-hopes-covid-kills-black-americans-and-hello-backfire/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
How about some good news?

Rand Paul tests negative for COVID-19, begins volunteering at local hospital
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/07/rand-paul-tests-negative-for-covid-19-begins-volunteering-at-local-hospital/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 07, 2020, 02:06:22 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 06, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
Toilet paper, hand sanitizer, guns, ammo . . . . and Bibles:

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-bible-book-update-sales-record



Well, at least Bibles are something I was already hoarding, so I won't get caught out on that. Now let me go see what the street price is on a gently used ESV...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 07, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 07, 2020, 02:06:22 PM

Well, at least Bibles are something I was already hoarding, so I won't get caught out on that. Now let me go see what the street price is on a gently used ESV...

ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 07, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 07, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.

Heretic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 07, 2020, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 07, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-less-formal-king-jim-bible-introduced  ;)

I'm partial the the NKJV, I just kind of wish they had used the best (oldest) available manuscripts instead of the Textus Receptus.

NIV is good if you can find a 1984 edition.  The 2011 edition is not as horrible as some say, but I don't really like it.  They made changes for change's sake, and some of the grammar is just wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 07, 2020, 02:22:59 PM
It's definitely getting worse.  We're all still gonna die.  Oh, wait...maybe not.  Perhaps COVID-19 is burning itself out just like its corona cousins SARS and MERS did.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/06/u-s-coronavirus-hospitalizations-lower-than-predicted-ny-marks-75-drop/?utm_source=whatfinger (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/06/u-s-coronavirus-hospitalizations-lower-than-predicted-ny-marks-75-drop/?utm_source=whatfinger)

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/white-house-coronavirus-projections-model-fatalities-deaths/?utm_source=whatfinger (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/white-house-coronavirus-projections-model-fatalities-deaths/?utm_source=whatfinger)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2020, 02:25:03 PM
Meanwhile, in China:

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/huangshan-mountains-china-reopens-closes-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 07, 2020, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 07, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 07, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
ESV. Ha! I only deal in the good stuff, NRSV.
Heretic.

Liberal.    Same thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 07, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
We are nowhere near the worst per capita.

We have the most confirmed cases because China is run by a totalitarian communist bureaucracy that lies even more than our own bureaucracy.  



It's why I slapped the "confirmed" in there.  I think it's pretty much given that China lied about it's numbers. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 07, 2020, 03:06:43 PM
And Russia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 07, 2020, 03:06:43 PM
And Russia.

They're past lying. Hiding the *expletive deleted*it out of it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2020, 03:34:14 PM
Something you may not see in most of the MSM and if you do I'm sure it will be somehow spun into being Orange Man's fault

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In 2006, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration began purchasing ventilators to allow the city to be prepared for a pandemic like the current coronavirus crisis -- only for the city to later auction them off, according to a report.

ProPublica reported Monday that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene issued a report in 2006 on the city's preparedness for pandemic influenza -- similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu or the 2019 novel coronavirus -- that projected the city would need thousands of extra ventilators in order to properly treat all of its residents who got sick. The plan was then put into action, with the city initially buying 500 ventilators before it ran out of money to buy more and to maintain the ones it had already stockpiled, according to ProPublica.

Those ventilators were then auctioned off some time before 2016 because the city could not afford to maintain them in working order, partially because the model of ventilator the city had purchased was no longer in production after 2009, the report said.

New York City stockpiled ventilators for a pandemic, only to later auction them off: report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-stockpiled-ventilators-for-pandemic-only-to-later-auction-them-off-report
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Interesting on the nics checks. Significant jump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-sales-up-over-200-in-some-states-most-new-to-gun-buying
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 05:07:11 PM
KJV = the Bible God uses and Satan hates.

I will peruse other versions if I'm studying something or having difficulty understanding a passage. I own many versions and of course the internet gives access to all of them.

Started my spiritual education with the KJV and no other version speaks to me like it does, so no need to change.

I will throw a shout out for the Richmond Lattimore translation of the New Testament. Really good easy reading, only downside is I am a Textus Receptus/majority text guy and he uses the Westcott and Hort Greek text. Otherwise excellent.

All of the New Testaments agree, turn around toward God, believe and trust in Jesus, love one another.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 05:35:55 PM
I didn’t read the article.  Is it digital or hard copies of the Bible?  Did it say?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 07, 2020, 06:21:25 PM
(https://pluralist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/schumer-mask.jpg)

Yeah, that's Chuck Schumer.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 07, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVABcl5qPA0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 07, 2020, 08:00:42 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 07, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVABcl5qPA0

"In space, nobody can hear you cough."   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2020, 08:51:14 PM
NRA loses its court challenge on shutting down gun shops. I looked him up, and the Federal judge is an Obama appointee. Another reason why, no matter what you may think of Trump, his judicial picks will likely stop a lot of this crap.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/nra-loses-court-challenge-on-order-to-shut-california-gun-shops
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2020, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 05:35:55 PM
I didn’t read the article.  Is it digital or hard copies of the Bible?  Did it say?


The article is about publishers of actual hard copies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 07, 2020, 10:45:03 PM
When you have Ammon Bundy on your side, what chance does a virus have?

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/a-liberty-rebellion-in-idaho-threatens-to-undermine-coronavirus-orders/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 07, 2020, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 07, 2020, 05:35:55 PM
I didn’t read the article.  Is it digital or hard copies of the Bible?  Did it say?


I would imagine the vast majority of digital bible-reading is done via free mobile apps. Though there are some you pay for.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 08, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Apropos of nothing, man, he's got a hot wife. I'm really into the virus now.  =D

https://youtu.be/-JIAeUaMTCQ
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Apropos of nothing, man, he's got a hot wife. I'm really into the virus now.  =D

https://youtu.be/-JIAeUaMTCQ

Every time she's on TV, she looks and sounds like she's reading a hostage statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Apropos of nothing, man, he's got a hot wife. I'm really into the virus now.  =D

https://youtu.be/-JIAeUaMTCQ

Yes, but I feel like she is trying to capture my moose and squirrel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 08, 2020, 09:40:41 AM
Semi-virus related I think. Apparently Trump has been putting the screws to Venezuela behind the scenes during this virus response. Though it does show failed socialism, given one of the biggest oil reserves in the world is out of gasoline. I wonder how many "people owned" refineries there are even functioning? Sounds like none.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-06/soldiers-are-protecting-the-last-drops-of-gasoline-in-venezuela
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 08, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Saw a Facebook post that was complaining about there is a greater percentage of blacks getting Covid-19 over whites. One person chimed in it was deeper than people imagined. The a black Chicago bus driver chimed in it, basically said, it's not deeper, I drive a bus and no one wants to stay home, instead you're on the bus coughing and touching each other.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 08, 2020, 10:19:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIl_3Bp0Yg

Steven Crowder is live on youtube right now.  Has put his dog in a room with a pile of toilet paper rolls with the dog slowly chewing through the pile.  He is covering it off camera like a golf broadcast.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 08, 2020, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 08:38:25 AM
Every time she's on TV, she looks and sounds like she's reading a hostage statement.

How would you sound reading a teleprompter in Slovenian?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 08, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
Podunk grocery store run this morning: Wow! Suddenly almost everything is back in stock.  Full dairy, meat, produce, and baking goods (flour, etc.) sections. Water about 2/3 full. TP/paper towels about 1/3 full. I was one of two customers in the store.

The "limit of 1" and "limit of 2" signs are gone from everything except dairy, baking goods, and paper products.

Heck, I might even try for a Costco run next week. I'm running out of the Salsa I can't get anywhere else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
Podunk grocery store run this morning: Wow! Suddenly almost everything is back in stock.  Full dairy, meat, produce, and baking goods (flour, etc.) sections. Water about 2/3 full. TP/paper towels about 1/3 full. I was one of two customers in the store.

The "limit of 1" and "limit of 2" signs are gone from everything except dairy, baking goods, and paper products.

Heck, I might even try for a Costco run next week. I'm running out of the Salsa I can't get anywhere else.

The new normal has settled in, which is quelling panic.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 08, 2020, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
Podunk grocery store run this morning: Wow! Suddenly almost everything is back in stock.  Full dairy, meat, produce, and baking goods (flour, etc.) sections. Water about 2/3 full. TP/paper towels about 1/3 full. I was one of two customers in the store.

The "limit of 1" and "limit of 2" signs are gone from everything except dairy, baking goods, and paper products.

Heck, I might even try for a Costco run next week. I'm running out of the Salsa I can't get anywhere else.

I went to Walmart and Sam's yesterday.  First time for Sam's.  I got there early for Senior Hour.  Most things were fully stocked.  There was no yeast, paper products were kind of scarce but they did have some.  Meat and produce and most canned goods looked normal.  I didn't even look for sanitizing wipes; I probably should have.  One of the things on my list was diet soda.  The soda sections looked fully stocked but there was almost no diet, just Diet Coke and a little Fresca and Diet Dr Pepper.  Shelf after shelf of sugar drinks.  That might be an East Texas thing.

One of the checkout girls at Sam's (not a cashier but one of the helpers to move people thru faster) was wearing a blue paper mask, but she had it pulled down on her chin.  I told her "I hate wearing this thing too, but it doesn't do any good on your chin".  She said she couldn't breathe with it pulled up. :(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
As of yesterday, COVID is the #1 cause of death daily in the nation. Those numbers will continue to go up this week.
Also, because the backlog of testing is finally breaking, the number of positives will explode.
I'm of firm belief that a number of those positives have already waited so long for results that they're actually nearing the end of being sick.
However, the numbers that mean the most are the new hospitalizations.  It looks like NYC might have broken, with a stabilization or "peak" possibly happening right now in NYC.  
Some parts of the country (cough, Florida, cough) are behind that curve and won't see a slow down for another week or two.
But if NYC has successfully broken theirs, that will say a lot.

I was at walmart this morning.  They had most things.
The one thing I really wanted was some weights, which they were completely sold out of.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 08, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
I was at walmart this morning.  They had most things.
The one thing I really wanted was some weights, which they were completely sold out of.

That actually makes sense. If people aren't able to go to the gym, the small number of people who usually want weights likely exploded to 10x that amount or more.

I also doubt there's "excess capacity" in weight manufacturing. So there's likely to be a shortage for a while.

(But, bonus for those of us who prefer working out at home: in about 12 months there will be a glut of used weights being sold.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 08, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
White folks are just upset they can't go golfing while black people die

‘You should resign’: Michigan AG blasted for tweet about ‘white folks outraged because they can’t go golfing’ while minorities are disproportionately affected by coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/08/you-should-resign-michigan-ag-blasted-for-tweet-about-white-folks-outraged-because-they-cant-go-golfing-while-minorities-are-disproportionately-affected-by-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 08, 2020, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 12:19:09 PM

The one thing I really wanted was some weights, which they were completely sold out of.

Get with the program, Jamis!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/man-crafts-wooden-exercise-equipment-after-covid-19-shuts-down-his-gym/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 08, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 08, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
White folks are just upset they can't go golfing while black people die

‘You should resign’: Michigan AG blasted for tweet about ‘white folks outraged because they can’t go golfing’ while minorities are disproportionately affected by coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/08/you-should-resign-michigan-ag-blasted-for-tweet-about-white-folks-outraged-because-they-cant-go-golfing-while-minorities-are-disproportionately-affected-by-coronavirus/

I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 08, 2020, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: charby on April 08, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.

You racist you.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 08, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: charby on April 08, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.

Stink bombs?  Excessive bodily out-gassing?  C'mon man, don't leave us hanging.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 08, 2020, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 08, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
Stink bombs?  Excessive bodily out-gassing?  C'mon man, don't leave us hanging.



Um... a driver, 2 fairway woods, a bunch of irons and a putter if it resorts to that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 08, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: charby on April 08, 2020, 03:21:53 PM
Um... a driver,

Well there it is. Freakin' rich white guy and his chauffeur.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 08, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
As of yesterday, COVID is the #1 cause of death daily in the nation.

I thought it was lack of toilet paper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 08, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 08, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
I thought it was lack of toilet paper.

No, that's the #2 cause of death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 08, 2020, 03:39:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
Well there it is. Freakin' rich white guy and his chauffeur.

Yep, this CIS Shitlord going to play again this weekend if it doesn't rain or snow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 08, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-big-city-mayors-are-blatantly-violating-their-own-social-distancing-rules-heres-what-that-tells-us

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Mayor Lori Lightfoot of Chicago is an even bigger and more blatant hypocrite. A few days ago, she got a professional haircut and posed for a picture with her stylist, who was certainly standing much closer than six feet away. This is the same woman who forcibly shut down every hair salon and barber shop in the city, and reserves the right to fine or arrest anyone who does exactly what she just did. The good mayor even recorded a friendly quarantine PSA where she specifically said that getting your hair done “is not essential.”

Lightfoot has been applauded in the media for being especially strict in her stay-at-home orders. Strict to the other residents of the city, I mean, not to herself. She has not only shut down “non-essential” businesses and instated social distancing rules, but she also instructed the people of Chicago to only exit their homes for a “brief respite.” They are not allowed to jog for long distances because, she explained, “outside is not for 5Ks.” Yes, she has assumed the power to decide what outside is “for.”

Don’t worry. She has an excellent excuse for violating her supposedly lifesaving rules. When asked by a reporter, she explained that she just “needed to have a haircut” because she “takes personal hygiene very seriously.” She also insisted that her position as “public face of the city” and her frequent appearances on national television give her a special exemption.

And here I was all upset about those white golfers...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 08, 2020, 01:45:37 PM
Get with the program, Jamis!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/man-crafts-wooden-exercise-equipment-after-covid-19-shuts-down-his-gym/

He's a legend.  I thought about doing an old school pullup bar at least, with some posts, concrete and a bar. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 08, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
About that racial "disparity"
Somewhat more whites % wise are dying here compare to pop %
Data is for Louisville

Quote

+ 64 percent of the patients are white, 27 percent are black, 9 percent are Asian and 0 percent are multi-racial

+ 75 percent of those who have died from the coronavirus were white, 20 percent were black and 4 percent were Asian

For context, the city’s population is 67-68 percent white, 22 percent black and 10 percent foreign-born, Fischer said.

Fischer shares racial data on county’s coronavirus patients
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/08/fischer-shares-racial-data-countys-coronavirus-patients/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 08, 2020, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: charby on April 08, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
I played golf on Sunday, probably one the better social distancing activities to do, especially if you walk the course. I also had a bag full of social distancing tools if someone came too close.

There's an amazing little 9 hole par 3 about 40 minutes from my house.  We've got a couple crappy wx days coming, and then next week the kid and I are headed over so she can play at least 9 holes next week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 08, 2020, 08:52:06 PM
California:  "All your PPE are belong to us":

https://patch.com/california/losgatos/coronavirus-santa-clara-county-orders-ppe-inventory-reporting

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 08, 2020, 09:23:05 PM
Saw this today:

Walmart customer comes up to the sporting goods counter wearing a mask - over his mouth only.  Places both forearms flat on the countertop and leans across the counter.  Stands back, moves to the other end of the counter & does the same again.

Decides on his purchase.  Pulls out his wallet and takes out some cash. He then pulls his mask down, licks his fingers and starts counting the cash!   :facepalm:  [barf]

Cashier had him lay the money on the counter & sprayed it with antiseptic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on April 08, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on April 08, 2020, 09:23:05 PM

Decides on his purchase.  Pulls out his wallet and takes out some cash. He then pulls his mask down, licks his fingers and starts counting the cash!   :facepalm:  [barf]


Resident bus driver here.  We went to fareless operation this week.  Last week, I had 2 star students.  The fareboxes take bills.  The bills can be difficult for some people to insert into the farebox.  Specimen #1 approached the farbox with her 2 dollar bills, and gloved hands.  Knowing that she lacks the manual skills to do this, she took one bill in hand to try to jam into the farbox.  The other bill she held between her lips while she worked.  Specimen #2 is similar to above.  As he was trying to jam his bill into the box, he repeatedly wet his fingertips with his tongue.  This is not just filthy lucre, it's filthy lucre that is now being forcibly manipulated on the deposit platform of a city bus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 08, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 08, 2020, 08:52:06 PM
California:  "All your PPE are belong to us":

https://patch.com/california/losgatos/coronavirus-santa-clara-county-orders-ppe-inventory-reporting


From the article:

Quote
Reporting residents and businesses will not be required to donate their supplies of personal protective equipment, but county officials encourage them to do so via the Valley Medical Center Foundation.

Translation: Residents will not be required to donate their PPE because the County will take it off their hands with no further effort required on the part of the [soon-to-be former] owners.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 09, 2020, 08:38:27 AM
Turns out doctors Fauci and Birx are both big time Clinton supporters.

Just a data point that may or may not mean anything.

I report, you decide.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 09, 2020, 08:46:11 AM
Just a reminder of past pronouncements from your friendly neighborhood international health organization. 

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152
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World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China. 5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020


https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1215801616659599360
Quote
World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on #China based on the information currently available http://bit.ly/2sgvOZK 7:04 PM · Jan 10, 2020
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 09, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 08, 2020, 08:52:06 PM
California:  "All your PPE are belong to us":

https://patch.com/california/losgatos/coronavirus-santa-clara-county-orders-ppe-inventory-reporting

"Reporting residents and businesses will not be required to donate their supplies of personal protective equipment, but county officials encourage them to do so..."

Yeah, sure.  And if not enough residents donate PPE, men with guns will eventually come to confiscate it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 09, 2020, 09:30:46 AM
Quote
Niall Ferguson's latest column (paywall) notes that on Jan. 23 the Chinese cut off Hubei province from the rest of China -- but they didn't cut it off from the rest of the world. Direct flights out continued. Trump's travel restrictions kicked in only a week later.

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1247494875894951936

Interesting if true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 09, 2020, 08:46:11 AM

Quote
World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #ChinaFlag of China. 5:18 AM · Jan 14, 2020

Obviously if Hillary was president stuff like this wouldn't happen seems to be the MSM spin on this
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 09, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
Oh, just for the record?

My response to the WHO's "no human-to-human transmission" message?

BULLSHIT.

Pretty sure that's exactly what I said.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
And now a word from Pope Greta

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Pope Francis likened the coronavirus pandemic to recent fires and floods as one of “nature’s responses” to the world’s ambivalence to climate change.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
And now a word from Pope Greta
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change

Half-assed Catholic here. Since viruses like this don't like warm and humid air, isn't global warming part of God's response to protect us from the plagues of the devil?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 09, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Half-assed Catholic here. Since viruses like this don't like warm and humid air, isn't global warming part of God's response to protect us from the plagues of the devil?

Actually a warmer damper environment would be better for human pathogen survivability outside a host. Winters are bad for us since our bodies are already stressed with keeping warm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2020, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
And now a word from Pope Greta
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-coronavirus-natures-response-climate-change

The current pope is an embarrassment to Christianity ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 09, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
A guy I know went HARD CORE Catholic some years ago. Fully drank all of the kool-aide... Kept wearing his wedding ring because, even though his wife divorced him, the Pope told him he was still married, and so forth and so on.

Good guy, but... was out there.

That started to change when Frank became pope. Not sure where he stands now, but I'm pretty sure his putting more and more distance between himself and the Church because of the new Pope's heresies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: charby on April 09, 2020, 10:44:12 AM
Actually a warmer damper environment would be better for human pathogen survivability outside a host. Winters are bad for us since our bodies are already stressed with keeping warm.

That's not what they're saying about the beer virus.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-humidity-may-affect-covid-19-outcome
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 09, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
That's not what they're saying about the beer virus.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-humidity-may-affect-covid-19-outcome

From the article you linked

Quote
However, the researchers note that too much outdoor humidity can also support viral spread. For instance, in tropical areas, airborne droplets that contain the virus fall on indoor surfaces, where the virus can survive for longer periods.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: charby on April 09, 2020, 11:17:11 AM
From the article you linked


Also from the article:

Quote
First, they say that when cold, dry air comes indoors and is warmed, the relative humidity indoors drops by about 20%. Such a drop in humidity makes it easier for airborne viral particles to travel.

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That said, the review concludes that studies in mice suggest that a relative humidity of 40–60% is ideal for containing the virus.

“That’s why I recommend humidifiers during the winter in buildings,” says the study’s senior author.

Other studies in mice also found that an environment of 50% relative humidity contributed to good viral clearance and an efficient immune response.

40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 09, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
As a general rule heat and humidity is not good for viruses. They are encased in a lipid layer that breaks down in heat and humidity. Influenza breaks down about 80 degrees but SARS if I recall takes about 130 degrees. This one may be more like SARS, only time and research will tell.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 09, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
"but SARS if I recall takes about 130 degrees."

That's interesting and telling, given where SARS and MERS are thought to have originated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 09, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
Some average Americans' thoughts on the corona virus. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=204&v=AA2r6rca2v4&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 09, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Also from the article:

40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer.

Sorry, hit the wrong button my reply Ben.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 09, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
As a general rule heat and humidity is not good for viruses. They are encased in a lipid layer that breaks down in heat and humidity. Influenza breaks down about 80 degrees but SARS if I recall takes about 130 degrees. This one may be more like SARS, only time and research will tell.

bob

SARS, MERS, and Covid-19 are all coronaviruses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2020, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Sorry, hit the wrong button my reply Ben.

Yeah, sure. I knew you worked for CNN. :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 09, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
SARS, MERS, and Covid-19 are all coronaviruses.

As is the common cold and and other respiratory illnesses. There are presently 7 coronavirus types that can cause illness in humans. More in animals that will someday probably jump to humans. I can't help but have this nagging feeling that there was a lot of research into SARS and MERS that was defunded once the acute phase of the diseases passed. I can't prove it or find anything about it, just a gut feeling.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Wait, what?
On one hand I can understand why they're doing this but on the other hand no. Is this even legal?

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“The form says they are preemptively deducting funds from our paychecks. That number is based on what they’re anticipating the government relief fund to be,” a worker for the company told KXAN. The worker asked not to be identified in this investigation so as not to impact his company’s ability to continue doing business.
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The company would also take half of the $500 stipend allotted for dependents under the bill.

Texas company looking to dock paychecks for those receiving stimulus checks
https://wgno.com/news/health/coronavirus/texas-company-looking-to-dock-paychecks-for-those-receiving-stimulus-checks-tmw/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 09, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
As is the common cold and and other respiratory illnesses. There are presently 7 coronavirus types that can cause illness in humans. More in animals that will someday probably jump to humans. I can't help but have this nagging feeling that there was a lot of research into SARS and MERS that was defunded once the acute phase of the diseases passed. I can't prove it or find anything about it, just a gut feeling.

bob

Most common colds are rhinoviruses.

I don't disagree with you on you defunding research on SARS and MERS. Yep, more diseases are going to be problems are the world keeps getting smaller. Easy to see in plant pests and diseases (part of my career).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 09, 2020, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 09, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
As is the common cold and and other respiratory illnesses. There are presently 7 coronavirus types that can cause illness in humans. More in animals that will someday probably jump to humans. I can't help but have this nagging feeling that there was a lot of research into SARS and MERS that was defunded once the acute phase of the diseases passed. I can't prove it or find anything about it, just a gut feeling.

bob

https://youtu.be/aXW9cDN0IpY?t=160
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 09, 2020, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Wait, what?
On one hand I can understand why they're doing this but on the other hand no. Is this even legal?

Texas company looking to dock paychecks for those receiving stimulus checks
https://wgno.com/news/health/coronavirus/texas-company-looking-to-dock-paychecks-for-those-receiving-stimulus-checks-tmw/

I think we are going to see a lot of very ugly court cases in the future addressing things like this. Lawyers are going to get rich.

I also think if the Covid-19 lockdowns continue you're going to see a labor movement uprising again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 09:33:15 AM


Obviously if Hillary was president stuff like this wouldn't happen seems to be the MSM spin on this

They're reading my mind! Need mor tin-foil!  [tinfoil]

WaPo contributor checks out how the COVID-19 pandemic is going on Earth 2 with President Hillary Clinton
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/09/wapo-contributor-checks-out-how-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-going-on-earth-2-with-president-hillary-clinton/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 09, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 08:52:11 PM
They're reading my mind! Need mor tin-foil!  [tinfoil]

WaPo contributor checks out how the COVID-19 pandemic is going on Earth 2 with President Hillary Clinton
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/09/wapo-contributor-checks-out-how-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-going-on-earth-2-with-president-hillary-clinton/

I picture alternate Earth* President HRC with a wheezing Darth Vader breathing mask, and a powered exoskeleton providing medical support.


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*S. M. Stirling's Draka-verse, perhaps?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2020, 09:43:02 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 09, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
"Reporting residents and businesses will not be required to donate their supplies of personal protective equipment, but county officials encourage them to do so..."

Yeah, sure.  And if not enough residents donate PPE, men with guns will eventually come to confiscate it.

For what it's worth, I read the actual order. There is an exception for individuals possessing quantities far greater than what I would expect even the most ardent prepper to keep on hand.

That doesn't mitigate my concerns about the .gov stealing supplies from entities that purchased them for their own needs, but at least I don't think it's going to result in the SWAT team kicking down your grandmother's door at oh-dark-thirty because she has three masks and she's only "allowed" to have one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2020, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 09, 2020, 11:21:42 AM

40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer.

Say WHAAAT?

You have obviously never lived on the east coast.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/humidity-by-state-in-summer.php
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 09, 2020, 09:48:54 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/92265098_122244902738692_900562356008910848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=5pCEh0rGrjgAX_kaTxl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=3c9253687dcbd93f1f83a57f31ebbf7e&oe=5EB4C783)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 09, 2020, 10:01:50 PM
"40%-60% humidity doesn't happen east of the short grass prairie in the US during the summer."

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Having lived in Washington, DC, metro for the past 30 years I can definitively tell you that it is a GLORIOUSLY REFRESHING summer day if the humidity drops below 60% goddamned percent.

Most of the time around here in the summer the humidity is so thick that it's easier to breath at the bottom of a swimming pool.

The average... AVERAGE relative humidity in July in DC is 67%, and a significant portion of the time it is well in excess of that at the hottest part of the day.

In the days before air conditioning many European nations considered a diplomatic posting to DC to be a tropical posting because summers were so brutal here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2020, 09:47:54 PM
Say WHAAAT?

You have obviously never lived on the east coast.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/humidity-by-state-in-summer.php

Or in Kentucky
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2020, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 09, 2020, 09:48:54 PM
[img]https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/92265098_122244902738692_900562356008910848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=5pCEh0rGrjgAX_kaTxl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=3c9253687dcbd93f1f83a57f31ebbf7e&oe=5EB4C783


Man, that's my expression every day since February.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 08:20:55 AM
According to this the virus could be far more widespread than is generally known which I would guess would go along with the 80% experience little to no symptoms data

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Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study.
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The researchers, along with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, analyzed the samples and found the number of coronavirus particles was on par with if there were 2,300 people infected with the virus.

But at the time of tests, there were only 446 confirmed cases in the region, according to the study.

Coronavirus traces found in Massachusetts wastewater at levels far higher than expected
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-traces-found-in-massachusetts-wastewater-at-levels-far-higher-than-expected
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 10, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
We really need widespread antibody testing so we can get this *expletive deleted*it over with and get back to whatever sense of normality we can.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 10, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
We really need widespread antibody testing so we can get this *expletive deleted*it over with and get back to whatever sense of normality we can.
Even if they don't, they need to switch over from EVERYONE sheltering in place to just those at risk and everyone else get back to business. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 09, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
Or in Kentucky
Or anywhere on the Gulf Coast though the Texas Gulf Coast may not be East. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 10, 2020, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
switch over from EVERYONE sheltering in place to just those at risk and everyone else get back to business. 
Sweden has been trying that, so far it hasn't been a disaster but it will be worth keeping an eye on.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-policy-sweden-claims-success-premature/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/08/is-swedens-lax-approach-coronavirus-backfiring/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 10, 2020, 10:20:40 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2020, 09:47:54 PM
Say WHAAAT?

You have obviously never lived on the east coast.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/humidity-by-state-in-summer.php

That was my point, it's a lot higher than that, pathogen loving soup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 10, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
In addition to the death toll and the economic crisis, we'll likely get a big expansion of the surveillance state too.   =|
Quote from: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/10/831200054/cdc-director-very-aggressive-contact-tracing-needed-for-u-s-to-return-to-normal
Redfield said it would be "premature" for him to specify how exactly the CDC will do this and how much staffing it plans to put in place. But he said an announcement will come in the near future. "Obviously, if we're going to try to get this nation back to work shortly after the end of this month, we're far along in those planning processes as we speak," he said.

Other places — such as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong — that have been praised for success in "flattening the curve" of coronavirus infections have used methods for contact tracing that might not fly in the U.S. because of privacy concerns. For instance, South Korea uses a variety of tools such as surveillance cameras, cellphone data and credit card transactions of suspected cases to help map transmission.

Redfield left the door open for contact tracing in the U.S. to employ cellphone data. "People are looking at all the different modern technology that could be brought to bear to make contact tracing more efficient and effective," he said. "Are there more tech-savvy ways to be more comprehensive in contact tracing? Currently these things are under aggressive evaluation."

He added that ultimately it will be up to state and local public health departments to determine how to do contact tracing. The CDC is there, Redfield said, to offer technical assistance and to "augment personnel substantially."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 10:52:20 AM
Surprise!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/violent-felon-released-from-rikers-island-over-coronavirus-he-was-just-arrested-again
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 10, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
There is a large grocery distribution center at the bottom of the hill about a half mile away.  It has been bustling with activity all the way through this whole CV event as though nothing had changed.  Trucks were coming and going 24/7, product coming in and goods going out to stores.
Today it is dead, no activity at all.  Someone probably sneezed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
Meanwhile in NY

Aerial images show New York ramping up burials as officials grapple with coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/us/aerial-images-new-york-hart-island-burials-coronavirus

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/04/1862/1048/bodies.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 10, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
There is a large grocery distribution center at the bottom of the hill about a half mile away.  It has been bustling with activity all the way through this whole CV event as though nothing had changed.  Trucks were coming and going 24/7, product coming in and goods going out to stores.
Today it is dead, no activity at all.  Someone probably sneezed.
Did they have a driver in Kentucky?

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62117.0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
Did they have a driver in Kentucky?

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62117.0

Occurred in Tennessee and the suspect is from NC
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:33:08 AM
Tennessee
I was close, but I guess that is a big difference.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
I was close, but I guess that is a big difference.   =D

What keeps Kentucky from falling into Tennessee?
Indiana sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
Meanwhile in NY

Aerial images show New York ramping up burials as officials grapple with coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/us/aerial-images-new-york-hart-island-burials-coronavirus

Why don't they just cremate those bodies?  They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
From the comments of that Fox article.
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Another fake news story.....allow me to explain.

So far there has been 17,000 deaths in the US from the coronavirus, the 1st death was on March 1st.
There have been 41 days of people dying......that is an average of 414 people a day dying of the coronvirus.
Last year during the flu season there were 80,000 deaths and run primarily in December to February.....the average day of deaths to the flu is 888....double what the coronavirus is...does anyone remember the stories of all the dead bodies lying around during the flu season and the struggle to bury them?

When you include all of the deaths in the US for every reason we actually average 7,700 deaths a day.....are we supposed to believe that with an increase of 6% that we can't handle it.

The media including Foxnews should be ashamed of themselves for doing this fake news story.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 10, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
From the comments of that Fox article.

He's probably right, to a degree.  But the average number is not really relevant, what matters is the peak [so far] number.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
From the comments of that Fox article.

These people just can't seem to get it into their heads that the intent is to keep the numbers not much worst then the flu.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
Kind of like saying
What's the point of fighting a house fire when the fire will eventually go out on it's own.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2020, 11:54:32 AM
Just chatted with a retired O-5 buddy of mine. His comment was that Bin Laden must be spinning in his grave. He used a dozen guys with box cutters instead of a dozen guys with a virus.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 10, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Why don't they just cremate those bodies?  They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.  

The bodies don't belong to the state, they belong to someone. Storing until claimed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 10, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
Why don't they just cremate those bodies?  They could also go a bit deeper if they are just going to stack them anyway.  

I had assumed cremation would be mandated.  Guess not . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 10, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
I had assumed cremation would be mandated.  Guess not . . .

Greta: How dare you!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 12:42:48 PM
Whoops  :rofl:

CNN coronavirus town hall accidentally features Trump Derangement Syndrome question
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-town-hall-trump-derangement-syndrome-question
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
They're working on that vaccine.

https://babylonbee.com/news/researchers-delay-new-vaccine-until-they-figure-out-how-to-make-it-cause-autism
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 01:38:57 PM
(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/noose.jpg)

Apparently, this is racist now.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 10, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
^^^^^

Only if you coach football for a team in the South. Everyone else can figure it there isn't anything racist about it but hey, why let a good opportunity to shout "He's Racist" go to waste!!

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 10, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
^^^^^

Only if you coach football for a team in the South. Everyone else can figure it there isn't anything racist about it but hey, why let a good opportunity to shout "He's Racist" go to waste!!

bob

So only Southerners are dumb? ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
I think this is still virus related. Cuomo sounds an awful lot like a conservative here.

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Cuomo, on WAMC, says there are "downsides" to voting by mail: "It's a harder system to administer, and obviously it's a harder system to police writ large. People showing up, people actually showing ID, is still the easiest system to assure total integrity."

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/10/gov-andrew-cuomo-sure-does-sound-a-lot-like-president-trump-on-voting-by-mail/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2020, 05:26:36 PM
Trump has been on fire smacking down these moron reporters.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/10/hello-911-trump-just-obliterated-jim-acosta-after-he-called-the-briefing-happy-talk/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
These people just can't seem to get it into their heads that the intent is to keep the numbers not much worst then the flu.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
So far, the flu still worse.  Is that because we are taking all these steps and doctors are learning how to treat it?   Or is that because it isn't quite as bad as they thought?  We'll see.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
Interesting theory. California might have developed herd immunity through undetected infection last year that was just bundled into flu season.

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-covid-19-herd-immunity-california/6091220/

Edit: Herd, not hard. Was typing on my phone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 10, 2020, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 10, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
Interesting theory. California might have developed hard immunity through undetected infection last year that was just bundled into flu season.

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-covid-19-herd-immunity-california/6091220/

Different link:
https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity-in-california-doctor-shares-his-thoughts/6093881/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 10, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Tomorrow morning during early senior shopping hour, I plan to put on a gun, a mask, nitrile gloves, and go to Walmart for a cheap countertop microwave. Should I stop and pay for it or just let the the wardrobe work for me?
Actually I’m getting it for a lady that will transition from nursing home back to her apartment next week. She broke her hip pre Covid 7 weeks ago and has been recovering. I’m her POA and help her out when she needs it because she has no family within 1000 miles. She has about 4’ of counter in a tiny senior subsidize housing unit and kept her old microwave taking up half her counter because the clock still worked.  :facepalm:
Her apartment is clean and uncluttered and supplied with necessities because my wife and I worked in there cleaning for 2 days and bought her new curtains, a couple lamps, new mattress cover, pillows, a vacuumed that works, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Kingcreek on April 10, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Tomorrow morning during early senior shopping hour, I plan to put on a gun, a mask, nitrile gloves, and go to Walmart for a cheap countertop microwave. Should I stop and pay for it or just let the the wardrobe work for me?
Actually I’m getting it for a lady that will transition from nursing home back to her apartment next week. She broke her hip pre Covid 7 weeks ago and has been recovering. I’m her POA and help her out when she needs it because she has no family within 1000 miles. She has about 4’ of counter in a tiny senior subsidize housing unit and kept her old microwave taking up half her counter because the clock still worked.  :facepalm:
Her apartment is clean and uncluttered and supplied with necessities because my wife and I worked in there cleaning for 2 days and bought her new curtains, a couple lamps, new mattress cover, pillows, a vacuumed that works, etc.

Good on you for helping out.

Why not just take it? No fingerprints, no way they can ID you, and if they try to stop you just shoot them. We're all gonna die anyhow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 10, 2020, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: charby on April 10, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
The bodies don't belong to the state, they belong to someone. Storing until claimed.


... Are there measures being taken to preserve the bodies? Otherwise I don't think it's really healthy to reclaim them...  [barf] And even then, it's not a job I'd want.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2020, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on April 10, 2020, 10:21:55 PM

... Are there measures being taken to preserve the bodies? Otherwise I don't think it's really healthy to reclaim them...  [barf] And even then, it's not a job I'd want.

Can C19 survive the Soylent Green process?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 11, 2020, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
From the comments of that Fox article.

Quote
Another fake news story.....allow me to explain.

So far there has been 17,000 deaths in the US from the coronavirus, the 1st death was on March 1st.
There have been 41 days of people dying......that is an average of 414 people a day dying of the coronvirus.
Last year during the flu season there were 80,000 deaths and run primarily in December to February.....the average day of deaths to the flu is 888....double what the coronavirus is...does anyone remember the stories of all the dead bodies lying around during the flu season and the struggle to bury them?

When you include all of the deaths in the US for every reason we actually average 7,700 deaths a day.....are we supposed to believe that with an increase of 6% that we can't handle it.

The media including Foxnews should be ashamed of themselves for doing this fake news story.

What homeslice in the comments has failed to take into account is that flu deaths are, more or less, evenly distributed among the population, and existing systems can handle it.  That is not true of COVID.  Let's do some very simple math:

NYC has a population of 8.6 million.  So they represent ~2.7% of the US's 320 mil. Let's say that NYC has a bunch of homeless and is dirty and are over represented in normal flu deaths, and double that.

Using that guys numbers for flu: 80,000 flu deaths*.054 for NYC's share/ (31 days in Dec+31 Days in Jan+29 Days in Feb)=47.5 deaths per day of flu in NYC.

As of today NYC has 7,067 COVID Deaths/41 days of dying=172.36 deaths per day just from COVID  Even if you assume that the normal flu isn't hitting at the same rate, NYC's respiratory disease death rate has quadrupled. 

And that's before you take into account stuff like this: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/massive-spike-in-nyc-cardiac-arrest-deaths-seen-as-sign-of-covid-19-undercounting/2368678/

Which is why they are having problems.

People need to remember that the US is a big place, and what they see in one place isn't necessarily indicative of conditions everywhere.  Conversely precautions that are appropriate in some places are stupidly overboard in others.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:35:45 AM
Funny, I was going to link the same article.
400% increase in “cardiac” deaths.
There’s no way that’s coincidental.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:38:05 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 10, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
So far, the flu still worse.  Is that because we are taking all these steps and doctors are learning how to treat it?   Or is that because it isn't quite as bad as they thought?  We'll see.

No, it’s not.  COVID accounts for more accounted for daily deaths than the flu world wide.
Also, the flu doesn’t collapse hospital systems. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on April 11, 2020, 08:09:59 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:38:05 AM
No, it’s not.  COVID accounts for more accounted for daily deaths than the flu world wide.
Also, the flu doesn’t collapse hospital systems. 

This.

Folks can quibble with math. You can’t really analyse away overflowing hospitals.

This isn’t just the flu and serious measures to stop it are clearly warranted. That doesn’t mean every extreme response makes sense, but it should be taken seriously and it is properly a life changing disease. If it’s not life changing because of isolation, it will be from wrecking medical systems and causing death.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Yee-Haw! Drive-thru gun shopping! Thank you Trump and virus! Trump 2020! Blood on the streets!  :lol:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-atf-authorizes-drive-through-gun-sales-to-maintain-social-distancing/

Actually I don't see it as all that convenient. You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days. Are they setting up a tent or something and people get out of their cars to fill out paperwork? Or are they handing people laptops? Seems like you're increasing chances of virus transmission. Regardless, I'm sure the term "drive-thru gun buying" is bursting liberal heads everywhere, so, win.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 11, 2020, 08:32:03 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 11, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Yee-Haw! Drive-thru gun shopping! Thank you Trump and virus! Trump 2020! Blood on the streets!  :lol:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-atf-authorizes-drive-through-gun-sales-to-maintain-social-distancing/

Actually I don't see it as all that convenient. You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days. Are they setting up a tent or something and people get out of their cars to fill out paperwork? Or are they handing people laptops? Seems like you're increasing chances of virus transmission. Regardless, I'm sure the term "drive-thru gun buying" is bursting liberal heads everywhere, so, win.

At least one gunshop here that I know of started this a couple of weeks ago.
On a related note: Waiting on a Glock 20 at another shop, got an e-mail saying I'll have to make an appointment to pick it up when it comes in
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 11, 2020, 08:32:03 AM
At least one gunshop here that I know of started this a couple of weeks ago.
On a related note: Waiting on a Glock 20 at another shop, got an e-mail saying I'll have to make an appointment to pick it up when it comes in

Yeah, I ordered an FNX45 a little over two weeks ago with a "2-3 business days" delivery via the store's website. Still waiting. Apparently their website couldn't keep up with supplier inventory changes. They are now saying 2-3 weeks for any ordered firearm. Their weekly update said that sales are slowing down now - in fact they used the word "thankfully", which you normally don't hear from people making a profit. They continue to have limits on number of customers in their store, and they currently have a [Arrested Development] "no touching!" [/Arrested Development] policy for in-store stock.

Guess  I shoulda bought this one at Cabelas, since they have them in stock at the local store, but I'm tired of all black pistols and wanted the tacticool poser FDE/black one, which is now out of stock almost everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 11, 2020, 10:29:21 AM
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    BREAKING: Democrat Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear is sending police to churches this weekend to record the license plates of anyone who attends Easter services and is going to force them into quarantine for 14 days https://t.co/Vv6YoLwhF7

    — Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) April 11, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Good point about basically having no conversation about it, and just going straight Big Brother. Also how some of these "leaders" are almost enjoying the power. Guess they figure it gives them something that makes their jobs look important.

I'm beginning to feel the same about this stuff as I do about TSA. I'd rather be blown up on a plane by a shoe bomb while remaining a free man, than being "safe" and a subject.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/


Edit: WLJ beat me to the punch.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
As long as a 4473 is done....why would the ATF need to authorize "drive through" sales?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on April 11, 2020, 11:07:17 AM
I think the question is about whether the drive through counts as "on premises". There is a difference between selling a gun in the store, and selling a gun through the mail. Selling a gun through the mail usually requires the buyer to physically go to an FFL to take possession. There is a legitimate question what "physically go" means. If an FFL set up something like an Amazon locker for people to pick up guns, would that be ok? Would a drive through window be ok? Ok then what if there is a separating wall, and the buyer and seller interact over video/intercom? What if the same system is used but the buyer and seller are in different buildings or different towns? They need to clarify what remote sales means. Apparently drive-up windows and tents are kosher.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 11, 2020, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 11, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Good point about basically having no conversation about it, and just going straight Big Brother. Also how some of these "leaders" are almost enjoying the power. Guess they figure it gives them something that makes their jobs look important.

I'm beginning to feel the same about this stuff as I do about TSA. I'd rather be blown up on a plane by a shoe bomb while remaining a free man, than being "safe" and a subject.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/


Edit: WLJ beat me to the punch.


I'd be interested in how exactly they intend to enforce those quarantines.  The folks at church have pretty much proven by being at church that they don't care about governmental decrees.  If you station a LEO outside all their houses to enforce a quarantine the manpower cost would be enormous, and if you decide to send cops to houses to drag people away to a quarantine facility I suspect we'll learn what the Venn diagram of "people in Kentucky that blow off .gov orders to go to church" and "People in Kentucky with guns that aren't going to peaceably leave their house" looks like.

Like what's the Governer's endgame here?  There's no way that threat ends well for him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 11, 2020, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
As long as a 4473 is done....why would the ATF need to authorize "drive through" sales?

The FFL is suppose to engage the customer to try to weed out straw purchases and spot anything else that may raise a red flag about the purchase.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 11, 2020, 11:11:45 AM
I'd be interested in how exactly they intend to enforce those quarantines.  The folks at church have pretty much proven by being at church that they don't care about governmental decrees.  If you station a LEO outside all their houses to enforce a quarantine the manpower cost would be enormous, and if you decide to send cops to houses to drag people away to a quarantine facility I suspect we'll learn what the Venn diagram of "people in Kentucky that blow off .gov orders to go to church" and "People in Kentucky with guns that aren't going to peaceably leave their house" looks like.

Like what's the Governer's endgame here?  There's no way that threat ends well for him.

Goes back the conversations we were having here well before the virus hit the MSM. What size population is too big to quarantine? At some point, operationally, you just can't do it. Also at some point, if you go over the line on your quarantines, you maybe start to learn how the United States was formed in the first place. We're not the same as the Chinese culture, and won't be welded into our homes with resignation and a smile on our face so as not to upset the armed welders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:38:05 AM
No, it’s not.  COVID accounts for more accounted for daily deaths than the flu world wide.
Also, the flu doesn’t collapse hospital systems. 

Covid 19 is not collapsing hospital systems .... atleast in America.   We feared it but it isn't hapoening.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 11, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
Covid 19 is not collapsing hospital systems .... atleast in America.   We feared it but it isn't hapoening.
I was about to ask that.  I haven't heard of that happening anywhere in the US, even in New York. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
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Total cases: 459,165
Total deaths: 16,570

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
Quote
This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses.

So the COVID-19 stuff is still playing out and the number of deaths has not yet finished, but it isn't there yet.  We will see where it ends up. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 11, 2020, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: De Selby on April 11, 2020, 08:09:59 AM
This.

Folks can quibble with math. You can’t really analyse away overflowing hospitals.

This isn’t just the flu and serious measures to stop it are clearly warranted. That doesn’t mean every extreme response makes sense, but it should be taken seriously and it is properly a life changing disease. If it’s not life changing because of isolation, it will be from wrecking medical systems and causing death.


So which countries is that happening in? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 11, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
Covid 19 is not collapsing hospital systems .... atleast in America.   We feared it but it isn't happening.

Yes it is.  CBS proved it by using video of an Italian hospital overflowing with CV patients to depict a New York City hospital.  After being called out for it the first time, they claimed it was an error in editing the story.
Then they doubled down and did it again for another story on hospital overcrowding.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 11, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 11, 2020, 08:25:38 AM

Actually I don't see it as all that convenient. You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days. Are they setting up a tent or something and people get out of their cars to fill out paperwork? Or are they handing people laptops? Seems like you're increasing chances of virus transmission. Regardless, I'm sure the term "drive-thru gun buying" is bursting liberal heads everywhere, so, win.

"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 11, 2020, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 11, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.

When I bought a lower at Cabelas last year, they were using tablet computers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 11, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
I bought an H&R revolver at Bass Pro several years ago and they had a computerized 4473.  Academy Sports uses it.  Primary Arms uses it as well if you buy at their store in Pearland, TX. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 11, 2020, 01:21:57 PM
4 of the 5 FFL's I use regularly have switched over.  They even have the tablets at gunshows now.  I think I first saw it digitally circa 2016 or so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 11, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
One more possible symptom:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body/202004/possible-early-sign-covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
POC in New York with virus symptoms are afraid to go to the hospital because Trump will get them.  ;/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/aoc-says-people-in-her-district-have-coronavirus-but-are-afraid-to-go-to-the-hospital-because-of-trumps-xenophobic-covid-response/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 11, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.

Move to America, yo. I've only had one small gunshop here give me my forms hardcopy. Everyone else, including Cabelas and the like, do it on the computer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 11, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
For me, I notice it was the bigger retail outlets that went to electronic first.  I figure that must make it easier to prove the forms were filled out right and audit the critical items.  I imagine it also means they can tag the form with their inventory as well.  

Most dealers I deal with still use the paper form.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 11, 2020, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 11, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
"You still have to do paperwork, which most everyone does on a computer these days." Where? I've never seen a gun shop where I could fill out a 4473 on a computer. I don't even think that's legal.

I did two 4473s on a PC this week.  All it does is print the normal form in a readable print instead of my usual chicken scratch.  I still had to physically sign the paper copy.  I guess it also electronically submits the info to the ATF or State Police or whoever, because the gun shop never had to make a call.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 05:20:48 PM
It's being speculated here that this is one reason Sun Valley has more per capita cases than almost anywhere else in the country.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/celebrities-reportedly-fleeing-urban-coronavirus-hotspots-to-spend-time-in-flyover-country-and-people-have-thoughts/


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 11, 2020, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: zahc on April 11, 2020, 11:07:17 AM
I think the question is about whether the drive through counts as "on premises". There is a difference between selling a gun in the store, and selling a gun through the mail. Selling a gun through the mail usually requires the buyer to physically go to an FFL to take possession. There is a legitimate question what "physically go" means. If an FFL set up something like an Amazon locker for people to pick up guns, would that be ok? Would a drive through window be ok? Ok then what if there is a separating wall, and the buyer and seller interact over video/intercom? What if the same system is used but the buyer and seller are in different buildings or different towns? They need to clarify what remote sales means. Apparently drive-up windows and tents are kosher.

The BATFE has clarified that. Apparently, "premises" means "premises."

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/open-letter/atf-business-premises-guidance-letter-4-10-2020/download
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:05:14 PM
When I bought the .308 at Cabelas, it was electronic 4473 there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:21:35 PM
Well, we're getting $666.90 stimulus check. Got an email from my bank today.
Likely going to invest it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 07:34:34 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 11, 2020, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 11, 2020, 10:29:21 AM
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/11/kentuckys-dem-governor-reminds-citizens-about-the-punishment-that-awaits-if-their-license-plate-is-spotted-outside-easter-church-services-or-other-mass-gatherings/

Apparently the drive-in church services will be allowed, at least for Easter:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/11/mitch-mcconnell-rand-paul-laud-judge-granting-kentucky-church-permission-to-hold-drive-in-easter-service/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on April 11, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 11, 2020, 06:21:35 PM
Well, we're getting $666.90 stimulus check. Got an email from my bank today.
Likely going to invest it. 

That's the most metal Trump Bucks check amount I've heard of yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2020, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Andiron on April 11, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
That's the most metal Trump Bucks check amount I've heard of yet.

Trump Bucks? Hopefully they're not like Schrute Bucks.

https://youtu.be/3IYQXUfezxY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 11, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Trump bucks and Trump pills for the win  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 11, 2020, 09:13:06 PM
Local Walmart does the 4473 on computer, including the signatures.  Use the mouse & keyboard to fill out the form, use the POS to sign.  Form is printed for local records, it's sent to BATF electronically.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on April 11, 2020, 11:05:15 PM
I watched the April 10th NBC News episode via Youtube.

There's political cranks pushing for FedGuv to manufacture 300+ million COVID tests.

The only way that's reasonable to do, is if you have a means to administer 300+ million tests.  And the authority to force non-willing subjects to take the test.

I smell a massive power grab over the makeup of the individual human body coming.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 11, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
Yes it is.  CBS proved it by using video of an Italian hospital overflowing with CV patients to depict a New York City hospital.  After being called out for it the first time, they claimed it was an error in editing the story.
Then they doubled down and did it again for another story on hospital overcrowding.

I said American  hospitals.    I don't know about other countries.   I'm not surprised about Italy .....   and I wouldn't trust most broadcast network news if they told me July follows June.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 01:13:01 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
I said American  hospitals.    I don't know about other countries.   I'm not surprised about Italy .....   and I wouldn't trust most broadcast network news if they told me July follows June.   

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 01:15:56 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 11, 2020, 08:13:18 PM
Apparently the drive-in church services will be allowed, at least for Easter:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/11/mitch-mcconnell-rand-paul-laud-judge-granting-kentucky-church-permission-to-hold-drive-in-easter-service/

My county (in MO) is OK with them. Don't know what Kentucky's problem is.

Oh, just saw this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ag-barr-taking-action-against-gov-officials-who-regulate-religious-services
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 02:37:24 AM
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on April 11, 2020, 11:05:15 PM
I watched the April 10th NBC News episode via Youtube.

There's political cranks pushing for FedGuv to manufacture 300+ million COVID tests.

The only way that's reasonable to do, is if you have a means to administer 300+ million tests.  And the authority to force non-willing subjects to take the test.

I smell a massive power grab over the makeup of the individual human body coming.

 You touch on the basic question defining religious and political thought.  "Do you own yourself?"
All totalitarian states will assert you do not, in fact, own yourself- that "society" or "the state" owns you.
That is the fundamental reason they hate Christianity. Free will is toxic to tyrants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 06:38:10 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 11, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
I said American  hospitals.    I don't know about other countries.   I'm not surprised about Italy .....   and I wouldn't trust most broadcast network news if they told me July follows June.

That one sailed right over your head, didn't it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 12, 2020, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 12, 2020, 01:15:56 AM
My county (in MO) is OK with them. Don't know what Kentucky's problem is.

Oh, just saw this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ag-barr-taking-action-against-gov-officials-who-regulate-religious-services


I saw a video of some pastor in Mississippi I think, filming a gaggle of cop cars showing up to block people from his drive-in service. He mentioned the common question of why it was okay to go to Walmart with 100 other people, but people sitting in the car was not and mentioned his constitutional rights. One of the cops said, "Your rights are temporarily suspended."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 08:44:17 AM
They never want to miss an opportunely to try to make Orange Man look bad

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   Union Locates Massive Supply of N95 Masks – SEIU UHW. Thank you ⁦@SEIU⁩. Proud to be a member of this union. We are all in this together. https://t.co/WvA3eQFevd

    — Donna Brazile (@donnabrazile) March 26, 2020
Quote
   seiu just revealed they found *39 million* n95 masks while trump is sitting on his hands https://t.co/qwivLjvtmh

    — Oliver Willis (@owillis) March 26, 2020

But maybe in this case they should have

Quote
   The SEIU’s claim to have located 39 million masks was actually just someone in Kuwait trying to scam them (!!). The scam was uncovered when FBI agents tried to seize the masks from the SEIU and to FEMA (!!!) https://t.co/Hbfirxa1NN

    — Tom Gara (@tomgara) April 11, 2020

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 12, 2020, 01:15:56 AM
My county (in MO) is OK with them. Don't know what Kentucky's problem is.

Typical government critter, doesn't know when to stop
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Move over chem trails, 5G spreads C19  :facepalm:

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Q: I follow Woody Harrelson on Instagram and he says that 5G radio waves spread the coronavirus. This is frightening!

A: Woody Harrelson is an actor and entitled to believe whatever he wants. Based on the NIH research I have read and my 25 years in the tech industry, I’m confident that 5G signals and coronavirus have no tangible connection except that they’re both invisible to the human eye.

Harrelson’s assertion is only the latest in a wave of coronavirus conspiracy theories. My advice is always to consult the CDC first, using its social media channels to find the newest information. These are some of the foremost health experts in the world and only present facts that they consider settled science.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/5g-conspiracies-diy-masks-homeschool-advice-and-more-tech-qa
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 12, 2020, 08:33:36 AM
I saw a video of some pastor in Mississippi I think, filming a gaggle of cop cars showing up to block people from his drive-in service. He mentioned the common question of why it was okay to go to Walmart with 100 other people, but people sitting in the car was not and mentioned his constitutional rights. One of the cops said, "Your rights are temporarily suspended."

This whole over-the-top CV response will prove once and for all that we have only those rights the government (at all levels) allows us to have.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Move over chem trails, 5G spreads C19  :facepalm:
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/5g-conspiracies-diy-masks-homeschool-advice-and-more-tech-qa

I think only like 15 countries have 5g so far...so...

Seems like somehow the conspiracy that china lost 20 million cell subscribers, at the same time as COVID, at the same time as their 5g cross over, somehow all got mixed up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
This whole over-the-top CV response will prove once and for all that we have only those rights the government (at all levels) allows us to have.

Careful. I got raked over the coals for daring to assert that.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 09:21:29 AM
The most important number, hospitalizations....they are on the downtick in NYC:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-cuomo-says-new-hospitalizations-hit-apex-new-york-2020-4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 12, 2020, 10:41:23 AM
China bans black people in public. Okay MSM "the US is xenophobic" China lovers, time to step up.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/12/as-reports-of-blatant-racism-against-black-people-surface-in-china-we-eagerly-await-a-response-from-the-nba/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 12, 2020, 10:55:49 AM
If 5G spreads the Covid, some other frequency range ought to corral it - maybe even kill it. My cell phone is 2G (Nokia 5190) and I don't have the Covid. Obviously, 2G repels the Covid.  :cool:

No, my cell phone is not for sale!  :old:

Woody

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 12, 2020, 10:41:23 AM
China bans black people in public. Okay MSM "the US is xenophobic" China lovers, time to step up.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/12/as-reports-of-blatant-racism-against-black-people-surface-in-china-we-eagerly-await-a-response-from-the-nba/

Someone somewhere is at their computer right now writing the article using unquestionable logic explaining how this is all Orange Man's fault and you know one or more of the congress critters is going to run with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
(https://www.refugeforums.com/attachments/upload_2020-4-10_18-14-34-jpeg.244352/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 12, 2020, 12:05:02 PM
They said they wouldn't be taking back around here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 12, 2020, 12:05:02 PM
They said they wouldn't be taking back around here.

Raise a big enough stink and Walmart will take anything back.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 12:26:21 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
Careful. I got raked over the coals for daring to assert that.  ;/

Citation needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 12, 2020, 01:07:37 PM
Well looks like meat is going to get more expensive. Smithville closed South Dakota plant for at least two weeks could be longer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
This whole over-the-top CV response will prove once and for all that we have only those rights the government (at all levels) allows us to have.


 In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
 That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power. 
 All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 12, 2020, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 06:38:10 AM
That one sailed right over your head, didn't it?
....But UNDER the radar ..... [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 12, 2020, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
(https://www.refugeforums.com/attachments/upload_2020-4-10_18-14-34-jpeg.244352/)


Why would anyone goto the trouble of returning $20 worth of paper towels?  You'll use them eventually.  (Rhetorical.  People are stupid)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 12, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 12, 2020, 01:07:37 PM
Well looks like meat is going to get more expensive. Smithville closed South Dakota plant for at least two weeks could be longer.

Smithville must be a small player, they aren't one of the big four. Friday commodity reports says that packers have surplus of meat in frozen inventory.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 03:06:08 PM
https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/93-year-old-woman-using-powers-of-the-internet-to-keep-beer-stocked-during-pandemic

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 11, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
Yes it is.  CBS proved it by using video of an Italian hospital overflowing with CV patients to depict a New York City hospital.  After being called out for it the first time, they claimed it was an error in editing the story.
Then they doubled down and did it again for another story on hospital overcrowding.

CBS's lazy journalism doesn't change anything. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
This is from mid-February.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzzn2mj1Qc
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 01:38:31 PM

 In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
 That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power. 
 All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.

How so? The courts have been used countless times to secure rights people hadn't been able to exercise before. You're saying those people were all willing to shed blood or be killed for those rights? How do you know that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 12, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
CBS's lazy journalism doesn't change anything. 

It isn't merely lazy.  It is deliberately dishonest.

Ditto for using Knob Creek footage and claiming it was shot in Syria or rigging a pickup truck with incendiaries.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 12, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 03:06:08 PM
https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/93-year-old-woman-using-powers-of-the-internet-to-keep-beer-stocked-during-pandemic



(https://i1.wp.com/www.mondialnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1586658250_I-need-more-beer-93-year-olds-Facebook-appeal-goes-viral.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 05:43:00 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 12, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
How so? The courts have been used countless times to secure rights people hadn't been able to exercise before. You're saying those people were all willing to shed blood or be killed for those rights? How do you know that?


 History shows it clearly. IN the end, they have to be willing. They may not have been willing, and got a favorable ruling. But eventually, courts are corrupted by the powers to their own ends.  They may be a stop gap measure, AS long as the law is respected. Power respects power- nothing else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 12, 2020, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 12, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
How so? The courts have been used countless times to secure rights people hadn't been able to exercise before. You're saying those people were all willing to shed blood or be killed for those rights? How do you know that?


We have a number of "boxes" we use to protect and defend our rights.

The soap box
The ballot box
The jury box
And in the end, as a means of last resort if all of the above fail:
The ammo box.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” - Thomas Jefferson.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 12, 2020, 05:57:19 PM

Alan Gura, inter alia, forced the state of Illinois to recognize the right to carry a gun - not in the ideal, permitless, Constitutional carry style, but people in Illinois can now exercise a right they previously could not.

Were Alan Gura and associates willing to die for that? Were they willing to kill? How would we know?

We could do this with plenty of other cases. Hobby Lobby, Citizens United, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 06:21:22 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 01:38:31 PM

 In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
 That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power.  
 All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.

Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of folks around willing to water the tree of liberty.  Most people have been beguiled by promises of free stuff and false security.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 12, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 12, 2020, 05:51:46 PM
We have a number of "boxes" we use to protect and defend our rights.

The soap box
The ballot box
The jury box
And in the end, as a means of last resort if all of the above fail:
The ammo box.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” - Thomas Jefferson.


We need ammo boxes in the beginning, too. The soap box, ballot box and jury box are all built out of empty ammo boxes.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 12, 2020, 05:57:19 PM
Alan Gura, inter alia, forced the state of Illinois to recognize the right to carry a gun - not in the ideal, permitless, Constitutional carry style, but people in Illinois can now exercise a right they previously could not.

Were Alan Gura and associates willing to die for that? Were they willing to kill? How would we know?

We could do this with plenty of other cases. Hobby Lobby, Citizens United, etc.

 I cannot speculate on their commitment.  The courts conceded.
 What you seem unwilling to contemplate is the courts, and all the organs of the state, refusing to recognize "rights".
 As a primer, I would suggest "One day in the life of Ivan Densisovich", and "the gulag archipelago".
 
 I did not say we are there yet- but IN THE END , rights are obtained not by courts, but by men and women who are willing to die for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2020, 10:44:43 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on April 12, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 12, 2020, 06:21:22 PM
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of folks around willing to water the tree of liberty.  Most people have been beguiled by promises of free stuff and false security.

The worse thing is all of the Karens willing to dime out any business they claim isn't necessary.  We don't need a Gestapo,  we've got the bones of one via facebook.  Willing participants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 13, 2020, 09:10:04 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR1UAp4wMrlTpi0gVE0uZ4m6zOfwHBOGJcqwj_b9D9NOrr-pr8ZRMW6GV-o


Very few healthy people die from the China Virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 13, 2020, 09:10:04 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR1UAp4wMrlTpi0gVE0uZ4m6zOfwHBOGJcqwj_b9D9NOrr-pr8ZRMW6GV-o


Very few healthy people die from the China Virus.

Serves Americans right for being so unhealthy then?  Obesity alone has been identified as a comorbidity factor, and almost 40% of Americans are considered obese.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 13, 2020, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
I cannot speculate on their commitment.  The courts conceded.
 What you seem unwilling to contemplate is the courts, and all the organs of the state, refusing to recognize "rights".
 As a primer, I would suggest "One day in the life of Ivan Densisovich", and "the gulag archipelago".
 
 I did not say we are there yet- but IN THE END , rights are obtained not by courts, but by men and women who are willing to die for them.

So you:

1. admit you were wrong, and I was right
2. make up some baseless nonsense about me
3. give me homework, as if I didn't just school you

How about no?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 13, 2020, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Serves Americans right for being so unhealthy then?  Obesity alone has been identified as a comorbidity factor, and almost 40% of Americans are considered obese.

I mean....Kinda?

I'm all for personal freedom, and if people want to be (and can afford to be) land whales then rock on with your bad self.  But that choice comes with consequences, one of which is being more susceptible to diseases and overall less lifespan. 

The choice to live healthy has consequences as well, but different ones.  Each person makes their own choice, and deals with the fall out as best they can.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 13, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 09:46:19 AM
So you:

1. admit you were wrong, and I was right
2. make up some baseless nonsense about me
3. give me homework, as if I didn't just school you

How about no?

I think you might be over-reacting a bit in your response. Rereading the sub-thread, to me at least (i.e., IMO), Tokugawa was not talking about now, but stating worst case scenario responses that may have to be made to a completely corrupt government. We're not there (yet). People don't have to resort to pulling their pistols. Courts mostly work, and where they don't, as a society, we're at a point where we don't care enough, or it's not important enough to us, to respond with violence to protect our rights.

We always talk about lines in the sand here, where everyone has their own about when to get sporty. People are fat and happy and chillin' with Netflix, so as a society we're a long way from "Unintended Consequences". If someday, under President Cortez, our courts start to turn into University sexual assault tribunals, either laying low and staying under the radar, or taking up arms for our rights and freedoms, may be the choices. Or just going along with the new status quo, which plenty of other societies have done.

Courts and (US) government work to protect our constitutional rights until they don't. Then we can appeal and win, or appeal and lose. Then we can accept that result or not. However, as the very last resort, when everything else has failed, how else to protect your unalienable rights (besides flying under the radar) other than with a fight?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 13, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: Donald J. Trump
For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue. A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!

I'm curios what he thinks he can do to "open up the states", especially if governors are opposed to it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 13, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 09:46:19 AM
So you:

1. admit you were wrong, and I was right
2. make up some baseless nonsense about me
3. give me homework, as if I didn't just school you

How about no?

 Actually, no, I do not admit you were right. You are being obtuse, and refusing to recognize where freedom comes from. As additional reading I suggest the Declaration of Independence.
 
 Every tyranny has the Rule of Law. Every Jew was killed under the Law of the Reich. All the prisoners in the Gulags there under the Law and the Courts.   All of us , are always, one law from being criminals.
 
 It's not like this is a weird concept  I just came up with.  Well, it is if you have modern American teachers, maybe, but though out the world, and throughout history, it has been widely accepted.
 
 In fact, it is the sole reason we have a Second Amendment. To enforce liberty, by killing tyrants.
 
 There is lot's of mumbo -jumbo about this, it's not "nice", not PC, offends the sensitive, but it is the truth.

 


 
  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 13, 2020, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 13, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
I'm curios what he thinks he can do to "open up the states", especially if governors are opposed to it.
I think if the FedGov issues recommendations to reopen things, State Governors will be under a lot of pressure to do in their state unless they are having particularly serious issues with the virus.  I don't think the Feds should or need to force anything. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 13, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
I'm curios what he thinks he can do to "open up the states", especially if governors are opposed to it.

Taking away the disaster declaration would take away access to federal funding.  The smart thing to do would be to roll it into state by state declarations in talks with the governors and health departments of those states. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 13, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 13, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
You are being obtuse, and refusing to recognize where freedom comes from.

Refusing to recognize what now? Based on what that I said, exactly? I'll expect an answer on that about the same time you tell me how I'm "unwilling to contemplate" that the courts don't always get it right. I tried being civil with you, but all I got for it was you making up stupid things about me. Keep your absurd straw men at least six feet away from me, please.

As for the rest of your blather, I already told you to quit giving me homework. Here's something for you to work on.


Quote from: tokugawa on April 13, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Actually, no, I do not admit you were right.  


Then why, in response to a few obvious examples that contradicted your overblown rhetoric, did you go from this:

Quote from: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 01:38:31 PM
In the end, we have only the rights we are willing to die, and kill, for.
 That is the only thing that stops the expansion of power.  
 All the rest, the law, the courts, is all window dressing.

to this?

Quote from: tokugawa on April 12, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
I cannot speculate on their commitment. The courts conceded.

You admitted that the courts are not "all window dressing," and that the stuff about being willing to kill or be killed is just, well, window dressing.

Now leave me alone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 13, 2020, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Refusing to recognize what now? Based on what that I said, exactly? I'll expect an answer on that about the same time you tell me how I'm "unwilling to contemplate" that the courts don't always get it right. I tried being civil with you, but all I got for it was you making up stupid things about me. Keep your absurd straw men at least six feet away from me, please.

As for the rest of your blather, I already told you to quit giving me homework. Here's something for you to work on.


Then why, in response to a few obvious examples that contradicted your overblown rhetoric, did you go from this:

to this?

You admitted that the courts are not "all window dressing," and that the stuff about being willing to kill or be killed is just, well, window dressing.

Now leave me alone.

I refer.you to my signature. You're illustrating it well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Larry Ashcraft on April 13, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
My younger brother from Q-Town said last night that the NM governor has ordered liquor stores closed.  That's not going to end well.

Unless, the ones on the reservations are not affected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 13, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: Larry Ashcraft on April 13, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
My younger brother from Q-Town said last night that the NM governor has ordered liquor stores closed.  That's not going to end well.

Unless, the ones on the reservations are not affected.

They left them open here as "essential" specifically because they are state liquor stores, bringing in state revenue. Apparently several other states with state stores did the same thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 13, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 13, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
They left them open here as "essential" specifically because they are state liquor stores, bringing in state revenue. Apparently several other states with state stores did the same thing.

NC did the same thing.  And yes, we've gallantly contributed to the state's income during this trying time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 13, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 13, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
NC did the same thing.  And yes, we've gallantly contributed to the state's income during this trying time.

PATRIOT!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 13, 2020, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 13, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
PATRIOT!

 :laugh:

Only a half patriot.  We bought some blended Canadian whiskey for mixing with OJ.   :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 13, 2020, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 13, 2020, 04:03:27 PM
Only a half patriot.  We bought some blended Canadian whiskey for mixing with OJ.   :P

Me too, only bought a fifth of Smirnoff vodka (mules and screwdrivers) and fifth of Canadian Club (whisky and soda). I was pretty well stocked before Covid happened, running low on cheap beer though and might be able to golf again this weekend. Club houses are closed so it's BYOB and dirt cheap greens fees.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Corona to the left of me, ebola to the right
Here I am, stuck in quarantine with you

Ebola spreading in Democratic Republic of Congo during coronavirus fight, officials say
https://www.foxnews.com/world/ebola-democratic-republic-congo-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 13, 2020, 09:02:51 PM
That's not good.

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-by-targeting-protective-cells-warn-scientists/ar-BB12uI6s
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 13, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 13, 2020, 02:41:33 PM
I refer.you to my signature. You're illustrating it well.

It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 13, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcRS5eUpwk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2020, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 13, 2020, 09:02:51 PM
That's not good.

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-by-targeting-protective-cells-warn-scientists/ar-BB12uI6s

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/79/96/3479961832fe16ccb3a06cd45424b6b3.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 13, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

Prosperity gospel meets pandemic.

God is not your magic wand pastor. That's the difference between Christianity and the pagan religions.

You are shaped to God's will, you don't bend Him to yours.

(Oh, and he outed himself as a false prophet, as well.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 13, 2020, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

From the article:

Quote
Their daughter, Mar-Gerie Crawley, told WTVR that her father initially dismissed his symptoms because he has a condition that often leads to fevers and infections.

...

“I just beg people to understand the severity and the seriousness of this, because people are saying it’s not just about us, it’s about everyone around us.”

People "are saying" it's not just about us, it's about everyone around us?

That's not just what "people are saying" -- that's what is. I'm 99.9% certain that I don't have it, but I'm nonetheless afraid to even go to the supermarket because I tick so many boxes on the list of high risk factors (I tick all of them, in fact). Yes, it is about everyone around us, because if I get it, I'll probably die. And it would only take one idiot to give it to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 13, 2020, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 13, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
Prosperity gospel meets pandemic.

God is not your magic wand pastor. That's the difference between Christianity and the pagan religions.

You are shaped to God's will, you don't bend Him to yours.

(Oh, and he outed himself as a false prophet, as well.)

On the other hand he just died, so we don't need to pile on him right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 14, 2020, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 11:59:40 PM
On the other hand he just died, so we don't need to pile on him right now.

Good point. I'm sure he doesn't need that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 14, 2020, 05:56:16 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.



How so, did you leave the convention  in the middle of your key note speech?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 14, 2020, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 14, 2020, 05:56:16 AM
How so, did you leave the convention  in the middle of your key note speech?

Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, you're all beautiful smart. Can't we just all get along?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 08:14:57 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 14, 2020, 08:04:05 AM
Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, you're all beautiful smart. Can't we just all get along?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR_HBKbim-PrJr0-2dJFJQ_I0UJJt2T0_sk8tVEG0PYufTgGYmF&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 08:23:58 AM
A bit worrisome

Quote
More than 100 South Koreans who fully recovered from coronavirus have tested positive for a second time, as the country eyes an easing of social-distancing rules, officials said.
Quote
Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the virus may have been reactivated after remaining dormant in the patients, as opposed to them being reinfected.

Coronavirus has 'reactivated' in more than 100 South Koreans who recovered
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-reactivated-more-than-100-south-koreans-who-recovered
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 08:39:49 AM
Quote
The World Health Organization is under fire after Taiwan released the contents of a December email inquiring about the person -to-person spread of COVID-19, which it says was ignored by the organization and further denied to provide adequate information about how to fight the virus.

Taiwan is accusing the WHO of downplaying the severity and spread of the coronavirus in an attempt to pander to China, even after Taiwan sounded the alarm about at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia that they were aware of in Wuhan, where the virus originated.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/taiwan-releases-december-email-showing-unheeded-warning-to-who-about-coronavirus

Add this to the mix

Chinese aircraft carrier sails past Taiwan as US Navy struggles with coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-aircraft-carrier-taiwan-us-navy-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 08:23:58 AM
A bit worrisome

Coronavirus has 'reactivated' in more than 100 South Koreans who recovered
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-reactivated-more-than-100-south-koreans-who-recovered


It's quite possible that the tests that cleared them were false negatives, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
It's quite possible that the tests that cleared them were false negatives, too.
I recall hearing part of the defense over the US not having testing ramped up sooner was the tests they had weren't very accurate.  The hindsight reports after all this is over might be interesting. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:22:24 AM
https://twitter.com/edrennie77/status/1249028359855759361
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVVwYznWsAMiOBC?format=png&name=small)

I think this was just some guy putting information together, but it is interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:27:56 AM
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1249658555042394113?s=19
British Police SMASH in a door to ensure the male occupant wasn’t holding an “illegal social gathering”.

There is a bit of bad language in the video.  It wasn't clear if they knocked first.  Might be something missing there.  No PPE on the police either. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:33:20 AM
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/2020-04-13-covid19-chinese-mcdonalds-wont-serve-black-people-video/
COVID19: Chinese McDonalds Won't Serve Black People (video)

I have heard this mentioned in the last few days. 

Quote
African migrants in Guangzhou, China are being evicted from their apartments and hotel rooms after local government officials blamed black people for a string of recently reported coronavirus cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:34:09 AM
A couple days late with this one.

https://babylonbee.com/news/roman-authorities-investigating-jesus-for-violating-stay-in-tomb-order
Roman Authorities Investigating Jesus For Violating Stay-In-Tomb Order
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 14, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 13, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
It's like I interrupted an idiots' convention.

Quote
How so, did you leave the convention  in the middle of your key note speech?

Can you two knock it off?  Or take it to PMs?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
DON'T CALL IT THE CHINESE VIRUS, THAT'S RACIST!!!!
Meanwhile, in China:

Quote from: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:33:20 AM
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/2020-04-13-covid19-chinese-mcdonalds-wont-serve-black-people-video/
COVID19: Chinese McDonalds Won't Serve Black People (video)

I have heard this mentioned in the last few days. 


I've read some first hand reports about the Chinese, especially the government, being openly racist and even encouraging it.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 09:52:51 AM
I still highly doubt the weapon theory.  But as far as theescaped pathogen from a research lab theory....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/?utm_source=reddit.com
Looks more and more plausible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 09:57:34 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 14, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 09:52:51 AM
I still highly doubt the weapon theory.  But as far as theescaped pathogen from a research lab theory....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/?utm_source=reddit.com
Looks more and more plausible.

I agree, it doesn't seem potent enough to be a weapon and targeted at the wrong type of population.

Escaped from the lab is just a likely as wet markets. China doesn't have a great sanitary/prevention protocols. (The wet markets themselves being evidence of this...)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
"Escaped from a lab" seems like a plausible explanation for how this virus made it into the public.  The idea of it being a weapon is very doubtful. 

I heard someone mention the bat this virus was found in is only found some distance away from Wuhan and one or more of the researchers in that lab study viruses found in bats.  There are so many "facts" going around I can't remember if I saw that somewhere or if it was just rumor. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 14, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I may have posted this link before, but escaped from a lab is the most likely scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUo1w5aSkro
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on April 14, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
You'd think that anyone designing a bioweapon this ineffective would be fired. But escaped from a lab? I'll buy that. The initial story was all over the place. Bat, Pangolin, who knows, it just sounded sketchy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 14, 2020, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: French G. on April 14, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
You'd think that anyone designing a bioweapon this ineffective would be fired. But escaped from a lab? I'll buy that. The initial story was all over the place. Bat, Pangolin, who knows, it just sounded sketchy.

While I'm still more inclined towards "escaped", I'm also inclined towards, "it doesn't have to be highly lethal". The threat of, and resulting panic seems to be enough. What we're experiencing now is a pretty successful test run for a crappy bioweapon. You don't have to kill its population to kill a country.

I'm pretty sure the info is still accurate that this was supposedly started by a rando eating a bat... just down the street from a viral research facility studying bat viruses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 14, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: French G. on April 14, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
You'd think that anyone designing a bioweapon this ineffective would be fired. But escaped from a lab? I'll buy that. The initial story was all over the place. Bat, Pangolin, who knows, it just sounded sketchy.

It's well known and documented that many countries, including us and China, research diseases found in animals that commonly jump to humans.  Pigs and bats seem to be the worst.  Bat viruses are aggressive, because of how bats live together.  Researches go into their habitats and pull samples from feces and animals. 
I read an article earlier in this outbreak about some researcher finding at least 20 similar corona viruses that could jump to humans.  The idea that patient 0 was infected at the lab is highly plausible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on April 14, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 14, 2020, 10:57:50 AM
While I'm still more inclined towards "escaped", I'm also inclined towards, "it doesn't have to be highly lethal". The threat of, and resulting panic seems to be enough. What we're experiencing now is a pretty successful test run for a crappy bioweapon. You don't have to kill its population to kill a country.

I'm pretty sure the info is still accurate that this was supposedly started by a rando eating a bat... just down the street from a viral research facility studying bat viruses.

Putting my conspiracy hat on. This could be a fairly successful bio-weapon if your intention was not necessarily to quickly kill people, but to cripple your opponents economy and military. We have one Aircraft carrier out of service that is in the zone of China. Our economy is basically shutdown. Let's say the Chinese numbers of deaths are accurate - maybe they already had a cure/vaccine? Now in theory their economy is up and running and ours and the rest of the worlds are shut down or will be shutting down, then let's get back to that Carrier that is no longer a deterrent against China expanding in the South China Sea or let's say taking Taiwan.... A bio-weapon that just quickly killed a lot of people may also be successful of course depending on the intention, but it would likely end quickly and may be harder to hide the intent and origination. Kind of a Tactical vs. Strategic thing.

I don't really believe all that, but if it was true then it could be argued it was in fact a very successful bio-weapon.

Most likely accidental release from research or just normal animal human contact transition though is the most realistic explanation without some other data to indicate that it was anything else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on April 14, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Just looked the Virginia numbers-

  Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.  

 A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.

Shutting down the economy for this is nuts.  We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 14, 2020, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 14, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Just looked the Virginia numbers-

  Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.  

 A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.

Shutting down the economy for this is nuts.  We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.

I'm particularly angry about what they've done to the areas that are not DC, Richmond, or Tidewater.

Our ham-handed jackass of a governor is shutting down the entire state... because DC is infected.

Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?

Oh, that's right. Like in Illinois, all that matters is the major metropolitan areas. Screw the backwater hicks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
If you really wanted to get into conspiracies, what about a intentionally mild virus that was released for the purpose of encouraging more central govt control? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 14, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 14, 2020, 11:27:56 AM
Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?
To give the devil his due, the areas they leave open will likely be swarmed by residents from the areas they close.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 14, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
People love a conspiracy, I wonder how many "conspiracy theories" were proven wrong by history.

What little I know about livestock diseases, I totally believe this is a animal pathogen that jumped over to a human pathogen.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 14, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Just throwing this out there on the Bioweapon theory:

1. If it escaped unintentionally (which I think we can all agree is almost certainly the case) It might not be quite finished yet.  Let's think of this as like an 80% solution on a weapon.

2. You guys are thinking in terms of military effectiveness, which is not where bioweapons shine, and not really how PRC doctrine runs.  Something like this is more of a weapon for right before, or at the very beginning of a shooting war.  Once hostilities break out a lot of travel between belligerents is already stopped.  That is to say, no one is coming into China.  SO they smuggle several hundred carriers in through Mexico (or through north Africa into Europe) with credit cards and instructions to take a nice long 3ish week vacation traveling all over America/the EU.  Then the war starts.  Can you imagine the West trying to swing into a wartime economy, and produce a bunch of weapons to fight the PLA, as well as replace the things we need in the States that aren't made there, all while no one can go to work because a 15-20% death rate flu is ripping around?  How about the effectiveness of the extra soldiers that dropped off kids with grandma and grandpa to deploy, now that their kid's school bug killed grandma and grandpa?


Is it definitely a bioweapon?  Maybe, maybe not, but it would be a good one, especially if this is the rough draft.  Did it come from the Wuhan lab, either through accidental jump from a lab animal to a tech, or poorly disposed of lab animal remains?  I would bet a fair amount on that.

One last thought:  This is described all over as "fast mutating" so vaccines will be a long term challenge.   Even if it wasn't a weapon originally, it probably is now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2020, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: charby on April 14, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
People love a conspiracy, I wonder how many "conspiracy theories" were proven wrong by history.


Conspiracy theories are never proven wrong. They're just silenced by The Man, and of course history is written by the winners. Or the lizard people. Or the Catholic Church. Or the Jooish bankers, or...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 14, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 14, 2020, 01:16:27 PM

Conspiracy theories are never proven wrong. They're just silenced by The Man, and of course history is written by the winners. Or the lizard people. Or the Catholic Church. Or the Jooish bankers, or...

I'm glad that Biden killed the last of the Lizard People in the Spanish Civil War.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: charby on April 14, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
I'm glad that Biden killed the last of the Lizard People in the Spanish Civil War.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 14, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 14, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
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That's beyond awesome
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: charby on April 14, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
I'm glad that Biden killed the last of the Lizard People in the Spanish Civil War.

A quick look at congress makes it obvious he missed a few.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 14, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
A quick look at congress makes it obvious he missed a few.

Don't confuse space aliens from Uranus with Lizard People. Lizard People are pretty bad ass and used to use AR-14s.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 14, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Just throwing this out there on the Bioweapon theory:

1. If it escaped unintentionally (which I think we can all agree is almost certainly the case) It might not be quite finished yet.  Let's think of this as like an 80% solution on a weapon.

2. You guys are thinking in terms of military effectiveness, which is not where bioweapons shine, and not really how PRC doctrine runs.  Something like this is more of a weapon for right before, or at the very beginning of a shooting war.  Once hostilities break out a lot of travel between belligerents is already stopped.  That is to say, no one is coming into China.  SO they smuggle several hundred carriers in through Mexico (or through north Africa into Europe) with credit cards and instructions to take a nice long 3ish week vacation traveling all over America/the EU.  Then the war starts.  Can you imagine the West trying to swing into a wartime economy, and produce a bunch of weapons to fight the PLA, as well as replace the things we need in the States that aren't made there, all while no one can go to work because a 15-20% death rate flu is ripping around?  How about the effectiveness of the extra soldiers that dropped off kids with grandma and grandpa to deploy, now that their kid's school bug killed grandma and grandpa?


Is it definitely a bioweapon?  Maybe, maybe not, but it would be a good one, especially if this is the rough draft.  Did it come from the Wuhan lab, either through accidental jump from a lab animal to a tech, or poorly disposed of lab animal remains?  I would bet a fair amount on that.

One last thought:  This is described all over as "fast mutating" so vaccines will be a long term challenge.   Even if it wasn't a weapon originally, it probably is now.
Or China thought it might be targeted against them and made sure injected people traveled all over to spread it everywhere else. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: charby on April 14, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Don't confuse space aliens from Uranus with Lizard People. Lizard People are pretty bad ass and used to use AR-14s.

Gas comes out of Uranus

Clouds of Gas Coming Out of Uranus Found in Old Voyager 2 Data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtB37cnao
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 02:55:46 PM
As if we didn't have enough to worry about

Starving 'cannibal' rats are on the march during the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/science/starving-cannibal-rats-march-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 14, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: MikeB on April 14, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
I don't really believe all that, but if it was true then it could be argued it was in fact a very successful bio-weapon.

I guess I'm a little facetious when I use the term "crappy bioweapon". A successful bioweapon (amateur opinion) could be something with similar mortality and infection to the beer virus. An effectual bioweapon, depending on what the attacker wants to do, could in fact be something that everyone thinks is "a very bad flu" and no one ever learns was, in fact, a weapon.

The beer virus has cost the US in particular trillions of dollars, and to a lesser fiscal extent economically damaged most other first world countries. A reason for it not to actually be a purposely applied bioweapon is that (hopefully) we are learning things from the results that could protect us from a 100% bioweapon. Like not relying on China for the majority of our drugs and PPE needed to protect ourselves from bioweapons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 14, 2020, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
Gas comes out of Uranus

Clouds of Gas Coming Out of Uranus Found in Old Voyager 2 Data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtB37cnao

What politician isn't full of gas (hot air)? or sh*t (Uranus or Anyanus).

BTW

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2020, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 13, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-defiantly-held-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

And this is what happens, in some places, when churches try to have drive-in services.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/14/doj-takes-action-in-mississippi-drive-in-church-discrimination-case/

 :facepalm:

According to another article (https://www.dailywire.com/news/church-members-fined-500-for-attending-drive-in-church-fight-back-with-lawsuit), about another church that's party to the lawsuit, police hassled congregants at a drive-in service, even while the Sonic Drive-In down the street was full.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 14, 2020, 04:48:06 PM
Wow. LA County released 25% of their prison population.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/la-county-sheriff-fears-possible-surge-in-crime-after-releasing-4276-nonviolent-inmates-due-to-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 14, 2020, 04:48:06 PM
Wow. LA County released 25% of their prison population.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/la-county-sheriff-fears-possible-surge-in-crime-after-releasing-4276-nonviolent-inmates-due-to-coronavirus/


How many people did they let out of the nursing homes?  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
Fire up the printers!

Quote
    Whoah…. @RepTimRyan and @RoKhanna introduce bill that would pay eligible Americans over 16 $2k per month UNTIL unemployment returns to pre-COVID levels

    They say: A married couple making under $260K with 3 kids would receive $5,500 per month. pic.twitter.com/NHf5pWpmC0

    — Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) April 14, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 14, 2020, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 14, 2020, 05:05:44 PM

How many people did they let out of the nursing homes?  ;/
Well crap. The lady that I assist at times as her POA and when she needs help (she has no family within 1000 miles and they have almost nothing to do with her) is supposed to transition back to her tiny subsidized senior apartment from recovering in the nursing home. She fell and broke her hip 8 weeks ago and had surgery. I was supposed to pick her up Thursday 2 days from now.
Today I get a call from the nursing home. They have their first positive Covid and it’s an employee.
They want the lady out and home Thursday but she will have to be quarantined.
I am trying to find out if that means I’ll have to be quarantined if I transport her? I can’t afford to not work right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 14, 2020, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 14, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
Fire up the printers!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/14/dem-congressmen-introduce-bill-that-would-pay-americans-2000-a-month-until-unemployment-returns-to-pre-covid-levels/

That would collapse the country in a big rush. Stuff like this causes 1,000% to 1,000,000% inflation. Too much money chasing fewer and fewer products. No one goes to work 'cause who would need to? No work, no products. The only way anything would be available is through slave labor.

Then again, this is exactly what the socialists/communists/leftists/Democrats want for us.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 14, 2020, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 14, 2020, 07:50:19 PM
That would collapse the country in a big rush. Stuff like this causes 1,000% to 1,000,000% inflation. Too much money chasing fewer and fewer products. No one goes to work 'cause who would need to? No work, no products. The only way anything would be available is through slave labor.

Then again, this is exactly what the socialists/communists/leftists/Democrats want for us.

Woody
Not to mention that unemployment was pretty low.  It might take awhile to get to those levels. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 14, 2020, 11:27:56 AM
I'm particularly angry about what they've done to the areas that are not DC, Richmond, or Tidewater.

Our ham-handed jackass of a governor is shutting down the entire state... because DC is infected.

Here's an idea: WHY NOT SHUTDOWN ONLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM?

Oh, that's right. Like in Illinois, all that matters is the major metropolitan areas. Screw the backwater hicks.

I'm 45 minutes from DC if traffic cooperates.  30 ish from Fairfax, where one of the biggest clusters in VA is.
So if my county was "open" for business, whats to stop sick people from Fairfax from coming down here for dinner at one of our area restaurants? 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 08:12:10 AM
Quote from: tokugawa on April 14, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Just looked the Virginia numbers-

  Just like Italy, just like NYC, just like every other set of numbers , despite the anecdotal horror stories , this virus is almost exclusively killing the old and the sick, who were at great risk from any other illness.  

 A guess would be that next year we see a lot less flu deaths, as the virus will already have pulled forward that group.

Shutting down the economy for this is nuts.  We are panicking for nothing. Really scary to see so many so manipulated.

Again.  It is not about the deaths anyways.  This virus collapses hospital systems.  Good luck if your appendix bursts after your hospital is full of Covid patients. 
My small town hospital has a total of 97 beds.  There are two hospitals in my county.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
Who would have thunk criminals would do something like that?

LMPD to respond to burglar alarms again, as criminals are 'taking advantage' of pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-to-respond-to-burglar-alarms-again-as-criminals-are-taking-advantage-of-pandemic/article_3075e030-7ea7-11ea-ad34-cf6459e2e944.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 15, 2020, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 08:09:31 AM
I'm 45 minutes from DC if traffic cooperates.  30 ish from Fairfax, where one of the biggest clusters in VA is.
So if my county was "open" for business, whats to stop sick people from Fairfax from coming down here for dinner at one of our area restaurants? 

Ok, shut down restaurants.

Do we really need to shut down... checks for an example... Gents Barber Shop in Strasburg because there's an outbreak in DC?

From my understanding, we're not trying to stop the disease from spreading, because it's going to spread. We're trying to slow the spread so it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals.

If your 97 bed hospital has ZERO Wuhan Virus patients, then it's not being overwhelmed. If we go too far in the lockdown, it doesn't spread at all and then we just get the exact same problem, just later. After having killed the economy.

Now, if I'm mistaken and we think we can just kill the virus and not deal with it by locking everyone down, then I have the wrong idea.

But if I'm right, we're not using our resources properly and are just killing the economy for no good reason.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
Quote
Now, if I'm mistaken and we think we can just kill the virus and not deal with it by locking everyone down, then I have the wrong idea.

There really are only two options.
1) let it run.  This is the spanish flu result.  High mortality, but eventually it burns out because enough people get immunity, or die.  Comes with the risk of the utter collapse of our hospitals and health care.  Italy has suffered a high rate of health care workers getting very sick, with high mortality.  Almost like constant exposure to it makes it worse somehow.

I keep hearing the "but it only kills the old and really sick", which is a lie.  It kills healthy people, too.  It does, however, attack people with underlying conditions at an alarming rate.  For Americans, the top underlying conditions are in our population in very, very high numbers.  Obesity. Hypertension.  Heart disease. 

2) social isolation.  This shuts the spread down so that hospitals can keep up.  Immunity spreads but much slower.  Risk of a second wave after ending isolation.  Severe economic consequences.

Gunnison, CO is the shining example from the Spanish Flu on this.
The problem with #2 is if you wait too long, or drag into it with half assed measures, you end up with it not being as effective. 

One of the biggest issues with COVID is it's long incubation period.  To be able to test positive for up to 2 weeks without showing real symptoms is insane.

Is closing all businesses across an entire state the answer? Not likely.  Poor planning and over-centralized state government gets us there.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 15, 2020, 09:04:49 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 15, 2020, 08:36:06 AM
If we go too far in the lockdown, it doesn't spread at all and then we just get the exact same problem, just later. After having killed the economy.
If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 09:08:47 AM


Quote from: DittoHead on April 15, 2020, 09:04:49 AM
If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.

And with a "flatter curve", it is easier to trace those cases and keep up with tests.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 15, 2020, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 15, 2020, 09:04:49 AM
If nothing is happening during lockdown, then yes it's pointless.
We are supposed to be expanding hospital capacity, cranking out ventilators & PPE, and ramping up testing.
In order to reopen AND keep the virus in check we need more/faster/better testing, including for antibodies, and more capacity to trace who infected people have been in contact with.

All those require a special skill sets. Better testing kits requires the knowledge/experience and laboratory space to do so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 15, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.


If that is true, then we need to do to China what we did Cuba in 1962. Going to be painful and for the most part I say *expletive deleted*ck American business owners who decided to move operations there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: charby on April 15, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
If that is true, then we need to do to China what we did Cuba in 1962. Going to be painful and for the most part I say *expletive deleted*ck American business owners who decided to move operations there.

We would have to look at not just retaliation with China, but US preparedness as well - and not just the government. Individuals have to learn to step up with at least minimal preparedness.

Suddenly "prepping" is not what weirdos on National Geographic series do, and "victory gardens" are now in. Sadly,  I  give it a year max before people don't restock what they hoarded and throw away or give away prep stuff that is now "taking up space for no reason"*. Also those victory gardens will all wither and die.


* I was talking with a former coworker  I guess a month ago. When I was on the job, I had a fully stocked emergency response section of the office full of shelter in place gear and PPE. She told me that like a year ago, they decided all that stuff nutty prepper Ben did (most actually via guidance from DC) was stupid and they needed the space, so they chucked everything. Coulda used it now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
C19 news from Iran

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    #Iran's IRGC unveils a homegrown magnetic device that can detect every #Covid_19 case within a 100-meter radius. No blood samples required anymore for diagnosis. Great news.

    https://t.co/AjwmY6mkZE

    — Syed Zafar Mehdi (@mehdizafar) April 15, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 15, 2020, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&feature=youtu.be

Okay I'm leaning more and more towards the "escaped the Wuhan lab, CCP tried to cover it up" camp.
Huang Yan Ling....patient 0.

I heard a scenario on the radio that seemed plausible and could go along with all those options:
1.  China worked to downplay the effect of the virus, getting the WHO to go along and claim no person-to-person transmission, suppressing anyone putting out real info.  This damaged efforts of anyone else to prepare for it.  
2.  China hoarded supplies, drugs (and raw materials), test kits to use themselves.  
3.  China then sold those things to other countries for a profit once the virus hit everywhere else.  

Not sure it China made efforts to deliberately spread this virus to other countries.  Either way, they worked to profit off the whole thing.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 15, 2020, 11:44:16 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
C19 news from Iran
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/

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Made by the same people who brought you the Iranian gaydar homosexual detector.  

Makes me think the people they detect as infected will correspond closely with people they want to arrest and get rid of anyway. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 15, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
C19 news from Iran
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/15/lololol-iran-says-it-invented-a-magnetic-device-that-can-detect-coronavirus-within-a-100-meter-radius/


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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2020, 03:59:33 PM
Seems a portion of the country is rebelling regarding the extended "stay at home" orders.

I do see the point, as illustrated by one of the comments:

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http://Jesse Kelly
✔
@JesseKellyDC

I tried to warn all you people in the DC/NYC bubble that a storm was coming. Nobody listened. You sat in your apartments and didn’t miss a paycheck and told everyone to shut up and stay inside.

The "didn't miss a paycheck" point. As a former fed.slug, I wouldn't have missed a paycheck either, but I at least get the point that plumbers, electricians, farmers, etc. don't have the luxury. When you look at it from that perspective, it's very likely that the vast majority of people with the option to telework are less important to keeping the country running than the people who can neither telework, nor make money.

At some point we have to change the methodology from the lowest common denominator of "everybody" to target groups.  I can't help but think part of the reason we're not targeting susceptible groups while letting others go to work is our current cultural hypersensitivity to discrimination and micro-aggression and whatnot.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/15/michigan-gov-whitmer-says-her-cracking-down-on-travel-planting-landscaping-golfing-etc-shouldnt-matter-because-its-currently-snowing-anyway-no-seriously/

Edit: I apparently inserted the comment I was referring to in as an image instead of a comment, so it wasn't showing up. Fixed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 15, 2020, 04:05:07 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
We would have to look at not just retaliation with China, but US preparedness as well - and not just the government. Individuals have to learn to step up with at least minimal preparedness.

Suddenly "prepping" is not what weirdos on National Geographic series do, and "victory gardens" are now in. Sadly,  I  give it a year max before people don't restock what they hoarded and throw away or give away prep stuff that is now "taking up space for no reason"*. Also those victory gardens will all wither and die.


* I was talking with a former coworker  I guess a month ago. When I was on the job, I had a fully stocked emergency response section of the office full of shelter in place gear and PPE. She told me that like a year ago, they decided all that stuff nutty prepper Ben did (most actually via guidance from DC) was stupid and they needed the space, so they chucked everything. Coulda used it now.

The worst part of the Great Depression was only a few years, maybe less than 2 years. That experience stuck with a generation their whole life, may be the same when this is all over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 15, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: charby on April 15, 2020, 04:05:07 PM
The worst part of the Great Depression was only a few years, maybe less than 2 years. That experience stuck with a generation their whole life, may be the same when this is all over.

It did more than stick with a generation. The lessons were even passed to their children.

I only have one generation (in my family, at least) between me and those that lived through the great depression, and I got lessons from it, too. (Most people my age didn't, though as they were usually at least one more generation removed from it.)

Now, on the pessimist side- the lessons of 9/11 didn't seem to stick, so I'm not sure this will either. Maybe because it actually affected people rather than being something they saw on TV, it might, though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: charby on April 15, 2020, 04:05:07 PM
The worst part of the Great Depression was only a few years, maybe less than 2 years. That experience stuck with a generation their whole life, may be the same when this is all over.

That would be very good. I know that much of my "prepardeness" has come from the pre, during, and post WW2 stories and examples of my parents and relatives who were on the wrong side.

Though with being able to stay home with electronically deposited paychecks and with Netflix, I have to wonder if people weathering this will see the same value as those who literally lost everything they owned and wondered if they would eat the next day?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 15, 2020, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
That would be very good. I know that much of my "prepardeness" has come from the pre, during, and post WW2 stories and examples of my parents and relatives who were on the wrong side.

Though with being able to stay home with electronically deposited paychecks and with Netflix, I have to wonder if people weathering this will see the same value as those who literally lost everything they owned and wondered if they would eat the next day?

This ain't over with yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 15, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2020, 03:59:33 PM

At some point we have to change the methodology from the lowest common denominator of "everybody" to target groups.  I can't help but think part of the reason we're not targeting susceptible groups while letting others go to work is our current cultural hypersensitivity to discrimination and micro-aggression and whatnot.


I would also toss in that we were so wholly unprepared, that we don't have a strategy like Taiwan or South Korea that would make keeping life going a much easier process.  Lack of rapid testing, lack of contact tracing.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 15, 2020, 04:42:05 PM
File under "never let a crisis go to waste":

https://www.80percentarms.com/blog/miguel-santiago-writes-gavin-newsom/?

TL;DR:  a California state assemblyman is lobbying the governor to halt all firearm sales in the state, because of COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 15, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
Though with being able to stay home with electronically deposited paychecks and with Netflix, I have to wonder if people weathering this will see the same value as those who literally lost everything they owned and wondered if they would eat the next day?

As charby said, this ain't over yet.

Also, about the Netflix and direct deposit thing - are you talking about yourself, or about other people?

Assuming the latter, keep in mind plenty of people are missing paychecks because of this. Or they're working, but making less. Or they're working the same, or more hours, but their lives have changed in other ways.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 15, 2020, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 15, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
As charby said, this ain't over yet.

Also, about the Netflix and direct deposit thing - are you talking about yourself, or about other people?

Assuming the latter, keep in mind plenty of people are missing paychecks because of this. Or they're working, but making less. Or they're working the same, or more hours, but their lives have changed in other ways.

Such as "Is this the day some infected A**hole who doesn't take this seriously comes in and I end up going home with C19"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2020, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 15, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
As charby said, this ain't over yet.

Also, about the Netflix and direct deposit thing - are you talking about yourself, or about other people?

Assuming the latter, keep in mind plenty of people are missing paychecks because of this. Or they're working, but making less. Or they're working the same, or more hours, but their lives have changed in other ways.

See my reply 2324 regarding people not getting paychecks. I get both electronic money and Netflix, but I've been prepping since back when you got called crazy for it. I consider myself in the minority in that (e-deposits and Netflix) crowd regarding preparedness before, during, and after the pandemic. Most of the urban teleworking crowd only prepares when it's too late, and I simply have little confidence that the majority of them will learn anything long term.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Well, regarding the virus escaping a lab:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/15/source-tells-fox-news-that-origin-of-covid-19-might-be-the-costliest-government-coverup-of-all-time/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 15, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 02:20:03 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Well, regarding the virus escaping a lab:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/15/source-tells-fox-news-that-origin-of-covid-19-might-be-the-costliest-government-coverup-of-all-time/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

"Keep up with the US in virus ID and combating".  What an interesting mission for a level 4 bio lab owned and operated by a communist party.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 02:20:03 AM
"Keep up with the US in virus ID and combating".  What an interesting mission for a level 4 bio lab owned and operated by a communist party.

One of the more interesting tangents on this for me was that this was the lede, giant font headline on Fox News' main page yesterday. As soon as it popped up there, I checked CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and several other MSM websites. Not a mention of it anywhere obvious, let alone as a headline.

Regardless of accident or weapon, the fact that our own intelligence services are publicly stating this should be one of the biggest stories of the week. Instead, these mooks continue their TDS coverage of the virus. I just now popped over to CNN, and still not a mention of it anywhere. China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
Quote from: Cliffh on April 15, 2020, 10:10:39 PM
Such as "Is this the day some infected A**hole who doesn't take this seriously comes in and I end up going home with C19"?

Now now.  The stay at home orders are tyranny and we must all die for the stock market.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 16, 2020, 08:02:26 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 16, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
One of the more interesting tangents on this for me was that this was the lede, giant font headline on Fox News' main page yesterday. As soon as it popped up there, I checked CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and several other MSM websites. Not a mention of it anywhere obvious, let alone as a headline.

Regardless of accident or weapon, the fact that our own intelligence services are publicly stating this should be one of the biggest stories of the week. Instead, these mooks continue their TDS coverage of the virus. I just now popped over to CNN, and still not a mention of it anywhere. China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.

Not practically.

The Democrats have decided that there is no external enemy more dangerous than the conservatives and Trump, their current champion. (Who, rather ironically, is not conservative.)

Therefore, NOTHING that would help their enemy is to be done.

It's nothing new, political factions have often ignored true threats because they are more concerned about their own power than the continued existence of their nation. This is, in fact, how Carthage died, as an example.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 16, 2020, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 16, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.

CNN would probably say we should welcome the immigrants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 08:13:29 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 16, 2020, 08:03:32 AM
CNN would probably say we should welcome the immigrants.

And hand them driver's licenses, voter ID cards, provide them with free higher education and healthcare, and put them on the welfare rolls.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 08:16:23 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 16, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
One of the more interesting tangents on this for me was that this was the lede, giant font headline on Fox News' main page yesterday. As soon as it popped up there, I checked CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and several other MSM websites. Not a mention of it anywhere obvious, let alone as a headline.

Regardless of accident or weapon, the fact that our own intelligence services are publicly stating this should be one of the biggest stories of the week. Instead, these mooks continue their TDS coverage of the virus. I just now popped over to CNN, and still not a mention of it anywhere. China could land forces on one of our coasts today, and these idiots would find some way to ignore it as less important than TDS. Ignoring a story like this is practically enemy activity.

The office Token Democrat sent me the cnn link this morning:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

They coach it in much more "maybe" terms though.  Even that must have been painful for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 08:16:23 AM
The office Token Democrat sent me the cnn link this morning:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

They coach it in much more "maybe" terms though.  Even that must have been painful for them.

Ah - I see it on their front page now. That's an awfully small font link in between "bring sports back" and "Chris Cuomo's wife has COVID-19".

Oh, also from the article:

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The theory has been pushed by supporters of the President, including some congressional Republicans, who are eager to deflect criticisms of Trump's handling of the pandemic.

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CNN's Jim Acosta contributed to this report.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 09:10:51 AM
The numbers in the USA are now revealed to be every bit bullshit as the China numbers.

The government has encouraged being very very liberal with the coding of cause of death and with the Fed kicking in money based on number of cases institutions have, they've provided financial incentive to pad the numbers.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 16, 2020, 09:10:51 AM
The numbers in the USA are now revealed to be every bit bullshit as the China numbers.

The government has encouraged being very very liberal with the coding of cause of death and with the Fed kicking in money based on number of cases institutions have, they've provided financial incentive to pad the numbers.






Full hospitals can't be faked. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2020, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
Now now.  The stay at home orders are tyranny and we must all die for the stock market.


What we sorely need at this dark hour are laughs at the expense of people who've lost the paychecks and businesses on which their families depend. Jolly good fun, I say!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 16, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
Now now.  The stay at home orders are tyranny and we must all die for the stock market.

The stay at home orders are tyranny and we've grossly over-reacted everywhere except the most dense urban areas. (Where they have merely "over-reacted" rather than grossly so.)

That may be understandable as we are dealing with something new and will get some things wrong, but someone needs to look at the numbers and realize that our hospitals, far from being overwhelmed, are being underutilized, which is also bad.

And we don't need to die for the stock market, but we DO need to have some risk accepted so that people can actually function and work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 16, 2020, 09:15:44 AM

What we sorely need at this dark hour are laughs at the expense of people who've lost the paychecks and businesses on which their families depend. Jolly good fun, I say!

I plan to drive by the line at the food bank later and laugh, point, and wave my government ID at them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:15:34 AM

Full hospitals can't be faked.  

My statement and full hospitals aren't mutually exclusive.

The virus is dangerous/deadly and the numbers are bullshit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 16, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
The stay at home orders are tyranny and we've grossly over-reacted everywhere except the most dense urban areas. (Where they have merely "over-reacted" rather than grossly so.)

That may be understandable as we are dealing with something new and will get some things wrong, but someone needs to look at the numbers and realize that our hospitals, far from being overwhelmed, are being underutilized, which is also bad.



This is not a true statement based on the reports from people I know personally that are actually working in the hospitals. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
This is not a true statement based on the reports from people I know personally that are actually working in the hospitals.  

That's probably a very regional observation on both your parts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 16, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
This is not a true statement based on the reports from people I know personally that are actually working in the hospitals. 

"Actual in the hospital workers" are telling how it really on Facebook. It's a dumpster fire when some one talks about what they perceive is going wrong how Covid-19 being handled and then a medical workers unloads on them. I know a lot of medical workers already have gag orders (the hospital in my town has for years) so they are risking their careers by talking about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
Where are you hearing about full hospitals?  I would like to hear details if you have some.  

I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:15:34 AM

Full hospitals can't be faked. 
Considering one of the major news groups substituted Italian hospital footage in a story about US hospitals, yes, it can be faked (or at least attempted).   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 16, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:15:34 AM

Full hospitals can't be faked.  

Yes, they can.  CBS faked it twice with the same video from an Italian hospital, despite being called out on it the first time and calling it a mistake in editing.
Many hospitals across the country are laying off staff because the CV patient crunch never materialized, and all elective procedures had been cancelled.  No work for their staffs.
Tent hospitals in Seattle and other cities are being torn down after not handling a single CV patient.
We've been thoroughly scammed into destroying our economy.  The fallout from that will be far worse than what happens due to the CV.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
Where are you hearing about full hospitals?  I would like to hear details if you have some.  

I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.  

New york. New jersey.  Florida.  DC.  Wisconsin.  Detroit.  Parts of CA.  

And the whole point of isolation is to reduce the curve.  Gunnison, Co locked itself down 100% for 4 months during the Spanish Flu. They had almost no cases during that pandemic.  But I guess that means it wasn't a big deal, since it didn't hit them very hard...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 16, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
Yes, they can.  CBS faked it twice with video from Italian hospitals, despite being called out on it the first time and calling it a mistake in editing.
Many hospitals across the country are laying off staff because the CV patient crunch never materialized, and all elective procedures had been cancelled.  No work for their staffs.
Tent hospitals in Seattle and other cities are being torn down after not handling a single CV patient.
We've been thoroughly scammed into destroying our economy.  The fallout from that will be far worse than what happens due to the CV.

You can find independent report after report of it outside the MSM.  But don't let me stop ya'll from following Rush Limbaugh's medical advice. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 16, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
You can find independent report after report of it outside the MSM.  But don't let me stop ya'll from following Rush Limbaugh's medical advice. 

Sorry, I don't take my medical advice from Rush Limbaugh.  Numerous reports of hospitals across the country laying off staff are available from "independent report after report of it outside the MSM."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
Where are you hearing about full hospitals?  I would like to hear details if you have some.  

I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.  

Not all hospital rooms are set up for a extreme Covid-19 cases so with the ban on a lot of elective surgeries probably going to see empty beds even in the hard hit areas.

To the best of my knowledge we don't have any full hospitals in Iowa, now this may change since Covid-19 ripped through a Tyson pork kill plant in Columbus Junction, IA. Strategically this plant doesn't have any hospitals of any size within 30 minutes how the crow flies. There was 2 reported deaths from the plant yesterday, I am not sure about today.

https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Tyson-Foods-says-2-dead-from-COVID-19-outbreak-at-Columbus-Junction-plant-569680951.html

I think the more rural states are going to be screwed in the coming weeks. Especially amongst the lower paying essential jobs since those folks tend to live in shared quarters in higher concentrations.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 16, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Sorry, I don't take my medical advice from Rush Limbaugh.  Numerous reports of hospitals across the country laying off staff are available from "independent report after report of it outside the MSM."

Elective procedures are the bread and butter for hospitals, they help make payroll and pay for other things. Elective procedures require a bit of staff to make happen. A hospital isn't going to pay someone to sit on their ass and take up oxygen. Medicine isn't universal like some careers, everyone is highly specialized and can't jump from discipline to discipline. A family practice nurse isn't going to be sent to the ER or urgent care and expected to perform even close to the level of an experienced ER nurse. etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: charby on April 16, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Not all hospital rooms are set up for a extreme Covid-19 cases so with the ban on a lot of elective surgeries probably going to see empty beds even in the hard hit areas.

To the best of my knowledge we don't have any full hospitals in Iowa, now this may change since Covid-19 ripped through a Tyson pork kill plant in Columbus Junction, IA. Strategically this plant doesn't have any hospitals of any size within 30 minutes how the crow flies. There was 2 reported deaths from the plant yesterday, I am not sure about today.

https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Tyson-Foods-says-2-dead-from-COVID-19-outbreak-at-Columbus-Junction-plant-569680951.html

I think the more rural states are going to be screwed in the coming weeks. Especially amongst the lower paying essential jobs since those folks tend to live in shared quarters in higher concentrations.




Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it.  Let's see how many people we can kill off.  Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%.  1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:48:23 AM
The virus is already in the more rural countries within driving distance of Houston though in small numbers.  Not a lot of migrant labor in the places I know about.  The problem with predicting disaster is those areas are more spread out to start with.  

My county is adjacent to Harris County/Houston.  Still only about 153 cases and 3 deaths.  The deaths were all in Pearland I believe.  The number of cases has increased in the last couple weeks, but not by a lot.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:46:53 AM

Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it.  Let's see how many people we can kill off.  Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%.  1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.

Seriously, if the virus is hitting hard in a state, don't open back up.  I think most places could open back up with some precautions basic social distancing practices.  If people are still keeping distance from others and using masks/gloves if needed, I think opening back up will work well.

I don't think it will be the end of the world or anything. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:46:53 AM

Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it.  Let's see how many people we can kill off.  Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%.  1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.


I'm patiently waiting for widespread testing to take place before I bitch too much about the lock down. Easy for me as I've incurred no loss as of yet.

What we need is better information, instead they're coding all deaths with comorbidities as China virus deaths.  

Finding actual true information is like wading through a sewage treatment pond to get to a flower.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 16, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 10:46:53 AM

Part of me, seeing this "open it back up" movement feels like *expletive deleted*ck it.  Let's see how many people we can kill off.  Let's see how bad this can get.
I mean, the Spanish Flu only had a 2.5% mortality rate, and the likely adjusted mortality rate for this is only about 1%.  1/100 people is no biggie if I can go to the movies.


Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait....

I thought this was about "flattening the curve" so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. Now it's about making sure no one gets the disease?

I thought the plan was that people were going to get the disease, but we want to slow the spread so that too many don't get it at once?

Is it about making sure that most people don't get the disease now? Because that wasn't what was explained to me.

I'll provide anecdata here. My town has two hospitals. There are 150 ICU beds in the larger of the two. (I'll say 50 at the other, but it's probably 100).

The news announced last week that we have 153 active cases in our area... plus 4-5 LARGE surrounding areas. (Which have additional hospitals and ICU beds.) That's total cases in an area with probably a dozen hospitals of varying size.

We have more ICU beds than CASES in this area. And the numbers are trending down now.

IF we think that the virus is gone after the shutdown, I can understand continuing the lockdown. That makes sense.

IF we think the virus will just spread again after we open things up, we need to open things up now to try to actually use the resources we have.

What is going to be better in 2 months while the virus stops spreading if it's going to just spread exponentially again?

I've been operating on the understanding that we don't think we can eradicate the virus by quarantining everyone. I got that from all the talk about "flattening the curve" rather than eradicating the disease.

Have I misunderstood the plan?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on April 16, 2020, 11:22:29 AM
I also know people in podunk hospital who are losing hours because non-essential things being cancelled, and not enough COVID cases to make up the difference.

Just another failure of trying to centrally plan something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 16, 2020, 11:25:04 AM
Oh, and if we can open up the rest of the country, I'm fine with walling off DC, NY, Chicago, Detroit, LA, SF, Seattle and making them "no-go zones".

Those inside them are allowed to come out... to a quarantine for a month until they've shown they aren't infected.

Break quarantine? Back to the no-go zone for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 16, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait....

I thought this was about "flattening the curve" so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. Now it's about making sure no one gets the disease?

I thought the plan was that people were going to get the disease, but we want to slow the spread so that too many don't get it at once?

Is it about making sure that most people don't get the disease now? Because that wasn't what was explained to me.

I'll provide anecdata here. My town has two hospitals. There are 150 ICU beds in the larger of the two. (I'll say 50 at the other, but it's probably 100).

The news announced last week that we have 153 active cases in our area... plus 4-5 LARGE surrounding areas. (Which have additional hospitals and ICU beds.) That's total cases in an area with probably a dozen hospitals of varying size.

We have more ICU beds than CASES in this area. And the numbers are trending down now.

IF we think that the virus is gone after the shutdown, I can understand continuing the lockdown. That makes sense.

IF we think the virus will just spread again after we open things up, we need to open things up now to try to actually use the resources we have.

What is going to be better in 2 months while the virus stops spreading if it's going to just spread exponentially again?

I've been operating on the understanding that we don't think we can eradicate the virus by quarantining everyone. I got that from all the talk about "flattening the curve" rather than eradicating the disease.

Have I misunderstood the plan?

I keep hearing Iowa and MN governors taking about flatting the curve in their daily press reports. I get local TV stations that cover both states.

Also my local hospital that serves a regional area only has 47 ICU beds and 41 ventilators available as of Tuesday's press conference. Interesting my neurologist that prescribed my CPAP machine told me that CPAP machines are more valuable for Covid-19 cases then ventilators.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on April 16, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
The hospitals here in KC are hurting.  Children's Mercy is looking at doing furloughs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 16, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Sorry, I don't take my medical advice from Rush Limbaugh.  Numerous reports of hospitals across the country laying off staff are available from "independent report after report of it outside the MSM."

The question is, what staff are they laying off?

For example, the VA hospital where I go for most of my health care is basically not seeing patients except for emergencies. The routine health clinics are shut down and rescheduling non-essential appointments to July and later. Doctors and nurses can be repurposed to care for COVID-19 patients, but what do you do with personnel such as physical therapists? That's hands-on treatment by people who aren't trained to do things like give shots, monitor the vital signs machines, etc. Same with the chiropractors, dentists, eye doctors, and a bunch of other specialists. So if they don't have patients coming to the hospital and their work doesn't lend itself to teleconferencing ... whaddaya do with them? I received a call just this morning, rescheduling a dental appointment from May 27 to July 22.

I don't know about the other hospitals in the area vis-a-vis layoffs, but I know the Governor has issued a plea for retired doctors and nurses to report for duty, and he has issued an emergency order allowing doctors and nurses who are licensed in other states to work here without a license from our state. Theywouldn't do that unless they were short of manpower in critical care areas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 16, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
Germany is going to try reopening.
Quote from: https://www.ft.com/content/6751dafc-117a-47d2-ada3-44223254f2d2
Germany will reopen many of its shops next Monday and some of its schools from May 4, as it joins other European countries in relaxing the draconian shutdown measures adopted last month to slow down the coronavirus pandemic.
Germany has managed to contain coronavirus more effectively than other European countries, partly thanks to a comprehensive testing regime that allowed authorities to identify and isolate those infected with the virus at an early stage. It has the capacity to run 650,000 tests a week.
 
We're currently at about 1 million tests per week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
Who would have thunk criminals would do something like that?

LMPD to respond to burglar alarms again, as criminals are 'taking advantage' of pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-to-respond-to-burglar-alarms-again-as-criminals-are-taking-advantage-of-pandemic/article_3075e030-7ea7-11ea-ad34-cf6459e2e944.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
I haven't completely kept up with what is going on statewide in Idaho, other than I read a couple of weeks ago that Sun Valley medical services were being overwhelmed because of the high per capita cases due to the virus being brought in from elsewhere. I guess they were getting medical staff from the Twin Falls area to supplement. Otherwise I haven't heard of other rural areas being overrun. I know, only from word of mouth at the grocery store, that our one local case was a worker at the gas station, which sits on a busy (for here) highway that is an artery to surrounding states and gets a lot of semi traffic.

I don't know what's happening in Boise, other than I haven't heard anything about ICU beds being overrun. But in my view, I have never seen another city of Boise's size with as many freakin' newish looking hospitals and medical centers as they have (Boise metro, which would run through to Nampa).

An interesting thing here that I read this morning is that the demographic group with the most reported cases is the 18-29 year old group.

https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/idaho-wednesday-coronavirus-numbers-updated-april-15
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 16, 2020, 11:07:09 AM

I'll provide anecdata here. My town has two hospitals. There are 150 ICU beds in the larger of the two. (I'll say 50 at the other, but it's probably 100).

The news announced last week that we have 153 active cases in our area... plus 4-5 LARGE surrounding areas. (Which have additional hospitals and ICU beds.) That's total cases in an area with probably a dozen hospitals of varying size.

We have more ICU beds than CASES in this area. And the numbers are trending down now.


It's not as simple as number of ICU beds. Done properly, beds for infectious patients (such as COVID-19_ need to be in negative pressure rooms. The means the HVAC system exhausts more air from the room than it supplies, so any time the door is opened air comes into the room from the corridor rather than pushing the bugs out into the corridor.

ICU rooms for patients with compromised immune systems are just the opposite. For those patients, the goal is to keep the room as sterile as possible, so positive pressure is the name of the game. That means when the door is opened air goes out of the room rather than allowing bugs in the ambient air to enter the room.

I don't think it's all that easy (maybe not even possible) to just switch a positive pressure room to negative pressure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 16, 2020, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
Who would have thunk criminals would do something like that?

LMPD to respond to burglar alarms again, as criminals are 'taking advantage' of pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-to-respond-to-burglar-alarms-again-as-criminals-are-taking-advantage-of-pandemic/article_3075e030-7ea7-11ea-ad34-cf6459e2e944.html

I was wondering the other day if the self-isolation/quarantine/social distancing efforts would cause crime to go down on average, it seems to me that it would.  I haven't looked into it yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: charby on April 16, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
Interesting my neurologist that prescribed my CPAP machine told me that CPAP machines are more valuable for Covid-19 cases then ventilators.

I wondered about that. I asked somebody a couple of weeks back if CPAP machines could be used to help COVID-19 patients, and I never got an answer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 11:47:41 AM
I wondered about that. I asked somebody a couple of weeks back if CPAP machines could be used to help COVID-19 patients, and I never got an answer.

Made sense to me, since it not an invasive way to push air into the lungs vs a intubation tube with a ventilator.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
Where are you hearing about full hospitals?  I would like to hear details if you have some.  

I realize a few states are being hit hard by this, but most are not.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6TYQBKq0B8

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/i-have-never-seen-anything-like-it-says-new-york-city-doctor-about-covid-19#Steep-rise-in-cases

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-doctor-death-new-york-covid-19-cornelia-griggs-a9436436.html

https://www.kcra.com/article/inside-a-new-york-hospital-that-is-overwhelmed-with-covid-19-patients-and-deaths/31974787#
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 16, 2020, 12:04:25 PM
If you think lockdowns are unconstitutional, you are "far right" according to the AP:

https://apnews.com/61d9bbe247e03a90b8071d3529d35e31

Quote
”Quarantine is only supposed to be for sick people not mandatory for healthy law abiding people,” Shea wrote on Facebook. “Otherwise constitutionally and legally that starts creeping into martial law territory.”
....
“If I choose to peacefully assemble, go to Church, go to a gun shop, take my family fishing, open my business, enjoy the outdoors, or exercise any of my constitutional rights, I should not be restricted from doing so by a would-be dictator,” Culp told supporters during a recent conference call.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 16, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
An interesting thing here that I read this morning is that the demographic group with the most reported cases is the 18-29 year old group.

https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/idaho-wednesday-coronavirus-numbers-updated-april-15

They were all probably at Spring break in Florida ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 16, 2020, 09:15:34 AM

Full hospitals can't be faked. 

There aren't nearly as many "full hospitals"  as were predicted.  Some of the improvised ones have few if any patients and some assembled by the Army Corps of Engineers are being dismantled .  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM
There aren't nearly as many "full hospitals"  as were predicted.  Some of the improvised ones have few if any patients and some assembled by the Army Corps of Engineers are being dismantled .  

"They" will claim that is because we flattened the curve.

The problem is that all the models used already had social distancing and lock downs built into the models.

The data is all suspect and sucks.

Garbage in garbage out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 16, 2020, 12:11:03 PM
^^^^^

True, that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2020, 12:11:12 PM
Obviously, if people are treating Covid like it's no big deal, it's bad form to hope they get the disease and their loved ones die from it.

Is it any more acceptable, if someone laughs off the ruined economy, to hope they and their children spend the rest of their lives in miserable poverty?

I'm not planning to desire either of those outcomes for anyone. I'm just wondering if we're going to be consistent.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
Along the same lines as my previous post.

Unfortunately going forward or looking back for that matter, if you want to be honest, you must accept "reported deaths" is not analogous with "actual deaths".

Same thing with reported cases. Reported cases don't necessarily mean tested positive for the virus or antibodies. It also means the doctor looked at the symptoms and made a judgement call, in many cases misdiagnosing many positive/negative.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2020, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
They were all probably at Spring break in Florida ...

I should have clarified that the affected demographic was of Idaho residents, not a US demographic. I don't know what the US demographics are. They may have gone to Spring break, but from my experience, most students West of the Rockies like to head to Mexico or Texas or California for break.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
Another Tyson pork kill plant has a potential outbreak in Waterloo, IA. IA governor just announced that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/16/the-lockdown-is-loosening-whether-government-likes-it-or-not/

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New York City has been on lockdown for about a month. Up until this past week the effect has been stark and nearly universal. Most mornings, weather permitting, I sit in my small Brooklyn backyard as the day begins. For weeks the loudest sound has been the silence, quiet streets forming a backdrop for distant sirens and harbor boat horns. That is changing, the white noise of car traffic, like an ocean lapping on a beach has returned.

On my “essential walks” which I take daily to the grocery or the bodega, I traverse an overpass above the Brooklyn Queens Expressway. For the past month traffic has been spare, an emergency vehicle here and there, not much more. That too has changed. While it has not returned to the soul crushing bumper-to-bumper standstill that makes the BQE infamous, the number of cars coursing to and from Staten Island has built up everyday.

A good and short read.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 16, 2020, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: charby on April 16, 2020, 12:52:22 PM
Another Tyson pork kill plant has a potential outbreak in Waterloo, IA. IA governor just announced that.

JBS meatpacking plant in Colorado has seen four employees die from COVID-19 and over 100 sick:

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/family-buries-worker-on-same-day-jbs-shuts-down-plant/73-88499882-139f-4dc0-90e0-7babb0f00263



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2020, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 16, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/16/the-lockdown-is-loosening-whether-government-likes-it-or-not/

A good and short read.

Interesting perspective.

Though as an immediate tangent I note:

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On my “essential walks” which I take daily to the grocery or the bodega,

Which kinda goes to an earlier point I made that maybe urbanites won't learn their lesson on preparedness. Daily walks to the bodega, whether essential or not, mean that somebody isn't keeping more than a day's worth of food in their place during a lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 16, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
"They" will claim that is because we flattened the curve.

The problem is that all the models used already had social distancing and lock downs built into the models.

The data is all suspect and sucks.

Garbage in garbage out.

Our Governor puts out an update every evening. In it he cites numbers for new cases, total cases, number who have been hospitalized*, and total deaths. A week ago he displayed a graph depicting when our "experts" predict the number of hospitalizations will peak for each county in the state.

But it's all BS. If you look at the Johns Hopkins tracking map (probably the most comprehensive database available, but nonetheless entirely dependent on what each state/country reports), there are NO recoveries anywhere in the United States. In order to have data supporting a bell curve graph with a ramp up, a peak, and then a decline, you have to be graphing active cases. Active is going to be the cumulative total of new cases, minus deaths and minus recoveries. If you have no data on recoveries ... you have no bell curve.

*Then I discovered, by accident, that the number the governor is reporting for hospitalizations is not the total number who have been hospitalized, it's the number currently hospitalized as of the day of the report. That's actually useful if you know how many COVID-19 beds are available across the state, and I guess the governor knows that -- but he hasn't told us. I have complained to my state legislators about the fact that we have no data on recoveries and therefore we have no idea what the active case curve looks like. A week ago I was told that the governor was going to start reporting the number of recoveries as of [last] Wednesday. It didn't happen on Wednesday, and it hasn't happened yet.

All of which tells me that the state government is tossing out numbers to make it appear they have a handle on this when, in fact, we're not doing testing to verify recoveries, so we have no data on recoveries ... which means we have no idea how many active cases we actually have.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 16, 2020, 03:27:07 PM
Driving across Oklahoma yesterday, I went to a gas station men's room the same time as a state trooper; he got there just before I did.  I noticed how long and how well he washed his hands after he peed.  But then he grabbed the nasty door handle on the way out  :facepalm:  I *almost* stopped him and pointed it out for future reference; let him know I'm just trying to keep him safe.  (dry your hands, use the paper towel to open the door, hold the door with your foot as you throw away the towel, etc)  But I wasn't sure how good an idea it was to tell a cop he made a small but possibly costly mistake so I kept my mouth shut.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 16, 2020, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 16, 2020, 03:27:07 PM
Driving across Oklahoma yesterday, I went to a gas station men's room the same time as a state trooper; he got there just before I did.  I noticed how long and how well he washed his hands after he peed.  But then he grabbed the nasty door handle on the way out  :facepalm:  I *almost* stopped him and pointed it out for future reference; let him know I'm just trying to keep him safe.  (dry your hands, use the paper towel to open the door, hold the door with your foot as you throw away the towel, etc)  But I wasn't sure how good an idea it was to tell a cop he made a small but possibly costly mistake so I kept my mouth shut.

What I teach new Nurslings is to turn on warm water, wet hands, soap up, wash completely for a minimum of 20 seconds, (leave water running) grab some paper towels, dry hands, turn off water with paper towels, open door using paper towels, throw paper towels away once no chance of touching door or parts.


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
You could dress like a democrat

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/04/02/Interactivity/Images/Merlin_132082.jpg?uuid=WEA3aNlTEeS6KPKmhdx_iQ)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2020, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 16, 2020, 02:40:31 PM
Interesting perspective.

Though as an immediate tangent I note:

Which kinda goes to an earlier point I made that maybe urbanites won't learn their lesson on preparedness. Daily walks to the bodega, whether essential or not, mean that somebody isn't keeping more than a day's worth of food in their place during a lockdown.


The author (David Marcus) smokes, so he's probably just chain-smoking through his supply every day, and then going back for more.

OK, I thought it was funny. YMMV
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
Coronavirus hates this: the one weird trick that works against coronavirus.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 16, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 16, 2020, 04:13:02 PM
What I teach new Nurslings is to turn on warm water, wet hands, soap up, wash completely for a minimum of 20 seconds, (leave water running) grab some paper towels, dry hands, turn off water with paper towels, open door using paper towels, throw paper towels away once no chance of touching door or parts.

bob

That's better than what I did; I used my elbow to turn off the water.  I'll do better next time :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 16, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/15/coronavirus-police-maryland-town-urge-residents-wear-pants/5140750002/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 06:35:19 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 16, 2020, 06:44:47 PM
https://www.brazoriacountytx.gov/departments/health-department/brazoria-county-coronavirus-map?fbclid=IwAR2L8g8mPTjDO-qm0iDFo_Mlj4mQcGflMIRS7esEhtFDFfi7hwAiHZCzXEo
My local county keeps a running update on their website.  Been hovering around the 150 cases range the last few weeks.  No new deaths in a couple weeks.  Most of the cases are up near Houston.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 07:16:48 PM
Love the meme they use for this story on their home page  :rofl:

(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/welcometotheparty.jpg)

Breaking? CNN reports that the Chinese government hid critical coronavirus information from the world
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/16/breaking-cnn-reports-that-the-chinese-government-hid-critical-coronavirus-information-from-the-world/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 16, 2020, 07:26:04 PM
Hippa doesnt let them say who has recovered they need to go to the media to say they have recovered. yes it is going to be hard to keep trac of numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
News stories that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling

Shootings in Louisville up by more than 150 percent during coronavirus outbreak
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/16/shootings-louisville-up-by-more-than-percent-during-coronavirus-outbreak/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 16, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 16, 2020, 07:26:04 PM
Hippa doesnt let them say who has recovered they need to go to the media to say they have recovered. yes it is going to be hard to keep trac of numbers.

HIPPA isn't stopping the reporting the raw number of infections or hospitalizations. It damn well doesn't stop the reporting of the raw numbers of recovered. No one is asking for names, just numbers of people that have recovered.
We're being played.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 16, 2020, 09:54:57 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 16, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
HIPPA isn't stopping the reporting the raw number of infections or hospitalizations. It damn well doesn't stop the reporting of the raw numbers of recovered. No one is asking for names, just numbers of people that have recovered.
We're being played.


Iowa reports the recovered total everyday, either buy the governor and/or on a website.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 16, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
HIPPA isn't stopping the reporting the raw number of infections or hospitalizations. It damn well doesn't stop the reporting of the raw numbers of recovered. No one is asking for names, just numbers of people that have recovered.
We're being played.


^^^ Exactly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: charby on April 16, 2020, 09:54:57 PM
Iowa reports the recovered total everyday, either buy the governor and/or on a website.

That's not showing up on the Johns Hopkins map.

In fact, since I last looked at the map a couple of days ago they have removed the data point for "Recovered" entirely. They have also removed that data point for other countries, including those that I know have been reporting recoveries. If I were a conspiracy theorist (but what would a conspiracy theorist be doing on this forum?), I might think that the data point was removed so that people wouldn't notice that the United States, out of just about all the countires in the world, is about the only one that has no data on number of recoveries.

I think the (or, at least, "a major") reason for that is that the protocol for verifying recovery is two negative nasal swab tests taken at least 24 hours apart. We don't have enough test kits yet to test all those who need testing to determine whether or not they have COVID-19, so we certainly don't have enough testing capacity to test patients twice to see if they have recovered.

Which means our data are useless. (But we already knew that.)

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 16, 2020, 11:09:02 PM
Here in WI, at least one (almost month old) report says to be counted as recovered, the person
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needs to be at least seven days from the start of symptoms and that a patient would need to be symptom free for at least 72 hours.

https://www.weau.com/content/news/The-criteria-a-COVID-19-patient-needs-to-meet-to-constitute-as-recovered-569142801.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 16, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
It's all hippa around her. Do we have any CPC's on here to understand what I am saying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 17, 2020, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 12, 2020, 08:33:36 AM
I saw a video of some pastor in Mississippi I think, filming a gaggle of cop cars showing up to block people from his drive-in service. He mentioned the common question of why it was okay to go to Walmart with 100 other people, but people sitting in the car was not and mentioned his constitutional rights. One of the cops said, "Your rights are temporarily suspended."

With Ramadan about to start, I wonder if they're going to try that with mosques.

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1250764228958588929
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 01:46:28 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 16, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
That's not showing up on the Johns Hopkins map.

In fact, since I last looked at the map a couple of days ago they have removed the data point for "Recovered" entirely. They have also removed that data point for other countries, including those that I know have been reporting recoveries. If I were a conspiracy theorist (but what would a conspiracy theorist be doing on this forum?), I might think that the data point was removed so that people wouldn't notice that the United States, out of just about all the countires in the world, is about the only one that has no data on number of recoveries.

I think the (or, at least, "a major") reason for that is that the protocol for verifying recovery is two negative nasal swab tests taken at least 24 hours apart. We don't have enough test kits yet to test all those who need testing to determine whether or not they have COVID-19, so we certainly don't have enough testing capacity to test patients twice to see if they have recovered.

Which means our data are useless. (But we already knew that.)

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

That data is on the Johns Hopkins map.
There's a tab at the bottom of the frame showing deaths that reads "recovered".  Clicking that tab will switch that frame to the recovered number.  US is reporting 56,236 recovered as of 0842C on the 17th.

Additionally, if you click the main map frame over to "active cases" instead of "cumulative confirmed cases" and click on any country you will get a pop up with that countries numbers for confirmed cases, deaths, recoveries, and active cases.  Color coded even.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 02:05:10 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 16, 2020, 11:09:02 PM
Here in WI, at least one (almost month old) report says to be counted as recovered, the person
https://www.weau.com/content/news/The-criteria-a-COVID-19-patient-needs-to-meet-to-constitute-as-recovered-569142801.html


That doesn't match up with the CDC recommendations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ending-isolation.html

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Possible Strategy to Discontinue Home Isolation For Immunocompromised Persons with COVID-19 When A Test-Based Strategy is Feasible and Desired:

Maintain home isolation until:

  • Resolution of fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
  • Improvement in respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath) and
  • Negative results of an FDA Emergency Use Authorized molecular assay for COVID-19 from at least two consecutive nasopharyngeal swab specimens collected ≥24 hours apart (total of two negative specimens)[1]. See Interim Guidelines for Collecting, Handling, and Testing Clinical Specimens for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 02:12:09 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 01:46:28 AM
That data is on the Johns Hopkins map.
There's a tab at the bottom of the frame showing deaths that reads "recovered".  Clicking that tab will switch that frame to the recovered number.  US is reporting 56,236 recovered as of 0842C on the 17th.
That's on the page, but not on the map. The map is broken down (in the U.S.) by county, and when the data for recoveries in each county were last shown, they ALL read "0" (zero).

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Additionally, if you click the main map frame over to "active cases" instead of "cumulative confirmed cases" and click on any country you will get a pop up with that countries numbers for confirmed cases, deaths, recoveries, and active cases.  Color coded even.
The toggle to switch from total/cumulative cases to active cases has disappeared from the map since I last looked at it, two or three days ago. And now, when you click the dot for any county (or country), the data block that opens up no longer has an entry for "Recovered."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 02:37:29 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 02:12:09 AM
The toggle to switch from total/cumulative cases to active cases has disappeared from the map since I last looked at it, two or three days ago. And now, when you click the dot for any county (or country), the data block that opens up no longer has an entry for "Recovered."

No it hasn't.  Check the screenshot I posted from this morning.


For some reason they only seem to be tracking the "active" cases (which is where recovered data is) by country, but that is true worldwide, not just in the US. For example you can get China's recovered numbers (for what that's worth) but not Hunan's alone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 04:19:41 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 02:37:29 AM
No it hasn't.  Check the screenshot I posted from this morning.


That option to switch between cumulative and active cases has gone AWOL. If you grabbed that screen shot on Thursday morning, then it disappeared on Thursday.

I just grabbed this screen shot to show what I'm blathering about:

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 04:26:06 AM
It's attached to post 2412

My browser is giving me a slightly different look then yours.  

Click that arrow to the right of "cumulative confirmed cases" and I suspect it will cycle through the tabs that are in that frame.


ETA:  Yeah, It's an artifact of Firefox.  Chrome, IE, and Edge all show it as I think it's designed with Tabs.  I don't have Waterfox on this laptop to check it.  In Firefox, those left/right arrows will cycle through the tabs that you can't see.  Each frame has a couple options on it.  For example, where yours says "admin0" under the cases by country, you can cycle to "admin1" which is cases by state/province, or "admin2" which is cases by US county.  For some reason on your screnshot the tabs exist under the "total deaths" frame, and you can but none of the rest.  Weird.  Firefox seems to have more then it's share of weird little glitches in web pages


ETA Again:  Oooooh.  It's a screensize thing.  If firefox thinks the tabs will be too small it renders it as the banner with arrows.  I'm running 1920x1080 and if Firefox is a window it shows what you have.  If I go full screen I see what's attached to this post. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
https://www.worldtribune.com/taiwan-produces-evidence-it-warned-who-of-coronavirus-in-december/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2020, 08:42:13 AM
Two things heard on the news this morning:

1) China has revised Wuhan infection numbers up by 50%.

2) Somehow I missed this before, but Peking has reported zero infections. Okay then.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 17, 2020, 08:42:13 AM
Two things heard on the news this morning:

1) China has revised Wuhan infection numbers up by 50%.

2) Somehow I missed this before, but Peking has reported zero infections. Okay then.

They're also pushing out media into other parts of the world blaming the US for the virus.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 17, 2020, 04:26:06 AM

ETA Again:  Oooooh.  It's a screensize thing.  If firefox thinks the tabs will be too small it renders it as the banner with arrows.  I'm running 1920x1080 and if Firefox is a window it shows what you have.  If I go full screen I see what's attached to this post. 


Ah, so. I'm running Waterfox, which is a fork of Firefox. And I run it in a window, not in full screen. If I widen the screen just a bit, the tabs appear again. I don't think I changed the size of the window, but I may have nudged it a bit.

But ... I have red-green weak colour vision, so for me the small dots on the "Confirmed" map are difficult to impossible to see. The dots on the "Active" map are ("were") much more visible for me. When I just switched to the "Active" map a couple of minutes ago ... it no longer breaks down to the county level or even the state level for the U.S. -- it just has one big dot for the entire United States. That is definitely a change -- previously, there was a dot for each county on the "Active" map, just like on the "Cumulative" map..
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 17, 2020, 10:21:24 AM
https://covid19info.live/us/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 17, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 08:49:56 AM
They're also pushing out media into other parts of the world blaming the US for the virus.



Something the MSM is more than happy to join in on if it has the slightest chance of making Orange Man bad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
Another news snippet I just heard:

Only one in five restaurants will survive the shutdown. I didn't catch what group did the study, but I wouldn't be surprised. I think restaurants already have a fairly large failure rate in the best of times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
More (as if we needed it) on why the numbers we have don't mean anything:

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/17/why-epidemiologists-still-dont-know-the-death-rate-for-covid-19/

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“To know the fatality rate you need to know how many people are infected and how many people died from the disease,” said Ali H. Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. “We know how many people are dying, but we don’t know how many people are infected.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: cordex on April 17, 2020, 10:21:24 AM
https://covid19info.live/us/

Who puts out this map, and what's the source of their data? Everything I have read to date says the Johns Hopkins map is THE definitive compilation of the available data. This is an interesting map (and it indicates some extremely wide fluctuations in recovery percentages from state to state), but even on this one several states still show zero recoveries.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 17, 2020, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 17, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
Another news snippet I just heard:

Only one in five restaurants will survive the shutdown. I didn't catch what group did the study, but I wouldn't be surprised. I think restaurants already have a fairly large failure rate in the best of times.

Sounds right.  Running a restaurant is difficult and the operating margins are small.  Combine that with a big drop in customers and I can see a very high failure rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 17, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Who puts out this map, and what's the source of their data? Everything I have read to date says the Johns Hopkins map is THE definitive compilation of the available data. This is an interesting map (and it indicates some extremely wide fluctuations in recovery percentages from state to state), but even on this one several states still show zero recoveries.
They compile data from WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, JHU CSSE, DXY & QQ (as you could have easily seen from clicking on "About").
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 17, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 17, 2020, 10:45:17 AM
Sounds right.  Running a restaurant is difficult and the operating margins are small.  Combine that with a big drop in customers and I can see a very high failure rate.

My wife just told me that one of the BIG, nationwide-known* dance studios in DC is shutting down. (*Known nationwide for bellydance. It's not like anyone outside of that world would have ever heard of it.)

Fitness/yoga/dance places are getting hit hard, too.

It's not even the operating margins. Most businesses can't survive without customers for a month. It's hard to prepare for "your business will be completely closed, and bring in no income, but you'll still be on the hook for your costs" for a month.

Generally, the bigger the business, the bigger the costs. There's no business that is running such a profit that they can just eat two months of costs.

Even healthy businesses will be killed by this.

My wife's business will survive fine- because it's a home studio and she mostly does private lessons. She has (effectively) zero costs. But it still sucks. If she had rent to pay? She'd have been out of business after 3 months, TOPS. And then she'd also be effectively working for free to recoup those costs, for probably at least 3 months. (Likely longer.)

Can you go 6 months without a paycheck?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2020, 12:09:25 PM
Podunk grocery run again this morning. Everything is still pretty much fully stocked except TP and paper products (really people?!?). All the limit signs are down except for "two dairy products" and "one paper product". The latter means only one of any paper product. A friend tried to buy one package of TP and one roll of paper towels and had to choose one or the other. They appear to have stopped their "old fogies only" hours as well.

I still haven't tried Costco. I was told by someone that did that the lines are still ridiculously long, partially because of the limiting of shoppers in the store, so now there are long lines outside.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 17, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
I did a grocery run yesterday.  No TP.  No sanitizing cleaners (with the exception of toilet cleaners).  No bleach.  Very little paper towels.  I got the last can of baking powder and the last container of yeast (they were pushed way back on the top shelf).  Very little flour.  Only small packages of rice.  Meat is in stock again.  Frozen section and bread is nearly fully stocked.  Milk products are well stocked but butter is a little light.  Eggs at about 50%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 17, 2020, 10:45:17 AM
Sounds right.  Running a restaurant is difficult and the operating margins are small.  Combine that with a big drop in customers and I can see a very high failure rate.

A very wealthy mentor of ours said one of the things he would never invest in is restaurants.  Even in the best of times they're very hard to run profitably. 



Today's walmart report:
No butter.  Like cleaned out, down to sweet cream sticks, a few fake butter products, and some very expensive organic stuff. 
Cereal was somewhat stocked.  Didn't check for TP, we've still got easily 2 months worth in the house.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2020, 01:01:19 PM
So America eats out a lot more than I thought.

Assuming part of this is the shift from school lunches to eating at home, do stores stock more in the summertime?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 17, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
A rare moment of clarity from Bill Maher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

(some NSFW language)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: cordex on April 17, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
They compile data from WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, JHU CSSE, DXY & QQ (as you could have easily seen from clicking on "About").


"They"? You mean "Shortbread" is a they?

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This site is designed, developed and funded by myself (Shortbread).

I think I'll keep watching the Johns Hopkins site, thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 01:23:49 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 17, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
A rare moment of clarity from Bill Maher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

(some NSFW language)


I saw that a few days ago. For once, I agree with him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 17, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 17, 2020, 12:09:25 PM
Podunk grocery run again this morning. Everything is still pretty much fully stocked except TP and paper products (really people?!?).

I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)

People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).

The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.

So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 17, 2020, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
I think I'll keep watching the Johns Hopkins site, thanks.
Use what you please.  I've found the numbers to be pretty consistent with other sources and the visualizations are way better than the Johns Hopkins map.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 17, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
I took the wife to Walmart yesterday for a quick in and out for one thing for her. You could sure tell the Eagle has shat recently, there were tons of people in there stocking up on essentials like potato chips and candy bars and thoroughly trashing the shelves so even if they had what you were looking for it was hard to find. I hate going to Walmart with a passion, besides being a crappy store it is loaded with sacks of flesh loaded with god knows what pathogens.  =|


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on April 17, 2020, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 17, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
A rare moment of clarity from Bill Maher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

(some NSFW language)


Thank you for that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 17, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)

People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).

The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.

So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.  

And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 02:23:18 PM
Meanwhile, Elon Musk once again demonstrates that he is a huckster par excellence. He promised California 1,000 ventilators -- and instead donated a bunch of CPAP and BiPAP machines that cost 1/20 of what a ventilator costs.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/tech/elon-musk-ventilators-california/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.  

And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more. 

I had actually read what Mak was talking about a while back. At that time, for curiosity, I looked at Amazon. They had those ginormous rolls (maybe 10" diameter?) you see in public bathroom dispensers available for fairly fast (like a week) shipping. I don't know if the price was reasonable or not, but it didn't look outrageous considering the times. Like maybe $15 for the two big rolls? Probably acceptable from the "beggars can't be choosers" perspective.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 04:23:01 PM
Hey, look....we're exporting things again! https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/americas/us-migrants-guatemala-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 17, 2020, 04:26:21 PM
So I heard a rumor that the closed Tyson pork plant in Columbus Junction, IA had moved asymptomatic employees to the plant in Waterloo, IA. I really don't think to highly of the management of any of the management of the big 5 meat packers, so I don't have a hard time believing this. Guess what we have a Covid-19 outbreak at the Waterloo, IA Tyson pork kill plant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: charby on April 17, 2020, 04:26:21 PM
So I heard a rumor that the closed Tyson pork plant in Columbus Junction, IA had moved asymptomatic employees to the plant in Waterloo, IA. I really don't think to highly of the management of any of the management of the big 5 meat packers, so I don't have a hard time believing this. Guess what we have a Covid-19 outbreak at the Waterloo, IA Tyson pork kill plant.

I imagine those small town hospitals are not equipped for that kind of outbreak.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 17, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 17, 2020, 04:39:57 PM
I imagine those small town hospitals are not equipped for that kind of outbreak.

Columbus Junction yes, Waterloo, probably not.

Waterloo metro area is probably close to 200k if you add all the small towns and rural areas. I used to live there in the 90s, I think there is 4 hospitals in Cedar Valley (what the called the Waterloo/Cedar Falls Metro area) at few more smaller if you go out 30 miles.

Columbus Junction is literally in the middle of nowhere. I grew up 45 minutes south of it. I think the closest big hospital would be Iowa City 50 minutes away (University of Iowa Hospital and others) or the Quad Cities 50 minutes away (5 cities on the IA/IL border)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.  

And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more. 


I would think so, too. One of the local hardware stores is doing that, or I think they are. They're selling individual rolls of Charmin, wrapped in paper. Same style of packaging as the TP we use at work (just different brand).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on April 17, 2020, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 17, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)

People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).

The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.

So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.

Seems commercial TP is still in stock from various B2B outfits.

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Janitorial-Facility-Maintenance/Toilet-Tissue?searchterm=toliet+paper&navid=4287923980
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 17, 2020, 06:58:30 PM
So Iowa is one the few states that didn't have a "stay at home" order and a lot of left leaning political people are still pissed that we don't have it. Never mind that all the other orders/proclamations from our governor pretty much made it that with out those three words. I have one friend that is just uber pissed about it, after arguing back and forth this afternoon, my last question was "Would you call the cops on your best friend if they violated a stay at home order?" I'm waiting to see if I get a reply, then watch a *expletive deleted*it storm between them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 17, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article242061306.html

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“We do not consent to our state being shut down. We do not consent to forced imprisonment,” say Idaho Freedom Foundation, Idaho Second Amendment Alliance and Health Freedom Idaho.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 17, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Hey, be glad that you're not living in Michigan.

Gretchen Whitmer has chosen to shut down "elective" surgeries...

What does she consider to be elective?

Things like joint replacements and organ transplants.

But what is still available, as it is a CRITICAL medical procedure?

Elective abortions.

ELECTIVE abortions.

In grinding, unremitting pain because your knee is completely done? Your pain is elective.

Dying slowly from kidney disease and a kidney becomes available? Apparently that's also considered elective.

Get knocked up in the back of your boyfriend's car because you couldn't keep your social distance and want an abortion?

That's apparently life-sustaining and can be performed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on April 17, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.  

And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more. 

I’ve done consulting work for a commercial paper products broker. The sales channels would also be different. Not to say the stores couldn’t do that, but it may not be as easy as calling the guy they but retail stuff from.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 17, 2020, 09:16:50 PM
I can’t say what that Michigan governor deserves here...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 17, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
Lost touch with my friend in the UP a few years ago but I imagine he is saying she is number 1. 🖕
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 17, 2020, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I would have thought store chains would source some commercial TP just to get something on the shelf to sell.  

And that should mean there is a glut of commercial TP somewhere that isn't selling because offices and resturants are shut down and not buying more. 

I had to go back to work Tuesday. When I poop on company time I spin that roll like the wheel of fortune.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 18, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
New data suggests that infections in the San Francisco area are 85% higher than reported. If that ends up being both accurate, and replicated throughout the US, the mortality rates are going to go way, way down. Possibly lower than the regular flu.

While hindsight is always easy, it would suggest that at most, we should have just voluntarily quarantined those over 65 or so and other susceptible demographics. We didn't know, so we did what we did. It's certainly data for opening things up though (and perhaps continuing to ask the elderly to lay low for a while longer).

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-antibody-testing-finds-bay-area-infections-85-times-higher-reported-researchers
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 08:52:50 AM
Banging the narrative drum

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Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett, who is described by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as the "lead" member of the U.S. government team racing to find a coronavirus vaccine, has engaged with online theories calling the pandemic a black "genocide" and condemned what she called "systematic oppression" by white people, a review of her social media posts by "Tucker Carlson Tonight" reveals.
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On March 29, Corbett tweeted out a Bloomberg article about how the poor are dying at higher rates from coronavirus. In her tweet, she said that doctors would deliberately choose to deny ventilators to black Americans, leaving them to die instead.
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Another user declared, “They hate us. This virus is a sure fire way to get rid of us without having to lift a finger.” Corbett replied: “Some have gone as far to call it genocide. I plead the fifth.”

On April 11, Corbett implied black people are "doomed."

But lets not let reality get in the way

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Adams, the surgeon general, told a press conference last week that black Americans suffer more from obesity, diabetes, and other ailments that increase the risk of death from coronavirus.

After Adams recommended that black Americans avoid cigarettes and alcohol to project their health during the epidemic, Corbett retweeted another user’s thread saying the suggestion was “offensive because they ignore systemic racism.” That thread ended by saying, “Dr. Fauci and Dr. Adams, check your privilege. Think critically. Stop spreading harmful fallacies that support white supremacy

Suggesting people stay healthy is racist :facepalm:

Lead NIH coronavirus researcher suggested pandemic could be 'genocide', said doctors would let blacks die
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-researcher-pandemic-genocide-blacks-nih
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 09:30:49 AM
(https://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/644/709/d4a.gif)

Beer may lose its fizz as CO2 supplies go flat during pandemic
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/beer-may-lose-its-fizz-as-co2-supplies-go-flat-during-pandemic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
And the 5G/C19 stupidity is growing
People are now attacking cell phone towers.  :facepalm:

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Arsonists in the United Kingdom and across Europe are destroying cell phone towers. Vodafone says that 20 towers were attacked, including one serving a field hospital treating COVID-19 patients. The arsonists believe that 5G networks are helping spread coronavirus.
The great 5G coronavirus conspiracy
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-great-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 18, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
And the 5G/C19 stupidity is growing
People are now attacking cell phone towers.  :facepalm:
The great 5G coronavirus conspiracy
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-great-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy

Let's find out where they chat online and let them know there's a vaccine for 5G.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 18, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
Let's find out where they chat online and let them know there's a vaccine for 5G.

But is suspected of causing autism
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 18, 2020, 10:47:50 AM
The tinfoil on my head has an idea. The UK has a deal with that Chinese 5G concern, whatever it's called, and some people oppose it for good, non-virus reasons. Maybe the vandals just don't want the Chinese to run their internet, and the idea that 5G spreads the virus is just a convenient way to discredit them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on April 18, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
I actually hate 5G too, and wish it would die. It has nothing to do with the virus of course but I wonder how many of the tower torchers know that already and are just doing it for other reasons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on April 18, 2020, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 08:52:50 AM
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Adams, the surgeon general, told a press conference last week that black Americans suffer more from obesity, diabetes, and other ailments that increase the risk of death from coronavirus.


My brother the nurse tells me black folks have a 2 humped survivorship curve.  A bunch die young of diabetes, heart problems and kidney failure.   Past that it's not surprising to run into one living to a great old age.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 18, 2020, 10:58:10 AM
More fuel for the fire.

After Repeated Failures, It’s Time To Permanently Dump Epidemic Models (https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/18/after-repeated-failures-its-time-to-permanently-dump-epidemic-models/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 18, 2020, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: zahc on April 18, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
I actually hate 5G too, and wish it would die. It has nothing to do with the virus of course but I wonder how many of the tower torchers know that already and are just doing it for other reasons.

Continued thread drift. I don't get 5G. From my understanding, because of proximity factors for towers/relays, it has always seemed to me to be impractical outside of urban areas. Even in suburbia, it seems like it would not be cost effective to sufficiently blanket an area with an acceptable strength signal.

Seems like flash in the pan tech that will be usurped by something much better in the near future. While not as big of bandwidth, LEO internet satellites seem a more useful technology to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 17, 2020, 04:19:41 AM
That option to switch between cumulative and active cases has gone AWOL. If you grabbed that screen shot on Thursday morning, then it disappeared on Thursday.

I just grabbed this screen shot to show what I'm blathering about:

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armedpolitesociety.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D61872.0%3Battach%3D3588%3Bimage&hash=d2c4fa2268f7066ce77e61970c2600bca83f7270)

Simple answer: If you wish to keep the hype up to a fever panic, you must filter out or block any good news. It's just another means toward an end.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 17, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
I had actually read what Mak was talking about a while back. At that time, for curiosity, I looked at Amazon. They had those ginormous rolls (maybe 10" diameter?) you see in public bathroom dispensers available for fairly fast (like a week) shipping. I don't know if the price was reasonable or not, but it didn't look outrageous considering the times. Like maybe $15 for the two big rolls? Probably acceptable from the "beggars can't be choosers" perspective.

Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2020, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.

Woody

Might as well use wax paper
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 18, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.

Woody

You know you can double it over, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 18, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Noted far-right, science-denying, anti-vax, tin foil, corona-denier Peggy Noonan is saying we have to get America back to work.

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Twenty-two million have applied for unemployment since the pandemic began, and it’s going to get worse. This is a never-before-seen level of national economic calamity; history doesn’t get bigger than this.

People need to support their families. They need to have lives. They know how tentative and provisional a sense of security is in the best of times. They see the numbers, they get the implications, and they think yes, there is a terrible sickness out there, but we cannot commit suicide out of a fear of dying. We’ve got to get this thing up and going again.

https://peggynoonan.com/needed-a-little-give-and-a-lot-of-integrity/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 18, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

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A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

Not my area of expertise, obviously, but it will be interesting to see if it plays out as he predicts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 18, 2020, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 18, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

Not my area of expertise, obviously, but it will be interesting to see if it plays out as he predicts.



Hasn't it been around much longer than 70 days in Hubei?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 18, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Those big rolls of which you speak are not toilet paper in the strictest sense. It is smearing paper.

Woody
It isn't as good as Charmin, but I wouldn't call it that bad.  And with the pressurized flushers in most commercial toilets, you can use a little more if needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 18, 2020, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 18, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
You know you can double it over, right?

That doesn't help. Double, triple, quadruple or more .... it doesn't make the layer 'doing the job' absorb any better!  ;/

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 18, 2020, 11:00:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html#click=https://t.co/VLqjaebNII
During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers

Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on April 19, 2020, 01:54:31 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt/coronavirus-clue-most-cases-aboard-u-s-aircraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB
More proof that the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. While the high amount of asymptomatic people isn't good, but what this also shows is just how ineffective this virus is at infecting people in general, and the extremely low death rate. 4,800 people all living together, walking the same halls, climbing and touching the same ladderwells, all gathering in the same few places like berthing and the galley, all working in close confines, and only 600 of the 94% tested have come back positive, and only 1 death with 5 more in ICU.

Also in regards to things like Italy's hospital crowding issues. I wonder how many people overcrowding them are actually sick with the corona, or even sick at all, and if the actual issue is people simple feeling a little funny so they rush off to the hospital, a by-product due to the media's constant fear mongering.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 19, 2020, 02:10:51 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 18, 2020, 11:00:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html#click=https://t.co/VLqjaebNII
During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers

Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.


One of the hospitals in Pullman, WA (maybe the only one) imposed a 25% pay cut on staff for 60 days. I have heard of worse.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on April 19, 2020, 07:41:25 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 17, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
I read a very good explanation for why this isn't panic buying. (I can't find it right now, but I'll post it if I find it.)

People went from spending half of their waking hours at work (using mostly commercial TP) to spending most of them at home (using residential TP).

The commercial TP and residential TP producers are completely separate. Commercial TP makers can't just flip a switch and produce residential TP.

So, although people aren't going to the bathroom any more, they are using residential TP more- at least 40% more demand for it.

Is this the article?   https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/08/coronavirus-shortage-where-has-all-the-toilet-paper-gone/2964143001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/08/coronavirus-shortage-where-has-all-the-toilet-paper-gone/2964143001/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 19, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
Well I guess the way things are headed, we’ll find out the real truth in about 1-2 months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 19, 2020, 09:11:21 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 19, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
Well I guess the way things are headed, we’ll find out the real truth in about 1-2 months.


There are certainly going to be some interesting "AARs" as it were. I would only hope we'll learn something either way to apply to future incidents, but we probably won't.

I think one thing we could already learn is that lowest common denominator, "quarantine everybody" is impractical and inefficient for a number of reasons. Higher resolution, discrete combinations of geographic and demographic quarantining would seem to be the ideal solution (at least for curve flattening), but there are probably too many social and political obstacles in the way to implement something like that, including cooperation of the citizenry.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 19, 2020, 10:18:23 AM
I ran across this article on how NYC area has skewed the numbers for the US. I can't verify it but it does raise an interesting idea that if it weren't for lower NY state things would not look so bad in the US.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR0n89qh3ZHLpT4Xa-kW_2zW6Hr-c5-BrLQz09qjQUzF-HGF6ff1opRUocc


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 19, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: BobR on April 19, 2020, 10:18:23 AM
I ran across this article on how NYC area has skewed the numbers for the US. I can't verify it but it does raise an interesting idea that if it weren't for lower NY state things would not look so bad in the US.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR0n89qh3ZHLpT4Xa-kW_2zW6Hr-c5-BrLQz09qjQUzF-HGF6ff1opRUocc


bob

That's pretty interesting, and again, seems to lead to the need for cooperation of the citizenry, as well as local leadership. You have DeBlazio calling for people to rat on their neighbors for being outside, while he continues to go to the parks and the gym. Plus he's the guy who told everyone to go party like it's 1999 during the Chinese Lunar New Year because otherwise, racism.

You also saw tons of images of NYC residents going outside and going shopping every day, because  I guess it didn't occur to them to buy a week's worth of stuff in one trip. Also I saw multiple videos that the urban yute cop punching fad remained ongoing. So much for social distancing.

In the meantime, NYC celebrities, pundits, etc. were denigrating the deplorable rubes in flyover country for not isolating because their cell phone data showed them driving 10 miles to the store, and they even ragged on that lone paddleboarder in San Diego.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 19, 2020, 11:22:01 AM
My impression is that NYC does not lend itself to buying in bulk in general. Between a lack of warehouse stores or even large grocery stores, the difficulty in transporting and taking the bulk purchases up to your apartment, and storing them in tiny living spaces, buying for weeks at a time may not be an option for most New Yorkers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 19, 2020, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 18, 2020, 11:00:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html#click=https://t.co/VLqjaebNII
During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers

Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.


This is a very real thing all across the country.  We have approximately 35% of normal patient volumes in our hospitals and clinics.  Furloughs have been the order of the day for several weeks now. As a member of leadership, I have been told to prepare for a 25-30% pay cut in the coming weeks to help keep the system afloat and keep as many people employed as possible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 19, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 19, 2020, 11:34:50 AM
This is a very real thing all across the country.  We have approximately 35% of normal patient volumes in our hospitals and clinics.  Furloughs have been the order of the day for several weeks now. As a member of leadership, I have been told to prepare for a 25-30% pay cut in the coming weeks to help keep the system afloat and keep as many people employed as possible.

What will be interesting is whether the hospital top administrators take a big pay cut.  (or if instead they give themselves big bonuses)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 19, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 19, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
What will be interesting is whether the hospital top administrators take a big pay cut.  (or if instead they give themselves big bonuses)

Since I am one of the top administrators, I would say yes to the big pay cut.  In most of the systems I am aware of, it is the top administrators and senior members of the medical staff who are taking the largest cuts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 19, 2020, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 19, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Since I am one of the top administrators, I would say yes to the big pay cut.  In most of the systems I am aware of, it is the top administrators and senior members of the medical staff who are taking the largest cuts.

(https://st2.depositphotos.com/7107694/10318/v/950/depositphotos_103182566-stock-illustration-thumb-up-flat-vector-pictogram.jpg)
 
That's not what my cynical self expected.  Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 19, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
Spur of the moment, I went down to High Point, NC, to help my mom and Eric finish moving.

Their new house is right at the start of the High Point Greenway and there is a park with paddle ball courts, baseball field, playground and dining pavilion.

The playground did have a battered little sign saying it was closed, but I saw plenty of children playing on it. The park was packed yesterday and today, especially the paddle ball courts. People were hanging out in the pavilion (including what looked like a make shirt birthday for a little girl) I did see the park police come by, but they didn't do anything or tell people to leave (I had a free pass because I was clearly walking a dog) The greenway was also opened and well traversed.   

I'm not surprised that it was open to walkers and joggers, but I was surprised that people were openly using the amenities without any concern.  ???

As far as I could tell, it's business as usual in High Point, NC. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 19, 2020, 10:02:41 PM
We drove through a suburban neighborhood yesterday, and saw 3 or 4 groups of people either tailgating (at a distance), or just sitting on chairs at the curb in front of their houses. The block party even had a singer, or maybe they were doing karaoke.

A friend of ours has an Aussie/Pyrenees puppy, and we met her at a park by the Missouri to walk our dogs together. Place was slammed. We had to stop about every minute or two to let cyclists pass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 20, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
It appears that we gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan lab likely responsible for the virus release. It happened under Obama, so it won't get a lot of coverage. Not that it necessarily should, but I think we know that if it happened under Trump's watch the MSM would make it the culprit of the virus release.

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/04/19/ummm-the-wuhan-viral-lab-suspected-of-releasing-the-covid-19-virus-was-funded-by-the-obama-administration/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 09:15:00 AM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/story/2020-04-18/u-s-factories-in-mexico-are-still-open-as-coronavirus-spreads-workers-are-dying

Quote
State Labor Secretary Sergio Moctezuma Martinez said that last week investigators closed a U.S.-owned factory that had been operating illegally and had chains on its doors to prevent its roughly 800 workers from leaving.

A spokeswoman for the company, Georgia-based Cooper Lighting, said in a statement that the chains were a temporary solution because locks on doors to the factory floor were broken. She said the doors were closed during each shift “to ensure the safety of our workers.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 20, 2020, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 20, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
It happened under Obama, so it won't get a lot of coverage. Not that it necessarily should, but I think we know that if it happened under Trump's watch the MSM would make it the culprit of the virus release.


You think the libs/dems/MSM are going to let something like facts get in the way of a good TDS frenzy?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 19, 2020, 10:02:41 PM
We drove through a suburban neighborhood yesterday, and saw 3 or 4 groups of people either tailgating (at a distance), or just sitting on chairs at the curb in front of their houses. The block party even had a singer, or maybe they were doing karaoke.

A friend of ours has an Aussie/Pyrenees puppy, and we met her at a park by the Missouri to walk our dogs together. Place was slammed. We had to stop about every minute or two to let cyclists pass.

I was going to go to Menards (big box hardware/lumber yard for those unfamiliar) on both Saturday and Sunday. I made a loop around the parking lot, which was full and going in and out of the store was multiple people per cart. Let's just say I didn't darken their doorsteps. Played golf instead on Saturday and I got a lot of yard work done on Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day. Smoked a Boston butt on Sunday while I did yard work.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: charby on April 20, 2020, 10:34:19 AM
I was going to go to Menards (big box hardware/lumber yard for those unfamiliar) on both Saturday and Sunday. I made a loop around the parking lot, which was full and going in and out of the store was multiple people per cart. Let's just say I didn't darken their doorsteps. Played golf instead on Saturday and I got a lot of yard work done on Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day. Smoked a Boston butt on Sunday while I did yard work.


Yeah, you can't close the hardware stores or the grocery stores, and if those are the only places open, that's where people are going to go. Or even if they're staying home, when you tell a bunch of people to stay home, they're going to start doing all those projects they've been putting off.

Maybe we should be glad all those people are shopping. If not, who knows how many more millions would be laid off by now?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 20, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: charby on April 20, 2020, 10:34:19 AM
I was going to go to Menards (big box hardware/lumber yard for those unfamiliar) on both Saturday and Sunday. I made a loop around the parking lot, which was full and going in and out of the store was multiple people per cart. Let's just say I didn't darken their doorsteps. Played golf instead on Saturday and I got a lot of yard work done on Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day. Smoked a Boston butt on Sunday while I did yard work.



Menards is always busy on the weekends. I went thursday morning about 7am and it was pretty empty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on April 20, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
I'm really glad that AZ isn't overreacting like it sounds like a good bit of the rest of the country is.

I subscribed fully to the notion of voluntary isolation for this thing, but aside from a handful of metro hotpockets, the national response is beyond absurd.

I just went dirtbiking this last weekend, and I'm going camping and fishing next weekend. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 11:58:24 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 20, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
Menards is always busy on the weekends. I went thursday morning about 7am and it was pretty empty.

2 weeks ago it was a ghost town on the weekend. I know it's normally busy on Saturday but I think folks are finding any excuse to get out of the house. I use golf as my excuse, but I can social distance pretty easy walking the course.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 20, 2020, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 19, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
You also saw tons of images of NYC residents going outside and going shopping every day, because  I guess it didn't occur to them to buy a week's worth of stuff in one trip. Also I saw multiple videos that the urban yute cop punching fad remained ongoing. So much for social distancing.

In the meantime, NYC celebrities, pundits, etc. were denigrating the deplorable rubes in flyover country for not isolating because their cell phone data showed them driving 10 miles to the store, and they even ragged on that lone paddleboarder in San Diego.
Much like that cell phone data, I don't think you can make too many assumptions based off those images.
Quote from: https://www.aei.org/politics-and-public-opinion/the-urban-rural-divide-over-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
Urban areas, like New York, Detroit, and New Orleans, have been disproportionately impacted by the coronavirus with some of the highest death rates in the country. Though the death rate in the US is currently much higher in urban areas than non-metropolitan areas, there are signs that the virus has begun to spread through rural areas. Two-thirds of rural communities now have at least one confirmed case of COVID-19. Despite recent increases in rural communities, urban residents are almost twice as likely as Americans living in rural areas to know someone who has been infected with COVID-19. Americans living in rural areas are less concerned about their family members or themselves becoming infected than those in urban areas (64 percent vs. 71 percent). Urban residents are more likely to have stock piled supplies (39 percent v. 28 percent), and are significantly more pessimistic about when life will return to normal in the US.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 20, 2020, 11:46:48 AM

Yeah, you can't close the hardware stores or the grocery stores, and if those are the only places open, that's where people are going to go. Or even if they're staying home, when you tell a bunch of people to stay home, they're going to start doing all those projects they've been putting off.

Maybe we should be glad all those people are shopping. If not, who knows how many more millions would be laid off by now?

Still should be 1 person per cart/trolley/buggy as suggested.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 12:03:43 PM
Iowa governor just said of yesterday we have a 39% recovery rate of those infected.

Another packing plant was deemed an outbreak this weekend, at a beef kill plant in Tama, IA.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 20, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 20, 2020, 11:58:47 AM
Much like that cell phone data, I don't think you can make too many assumptions based off those images.
Not sure I'd make too many assumptions based on that poll.
I'm guessing that "stock piled supplies" means something very, very different to a NYC apartment dweller and someone living in rural America.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: charby on April 20, 2020, 11:59:33 AM
Still should be 1 person per cart/trolley/buggy as suggested.



So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 20, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: cordex on April 20, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
I'm guessing that "stock piled supplies" means something very, very different to a NYC apartment dweller and someone living in rural America.

True, as you mentioned previously, a lot of urban dwellings are not conducive to stockpiling. What an inner Detroit resident considers well stocked might look mostly depleted by rural Nebraska standards.
However, that poll indicates that at least some city dwellers are capable and trying to be better prepared and the concept of buying a week's worth of food is not beyond their intellect.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 20, 2020, 12:27:22 PM

So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.

Our governor has recommended it, many stores have it posted on their doors (1 person per cart, also no one 16 years age or younger allowed either). Not sure if anyone is really enforcing it if it's posted on the door.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 20, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
To many inner city dwellers the concept of keeping any food on hand beyond chips, soft drinks and beer is almost alien to them since nearly 99%+ of their food is fast food. The refrigerator is where they throw the leftovers to rot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 20, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
OMG!
Trump's name is the check!
We're all going to die!

First look at stimulus checks with President’s name
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/20/first-look-stimulus-checks-with-presidents-name/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 20, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 20, 2020, 12:27:22 PM

So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.

I'm a widower, so I have no choice. If I need to go to the supermarket, I go to the supermarket. My friends in the area who have families have established one person in each family as the designated shopper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 20, 2020, 12:58:07 PM
No, when they talk about stockpiling supplies they're talking about this specific incident.

These are all the asshats that went out in the first week and bought all the TP, messing up the supply chains. I don't believe for two seconds these are people that normally have more than a few containers of leftover take out going bad and maybe some orange juice in the fridge under normal circumstances.

Rural dwellers didn't stockpile because they ALREADY had stockpiles. It isn't an indicator over who took this more seriously, since rural folks didn't need the supplies.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on April 20, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 20, 2020, 12:27:22 PM

So they're recommending people not shop in groups or pairs? I have not heard of that.

That's been the thing. Even I know that (and I don't even watch the news)

Of course, nobody seems to pay attention too it...

Although, I can understand when you have single parents with their kids, though. They don't exactly have a lot of options for child care when doing errands.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on April 20, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
That's been the thing. Even I know that (and I don't even watch the news)

Of course, nobody seems to pay attention too it...

Although, I can understand when you have single parents with their kids, though. They don't exactly have a lot of options for child care when doing errands.

Most chain stores that have household necessities do have online ordering and curbside pickup. I know there are some rural areas that just have a local grocery store/hardware store, but most the majority of the population has a Mao-Mart not that far away. There is no excuse for single parents with a smart phone not to shop that way until this passes. You ought to see the arguments on a north Iowa facebook group with single hood-rat mommas bitching they can't take their kids shopping with them at Mao-Mart or local grocery store. They got facebook, they have internet, they can do curbside pickup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 20, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: cordex on April 20, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
Not sure I'd make too many assumptions based on that poll.
I'm guessing that "stock piled supplies" means something very, very different to a NYC apartment dweller and someone living in rural America.

Yeah, I'm guessing that depending on who is reporting, "stockpiling" has many definitions at this point. When I first started looking at homes here, I was surprised at the large pantries almost everywhere, including the home I purchased, and it seems for most people here, pantries aren't "stockpiling spaces", but rather where normally (for rural living) kept food goes. Stockpiling is the year's supply of canned stuff and water people have in their basements (lots of Mormons here).

Went shopping in Eastern Oregon today. Staples was pretty empty but had a sign out front listing all the "panic stuff" they had in stock. Lots of toilet paper, so I guess as mentioned earlier in the thread, people don't think of TP and office supplies. Tractor Supply had their usual small crowd. Home Depot was crazy. it was like there was a big sale going or something. The store was packed and the garden section was especially packed. I contributed to that as I didn't want to wait any longer for the rest of my garden stuff. I'm at the point where I'll just let my superior Aryan genes handle the virus and create antibodies.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 20, 2020, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 20, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
It appears that we gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan lab likely responsible for the virus release. It happened under Obama, so it won't get a lot of coverage. Not that it necessarily should, but I think we know that if it happened under Trump's watch the MSM would make it the culprit of the virus release.

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/04/19/ummm-the-wuhan-viral-lab-suspected-of-releasing-the-covid-19-virus-was-funded-by-the-obama-administration/

When was the report that they weren't operating at level 4 like they should be, 2018?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 20, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
Another packing plant in Iowa just reported an outbreak, Prestage pork kill in Eagle Grove, IA.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 03:00:33 PM
On the stockpiling thing, it stands to reason urbanites would be more likely to stockpile FOR THIS SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE. Urban areas are where the worst and earliest outbreaks are, and where police (or Karens) are (apparently, at least in some areas) actually hounding people to stay at home.

Also, some of you seem to think "urban" means poor, or uninterested in cooking. Not sure why you would think that. FWIW, I assume they were counting the wider metro areas as "urban," not just those who live within city limits.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/comedian-patton-oswalt-mocks-anti-shutdown-protesters-recalls-anne-frank

Sounds familiar.

Quote
“Rich fat guy sitting on a mountain of cash tells you jackasses to suck it up,” tweeted Gutfeld.

“Even richer a**-faced failed comedian who’s reduced to being the ‘wacky guy’ on geriatric GOP propaganda network would like to explain the nuance of ‘ironic swastikas’ to you,” responded Oswalt.

I like how Oswalt claims Gutfeld is "richer," but he's also a "failed comedian." Of course, that pales to the irony of him calling Gutfeld ugly...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 20, 2020, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 20, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/comedian-patton-oswalt-mocks-anti-shutdown-protesters-recalls-anne-frank

Sounds familiar.

I like how Oswalt claims Gutfeld is "richer," but he's also a "failed comedian." Of course, that pales to the irony of him calling Gutfeld ugly...

Wasn't it that long ago they were crying about isolation from their mansions? 

The media made sure to cherry pick protesters complaining about freedom and not being able to get haircuts.  Didn't bother finding anyone with businesses closed or not getting paychecks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 20, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
Hey now, that bald patch on the side of my head was not easy to live with!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 20, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
The data analytics team at Corporate is now estimating that after things return to 'normal', our patient census will be only up to 75% or so one year out from that point.  This will likely apply to many healthcare systems across the country, which means that healthcare unemployment is going to increase and stay that way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 20, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
ConAgra in Mo is shutofor at least 20 days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 20, 2020, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 20, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
The data analytics team at Corporate is now estimating that after things return to 'normal', our patient census will be only up to 75% or so one year out from that point.  This will likely apply to many healthcare systems across the country, which means that healthcare unemployment is going to increase and stay that way.

Hmmm, does that mean 25% of needed procedures, etc won't be done or that prior to Wu-Flu 25% of all procedures were unnecessary?   =|


bob


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 20, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: BobR on April 20, 2020, 09:48:53 PM
Hmmm, does that mean 25% of needed procedures, etc won't be done or that prior to Wu-Flu 25% of all procedures were unnecessary?   =|


bob




On that note, we are wondering where are all the MI, stroke, appendicitis, and diabetic crisis patients are who used to be in our ER?  We are seeing drops all over the region, so they are not going to other facilities.  Are people dying at home or gutting it out?  What have you seen at the VA ER?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 20, 2020, 10:54:43 PM
Where are the regular flu cases?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 20, 2020, 11:13:11 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 20, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
On that note, we are wondering where are all the MI, stroke, appendicitis, and diabetic crisis patients are who used to be in our ER?  We are seeing drops all over the region, so they are not going to other facilities.  Are people dying at home or gutting it out?  What have you seen at the VA ER?

Our ER has seen about a 50% drop in patients. We are still getting respiratory stuff and abd pain stuff but a lot of the MI's and other cough/cold/indeterminate with vague symptoms seems to have dried up. Maybe people are staying home now that they might really get sick if they head out to an emergency room.  ???

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
JBS (The Brazilian Devil) pork kill plant shut down a plant in Worthington, MN, I'm not sure if this plant is 10% of the daily of the US pork kill or it's closure with other means that 10% of the pork kill in the US is shuttered. The news stories or articles isn't very clear. I'm guessing that plant is 10% of the daily US hog kill because I work in part of the territory where they draw hogs from and there is a lot of hog house complexes. More so than other parts of Iowa.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 21, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: charby on April 21, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
JBS (The Brazilian Devil) pork kill plant shut down a plant in Worthington, MN, I'm not sure if this plant is 10% of the daily of the US pork kill or it's closure with other means that 10% of the pork kill in the US is shuttered. The news stories or articles isn't very clear. I'm guessing that plant is 10% of the daily US hog kill because I work in part of the territory where they draw hogs from and there is a lot of hog house complexes. More so than other parts of Iowa.

Things keep getting shut down and pretty soon they will be giving away a hog with every free tank of gas.  ;)


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 21, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: charby on April 21, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
JBS (The Brazilian Devil) pork kill plant shut down a plant in Worthington, MN, I'm not sure if this plant is 10% of the daily of the US pork kill or it's closure with other means that 10% of the pork kill in the US is shuttered. The news stories or articles isn't very clear. I'm guessing that plant is 10% of the daily US hog kill because I work in part of the territory where they draw hogs from and there is a lot of hog house complexes. More so than other parts of Iowa.

Does JBS shuffle employees around the country or something? I understand the working conditions at these plants make it easy for the virus to spread there but that's true of a lot of places deemed essential & still operating.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-packing-plant-closes
https://www.wbay.com/content/news/JBS-workers-in-Green-Bay-to-get-pay-raise-enhanced-protection-during-pandemic-569788261.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: BobR on April 21, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Things keep getting shut down and pretty soon they will be giving away a hog with every free tank of gas.  ;)


bob

I guess I better sharpen my knives up, build a skinning table, and warn my neighbors about a dead pig or two bleeding out hanging from the ash tree in the front yard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 21, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
Does JBS shuffle employees around the country or something? I understand the working conditions at these plants make it easy for the virus to spread there but that's true of a lot of places deemed essential & still operating.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-packing-plant-closes
https://www.wbay.com/content/news/JBS-workers-in-Green-Bay-to-get-pay-raise-enhanced-protection-during-pandemic-569788261.html

Tyson has moved employees around, doesn't surprise me that JBS would do the same thing. Upper management in the giant packers aren't what I call ideal Christians.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 21, 2020, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: charby on April 21, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
I guess I better sharpen my knives up, build a skinning table, and warn my neighbors about a dead pig or two bleeding out hanging from the ash tree in the front yard.

Do you skin hogs?  We always just scalded and scraped them, and left the skin on.  But that was a *long* time ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 21, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 21, 2020, 12:17:00 PM
Do you skin hogs?  We always just scalded and scraped them, and left the skin on.  But that was a *long* time ago.

When I was really little, my dad and Uncle used to butcher a hog every few months as kind of a big event for our two families and because back then they were dirt poor and buying the hog still saved you decent money. They always kept the skin on and also cooked things so that the skin got crispy. Some kind of kraut redneck thing - it was one of their favorite parts of cooking up the hog.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 21, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
I thought this was a pretty good point regarding who exactly is protesting lockdowns right now (and it's not about haircuts). Especially so since the NYC subway is still open, and Home Depot was crowded as heck for me yesterday. It's the senseless and arbitrary rules that allow stuff that crowds people together while citing someone on a run on a trail where no one but the cop drones are within a half mile of him. Lets everybody crowd into a subway car, but bring gov wrath down on a guy who wants to make money painting a house or something.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/21/reaction-to-overreach-redsteeze-shuts-down-the-elites-shaming-quarantine-protesters-who-just-wont-stay-home/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 21, 2020, 12:17:00 PM
Do you skin hogs?  We always just scalded and scraped them, and left the skin on.  But that was a *long* time ago.

I'd be making roasts and grinding a lot of trim, so yes I would skin it. It's just the wife and I so I want smaller cuts.

I doubt I'd spend the time on curing hams. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 21, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
When I was really little, my dad and Uncle used to butcher a hog every few months as kind of a big event for our two families and because back then they were dirt poor and buying the hog still saved you decent money. They always kept the skin on and also cooked things so that the skin got crispy. Some kind of kraut redneck thing - it was one of their favorite parts of cooking up the hog.

If I was going to roast a whole hog, I'd leave the skin on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 21, 2020, 12:51:01 PM
I'm trying to remember details of how we did it now; that was > 50 years ago, a couple of hogs per year.  My dad did all the work and I "helped".  My dad grew up on a farm (krauts) in central Texas during The Depression.  I don't think we were all that poor but we lived like it, mostly.  The main point of this might have been for my education. 

He shot the hog between the eyes with a .22 to stun it, and then he stuck it to bleed out.  I helped hold it for the sticking.  I don't think he kept the blood.  Then we dragged it up to the house on a sheet of plywood behind the tractor; meanwhile there was a cast iron wash-kettle full of water heating up.  We poured hot water (I think it was purposely not boiling, but almost boiling.  Maybe 190-ish) over it and scraped the hair off.

At some point, it got hoisted up in the joists in the garage and gutted, beheaded, and split in half lengthwise.  Then hung in the homemade refrigerated smokehouse to chill.

The hams and the bacon were cured with the skin on, and probably the picnics too.  The jowls made better 'bacon" than the belly meat did.  The rest got skinned as we cut them up into roasts and chops (there weren't many chops) and a *lot* got ground up into sausage.  We rendered all the skin to make lard and cracklin's, but we didn't eat all that much cracklin's.  Maybe the dogs and chickens got most of those, I dunno.  I also can't remember if we rendered the leaf fat seperately from the skin to make better lard from it.

I remember how good the pound cakes were my mom baked using fresh lard.  They were entirely different from making them with butter and Crisco, or with supermarket lard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 21, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
That’s how my dad described slaughtering hogs with his grandparents. Said it was pretty nasty. He had the tools for it hanging up on the wall but we never did it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: charby on April 17, 2020, 04:26:21 PM
So I heard a rumor that the closed Tyson pork plant in Columbus Junction, IA had moved asymptomatic employees to the plant in Waterloo, IA. I really don't think to highly of the management of any of the management of the big 5 meat packers, so I don't have a hard time believing this. Guess what we have a Covid-19 outbreak at the Waterloo, IA Tyson pork kill plant.

They have reopened the Tyson kill plant in Columbus Junction on a limited basis (whatever that means). Also saw that there is more to the rumor about Tyson moving asymptomatic employees around.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 21, 2020, 12:51:01 PM
I'm trying to remember details of how we did it now; that was > 50 years ago, a couple of hogs per year.  My dad did all the work and I "helped".  My dad grew up on a farm (krauts) in central Texas during The Depression.  I don't think we were all that poor but we lived like it, mostly.  The main point of this might have been for my education. 

He shot the hog between the eyes with a .22 to stun it, and then he stuck it to bleed out.  I helped hold it for the sticking.  I don't think he kept the blood.  Then we dragged it up to the house on a sheet of plywood behind the tractor; meanwhile there was a cast iron wash-kettle full of water heating up.  We poured hot water (I think it was purposely not boiling, but almost boiling.  Maybe 190-ish) over it and scraped the hair off.

At some point, it got hoisted up in the joists in the garage and gutted, beheaded, and split in half lengthwise.  Then hung in the homemade refrigerated smokehouse to chill.

The hams and the bacon were cured with the skin on, and probably the picnics too.  The jowls made better 'bacon" than the belly meat did.  The rest got skinned as we cut them up into roasts and chops (there weren't many chops) and a *lot* got ground up into sausage.  We rendered all the skin to make lard and cracklin's, but we didn't eat all that much cracklin's.  Maybe the dogs and chickens got most of those, I dunno.  I also can't remember if we rendered the leaf fat seperately from the skin to make better lard from it.

I remember how good the pound cakes were my mom baked using fresh lard.  They were entirely different from making them with butter and Crisco, or with supermarket lard.

scalding temp is 150-155F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 21, 2020, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 20, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
On that note, we are wondering where are all the MI, stroke, appendicitis, and diabetic crisis patients are who used to be in our ER?  We are seeing drops all over the region, so they are not going to other facilities.  Are people dying at home or gutting it out?  What have you seen at the VA ER?

NYC reported a very high home-death rate during the last month.  Some reports were of it being up 400%.  Makes you wonder, if people were riding it out at home with other conditions rather than risk an ER trip. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 21, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: charby on April 21, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
scalding temp is 150-155F

Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOG0ZVNftE


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 21, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOG0ZVNftE




This falls under don't try this at home. If you have hard water a small bit of lye can soften it a bit. Too much lye and you can raise room temperature water to 200F pretty quick.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 21, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
"Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?"

Never heard of using lye.

We used lime.

Between the lime and the hot pig and hair, it stank like hell.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 21, 2020, 11:51:48 PM
Granddad used to save the blood to make catfish bait. Him and his brothers went in on a hog and a rental meat locker years ago.

They are all gone now so don't remember much else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 22, 2020, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 21, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
"Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?"

Never heard of using lye.

We used lime.

Between the lime and the hot pig and hair, it stank like hell.

If you fart in the fresh meat aisle at the store, you get the same smell as when you eviscerate a pig.  In case you ever get nostalgic ;)  TMYK...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 22, 2020, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 21, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
I thought this was a pretty good point regarding who exactly is protesting lockdowns right now (and it's not about haircuts). Especially so since the NYC subway is still open, and Home Depot was crowded as heck for me yesterday. It's the senseless and arbitrary rules that allow stuff that crowds people together while citing someone on a run on a trail where no one but the cop drones are within a half mile of him. Lets everybody crowd into a subway car, but bring gov wrath down on a guy who wants to make money painting a house or something.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/21/reaction-to-overreach-redsteeze-shuts-down-the-elites-shaming-quarantine-protesters-who-just-wont-stay-home/
And I hear that in NYC, the mayor is still going to parks and the gym. 

Is there anywhere with more severe lock down rules that doesn't have arbitrary rules?   I am not sure if obvious hypocritical behavior by people in charge is happening everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 22, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 21, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
"Do y'all put lye in the scaldin' water?"

Never heard of using lye.

We used lime.

Between the lime and the hot pig and hair, it stank like hell.

Lime? Water too soft?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Don't they have anything better to do than write stuff like this, like maybe unclog toilets in Sec 8 Apartments?

Quote
   Coronavirus deaths greater among Fox News viewers that prefer Hannity over Tucker Carlson, study says https://t.co/xXGLPt2Wvb

    — Newsweek (@Newsweek) April 22, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 22, 2020, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Don't they have anything better to do than write stuff like this, like maybe unclog toilets in Sec 8 Apartments?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/

Unlike Fox, Newsweek is a serious, legitimate news organization. :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 22, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/sc-co-s-first-coronavirus-death-occurred-earlier-thought?

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SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CA — One person in Santa Clara County died of COVID-19 more than a month earlier than officials initially thought the first death occurred, the officials said Tuesday.

The fatality is the first known COVID-19-related death in the United States.

The individual, who died Feb. 6, and two others all died before what was thought to be the first death on March 9.

The other two deaths occurred on Feb. 17 and March 6. All three people died at home.

So it's California's fault.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 22, 2020, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 22, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/sc-co-s-first-coronavirus-death-occurred-earlier-thought?

So it's California's fault.


Come on down to Chinatown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 22, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Add Tyson Waterloo to closed pig plants.

Wonder what pork prices are going to do?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Apparently it's just let them die in NY now

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New York state issued a blanket do-not-resuscitate directive last week instructing first-responders not to try to revive patients without a pulse amid increased call volumes and lack of resources during the coronavirus public health crisis, according to a report.
Quote
The new order is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a memo issued last week by the state Department of Health.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-state-instructs-paramedics-not-to-revive-cardiac-patients-amid-coronavirus-crisis-report
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 22, 2020, 02:31:59 PM
From the article:

Quote
The new order is “necessary during the COVID-19 response to protect the health and safety of EMS providers by limiting their exposure, conserve resources, and ensure optimal use of equipment to save the greatest number of lives,’’ according to a memo issued last week by the state Department of Health.

NY, to be clear, what you're saying is that when medical demand exceeds the resources available to treat them all, groups of government officals will allocate resources where they feel they are best utilized, even if folks that might otherwise live will die.

Sooooooo...Death Panels then.  Got it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 22, 2020, 02:31:59 PM
From the article:

NY, to be clear, what you're saying is that when medical demand exceeds the resources available to treat them all, groups of government officals will allocate resources where they feel they are best utilized, even if folks that might otherwise live will die.

Sooooooo...Death Panels then.  Got it.

That thought did go through my mind.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 22, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 22, 2020, 02:31:59 PM
From the article:

NY, to be clear, what you're saying is that when medical demand exceeds the resources available to treat them all, groups of government officals will allocate resources where they feel they are best utilized, even if folks that might otherwise live will die.

Sooooooo...Death Panels then.  Got it.

Italy, Britain, and Canada admitted to it...
Not sure anywhere outside of Italy that it came to fruition though.  Well, maybe NYC too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 03:12:42 PM
From the clinical perspective, here is the money quote from the article:

Quote
Only about three or four out of every 100 patients found at the scene without a pulse can be revived at hospitals through CPR, or other aggressive measures, such as drugs or hospitalization, an unidentified veteran FDNY paramedic told the newspaper.

If people knew the crappy percentage of people in unwitnessed cardiac arrest who ended up walking out of the hospital with their cognitive abilities intact, no one would want CPR or ACLS in the field. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 22, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
My wife does clinical education for nurses, and is an ACLS and CPR instructer.

She has told me (after a couple margaritas) that realistically just slap an AED on them and do what it says.  Everything else just makes the rescuer feel better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 22, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
My wife does clinical education for nurses, and is an ACLS and CPR instructer.

She has told me (after a couple margaritas) that realistically just slap an AED on them and do what it says.  Everything else just makes the rescuer feel better. And puts on a good show for the onlookers and family.

Your wife will agree with my addition.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on April 22, 2020, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 22, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Add Tyson Waterloo to closed pig plants.

Wonder what pork prices are going to do?
I bought fresh whole pork tenderloin yesterday (not loin roast) for $1.49 per pound. Loin baby back ribs were only slightly reduced from the usual 2.89-2.99 to 2.59 but I'm waiting for them to drop more too.
I remember around 30 years ago when hog prices crashed and farmers were giving them away. I recall one local grower with cars and trucks lined up from 3-5pm on a couple days a week and live hogs going into all kinds of vehicles. A few of the rednecks would use a gun or a ball peen hammer so they didn't have to "wrassel" them so much. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 22, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 03:24:09 PM
Your wife will agree with my addition.

I am way, way amateurish, only speaking from the basic dive medic training I used to have to do at work, but the last few refreshers before  I retired, we were pretty much instructed to just prep the environment (wet boat decks) and use the AED and call it good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 22, 2020, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 22, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Add Tyson Waterloo to closed pig plants.

Wonder what pork prices are going to do?

They are already tanked, I feel for the independent producer, I could give too shits about packer owned hogs, they will be euthanized and corporate will take government money.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 22, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
I am way, way amateurish, only speaking from the basic dive medic training I used to have to do at work, but the last few refreshers before  I retired, we were pretty much instructed to just prep the environment (wet boat decks) and use the AED and call it good.

I came up in the ACLS era in which we administered all sorts of drugs during a code in addition to whipping out the LifePak for shockable rhythms. In recent years, the literature is showing that a lot of those drugs don't necessarily do a whole lot of good in terms of optimizing patient outcome, and rapid transport to the hospital plus shock is probably more important than anything else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Don't they have anything better to do than write stuff like this, like maybe unclog toilets in Sec 8 Apartments?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/you-guys-are-sick-newsweek-touts-study-finding-that-sean-hannitys-viewers-are-more-likely-to-die-from-covid19-than-tucker-carlsons/



Vox decided to go even dumber with this
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/04/22/vox-out-awfuls-newsweek-with-take-on-sean-hannity-and-the-covid19-crisis/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 22, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 03:12:42 PM
From the clinical perspective, here is the money quote from the article:

If people knew the crappy percentage of people in unwitnessed cardiac arrest who ended up walking out of the hospital with their cognitive abilities intact, no one would want CPR or ACLS in the field. 

Hell, you are lucky to live through it and walk away (eventually) if it is a witnessed arrest in a hospital. And if you do live we won't even talk about the hit your cognitive abilities will take. It aint pretty.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 22, 2020, 10:26:34 PM
Interstate Bakery is probably going to shut down due to positive Covid 19 workers, I think Sioux City, IA or Sioux Falls, SD. Just heard it on the radio briefly. They make hostess products IIRC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 22, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 22, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Italy, Britain, and Canada admitted to it...
Not sure anywhere outside of Italy that it came to fruition though.  Well, maybe NYC too.

I have seen articles quoting NYC doctors that suggest this was the practice several days or more ago, even if it wasn't an official state policy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 22, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: charby on April 22, 2020, 10:26:34 PM
Interstate Bakery is probably going to shut down due to positive Covid 19 workers, I think Sioux City, IA or Sioux Falls, SD. Just heard it on the radio briefly. They make hostess products IIRC.


NOT TWINKIES!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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The end is here!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 22, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
I was going to put this elsewhere, but this thread is about COVID-19, so here goes:

https://www.cnet.com/news/pandemic-drone-test-flights-will-monitor-social-distancing/

As the article states, Westport (CT) was effective ground zero for COVID-19 in Connecticut. Westport is a bedroom town, in which a large percentage of the population commutes into NYC by train daily. It's affluent, so it doesn't surprise me that their PD has been playing with drones. But ... the idea that a drone can detect my temperature, pulse and respiratory rate is unnerving, to say the least.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 22, 2020, 11:53:17 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 22, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
I was going to put this elsewhere, but this thread is about COVID-19, so here goes:

https://www.cnet.com/news/pandemic-drone-test-flights-will-monitor-social-distancing/

As the article states, Westport (CT) was effective ground zero for COVID-19 in Connecticut. Westport is a bedroom town, in which a large percentage of the population commutes into NYC by train daily. It's affluent, so it doesn't surprise me that their PD has been playing with drones. But ... the idea that a drone can detect my temperature, pulse and respiratory rate is unnerving, to say the least.

I grew up in Westport Ct.   Snotty "Gold Coast"  town,  was actually pretty nice in the early 1960s.  In the '70's  there was an organization called "Save Westport Now" started to try to keep it from being turned into a suburb of New York City.  Too little, too late. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 23, 2020, 12:16:58 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 22, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Apparently it's just let them die in NY now
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-state-instructs-paramedics-not-to-revive-cardiac-patients-amid-coronavirus-crisis-report

The linked article has been updated at the time of this post.  The DNR orders have been rescinded.  The folks that entered the order must have pissed someone off pretty seriously to have higher ups rescind it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 23, 2020, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 22, 2020, 03:12:42 PM
From the clinical perspective, here is the money quote from the article:

If people knew the crappy percentage of people in unwitnessed cardiac arrest who ended up walking out of the hospital with their cognitive abilities intact, no one would want CPR or ACLS in the field. 

Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on April 23, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 23, 2020, 07:40:31 AM
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person? 

That is quite the can of worms you want to open there! ;)

First and foremost is "Do no harm". Is there a chance of them surviving? Does it put others at risk of death or injury? I gaurantee that there have been ethics committees all over the US trying to answer these question in light of Covid-19 and most are probably struggling with it.

This is not new, way back when I first became a Nurse (2000), not that long ago, I worked OB and Newborn Nursery. I was in Oklahoma and a lot of the women were against abortion for whatever reason. Because of that I participated in deliveries of non-viable babies (normally huge genetic issues such as Trisomy 13 or 18) around the 22 week mark. We would induce labor and deliver the baby, sometimes deceased, sometimes alive. So in a way it was an abortion but the mother did not feel that way. We would not attempt to resuscitate the baby if it was alive. In every case we would give the baby to the mother and father and they would love it for as long as it was breathing, then we would do a complete bereavement procedure. And yes,, this was considered ethical at the time and probably still so.

So to answer your question....  Maybe.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 23, 2020, 07:40:31 AM
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person? 

Not when the care is futile. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 23, 2020, 07:40:31 AM
Isn't there some oath or ethic that requires DRs, RAs, EMTs, etc to at least try to resuscitate a person?  

This also reminds me of one of my favorite healthcare recommendations: everyone here should have a living will, and as you get older/sicker/terminal, a POLST form that spells out your wishes for resuscitation and other life-saving or preserving treatment. It also would not kill you to have a durable power of attorney for healthcare, if you don't have a spouse, significant other or adult children readily available.

If you spell out your wishes, that will make the risk manager's job much easier when you are in the hospital and all of your relatives have different ideas on what should be done for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 23, 2020, 12:16:58 AM
The linked article has been updated at the time of this post.  The DNR orders have been rescinded.  The folks that entered the order must have pissed someone off pretty seriously to have higher ups rescind it.

I suspect it was rescinded due to optics: if you aren't putting on a good show for the onlookers and family, it looks bad.  The people running the EMS system know that rescinding the order is not going to lead to more people making a meaningful recovery, but by gosh, we are going to make it look like it will.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on April 23, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 10:42:46 AM
This also reminds me of one of my favorite healthcare recommendations: everyone here should have a living will, and as you get older/sicker/terminal, a POLST form that spells out your wishes for resuscitation and other life-saving or preserving treatment. It also would not kill you to have a durable power of attorney for healthcare, if you don't have a spouse, significant other or adult children readily available.

If you spell out your wishes, that will make the risk manager's job much easier when you are in the hospital and all of your relatives have different ideas on what should be done for you.

You are right.

Forcing your family to make these decisions for you is cruel.

Everyone should have a living will, and explicitly tell their family their wishes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/two-new-york-cats-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/

So....what caliber for infected housecat?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 23, 2020, 11:37:45 AM
Interesting, considering the arrests in parks, beaches, etc. while things like subways get a pass.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/23/bam-new-study-shows-covid-19-is-not-spreading-out-of-doors-most-outbreaks-occurred-in-home-or-public-transport/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 23, 2020, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 23, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/two-new-york-cats-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/

So....what caliber for infected housecat?

They got it from their humans, shoot the humans
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 23, 2020, 12:16:26 PM
How to make your own mask:

https://youtu.be/U4c5eo_3-y0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 23, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 23, 2020, 11:52:01 AM
They got it from their humans, shoot the humans
I was going to say suppressed 22 LR for the cats.  SS&S.  Might need a bigger caliber if you take that further. 



Was that what the shooter in Canada was actually doing?  ...probably too soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 23, 2020, 01:26:59 PM
Quote from: BTR on April 23, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
Everyone should have a living will, and explicitly tell their family their wishes.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 23, 2020, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 23, 2020, 11:37:45 AM
Interesting, considering the arrests in parks, beaches, etc. while things like subways get a pass.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/23/bam-new-study-shows-covid-19-is-not-spreading-out-of-doors-most-outbreaks-occurred-in-home-or-public-transport/

This is new? I saw this information last week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 23, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 23, 2020, 12:16:26 PM
How to make your own mask:

https://youtu.be/U4c5eo_3-y0


Am I the only one who remembers her from MadTV?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 23, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 23, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Am I the only one who remembers her from MadTV?

You might be the only one who remembers MadTV.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 23, 2020, 03:42:39 PM
Appears Illinois is getting 30 more days in the hole.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 23, 2020, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 23, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
You might be the only one who remembers MadTV.



Since the dawn of the YouTube era, I've learned that sketch shows are generally much better digested sketch by sketch, than by episode.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 23, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
The left is always hoping the youth vote will actually turn out and save them (and it never does), maybe they'll come at it from the other direction now and just try eliminating enough of the elderly vote?
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/how-coronavirus-could-upend-2020-battlegrounds-204708
An academic journal projects that deaths of 65-and-over Republican voters in several swing states will far exceed those of Democrats.

“The pandemic is going to take a greater toll on the conservative electorate leading into this election — and that’s simply just a calculation of age,” Andrew Johnson, the lead author and a professor of management at Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi, said in an interview. “The virus is killing more older voters, and in many states that’s the key to a GOP victory.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 23, 2020, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.html
Interesting.  If true, I am curious how long they have been doing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 08:48:40 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 23, 2020, 08:51:59 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 08:48:40 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

He's getting a lot of hate for that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 09:21:24 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-new-york-idUSKCN2252WN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 24, 2020, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on April 23, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.html

From the article:

Quote
'They did absolutely crazy things, in my opinion.

'For example, inserts in the genome, which gave the virus the ability to infect human cells.

'Now all this has been analysed.

'The picture of the possible creation of the current coronavirus is slowly emerging.'

He told Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper: 'There are several inserts, that is, substitutions of the natural sequence of the genome, which gave it special properties.

Then later in the article:
Quote
It's too early to blame anyone.

Is it, though?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 24, 2020, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: dogmush on April 24, 2020, 07:40:48 AM
From the article:

Then later in the article:
Is it, though?

I'm sorry, back in January and February, I was told that the virus CLEARLY showed no signs of manipulation by humans, and so HAD to have come from nature.

(Whether or not either is true, I have no idea, but I was quite curious as to how they determined that information so quickly.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 24, 2020, 08:30:46 AM
I wouldn't trust the analysis of a Russian on the virus as far as I could throw him.  Pitting us against China takes the heat off Russia's shenanigans.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 24, 2020, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 08:08:17 AM
I'm sorry, back in January and February, I was told that the virus CLEARLY showed no signs of manipulation by humans, and so HAD to have come from nature.

(Whether or not either is true, I have no idea, but I was quite curious as to how they determined that information so quickly.)

We were also.told by the WHO back in January that the virus wasn't showing human to human transmission.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on April 24, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 24, 2020, 08:30:46 AM
I wouldn't trust the analysis of a Russian on the virus as far as I could throw him.  Pitting us against China takes the heat off Russia's shenanigans.

While I tend to agree with you on the trust issue, I also think it's important to point out when someone doesn't toe the line with their official propaganda.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 24, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 24, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: charby on April 24, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.
It was also supposed to be two weeks. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 24, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 24, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
It was also supposed to be two weeks. 

I don't recall anything about just two weeks in my state, even in mid-march, it was talked about at least 4-6 weeks. Schools were closed 4 weeks first.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2020, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: charby on April 24, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.


I agree, but there are a lot of facets to "bi**hing about the shutdowns." Obviously, there’s the crazy stuff, like plucking a lone paddle-boarder out of the empty ocean, and putting him in a holding cell, so that he can more successfully quarantine. Or the mayor of Chicago telling people they should put off their styling appointments, only to later post her own stylist visit to social media, because personal hygiene is very important to her, you see. Or police responding to an oh-so-dangerous drive-in church service, while the Sonic drive-in restaurant down the street is humming right along.

But that’s just the crazy stuff.

Can we blame people for being skeptical of the models? Weren’t the models way off, even if they factored in the shut-down? And we’ve put how many people on unemployment for this?

Which aspect are we talking about?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: charby on April 24, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
I think people forget a lot of things. When Covid-19 really reared it's ugly head, there was a prediction of what % of the infected were going to be die to Covid-19, the shutdowns weren't about saving any of those predicted deaths, it was about not having them all getting sick and dying at the same time and overloading the hospitals. It's still a very contagious disease and before people start bitching about the shutdowns, maybe reflect on that shutdowns seem to be working in slowing the spread.

Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.

Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.

The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.

So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.

My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!

Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.

According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.

If that's the case, then let's do it now to avoid the deaths that economic turmoil will cause.

(And don't get me started on the treating of Strasburg, VA the same as Faifax, VA. Substitute your state's rural and urban areas to apply to your situation.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: charby on April 24, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
I don't recall anything about just two weeks in my state, even in mid-march, it was talked about at least 4-6 weeks. Schools were closed 4 weeks first.

We were told, at least around here, that the stay-at-home order was till the end of the month. A week ago, we were blithely informed it was extended "indefinitely," and would be reevaluated in mid-May. I can't blame people for finding that a little less than acceptable. I mean, you tell people their lives are on hold for x time period, that's one thing. Tell them, well, you're on unemployment until whenever. Yeah, you'd expect people to get fed up with that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2020, 11:13:36 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.

Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.

The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.

So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.

My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!

Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.

According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.

If that's the case, then let's do it now to avoid the deaths that economic turmoil will cause.

(And don't get me started on the treating of Strasburg, VA the same as Faifax, VA. Substitute your state's rural and urban areas to apply to your situation.)

How dare you talk about people dying from economic problems? That is something only the Left gets to talk about, and they're not talking about that now. So shut up, you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 24, 2020, 11:50:36 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.

Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.

The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.

So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.

My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!

Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.

According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.

If that's the case, then let's do it now to avoid the deaths that economic turmoil will cause.

(And don't get me started on the treating of Strasburg, VA the same as Faifax, VA. Substitute your state's rural and urban areas to apply to your situation.)

Iowa was chugging along quite nicely not really having outbreaks other than in nursing homes, then bam essential workers of the packing plants started getting Covid-19 in significant numbers. Many packing house employees due to lower wages live in close quarters with multiple residents and multiple generations, usually both spouses have to work so it's easy to spread it around from the hot spot. I think May is going to be really shitty in Iowa and other states with a lot of meat packing plants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2020, 11:56:22 AM
Because the Surgeon General said we were going to have a Pearl Harbor or Sept 11th experience a couple of weeks ago, I went looking for some analysis from the media about whether that had come to fruition. I'm surprised how little I was able to find on it.

https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/covid-19-is-rapidly-becoming-americas-leading-cause-of-death/article_7b36b498-6722-5fa3-ba68-02cf0d98699a.html

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/opinion/times/story/2020/apr/19/sohn-covid-19-deaths-becoming-no-1-killer/520952/

The SG also said it would be like Pearl Harbor all across the country, but haven't the vast majority of fatalities been in NYC, and a few other hot spots?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 24, 2020, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: charby on April 24, 2020, 11:50:36 AM
Iowa was chugging along quite nicely not really having outbreaks other than in nursing homes, then bam essential workers of the packing plants started getting Covid-19 in significant numbers. Many packing house employees due to lower wages live in close quarters with multiple residents and multiple generations, usually both spouses have to work so it's easy to spread it around from the hot spot. I think May is going to be really shitty in Iowa and other states with a lot of meat packing plants.

So what you're saying is that certain professions are more dangerous than others and maybe we ought to do something about allowing the skirting employment and housing regulations with regard to illegals?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 24, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 12:01:26 PM
So what you're saying is that certain professions are more dangerous than others and maybe we ought to do something about allowing the skirting employment and housing regulations with regard to illegals?

As long as 5 companies own 85% of the meat packing industry, we all know that isn't going to happen. They own elected officials.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 24, 2020, 12:36:01 PM
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

Quote
Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 24, 2020, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
My problem is that NOW, it seems no one wants to open things back up because SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!

Well, yes, and that's going to happen whether we do it now or do it later. The difference will ONLY be in how many people die of starvation, despair, or deprivation due to the economic consequences.

According to the "experts" we can't just beat the virus. Whenever we open back up it will spread again.

Testing, contact tracing, and quarantining infected & exposed individuals can greatly reduce the spread of the virus and doing that effectively will result in fewer deaths. See South Korea.
Part of the reason for shutting down was to significantly increase those capabilities while slowing the rate of new infections. We were way behind where we needed to be and the idea was to pause while those systems get caught up. Stuff like this too (https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lived-in-factory-for-month-raw-ppe-materials-2020-4).
Are we caught up enough yet (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-update-u-s-testing-increases-deaths-fall) that it won't get out of control? According the "experts" we aren't but it's a judgement call.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 24, 2020, 12:38:31 PM
Testing, contact tracing, and quarantining infected & exposed individuals can greatly reduce the spread of the virus and doing that effectively will result in fewer deaths. See South Korea.
Part of the reason for shutting down was to significantly increase those capabilities while slowing the rate of new infections. We were way behind where we needed to be and the idea was to pause while those systems get caught up. Stuff like this too (https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lived-in-factory-for-month-raw-ppe-materials-2020-4).
Are we caught up enough yet (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-update-u-s-testing-increases-deaths-fall) that it won't get out of control? According the "experts" we aren't but it's a judgement call.



I don't know if we're caught up enough. We are, at 20-some-million, unemployed enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 24, 2020, 11:19:45 PM
Turkey Kill plant in IA has 60 workers test positive for Covid 19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 24, 2020, 01:12:56 PM

I don't know if we're caught up enough. We are, at 20-some-million, unemployed enough.

My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 25, 2020, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.

When we emerge, blinking, into the post-quarantine future, only Taco Bell will remain.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 25, 2020, 08:56:58 AM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.

Depends on where you live.  I think in states that aren't hard hit by covid, people won't be as worried.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2020, 09:01:23 AM
Interesting thread on vaccine development. I was unaware of the past research of coronavirus in animals. The researcher indicates they have been trying to find viable animal vaccines for decades.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/25/chief-science-officer-of-angstrom-bio-explains-the-challenges-to-developing-a-vaccine-for-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 25, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 25, 2020, 09:01:23 AM
Interesting thread on vaccine development. I was unaware of the past research of coronavirus in animals. The researcher indicates they have been trying to find viable animal vaccines for decades.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/25/chief-science-officer-of-angstrom-bio-explains-the-challenges-to-developing-a-vaccine-for-covid-19/

Coronavirus are usually a big time pork killer. Here is an article about the last coronavirus outbreak in pigs in the US.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 25, 2020, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
My wife and I were discussing tonight and we expect it will be a long road back for restaurants: even after the lockdown is ended, people won't be flocking to pack into a restaurant for some time.

It will be a long road back for the restaurant industry because many will have gone out of business entirely.  We've seen many in this area already go out of business.  Also, there were some new ones locally just on the verge of opening, or that had just opened, that never had a chance.  They're gone, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 25, 2020, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Except the predictions of numbers of fatalities were supposed to already reflect the shutdowns and social distancing.

Now, to claim we aren't having anywhere near the number of deaths or infections because of the shutdowns is post-hoc justification of wrong models.

The models are wrong. I am not angry about that- an unknown virus is bound to cause all kinds of issues with trying to predict its danger.

So we acted hastily and mistakenly on wrong models. It sucks, but that happens.

These would be the same models that were used to predict the effects of the SARS and MERS pandemics.  SARS and MERS are kissing cousins of COVID-19.
We never learn from history.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 25, 2020, 12:50:18 PM
These would be the same models that were used to predict the effects of the SARS and MERS pandemics.  SARS and MERS are kissing cousins of COVID-19.
We never learn from history.

What? And break with tradition?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 25, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KfHpgQa.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 25, 2020, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: charby on April 22, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
Lime? Water too soft?

No. It was supposed to help soften the hair so that it could be easily scraped out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 26, 2020, 12:29:19 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leaders-let-scientists-take-the-lead-new-yorks-did-not

A tale of two cities and COVID
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2020, 04:34:49 PM
Restaurants fail all the time, but usually not all at once.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 26, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Anouther Smithfield plant has closed down

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 11:43:55 AM
As I read about more and more of these incidents, it's becoming mind-boggling how little common sense some of these authorities have. These have become excellent examples of "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law". Alternately known as, "The law is an ass".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/27/just-asinine-ben-shapiro-shares-infuriating-story-in-thread-about-police-harassing-elderly-couple-on-a-beach-with-lockdown-rules/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 27, 2020, 12:21:40 PM
That kind of stuff makes my tinfoil hat start warming up. Are the lock down restrictions about keeping people safe or are they about seeing how far they can push a docile public with draconian restrictions on their liberty?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 27, 2020, 12:21:40 PM
That kind of stuff makes my tinfoil hat start warming up. Are the lock down restrictions about keeping people safe or are they about seeing how far they can push a docile public with draconian restrictions on their liberty?

I tend to apply Occam's razor and just attribute it to both stupidity and power tripping. Yet, it does show both how far they can push and how much people will stand.

Also who the quislings are. I see a lot of the urban "anti-protestors" continue to yell about the dumb redneck protestors all getting the virus because they want a haircut (seems to be the most popular MSM reason), not because these lockdowns have kept them from earning money. The post analysis of all this will be interesting. while we can argue that shutting down crowded venues like bars where people congregate shoulder to shoulder on Friday nights was a smart move, a lot of people and businesses got caught in that riptide.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 27, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Yeah, this makes lots of sense, you can take a boat out but you can't fish from it because COVID-19.
 :facepalm:

https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/coroanvirus-washington-state-anglers-fishing-ban-protest (https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/coroanvirus-washington-state-anglers-fishing-ban-protest)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on April 27, 2020, 01:23:25 PM
Ben remarked,

"I tend to apply Occam's razor and just attribute it to both stupidity and power tripping. Yet, it does show both how far they can push and how much people will stand."

Related to that:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Terry

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on April 27, 2020, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 23, 2020, 08:19:40 PM
Interesting.  If true, I am curious how long they have been doing it.

According to the linked article...10 years.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 27, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 27, 2020, 12:21:40 PM
That kind of stuff makes my tinfoil hat start warming up. Are the lock down restrictions about keeping people safe or are they about seeing how far they can push a docile public with draconian restrictions on their liberty?

Like Ben, I also tend to apply Occam's Razor to the issue.  As he noted, it's mostly power tripping and stupid doing as stupid does.
But I also believe some (hopefully few) politicians and government officials with totalitarian tendencies are taking notes about how the public is reacting to the lockdowns.  They are also watching law enforcement closely to see whether they willingly enforce the more blatantly unconstitutional restrictions that have been placed on us.  And as most of us know, a number of LEOs have gone along with the program quite willingly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 27, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
56k deaths in the US so far from Covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 27, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Think of how many lives might have been saved, if we'd banned fishing a long time ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 27, 2020, 04:08:16 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 27, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Think of how many lives might have been saved, if we'd banned fishing a long time ago.

Not banned in Iowa, can't do anything about it being in other states because I'm not a resident nor fish there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2020, 04:14:58 PM
Quote from: charby on April 27, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
56k deaths in the US so far from Covid-19

Bullshit
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 27, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 27, 2020, 04:14:58 PM
Bullshit

What I heard in the news at noon, if you can show me a non "Rush/Beck/Jones/any pundit/TMZ/WND/etc" news article that shows differently, I will believe you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 27, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: charby on April 27, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
What I heard in the news at noon, if you can show me a non "Rush/Beck/Jones/any pundit/TMZ/WND/etc" news article that shows differently, I will believe you.

I think he's talking about deaths being counted, where Covid may not have been the actual cause.

The fishing thing wasn't aimed at you, it just came after you chronologically.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: charby on April 27, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
What I heard in the news at noon, if you can show me a non "Rush/Beck/Jones/any pundit/TMZ/WND/etc" news article that shows differently, I will believe you.

See my video in the facebook group from the woman running the covid 19 response in the state, Illinois isn't even lying about what they are doing. They spelled out clearly that all people who die while infected regardless of real reason of death will be considered a covid 19 death if the virus is present. The video is right from the horsefaces mouth.

The numbers are bullshit.

My friend Chuck was coded as a covid-19 death despite the comorbidities of a smoker with COPD, in his 80's, taking a fall sending him to the hospital and being diagnosed with pneumonia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 27, 2020, 05:22:21 PM
They *have* to lie -- pad the numbers to make up for the undiagnosed cases.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 27, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 27, 2020, 05:22:21 PM
They *have* to lie -- pad the numbers to make up for the undiagnosed cases.   :facepalm:

They have to lie to pad the numbers because they know their models were nonsense.  They used the output of the models to scare the crap out of everybody and justify the lockdowns that destroyed the economy.  It's ass covering time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 05:26:21 PM
I'd have to dig for the article, but I'm pretty sure even the commie pinko Idaho Statesman had an article about "COVID related" definitions for death as COVID deaths. I.e., had a heart attack but were also asymptomatic with COVID? COVID death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2020, 06:22:01 PM
One can stipulate that the China Virus is a very contagious nasty bug and still believe the numbers are BS.

That the numbers are BS isn't even open for debate.

They told the public the truth buried in hours of panic now! briefings.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 27, 2020, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 27, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Think of how many lives might have been saved, if we'd banned fishing a long time ago.

"PISCINE LIVES MATTER!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 27, 2020, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Ron on April 27, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
See my video in the facebook group from the woman running the covid 19 response in the state, Illinois isn't even lying about what they are doing. They spelled out clearly that all people who die while infected regardless of real reason of death will be considered a covid 19 death if the virus is present. The video is right from the horsefaces mouth.

The numbers are bullshit.

My friend Chuck was coded as a covid-19 death despite the comorbidities of a smoker with COPD, in his 80's, taking a fall sending him to the hospital and being diagnosed with pneumonia.

I thought that video was supposed to be a joke, well it still fits with pundit/not a credible source category.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 27, 2020, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: 230RN on April 27, 2020, 01:23:25 PM
Ben remarked,

"I tend to apply Occam's razor and just attribute it to both stupidity and power tripping. Yet, it does show both how far they can push and how much people will stand."

Related to that:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Terry

I think those propagating the suffering are about to find out there is a limit. Once that limit is reached, the suffering won't simply be held at a plateau but will be relieved with extreme prejudice. The last time that limit was reached, there was a revolution and the freest country on the planet was born. It's about time for a rebirth of freedom. I think they forget that we are still armed.

Those in charge have failed to assure that revolution doesn't become necessary. I believe those in charge have forgotten they serve at our pleasure not their's. I do not foresee a peaceful end to the tyranny we face.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2020, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: charby on April 27, 2020, 09:16:56 PM
I thought that video was supposed to be a joke, well it still fits with pundit/not a credible source category.

https://www.facebook.com/drericnepute/posts/2625920074322788
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 10:22:09 PM
Isn't Ron in IL?

Quote
During Gov. JB Pritzker's health briefing on Sunday, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the Illinois Department of Public Health director, said anyone who had COVID-19 at the time of death, even if the person died of other causes, is counted among the COVID deaths.

https://www.shawmediaillinois.com/2020/04/21/what-counts-as-a-covid-19-death/a38v0ed/


Quote
COVID-19 Alert No. 2
March 24, 2020
 
New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths
This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data
for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates.
 
Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the
preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released.
 
What is the new code?
The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular
list format.
U07.1 COVID-19
Excludes:             Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2)
                              Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9)
 
The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a
laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available.  Because laboratory test results are not typically
reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.
 
When will it be implemented?
Immediately.
  
Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate.
However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19
being
the
underlying
cause
more
often
than
not.




What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms?
If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is
not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19.
As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code.
However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19).
  
What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty?
If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be
assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases.
If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record.
In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In
this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19.




Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code?
Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an
unknown code.
  
Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?
COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based
on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.  If the decedent had other chronic
conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part
II.  (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)
 
  
  Steven Schwartz, PhD
Director – Division of Vital Statistics
National Center for Health Statistics
3311 Toledo Rd | Hyattsville, MD 20782

Bolding above mine.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on April 27, 2020, 10:52:10 PM
Maybe they ought to call it the Chinkbug.

"or contributed to death" seems to turn it all around again to the previous "definitions."

So where are we, after all that?

Seems to me all they're actually saying is to be a little more careful about what's reported as C-19.  Which begs the question of what is the actual HTG death rate from "it."  Whatever "it" is.  Let's face it, the medical community can be as victimized by mob fad psychology as anyone else.





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 09:07:25 AM
I have seen convincing arguments both ways about the deaths being over/under counted.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-crisis-21000-more-deaths-than-normal-in-new-york-city-since-march
Without enough testing it's pretty hard to get an accurate picture and it doesn't make much sense to use a test on a person who died of an unknown respiratory illness when the living need those tests a lot more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 09:15:45 AM
Seems many of the same people who were screaming Orange Bad Man for not enough testing are now screaming Orange Man bad for increased testing because the tests are unreliable
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 09:15:45 AM
Seems many of the same people who were screaming Orange Bad Man for not enough testing are now screaming Orange Man bad for increased testing because the tests are unreliable
 :facepalm:


Of course. You didn't think Orange Man Bad could actually do anything to make his Orange Man self Orange Man Good, did you?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 10:03:24 AM
Dogs now

Family dog in N.C. may be first to test positive for coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/28/family-dog-nc-may-be-first-test-positive-coronavirus/


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 09:07:25 AM
I have seen convincing arguments both ways about the deaths being over/under counted.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-crisis-21000-more-deaths-than-normal-in-new-york-city-since-march
Without enough testing it's pretty hard to get an accurate picture and it doesn't make much sense to use a test on a person who died of an unknown respiratory illness when the living need those tests a lot more.

If you aren't convinced by them admitting in writing and on video that they are padding the numbers then I don't know what other facts could possibly sway you into seeing reality.

The arguments about undercounting are all models, projections and probabilities ie not concrete reality.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 10:03:24 AM
Dogs now

Family dog in N.C. may be first to test positive for coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/04/28/family-dog-nc-may-be-first-test-positive-coronavirus/


I'm not surprised.  I also doubt that it's serious in dogs or cats (but likely different between them) 

Transmission from one dog to another is probably unlikely, so I'm not sure why this is news.  Dogs to people in a household, sure, but you gave the disease to the dog in the first place, so dogs aren't really much of a vector.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:09:20 AM
If you aren't convinced by them admitting in writing and on video that they are padding the numbers then I don't know what other facts could possibly sway you into seeing reality.

The arguments about undercounting are all models, projections and probabilities ie not concrete reality.

We get it you hate models. For us that work in STEM fields we use models as a prediction tools all of the time. As I just typed it's a prediction, just like a theory is until is proven to be fact.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
We get it you hate models. For us that work in STEM fields we use models as a prediction tools all of the time. As I just typed it's a prediction, just like a theory is until is proven to be fact.

I don't hate models.

I hate that "experts" and politicians use a sleight of hand trick and fool the public into thinking that the models reflect reality, they don't.

Models reflect the underlying biases of the modeler.

They are used to build narratives and consensus that aren't built on reality.

There is no humility.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 28, 2020, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
I'm not surprised.  I also doubt that it's serious in dogs or cats (but likely different between them) 

Transmission from one dog to another is probably unlikely, so I'm not sure why this is news.  Dogs to people in a household, sure, but you gave the disease to the dog in the first place, so dogs aren't really much of a vector.

A tiger in a New York City zoo is recovering from covid 19  disease. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:09:20 AM
The arguments about undercounting are all models, projections and probabilities ie not concrete reality.
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.

Quote from: https://reason.com/2020/04/27/deaths-spike-in-new-york-city-and-around-the-world/
Financial Times compared the number of deaths (from all causes) in 14 countries for March and April 2020 with death numbers for these countries over the same period of time in 2015–2019. Regardless of whether the COVID-19 death rate is 0.1 percent or three times that high, the new coronavirus is drastically driving up deaths.

"Some of these deaths may be the result of causes other than Covid-19, as people avoid hospitals for other ailments," the newspaper notes. "But excess mortality has risen most steeply in places suffering the worst Covid-19 outbreaks, suggesting most of these deaths are directly related to the virus rather than simply side-effects of lockdowns."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.

What if they said 15%? What if they said 90%?

It's a statistical analysis that MAY or MAY NOT align with reality.

In fact it could have been a bad flu, or MAYBE not.

It can be whatever they decide it MIGHT be.





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
I don't hate models.

I hate that "experts" and politicians use a sleight of hand trick and fool the public into thinking that the models reflect reality, they don't.

Models reflect the underlying biases of the modeler.

They are used to build narratives and consensus that aren't built on reality.

There is no humility.

They need to use more models to get a trend line, not just one particular model. Like when they post all the computer models of a predicted hurricane path, they usually use a dozen or more, a trend is pretty obvious when the hurricane is going to go, but there are always outliers. Using the outlier may fit their agenda but they aren't being truthful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
They need to use more models to get a trend line, not just one particular model. Like when they post all the computer models of a predicted hurricane path, they usually use a dozen or more, a trend is pretty obvious when the hurricane is going to go, but there are always outliers. Using the outlier may fit their agenda but they aren't being truthful.

and I would be evacuating right away if the models forecast a hurricane coming over my house, out of abundance of caution.

If the hurricane models were always wrong I might adopt a different opinion and practice.

I also respect social distancing and adopted the precautionary principle early on as we had so little good data.

Now it is beginning to look like the bad, incomplete data is actually a feature not a "bug" for politicians hell bent on cratering the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2020, 10:37:23 AM

Now it is beginning to look like the bad, incomplete data is actually a feature not a "bug" for politicians hell bent on cratering the country.

The only people you should be pointing your finger at are those who keep voting for incumbents regardless of party. People need to stop being party loyal too. The parties and elected people don't care about us. Primaries are coming, vote the incumbent out.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
The only people you should be pointing your finger at are those who keep voting for incumbents regardless of party. People need to stop being party loyal too. The parties and elected people don't care about us. Primaries are coming, vote the incumbent out.



The sheep are stupid so have an excuse but the shepherds are evil and know damn well what they are doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 28, 2020, 11:04:00 AM
The sheep are stupid so have an excuse but the shepherds are evil and know damn well what they are doing.

Just like all "news" pundits, they know what they are doing and know what bullscat to shovel to their listeners. Listeners willing lap it up too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 28, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:10:35 AM
Just like all "news" pundits, they know what they are doing and know what bullscat to shovel to their listeners. Listeners willing lap it up too.

Which segues into the following:

More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.

The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!

WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:29:56 AM
Quote from: Ron on April 27, 2020, 10:16:27 PM
https://www.facebook.com/drericnepute/posts/2625920074322788

Early on some of the medical press was mentioning that when the outbreak started in China around 23% of the people who contracted the disease* developed heart problems from the virus (viruses causing heart disease is not a new thing, FYI).

So if a person contacted Covid-19 and 10 years later died from heart failure due to Covid-19, how should they record the cause of death?

Measles outbreaks caused heart issues for the boomers and earlier generations. Are we looking at an increase in future heart diseases (and reduced life expectancy) from Covid-19 for everyone alive today?

*https://healthmanagement.org/c/cardio/news/covid-19-clinical-guidance-for-cardiovascular-care
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:31:31 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 28, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Which segues into the following:

More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.

The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!

WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!

Woody

Here you go.... 1 (212) 975-3247  give them a call.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 28, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Which segues into the following:

More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.

The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!

WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!

Woody

Feelz > Facts
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 28, 2020, 11:47:44 AM
Why would the media care about getting anything right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 28, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
They need to use more models to get a trend line, not just one particular model. Like when they post all the computer models of a predicted hurricane path, they usually use a dozen or more, a trend is pretty obvious when the hurricane is going to go, but there are always outliers. Using the outlier may fit their agenda but they aren't being truthful.

Hurricane models may not be the best example.  The models are mostly very inaccurate more than a couple days in the future.  No one ever evacuates until the storm is real close.  At that point, the models can have less error but even then storms are unpredictable.  Some go straight in as predicted, but others don't. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 28, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
Hurricane models may not be the best example.  The models are mostly very inaccurate more than a couple days in the future.  No one ever evacuates until the storm is real close.  At that point, the models can have less error but even then storms are unpredictable.  Some go straight in as predicted, but others don't. 

Why I said they stack a bunch of models together to get a trend line, still a prediction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.



Tragic. I wonder how many of those deaths would not have happened, if the city were still open for business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 12:25:19 PM

Tragic. I wonder how many of those deaths would not have happened, if the city were still open for business.

Bravo.  I think you were being sarcastic, but it's a legitimate question that should be studied and probably won't be because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Bravo.  I think you were being sarcastic, but it's a legitimate question that should be studied and probably won't be because it doesn't fit the narrative.

No, not being sarcastic. The deaths from the virus are real, and so are the side effects of the Great Lock-down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 01:09:45 PM
No, not being sarcastic. The deaths from the virus are real, and so are the side effects of the Great Lock-down.

1) Change everything at once
2) Observe what happens
3) Attribute the results to your favorite theory and ignore other possibilies
4) Profit!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 28, 2020, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
1) Change everything at once
2) Observe what happens
3) Attribute the results to your favorite theory and ignore other possibilies
4) Profit!

Control groups: who needs them?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 28, 2020, 02:10:07 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 28, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
Hurricane models may not be the best example.  The models are mostly very inaccurate more than a couple days in the future.  No one ever evacuates until the storm is real close.  At that point, the models can have less error but even then storms are unpredictable.  Some go straight in as predicted, but others don't. 

Actually a they are a great example:  40 models that all say something different, the results can vary by an order of magnitude, reality does not conform to any of them, and the people that build them think they are useful.

Having lived in FL for almost 20 years, and as a professional mariner that has dogged storms for a living, the hurricane models don't predict anything that an observant person with an isobaric chart couldn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 28, 2020, 02:10:07 PM
Actually a they are a great example:  40 models that all say something different, the results can vary by an order of magnitude, reality does not conform to any of them, and the people that build them think they are useful.

Having lived in FL for almost 20 years, and as a professional mariner that has dogged storms for a living, the hurricane models don't predict anything that an observant person with an isobaric chart couldn't.

Interesting, I never lived in Florida. Just watched the news during hurricane season.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on April 28, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
Campus is having committee meetings to try and get Research back on track. Everyone involved has "great ideas" that are are either logistically unfeasible or organizationally unrealistic. Simple things like limiting the number of people in areas and putting sanitizer stations outside bathrooms/lab entrances are being poo-poo'd as "not doing enough". The ideas that aren't getting shot down are straight from the Overreaction For Dummies handbook (Example: Propping bathroom doors open and posting monitoring staff to make sure people are washing their hands properly). Most depend entirely on immediate and consistent PPE availability, PPE which is currently unavailable in anything resembling necessary quantities (though they somehow think that thrice daily "reminders" to Purchasing about how important this is will somehow make more product miraculously appear). They necessitate the creation of a team structure which not only does not currently exist, it will take 4-6 weeks to develop and roll out. They also don't take into account the bulk of product necessary, the manpower needs involved, and the policing that will be involved for the programs to last more than a few days before people are so tire of the rigmarole that they start ignoring it altogether. At best, it will be implemented by mid-June, by which time the hysteria will have died down and attentions turned to whatever Emergency du Jour the media has concocted for Summer.  

TLDR version: Whatever plan they come up with will take too long to implement, be too cumbersome to sustain, and will go into effect too late. It will be, at best, an annoyance that lets them claim to have done something.

I've exhausted my supply of shits to give for today.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Propping the bathroom doors open if you can do so without someone in the hall getting an eyeful (there really should be a baffle wall or a corner to prevent that when the door is opened anyway) is a good idea.  Or install a toe-kick opener so you can open the door with your foot.  I saw one of those recently. It worked and it looked like it was cheap to install.  Bathroom monitors to make sure everyone washes their hands it just creepy and a waste of payroll.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 28, 2020, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Bathroom monitors to make sure everyone washes their hands it just creepy and a waste of payroll.

I have had to do this at work as a way of checking compliance with hand hygiene. The hospital accreditors want to see evidence that you monitor this.  The novelty of hanging around the restroom trying to look busy wore off quickly. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Or install a toe-kick opener so you can open the door with your foot.

I would use those, but the only kind I ever see are like this. (https://www.restroomdirect.com/footpull_door_opener.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uwBug9rLQRF4AmdipZC3XDuopVbzYczh8h6q22fzHf4RDcXctySRDMhoCcYgQAvD_BwE) Don't want to scratch up my boots, thanks.

I know there are better ones (https://moonlikepaper.com/products/foot-operated-door-opener?variant=33217063616648&currency=USD), though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 28, 2020, 08:48:52 PM
I thought this was hilarious:

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95441321_10156771816621879_5270399659351736320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=OOiYwZT70dQAX_lz1CQ&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=82f3dc2927c5c5e637d622ba43eb3069&oe=5ECDECD4)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 07:57:22 PM
I would use those, but the only kind I ever see are like this. (https://www.restroomdirect.com/footpull_door_opener.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uwBug9rLQRF4AmdipZC3XDuopVbzYczh8h6q22fzHf4RDcXctySRDMhoCcYgQAvD_BwE) Don't want to scratch up my boots, thanks.

I know there are better ones (https://moonlikepaper.com/products/foot-operated-door-opener?variant=33217063616648&currency=USD), though.

Notice the better one is cheaper ;)  I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.  

What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead.  So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle.  Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too.  (that should be a health code violation)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Notice the better one is cheaper ;)  I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.  

What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead.  So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle.  Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too.  (that should be a health code violation)

Yup. And if the faucet in that restroom doesn't shut off automatically, I'm leaving it running.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 09:48:04 PM
This one's for Ben.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unG4YahdGNI
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 28, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
Looks like sciency California plans on being locked down for a long time:

Quote
"We are not going back to the way things were until we get to immunity or a vaccine," Newsom said. "We will base reopening plans on facts and data, not on ideology. Not what we want. Not what we hope."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/california-phased-reopening-plan/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 28, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
Looks like sciency California plans on being locked down for a long time:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/politics/california-phased-reopening-plan/index.html

Twould be amusing if some of the less wacko areas declared themselves sanctuary counties/cities from lockdown policies.  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 10:14:59 PM
Lucy, you've got some 'splaining to do!

Quote
    Remember the woman who told the media that Trump killed her husband after her husband allegedly drank fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine phosphate at Trump’s urging? Police are now investigating whether that man was killed by his wife. https://t.co/S6lH5UiH1Z

    — Sean Davis (@seanmdav) April 29, 2020

Police department’s homicide division investigating case of man who died after ingesting fish-tank cleaner
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/28/police-departments-homicide-division-investigating-case-of-man-who-died-after-ingesting-fish-tank-cleaner/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 10:14:59 PM
Lucy, you've got some 'splaining to do!

Police department’s homicide division investigating case of man who died after ingesting fish-tank cleaner
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/28/police-departments-homicide-division-investigating-case-of-man-who-died-after-ingesting-fish-tank-cleaner/

I don't know who first raised that possibility, but Crowder was onto it more than 3 weeks ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLGQLKNBS-o
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-dakotans-throw-a-parade-for-gov-kristi-noem-who-refused-to-shut-down-their-state

How long until the blue checks call it a Klan rally?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-dakotans-throw-a-parade-for-gov-kristi-noem-who-refused-to-shut-down-their-state

How long until the blue checks call it a Klan rally?

Less time it takes for an electron to obit a nucleus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-dakotans-throw-a-parade-for-gov-kristi-noem-who-refused-to-shut-down-their-state

How long until the blue checks call it a Klan rally?

Wrong state for that
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 29, 2020, 08:37:39 AM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on April 28, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
Campus is having committee meetings to try and get Research back on track. Everyone involved has "great ideas" that are are either logistically unfeasible or organizationally unrealistic. Simple things like limiting the number of people in areas and putting sanitizer stations outside bathrooms/lab entrances are being poo-poo'd as "not doing enough". The ideas that aren't getting shot down are straight from the Overreaction For Dummies handbook (Example: Propping bathroom doors open and posting monitoring staff to make sure people are washing their hands properly). Most depend entirely on immediate and consistent PPE availability, PPE which is currently unavailable in anything resembling necessary quantities (though they somehow think that thrice daily "reminders" to Purchasing about how important this is will somehow make more product miraculously appear). They necessitate the creation of a team structure which not only does not currently exist, it will take 4-6 weeks to develop and roll out. They also don't take into account the bulk of product necessary, the manpower needs involved, and the policing that will be involved for the programs to last more than a few days before people are so tire of the rigmarole that they start ignoring it altogether. At best, it will be implemented by mid-June, by which time the hysteria will have died down and attentions turned to whatever Emergency du Jour the media has concocted for Summer.  

TLDR version: Whatever plan they come up with will take too long to implement, be too cumbersome to sustain, and will go into effect too late. It will be, at best, an annoyance that lets them claim to have done something.

I've exhausted my supply of shits to give for today.

Brad

Sounds like working for the government.  The monday after Trump declared a national emergency, my work had a mandatory security briefing on some changes.  There were 30+ of us sitting in a briefing room.  It was a full week until they sent "non essentials" home and also authorized telework for those who could.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 29, 2020, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Notice the better one is cheaper ;)  I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.  

What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead.  So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle.  Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too.  (that should be a health code violation)

That's what your foot is for.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 28, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
Notice the better one is cheaper ;)  I saw one recently that was somewhere in between.  

What bugs me (and did a little even before the current mess) is restroom doors that open in, and there's no button on the wall to open it (like for handicaps), no toe opener, and they got rid of all the paper towels and put in a blow dryer instead.  So there's no way to open the door without grabbing the nasty handle.  Which means everybody else before you grabbed nasty door handle too.  (that should be a health code violation)

So more government?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 29, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: charby on April 29, 2020, 08:43:51 AM
So more government?
He's on your side now!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 29, 2020, 08:55:00 AM
I work in retail at a store location.

We aren't open to the public currently but are operating as a warehouse for internet orders.

There are spray bottles of virex everywhere as well as plastic dispenser tubs of paper towels filled with isopropyl alcohol.

Nobody shares your work station/computer and we are supposed to maintain the six foot distance.

All doors, including bathrooms are propped open.

We all enter and leave at the same time, a manager is tasked with sanitizing the door before and after entering/leaving.

Without a doubt there is a lessened chance of spread of disease from surfaces in our building.

Yet, the whole vibe I'm experiencing is a lot like the airport TSA security theater.

It's frustrating.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
Quote from: charby on April 28, 2020, 11:25:51 PM
Wrong state for that

Wrong century and wrong political party, but that doesn't stop them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 29, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
Wrong century and wrong political party, but that doesn't stop them.

I still think Indiana for the latest Klan reincarnation.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: fistful on April 28, 2020, 12:25:19 PM

Quote from: DittoHead on April 28, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
???
NYC experienced thousands of “excess deaths” from mid-March to late-April. That's not a forward looking prediction model, it's a comparison to previous years with solid data.
They attributed about ~16.5k of those to Covid19, or about 75% of them. You can argue that they shouldn't attribute that many to the new virus but the excess deaths are not some statistical trickery.

Tragic. I wonder how many of those deaths would not have happened, if the city were still open for business.

https://ricochet.com/752230/are-there-extra-covid-deaths/

Beth Mandel questions how many of the additional deaths are the result of people delaying health care for non-Covid issues, along with "the stress of isolation and financial insecurity."

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: cordex on April 29, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
He's on your side now!

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 29, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 28, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Which segues into the following:

More misinformation from the MSM: Today on "CBS This Morning," Gail King spouted misinformation about flying in an airliner and how it is so dangerous because the air in the plane is recirculated. Actually, the air in airliners is constantly refreshed using bleed air from the compressor sections of the jet engines (Some use electric compressors sucking in outside air.). Its how the airliners are pressurized. Air enters the cabin(and cockpit) from the engines after it passes through a turbo-cooler/inter-cooler that allows the high pressure hot air to expand which lowers the pressure and regulates the temperature of the air. The air enters the cabin and then the cabin pressure is regulated by outflow valves.

The air in a typical airliner is actually replaced 10 to 15 times an hour (every 4 to 6 minutes) which is about 5 times faster than in an operating room in a hospital any WAY more often in some places like Walmart, or your local grocery store. That leads me to believe your chances of catching someone else's sniffles on an airliner are at least 10 times less than in Walmart and about 5 times less than in an operating room!

WILL SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE MSM PLEASE INFORM THEM OF WHAT GOES ON IN AN AIRLINER THAT THEIR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF RESEARCH HAS REVEALED!

Woody

Someone got through.

Gail King on "CBS This Morning" more or less recanted her story this morning, by stating that they heard from someone from an airline or an airline manufacturer(didn't catch the whole report) explaining how the air in the cabin is replaced every 2 or 3 minutes and is also passed through a HEPA filter before it enters the cabin.

It isn't very often that someone in the MSM makes any sort of correction for misinformation they have spread. Personally, I can't recall any such correction being made in my lifetime but I'll give them the benefit of the fact that I don't watch them 24/7/365.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on April 29, 2020, 11:06:29 AM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on April 28, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
...

The ideas that aren't getting shot down are straight from the Overreaction For Dummies handbook (Example: Propping bathroom doors open and posting monitoring staff to make sure people are washing their hands properly).

...

Brad

Correction necessary.

I found out the person relaying information had conflated two disparate ideas. Idea #1 was propping open the doors so people wouldn't have to touch the handles. Idea #2 was some hair-brained scheme to try and police handwashing.

Apparently someone also came up with the idea to put portable towel dispensers by the doors so people could use them when opening the doors. This was in conjunction with a sanitizer station outside each bathroom-group location. Easy, simple, and effective, so it obviously had to be shot down.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 11:28:35 AM
For most of my life I have refused to touch restroom doors. I have always used a paper towel, part of my clothing, my foot, something, use anything but touch one with my hand. Far too many disgusting people out there. It's bad enough when I see someone go straight from the urinal to the door but I can't count the number of times I've seen someone go straight from an obviously messy #2, from the sound and smell, exit the stall and walk straight to the door. Once saw a cook from a restaurant do that very thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on April 29, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
Campus just announced plans for fall, or at least what they intend to accomplish once they come up with actual plans.


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We need to recognize that campus life will be different when we return in the fall. Over the last few weeks, we have been closely monitoring the national landscape while several groups have been developing and analyzing various scenarios to bring our students, faculty, and staff back to campus. Social distancing and safety protocols will be critical as we return to our classrooms, labs, and residence halls. Our plans will also include recommendations regarding the use of protective masks, testing and contact-tracing, and other tools. We are developing several ways to reduce the density of groups in our student facilities, large lecture-based classrooms, and our popular campus areas. These same plans extend to special events, including athletics.

One thing that I pull from this is an increased focus on distance learning. Traditionally, the university has fought distance learning tooth and nail, mostly in the form of professorial angst ("How can I expect to effectively teach without my students in the room?!?!?!? *harumph.. harumph.. harumph*"). Students an non-academicians have been pushing it the idea as both wanted and necessary, and that not gearing up for it now is putting the university at serious risk for losing students to more tech-integrated campuses.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 29, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: charby on April 29, 2020, 08:43:51 AM
So more government?

???  There already is a health code.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 29, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
???  There already is a health code.

True, but do you need to turn it in to a laundry list of Karen's ideas?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 29, 2020, 01:10:23 PM
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As someone once said, "This business will get out of control.  It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 01:42:14 PM
Never let a crises go to waste
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this week floated the possibility of a guaranteed minimum income as part of a potential Phase 4 response to the coronavirus crisis -- an idea being pushed by left-wing members of the Democratic Party such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.
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Ocasio-Cortez has called for $2,000 in monthly payments to all families, regardless of immigration status, and $1,000 per child. She was joined by Progressive Caucus leaders and fellow Democratic Reps. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, and "squad members" Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and activists in demanding an even costlier version of the economic stimulus.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-guaranteed-minimum-income-coronavirus-response
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 29, 2020, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 01:42:14 PM
Never let a crises go to wastehttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-guaranteed-minimum-income-coronavirus-response

I don't get a lot of this "plus $1000 per child stuff" they are pushing, mostly because they are the same people that always say we are overpopulated and need to stop having kids. You'd thing they would want to disincentivize it.

Though in their defensive, it would be difficult to pass restricting the $1000/child payment to non-whites only.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 29, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Apparently the US epicenter for the virus has not been disinfecting their subway cars this whole time?!? Seems like a good reason to tell them to go to hell with that ~$10 billion in federal aid DeBlasio is demanding.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/29/a-little-late-gov-cuomo-finally-orders-nyc-to-disinfect-the-subway-cars-every-night/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 29, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Apparently the US epicenter for the virus has not been disinfecting their subway cars this whole time?!? Seems like a good reason to tell them to go to hell with that ~$10 billion in federal aid DeBlasio is demanding.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/29/a-little-late-gov-cuomo-finally-orders-nyc-to-disinfect-the-subway-cars-every-night/

 :facepalm:
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: charby on April 29, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
True, but do you need to turn it in to a laundry list of Karen's ideas?


Cuz up til now all the health codes were super libertarian and manly and stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 29, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
Cuz up til now all the health codes were super libertarian and manly and stuff.

some make sense, some are WTF. Nothing libertarian about any health code.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 29, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on April 29, 2020, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 29, 2020, 01:47:36 PM
I don't get a lot of this "plus $1000 per child stuff" they are pushing, mostly because they are the same people that always say we are overpopulated and need to stop having kids. You'd thing they would want to disincentivize it.

Though in their defensive, it would be difficult to pass restricting the $1000/child payment to non-whites only.

Seems like it would put a crimp in Planned Parenthood's abortion mill as well.  Maybe they can give them tax money to make up the difference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
So that vaccine that Oxford says might be ready by September - turns out it could [trigger warning] make British people proud of their country.

Some genius who "teaches" at Oxford is all worried that a British institution will be the hero, instead of globalism.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-vaccine_uk_5ea067f2c5b6b2e5b83ba372

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The race is on and researchers at Oxford are doing vital, life-saving work. But races have winners and losers. If my university is the first to develop the vaccine, I’m worried that it will be used as it has been in the past, to fulfil its political, patriotic function as proof of British excellence.

The story will be clear: China, once again, has unleashed a threat to civilisation. But the best brains of the UK have saved the world.

Whilst I’m hopeful that I will be able to visit my Dad soon, this must not overshadow the key lesson of coronavirus: international cooperation saves lives.

From her bio, as if you needed confirmation.
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Dr Emily Cousens researches vulnerability and gender
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: charby on April 29, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
some make sense, some are WTF. Nothing libertarian about any health code.

Then I guess you can't Karenize something that's already Karened.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 29, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
Then I guess you can't Karenize something that's already Karened.

Karen says hold my pumpkin spice latte.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 29, 2020, 04:59:59 PM

Some genius who "teaches" at Oxford is all worried that a British institution will be the hero, instead of globalism.

I hear a cliff screaming free flying lessons
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 29, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 29, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.

Finally talking about Cardiac issues and Covid-19 in the MSM.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 29, 2020, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 29, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/

"Militarized Karens", heh.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 29, 2020, 06:32:59 PM
With things being this dictatorial wherein people are paying for their health care through insurance or by cash, imagine how tyrannical it would be with single payer health care...

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 29, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 29, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
MSM wants us to enact more government control, China style.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/cnn-analysis-for-some-chinas-model-of-control-is-looking-increasingly-attractive/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 29, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 29, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
MSM wants us to enact more government control, China style.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/cnn-analysis-for-some-chinas-model-of-control-is-looking-increasingly-attractive/

"Increasingly attractive", in this case, means "what we wanted all along but have a new excuse for it."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 29, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 29, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359

An interesting article about establishing an accurate death count of COVID-19.

There's another aspect -- we don't have any data on recoveries. The protocol for "officially" establishing that someone has recovered is two negative tests, taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity yet to test people who may be infected -- the incoming side of the bell curve. So we have NO capacity for testing people on the other side, those who are (hopefully) recovered. And, until we establish reliable testing for recoveries ... we have NO IDEA how many active cases there are in the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 29, 2020, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 29, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
There's another aspect -- we don't have any data on recoveries. The protocol for "officially" establishing that someone has recovered is two negative tests, taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity yet to test people who may be infected -- the incoming side of the bell curve. So we have NO capacity for testing people on the other side, those who are (hopefully) recovered. And, until we establish reliable testing for recoveries ... we have NO IDEA how many active cases there are in the country.

One thing Iowa has been trying their best, just numbers on # positive cases, # in hospital beds, # dead, # recovered. and # of available ICU every day. Right now Iowa is about 35% recovered and 2.1% positive have become fatalities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 29, 2020, 10:48:27 PM
On the ABC story, I was interested to read there is not a national consensus or guidance on how to attribute a death to COVID-19.  That is going to make it difficult to compare apples to apples across the country.  Your death in Florida may not be the same as a death in North Dakota.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 30, 2020, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 29, 2020, 04:43:47 PM
I'm assuming Wisonsin has LE take an oath to the constitution when they are sworn in? Doesn't look like it took.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/04/29/totalitarian-garbage-video-shows-officers-giving-wisconsin-mom-a-warning-for-allowing-daughter-to-play-at-neighbors-house-during-stay-at-home-order/

That is absolutely chilling.  They even pulled the "we've got your name on the list of uncooperatives" ploy. 

Those cops come off as zealots in my eyes.  They show an almost religious adherence and belief in the State and the dictates they're expected to enforce.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 30, 2020, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 30, 2020, 08:37:27 AM
That is absolutely chilling.  They even pulled the "we've got your name on the list of uncooperatives" ploy. 

Yeah, that got me too. That was straight out of a Gestapo scene from a WW2 B movie.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 30, 2020, 09:03:42 AM
Quote from: charby on April 29, 2020, 10:03:23 PM
One thing Iowa has been trying their best, just numbers on # positive cases, # in hospital beds, # dead, # recovered. and # of available ICU every day. Right now Iowa is about 35% recovered and 2.1% positive have become fatalities.

Those are reported numbers, not actual numbers.

Narrative vs reality
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 30, 2020, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: charby
Numbers

Quote from: Ron
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Do we really have to go through this every day? :'(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 30, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
The San Francisco model except with chickens

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A city in Sweden plans on spreading 2,000 pounds of chicken manure to deter festival crowds descending on the area Thursday amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Tens of thousands of people typically travel to the Swedish city of Lund in celebration of Walpurgis Night, a festival that also sees parties and bonfires scattered across Europe. Officials believe the smell of manure will help detract people from the gathering, which is classified as "spontaneous," so it can't be banned by authorities.

Swedish city to dump metric ton of chicken manure in park to discourage festival gathering
https://www.foxnews.com/health/swedish-city-dump-2000-pounds-chicken-manure-in-park-limit-large-gathering-amid-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 30, 2020, 11:08:13 AM
"Walpurgis Night"

We need to celebrate that here, spontaneous bonfires and dancing. We all could use a little Saint Walpurga to chase off the Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 11:39:14 AM
Muh constitutionz!  Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on April 30, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/30/848181755/south-korea-reports-no-new-domestic-coronavirus-cases
South Korea, which waged an early battle against COVID-19 after the disease emerged from China, said on Thursday that it had no new domestic cases for the first time since a surge nearly 10 weeks ago.

The country experienced its first case on Jan. 20, but didn't see infections ramp up until mid-February. They peaked on Feb. 29 with 909 daily cases and have been trending down ever since.

The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported just four new coronavirus infections on Thursday, all of them cases that came from outside the country.
Good for them!
We can't duplicate their approach, but certainly we could learn a few things from them and make improvements.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 30, 2020, 12:38:08 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50-bodies-found-in-u-haul-trucks-outside-new-york-city-funeral-home

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A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks, as well as additional bodies lying on the floor inside the establishment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 30, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 30, 2020, 12:38:08 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50-bodies-found-in-u-haul-trucks-outside-new-york-city-funeral-home


I honestly can't blame them, they must be overwhelmed. At least they were keeping them cool and not rotting away outdoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 30, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: makattak on April 30, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
I honestly can't blame them, they must be overwhelmed. At least they were keeping them cool and not rotting away outdoors.

A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 30, 2020, 01:34:09 PM
At-home deaths on the rise.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/30/reopenamerica-dammit-data-out-of-oregon-shows-lockdown-may-actually-be-deadlier-than-covid-itself-thread/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 30, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 11:39:14 AM
Muh constitutionz!  Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.


This is not a great argument.  The Bill of rights has been [mostly] incorporated to the states.  Things like the free exercise of religion (Easter Mass), or the right to peaceably assemble, both to petition for a redress of grievances and "to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends" [Roberts v. United States Jaycees] are pretty firmly established as protected, and that prohibition on violating that right absolutely applies to the states, regardless of what their elected representatives may think.  

I know there are emergency powers laws, and I know why, but the First Amendment gets Strict Scrutiny (at least the religious parts), and this level of interference has definitely not been litigated.  SO it's fair to say "Muh constitutionz!" because it very likely that at minimum the banning of religious services by the states is unconstitutional.  Free assembly is an important right, as Hong Kong could probably tell you right now.


I recognize that I am in a minority (of the US) but no one ever promised Freedom was safe.  If Freedom, and not letting the state (or States) run roughshod means there is a measurable increase in deaths from any number of things than that's what it means.  For the same reason that we shouldn't let the States limit shitty food, or not exercising, or taking drugs, or unprotected sex, or anyone of a number of things that cause death or spread disease we shouldn't let State legislatures tell us we can or can't leave our houses or BBQ with friends.  Sorry, not sorry.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: dogmush on April 30, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
This is not a great argument.  The Bill of rights has been [mostly] incorporated to the states.  Things like the free exercise of religion (Easter Mass), or the right to peaceably assemble, both to petition for a redress of grievances and "to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends" [Roberts v. United States Jaycees] are pretty firmly established as protected, and that prohibition on violating that right absolutely applies to the states, regardless of what their elected representatives may think.  

I know there are emergency powers laws, and I know why, but the First Amendment gets Strict Scrutiny (at least the religious parts), and this level of interference has definitely not been litigated.  SO it's fair to say "Muh constitutionz!" because it very likely that at minimum the banning of religious services by the states is unconstitutional.  Free assembly is an important right, as Hong Kong could probably tell you right now.


I recognize that I am in a minority (of the US) but no one ever promised Freedom was safe.  If Freedom, and not letting the state (or States) run roughshod means there is a measurable increase in deaths from any number of things than that's what it means.  For the same reason that we shouldn't let the States limit shitty food, or not exercising, or taking drugs, or unprotected sex, or anyone of a number of things that cause death or spread disease we shouldn't let State legislatures tell us we can or can't leave our houses or BBQ with friends.  Sorry, not sorry.

I actually agree. 

What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 30, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 30, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
A foul smell outside a Brooklyn funeral home led to the discovery of dozens of bodies kept in unrefrigerated rented U-Haul trucks

Read that as refrigerated....

Allow me to channel Emily Litella here: NEVER MIND!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 30, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on April 30, 2020, 09:30:23 AM

Do we really have to go through this every day? :'(


If you you don't want to have nonsensical conversations and arguments about phony numbers then yes.

It has to be stipulated the numbers were pulled out of someones ass and don't reflect reality.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 30, 2020, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
I actually agree. 

What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.
Then maybe encourage the people who are noticing government overreach - possibly for the first time - instead of making them out to be bleating sheep?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 30, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 11:39:14 AM
Muh constitutionz!  Keep hearing this bleating all over facebook, and somewhat here, too.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

States have elected representatives who have passed emergency powers laws. This is how they enforce curfews after hurricanes and earthquakes, and how they quell riots.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is the facts.


Don't forget, however, that like the limited powers We the People grant to the feral government in the Constitution, the same applies to the powers We the People of the several states grant to our respective states. If the people don't grant a certain power to their state government in their state's constitution, any such power remains with the people.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 30, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on April 30, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
I actually agree. 

What has been exposed, however, is the dots from representative government to the laws they pass including emergency powers, to how they can actually be applied and used.
It's kind of a made our bed moment.
The other part is that our elected representatives have appointed judges that are either very reluctant to put any limits on the power of govt or they cheer them on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 30, 2020, 08:21:44 PM
Quote from: some guy on the Internet
This year, Cinco de Mayo falls on Taco Tuesday, but it got cancelled by a virus named for a Mexican beer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 01, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
I guess everybody had better keep hoarding toilet paper. These guys say it will take up to two years for global herd immunity.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/covid-19-pandemic-likely-to-last-two-years-report-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 01, 2020, 08:41:24 PM
Went in to Costco today, zero TP and paper towels. Come on already people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 01, 2020, 08:58:35 PM
I wonder how many people spread the flu who didn't show symptoms...

I'd sure like to get to the bottom of all this hype. The death rate doesn't warrant the panic, fear mongering, and dictates.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 01, 2020, 09:25:51 PM
My wife went to our local Costco on Thursday, and there was no toilet paper, nor any fresh or frozen chicken. She likes keeping a bag of the Costco individual cyrovac packed boneless skinless chicken breasts in the freezer.  None to be had, or any other chicken parts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 01, 2020, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 01, 2020, 09:25:51 PM
My wife went to our local Costco on Thursday, and there was no toilet paper, nor any fresh or frozen chicken. She likes keeping a bag of the Costco individual cyrovac packed boneless skinless chicken breasts in the freezer.  None to be had, or any other chicken parts.

I haven't been since this all started. Are they out of the five buck deli chickens too, or not making them because of the virus?

Everyone has been talking about the meat shortage, and I saw news stories of bare shelves today, but at my grocery store yesterday, still fully stocked on beef, pork, and chickens.

I've been going through my frozen meat.  I should maybe pick more up at my store in case city slickers drive out here and empty the shelves again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 01, 2020, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 01, 2020, 08:58:35 PM
I wonder how many people spread the flu who didn't show symptoms...

I'd sure like to get to the bottom of all this hype. The death rate doesn't warrant the panic, fear mongering, and dictates.


That depends on where you live. My county alone has 7,900 confirmed cases and 533 deaths. That's since the second week of March, so eight weeks. Population is around 850,000, so the death rate is 6.75% of cases, and .06% of the total population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 01, 2020, 10:30:29 PM
I didn't check out the meat dept at Walmart today, but I did walk the paper goods aisle.  There was a little bit (15% or so) of the TP side filled, mostly with the generic WM stuff.  On the other hand, the PT side was 99% full.  They only had the generic and Brawny towels, but they used them to fill in where other brands were supposed to be.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 01, 2020, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 01, 2020, 10:23:58 PM
That depends on where you live. My county alone has 7,900 confirmed cases and 533 deaths. That's since the second week of March, so eight weeks. Population is around 850,000, so the death rate is 6.75% of cases, and .06% of the total population.

The problem is with the number of "confirmed cases".
The actual number of total cases is unknown but we have seen reports from a couple of places that put the suspected total of cases higher by a factor of 10 or more.
I suspect that if we ever get enough testing capacity to cover a significant portion of the population we will find that huge numbers of people carry the anitbody with out ever experiencing any symptoms or had very minor symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 02, 2020, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 01, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
I guess everybody had better keep hoarding toilet paper. These guys say it will take up to two years for global herd immunity.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/covid-19-pandemic-likely-to-last-two-years-report-says

Given how inaccurate  most modeling has been about this Andromeda Strain  Covid 19 bug so far why believe them?  Herd immunity has been prolonged by our stupid - @$$   brilliant lock-down policies but .... two years? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 02, 2020, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 01, 2020, 11:10:22 PM
The problem is with the number of "confirmed cases".
The actual number of total cases is unknown but we have seen reports from a couple of places that put the suspected total of cases higher by a factor of 10 or more.
I suspect that if we ever get enough testing capacity to cover a significant portion of the population we will find that huge numbers of people carry the anitbody with out ever experiencing any symptoms or had very minor symptoms.

True.

The other problem with our lack of testing capability/capacity is that recovery is supposed to be determined on the basis of two negative tests taken 24 hours apart. We don't have enough testing capacity to test all suspect cases in the "in" side of the bell curve, so I'm sure we're not testing every patient -- twice -- on the "out" side of the curve to verify that they have recovered.

Basically ... we're flying blind.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 02, 2020, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 02, 2020, 01:28:05 AM

Basically ... we're flying blind.

and we have to rely on for our information institutions and people who have shown themselves to be if not untrustworthy at the minimum incompetent.

I haven't abandoned my position on holding to the precautionary principle yet but the more real information that leaks out the more I'm chafing at the situation.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 02, 2020, 09:11:57 AM
I'd like to hear input from our medical professionals on this, but how much is testing capacity related to $$$? I wonder if money would have been better spent instead of giving $1200 checks and unemployment that pays more than people's jobs, had it been put into vastly increasing and speeding up testing? Or even if we put a bajillion dollars into it, would there still be other significant bottlenecks?

The way some new information is looking regarding how many untested people may have had the virus, including with symptoms too mild to notice, the infection vs mortality rate might have let us reopen things a month ago.

For myself, on days in the last couple of months that I've had a little cough or a runny nose, I was wondering if it was just pollen or hey, [paranoid] did I catch the virus? Had there been a quick and easy way for me to get a test (both for the virus and for antibodies), I would have already had myself tested just for the heck of it. With all the restrictions on who can be tested, due to the lack of testing materials and personnel, there was no easy way for me to do that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on May 02, 2020, 09:50:25 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 02, 2020, 09:11:57 AM
I'd like to hear input from our medical professionals on this, but how much is testing capacity related to $$$? I wonder if money would have been better spent instead of giving $1200 checks and unemployment that pays more than people's jobs, had it been put into vastly increasing and speeding up testing? Or even if we put a bajillion dollars into it, would there still be other significant bottlenecks?

The way some new information is looking regarding how many untested people may have had the virus, including with symptoms too mild to notice, the infection vs mortality rate might have let us reopen things a month ago.

For myself, on days in the last couple of months that I've had a little cough or a runny nose, I was wondering if it was just pollen or hey, [paranoid] did I catch the virus? Had there been a quick and easy way for me to get a test (both for the virus and for antibodies), I would have already had myself tested just for the heck of it. With all the restrictions on who can be tested, due to the lack of testing materials and personnel, there was no easy way for me to do that.
You raise a good question. Our politicians were in a rush to throw money out there hey not because it’s an election year.
At risk people and known positives could have sheltered appropriately and much of the healthy world could have continued to function in a less limited way. And dammit they could have kept the public access lakes open for fishing.
I have a part time employee that only wanted to work 2-2.5 days a week or 16-20 hours for the past 3 years. She has never been more than just adequate as an employee. She was averaging around $200 a week pre pandemic. Now she doesn’t want to come back because she got her $1200 impact bonus and is getting unemployment PLUS another $600 per week for being such a pitiful victim of unemployment. IF I tell her we need her back and she says she has concerns about working with the public (she has asthma) or gets sick or has a sick family member, I could be required to pay her full wages for up to 80 hours plus a bunch of other expenses possibly including work comp. and I have to provide PPE etc.
All that small business disaster impact free and loaned money I got will be very soon gone.
So I received about $10k in SBA grants and loans, I’m losing about $10k per month in reduced business income, and my costs and risks going forward are up up up.
Is it to late to just bomb China?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 02, 2020, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Kingcreek on May 02, 2020, 09:50:25 AM

I have a part time employee that only wanted to work 2-2.5 days a week or 16-20 hours for the past 3 years. She has never been more than just adequate as an employee. She was averaging around $200 a week pre pandemic. Now she doesn’t want to come back because she got her $1200 impact bonus and is getting unemployment PLUS another $600 per week for being such a pitiful victim of unemployment. IF I tell her we need her back and she says she has concerns about working with the public (she has asthma) or gets sick or has a sick family member, I could be required to pay her full wages for up to 80 hours plus a bunch of other expenses possibly including work comp. and I have to provide PPE etc.

Are you saying that you could be required to pay full-time wages to someone who has always been a half-time (or less) employee? That doesn't make sense. (But ... we're talking government rules, so who said it has to make sense/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 02, 2020, 10:11:07 AM
More lockdown news

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New Mexico Gov. Lujan Grisham invoked the state’s Riot Control Act to slow the spread of coronavirus and sealed off the roads into and out of the hard-hit city of Gallup, she announced Friday.

To help control a surging outbreak in the city, the Democratic governor locked down the city at the request of Gallup’s mayor, Grisham said in a news release.
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Beginning noon Friday, all roads into the city were shut down and businesses were required to close from 5 p.m. until 8 a.m. in the city of 70,000. Additionally, only two people are allowed in a vehicle at the same time.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-orders-roads-closed-gallup-stop-coronavirus-spread
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 02, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 01, 2020, 11:10:22 PM
The problem is with the number of "confirmed cases".
The actual number of total cases is unknown but we have seen reports from a couple of places that put the suspected total of cases higher by a factor of 10 or more.
I suspect that if we ever get enough testing capacity to cover a significant portion of the population we will find that huge numbers of people carry the anitbody with out ever experiencing any symptoms or had very minor symptoms.

If this is true(probably is), then we already have and have had heard immunity for some time. What we are seeing would then be cases of this "flu" in some of the stragglers. (Your speculation might differ from mine.)

 :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Kingcreek on May 02, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 02, 2020, 10:10:16 AM
Are you saying that you could be required to pay full-time wages to someone who has always been a half-time (or less) employee? That doesn't make sense. (But ... we're talking government rules, so who said it has to make sense/)
No. Her usual wages up to 80 hours
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 02, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/patients-struggle-to-get-uws-touted-test-amid-misinformation-suspicion-about-reliability-of-coronavirus-antibody-tests/

A good article about antibody testing.  So far, the Abbott tests seem to be the most reliable albeit availability is still very limited.  There are a lot of other antibody tests out there but accuracy is suspect.

The issue cited in the article about not being able to order it yet is because there is as yet no widely-available lab interface or orders for the testing built into Epic, the largest electronic medical records system in the country.  Many healthcare systems are having to fall back on paper forms and faxing them to the lab or having the patient hand-carry them to the testing site.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TFerguson on May 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
Sheep make a lot of noise when they are being herded.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 02, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
Cool story bro.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 02, 2020, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: TFerguson on May 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
Sheep make a lot of noise when they are being herded.

That's true. Also, the wolf and the sheepdog best beware that there are a few rams in the flock.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 02, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/mayor-amends-customer-mask-rule-after-workers-allegedly-threatened-with-physical-violence-and-verbal-abuse
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
People losing patience at a Costco.
The usual Costco crowd from my experience is usually a bit more layed backed than lets say Walmart
 
New Rochelle Costco calls cops to help control chaotic crowds
https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/new-york-costco-calls-cops-to-help-control-chaotic-crowds/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 03, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
The new spin is that “open” rallies are rooted in white privilege and racism, and that it’s modern day slavery to expect people to go back to work...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 03, 2020, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 03, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
The new spin is that “open” rallies are rooted in white privilege and racism, and that it’s modern day slavery to expect people to go back to work...


 :facepalm:   The stoopidz .......  iz growin' faster than The Andromeda Strain. [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 03, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
The new spin is that “open” rallies are rooted in white privilege and racism, and that it’s modern day slavery to expect people to go back to work...


Yeah, just saw this on foxnews
But they're been using the Everyone I don't like Is Racist tact for awhile

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer slammed the protesters who gathered inside the state's Capitol building on Thursday to demand she rescind her stay-at-home orders, saying they represented the “worst racism and awful parts” of  U.S. history.

“Some of the outrageousness of what happened at our capitol depicted some of the worst racism and awful parts of our history in this country,” Whitmer said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“The behavior you've seen in all of the clips is not representative of who we are in Michigan,” she added.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigans-whitmer-says-armed-protesters-displayed-worst-racism-and-awful-parts-of-u-s-history
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 03, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Yeah, just saw this on foxnews
But they're been using the Everyone I don't like Is Racist tact for awhile
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigans-whitmer-says-armed-protesters-displayed-worst-racism-and-awful-parts-of-u-s-history

The MSM take is that these people stormed and raided the MI state house, and are terrorists. Yet if you watch videos of the event, the "armed raiders" were standing in line waiting for LE to take their temperatures and admit them, and saying "please" and "thank you". LE looked to be cool with things as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 03, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
The MSM take is that these people stormed and raided the MI state house, and are terrorists. Yet if you watch videos of the event, the "armed raiders" were standing in line waiting for LE to take their temperatures and admit them, and saying "please" and "thank you". LE looked to be cool with things as well.

Facts are racist
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 03, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.

Like that it’s “hitting minority populations harder than whites”
Here in VA several black churches in Richmond ignored the social distancing guidelines and held service.  Guess who had a pastor die?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 03, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 03, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
Like that it’s “hitting minority populations harder than whites”
Here in VA several black churches in Richmond ignored the social distancing guidelines and held service.  Guess who had a pastor die?

It was God's will.   ;)


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 03, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.

It's enough to make one sceptical of the racial disparity they're reporting on Covid cases. =| [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: p12 on May 04, 2020, 07:55:35 AM
I know shutting off an entire town has been discussed. Not sure if it was in this thread or not. If this would be better in a separate thread then please move it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gallup-new-mexico-riot-control-act-roads-closed-coronavirus/

Gallop NM has been shut off (all roads) via checkpoints.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 04, 2020, 08:00:45 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Many on the left have been trying to turn this whole C19 thing into a white vs black race issue since day one.

They have 3  plays in their playbook. That's play #1, so not too surprising.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 04, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: p12 on May 04, 2020, 07:55:35 AM
I know shutting off an entire town has been discussed. Not sure if it was in this thread or not. If this would be better in a separate thread then please move it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gallup-new-mexico-riot-control-act-roads-closed-coronavirus/

Gallop NM has been shut off (all roads) via checkpoints.


Are they blocking I-40? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 04, 2020, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on May 04, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
Are they blocking I-40? 

I'll bet they've just blocked exits 16, 20, 22, and 26.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/cnn-uses-coronavirus-double-standard-to-slam-republican-governor/

Not surprisingly, Big Media is going after Republican governors and praising Democrats, even if the Republicans are doing as well or better.


Also, this:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/coronavirus-shutdowns-expose-the-new-class-divide/

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Sitting in your home office, well supplied with all the necessities by untouchable delivery people, please spare us the “we’re all in this together” pablum. You are sitting in comfortable self-protection only because the delivery people and their brothers and sisters of the new working class are out on-site at their jobs, working to fill your and your fellow elites’ every need.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
I'm confused again.
Am I unfairly privileged or oppressed since I'm essential personnel and have to risk my life and brave the Corona threat everyday?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
I'm confused again.
Am I unfairly privileged or oppressed since I'm essential personnel and have to risk my life and brave the Corona threat everyday?

True dat.  With the added bonus of working in a healthcare facility filled with sick people.  The only saving grace is that when I am in my office with the door shut, I can take off the mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 04, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Just sat through a meeting of the Campus Reopening Committee. What a joke. At least the idea of propping bathroom doors open was blown to smithereens. Grand Idea for Today? Entry checkpoints. What started as a simple IR temp & self-disclosure idea quickly morphed into an overblown system of building checkpoints campus-wide databases.

Short of creating and staffing an entirely new department, there's no way to implement what they're proposing for over a hundred major buildings, another 100 or so ancillary structures, and 7000-plus employees. And that's not counting the time it will take to get all the checkpoint staff HIPAA trained since they'll be taking and logging confidential health info. I'm hoping they get exactly what they're pushing for because it will self-implode the first day.

It's a typical committee of academicians... long on Big Important Ideas and talk, short on actually efficiency and realistic workability. I see them getting some uselessly convoluted and wholly unworkable plan in place just about the time it's no longer needed.

By the end of the meeting I was biting my lip to keep from laughing every time the committee head said "I'm developing a Decision Tree for that" (a flow chart to us peasants). Apparently they are her thing and she doesn't waste an opportunity to make one. From what I hear they can be quite impressive in both scope and scale.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 04, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
I'm confused again.
Am I unfairly privileged or oppressed since I'm essential personnel and have to risk my life and brave the Corona threat everyday?

The way I see it there aren't any "heroes", "privileged" or "oppressed".  It's just people doing their job in the career they've chosen.

Anything else is sensationalism.


Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 04, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Snip:

Short of creating and staffing an entirely new department, there's no way to implement what they're proposing for over a hundred major buildings, another 100 or so ancillary structures, and 7000-plus employees. And that's not counting the time it will take to get all the checkpoint staff HIPAA trained since they'll be taking and logging confidential health info. I'm hoping they get exactly what they're pushing for because it will self-implode the first day.

/Snip

Brad

The bold part got me to thinking of what's being done at work.  Management has a random assortment of untrained people from various dept's taking temperatures and asking health related questions, i.e. How's your sense of smell/taste, how's your stomach, headache, etc.  They're not recording the info.  There are occasionally other's in the area who can hear the questions and answers.

FWIW, according to the thermometer they're using my temp's always been in the 97* to 98* range.  The first day it was 97.1*.  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
Are the last few comments in response to the Federalist article? I believe the writer is saying that some people, who can work remotely, or can afford to miss a few months’ worth of income, don’t understand that some people are going broke because their jobs can’t be done remotely. Or they don’t appreciate that their lock-down lifestyle depends on people that can’t work remotely.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 04, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on May 04, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
FWIW, according to the thermometer they're using my temp's always been in the 97* to 98* range.  The first day it was 97.1*.  ???

Saw an article recently that the 98.6 baseline is actually too high for humans today.

Not that it was wrong, but that our natural temperature has declined as we have far less infection in our bodies under "normal" conditions than in the past (that's the theory, at least). 98.6 was right in the mid-1800s when it was determined, but it's not right anymore. (That's the part with actual data to back it up.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 04, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
According to the HIPAA Journal, simply having a person's name places their information under HIPAA provisions. Search "18 PHI identifiers" for a full list. Can also be see about midway down this page under the "What is PHI" heading.

https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-considered-protected-health-information-under-hipaa/

However, what I'm seeing seems to indicate HIPPAA restrictions only apply if you work in health care. I can't see anything that makes HIPPAA applicable for those not in a healthcare-related role. Maybe Millcreek can enlighten us.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 04, 2020, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 04, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
According to the HIPAA Journal, simply having a person's name places their information under HIPAA provisions. Search "18 PHI identifiers" for a full list. Can also be see about midway down this page under the "What is PHI" heading.

https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-is-considered-protected-health-information-under-hipaa/

However, what I'm seeing seems to indicate HIPPAA restrictions only apply if you work in health care. I can't see anything that makes HIPPAA applicable for those not in a healthcare-related role. Maybe Millcreek can enlighten us.

Brad

I don't think just a name is enough to trigger it; you need some associated actual health info to go with the name.

There was another law with the backronym "HITECH" (I will try to look it up) that applied HIPPAA standards to tech companies and other people who might come across PHI in the course of their work.  (I tend to conflate HIPPAA and GDPR a bit, I have to be on guard for both, although I've not encounted any data in the past 20 years that would be affected.  We won't talk about the data I've seen 25 years ago.  :O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 04, 2020, 03:17:03 PM
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Are the last few comments in response to the Federalist article? I believe the writer is saying that some people, who can work remotely, or can afford to miss a few months’ worth of income, don’t understand that some people are going broke because their jobs can’t be done remotely. Or they don’t appreciate that their lock-down lifestyle depends on people that can’t work remotely.

Mine was more in disgust over the a-holes who are trying to make this whole situation more than it is.  It's not racial, it's not "us" vs "them", it's not about classes of people.

It is what it is.  Some people are more fortunate than others - always.  If things had gone another way, the ones who are currently working wouldn't be and those who aren't would be.

*expletive deleted*it happens.  Deal with it.  Don't try to make the situation something it isn't.  

Life ain't "fair".  Never has been, never will be.  If for no other reason than everyone has their own definition of "fair".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 05:18:10 PM
In order to be subject to the HIPAA regulations, you have to be a 'covered entity' or a 'business associate' of a covered entity engaged in healthcare activities or functions.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/covered-entities/index.html
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Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Hilarious!

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2020, 07:38:21 PM
Man wears KKK hood while grocery shopping in California
https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/man-wears-kkk-hood-while-grocery-shopping-in-california/

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A day after San Diego residents were required to wear face coverings in public, a man went grocery shopping while wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood, according to a report.

Too soon I guess.  

I guess I am assuming the guy was just trying to make a point about mask requirements.  He should realize no one has a sense of humor when it comes to that.  
He should tell everyone he is a democrat candidate and the issue will go away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2020, 07:47:55 PM
Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policy proves tragic
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-coronavirus-nursing-home-policy-proves-tragic-goodwin/

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Mullin had another complaint, too — that the media never asked the governor about an order mandating that nursing homes admit and readmit patients who tested positive for the coronavirus, despite the extraordinary number of deaths among the elderly.
I heard about this over the weekend.  It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people. 

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“That’s a good question. I don’t know,” the governor said.

He turned to Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, who confirmed the policy, saying “if you are positive, you should be admitted back to a nursing home. The necessary precautions will be taken to protect the other residents there.”

The second part of Zucker’s answer is debatable, the first part is not. The disastrous results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2020, 10:02:43 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 04, 2020, 07:47:55 PM
Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policy proves tragic
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-coronavirus-nursing-home-policy-proves-tragic-goodwin/
I heard about this over the weekend.  It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people. 


Sometimes you can chalk it up to stupidity or just plain old incompetence and sometimes ya really got to wonder.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
^^^There was actually more to the nursing home policy than that. The primary goal of the policy was to free up hospital beds that were needed (especially in NYC) for acutely-ill COVID patients.  Every bed that was filled by a patient who could have been discharged to a nursing home was one less bed to handle a COVID or other patient. 

The issue in NYC points up more that there are not enough skilled nursing facility beds to handle acute patients.  Elder care has always been the bastard stepchild of healthcare, and they just don't get enough resources.  And no one ever thinks about it until Mom or themselves have to go to such a facility.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 05, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-may-have-been-present-france-early-december-2970178

Provided it's not a false positive, France may have had the coronavirus present in December.

Which would mean it was here, too and we've been dealing with it for much longer than the "first" case in March.

Remember those stories about how this was a tough flu season?

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article239614573.html

Maybe it wasn't just the flu, but the beginning of the pandemic.
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Post by: bedlamite on May 05, 2020, 08:38:31 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-coronavirus-monoclonal-antibody-potential-treatment-2020-5
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2020, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
^^^There was actually more to the nursing home policy than that. The primary goal of the policy was to free up hospital beds that were needed (especially in NYC) for acutely-ill COVID patients.  Every bed that was filled by a patient who could have been discharged to a nursing home was one less bed to handle a COVID or other patient.  

The issue in NYC points up more that there are not enough skilled nursing facility beds to handle acute patients.  Elder care has always been the bastard stepchild of healthcare, and they just don't get enough resources.  And no one ever thinks about it until Mom or themselves have to go to such a facility.
I have thought about it.  My Mother worked as a nurse for a few years and spent some time working in nursing homes.  She hated it.  She never wants to live in one of those places.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 05, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 04, 2020, 07:47:55 PM
Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus nursing home policy proves tragic
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-coronavirus-nursing-home-policy-proves-tragic-goodwin/
I heard about this over the weekend.  It seems to me this is a policy is guaranteed to spread the virus further among 'at risk people. 


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"That’s a good question. I don’t know,” the governor said.

He turned to Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, who confirmed the policy, saying “if you are positive, you should be admitted back to a nursing home. The necessary precautions will be taken to protect the other residents there.”

Considering that the "necessary precautions" include putting CV-positive patients in negative pressure rooms, which nursing homes don't have, this statement is stunning in its level of idiocy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6
I am not sure if this article provides anything new, but I heard the models that predicted 2.2 Million deaths originated with Professor Neil Ferguson.  And from what I hear, he and his modeling code have a history of overestimating deaths. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQeorYF9A-k
Steven Crowder isn't an authority, but he mentions the same professor and the same modeling code overestimated deaths in past disease flare ups.  I am not certain what articles he is referencing. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2020, 11:05:29 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 04, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
^^^There was actually more to the nursing home policy than that. The primary goal of the policy was to free up hospital beds that were needed (especially in NYC) for acutely-ill COVID patients.  Every bed that was filled by a patient who could have been discharged to a nursing home was one less bed to handle a COVID or other patient. 

The issue in NYC points up more that there are not enough skilled nursing facility beds to handle acute patients.  Elder care has always been the bastard stepchild of healthcare, and they just don't get enough resources.  And no one ever thinks about it until Mom or themselves have to go to such a facility.
On the first paragraph, what exactly are you saying here.  It appears those nursing homes did NOT have the ability to separate infected people from uninfected and sending infected people into those nursing homes only helped spread it among people who are particularly vulnerable.

And thinking about that sort of nonsense, I have to wonder what other boneheaded bureaucratic decisions were made that made their situation worse. 
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Post by: BobR on May 05, 2020, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 05, 2020, 11:05:29 AM
On the first paragraph, what exactly are you saying here.  It appears those nursing homes did NOT have the ability to separate infected people from uninfected and sending infected people into those nursing homes only helped spread it among people who are particularly vulnerable.

And thinking about that sort of nonsense, I have to wonder what other boneheaded bureaucratic decisions were made that made their situation worse. 

What a lot (if not all) nursing homes have been doing is isolating the residents to their rooms. While it is not ideal it is better than the communal setting in most nursing homes for meals, and such.

At the State Veterans Home here it is our only hotspot, staff and residents are testing positive. We have turned one of our floors into a Covid unit and have transferred all of the positive cases from the SVH to our facility. This allows them to continue testing down there, do a deep clean and take some of the pressure off of the staff. Very few, if any, other facilities in the US are able to do something like this.

bob
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Post by: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Well, donned my stupid mask and hit Costco for the first time in over two months.

I got there at 0945 (they were already open) and saw lots of cars, so thought there would be a line, but I walked right in. It was the least crowded I had ever seen the place. Most everything seemed fully stocked, they even had loads of TP, paper towels, and water (I took none since I still have a tears worth of my pre-panic stock  :laugh: ). I saw few people with TP in their carts, and then only one package.

The one thing they were short of was meat. Today was the first day of their "three fresh meat items per shopper" limit. There was some chicken and pork, but not much and little variety. Other than a little ground meat, there were zero beef products. Even the $50 ribeye packs they sell were gone. I guess meat is the new TP. They had lots of fish though, and plenty of meat products in packages. Unrelated, but score for me - they have their Schnitzel packs back in stock. Best packaged schnitzel I've ever had. Almost as good as mom made. I stocked up on five of them.

When I left the store, there was a ridiculous line outside of people waiting to get in as they were apparently limiting number of shoppers, which explains why my shopping experience inside was nicer than usual without dummies blocking me in the middle of every aisle. Maybe they need to make that a standard policy.  :laugh:

I will give them some kudos after ragging on them about the mask requirement and people showing up unaware. They were actually handing free masks out at the front door to anyone who wanted one. They're doing it for this week only though, then everyone is on their own.

I'm going by my local market tomorrow, so will see what the meat situation is there. I'm expecting them to be fully stocked, but you never know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 05, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:08:40 PM


I'm going by my local market tomorrow, so will see what the meat situation is there. I'm expecting them to be fully stocked, but you never know.

People are hoarding meat here too, most stores are limiting how much meat you can buy per purchase. Also listened to the Ag report today, frozen inventories of meat wear still higher now than last year, 1 or 2%. Good old Tyson Foods president sure made a panic when they stated there will be disruptions to the meat supply because of Covid-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: charby on May 05, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
People are hoarding meat here too, most stores are limiting how much meat you can buy per purchase. Also listened to the Ag report today, frozen inventories of meat wear still higher now than last year, 1 or 2%. Good old Tyson Foods president sure made a panic when they stated there will be disruptions to the meat supply because of Covid-19.

Why I was thinking mine might have meat  is as I mentioned before I think they buy all local. Of course if people drive here from the city, that won't matter. I'm not sure where Costco, Albertson's etc get their "fresh" meat. I would think it might be somewhat regional, versus say, a California Costco getting meat from back East or something (at least for beef), but I don't know how it works with the big chains.
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Post by: charby on May 05, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Why I was thinking mine might have meat  is as I mentioned before I think they buy all local. Of course if people drive here from the city, that won't matter. I'm not sure where Costco, Albertson's etc get their "fresh" meat. I would think it might be somewhat regional, versus say, a California Costco getting meat from back East or something (at least for beef), but I don't know how it works with the big chains.

Figuring 5 companies control 85% of the fresh beef and pork meat in the US, probably get their fresh meat from Tyson, JBS, National Beef, Smithfield, ConAgra, or Purdue (poultry).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:36:06 PM
From "The Dead Zone", circa 2003:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1257399587947646978
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 05, 2020, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 05, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Well, donned my stupid mask and hit Costco for the first time in over two months.

I got there at 0945 (they were already open) and saw lots of cars, so thought there would be a line, but I walked right in. It was the least crowded I had ever seen the place. Most everything seemed fully stocked, they even had loads of TP, paper towels, and water (I took none since I still have a tears worth of my pre-panic stock  :laugh: ). I saw few people with TP in their carts, and then only one package.

The one thing they were short of was meat. Today was the first day of their "three fresh meat items per shopper" limit. There was some chicken and pork, but not much and little variety. Other than a little ground meat, there were zero beef products. Even the $50 ribeye packs they sell were gone. I guess meat is the new TP. They had lots of fish though, and plenty of meat products in packages. Unrelated, but score for me - they have their Schnitzel packs back in stock. Best packaged schnitzel I've ever had. Almost as good as mom made. I stocked up on five of them.

When I left the store, there was a ridiculous line outside of people waiting to get in as they were apparently limiting number of shoppers, which explains why my shopping experience inside was nicer than usual without dummies blocking me in the middle of every aisle. Maybe they need to make that a standard policy.  :laugh:

I will give them some kudos after ragging on them about the mask requirement and people showing up unaware. They were actually handing free masks out at the front door to anyone who wanted one. They're doing it for this week only though, then everyone is on their own.

I'm going by my local market tomorrow, so will see what the meat situation is there. I'm expecting them to be fully stocked, but you never know.

I stopped by Kroger yesterday so we could do our day after Cinco de Cuatro celebration today.

I planned to make Chicken Fajitas. Notice the past tense. There was no chicken.

Not, "no chicken breasts." Not "no fresh chicken." There was no chicken, but one nasty looking bag of chicken thighs... which had clearly been left behind for a reason.

So, we had to bite the bullet and have steak fajitas tonight. (There were also smaller amounts of beef and pork, but still available.)

Also zero toilet paper and zero paper towels. I'm actually getting a little concerned as I haven't bought toilet paper in two months now and we're actually getting low. Probably only 2 weeks of supply left and I don't like to be anywhere near that low.

Last check at BJs (Costco competitor) on Friday there was no TP. They did have paper towels, but we're good on those for now.

Meats are definitely getting scarce. No chicken breasts, only a few thighs. Their beef section was picked over (hamburger gone), but there were still a few cuts.

I've also read that some fast food places are rationing meat, as well.  
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Post by: WLJ on May 05, 2020, 06:02:43 PM
[tinfoil]

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Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks, heightening public attention to the working conditions for doctors and medical professionals amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Three Russian doctors fall from hospital windows, raising questions amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/coronavirus/three-russian-doctors-fall-from-hospital-windows-raising-questions-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/article_5353731a-8f19-11ea-89cf-d3185103fade.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2020, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: makattak on May 05, 2020, 04:37:48 PM

Meats are definitely getting scarce. No chicken breasts, only a few thighs. Their beef section was picked over (hamburger gone), but there were still a few cuts.

I've also read that some fast food places are rationing meat, as well.  

All because of MSM reports that there might - might - be a meat shortage. If nothing else, the whole virus thing has shown us some interesting aspects of hoarding and panic mentality. While serious, the virus it isn't thatserious in the SHTF sense. Yet from reactions to this, something only a little worse seems to be all that it would take to actually empty stores, for which the next step would be violence.
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Post by: zxcvbob on May 05, 2020, 11:28:09 PM
Walmart has frozen turkeys (Honeysuckle and Butterball) for $1.48 a pound.  They disappeared right after New Years, but they are back now.  That's not a holidays price for sure, but it's a lot of good eatin' for $27.  I may go get one tomorrow.  Roast it, slice the meat off and freeze 2/3 of it in quart bags, boil the carcass, make a big pot of gumbo for Mothers Day.  (my wife loves my turkey gumbo)  Chicken gumbo kinda needs sausage with it, turkey doesn't.

I've also been digging meat out of the deep freezer and cooking it.  I should have been rotating my stock all along but haven't been; I have steaks and roasts that are several years old.  (if I was honest, which I'm not, some of it would be 10+ years old but most only 2 or 3 years (actually, I'm not so sure about the "most" part))

IMHO there is no meat shortage.  There might be a retail meat shortage and a glut in the commercial (restaurant) market.  Buy your meat in 30 lb boxes and there should be lots of if available -- if places like Sysco will sell to the public.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/chinese-scientist-on-verge-of-very-significant-coronavirus-findings-murdered-in-pittsburgh

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Dr. Bing Liu, 37, who is from China, “was shot multiple times around noon Saturday inside his home in the 200 block of Elm Court,” the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. “Police believe that Mr. Liu was shot by another man — identified later by the Allegheny County Medical Examiner’s Office as Hao Gu, 46, of Pittsburgh — who then got into his car parked about 100 yards away on Charlemagne Circle and killed himself.”

Don't they know it's racist to say that things come from China?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 06, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Regarding meat, I stopped at the local grocery this morning. They weren't fully stocked, but probably 75% of usual. They were just rolling out a big cart of chicken from the back when I was there. They did have a two item limit sign though. I just grabbed one family pack of New York steaks. I have to go to the farm store later today, so maybe I'll stop at their main market in Oregon on the way home and see what that meat counter looks like. That's where their main butcher shop is. Probably pick up another pack of whatever good steak they have for the freezer.

Right now I have probably 10lbs of ground beef and maybe ten various cuts of beef in the freezer, so I'm technically a little low on stock.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 06, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Regarding meat, I stopped at the local grocery this morning. They weren't fully stocked, but probably 75% of usual. They were just rolling out a big cart of chicken from the back when I was there. They did have a two item limit sign though. I just grabbed one family pack of New York steaks. I have to go to the farm store later today, so maybe I'll stop at their main market in Oregon on the way home and see what that meat counter looks like. That's where their main butcher shop is. Probably pick up another pack of whatever good steak they have for the freezer.

Right now I have probably 10lbs of ground beef and maybe ten various cuts of beef in the freezer, so I'm technically a little low on stock.

I guess Steve will be moving on then.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 06, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 06, 2020, 12:04:23 PM
I guess Steve will be moving on then.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 01:12:48 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/healthcare-workers-who-volunteered-to-help-ny-fight-covid-will-have-to-pay-state-income-taxes

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 06, 2020, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 06, 2020, 01:12:48 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/healthcare-workers-who-volunteered-to-help-ny-fight-covid-will-have-to-pay-state-income-taxes



Of course they will. Because leftists are evil.

It's funny that the people who decry the evils of "profit" sure are concerned about making sure they get their cut. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Well yeah, what did they expect?  New York is known for it's taxes.

Although it does beg the question: or what?  If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay?  Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a  lien on your federal taxes?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 01:58:04 PM
I just waiting for the first round of Civil Liberties lawsuits. That's when the real fun will begin.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Where's the beef?

18 percent of Wendy's locations not offering beef items, restaurant analyst says
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/1-in-5-wendys-restaurants-not-offering-beef-analyst-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 06, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Well yeah, what did they expect?  New York is known for it's taxes.

Although it does beg the question: or what?  If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay?  Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a  lien on your federal taxes?
I imagine they would file a lawsuit in the State of New York since that is where they worked.  With NY judges, fighting it would probably be more expensive than the taxes.  I am not sure how it would work in criminal court. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Well yeah, what did they expect?  New York is known for it's taxes.


I really doubt many people outside of NY or it's surrounding states know anything about NY's tax policies. And I doubt many of those out-of-state workers thought about it when they signed up. I hope it was still worth their while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 06, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
I have no problem with them paying taxes in the state in which it was earned. It is one of the pitfalls of working in multiple states.

When I was a traveling nurse it was not unusual to have to file taxes in 3 or so states. I don't know how many of these health-care workers were volunteers in the sense they went there for no pay, oh probably none. When this first started I was getting 3 or 4 emails a day telling me how much money (up to 5K a week) I could make by doing a travel assignment in NYC. A lot of travel companies will decrease the pay and maximize the per diem and housing so it looks like you made less money during a travel assignment.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: BobR on May 06, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
I have no problem with them paying taxes in the state in which it was earned. It is one of the pitfalls of working in multiple states.


They're certainly within their rights to do it. It just looks terrible for the state to be so hard-up for help, and beg people to come in and put themselves at risk of catching the plague, and then hit them up for tax money. Especially when that tax money won't benefit those out-of-state people in any way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 06, 2020, 05:21:09 PM
It may look bad from your point of view which I can understand. I look at it as many people flocked to the state to work because they were going to be able to make quite a bit more money that they would have if they stayed where they were at or if between jobs. They saw a chance to make the big bucks, took it and now have to pay the taxes on it. I guess it depends on how you look at it and how you perceive the reason for the people going there to work.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 06, 2020, 05:26:18 PM
And then depending on home state they get to pay taxes on that money again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on May 06, 2020, 05:41:40 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 01:58:04 PM
I just waiting for the first round of Civil Liberties lawsuits. That's when the real fun will begin.

Brad

Hell, yeah.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 05, 2020, 06:02:43 PM
[tinfoil]

Three Russian doctors fall from hospital windows, raising questions amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.wdrb.com/news/coronavirus/three-russian-doctors-fall-from-hospital-windows-raising-questions-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/article_5353731a-8f19-11ea-89cf-d3185103fade.html

I'm sure it's just a coincidence ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 06, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/chinese-scientist-on-verge-of-very-significant-coronavirus-findings-murdered-in-pittsburgh

Don't they know it's racist to say that things come from China?

So a more politically correct report would have been, "Somebody shot someone, and then shot himself"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Well yeah, what did they expect?  New York is known for it's taxes.

Although it does beg the question: or what?  If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay?  Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a  lien on your federal taxes?

But this isn't taxing income earned in New York. This is making volunteers who had income from other sources pay tax on all income -- from all sources -- they received while they were volunteering (as in, working without pay) in New York.

This is beneath contempt.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 06, 2020, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:24:50 PM
So a more politically correct report would have been, "Somebody shot someone, and then shot himself"?

Nope. You assumed xis gender.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 06, 2020, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
I'm sure it's just a coincidence ...

So I have been working in healthcare for 44 years, have met thousands of physicians, and as far as I know, not one of them has fallen out a hospital window.  Amazing coincidences in the Rodina, I guess.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 06, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 06, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
But this isn't taxing income earned in New York. This is making volunteers who had income from other sources pay tax on all income -- from all sources -- they received while they were volunteering (as in, working without pay) in New York.

This is beneath contempt.

Now that I can see the article, yes you are absolutely right. Frickin DB of a state.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 07, 2020, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: BobR on May 06, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Now that I can see the article, yes you are absolutely right. Frickin DB of a state.

bob

A friend of mine, an RN, had the chance to leave the relative safety of her work-from-home health insurance gig in the Midwest; to make considerably more in NYC. In a hospital, I assume. So I guess I don't think of it as cashing in. More like making hazard pay for a riskier detail.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2020, 02:08:32 AM
One of my friends actually resigned from her full time job at a hospital in FL to go to NYC and help out.  The hospital she worked at wouldn't OK an open ended leave of abcense.  Now, she'll probably get rehired, but still, she left her full time gig w/ retirement for a short time gig with good pay, but no benefits and much more risk because the people of NYC said they needed help.

I'm not surprised at all the NY wants taxes.  They absolutly should waive those taxes, but I'm not surprised they aren't going to.  I am a little surprised they think they have a claim on taxes from income that was generated out of state just because the person worked there.  I am sure I would not disclose any income to NYS that wasn't generated by orking there.

That said, while I'm sure this compies with NY's laws, and it's not surprising to me in the least, I think it should definately be remembered the next time NY asks for help from the rest of the country.....Oh wait, they are asking fo rit now.  That same article says if the Feds don't give them our money horrible things will happen.

I am reminded of the story of the Frog and the Scorpion.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
LA City to "commandeer" hotels that won't take in the homeless.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-city-council-votes-to-name-hotels-that-refuse-to-house-homeless-may-commandeer-them
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
Burn it to the ground.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 07, 2020, 10:22:57 AM
Quote from: dogmush on May 07, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
Burn it to the ground.

Well, after being forced to house the homeless, that's likely the only option the owners will have left to sanitize their hotels.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 07, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
https://inside.upmc.com/shapiro-economy-roundtable/

Head of a Pennsylvania Hospital system says to stop the shutdowns.

Also, he's clearly an extremely intelligent man (because he agrees with me):

Quote
Epidemiologic prediction models have performed poorly often neglecting critical variables. Seasonality is rarely considered, yet we know that coronaviruses are seasonal. Hope is not a plan, but it is quite possible that the virus is not very healthy in the U.S. right now.

I've been more than certain summer was going to kill this virus.

And, I agree that our models have been terrible and we are over-reacting.

Obviously, THIS expert is the one we should be listening to. (For those who worship at the "LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS!!!!" altar.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 07, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Well yeah, what did they expect?  New York is known for it's taxes.

Although it does beg the question: or what?  If yo don't live, or go to, New York and have no intention to return what happens if you decline to pay?  Do they have some sort of interstate extradition compact? Can they put a  lien on your federal taxes?

Maybe not on your feral taxes, but there are a lot of "compacts" between states. Example: A few years ago, 2014, I was denied a renewal of my Oklahoma driver's license because TWENTY-FIVE YEARS PRIOR, in 1989, I left Massachusetts with my vehicle, and registered it here. Naturally, I didn't renew my Massachusetts vehicle registration that year and Massachusetts deemed it was just "overlooked" and therefore, overdue. I paid the stupid fee($125.00) as it was cheaper than fighting it.

I had to call the Massachusetts DMV to secure the documents necessary to get a release and I raised the question about any statute of limitations that might apply, and it seems there is no statute of limitations in this "compact". I also discovered that this "compact" was passed/approved by the US Congress. So, I guess not paying a fee is as dastardly as committing murder since there is no statute of limitations on either.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 07, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
Maybe not on your feral taxes, but there are a lot of "compacts" between states.

I find those to be evil. I nearly had the same vehicle registration problem when I left CA. As long as there are states in the compacts with onerous laws/regulations, they end up being the only ones that benefit from the other states doing their dirty work for them.

On the NY taxes, related, they also "allowed" Samaritan's Purse in when it was a benefit to them. Then, when they started getting other help, they apparently told SP to leave because "diversity".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 07, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 07, 2020, 10:41:54 AM


On the NY taxes, related, they also "allowed" Samaritan's Purse in when it was a benefit to them. Then, when they started getting other help, they apparently told SP to leave because "diversity".

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 07, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Holy cow, beef box meat prices. (per hundred weight)
Just heard the noon day cash market prices. (0-21 day delivery prices)

Choice 456.76
Select  444.10

That is a $80 increase since Monday.

No word on frozen inventory counts today, must be a Friday thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Just stopped at my grocery store's main store in OR, where their main butcher shop is. Fully stocked on all meats. Three item limit instead of the two item limit at my store. Picked up some flat iron steak for me and some chicken thighs to cook up for the dog and cat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 07, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
https://www.boredpanda.com/coop-schooling-lockdown-retired-marine/?cexp_id=28276&cexp_var=21&_f=featured

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1255225689390841859-png__700.jpg)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2020, 02:45:39 PM
It's looking like NYC has been the primary source for virus spread:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/07/ted-cruz-zings-new-york-city-after-breaking-its-disgusting-115-year-streak/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 07, 2020, 07:09:32 PM
Being a farty old man, I wonder if the covid can be passed by passing gas...  So far, all I know about passing gas is that it helps with the social distancing.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 07, 2020, 07:09:32 PM
Being a farty old man, I wonder if the covid can be passed by passing gas...  So far, all I know about passing gas is that it helps with the social distancing.  :old:

Woody

Oh the horror of the trenches
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 09:31:19 PM
Wonder how much there is to this?

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 07, 2020, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 09:31:19 PM
Wonder how much there is to this?

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

So, all those people defying the orders to stay off the beaches, out of the parks, and etc. were doing the right thing after all. (Let's all get naked and put an end to this!)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 07, 2020, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 09:31:19 PM
Wonder how much there is to this?

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

It's not new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
And "Chinese virus" is now officially hate speech and subject to law enforcement action. In San Antonio anyways.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/07/hate-speech-is-more-dangerous-than-the-virus-itself-san-antonio-city-council-votes-to-classify-chinese-virus-as-hate-speech/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 10:23:21 PM
But Spanish Flu is okay right?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 08, 2020, 08:33:18 AM
How about Black Death?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 08, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
From what I hear on the youtubes, videos get removed and channels get struck if they mention coronavirus, COVID-19 or China too much.  I have seen channels refer to it as The Voldemort or beer virus or just show a picture of a Corona bottle. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/exploding-meteor-the-source-of-the-loud-boom-heard-across-puget-sound-wednesday?fbclid=IwAR10knSMiDLo8-azvsy7X5wpnOMIFlmHeRFe-uhnmUJMi1A1_a8OfvilgpE

SMOD fails to take out Seattle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 08, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/exploding-meteor-the-source-of-the-loud-boom-heard-across-puget-sound-wednesday?fbclid=IwAR10knSMiDLo8-azvsy7X5wpnOMIFlmHeRFe-uhnmUJMi1A1_a8OfvilgpE

SMOD fails to take out Seattle.

Damn, at least the targeting is right even if the range is off a little bit. That can be fixed with the next rock.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 08, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 09:31:19 PM
Wonder how much there is to this?

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

Well, I'm taking vitamin D ......  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 08, 2020, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
https://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/exploding-meteor-the-source-of-the-loud-boom-heard-across-puget-sound-wednesday?fbclid=IwAR10knSMiDLo8-azvsy7X5wpnOMIFlmHeRFe-uhnmUJMi1A1_a8OfvilgpE

SMOD fails to take out Seattle.

Disappointed I am yet hopeful I remain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 08, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
Also still have more beef, pork, and chicken in frozen storage than they did a year ago.

Someone(s) is screwing the rest of us with holding inventories for higher prices.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 08, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on May 08, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
Well, I'm taking vitamin D ......  [tinfoil]

I live in the Northwest, taking Vitamin D is a standard thing up here! :(

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/upshot/health-jobs-plummeting-virus.html

I wonder if this will be the new normal. From the ambulatory side, I see telemedicine as continuing and growing after the current crisis goes away. A lot of the smaller or independent hospitals and medical practices are either going to close or be acquired by someone larger.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on May 08, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
For Ben and Millcreek

(https://i.redd.it/puzqvudhhgx41.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 08, 2020, 01:59:13 PM
I hope the out-of-state workers put together a class-action suit against New York. It would fall, of course, but the state government should be forced to own what they're doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 08, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 08, 2020, 01:59:13 PM
I hope the out-of-state workers put together a class-action suit against New York. It would fall, of course, but the state government should be forced to own what they're doing.

For what, racketeering?  (that would be interesting...)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 08, 2020, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: adively on May 08, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
For Ben and Millcreek

[img]https://i.redd.it/puzqvudhhgx41.jpg

 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 08, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/upshot/health-jobs-plummeting-virus.html

I wonder if this will be the new normal. From the ambulatory side, I see telemedicine as continuing and growing after the current crisis goes away.

Millcreek (or any of the professional healthcare folks here), what, in your opinion, is the current state of telemedicine? My insurance offers it, but I've never tried it. I'm amenable to it as part of my health care, but don't know much about benefits vs detriments.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: adively on May 08, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
For Ben and Millcreek

(https://i.redd.it/puzqvudhhgx41.jpg)

If this was available, we would have it at the hospital and clinics entrances!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on May 08, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
Think about you visits to the Dr, did you really need to be there? Now that they can bill the same for a video visit as they do a face to face there isn't much  of a reason to have you come in. I dont see a lot of need to actually see a Dr. in person uses you need them to a actually listen to your lungs or something to make a diagnosis. The VA has been doing telemedicine for a while and it works well.i think the general medical community will embrace it and it will just get better.

Bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 08, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
Millcreek (or any of the professional healthcare folks here), what, in your opinion, is the current state of telemedicine? My insurance offers it, but I've never tried it. I'm amenable to it as part of my health care, but don't know much about benefits vs detriments.

One interesting thing that has come out of the COVID crisis has been the tremendous upsurge in virtual visits, usually via Zoom or other video messaging platforms. What really got this started is that the Feds said they would pay for it, and then they subsequently said they would pay for it at the same rate as an office visit.  Many of the private payors (Premera, the Blues, Kaiser, etc.) followed suit.  We think that once the nose, and then the body, of the camel is inside the tent, it will be difficult to pull the camel back out.  So we are planning that reimbursement for virtual visits is here to stay.

There are many types of office visits that can be done virtually just as well as you in a gown sitting on the exam table. Obviously not anything requiring a procedure, an immunization or palpating your abdomen or the like, but routine followups, refills of meds, psychotherapy, adjusting meds based on lab values, monitoring of chronic conditions and new onset of minor illnesses (URI, UTI, a rash) can in many cases be done virtually.  We are thinking that maybe up to 50% of primary care visits can be done this way.  

We have been doing them for just over three weeks now and the majority of patients love it.  Especially the elderly who are nervous about coming into the hospital or clinic due to concerns over COVID exposure.  The young techy patients also love it.  They don't have to get dressed up, drive to the office, park, and sit in the waiting room, so it is much more efficient for the patient's time.  Some of the providers like it and others are more 'meh' about it.  

I think if you have the opportunity, you should try it and see how you like it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 08, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 08, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
Millcreek (or any of the professional healthcare folks here), what, in your opinion, is the current state of telemedicine? My insurance offers it, but I've never tried it. I'm amenable to it as part of my health care, but don't know much about benefits vs detriments.

I'm not a healthcare professional, but I'm finding the limitations of "telemedicine."

Case 1: My cardiologist. I have a 6-month follow-up appointment for next week. I've been informed that it will be a "virtual" appointment. I don't know what virtual meeting app or program or system his practice uses, but it doesn't matter because I use a desktop computer that doesn't have a microphone and doesn't have a web cam. So it's going to be telephonic.

At every "real" appointment, before I see the doctor they take vitals and run an EKG. Obviously, they can't do that over the phone -- even if I had a web cam. As it happens, a few years ago the VA hospital set me up with a blood pressure machine, which also records pulse rate. And a couple of years ago I bought a pulse oximeter. And I own a scale. So I can take vitals. My cardiologist knows this, because I've shared my personal records with him in the past. Coincidentally (for those who believe in coincidence), not long before the coronavirus arrived I bought from Amazon a "personal EKG." It's a little, hand-held device. It doesn't produce a hospital-grade, 12-lead EKG, but ti does produce a graph, which I can download, print, and forward to the doctor. I showed it to the doc at my last appointment and he thought it was cute. Now he thinks it's great, because I can run EKGs for a day or three before the appointment and upload those along with my vitals, and he'll have something to look at when we talk.

Case 2: I had a call today from one of the doctors at the VA hospital, in response to a question I had left several days ago about a possible injection where I had cut a toe. He wanted to do a virtual appointment. They use an app called Doximity. The deal was that he called on my cell phone, not my home phone. (I didn't know they had my cell phone number -- shame on me for letting them get it.) He said he was going to hang up, send me a message from/through Doximity, and I could tap the message and that was supposed to initiate a face-to-face session in which I could use the phone's camera to let him look at the toe.

He hung up. I received the message. When I tapped it to start the chat session, I was prompted to agree to allow the app to access my phone's camera and microphone. I agreed to both ... and then I got an error message that the app had not been able to access my camera and microphone. I went through this three times, and then I gave up. The doc called back later and I explained that the connection hadn't worked for me. So I used a regular digital camera to take photos of the toe, which I then uploaded through the VA's My HealtheVet system, and he was able to access the photos from that. He then called me back and we were able to finish the discussion.

Bottom line: I'm not at all convinced that telemedicine is ready for prime time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
^^^I find this fascinating, since the VA has been one of the leaders in telemedicine for years.  They don't have to worry about getting paid, so they were a very early adopter.  Connecting virtually with the elderly has been our most challenging patient population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on May 08, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 08, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
^^^I find this fascinating, since the VA has been one of the leaders in telemedicine for years.  They don't have to worry about getting paid, so they were a very early adopter.  Connecting virtually with the elderly has been our most challenging patient population.

Considering that you're referring to Hawkmoon, I suspect it's a paywall problem that he ran into.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on May 08, 2020, 09:57:12 PM
I had a telemedicine visit 2 weeks ago with my dermatologist and it was great.  His nurse contacted me 1 week before and went over all the standard pre-visit questions.  She asked me to take pictures of the areas that is was concerned about and be ready to upload them before the visit through MyChart.  I did as instructed and on the day and time of the appointment, I went into a conference room at work and clicked on a link that I was sent and had my visit.  The doctor reviewed my pictures and told me what he was looking for, which was a thinning of the skin from too much steroid cream.  He didn’t see any in my pictures and from my answers he said I was good, so he authorized my refill.  Overall it was a great visit and I would do it again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 08, 2020, 10:12:49 PM
My wife had her last appointment with her breast doctor via telemed/webcam. She had to show the boobie on the webcam.  I tease here about being a webcam porn girl now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 08, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
I like the virtual visit idea.  Both hospitals I go to are over 100mi round trip.

So far I've only had one virtual visit.  It was supposed to have been done via computer (I had to buy a separate mic 'specially for the visit), but wasn't.  The nurse called before the actual visit was to start and tried to get me connected - it didn't work & she didn't know why.  Instead, the doc called the home phone & I put her on speakerphone so DW could listen.  Since it was just a follow-up on a test we were able to finish the visit satisfactorily.

If it's offered again I'll do it.  Beats the hell out of spending 3 to 4 hours in the car.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on May 08, 2020, 10:31:15 PM
I’ve been using Teladoc for four years now, work provides it as part of our health benefits. No copay required. It’s AWESOME for routine *expletive deleted*it like getting meds for sinus infections (the main thing I use it for) and the kind of stuff where you pretty much know what you need you just can’t write a prescription for it yourself. I don’t have to take off work for little visits like that and I can have the appointment on my way home from work and pick up the meds at the drive through of the pharmacy in my hometown.

If I have something to show the doc like a weird rash or something I can show them via video. It’s nice and I bet it saves a ton of money. It’s also nice because I can get the consult done at 9pm at night on a Friday. When I was a kid that’s when I always got sick and had to spend a weekend in misery until Monday morning but now I have meds within an hour and usually feel better the next day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 09, 2020, 01:11:41 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 08, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Considering that you're referring to Hawkmoon, I suspect it's a paywall problem that he ran into.

Probably not too far off.

When I first got this cell phone I read an article on protecting your privacy, and I followed the article's steps through turning off location data and giving apps access to the camera and microphone. (Which wasn't hard, since I don't do apps. If there's an app on my cell phone, it was put there by Verizon.) So it's possible the Doximity app the doctor was using encountered difficulty accessing my camera and microphone even though I tapped the box to authorize it.

I dunno. It's an Android phone (Samsung), and I find Android to be totally baffling. I know Android is supposed to be easy -- for me, it's anything but easy.

- - - - - - - -
For what it's worth, the doc I spoke with mentioned that the hospital will re-open the clinics as of June 1. So I guess the VA thinks the pandemic is somewhat under control. I hope they're right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2020, 08:32:31 AM
Looks like C19 claimed Roy of Siegfried & Roy. He was 75

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/roy-horn-dead-covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 09, 2020, 11:25:57 AM
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-09/was-the-coronavirus-made-in-a-wuhan-lab-heres-what-the-genetic-evidence-shows

Based upon the current data, there is a growing consensus that the COVID virus mutated naturally in the wild to jump to humans, and it was not engineered in a lab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: adively on May 08, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
For Ben and Millcreek

(https://i.redd.it/puzqvudhhgx41.jpg)

Along those lines

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    Singapore deploys Spot robot to patrol parks and remind people to socially distance – The Verge https://t.co/sNE9ATI4Pi

    — Rhys Evans (@kebabman) May 8, 2020

IT BEGINS: Singapore is testing out a robot to help enforce social distancing rules
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/08/it-begins-singapore-is-testing-out-a-robot-to-help-enforce-social-distancing-rules/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 09, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 09, 2020, 11:25:57 AM
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-09/was-the-coronavirus-made-in-a-wuhan-lab-heres-what-the-genetic-evidence-shows

Based upon the current data, there is a growing consensus that the COVID virus mutated naturally in the wild to jump to humans, and it was not engineered in a lab.

The Nature article specifically states there is no way to prove or disprove the hypothesis.

The LA Times says:

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The coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2, which was isolated from a COVID-19 patient in the U.S. Scientists say there’s no evidence to support the idea that the virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory.(National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases)

Like the virus whose origin it purports to explain, the following conjecture refuses to die: The novel coronavirus was cooked up in a Chinese lab and either escaped or was intentionally released.

There's a difference between "escaped from a lab" and "manufactured in a lab". The intelligence community still seems to think there is credible evidence for one of the many hypotheses out there: That the Chinese were looking at ways to fight a natural bat virus and that bad lab protocols allowed that virus to escape. They could also have been studying natural mutation as well. The virus could still be both a natural mutation and released by humans.

Honestly, the LA Times article reeks of "Chinese virus is racist." Generally, when articles, including scientific articles, include some phrasing of "orange man bad", I look at them skeptically. The reporter could have easily written that article without including Trump bashing. Especially as it was in the Times' "science" section, not the politics section.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 09, 2020, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 09, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
Along those lines

IT BEGINS: Singapore is testing out a robot to help enforce social distancing rules
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/08/it-begins-singapore-is-testing-out-a-robot-to-help-enforce-social-distancing-rules/

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/06/surreal-drone-with-speakers-flies-over-manhattan-urging-new-yorkers-to-maintain-social-distancing-905462
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 09, 2020, 03:16:31 PM
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/06/surreal-drone-with-speakers-flies-over-manhattan-urging-new-yorkers-to-maintain-social-distancing-905462

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/56/28/9356286c9caf9ae340aa7ae7d6fd33c7.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 10, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
I'm not Steven Crowder's biggest fan, but here is a compilation of him calling attention to the fish-tank-cleaner-killer lady from 3rd April onward. It wasn't until late April that the local police revealed they were investigating it as a possible murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ptTFmzJWfg
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 11, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
And now we learn that COVID-19 is ... SEXIST!

https://news.trust.org/item/20200510222331-y953v
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 11, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
Something is up, Iowa is supposed to be fully open next week, but I'm spending most of this week doing a bunch of social distancing experiments related to my job.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 11, 2020, 11:08:52 AM

I agree with Ben about that article sounding like a put-up spin story.

My first "ding" on it was,

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The story [about it escaping from a lab] has all the earmarks of a conspiracy theory.And it has drawn support from the highest levels of the U.S. government. [Italics theirs.]

I'm getting pretty good at picking up on spam lingo and I'm sure learning about political spin lingo.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 11, 2020, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 11, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
And now we learn that COVID-19 is ... SEXIST!

https://news.trust.org/item/20200510222331-y953v

So, NOW this disease which tends to kill off the elderly (who cost China $$$ but don't produce much for them) ALSO tends to kill off men more than women... and China has a massive surplus of men. But it CLEARLY wasn't engineered. Not at all.


I'll just adjust my tinfoil hat and whistle along....


(Yes, it is in all likelihood a coincidence. Most diseases affect men and the elderly more, anyway. AND if they were really trying to kill off their surplus population, they'd have had a much higher fatality rate.  I'm still gonna push the "China developed a Logan's Run disease!", anyway, because China is asshoe.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
But they're been saying for awhile that women are suffering more and are the real victims just like they were during WW-I
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 11, 2020, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: fistful on May 10, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
I'm not Steven Crowder's biggest fan, but here is a compilation of him calling attention to the fish-tank-cleaner-killer lady from 3rd April onward. It wasn't until late April that the local police revealed they were investigating it as a possible murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ptTFmzJWfg

https://news.trust.org/item/20200510222331-y953v

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/homicide-cops-investigate-death-of-man-who-drank-chloroquine/

https://nationalfile.com/death-man-fish-tank-cleaner-murder/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 11, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
I wonder if the effects of this corona virus varies by sex, race, blood type, health conditions, and any of the many variables between us all. I think it would make an interesting study that might lead to some tools to fight this virus or at least aid in identifying risk factors.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 11, 2020, 12:17:02 PM
https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/news/covid-19-and-firearms-united-states

More guns equals more suicides by guns.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 11, 2020, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 11, 2020, 12:17:02 PM
https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/news/covid-19-and-firearms-united-states

More guns equals more suicides by guns.

Of course it does. What it doesn't equal is "more suicides," as guns are simply one means. Other means are substituted when guns are not readily available.

It's one of the lies the left likes to use. GUNS CAUSE SUICIDES!!!! No, they are simply a quick means to perpetrate it. Lots of other ones that are less efficient, but just as deadly are around.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2020, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 11, 2020, 12:17:02 PM
https://www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com/news/covid-19-and-firearms-united-states

More guns equals more suicides by guns.

Quote
Only 16 states have effective firearm storage legislation. Federal buyback programs could provide an appropriate means for people to dispose of guns and offer necessary economic incentives to do so. The report recomends “smart guns,” which restrict use through biometrics, should be made available for sale in the U.S.

Sounds like they just want gun control. If someone buys a firearm, and later shoots themselves with it, what do storage or biometrics have to do with it? They have the combo to their safe and the fingerprint that activates the smart gun. Those are more "for the children" gun control methods.

If I instituted all the nanny stuff the medical community has been pushing since the virus, I could never leave my home again, and my home would be padded so I couldn't accidentally hurt myself.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 12:33:56 PM
I have almost no doubt that televisions = more suicides
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 11, 2020, 12:37:44 PM
Quote
Only 16 states have effective firearm storage legislation. Federal buyback programs could provide an appropriate means for people to dispose of guns and offer necessary economic incentives to do so. The report recomends “smart guns,” which restrict use through biometrics, should be made available for sale in the U.S.

 :laugh: There's so much stupid there, I'll just pick on that first part. "I wanted to kill myself, but I had just locked up my gun, and didn't feel like unlocking it. Thanks, Governor Nanny, for forcing me to lock it up!"

I suppose they're talking about situations like teenagers using their parents' guns to top themselves, but it's still very funny that they believe gun storage laws are "effective."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 11, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: makattak on May 11, 2020, 12:30:27 PM
Of course it does. What it doesn't equal is "more suicides," as guns are simply one means. Other means are substituted when guns are not readily available.

It's one of the lies the left likes to use. GUNS CAUSE SUICIDES!!!! No, they are simply a quick means to perpetrate it. Lots of other ones that are less efficient, but just as deadly are around.

Just ... WOW!

Quote
In March 2020, gun sales rose up 85% compared to sales in March 2019. These are the highest firearm sales ever recorded in the U.S., the report says. Those who purchase handguns have a 22-fold higher rate of firearm-related suicide within the first year than those who did not purchase a handgun, the report says.

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I think even I can figure out that people who own a gun probably have a statistically higher probability of using a gun to commit suicide than people who don't own a gun.

Remember, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 11, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: charby on May 11, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
Something is up, Iowa is supposed to be fully open next week, but I'm spending most of this week doing a bunch of social distancing experiments related to my job.

Your employer might not want to be "fully open." 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2020, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 12:33:56 PM
I have almost no doubt that televisions = more suicides
Include social media.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Just for the memory. 
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259654554985127936
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Here is Andrew Cuomo’s March 25th executive order requiring nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 11, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 11, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
Your employer might not want to be "fully open." 

I work for the government (state and fed)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2020, 04:38:06 PM
It's now the "European virus". Because it's fine naming names when it's just a bunch of frogs, krauts, and wops. Stupid European white people.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/11/ccp-approved-messaging-gov-andrew-cuomo-has-a-new-name-for-covid-19-a-fresh-dem-media-talking-point-is-born/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
What the &%$#@! is wrong with these people???????????????????????
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 11, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 11, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
What the &%$#@! is wrong with these people???????????????????????

They are treasonous vermin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 12, 2020, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: charby on May 11, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
I work for the government (state and fed)

Ah.  Fed as well. We're on a severe distancing schedule for the foreseeable future. Probably until mid June with skeleton crews.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on May 12, 2020, 08:02:05 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 12, 2020, 07:57:00 AM
Ah.  Fed as well. We're on a severe distancing schedule for the foreseeable future. Probably until mid June with skeleton crews.

Not much traffic out there for you to handle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 12, 2020, 08:40:56 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96722237_4319577714722754_1649050893707902976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=aouiM50v9QgAX-WPspq&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ebdaccccbccf4450712fe65867785608&oe=5EE139D3)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 12, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 12, 2020, 08:40:56 AM
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Word. A good friend of mine was attacked by a murder wasp, and he tried fending it off with an ordinary hunting rifle. The bullets just bounced off. Luckily, he was able to grab his AR-14. ARs have that .223 ammo, that's huge and super-powerful, and explodes inside the body. He went fully semi-automatic on that wasp, and killed it. He later died from the 5G covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 12, 2020, 10:35:30 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXxLS7kX0AAdWNJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 12, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
Well, in the midst of all the doom and gloom ... here's a really pessimistic appraisal by an expert on infectious diseases:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/11/coronavirus-expert-michael-osterholm-warns-virus-spread-far-from-over/3108333001/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 12, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/05/did-we-lockdown-some-parts-of-america-too-early.html

Always nice when people I know are smart agree with me.

I've been decrying the stupidity of locking down areas without an outbreak for 2 months.

Glad to see some of the smart people coming around to that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 12, 2020, 10:00:05 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/97289256_137247284587927_7895814898544803840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=qquGr1iCTlMAX9VFYx_&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=79a03316ae2fb24a5e17affaf2827d59&oe=5EE0B731)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 12, 2020, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 12, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
Well, in the midst of all the doom and gloom ... here's a really pessimistic appraisal by an expert on infectious diseases:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/11/coronavirus-expert-michael-osterholm-warns-virus-spread-far-from-over/3108333001/
 

In my experience "experts"  often have disparate opinions. 

And covid 19 is still not completely understood ....but it's still not THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 13, 2020, 08:29:40 AM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96586060_10220363940361317_4752872713117237248_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=D8XlesFhijYAX9CPOWp&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=5d68e1c23fdca2e4c65543720afb56df&oe=5EDFF25D)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 13, 2020, 08:36:47 AM
https://vt.co/news/lockdown-spotted-carrying-launcher-as-he-ventures-outside/?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR1ll1CpdPlwU-nCoMzqq3ywOsoi5LuB3KOZ3TOIkONFvmVvxNNnbUW5lvs

See the last sentence of the article.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 13, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
For Ron: some of the Seattle REI stores are opening for curbside pickup.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/retail/rei-plans-to-reopen-six-seattle-area-stores-this-week-customers-will-be-asked-but-not-required-to-wear-face-coverings/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on May 13, 2020, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: Donald Trump (March 6)
Anybody that wants a test can get a test.
As of today, this is true in my county.
We have two drive through testing locations and they just opened them up to everyone - don't need to have symptoms or be an essential worker or anything, just make an appointment first.
There is a meat packing plant here and we have the highest infection rate in the state, but this is a good sign of progress for getting things reopened.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 13, 2020, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 13, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
For Ron: some of the Seattle REI stores are opening for curbside pickup.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/retail/rei-plans-to-reopen-six-seattle-area-stores-this-week-customers-will-be-asked-but-not-required-to-wear-face-coverings/

I wonder if you can get curbside service in Reno, Nevada ...  [popcorn]

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 13, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 13, 2020, 10:50:30 AM
I wonder if you can get curbside service in Reno, Nevada ...  [popcorn]

Woody

Virtual slots?

Call in, give the casino a credit card number, they have a worker pick up tokens and put them in a machine for you and, if "you" win, you can pick up your winnings at a drive-through window.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 13, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 13, 2020, 10:50:30 AM
I wonder if you can get curbside service in Reno, Nevada ...  [popcorn]

Woody

Not curbside, but Tacos Tacos Tacos Tacos can take care of you on the roof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GM_8xsWH3E
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 13, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
They can't be serious. Greta Thunberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/

Edited to correct last name spelling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 13, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 13, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
They can't be serious. Greta Thornberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/

Somebody has to be trolling
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 13, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 13, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Somebody has to be trolling

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1260555428100026368

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beyond-parody-cnn-taps-greta-thunberg-for-expert-coronavirus-panel
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 13, 2020, 12:02:45 PM
Been saying we're living in a Monty Python sketch for awhile now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 13, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Can't make up my mind whether this is a step up or a step down for CNN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 13, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 13, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
They can't be serious. Greta Thornberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/

"This distrust of experts has really gotten out of hand. We've got to do something!"

"Sir, I have an idea. What if we called the one person most qualified and most trusted in the whole world? Someone beyond bias, beyond emotion, beyond politics, someone to whom maudlin grandstanding is utterly unknown? Someone everyone knows to be an expert in viral pandemics and how to handle them?"

"You don't mean..."

"Yes, Greta Thunberg!"

"Oh! Well's that an excellent idea. I thought you were going to say David Hogg, but Greta would be just as good. Let's make this happen."



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 13, 2020, 04:08:18 PM
Finally got a haircut today.  The barbershop was only letting in one person to wait while one person was in the chair.  She had a number reel outside with a "now serving" display.  She also asked customers to use hand sanitizer or wash their hands when they entered. 

Not sure how much all that helps, but think most of that is required. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 13, 2020, 08:36:47 AM
https://vt.co/news/lockdown-spotted-carrying-launcher-as-he-ventures-outside/?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR1ll1CpdPlwU-nCoMzqq3ywOsoi5LuB3KOZ3TOIkONFvmVvxNNnbUW5lvs

See the last sentence of the article.

"Blue Ignoo"?  Well, OK then.

(The article didn't pick up on the obfuscation of boogaloo.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 13, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
They can't be serious. Greta Thunberg to be a panel expert at a CNN virus town hall.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/trust-the-experts-guess-whos-going-to-be-a-panelist-on-cnns-coronavirus-facts-and-fears-town-hall-emphasis-on-fears/

Edited to correct last name spelling.

There's a cruel meme out there.  Greta, with caption "non-essential doom troll".

"isn't it a school night, Greta."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 13, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
"This distrust of experts has really gotten out of hand. We've got to do something!"

"Sir, I have an idea. What if we called the one person most qualified and most trusted in the whole world? Someone beyond bias, beyond emotion, beyond politics, someone to whom maudlin grandstanding is utterly unknown? Someone everyone knows to be an expert in viral pandemics and how to handle them?"

"You don't mean..."

"Yes, Greta Thunberg!"

"Oh! Well's that an excellent idea. I thought you were going to say David Hogg, but Greta would be just as good. Let's make this happen."

Greta and that Hogg kid.  Reality TV, a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 13, 2020, 04:08:18 PM
Finally got a haircut today.  The barbershop was only letting in one person to wait while one person was in the chair.  She had a number reel outside with a "now serving" display.  She also asked customers to use hand sanitizer or wash their hands when they entered. 

Not sure how much all that helps, but think most of that is required. 

Read or heard somewhere, that real barbers are taught quite well how to do their job in a clean, medically sanitary way.   You know, using stuff like this:  https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/).  Or this: https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 13, 2020, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
There's a cruel meme out there.  Greta, with caption "non-essential doom troll".

"isn't it a school night, Greta."

It's only a school night for kids who go to school -- which Greta didn't, even before the coronavirus hit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 13, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 13, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
Virtual slots?

Call in, give the casino a credit card number, they have a worker pick up tokens and put them in a machine for you and, if "you" win, you can pick up your winnings at a drive-through window.


I don't think that's the type of "slots" he was referring to.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 13, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
Read or heard somewhere, that real barbers are taught quite well how to do their job in a clean, medically sanitary way.   You know, using stuff like this:  https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/).  Or this: https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/ (https://www.barberdepots.com/product-category/clippers-parts/blade-care-sanitation/clipper-spray-disinfectant/).
Most of her customers are retired so I think she was trying to take enough steps to avoid causing risk to her customers.  I didn't have any issue with her clippers. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 13, 2020, 07:41:21 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on May 13, 2020, 04:51:15 PM
Greta and that Hogg kid.  Reality TV, a match made in heaven.
Those two and add in the Indian Native American guy who got in the face of the Covington teenager a couple years ago. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 13, 2020, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 13, 2020, 07:41:21 PM
Those two and add in the Indian Native American guy who got in the face of the Covington teenager a couple years ago. 

Three's Grumpany
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 13, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
These guys claim 92 percent of Cook County (Chicagoland) from the virus had pre-existing medical conditions.

https://wirepoints.org/wirepoints-analysis-reveals-92-percent-of-cook-county-covid-19-victims-had-pre-existing-conditions-wirepoints/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 13, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 13, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
Virtual slots?

Call in, give the casino a credit card number, they have a worker pick up tokens and put them in a machine for you and, if "you" win, you can pick up your winnings at a drive-through window.

Wrong kind of slots. Think more along the lines of - well - you can figure it out! ;)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 13, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 13, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Wrong kind of slots. Think more along the lines of - well - you can figure it out! ;)

Woody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c7P0D3ycTI&feature=youtu.be&t=24
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 14, 2020, 12:15:07 AM
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that the governor's "stay at home" order is unconstitutional:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/here-we-go-wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-states-stay-at-home-order-eric-holder-among-dems-pissed-about-it/

... with the usual reaction from the usual suspects.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 14, 2020, 12:15:07 AM
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that the governor's "stay at home" order is unconstitutional:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/here-we-go-wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-states-stay-at-home-order-eric-holder-among-dems-pissed-about-it/

... with the usual reaction from the usual suspects.


Freedom to choose whether a baby lives or dies merely for being inconvenience: Free choice
Freedom to choose whether or not you can leave your home and go to the park: People are going to die! Orange Man is killing us!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 14, 2020, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 14, 2020, 12:15:07 AM
Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that the governor's "stay at home" order is unconstitutional:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/13/here-we-go-wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-states-stay-at-home-order-eric-holder-among-dems-pissed-about-it/

... with the usual reaction from the usual suspects.


I tried to read the actual ruling.  Made it about 20 or 30 pages before my eyes glazed over; I will try again tomorrow.  It's good.  I was wondering if they would bring up the separation of powers issue, and they did.  It wasn't the governor's order, it was made by Secretary of Health Andea Palm on her own authority, and she exceeded her authority; also didn't follow the laws for making a "rule".  (they go into a lot of detail about what a rule is)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2020, 09:09:15 AM
A little light-hearted fun during the virus.  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI&feature=emb_logo

Edit: Switched the link to Youtube so you wouldn't have to deal with the over the top TDS stuff at the rest of the original link.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
Great for morale

Quote
    New York City’s health commissioner blew off an urgent NYPD request for 500,000 surgical masks as the coronavirus crisis mounted — telling a high-ranking police official that “I don’t give two rats’ asses about your cops,” The Post has learned.

    Dr. Oxiris Barbot made the heartless remark during a brief phone conversation in late March with NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan, sources familiar with the matter said Wednesday.

    Monahan asked Barbot for 500,000 masks but she said she could only provide 50,000, the sources said.

    “I don’t give two rats’ asses about your cops,” Barbot said, according to sources.

    “I need them for others.”

    Classy. She is truly the epitome of the type of leadership we expect from New York City these days.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
Great for morale
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/

Trump has failed us again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 14, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
Great for morale
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/14/nyc-leadership-right-here-nyc-health-head-rejected-nypd-mask-plea-i-dont-give-2-rats-asses-about-your-cops/

I'm just amazed at the blatant stupidity of people in power.

I'm not amazed someone in power is hostile to the police. I AM amazed that anyone would be stupid enough to SAY IT to the police.

She deserves to be fired just for being that stupid. I see she's a doctor. Likely hubris played a role, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
I've heard a couple of people (I think on podcasts/radio) saying that they wanted to go on a road trip, but all the public restrooms were closed. Seems odd to me, as I've used the restrooms at grocery stores and gas stations in the past few weeks.

Just now, a truck driver told me "all the restrooms in St. Louis" are closed. I didn't get a chance to ask the guy, so I don't know if he's talking about the city itself (where I don't often venture), or the outlying regions, like where I am right now.

What have you guys seen or heard? The truckers have to go #2 somewhere, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Parker Dean on May 14, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 14, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
I've heard a couple of people (I think on podcasts/radio) saying that they wanted to go on a road trip, but all the public restrooms were closed. Seems odd to me, as I've used the restrooms at grocery stores and gas stations in the past few weeks.

Just now, a truck driver told me "all the restrooms in St. Louis" are closed. I didn't get a chance to ask the guy, so I don't know if he's talking about the city itself (where I don't often venture), or the outlying regions, like where I am right now.

What have you guys seen or heard? The truckers have to go #2 somewhere, right?
I run in the OH-IN-KY-TN region and haven't found closed restrooms at any of the Big 3 truck stop chains. So many Rest Areas are closed for reconstruction that I've stopped looking to see what they're like. Plus I run at night and going into a rest area at night is a good way to get blocked in by idjits just popping the brakes wherever they want. What I suspect that guy was talking about was shippers. Almost none allow a driver in the building anymore and either come out and get paperwork or have a cheap shed plonked down outside for some poor slob to serve as a single-point-of-contact like they should have been doing all along. Needless to say this lack of rest facilities becomes a problem when shipper keeps a driver stuck in a door for 4-8 hours.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: Parker Dean on May 14, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
What I suspect that guy was talking about was shippers. Almost none allow a driver in the building anymore and either come out and get paperwork or have a cheap shed plonked down outside for some poor slob to serve as a single-point-of-contact like they should have been doing all along. Needless to say this lack of rest facilities becomes a problem when shipper keeps a driver stuck in a door for 4-8 hours.

OK. The podcast folk aren't truckers, though, so I still wonder what they're talking about. Guess I might have to ask em on the twitters or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 14, 2020, 01:02:24 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 14, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
I've heard a couple of people (I think on podcasts/radio) saying that they wanted to go on a road trip, but all the public restrooms were closed. Seems odd to me, as I've used the restrooms at grocery stores and gas stations in the past few weeks.

Just now, a truck driver told me "all the restrooms in St. Louis" are closed. I didn't get a chance to ask the guy, so I don't know if he's talking about the city itself (where I don't often venture), or the outlying regions, like where I am right now.

What have you guys seen or heard? The truckers have to go #2 somewhere, right?

Early on in the pandemic Pennsylvania closed all their highway rest areas. IIRC, truckers complained and the state relented and re-opened the rest rooms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2020, 01:16:30 PM
I don't understand why truckers need rest area bathrooms (NSFW)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0bwbcfd28
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 14, 2020, 02:29:42 PM
I drove from Houston, Texas to Minnesota about 3 weeks ago.  About half on interstate highways and half on major US highways.  (there is a route that's all interstate, but I don't like it)  All the truck stops were open with restrooms available, and so were the highway department rest areas.  Most of the rest areas had all the indoor areas locked except the restrooms.  I doubt anything has changed much on that front in the past month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 14, 2020, 03:13:39 PM
Yeah the problem is at point of loading unloading. Some places have set up porta pottys and cleaning stations but not sure how many are doing that.

On the non communist side of MO almost everything is open.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 03:28:51 PM
Michigan Gov.: We may have to extend the lock down because feelings

Quote
"These protests, in a perverse way, make it likelier that we're going to have to stay in a stay-home posture." https://t.co/nBgq7r5uzu pic.twitter.com/w8GXaQYVxK

— ABC News (@ABC) May 13, 2020
Quote
    Hours after the appearance, a reporter asked Whitmer during a press conference, “What proof do you have to show that that’s happening?”

    “I don’t have proof. I’m [not] following everybody home and taking their temperatures and watching them for two weeks,” the governor replied, later defending the claim by discussing the method by which the novel coronavirus spreads.

    “The way that it spreads is person-to-person contact, that it can stay in the air for a while, that when you’re closer than 6 feet, not wearing masks. It is when you are touching one another. We saw a lot of that at these protests at the Capitol. And that’s how COVID-19 spreads,” she said.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/guided-by-facts-and-science-michigan-gov-whitmer-says-backlash-may-necessitate-extending-lockdown-then-admits-no-proof-protests-have-spread-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on May 14, 2020, 03:13:39 PM
Yeah the problem is at point of loading unloading. Some places have set up porta pottys and cleaning stations but not sure how many are doing that.

On the non communist side of MO almost everything is open.

Yeah, I'm probably going across the [Missouri] river tomorrow, to get a haircut.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2020, 05:19:38 PM
So now that commie pinko liberal journalists might get laid off instead of deplorables, we'd better hurry up and open the *expletive deleted*ck back up and save their jobs!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/amen-sister-bethany-mandel-has-some-thoughts-about-blue-checks-suddenly-concerned-about-consequences-of-covid19-lockdowns/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 05:22:01 PM
Learn to code.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 14, 2020, 05:24:02 PM
Learn to mine coal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
Also, what is with this latest lefty fantasy that Trump and Biden will both be incapacitated by the virus, and Pelosi, who is frail and older than both of them, will step up and lead the country?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/kayleigh-mcenany-calls-out-nyts-maggie-haberman-for-misleading-tweet-quoting-her-remarks-about-donald-trump-and-mike-pences-health/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 14, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
Also, what is with this latest lefty fantasy that Trump and Biden will both be incapacitated by the virus, and Pelosi, who is frail and older than both of them, will step up and lead the country?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/kayleigh-mcenany-calls-out-nyts-maggie-haberman-for-misleading-tweet-quoting-her-remarks-about-donald-trump-and-mike-pences-health/

Haven't they been bloviating about some variation of that since 2016 or '17; somewhere in there?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2020, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 14, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
Haven't they been bloviating about some variation of that since 2016 or '17; somewhere in there?

Yeah, but I meant the virus specifically, because if she were ever to get her ass back to work, she's likely at higher risk than Trump or Biden, and most all the people below her on the succession list are Republicans.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 14, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: makattak on May 14, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
I'm just amazed at the blatant stupidity of people in power.

She deserves to be fired just for being that stupid. I see she's a doctor. Likely hubris played a role, too.

We live in interesting times. 

"arrogance and stupidity, in one convenient package" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prVxatFIqRk)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 14, 2020, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 14, 2020, 05:19:38 PM
So now that commie pinko liberal journalists might get laid off instead of deplorables, we'd better hurry up and open the *expletive deleted*ck back up and save their jobs!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/14/amen-sister-bethany-mandel-has-some-thoughts-about-blue-checks-suddenly-concerned-about-consequences-of-covid19-lockdowns/

Good golly, Miss Molly!

Quote from: BuzzFeed News Union
Losing a newsroom job now isn't just a temporary setback. For many colleagues let go, this could be the end of their careers in journalism -- all the more calamitous when the work journalists do has never been more important.

"... the work journalists do has never been more important"? What a masterpiece of self-aggrandizement. How about "... has never been less important." Every  John and Jane Doe with a  cell phone is a journalist today, and anybody who's anybody has a web site or a blog or a Twitter or Facebook account. There's a reason why newspapers are hemorrhaging red ink -- it's because "journalists" today are becoming increasingly irrelevant. In a day and age when Greta Thunberg is suddenly a CNN "expert," what purpose do run-of-the-mill journalists serve?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 07:21:24 PM
San Diego County: Malls can reopen
Also San Diego County: No customers are allowed inside  
:facepalm:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/not-the-onion-or-babylon-bee-san-diego-countys-covid-19-alert-system-update-sums-up-shutdown-insanity-perfectly/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 14, 2020, 07:20:57 PM
Good golly, Miss Molly!

"... the work journalists do has never been more important"? What a masterpiece of self-aggrandizement. How about "... has never been less important." Every  John and Jane Doe with a  cell phone is a journalist today, and anybody who's anybody has a web site or a blog or a Twitter or Facebook account. There's a reason why newspapers are hemorrhaging red ink -- it's because "journalists" today are becoming increasingly irrelevant. In a day and age when Greta Thunberg is suddenly a CNN "expert," what purpose do run-of-the-mill journalists serve?

It's all fun and games until the liberals start losing their jobs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 07:21:24 PM
San Diego County: Malls can reopen
Also San Diego County: No customers are allowed inside  
:facepalm:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/not-the-onion-or-babylon-bee-san-diego-countys-covid-19-alert-system-update-sums-up-shutdown-insanity-perfectly/

I want to give benefit of the doubt, and assume they're doing curbside pickup or delivery, but can mall stores really do that? There's a hundred internet companies already doing a much better job of that.

I guess it's no crazier than anything else in California.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2020, 09:29:10 PM
(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/CNN-Coronavirus-Town-Hall-750x477.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 14, 2020, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 14, 2020, 03:28:51 PM
Michigan Gov.: We may have to extend the lock down because feelings
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/14/guided-by-facts-and-science-michigan-gov-whitmer-says-backlash-may-necessitate-extending-lockdown-then-admits-no-proof-protests-have-spread-coronavirus/

https://babylonbee.com/news/breaking-bunch-of-psychotic-fascists-gather-at-michigan-capitol-and-also-some-protesters-with-guns

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2020, 11:35:29 AM
Because science!

Quote
   "People are starting to realize that we are actually depending on science and that we need to listen to scientists and experts." -Teen activist Greta Thunberg on how people are reacting to science and what that means for the climate crisis. #CNNTownHall https://t.co/EvUEaN7gza pic.twitter.com/HLQb1AQ7ax

    — CNN (@CNN) May 15, 2020

More at the link

Anderson Cooper did NOT like people mocking CNN for featuring Greta Thunberg on their super science-y coronavirus town hall (Donald Trump Jr’s photo response is priceless)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/15/anderson-cooper-did-not-like-people-mocking-cnn-for-featuring-greta-thunberg-on-their-super-science-y-coronavirus-town-hall-donald-trump-jrs-photo-response-is-priceless/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
Quote
    "People are starting to realize that we are actually depending on science and that we need to listen to scientists and experts." -Teen activist Greta Thunberg on how people are reacting to science and what that means for the climate crisis. #CNNTownHall https://t.co/EvUEaN7gza pic.twitter.com/HLQb1AQ7ax

    — CNN (@CNN) May 15, 2020

Need I point out the irony?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 15, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 15, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
Need I point out the irony?

... that people are going to be even more distrustful of "SCIENCE!!!" after it's been shown to wildly and drastically wrong in this situation?

No, people will understand that... unless they BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2020, 02:11:06 PM
I was thinking of the other irony. The fact that CNN had her on just then to talk about a pandemic is evidence that people don't really want to hear from scientists or experts - she's pretty doggone far from being either.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 15, 2020, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 15, 2020, 02:11:06 PM
I was thinking of the other irony. The fact that CNN had her on just then to talk about a pandemic is evidence that people don't really want to hear from scientists or experts - she's pretty doggone far from being either.

It's just layers of irony all wrapped around a sad joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
how dare you
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 16, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
I figured she'd be all for the virus.  "We are the virus" isn't that the meme?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 16, 2020, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: Jamisjockey on May 16, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
I figured she'd be all for the virus.  "We are the virus" isn't that the meme?


Plus if 100,000,000 people died and everybody else locked down, it saves the Earth, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 16, 2020, 02:14:39 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 16, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 16, 2020, 02:14:39 PM
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That clenches it. I ain't never getting tested!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 17, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Interesting chart. Note the states with higher or near equal virus deaths than flu deaths. Not that this isn't hindsight, but it's certainly food for thought regarding "one size fits all" lockdowns. Even in the case of "heavy-handed" lockdowns, look at the difference between CA and MI. Or NY, which seems to be turning into an outlier.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYFtLlLWkAABU6p?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 17, 2020, 02:30:23 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday.
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Asked about images being broadcast from some areas of the country showing people gathering near bars and congregating close together, Azar said that was the cost of freedom.

Exactly.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 17, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
So the nation-state of California, the 5th largest economy in the world, is complaining it's not getting enough dough from the feds to recover from the virus:

https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2020/05/17/respectfully-a-top-gop-senator-gives-gavin-newsom-a-good-reason-to-stop-criticizing-the-senate-and-begging-for-more-federal-money/

In the meantime, they got 11% of the relief money that was meant for all 50 states. Seems to me if they ever secede, they'll last about 19 days before they start issuing $100 trillion dollar bank notes ala Zimbabwe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 17, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 17, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Interesting chart. Note the states with higher or near equal virus deaths than flu deaths. Not that this isn't hindsight, but it's certainly food for thought regarding "one size fits all" lockdowns. Even in the case of "heavy-handed" lockdowns, look at the difference between CA and MI. Or NY, which seems to be turning into an outlier.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYFtLlLWkAABU6p?format=jpg&name=medium)

Must be dated, Iowa is north of 300 covid deaths so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2020, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: charby on May 17, 2020, 05:33:13 PM
Must be dated, Iowa is north of 300 covid deaths so far.

The chart says 30 April.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2020, 06:39:34 PM
I went in for a physical at an urgent care place last week. I figured they would ask me to wear a mask, but they only had a sign saying "if you have such-and-such symptoms, please ask for a mask." The only thing that was different was that the staff wore masks, and asked me to wait in my car, instead of in the waiting room.

I did end up going to St Charles County last week, to get a haircut. St Louis County isn't supposed to start "opening" until next week.

Other than Menards, I still haven't seen any stores asking customers to wear masks. Actually, I just remembered I had to return a purchase at MicroCenter last week, and they had sign about their new masks-for-all policy. There was a lass handing out masks at the door, and I walked past her, then turned back to ask her where to take my return. She didn't say anything to me about masks. What woman would deprive herself the pleasure of viewing this handsome mug?  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 17, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
The photo you use as an avatar just doesn't do you justice, does it??  >:D    ;)

Profile shots are  hard to do right.  :angel:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 18, 2020, 09:57:12 AM
 :rofl:

WATCH: Social-distancing explanation on tennis balls is the laugh you need this morning  
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/18/watch-social-distancing-explanation-on-tennis-balls-is-the-laugh-you-need-this-morning/

Direct link to the video
https://twitter.com/IslesBlog/status/1261700438375759874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 18, 2020, 10:16:53 AM
CBS using video/photos from 2016 for a COVID-related mystery illness story

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/18/again-cbs-purveyors-of-panic-porn-sink-even-lower-using-old-footage-to-scare-parents-about-covid-related-mystery-illness-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 18, 2020, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 18, 2020, 10:16:53 AM
CBS using video/photos from 2016 for a COVID-related mystery illness story

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/18/again-cbs-purveyors-of-panic-porn-sink-even-lower-using-old-footage-to-scare-parents-about-covid-related-mystery-illness-watch/

These people are simply evil. There is no longer any need to grant them the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2020, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: makattak on May 18, 2020, 11:04:35 AM
These people are simply evil. There is no longer any need to grant them the benefit of the doubt.

I at least agree with the second sentence.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 18, 2020, 01:04:41 PM
Read the replies

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    "Anyone tries to get in the water they’ll be taken right out of the water" @NYCMayor warns about city beaches this summer

    — Julia Marsh (@juliakmarsh) May 18, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/18/what-nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-warns-beachgoers-what-will-happen-if-they-get-in-the-water/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 18, 2020, 07:41:13 PM
Newsom claims first responders will be the first ones laid off if Trump doesn't give him fed money. So where in the "laid off" hierarchy are bureaucrats, secretaries, and janitorial staff? You're going to lay off firefighters and EMTs, but keep the guys who clean the rest area toilets?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/05/18/is-that-a-threat-sure-sounds-like-gov-gavin-newsom-is-holding-the-population-of-california-hostage-to-extort-money-from-washington/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2020, 08:14:51 PM
Newsom's just doing what they always do when anyone tries to slow down the revenue stream. They always threaten essential services, and keep mum about whatever drag queen story hour nonsense they could easily cut.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 18, 2020, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 18, 2020, 08:14:51 PM
Newsom's just doing what they always do when anyone tries to slow down the revenue stream. They always threaten essential services, and keep mum about whatever drag queen story hour nonsense they could easily cut.

Oh, I agree. I'm just sick of it, from whatever side. These guys all want to always protect their non-essential services, and I don't get how everyone always lets them get away with something so obvious. Even the sheep should be able to see past it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 18, 2020, 09:11:48 PM
As a sign of progress, I was able to make the annual physical/Trifexis refill appointment for the dog today.  The vet is back open for business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 18, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 18, 2020, 09:11:48 PM
As a sign of progress, I was able to make the annual physical/Trifexis refill appointment for the dog today.  The vet is back open for business.

Our vet never closed down.  They would come out to the car, get the animal and take 'em in.  After that, they'd bring the animal out to the car - and then you'd go inside to pay   ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 18, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
First Wisconsin, now Oregon:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregons-coronavirus-restrictions-ruled-null-and-void-after-governor-failed-to-get-approval-from-legislature

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A judge in Oregon on Monday ruled that Gov. Kate Brown’s coronavirus restrictions were “null and void” after the Democratic lawmaker failed to have her emergency orders approved by the state’s legislature in 28 days.
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[governor] Brown said she would immediately appeal the ruling to the state Supreme Court to try to keep the emergency orders in effect.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 18, 2020, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 18, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
First Wisconsin, now Oregon:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregons-coronavirus-restrictions-ruled-null-and-void-after-governor-failed-to-get-approval-from-legislature


Though I see that Oregon has now fined a salon owner $14,000 for opening her shop. Same state that lets antifa run wild.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on May 18, 2020, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 18, 2020, 10:55:03 PM
Though I see that Oregon has now fined a salon owner $14,000 for opening her shop. Same state that lets antifa run wild.

Get her a decent Gofundme, and she's got a fighting chance in court.  Hell,  I sent the Texas chick $20 as a *expletive deleted*ck you by proxy to the judge that jailed her.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 18, 2020, 11:59:45 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 18, 2020, 10:50:20 PM
First Wisconsin, now Oregon:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregons-coronavirus-restrictions-ruled-null-and-void-after-governor-failed-to-get-approval-from-legislature


A couple of states have also been slapped down in their restrictions on church services; North Carolina, and I believe Kentucky prior to that.

Our local PD told the pastor of our church they're going to let the health department worry about Covid rules. They're not going to get involved.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 19, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
New outbreak in China, fyi
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 19, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: charby on May 19, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
New outbreak in China, fyi


"New"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 19, 2020, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: makattak on May 19, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
"New"

Chinese scientists measured a decline in worldwide fear and panic and as a countermeasure issued new covid 19 updates  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 19, 2020, 09:00:59 AM
https://youtu.be/RcgVb6zZmn0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 19, 2020, 01:53:53 PM
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Florida's manager of GIS services is taken off managing the COVID-19 web site because she declined to manually alter the data appearing on the web site.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 19, 2020, 02:19:08 PM
Long story short
Youtube video that runs counter to WHO's official narrative on C19 gets flagged and removed. (not the only one)
Producer of the video then gets contacted by the tech reporter for BusinessInsider.Com asking him for comments regarding this. Turns out from other articles, which are basically hit pieces on anyone questioning the official WHO narrative, the reporter is the one who got the video flagged.

video is 14 minutes long.

Well, This is Truly Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN4Usu-sgXI
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 19, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-virus-researchers-uncover-evidence-implying-covid-19-was-created-in-a-lab

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Lifesite News reports that the scientists “used a version of the novel coronavirus collected in the earliest days of the outbreak and applied computer models to test its capacity to bind to certain cell receptor enzymes, called “ACE2,” that allow the virus to infect human and animal cells to varying degrees of efficacy.”

“They found that “the novel coronavirus most powerfully binds with human ACE2, and with variously lesser degrees of effectiveness with animal versions of the receptor.”

The authors believe this means that the virus “became specialized for human cell penetration by living previously in human cells, quite possibly in a laboratory.”

The Study notes that  “a virus would be expected to have highest affinity for the receptor in its original host species, e.g. bat, with a lower initial binding affinity for the receptor of any new host, e.g. humans. However, in this case, the affinity of SARS-CoV-2 is higher for humans than for the putative original host species, bats, or for any potential intermediary host species.”

Essentially he says they see no evidence of gene splicing or direct manipulation but the same thing could be achieved through natural selection and testing with human tissue over a few years.  And the lab in Wuhan was known to be experimenting with bat coronaviruses.  
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In a separate public statement about the research made by Prof. Petrovsky on April 17, the researcher notes that the results of his study are either "a remarkable coincidence or a sign of human intervention,” and adds that it is “entirely plausible that the virus was created in the biosecurity facility in Wuhan by selection on cells expressing human ACE2, a laboratory that was known to be cultivating exotic bat coronaviruses at the time.”

This last quote is saying they haven't seen a close version of the virus in the animal population and so far China is refusing to participate in such a search which tends to back up the accusations that they already know the origin. 
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Professor Petrovsky told LifeSite in an email interview that his study indicates that “there are some highly unusual features, including optimal human adaptation, that in the absence of identification of a close to identical virus in an animal population from which COVID19 could have arisen, would point in the direction of human intervention at some point in the evolution of COVID19.”

He noted that, so far, researchers in China and elsewhere have not produced evidence of the presence in animals of a virus closely similar to the one that causes COVID-19 in humans, which would give credence to their theory of natural development in an intermediary between bats, which presumably originated the virus, and humans.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 19, 2020, 02:36:26 PM
Annie Glenn, widow of astronaut John Glenn, dies at 100 from coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/us/annie-glenn-widow-of-u-s-sen-john-glenn-dies-at-100-from-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 19, 2020, 02:48:12 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 19, 2020, 02:19:08 PM

Well, This is Truly Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN4Usu-sgXI


I don't find it at all unbelievable. Bottom line, the reporter is a scumbag. Scumbags do what scumbags go. In other news, the Sun still rises in the east.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on May 19, 2020, 03:02:18 PM
As near as I can tell, that great bastion of freedom, the ACLU, has limited their action against all the gross over-reaching government responses to COVID to releasing criminals from jails, making sure women can still kill their babies, and calling for voting by mail this fall.  We are lucky to have them looking out for us.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 19, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 19, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-virus-researchers-uncover-evidence-implying-covid-19-was-created-in-a-lab

Essentially he says they see no evidence of gene splicing or direct manipulation but the same thing could be achieved through natural selection and testing with human tissue over a few years.  And the lab in Wuhan was known to be experimenting with bat coronaviruses.  
This last quote is saying they haven't seen a close version of the virus in the animal population and so far China is refusing to participate in such a search which tends to back up the accusations that they already know the origin.  

I was very curious about the certainty that was reported that it wasn't human-created. "It didn't have the "markers" of gene editing."

I wondered (and still do), what happens when some nefarious state actor comes up with a means of gene editing that doesn't produce the same markers?

How would you "know" it wasn't spliced?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 19, 2020, 07:48:48 PM
Phone call I got this AM from a medical person working a current Covid hotspot wasn't good. The current situation is horrible there and they are already begining to prepare for the next wave, pretty much their superiors are thinking we are going to be *expletive deleted*ed.

I can't disclose where or whom, lots of gag orders because things are supposed to be cheery so the economy grows and no more panics at the grocery store, also this person is so conservative that they would make a lot you look like democrats. Phone call started with do you know any pork producers in my 20 that would be willing to sell a few pigs to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 19, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: charby on May 19, 2020, 07:48:48 PM
Phone call I got this AM from a medical person working a current Covid hotspot wasn't good. The current situation is horrible there and they are already begining to prepare for the next wave, pretty much their superiors are thinking we are going to be *expletive deleted*ed.

I can't disclose where or whom, lots of gag orders because things are supposed to be cheery so the economy grows and no more panics at the grocery store, also this person is so conservative that they would make a lot you look like democrats. Phone call started with do you know any pork producers in my 20 that would be willing to sell a few pigs to me.

HyVee has pork butts for $1.49 a pound right now.  (at least they did 2 days ago)  That's not the same as buying whole or half hogs but it's a start.  I bought a couple.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 19, 2020, 10:01:47 PM
We are certainly doing some long-range planning for winter and a possible concurrent flu and COVID season.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 20, 2020, 08:21:09 AM
Reports from China that C19 Mark II may be on the loose with somewhat different symptoms
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 20, 2020, 08:22:06 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 20, 2020, 08:21:09 AM
Reports from China that C19 Mark II may be on the loose with somewhat different symptoms

Can we have zombies this round, please?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 20, 2020, 10:57:27 AM
'TRUMP SMASH!' Roars Giant Green President After Taking One Too Many Doses Of Hydroxychloroquine
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-smash-roars-giant-green-president-after-taking-one-too-many-doses-of-hydroxychloroquine?utm_content=buffer7cd3d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Trump began to smash the room up as his alter ego and then ran upstairs where he destroyed much of the West Wing. He was finally calmed down and returned to normal as aides leaped onto his back and injected him with a shot of Clorox.

And the words "green man bad" were heard repeated on left wing discussion sites all over the internet. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on May 21, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Apparently, it's been determined the virus doesn't spread via surfaces as readily as first assumed:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684)

So that's good news . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 21, 2020, 12:24:46 PM
Don't know if it's my imagination or not but seems like most bad news C19 headlines have a picture of Trump underneath them while many good news ones are over a picture of a dem. The AP stories that many local news sites copy and paste seem to be the worse ones about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 21, 2020, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on May 21, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Apparently, it's been determined the virus doesn't spread via surfaces as readily as first assumed:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684)

So that's good news . . . .

Oh, good. All the time I spent not wiping everything down once I got back from the store has been post-hoc justified. I was just prescient.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 21, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on May 21, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Apparently, it's been determined the virus doesn't spread via surfaces as readily as first assumed:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-virus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces-n411684)

So that's good news . . . .

Good news if you choose to believe it. The problem is, the CDC and the WHO (IMHO) have zero credibility at this point. First we needed to all wear N95 masks. Then we didn't need to wear masks. Then we should all wear masks, but they don't have to be N95.

The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.

I don't know what to believe. Florida took the woman who was running their virus information web page off the job because she refused to fudge the numbers. I've been tracking numbers for my state from their daily updates since early March. Around May 3 a discrepancy appeared -- the number of new cases from one day to the next suddenly didn't match the total, but (IIRC) 25. And the total number of deaths was suddenly off by 51. No explanation, and the discrepancies continue, each and every day. And there are still no data (for my state, anyway) on number of recoveries, which means there's no idea how many active cases there are. Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page shows some recoveries for my state, but the number hasn't changed in a week, so recoveries are obviously not being tracked and reported in any systematic fashion.

I don't believe anything they tell me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 21, 2020, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 21, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Good news if you choose to believe it. The problem is, the CDC and the WHO (IMHO) have zero credibility at this point. First we needed to all wear N95 masks. Then we didn't need to wear masks. Then we should all wear masks, but they don't have to be N95.

The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.

I don't know what to believe. Florida took the woman who was running their virus information web page off the job because she refused to fudge the numbers. I've been tracking numbers for my state from their daily updates since early March. Around May 3 a discrepancy appeared -- the number of new cases from one day to the next suddenly didn't match the total, but (IIRC) 25. And the total number of deaths was suddenly off by 51. No explanation, and the discrepancies continue, each and every day. And there are still no data (for my state, anyway) on number of recoveries, which means there's no idea how many active cases there are. Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page shows some recoveries for my state, but the number hasn't changed in a week, so recoveries are obviously not being tracked and reported in any systematic fashion.

I don't believe anything they tell me.

The woman in Florida is (was, as she was rightly fired for insubordination) a DATA ENTRY DRONE. We have several of the sort in my line of work. They ought to (and do) have ZERO involvement with determining whether the data is right. They just put in the data that other people have already confirmed and ensure that the data other have given them is displaying correctly. 

They don't get to decide the appropriateness of the data.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 21, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 21, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Good news if you choose to believe it. The problem is, the CDC and the WHO (IMHO) have zero credibility at this point. First we needed to all wear N95 masks. Then we didn't need to wear masks. Then we should all wear masks, but they don't have to be N95.

The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.

I don't know what to believe. Florida took the woman who was running their virus information web page off the job because she refused to fudge the numbers. I've been tracking numbers for my state from their daily updates since early March. Around May 3 a discrepancy appeared -- the number of new cases from one day to the next suddenly didn't match the total, but (IIRC) 25. And the total number of deaths was suddenly off by 51. No explanation, and the discrepancies continue, each and every day. And there are still no data (for my state, anyway) on number of recoveries, which means there's no idea how many active cases there are. Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page shows some recoveries for my state, but the number hasn't changed in a week, so recoveries are obviously not being tracked and reported in any systematic fashion.

I don't believe anything they tell me.

I'm with you, what the hell are we supposed to believe when the story keeps changing?  The constantly changing story doesn't help their (WHO, CDC, etc) credibility.

If people are showing positive after they've had the flu and recovered it's going to be hard to track who's actually recovered.  How do you count the re-infected?  Are they counted as a new case?  Or do you remove them from the count of those who've recovered?

I wear a mask at work because it's required.  I do use hand sanitizer before eating at work.  Because of where I work, that's a standard precaution anyway.  Other than that it's business as usual. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 21, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 21, 2020, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 21, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
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Until things are back to the way they were under Obama
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 21, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 21, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
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That is becoming way too close to the truth not just with the beer virus, but practically everything else. We have that Lewis and Clark thread going. I wonder what they would think of our "safety above all else" society? I guess that goes for people who are still alive today too, like Apollo astronauts. Or Chuck Yeager.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 21, 2020, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 21, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
The virus only survives on most surfaces from a couple of hours (on copper) to a couple of days. Then they found it survives up to or beyond two weeks on some surfaces. Now we don't have to worry about touching surfaces.


Only? How many people can touch a door handle in two hours or two days?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 21, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
The Michigan AG has announced that effective immediately, the POTUS is persona non grata in the state of Michigan. She is also looking at bringing the Ford Motor Company up on charges for not forcing POTUS to wear a mask. How exactly were they supposed to order him to do that?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/21/michigan-attorney-general-says-petulant-child-president-trump-is-no-longer-welcome-in-the-state-for-not-wearing-a-mask/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 21, 2020, 08:09:08 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 22, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
So Katie figured out her method of social distance drop of and pick up for pets. She bought a kennel run with two outer gates and one gate in the middle. Customer goes in one side with dog, removes leash and collar, we open middle gate and call dog through to our side, put on our leash and then take the dog into building. For pick up, reverse the procedure. It was even featured on the local news.

Katie is now trying to figure out how to keep it once quarantine is over. We think with a little fancy verbal trickery we can keep it until end of summer. It's glorious. No customers allowed in the building is awesome.

Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 22, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on May 22, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
No customers allowed in the building is awesome.

Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.

So true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on May 22, 2020, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on May 22, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
So Katie figured out her method of social distance drop of and pick up for pets. She bought a kennel run with two outer gates and one gate in the middle. Customer goes in one side with dog, removes leash and collar, we open middle gate and call dog through to our side, put on our leash and then take the dog into building. For pick up, reverse the procedure. It was even featured on the local news.

Katie is now trying to figure out how to keep it once quarantine is over. We think with a little fancy verbal trickery we can keep it until end of summer. It's glorious. No customers allowed in the building is awesome.

Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.

It's Cville, you could surely convince someone to roll in a kiddie pool of essential oils or something to ward of the virus. I really do know someone who is burning sage like mad and picking out the appropriate crystals. Some of us are rooting for the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 23, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on May 22, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
So Katie figured out her method of social distance drop of and pick up for pets. She bought a kennel run with two outer gates and one gate in the middle. Customer goes in one side with dog, removes leash and collar, we open middle gate and call dog through to our side, put on our leash and then take the dog into building. For pick up, reverse the procedure. It was even featured on the local news.

Katie is now trying to figure out how to keep it once quarantine is over. We think with a little fancy verbal trickery we can keep it until end of summer. It's glorious. No customers allowed in the building is awesome.

Not all of this quarantine stuff is bad.

Umm ... Question: What makes Katie think the cats and dogs can't carry and spread the Covid - or anything else for that matter?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 23, 2020, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 23, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
Umm ... Question: What makes Katie think the cats and dogs can't carry and spread the Covid - or anything else for that matter?

Woody

According to the CDC  they don't ,   although apparently cats are somewhat susceptible to covid 19 disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 23, 2020, 03:02:27 PM
Cuomo's little nursing home problem is all Orange Man's fault.

Quote
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Saturday doubled down on his state's now-scrapped nursing home policy that critics say contributed to thousands of coronavirus deaths and instead blamed the problem on President Trump and his administration.

"New York followed the president's agency guidance," Cuomo said Saturday at his press conference. ".... What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-blames-trump-nursing-home-debacle-new-york-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on May 23, 2020, 04:42:01 PM
Quote
The governor's office said New York's original nursing home policy was in line with a March 13 directive from the Trump Administration's Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) and Centers from Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that went out to all states on how to control infections in nursing homes.

I guess if you believe that the scientists are always right, even when suggesting something that anyone with an iota of common sense would think was a terrible idea, then it isn't your fault when it goes all FUBAR.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 23, 2020, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on May 23, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
Umm ... Question: What makes Katie think the cats and dogs can't carry and spread the Covid - or anything else for that matter?

Woody

 :facepalm: I think the point kind of just flew right over your head.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 23, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on May 23, 2020, 05:27:25 PM
:facepalm: I think the point kind of just flew right over your head.

'Splain it to me then.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 23, 2020, 07:25:58 PM
They don't like people, and this is an unusually good excuse to ban them from the shop and just let the dogs come in (they like dogs)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 23, 2020, 10:04:57 PM
Yep I hate people! If thy could just drop stuff off for me to fix and I never had to see them that would be great.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 23, 2020, 10:17:09 PM
This is the misanthropy forum board.

We don't even really like each other  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 24, 2020, 08:53:06 AM
So is "embargo" some kind of legal term that can be used by domestic, local governments (not being sarcastic, I actually don't know)? I've never heard of it used in this manner before:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/23/camden-county-posts-notice-of-embargo-on-gym-that-dared-reopen-in-spite-of-new-jersey-lockdown-order/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 24, 2020, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 24, 2020, 08:53:06 AM
So is "embargo" some kind of legal term that can be used by domestic, local governments (not being sarcastic, I actually don't know)? I've never heard of it used in this manner before:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/23/camden-county-posts-notice-of-embargo-on-gym-that-dared-reopen-in-spite-of-new-jersey-lockdown-order/

Embargo? Isn't that some kind of snail cooked in garlic and butter?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 24, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
No, it's when a ship leaves on a trip.  When the ship gets there, the passengers are said to disembargo.

Ben, lately (20+ years?) there seems to be a large number of words that are being used in unusual ways --sometimes as their tertiary and quaternary definitions, sometimes with no relationship to any definitions.  But that's cool, dude, like, it's part of, like, it's normal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on May 24, 2020, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: 230RN on May 24, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
No, it's when a ship leaves on a trip.  When the ship gets there, the passengers are said to disembargo.

Ben, lately (20+ years?) there seems to be a large number of words that are being used in unusual ways --sometimes as their tertiary and quaternary definitions, sometimes with no relationship to any definitions.  But that's cool, dude, like, it's part of, like, it's normal.

Agreed.  One of my main peeves re:word meaning shifts is "story".  I may have griped here before about it.  Facebook posts are stories. >bullshit!<  I see outdoor advertising signs for the ad company saying "let us help you tell your story".

I don't like it.   :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 24, 2020, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: 230RN on May 24, 2020, 06:26:21 PM


Ben, lately (20+ years?) there seems to be a large number of words that are being used in unusual ways --sometimes as their tertiary and quaternary definitions, sometimes with no relationship to any definitions.  But that's cool, dude, like, it's part of, like, it's normal.

I'm actually most concerned with the legality of using that term in that way. AFAIK, it's generally an international thing for punitive measures against whole countries. It's a little scary to think rinky dink localities are somehow co-opting it to violate the constitution.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 07:43:26 AM
She has her mask(s) on
https://twitter.com/nemui_babyy/status/1264387739186688001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 25, 2020, 07:52:37 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 24, 2020, 09:39:52 PM
Agreed.  One of my main peeves re:word meaning shifts is "story".  I may have griped here before about it.  Facebook posts are stories. >bullshit!<  I see outdoor advertising signs for the ad company saying "let us help you tell your story".

I don't like it.   :old:

That comes straight out of corporate marketing departments.

The question asked in retail when setting up your department is always "what story are you telling?". The in store displays, signage, the print and video media advertising are all in alignment to "tell the story" to help sell the product.  

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 25, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
Now we're to be outraged that Donald Trump played golf on a holiday weekend.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-hits-trump-for-golfing-trump-he-left-out-some-key-facts

When I saw a headline on this from CNN, it cracked me up. They think everything Trump does, especially with the pandemic, is wrong and racist will kill people. But it's apparently very important that he stays in the White House doing the wrong, racist things, and killing people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 25, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
Snarl:

"...White House spox Kayleigh McEnany ..."

:Growl

Me go now.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 25, 2020, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 24, 2020, 09:39:52 PM
Agreed.  One of my main peeves re:word meaning shifts is "story".  I may have griped here before about it.  Facebook posts are stories. >bullshit!<  I see outdoor advertising signs for the ad company saying "let us help you tell your story".


Considering how little truth there is in most advertising, I can see calling ads "stories."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 25, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
Protestors in Kentucky hang the governor in effigy:  https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/24/second-amendment-supporters-protest-covid-19-restrictions-capitol/5250571002/

Quote
It began as a celebration of constitutional rights but turned into a protest of coronavirus restrictions and Beshear’s administration. Folks toted their guns and waved American and “Don’t tread on me” flags. Taps honored the fallen, and free flags were given to veterans from all military branches.

Ed Bruce, who carried a replica colonial-era gun with a tag that read “1st Assault Rifle,” said he came out to make a point: government shouldn’t control what types of guns he or other law-abiding citizens carry, he said.

So the reporter has never heard of the Gadsden flag.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
Mask nazis:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1264721468761481216
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on May 25, 2020, 06:28:07 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 25, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
Mask nazis:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1264721468761481216

That would never happen around here (N. TX).  Most people, including retail employees*, didn't/don't wear masks when they're in a store.

*At least they didn't until their employer started requiring one be worn.  Not all retail employers in this area require wearing a mask while working.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
She should have started coughing on them
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2020, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
She should have started coughing on them

Since they were all breaking the six foot rule to yell and cuss at her about the mask rule, I reckon they would have had it coming.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on May 25, 2020, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
She should have started coughing on them

Probably get charged with a felony.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/coronavirus-terrorism-nj.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on May 25, 2020, 07:44:52 PM
Probably get charged with a felony.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/coronavirus-terrorism-nj.html



The reaction would have been so worth it.   >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 25, 2020, 08:27:42 PM
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/05/22/church-that-defied-coronavirus-restrictions-is-burned-to-the-ground
Mississippi Church that defied stay-at-home orders burned to the ground in suspected arson

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 25, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
Google Drive takes down user’s personal copy of Judy Mikovits’ Plandemic after it was flagged by The Washington Post
https://reclaimthenet.org/google-drive-takes-down-user-file-plandemic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I assume there is some boiler plate language in their terms and conditions allowing them to review and edit your content on their site.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/MXyKqZ201Dj5/
This link popped up on a search.  Not sure if it is the same video or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 25, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 25, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
Google Drive takes down user’s personal copy of Judy Mikovits’ Plandemic after it was flagged by The Washington Post
https://reclaimthenet.org/google-drive-takes-down-user-file-plandemic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I assume there is some boiler plate language in their terms and conditions allowing them to review and edit your content on their site.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/MXyKqZ201Dj5/
This link popped up on a search.  Not sure if it is the same video or not.

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/all-your-data-791dl4.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 25, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
I think we're stuck in mud. It smells like something a whole lot worse than wet dirt, though. Got a bit of a barn yard odor to it.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 25, 2020, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 25, 2020, 08:27:42 PM
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/05/22/church-that-defied-coronavirus-restrictions-is-burned-to-the-ground
Mississippi Church that defied stay-at-home orders burned to the ground in suspected arson




That was reported a few days ago, and we've barely talked about it. Imagine the coverage and controversy if it were one of the predominantly black churches that was staying open (of which there is at least one; presumably others).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: fistful on May 25, 2020, 10:51:01 PM

That was reported a few days ago, and we've barely talked about it. Imagine the coverage and controversy if it were one of the predominantly black churches that was staying open (of which there is at least one; presumably others).
Doesn't surprise me.  This thread has moved fast at times and I know I have skipped pages after being away for a day or two.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 26, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Doesn't surprise me.  This thread has moved fast at times and I know I have skipped pages after being away for a day or two.

What I'm getting at is the way media is ignoring this story, compared to how they'd cover a racist church-burning. Or imagine how many weeks we'd spend talking about a church being burned down if it were the kind flying rainbow flags outside?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 25, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
Mask nazis:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1264721468761481216

Another one of those stories that illustrate how we're all in this together. Here's another:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/more-details-emerge-on-viral-video-of-white-karen-calling-cops-on-black-man-who-asked-her-to-leash-her-dog

(Don't watch the video if people mistreating dogs raises your blood pressure.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2020, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: fistful on May 26, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
What I'm getting at is the way media is ignoring this story, compared to how they'd cover a racist church-burning. Or imagine how many weeks we'd spend talking about a church being burned down if it were the kind flying rainbow flags outside?
Well, in this case they only spray painted messages on the concrete.  If they had left a noose somewhere, that would be different.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2020, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: fistful on May 26, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Another one of those stories that illustrate how we're all in this together. Here's another:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/more-details-emerge-on-viral-video-of-white-karen-calling-cops-on-black-man-who-asked-her-to-leash-her-dog

(Don't watch the video if people mistreating dogs raises your blood pressure.)

I was reading that before the video started, the guy was, while not making a direct threat, was alluding that dog treats he had in his pocket were poison, and he was calling her dog to him.

She's still guilty of stupidity though. Best comment that I read was (paraphrased), "What happens when two entitled liberal elites collide."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 26, 2020, 10:21:38 AM
I was reading that before the video started, the guy was, while not making a direct threat, was alluding that dog treats he had in his pocket were poison, and he was calling her dog to him.

She's still guilty of stupidity though. Best comment that I read was (paraphrased), "What happens when two entitled liberal elites collide."
I was seeing that on Twitter and elsewhere this morning.  I was wondering what the guy might have done that caused her to freak out (even if it wasn't serious).  The dog treats is odd, but her claiming poison and then claiming he is threatening her is going way off the deep end. 

Giving dog treats to other people's dogs would seem to be a good way to get them to use a leash.  More of an urban/suburban tactic.  Obviously some people will not take it well. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 26, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
So last week or so, IA governor said anyone can go get tested now, don't need to play the online survey lottery to see if you are selected. Of course shortly after that a bunch of state run testing locations were shutdown. I'm really not one to buy in to conspiracy theories, but something smells like pig manure over this. Seems like someone doesn't want to the numbers of infected to skyrocket, especially since most of the businesses were closed were allowed to open back up last week, bars will be open on Thursday. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on May 26, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: charby on May 26, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
So last week or so, IA governor said anyone can go get tested now, don't need to play the online survey lottery to see if you are selected. Of course shortly after that a bunch of state run testing locations were shutdown. I'm really not one to buy in to conspiracy theories, but something smells like pig manure over this. Seems like someone doesn't want to the numbers of infected to skyrocket, especially since most of the businesses were closed were allowed to open back up last week, bars will be open on Thursday. 
I'll allow that it is possible that your favorite governor may be playing politics with COVID - all the rest of the politicians certainly seem to be - but from what I've heard we hit the point some time ago where there was much more test availability than people wanting to get tested.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 26, 2020, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: cordex on May 26, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
I'll allow that it is possible that your favorite governor may be playing politics with COVID - all the rest of the politicians certainly seem to be - but from what I've heard we hit the point some time ago where there was much more test availability than people wanting to get tested.

Over the weekend we had quite a few local news stories about folks wanting to get tested but no place to get tested, unless they drove a few hours and made an appointment in advance. Every county has a public health office, state could of kicked testing over to them in most of the counties that are not currently a hot spot.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 26, 2020, 10:21:38 AM
I was reading that before the video started, the guy was, while not making a direct threat, was alluding that dog treats he had in his pocket were poison, and he was calling her dog to him.

She's still guilty of stupidity though. Best comment that I read was (paraphrased), "What happens when two entitled liberal elites collide."

That is a very panicked dog by the end.  I'm sure it was picking up on it's owners distress, but damn.  I routinely scoff at leash laws, as my dog is old, slow, under firm voice command, and won't get more than 10 feet from me anyway, but you have to know if you are being a scofflaw, sometime people call you out on it.

You have to wonder why she wouldn't just leave.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2020, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 11:59:37 AM


You have to wonder why she wouldn't just leave.

I guess you missed the "entitled liberal elite" part of my post.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 12:33:04 PM
Valid point.  Soon to be "unemployed entitled liberal elite."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 26, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 12:33:04 PM
Valid point.  Soon to be "unemployed entitled liberal elite."

Hmmm ... actions have consequences.

Who knew?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 26, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 26, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Another one of those stories that illustrate how we're all in this together. Here's another:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/more-details-emerge-on-viral-video-of-white-karen-calling-cops-on-black-man-who-asked-her-to-leash-her-dog

(Don't watch the video if people mistreating dogs raises your blood pressure.)

Heysoos Aitch, did the dog survive?  Looked like it was going down for the count in a couple of places.

Yeah, when aholes collide, but truth to be told, I look at a lot of videos nowadays as "prepared."  Oh, let me say it and get it over with: "FAKED."

And here we are believing stuff just because it's on video, much like people believe everything they read in the newspapers because it's in printed form.

Terry
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 26, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 26, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
I was seeing that on Twitter and elsewhere this morning.  I was wondering what the guy might have done that caused her to freak out (even if it wasn't serious).  The dog treats is odd, but her claiming poison and then claiming he is threatening her is going way off the deep end. 

Giving dog treats to other people's dogs would seem to be a good way to get them to use a leash.  More of an urban/suburban tactic.  Obviously some people will not take it well. 

This is my take, too. If you want to have a place to let your dog run free, PAY FOR IT. If you aren't willing to do that (as New York Liberals seem to think others should be paying for their preferences), then you're going to get called on it.

This guy looks like he's had to deal with entitled New Yorkers plenty and was prepared for it. I also note how the entitled Karen IMMEDIATELY said he was threatening her life. Someone that unhinged should not be allowed in public.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: 230RN on May 26, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Heysoos Aitch, did the dog survive?  Looked like it was going down for the count in a couple of places.

Yeah, when aholes collide, but truth to be told, I look at a lot of videos nowadays as "prepared."  Oh, let me say it and get it over with: "FAKED."

And here we are believing stuff just because it's on video, much like people believe everything they read in the newspapers because it's in printed form.

Terry

It might be faked, or they might both be jerks, but none of that would seem to justify the dog getting dragged around by its collar that way. It appears she had a leash, but was messing with her phone, when she might have been at least putting the leash on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: fistful on May 26, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
It might be faked, or they might both be jerks, but none of that would seem to justify the dog getting dragged around by its collar that way. It appears she had a leash, but was messing with her phone, when she might have been at least putting the leash on.

We clearly aren't the only people that think that.

From the article:
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Abandoned Angels Cocker Spaniel Rescue, from which Amy adopted the dog a few years ago, is currently holding the dog after she “voluntarily surrendered” it “while the incident is being addressed,” NBC reports.

Which brings up another point.  What kind of person turns their dog over to the crazy rescue folks over some social media flap?  She's gotta know she's not getting that pup back.  The real victim is that dog, who was rescued by a neurotic wad of entitlement, forced to live in an apartment in NYC, then ripped away from that home as well.  Someone from upstate with some yard space needs to adopt that poor thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2020, 06:39:54 PM
Paging Willard

CDC warns of starving, aggressive rats amid COVID-19 garbage shortage
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/cdc-warns-of-starving-aggressive-rats-amid-covid-19-garbage-shortage/article_96b3b842-9f43-11ea-9aed-47f9054bb764.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2020, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
We clearly aren't the only people that think that.

From the article:
Which brings up another point.  What kind of person turns their dog over to the crazy rescue folks over some social media flap?  She's gotta know she's not getting that pup back.  The real victim is that dog, who was rescued by a neurotic wad of entitlement, forced to live in an apartment in NYC, then ripped away from that home as well.  Someone from upstate with some yard space needs to adopt that poor thing.

I suspect, given all the media attention, people will be queuing up to adopt the poor thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 26, 2020, 07:04:31 PM
If I'm out with my dog and I turn him loose in an empty but public area, and I get caught (it happens)  I say "Sorry!" and put the leash back on the dog and everybody goes about their day.  Isn't that what normal people do?  I feel bad for the dog here, and I haven't even watched the video.  I don't feel bad for "Karen" or the black man, they might even deserve each other.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on May 26, 2020, 07:04:31 PM
If I'm out with my dog and I turn him loose in an empty but public area, and I get caught (it happens)  I say "Sorry!" and put the leash back on the dog and everybody goes about their day.  Isn't that what normal people do?  I feel bad for the dog here, and I haven't even watched the video.  I don't feel bad for "Karen" or the black man, they might even deserve each other.

I think they're both named Karen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on May 26, 2020, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on May 26, 2020, 07:04:31 PM
If I'm out with my dog and I turn him loose in an empty but public area, and I get caught (it happens)  I say "Sorry!" and put the leash back on the dog and everybody goes about their day.  Isn't that what normal people do? 

One would think.

Observing human behaviour in response to this plague season is way more interesting to me than the whole virus/plague thing itself.  It keeps reminding me we really don't know what's going on in other peoples' heads.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 26, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
When he said then I will do what I want and you won't like it and called the dog over I can see starting to worry. I don't care what color the person is.

I'll never be in that situation because one I'll never be in New York and two I'll never have a dog if they don't have room to run on my place.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2020, 09:43:04 PM
For some personal C19 news I was finally able to get a hair cut.
No longer feel the urge to say "Wow Man" constantly
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 26, 2020, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on May 26, 2020, 09:16:03 PM
One would think.

Observing human behaviour in response to this plague season is way more interesting to me than the whole virus/plague thing itself.  It keeps reminding me we really don't know what's going on in other peoples' heads.

The problem is that sane, rational people are not generally capable of understanding what goes on in the mind of far to great a percentage of the population.
There is also a significant portion of the population where there is nothing at all going on in their minds other than direct reaction to stimulus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 26, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
That dog video makes me wish we had actual cloned prehistoric critters so I could have this as a pet.



And I don't believe in leash laws. >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on May 28, 2020, 09:12:46 AM
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-media/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-media/)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on May 26, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
That dog video makes me wish we had actual cloned prehistoric critters so I could have this as a pet.



And I don't believe in leash laws. >:D
And people are welcome to carry snacks for your pet.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 28, 2020, 01:23:41 PM
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Governments cannot openly admit that the "controlled easing” of COVID-19 lockdowns in fact means controlled progress toward so-called herd immunity to the virus. Much better, then, to pursue this objective silently, under a cloud of obfuscation, and hope that a vaccine will arrive before most of the population gets infected.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/governments-cannot-admit-covid19-herd-immunity-objective-by-robert-skidelsky-2020-05

My apologies if this has been posted before. It's from a British econ prof.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 28, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on May 26, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
That dog video makes me wish we had actual cloned prehistoric critters so I could have this as a pet.



And I don't believe in leash laws. >:D

As someone who owned a very dog aggressive bitch, I do believe in leash laws and not for the safety of MY animal.

I'm a big believer in toddler leashes, too, and for the same reasons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 08:44:26 PM
Second wave?

Huge locust swarms hit India, East Africa amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/science/huge-locust-swarms-hit-india-east-africa-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.amp?__twitter_impression=true

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/05/640/320/LocustsJaipurGetty20.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 08:59:06 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RipeVelvetyDeer-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 28, 2020, 09:26:49 PM
Cicada killers look much like murder hornets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 28, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on May 28, 2020, 09:26:49 PM
Cicada killers look much like murder hornets.

Different branches, those are the homicide Hornets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 28, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Different branches, those are the homicide Hornets.

Cousins of the Manslaughter Hornets
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on May 28, 2020, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 28, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Different branches, those are the homicide Hornets.

Wrong Taxonomic Order, Cicada Killers are wasps, not hornets
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 29, 2020, 04:56:58 AM

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List of the ten plagues
1.Blood
2.Frogs
3.Lice or gnats
4.Flies
5.Livestock
6.Boils
7.Hail
8.Locust
9.Darkness
10.Death of firstborn
https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-are-10-plagues-egypt

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on May 29, 2020, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: 230RN on May 29, 2020, 04:56:58 AM


I didn't see Facebook on that list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 29, 2020, 08:14:42 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on May 29, 2020, 07:55:20 AM
I didn't see Facebook on that list.

#3
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on May 29, 2020, 07:55:20 AM
I didn't see Facebook on that list.
What about Twitter shadow banning? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 08:59:06 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RipeVelvetyDeer-size_restricted.gif)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 29, 2020, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
And people are welcome to carry snacks for your pet.   =)
     :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on May 29, 2020, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: BlueStarLizzard on May 28, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
As someone who owned a very dog aggressive bitch, I do believe in leash laws and not for the safety of MY animal.

I'm a big believer in toddler leashes, too, and for the same reasons.

Let me clarify my position;  I favor leashes & leash laws for actual, real animals like dogs and politicians.   
I feel they're counterproductive for science fictiony creatures like velociraptors. [tinfoil]

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
Well, we now know how the Planet of the Apes actually evolved:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/sky-news-monkeys-in-india-allegedly-attacked-a-lab-worker-and-escaped-with-covid-19-samples/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on May 29, 2020, 10:46:29 AM
https://oye.news/news/world-news/scientists-warn-virus-cases-disappearing-to-fast-for-meaningful-vaccine-studies/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on May 29, 2020, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on May 29, 2020, 10:46:29 AM
https://oye.news/news/world-news/scientists-warn-virus-cases-disappearing-to-fast-for-meaningful-vaccine-studies/

Yep... it's just burning out on its own and we killed off millions of small businesses for nothing.

AND the (blue state) government refuses to take the pillow off the victim, hoping to kill more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 29, 2020, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: makattak on May 29, 2020, 10:56:17 AM
Yep... it's just burning out on its own and we killed off millions of small businesses for nothing.

AND the (blue state) government refuses to take the pillow knee off the victim's neck, hoping to kill more.

FTFY.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 29, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: 230RN on May 29, 2020, 04:56:58 AM
Quote

List of the ten plagues
1.Blood
2.Frogs
3.Lice or gnats
4.Flies
5.Livestock
6.Boils
7.Hail
8.Locust
9.Darkness
10.Death of firstborn


(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/plagues-600x425.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 02:12:26 PM
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1263660557200056320?s=19
This video was making the rounds showing a guy in Michigan beating on an elderly nursing home patient.  Just now I heard the guy tested positive for COVID-19 and was actually being quarantined in the nursing home.  

Michigan lawmaker calls Whitmer’s COVID-19 nursing home policy ‘most idiotic thing we could come up with’
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/27/michigan-lawmaker-calls-whitmers-covid-19-nursing-home-policy-most-idiotic-thing-we-could-come-up-with/
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LANSING, Mich. – A Michigan lawmaker whose mother has now tested positive for the coronavirus (COVID-19) said Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s controversial nursing home policy that puts infected patients in the same facilities as negative patients is the “most idiotic thing we could come up with.”

Editorial: Michigan must release nursing home virus data
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/05/27/editorial-michigan-must-release-nursing-home-virus-data/5261264002/
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The governor’s first set of orders demanded that nursing homes under 80% capacity take in COVID-19 patients who need extended care, and isolate them in their own units.
............................
But, Michigan still is not reporting data from nursing homes and extended-care facilities. So there's no chance for independent scrutiny of how well the policy change is working to reduce deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 02:16:15 PM
This is from a couple weeks ago.

https://www.stevegruber.com/2020/05/michigan-governor-continues-to-ship-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-around-the-state-while-ordering-us-to-stay-in-our-homes/

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As of today, there are 289 COVID-19 patients currently in nursing homes that the state has transferred to these facilities. These homes are designated by the state of Michigan as “regional hubs” and they make a lot of money taking care of them. They get a a $5000 per bed incentive in addition to the standard amount that they get per day for their ongoing care.

These transferred patients are people who aren’t sick enough to be in the hospital but who test positive and still need care. The regional hubs are a reality because Michigan Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive order that makes it mandatory for a nursing home to accept a patient back to their facility unless they are unable to care for them. If they can’t provide adequate care, sending the patient to a regional hub is one of their options.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 05:09:44 PM


Drunk Hindu priest, 70, beheads man in Indian temple as a human sacrifice to goddess who came to him in a dream and said it would end coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8369177/Indian-priest-beheads-man-sacrifice-goddess-order-end-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 29, 2020, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 05:09:44 PM

Drunk Hindu priest, 70, beheads man in Indian temple as a human sacrifice to goddess who came to him in a dream and said it would end coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8369177/Indian-priest-beheads-man-sacrifice-goddess-order-end-coronavirus.html

Goddess, eh? Must'a been a wet dream.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
Well, judging from the lack of social distancing at the riots, and the lack of the MSM crying "we're all going to die from lack of social distancing at the riots", I figure the virus is over now and we can end lockdowns everywhere, put the masks away, and get back to normal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 30, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
Well, judging from the lack of social distancing at the riots, and the lack of the MSM crying "we're all going to die from lack of social distancing at the riots", I figure the virus is over now and we can end lockdowns everywhere, put the masks away, and get back to normal.

From what I am hearing said this morning:
1.  the CDC and WHO are saying healthy people shouldn't wear masks.
2.  It might be worse for your health to quarantine yourself at home. 
3.  The CDC and others grossly underestimated the infection rates which skewed the statistics. 
4.  IMO, it is starting to look like the higher death rates in some states might be due in big part to terrible policies enforced in some states deliberately spreading the disease to people in high risk categories. 

I still think this was a new disease that required some learning curve on the part of physicians to treat and it is still something to be weary of just like a bad strain of flu.  Most definitely you should be weary if you are in one of the vulnerable groups.  Everyone else, get back to work and reopen. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 02, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
From what I am hearing said this morning:
1.  the CDC and WHO are saying healthy people shouldn't wear masks.
2.  It might be worse for your health to quarantine yourself at home. 
3.  The CDC and others grossly underestimated the infection rates which skewed the statistics. 
4.  IMO, it is starting to look like the higher death rates in some states might be due in big part to terrible policies enforced in some states deliberately spreading the disease to people in high risk categories. 

I still think this was a new disease that required some learning curve on the part of physicians to treat and it is still something to be weary of just like a bad strain of flu.  Most definitely you should be weary if you are in one of the vulnerable groups.  Everyone else, get back to work and reopen. 

In shorter words: We've massively over-reacted and our political leaders are stubbornly refusing to follow the data.

Because they BELIEVE in science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: makattak on June 02, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
In shorter words: We've massively over-reacted and our political leaders are stubbornly refusing to follow the data.

Because they BELIEVE in science.

I absolutely expect that with something new like this there are going to be unknowns and mistakes in response, and I want to be very lenient in my criticism regarding response because of that. But some of the social distancing and mask wearing nazis are becoming very analogous to the worst of the climate change crowd. "We must eliminate all cars or the world will end in five years!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on June 02, 2020, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 30, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
Well, judging from the lack of social distancing at the riots, and the lack of the MSM crying "we're all going to die from lack of social distancing at the riots", I figure the virus is over now and we can end lockdowns everywhere, put the masks away, and get back to normal.

I watched Bookface livestream from our little small town riot* Monday Sunday.  There was some complaining in the comments about masks and distancing.

(*if you're FB friends with me I posted pics and comments from Monday's and Tuesday's Sunday's and Monday's festivities.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 02, 2020, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 02, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
I absolutely expect that with something new like this there are going to be unknowns and mistakes in response, and I want to be very lenient in my criticism regarding response because of that. But some of the social distancing and mask wearing nazis are becoming very analogous to the worst of the climate change crowd. "We must eliminate all cars or the world will end in five years!"

My problem isn't really the over-reaction. It was new and we couldn't trust anything from China. (And they welded people into their apartment buildings.... that suggests something bad)

My problem is the "stubborn refusal" part. This is clearly nowhere near as bad as was first thought and we should have ended the lockdowns more than a month ago. But we're still all locked up (those of us in blue "utopias") because of the party that BELIEVES in SCIENCE!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 02, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 02, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
I absolutely expect that with something new like this there are going to be unknowns and mistakes in response, and I want to be very lenient in my criticism regarding response because of that. But some of the social distancing and mask wearing nazis are becoming very analogous to the worst of the climate change crowd. "We must eliminate all cars or the world will end in five years!"

I agree with Ben, with the codicil that the response evolved over time as new data and knowledge became available, and sometimes there is not a generally-recognized consensus on the data and knowledge, so sometimes you have make your best SWAG, which in retrospect may or may not prove to be the best course of action. And Public Health recommends what Public Health does: to save lives in the population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 02, 2020, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 02, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
And Public Health recommends what Public Health does: to save lives in the population.

Without any regard to the other public health deaths they are causing, it seems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 02, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
I agree with Ben, with the codicil that the response evolved over time as new data and knowledge became available, and sometimes there is not a generally-recognized consensus on the data and knowledge, so sometimes you have make your best SWAG, which in retrospect may or may not prove to be the best course of action. And Public Health recommends what Public Health does: to save lives in the population.
I would say part of the problem in some states is the official response did not keep up with the information or even use the information available.  How can any rational person put COVID-19 patients in nursing homes especially based on what was known at the time about who was most vulnerable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 02, 2020, 03:35:28 PM
(https://deepfriedbits.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/cyk4qy910q151.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on June 02, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
I still think this was a new disease that required some learning curve on the part of physicians to treat and it is still something to be weary of just like a bad strain of flu.  Most definitely you should be weary if you are in one of the vulnerable groups.  Everyone else, get back to work and reopen.

Yeah, I'm quite weary of it all.  Wary however, not so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on June 02, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Yeah, I'm quite weary of it all.  Wary however, not so much.

I'm so thankful that we've moved on to the next nationally imposed psy op.

Couldn't they have been more creative instead of pulling out the old racist cop/lets riot chestnut?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 03, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
I would say part of the problem in some states is the official response did not keep up with the information or even use the information available. How can any rational person put COVID-19 patients in nursing homes especially based on what was known at the time about who was most vulnerable.

Based on anything known at anytime!  You DO NOT  expose people in nursing homes, or the infirm,  to flu-like viruses regardless of how "much you know" or do not know about the virus.  
Some political leaders ( Cuomo ....?.... De Blasio....?)  don't  have the sense God gave a pump handle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2020, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on June 02, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Yeah, I'm quite weary of it all.  Wary however, not so much.
Okay.  I will try to be more wary of when I am using weary instead of wary.  Some people have trouble there word choice.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 03, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
You people are still talking about this? The 'Rona is SOOO last month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 03, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw

Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 03, 2020, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 03, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw

Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.

Meanwhile, Norway says the lockdown was overkill:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 03, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
Okay, I give up.

For initial returns to campus, our esteemed leaders came up with 144 sq ft per person per lab for calculating the number of persons in a space. Their reasoning? Social distancing guidelines are six feet between people. Well, since it's six feet one way, then it's six feet the other. Hey, that's twelve! We just square the total and, viola, 144 sq ft! (self-congratulations and back pats all around...) *sigh*

I had to explain to a PhD that this magical, mystical 144 sq ft box is not "six feet between people", but actually twelve. He could not comprehend, and I think still doesn't even after a drawn diagram, that placing each person at the center of a 144 sq ft square means six feet to the edge of each person's box, not six feet between people. 6 + 6 = 12. Basic linear distance and simple first grade math. I decided to really tweak him and mentioned it wasn't even right for twelve feet because they'd calculated for rectangular area rather than circular (144 sq ft vs. 113.1 for the pedants). I thought his head was going to explode.

I am getting a solid laugh at their expense, though. They finally set up the screening points. Had to pare the number of checkpoints and hours because their presumed volunteer participation evaporated. Now it's four checkpoints for a mere hour each morning (7:30a-8:30a). In three days they've scanned a total of 31 people. That's 31 people out of more than five hundred approved for return to on-site work. When word got out about screening station locations and schedules, people simply arrived after 8:30 or came in a different door. It's a pathetic joke and I'm grinning like the Cheshire Cat at their frustration.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 03, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-idUSKBN2392WR

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on June 03, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
My wife's employer has reopened their onsite massage services.  So you can go and get a full body massage.  Mask is required.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on June 04, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
Hmmmm where have we heard this before?  https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on June 04, 2020, 10:18:03 AM
Trump colluding with the Russians again.  =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 04, 2020, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 03, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717?fbclid=IwAR1fAYkAwS22HoS1tfaHDsFbWXr9ZaZ--nQa9ValG3W1v4bxFRIxPT8miEw

Sweden now says it was a mistake not to go into lockdown since too many people died.

The individual who initially gave us the 2.2 million dead in America if nothing was done now says lockdown changed absolutly nothing and Sweden did it right.   As for "too many people died,"   well ,  yea, compared to how many would have died if China had not lied, covered up,  and actually had requested help.  

I've forgotten the figures but Sweden really does not look too bad.   However,  it's a myth they did no lockdown.  They did some,  it just was not as broad as most others.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 04, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 04, 2020, 12:00:53 PM
The individual who initially gave us the 2.2 million dead in America if nothing was done now says lockdown changed absolutly nothing and Sweden did it right.

Meanwhile, Sweden says Sweden did it wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 04, 2020, 01:21:12 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101061050_3680487908645068_4445351654564298752_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=988RBSW5U6wAX_SmTaz&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=d1ff996bd7512b5967762a91626e5073&oe=5EFD8DAC)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on June 04, 2020, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: adively on June 04, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
Hmmmm where have we heard this before?  https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naTw9y7zsE][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naTw9y7zsE (http://[url)[/url]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on June 03, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-idUSKBN2392WR


Lancet Formally Retracts Fake Hydroxychloroquine Study Used By Media To Attack Trump

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/04/lancet-formally-retracts-fake-hydroxychloroquine-study-used-by-media-to-attack-trump-inbox/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 05, 2020, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 04, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
Meanwhile, Sweden says Sweden did it wrong.

Do I hear an echo in here?   

I think there is a growing realization in some areas that  we didn't need the lockdown we employed.  We should have concentrated on protecting the aged, infirm,  and those with  comorbidities  and let younger people more or less alone,  or use masks indoors   when in company.

I don't personally know if Sweden did it wel,, or poorly .... sorta think they're mainly o.k. 

I do think we went much too far. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 01:29:02 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 05, 2020, 12:00:53 AM

I don't personally know if Sweden did it wel,, or poorly .... sorta think they're mainly o.k. 
 

I don't know personally, either, since I'm not there. Data indicate the Sweden has had a CV-19 death rate 10 times higher than Norway, which did have a lockdown. That sounds statistically significant to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on June 05, 2020, 06:28:02 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 01:29:02 AM
I don't know personally, either, since I'm not there. Data indicate the Sweden has had a CV-19 death rate 10 times higher than Norway, which did have a lockdown. That sounds statistically significant to me.
1. 10 times higher?  I doubt it.
2. There are massive state-to-state differences in the US.  Even states with similar policies.
3. Testing plays a big part in calculated death rates. For that matter, so does attribution of death.
4. Have those lives been “saved”, or were the deaths delayed by a few months?  The virus isn’t gone, and I’m not counting on a miracle cure any time soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 09:15:24 AM
Quote from: cordex on June 05, 2020, 06:28:02 AM
1. 10 times higher?  I doubt it.


I didn't make up that number.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/swedens-covid-death-rate-now-ten-times-higher-than-norways/

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handled-coronavirus-differently-2020-4?op=1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on June 05, 2020, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 09:15:24 AM
I didn't make up that number.
Doesn't change my doubt in the slightest.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 05, 2020, 10:09:59 AM
Um ... Is Sweden the outlier or is it Norway? How does each country compare to the rest of the world?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 05, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on June 05, 2020, 10:09:59 AM
Um ... Is Sweden the outlier or is it Norway? How does each country compare to the rest of the world?

Woody

A case could be made either way.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 05:32:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZxEQ3YVAAAgKkj?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/05/this-cant-be-real-calif-countys-maximum-allowance-for-social-gatherings-protests-church-perfectly-sum-up-the-insanity/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 07, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
The headline and lede are meant to suggest that a store manager was attacked by someone because the attacker didn't want to wear a mask. But, not surprisingly, someone freaked out for the usual reasons people flip out in retail stores.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/07/bloodied-modesto-store-manager-describes-life-in-age-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 07, 2020, 07:46:24 PM
From the Twitchy responses:

Quote
I'm sorry, but… 😂😂😂

Does this mean people could gather in a group of 100 people, and claim it wasn't a social gathering, but rather a protest about the fact that social gathering is limited to 12 people? https://t.co/miLeljlyMg

— Jeremy Stangroom (@PhilosophyExp) June 5, 2020

 =D cum laude there, Jeremy !

:rofl:

Terry, 230RN



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 07, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 05, 2020, 05:32:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZxEQ3YVAAAgKkj?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/05/this-cant-be-real-calif-countys-maximum-allowance-for-social-gatherings-protests-church-perfectly-sum-up-the-insanity/

https://babylonbee.com/news/churchgoers-avoid-arrest-by-disguising-themselves-as-rioters
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 09, 2020, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.

LOL
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 09, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-u-s-study-finds/

More modeling on the infection rate.

Are these the studies that were submitted for review on March 8?

If so, it seems they might be basing their study more on projections than data....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2020, 09:00:30 AM
Apropos of nothing, or maybe something. I went in for my annual physical last week and the receptionist was wearing her mask with her nose exposed.  :laugh:

I wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't required to. The staff all had them on, though given my above observation, likely to little effect. I got my physical at the rural clinic in town where the doc only shows up a couple of times a week. It's part of a fairly big regional medical center though, so the mask stuff might be stricter in the city clinics.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_health+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Health%29

With additional confirmation of these findings, I will be interested to see if this changes the recommendations on masking at all. The primary reason I mask up is that I work daily in a healthcare facility surrounded by sick people, and I want to reduce the possibility that I am asymptomatically shedding virus to others.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon.  Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense  I witness.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 09, 2020, 09:00:30 AM
Apropos of nothing, or maybe something. I went in for my annual physical last week and the receptionist was wearing her mask with her nose exposed.  :laugh:

I wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't required to. The staff all had them on, though given my above observation, likely to little effect. I got my physical at the rural clinic in town where the doc only shows up a couple of times a week. It's part of a fairly big regional medical center though, so the mask stuff might be stricter in the city clinics.

My very large multi-state healthcare system is generally requiring all staff to wear a mask and all patients and visitors to wear a mask, unless prevented by doing so for a medical reason.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2020, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon.  Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense  I witness.

I wasn't even offered a covid test.  I should have remembered to ask - I'm actually curious as to whether I've had it or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 09, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_health+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Health%29

With additional confirmation of these findings, I will be interested to see if this changes the recommendations on masking at all. The primary reason I mask up is that I work daily in a healthcare facility surrounded by sick people, and I want to reduce the possibility that I am asymptomatically shedding virus to others.

As most of the response has been theatre for the past month or two, I'm doubting that new information is going to stop the bullheaded "experts" in the states that are refusing to release their citizens from house arrest.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on June 09, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 09, 2020, 10:05:17 AM
I wasn't even offered a covid test.  I should have remembered to ask - I'm actually curious as to whether I've had it or not.

I kind of thought I might have had it early this year.  In fact, most people I've spoken to have mentioned having a bad cold/respiratory condition in early spring.  In fact, my sister was curious enough to get an antibody test, which came back negative.  I think there was just a nasty non-covid cold that had gone through the area.  I doubt I've had the covid . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I've got a pre-op physical scheduled for.this afternoon.  Part of it includes a Covid test. I'll report back on the health and safety theater nonsense  I witness.

Check in for fever, questions and hand me a mask.
The Covid test was singularly unpleasant, swabbing up the nose and sample apparantly taken from somewhere behind the frontal lobe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on June 09, 2020, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
The Covid test was singularly unpleasant, swabbing up the nose and sample apparently taken from somewhere behind the frontal lobe.

So you're saying you received a free frontal lobotomy with your beer virus test?  Did it help any?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 03:00:03 PM
I don't think.so, I still hate my job and I'm pretty sure im still a grumpy, middle aged ahole.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 04:52:51 PM
^^^It's not a bug, it's a feature!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 09, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Is the nasal swab used to look for antibodies from a previous infection as well as active infection?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 05:44:04 PM
I have no idea. The nurse was a little vague about it. The setup was pure Rube Goldberg though. They had a plexiglass screen with 2 holes cut in it with long rubber sleeve things with big gloves on the end of it. I held the swab and the container while she went in to the gloves and then jammed the swab up my nose and then place the swab into the container. Now I'm wondering how often they change out the gloves that were on my side. :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 09, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Ron on June 09, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Is the nasal swab used to look for antibodies from a previous infection as well as active infection?

No. The nasal swab is a culture used to check for active infection.  A blood test is used to check for antibodies from a previous infection.  Much work is being done on other means of checking for antibodies, such as saliva; but so far the commerical antibody tests are blood.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on June 09, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
Our idiot governor may shut down *expletive deleted*it again and the idiot mayor of the nearest big city to me is panicking and ready to shut down that city again
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 09, 2020, 10:04:07 PM
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-06-09/novel-coronavirus-may-have-been-spreading-in-china-in-august-harvard-research-indicates
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 09, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on June 09, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
I kind of thought I might have had it early this year.  In fact, most people I've spoken to have mentioned having a bad cold/respiratory condition in early spring.  In fact, my sister was curious enough to get an antibody test, which came back negative.  I think there was just a nasty non-covid cold that had gone through the area.  I doubt I've had the covid . . . .
I haven't heard of tests available here.

There was a lot of "crud" going around here as well.  I had some sort of upper respiratory thing in late January.  Kept having a cough and nasal drainage.  Finally shook it off.  It was probably just the normal stuff, but you never know.  The Port of Freeport isn't all that far away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on June 10, 2020, 08:11:51 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 09, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
I haven't heard of tests available here.

There was a lot of "crud" going around here as well.  I had some sort of upper respiratory thing in late January.  Kept having a cough and nasal drainage.  Finally shook it off.  It was probably just the normal stuff, but you never know.  The Port of Freeport isn't all that far away.

She went through Quest Diagnostics (http://www.questdiagnostics.com).  Quest offers testing for just about everything and probably has a location near you.  I hadn't realized that a person can just order a test, I always thought it had to go through a doctor or employer or whatnot.  They test for everything from blood type to STDs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 10, 2020, 03:34:21 PM
Some good may come from this:

https://tfipost.com/2020/06/leave-global-companies-even-chinese-companies-like-and-tiktok-and-alibaba-have-abandoned-their-country/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 10, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on June 10, 2020, 03:34:21 PM
Some good may come from this:

https://tfipost.com/2020/06/leave-global-companies-even-chinese-companies-like-and-tiktok-and-alibaba-have-abandoned-their-country/

It's a ruse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 10, 2020, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: Ron on June 10, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
It's a ruse.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 11, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bald-men-higher-risk-severe-case-covid-19-research-finds/

So I am screwed.  It was an honor serving with you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 11, 2020, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 11, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bald-men-higher-risk-severe-case-covid-19-research-finds/

So I am screwed.  It was an honor serving with you.

The chances of you getting run over by a stoned hipster are probably greater than getting covid 19.

You aren't escaping the forum that easily, you get to stick around and suffer like the rest of us  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 11, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bald-men-higher-risk-severe-case-covid-19-research-finds/

So I am screwed.  It was an honor serving with you.

So if I read that article right, I'm back to this being a Chinese bioweapon. They designed a virus to kill off all the real men in enemy populations and leave only androgen lacking girly men behind as a submissive slave population.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 11, 2020, 08:42:37 AM
^^^But on the plus side, their hair will be fabulous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 11, 2020, 10:09:39 AM
I'm back to short hair after a visit to the barber yesterday. Ivy League Crew.

My hair was a little too long before the lockdown and then after several months with all the shops closed it grew almost long enough for a pony tail.

It was long and I fancied I looked like a Germanic Berserker ... instead everyone said I looked like a hippy  :laugh:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 11, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 11, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
So if I read that article right, I'm back to this being a Chinese bioweapon. They designed a virus to kill off all the real men in enemy populations and leave only androgen lacking girly men behind as a submissive slave population.  =D

Why would they bother when the dems have pretty much done that for them for free.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 11, 2020, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: Ron on June 11, 2020, 10:09:39 AM
I'm back to short hair after a visit to the barber yesterday. Ivy League Crew.

My hair was a little too long before the lockdown and then after several months with all the shops closed it grew almost long enough for a pony tail.

It was long and I fancied I looked like a Germanic Berserker ... instead everyone said I looked like a hippy  :laugh:



I went by the barber shop I've been using for the last 15 or so years. Seems she closed up shop. The place was cleaned out.  :'(

I went and bought some clippers and will buzz it all off this weekend with a #2 or #3 guard and see how that looks. I'm
Not particularly vain about my hair at my age.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 11, 2020, 08:08:46 PM
My head hurts
Quote
    This virus DOES discriminate — because our nation discriminates.

    We may be beginning to restart but we’re not repeating a broken status quo.

    — Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) June 11, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/11/woke-stupidity-on-parade-bill-de-blasio-claims-covid-actually-does-discriminate-annnd-omg-stupid-like-this-should-be-painful/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 11, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
Check in for fever, questions and hand me a mask.
The Covid test was singularly unpleasant, swabbing up the nose and sample apparantly taken from somewhere behind the frontal lobe.

Got my Covid test results today, WOO HOO! I'm negative.

 ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 11, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 11, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Got my Covid test results today, WOO HOO! I'm negative.

 ;/

Wouldn't it be better if you'd already had it and never knew it? ? ? ?  =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 12, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
After however many months it's been that the essential personnel at my company have been working with no kung flu outbreaks amongst us management has decided that starting today we must all wear masks when away from our desks. They are also instituting temperature checks and all employees must now enter through the main entrance.
I'll be out for 12.weeks after my shoulder surgery Monday. I'm hoping either the stupidity wears off or I get the rumored buy out offer and can retire and never have to go back except to sign my papers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
Black trans lives matter (Note: BTLM, not BLM) protest in Brooklyn. I still have to wear a mask at Costco and can't sit at the bar to have a burger and beer in a near empty restaurant here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EagQ_UGWAAAnoLJ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on June 15, 2020, 09:05:56 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 11, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
Wouldn't it be better if you'd already had it and never knew it? ? ? ?  =|

The swab only checks for active infections.  It doesn't say weather or not RKL (or anyone getting tested) had it before.  For that you need an antibody test (which involves a blood draw) and there's some question of the efficaccy of those tests currently anyway.  (i.e. patients that are known to have had COVID test antibody negative)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 15, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 15, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
Black trans lives matter (Note: BTLM, not BLM) protest in Brooklyn. I still have to wear a mask at Costco and can't sit at the bar to have a burger and beer in a near empty restaurant here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EagQ_UGWAAAnoLJ?format=jpg&name=small)

I'm required to wear a mask anytime I go inside of a "public" building here in Virginia.

When I do go into buildings not my home1, I notice there is, at best, a 50% compliance rate, and it's only that high because the workers are forced to wear them to keep their jobs.

People, thankfully, aren't sheep and can see that the mask directive is pointless.


1: In buildings that are my home, they compliance rate is 0% unless the children decide to use the masks their grandmother made for them for ninja costumes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 15, 2020, 11:17:27 AM
I dare you not to sing this.


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/102444095_10157052190342111_2687728099092763214_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=dd7718&_nc_ohc=L1yGOePv12kAX9r8XqZ&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=0dc053599b324f7ef217ebae14cd268e&oe=5F0D74FA)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2020, 12:20:31 PM
NYC "test and trace" being told not to ask infected people if they attended demonstrations. So much for "trace". Unless it's a church or restaurant or playground or something. Party of science.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/15/as-anti-science-as-it-gets-nyc-mayor-tells-covid-19-test-and-trace-team-at-what-point-they-should-stop-tracing-just-guess/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 16, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
Getting back to the prepping portion of this thread, I ordered two of these shelving units from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0727YYPR2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They'll go in the basement, without the wheels, for storage of canned and dry goods to extend what I can store in my pantry.

I figure between those two shelves I can get close to 4 months of canned and dry foods laid by. And yes, I am going to devote a shelf to some extra toilet paper.  :rofl:

I've also started working on filling the freezer. I was at my local market over the weekend and come on a manager's special on 3 lb packs of their Nature's Promise (supposedly no antibiotics, etc., and generally expensive as hell) for $1.67 a pound because it was hitting its sell by date the next day. I picked up two, I should have picked up the other two but I wasn't sure how many freezer bags I had left.

I now have 6 1-lb packages of ground turkey in the deep freeze along with about 6 pounds of pork.

I've also started laying in multiple cans of tomatoes (I use a TON of canned tomatoes) and will start adding other veggies as well.


Back when I first heard about this coming out of China in late January I had a weird feeling that this one was going to have some legs and potential for disruption, so I started laying in extra food supplies at that time, but didn't get nearly what I wanted when things started shutting down and people started to freak out.

I was fine, ultimately, for a variety of different reasons, but if the Kung Flu comes roaring back as my gut tells me it's going to, I'm going to be a lot more prepared.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 16, 2020, 08:31:49 AM
Make sure you stock up on snow shovels and warm clothing.  We are entering a solar minimum period.

http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/Evid_Based_Climate_Sci/Ev_Based_Climate_Sci_Chap11.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 16, 2020, 08:56:10 AM
So, solar flu?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 16, 2020, 09:25:28 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Quote
A cheap and widely available drug can help save the lives of patients seriously ill with coronavirus.

The low-dose steroid treatment dexamethasone is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus, UK experts say.

The drug is part of the world's biggest trial testing existing treatments to see if they also work for coronavirus.

It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
Trump killed Omar's father.
Actually wouldn't surprise if she does try to spin it that way at some point

Rep. Ilhan Omar announces death of father from COVID-19 complications
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-announces-death-of-father-from-covid-19-complications
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 16, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 16, 2020, 08:56:10 AM
So, solar flu?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

That's probably either racist, sexist or homophobic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 16, 2020, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
Trump killed Omar's father.
Actually wouldn't surprise if she does try to spin it that way at some point

Rep. Ilhan Omar announces death of father from COVID-19 complications
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-announces-death-of-father-from-covid-19-complications

Father or father in law? Never mind, same guy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 16, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
That's probably either racist, sexist or homophobic.

Well the sun is a yellow dwarf so that would mean racist + discrimination against undersized persons
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on June 16, 2020, 01:00:29 PM
Don't forget anti-science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 16, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 15, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
Black trans lives matter (Note: BTLM, not BLM) protest in Brooklyn. I still have to wear a mask at Costco and can't sit at the bar to have a burger and beer in a near empty restaurant here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EagQ_UGWAAAnoLJ?format=jpg&name=small)

I am supposed to wear a mask anytime I leave home and go somewhere that I "might" be within six feet of other people. And the lamestream media are pounding Trump for wanting to hold a rally, yet they don't seem to have any problem with demonstrations such as these.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 16, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I've ordered some almost certainly fake KN95 respirator masks from Amazon.  It should be obvious whether they are made of some kind of filter cloth and whether they leak or not.  The places that I've found sell real CE certified KN95 and FFP2 masks only sell in very high quantities for about $4 apiece, and then sometimes only sell to existing customers.  Even counterfeit masks if they are well made will be better than a scarf or whatever nonsense.  For $16 for a box of ten I'll take a chance.

(KN95 and FFP2 are the Chinese and European equivalent specifications for USA N95 respirator masks.  There's also Japanese, Australian, Korean, etc specs with different designation, and they are all pretty much equivalent)

Perhaps I should search for P1 respirators.  Those only filter 80% instead of 95%, but that's a lot better than nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on June 16, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
You people need to come around on the sheeple mask stuff. I am wearing that red bandana as long as I can get away with it, this is a rare day we get to give such a giant middle finger to face recognition tech.

In other news all the Virginia health departments still aren't taking people in, so trying to get my daughter's 2nd HPV vaccine is on hold. So vaccinations, pregnancy services and nutritional programs are being held up by a bunch of people who effing love science.

I went looking for my annual internet fix to keep up with the Isle of Man TT and other Irish road racing. They cancelled the races this year due to the rona. A race that will almost certainly kill someone every year canx for a virus you most likely will survive.

Chicken wire is the new toilet paper, needed some, so did everyone else. My ducks now have a huge space all to themselves since they can't free range when no one is here, too many shenanigans involving other people's yards.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 17, 2020, 12:47:47 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-toilet-flush-spread-covid-commode-20200616-l3xuvbvmkvg7xdihgnwc3azajm-story.html

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0013318

Close the toilet lid before flushing to reduce the risk of fecal aerosols carrying COVID.  Although there has been literature for many years about toilet flushing spreading germs throughout the bathroom.  One of the reasons that I always close the lid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 17, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 16, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
That's probably either racist, sexist or homophobic.

I tried my best...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 08:28:11 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 17, 2020, 12:47:47 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-toilet-flush-spread-covid-commode-20200616-l3xuvbvmkvg7xdihgnwc3azajm-story.html

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0013318

Close the toilet lid before flushing to reduce the risk of fecal aerosols carrying COVID.  Although there has been literature for many years about toilet flushing spreading germs throughout the bathroom.  One of the reasons that I always close the lid.

You first got to get people to flush
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 17, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 08:28:11 AM
You first got to get people to flush

And- as is the case of most public toilets I've seen- have a lid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 17, 2020, 08:48:46 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/17/878946307/the-rich-have-stopped-spending-and-thats-tanked-the-economy?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR3PMHkn0fSvargFIqTCM2hj2uiip--dPZ5G3vXVeRi9uwFF07CIzT9junk

Everyone needs to get out there and start spending again. Get that money in circulation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: makattak on June 17, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
And- as is the case of most public toilets I've seen- have a lid.

Urinal aiming should also be a required course for men
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 08:53:46 AM
Urinal aiming should also be a required course for men
Just need bigger urinals.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:54:03 AM
Just need bigger urinals.   =D

There are those who could miss a football field even if they were standing in the middle of it.

One of my pet peeves of life is having to stand in a piss puddle while I take a leak. JHC! How hard is it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 17, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 17, 2020, 08:48:46 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/17/878946307/the-rich-have-stopped-spending-and-thats-tanked-the-economy?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR3PMHkn0fSvargFIqTCM2hj2uiip--dPZ5G3vXVeRi9uwFF07CIzT9junk

Everyone needs to get out there and start spending again. Get that money in circulation.

I noticed that even though I wasn't really on total lockdown where I live, and even now that most businesses are open in some way, I wasn't, and am still not, spending like I did pre-virus.

I normally did a once a week Costco run, and I've cut that in half. Not to save money, but just because not going there during the virus got me in the mindset that I simply don't need/want to go there that often anymore.

I would go out and spend on eating out, but the downtown Boise "beer and a burger" type places I like to frequent either have ridiculous rules in place, or are not open for lunch (either temporarily or permanently - I don't know), which is when I would frequent them. It HAS caused me to spend more time at my little local places as a replacement, though none of them sell beer. The food costs half as much as at a brew pub, so while my visitation is the same, the money I put into the economy from eating out is much less.

About the only place I've been throwing dough into the economy is in guns, but part of that is still the newness of firearm availability here in America, and at some point I'll slow down there again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
There are those who could miss a football field even if they were standing in the middle of it.

One of my pet peeves of life is having to stand in a piss puddle while I take a leak. JHC! How hard is it?

^^^ This. 'Tis one of life's great mysteries, how so many men can miss such a large target.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 17, 2020, 10:31:34 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:54:03 AM
Just need bigger urinals.   =D

One of my business ventures involved a 100 x 100 building. A customer came in, smoking a cigarette. After about a minute he asked, "Where is the ashtray?" I told him, "You're standing in it."

The only urinal that is unmissable is one you can stand in. You'd still have to aim to miss your shoes, which brings up the question: How much Covid and other diseases are spread by stepping up to a urinal, standing in everyone's drippings who were there before you, then tracking all that gungus all over the place? No one says to wash your shoes off before you leave the restroom!

Maybe we need a little tray filled with disinfectant to step in as you leave the restroom like they used to have as you stepped out of the shower at the high school gym ...  

This whole Covid thing is just one big debacle wrapped in a fubar, tainted with mendacity, promoted in absurdity, and just plain laughable.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 17, 2020, 10:12:33 AM

I would go out and spend on eating out, but the downtown Boise "beer and a burger" type places I like to frequent either have ridiculous rules in place, or are not open for lunch (either temporarily or permanently - I don't know), which is when I would frequent them. It HAS caused me to spend more time at my little local places as a replacement, though none of them sell beer. The food costs half as much as at a brew pub, so while my visitation is the same, the money I put into the economy from eating out is much less.


On the upside, your money is probably going to people who need it more and who appreciate your business more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 17, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
On the upside, your money is probably going to people who need it more and who appreciate your business more.

That's how I'm looking at it, and while not fancy, they make some good food, and I've been trying to be better about supporting local business. If I really want a beer, I can do local take out and grab a beer from the fridge. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 17, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
My wife and I probably eat out once a week, and we have not been able to do that for almost three months, until last week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
^^^ This. 'Tis one of life's great mysteries, how so many men can miss such a large target.

And it's not just urinals. Don't know how many I've walked into a restroom only to find the toilet, including the seat, floor, and wall covered in urine.
Not to mention the number of times everything would be cover in diarrhea splatters.

I hate going to public restrooms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 17, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
One thing I've noticed about the urinal at work.

It's a shitty design.

No matter where you aim there is splash back that escapes and ends up on the floor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Ron on June 17, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
One thing I've noticed about the urinal at work.

It's a shitty design.

No matter where you aim there is splash back that escapes and ends up on the floor.

That's better than it ending up on your trousers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: Ron on June 17, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
One thing I've noticed about the urinal at work.

It's a shitty design.

No matter where you aim there is splash back that escapes and ends up on the floor.
There are lots of poor designs.  The one I hate the most is essentially a toilet full of water that has no lid or seat.  Splashes badly and then the flush is so violent is splashes more.  It bothered me in college that the design was in an engineering building. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 18, 2020, 07:37:42 AM
Sorry, but bad urinal design does NOT explain most of the piss that ends up on the floor in the men's room.

I worked on my group president's staff for some time back in the 2000s when I was with SAIC. Most of my coworkers in that office were former high-ranking military and civilian government people -- at least 2 admirals, several generals, a bunch of colonels, Navy captains, a former deputy director of the CIA, a former head of Bell Labs theoretical projects division...

After lunch I wouldn't go anywhere near the men's room on our floor. It was repulsive -- the floors around the urinals were literally awash in piss.

My theory is that most of these clowns had spent far too much time in their high military positions and got used to some 18 year old newly enlisted kid running in with a bucket and mop.

Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."

They didn't last long, but they did get a chuckle. I never fessed up to putting them there, and the situation in the men's room did NOT improve.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 18, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 18, 2020, 07:37:42 AM
Sorry, but bad urinal design does NOT explain most of the piss that ends up on the floor in the men's room.

I worked on my group president's staff for some time back in the 2000s when I was with SAIC. Most of my coworkers in that office were former high-ranking military and civilian government people -- at least 2 admirals, several generals, a bunch of colonels, Navy captains, a former deputy director of the CIA, a former head of Bell Labs theoretical projects division...

After lunch I wouldn't go anywhere near the men's room on our floor. It was repulsive -- the floors around the urinals were literally awash in piss.

My theory is that most of these clowns had spent far too much time in their high military positions and got used to some 18 year old newly enlisted kid running in with a bucket and mop.

Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."

They didn't last long, but they did get a chuckle. I never fessed up to putting them there, and the situation in the men's room did NOT improve.

If they figured out it was you who put up the signs, they'd have told you to piss off. =D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 18, 2020, 10:27:00 AM
Better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2020, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 18, 2020, 07:37:42 AM
Sorry, but bad urinal design does NOT explain most of the piss that ends up on the floor in the men's room.

I worked on my group president's staff for some time back in the 2000s when I was with SAIC. Most of my coworkers in that office were former high-ranking military and civilian government people -- at least 2 admirals, several generals, a bunch of colonels, Navy captains, a former deputy director of the CIA, a former head of Bell Labs theoretical projects division...

After lunch I wouldn't go anywhere near the men's room on our floor. It was repulsive -- the floors around the urinals were literally awash in piss.

My theory is that most of these clowns had spent far too much time in their high military positions and got used to some 18 year old newly enlisted kid running in with a bucket and mop.

Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."

They didn't last long, but they did get a chuckle. I never fessed up to putting them there, and the situation in the men's room did NOT improve.
I agree with that, but I am an engineer so design issues occur to me.  People can be pretty disgusting.  I am never sure if they are deliberately disgusting or completely oblivious to the mess they are making or the smell.  I tend to assume deliberately disgusting. 

One plant I used to work at had issues for a time of someone spreading feces around the walls of the contractor's bathroom.  I don't know what kind mind it takes to do something like that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 18, 2020, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 18, 2020, 10:48:41 AM
I agree with that, but I am an engineer so design issues occur to me.  People can be pretty disgusting.  I am never sure if they are deliberately disgusting or completely oblivious to the mess they are making or the smell.  I tend to assume deliberately disgusting. 

One plant I used to work at had issues for a time of someone spreading feces around the walls of the contractor's bathroom.  I don't know what kind mind it takes to do something like that. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 18, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 18, 2020, 07:37:42 AM

Out of sheer disgust one day I put signs on the walls above the urinals "STAND CLOSER, GUYS. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS YOU THINK."


Someone in our building, and I'm pretty sure who, apparently just guesses at direction and flow. The restroom outside his area is always a urine-covered mess, both urinal and toilet.

At the gun shop I worked for back in 2011-12 they had a sign above the toilet. It was a standard target with a decent grouping sporting the words, "If you can group under an inch at 100 yards, you can hit an 18" toilet at two feet. Accuracy counts."  It was still a mess by the end of day. Along with a steady stream of prostate-challenged old geezers and people who were just plain nasty, we apparently had some regulars with bowel issues, too. Thankfully, the restrooms had floor drains. I installed a hose bibb on the hot water line so I could shower the whole room in sanitizer and simply rinse away any remaining detritus.

The university has been on a water conservation kick for years, beginning with restrooms (And rightfully so. Water is a precious commodity in the semi-arid plains). Unfortunately the genius in charge had the bright idea to just swap out valves on existing fixtures. A low-flow valve on a toilet designed for pre-conservation era water volumes is... bad. The result was a rash of clogged lines which necessitated tearing out walls and jackhammering up foundations to fix. The estimate was that the repairs, emergency service calls, and general increases in day-to-day upkeep totaled three or four times what simply swapping fixtures would have cost. It also resulted in about 50 percent more actual water usage than before because people were flushing four or five times to get things flowing versus a single flush before. Their response? Installing waterless urinals, but without the equipment, supplies, or custodial training necessary to keep the units properly serviced because it was "too expensive". The clogs were no longer a problem but the smell was horrific. Round three was pint-per-flush urinals. Now we finally have functional urinals that can be cleaned and serviced in a traditional manner. All it took was eight years and about six times the money that swapping to low-volume units would have cost in the first place. The low-flow valves on old toilets was never resolved and is an ongoing, and still very expensive, issue.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 18, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
^^^This is my interesting plumbing knowledge for the day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on June 18, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
I can see that none of you complaining about urinals has ever been in a high use communal women’s bathroom. Joys of the military cleaning up after someone else and/or picking up thousands of cigarette butts while not being a smoker. During firefighting training on ship it might have cost the navy money but I was for sure breathing clean air from my breathing apparatus, simulation be damned whilst in a 150 female living space. Eewwwww
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 18, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: French G. on June 18, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
I can see that none of you complaining about urinals has ever been in a high use communal women’s bathroom. Joys of the military cleaning up after someone else and/or picking up thousands of cigarette butts while not being a smoker. During firefighting training on ship it might have cost the navy money but I was for sure breathing clean air from my breathing apparatus, simulation be damned whilst in a 150 female living space. Eewwwww

So is it the same, worse or better than the men's?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on June 18, 2020, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on June 18, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Someone in our building, and I'm pretty sure who, apparently just guesses at direction and flow. The restroom outside his area is always a urine-covered mess, both urinal and toilet.

At the gun shop I worked for back in 2011-12 they had a sign above the toilet. It was a standard target with a decent grouping sporting the words, "If you can group under an inch at 100 yards, you can hit an 18" toilet at two feet. Accuracy counts."  It was still a mess by the end of day.

"Aim small, miss small" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8FTbA38yuc)


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 18, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
"Shoot straight, you bastards! Don't make a mess of it!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 18, 2020, 07:43:13 PM
Going back to discussions many pages ago, it appears that PPE is becoming available again at normal prices. I simultaneously today got an ad from Harbor Freight advertising nitrile gloves (which I'm low on) and also found the N95 prefilters for the 3M half mask I wear for spraying on Amazon for a pretty normal price.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 18, 2020, 10:26:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUv99uO9DA

Yeah, that's not gonna go over well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 18, 2020, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on June 18, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
The university has been on a water conservation kick for years, beginning with restrooms (And rightfully so. Water is a precious commodity in the semi-arid plains). Unfortunately the genius in charge had the bright idea to just swap out valves on existing fixtures. A low-flow valve on a toilet designed for pre-conservation era water volumes is... bad. The result was a rash of clogged lines which necessitated tearing out walls and jackhammering up foundations to fix. The estimate was that the repairs, emergency service calls, and general increases in day-to-day upkeep totaled three or four times what simply swapping fixtures would have cost. It also resulted in about 50 percent more actual water usage than before because people were flushing four or five times to get things flowing versus a single flush before. Their response? Installing waterless urinals, but without the equipment, supplies, or custodial training necessary to keep the units properly serviced because it was "too expensive". The clogs were no longer a problem but the smell was horrific. Round three was pint-per-flush urinals. Now we finally have functional urinals that can be cleaned and serviced in a traditional manner. All it took was eight years and about six times the money that swapping to low-volume units would have cost in the first place. The low-flow valves on old toilets was never resolved and is an ongoing, and still very expensive, issue.


We had a similar issue at an office building where I worked. They had us change all the aerators in the bathroom sinks to get the building LEED Green-certified (or Lee Greenwood certified, or whatever it's called). Plumbing clogs went way up, and we had to go and change them all back.

Still got to have the snazzy sticker on the front of the building though. Yay us!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on June 18, 2020, 11:10:38 PM
As far as the prepping part goes I'm anticipating a resurgence this Fall/Winter; I've started re-stocking on TP (haven't had to buy any since this whole thing started), paper towels are on the list (as soon as they start stocking Viva again), both freezers are full and the pantry is over-flowing into the kitchen.  We could open our own OTC pharmacy with the med's already stocked.

ETA:  We're still well stocked on masks and gloves.  Will be picking up some as they're available.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 18, 2020, 11:23:47 PM
I'm off on short term disability till mid September.  I wonder if we have a fall resurgence of the virus if my company will again offer 4 weeks paid time off for those of us at "high risk" (diabetes for me)? Out of some misplaced sense of corporate loyalty I just kept working. I don't have that issue any longer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 21, 2020, 03:07:22 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/21/880832213/yes-wearing-masks-helps-heres-why?utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3FWsUnx5_Vj5gEkCNx-Tthkhd5VXlgPrdytuI_ywRoye33gJDE7it8Kqo&fbclid=IwAR36B2mcE-R_e_32zSxj916w6yDHU69rmiuzixKxYmCdeeSmZRgHCLvgZe8

More information on masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 21, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
And an opposing view based on the same science.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 21, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
^^^And I see the author of that blog believes that vaccines are both unnecessary and cause autism.  That certainly allows me to give appropriate weight to the medical opinions of a self-described 'private equity entrepreneur'.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 21, 2020, 05:48:54 PM
Cliffh remarked:

"ETA:  We're still well stocked on masks and gloves.  Will be picking up some as they're available."

For years I've been using those thin fold-top sandwich bags as disposable gloves... usually just for opening the dumpster lids (ick) when dumping trash.

With C-19 I've been keeping a box in the car for casual one-time protection when out and about. (Yes, I still use five-fingered rubber gloves where needed.)

Fold-tops, mind you, not the ziplocks or other fancifications:

    (https://content.oppictures.com/Master_Images/Master_Variants/Variant_1500/308405.jpg)

Store brands are even cheaper.

They ain't no good for brain surgery, but for casual use where five fingers aren't needed much (just thumb and all the other fingers  together for grasping, like in opening doors or lifting icky dumpster lids) they conserve the box of vinyl gloves I got last  year for general purposes.

Disposing of them in one-time use doesn't bother my wallet, either.

Just a thought.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on June 21, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Those sandwich bags are a great idea!  I'll toss a box in the car & truck.  They'll come in handy for the dogs too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 22, 2020, 08:09:35 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 21, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
^^^And I see the author of that blog believes that vaccines are both unnecessary and cause autism.  That certainly allows me to give appropriate weight to the medical opinions of a self-described 'private equity entrepreneur'.

The article does not say vaccines are unnecessary, but that vaccines were not and are not the cure-all to disease.  Even the CDC agreed with that.

I didn't read about the autism link, so I won't comment on that.

As for his job, as long as his sources are accurate, reliable, and reviewed, his day job is irrelevant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on June 22, 2020, 09:53:00 AM
I'm going o  a business trip in 1 week. Has anyone flown anywhere recently? How is the experience? The airline already notified that there won't be any snack service but they will give you your snack at the beginning. Also you have to wear a mask at all times unless eating or drinking. I'm more concerned that all the restaurants in the terminal will be closed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 22, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
I just checked the current numbers for Virginia.

We had 5 new cases in our city over the past week. FIVE. In a city of 100K. Not deaths, 5 positive test results. Zero new hospitalizations.

But we're still locked down, like all the rest of Virginia. Because we have idiots for leaders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 22, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
I heard from a friend in Montana (of all places) that new cases are again increasing there now that the state is re-opening. I've been following my state's statistics daily and tracking then on a spreadsheet. The number of new cases seems to be bouncing around a bit. I can't say for certain that it's on the rise again, overall, but it doesn't appear that it's clearly falling, either.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 22, 2020, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 22, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
I heard from a friend in Montana (of all places) that new cases are again increasing there now that the state is re-opening. I've been following my state's statistics daily and tracking then on a spreadsheet. The number of new cases seems to be bouncing around a bit. I can't say for certain that it's on the rise again, overall, but it doesn't appear that it's clearly falling, either.

We are doing more testing. The result is more confirmed positives.

Watch the deaths. That's a MUCH better measure of whether the coronavirus is worsening or improving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 22, 2020, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: zahc on June 22, 2020, 09:53:00 AM
I'm going o  a business trip in 1 week. Has anyone flown anywhere recently? How is the experience? The airline already notified that there won't be any snack service but they will give you your snack at the beginning. Also you have to wear a mask at all times unless eating or drinking. I'm more concerned that all the restaurants in the terminal will be closed.

I'm still working.  Flights are half-full and many of the seats are blocked off.  We block all of the middle seats and some others, unless there is a group traveling together and they want to sit together.  Everyone has to wear masks at BOS airport and my company requires all crew and passengers to wear masks.  

The planes get disinfected daily and wiped down between flights.

TSA lines are essentially nonexistant.  You'll be through there quickly.

Check your aiport's website to see what is open and closed.  In BOS, nearly everything is closed.

If you are used to seeing busy airports and long TSA lines, you'll be a bit shocked when you go to the airport.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 22, 2020, 01:53:50 PM
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=238783

It is a bummer that the research on hydroxychlorquine did not pan out on COVID, but I guess we will be in a good position if malaria strikes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 22, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: makattak on June 22, 2020, 12:30:31 PM

Watch the deaths. That's a MUCH better measure of whether the coronavirus is worsening or improving.

I disagree, but it may depend on locality. Around here, many of the deaths, especially early on, were elderly, nursing home residents. Not intended to be facetious, but the "low hanging fruit" as it were. I'm more concerned with knowing how many active cases there are, because that could give me a better perspective on when it's getting safe for me to venture forth. Unfortunately, the state government doesn't share statistics on active cases. I'm getting numbers from the Johns Hopkins web site, but the number of recoveries doesn't change daily, it only changes once a week (or so). And I don't think it's a real number. The number of new cases has been trending (irregularly) down, the number of deaths has been trending (irregularly) down, but the number of active cases is still trending up.

The numbers don't make sense.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 22, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 22, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
I disagree, but it may depend on locality. Around here, many of the deaths, especially early on, were elderly, nursing home residents. Not intended to be facetious, but the "low hanging fruit" as it were. I'm more concerned with knowing how many active cases there are, because that could give me a better perspective on when it's getting safe for me to venture forth. Unfortunately, the state government doesn't share statistics on active cases. I'm getting numbers from the Johns Hopkins web site, but the number of recoveries doesn't change daily, it only changes once a week (or so). And I don't think it's a real number. The number of new cases has been trending (irregularly) down, the number of deaths has been trending (irregularly) down, but the number of active cases is still trending up.

The numbers don't make sense.

Well, according to the Virginia Department of Health, we've had 58K+ cases... and 0 recoveries.

Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 22, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
Ada, the county that Boise is in, just reverted from stage 4 to stage 3 because of a big spike in cases over the last few days. Coincidentally, "thousands" protested at the capitol right after Floyd's death. Also the majority of people in Boise seem to be wearing masks.

In my neck of the woods, I haven't seen a single mask in the last couple of weeks and nobody here is reported sick. I've had contractors (all local) out over the last week, and everyone seems to be back to shaking hands as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 22, 2020, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 22, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
Ada, the county that Boise is in, just reverted from stage 4 to stage 3 because of a big spike in cases over the last few days. Coincidentally, "thousands" protested at the capitol right after Floyd's death. Also the majority of people in Boise seem to be wearing masks.


But the AP headlines say Trump's rallies are causing the spike. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 04:52:03 PM
makattak reported,

Quote
Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we [had] a decrease in the number of deaths.

Is this sarcasm about how they should be reporting rates instead of raw numbers? I gotta be careful about what's sarcasm and what ain't nowadays.

Of course the number of deaths will not decrease unless some come back to life.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 22, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/in-yakima-county-as-cases-soar-community-spread-increasingly-drives-the-pandemic/

Here in Washington, we are seeing quite the spike in our eastern agricultural counties.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 22, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: makattak on June 22, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
Well, according to the Virginia Department of Health, we've had 58K+ cases... and 0 recoveries.

Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths.

You will not see #  of dead go down unless the dead comeback to life.  Dead is usually a permanent condition.

EDIT:  Oooops   230RN  beat me to it ..     :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 22, 2020, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 22, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
 Dead is usually a permanent condition.
:

Election day says otherwise
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 22, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 04:52:03 PM
makattak reported,

Is this sarcasm about how they should be reporting rates instead of raw numbers? I gotta be careful about what's sarcasm and what ain't nowadays.

Of course the number of deaths will not decrease unless some come back to life.

Yes, that was sarcasm, EXCEPT that I've heard media report that it's concerning because deaths continue to rise.

As you all noted, that's the only direction they can go.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 22, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
Report the total deaths since this mess started, and it'll always go up. Look at the weekly totals, and you realize the peak was two months ago:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The last couple weeks aren't accurate, they haven't all been reported yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 23, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 22, 2020, 01:53:50 PM
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=238783

It is a bummer that the research on hydroxychlorquine did not pan out on COVID, but I guess we will be in a good position if malaria strikes.

??? Who says they're done testing? The last I heard, the study that ruled out hydroxy-whatsit was called into question. Don't we need more information?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 23, 2020, 01:02:09 AM
"Yes, that was sarcasm, EXCEPT that I've heard media reports that it's concerning because deaths continue to rise."

^That's what I figured:  that the sarcasm revolved around the idiot media reports.  I just wanted to make sure.

I am highly concerned that deaths have continued to rise since the start of civilization.  Surely we can do something about that, no?

Latest estimate (per PRB) is that 108 billion people have died, and this staggering number is still rising.

Terry

REF:
https://www.prb.org/howmanypeoplehaveeverlivedonearth/


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 23, 2020, 07:49:45 AM
"Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths. "

I suspect what Mak was talking about is reassessment of the CAUSE of death...

As in, well, he was shot in the head 14 times, but had asymptomatic Kung Flu, so Kung Flu was the cause of death.

There were a bunch of reports back in April or so about every death, no matter what the cause, being attributed to Kung Flu if the person tested positive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 23, 2020, 07:53:24 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 23, 2020, 07:49:45 AM
"Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths. "

So they're looking for the undead?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 23, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 23, 2020, 07:49:45 AM
"Also, it's very sad (according to the news media) but the deaths just keep climbing. At no point have we have a decrease in the number of deaths. "

I suspect what Mak was talking about is reassessment of the CAUSE of death...

As in, well, he was shot in the head 14 times, but had asymptomatic Kung Flu, so Kung Flu was the cause of death.

There were a bunch of reports back in April or so about every death, no matter what the cause, being attributed to Kung Flu if the person tested positive.

No, I was talking about idiot reporters reporting, breathlessly, that the number of deaths keep rising. The TOTAL number of deaths.

Not deaths per day, not deaths per week, but TOTAL deaths keep rising. It's scary! People keep dying and no one recovers from it!

(And apparently, it was a bad joke because if you have to explain it, you failed.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 23, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: 230RN on June 23, 2020, 01:02:09 AM
"Yes, that was sarcasm, EXCEPT that I've heard media reports that it's concerning because deaths continue to rise."

^That's what I figured:  that the sarcasm revolved around the idiot media reports.  I just wanted to make sure.

I am highly concerned that deaths have continued to rise since the start of civilization.  Surely we can do something about that, no?

Latest estimate (per PRB) is that 108 billion people have died, and this staggering number is still rising.

Terry

REF:
https://www.prb.org/howmanypeoplehaveeverlivedonearth/

I think the biggest problem is those who succumb. Used to be all you heard about people who died is because they succumbed to something or other. I think the stats on succumb have been deliberately suppressed in order to keep the Covid stats appearing high. This farcical fictitious fantasized forbearance is brought to you by, Skudzo, the mouthwash that really scrolls your nerd! (Yes, I stole that last line from the old BC comic strip!)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on June 23, 2020, 11:18:59 AM
mak,

Could you draw me a Venn diagram and some charts to explain it a little more?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 23, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
If COVID death persists for more than four hours, see a doctor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 23, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
That's why they call it the Coroner virus..

Oh, wait.  Never mind.

Me go now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 23, 2020, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: fistful on June 23, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
??? Who says they're done testing? The last I heard, the study that ruled out hydroxy-whatsit was called into question. Don't we need more information?


We don't need no steenkin' studies. Trump likes it ... it must be bad.

The science is settled.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 23, 2020, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: makattak on June 23, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
No, I was talking about idiot reporters reporting, breathlessly, that the number of deaths keep rising. The TOTAL number of deaths.

Not deaths per day, not deaths per week, but TOTAL deaths keep rising. It's scary! People keep dying and no one recovers from it!

(And apparently, it was a bad joke because if you have to explain it, you failed.)

That's related to my complaint about my state's statistics. The state gooberment dutifully puts out an information sheet every day, reporting numbers of new cases, number of new deaths, number currently hospitalized, and total number of cases to date.

What's missing are numbers for recoveries, and number of currently active cases. So the total number of cases continues to rise.  Active cases would be total cases less deaths and less recoveries but, with no data on recoveries, the number of active cases just continues to rise, just following a slightly lower trajectory than the raw total number of cases.

Useless numbers. I still haven't figured out what the governor's end game is for providing incomplete data.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 23, 2020, 08:21:59 PM
So a patient gave me this today.  You can find it at ftbagency.com.

https://www.insider.com/anti-mask-protesters-cite-ada-disability-law-dodge-mask-requirement-2020-5

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/no-mask-no-service-ada-considerations-business-owners-requiring-face-masks-retail

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ada-implications-i-don-t-want-to-wear-a-91357/

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/21a692_8f4dc8fc86db41339a7a72dff254dc01~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_954,h_681,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/I%20am%20exempt%20from%20any%20ordinance%20requiring.webp)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 23, 2020, 09:00:43 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-orders-face-coverings-to-be-worn-in-public-to-help-stem-spread-of-coronavirus/


Due to an uptick in the number of cases, starting Friday, a cloth face mask must be worn in Washington state in any indoor or outdoor space, with some exceptions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on June 23, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 23, 2020, 09:00:43 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-orders-face-coverings-to-be-worn-in-public-to-help-stem-spread-of-coronavirus/


Due to an uptick in the number of cases, starting Friday, a cloth face mask must be worn in Washington state in any indoor or outdoor space, with some exceptions.

Who gets to tell the protestors?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 24, 2020, 07:44:38 AM
I did not see anything in the cited article about cloth face coverings.  Did I miss it on first reading?  No matches found for "cloth" in a page search.

But, anyhow:

Seems to me cloth masks wouldn't be as effective in "sealing" around the nose.  The "seal" on my paper ones have a wire embedded in them to positively contour the mask around that nose gap.

Deleted paragraph re-inserted after RoadKingLarry quoted it below:

"Or is the demand for "cloth" masks in response to an uptick in cases (if real) simply more "do something, anything" hand-fluttering Covid-19 theatre?
??? "

I deleted it because I realized that the cited article did not appear to refer to cloth masks at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 24, 2020, 07:50:05 AM
Quote
Or is the demand for "cloth" masks in response to an uptick in cases (if real) simply more "do something, anything" hand-fluttering Covid-19 theatre?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do you really have to ask?
Locally we are getting bombarded with news that "new cases are spiking after the big Trump rally in Tulsa". No mention at all that there were massive Juneteenth events as well as BLM marches and anti-Trump protests held concurrently 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 24, 2020, 08:14:23 AM
I re-inserted that paragraph after I deleted it because MillCreek's cited article did not apparently refer to "cloth" anywhere.  So since RoadKingLarry quoted it, I stuck in back in.

So what gives, MillCreek?

But RoadKingLarry's comments seem to ring true:

Quote
Do you really have to ask?
Locally we are getting bombarded with news that "new cases are spiking after the big Trump rally in Tulsa". No mention at all that there were massive Juneteenth events as well as BLM marches and anti-Trump protests held concurrently.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 24, 2020, 08:40:26 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 24, 2020, 07:50:05 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Locally we are getting bombarded with news that "new cases are spiking after the big Trump rally in Tulsa".

That is some wild incubation period. It only takes 24 hours to get the beer virus if you're at a conservative gathering.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 24, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
I didn't know where else to put this, but I just heard a news story on the TV about "bad drivers" out there right now. Why? Because they forgot how to drive while sitting in their homes during the lockdown.

I guess unlike in Idiocracy, it doesn't take 500 years to devolve.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 24, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: 230RN on June 24, 2020, 08:14:23 AM
I re-inserted that paragraph after I deleted it because MillCreek's cited article did not apparently refer to "cloth" anywhere.  So since RoadKingLarry quoted it, I stuck in back in.

So what gives, MillCreek?

But RoadKingLarry's comments seem to ring true:

Terry, 230RN

I see that the article was edited by the Times to change to the broader term 'face coverings' to be consistent with the state edict: https://coronavirus.wa.gov/information-for/you-and-your-family/face-masks-or-cloth-face-covering
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 24, 2020, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 24, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
I didn't know where else to put this, but I just heard a news story on the TV about "bad drivers" out there right now. Why? Because they forgot how to drive while sitting in their homes during the lockdown.

I guess unlike in Idiocracy, it doesn't take 500 years to devolve.

I noticed that phenomenon when Oklahoma came off lockdown. I had been driving to work on nearly deserted highways and then one Monday *BAM* all the nonessential MF'rs were back on the road.

Nonessential MF'rs can't drive for *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on June 24, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
They didn't forget how to drive. The never could.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 24, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on June 24, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
They didn't forget how to drive. The never could.

Most likely. I just find it funny how many things are being connected to the beer virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 24, 2020, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 24, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
Most likely. I just find it funny how many things are being connected to the beer virus.

Depending on which article you read, car crashes are either on the decline because of fewer cars on the road, or on the rise because fewer cars means people drive faster/recklessly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on June 24, 2020, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on June 24, 2020, 11:25:06 AM
Depending on which article you read, car crashes are either on the decline because of fewer cars on the road, or on the rise because fewer cars means people drive faster/recklessly.

All I know is that when they ended the shutdown here the drivers got way worse and way slower
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 24, 2020, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on June 24, 2020, 11:58:53 AM
All I know is that when they ended the shutdown here the drivers got way worse and way slower

Yes!  Driving 20 mph in a 35 zone.   :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on June 24, 2020, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 24, 2020, 12:22:27 PM
Yes!  Driving 20 mph in a 35 zone.   :mad:

Opposite here.  80 in a 65 is normal now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 24, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Campus just issued a mandatory mask notice effective tomorrow. It's a bunch of feel-good tripe and there's no reasonable way to enforce it. It's going to be a *expletive deleted*it show anyway because three of the four main points are inherently self-contradictory.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 24, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 16, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
I've ordered some almost certainly fake KN95 respirator masks from Amazon.  It should be obvious whether they are made of some kind of filter cloth and whether they leak or not.  The places that I've found sell real CE certified KN95 and FFP2 masks only sell in very high quantities for about $4 apiece, and then sometimes only sell to existing customers.  Even counterfeit masks if they are well made will be better than a scarf or whatever nonsense.  For $16 for a box of ten I'll take a chance.

(KN95 and FFP2 are the Chinese and European equivalent specifications for USA N95 respirator masks.  There's also Japanese, Australian, Korean, etc specs with different designation, and they are all pretty much equivalent)

Perhaps I should search for P1 respirators.  Those only filter 80% instead of 95%, but that's a lot better than nothing.

The masks that I ordered still haven't gotten here.  I suspect they will never get here and I'll have to get a refund from Amazon or from my CC company.  A day or two after I placed my order, the listing disappeared from Amazon; I click on the link from my order history and get a page not found error.  (that's not a good sign.)  They claim to have shipped it the next day, but they just generated a shipping label and didn't actually send it to the post office for several days.  Annoying but not necessarily a problem.  Now the package is several days late, and the USPS tracking says it just departed from New York, headed for who knows where (it originated in California.)

Here's my guess: it's a scam, and they put the wrong zipcode on the package to delay delivery -- and that's assuming it even has the right address.  It might be an empty package that they send to someone else's address, and someday weeks from now I will get another person's empty package.  I've actually run into that before with an Amazon third party seller.  (a used book dealer my wife ordered from. who turned out to be from mainland China)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 24, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 24, 2020, 09:23:16 AM
I noticed that phenomenon when Oklahoma came off lockdown. I had been driving to work on nearly deserted highways and then one Monday *BAM* all the nonessential MF'rs were back on the road.

Nonessential MF'rs can't drive for *expletive deleted*it.

There are a lot of MF'rs who can't drive for *expletive deleted*it.  

I've been driving since 1956, but about 25 years ago I finally learned to actually drive and analyze my driving, as opposed to merely operating a car.

I can testify that I have definitely noticed a lack-of-practice effect if I haven't driven in a while.

So there.  N=1.

Take it or leave it.

Terry
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on June 24, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
I definitely noticed a lack-of-practice effect after not driving for a month. Mostly weakness related to following distance and staying in my own goddam lane.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 24, 2020, 08:43:05 PM
N=2
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 24, 2020, 08:44:30 PM
Lincoln County, OR exempts people of color from wearing masks. Only whitey is mandated to wear them. I had to look up Lincoln County. I've driven through there, and it doesn't seem very Portlandy, so weird that they would do it and not Multnomah county.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/24/report-people-of-color-exempt-from-mask-mandate-if-they-have-heightened-concerns-about-racial-profiling-while-wearing-them/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 24, 2020, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 24, 2020, 08:44:30 PM
Lincoln County, OR exempts people of color from wearing masks. Only whitey is mandated to wear them. I had to look up Lincoln County. I've driven through there, and it doesn't seem very Portlandy, so weird that they would do it and not Multnomah county.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/24/report-people-of-color-exempt-from-mask-mandate-if-they-have-heightened-concerns-about-racial-profiling-while-wearing-them/

Thank goodness I've not white but kind of an off-white. Closer to Ritz Cracker than Cracker
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 24, 2020, 10:46:42 PM
Went to Walmart today, for the first time in over three months. Masks are supposedly mandatory in this state. Walmart was limiting occupancy -- they had a gatekeeper, and there was a queue outside with Xs marked on the pavement every six feet. People in the line were generally pretty well-behaved, and the line moved quickly.

Inside, all store personnel wore masks. I would estimate that between a quarter and a third of the customers either didn't have a mask, or wore it down at their chin or around their neck/throat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on June 24, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 24, 2020, 10:46:42 PM
Went to Walmart today, for the first time in over three months. Masks are supposedly mandatory in this state.    snip   

Starting Friday they will be mandatory in Nevada too.  Sisolak's orders.  I really don't like that  R   B.

I'll be looking for a yellow "don't tread on me" mask that has gnarly fangs placed appropriately.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 25, 2020, 12:09:29 PM
Masks are supposedly mandatory in Virginia, as well, but not everyone is wearing them and there's apparently no one to enforce the mandate.

Except...

The Karen Patrol.

I wear a mask these days (it is mandatory at my office) simply because I don't want to have to punch an annoying Karen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 25, 2020, 01:37:59 PM
If I wore a yellow neck gaiter, I wonder if anyone would get the 'Watchmen' reference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on June 25, 2020, 06:07:02 PM
Masks are mandatory in North Carolina starting this Friday.  SWMBO and I have a couple on order from a friend at church.  Police will be enforcing our lefty Governor's edict.  Misdemeanor penalty if you are caught in a public place not wearing it.  
Considering that I carry almost everywhere I go, and that we are a 'shall notify' state, and I really don't want to interact with the popo while carrying, I think I will wear the mask.  It's stupid, however.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 25, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on June 25, 2020, 06:07:02 PM
Masks are mandatory in North Carolina starting this Friday.  SWMBO and I have a couple on order from a friend at church.  Police will be enforcing our lefty Governor's edict.  Misdemeanor penalty if you are caught in a public place not wearing it.  
Considering that I carry almost everywhere I go, and that we are a 'shall notify' state, and I really don't want to interact with the popo while carrying, I think I will wear the mask.  It's stupid, however.

I realize this might not be the hill to die on, especially since I dont live in NC it's easy for me to talk. but the executive does not get to make laws.  That's the legislature's job.  So it's not a misdemeanor unless they passed a law to that affect.  He enforces the laws; he cannot enforce his own edicts.  It's a separation of powers issue.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on June 25, 2020, 09:37:17 PM
Am I the only belligerent one here?  I'll happily fight Karens on principle at this point.

I'm not wearing a mask.  Full stop.  The going along to get along is just empowering this fuckery.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 25, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
Quote from: Andiron on June 25, 2020, 09:37:17 PM
The going along to get along is just empowering this [stuff].

That's what I've been thinking. Even if some conservatives are mad at us for not wearing masks, I think the more people that mask up voluntarily, the easier it is for the government to make it mandatory.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 25, 2020, 10:43:29 PM
If that's the hill you want to die on, whatever.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 25, 2020, 10:56:02 PM
Nice little drama playing in NC.  The Lt Governor says the Governor's mask order is illegal.  https://www.newsmax.com/politics/north-carolina-cooper-forest-orders/2020/06/25/id/974235/  (this has nothing to do with whether or not the masks are a good idea)  It would be interesting if the Attorney General would weigh in. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on June 25, 2020, 11:02:20 PM
The Governor in NC is much like Northampton in VA...very hated and put into power by the ultra liberal cities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on June 25, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
Not my hill to die on. There are better hills. I'm not dying on the hand washing hill or the don't-sneeze-on-people hill either. Wearing masks is a good idea. There are many hills which are better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on June 25, 2020, 11:49:42 PM
My county has had two cases. We just don't wear the things. Out in the world I mostly do, or have it available. I'm pretty happy with it, if we can keep this panic up a few years facial recognition tech will be frustrated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 26, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: French G. on June 25, 2020, 11:49:42 PM
My county has had two cases. We just don't wear the things. Out in the world I mostly do, or have it available. I'm pretty happy with it, if we can keep this panic up a few years facial recognition tech will be frustrated.

The deep state will simply put rfid tags  in the masks. [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 26, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 26, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
The deep state will simply put rfid tags  in the masks. [tinfoil]

Meh, cell phone tracking is what all the cool governments do. They can do that sitting at a desk in DC. Why do you think it's darn near impossible to remove the battery anymore  [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 26, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 25, 2020, 10:43:29 PM
If that's the hill you want to die on, whatever.

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To each is own, but I say if you are going to die on a hill, do it while it's still a molehill. Waiting for it to become a mountain may not be a viable choice by then.  :facepalm:

I grow tired of tripping over all them molehills out there, aren't y'all?  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 26, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on June 26, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 25, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
I realize this might not be the hill to die on, especially since I dont live in NC it's easy for me to talk. but the executive does not get to make laws.  That's the legislature's job.  So it's not a misdemeanor unless they passed a law to that affect.  He enforces the laws; he cannot enforce his own edicts.  It's a separation of powers issue.

Well, he's a leftist dictator, so...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 26, 2020, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on June 26, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
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Gladys Kravitz! :D (and I remembered the name, just had trouble spelling it)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 26, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
So we are now being asked to write medical exemption letters for mask-wearing.  The problem is there is no widely-accepted list of medical or other conditions that are considered as a disability or contra-indication to wearing a mask, so we are having to wing it.  The majority of the people asking have no medical/psychiatric conditions whatsoever, which is interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 26, 2020, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 26, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
So we are now being asked to write medical exemption letters for mask-wearing.  The problem is there is no widely-accepted list of medical or other conditions that are considered as a disability or contra-indication to wearing a mask, so we are having to wing it.  The majority of the people asking have no medical/psychiatric conditions whatsoever, which is interesting.

I read some state's list of exemptions, and one of them was Deaf or hard of hearing.  What's that about?  They need to read *other* ppl's lips.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 26, 2020, 05:33:04 PM
In addition to young age and cognitive disabilities, here is a list of issues that may contraindicate wearing a face mask:

Is there a reason a person might not be able to wear a face mask?
The CDC states that a person who has trouble breathing, is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the face mask without assistance should not wear a face mask or cloth face covering.[6]
Examples of a person with a disability who might not be able to wear a face mask
•   Individuals with respiratory disabilities such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), or cystic fibrosis may not be able to wear a face mask because of difficulty in or impaired breathing. People with respiratory disabilities should consult their own medical professional for advice about using face masks. The CDC also states that anyone who has trouble breathing should not wear a face mask.[7]
•   People with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), severe anxiety, or claustrophobia (an abnormal fear of being in enclosed or narrow places).[8] may feel afraid or terrified when wearing a face mask. These individuals may not be able to stay calm or function when wearing a face mask.
•   Some people with autism are sensitive to touch and texture. [9] Covering the nose and mouth with fabric can cause sensory overload, feelings of panic, and extreme anxiety.
•   A person who has cerebral palsy may have difficulty moving the small muscles in the hands, wrists, or fingers. Due to her limited mobility,  she may not be able to tie the strings or put the elastic loops of a face mask over the ears. This means that the individual may not be able to put on or remove a face mask without assistance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 26, 2020, 06:04:45 PM
I know some people that should be exempted from wearing required to wear a mask...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on June 26, 2020, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 25, 2020, 10:43:29 PM
If that's the hill you want to die on, whatever.

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The "fight the Karens" part wasn't a shot a you,  just  an accurate description of the petty aholes that will jump you at the grocery store for not wearing a mask or walking the "wrong direction" down an aisle.

I'm intrigued that this group ( harder core 2A types)  would just roll over for an unlawful, BS order from their governor.  If your governor wants to mandate masks,  he can go ask the Legislature to make it happen.  Past that, get bent.

For me,  I'll keep going as I have,  and if the county health dept wants to fine me,  go for it.  I'll fight that later,  but I'm still not wearing these stupid cloth virtue signals or compelling my employees to.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 26, 2020, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on June 26, 2020, 06:04:45 PM
I know some people that should be exempted from wearing required to wear a mask...

If nothing else to found out for themselves just how bad their breath is
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 26, 2020, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 24, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
The masks that I ordered still haven't gotten here.  I suspect they will never get here and I'll have to get a refund from Amazon or from my CC company.  A day or two after I placed my order, the listing disappeared from Amazon; I click on the link from my order history and get a page not found error.  (that's not a good sign.)  They claim to have shipped it the next day, but they just generated a shipping label and didn't actually send it to the post office for several days.  Annoying but not necessarily a problem.  Now the package is several days late, and the USPS tracking says it just departed from New York, headed for who knows where (it originated in California.)

Here's my guess: it's a scam, and they put the wrong zipcode on the package to delay delivery -- and that's assuming it even has the right address.  It might be an empty package that they send to someone else's address, and someday weeks from now I will get another person's empty package.  I've actually run into that before with an Amazon third party seller.  (a used book dealer my wife ordered from. who turned out to be from mainland China)

After badmouthing the seller (even tho' I didn't give their name) I thought I should give an update.

The masks got here today.  They were addressed just fine; I don't know why USPS routed them from California through New York City to get to Minnesota. ??? That's why they were 4 days late instead of just barely on time.  I'm not happy that the seller said they shipped on Monday (week and a half ago) but weren't actually given to the post office until several days later, but I'm not all that upset about that either.  Initially USPS tracking said they would get here Monday the 22nd, which was the last day of the delivery window that was promised.  I think the seller sat on the order a few days so I would pay the extra $5 for expedited shipping next time.

The masks are individually packaged in packs kinda like a sterile gauze pad or bandage, and they are marked KN-95 but don't have a CE symbol.  They fold flat.  I opened one up a few minutes ago and was pleased with the quality.  You have to form the metal nose bridge with your thumb because it's creased in the middle, but it doesn't break of fall off when you do.  The elastic didn't break or come loose when I put it on, and the mask makes a good face seal so it's a proper respirator mask, even if the 95% filter rating is optimistic.  I assume they are counterfeits but don't know for sure; they are good counterfeits.  I would buy them again, except the listing has been removed.  But 10 will last me a long time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 27, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
I was just reading local news on the increased virus cases here (number is the total since COVID started, however our total state cases have nearly doubled in the last couple of weeks):

Quote
The largest number of cases are among people ages 18-29 at 1,660 cases.

Huh. I wonder what that a large number of that demographic have been doing the last few weeks? It's amazing the twists and turns the media and some politicians are doing to ignore the increased infection rates in certain areas of the country since the protests and continue to blame things on people getting haircuts or going on hikes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 27, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
"...going on hikes..." ???

I'm not clear on why that should be a danger factor.  One would think "out in the open in clean fresh air" would be a neutral factor.

Help me understand that.

Terry, 230RN

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 27, 2020, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 27, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
"...going on hikes..." ???

I'm not clear on why that should be a danger factor.  One would think "out in the open in clean fresh air" would be a neutral factor.

Help me understand that.

Terry, 230RN



There is no understanding, but you might ask the cops who arrested the paddleboarder who was like 1/4 mile from anyone but was breaking the virus rules.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 27, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 27, 2020, 04:36:41 PM
There is no understanding, but you might ask the cops who arrested the paddleboarder who was like 1/4 mile from anyone but was breaking the virus rules.

Power, power. It's all about power.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 27, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 27, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
"...going on hikes..." ???

I'm not clear on why that should be a danger factor.  One would think "out in the open in clean fresh air" would be a neutral factor.

Help me understand that.

Terry, 230RN

If you're out on a hike, you're probably miles from the nearest Karen, and you're certainly not watching CNN tell you how bad the COVID is, or how the President is "the real thug" for dissing the rioters. Heck, you might even be so far out that Twitter can't give you the latest news story about the terrible spike in red state COVID cases.

Very, very dangerous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on June 27, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 26, 2020, 11:29:24 PM
  I'm not happy that the seller said they shipped on Monday (week and a half ago) but weren't actually given to the post office until several days later, but I'm not all that upset about that either. 

Common practice, I think.  I don't believe package tracking until I start to see "in transit" information.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 27, 2020, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: fistful on June 27, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
If you're out on a hike, you're probably miles from the nearest Karen, and you're certainly not watching CNN tell you how bad the COVID is, or how the President is "the real thug" for dissing the rioters. Heck, you might even be so far out that Twitter can't give you the latest news story about the terrible spike in red state COVID cases.

Very, very dangerous.

Ohhhh, now I get it.  You're outside of libtard reception range, so they've got to go out and make contact.  Of course.  I should have known.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 27, 2020, 10:29:25 PM
Yesterday, all the toilet paper was sold out at the grocery store.  Is that widespread?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on June 27, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
I hope not because paper towels are next and I need some.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 28, 2020, 06:05:29 AM
I also hope not.  I'm getting low too.  I don't shop that often, so I really don't keep that close of a track of stuff.  Alcohol's the thing for me.  King Soopers had some a couple of weeks ago and I picked up a one per customer bottle.  Haven't seen any since.  I keep a spray bottle in almost every room for disinfectant and spritzing insects.  I've been husbanding my small supply pretty carefully.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on June 28, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 27, 2020, 10:29:25 PM
Yesterday, all the toilet paper was sold out at the grocery store.  Is that widespread?

Toilet paper stock levels have never really recovered here in SC. Usually you can find one variety with a couple cases left on the shelf at least.

Paper towels, after the first few weeks became a little more available. Again, not a ton of choice in brands but better than it was during the initial panic period.

General grocery items are a lot better stock wise than the first month. Inflation and Kung Flu supply and demand fuckery still felt very much in food prices. Our grocery bill has gone up a decent chunk.


The good news for us at least is our pay is being restored to the normal level and they are cutting a check for the amount that was taken during the pay reduction. Still withholding 401k matching, no surprise. They say dealers in neighboring states have had to have massive layoffs and some in the heavy oil and gas regions have had to close whole branches.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 28, 2020, 11:59:19 AM
I'm finally seeing good amounts of toilet paper and paper towels at my primary grocery store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on June 28, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
It's not a problem in Venezuela.  No, they don't have toilet paper, but they don't have food either, so if you don't eat, you don't need toilet paper.   >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on June 28, 2020, 09:25:13 PM
Menards had pallets of TP and paper towels last week. I probably need to pick up a couple mega-packs this week.

Iowa is still running at 2.5% death rate of the known infected, even with our numbers of positive cases increasing, due to more testing and easing of social restrictions. Seems to be really running through the young and healthy currently, not sure how many of those are dying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 28, 2020, 10:16:58 PM
Haven't seen shortages here in some weeks. I still have plenty, but am down from my pre-pandemic stash, so will probably get a Costco pack or two over the next couple of weeks to top off my supplies.

I still haven't seen small freezers back in stock at any of the big box places here. As soon as they are (at reasonable prices) I still plan on getting one to fill up with meat and stuff. Come Winter, I have a suspicion that either in reality or via MSM panic, the virus will make a big comeback, as will panic buying and hoarding.

My modas operandi is going to be to keep all my normal supplies at or near fully stocked levels versus letting them drop down and replenishing when they're near empty. These days, you never know when panic buying is going to start.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 29, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 28, 2020, 10:16:58 PM
Haven't seen shortages here in some weeks. I still have plenty, but am down from my pre-pandemic stash, so will probably get a Costco pack or two over the next couple of weeks to top off my supplies.

I still haven't seen small freezers back in stock at any of the big box places here. As soon as they are (at reasonable prices) I still plan on getting one to fill up with meat and stuff. Come Winter, I have a suspicion that either in reality or via MSM panic, the virus will make a big comeback, as will panic buying and hoarding.

My modas operandi is going to be to keep all my normal supplies at or near fully stocked levels versus letting them drop down and replenishing when they're near empty. These days, you never know when panic buying is going to start.

Pretty much the same here. We don't allow our regular supplies to drop below half. "Reserves" is another matter. Nothing gets taken out until new stuff arrives. It's called "rotation".

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 29, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
29% of the inmates at San Quentin have tested positive for COVID-19:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-San-Quentin-California-prison-outbreak-15373710.php

The article does not mention how many of the corrections officers and other staff have it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 01:38:12 PM
Jeepers. I spoke too soon about everything being fully stocked. I just got back from Costco, and almost all the water and like 70% of the TP was gone. This is new within the last like 10 days.

I grabbed a case of TP to, as mentioned above, top off my normal stores. Otherwise the only things I added that I might otherwise not have were a couple of four packs of these jarred peach slices I like, and then some powdered potatoes.

One interesting side note was mask wearing. Costco of course requires it, but this is the first time I saw Costco employees shirking on it. Lots of bandanas instead of masks, and many employee masks were below the nose or otherwise just "hanging there" versus in place. In the meantime, the grumpy cashier lectured me because I forgot and put my Costco card on the little conveyor divider thing, which you usually do at Costco, but they won't let their gloved hands touch the cards anymore to scan them, so she made me remove it and told me not to do it anymore.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 29, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Costco cashiers have never been particularly friendly, but the last time I was at Costco (a few weeks ago) the cashier was horrendous. Nasty, snappish, and largely non-responsive.

Yeah, I get that you're a cashier in a Costco, and that it's during the great plague. Your life choices, not mine. If I'm not yelling at you, I'd appreciate you not acting if I were.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 03:14:42 PM
Well, I got to King Soopers (Kroger, City Market, 38th and Sheridan) at 5:15 this AM, Monday.  Since someone mentioned a potential shortage of paper towels, that's the first thing I went for since I'm a profligate user thereof.

I was stunned to find the shelves chock-full of PT, TP, and Tissues, to the point where some was sticking out a little in the aisle, and I knocked some stuff down with my cane sticking out of the electric cart basket. (One of these days I'm going to suggest they provide cane scabbards on the carts, but not yet.  I'm also thinking of just putting a hook on my cane so I can suspend it vertically from the basket.)

Basically, without doing my own inventory of the store, I found everything I wanted except for alcohol --I'm running low on that.  So I picked up a couple of small bottles of hand sanitizer so I could keep one in the car and one in the house.

So I guess King Soopers (Kroger, City Market) has some clout or magic in re paper products.

I will say the people at this store are very helpful and courteous.

I wonder if that's because either I'm a Cute Old Coot (COC), or maybe since I'm courteous to them in the first place, or perhaps that's the way they're trained.

There's a Safeway on the way of my regular erranding route, but I haven't checked that out.

Hope springs eternal.  Or at least until 5:15 this Monday morning at the King Soopers at 38th and Sheridan, Wheat Ridge COmmierado.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 03:24:34 PM
I forgot about alcohol.  I need to get some.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 29, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Costco cashiers have never been particularly friendly, but the last time I was at Costco (a few weeks ago) the cashier was horrendous. Nasty, snappish, and largely non-responsive.

Yeah, I get that you're a cashier in a Costco, and that it's during the great plague. Your life choices, not mine. If I'm not yelling at you, I'd appreciate you not acting if I were.

I usually find the cashiers at the Costcos I have visited to be super friendly. I always joke around with them and they look like they mostly enjoy their jobs. I've only ever had a few grumps and the lady today was one of them. The lines were exceptionally long, so it might have been a "bad day" thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 03:24:34 PM
I forgot about alcohol.  I need to get some.

Let me know where and when.  I used to use a lot of it for cleaning glass and chrome, squirting bugs, as well as a disinfectant.  I don't understand why it's still in short supply --a spike in use by the medicos, with C-19?

Terry "I may go to Everclear," 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 29, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 03:50:00 PM
Let me know where and when.  I used to use a lot of it for cleaning glass and chrome, squirting bugs, as well as a disinfectant.  I don't understand why it's still in short supply --a spike in use by the medicos, with C-19?

Terry "I may go to Everclear," 230RN

People are using high-proof ethanol topically in place of hand sanitizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on June 29, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
And some of us use it internally too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on June 29, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
And some of us use it internally too.

Back when I was drinking, I kept a small bottle of it in my shop for a solvent.  Started nipping at it.  Then Nipping at it.  Then Tippling at it.  And so on.  Gave me the worst hangover I ever had, and I was well-experienced in type and quality of hangovers.

Terry
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Interesting suggestion that a "spike gene" mutated, thus making it easier for the virus to infect people. Might explain why younger and healthier people now seem to be the majority of newly infected. The previous mutation would have been fended off by a healthy individual. Also might explain the very large new infection rates without (at least from what I have seen) the same death rate as previously. In my state at least, cases have more than doubled, but I haven't yet seen any reports of new deaths.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/scientists-analyzing-coronavirus-mutation-might-spread-virus-faster
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 30, 2020, 08:45:41 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 30, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Interesting suggestion that a "spike gene" mutated, thus making it easier for the virus to infect people. Might explain why younger and healthier people now seem to be the majority of newly infected. The previous mutation would have been fended off by a healthy individual. Also might explain the very large new infection rates without (at least from what I have seen) the same death rate as previously. In my state at least, cases have more than doubled, but I haven't yet seen any reports of new deaths.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/scientists-analyzing-coronavirus-mutation-might-spread-virus-faster

Or, this was always going to happen, in any case, and all the lockdowns did was make the economy tank without making any change in the eventual progress of the disease.

Because we are ruled by cowardly and overly risk-sensitive buffoons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on June 30, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
I went to Ollie's yesterday.  They had stacks and stacks of hand sanitizer in glass liquor bottles- made by a liquor company.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Pb on June 30, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
I went to Ollie's yesterday.  They had stacks and stacks of hand sanitizer in glass liquor bottles- made by a liquor company.

We've had several bourbon manufacturers producing hand sanitizer here
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 30, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
Back in the day when I was homebrewing, I used Everclear to sanitize various fittings and small parts in the brewing process.  I had to drive 400 miles roundtrip to get it at an Oregon liquor store, since at that time it was not sold in Washington.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on June 30, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 30, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
Back in the day when I was homebrewing, I used Everclear to sanitize various fittings and small parts in the brewing process.  I had to drive 400 miles roundtrip to get it at an Oregon liquor store, since at that time it was not sold in Washington.

I sometimes use 91% rubbing alcohol for that.  Wouldn't 151 rum work almost as well?  (I don't think Minnesota sells 190 proof Everclear either)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on June 30, 2020, 02:12:06 PM
We used to get everclear and make big batches of schnapps.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on June 30, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 03:14:42 PM
Well, I got to King Soopers (Kroger, City Market, 38th and Sheridan) at 5:15 this AM, Monday.  Since someone mentioned a potential shortage of paper towels, that's the first thing I went for since I'm a profligate user thereof.

I was stunned to find the shelves chock-full of PT, TP, and Tissues, to the point where some was sticking out a little in the aisle, and I knocked some stuff down with my cane sticking out of the electric cart basket. (One of these days I'm going to suggest they provide cane scabbards on the carts, but not yet.  I'm also thinking of just putting a hook on my cane so I can suspend it vertically from the basket.)

Basically, without doing my own inventory of the store, I found everything I wanted except for alcohol --I'm running low on that.  So I picked up a couple of small bottles of hand sanitizer so I could keep one in the car and one in the house.

So I guess King Soopers (Kroger, City Market) has some clout or magic in re paper products.

I will say the people at this store are very helpful and courteous.

I wonder if that's because either I'm a Cute Old Coot (COC), or maybe since I'm courteous to them in the first place, or perhaps that's the way they're trained.

There's a Safeway on the way of my regular erranding route, but I haven't checked that out.

Hope springs eternal.  Or at least until 5:15 this Monday morning at the King Soopers at 38th and Sheridan, Wheat Ridge COmmierado.

Terry, 230RN

If it was a P&G product, maybe.  As Kroger and P&G are both headquartered in Cincinnati.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 06:39:29 PM
https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/

Yeah, right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 06:39:29 PM
https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/

Yeah, right.

But Trump rallies spread it right?  :facepalm:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2020, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
But Trump rallies spread it right?  :facepalm:

That was the first retort that came to my mind as well. Also "white armed militias, terrorizing state capitols and spreading the virus".

This has got to be the most politicized disease in the history of the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 06:51:37 PM
So if any of the protestors come down with the virus they must of have caught it from a Trump rally
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on June 30, 2020, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 30, 2020, 06:47:50 PM
That was the first retort that came to my mind as well. Also "white armed militias, terrorizing state capitols and spreading the virus".

This has got to be the most politicized disease in the history of the world.

At least a close second to HIV.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on June 30, 2020, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: 230RN on June 29, 2020, 03:14:42 PM

Basically, without doing my own inventory of the store, I found everything I wanted except for alcohol --I'm running low on that.  So I picked up a couple of small bottles of hand sanitizer so I could keep one in the car and one in the house.

Terry, 230RN

There was a "thing" around here in Las Vegas where our fire department had warned against keeping hand sanitizer in the car because it could catch fire because of the heat.

A clarification has been released.  Worth reading the link:https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/las-vegas-fire-department-clears-up-hand-sanitizer-facts-2041482/#:~:text=THE%20RJ%20APP-,Las%20Vegas%20Fire%20Department%20clears%20up%20hand%20sanitizer%20facts,likely%20cannot%20start%20a%20fire.%E2%80%9D&text=As%20it%20turns%20out%2C%20not,completely%20true%20on%20social%20media. (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/las-vegas-fire-department-clears-up-hand-sanitizer-facts-2041482/#:~:text=THE%20RJ%20APP-,Las%20Vegas%20Fire%20Department%20clears%20up%20hand%20sanitizer%20facts,likely%20cannot%20start%20a%20fire.%E2%80%9D&text=As%20it%20turns%20out%2C%20not,completely%20true%20on%20social%20media.)

tl;dr version -  
Quote
“Bottom line, do not leave anything exposed to direct sunlight in the car (that includes cellphones left on the seat or dash, they will explode,” he added.

A suggestion from Szymanski: Keep a small amount in the car and refill the bottle frequently so it is at full strength. “Every time the hand sanitizer is heated to very hot like here in Las Vegas, it loses some of its effectiveness.”


Many years ago, when I lived in Columbus, Ohio, I had left a BIC lighter in the back window of my car.  It esploded.  No fire. When I got in the car later, there was shrapnel from the lighter itself and the butane had left a blurry smear on the rear window glass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 01, 2020, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 30, 2020, 06:47:50 PM
That was the first retort that came to my mind as well. Also "white armed militias, terrorizing state capitols and spreading the virus".

This has got to be the most politicized disease in the history of the world.

It's all part of the weakening, overthrow, and replacement of our way of life from capitalism to socialism.  Once we are plunged into socialism, any form of tyrannical, despotic, dictatorial rule can be implemented to enforce the tyrannical, despotic, and dictatorial socialism.

If I were a part of any of these brown-shirt-like groups causing havoc, I would be concerned for my longevity once the group's usefulness has  run its course.

History has a way of repeating.

Woody

    "Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future."    B.E.Wood
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 01, 2020, 11:01:16 AM
I wish they would make up their minds.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/01/who-dont-wear-masks-while-exercising-only-need-to-maintain-3-feet-of-distance/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 01, 2020, 11:01:16 AM
I wish they would make up their minds.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/01/who-dont-wear-masks-while-exercising-only-need-to-maintain-3-feet-of-distance/

The feelz is settled.
Until the next feelz comes along that is
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Cue Greta

Ketchup and mustard packets are pandemic best-sellers. That's bad news for the environment
https://www.wlky.com/article/ketchup-and-mustard-packets-are-pandemic-best-sellers-that-s-bad-news-for-the-environment/33022785
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 01, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
The feelz is settled.
Until the next feelz comes along that is

And then that feelz will be settled again ... still ... until it's not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 01, 2020, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Cue Greta

Ketchup and mustard packets are pandemic best-sellers. That's bad news for the environment
https://www.wlky.com/article/ketchup-and-mustard-packets-are-pandemic-best-sellers-that-s-bad-news-for-the-environment/33022785
What about all the extra paper and plastic fast food restaurants are handing out because everything is to go? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 01, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 01, 2020, 03:49:31 PM
What about all the extra paper and plastic fast food restaurants are handing out because everything is to go? 

That's why God invented fire.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 01, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on July 01, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
That's why God invented fire.

Woody

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 01, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 01, 2020, 11:09:38 PM
Iowa is rapidly approaching 1% of the population testing positive with Covid 19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 02, 2020, 07:06:37 AM
Many (all?) the states and CDC are conflating active infections and those who test positive for antibodies.

The numbers are all BS, believe them at your own peril.

Of all places, the leftwing Atlantic points out the stupidness.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 02, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
Nice short video clip of the good Doctor in charge of the State of Illinois DPH.

When they were doing daily press conferences here in Illinois she was the only straight shooter, the rest speaking were obvious partisan hacks.

https://youtu.be/95VEAQ4Cqps

The numbers aren't just suspect but pretty much BS.

The virus is real and potentially dangerous but the reported numbers of infected and deaths are all garbage.

The fear mongers in the media and amongst us are lying to you to manipulate you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 02, 2020, 07:06:37 AM
Many (all?) the states and CDC are conflating active infections and those who test positive for antibodies.

The numbers are all BS, believe them at your own peril.

Of all places, the leftwing Atlantic points out the stupidness.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/
I wonder how much of that was deliberate and how much is just govt clerks adding everything together because they don't know any better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 09:04:29 AM
Buck Sexton makes a good point:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/02/thousands-gather-to-protest-in-los-angeles-as-the-state-bans-large-gatherings-for-july-4th-celebrations/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 02, 2020, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 02, 2020, 07:06:37 AM
Many (all?) the states and CDC are conflating active infections and those who test positive for antibodies.

The numbers are all BS, believe them at your own peril.

Of all places, the leftwing Atlantic points out the stupidness.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

I don't think antibody testing is really all that widespread yet. I think numbers sre being under reported in Iowa for positive nasal swap testing to protect the economy. Why? Because I'm finally having friends and acquaintances test positive, most are asymptomatic so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 02, 2020, 09:27:02 AM
Check your phone, they have added covid trackers. In Android it's in settings/Google services. Looks like it uses Bluetooth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 02, 2020, 09:27:02 AM
Check your phone, they have added covid trackers. In Android it's in settings/Google services. Looks like it uses Bluetooth.

Yep, there it is.  But supposedly you have to download an app from your state health dept to activate it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 02, 2020, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Yep, there it is.  But supposedly you have to download an app from your state health dept to activate it.

I came to the same conclusion and need to have bluetooth turned on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Yep, there it is.  But supposedly you have to download an app from your state health dept to activate it.

I see that. What is it supposed to track and report back? The little blurb makes it sounds like it's just warning you if you've entered an exposure area, but I reckon it's doing a lot more in the background.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 02, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
I see that. What is it supposed to track and report back? The little blurb makes it sounds like it's just warning you if you've entered an exposure area, but I reckon it's doing a lot more in the background.

It broadcasts an ID (supposedly anonymously) over Bluetooth, and records all those ID's it receives from other ppl's phones, along with the GPS coordinates and the BT signal strength.  If someone tests positive for Covid, they report it to Google and they notify everyone who has that person's ID stored on their phone.  The tracking data is stored for 14 days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 02, 2020, 11:13:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 02, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
I see that. What is it supposed to track and report back? The little blurb makes it sounds like it's just warning you if you've entered an exposure area, but I reckon it's doing a lot more in the background.

I don't have a phone that will run any aps so I can't explore what is going on, but I wouldn't doubt there is a lot going on in every background behind any aps that are supposed to be 'helpful' in any way.

I love my 20-plus year old still functioning Nokia 5190.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
It broadcasts an ID (supposedly anonymously) over Bluetooth, and records all those ID's it receives from other ppl's phones, along with the GPS coordinates and the BT signal strength.  If someone tests positive for Covid, they report it to Google and they notify everyone who has that person's ID stored on their phone.  The tracking data is stored for 14 days.
Well, that isn't so bad.  I am sure there is no risk of anyone holding that tracking data longer than 14 days.   :laugh:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 02, 2020, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 12:07:09 PM
Well, that isn't so bad.  I am sure there is no risk of anyone holding that tracking data longer than 14 days.   :laugh:



It's stored locally for 14 days.  You know the uploaded data on Google's cloud is stored a lot longer than that (until they deem it not worth the storage space it occupies.  And Google has really cheap storage so that could be a long time)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 02, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on July 02, 2020, 11:13:35 AM
I don't have a phone that will run any aps so I can't explore what is going on, but I wouldn't doubt there is a lot going on in every background behind any aps that are supposed to be 'helpful' in any way.

I love my 20-plus year old still functioning Nokia 5190.

Woody

I thought all analog cell service was ended, which means your phone may power up,  but you won't have service.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 02, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: charby on July 02, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
I thought all analog cell service was ended, which means your phone may power up,  but you won't have service.

5190 is first-gen digital (2G service). Still works on some services but 2G service is being phased out, by the end of this year if memory serves.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 02, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on July 02, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
5190 is first-gen digital (2G service). Still works on some services but 2G service is being phased out, by the end of this year if memory serves.

Brad

I think t-mobile is the only network that supports it too. GSM 1900?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on July 02, 2020, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 06:39:29 PM
https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/

Yeah, right.

So I looked up the study they are referencing (https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf (https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf)) and they are using date from May 25, 2020 to June 20, 2020.  The 14 day quarantine period is just coming to a close for the June 20 date.  I think they should have waited until the 14 day period was over to start their analysis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 02, 2020, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: charby on July 02, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
I think t-mobile is the only network that supports it too. GSM 1900?

I am on T-Mobile. I'm sure the 2G service will fade away soon. I guess I'll be in the market for a cheap 4G phone soon.

Funny thing: About 6 or 7 years ago, I was having trouble with a battery contact and went shopping around to the local pawn shops to see if there was a 5190 collecting dust on a back shelf somewhere that I could salvage the part I needed from. At the first shop, I asked if they had one and the guy reached under the counter and presented me with a basket full of them, no charge, but he wanted to keep his basket. I accepted the deal. There was a face among the collection with an intact lens as well, so I was able to replace the cracked one on my phone.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 03, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 03, 2020, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 03, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

That would mean that Trump may have been right.

IMPOSSIBLE! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 04, 2020, 11:19:08 AM
LA mayor, maskless in a mandatory mask state, the day before he tells people to stay home on the 4th, unless they're protesting.

The 4th this year should be a protest against people like him.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/04/los-angeles-mayor-tells-everybody-to-cancel-plans-with-others-for-the-4th-but-call-it-a-protest-and-hell-approve-apparently/

Poignant comment:

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You wanna protest the country as a horrible, unjust place, go for it!

You wanna celebrate its founding, not allowed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 05, 2020, 12:35:33 AM
THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

Unless it's not. But then the WHO just disses the dissenters ... this is starting to sound a lot like the global warming climate change debate.

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-ignores-risk-coronavirus-floats-120014485.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 05, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
Add priapism to the list of beer virus risks:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article243960697.html

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Doctors in France believe the novel coronavirus could be to blame for a man’s erection that lasted more than four hours, a new case study says.

Blood clots found within the 62-year-old’s penis caused a painful case of priapism — the medical term for a prolonged erection — and is thought to have been triggered by the disease, according to the report published in June in The American Journal of Emergency Medicine.

The case appears to be the first that links penile erections to COVID-19, the team of doctors said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 05, 2020, 03:55:14 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on July 05, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
Add priapism to the list of beer virus risks:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article243960697.html


What a fool I've been avoiding the Covid! A man my age needs all the help he can get!  >:D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 05, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
Quote
What a fool I've been avoiding the Covid! A man my age needs all the help he can get!  Evil

Woody

"Woody."  Heh.  =D

Using Covid to get all hornified and bonerized isn't very good for your partners...  or should I say,"victims."

Quote from: Angel Eyes on Today at 11:02:26 AM
"Add priapism to the list of beer virus risks"

So now it's a nasal swab, a temp check, and a grope? ;)  Hmmm.  I may go get myself tested.  Or is this just a back door effort to have more and more people get tested?

Terry

(My personal paranoia [tinfoil] =D based on 6 decades of watching government chicanery (of all governments) is that all this fear-mongering and swabbing is just to secretly add to the DNA database.  But take that with a grain of salt and some popcorn.   [popcorn] )
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 06, 2020, 12:07:39 AM
^^^We don't need that; any time you have given a sample for a lab test, the data and DNA goes straight to Big Fed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 06, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/

Out of the woods?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 06, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: 230RN on July 05, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
...
(My personal paranoia [tinfoil] =D based on 6 decades of watching government chicanery (of all governments) is that all this fear-mongering and swabbing is just to secretly add to the DNA database.  But take that with a grain of salt and some popcorn.   [popcorn] )

That very same thought has crossed my mind as well.

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These swabs being shoved up people's noses look like the ones used to collect DNA samples. I have no evidence that DNA is being collected, but it certainly is a possibility, isn't it. One could build up/add to a DNA data base with what's on those swabs. There is already a finger print data base. They want a firearms registry. Makes one wonder what else those in control want to gather about each and every one of us.

My body is a no swab zone. :hellno:

Woody
Posted by me on Oklahoma Shooters, 06/16/20

Great minds think alike.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 06, 2020, 08:13:07 PM
^ "Great minds think alike."

Paranoia is a survival trait.

Now I wonder how many others have thought this swabbing might be a vehicle for DNA collection.

Show of hands, please?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 06, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Well, I have it on good authority the CoVid is spread by chem-trails.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 06, 2020, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 06, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Well, I have it on good authority the CoVid is spread by chem-trails.

What a rube. Everyone knows it's spread by 5G cell towers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on July 06, 2020, 11:36:24 PM
Quote from: 230RN on July 06, 2020, 08:13:07 PM
^ "Great minds think alike."

Paranoia is a survival trait.

Now I wonder how many others have thought this swabbing might be a vehicle for DNA collection.

Show of hands, please?

Hand raised.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
Only 50? Come on Ky, this is the land of bourbon, we can do better than this

Survey finds Kentuckians have been drunk for 50 hours during lockdown
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/08/survey-finds-kentuckians-have-been-drunk-hours-during-lockdown/

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That may seem like a lot, but the Bluegrass State was one of only 10 states below the century mark. Indiana residents spent 102 hours drunk during the 11-week period, the survey indicated.

South Dakota adults took home the dubious top slot at 468 hours, while Nevada, with its debaucherous Las Vegas weekends on hold during the coronavirus emergency, checked in with just 33 hours of drunk time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 08, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 08, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
Only 50? Come on Ky, this is the land of bourbon, we can do better than this

Survey finds Kentuckians have been drunk for 50 hours during lockdown
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/08/survey-finds-kentuckians-have-been-drunk-hours-during-lockdown/


Here in WI, we don't even need a lockdown for that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 08, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
Geez, I have to get with the program, I have not been drunk once during the lockdown.  And I can't remember the last time I was drunk before the lockdown. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 08, 2020, 04:52:06 PM
Same here, although I drank one hell of a lot of beer (for me) over the holiday weekend.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 08, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
On another note, I made my bi-weekly pilgrimage to the supermarket today. YIKES! Some things were in stock, but a lot of spaces on the shelves were totally bare.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 09, 2020, 05:19:21 PM


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Beshear said Thursday he signed an executive order mandating anyone in public wear a mask that will go into effect Friday at 5 p.m. The mandate is in regard to any customers of retail facilities including grocery stores and other forward-facing businesses.

The governor also said if anyone is outdoors in a public space and cannot be six feet from another person, masks are required.

The order will initially be in effect for a period of 30 days.

Gov. Beshear issues mask mandate for Kentucky effective Friday at 5 p.m.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/09/gov-beshear-issues-mask-mandate-kentucky-effective-friday-pm/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 09, 2020, 07:40:04 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 09, 2020, 05:19:21 PM

Gov. Beshear issues mask mandate for Kentucky effective Friday at 5 p.m.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/09/gov-beshear-issues-mask-mandate-kentucky-effective-friday-pm/

They're coming to a town near you soon.    Stock up now!!!!!! [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 09, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
Kansas did the mask thing last week. It is the west boundary of my place. I went o two towns and saw one mask.

I asked a friend and he said the sheriff said don't call us we are not the mask police we have things to do.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 09, 2020, 08:19:15 PM
Spotted a guy in the supermarket with no mask.  Minded my own business, figuring I had no proof that he actually had and was spreading the virus.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
Youtube video that popped up in the list of videos that YT pushes

How ICE helped spread the corona virus

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 10, 2020, 10:01:14 PM
A man is spit on for removing his mask while EXITING a Costco. I hope she has to do at least a few days of jail, just because.

The first thing I do when I exit Costco is take off my mask, so I coulda been this guy.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-costco-shopper-coronavirus-mask
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2020, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 10, 2020, 10:01:14 PM
A man is spit on for removing his mask while EXITING a Costco. I hope she has to do at least a few days of jail, just because.

The first thing I do when I exit Costco is take off my mask, so I coulda been this guy.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-costco-shopper-coronavirus-mask

Was hoping her name was Karen
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 11, 2020, 12:25:02 AM
Would he be legally justified in slapping her after that?  Hard enough to do some damage  :mad:

Her nose looks like it's been broken before.  I wonder why?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 11, 2020, 06:40:15 AM
I've got a bright red Floor Warden hat which could be construed as being a MAGA hat.  I was tempted to wear it out a couple of days ago just for grins.

Then I got a rush of brains to the head and decided not to with all the self-righteous schmucks and schmuckettes running around loose.

This particular schmuckette proved me right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 11, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Looks to me that she's a little low on endorphins. Any volunteers out there to give her an orgasm or two?  :lol:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 11, 2020, 11:00:14 AM
As the somewhat indelicate phrase goes, "All she needs is a good stiff one... and I don't mean a martini."

I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 11, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on July 11, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Looks to me that she's a little low on endorphins. Any volunteers out there to give her an orgasm or two?  :lol:

Woody


(https://media.giphy.com/media/1yHYnjplMGBvq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 11, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 10, 2020, 10:01:14 PM
A man is spit on for removing his mask while EXITING a Costco. I hope she has to do at least a few days of jail, just because.

The first thing I do when I exit Costco is take off my mask, so I coulda been this guy.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-costco-shopper-coronavirus-mask

She's a teacher? ? ?   Can she spell hypocrisy? :O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 11, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 11, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
She's a teacher? ? ?   Can she spell hypocrisy? :O

She can probably spell it, but I doubt she knows what the word means.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 11, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Meanwhile, in the Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes department ...

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

A person who was sure COVID-19 is a hoax attended a coronavirus party. Apparently this is now a thing -- people throw these parties to see if anyone gets sick. This person got sick ... and died.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2020, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 11, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Meanwhile, in the Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes department ...

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

A person who was sure COVID-19 is a hoax attended a coronavirus party. Apparently this is now a thing -- people throw these parties to see if anyone gets sick. This person got sick ... and died.

Click
Click
Click
Click
Click
Bang!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 11, 2020, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 11, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Meanwhile, in the Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes department ...

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

A person who was sure COVID-19 is a hoax attended a coronavirus party. Apparently this is now a thing -- people throw these parties to see if anyone gets sick. This person got sick ... and died.
Be nice to have a name attached to that story.  I bet he was in one of the vulnerable groups.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 12, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

I still wear my "obedience training mask" when shopping or at work.

On occasion I also call it the "mask of humiliation"  :laugh:

The Chicago area is one of a few epicenters of mass neuroticism and madness of the crowd here in the Divided States of Diversity.

In clown world everyone is required to wear the clown mask.

If you don't, Karen Clown will call the manager.

All managers are clowns in good standing, honk honk.





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 12, 2020, 03:11:14 PM
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/11/guy-becomes-viral-hero-after-2-mask-shaming-women-accost-him-in-walmart-oh-god-another-one-945570

"You're like monkeys! Dropping out of the trees..."

 :laugh:

If I run into someone like that, I'd prefer to handle it a little differently. It might be fun to keep asking them repeat themselves, and let them know you can't hear them, because of the mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 12, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 12, 2020, 03:11:14 PM
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/11/guy-becomes-viral-hero-after-2-mask-shaming-women-accost-him-in-walmart-oh-god-another-one-945570

"You're like monkeys! Dropping out of the trees..."

 :laugh:

If I run into someone like that, I'd prefer to handle it a little differently. It might be fun to keep asking them repeat themselves, and let them know you can't hear them, because of the mask.


A group of Karens: "A scold of Karens"  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 12, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
The comment section is gold  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 12, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 12, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

I still wear my "obedience training mask" when shopping or at work.

On occasion I also call it the "mask of humiliation"  :laugh:

The Chicago area is one of a few epicenters of mass neuroticism and madness of the crowd here in the Divided States of Diversity.

In clown world everyone is required to wear the clown mask.

If you don't, Karen Clown will call the manager.

All managers are clowns in good standing, honk honk.


What is the point of that linked article?   ???  It reads quite intelligent .... but claims covid19 disappears in the summer.  It's the middle  of July and not only is it still here,  in the hot hot south it's spiking!!!

Some of the article sounds good .... but I must question it because atleast one assertion seems erroneous.

But,  I'm not a biophysicist or a virologist.....   so what do I know? [popcorn]

I'm not trying to be contentious but  ....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 12, 2020, 05:18:03 PM
Does "spiking" just mean an increase in testing?

As I understand it, respiratory illness tends to be more acute in warmer weather. So it's not that the summer just somehow weakens or kills the virus; it just makes the effects less severe. Also, normally, you'd expect less contagion in the summer, because people aren't huddling together, at home. Still plenty of huddling at home this time around.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 12, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 12, 2020, 04:49:43 PM

What is the point of that linked article?   ???  It reads quite intelligent .... but claims covid19 disappears in the summer.  It's the middle  of July and not only is it still here,  in the hot hot south it's spiking!!!

Some of the article sounds good .... but I must question it because atleast one assertion seems erroneous.

But,  I'm not a biophysicist or a virologist.....   so what do I know? [popcorn]

I'm not trying to be contentious but  ....

Well as most here know, I reject the reported numbers of deaths out of hand.

You, me, we, are flat out being lied to, they inflated the numbers and even admit to inflating the numbers. They are admitted liars. Fauci is a lying bastard, about several things actually.

The spike is in reported cases, reported cases go up with increased testing.

Hospitalizations and deaths have plummeted.

I don't deny it is a nasty virus that some folks have a hard time fighting off.

The overreaction and neurotic little girl panic that has been promulgated is so out of proportion to what has actually occurred is something out of a dystopian novel.  

I go along to get along because I live in the middle of clown world and don't need the hassle. But even here in clown world folks are increasingly getting tired of the nonsense.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on July 12, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
Has anyone determined the percentage of positive cases vs amount of tests over time?  I'd like to know if there is a larger percentage of positive results for a given number of tests this month over last month and the month before.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 13, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Seen the other day: guy wearing a mask with "Spaceballs: the mask" printed on it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 13, 2020, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on July 12, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
Has anyone determined the percentage of positive cases vs amount of tests over time?  I'd like to know if there is a larger percentage of positive results for a given number of tests this month over last month and the month before.
I don't see daily info for the whole country so I grabbed some state data.

In early April we were looking at a rolling 7 day average of 4-5 tests per case.  That crept up to a peak of about 23 tests per case in late June, and has since fallen to about 10 tests per case.

Unsurprisingly, late June also coincided with the highest testing rates.  Current daily testing rates are almost half of peak testing.  Whether that is due to something like Charby's testing manipulation conspiracy theory or general change in test demand I don't know.

Daily deaths peaked in late April at about 13 new cases per death.  Daily deaths are trending clearly downward and are currently sitting at a rate comparable to late March - almost 1/6th of what they were at peak.  Not sure if that is due to fewer severe cases or better treatments.

(https://i.imgur.com/2LdzRns.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2lW3Mw1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GHC4ZBX.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 13, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
Thanks cordex.

We can probably expect to see a rise in hospitalizations and deaths this fall. The virus is still spreading and the cold and flu season is when it will impact the most vulnerable.

On a side note, historically the response that worked the best during pandemics was to quarantine those who were already infected, limiting who they could expose. Then separately, quarantine those who were most vulnerable limiting possible contact with those who had the virus.

Instead we quarantined everyone shutting down just about our whole society.

Then governments forced facilities filled with those most vulnerable to take infected patients.

Historically during pandemics people understood that fresh air, sunshine and being outside was healthier than being locked in a building. Our government(s) locked down parks, beaches, millions of acres of "public land" even going so far as to harass people congregating too close together in their own neighborhoods.  

Now I get it, there are a lot of stupid people, especially in the poorer sections of big cities. They became the baseline by which restrictions were implemented along with the facilities of the most vulnerable where most of the deaths seem to have occurred. The majority has been lorded over based upon lowest common denominator.

The absolute inversion of what has actually always been known about pandemics is enough to make me question everything the government says on the subject.

    
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 13, 2020, 01:55:01 PM
Well,don't worry, even if you keep your distance, wear your mask, etc., you're still going to die because...

AIR CONDITIONING!

Of course, let's turn the AC off, make the Europeans happy, and we'll still die from the heat. But at least we won't die from the Beer Flu...

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/air-conditioning-may-be-factor-in-covid-19-spread-in-the-south/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 13, 2020, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 12, 2020, 06:16:17 PM

The spike is in reported cases, reported cases go up with increased testing.


And some states (but not all, and good luck figuring out which) are now conflating swab tests for active CV-19 with positive tests for antibodies -- which doesn't indicate an active infection, it only indicates that the person has been exposed to CV-19 at some point in the past.

I've been complaining to my state senator and representative for months that the numbers put out by our governor's office every day are useless. They don't even bother to answer me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 01:55:01 PM
Well,don't worry, even if you keep your distance, wear your mask, etc., you're still going to die because...

AIR CONDITIONING!

Of course, let's turn the AC off, make the Europeans happy, and we'll still die from the heat. But at least we won't die from the Beer Flu...

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/air-conditioning-may-be-factor-in-covid-19-spread-in-the-south/
But pretty much all AC systems have filters on the air recirculation.  If those filters are not working, what does that say about all these mask requirements?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 13, 2020, 02:19:31 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 13, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
But pretty much all AC systems have filters on the air recirculation.  If those filters are not working, what does that say about all these mask requirements?
:facepalm:   ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19  VIRUS  or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil]   Maybe.    I dunno.     :-X
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 13, 2020, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 13, 2020, 02:19:31 PM
:facepalm:   ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19  VIRUS  or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil]   Maybe.    I dunno.     :-X

Depends on the filter. Cheap ones won't, MPR over 1500 or MERV over 13 can.

https://www.airfiltersdelivered.com/c/merv-mpr-fpr-ratings
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 13, 2020, 02:41:48 PM
More and more though, commercial, and even home, HVAC systems have UV lights in the air stream that are put there specifically to kill germs and viri.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 13, 2020, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 13, 2020, 02:19:31 PM
:facepalm:   ....... I somehow don't think that air conditioner filters are effective for the covid19  VIRUS  or the aerosolized droplets that they zoom around in. ..... [tinfoil]   Maybe.    I dunno.     :-X

They aren't. It would need a HEPA filter, and standard HVAC systems don't use HEPA filters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 13, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 02:41:48 PM
More and more though, commercial, and even home, HVAC systems have UV lights in the air stream that are put there specifically to kill germs and viri.

I put a Reme Halo in my house at the beginning of this whole fiasco. My buddy had two in stock and I bought it at cost.

I highly recommend it, made a big difference in the house. I have a dirt crawlspace and after heavy rains there is always a musty smell. No more, house always smells fresh.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 13, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 13, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
I put a Reme Halo in my house at the beginning of this whole fiasco. My buddy had two in stock and I bought it at cost.

I highly recommend it, made a big difference in the house. I have a dirt crawlspace and after heavy rains there is always a musty smell. No more, house always smells fresh.

 

Hey, I wonder if that's where my smell comes from? I pick something like that up after a good rain and it will last several hours before it goes away. I also have a dirt crawlspace. It's lined with heavy visquine or similar, but I don't know if that makes any difference.

I just googled the Halo. That's actually pretty cheap. How is it for electricity usage, and how difficult is it to install (I'd have someone do it, but am wondering how much labor is involved)?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 13, 2020, 03:47:55 PM
If you add more filtration keep an eye on it. If you don't have enough air flow the evaporater might freeze up.

Been a few years since I installed a UV system in a furnace but I'm not sure if they are UVC or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on July 13, 2020, 03:54:33 PM
My company is recommending Bipolar Ionization from this company for this issue: https://blog.plasma-air.com/plasma-air-ionization-proven-to-reduce-coronavirus-surrogate-ms2-bacteriophage-by-99-in-independent-spanish-testing/ (https://blog.plasma-air.com/plasma-air-ionization-proven-to-reduce-coronavirus-surrogate-ms2-bacteriophage-by-99-in-independent-spanish-testing/)

In fact we are installing them on all of our air handler units.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 13, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
"Hey, I wonder if that's where my smell comes from?"

Mmmmm, maybe... but I'm betting that it's actually you.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 13, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off.

Drill a hole in the supply side above the coil, mount and plug it in and that's about all. Took me less than 20 minutes to install.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 13, 2020, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
"Hey, I wonder if that's where my smell comes from?"

Mmmmm, maybe... but I'm betting that it's actually you.

 :rofl:

Well,  I knew I set myself up for that, so I'll just take my lumps.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 13, 2020, 04:24:08 PM
For your perusal
https://www.rgf.com/products/air/reme-halo/

This tech isn't really that new and has been used for awhile in industrial/healthcare/commercial applications.

It works against airborn viruses and has been tested against the swine flu (corona virus), pretty much destroys it completely.

There are BS UV systems also so make sure you read all the literature available.

I don't know if mine is the "best" but after checking into it I grabbed it as they were selling like hotcakes.

https://www.rgf.com/test-results/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 13, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
"It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off."

Hum... That might work really well in my home, then, as my air handler is virtually never off. I have the fan set to recirculate. The only time I turn it off is when I'm either changing the filter or when I'm heading out for an extended vacation.

How long does the bulb last?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 13, 2020, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
"It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off."

Hum... That might work really well in my home, then, as my air handler is virtually never off. I have the fan set to recirculate. The only time I turn it off is when I'm either changing the filter or when I'm heading out for an extended vacation.

How long does the bulb last?

They recommend replace every 2-3 years.

I suspect it still works longer but at diminished output.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2020, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
"It's powered by it's own 24v transformer, something like a half amp draw. It stays on even when the furnace is off."

Hum... That might work really well in my home, then, as my air handler is virtually never off. I have the fan set to recirculate. The only time I turn it off is when I'm either changing the filter or when I'm heading out for an extended vacation.

How long does the bulb last?
Down here I get condensation issues if I run the fan full time.  If your system isn't in the attic, maybe that helps. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on July 13, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
Anyone know about the safety of these Halo things? I'm not big on making ozone in the house which this does a little of. Crazy allergies here, would be nice to have something to fix it, so far running a dehumidifier 24/7 in the basement(when it doesn't have 18" of water in it) and working on the crawl space vapor barrier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 13, 2020, 09:33:08 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 13, 2020, 12:27:34 PM
...
Daily deaths peaked in late April at about 13 new cases per death.  Daily deaths are trending clearly downward and are currently sitting at a rate comparable to late March - almost 1/6th of what they were at peak.  Not sure if that is due to fewer severe cases or better treatments.

(https://i.imgur.com/2LdzRns.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2lW3Mw1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GHC4ZBX.png)

Could be because of something as simple as attrition. A lot of the sickest are already gone and fewer of the sickest remain.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on July 13, 2020, 10:30:54 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 13, 2020, 12:27:34 PM
I don't see daily info for the whole country so I grabbed some state data.

In early April we were looking at a rolling 7 day average of 4-5 tests per case.  That crept up to a peak of about 23 tests per case in late June, and has since fallen to about 10 tests per case.


Thanks cordex.  That's exactly the info I was hoping for.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on July 14, 2020, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: French G. on July 13, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
Anyone know about the safety of these Halo things? I'm not big on making ozone in the house which this does a little of. Crazy allergies here, would be nice to have something to fix it, so far running a dehumidifier 24/7 in the basement(when it doesn't have 18" of water in it) and working on the crawl space vapor barrier.


I would encourage everyone to check out the link from my previous post about Bi-Polar Ionization.  UL2998 listed equipment does not produce ozone greater than 0.001 ppm.  You wire the unit/units into your fan power supply so the unit is on when the air moves.  The units are rated for certain CFMs and you can put multiple units in your HVAC system, after the filter.  You just have to check the carbon brushes bi-annually to make sure they are clean.  If anybody wants to read a whitepaper from one of our Mechanicl Engineers PM me and I will send it to you.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 14, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Where's that asteroid?
I could see this being great for kids, with some reservations, but as an adult I have zero desire to look like my cat

You can look like your pet with these adorable furry face masks
https://www.wlky.com/article/stitch-animal-face-masks/33298617
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 14, 2020, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 13, 2020, 09:05:08 PM
Down here I get condensation issues if I run the fan full time.  If your system isn't in the attic, maybe that helps. 

Nope, my air handler is in the basement.

I also run dehumidifiers in the basement and on the second floor, as needed (and that's most of the time in the summer).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 14, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
On the COVID subject, I did hear someone (Ben Shapiro?) point out that the recent spike in COVID-19 cases corresponds pretty closely with the protests/riots that a springing up everywhere. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 14, 2020, 05:19:56 PM
There's a national daily deaths chart available below that has a 7 day moving average precalculated into it.  There is a slight spike (753 per day) that has brought us up to June 15th levels.  Or April 1st levels on the other side of the chart.  We peaked at 2,255 per day.

The relevant chart is about halfway down the page.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 15, 2020, 08:03:00 AM
Quote from: cordex on July 14, 2020, 05:19:56 PM
There's a national daily deaths chart available below that has a 7 day moving average precalculated into it.  There is a slight spike (753 per day) that has brought us up to June 15th levels.  Or April 1st levels on the other side of the chart.  We peaked at 2,255 per day.

The relevant chart is about halfway down the page.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I would just like to point out that the numbers are "reported deaths".

Everyone will have to determine for themselves just how much they trust the reporting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 15, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 15, 2020, 08:03:00 AM
I would just like to point out that the numbers are "reported deaths".

Everyone will have to determine for themselves just how much they trust the reporting.
Even if you believe the data used overestimate the real numbers it is interesting to see the overall downward trend and the rate of change/comparison to historical absolutes as well as the relationship to reported deaths vs reported infections.  If this is the result of cooked numbers trying to exaggerate the danger then the chef needs to spend more time in the kitchen.

In my eyes this explains why people most concerned about the virus are referring only to summaries of detected infections instead of COVID deaths (1/5th of peak) and hospital census (about half of peak).  Also, the claim that there is a two week lag between testing results and deaths doesn't bear out in the data - largely because testing is constantly expanding.  It is clear to me that we're testing more people with less serious symptoms which is increasing the infection numbers, but not increasing the serious cases.

Also, Charby's concerns in late May about his governor trying to suppress tests (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1256341#msg1256341) for political gain doesn't seem to be shown in the data (https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/#CurrentStatus).  Looks like Iowa is testing a rolling average of 150% of the rolling average they were testing on 5/26 and has not seen any substantial decrease in tests run.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 15, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
My point, in pointing out the lies, disinformation and outright propaganda is simply not ceding any ground to the enemy.

Large corporations and our government are not only complicit in this debacle but they're the architects and foot soldiers who foisted this abomination upon us.

Fauci in particular is a lying little weasel who has financial conflict of interests.

 

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 15, 2020, 12:56:48 PM
This isn't really news to anyone here, but I'll post it anyway:

https://aapsonline.org/how-should-governors-respond-to-covid-19-surge/
https://aapsonline.org/breaking-covid-news-that-could-save-your-live/

Summary: Don't shut things down, give HCQ to high risk and exposed people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 15, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
Rush mentioned this earlier:

Coronavirus update: Florida labs not reporting negative test results, report says
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-update-florida-labs-not-reporting-negative-test-results-report

Quote
“Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive,” Fox 35 News reported Tuesday. “Other labs had very high positivity rates.”

Orlando Health, for example, reported a 98 percent positivity rate. Lee Memorial Hospital Lab, PanCare of Florida, Inc and Advance Medical of Naples all reported 100 percent positivity rates; no negative results were included.

That rate implies every person tested had a positive result.

Fox 35 News said it investigated the numbers by contacting every local location listed in the report. Orlando Health confirmed to Fox News that the 98 percent figure is incorrect and the positivity rate is actually 9.4 percent.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/15/florida-labs-incorrectly-reported-a-100-positivity-rate-for-coronavirus-tests/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
Meanwhile at The Hall of Justice

Black Homes Matter

Furniture left at Hall of Justice to send a message about evictions during pandemic
https://www.wlky.com/article/furniture-left-at-hall-of-justice-to-send-a-message-about-evictions-during-pandemic/33325258

(https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/furniture-1594831551.jpg?crop=1.00xw:1.00xh;0,0&resize=900:*)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 15, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
Rush mentioned this earlier:

Coronavirus update: Florida labs not reporting negative test results, report says
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-update-florida-labs-not-reporting-negative-test-results-report

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/15/florida-labs-incorrectly-reported-a-100-positivity-rate-for-coronavirus-tests/

According to the internal conference calls the FL hospital my wife works at is in the 15-ish% range for positive tests, although they are testing ALL patients, ALL employees with confirmed exposure to a positive case, and any employee that complains of symptoms, so that's a lot of testing.  Cases are up, percentage of cases that are requiring hospitalization are up, and percentage of those that require ICU care are up from 30 days ago.* We're also seeing more community spread by PPE complacency then 30 days ago.

Our county (Hillsborough County) is about the same on the morning calls.  According to the county's dashboard (https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/residents/public-safety/emergency-management/stay-safe/covid-19-dashboard#cases) out 14 day rolling average is currently at 16.16% of tests are positive.  Over the entire pandemic our percent of positive tests are 9.9%


*I know this is a source of contention on here, and that's one of the reasons I don't post much in this thread.  To the skeptics, I would warn that ,unless noted and accompanied by a link, I am only talking about the numbers here in Tampa that I was either present for the conference call discussing them, or my wife or close friends (who are employed at area hospitals and are actually treating the COVID cases or managing our response here in Tampa) have first hand knowledge of.  I'm not going off of podcasts or internet oped numbers.  If you'd like to call my wife or I a liar, you can of course, but I will take umbrage if you do.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
Several minor observations after my trip to Costco this morning:

Costco was one of the first places here, if not the first, to require masks. I've been there probably half a dozen times since that went into effect. Today for the first time, I noticed some Costco employees wearing clear face shields instead of masks. The kind of face shield you might wear for grinding or something. Totally open around the sides and bottom. I suppose it would stop the physical material from a sneeze or something, but I'm thinking it's not very effective for anything else. I'm wondering if employees are complaining about breathing problems with masks, and Costco gave them an out with the face shields. To me, that just kind of gives the impression of "mask theater" versus really wanting people to wear masks for protection of themselves and others.

Usually this time of year, Costco has a big display of Summer recreational gear like kayaks, inflatables, float tubes, camping gear, etc. There has been practically nothing (at least at my Costco, and river floating is big here) on display the last couple of times I've been there. Just wondering if there is any correlation to people not doing those activities as much now. Though they are outdoor activities where distancing is easy. Anyway, I thought it was abnormal.

Lastly, though, as I said, I'd been to Costco plenty of times since the mask thing, for some reason as I was walking the aisles today and seeing all the masked shoppers walking around in status quo mode, I couldn't help but be hit with the thought of "Dystopian normal" - almost like I was a character in some Science Fiction book I was reading about a post-pandemic or other disaster world. If you would have told me I'd be interacting with people in a masked world as normal, I would have thought you had just watched Bladerunner or something. Anyway, just a random weird thought I had.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 15, 2020, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
According to the internal conference calls the FL hospital my wife works at is in the 15-ish% range for positive tests, although they are testing ALL patients, ALL employees with confirmed exposure to a positive case, and any employee that complains of symptoms, so that's a lot of testing.  Cases are up, percentage of cases that are requiring hospitalization are up, and percentage of those that require ICU care are up from 30 days ago.* We're also seeing more community spread by PPE complacency then 30 days ago.
Based on the dashboard you posted it looks like you are only now hitting your first peak.  Almost no detected cases at all until June?  Looks like your area is about two/two and a half months behind a lot of the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 15, 2020, 02:56:37 PM
Based on the dashboard you posted it looks like you are only now hitting your first peak.  Almost no detected cases at all until June?  Looks like your area is about two/two and a half months behind a lot of the country.

We're pretty steady with the rest of FL.  The first US peak was CA and NY mostly.  FL is getting a lot of the second one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 15, 2020, 03:11:11 PM
Quote
Usually this time of year, Costco has a big display of Summer recreational gear like kayaks, inflatables, float tubes, camping gear, etc. There has been practically nothing (at least at my Costco, and river floating is big here) on display the last couple of times I've been there. Just wondering if there is any correlation to people not doing those activities as much now. Though they are outdoor activities where distancing is easy. Anyway, I thought it was abnormal.

I think there are  a several causes to the lack of recreational/hobby stuff I've been seeing.  Part of it is a hell of a lot of that stuff is made in China or other offshore locations and the supply chain has had a serious disruption.  Another factor is that people are buy up all the boredom busters they can get their hands on.

Saw an interesting phenomenon on the 4th of July. All the fireworks stands around Tulsa were essentially sold out by midafternoon. I don't know if it was due to a lack of supply or a higher than usual sales volume.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 15, 2020, 03:11:11 PM

Saw an interesting phenomenon on the 4th of July. All the fireworks stands around Tulsa were essentially sold out by midafternoon. I don't know if it was due to a lack of supply or a higher than usual sales volume.

There's a big fireworks store at the I84 offramp I take when coming home from the Boise region. I only have two years of data, but this place easily had four times the traffic this year compared to last year. Cars were parked well past their big parking lot up and down the frontage road there. I suppose with all the cancellations of professional shows, in places where they can, people decided to make their own shows.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 15, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 15, 2020, 03:11:11 PM

Saw an interesting phenomenon on the 4th of July. All the fireworks stands around Tulsa were essentially sold out by midafternoon. I don't know if it was due to a lack of supply or a higher than usual sales volume.

I'm going with high sales volume:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvdcdogC6k
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 15, 2020, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
  If you'd like to call my wife or I a liar, you can of course, but I will take umbrage if you do.

I bite my thumb at you, sir.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 15, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 15, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
Today for the first time, I noticed some Costco employees wearing clear face shields instead of masks. The kind of face shield you might wear for grinding or something. Totally open around the sides and bottom. I suppose it would stop the physical material from a sneeze or something, but I'm thinking it's not very effective for anything else. I'm wondering if employees are complaining about breathing problems with masks, and Costco gave them an out with the face shields. To me, that just kind of gives the impression of "mask theater" versus really wanting people to wear masks for protection of themselves and others.



There are claims these are about as effective as masks.  I don't know myself.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pb on July 15, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
There are claims these are about as effective as masks.  I don't know myself.

Well, I suppose they're better than mask below the nose, which I've seen done by many employees at different stores.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 15, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
One of the schools east of me has plans for teachers to wear face shields and the kids wear nothing. They say it is still a work in progress depending on state and local guidelines come the start of school.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 15, 2020, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 15, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Well, I suppose they're better than mask below the nose, which I've seen done by many employees at different stores.
Some people do have breathing issues and some of those masks don't help at all.  I can see something like a face shield making it much easier for some people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 15, 2020, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
We're pretty steady with the rest of FL.  The first US peak was CA and NY mostly.  FL is getting a lot of the second one.
It helps that Florida did not force COVID-19 patients into nursing homes.  I think Texas is in that first peak category to an extent.  I heard hospitalizations were up, but may have fallen off a little lately.

I think the main thing to keep in mind is COVID-19 is not going away.  All these precautions are doing is slowing it down (we hope).  I get the impression some people don't understand that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 15, 2020, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 13, 2020, 02:41:48 PM
More and more though, commercial, and even home, HVAC systems have UV lights in the air stream that are put there specifically to kill germs and viri.

I don't think this is anywhere near as widespread as your post makes it seem, Mike. Yesterday I spoke with one of the best mechanical engineers in this state about COVID-19 and code changes for ventilation. The question of UV sterilization in HVAC questions came up. She said it's very rare for an owner to request that. It won't become commonplace unless/until the building code requires it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 15, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 15, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
According to the internal conference calls the FL hospital my wife works at is in the 15-ish% range for positive tests, although they are testing ALL patients, ALL employees with confirmed exposure to a positive case, and any employee that complains of symptoms, so that's a lot of testing.  Cases are up, percentage of cases that are requiring hospitalization are up, and percentage of those that require ICU care are up from 30 days ago.* We're also seeing more community spread by PPE complacency then 30 days ago.

Our county (Hillsborough County) is about the same on the morning calls.  According to the county's dashboard (https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/residents/public-safety/emergency-management/stay-safe/covid-19-dashboard#cases) out 14 day rolling average is currently at 16.16% of tests are positive.  Over the entire pandemic our percent of positive tests are 9.9%


*I know this is a source of contention on here, and that's one of the reasons I don't post much in this thread.  To the skeptics, I would warn that ,unless noted and accompanied by a link, I am only talking about the numbers here in Tampa that I was either present for the conference call discussing them, or my wife or close friends (who are employed at area hospitals and are actually treating the COVID cases or managing our response here in Tampa) have first hand knowledge of.  I'm not going off of podcasts or internet oped numbers.  If you'd like to call my wife or I a liar, you can of course, but I will take umbrage if you do.

Any data on the demographics and overall percentage of those requiring hospitalization and/or ICU care?

The corporate/media/government narrative doesn't differentiate between those who are hit hard and those who have much milder symptoms. It's all Covid 1984 hair on fire danger Will Robinson!!

It's already been established the death counts are flat out lies.



 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 15, 2020, 11:53:42 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 15, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
One of the schools east of me has plans for teachers to wear face shields and the kids wear nothing.

My my! A very progressive school, I see.


Quote from: Ben on July 15, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Well, I suppose they're better than mask below the nose, which I've seen done by many employees at different stores.

Unless this disease truly gets out of hand, or the media ups their fear-mongering to more effective levels, that's what we can expect. You make people wear the masks when they don't really want to, they'll just try and skate by.

I have to wear one for my job now, and I mostly just ape the customer that's in front of me. If he's wearing one, I pull mine up as far as his goes (above or below the nose, whatever). Aside from that, I mostly keep the mask down on my chin. Looks stupid, but whatever.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 16, 2020, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 15, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Any data on the demographics and overall percentage of those requiring hospitalization and/or ICU care?


If there is I don't have it.  Most of my info comes from listening in on, or talking to people that did listen to, the various hospital's morning "stand up briefs".  That kind of info isn't covered in those briefs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 16, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 15, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
Any data on the demographics and overall percentage of those requiring hospitalization and/or ICU care?
Here's some age data for all of Florida:
(https://i.imgur.com/pBzUI3a.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BezpePr.png)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 16, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
I find the slight uptick after 108 years old kind of strange.

My county gave some numbers today. 23 total cases since the start. Five considered active. Zero hospitalizations and we have only had one death. It was in May she was over eighty and got it from a visiting family member.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 16, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 16, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
I find the slight uptick after 108 years old kind of strange.
I think those were NAs.  I should have removed them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 16, 2020, 08:39:37 PM
10 deaths yesterday in my county from Covid. Up until Tuesday we just had one covid 19 death since the start. I know the medical examiner and he would not fudge any numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 17, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: charby on July 16, 2020, 08:39:37 PM
10 deaths yesterday in my county from Covid. Up until Tuesday we just had one covid 19 death since the start. I know the medical examiner and he would not fudge any numbers.

The medical examiner will use the definition he is told to use.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 17, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 17, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
The medical examiner will use the definition he is told to use.
Or it will be reinterpreted up the chain.  

The story about testing labs in Florida reporting 100% positive results seemed to only be on the reporting side.  The people at the lab knew the real number.  It wasn't clear to me where the false data started.  

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 17, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 17, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
The medical examiner will use the definition he is told to use.
Even if someone is operating in good faith it can be difficult to determine actual causes of death.  Death from COVID and death with COVID are two different things.

That said, you regularly harp on the "FAKE NUMBERS!" side of things.  Some people are certainly manipulating numbers for political gain, but I'm not convinced it is as common as you pretend.  Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa.  Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.

I have no doubt that Charby's medical examiner and dogmush's hospital contacts are seeing a real increase in death associated with COVID19.  Their areas have not yet been hit very hard or at all.  When COVID19 reaches those areas they will see similar increased death rates as other areas - especially among elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions, but also somewhat randomly among otherwise pretty healthy young people.  People going through this for the first time are worried because they're only seeing now what many parts of the country saw months ago.  The data are pretty consistent when you adjust for the infection start, isolation efforts, and testing.

Deaths associated with COVID tend to spike over the course of something like two to two and a half months followed by a taper down in a long tail.  Lockdowns and mask requirements can stretch this out but the ultimate end result is the about the same because at some point the lockdown lifts and COVID has infection reservoirs all over the world and will come back in.

I know you've recognized several times that COVID kills people.  If your argument is that the death rate is low enough, or the age of the people killed is high enough that we shouldn't shut down or shouldn't require masks, or whatever ... fine, make that point.  That doesn't mean that the numbers are complete bunk.  What they show is pretty consistent and - like any statistic - only as alarmist as the person reporting them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
On a positive note, due to a slow economy, I'm in the process of lowering my mortgage rate greater than 1% and shortening the term for the same payment amount I am making today.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 17, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: charby on July 17, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
On a positive note, due to a slow economy, I'm in the process of lowering my mortgage rate greater than 1% and shortening the term for the same payment amount I am making today.

Yep, I'll be looking into that right after the employment situation is straightened out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 17, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
I read this same story several times.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/07/17/the-real-cause-of-a-coronavirus-death-in-florida-will-have-you-questioning-everything/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2020, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: charby on July 17, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
On a positive note, due to a slow economy, I'm in the process of lowering my mortgage rate greater than 1% and shortening the term for the same payment amount I am making today.

I refinanced back in 2018... but with rates going where they are, I'm thinking seriously about doing it again. I just have to run a few scenarios to make sure that it will be worth it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 17, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
I just got a new 30year with 20% down for 2.875. That's 0.5% lower than the 15 year mortgage a had a couple years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 17, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
I just got a new 30year with 20% down for 2.875. That's 0.5% lower than the 15 year mortgage a had a couple years ago.

I got locked in a 2.79%, currently I am 3.79%. I'm in year 4.5 of a 30 year mortgage, new mortgage will be 20 years. I'll probably pay it off sooner.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 17, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Has anyone else heard the conjecture that herd immunity for Chinavirus may be as low as 10%?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 17, 2020, 01:38:00 PM
I feel oppressed. I do not have a mortgage to refinance to a lower rate.
I paid it off 8 years ago.
I demand reparations.

 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
Sounds like time to tap into your home equity...

You know, I have no clue what the interest rate on my HELOC is right now...

I ought to look into that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 17, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
  Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa.  Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.

Wait a minute there cowboy, I said the governor of Iowa, not the republicans. Plenty of republicans (and democrats) here want more state coordinated testing available every where in Iowa to get a better idea of where this pandemic is increasing or reducing. Our current governor is a recovering alcoholic who traded that addiction for a religion addiction, she isn't fan of a lot of scientific reasoning. Also frankly she is over her head in trying to manage a crisis, she appointed way to many yes people under her. The website numbers look great, but they are also missing a lot of the population of Iowa, especially the rural and semi rural parts of the state.

She still hasn't opened up Iowa testing centers in all area of Iowa. I live in a regional hub town, and I still would have to drive 70 miles one way to state testing site, well after I get an appointment confirmation via the website. My GP office is so back logged that I would never get the initial appointment in to be able to get a Covid test in a timely manor locally.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2020, 02:26:46 PM
"timely manor"

They won't let you get your test at timely manor?

But it's such a spacious manor, which allows for proper social distancing...

 :-*
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 17, 2020, 02:26:46 PM
"timely manor"

They won't let you get your test at timely manor?

But it's such a spacious manor, which allows for proper social distancing...

 :-*

lots of places to hide the bodies
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2020, 04:03:49 PM
Looks like I'm right on the cusp of it being logical to refinance my mortgage. Could go either way...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 17, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: charby on July 17, 2020, 02:17:21 PM
Wait a minute there cowboy, I said the governor of Iowa, not the republicans.
Ah.  My mistake.
Quote from: charby on July 17, 2020, 02:17:21 PM
She still hasn't opened up Iowa testing centers in all area of Iowa. I live in a regional hub town, and I still would have to drive 70 miles one way to state testing site, well after I get an appointment confirmation via the website. My GP office is so back logged that I would never get the initial appointment in to be able to get a Covid test in a timely manor locally.
If you can't get in with your GP or an alternate provider, are your local hospitals not doing testing?  Check out Walgreens - there's probably one in your town and some locations are doing free testing.  A lot of urgent care clinics are doing tests as well.  I'm sure you've got a couple of them nearby.

I suspect that the testing is available if you're interested, even if it isn't at a state-funded site.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 17, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
Ah.  My mistake.If you can't get in with your GP or an alternate provider, are your local hospitals not doing testing?  Check out Walgreens - there's probably one in your town and some locations are doing free testing.  A lot of urgent care clinics are doing tests as well.  I'm sure you've got a couple of them nearby.

I suspect that the testing is available if you're interested, even if it isn't at a state-funded site.

GP is part of the hospital system here, yea for MercyOne. I'll check with Walgreens, thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: charby on July 17, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
GP is part of the hospital system here, yea for MercyOne. I'll check with Walgreens, thanks for the suggestion.

Called the neighbor Walgreens, only 1 Walgreens in Iowa is offering Covid testing, Des Monies, which is 2hrs away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2020, 05:12:49 PM
Hang out in a nursing home for a day or so. Old people start dropping and you're Covid positive...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 17, 2020, 05:53:18 PM
I watch the local news around here and one of the small towns around me is doing drive through testing every weekend. Maybe a clinic maybe an optimist club or VFW parking lot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 17, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 17, 2020, 05:53:18 PM
I watch the local news around here and one of the small towns around me is doing drive through testing every weekend. Maybe a clinic maybe an optimist club or VFW parking lot.

Oh I'm glued to the news on where testing is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2020, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 17, 2020, 10:10:05 AM

That said, you regularly harp on the "FAKE NUMBERS!" side of things.  Some people are certainly manipulating numbers for political gain, but I'm not convinced it is as common as you pretend.  Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa.  Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.


I disagree. The concern is the aggregate number(s). If any of the numbers adding up to the aggregate are bunkum, IMHO that invalidates the whole package.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 17, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Has anyone else heard the conjecture that herd immunity for Chinavirus may be as low as 10%?

What I've been reading is that "herd immunity" probably doesn't work at all for CV-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 17, 2020, 06:47:42 PM
I've read the same that herd immunity is out of reach.

On the numbers side it came out last week and again today that some states are adding positive case and antibody positives to the total current cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 17, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2020, 06:23:59 PM
I disagree. The concern is the aggregate number(s). If any of the numbers adding up to the aggregate are bunkum, IMHO that invalidates the whole package.

That depends on how significant the bullshit numbers are with respect to the totals.  You discount the aggregate based on the numbers you don't trust.  You don't throw out all the data unless all the data is bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 17, 2020, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 17, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Has anyone else heard the conjecture that herd immunity for Chinavirus may be as low as 10%?

What I've heard is herd immunity for covid19  may either not exist,  or be short-lived if it does  .......   ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
If there is no significant herd immunity due to mutations or whatever, then really, I don't see how any lockdowns will do more than simply limit the numbers of sick over any given period. You can lock everyone down everywhere in the country for a year, and at some point there will be a new patient zero that has been carrying some mutation of the virus, or someone coming in from abroad (including illegally) and an encounter with some very susceptible person, and we start all over again.

Also if we create no vaccines that do any better than the current runs of flu vaccines, then it seems we continue to be in the same boat. This may be here to stay, same as the common cold, except with more serious consequences for the at-risk population. To be a little science-fictiony or Darwinist, this may be a global event that kills off certain gene pools.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 17, 2020, 07:07:46 PM
Quote
“The prevalence of immunity to the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 may be much higher than previous research suggests according to an intriguing new study by researchers associated with Karolinska Institute in Sweden,” Reason magazine reported. “In addition, a new German study by researchers associated with the University Hospital Tübingen in Germany reports that people who have been previously infected with versions of the coronavirus that cause the common cold also have some immunity to the COVID-19 virus. If these reports stand up to further scrutiny, it would be very good news because they suggest that the pandemic could be over sooner and ultimately be less lethal than feared.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/herd-immunity-to-covid-19-may-be-closer-than-we-think-new-studies-say
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2020, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 17, 2020, 06:47:42 PM

On the numbers side it came out last week and again today that some states are adding positive case and antibody positives to the total current cases.

I have seen those reports, too. I've been trying for at least a week to find out if my state is one of those whose numbers include antibody tests, and "they ain't talkin'." Which doesn't surprise me. Our governor puts out a briefing every day that includes the current numbers. I've been printing out the summary sheet every day, logging the numbers in a spreadsheet, and filing the printouts in a looseleaf binder. Aside from the fact that as of May 3 there was an unexplained shift, with the result that from May 3 forward the number for total cases they report is off from what their own numbers add up to by 25, and the number of deaths they report is off from what their numbers add up to by 59. And they don't report any number for recoveries ... and multiple inquiries to my state senator and my state representative as to why we are not being given numbers on recoveries have been met with silence.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 17, 2020, 07:10:47 PM
Reference Ben's  post  a couple above.^^^^

The Spanish Flu virus has been around for a century.  It isn't as deadly because viruses tend to mutate into less deadly versions.   There is some anecdotal evidence this is already happening in Italy.

In the last week there have been very incouraging reports of vaccines that look tremendously promising.   Last Friday on Tucker Carlson Dr. Siegel  spoke of one,  and he returned this week on TC  to tout another.   Just 10  minutes ago at the top of hour radio news another report on a promising vaccine.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 17, 2020, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 17, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
Even if someone is operating in good faith it can be difficult to determine actual causes of death.  Death from COVID and death with COVID are two different things.

That said, you regularly harp on the "FAKE NUMBERS!" side of things.  Some people are certainly manipulating numbers for political gain, but I'm not convinced it is as common as you pretend.  Charby was likewise worried about the sneaky Republicans manipulating testing to hide COVID19 infections in Iowa.  Just as his concerns turned out to be partisan fearmongering, so too your constant claims that because some numbers aren't accurate all numbers are junk therefore we must ignore them all is little more than a conspiracy theory.

I have no doubt that Charby's medical examiner and dogmush's hospital contacts are seeing a real increase in death associated with COVID19.  Their areas have not yet been hit very hard or at all.  When COVID19 reaches those areas they will see similar increased death rates as other areas - especially among elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions, but also somewhat randomly among otherwise pretty healthy young people.  People going through this for the first time are worried because they're only seeing now what many parts of the country saw months ago.  The data are pretty consistent when you adjust for the infection start, isolation efforts, and testing.

Deaths associated with COVID tend to spike over the course of something like two to two and a half months followed by a taper down in a long tail.  Lockdowns and mask requirements can stretch this out but the ultimate end result is the about the same because at some point the lockdown lifts and COVID has infection reservoirs all over the world and will come back in.

I know you've recognized several times that COVID kills people.  If your argument is that the death rate is low enough, or the age of the people killed is high enough that we shouldn't shut down or shouldn't require masks, or whatever ... fine, make that point.  That doesn't mean that the numbers are complete bunk.  What they show is pretty consistent and - like any statistic - only as alarmist as the person reporting them.

The bottom line is the reporting of cases and deaths is pretty arbitrary at every step.

If they wanted they could "arbitrarily" tighten up the standards for coding covid-1984 cases and deaths and it would look like nothing more than a terrible flu year.

At this point the public has zero good information to make actual good decisions because its all lies top to bottom.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 18, 2020, 12:42:00 AM
The mask vs no mask debate is heating up locally.  Tulsa has issued a mask ordinance that goes into effect Monday. It's interesting to me to see where people are coming down on the sides of the issue.
It looks to me that the socialist/liberal/anti-conservative folks, the same bunch that.fall out for BLM and antifa riots seem to be coming down on the pro-mask side and they employ the typical insults and name calling to advance their position.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 18, 2020, 09:03:40 AM
The adoration of Fauci the Lying Weasel is starting to get old also.

He's lied about masks, airborn transmission and the malaria drugs safety.

If this whole debacle doesn't wake you up to the manipulation, lies and psyops the government perpetrates on the country then nothing will wake you up. The public willingly believe lies because it's easier.

The officials actually get on TV  and write articles telling us they are lying to us and everyone still goes along with the charade.

All the definitions (death,cases,infection ...) are adopted to conform to a narrative and nudge public opinion.

Stop believing these people have your best interests at heart.

Socialists and communists always commit their crimes in the name of the greater good.

If they are lying to you they are not good guys, regardless of their political affiliations.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 18, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 17, 2020, 07:10:47 PM


In the last week there have been very incouraging reports of vaccines that look tremendously promising.   Last Friday on Tucker Carlson Dr. Siegel  spoke of one,  and he returned this week on TC  to tout another.   Just 10  minutes ago at the top of hour radio news another report on a promising vaccine.



So...  why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?

Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 18, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: Pb on July 18, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
So...  why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?

Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?

You're thinking of the Lewis and Clark America, or possibly the Apollo era America. Today's America doesn't take risks like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 18, 2020, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 18, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
You're thinking of the Lewis and Clark America, or possibly the Apollo era America. Today's America doesn't take risks like that.

This is the pump them full with estrogen era
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 18, 2020, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: Pb on July 18, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
So...  why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?

Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?


We have to drag it out until after the election, otherwise the economy might recover.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 18, 2020, 01:57:17 PM
With hospitals getting anywhere from $12k to over $400k subsidies (mid-April numbers) for each beer virus patient treated, I believe there is some incentive in the health care industry to keep this crisis alive.  And it's likely an incentive to pad the case count numbers, too.  In other words, follow the money.
Ironically, hospitals in states least affected by the beer virus usually receive larger subsidies.  The $12k/patient number listed above is for New York hospitals.  West Virginia was receiving $471k per patient.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID.  The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.

Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense.  I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 18, 2020, 03:11:02 PM
I saw this, but I am not if it means much other than more cases mean mask mandates are more likely as well as just people being concerned about catching it.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1284175434431643648?s=19

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJOnZFU8AE1hUi?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJOs5AUMAAnI8B?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 18, 2020, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID.  The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.

Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense.  I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.

Tinfoil hat conspiracy?  Seriously?  This is an industry well known for its shady, less than transparent billing practices.  Do you really think some hospitals would hesitate to milk federal funds, especially if they are "hemorrhaging cash" as you put it?  What's a few extra bogus COVID diagnoses if it brings in more cash from Uncle Sugar?
What you call tin foil level nonsense, I call reasonable suspicion.
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Post by: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 06:52:26 PM
It makes no sense because they'd make more money to hide COVID numbers and open back up to normal business.

That's why it's tin foil, because why would they lie to prolong a situation that is costing them millions of dollars?  If they were going to lie, they would lie to make more money.  Even WITH fed money healthcare around here is losing just a ton of money.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 18, 2020, 07:32:18 PM
None of this makes any sense.

The safest course is to not believe the official narrative because the government and healthcare officials have shown themselves to be liars.

I wish I had a competing narrative but I don't.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 18, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
 "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Post by: Jim147 on July 18, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
Anyone have stats for non profit and for profit hospitals? You also have the .gov dumping cash into the hospitals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 18, 2020, 09:18:38 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 06:52:26 PM
It makes no sense because they'd make more money to hide COVID numbers and open back up to normal business.

That's why it's tin foil, because why would they lie to prolong a situation that is costing them millions of dollars?  If they were going to lie, they would lie to make more money.  Even WITH fed money healthcare around here is losing just a ton of money.

You're overthinking it, dogmush.  The fed money is right in front of them, and inflating the counts brings in more.  It is something immediate, pretty much a sure bet, versus the feds allowing them to admit non-COVID patients at some nebulous point in the future.  Plus, it's additional monies on top of what they are getting from the COVID patients' insurance.
And if they are indeed hurting for revenue, wouldn't that be an even greater incentive to pad the COVID patient numbers to make up for as much of their financial shortfall as possible?
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Post by: TommyGunn on July 18, 2020, 11:15:23 PM
Quote from: Pb on July 18, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
So...  why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?

Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?

They're in development,  not ready yet.   

A supposed SARS  vaccine once killed every lab animal it was tested on.    Trust me,  you WANT  it tested on lab critters ...
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Post by: freakazoid on July 19, 2020, 05:19:56 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 17, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
What I've been reading is that "herd immunity" probably doesn't work at all for CV-19.

Doesn't this line of thought come from people coming back with positive cases after having already had it?
Aren't there reports that the tests aren't accurate?
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Post by: Hawkmoon on July 19, 2020, 08:16:59 AM
Quote from: freakazoid on July 19, 2020, 05:19:56 AM
Doesn't this line of thought come from people coming back with positive cases after having already had it?
Aren't there reports that the tests aren't accurate?

Don't know. COVID-19 is really uncharted territory, and probably more is unknown than is known. The bit about herd immunity not working and any immunity gained from infection only last a couple/few months has been pretty widely reported and discussed, but I wouldn't say the science is settled.
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Post by: cordex on July 19, 2020, 08:54:50 AM
People sometimes also get chicken pox and other viral infections to which we can develop immunity multiple times.
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Post by: fifth_column on July 19, 2020, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: Pb on July 18, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
So...  why don't we find 10,000 healthy young volunteers, pay them big $$$ each to take the shot and then expose them to the virus?

Why are we dragging out this nightmare with this incredibly slow "testing" process?

The fastest a vaccine was created was four years. There is some incredibly complex science involved in getting the correct immune response.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 19, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID.  The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.

Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense.  I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.

Speaking as someone who actually works in healthcare at an executive level, the above is true dat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 19, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Just a recap of contradictions ...

1-2 million will die from Covid-19! - Even with BS numbers it's barely over a 100k.

Hydroxychloroquine treatment isn't safe! - Hydroxychloroquine treatment has been used safely for decades as the most often used Malaria treatment.

Hydroxychloroquine treatment doesn't work! - Early use of Hydroxychloroquine treatment has been used all over the planet with positive results in combating Covid-19 infection.

The virus is not airborne – The virus is spread airborne!

Wearing a mask doesn't help – Wear a mask!

The virus survives and can be spread on surfaces – No cases of virus being spread from surfaces.

Stay inside! - Sunshine, fresh air and warm weather diminishes Corona-virus transmission.

Quarantine the public! - Historically during pandemics you quarantine the sick and most vulnerable.

No public gatherings, no Church, no Trump rallies, no beaches! - BLM, anti Trump and transgender protests are necessary!

Flatten the curve. - Lock-downs will continue until there is a vaccine!

We must do this to protect the most vulnerable. - We must allow infected individuals to be admitted into long term care facilities. (particularly in NY).

Six feet of social distance! - Three feet in Europe and none if you are a protester!

Believe the science! - Don't believe the scientists who disagree with the narrative!

Covid-19 infection destroys your sense of smell - Everyone must be infected because the smell of bullshit is overwhelming.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 19, 2020, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: dogmush on July 18, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Hospitals around here are hemorrhaging cash because of COVID.  The subsidies (whatever they end up being) don't even come close to covering the costs associated with shutting down large portions of the hospital and large swaths of available services to handle COVID.

Thinking that the "health care industry" is stretching this out to suck on sweet subsidy teats is tin foil level nonsense.  I promise they'd rather be back to charging folks for heart translants and ACL repairs so they could rehire the nurses and staff they've had to furlough.

I don't know where the truth is between "hospitals are making money off COVID" and "hospitals are going broke off COVID". It seems more of them are going broke, but it seems like both could be true at the same time...they could be hurting because of shutting down profit centers, while also milking the COVID subsidies, or at least taking advantage of them, if they exist.

About milking the COVID subsidies, I have two problems with this idea. First, I hear wildly different numbers about whether there are COVID subsidies at all, or how much they are. I ask 5 different people and they all heard the hospitals get between $3000 and 15,000 per patient. So how much is it, and why is the information not easy to find?

Second, no conspiracy-thinking is needed to believe that hospitals would "milk" COVID subsidies by over-treating COVID. Because hospitals over-treat at every opportunity; that's what they do, they treat, and they make money by treating. I'm not being excessively negative, but if you go to the hospital with a problem, and they have capacity for you, do not be surprised if they treat you for it.

I just watched a joint web conference of 3 local hospital systems about the current COVID situation in Idaho, which is taking off. It's not really a second wave, for Idaho it looks like the first wave. It looks like every state is going to eventually look like Texas and Florida, so you better get used to it. I suspect we didn't do ourselves any favors by locking down during the "first wave"; now that we are getting our true first wave in late Summer there is all this angst about whether kids can go to school or not. If we took the hit in May when kids were off school anyway we would be over it by now. Way to delay the first wave until potentially winter-time.

Back to hospitals over-treating for COVID, the doctors in the web conference all admitted that, aside from anti-inflammatory or steroid drugs, and aside from experimental procedures like the plasma treatments which are only available to a few people now, there is nothing that they can do to treat COVID. In the next sentence, they complained about how they were running short on (non-ICU) beds for COVID patients. So, if there is nothing they can do to treat it, why are they filling up the hospital with COVID patients? Probably because they have capacity for them, and they can bill for the beds. After all they can't bill for much else right now. It's not cynical, it's what's going to happen. The silver lining is the COVID patients won't run around spreading in the community if they are sitting in the hospital. But this is the problem when we hear that hospitals are "90% full". They are full of people who don't need to be there. If COVID numbers start to get real bad, like real-pandemic instead of political-pandemic bad, they will stop accepting patients that don't need intensive care.

I work with a French company and I stay informed on what's going on in France. Early on, in France they stopped testing anyone but the most severe cases. I know multiple people who got COVID and none of them got tested. The authorities also said if you have COVID, do NOT go to the hospital. Do not even go to the hospital to be tested. Do not go to the hospital unless you have certain severe symptoms. Otherwise STAY AT HOME. There is no point in you going to the hospital for a disease with no treatment. Currently, France's official case-rate is less than 10/100,000, and their case-fatality rate is 17%! Currently in the US, the case-rate is 124/100,00 and case-fatality rate is less than 4%. Obviously this difference is because the progression of the disease in the US is in an earlier stage, and also because the US is testing tons of people and admitting anyone to the hospital if they have a cough ("might as well charge for what we are able to charge for, ain't making any money off anything else right now"). Meanwhile Europe and the US-haters in the US point to the "terrible US response to the pandemic" when actually we are doing very well in comparison. We are testing more and treating more, and more people are getting care. Of course there are a lot of people who "want it to look bad" for political, schadenfreude, or other reasons who either don't know the picture or just ignore it, not surprisingly.

Although COVID is bad and is going to kill a lot of people, in hindsight, so far, if I can make an early call, I would say our public response should probably have been the same as every other viral disease, ever...wash your hands, stay at home if you are sick, isolate yourself if you are vulnerable, and, I would legitimately add, wear a mask in public situations where you can't maintain physical distance. That's basically what Japan did.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 19, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
Quote from: zahc on July 19, 2020, 11:15:43 AM

Back to hospitals over-treating for COVID, the doctors in the web conference all admitted that, aside from anti-inflammatory or steroid drugs, and aside from experimental procedures like the plasma treatments which are only available to a few people now, there is nothing that they can do to treat COVID. In the next sentence, they complained about how they were running short on (non-ICU) beds for COVID patients. So, if there is nothing they can do to treat it, why are they filling up the hospital with COVID patients? Probably because they have capacity for them, and they can bill for the beds. After all they can't bill for much else right now. It's not cynical, it's what's going to happen. The silver lining is the COVID patients won't run around spreading in the community if they are sitting in the hospital. But this is the problem when we hear that hospitals are "90% full". They are full of people who don't need to be there. If COVID numbers start to get real bad, like real-pandemic instead of political-pandemic bad, they will stop accepting patients that don't need intensive care.



I can only speak for the hospitals here in central FL that I have firsthand knowledge of, but that is not how we are doing it here.  First, we have huge billboards up stating don't go to the hospitals to get tested, they aren't testing centers.*  If you do go to the hospital to get tested, you will be billed for an ER visit, and if you didn't have emergent symptoms your insurance might not cover it.  There has been a fair amount of social media push covering this distinction as well.  If you do test positive for COVID and are sent to the hospital they are *very* quickly pushing you back home to quarantine unless you require supportive care or are high risk to go bad.  (supportive care generally means ICU care, although I have heard of a couple exceptions).  The average hospital admission for COVID is less than 24 hrs, before they push the patient back home with quarantine instructions.  They do make sure that you are able to stay quarantined (someone will drop off food, no in home old/immunocomprimised folks that can't be moved, etc).  But at least around here  we aren't filling up beds in the COVID wards with folks that could Netflix and Chill at home.  Again, YAMV (Your Area May Vary).

*Testing centers do exist in the area for folks that have confirmed exposure but no symptoms, or flu-like symptoms but aren't sure and don't need care.  But they are separate from hospitals. Anyone positive out of those centers are also given the "quarantine at home" protocol.  I know that confirmed positive cases are given to County Health officials as part of contact tracing, but I have no idea what quarantine enforcement looks like around here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 19, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
Posted in another forum I'm on, I trust the source

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I personally know a lab tech that took 3 tests in a sterile room and opened and immediately sealed them without touching anything......drumroll....you guesser it.....3 positive tests that never touched a person.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 19, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
Well, this mask thing is getting confusing. I had to do some shopping in Oregon today. Got to the Home Depot, where they had a big sign that stated, "Oregon law requires masks to be worn in public", so I put on my mask (I keep some of the Costco ones in both my vehicles now for just in case) and went in. Previously I had not worn a mask in HD, and I would say it was 50/50 for mask / non-mask wearers. Today it was around 90% mask wearers. If I had to stereotype the few people I saw with no masks,  I would say, "appliances on the porch, car on blocks on the front lawn, rednecks".

Next stop was down the street at the Tractor Supply. No sign, and another place where I hadn't worn a mask, but I put one on today and went in. Me and one of the employees were the only ones with masks on. None of the other employees or customers were wearing them. Maybe it was just me, but I felt like I was getting looks like I was a weirdo or something. On my way out, three guys came in wearing masks.

Anyway, interesting dynamic.

As zahc said, Idaho is suddenly spiking, with most cases being in three counties. It's big time spiking too. Previously, we were probably one of the ten lowest case states. Don't know where we are now, but it's hundreds of new cases a day, every day. My county is one of the three spiking, but it must all be on the side bordering Ada county (where Boise is, and pretty much in the Boise Metropolitan Statistical Area) because nobody around here is sick or worried about it.

I'll be curious to see how much of the spike is from protests, and by now maybe also 4th of July festivities. Also, I've been curious on if I've had the virus, but my insurance and medical facilities won't test me without life-threatening symptoms. They pretty much said, "Go to Walgreens".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 19, 2020, 02:51:52 PM
I'd be curious to know if I've had it also.

Work checks my temperature every day before I can start and asks a series of questions, one of which is "have you been tested for covid-19?".

Not sure what the reaction would be if I said yes.

With the crazy neurotic response my company has had so far I might be made to sit at home while I await results.

I guess I should ask what the protocol is in that scenario before I get checked out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 19, 2020, 02:57:33 PM
Question: "have you been tested for covid-19?"

Answer: That is protected HIPAA information and you have no "need to know".
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Post by: Blakenzy on July 19, 2020, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 19, 2020, 10:17:35 AM

Covid-19 infection destroys your sense of smell - Everyone must be infected because the smell of bullshit is overwhelming.

Nice one  =D
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Post by: RocketMan on July 19, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 19, 2020, 11:15:43 AM
[snip]

About milking the COVID subsidies, I have two problems with this idea. First, I hear wildly different numbers about whether there are COVID subsidies at all, or how much they are. I ask 5 different people and they all heard the hospitals get between $3000 and 15,000 per patient. So how much is it, and why is the information not easy to find?

[snip]

Found the info with a quick googling.  Well, duckduckgo.  Here (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html) is the best link that came up in a quick search.  The information is from mid-April, so new information may be available by now.

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Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 19, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
Between Dr and hospital the bill for my shoulder surgery last month was right at $120K before the insurance deductions whittled almost half of that away, so about $75K all said including Dr, hospital and anesthesiologist and a few other odds and ends.

According to Rocketman's link Oklahoma was getting $291K per COVID patient. I could see an incentive for less than scrupulous individuals to fudge the numbers. Particularly since they don't have the negotiated insurance prices to deal with.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 19, 2020, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 18, 2020, 11:15:23 PM
They're in development,  not ready yet.  

A supposed SARS  vaccine once killed every lab animal it was tested on.    Trust me,  you WANT  it tested on lab critters ...

Moderna already has a vaccine being tested on humans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/

Apparently, they are giving it to the subjects and just sitting around waiting to see if they get infect by the virus by random chance.

They need to expose subjects to the virus.

I'm not the only one saying so:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/scientists-call-for-volunteers-to-be-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-to-test-vaccines.html

Oh, and Ron is right again... as usual.

Whoever the gov officials involved in in telling the public not to wear masks, and to put infected people in nursing homes should be fired, if not prosecuted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 19, 2020, 10:39:58 PM
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents
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Post by: Hawkmoon on July 19, 2020, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: Pb on July 19, 2020, 09:36:09 PM

Whoever the gov officials involved in in telling the public not to wear masks, and to put infected people in nursing homes should be fired, if not prosecuted.


I won't hold my breath waiting for Governor Cuomo to prosecute himself. He's the genius who put the CV-19 patients into nursing homes in NY state.
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Post by: TommyGunn on July 20, 2020, 12:04:27 AM
Quote from: Pb on July 19, 2020, 09:36:09 PM
Moderna already has a vaccine being tested on humans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/

Apparently, they are giving it to the subjects and just sitting around waiting to see if they get infect by the virus by random chance.

They need to expose subjects to the virus.

I'm not the only one saying so:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/scientists-call-for-volunteers-to-be-exposed-to-the-coronavirus-to-test-vaccines.html

Oh, and Ron is right again... as usual.

Whoever the gov officials involved in in telling the public not to wear masks, and to put infected people in nursing homes should be fired, if not prosecuted.


"Being  tested on humans" = "in development."   Sorta really the same thing if you think about it .....  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 20, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 19, 2020, 10:39:58 PM
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents

I think Kentucky ought to deliver their food and toilet paper and other necessities to their house free of charge if they pull that ▪○●□■♤♡◇♧☆☆☆⊙°%%€£¥₩₩  stier-scheiss on them.
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Post by: K Frame on July 20, 2020, 07:13:21 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 19, 2020, 11:59:19 PM
I won't hold my breath waiting for Governor Cuomo to prosecute himself. He's the genius who put the CV-19 patients into nursing homes in NY state.


And it's all OK in New York, because Fauchi said last week that the state did everything right to keep the virus in check.

Who needs death panels for the elderly when you have a plague and a Democrat in the governor's office.
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Post by: charby on July 20, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
The dumbest thing I read today on Facebook, I wonder what meme or pundit educated this person. I'm going to guess that their last science class was as a HS sophomore and took "rocks for jocks" and "weather for communications  majors" in college. I really want to ask this Rhodes Scholar how has this worked out for HIV?

"Viruses run their course and are recognized as symbiotic organisms. They do not attempt to kill us, but to coexist in us. They generally mutate to less virulent strains so this completely makes sense. Any epidemiologist or member of the scientific community that refutes this is ignoring basic virology. It may be too early to have data, but a virus is a virus is a virus and we’ve studied the hell out of corona viruses."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 20, 2020, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: charby on July 20, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
The dumbest thing I read today on Facebook, I wonder what meme or pundit educated this person. I'm going to guess that their last science class was as a HS sophomore and took "rocks for jocks" and "weather for communications  majors" in college. I really want to ask this Rhodes Scholar how has this worked out for HIV?

"Viruses run their course and are recognized as symbiotic organisms. They do not attempt to kill us, but to coexist in us. They generally mutate to less virulent strains so this completely makes sense. Any epidemiologist or member of the scientific community that refutes this is ignoring basic virology. It may be too early to have data, but a virus is a virus is a virus and we’ve studied the hell out of corona viruses."

Some of that really isn't wrong.  It is true that they tend to mutate to less virulent strains.  The Spanish Flu did this,  but HIV  hasn't.  The two are different viruses and mutating to the less virulent is Not a rule,  just a generality. 
They're not symbiotic though, they're parasitical.  The last sentence is meaningless.  We won't have studied the hell out of Corona viruses until we know everything about them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 10:03:43 AM
"They do not attempt to kill us, but to coexist in us."

Killing us is just an added benefit...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 21, 2020, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 19, 2020, 10:39:58 PM
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents
So if they just cut the monitors off, would the police arrest them or just leave them in the house? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 19, 2020, 10:39:58 PM
While rioters in Portland get to run wild, a couple in Kentucky get ankle monitors to keep them from leaving their home because the wife has the virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-couple-house-arrest-ankle-monitors-coronavirus-quarantine-documents

So I read the article finally.

Folks test positive.  Public health officials meet with them and explain self-quarantine.  They are offered papers to sign agreeing to self quarantine guidelines that include either notification to or getting approval from (article is unclear, The same person says two different things), they refuse to sign papers, they are warned that refusal will escalate from just public health to Law enforcement, it does escalate, and Public Health officials get court order for ankle monitoring.  It is unclear if the original self quarantine restrictions (call/get approval to leave house) are still in play and the anklets are a notification device to Health folks.

The article does not say they are under house arrest, and doesn't have any quotes or input from the public health officials.

I'm conflicted.  Without seeing the self quarantine guidelines Mrs. Linscott was asked to sign I can't really judge their reasonableness.  It's not like they scooped her up and forced her to live out the rest of her life isolated on an island in the Hudson River.

The article and headline seemed designed to bring forth [self]righteous anger in the readers, but lack a ton of clarity and context.  Yes this disease, right now, isn't super scary or deadly, but I think modern humans forget that it really wasn't all that long ago that communicable diseases killed just a ton of folks regularly, and if anything COVID-19 has shown that modern humans aren't very good at stopping transmission of a disease.  SO there's a place in the world for governments to have some health powers to ensure cleanliness and enforce quarantines of sick individuals or groups.  Arguably this is EXACTLY what folks on this board have been arguing for during the lockdowns. i.e. quarantine sick folks and let the rest of us carry on.

So while the ankle monitors seem, at first blush, kinda extreme, they weren't the first option .gov tried, and what really are we supposed to be upset about?  Sick people being quarantined?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 11:33:41 AM
And 15 min later I managed to do my own journalism.  I am no longer conflicted.  Mrs. Linscott is a narcissistic attention whore that deserves what she gets.  She refused to participate in the less forcible, legal controls for her disease, then when they escalated farther than she wanted to play, she called a news agency she perceived to be sympathetic, and lied about what happened to play the victim.

So, a googleing led me to the Snopes page (yeah, I know, Snopes).  However, in this case, Snopes helpfully included a link to the actual court orders, which include the health department's affidavit and the self isolation agreement.  Yea for primary sources!

Snopes page: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kentucky-house-arrest-covid/

Court Order: https://www.snopes.com/uploads/2020/07/image07-20-2020-205848.pdf

OK, Mrs. Linscott, you said:
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My part was if I have to go to the ER, if I have to go to the hospital, I’m not going to wait to get the approval to go,” Linscott told the station.
 Seems reasonable on it's face.

The Self Isolation agreement says (end of Paragraph 2):
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In the event that my condition requires immediate medical assistance, I will notify the nearest emergency department and inform them of my novel coronavirus status before transport to that facility

So yes you are supposed to get health dept approval before heading out to the ER for the sniffles, but if you have a heart attack, just let the paramedics know before the ambulance gets there.  

The agreement does require her to stay at home and not work or travel without health department approval.  Pretty standard self isolation stuff for communicable diseases.  They also helpfully included the state and federal Executive Orders giving them the ability to do this.

But what really takes me to "*expletive deleted*ck this lady, her family, and her house" was the lying.  Mrs. Linscott told Fox news:

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Elizabeth Linscott said that although she never refused to self-quarantine, “that's exactly what the director of the public health department told the judge."

"I'm like, 'that's not the case at all. I never said that,” she said.
 

Yeah, you did.  And were quoted in the affidavit for the anklets.  You responded to the request to sign a self isolation agreement thusly:

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I will do my best to stay home, as I do every other time I get sick.  But I cannot comply to having to call the public health department everytime that I need to go out and do something.  It's my right and freedoms to go where I please and not have to answer to anyone for it.  There is no pandemic and with a survival rate of 99.9998%, I'm fine.  I will continue to avoid the elderly, just like PRIOR guidelines state, try to stay home, get rest, get medicine and get better.  I decline

Did you think they didn't keep your comments in doccusign when you sent it back?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 12:14:47 PM
So, essentially, a modern-day version of Typhoid Mary.

If you've never read up on Typhoid Mary, it's really interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 12:14:47 PM
So, essentially, a modern-day version of Typhoid Mary.

If you've never read up on Typhoid Mary, it's really interesting.

Except this will be over in two weeks.

That was what I was referencing in my first post, although it appears my NYC geography is lacking because North Brother Island is in the East River, not the Hudson.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave.

Honestly, I'm thinking this would be one of those hills I might die on. I'm really not sure that I would sign it. Maybe if the government agreed to fulfill my every need and I had a gov flunky I could call to do errands for me and bring me pizza and stuff.

Plus they're demanding this because she tested positive for the virus. For all I know, the sore throat and crappy feeling I had a few weeks ago was the virus. Who knows, since the doctor's office and state website said that I don't meet the criteria for a test. I was out and about and all over the place, because I'm not quarantining myself for two weeks everytime I get a sore throat or cough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 21, 2020, 12:38:40 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID.  This is generally done for a couple of reasons:

1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.

There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly.  This was before such behavior was criminalized.  I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of HIV+ being trampled and having to sign government agreements.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 21, 2020, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID.  This is generally done for a couple of reasons:

1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.

There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly.  This was before such behavior was criminalized.  I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of the gays being trampled and having to sign government agreements.

I've got to say, I've got no problem with enforcing quarantine on someone actually tested positive for coronavirus.

That's kind of the issue. We've been quarantining EVERYONE, rather than the actually sick and at risk population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 21, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID.  This is generally done for a couple of reasons:

1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.

There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly.  This was before such behavior was criminalized.  I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of HIV+ being trampled and having to sign government agreements.

Seems to me covid19 is slightly less lethal than HIV..... :police:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 21, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
Seems to me covid19 is slightly less lethal than HIV..... :police:

Actually no.  We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else.  You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
Actually no.  We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else.  You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.

Millcreek, you were speaking about HIV "a few decades back", which makes it an apples to oranges comparison to COVID currently.  A few decades ago, HIV was pretty much a death sentence for those that contracted it.  COVID has a survival rate in excess of 99.4% at this point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 21, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
Actually no.  We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else.  You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.

I thought HIV led to the patient dying from whatever disease came along when they had no immune system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 21, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
Except this will be over in two weeks.

That was what I was referencing in my first post, although it appears my NYC geography is lacking because North Brother Island is in the East River, not the Hudson.

OK, I missed your reference to TM...

And yes, it SHOULD be over in a couple of weeks, but the length of time is immaterial -- it's the liklihood of transmission of a potentially fatal illness and the individual's unwillingness to comply that are the issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 01:30:14 PM
"COVID has a survival rate in excess of 99.4% at this point."

Among the generally healthy non-elderly population.

A LOT worse in the elderly population or those with significant underlying conditions.

Of course, if you're all for Affordable Healthcare Act Death Panels, all's good...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
"I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave."

World would be a great place if we could take people at their word and they would actually follow through with it.

But you know, the world is populated with aholes and morons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 21, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
Actually no.  We have very good treatment for HIV now and the death rate from HIV is very low and the majority of HIV+ persons die of something else.  You cannot necessarily make the same statements (at this time) for COVID.

Back in the 1980s  HIV   was a death sentence.    It would be now save for those "very good treatment(s)." 
Covid19  is generally very survivable if you don't have  co-morbidities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 21, 2020, 02:06:55 PM
More shenanigans from the Iowa Governor.

https://www.kcci.com/article/dubuque-county-says-governors-office-has-limited-coronavirus-testing-there/33380466
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 21, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
"I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave."

World would be a great place if we could take people at their word and they would actually follow through with it.

But you know, the world is populated with aholes and morons.

Reading between the lines of what the woman wrote (as opposed to what she told the media), it seems her attitude was essentially, "I'll stay at home unless I want to go out somewhere." IMHO, that's a rather odd definition of "self-quarantine."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 21, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
Reading between the lines of what the woman wrote (as opposed to what she told the media), it seems her attitude was essentially, "I'll stay at home unless I want to go out somewhere." IMHO, that's a rather odd definition of "self-quarantine."

As I said, aholes and morons.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 04:01:48 PM
So we just had our weekly briefing with the state Department of Health, and they want all the healthcare facilities in Washington to start beating the drum now for encouraging flu shots.  They, as well as the Feds, think this is going to be a big flu season this year, and if that is superimposed on top of COVID, it won't be pretty.  The vaccine is already out for this year's projected flu strains.  One of the biggest problems is going to be testing supplies. There are already shortages of swabs, saline media, universal transport media and various reagents to run the tests.  We don't have enough domestic manufacturing capacity, and .gov thinks we cannot rely on the just-in-time delivery and inventory models from offshore countries.  It is time to start the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 04:13:12 PM
BS, man! The "flu vaccine" is nothing more than mind control!

Combine that with masks, and we'll be government drones, pure and simple!

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Good luck with that, Millcreek.  I'd bet money the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc. would quickly devolve into APS Distilling, Ammunition and Tobacco, Inc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 21, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 04:01:48 PM
So we just had our weekly briefing with the state Department of Health, and they want all the healthcare facilities in Washington to start beating the drum now for encouraging flu shots.  They, as well as the Feds, think this is going to be a big flu season this year, and if that is superimposed on top of COVID, it won't be pretty.  The vaccine is already out for this year's projected flu strains.  One of the biggest problems is going to be testing supplies. There are already shortages of swabs, saline media, universal transport media and various reagents to run the tests.  We don't have enough domestic manufacturing capacity, and .gov thinks we cannot rely on the just-in-time delivery and inventory models from offshore countries.  It is time to start the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc.

By watching the news it would appear the COVID virus has completely eliminated flu deaths. as well as pneumonia, heart disease and other "normal" causes of deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 05:09:31 PM
It has raised the died unexpectedly in the home by quite a bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 21, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
"I guess my problem is the government demanding I sign an agreement instead of not taking my word that I'll stay home or make the proper contacts or use safe protocols if there is a legitimate reason to leave."

World would be a great place if we could take people at their word and they would actually follow through with it.

But you know, the world is populated with aholes and morons.
Yeah, and some of them work in the medical field and put ankle monitors on people who committed no crime.

Do they do that for the flu also?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 21, 2020, 05:36:48 PM
Don't you and Ben have a hill to die on?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 05:37:26 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Good luck with that, Millcreek.  I'd bet money the APS Lab and PPE Manufacturing, Inc. would quickly devolve into APS Distilling, Ammunition and Tobacco, Inc.

So either way we will be ready for the Apocalypse.....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
I thought we were ready and looking forward to it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 05:36:48 PM
Don't you and Ben have a hill to die on?

I'm sitting here on the hill waiting for other people to show up. I brought whiskey and cigars.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 21, 2020, 05:36:48 PM
Don't you and Ben have a hill to die on?

Quote from: Ben on July 21, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
I'm sitting here on the hill waiting for other people to show up. I brought whiskey and cigars.  =D

Might as well enjoy some good vices before croaking on your hill.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 21, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
Conspiracy Bro that I work with gets very cranky at the thought of taking the (hypothetical, hypodermical) COVID vaccine. He was anti-vax before, but now - ugh. Apparently there's a line of "thought" that says Bill Gates is behind all of this, and he just wants to make billions on a vaccine. Conspiracy Bro brings up Gates at every opportunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 08:27:46 PM
I hear that the vaccine will have nanotrackers allowing us to be tracked at great distances by Fed drones.  Probably with Hellfires on them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 21, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
According to the X-Files, (they are as reliable as any other news source) the government took DNA samples and is tracking us via our smallpox vaccinations.  But only boomers and older (and maybe the military; not sure about that) have been vaccinated against smallpox, so the COVID vaccine will be round 2.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 21, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
According to the X-Files, (they are as reliable as any other news source) the government took DNA samples and is tracking us via our smallpox vaccinations.  But only boomers and older (and maybe the military; not sure about that) have been vaccinated against smallpox, so the COVID vaccine will be round 2.

Injecting RFID chips   [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on July 21, 2020, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
So from my frequent interactions with County Health over the years, written agreements regarding self-quarantine or self-reporting are the standard of care, and have been used for decades before COVID.  This is generally done for a couple of reasons:

1. The average person is more likely to follow an agreement that they have signed.
2. If you fail to comply with the requirements, the Courts like to see a written agreement before they impose sanctions.

There was a lot of hullabaloo a few decades back when County Health all over the country was asking/requiring HIV+ persons to notify potential sexual partners of their + status and to sign an agreement accordingly.  This was before such behavior was criminalized.  I don't recall the MAGA crowd getting worked up back then over the 'my rights' of HIV+ being trampled and having to sign government agreements.


Wait wait wait..  Back this truck up.  You really just compared a fairly virulent form of the flu with what is basically an elective disease passed around by promiscuous degenerates?  Really?  ;/

Big difference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 21, 2020, 10:53:50 PM
 [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 10:56:22 PM
We are seven and a half months into the year and you still have popcorn. Should have bought more TP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-data-states-cdc.html

This would be a very big help: a call to standardize how COVID data is collected and coded across the country.  Then we can be comparing apples to apples.  I hope that the CDC goes ahead with this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 21, 2020, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 21, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-data-states-cdc.html

This would be a very big help: a call to standardize how COVID data is collected and coded across the country.  Then we can be comparing apples to apples.  I hope that the CDC goes ahead with this.

Absolutely this.  We would definitely see more believable numbers.  It might even help to sift out bogus or fraudulent stats to a some degree.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 10:56:22 PM
We are seven and a half months into the year and you still have popcorn. Should have bought more TP.

Corn husks have certain uses
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 21, 2020, 11:05:44 PM
You think that is funny but 15 feet behind me is and old outhouse with corncobs on the floor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
Cobs is what I mean to say. Although wouldn't husks work as well?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 21, 2020, 11:45:29 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
Cobs is what I mean to say. Although wouldn't husks work as well?

Coming from someone that spends most of their summer in corn and soybean fields, green husks will work in a pinch.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on July 22, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
Quote from: WLJ on July 21, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
Cobs is what I mean to say.

Cobs?  Used in a swiping motion or reaming motion?  Asking for a friend. :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 22, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on July 22, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
Cobs?  Used in a swiping motion or reaming motion?  Asking for a friend. :rofl:

What ever floats your boat, we're not here to judge.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 22, 2020, 09:06:24 AM
My uncle told me he always used the Sears's catalog. He just wasn't sure about those cobs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 22, 2020, 10:02:04 AM
 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: AJ Dual on July 22, 2020, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on July 22, 2020, 07:17:21 AM
Cobs?  Used in a swiping motion or reaming motion?  Asking for a friend. :rofl:

The outhouse will have two buckets of cobs. A bigger one of brown/red cobs, and then a smaller bucket of white cobs.

The main wiping is done with the brown/red cobs, and you should only need one white cob as the "checker cob".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 22, 2020, 08:24:27 PM
Went to pick up an order at Primary Arms today because I didn't want to wait for it.  They had signs posted at each parking spot outside to text them your order number and parking spot number.  They brought out my order in about 10 or 15 minutes. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 22, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
Primary Arms sells corn cobs? You know you can get them for free right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 22, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 22, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
Primary Arms sells corn cobs? You know you can get them for free right?
No, it was a side rail mount for a corn cob.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 22, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 22, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
No, it was a side rail mount for a corn cob.

I know what I'm going to do tomorrow.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on July 22, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 22, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
I know what I'm going to do tomorrow.  =D

Don't ask, don't tell.   :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 22, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 23, 2020, 10:25:39 AM
My aunt and uncle must have been wealthy. The outhouse on their 285 year old farm had toilet paper on a real toilet paper holder! The bucket didn't have corn cobs, either. It was full of lime and and had a metal scoop, too! :cool:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 24, 2020, 03:50:44 PM
Interesting video of someone in Argentina demonstrating the effectiveness of different masks using a can of deodorant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cTOUNwb5Fc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cTOUNwb5Fc)

I haven't tried it for myself, but I'm not surprised at the results.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
Excellent dissent to the SC ruling on attending church. Really, substitute any number of things for "church" and it applies as well. This seems to be a clear case of picking and choosing, and what the hell is going on with Roberts?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/25/nailed-it-neil-gorsuchs-1-paragraph-dissent-ripping-john-roberts-scotus-liberals-ruling-on-nevada-church-restrictions-speaks-volumes/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 25, 2020, 11:10:46 AM
Every "WTF?" decision Roberts makes that comes down on the wrong side of liberty increases my belief that he has been compromised in some manner.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 25, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
Finally got tested yesterday, 50 miles from my home only open MWF from 1-3pm, need to make an appointment first.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 25, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: charby on July 25, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
Finally got tested yesterday, 50 miles from my home only open MWF from 1-3pm, need to make an appointment first.

Is that the "Do I have it?" test, or the "Did I have it" test? A few weeks ago I wanted to do the former, but still want to do the latter. Idaho has been kinda sucky for test availability. They are still very much into "health/life threatening only". To me, it's just as important to have tests for asymptomatic people widely available.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 25, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 25, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
Is that the "Do I have it?" test, or the "Did I have it" test? A few weeks ago I wanted to do the former, but still want to do the latter. Idaho has been kinda sucky for test availability. They are still very much into "health/life threatening only". To me, it's just as important to have tests for asymptomatic people widely available.

Nasal swab, so it's the do I have it. I haven't seen any antibody testing available via public health. Probably take 3 months to get that test via appointment with my GP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 25, 2020, 09:51:29 PM
There are a lot of folks pretending to be allies to the right everywhere, not just on the Supreme Court or in politics.

Everywhere.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 26, 2020, 08:47:09 PM
My test results came back negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 26, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: charby on July 26, 2020, 08:47:09 PM
My test results came back negative.

I meant ask, are/were you having symptoms?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 26, 2020, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 26, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
I meant ask, are/were you having symptoms?

No, just been traveling the state for work and my town is a current hot spot. I'll probably try to get tested every week if I  can.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 27, 2020, 01:19:29 AM
Quote from: charby on July 26, 2020, 09:06:16 PM
No, just been traveling the state for work and my town is a current hot spot. I'll probably try to get tested every week if I  can.

Admit it; you just like having a nurse shove a pipe cleaner up your nose :)  Is she cute?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 27, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 27, 2020, 01:19:29 AM
Admit it; you just like having a nurse shove a pipe cleaner up your nose :)  Is she cute?

I don't like things shoved in my nose or other body orifices. I wouldn't of kicked this lady nurse out of bed for eating crackers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 27, 2020, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 25, 2020, 11:10:46 AM
Every "WTF?" decision Roberts makes that comes down on the wrong side of liberty increases my belief that he has been compromised in some manner.

I don't know if it is true, but I read that GWB picked Roberts just to rubber stamp his war on terror laws.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 28, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Censored by big tech? Say it ain't so

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 28, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Censored by big tech? Say it ain't so

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

Twitter is apparently actively censoring anything positive about Hydroxychloroquine, while highlighting anything negative about it. They just suspended Trump Jr for posting a positive video on it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 28, 2020, 10:03:09 PM
Any reaction to Covid 1984 other than fear, neurotic panic or lurching towards totalitarianism is just not tolerated.

Censoring every and all dissenting voices in social media is doing nothing to dissuade me that we are being purposefully manipulated.

Government officials are scaring people away from using a drug that has decades of safe use ...  by talking about its dangers.

Doctors across the planet say it helps if started early in the infection.

That message is censored by ALL mainstream media.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 29, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
I read yet another article just yesterday that proclaimed hydrochloroquine to be useless against COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 29, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 29, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
I read yet another article just yesterday that proclaimed hydrochloroquine to be useless against COVID-19.

THAT kind of misinformation is fine.

Anything that scares people away from a potential treatment is good propaganda. Anything that makes people have hope for a potential treatment is BAD propaganda. Because Orangemanbad must be defeated.

Duh.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 29, 2020, 09:56:58 AM
I'm actually kind of surprised this one is still available:

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 11:13:53 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/29/895152258/data-analysis-covid-19-is-filling-up-hospitals-in-small-cities?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1VAg3cDmoe-TmCgugHJlBFN8W3l00bXeefifuRzOOwuL5sTmxCaQZHlAw&fbclid=IwAR2MCcrvy5nF4AIAvLp7srIErMXlpuTPRx_S3hAJRFHa8nZgLlCiDL9WB60

Uh oh, Ben, it is coming for you!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 29, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 11:13:53 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/29/895152258/data-analysis-covid-19-is-filling-up-hospitals-in-small-cities?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1VAg3cDmoe-TmCgugHJlBFN8W3l00bXeefifuRzOOwuL5sTmxCaQZHlAw&fbclid=IwAR2MCcrvy5nF4AIAvLp7srIErMXlpuTPRx_S3hAJRFHa8nZgLlCiDL9WB60

Uh oh, Ben, it is coming for you!

Heh. I still haven't seen any cases in my area, but Boise and vicinity is apparently now a hotspot. Kind of interesting, because they are big mask nazis there from what I have seen. You would think some place like CDA and the panhandle would be hotspots, because they are antimask nazis.

Apparently last week, Idaho had more cases in that week than we did the first few months of the virus. Many more younger people. Mutation, parties, protests, who knows?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 12:39:17 PM
^^^In my county and others in Western Washington, our recent big spikes have been due to younger people contracting it at social gatherings.  They are going to parties and not maintaining social distancing or masking.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 29, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
From a friend here in WI:

Quote
My daughter's friend went to the local Hospital (Aurora Lakeland) to be tested for COVID-19. He got tired of waiting around and left before he could be tested. A few days later he got his results in the mail that said he was tested positive,

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 29, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.

That's one way of expressing it ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on July 29, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 29, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
From a friend here in WI:

Quote
My daughter's friend went to the local Hospital (Aurora Lakeland) to be tested for COVID-19. He got tired of waiting around and left before he could be tested. A few days later he got his results in the mail that said he was tested positive,

 :facepalm:

How could he test positive if he left before being tested?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 29, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
From a friend here in WI:

 :facepalm:

Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 29, 2020, 10:36:51 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html


Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.

Is naivete a symptom?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on July 29, 2020, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.



 [popcorn]

Yup, no politicization of the Corona virus to be found anywhere..
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 29, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.



I've heard similar stories about different people in Iowa, nurses submitting used tests, etc and coming back positive. I think it's about as true as Elvis being alive and living in rural Iowa.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 29, 2020, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Is it possible he was telling the truth?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
Maybe because all the numbers are demonstrably bullshit?

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice. You cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear? Fear is how governments control their people.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 29, 2020, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: charby on July 29, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
I've heard similar stories about different people in Iowa, nurses submitting used tests, etc and coming back positive. I think it about as true as Elvis being alive and living in rural Iowa.

It's a conspiracy!

Everyone other than the media is lying ;)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 29, 2020, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.



I can never tell if you are trying to be sarcastic or if you are trolling or if you are really just that *expletive deleted*ing stupid and arrogant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 29, 2020, 11:26:56 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

I'd believe him over you on any day that ends in Y
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 30, 2020, 12:48:04 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.

"The Government" is a group of people, not all of whom have the same goal in mind. Of course, in the U.S., we even have many different governments.

Why would they whip up fear? A good question, but it's impossible to pretend it would be out of the question. See, for example, left-wing hysteria over any number of issues: reversal of net neutrality, lowering of tax rates, voter ID laws, alleged white supremacy and "systemic racism," Russian influence over our elections or the POTUS, police killings of black Americans, and absurd allegations against Donald Trump too numerous to list (not to be confused with his actual failings).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:51:02 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 29, 2020, 11:23:25 PM
I can never tell if you are trying to be sarcastic or if you are trolling or if you are really just that *expletive deleted*ing stupid and arrogant.

Maybe try articulating a response - how do Governments benefit from this???? I’m asking the question seriously. Presumably they want new structural powers and more of your tax dollars. COVID response has only highlighted the weakness of Government powers and has definitely impacted revenue sources of all kinds. For a government that many on this board have accused of being globalist, it’s weird to fan the flames of a thing that seriously damages international trade.

I think if you try to actually articulate a response you’ll have some more questions yourself.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 29, 2020, 10:54:05 PM

Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?
Is it possible he was telling the truth?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.
Maybe because all the numbers are demonstrably bullshit?

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice. You cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear? Fear is how governments control their people.





Let me ask you this - what’s a medical source whose opinion you would trust on COVID, and why would you trust that source over the CDC or media interviews with hospital ICU directors?

How does fear of COVID in particular enhance government power?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 02:02:49 AM
Quote from: charby on July 29, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
I've heard similar stories about different people in Iowa, nurses submitting used tests, etc and coming back positive. I think it's about as true as Elvis being alive and living in rural Iowa.

The left have been saying Elvis is dead for years because with his popularity and support for Trump, they know how many voters he’d bring along. Just look at the total media blackout on his concert at Trump’s inaguartion!

He’s spoken out recently about masks, hydroxychloroquine, and in defence of confederate monuments which is why the media continue to deny his living words.
 =D

TBH some of the COVID theories I read are less realistic

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 30, 2020, 05:46:24 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:51:02 AM
Maybe try articulating a response - how do Governments benefit from this???? I’m asking the question seriously. Presumably they want new structural powers and more of your tax dollars. COVID response has only highlighted the weakness of Government powers and has definitely impacted revenue sources of all kinds.
Could you read this back to yourself?
I am not on board the “rona is a fake news plandemic!” train, but are you seriously saying you can’t conceive how a government might use a demonstration that it’s current authority is insufficient to show that it should have more authority?  And when in living memory have politicians worried about where money comes from?  In this country we finance our government on the backs of our grandchildren, sir.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 30, 2020, 06:45:32 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.

From the link:

Quote
Despite some early studies raising hopes that the drug could be used to cure coronavirus, one subsequent larger scale trial has shown it is not effective as a treatment.

It just strikes me that this is another example of the valid conclusion that "there is no statistically significant difference*" in the study being mis-translated as "there is no difference."

The latter does not follow from the former.

There may well be a difference between the treated and untreated groups, just not quite enough to show up at the "customary" confidence levels of P<.05 or P<.01.

That is, there may actually be a difference, just not big enough to show up at the scientifically conservative ".05" or ".01" probability levels.

In other words, "It may work for some, but not everybody, and we won't lay bets on that."

Terry, 230RN

* Meaning there is no difference beyond what we would expect by chance at the pre-chosen probability levels between treated and untreated groups.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 30, 2020, 07:23:11 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 29, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

Dr. Stella Immanuel has some interesting personal and clinical opinions.

Oh, NOW it's ok to mock the beliefs of those "ignorant savages" in Africa? It's not racist in this case?



As for the effectiveness of HCQ+AZ+zinc, I'll go with the epidemiologist from Yale:

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

His article (and the published work it's based on) lays out the reason those "significant trials" that "disprove" the effectiveness of HCQ are mistaken. Mainly, the trials were either done with late stage disease (too late for an antiviral to be effective) or were done with HCQ alone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 08:23:17 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:54:06 AM

How does fear of COVID in particular enhance government power?

A sizeable percentage of US economic activity was/has been shut down by state and local government fiat. They obeyed.

A sizeable percentage of the population were commanded by state and local government fiat to not leave their homes except to gather essentials. They obeyed.

A sizeable percentage of the population were commanded by state and local fiat to not gather in groups and to always maintain "social distance". They obeyed.

Wear your damn mask by government fiat. They obeyed.

This was all done with nary a whimper from the population due to the 24/7 FEAR campaign.

Fear is possibly the most powerful tool that can be used to get folks to do that which they otherwise wouldn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 30, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
How does fear of COVID in particular enhance government power?

ORANGEMANBAD must be defeated!

That, combined with an entire ruling class terrified of type I errors (which would mean people die of coronavirus and the ruling class would be blamed for that) and not caring at all about type II errors (which would mean even more people are dying of the reaction to the coronavirus- from lack of medical care, dispair deaths, etc...- where the deaths are far more likely to go under the radar and the ruling class is unlikely to be blamed) we have a MASSIVELY risk averse overclass about one set of risks but completely unconcerned about a different set of risks.

That leads to stupidity like SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY over a disease the appears to be more dangerous than the flu, but not greatly so, and is, in fact, LESS dangerous than the flu for younger people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
Let me ask you this - what’s a medical source whose opinion you would trust on COVID, and why would you trust that source over the CDC or media interviews with hospital ICU directors?
All of our sources of information are pumping out BS 24/7.

We have no way of knowing the truth of these matters except at a local level, by anecdotal evidence, from those within our circle of acquaintances.

Who/what is attacked by the Masters of the current Narrative can be a useful guide by believing the opposite of what they say. Although that's how they've controlled the right wing for years so it is a less than perfect tool.

My local intel, being in the shadow of Chicago and five miles from one of our first hot spots, is that it is a nasty bug that will put the hurt on those susceptible to it due to comorbitities or other less understood reasons. My intel comes from circles that include police, nurses, doctors, folks who are closer to the "front lines" here.

There is great hesitation on their part to contradict the FEAR narrative. Their actions show compliance to the narrative but they also show observable levels of less fear and less neurotic behavior. Oftentimes they will talk down the risk (we overreacted) but then reinforce the narrative by saying it can't hurt to be extra careful etc...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 30, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
All of our sources of information are pumping out BS 24/7.

We have no way of knowing the truth of these matters except at a local level, by anecdotal evidence, from those within our circle of acquaintances.

Who/what is attacked by the Masters of the current Narrative can be a useful guide by believing the opposite of what they say. Although that's how they've controlled the right wing for years so it is a less than perfect tool.

My local intel, being in the shadow of Chicago and five miles from one of our first hot spots, is that it is a nasty bug that will put the hurt on those susceptible to it due to comorbitities or other less understood reasons. My intel comes from circles that include police, nurses, doctors, folks who are closer to the "front lines" here. There is great hesitation on their part to contradict the FEAR narrative and their actions show compliance to the narrative but they also show observable levels of less fear and less neurotic behavior.

  

  

This is tantamount to saying that rumours and Facebook posts by people you know are better quality info than scientific studies - and even then you acknowledge the first hand narratives say this is a nasty bug.

It’s killed more people by any measure than an average flu year already, there’s good evidence it does serious damage to many more, and the infection rate is whatever else many orders of magnitude higher than SARS or MERS.

I guess you won’t be laughing at articles about Saudi Arabians thinking that pigeons are spies or about other random folk beliefs - those things come from firsthand accounts over any sort of reliance on scientific, peer reviewed and published sources just the same as folk beliefs about COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: makattak on July 30, 2020, 08:39:59 AM
ORANGEMANBAD must be defeated!

That, combined with an entire ruling class terrified of type I errors (which would mean people die of coronavirus and the ruling class would be blamed for that) and not caring at all about type II errors (which would mean even more people are dying of the reaction to the coronavirus- from lack of medical care, dispair deaths, etc...- where the deaths are far more likely to go under the radar and the ruling class is unlikely to be blamed) we have a MASSIVELY risk averse overclass about one set of risks but completely unconcerned about a different set of risks.

That leads to stupidity like SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY over a disease the appears to be more dangerous than the flu, but not greatly so, and is, in fact, LESS dangerous than the flu for younger people.

Question - if you don’t believe any statistics about the disease, how did you conclude it’s less dangerous than the flu, and therefore that government policy is just conservative?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:16:04 AM
This is tantamount to saying that rumours and Facebook posts by people you know are better quality info than scientific studies - and even then you acknowledge the first hand narratives say this is a nasty bug.

It’s killed more people by any measure than an average flu test already, there’s good evidence it does serious damage to many more, and the infection rate is whatever else many orders of magnitude higher than SARS or MERS.

I guess you won’t be laughing at articles about Saudi Arabians thinking that pigeons are spies or about other random folk beliefs - those things come from firsthand accounts over any sort of reliance on scientific, peer reviewed and published sources just the same as folk beliefs about COVID.

After all these years your rhetoric hasn't gotten any better, your arguments are always arguments with your own feeble constructs.

The organizations, scientific studies etc you reference have demonstrably lied to us over and over as well as promoted models that were designed to scare the hell out of people, more lies.

The numbers are all lies (death, cases etc), also demonstrably provable.

Now we can discuss just how much they are lying to us. Some here think they are only lying to us a little, others think they are telling us big whoppers. We can discuss why they are lying to us, for our own good or nefarious reasons.

I personally just take the word of liars for what it's worth ... others willingly believe lies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:43:01 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 30, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
After all these years your rhetoric hasn't gotten any better, your arguments are always arguments with your own feeble constructs.

The organizations, scientific studies etc you reference have demonstrably lied to us over and over as well as promoted models that were designed to scare the hell out of people, more lies.

The numbers are all lies (death, cases etc), also demonstrably provable.

Now we can discuss just how much they are lying to us. Some here think they are only lying to us a little, others think they are telling us big whoppers. We can discuss why they are lying to us, for our own good or nefarious reasons.

I personally just take the word of liars for what it's worth ... others willingly believe lies.

How did you come to see that the “institutions” demonstrably lied if there’s no reliable information being reported? Did you decide that the CDC was full of crap based on what your friends sent you on FB? Or by “demonstrably” are you referring to some evidence that was reported which you actually find credible?

Genuinely curious to know - what information was reliable enough to convince you that the CDC and WHO science on COVID is at least partly lies and again, if the numbers are all fake, how’d you get enough of a number to rate COVID compared to flu or to evaluate the regulatory response???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on July 30, 2020, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 01:51:02 AM
Maybe try articulating a response - how do Governments benefit from this????

Most people in the government hate Trump.  This virus crises has been a spectacularly effective way of tanking his approval. 

Who knows if this is their primary motivation for terrifying the entire country or just happy accident?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on July 30, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Deleted as off-topic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 30, 2020, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 29, 2020, 11:23:25 PM
I can never tell if you are trying to be sarcastic or if you are trolling or if you are really just that *expletive deleted*ing stupid and arrogant.

Even if he's trolling, the first question is a good one.  Don't fully trust anybody, even if they are saying what you want to hear.

"Everybody lies" -- Dr. House ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:43:01 AM
How did you come to see that the “institutions” demonstrably lied if there’s no reliable information being reported? Did you decide that the CDC was full of crap based on what your friends sent you on FB? Or by “demonstrably” are you referring to some evidence that was reported which you actually find credible?

Genuinely curious to know - what information was reliable enough to convince you that the CDC and WHO science on COVID is at least partly lies and again, if the numbers are all fake, how’d you get enough of a number to rate COVID compared to flu or to evaluate the regulatory response???
I listened to the actual people in charge describe what constitutes a reported Covid 19 death. Dying with Covid 19 is coded as dying by Covid 19.

There has also been admission that when they use the word "cases" they no longer mean active infections but positive reaction to the test.

The list can go on and on. How many times to they have to get caught in BS?

The lying weasel Fauci mask off/mask on advice, promoting bad models, puppeting lies from the WHO about airborn transmission.

When the experts are continually changing their tune it is less than confidence inspiring.

When the experts have financial conflict of interests it is less than confidence inspiring.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.

Probably because the lockdown has cost 40 million (40,000,000) jobs,  cut the GDP 32.9%  and spiked a serious increase in suicides.  The cost of panicking because THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN!!!! will kill us all so we all have to shut the world down only shifts around the deaths.  
Your own hyperbole is revealing.  "Killed and left injured  a staggering number of people ... "  Wow.   Yes.  Okay,  4 million cases in America,  and 150,000 dead.   About a .5%  mortality rate which is horrible if it's family or friend. Are you a tv news writer?  Is it you that feeds words into the teleprompter the tv talking-head myrmidons mutter?  
Yes,  it's a PANDEMIC.   We had one 100 years ago and did not shut down the economy.  We've had several epidemics since and did not shut down.  We typically quarantined the sick and exposed but kept everyone else going.
If the government isn't "politicizing" advice why is it  repressing hydroxycoquiline?   Many doctors have and are still using it with good effect.  It is not a cure,  it's a treatment,  but the dot gov is SAYING  it's not a cure, as if it's proponents are claiming it is, and trying to prohibit or suppress it's use.


Sorry.  This is a real epidemic;  the covid19 virus really exists and it transmits like a laser.  But this is also one of the most politicized diseases ever,  and if you can't see that,  you are blinder than any bat,  ever.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 30, 2020, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 09:18:31 AM
Question - if you don’t believe any statistics about the disease, how did you conclude it’s less dangerous than the flu, and therefore that government policy is just conservative?

Impressive response, counselor.

Start with a nonsequitor argument made by people other than the interlocutor, AND exaggerate the argument such that I have to take time to try to both correct the mistaken characterization of the argument AND note that I was not the originator of that argument.

It would prevent most people from continuing down their own line of argumentation and get them distracted into the weeds.

NEXT, you also mischaracterize my own words such that when I actually said "is more dangerous than the flu" you state it as "less dangerous than the flu", once again getting my argument bogged down in correcting falsehoods.

THEN, you don't really address my argument at all that the government is causing more deaths and damage by overreaction than are being caused by the virus and dismiss that argument as the government "being conservative."

All in all, impressive obfuscation and misdirection. I'm sure it's very useful in court, but none of it really dealt with my argument that the government is both inept and corrupt.

Also, look at how much time and space I required to address your single sentence. Again, impressive sophisty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 30, 2020, 11:15:54 AM
Ron:

How many people in the US do you think have died from COVID 19 so far?

I agree with you that the admissions that the death with COVID counts as death from COVID throw a very dubious light on just pulling the number off the Johns Hopkins page and running with it.  COVID was definitely politicized, and it seems self evident at this point that the numbers are inflated some places and deflated in some places.

So, genuinely curious, what do you think the number is, and how did you come to that number?  If we are to act as adults and make our own risk management decisions you have to, at some point, believe something.

I would ask, in the spirit of a discussion board, that instead of just repeating that the numbers are BS, offer some other number and compelling evidence why your information is better as the basis for a risk decision.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 30, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
I'm not a human doctor, I don't play one on TV, and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn since February. For a living a basically do in field pathology on plants and animals if they were killed or inhibited by particular modes of action from pesticides, wouldn't call me a toxicologist but I can be one if needed.

I have about the same amount of science education that a doctor does have, so I read exactly what hydroxycoquiline is and what it is used for, it's an anti malaria drug (kills/fights parasites not viruses) and is an immunosuppressive (why it works for lupus and arthritis).

I can see where it would be beneficial in the treatment of some cases of Covid-19, where the body's immune system is overreacting to the virus and also killing the body, think blood coming out the eyes, lungs, heart being screwed up, etc.

For the life of me, I can't fathom how an immunosuppressant could be used as a prevention of a viral infection, or even offer a cure in a mild to moderate case.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 30, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
"I'm not a human doctor,..."

There's also been legitimate questions about the human part...   :-*   >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on July 30, 2020, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: charby on July 30, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
For the life of me, I can't fathom how an immunosuppressant could be used as a prevention of a viral infection, or even offer a cure in a mild to moderate case.

Maybe it kills the demon sperm (https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine)?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 30, 2020, 05:07:54 PM
I think the doctors calling hydroxycoquiline a cure are quacks, but perhaps they are just using poor terminology.  The ones calling it a treatment might be onto something.  The media and agencies suppressing any discussion of it being a possible treatment are as bad or worse than the quacks.

I don't know how hydroxycoquiline specifically works against malaria parasites (and haven't tried to read anything about it), but it is possible that the same mechanism coincidentally helps against this specific virus.  I read something a month ago about ACE-1 inhibitors, and that's a blood pressure medicine, but if the virus gains entry to cells thru that pathway, sure why not?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 30, 2020, 05:11:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1288694517848211457
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on July 30, 2020, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on July 30, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
"I'm not a human doctor,..."

There's also been legitimate questions about the human part...   :-*   >:D

Swamp ape?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
I don't know how many have died of covid 19, none here do and the government doesn't know either.

It will probably shake out like a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse. If I were to guess.

Considering the extreme efforts they've gone through in inflating the numbers across the board there is no real data to even come up with an accurate number.

For me, the lack of a nationwide standard of what constitutes a covid death tells me they really aren't interested in knowing.

That is useful information in itself.







Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 30, 2020, 05:07:54 PM
I think the doctors calling hydroxycoquiline a cure are quacks, but perhaps they are just using poor terminology.  The ones calling it a treatment might be onto something.  The media and agencies suppressing any discussion of it being a possible treatment are as bad or worse than the quacks.

I don't know how hydroxycoquiline specifically works against malaria parasites (and haven't tried to read anything about it), but it is possible that the same mechanism coincidentally helps against this specific virus.  I read something a month ago about ACE-1 inhibitors, and that's a blood pressure medicine, but if the virus gains entry to cells thru that pathway, sure why not?
I realize some people mentioned it as a "cure"(not sure who), but my understanding is it was always just a treatment for the symptoms.  The first time I heard about it months ago it was a treatment not a cure.  I don't know why there seems to be this resistance to using it on the left other than "Trump said good things about it so it must be bad".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 30, 2020, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 05:39:31 PM
I realize some people mentioned it as a "cure"(not sure who), but my understanding is it was always just a treatment for the symptoms.  The first time I heard about it months ago it was a treatment not a cure.  I don't know why there seems to be this resistance to using it on the left other than "Trump said good things about it so it must be bad".

I think it goes beyond that. If it were really and truly ineffective and possibly even counterproductive and/or harmful, you can rest assured that the Democrats would love to have ORANGEMANBAD proclaiming its virtues from the rooftops. The fact that they are trying to hard to portray it in a completely negative light suggests to me that it has potential to be helpful, and the Democrats can't afford to let anything good be associated with Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 30, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 30, 2020, 06:36:57 PM
I think it goes beyond that. If it were really and truly ineffective and possibly even counterproductive and/or harmful, you can rest assured that the Democrats would love to have ORANGEMANBAD proclaiming its virtues from the rooftops. The fact that they are trying to hard to portray it in a completely negative light suggests to me that it has potential to be helpful, and the Democrats can't afford to let anything good be associated with Trump.

Yep, there's big money behind it too:

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1277595471989571585
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: makattak on July 30, 2020, 11:11:16 AM
Impressive response, counselor.

Start with a nonsequitor argument made by people other than the interlocutor, AND exaggerate the argument such that I have to take time to try to both correct the mistaken characterization of the argument AND note that I was not the originator of that argument.

It would prevent most people from continuing down their own line of argumentation and get them distracted into the weeds.

NEXT, you also mischaracterize my own words such that when I actually said "is more dangerous than the flu" you state it as "less dangerous than the flu", once again getting my argument bogged down in correcting falsehoods.

THEN, you don't really address my argument at all that the government is causing more deaths and damage by overreaction than are being caused by the virus and dismiss that argument as the government "being conservative."

All in all, impressive obfuscation and misdirection. I'm sure it's very useful in court, but none of it really dealt with my argument that the government is both inept and corrupt.

Also, look at how much time and space I required to address your single sentence. Again, impressive sophisty.

Okay - so you think it is more dangerous than the flu. But not for young people.

You just don’t have any statistics you believe that allow you to conclude that? Is your estimation of the danger based on what your mates send you on Facebook, or a data source that you actually believe?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 30, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
I don't know how many have died of covid 19, none here do and the government doesn't know either.

It will probably shake out like a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse. If I were to guess.

Considering the extreme efforts they've gone through in inflating the numbers across the board there is no real data to even come up with an accurate number.

For me, the lack of a nationwide standard of what constitutes a covid death tells me they really aren't interested in knowing.

That is useful information in itself.









What’s the basis of your guess about it being like a flu year?

Certainly not medical advice. So what rational/objective source of information leads you to conclude that it’s probable?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on July 30, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
Yep, there's big money behind it too:

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1277595471989571585
That is interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on July 30, 2020, 05:07:54 PM
I think the doctors calling hydroxycoquiline a cure are quacks, but perhaps they are just using poor terminology.  The ones calling it a treatment might be onto something.  The media and agencies suppressing any discussion of it being a possible treatment are as bad or worse than the quacks.

I don't know how hydroxycoquiline specifically works against malaria parasites (and haven't tried to read anything about it), but it is possible that the same mechanism coincidentally helps against this specific virus.  I read something a month ago about ACE-1 inhibitors, and that's a blood pressure medicine, but if the virus gains entry to cells thru that pathway, sure why not?

I never heard it called a  cure by most doctors who   support it,  just a treatment.     There are diseases that have symptoms that are by themselves fatal,  and if those can be ameliorated,  the odds of survival improve.

I think this hydroxycoquiline is like this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 30, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 30, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
I don't know how many have died of covid 19, none here do and the government doesn't know either.

It will probably shake out like a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse. If I were to guess.

Considering the extreme efforts they've gone through in inflating the numbers across the board there is no real data to even come up with an accurate number.

For me, the lack of a nationwide standard of what constitutes a covid death tells me they really aren't interested in knowing.

That is useful information in itself.


Ok.  Let's take that as gospel for the moment.  At least as bad as "a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse". Where I live in FL, which is a "hot spot" right now, there are not a ton of noticeable COVID-19  mandates.  There is a  mask mandate.  There are, I guess, some restaurant rules, although I have had no trouble getting tables in the last two months.  There may end up being school changes next month, but that's not finalized.  Other than dots on the floor for lines (which these nasty MFer's needed before) and masks, there's no real effect on day to day living.  There is an issue with available healthcare due to resources being used on folks sick with COVID, but those resources are being used, not just held back in reserve.


So what's your issue?  Are you seeing something else?  Lockdowns are, as far as I can tell, over.  There are mask mandates, physical distancing requirements,  and.........? That seems to be the US response to COVID-19.   Which you admit is as bad or worse than a "real bad flu year". 

What would you think an appropriate response at this point* would be?

*Given, and I agree, that an appropriate response back in Feb-Mar would have been quarantining sick people and aggressive contact tracing to quarantine possible carriers.  You quarantine sick people, not entire societies.  However for better or worse that ship has sailed and COVID-19 is pretty established in our population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Looks like the latest recommendation is goggles / face shield. At this rate, I was originally making jokes about wearing my CM6M when out and about. Now it may end up being the easiest way to comply.  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/30/dr-deborah-birx-recommends-wearing-a-face-shield-over-your-mask/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on July 30, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 29, 2020, 10:05:36 PM
Is it possible he wasn’t telling the truth, and just doesn’t want to be quarantined?

Reading the debate about COVID is just stunning. It’s killed and left injured a staggering number of people, but there still seems to be a non-fringe debate about whether it’s overblown for some mysterious government/commercial plot.

I can see why traders would want to downplay the severity of the disease to keep revenue coming in from normal commercial activity. I cannot fathom why the Government would want to whip up fear or cripple its own revenues with shut downs.  Nor can I see any sane basis for thinking the CDC is politicising its advice.



You're trolling, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 30, 2020, 09:20:22 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on July 30, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
You're trolling, right?

I refer you to my reply #3662 above.
 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on July 30, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 30, 2020, 09:20:22 PM
I refer you to my reply #3662 above.
 =D

DeSelby's supposedly a lawyer.  I thought they were supposed to be able to tell when they're being lied to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 30, 2020, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: lee n. field on July 30, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
DeSelby's supposedly a lawyer.  I thought they were supposed to be able to tell when they're being lied to.

He's probably defending the lies based on professional courtesy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 30, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 30, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
Ok.  Let's take that as gospel for the moment.  At least as bad as "a real bad flu year or maybe a little worse". Where I live in FL, which is a "hot spot" right now, there are not a ton of noticeable COVID-19  mandates.  There is a  mask mandate.  There are, I guess, some restaurant rules, although I have had no trouble getting tables in the last two months.  There may end up being school changes next month, but that's not finalized.  Other than dots on the floor for lines (which these nasty MFer's needed before) and masks, there's no real effect on day to day living.  There is an issue with available healthcare due to resources being used on folks sick with COVID, but those resources are being used, not just held back in reserve.


So what's your issue?  Are you seeing something else?  Lockdowns are, as far as I can tell, over.  There are mask mandates, physical distancing requirements,  and.........? That seems to be the US response to COVID-19.   Which you admit is as bad or worse than a "real bad flu year".  

What would you think an appropriate response at this point* would be?

*Given, and I agree, that an appropriate response back in Feb-Mar would have been quarantining sick people and aggressive contact tracing to quarantine possible carriers.  You quarantine sick people, not entire societies.  However for better or worse that ship has sailed and COVID-19 is pretty established in our population.

I'm in Chicagoland. The atmosphere here is a bit more intense still. Your bewilderment at my irritation is understandable, I have family in FL on both coasts, your state hasn't ramped up anxiety levels like mine has from the start.  

Reasonably believable numbers based on measurable standardized criteria would be nice.

There is no taking back the mountain of lies, promotion of phony boloney models and naked politicization of the issue.

This is more a political issue at this point than medical/healthcare.

There is very little reason to believe the official mouthpieces of either side.

They have shown themselves to be liars.

There is no solution to that dilemma.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 30, 2020, 10:28:24 PM
We will never know the true numbers and I can search and do this for many states. Coming for someone wearing a mask when out because I have no immune system.

https://gunfreezone.net/florida-and-wuhan-v-media-lies/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 30, 2020, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 30, 2020, 08:44:36 PM

So what's your issue?  Are you seeing something else?  Lockdowns are, as far as I can tell, over.  There are mask mandates, physical distancing requirements,  and.........? That seems to be the US response to COVID-19.   


I don't think we can claim the "lock-down" is over, as it appears a lot of kids won't be going back to school this fall, or at least not full-time. That will make it difficult for a lot of parents to resume normal work routines. Also, if I recall correctly, some places are going back into a second suite of shut-downs. Not in my county, although they just gave the bars a 9 o'clock curfew, and rolled back from allowing half-capacity everywhere to gatherings of no more than 50.

Also, mask mandates are just a weaker form of lock-down. Who's going anywhere to kick back and relax with a mask on their face? We'll be going out for necessities, and coming back home, just like we were doing a couple of months ago.

And if the lock-down is over, why are we talking about mail-in voting?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2020, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 30, 2020, 10:54:00 PM

I don't think we can claim the "lock-down" is over   ....... 

Our overlords have yet to squeeze all the p-p-panic out of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN Covid19 that they can.  They will keep it up until absolute total control is firmly established.     [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on July 31, 2020, 05:34:58 AM
The final straw for me was when doctors started saying that the restrictions must continue except for BLM protests and riots. Literally a couple of weeks before any group protesting the restrictions such as up in Michigan was labeled as the devil but thousands protesting for the “right cause” was defended as for the greater good.

Add the heavily massaged numbers, CDC not being able to find its ass using both hands, the malaria drug showing signs of being able to help a lot right up until Trump mentioned it in a tweet then it was the devil, Cuomo sending Covid positive patients to nursing homes to slaughter the old folks, a massive spending package packed with pork, liberals physically assaulting people not wearing masks, etc and yeah, you’re gonna get a lot of skepticism and pushback.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 31, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 30, 2020, 07:08:55 PM
Okay - so you think it is more dangerous than the flu. But not for young people.

You just don’t have any statistics you believe that allow you to conclude that? Is your estimation of the danger based on what your mates send you on Facebook, or a data source that you actually believe?

You ignore the entirety of my post except for one small admission of your own mendacity, and then go back to the very first part of my post to ascribe to me a position I've already noted was not my own and is an exaggeration of the position others have made in this thread. Making me, once again, focus on quibbling over a position on data that I've never taken AND ignoring the crux of the argument that the government, by their own measures, has overreacted and been both inept and corrupt.

I have to say, that's pretty much what I expected. It's very good, disciplined debating tactics. Well done.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 31, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: makattak on July 31, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
You ignore the entirety of my post except for one small admission of your own mendacity, and then go back to the very first part of my post to ascribe to me a position I've already noted was not my own and is an exaggeration of the position others have made in this thread. Making me, once again, focus on quibbling over a position on data that I've never taken AND ignoring the crux of the argument that the government, by their own measures, has overreacted and been both inept and corrupt.

I have to say, that's pretty much what I expected. It's very good, disciplined debating tactics. Well done.

So I missed that - did you have some source of info that allowed you to make conclusions about COVID other than those made by the CDC?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on July 31, 2020, 12:11:32 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 31, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
So I missed that - did you have some source of info that allowed you to make conclusions about COVID other than those made by the CDC?

Other countries? Here's some data for you:

(https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png)

That's from Switzerland, from a month ago.

(https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)


Here's the US statistics on Flu. (I'm admittedly ignoring the data on coronavirus in that chart, because it is based on the very limited data of confirmed cases, versus the (unknown) total cases.)

Let's look at this. Hmm...

Flu death rate is estimated to be at .01% for ages 0-17 and .02% for people 18-49.

Coronavirus death rate is estimated to be .002% for age 5-9 and .0003% for ages 10-17. That's somewhere on the line of flu being 10 times deadlier. 18-49 it is estimated at .009%, which is more dangerous- it's almost HALF of the flu's death rate.

Once we get into the higher age brackets, it's now more deadly than the flu. (If this one broke down 40-50, I'm betting it would not be as deadly as the flu, as my recollection is that age 60 is where the deadliness truly increases.)


And, I predict, we'll now proceed to arguing about why I use that data1 and don't trust the CDC data, instead of recognizing the CDC data is quite bad and limited, which is why I don't use the confirmed cases and confirmed deaths as the main source for estimating the death rate.

1: "Why do you trust the Swiss?! That's where Davos is! Obviously they're just part of the same globalist conspiracy!!!" as an example of the type of argument.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 31, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
I would caution that using (any) health outcome data from other countries, especially ones with notably smaller populations, doesn't port straight over to the US, because a lot of things affect health outcome from any disease, not just COVID.  There's a TON of differences in health system, capacity, regional differences inside the country, and supportive care that will affect a death rate.

A country like Russia is probably more likely to have similar nationwide outcomes to the US than Switzerland, but of course their data can't be trusted either.

At some point, you just need some kind of data, so you have to run with what you have, while being aware of the data's limitations.  I get that.  I wouldn't say discount Swiss data entirely, but be aware that it's not apples to apples with US health outcomes.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2020, 02:12:43 PM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87844?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-07-31&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_073120&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active

An interesting article about a proponent of HCQ.  I can say that in my healthcare system, almost no one is now using HCQ because of the lack of good evidence of efficacy, and the demonstrable risk of cardiac problems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 31, 2020, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 31, 2020, 02:12:43 PM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87844?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-07-31&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_073120&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active

An interesting article about a proponent of HCQ.  I can say that in my healthcare system, almost no one is now using HCQ because of the lack of good evidence of efficacy, and the demonstrable risk of cardiac problems.

But there are now reports that a very high percentage of people who have survived COVID-19 and are "recovered" now have cardiac problems as a [probable] result of the coronavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 31, 2020, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: makattak on July 31, 2020, 12:11:32 PM
Other countries? Here's some data for you:

(https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png)

That's from Switzerland, from a month ago.

(https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)


Here's the US statistics on Flu. (I'm admittedly ignoring the data on coronavirus in that chart, because it is based on the very limited data of confirmed cases, versus the (unknown) total cases.)

Let's look at this. Hmm...

Flu death rate is estimated to be at .01% for ages 0-17 and .02% for people 18-49.

Coronavirus death rate is estimated to be .002% for age 5-9 and .0003% for ages 10-17. That's somewhere on the line of flu being 10 times deadlier. 18-49 it is estimated at .009%, which is more dangerous- it's almost HALF of the flu's death rate.

Once we get into the higher age brackets, it's now more deadly than the flu. (If this one broke down 40-50, I'm betting it would not be as deadly as the flu, as my recollection is that age 60 is where the deadliness truly increases.)


And, I predict, we'll now proceed to arguing about why I use that data1 and don't trust the CDC data, instead of recognizing the CDC data is quite bad and limited, which is why I don't use the confirmed cases and confirmed deaths as the main source for estimating the death rate.

1: "Why do you trust the Swiss?! That's where Davos is! Obviously they're just part of the same globalist conspiracy!!!" as an example of the type of argument.

The problem isn’t Switzerland - it’s why you picked a chart from that country over any others. I’m going out on a limb and saying you did that because the chart you pasted fits your argument.

So you have literally chosen to ignore the very same source you used on flu, in order to select a country whose statistics on corona make it look less dangerous?

Relying on Facebook messages from your mates is truly better science. You should go back to assessing covid risk based on that - because the method you’re using with numbers (pick ones that fit your argument and ignore that same source insofar as it doesn’t) is guaranteed to give you a bad result. At least your mates could accidentally be right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 31, 2020, 06:59:19 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 31, 2020, 03:31:21 PM
But there are now reports that a very high percentage of people who have survived COVID-19 and are "recovered" now have cardiac problems as a [probable] result of the coronavirus.

The bills from the COVID hospital stays and ongoing treatments should probably way into economic calculations about public health measures.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
Well the numbers from the USA are a complete mess. So what numbers do we use? North Korea? Iran? The PRC?

Tell me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 31, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 31, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
Well the numbers from the USA are a complete mess. So what numbers do we use? North Korea? Iran? The PRC?

Tell me.

Last night NPR was going on and on about how great Vietnam is doing.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 31, 2020, 08:38:04 PM
So no information shared by anyone on Facebook is ever correct. Must have missed that day of my logic course in college.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 31, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on July 31, 2020, 08:38:04 PM
So no information shared by anyone on Facebook is ever correct. Must have missed that day of my logic course in college.

Ah. I see the problem. You relied upon something you were taught in college!  :facepalm:

Trying to filter out truth and reality from Facebook or Twitter, or any of the rest of them 'social media sites,' is like looking for that complete rendition of Shakespear's works typed by that one monkey out of the infinate number of monkeys banging on an infinate number of keyboards over the infinate eons. AKA, random luck.

Look to history, apply logic, and if social media or the MSM doesn't compute, it didn't happen. How does that saying go? Oh, yeah. Dont believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.  [popcorn]

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 31, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
I had in mind that someone here keeps claiming that others are using their Facebook friends as sources. Trouble is, no one seems to have cited their "mates," and even if they did, so what?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 01, 2020, 08:10:23 AM
Quote from: fistful on July 31, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
I had in mind that someone here keeps claiming that others are using their Facebook friends as sources. Trouble is, no one seems to have cited their "mates," and even if they did, so what?

Straw men, non sequiturs and other "look! over here! a squirrel!" misdirections are some peoples stock in trade rhetorical devices.





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 01, 2020, 08:45:54 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 01, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
No, there is no economic incentive for hospitals to inflate their COVID-19 case counts.   :facepalm:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/31/cdc-chief-agrees-theres-perverse-economic-incentive-for-hospitals-to-inflate-coronavirus-deaths/?utm_source=whatfinger (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/31/cdc-chief-agrees-theres-perverse-economic-incentive-for-hospitals-to-inflate-coronavirus-deaths/?utm_source=whatfinger)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 01, 2020, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 01, 2020, 08:45:54 AM
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 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 02, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 02:25:47 AM
Quote from: fistful on July 31, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
I had in mind that someone here keeps claiming that others are using their Facebook friends as sources. Trouble is, no one seems to have cited their "mates," and even if they did, so what?

Before he decided Switzerland’s statistics were his source, Mak was saying he judged covid risk based on personal stories sent to him by emergency and health care workers. That’s what I was referring to.

Lots of questioning of the data or pointing out that profit motives may not produce the best health advice - but no real alternative sources of info for judging covid risk seem to be emerging.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 02, 2020, 07:40:32 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 02:25:47 AM
Before he decided Switzerland’s statistics were his source, Mak was saying he judged covid risk based on personal stories sent to him by emergency and health care workers. That’s what I was referring to.

Lots of questioning of the data or pointing out that profit motives may not produce the best health advice - but no real alternative sources of info for judging covid risk seem to be emerging.

So we have no alternative sources of info other than state authorities reporting to the CDC.

The data the states are reporting are all BS though. They don't even hide the fact they are manipulating the data to drive up both deaths and cases in the reporting.

So is your position we must believe the liars in the states and fed gov because there isn't an alternative source of data?


  

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 02, 2020, 01:25:01 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 02, 2020, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 02, 2020, 01:25:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eea7XXnXgAIJcRu?format=png&name=small)

Slow the spread to prolong the inevitable. I'll just hide and watch.  [popcorn]

Woody  :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ron on August 02, 2020, 07:40:32 AM
So we have no alternative sources of info other than state authorities reporting to the CDC.

The data the states are reporting are all BS though. They don't even hide the fact they are manipulating the data to drive up both deaths and cases in the reporting.

So is your position we must believe the liars in the states and fed gov because there isn't an alternative source of data?


  



My position is, we should make some estimation of risk and therefore responses to COVID based on data.

If you think all the data is bs, how can you offer any opinion at all about response measures? Unless you have some data that reliably informs you it is all an overestimate...in which case, let’s see it.

They’re not perfect, but I do think global health authorities and the CDC are probably better placed to offer meaningful data and advice on COVID risks than the stories of paramedic or teacher friends relayed firsthand.

I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 02, 2020, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
My position is, we should make some estimation of risk and therefore responses to COVID based on data.

If you think all the data is bs, how can you offer any opinion at all about response measures? Unless you have some data that reliably informs you it is all an overestimate...in which case, let’s see it.

They’re not perfect, but I do think global health authorities and the CDC are probably better placed to offer meaningful data and advice on COVID risks than the stories of paramedic or teacher friends relayed firsthand.

I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.

 

You're the embodiment of the ALCU on this board.  The "Official sources" are the word of the prophet,  just so long as they don't clash with the point you're trying to make.

What's next?  Racism as a public health crisis?  I hear that's in fashion too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: Andiron on August 02, 2020, 09:30:01 PM
You're the embodiment of the ALCU on this board.  The "Official sources" are the word of the prophet,  just so long as they don't clash with the point you're trying to make.

What's next?  Racism as a public health crisis?  I hear that's in fashion too.

How rational is that - all I said is responses to communicable disease should be based on medical and infectious disease expert information, which even if not perfect, is likely to be better than whatever else you’re reading.

Your response to that is to talk about racism and culture wars. That’s telling - COVID isn’t actually about the science for you, is it? It’s also a real disease - not a fashion.  There were people (still are) who denied HIV existed or that it caused AIDS too. That’s the sort of tinfoil hattery that causes pandemics to kill and maim more people than otherwise might be the case.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 02, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
My position is, we should make some estimation of risk and therefore responses to COVID based on data.

If you think all the data is bs, how can you offer any opinion at all about response measures? Unless you have some data that reliably informs you it is all an overestimate...in which case, let’s see it.

They’re not perfect, but I do think global health authorities and the CDC are probably better placed to offer meaningful data and advice on COVID risks than the stories of paramedic or teacher friends relayed firsthand.

I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.

There is no good information, it's all political power plays and propaganda.

They've been wrong AND they've lied.

Global health authorities?

Global Health Authorities

I think where we go our separate ways is your acceptance of these institutions as being non ideological, benevolent and without an agenda.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
Quote from: Ron on August 02, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
There is no good information, it's all political power plays and propaganda.

They've been wrong AND they've lied.

Global health authorities?

Global Health Authorities

I think where we go our separate ways is your acceptance of these institutions as being non ideological, benevolent and without an agenda.


So the entire world’s public health experts are in on the same conspiracy? And even in systems where it is in fact bad for government to inflate numbers and the cost pressures clearly incentivise downplaying, they arrive at the same conspiracy as the CDC?

At some level you’ve got to be able to see that non specific declarations of “they lied” are tinfoil level thinking.

Did they also jointly produce the chemtrail planes????  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 02, 2020, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 09:32:27 PM
How rational is that - all I said is responses to communicable disease should be based on medical and infectious disease expert information, which even if not perfect, is likely to be better than whatever else you’re reading.

Your response to that is to talk about racism and culture wars. That’s telling - COVID isn’t actually about the science for you, is it? It’s also a real disease - not a fashion.  There were people (still are) who denied HIV existed or that it caused AIDS too. That’s the sort of tinfoil hattery that causes pandemics to kill and maim more people than otherwise might be the case.

I'm obliquely referencing your continued bullshit with regards to the Zimmerman case.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
Quote from: Andiron on August 02, 2020, 09:49:19 PM
I'm obliquely referencing your continued bullshit with regards to the Zimmerman case.

So the CDC is lying because they’re part of the conspiracy to frame George Zimmerman? Or is there some other theory of relevance Zimmerman has to COVID and the CDC?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 02, 2020, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
So the CDC is lying because they’re part of the conspiracy to frame George Zimmerman? Or is there some other theory of relevance Zimmerman has to COVID and the CDC?

You never argue in good faith.  It's always some form of trolling.  Be gone, already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 02, 2020, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 08:59:38 PM

I think the data produced by doctors and infectious disease experts is likely to offer a better health response to pandemics.
 

Unfortunately, the data aren't being produced by doctors and infectious disease experts. The data are being produced by hacks, bureaucrats, and political appointees.

Case in point: I don't have the list of which states, but it has been reported widely enough to be credible that some states are reporting positive antibodies test results (which show that the person had the coronavirus at some time in the past) with positive nasal swab tests (which test for having the disease now).

Case in point: It has been reported widely enough to probably be credible that some states' medical directors are reporting all deaths of people who test positive (either before death or posthumously) as being coronavirus deaths -- whether that's what the person actually died of or not.

Case in point: since early March, my state's governor's office has posted a daily update with numbers of new cases, total number of positive tests, numbers of hospitalizations, and numbers of deaths. I started tracking these reports as of March 1. The state reported the first case on March 8. I check the report daily, print it out and put the print in a 3-ring binder, and log the numbers on a spreadsheet. A funny thing happened on May 3. On May 3, with no explanation, the total number of positive tests reported suddenly was off by 25 from what the total should have been by adding the new cases to the total from the day before. Same thing with deaths: also on May 3, all of a sudden the total number of deaths reported was off by 59 from what the state's own numbers add up to.

Case in point: The woman in Florida who was in charge of generating that state's daily report was fired because she declined to fudge the numbers. I don't remember the specifics, but you can find the story without much trouble if you want to read about it.

There is no good answer. We know the numbers are bogus, but we don't know how far off they are, or in which direction. For all we know, some states may be fudging the numbers higher while other states may be fudging the numbers lower. My view is that I'm pretty certain (heck, I have proof) that my state is fudging the numbers, but as long as they fudge them the same way every day I can still look at the numbers to see if they're trending up or down. They were trending down until about ten days ago; now they're trending up again (but very slightly).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 03, 2020, 12:57:57 AM
Pick a state and you can probably find that they have had problems with the numbers. Like this one.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/01/why-one-state-had-to-correct-its-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-numbers-n2573546
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on August 03, 2020, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 02:25:47 AM
Before he decided Switzerland’s statistics were his source, Mak was saying he judged covid risk based on personal stories sent to him by emergency and health care workers. That’s what I was referring to.

Lots of questioning of the data or pointing out that profit motives may not produce the best health advice - but no real alternative sources of info for judging covid risk seem to be emerging.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: I've never said that.

My analysis is through tracking the virus effects through several states, countries and even the Diamond Princess (cruise ship).

I doubt the estimation of the CDC based on studies I have read from other countries and from our own, which is why I weight the analysis less from our own government- I have judged they are mistaken.

And, honestly, I chose Switzerland because I searched for "Coronavirus death rate by age" and that was literally the first link that popped up. I don't think Switzerland likely has it completely correct, either, but is likely much closer to the real numbers (which may be higher than what that study published, but still likely comparable to flu numbers for people not at risk due to age and comorbidities.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
So the entire world’s public health experts are in on the same conspiracy? And even in systems where it is in fact bad for government to inflate numbers and the cost pressures clearly incentivise downplaying, they arrive at the same conspiracy as the CDC?

At some level you’ve got to be able to see that non specific declarations of “they lied” are tinfoil level thinking.

Did they also jointly produce the chemtrail planes????  =D

So, ignore the fact it's all lies, everybody is lying and believes the lies, come join us in believing the lies...

We must ignore the cognitive dissonance we experience when the reality that is observed doesn't match the narrative...

Not believing the "world authorities" means you're crazy and conspiratorial ....

Sorry, I'm not ignoring the lies when they are so blatantly in our faces about telling them.

In the USA at least, as far as I know, every state is reporting dying with Covid-19 as a dying FROM Covid-19.

As mentioned in an above post, even the simple defining line between active infection and those who test positive for antibodies is being conflated.

Remember the old saying? Garbage in Garbage out?

The numbers reported are garbage, so the stats are garbage and the decisions made on the garbage are garbage.

No amount of rhetoric changes reality.



 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 02, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
So the entire world’s public health experts are in on the same conspiracy? And even in systems where it is in fact bad for government to inflate numbers and the cost pressures clearly incentivise downplaying, they arrive at the same conspiracy as the CDC?

At some level you’ve got to be able to see that non specific declarations of “they lied” are tinfoil level thinking.

Did they also jointly produce the chemtrail planes????  =D
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust.  So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives. 

It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on August 03, 2020, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 09:47:00 AM
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust.  So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives. 

It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.

The pandemic will immediately end once Biden is sworn in.

Just like all anti-war demonstrations immediately ended once Obama was sworn in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
"So, ignore the fact it's all lies, everybody is lying and believes the lies, come join us in believing the lies..."

You're FINALLY getting it!  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 03, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Someone needs to conjure up a new crisis. This Covid thing is getting old, boring, and convoluted.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 03, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on August 03, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Someone needs to conjure up a new crisis. This Covid thing is getting old, boring, and convoluted.

Woody

How about the entire West Coast seceding from the United States if Trump wins?  =D

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/03/2020-election-war-game-hypothetical-with-john-podesta-playing-the-part-of-joe-biden-refusing-to-concede-ends-up-with-3-states-threatening-secession/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
My company, last week, rolled out a new website for employees to "self assess" whether we should be at work or not.

Basically, have you been diagnosed with the plague, have you been in contact with someone who has the plague, do you have, in the past day or two, any of this list of nonspecific symptoms that could be an indicator of anything ranging from allergies to Ebola...

We have to do that every day. OK, I get it. They're trying to bring staff back to work, and this is just another tool towards that end. Still weird, but not as weird as being in an office building that can easily accommodate upwards 3,000 people and seeing... fewer than a dozen on any given day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 03, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
Visited some of SWMBO's extended family over the weekend. Got these three gems to illustrate how out of kilter the numbers probably are. All are from persons with first-hand knowledge.

1. Person was a double-lung transplant. Strict isolation protocols, both hospital and home. Recovering well, everyone being super-cautious about contact. Person was in better-than-expected health, improving at a rapid pace, and ahead of all expectations. Simply didn't wake up one morning. All indications pointed to a clot-related pulmonary or cardiac issue but the family decided to let him rest in peace and forego an autopsy. Hospital district was having none of it and went so far as threatening to take the family to court to force an autopsy. Family did not relent and hospital finally backed down. No autopsy, no postmortem testing. Imagine their surprise when they got the death certificate and Cause of Death was listed as COVID-19 complications. Family has hired an attorney to get some answers.

2. Elderly person in visitation-restricted Hospice care for multiple conditions including significant recent history of stroke and coronary events. Had another massive stroke and passed away within hours. Straightforward death declaration by local Justice of the Peace. No Autopsy. No pre- or postmortem COVID-19 testing. Received the death certificate and, sure enough, cause of death listed as COVID-19. Family is speaking with the State AG via an attorney about bringing up county health officials on charges for falsifying information on a death certificate.

3. Elderly person in assisted living. Developed respiratory issues and passed away within the week. Tested daily for COVID-19. Six tests total, all came back negative. Family physician says everything points to likely an old-fashioned case of the flu and the person was too old and frail to fight it. Listed cause of death? Yep, you guessed it. COVID-19. Family speaking with an attorney to figure out if they need to pursue a lawsuit.

Again, these are first-hand accounts from family members in direct contact with the families involved, not some he-said she-said third-hand "I heard it on Facebook" business. My nature is to have a healthy skepticism of news reports. Now? I straight up don't believe them. Sure, they might be reporting "official" numbers, but when there is a reasonably likelihood those numbers are a overt misrepresentation of fact then I have to presume everything based on them is an outright lie.

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 09:47:00 AM
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust.  So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives. 

It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.

What precautions should we take? And why?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 03, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
So, ignore the fact it's all lies, everybody is lying and believes the lies, come join us in believing the lies...

We must ignore the cognitive dissonance we experience when the reality that is observed doesn't match the narrative...

Not believing the "world authorities" means you're crazy and conspiratorial ....

Sorry, I'm not ignoring the lies when they are so blatantly in our faces about telling them.

In the USA at least, as far as I know, every state is reporting dying with Covid-19 as a dying FROM Covid-19.

As mentioned in an above post, even the simple defining line between active infection and those who test positive for antibodies is being conflated.

Remember the old saying? Garbage in Garbage out?

The numbers reported are garbage, so the stats are garbage and the decisions made on the garbage are garbage.

No amount of rhetoric changes reality.



 

Am I to take this that you mean to say the idea of a world health authority conspiracy is really sensible? Like are you ridiculing me for laughing at that idea, or was this meant to be an earnest explanation of how all the disparate medical authorities in the world independently arrived at the same fake COVID scare?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: makattak on August 03, 2020, 08:48:01 AM
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: I've never said that.

My analysis is through tracking the virus effects through several states, countries and even the Diamond Princess (cruise ship).

I doubt the estimation of the CDC based on studies I have read from other countries and from our own, which is why I weight the analysis less from our own government- I have judged they are mistaken.

And, honestly, I chose Switzerland because I searched for "Coronavirus death rate by age" and that was literally the first link that popped up. I don't think Switzerland likely has it completely correct, either, but is likely much closer to the real numbers (which may be higher than what that study published, but still likely comparable to flu numbers for people not at risk due to age and comorbidities.)

So it was just chance that Switzerland was one of the few countries on earth that fit your narrative and just google chance made it first? And that also explains why you hot linked graphics and had to ignore half of the other picture you linked?

Hahaha, sure bro. I guess Pollyanna would buy that hahahshs
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:39:01 AM
Am I to take this that you mean to say the idea of a world health authority conspiracy is really sensible? Like are you ridiculing me for laughing at that idea, or was this meant to be an earnest explanation of how all the disparate medical authorities in the world independently arrived at the same fake COVID scare?

It has nothing to do with conspiracies as I have no information other than what is reported.

What it does have to do with is that I am listening, watching and observing what the authorities say, the actions they take, the way they behave, I notice things. Those things I notice can no longer be explained away. They no longer get the benefit of the doubt. Not only are so many institutions lying to us they are on record telling us they are lying to us.

They don't get the benefit of the doubt. Liars don't get the benefit of the doubt.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 09:47:00 AM
I don't know who is involved, but there is enough bad data that I don't know what to trust.  So I think we should just take precautions and move on with our lives.  

It will be interesting to see how the media treats this issue after the election is over.

Pretty much been my position.

What do I actually really know?

This virus exists.

It can be a rough ride or deadly for a very small percentage of the population.

It spreads not unlike the flu, so precautions that work to protect you from the flu will help against this virus as well as help stop/slow its spread.

Governments, healthcare institutions, global authorities are lying to us and their motivations for doing so are not immediately apparent (I'm being generous).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 03, 2020, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on August 03, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Someone needs to conjure up a new crisis. This Covid thing is getting old, boring, and convoluted.

Woody

How about a race war? Oh wait, you said new
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 03, 2020, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 03, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
How about the entire West Coast seceding from the United States if Trump wins?  =D

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/03/2020-election-war-game-hypothetical-with-john-podesta-playing-the-part-of-joe-biden-refusing-to-concede-ends-up-with-3-states-threatening-secession/


Don’t threaten me with a good time now
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 03, 2020, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 03, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
How about the entire West Coast seceding from the United States if Trump wins?  =D

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/08/03/2020-election-war-game-hypothetical-with-john-podesta-playing-the-part-of-joe-biden-refusing-to-concede-ends-up-with-3-states-threatening-secession/


Sounds good, but I don't see the crisis in that ... =D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 03, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
So I think I haven't been inside the post office since this COVID thing started, but was there this morning. I would have expected that fed.gov (yes, I know USPS is .com, but still) has mandatory mask regs for at a minimum, their employees. Nobody in my local office was wearing one. Admittedly it's a podunk sized post office, but it was interesting that the employees were likely shunning a mask reg.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
What precautions should we take? And why?

Well, if the flu is going around, we would take precautions with personal hygiene and keeping ourselves and our stuff clean.  If someone is particularly susceptible to it they might do more.  That is reasonable.  The social distancing isn't so bad as I like to have my space anyway.

I question the mask stuff to a point since I have seen video and reports of so many people who are pushing this stuff take their masks off as soon as they think they are not on video anymore.  So not sure about masks.  I wear one since my employer and local businesses ask me to wear one.  

There have been so many conflicting reports on the attributes of COVID-19 that I am not sure what to think about it beyond that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2020, 01:22:47 PM
I've not been in a post office since... middle of 2018? Mailing crap for my Mom's estate. No real need to go into a post office, either.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on August 03, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
Deaths are an easy thing to focus on (and should be relatively easy to count), but it's not the whole picture either.
Quote from: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm
In a multistate telephone survey of symptomatic adults who had a positive outpatient test result for SARS-CoV-2 infection, 35% had not returned to their usual state of health when interviewed 2–3 weeks after testing. Among persons aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, one in five had not returned to their usual state of health.
There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?

Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fallout-insight-idUSKBN24Z1CM
A JAMA Cardiology study found that in one group of COVID-19 patients in Germany aged 45 to 53, more than 75% suffered from heart inflammation, raising the possibility of future heart failure.

A Kidney International study found that over a third of COVID-19 patients in a New York medical system developed acute kidney injury, and nearly 15% required dialysis.

Dr. Marco Rizzi in Bergamo, Italy, an early epicenter of the pandemic, said the Giovanni XXIII Hospital has seen close to 600 COVID-19 patients for follow-up. About 30% have lung issues, 10% have neurological problems, 10% have heart issues and about 9% have lingering motor skill problems. He co-chairs the WHO panel that will recommend long-term follow-up for patients.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on August 03, 2020, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:39:01 AM
Am I to take this that you mean to say the idea of a world health authority conspiracy is really sensible? Like are you ridiculing me for laughing at that idea, or was this meant to be an earnest explanation of how all the disparate medical authorities in the world independently arrived at the same fake COVID scare?

A conspiracy is not necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on August 03, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
Deaths are an easy thing to focus on (and should be relatively easy to count), but it's not the whole picture either.There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?

How do you know those reports are any more accurate than other stuff?  Just more anecdotal stuff spreading around.  Until there are some reliable statistics available, it is just fodder for the fear mongers.

On the organ damage, if that is true I wonder how much of that is simply low blood oxygen level or perhaps something in the treatments attempted.  Too many factors involved to take it at face value.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on August 03, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 03, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
So I think I haven't been inside the post office since this COVID thing started, but was there this morning. I would have expected that fed.gov (yes, I know USPS is .com, but still) has mandatory mask regs for at a minimum, their employees. Nobody in my local office was wearing one. Admittedly it's a podunk sized post office, but it was interesting that the employees were likely shunning a mask reg.

Very few businesses around here, except the ones with rules handed down from corporate (Wally World and Aldi), seem to care about masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on August 03, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
We got a statewide mask order starting on August 1 with a $200 fine, and there is a huge list of Sheriffs that said they will not be enforcing it. Some have said they will come to business complaints but not Karen complaints, and some of those have said there will be no citations,
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
How do you know those reports are any more accurate than other stuff?  Just more anecdotal stuff spreading around.  Until there are some reliable statistics available, it is just fodder for the fear mongers.

On the organ damage, if that is true I wonder how much of that is simply low blood oxygen level or perhaps something in the treatments attempted.  Too many factors involved to take it at face value.


Quote
At least one telephone call was attempted for 582 patients (including 175 [30%] who were tested in an ED and 407 [70%] in non-ED settings), with 325 (56%) interviews completed (89 [27%] ED and 236 [73%] non-ED). Among 257 nonrespondents, 178 could not be reached, 37 requested a callback but could not be reached on further call attempts, 28 refused the interview, and 14 had a language barrier. Among the 325 completed interviews, 31 were excluded: nine (3%) because a proxy was interviewed, 17 (5%) because a previous positive SARS-CoV-2 test was reported, and five (2%) who did not answer the symptoms questions. Two additional respondents were called prematurely at 7 days and were also excluded.* Among the 292 remaining patient respondents, 274 (94%) reported one or more symptoms at testing and were included in this data analysis. Following outpatient testing, 7% (19 of 262 with available data) reported later being hospitalized, a median of 3.5 days after the test date. The median age of symptomatic respondents was 42.5 years (interquartile range [IQR] = 31–54 years), 142 (52%) were female, 98 (36%) were Hispanic, 96 (35%) were non-Hispanic white, 48 (18%) were non-Hispanic black, and 32 (12%) were other non-Hispanic race. Overall, 141 of 264 (53%) with available data reported one or more chronic medical conditions. The median interval from test to interview date was 16 days (IQR = 14–19 days); the median number of days respondents reported feeling unwell before being tested for SARS-CoV-2 was 3 (IQR = 2–7 days).

The methodology seems pretty sound and in line with random sample testing.  Especially considering the trends we are discussing are pretty statistically significant.  It's not like a 3 or 4% spread where a different sample is likely to be very different.

On the organ damage, does it matter?  If you get COVID and get treated and O2 deprivation, COVID, or something the doctors do damages your organs, you (and the not small number of patients) still have damaged organs to live with, caused by getting a disease.  It's important to ID the cause for the next folks, especially if it's a result of a treatment, but I don't see how it really matters to the person with organ damage.

There is growing, real evidence that COVID-19 can frequently have long * medium term health effects on the folks it doesn't kill.  That is absolutely something to add to your risk analysis and decision making.

*Long term is still unwritten at this point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Well, if the flu is going around, we would take precautions with personal hygiene and keeping ourselves and our stuff clean.  If someone is particularly susceptible to it they might do more.  That is reasonable.  The social distancing isn't so bad as I like to have my space anyway.

I question the mask stuff to a point since I have seen video and reports of so many people who are pushing this stuff take their masks off as soon as they think they are not on video anymore.  So not sure about masks.  I wear one since my employer and local businesses ask me to wear one.  

There have been so many conflicting reports on the attributes of COVID-19 that I am not sure what to think about it beyond that.

Would you support taking the same measures that have been used to reduce the impact of coronavirus disease on livestock?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 03, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Would you support taking the same measures that have been used to reduce the impact of coronavirus disease on livestock?

What is that, destroy the herd?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2020, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on August 03, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
What is that, destroy the herd?

Well, these days it seems that most people are dumber than your average cow...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 03, 2020, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on August 03, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
What is that, destroy the herd?

The democrats and other elite statist types sure seem to be driving to the "destroy the herd" method but in reality it isn't that bad with cattle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_coronavirus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_coronavirus)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on August 03, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
What is that, destroy the herd?

 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/)

Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 04:23:37 PM
Quarantine the sick or the healthy?

Regarding hygiene a lot of folks where I work don't want the alcohol, virex, gloves and plexiglass register shields to go away.

Considering how strains of flu and colds rip through retail environments it probably is a worthwhile investment just to keep the staff healthy during flu season.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2020, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did
To be fair, this is also what many countries who failed to prevent mass infection did.
Also, “prevention” is - at this stage anyway - a temporary delay. Not a permanent solution.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 03, 2020, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/)

Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/coronavirus-spread-through-us-pigs-in-2013-heres-how-it-was-stopped-180974646/)

Quarantine and hygiene - ie what most countries who have managed to prevent mass infection did

Good read, worthwhile.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 03, 2020, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on August 03, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
Deaths are an easy thing to focus on (and should be relatively easy to count), but it's not the whole picture either.There are reports of long lasting organ damage, significant blood clotting issues, and who knows what else might show up later on? What if it does something like shingles but worse?


So there's still hope for a ZA?  [ar15]



I thought the "What you should know" part was interesting:  https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 04, 2020, 08:45:25 AM
600,000 People Who Never Took a COVID Test Were Told They Have the Virus
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2020-08-03-600000-people-who-never-took-a-covid-test-were-told-they-have-the-virus/?__twitter_impression=true

I guess someone copied the group wide distribution list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on August 04, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 03, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
So it was just chance that Switzerland was one of the few countries on earth that fit your narrative and just google chance made it first? And that also explains why you hot linked graphics and had to ignore half of the other picture you linked?

Hahaha, sure bro. I guess Pollyanna would buy that hahahshs

Ah, so now I'm a liar.

Well, congratulations, I re-ran the search to see if my recollection was correct.

Seems I was wrong. It wasn't the first link. It was the first link that didn't come from March or April, as I wanted to have as recent an estimate as I could get. You got me, it was all a dastardly plan to trick everyone into thinking that I might read all kinds of different items.

As for why I discounted the CDC data, I stated CLEARLY when I posted that chart that since it was based off of verified cases and deaths, it was clearly not a valid estimate of the actual death rate. I'm obviously just a dolt listening to my "mates on facebook"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on August 04, 2020, 09:29:33 AM
(https://cdn.statically.io/img/assets.infowars.com/2020/08/thumb-McBreen-facebook.png?quality=50&f=auto)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 04, 2020, 10:02:55 AM
^^^ The fix is in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 04, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: fistful on April 04, 2020, 11:39:21 PM
I'm going to bookmark this and look at it again in August. Assuming I'm still around.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/forecasting-model-predicts-when-each-state-will-likely-hit-coronavirus-peak-gives-possible-total-deaths

The prediction was for about 93,000 U.S. deaths by today. Then again, there's reason to believe the "actual" number is inflated. Same thing with New York, but worse. For my state, the numbers are impressively close, although our "peak death " day came a month earlier.

Sorry. Forgot to include the link.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-u-s-map-shows-number-fatalities-compared-confirmed-n1166966
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
I guess, while not close, that's not totally off for here in Idaho, given the +- factor. They predicted 397 and we've had 202, out of 22,000 cases, with our biggest outbreaks occurring only over the last few weeks.

I wish the linked URL would have also given known infection estimates as well as deaths. They must have had that number in order to do their death estimates.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 05, 2020, 05:24:45 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/magazine/covid-drug-wars-doctors.html

An interesting article on research vs. treatment to find drugs that work for COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on August 05, 2020, 08:54:02 PM
Apparently hair loss is another side effect of covid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 06, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: charby on August 05, 2020, 08:54:02 PM
Apparently hair loss is another side effect of covid

OMG!!!1!!1

I've had it for decades!


On a side note. I was admitted to the hospital over 24 hours ago and have yet to be subjected to a covid test that requires brain tissue like the one I had before my shoulder surgery in June.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 06, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Do you have anymore brain tissue?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 06, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on August 06, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Do you have anymore brain tissue?

They seem to  have left enough  for.the mostly autonomous functions at least.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 06, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
I've had it for decades!


Conspiracy co-worker got it into his head that "we all have covid inside us, and they just have to activate it."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 06, 2020, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: fistful on August 06, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
Conspiracy co-worker got it into his head that "we all have covid inside us, and they just have to activate it."
You should get a new cell phone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 06, 2020, 08:02:35 PM
You should get a new cell phone.

 ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 06, 2020, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: fistful on August 06, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
???
There were conspiracy theories about 5G cell signals controlling COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 06, 2020, 08:04:53 PM
There were conspiracy theories about 5G cell signals controlling COVID.

Oh, those. He's a flip-phone guy. I could probably just tell him I got my phone upgraded to 5G, and it would have the same effect.

Actually, he's probably not into the 5G stuff, as that's a blame China sort of thing. That is not his bag. There was a customer in the store today saying that we made the virus here, and sent it to China for testing, and Conspiracy Bro readily agreed with him that this was well-known.

Also, he's all about Freemasons controlling the world right now.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 06, 2020, 08:21:05 PM
Well he has never been around a bunch of drunk freemasons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2020, 09:19:46 PM
Because I realize I made this inevitable:

https://youtu.be/dSpOjj4YD8c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 07, 2020, 07:22:08 AM
I got my new 5G phone basically just to piss off the conspiracy people...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 07, 2020, 07:30:34 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on August 07, 2020, 07:22:08 AM
I got my new 5G phone basically just to piss off the conspiracy people...

I thought it was because your Zionist master told you to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 07, 2020, 07:32:34 AM
Little from column A, little from column B.

It all works out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 07, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on August 07, 2020, 07:22:08 AM
I got my new 5G phone basically just to piss off the conspiracy people...

I'm keeping my 1998 vintage Nokia 5190. I haven't gotten so much as a sniffle from it.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on August 07, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
And by the way, in this county, by the numbers, you're almost as likely to be murdered, as die of/with "the 'Rona". 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Alyssa Milano tests positive and of course she's running her mouth off it's Trump's fault
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
Gov Andrew Cuomo built his COVID mountain 
https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1277632036002574337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
And does this crap

https://twitter.com/NickReisman/status/1282717828395737089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Alyssa Milano tests positive and of course she's running her mouth off it's Trump's fault

Best wishes if she actually had it, but there are some timelines out there that make it doubtful. Or else turn her into a mega grandma killer during the time she was accusing others of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 07, 2020, 04:08:34 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Alyssa Milano tests positive and of course she's running her mouth off it's Trump's fault

I hope she's not been letting Joe sniff her hair if she does have it. After all, she has no problem with Joe since she was able to successfully hypocrite her way past Tara Read...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on August 07, 2020, 05:21:21 PM
My kids' school is scheduled to start Sept 10th.  We learned today that it will be online learning, nothing in person, starting from day 1. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 07, 2020, 05:27:22 PM
Our pastor's wife is trying to figure out how to teach 2nd-graders to read on Zoom.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 07, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
A few things I noticed during my recent hospitalization.

No visitors. When I had my shoulder surgery on 6/15 my wife was allowed to wait in the surgical waiting room but she had to wear a mask even if there was no one else in there.

Maternity is allowed 1 visitor.

In all my experience with ambulatory surgical patients, mine and others, the first thing they do as soon as possible is get.your ass out of walk you up and down the halls. That is no longer happening at this hospital and I suspect most or all others. I think that is a very bad thing.
I asked my nurse about it and she politely declined to discuss it. I did get a grin I could see through her mask when I mentioned that I suspected it would all be over November 4th.

The hospital was mostly empty. I was wheeled passed the ICU ward and it appeared to be shuttered.

At least while I was conscious I was not administered a COVID test and it was not mentioned to me nor is ther any notes about it in my online records.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 07, 2020, 09:48:29 PM

In all my experience with ambulatory surgical patients, mine and others, the first thing they do as soon as possible is get.your ass out of walk you up and down the halls. That is no longer happening at this hospital and I suspect most or all others. I think that is a very bad thing.

Wow. I'm not a medical expert, but that does sound bad. After I think just three hours of bed rest, probably to make sure I was clear of anesthesia, I recall they came and bugged me like every hour to get up, grab my IV stand, and do a lap around halls. When I was in bed, they used those leg wraps to keep the blood flowing in my legs. They were really big on movement. I wonder if there will be side effects from keeping people laying in bed in their rooms to avoid COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 07, 2020, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 07, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Wow. I'm not a medical expert, but that does sound bad. After I think just three hours of bed rest, probably to make sure I was clear of anesthesia, I recall they came and bugged me like every hour to get up, grab my IV stand, and do a lap around halls. When I was in bed, they used those leg wraps to keep the blood flowing in my legs. They were really big on movement. I wonder if there will be side effects from keeping people laying in bed in their rooms to avoid COVID.

Bed sores and other circulatory problems .........
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on August 09, 2020, 01:09:23 AM
Interesting article about manipulating charts to appear to show the results you want, https://sentinelksmo.org/kdhe-doctored-a-covid-case-chart-to-justify-mask-mandates/?fbclid=IwAR3yG1Ukhih5RIf3hrHSMjxOfPuqcrFLMqTPGNwUDVm5XKf1wCmfS-N0AMI
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 09, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on August 07, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
I'm keeping my 1998 vintage Nokia 5190. I haven't gotten so much as a sniffle from it.  :old:

Woody

How the hell is that thing still operational? I thought the old analog phones went dead with the conversion to digital...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 09, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on August 09, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
How the hell is that thing still operational? I thought the old analog phones went dead with the conversion to digital...

It IS digital. I believe it was the first model to go digital. It is 2G. It works just fine, is real clear, and is only on its second battery. I guess Nokia built it too good!

I had to replace (solder in) a couple of salvaged battery contacts and in order to keep the battery/rear case in place, I put a couple of strips of epoxy along the seam where the battery attaches to the back of the phone. If I have to do any more surgery on it, it will be a simple matter of shaving off the epoxy. I didn't put epoxy in the seam, only across it. Soon, however, no one will support 2G and I'll have to bite the bullet and replace it. T-Mobile still supports 2G. I don't know who else supports it, but I do know that AT&T does not.

Woody

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 09, 2020, 12:38:52 PM
Sadly, I don't see it being supported for more than another year at best with the current trends in the wireless world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 09, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 09, 2020, 12:38:52 PM
Sadly, I don't see it being supported for more than another year at best with the current trends in the wireless world.

I guess I'll have to start another cash envelope, label it "Phone", and get prepared.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on August 10, 2020, 07:28:37 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on August 09, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
I guess I'll have to start another cash envelope, label it "Phone", and get prepared.

Woody

Plenty of used phones available, maybe even 3G Nokias.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 10, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
I guess this belongs in this thread. I just saw that the injuns in South Dakota are setting up roadblocks to stop bikers from going to Sturgis via roads that go through reservations. Apparently there are some big legal issues with this. If it were fed/state land, it seems it would be illegal to stop someone because they were on a motorcycle or because of the way they dressed, but let others through, all because of COVID.

Maybe they're turning everyone around, but the news snippet made it sound like just bikers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
^^^Interesting. I could see that as a sovereign nation, a reservation could certainly put up roadblocks/build a wall on their property and roads.  But a state or Federal highway going through the reservation, hmmm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 10, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on August 10, 2020, 07:28:37 AM
Plenty of used phones available, maybe even 3G Nokias.

I'll check into that. E-Bay maybe? Pawn shops?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 10, 2020, 12:25:36 PM
Try your cell service provider. They often have good quality older phones for a pittance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on August 11, 2020, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 10, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
I guess this belongs in this thread. I just saw that the injuns in South Dakota are setting up roadblocks to stop bikers from going to Sturgis via roads that go through reservations. Apparently there are some big legal issues with this. If it were fed/state land, it seems it would be illegal to stop someone because they were on a motorcycle or because of the way they dressed, but let others through, all because of COVID.

Maybe they're turning everyone around, but the news snippet made it sound like just bikers.

Didn't an Indian reservation do this elsewhere too sometime after Covid started?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 11, 2020, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
Gov Andrew Cuomo built his COVID mountain 
https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1277632036002574337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkS0TgEG30

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 12, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on August 10, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
I'll check into that. E-Bay maybe? Pawn shops?

Woody

About $40 gets you a gently used in great condition Casio Boulder on EBay. It’s what I got for my father when he needed a phone but didn’t want to join the smartphone world
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 13, 2020, 09:51:53 AM
Somewhat tangential, but there is a raging wildfire in CA right now displacing people from their homes. The Red Cross is refusing donation of vital items for the displaced because of the virus, and also not setting up shelters for the homeless because of COVID protocols.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/13/little-to-no-containment-firefighters-battling-10000-acre-wildfire-near-lake-hughes-ca-lakefire/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Chicken Wings. Cue the panic

Quote
Frozen chicken wings imported from Brazil to China tested positive for COVID-19, officials from the city of Shenzhen said.
Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/13/chicken-wings-test-positive-coronavirus-china/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 13, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Chicken Wings. Cue the panic
Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/13/chicken-wings-test-positive-coronavirus-china/

Chicken.....or Bat?  [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
More chicken news in the Age of COVID

Quote

Kentucky Fried Chicken is pulling its famous “It’s Finger Lickin’ Good” slogan from its campaigns. The slogan, which has been around for 64 years, is said to be going away “for a little while.” The exact length of time it will be gone has not been revealed.

“We find ourselves in a unique situation—having an iconic slogan that doesn’t quite fit in the current environment,” Catherine Tan-Gillespie, global chief marketing officer, said in a statement released on KFC’s website. “While we are pausing the use of It’s Finger Lickin’ Good, rest assured the food craved by so many people around the world isn’t changing one bit.”

I feel so much safer already, don't you?

KFC pulls ‘finger lickin’ good’ slogan because of COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/24/kfc-pulls-finger-lickin-good-slogan-because-covid-/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 25, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
They really think the COVID hysteria is going away at some point?  They should really gin up a different slogan as "Finger Lickin' Good" won't be coming back for years, if ever, especially if Biden wins in November.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 25, 2020, 05:29:40 PM
I don't get all the fuss. :old:

The CDC says the masks won't keep you from getting the disease, but will keep you from spreading it. Obviously, the masks only work one way, so, wear it backwards!  :facepalm:  =D

Woody

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 27, 2020, 01:18:04 AM
Internet Historian chronicles the kung flu.

https://youtu.be/P1FUMdHU29c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 27, 2020, 07:02:14 AM
"Finger Lickin' Good" won't be coming back for years, if ever, especially if Biden wins in November."

It will be replaced with "Hair Sniffin Good!"

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 27, 2020, 09:11:56 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on August 25, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
They really think the COVID hysteria is going away at some point?  They should really gin up a different slogan as "Finger Lickin' Good" won't be coming back for years, if ever, especially if Biden wins in November.
But if you wash your hands, what is the problem? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 27, 2020, 09:13:11 AM
Quote from: WLJ on August 13, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
Chicken Wings. Cue the panic
Chicken wings test positive for coronavirus in China
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/13/chicken-wings-test-positive-coronavirus-china/
Is that a problem with the chicken wings or does that just mean their testing sucks?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 27, 2020, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 27, 2020, 09:13:11 AM
Is that a problem with the chicken wings or does that just mean their testing sucks?

Yes, definitely.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 29, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
Interesting read

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/covid-19-immunity-is-the-pandemics-central-mystery/614956/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Alright, I've about had it with trying to figure out mask etiquette.

I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.

Today, after I guess a three week break, I was back at Tractor Supply. I was the only person NOT wearing a mask and was getting looks from everyone.

Also, a couple of days ago I was at the Harbor Freight there, and since my last visit, they had put up a giant sign about "absolutely no entrance without a mask".  I went back to my truck and got a mask. When I walked in, everyone had a mask on except the employee greeting people, who turned out to be the manager.

I don't know if between visits, Oregon started some new regs or something, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to chase not only ever-changing regulations, but also public perception of such. There is not only no rhyme or reason in the almost randomly changing regulations but also no rhyme or reason to when people are pro/anti masks.

I try to just go with the flow for whatever private business I enter since it's their property, but please people, make up your minds.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 29, 2020, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 29, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Alright, I've about had it with trying to figure out mask etiquette.

I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.

Today, after I guess a three week break, I was back at Tractor Supply. I was the only person NOT wearing a mask and was getting looks from everyone.

Also, a couple of days ago I was at the Harbor Freight there, and since my last visit, they had put up a giant sign about "absolutely no entrance without a mask".  I went back to my truck and got a mask. When I walked in, everyone had a mask on except the employee greeting people, who turned out to be the manager.

I don't know if between visits, Oregon started some new regs or something, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to chase not only ever-changing regulations, but also public perception of such. There is not only no rhyme or reason in the almost randomly changing regulations but also no rhyme or reason to when people are pro/anti masks.

I try to just go with the flow for whatever private business I enter since it's their property, but please people, make up your minds.


It might be worth wearing a bandana that you can pull up like a western movie bank robber when you need one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2020, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on August 29, 2020, 02:46:39 PM
It might be worth wearing a bandana that you can pull up like a western movie bank robber when you need one.

I've started just keeping a folded up paper one in my back pocket to keep from having to walk back to my vehicle if  I ended up reading the store wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 29, 2020, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 29, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Alright, I've about had it with trying to figure out mask etiquette.

I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.

Today, after I guess a three week break, I was back at Tractor Supply. I was the only person NOT wearing a mask and was getting looks from everyone.

Also, a couple of days ago I was at the Harbor Freight there, and since my last visit, they had put up a giant sign about "absolutely no entrance without a mask".  I went back to my truck and got a mask. When I walked in, everyone had a mask on except the employee greeting people, who turned out to be the manager.

I don't know if between visits, Oregon started some new regs or something, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to chase not only ever-changing regulations, but also public perception of such. There is not only no rhyme or reason in the almost randomly changing regulations but also no rhyme or reason to when people are pro/anti masks.

I try to just go with the flow for whatever private business I enter since it's their property, but please people, make up your minds.



Same issue.

I'm pretty sure the one commonality we all have after this year will be the stop and turn midway through the parking lot to get the damn mask that we left in the car.

I keep two in my purse, so usually I don't have to go back to my car unless I had left my purse in my car.

Maybe try keeping it in your back pocket?  =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2020, 06:51:25 PM
So I don't think we've discussed the "prepping" part of this thread for 100 pages or so. With many things being widely available again, have any of you made modifications to your prepping plans? Restocked stuff you ended up using? Adding new things? Changing quantities?

Talk seems to be revving up about Fall/Winter outbreaks as bad or worse than before. Whether that comes to pass in actuality, we know that thanks to the MSM, there will be a panic again regardless. I'll be curious to see what changes in "panic buying" occur, and if I have planned accordingly.

I rode through the lockdown with no real issues in my preps. I almost opened up some powdered milk and freeze dried potatoes, but both those ended up getting restocked in limited quantities just before I opened my supplies. After that (May maybe?), grocery stores were stocking enough of what I needed.

I didn't even go through 1/4 of my TP supply, and that is already restocked. I'm thinking there won't be as big an issue with TP if panic buying happens again. I think enough people panicked that enough people are sitting on enough of a supply that we don't hit that critical mass of hoarders outbuying supply. I did double my paper towel stores, since I actually almost ran out of those.

I did decide to increase my bottled water supply. Although as long as electricity flows, which is a high probability in a pandemic,  I can get RO water via my well, I figured it still wouldn't hurt to have a few extra cases of bottled water.

I've added extra soap and cleansers and alcohol and stuff, which I didn't have stocked in my preps prior to the virus. I just had enough of them around the house for day to day stuff, not shortage anticipation. I didn't have enough N95 masks, which I actually mostly use for various dusty jobs around the farm. I still haven't restocked them because prices are still too high. I sent most of those I had to my 93 year old dad, since masks make sense for him and his risk group.

I've stocked extra pet food.

I still need to get a small chest freezer and stock it with meat and veggies and stuff. I haven't checked lately, but they have been hard to find at reasonable prices. I need to start looking again and get one before Winter.

I need to increase my fuel stores some, and more importantly, keep the cans of gas and diesel and kerosene (for kerosene heaters) I have closer to full. The propane tank for the house just got topped off last week, but I should buy another 40lb cylinder to have on hand. I could still see a fuel shortage being a panic thing, even if it didn't happen last time.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 29, 2020, 08:04:45 PM
I have more toilet paper than I did in January.  A couple of packs in the attic.   =)

I need to go hunting for alcohol and stuff like that.  I haven't looked for it since it was cleaned out for a while.  I had started buying a small amount of long shelf life food every month last year.  I am trying to continue that as funds are available.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on August 29, 2020, 09:57:28 PM
Here's an interesting read on virus testing, and it's from the New York Times. http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/your-coronavirus-test-is-positive-maybe-it-shouldnt-be/ar-BB18uyA7?ocid=ientp
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 29, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
Local news not obeying the narrative in Florida.

https://cbs12.com/news/coronavirus/i-team-most-palm-beach-county-covid-deaths-cannot-be-attributed-to-covid-alone
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 29, 2020, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: freakazoid on August 29, 2020, 09:57:28 PM
Here's an interesting read on virus testing, and it's from the New York Times. http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/your-coronavirus-test-is-positive-maybe-it-shouldnt-be/ar-BB18uyA7?ocid=ientp

My wife tested positive, but everyone who had contact with her has tested negative. The only symptom she had was cough, but she was also working with someone that had bronchitis. My wife has had bronchitis a number of times in the past couple of years, and that's what she thought it was. I think she may have been right.

That article sounds right on to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 29, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
This should help clear things up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwxdwxi_ayA
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 29, 2020, 11:28:08 PM
Got it!    That sure cleared up numerous misperceptions I had.





Unfortunatly it  also gave me new ones.





 :facepalm:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 29, 2020, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 29, 2020, 02:43:58 PM

I think I've mentioned before that when I shop in Oregon (where they are more into masks than my part of Idaho) pretty much everyone wears them in the Home Depot and nobody wears them in the Tractor Supply. While I was figuring this all out earlier on, I wore my mask into Tractor Supply a couple of times and was one of only a couple people (including employees) wearing one, and everyone looked at me like I had a hole in my head. So I stopped wearing one there.


Interesting. I was in Tractor Supply yesterday. There was a large sign taped to the door, advising that everyone -- customers and staff -- must wear masks at all tims within the store. They had a "sanitation station" where customers who didn't have a mask could take one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on August 30, 2020, 03:47:38 AM
Quote from: fistful on August 29, 2020, 10:36:58 PM
My wife tested positive, but everyone who had contact with her has tested negative. The only symptom she had was cough, but she was also working with someone that had bronchitis. My wife has had bronchitis a number of times in the past couple of years, and that's what she thought it was. I think she may have been right.

That article sounds right on to me.

I remember reading somewhere that the tests would also trip on other things too, not just COVID-19. Don't remember any other details than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2020, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 29, 2020, 11:37:45 PM
Interesting. I was in Tractor Supply yesterday. There was a large sign taped to the door, advising that everyone -- customers and staff -- must wear masks at all tims within the store. They had a "sanitation station" where customers who didn't have a mask could take one.

Mine has had one of those signs since this started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2020, 08:50:46 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 29, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
This should help clear things up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwxdwxi_ayA
=D Very Good.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2020, 09:16:52 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 30, 2020, 08:50:46 AM
=D Very Good.  Thanks for sharing.

Very funny.  :laugh:

Interesting that according to the description, Google keeps deleting it. I guess even jokes are out of bounds.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 30, 2020, 02:12:28 PM
New information from the CDC, their weekly "Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics" report.
A very interesting paragraph right before table 3 in report:

"Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups."

Bolding is mine.
I sure hope I am misinterpreting the report.

The report is here:  https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm)
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2020, 11:30:41 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/
I was sent this a few minutes ago and came here to see if it was posted (and it was above).  I haven't had a chance to look at the information yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 30, 2020, 11:51:38 PM
See my post above yours, MechAg94.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 31, 2020, 07:44:56 AM
QFT

Quote
    Comorbidities

    Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

That 6% is among the ATTRIBUTED deaths, which we know was and is a massively overinflated number.

They've been telling us they were lying to us all along so I don't think this admission will change anything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2020, 09:08:12 AM
You have to use a workaround like reloading and stopping your browser to get past the VIP block, but interesting story on Peru.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/30/lockdown-success-story-peru-now-leads-the-world-in-per-capita-covid-19-deaths/

I wonder if they shut down and just went "normal" too fast, or what? Because it sounds like they were all isolating and then just went right back to business, which just means that they postponed the inevitability of infection instead of controlling the infection rate.

Anyway, the MSM has been telling me that the US is the hotspot and the worst country in the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on August 31, 2020, 09:12:02 AM
Quote
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
How does that compare to any other disease? Do people dying of cancer have ONLY cancer listed on their death cert?

If you get COVID when perfectly healthy and it gives you pneumonia & liver failure which eventually kill you, those will show up in cause of death too but it's COVID that did it. If you have a mild pre-existing condition (hypertension, obesity,  diabetes, etc.) that you've been living with perfectly well and COVID comes along and kills you, those will be listed too. Saying it only kills people with pre-existing conditions is not terribly reassuring when ~1/2 the country has a pre-existing condition.

As I've said before, you can look at the excess deaths and they match up pretty well with what the COVID numbers are. If the COVID deaths are "fake" then there just happened to be something else killing a lot more people right when COVID peaked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
Apropos of nothing at all:

In my Army Professional Development class this weekend we were discussing the difference between Data and Knowledge.  And how you can have a ton of Data and still not have any useful Knowledge.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 31, 2020, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: dogmush on August 31, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
Apropos of nothing at all:

In my Army Professional Development class this weekend we were discussing the difference between Data and Knowledge.  And how you can have a ton of Data and still not have any useful Knowledge.

Which is why despite my skepticism I've been going along with the sanitation theater and obedience training mask compliance.

The problem for me is that nearly every new data point that comes out seems to point to this being a massive overreaction to this particular virus.

And then of course the lies upon lies...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2020, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on August 30, 2020, 11:51:38 PM
See my post above yours, MechAg94.
I saw that.  I guess I did not say that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2020, 07:46:55 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on August 31, 2020, 09:12:02 AM
How does that compare to any other disease? Do people dying of cancer have ONLY cancer listed on their death cert?

If you get COVID when perfectly healthy and it gives you pneumonia & liver failure which eventually kill you, those will show up in cause of death too but it's COVID that did it. If you have a mild pre-existing condition (hypertension, obesity,  diabetes, etc.) that you've been living with perfectly well and COVID comes along and kills you, those will be listed too. Saying it only kills people with pre-existing conditions is not terribly reassuring when ~1/2 the country has a pre-existing condition.

As I've said before, you can look at the excess deaths and they match up pretty well with what the COVID numbers are. If the COVID deaths are "fake" then there just happened to be something else killing a lot more people right when COVID peaked.

Chuck was a friend and the father of a long time friend of mine.

He was in his 80's

He was a lifetime smoker with COPD.

He took a fall, went into the hospital got pneumonia, fought it off but they eventually sent him home, hospice.

He hung in there for a year, during which time Covid comes on the scene.

He took another tumble at home, goes to hospital, contracts pneumonia again.

He has specific instructions, no ventilator. He died.

They tested him and he comes up positive.

He is coded as a Covid -19 death.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 07:46:55 AM
Chuck was a friend and the father of a long time friend of mine.

He was in his 80's

He was a lifetime smoker with COPD.

He took a fall, went into the hospital got pneumonia, fought it off but they eventually sent him home, hospice.

He hung in there for a year, during which time Covid comes on the scene.

He took another tumble at home, goes to hospital, contracts pneumonia again.

He has specific instructions, no ventilator. He died.

They tested him and he comes up positive.

He is coded as a Covid -19 death.



Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?

The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.

But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on September 01, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?

The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.

But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.

That one word is a weasel word.

But NO, COVID is not very dangerous. It's mortality rate is dropping and was never all that high to begin with.

As we lacked the ability to test, we had no idea how widespread the disease was. As more data becomes available, it's pretty clear that, while deadlier than the flu (to older people), it has very little danger for otherwise healthy people.

Our country is overreacting. (As are most other countries, but even they recognize the folly of shutting down schools for a disease less dangerous to children than even a mild flu. New Zealand seems to be acting like this is the Andromeda strain, so at least one country is overreacting worse than the U.S. Yay.)

The overzealous authorities in the country are causing more deaths with these shutdowns. Livelihoods are being destroyed and people are avoiding (or being denied) medical care that is leading to deaths from lack of care.

We should protect the vulnerable and then allow this disease to finish its normal course through the population. IF the hospitals start to get overwhelmed, we can address that, but pretty clearly any such danger has LONG since passed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 01, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.
Only for certain values of "effectively halted" and "quarantine".

Yes, if you shut down all travel and brutally enforce an omniscient, absolute quarantine then you can stop it.  Until you let up even a little bit.

Anything less than absolute quarantine means you simply slow the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 01, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 07:46:55 AM
He is coded as a Covid -19 death.
It does sound like it was unfortunately Chuck's time to check-out, COVID or not.
So what if we ignore the coding? Can you still see an unusual spike in deaths?
Quote from: CDC Reported number of deaths from all causes
Week-ending Date:       April 8, 2017 Number of deaths:   55,267
Week-ending Date:       April 7, 2018 Number of deaths:   55,420
Week-ending Date:       April 13, 2019 Number of deaths: 55,625
Week-ending Date:       April 11, 2020 Number of deaths: 78,758

Quote from: makattak on September 01, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
The overzealous authorities in the country are causing more deaths with these shutdowns.
This is quite possible but I haven't seen much research to really support it. I'd love to see some if you have any, but I realize it's a hard thing to demonstrate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2020, 10:01:47 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?

The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.

But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.

I didn't say that.

It is a real world illustration of how the coding of the disease does not give an accurate picture by which to assess risk.

We have been fed BS and we are left with the precautionary principle as our best guide.

As time outs the BS it is looking like there has been a massive over reaction to a nasty bug.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on September 01, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
It does sound like it was unfortunately Chuck's time to check-out, COVID or not.
So what if we ignore the coding? Can you still see an unusual spike in deaths?This is quite possible but I haven't seen much research to really support it. I'd love to see some if you have any, but I realize it's a hard thing to demonstrate.

I haven't even disputed anything to do with the total deaths number.

Although a casual perusal shows the overall numbers do not show the hair on fire everyone is dying numbers the media is proclaiming.

How many more deaths do we have this year compared to previous years?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 01, 2020, 10:14:16 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
How many more deaths do we have this year compared to previous years?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Excess deaths since 2/1/2020
All causes: 183,392 - 245,305
Excluding COVID-19 attributed deaths: 29,987 - 82,049
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 01, 2020, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
I haven't even disputed anything to do with the total deaths number.
You have made the point (over and over and over again) that death cert coding data is inaccurate.
My point is that the total/excess deaths matches up pretty well with the coding data, which suggests that whatever inaccuracies are in there are not huge.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 01, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
The overall death rate is up, and covid is the obvious cause.  That may not be true, but it's likely so let's assume it is true.  But is it a direct cause (people dying of covid who would not have died otherwise), or is it indirect; people dying from other things because of the lockdowns?  I think it's both, but I don't know which is more.  The numbers don't mean much because there's both overreporting and underreporting going on at the same time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
Trying to find just the hard numbers of 2020 deaths to compare them with hard numbers of 2019 deaths is an act in futility.

I'll admit my googlefoo isn't that strong but all searches are swamped with covid numbers and "excess death" numbers.

Excess deaths appear to be deaths that weren't predicted by statisticians.

I don't really care about that but want to see hard numbers month to month and up to this point, all causes without a breakdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 01, 2020, 11:25:18 AM
Following daily numbers and statistics is mostly fallacious. Just as you can't say it rains 1/4 inch every day because it rains a total of 91 inches in a year, you can't logically say a spike in numbers one day or week is a trend and vice versa. It is nothing more than random happenstance.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on September 01, 2020, 11:25:18 AM
Following daily numbers and statistics is mostly fallacious. Just as you can't say it rains 1/4 inch every day because it rains a total of 91 inches in a year, you can't logically say a spike in numbers one day or week is a trend and vice versa. It is nothing more than random happenstance.

Woody

The total YTD numbers compared to previous years should theoretically show if there was an unusual spike in deaths or if it was comparable to bad flu years (not saying it is a flu).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 01, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
Trying to find just the hard numbers of 2020 deaths to compare them with hard numbers of 2019 deaths is an act in futility.
I don't really care about that but want to see hard numbers month to month and up to this point, all causes without a breakdown.

Most of the excess deaths reports should also include the "real" number. For example here (https://public.tableau.com/profile/dataviz8737#!/vizhome/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_08262020/WithAndWithoutWeighting) you can ignore the orange line and the light blue bars.
The actual number of reported deaths is the dark blue bars. It looks to me like more than just random happenstance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 01, 2020, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 01, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
I'll admit my googlefoo isn't that strong but all searches are swamped with covid numbers and "excess death" numbers.

Excess deaths appear to be deaths that weren't predicted by statisticians.

I don't really care about that but want to see hard numbers month to month and up to this point, all causes without a breakdown.
You're accidentally ignoring the very data you're looking for because the title seems misleading.  Below is a link to raw death data (all causes) broken down by week and state from 2017-2020.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Excess-Deaths-Associated-with-COVID-19/xkkf-xrst/data
Click on Export and then summarize at whatever resolution you prefer.

You can also see what a nasty flu season spike looks like in that data as the 2017-2018 flu season was pretty bad.  These are the data behind DittoHead's link.

Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on September 01, 2020, 11:25:18 AM
Following daily numbers and statistics is mostly fallacious. Just as you can't say it rains 1/4 inch every day because it rains a total of 91 inches in a year, you can't logically say a spike in numbers one day or week is a trend and vice versa. It is nothing more than random happenstance.
Look, I don't have a PhD in stats but I've used them professionally for many years.  Daily stats can be very useful in evaluating trends (for instance, it has been very interesting to follow the very low and steady daily death rate after the initial death spike hits an area despite massive increases in positive tests).  That said, I'm not sure you're really following the conversation here.  Who do you think is using daily stats to prove what?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 01, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?

The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin applied in the early stages.

But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.

FTFY.

Quarantine just delays the inevitable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on September 01, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
FTFY.

Quarantine just delays the inevitable.

Well, not entirely - it does seem to be limiting the spread. Places like New Zealand and Australia for example have far, far lower rates of infection than the US and on any projection that will continue to be true.

Halt was too strong a word though, that implies zero Infection which is unachievable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on September 02, 2020, 04:02:46 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Therefore, COVID isn’t very dangerous?

The statistics game continues. Looking at anything approaching a medical source, it is clear that COVID is a dangerous illness the spread of which is effectively halted by quarantine.

But someone somewhere has a mate on the internet or knows a guy who was really old and got coded as a COVID death, so scrub the medical sources.

Yes it is very dangerous. That is why everyone on the Disney Princess died. That is why everyone on the Theodore Roosevelt died. That's why millions of Japans largely elderly population died...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 02, 2020, 04:20:37 AM
Quote from: freakazoid on September 02, 2020, 04:02:46 AM
Yes it is very dangerous. That is why everyone on the Disney Princess died. That is why everyone on the Theodore Roosevelt died. That's why millions of Japans largely elderly population died...

What percentage had serious complications, hospitalisation, died, and how many other people got sick as a result of those sick people and themselves suffered serious complications?

It’s highly infectious and seems to cause serious illness and death at far higher rates than any other disease currently endemic on the same scale.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
I don't know that Trump personally has involvement with this, as the headline alludes, but I think it is bad for his administration. You might get renter votes, but since this has zero mention of mortgage relief, you're gonna get a lot of small landlords sitting at home on voting day.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/02/trump-administration-moves-to-halt-evictions-with-new-cdc-edict/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on September 02, 2020, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 02, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
I don't know that Trump personally has involvement with this, as the headline alludes, but I think it is bad for his administration. You might get renter votes, but since this has zero mention of mortgage relief, you're gonna get a lot of small landlords sitting at home on voting day.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/02/trump-administration-moves-to-halt-evictions-with-new-cdc-edict/

So no one in the country has to pay rent for the rest of the year?  Am I understanding this correctly?

Well, that is both idiotic and illegal…. ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 02, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
Well I am a landlord, as I think I've mentioned before.

From my end, if my rent checks stop coming (or become smaller) without some damn good prior communication and excuse, then I would just smile and nod, and serve eviction papers on Jan 1.

That said, I have found that being a landlord, like any longterm business relationship,  requires a little effort on my part to make sure that the relationship flourishes.  I also, as the owner of a single rental property,  can and do exercise a lot of caution before choosing someone to rent to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
Orange Vaccine Bad
Quote
The timeline raised concern among public health experts about an “October surprise” — a vaccine approval driven by political considerations ahead of a presidential election, rather than science.

If it wasn't a election year they would be screaming Trump held it up

CDC tells states: Be ready to distribute vaccines on Nov. 1
https://www.wave3.com/2020/09/02/cdc-tells-states-be-ready-distribute-vaccines-nov/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2020, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 02, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
Well I am a landlord, as I think I've mentioned before.

I was a landlord, and like you I tried to carefully choose tenants. Still, that's not a guarantee when stuff like this becomes law (which is one of the reasons I stopped being a California landlord).

I understand hard times and would have no problem working with a tenant, but this lowest common denominator stuff that gives tenants carte blanche is ridiculous.

Even if a landlord doesn't have a mortgage, for many of them, especially older, retired people, the rent might be a majority of their income. It's unfair to simply give everything to the tenant and nothing to the landlord. Especially if the tenant might be some millennial telecommuter who is actually still being paid. I didn't see (there might be) anything in this plan to check tenant incomes affected by covid.

To me, this is just another step towards "property is evil". And eventually, as  I have harped on in the past, the only result of stuff like this is small, independent landlords that tenants could have a relationship with, saying, "screw this". Those tenants can then deal with housing shortages and corporate landlords with lots of lawyers on staff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 03, 2020, 08:40:57 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 02, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
I don't know that Trump personally has involvement with this, as the headline alludes
I don't think he gets to claim ignorance on this.
Quote from: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-stop-evictions-protect-americans-homes-covid-19-pandemic/
I want to make it unmistakably clear that I’m protecting people from evictions.
-President Donald J. Trump
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MikeB on September 03, 2020, 09:14:47 PM
As for the CDC Eviction thing. I would agree it is probably not in the end legal. I would also agree it is probably a bad policy. However this was part of the bills they were trying to pass in Congress. I would have hoped there was also some answers for landlords in that potential legislation.

I get what Trump is trying to do, with the Dems doing everything they can to avoid helping anyone while demanding everyone stay home he is left with few options. Many Republicans are just as guilty here too. I think this may fall under good intentions are not always good policy, but do we really want more people just thrown out on the streets? Obviously something needs to be done for landlords too, but I think as long as many people can’t fully work options are limited.

What I think they should have done was told banks awhile ago that all mortgages and loans are suspended and will have the extra months tacked on to the end of the term. This would have alleviated a lot of this from landlord and homeowner side. Then they could have done something for renters. The banks have been helped enough recently they should be able to weather it and could be helped again. Landlords they really required it could have been helped too.

Or they could have not shut down it all down at all. We know that was mostly a Dem/Media forced thing though. They thought it would help them beat Trump. I supposed some ‘socia distancing’ or what not may have been required, but this whole thing was probably overdone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 07, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
I just had several brain cells jump ship
Please tell me this is parody

Quote
   The #COVID19 pandemic is demonstrating what we all know: millennia of patriarchy have resulted in a male-dominated world with a male-dominated culture which damages everyone – women, men, girls & boys.

    — @antonioguterres https://t.co/ppSUGLr2Wx pic.twitter.com/krT6HkQil6

    — United Nations (@UN) September 6, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/07/can-we-defund-them-now-u-n-says-the-covid19-pandemic-demonstrates-that-the-patriarchy-damages-everyone/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
Quote
    Trump is objectively pro-Covid.

    — Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) September 8, 2020

Ooookay

Richard Grenell has a couple of objectively good questions after Chris Hayes declares that ‘Trump is objectively pro-Covid’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/08/richard-grenell-has-a-couple-of-objectively-good-questions-after-chris-hayes-declares-that-trump-is-objectively-pro-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 08, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: De Selby on September 01, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
Places like New Zealand and Australia for example have far, far lower rates of infection than the US and on any projection that will continue to be true.
Go Australian lockdown enforcement!
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/pregnant-mom-arrested-for-facebook-post-planning-lockdown-protest/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2020, 08:45:14 PM
Still two months to the election. I fear the stupid is going to get even worse

Quote
    Gov. Andrew Cuomo: "Donald Trump caused the COVID outbreak in New York. Donald Trump caused the COVID outbreak in New York." pic.twitter.com/KVoz89xYQW

    — The Hill (@thehill) September 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/08/can-we-get-a-fact-check-andrew-cuomo-says-its-a-fact-that-donald-trump-caused-the-covid-outbreak-in-new-york-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 08, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
Go Australian lockdown enforcement!
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/pregnant-mom-arrested-for-facebook-post-planning-lockdown-protest/

 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf)

 https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases (https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases)


And a comparison:   https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)



COUNTRY   CONFIRMED  DEATHS     CASE/          DEATHS/100k
                                                      FATALITY

US           6,300,622      189,208        3.0%           57.83

Australia   26,373       770             2.9%            3.08




Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 08, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Yes, totalitarianism can be effective!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on September 08, 2020, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-8-september-2020.pdf)

 https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases (https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases)


And a comparison:   https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)



COUNTRY   CONFIRMED  DEATHS     CASE/          DEATHS/100k
                                                      FATALITY

US           6,300,622      189,208        3.0%           57.83

Australia   26,373       770             2.9%            3.08

And tell me what is the population density of the Great Down-Under compared to America?

One thing I note, within America;  New York City is very densely populated,  and was very hard hit by The Andromeda Strain I mean covid19 (*sigh*  did it again ... my error)  while Midwest states suffered much less.

You don't think population density could be a big factor?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 08, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Yes, totalitarianism can be effective!

Preventing the spread of plagues with basic public health measures isn’t totalitarianism anymore than mandating food safety storage and practices.

Where were all these people when the war on terror was resulting in people being disappeared to secret prisons without trial? Or warrantless recording of the entire internet? Why is COVID less scary than terrorism?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on September 08, 2020, 10:56:45 PM
And tell me what is the population density of the Great Down-Under compared to America?

One thing I note, within America;  New York City is very densely populated,  and was very hard hit by The Andromeda Strain I mean covid19 (*sigh*  did it again ... my error)  while Midwest states suffered much less.

You don't think population density could be a big factor?

The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column.  So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2020, 12:21:21 AM
Australia doesn't have Fredo's brother.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 09, 2020, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:52:55 PM
Preventing the spread of plagues with basic public health measures isn’t totalitarianism anymore than mandating food safety storage and practices.
The question is not whether a government should address the spread of disease. The question is whether there are any human rights which trump the government’s convenience.

It is a good reminder that no matter how seemingly normal a nation might seem to Americans, fundamental things such as freedom of speech, peaceably assembling, or petitioning one’s government can be criminalized at the whim of a politician.  I am glad you love your adopted country, although at times it seems you love it for its flaws, not in spite of them.

Do feel free to try and find my alleged defenses of the PATRIOT act.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on September 09, 2020, 03:46:27 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column.  So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia

That's per 100k of total population, not population density.

"Preventing the spread of plagues with basic public health measures isn’t totalitarianism anymore than mandating food safety storage and practices. "

Let's stop the spread of AIDS by implementing the public health measures of executing everyone with it. It's not totalitarianism because it's a public health measure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 09, 2020, 05:28:26 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column.  So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia

That's not what he asked, and I suspect you know it.

Australian population density:  8.28 people/ sq mi
US population density: 92.9 people/sq mi.

Australia's denseist populated city, Melbourne does have one small area (they call them SA2 in the official aussie site) that has 45,302 people/ sq mi, but that still trails Manhattan's 66,940 people/ sq mi.

And yes, population density has a lot to do with disease spread, as well as the efficacy of any social distancing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on September 09, 2020, 10:21:27 AM
Quote from: De Selby on September 08, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
The deaths per 100k head of population is in the last column.  So that’s just over 57 per hundred thousand in the USA, and just over 3 per hundred thousand in Australia

"Deaths per hundred thousand" is not POPULATION DENSITY.   Population density  is x number of people per square mile.

EDIT:  Oooops, Dogmush and freakazoid beat me to the punch. ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2020, 12:41:04 PM
Interesting dichotomy regarding the Sturgis rally.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/09/who-didnt-see-this-coming-reason-dismantles-study-the-msm-is-running-with-showing-the-sturgis-rally-may-have-caused-250000-new-coronavirus-cases/

Both the infection numbers and cost reported by the MSM were already eyebrow-raising. The actual reported infection numbers make them even more outrageous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 09, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
The liars continually call positive testing for anti-bodies "cases".

They are liars.

Cases IIRC, are technically active infections in people demonstrating symptoms.

Another CASE of BS numbers.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 09, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: Ron on September 09, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
The liars continually call positive testing for anti-bodies "cases".

They are liars.

Cases IIRC, are technically active infections in people demonstrating symptoms.

Another CASE of BS numbers.


What is the motive for all the lies?  ???  (they are lies, I'm not questioning that, just wondering why)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 09, 2020, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on September 09, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
What is the motive for all the lies?  ???  (they are lies, I'm not questioning that, just wondering why)

No idea.

Usually you follow the money and that tells you something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: freakazoid on September 09, 2020, 11:58:54 PM
I wonder how this will start affecting things down the line.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sailors-trapped-by-covid-19-fight-exhaustion-and-despair/ar-BB18QGE8?ocid=ientp
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on September 10, 2020, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on September 09, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
What is the motive for all the lies?  ???  (they are lies, I'm not questioning that, just wondering why)

To ratchet the fear level up to 11.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 17, 2020, 12:26:29 AM
NYC restaurants can add 10% ‘COVID-19 Recovery Charge’ to customers’ bills
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/nyc-restaurants-covid-recovery-charge-bill-passed
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: WLJ on September 17, 2020, 12:26:29 AM
NYC restaurants can add 10% ‘COVID-19 Recovery Charge’ to customers’ bills
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/nyc-restaurants-covid-recovery-charge-bill-passed

That's an interesting way for government to slide in a tax increase to pay for government bumbling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 17, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on September 17, 2020, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on September 17, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

How dare you question our motives! the science on COVID!  We are all at risk no matter where we go or what we do!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2020, 02:15:00 PM
Here's what the dems are doing regarding COVID right now:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/17/house-dems-take-a-break-from-playing-games-with-covid19-relief-to-lead-the-charge-against-covid19-related-anti-asian-sentiment/

One of the best comments was asking what the dems plan on doing regarding anti-asian sentiment at Harvard, Yale, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 17, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: WLJ
NYC restaurants can add 10% ‘COVID-19 Recovery Charge’ to customers’ bills
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/nyc-restaurants-covid-recovery-charge-bill-passed
That's an interesting way for government to slide in a tax increase to pay for government bumbling.

I don't see it as a tax increase -- the money doesn't go to the city, and it's an optional "surcharge." My question is, if a restaurant has fixed costs (such as rent, utilities, payroll, etc.) and aren't allowed to fill as many seats, simple economics would suggest that they have to charge more for the meals they serve if they want to at least break even. Why do they need to government to tell them they can charge more? Does NYC have food price controls, like they have rent controls?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
That's an interesting way for government to slide in a tax increase to pay for government bumbling.


I don't see it as a tax increase -- the money doesn't go to the city, and it's an optional "surcharge." My question is, if a restaurant has fixed costs (such as rent, utilities, payroll, etc.) and aren't allowed to fill as many seats, simple economics would suggest that they have to charge more for the meals they serve if they want to at least break even. Why do they need to government to tell them they can charge more? Does NYC have food price controls, like they have rent controls?

I should have been clearer. You're right of course, that it's not a tax. I'm looking at it as a way for gov to get themselves out of trouble. The city/county implemented controls that pretty much put many places out or near out of business.

While I normally don't like to see people going to the gov with their hands out, in the case of covid, the gov caused a lot of business pain by mandate with an "or else!". I wouldn't be opposed to people seeking redress for that, even if it's my tax dollars paying for it. in this case, it seems the city has washed its hands of things and has now put the onus (and potential hate by customers) on restaurants regarding recouping costs incurred due to government edict.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 18, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Stop speaking English! It's for the children!

Quote
    New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19.https://t.co/VQokTMKNhT pic.twitter.com/TVeoCN0OkL

    — Forbes Science (@ForbesScience) September 9, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/

Why Speaking English May Spread More Coronavirus Than Other Languages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3664556426&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesScience#3011d3c36eea
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2020, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 18, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Stop speaking English! It's for the children!
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/

Why Speaking English May Spread More Coronavirus Than Other Languages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3664556426&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesScience#3011d3c36eea

I guess they've never seen a mad Italian.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 18, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 18, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Stop speaking English! It's for the children!
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/try-not-to-get-burned-when-handling-this-hot-take-about-why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/

Why Speaking English May Spread More Coronavirus Than Other Languages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3664556426&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesScience#3011d3c36eea

Welp! Just tell us which words are bad so we won't use them!  :old:

HEY! Maybe if we all switch to one of the softer spoken languages, we wouldn't have to wear masks!!!  :facepalm:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 18, 2020, 02:18:35 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on September 18, 2020, 01:58:59 PM

HEY! Maybe if we all switch to one of the softer spoken languages, we wouldn't have to wear masks!!!  :facepalm:


Esperanto, anyone?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 18, 2020, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 18, 2020, 01:53:26 PM
I guess they've never seen a mad Italian.

Or German
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on September 18, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 18, 2020, 02:21:08 PM
Or German

I've been wondering for a while if there is a difference between languages that way. I'm glad somebody thought to research it. I know in Japan part of their COVID mitigation involves telling people to talk quietly indoors, which I haven't heard anywhere else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 18, 2020, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on September 18, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Welp! Just tell us which words are bad so we won't use them!  :old:


Please don't give the statists ideas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/19/flyover-folks-sideline-coronavirus-bureaucrats-to-enjoy-classic-car-show/

Precis: Boomer is accustomed to hosting semi-annual car shows. Boomer is swamped with super-helpful requirements for putting on said show in the Age of Kung Flu. Boomer decides it just ain't worth it, and gives up he doesn't have the resources to comply with such, so he skips the permit, and just does the car show as usual. Happiness ensues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 22, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that fast food joints are actually making more money right now. Anyone else hearing this?

I guess it makes sense, as people aren't patronizing dine-in-only restaurants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2020, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on September 22, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that fast food joints are actually making more money right now. Anyone else hearing this?

I guess it makes sense, as people aren't patronizing dine-in-only restaurants.

I can see that. I would patronize sit-down restaurants, but it's too much of a pain in the ass for me. Usually I will do a sit-down at lunch if I have to run into Boise for other stuff. Get my stuff done, then head downtown for lunch and a beer.  I made it a habit to try and rotate through and visit different places, but now you have to make freakin' reservations - even at lunch - instead of walking in.

I was even gonna do that last time I was in Boise, but pulling Yelp out before I left didn't show an available reservation until the next day. For lunch (maybe because of social distancing space). So I said "screw this" and just stopped at my local diner on my way home.

I also had new tires put on at Costco last week and was gonna just go to lunch while I waited for the tires. Once again pulled out Yelp, and only one (Dickey's BBQ) of a dozen locations in walking distance was open for dine-in. Everything else that is usually dine-in was take-out only.  Dickey's was empty except for me and one family.

With all that, fast food is the easiest option for me, other than eating at my three local places, which are all business as usual.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on September 22, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 22, 2020, 04:45:27 PM
I can see that. I would patronize sit-down restaurants, but it's too much of a pain in the ass for me. Usually I will do a sit-down at lunch if I have to run into Boise for other stuff. Get my stuff done, then head downtown for lunch and a beer.  I made it a habit to try and rotate through and visit different places, but now you have to make freakin' reservations - even at lunch - instead of walking in.

I was even gonna do that last time I was in Boise, but pulling Yelp out before I left didn't show an available reservation until the next day. For lunch (maybe because of social distancing space). So I said "screw this" and just stopped at my local diner on my way home.

I also had new tires put on at Costco last week and was gonna just go to lunch while I waited for the tires. Once again pulled out Yelp, and only one (Dickey's BBQ) of a dozen locations in walking distance was open for dine-in. Everything else that is usually dine-in was take-out only.  Dickey's was empty except for me and one family.

With all that, fast food is the easiest option for me, other than eating at my three local places, which are all business as usual.

I don’t trust yelp, usually that info is out of date. I call the establishment if it shows no available reservations or need reservations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: charby on September 22, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
I don’t trust yelp, usually that info is out of date. I call the establishment if it shows no available reservations or need reservations.

At least for the restaurants/pubs I frequent, yelp sends you to the establishment's website for reservations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on September 22, 2020, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 22, 2020, 04:45:27 PM
I can see that. I would patronize sit-down restaurants, but it's too much of a pain in the ass for me. Usually I will do a sit-down at lunch if I have to run into Boise for other stuff. Get my stuff done, then head downtown for lunch and a beer.  I made it a habit to try and rotate through and visit different places, but now you have to make freakin' reservations - even at lunch - instead of walking in.

I was even gonna do that last time I was in Boise, but pulling Yelp out before I left didn't show an available reservation until the next day. For lunch (maybe because of social distancing space). So I said "screw this" and just stopped at my local diner on my way home.

I also had new tires put on at Costco last week and was gonna just go to lunch while I waited for the tires. Once again pulled out Yelp, and only one (Dickey's BBQ) of a dozen locations in walking distance was open for dine-in. Everything else that is usually dine-in was take-out only.  Dickey's was empty except for me and one family.

With all that, fast food is the easiest option for me, other than eating at my three local places, which are all business as usual.

There's a reason for that.  I've quit eating at Dickey's when I visit family in Oregon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on September 22, 2020, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: fistful on September 22, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that fast food joints are actually making more money right now. Anyone else hearing this?

I guess it makes sense, as people aren't patronizing dine-in-only restaurants.
.

I don't doubt it at all.  For the first time during the lockdown I started using drive through to grab burgers & fries.  And fairly often too. 

I have gone to Cracker Barrel several times and a Longhorn's once (a steak & potatoes place,  but really good).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2020, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on September 22, 2020, 06:08:27 PM
There's a reason for that.  I've quit eating at Dickey's when I visit family in Oregon.

Yeah, they are mediocre at best, but were all that was available for a sit down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2020, 07:12:50 AM
Since this mess started back in March I've gotten carry out from my favorite Chinese place near my house twice and Domino's once (ugh).

I normally only hit face food places when I'm heading down to, or coming back from, Castle Key's place. There's a town about half way that's a good stopping point to pee and get something quick to eat. Normally BK because it's right next to the Sheetz for gas, and the McD's, last time I tried to stop there, was drive through only.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on September 23, 2020, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on September 23, 2020, 07:12:50 AM
Since this mess started back in March I've gotten carry out from my favorite Chinese place near my house twice and Domino's once (ugh).

I normally only hit face food places when I'm heading down to, or coming back from, Castle Key's place. There's a town about half way that's a good stopping point to pee and get something quick to eat. Normally BK because it's right next to the Sheetz for gas, and the McD's, last time I tried to stop there, was drive through only.

BK over Sheetz MTO stuff?

Heathen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 24, 2020, 06:59:58 AM
BK is FAR faster when I have a dog waiting for me in the car.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 25, 2020, 12:31:16 PM
I forgot my lunch at home this morning so I decided to hit a Chinese restaurant near my office that a couple of coworkers like.

When I walked in they immediately did a forehead temperature scan. Ok...

I ordered the crispy beef combination lunch. Not had crispy beef in years.

The egg roll was meh.

The fried rice was... OK meh.

The crispy beef was good. Not great, but good.

I should have remembered my sandwich.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 25, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-really-a-chinese-bioweapon/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 25, 2020, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: fistful on September 25, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-really-a-chinese-bioweapon/

Now now... Facebook's fact checkers assure us that that's nothing by neckbeard conspiracy theories...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 25, 2020, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: fistful on September 25, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/is-the-wuhan-coronavirus-really-a-chinese-bioweapon/

First paragraph of article:
Quote
After nearly one year, questions remain unanswered about whether the Chinese coronavirus was natural or man-made and whether its release into the world was accidental or malicious.

Man-made, and accidental.

Is this still really a question?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on September 25, 2020, 09:18:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on September 24, 2020, 06:59:58 AM
BK is FAR faster when I have a dog waiting for me in the car.

Your dog wants Sheetz MTO quesadilla...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 29, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Andiron on September 25, 2020, 09:18:13 PM
Your dog wants Sheetz MTO quesadilla...

She wants a lot of things, most of which she's not getting.

But she's happy with a chunk of BK chicken sandwich.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2020, 05:14:49 PM
Conspiracy Coworker's new obsession is that we'll all be forced to take Bill Gate's vaccine.

(obviously, Bill Gates started this whole thing to sell the vaccine he's been sitting on - obviously)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 29, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
Not the first version of that I've heard...

One was "government plot to give us a vaccine that contains trackers and microchips that they can use to control our minds.

That was the plot of a murder mystery/thriller I read years ago.

A BADLY written and plotted one.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 29, 2020, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on September 29, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
Not the first version of that I've heard...

One was "government plot to give us a vaccine that contains trackers and microchips that they can use to control our minds.

That was the plot of a murder mystery/thriller I read years ago.

A BADLY written and plotted one.





You missed the part about the UV dye to mark who has had it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2020, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on September 29, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
Not the first version of that I've heard...

One was "government plot to give us a vaccine that contains trackers and microchips that they can use to control our minds.

That was the plot of a murder mystery/thriller I read years ago.

A BADLY written and plotted one.

CC's version sometimes includes the chip.

The fun part is, since I'm not opposed to getting a vaccine, I'm just a good little sheep, ready to do whatever they want me to do. Baaaaaa.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 29, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
It's been done before; I think I previously mentioned that was a subplot in the X-Files. (smallpox vaccine)  ((there were so many subplots in the X-Files))  But now they've had 30 years to perfect it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on September 29, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Just think about when they put the chip in where they have to shove the batteries?   :O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 29, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SVNewsAlerts/status/1311021597126467591
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 30, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
Down in Orlando, FL now. Everybody down here is a scared little bitch. Don’t wear a mask into a store and you get bitched out by the staff. We went to Disney World yesterday, having to wear a mask all day sucked. Ironic that the mask use is so religious among dumbasses who’s driving habits are far more likely to kill them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 30, 2020, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on September 29, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Just think about when they put the chip in where they have to shove the batteries?   :O

Sorry, all my orifices are spoken for.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 01, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on September 30, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
Ironic that the mask use is so religious among dumbasses

Or "political theater".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/01/doh-tom-wolf-and-rep-wendy-ullman-caught-on-hot-mic-saying-the-quiet-part-about-wearing-masks-out-loud-watch/

I'm still  complaining that I can't keep up with where to wear a mask and where not to. My default is not wearing one, but to alleviate problems, I just wear one in places where everyone does, or avoid the establishment. In the last couple of months, I've gone into the same stores where everyone was wearing a mask, then next time almost no one was, then next time almost everyone was again.

Then if I go into a place wearing a mask where it's like 50/50 mask /no mask, I get self-conscious about removing mine after I enter the store and end up keeping it on. Then last week, I pulled into a place and saw a couple of people coming out maskless, so left mine in the car, then ended up being the only one in there without a mask on.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 01, 2020, 11:46:41 AM
Keep it in your pocket.   :police: ......  [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
^^^This is why, consistent with Washington state law, I am wearing a mask any time I go into a place of business.  It makes it easier to keep track.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 01, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
I wear a mask simply because I live in Northern Virginia, where herds of Karens run rampant across the landscape...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

PRIORITIES: Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s Corona Destroyer outfit is ‘the cringiest thing I’ve ever seen’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/01/priorities-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoots-corona-destroyer-outfit-is-the-cringiest-thing-ive-ever-seen/

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1311746097447137283?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2020, 05:15:44 PM
She probably had someone on her staff gin that up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 01, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
Or "political theater".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/01/doh-tom-wolf-and-rep-wendy-ullman-caught-on-hot-mic-saying-the-quiet-part-about-wearing-masks-out-loud-watch/

I'm still  complaining that I can't keep up with where to wear a mask and where not to. My default is not wearing one, but to alleviate problems, I just wear one in places where everyone does, or avoid the establishment. In the last couple of months, I've gone into the same stores where everyone was wearing a mask, then next time almost no one was, then next time almost everyone was again.

Then if I go into a place wearing a mask where it's like 50/50 mask /no mask, I get self-conscious about removing mine after I enter the store and end up keeping it on. Then last week, I pulled into a place and saw a couple of people coming out maskless, so left mine in the car, then ended up being the only one in there without a mask on.  :laugh:

I don't understand why being the only one without a mask would bother you. I mean, I feel self-conscious about it at times, but not enough to put one on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 01, 2020, 06:31:21 PM
Whenever I wear a mask, it is my home made one. The elastic that goes around my ears is attached about 1/4 inch apart at the top of the mask.The mask will stay up upon my nose but does not interfere with my breathing. I've received kudos when wearing it.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 01, 2020, 06:35:46 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 01, 2020, 05:21:18 PM
I don't understand why being the only one without a mask would bother you. I mean, I feel self-conscious about it at times, but not enough to put one on.

It didn't bother me. I just said  I ended up being the only person there without one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
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White House adviser Hope Hicks has tested positive for COVID-19 after traveling with President Trump to a rally in Duluth, Minn.

Hicks, who serves as counselor to the president, traveled with him aboard Air Force One to Tuesday night’s debate and to his rally in Minnesota the following day.

She tested positive Thursday, according to an administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private health information.

White House aide Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-aide-hope-hicks-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2020, 11:35:26 PM
Trump, first lady begin the 'quarantine process' after Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-awaiting-results-of-covid-test-after-top-aide-is-infected-he-tells-sean-hannity
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2020, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: WLJ on October 01, 2020, 11:35:26 PM
Trump, first lady begin the 'quarantine process' after Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-awaiting-results-of-covid-test-after-top-aide-is-infected-he-tells-sean-hannity

I was just talking to a guy that quarantined for 8 weeks, after he and every other member of the household tested positive, one after another. There's a lot of people in the White House. Trump may have to stay there for 224-1/2 weeks.

https://planetcalc.com/7741/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 02, 2020, 02:46:10 AM
Trump and Melania have both tested positive for coronavirus.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-trump-idUSKBN26N0KD

The despicable leftists are chortling. They seem to be hoping that Trump will die.

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Oops -- already being discussed here: http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=63043.0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 02, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
"The despicable leftists are chortling. They seem to be hoping that Trump will die."

Of course they are. But their death wishes are wrapped in patriotism.

If this had happened on Obama's watch and the right were harboring similar sentiments it would be racist and treasonous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:10 AM
Quote from: fistful on October 01, 2020, 11:48:00 PM
I was just talking to a guy that quarantined for 8 weeks, after he and every other member of the household tested positive, one after another. There's a lot of people in the White House. Trump may have to stay there for 224-1/2 weeks.

https://planetcalc.com/7741/
Nice.   :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 02, 2020, 02:09:14 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50401955968_2236d546d4_o_d.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 02, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 02, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
When do they get to the Elmer poster?  I've been watching for 45 minutes, waiting for the punchline.  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 02, 2020, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 02, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
When do they get to the Elmer poster?  I've been watching for 45 minutes, waiting for the punchline.  ;)

Keep watching, it pops up at around the 3 hour mark.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on October 02, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
I thought it was 3 hour 15 minute point. Must have lost track of time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 04, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
(https://yt3.ggpht.com/MKcz7ukTjTUEH02FCsql1CrnVHuHwQeFpaBzuALqBvTsk0np9kSXKK6iZ1O2TG8y1tL7M-YqJHKajA=s1024-nd)

You're not allowed to paddle half a canoe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 04, 2020, 09:58:13 PM
No Fun Zone
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 04, 2020, 10:27:48 PM
Montreal kind of sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 04, 2020, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on October 04, 2020, 10:27:48 PM
Montreal kind of sucks.


You can still have a spoon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2020, 07:38:28 AM
Montreal does suck, but mainly because the people are such aholes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 05, 2020, 08:04:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 05, 2020, 07:38:28 AM
Montreal does suck, but mainly because the people are such aholes.

Well, they are French* so....






*French in attitude if not nationality
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 05, 2020, 09:21:37 AM
Well, that's horrifying...

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In a primary school in Yhang, China, 130 students were exposed to UV-C disinfection lamp for five hours and many suffered burns to their eyes and skin.

The cause of the mishap was human error: the onsite electrician mistakenly turned on the lamps in three classrooms following a power failure.

In the Philippines last week, a UV-C robot named Keno mingled with members of the media while energised, resulting in a number of journalists requiring medical treatment.

https://www.luxreview.com/2020/10/01/uv-c-accidents-highlight-need-for-caution/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on October 05, 2020, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: fistful on October 05, 2020, 09:21:37 AM
Well, that's horrifying...

https://www.luxreview.com/2020/10/01/uv-c-accidents-highlight-need-for-caution/
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In a primary school in Yhang, China, 130 students were exposed to UV-C disinfection lamp for five hours and many suffered burns to their eyes and skin.

The cause of the mishap was human error: the onsite electrician mistakenly turned on the lamps in three classrooms following a power failure.

In the Philippines last week, a UV-C robot named Keno mingled with members of the media while energised, resulting in a number of journalists requiring medical treatment.

Well, the first part is.

In the second, the robot should have been equipped with a phased plasma rife in the 40 watt range.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 05, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: makattak on October 05, 2020, 09:32:08 AM


Well, the first part is.

In the second, the robot should have been equipped with a phased plasma rife in the 40 watt range.

Not wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 05, 2020, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on October 05, 2020, 08:04:02 AM
Well, they are French* so....






*French in attitude if not nationality

One of my favorite movie quotes from the otherwise forgettable Vertical limit:

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Don't mind her. She's French-Canadian. Some days she's Canadian. Can be quite pleasant. Today she's obviously French.

Holds SO TRUE for the Quebecois snowbirds who will be rolling south next month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 08, 2020, 09:30:23 AM
Regarding testing methodology, I found this local story interesting. John Hopkins has Idaho at #2 for positive covid cases, but the state epidemiologist has us a good deal lower based on the data used for the calculation:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/contrary-to-johns-hopkins-report-idaho-reports-9-covid-positivity-rate-not-23/277-89714b48-ea48-42f7-8cd1-ffce104bb301
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 09, 2020, 09:33:24 PM
The sign didn't say you can't run around naked!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 12, 2020, 07:28:28 PM
First US case of re-infection with COVID confirmed. Well, that's not good.


https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/12/922980490/scientists-confirm-nevada-man-was-infected-twice-with-coronavirus?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR29MZjF9ZMzj1nnTlaqp3sUaQLB87jYZGaD9uy0PtmSAEAFF-0wHABm7zo&fbclid=IwAR0hZ7bRJ7Rr8gDgH8Lz7VMfKl6pvxOZdwSJmDApzzAQAkacsnIjUk9WCxc&fbclid=IwAR1bAUo-nIzEcjzJm8lOi2U4fNFc4cIk2Qq5YldsYs1YTA43IRGeFatsj9s&fbclid=IwAR2lt4_GawJ1ub3UhSKNyZP5M79ToJ_9NdqJ6xaKbUG7Lkb44YE02kXV2TY&fbclid=IwAR3mPwre-tsKSIHhj6owOlM2rQRZ-ZiRgulz32sUSNtnd0NjQ3pfdyRnmu0&fbclid=IwAR1iLrmadELVQedwsYEjy2168hxFAevkK6u3wMiMY2uCtAINJd9P7DOSt-E&fbclid=IwAR0E_lJBRTKJqXA8nXfprpIM4E-X6IucebxQs5WNB0F4Y9goKdLFDzi6Yzs&fbclid=IwAR2LwAVmUwo6d0Ck-9PzvbRNLdXmkZDZd5MPPOOUaFetEsJG3pNv29Mgr6M&fbclid=IwAR1SGZCthvjoqQS4mEXvMp6xBt_rKoMrjeRkuLEzgfGCmokAyyCkyivTStM&fbclid=IwAR2q9ALfOXGSXlj-8Oz9CF7ffBily1oYW94NhwJGYK6kefnkYJiD2dOsqjA&fbclid=IwAR3yzHhbsmrtow3ZcC1QZZ_VCdMWwVKN3UljjrNX96yUcnqpt-tXuqkcRTk&fbclid=IwAR1UjX8theLgwhBtcklsk-IrFyuIiN7kzFRi8GOpIHGlDBFP-sf0IHujS8g&fbclid=IwAR3WprH4hnZFdmvJm85s09bIXpwiBFqvqqOaWZRh0vTlDCKC5juiW6VXN_k&fbclid=IwAR3y5yJvLb7sRKf3niS7PZm7jnhLl43joyVhCdYg5ZrB4luvVGFEtc1--Ck&fbclid=IwAR2BTMLt2-wgwLkx85cczp8c2WUXUD2UCt2Asx4zTBEj8OoSpnbXIy2kygY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 12, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Just in the nick of time, something new the media can use to beat up on President Trump with and crank up the FEAR among the fearful before the election.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 12, 2020, 08:36:46 PM
Assuming he actually had it in the first or second place. I'm not trusting a lot of the positive reports.
Now if this thing is going to be like the common cold or flu and keep mutating we're just going to have to grin and bear it and get on with life.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on October 12, 2020, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 12, 2020, 07:28:28 PM
First US case of re-infection with COVID confirmed. Well, that's not good.

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It is the first confirmed case of so-called reinfection with the virus in the U.S. and the fifth confirmed reinfection case worldwide.

While I'll admit it isn't good, the odds seem to be against the majority of the population being at risk. 

My google-fu is weak tonight & I can't seem to find a figure for the approximate current world population, but I'd bet that 5 is less than 1% of whatever that figure is.

It may turn out that second infections are more likely than they seem to be at this time; I'm thinking that, right now, it's not something to be overly concerned about.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 12, 2020, 09:31:39 PM
I thought we were all gonna be dead by now  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 12, 2020, 09:32:55 PM
For any of you that missed it.

http://www.kimdutoit.com/2020/10/08/acceptable-risk/

I still don't give a *expletive deleted*it about the Kung Flu.  On the list of things that are likely to end me it's just too far down to worry about.  Which is why I have so much fun blowing off the mask "mandate".  Pass a law or kiss my ass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 12, 2020, 10:45:55 PM
According to the article, about 10% of people may not produce the antibodies to fight THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN oooops, covid19,  so they get reinfected,  or the antigens interfere somehow. 

This might not be a widespread problem. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2020, 08:31:38 AM
The leftists can't even all stay on the same page.

More likely, they know the risk of reinfection is barely even measurable but need to keep the FEAR ramped up pre-election.

Somebody at Harvard didn't get the memo on the new talking point.

Four months isn't that long though so operation chaos can continue forward generating fear.

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People who recovered from COVID-19 may have lasting protection against reinfection, the new study shows
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/10/covid-survivors-may-have-four-months-of-protection/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=hu-twitter-general&utm_medium=social

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2020, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 13, 2020, 08:31:38 AM

More likely, they know the risk of reinfection is barely even measurable but need to keep the FEAR ramped up pre-election.

Well,  I would say "Who knows?". Because it all depends on people being tested. 90% of the people I know in meatspace, including me, have NOT ever been tested. I realize in many parts of the country people could say the opposite, but the point is that there are still LOTS of people who have never been tested, so who knows how many times others have already been infected and reinfected and got over it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 13, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
I'm not going to worry about it - even if it is true. At .000000064% of the world population, come on man! (Thought I'd throw in a little Joe Biden for y'all.)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
The virus has been here over half a year and we are coming up on one year in China.

Five "confirmed" reinfections across the planet indicates it probably isn't that common.

Once we wrap up the year it will be interesting to see how this year compares to others regarding infections, hospitalizations and deaths.

With all the politicization, lies,  fear mongering, denial, propaganda and disinformation it has been a hard year to do personal risk assessment, especially while living in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country.

The fear and neuroticism is contagious. How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on October 13, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 13, 2020, 09:38:27 AM

The fear and neuroticism is contagious. How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?


 It takes a strong centered individual.  Personally, I have focused on finance, buying tulip futures and South Sea Trading stocks.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 13, 2020, 11:34:23 AM
Whoops. Wrong thread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 13, 2020, 11:36:55 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 13, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?


beer
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 13, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
"How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?"

Being an introvert really helps.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 13, 2020, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on October 13, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
It takes a strong centered individual.  Personally, I have focused on finance, buying tulip futures and South Sea Trading stocks.
 

 :laugh: I know enough history to get the reference, and pretend I understand it, though I really don't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 13, 2020, 12:26:28 PM
:laugh: I know enough history to get the reference, and pretend I understand it, though I really don't.

See Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds - Charles Mackay
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 13, 2020, 02:43:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 13, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
"How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?"

Being an introvert really helps.
Feet shoulder length apart, weight slightly forward, maintain a firm grip with both hands, nice smooth trigger pull with just the finger. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 13, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 13, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
"How do you stay balanced living in a literal dystopia?"

Being an introvert really helps.

It really does.  Mrs. Mush and I have avoided all family gatherings and holidays through at least Christmas with the "Due to the virus we are not visiting anyone" line.  Never mind that we are going camping in the mountains, which we prefer anyways.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 13, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 13, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Never mind that we are going camping in the mountains, which we prefer anyways.

Now that's social distancing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2020, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 13, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
Now that's social distancing.

Well...

(https://groovyhistory.com/content/74920/9a3edd517f3bd17ea75374ba52a8de3a.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 13, 2020, 04:28:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 13, 2020, 04:08:07 PM
Well...

(https://groovyhistory.com/content/74920/9a3edd517f3bd17ea75374ba52a8de3a.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/fd/f1/ae/fdf1ae998d7c03790c417adc5988df97.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 13, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
Well, we were in North Cackalacky, but I heard no banjos. 

(https://i.imgur.com/00JX1nu.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 13, 2020, 04:58:28 PM
One part  :facepalm: One part  :rofl:

California officials ask citizens not to microwave their mail-in ballots to kill the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/13/california-officials-ask-citizens-not-to-microwave-their-mail-in-ballots-to-kill-the-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 13, 2020, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 13, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
Well, we were in North Cackalacky, but I heard no banjos. 


Sad.  =(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 13, 2020, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 13, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
Well, we were in North Cackalacky, but I heard no banjos. 


No pretty mouths?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 14, 2020, 12:30:51 AM
Quote from: WLJ on October 13, 2020, 08:13:40 PM
No pretty mouths?

There's no way in hell Ned Beaty read that script before taking the job.  That or he really needed the money.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 14, 2020, 07:38:34 AM
Quote from: Andiron on October 14, 2020, 12:30:51 AM
There's no way in hell Ned Beaty read that script before taking the job.  That or he really needed the money.

He never lived that scene down
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 14, 2020, 12:44:16 PM
https://youtu.be/bbGG79WGmu4?t=800
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 15, 2020, 07:09:22 AM

European Coronavirus Cases Increase Despite Elites’ Insistence Their Lockdowns Would Work
 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/13/european-coronavirus-cases-increase-despite-elites-insistence-their-lockdown-would-work/)
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Despite strict lockdown policies paraded as a model for other nations by political and social elites, Europe’s COVID-19 numbers are steadily increasing. Over the last seven days, the WHO reported that Europe has 709,968 new coronavirus cases, adding to the 7,039,257 people who are infected in total.



CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks
 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/)
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A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.

In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus. The study also demonstrates that under 4 percent of the case-patients became sick with the virus even though they “never” wore a mask or face covering.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on October 15, 2020, 08:06:59 AM
I liked the CDC response. We never said a mask would keep you from getting covid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 15, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on October 15, 2020, 08:06:59 AM
I liked the CDC response. We never said a mask would keep you from getting covid

Which it won't, if you don't wash your hands and also keep touching your face. Like to adjust your mask every two minutes, which I'm constantly seeing people do everywhere that people are required to wear masks.

There also seems to be some health professional pushback on the effectiveness of lockdowns:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-30000-health-experts-sign-declaration-against-covid-19-lockdowns_3537277.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 15, 2020, 09:04:17 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 15, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
Which it won't, if you don't wash your hands and also keep touching your face. Like to adjust your mask every two minutes, which I'm constantly seeing people do everywhere that people are required to wear masks.

I thought I read somewhere that the risk of infection from surfaces is extremely low.  Can't find the info now, though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 15, 2020, 09:40:59 AM
A few observations.
I have spent way, way more time in medical facilities this year than I like.
Starting in late February or early March there were screeners at the doors of the clinics I was going in to. Ask the questions, take.your temperature and hand out a mask. Hand sanitizer stations popped up everywhere and all the healthcare workers were wearing masks. That continued though April.

When I went back in for the 2nd surgery pretty much the same routine but.they added a Covid screening to the pre-op tests. The wife was allowed to wait for me in a waiting room.
When I went back to PT the same front door screening was in place and the PT staff were now required to wear "real" masks instead of the cute homemade ones they'd used earlier.

In August when my gallbladder committed mutiny they wouldnt let my wife wait with me at the ER. They said they'd call her and update her as soon as they knew something. They didn't. When I had the gallbladder removed she wasn't allowed to wait inside nor was she allowed to visit me the 2 nights I stayed in the hospital. She was pissed, I rested much better than if she'd been there.
When my daughter had her gallbladder attack a month later they let her husband wait with her in the ER and during surgery he was allowed to wait in the waiting room, same hospital.

Two weeks later at my Ortho Doc's office they were no longer screening at the door but you were still required to wear a mask. The receptionist at the Dr office took my temp.
Tuesday, a month since the last visit, at the Doc's office they were down to just "wear a mask".

I dont yet know if my wife will be able to wait inside when I have shoulder surgery 3.0 next week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 15, 2020, 10:10:20 AM
I have a doctor's appointment next week. They're doing the wear a mask at all times thing. Looks like they're also doing temperature screenings when you walk in the door.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 15, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fistful
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks

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A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.

In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus. The study also demonstrates that under 4 percent of the case-patients became sick with the virus even though they “never” wore a mask or face covering.

This only proves that people aren't paying attention. The typical masks available to the general public are not intended to protect the wearer from exposure to the virus, they are meant to protect other people in the event the wearer has the virus.

I hate going to the supermarket or to the super Walmart because of the people who either don't wear a mask, or who pull it down to their chin as soon as they get into the store. Especially with the numbers rising again in my state (somewhat exponentially, but not parabolicly), I'm concerned about my exposure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 15, 2020, 10:38:33 AM
If you are concerned about your exposure, your best course of action is to not go out into public places.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 15, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 15, 2020, 10:10:20 AM
I have a doctor's appointment next week. They're doing the wear a mask at all times thing. Looks like they're also doing temperature screenings when you walk in the door.

I had a physical in June, and IIRC, they took my temp before I walked in, and masks were required. I was in for a follow-up blood test in SEP, and it was masks only.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 15, 2020, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 15, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
Which it won't, if you don't wash your hands and also keep touching your face. Like to adjust your mask every two minutes, which I'm constantly seeing people do everywhere that people are required to wear masks.

There also seems to be some health professional pushback on the effectiveness of lockdowns:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-30000-health-experts-sign-declaration-against-covid-19-lockdowns_3537277.html

People touch their face all the time without thinking about it.

A lot of questions regarding mask efficacy have to do with how effective they are at stopping covid19 bearing particles.  Many masks allow air to pass above and/or below,  and if that's the easiest route for it, that's what's going to happen.

 :police: NEVERTHELESS,  WE MUST OBEY OUR OVERLORDS!!!!  MASKS!!! !!! NOW!!!!! :police:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 15, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 15, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
I had a physical in June, and IIRC, they took my temp before I walked in, and masks were required. I was in for a follow-up blood test in SEP, and it was masks only.

My LASIK doctor's office does the temperature and question check.  One of the questions asks if I have travelled outside of New England in the last two weeks.  I always answer "no" because that is easiest, but they know I'm a pilot. One of the staff said, "Oh, really? Doing all of your flying in New England now?"  She didn't care, but she did notice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 16, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on October 15, 2020, 10:29:18 AM


This only proves that people aren't paying attention. The typical masks available to the general public are not intended to protect the wearer from exposure to the virus, they are meant to protect other people in the event the wearer has the virus.

I hate going to the supermarket or to the super Walmart because of the people who either don't wear a mask, or who pull it down to their chin as soon as they get into the store. Especially with the numbers rising again in my state (somewhat exponentially, but not parabolicly), I'm concerned about my exposure.

Yet again,  your problem, not mine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 16, 2020, 07:11:48 AM
"but they know I'm a pilot."

You selfish bastard! Everyone knows that the Covids is thick at 30,000 feet and pressurization makes it even thicker! You're gonna kill us all!  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 16, 2020, 07:16:36 AM
Looks like Europe is getting hit hard again.
France is even imposed curfews

https://www.wave3.com/2020/10/16/virologist-milan-surge-spreading-at-risk-populations/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 16, 2020, 09:06:38 AM
In the meantime, a cousin in Germany just sent me an email with a youtube link from one of the political commentators there he likes to listen to, stating that the US will go on mandatory lockdown starting this weekend with full national guard mobilization.

He was worried and asked me what I knew about it. Of course I knew nothing because I've never heard of it.  I did some gazoogling and it apparently started as a fake Homeland Security memo related to the Stafford Act and disseminated on the stupid social media. I guess it's kinda like that game where you put 20 people in a line, whisper something in the first person's ear, and by the time it gets to the last person, it's a whole different thing.

I would link the video, but the Youtube English translation captioning is atrocious. Anyway, interesting example of how information can change from one part of the world to another.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claims-of-nationwide-lockdown-for-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 16, 2020, 09:17:58 AM
I'm not sure we could have a national lockdown at this stage, that might just trigger the boogaloo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2020, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: WLJ on October 16, 2020, 07:16:36 AM
Looks like Europe is getting hit hard again.
France is even imposed curfews

https://www.wave3.com/2020/10/16/virologist-milan-surge-spreading-at-risk-populations/


I guess they didn't have enough faith in the Science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 16, 2020, 09:39:42 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on October 16, 2020, 09:17:58 AM
I'm not sure we could have a national lockdown at this stage, that might just trigger the boogaloo.

Just to be clear, I don't believe there's some conspiracy the gov is trying to hide. It's an obvious conspiracy theory if you're from the US and not paranoid. I just thought it was interesting that without US cultural references, reasonable people elsewhere in the world might take it as something real. Makes you think about what you hear about stuff going on in other countries.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 16, 2020, 10:15:02 AM
Why impose martial law or call in the troops when all the wealthy rulers have to do is scare the daylights out of everyone and declare a lockdown?

The use of force isn't even necessary.

All they have to do is say BOOO!

Fear man, FEAR!

Observing the folks here in the Chicago area I think many are taking a perverse pleasure in all this craziness. It's almost like a sizeable percentage enjoy the mandatory diktats and/or the imposing of procedures and protocols on everyone else.

It's like a competition on who can be the most zealous and obedient as a form of virtue signaling.

 

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 16, 2020, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 16, 2020, 09:06:38 AM
In the meantime, a cousin in Germany just sent me an email with a youtube link from one of the political commentators there he likes to listen to, stating that the US will go on mandatory lockdown starting this weekend with full national guard mobilization.

He was worried and asked me what I knew about it. Of course I knew nothing because I've never heard of it.  I did some gazoogling and it apparently started as a fake Homeland Security memo related to the Stafford Act and disseminated on the stupid social media. I guess it's kinda like that game where you put 20 people in a line, whisper something in the first person's ear, and by the time it gets to the last person, it's a whole different thing.

I would link the video, but the Youtube English translation captioning is atrocious. Anyway, interesting example of how information can change from one part of the world to another.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claims-of-nationwide-lockdown-for-covid-19/

Linked article is from March.  How is it relevant now?  I'm not saying the country is going on lockdown,  enforced by the military,  but I don't understand the relevance of a seven month old article ......  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 16, 2020, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on October 16, 2020, 10:47:49 AM
Linked article is from March.  How is it relevant now?  I'm not saying the country is going on lockdown,  enforced by the military,  but I don't understand the relevance of a seven month old article ......  ???

The fake memo has been around that long. It keeps popping up with different revisions and dates. It's always 48-72 hours away. This last one happened to get disseminated in Germany.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2020, 01:42:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 16, 2020, 10:57:49 AM
The fake memo has been around that long. It keeps popping up with different revisions and dates. It's always 48-72 hours away. This last one happened to get disseminated in Germany.



I think I heard something like that several months ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 16, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
https://idahonews.com/news/offbeat/hormel-giving-away-bacon-scented-face-masks

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KALAMAZOO, Mich. (WWMT) — 'Don't just eat Bacon— inhale it,' that was the message from Hormel Foods when the company, known for its Black Label Bacon, announced the launch of "Breathable Bacon."

Breathable Bacon is a face mask featuring the latest in pork-scented technology, with two-ply multi-fiber cloth to keep the delicious smell of bacon always wrapped around your nose and mouth.

Not a good idea, IMO.  Wearing the thing will just make me hungry.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 16, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 16, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
https://idahonews.com/news/offbeat/hormel-giving-away-bacon-scented-face-masks

Not a good idea, IMO.  Wearing the thing will just make me hungry.


Not to mention attract every dog downwind of you
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on October 16, 2020, 09:01:55 PM
"Where's your mask?"

"Couldn't help myself, I ate it"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 02:36:01 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 20, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
Yes, Kathony, that's pretty much how freedom works. Was that supposed to be funny?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
Yes, Kathony, that's pretty much how freedom works. Was that supposed to be funny?

It is all fun and games and Rugged Individualism until someone is puking their guts out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 20, 2020, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
It is all fun and games and Rugged Individualism until someone is puking their guts out.

You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 20, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2020, 04:23:29 PM
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?

If the early 1900s all the way to the present are any indication...

No.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2020, 04:23:29 PM
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?

I don't think we can rely upon the self-interests of business, nor the post-event sanction of litigation to adequately safeguard the interests of society as a whole in some areas. This, along with food and drug safety, is one of the best functions of government regulation in my view.  I like to re-read the Jungle every now and again to remind myself of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 20, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
I don't think we can rely upon the self-interests of business, nor the post-event sanction of litigation to adequately safeguard the interests of society as a whole in some areas. This, along with food and drug safety, is one of the best functions of government regulation in my view.  I like to re-read the Jungle every now and again to remind myself of that.

You don't think a private entity could take over the function of inspecting restaurants and putting an A in the window? If getting that sticker was voluntary, people might actually look for it before they went in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 20, 2020, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 20, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
I don't think we can rely upon the self-interests of business, nor the post-event sanction of litigation to adequately safeguard the interests of society as a whole in some areas. This, along with food and drug safety, is one of the best functions of government regulation in my view.  I like to re-read the Jungle every now and again to remind myself of that.
We can rely upon the self-interests of government?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on October 20, 2020, 05:48:59 PM
Kathony is the bitch everybody regrets inviting over for Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 20, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
I don't know if these will have the force of law, but California is trying to regulate Thanksgiving out of existence this year.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/california-just-declared-war-on-thanksgiving-with-kafka-level-regulations/

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Families who have a backyard can gather there; families who live in condos or apartments will have to look elsewhere. “We have been blessed with enough space to have it outside if that was what we wanted,” Helm said. “It probably isn’t realistic for the average resident of California.”

Even outside, the regulations also mandate at least six feet of distance between members of different households at all times, including when family members are sitting. So good luck passing the Thanksgiving turkey down the table, much less having a conversation with the people seated around you.

Speaking of Thanksgiving turkey, Newsom’s regulations require that “as much as possible, any food or beverages at outdoor gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers.” And no serving your own plate — if food can’t be served in single portions, then someone wearing a face covering must be there to dole out servings.

Attendees should also put their face masks back on as soon as they finish eating. And make sure to keep your gathering short, even if it’s been months since you’ve seen your extended family. “Gatherings should be two hours or less,” Newsom’s rules stipulate.

These rules are so goofy, I expect most Californians will figure out that it makes more sense to keep their gatherings indoors, with the blinds shut.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on October 20, 2020, 07:50:30 PM
Does he not want to get reelected?  Or maybe he has a secret agenda to turn Calif. republican?

Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
These rules are so goofy, I expect most Californians will figure out that it makes more sense to keep their gatherings indoors, with the blinds shut.

Just make sure no one parks in front of the house, and they aren't seen sneaking into the house.  Don't need the neighbors calling in a violation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 20, 2020, 11:10:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmMCaJ016g
Why I Am Leaving California | The California EXODUS is REAL

He talks about some of these policies being why he is leaving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 21, 2020, 02:37:48 AM
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2020, 04:23:29 PM
You don't think we could find a way of certifying restaurants for cleanliness and proper food prep w/o the heavy hand of gooberment?

Considering what I've seen of human nature in the course of seven and a half decades wandering around this mud ball we call home -- not an ice cube's chance in [bleep].
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 21, 2020, 08:18:51 AM
This is the third recent local article I've read about hoarding potentially starting again, which will likely lead to "self-fulfilling news".  :laugh:

The good news, if the articles are to be believed, is that this round would be  bit more controlled, with people buying just a case of something instead of 20 cases, and that stores may have moved from the just in time model a bit on things that were snatched up last time, keeping extra stock of those items.

https://1043wowcountry.com/another-round-of-grocery-hoarding-could-hit-boise/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 21, 2020, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 21, 2020, 08:18:51 AM
This is the third recent local article I've read about hoarding potentially starting again, which will likely lead to "self-fulfilling news".  :laugh:

The good news, if the articles are to be believed, is that this round would be  bit more controlled, with people buying just a case of something instead of 20 cases, and that stores may have moved from the just in time model a bit on things that were snatched up last time, keeping extra stock of those items.

https://1043wowcountry.com/another-round-of-grocery-hoarding-could-hit-boise/
More than likely the people who wanted 20 cases have acquired that since last spring.  I bet the people who just kept a few rolls in the house already changed their habits.  I imagine it is like the shooters who would go buy ammo before going to the range.  They realized they need to stock up a little. 

I would have thought the chance for post-election violence would motivate people more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 21, 2020, 08:46:45 AM
CDC has tallied the excess deaths so far this year.  So far we are looking at approx. 299,000 excess deaths.  About 219,000 of those are "from"* COVID-19.  I know we had several discussions on here earlier about excess death counts and what that might say for the pandemic and fallout from the response to the pandemic.  The Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report doesn't go into a ton of detail, but there are cites, and discussions of how they got their numbers.

CDC Site is here: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

PDF of the MMWR is here: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6942e2-H.pdf

*I know the designation of "death from COVID" is not the most reliable number, as the distinction between death FROM COVID and death WITH COVID isn't always the clearest, regardless those 219,000 folks are dead from something.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 21, 2020, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on October 21, 2020, 08:40:54 AM
More than likely the people who wanted 20 cases have acquired that since last spring.  I bet the people who just kept a few rolls in the house already changed their habits.  I imagine it is like the shooters who would go buy ammo before going to the range.  They realized they need to stock up a little. 

I would have thought the chance for post-election violence would motivate people more.

Yes, this is my thinking - that a lot of "just one of item 'X' in the house" people have changed their ways and become more like those of us here (though perhaps not quite as crazy  :laugh: ) and are keeping stock of important items. For only a couple of weeks perhaps, but even that changes their psychology so that they don't panic and overbuy. Sadly, in five years that smart supply stocking will be forgotten by most, and something else will then set off a new round of panic.

On the post election violence, JMO, but  I don't expect that to have as much of an effect on food and supply hoarding. I think that's more about guns, ammo, and security stuff hoarding.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 21, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 21, 2020, 08:47:14 AM
Sadly, in five four years that smart supply stocking will be forgotten by most, and something else will then set off a new round of panic.

Just in time for the 2024 election mess.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 21, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. Hopefully fed.gov won't send them tons of vaccine that will just sit unused for who knows how long. If those states want to do their own thing, fine, but don't send the vaccines in any quantity until they will actually distribute them. Plenty of other states could use the vaccine doses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-california-coronavirus-vaccine-independent-review
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 21, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
Today I had my pre-op testing for my upcoming shoulder surgery (Friday).
I Did not have to endure a "swab the brain" covid test.
I Did have to wear a mask. All the nurses and associated techs and such were wearing masks. I did note that the nurse running the show had her mask pulled down below her nose.
They will not let my wife wait inside for me, drop me off and pick me up for outpatient surgery.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 21, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 21, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. Hopefully fed.gov won't send them tons of vaccine that will just sit unused for who knows how long. If those states want to do their own thing, fine, but don't send the vaccines in any quantity until they will actually distribute them. Plenty of other states could use the vaccine doses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-california-coronavirus-vaccine-independent-review

CA will probably slap a Proposition 65 warning on it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 21, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 21, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. Hopefully fed.gov won't send them tons of vaccine that will just sit unused for who knows how long. If those states want to do their own thing, fine, but don't send the vaccines in any quantity until they will actually distribute them. Plenty of other states could use the vaccine doses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-california-coronavirus-vaccine-independent-review

If people need another reason to move...

Or, more likely, people will just be going out of state to get their dose. Better send the backward states' supplies to Nevada, Pennsylvania, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 22, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/with-1-in-4-patients-sick-with-covid-19-an-idaho-hospital-tries-to-weather-the-storm/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/northern-idaho-may-send-new-virus-cases-to-seattle-portland/

Don't get sick in Idaho, Ben.  The hospitals are filling up and soon they may start shipping patients out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2020, 10:21:30 AM
"Looks like NY and CA are going the anti-vaxxer route. "

From some of the comments I've seen it would appear that they're going the anti-vaxx route because....


TRUMP! TRUMP DEVELOPED VACCINE! THAT MEANS IT MUST BE BAD!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2020, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 22, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/with-1-in-4-patients-sick-with-covid-19-an-idaho-hospital-tries-to-weather-the-storm/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/northern-idaho-may-send-new-virus-cases-to-seattle-portland/

Don't get sick in Idaho, Ben.  The hospitals are filling up and soon they may start shipping patients out.

But we'll have the best herd immunity of any state in the country.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 22, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
Guess what they're now blaming on C19

Dentists are seeing more cracked teeth. Pandemic stress is to blame
https://www.wlky.com/article/dentists-are-seeing-more-cracked-teeth-pandemic-stress-is-to-blame/34200460
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 22, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
Made a Sam's run this evening and noticed the paper goods aisle was cleaned out. Nothing. Not even so much as a napkin. New rush on TP and paper towels?

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 22, 2020, 10:13:44 PM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on October 22, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
Made a Sam's run this evening and noticed the paper goods aisle was cleaned out. Nothing. Not even so much as a napkin. New rush on TP and paper towels?

Brad

Was in Sams Wed, zero TP
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 23, 2020, 07:17:51 AM
The talking heads are saying we're a week out from a huge spike in Kung Flu cases, so get ready for another run on everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 23, 2020, 07:22:56 AM
Our Sam's has been sporadic on stock ever since spring.  Some days no stock, some days piles and piles. 

When we arrived this week we saw several carts with multiple cases of paper towels but there were none on the floor.  They only had the expensive toilet paper left over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2020, 08:00:15 AM
I'm hitting the Costco this morning to stock up the new freezer. I'll report on inventory when I get back. We're one of the states large spikes, and a good deal of "OMG" local news stories, so I'll be interested to see if hoarding has started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 23, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 23, 2020, 07:17:51 AM
The talking heads are saying we're a week out from a huge spike in Kung Flu cases, so get ready for another run on everything.

That's just the right-wing corporate media (CNN, ABC, ETC.) trying to depress voter turnout.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 23, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
Quote from: fistful on October 23, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
That's just the right-wing corporate media (CNN, ABC, ETC.) trying to depress voter turnout.

Transparently ramping up fear before the election.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 23, 2020, 10:08:34 AM
50 million years from now a future species will be digging through sediment layers and come across a layer where all evidence of a white papery substance suddenly disappears. Oh the theories that will be argued over on how that fits in with the human specie's disappearance
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 23, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
We are seeing a spike here north of Seattle; the current rates per 100,000 is increasing.  We are going to Costco today after my last meeting and stock up on a few staples and paper products.

https://www.snohd.org/546/Local-Case-Counts

(https://www.snohd.org/ImageRepository/Document?documentID=4021)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 23, 2020, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 23, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
We are seeing a spike here north of Seattle; the current rates per 100,000 is increasing.  We are going to Costco today after my last meeting and stock up on a few staples and paper products.

https://www.snohd.org/546/Local-Case-Counts


Are those cases ie active infections under a doctors supervision?

Or are they the new non-scientific use of the word "cases", any positive test?

Or are those numbers the aggregate of positive tests including the non symptomatic and those who tested positive on the antibody test (previously infected)?

Are there any controls to remove those who have been tested multiple times in order to determine whether they are still infectious to others?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 23, 2020, 10:23:43 AM
We might be having an increase in cases, but that's not translating into deaths:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8869279/How-really-ranks-globally-COVID-19.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/22/19/34720796-8869279-image-a-40_1603390782225.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on October 23, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on October 23, 2020, 10:23:43 AM
We might be having an increase in cases, but that's not translating into deaths:

It is translating into hospitalizations, at least in my state. Seems likely that deaths will follow that upward trend.
(https://i.imgur.com/72SsCBW.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 23, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
Regarding hospitalizations I'm having a hard time finding any breakdowns of whether the hospitalizations are for covid-19 or whether they are hospitalizations/infections of folks in for other causes who test positive for covid-19 or both.

I've also heard anecdotal reports of getting tested positive AT A HOSPITAL gets counted as part of the hospitalization rate.

The data is noisy, incomplete and potentially politicized.

My suggestion is to take a good look around you and give what you observe as high or higher weighting than official sources.

I'm not saying believe the Trump administration or the leftists in control of the institutions. I'm saying observe and exercise situational awareness of what is actually occurring.

We already know the official numbers are juiced. I'm not even a mathematician or statistician and it's obvious.

The devil is in the details.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 23, 2020, 11:45:36 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 23, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
Regarding hospitalizations I'm having a hard time finding any breakdowns of whether the hospitalizations are for covid-19 or whether they are hospitalizations/infections of folks in for other causes who test positive for covid-19.

The data is noisy, incomplete and potentially politicized.

My suggestion is to take a good look around you and give what you observe as high or higher weighting than official sources.

I'm not saying believe the Trump administration or the leftists in control of the institutions, I'm saying observe and exercise situational awareness of what is actually occurring.

We already know the official numbers are juiced. I'm not even a mathematician or statistician and it's obvious.



^This. I remember seeing stories in July about how the local hospital ICU was overflowing, but my sister works in the lab there and said there was one patient in isolation with kung flu. Every one else was there for some other problem that was neglected this spring.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2020, 02:52:58 PM
Costco today was pretty well stocked on just about everything. Water was at maybe 70% full, TP at 50% and paper towels at 40%. I didn't see anyone with TP in their carts. About the normal amount of water. I stood by the section where those three items are for a few minutes, and I mostly saw people going for the paper towels.

I did see some people stocking up on dry goods. I even did a little myself, grabbing a case of individual serving powdered mashed potatoes, since potatoes were rare for a while last time. Otherwise I just grabbed meat (there was plenty) and some frozen junk food (pizza, etc.) to fill up the new chest freezer.

I will say that it was a LOT more crowded today than it has been in the last couple of months. I don't know if that's related to local news fear mongering on hoarding or what.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 23, 2020, 10:50:46 PM
Our local Costco was very low on toilet paper, out of paper towels and very low on bottled water today.  We picked up a 30 pack of toilet paper. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 24, 2020, 06:35:28 AM
My local grocery store was fully stocked on TP, PT, and napkins.  All major brands and a few of the industrial ones, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 24, 2020, 07:16:25 AM
Industrial TP...

That's a chilling thought...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 24, 2020, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 24, 2020, 07:16:25 AM
Industrial TP...

That's a chilling thought...

I believe that's what we in the military call John Wayne TP;  It's rough, it's tough, and it doesn't take *expletive deleted*it off of anyone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 24, 2020, 08:20:24 AM
It's fall, plenty of free TP for the taking if you're desperate
 
Just saying
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 24, 2020, 08:33:29 AM
Quote from: WLJ on October 24, 2020, 08:20:24 AM
It's fall, plenty of free TP for the taking if you're desperate
 
Just saying

Long term storage is an issue.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 24, 2020, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: dogmush on October 24, 2020, 08:16:55 AM
I believe that's what we in the military call John Wayne TP;  It's rough, it's tough, and it doesn't take *expletive deleted*it off of anyone.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 24, 2020, 08:39:27 AM
Response in Wales:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/10/24/sale-of-books-and-other-non-essential-items-halted-in-wales-to-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19/

So within the same store (enclosed space) don't put your grubby, virus-infected hands on a book, but feel free to spread your virus on the essential items. Seems analogous to the (IMO stupid) rules in restaurants. You MUST wear your mask for the twenty foot. ten second walk from the front door to the table, but then take off your masks and work your mouths to eat for an hour.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 27, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/27/herd-immunity-coronavirus-antibodies-fall-after-infection-study-says.html

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study/real-time-assessment-of-community-transmission-findings/

It will be much more difficult to achieve herd immunity if the antibodies to COVID decrease over time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 27, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 24, 2020, 08:39:27 AM
So within the same store (enclosed space) don't put your grubby, virus-infected hands on a book, but feel free to spread your virus on the essential items.
From a consumer perspective it makes absolutely no sense and seems spiteful, but from a business owner's perspective I can see some reasoning behind it.

If the government is going to arbitrarily shut down a retailer that sells only books, but leave open another store that sells books and groceries then they are unfairly burdening one over the other.  Worse, specialty shops tend to be smaller affairs, less able to deal with being shut down with no income for months on end.  To allow their big box competitors to continue to operate and steal even more market share just twists the knife.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 27, 2020, 07:42:04 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1317875526997102594
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 27, 2020, 08:10:00 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 27, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/27/herd-immunity-coronavirus-antibodies-fall-after-infection-study-says.html

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study/real-time-assessment-of-community-transmission-findings/

It will be much more difficult to achieve herd immunity if the antibodies to COVID decrease over time.

This is why we need the vaccine.

But antibodies for a lot of viral diseases tend to decrease over time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 28, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
Bloomberg says that we're back to food hoarding. Food makers are saying that they're better prepared this time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27/second-food-stockpiling-wave-is-here-with-3-400-pantry-surge
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on October 28, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on October 27, 2020, 08:10:00 PM
This is why we need the vaccine.


So- will we need the vaccine yearly or once should be enough?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 28, 2020, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: Pb on October 28, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
So- will we need the vaccine yearly or once should be enough?

I don't know,  but suspect a yearly booster will benecessary.   Possibly it could be combined with the standard yearly flu shots many people get.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 28, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
... or it could be just like the original SARS virus and end up burning out and just existing as rare outbreaks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 28, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
Local grocery store had buy 2 pork loins and get 3 free. I picked up some for the freezer.

I really need to buy a bunch of frozen veggies, pasta and rice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 28, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
"Local grocery store had buy 2 pork loins and get 3 free. I picked up some for the freezer. "

Goddamn... I've not seen a sale on pork loins here in DC metro in probably 6 months. I'd pack my freaking freezer if I found a sale like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 28, 2020, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: charby on October 28, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
Local grocery store had buy 2 pork loins and get 3 free. I picked up some for the freezer.

I really need to buy a bunch of frozen veggies, pasta and rice.

get 3 free??  :O  Or get the third free? 

Whole boneless pork loins were $1.49 a pound here a month ago.  I should have bought at least one at that price, but my freezer is pretty full already.  I did buy two enormous pork butts for 97¢/lb.  I sliced a few steaks from them, and ground the rest up and made meatballs with most of it.

I've been digging thru the freezer since about Labor day and pulling out several-year-old steaks and roasts and cooking them.  I really need to learn to rotate my stockpiles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 28, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 28, 2020, 10:46:40 AM
get 3 free??  :O  Or get the third free? 

Whole boneless pork loins were $1.49 a pound here a month ago.  I should have bought at least one at that price, but my freezer is pretty full already.  I did buy two enormous pork butts for 97¢/lb.  I sliced a few steaks from them, and ground the rest up and made meatballs with most of it.

I've been digging thru the freezer since about Labor day and pulling out several-year-old steaks and roasts and cooking them.  I really need to learn to rotate my stockpiles.

Nope buy 2 at regular price (9.99) and get 3 more for free. It was the 2.5# pre-flavored ones. Sale ended yesterday, fyi.

(https://static.frequent-ads.com/image/item/hyvee/47748/img002.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 28, 2020, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: charby on October 28, 2020, 10:58:59 AM
Nope buy 2 at regular price (9.99) and get 3 more for free. It was the 2.5# pre-flavored ones. Sale ended yesterday, fyi.

(https://static.frequent-ads.com/image/item/hyvee/47748/img002.jpg)

Thanks.  I figured it was Hy-Vee :)  A good deal, but not as good as others I've passed up recently because I didn't have room to store them.  (like the previously mentioned whole boneless loins for $1.49lb, or 20 pounds of chicken hindquarters for $5, also at Hy-Vee)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 28, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 28, 2020, 11:33:51 AM
Thanks.  I figured it was Hy-Vee :)  A good deal, but not as good as others I've passed up recently because I didn't have room to store them.  (like the previously mentioned whole boneless loins for $1.49lb, or 20 pounds of chicken hindquarters for $5, also at Hy-Vee)

I'm starting to run out of freezer space and I still may harvest a deer or two.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on October 28, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
This is such an interesting thread to go back and read through, especially some of the predictions. One from March:
Quote from: RocketMan on March 12, 2020, 11:19:36 AM
If the economy follows the market, as it often does, I'm guessing we will see at least 7.5% unemployment come election time.  If that happens, Trump will be a one term president.
Last number I saw was 7.9 percent, is that the most recent?

On the other hand, Q3 GDP comes out tomorrow and will be a crazy-big number (https://fortune.com/2020/10/26/trump-us-economy-third-quarter-gdp-q3-2020-election/).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 28, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health-science-environment/2020-10-26/as-st-louis-hospitals-reach-capacity-doctors-plead-for-public-to-wear-masks?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1TWhnNZzLLWiV2CKO6t3Tf0-9o4tPKjm1Jyf5Gsdo_ngQvfEKYyrhQ5Vs

Patient census is outstripping healthcare staffing in St. Louis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 28, 2020, 01:37:42 PM
I've done an OK job of filling my freezer, but I can still make room if I reposition stuff and, especially, if I organize it better.

I really need to take an inventory of what I have.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 28, 2020, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 28, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health-science-environment/2020-10-26/as-st-louis-hospitals-reach-capacity-doctors-plead-for-public-to-wear-masks?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1TWhnNZzLLWiV2CKO6t3Tf0-9o4tPKjm1Jyf5Gsdo_ngQvfEKYyrhQ5Vs

Patient census is outstripping healthcare staffing in St. Louis.

Our census locally is ticking back up as well.  Tampa opened a new Global Emerging Diseases Institute this week which is keeping a lot of the COVID patients out of the main hospitals, but we are getting more inpatient cases every week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 28, 2020, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on October 28, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
This is such an interesting thread to go back and read through, especially some of the predictions. One from March:Last number I saw was 7.9 percent, is that the most recent?

On the other hand, Q3 GDP comes out tomorrow and will be a crazy-big number (https://fortune.com/2020/10/26/trump-us-economy-third-quarter-gdp-q3-2020-election/).

You are correct, unemployment stands at 7.9% as of October 2.  The DJIA has lost around 1800 points in the last five days.  And there is still a good chance that Trump will be a one term president, unfortunately.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 28, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
^^^Down 832 points so far just on today's (10/28/2020) session.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 28, 2020, 05:09:38 PM
That was an ugly, ugly day on the street.

At least oil took a pummeling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 28, 2020, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 28, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
^^^Down 832 points so far just on today's (10/28/2020) session.

It would be awesome if it does the same thing every day the rest of this week. I wasn't sure there would be another great opportunity like March coming so soon, but fingers crossed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on October 28, 2020, 06:21:43 PM
I think it might go up tomorrow but after that it will be flat or downward until the election results. If Biden wins it's going downhill. 2008 all,over again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 28, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I think the markets are trying to price in a Biden win ahead of the election.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 28, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 28, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I think the markets are trying to price in a Biden win ahead of the election.

Or the riots if Trump wins.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 29, 2020, 06:47:31 AM
Market futures are rising about 115 this morning, but oil?

WTI's down another $1.50, to $35 and change even though Zeta shut down Gulf production for a short time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 29, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
Getting back to COVID-19, my luncheon with the assistant pastor of my church has been called off. Then came an e-mail blast from the pastor. The sexton has tested positive, so both the pastor and the assistant pastor now have to self-quarantine for two weeks. The church will be closed, and they will conduct masses by live streaming on Facebook for the next two Sundays.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 29, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/

(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/European-comparison-768x432.jpeg)

One thing to keep in mind is the difference between saying that "masks don't work," versus saying "mask mandates don't work."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 29, 2020, 05:47:58 PM
This seems as good a time as any to remind everyone in the world that correlation is not causation, and the spread of a virus through disparate countries with wildly varying responses, cultures, populations, and population densities has a LOT of variables.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 29, 2020, 05:47:58 PM
This seems as good a time as any to remind everyone in the world that correlation is not causation, and the spread of a virus through disparate countries with wildly varying responses, cultures, populations, and population densities has a LOT of variables.

Certainly cultural geography and Tobler's Law might be one variable in the posted graph. I'd be curious where Finland falls.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 29, 2020, 07:29:34 PM
^^^I learned something today. I had not previously heard of Tobler's law.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2020, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 29, 2020, 07:29:34 PM
^^^I learned something today. I had not previously heard of Tobler's law.

He was already Emeritus when I was in grad school, but I caught one of his grad seminars and ran into him at a couple of department functions. Interesting fellow. Pre-SJW liberal, so you could actually have a polite and intelligent conversation with him involving opposing viewpoints.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 29, 2020, 08:49:26 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 29, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 29, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/

(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/European-comparison-768x432.jpeg)

One thing to keep in mind is the difference between saying that "masks don't work," versus saying "mask mandates don't work."

One Stat I heard is 92% of people ARE using masks  and 72%  of people with covid19 disease have used masks ....  [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 29, 2020, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 29, 2020, 05:47:58 PM
This seems as good a time as any to remind everyone in the world that correlation is not causation, and the spread of a virus through disparate countries with wildly varying responses, cultures, populations, and population densities has a LOT of variables.

I believe the point of all the graphs in the article is to look at one variable (whether masks are required), and how it affects (or not) the increase in cases (or deaths). Do you not think they would reasonably cause one to doubt whether mask mandates are effective?*

*And as I believe you've brought it up before, that doesn't mean anyone's questioning the efficacy of masks in a surgical setting. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 30, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on October 29, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
One Stat I heard is 92% of people ARE using masks  and 72%  of people with covid19 disease have used masks ....  [popcorn]

The problem is that the standard masks most people are wearing are more to protect other people from the wearer than to protect the wearer from the other people.

Which is why it pisses me off royally when I venture forth to the Super Walmart for the things I can't find at the nearby supermarket, and have to dodge customers who pull their masks down to their chin or Adam's apple as soon as they get inside the store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 30, 2020, 07:35:21 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on October 30, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
The problem is that the standard masks most people are wearing are more to protect other people from the wearer than to protect the wearer from the other people.

Which is why it pisses me off royally when I venture forth the the Super Walmart for the things I can't find at the nearby supermarket, and have to dodge customers who pull their masks down to their chin or Adam's apple as soon as they get inside the store.

I just don't buy that expecting people to all start wearing masks in Wal-Mart was ever realistic. And the more I hear complaints like yours, the more I feel vindicated in that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 30, 2020, 07:53:19 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on October 29, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
One Stat I heard is 92% of people ARE using masks  and 72%  of people with covid19 disease have used masks ....  [popcorn]
Soooo .... 92% of the population makes up 72% of the infections, and 8% of the population makes up 28% of the infections?

On the one hand, that indicates that mask wearing is significantly associated with a reduction in the likelihood of getting the disease in the short term.

On the other hand, it also indicates that mask wearing is insufficient to prevent infection and that at best it delays the inevitable.

On the gripping hand, that kind of association is considerably weaker than the connection between race and violent crime rates, which isn't strong enough to even bring up in public discussion about crime policy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 30, 2020, 08:06:53 AM
Quote from: fistful on October 29, 2020, 11:03:37 PM
I believe the point of all the graphs in the article is to look at one variable (whether masks are required), and how it affects (or not) the increase in cases (or deaths). Do you not think they would reasonably cause one to doubt whether mask mandates are effective?*

*And as I believe you've brought it up before, that doesn't mean anyone's questioning the efficacy of masks in a surgical setting. 

No I do not think that is a reasonable doubt, at least not without a lot more information and real data then that graph or article presents.

Trying to draw causation on country wide (each of those lines is a country after all) infection numbers across an entire continent based on one variable is a perfect example of Twain's Maxim.  (There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics). That graph does not, in and of itself, provide any insight at all to the effectiveness of mask mandates because it does not control for other variables.  Basic science there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 30, 2020, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: cordex on October 30, 2020, 07:53:19 AM

On the other hand, it also indicates that mask wearing is insufficient to prevent infection and that at best it delays the inevitable.

Really, this is where we are. Masks in public might mostly prevent us (a population) from getting the virus in the short term, but if the virus in all its ongoing mutations is here to stay, most people are going to get it, because no one uses perfect prevention techniques, and even those who are careful (wear the mask correctly, wash hands, sterilize things) will eventually screw up and scratch their nose without thinking.

PPE and cautious behavior still seems to me about slowing the spread and not overwhelming infrastructure. Basically we're all going to get the virus, or have already had it (many of us not even knowing we had it).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 30, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
On the plus side we are showing signs of having a historically low flu season this fall.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 30, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 30, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
On the plus side we are showing signs of having a historically low flu season this fall.

Thanks. By actually coming out and saying it you've now guaranteed that everyone will be puking their eyeballs out by middle December.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on October 30, 2020, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: cordex on October 30, 2020, 07:53:19 AM
Soooo .... 92% of the population makes up 72% of the infections, and 8% of the population makes up 28% of the infections?

On the one hand, that indicates that mask wearing is significantly associated with a reduction in the likelihood of getting the disease in the short term.

On the other hand, it also indicates that mask wearing is insufficient to prevent infection and that at best it delays the inevitable.

On the gripping hand, that kind of association is considerably weaker than the connection between race and violent crime rates, which isn't strong enough to even bring up in public discussion about crime policy.

I'm not saying I believe it .... to be honest I'm less sure about "what is known/unknown" about covid19 now than I was a few months ago.  I hear experts blaming these recent surges on people being lax in their PPE and such ..... but when I'm out at a store I see more people than ever wearing masks,  even if a very few have their noses out in the wind.    But then,  I'm a statistic of one.  330 million other people are out there .....
France and Italy are locking down ..... again .....France is requiring people leaving their house to have a written note explaining their reason---  how in heck does that work?  Can you write yourself a note?  Does it have to be your mate?  Your high school teacher (when you graduated in 1974?).  
If the lockdowns worked,  why the current surges?   Yea .... to keep the hospitals from overflowing.   But they are if you listen to the news....so all they really did was postpone the inevitable.  
So wouldn't it have been better just to shelter the elderly and most vulnerable and accept that we just have to live through it until we reach herd immunity.   Which is 10%  if you believe one source ....... or, wait,  65-70% if you believe some other source. [tinfoil]
 :old: :old: .....  ???  =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 30, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: dogmush on October 30, 2020, 08:06:53 AM
No I do not think that is a reasonable doubt, at least not without a lot more information and real data then that graph or article presents.

Trying to draw causation on country wide (each of those lines is a country after all) infection numbers across an entire continent based on one variable is a perfect example of Twain's Maxim.  (There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics). That graph does not, in and of itself, provide any insight at all to the effectiveness of mask mandates because it does not control for other variables.  Basic science there.

The take-away isn't that mask mandates will increase or decrease Covid rates. It's that, over a sample of various countries, mask mandates aren't linked to a decrease in the rates, or even to keeping the rates stable.

On the other hand, if some other variable(s) are causing rates to increase or stay the same after the mask mandates, what are they?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 30, 2020, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: fistful on October 30, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
The take-away isn't that mask mandates will increase or decrease Covid rates. It's that, over a sample of various countries, mask mandates aren't linked to a decrease in the rates, or even to keeping the rates stable.
This can also be seen in the US.

Quote from: fistful on October 30, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
On the other hand, if some other variable(s) are causing rates to increase or stay the same after the mask mandates, what are they?
Cultural norms?  I.e., cultures for whom greetings are more physical might, cultures where households tend to have more members, or multiple generations live together, cultures which emphasize eating or meeting as large groups? 
Weather?
Willingness to abide by government mandates?
Population density?
Availability and use of mass transit?
I mean, a lot of things could cause a policy to be more or less successful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 30, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: cordex on October 30, 2020, 01:51:53 PM
This can also be seen in the US.
Cultural norms?  I.e., cultures for whom greetings are more physical might, cultures where households tend to have more members, or multiple generations live together, cultures which emphasize eating or meeting as large groups?  
Weather?
Willingness to abide by government mandates?
Population density?
Availability and use of mass transit?
I mean, a lot of things could cause a policy to be more or less successful.

Whatever it is, or whatever they are, they seem to be cancelling out any positive effects mask mandates might have. Or maybe the mandates just aren't helping in the first place.

Also, the article does take compliance rates into account.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 30, 2020, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on October 30, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
The problem is that the standard masks most people are wearing are more to protect other people from the wearer than to protect the wearer from the other people.

Which is why it pisses me off royally when I venture forth to the Super Walmart for the things I can't find at the nearby supermarket, and have to dodge customers who pull their masks down to their chin or Adam's apple as soon as they get inside the store.

You're in luck,  I'm STILL not wearing one.

You do you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 02, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
Moar:

Quote
In 2015, for instance, the respected British Medical Journal Open published a paper that compared infection rates of those who wore cloth masks with properly worn “official” medical masks. It found that “the rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm.” The paper concluded that “the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/02/only-science-deniers-believe-in-a-national-mask-mandate/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 02, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: Ron on October 30, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
On the plus side we are showing signs of having a historically low flu season this fall.

 [tinfoil]
That's what they want you to believe...
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 02, 2020, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: fistful on November 02, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
Moar:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/02/only-science-deniers-believe-in-a-national-mask-mandate/

So, where do we get our "official medical masks? ? ?" [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on November 02, 2020, 11:02:20 AM
Quote
France is requiring people leaving their house to have a written note explaining their reason---  how in heck does that work?  Can you write yourself a note?  Does it have to be your mate?  Your high school teacher (when you graduated in 1974?). 

The document requirement is the same as in the spring. Of course there is an official government form for the so-called "attestation"... you can't scrawl it on paper yourself. Also, there is apparently an app now in addition to the paper version. From what I understand, the justification itself is indeed based off the honor system in that you fill out the attestation by yourself. However, if you are found violating curfew without having a valid attestation then you can get a $150EU fine. The attestation is all about trying to give it some officialness.

From what my French contacts tell me, if there weren't a fine, then everyone would probably completely ignore the curfews and masks requirements. And if there weren't an attestation paperwork, they couldn't enforce s fine. There's a myth that Americans are particularly bad about ignoring government mandates and other more civilized countries just follow the rules. This may be true about korea or Japan, but I guess not for France.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 02, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
When all of this started kicking off there was a lot of fear that the US was going to go into mandatory lockdown so employers who had people working on vital programs started issuing transit letters (along with the Fed Gov customer) to be provided to police if we were stopped on our way to work.

Basically "This individual provides services that are critical to the security of the United States and should be allowed free transit to/from work location."

We're still required to keep them handy just in case we do enter a lock down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 02, 2020, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 02, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
When all of this started kicking off there was a lot of fear that the US was going to go into mandatory lockdown so employers who had people working on vital programs started issuing transit letters (along with the Fed Gov customer) to be provided to police if we were stopped on our way to work.

Basically "This individual provides services that are critical to the security of the United States and should be allowed free transit to/from work location."

We're still required to keep them handy just in case we do enter a lock down.
.

Yup, I've got mine.

My son and daughter in law work at a wally world distribution center, they got letters also but not as fancy as mine with all the Homeland suckurity BS on it.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 02, 2020, 10:29:53 PM
Gas tank is full, TP is stocked, Fridge and pantry are full, magazines and speedloaders are full, "spare" ammo is accessible and the Uplula loader is there too.
FA&FO!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 03, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
Swapped the .38 in the living room with my High Power and 2 loaded mags.

Loaded some extra mags for the .40 in my bedroom.

Pulled my SKS out of the safe with 100 rounds of ammo on clips. I think that will go in my bedroom along with the .40 and the S&W police cruiser 12 gauge.

Dropping a .38 in the car safe.

Pulled another shotgun out of the safe along with 30 rounds of No 4 and 00 buck. That will go downstairs.

Good thought on filling up the car. I'm at half a tank.

Got food and all that.


Friends of mine have packed go bags. He's a retired Army officer, she's turning into a complete whack job. Convinced that Trump is going to lose the election and call out the Army to keep him in power in a coup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 03, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
I can't just stay at home, I'm "Essential AF" at work, but I have a full tank of gas, am driving the truck (instead of the sedan) and put my plate carrier and carbine in the back in addition to my CCW.  I have to traverse some ghetto-adjacent areas to get to and from work though.


ETA: For Clarity:  I'm not looking to get sporty with anyone, I just want to make sure I can get home.  I want no part in this weeks festivities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 03, 2020, 10:23:08 AM
I am already at my office. But since it is in an affluent suburb north of Seattle, I don't have any major concerns and made no preps for the trip over and above the usual.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2020, 10:30:26 AM
I mentioned before that I'm not doing more than normal, which is just loaded guns lying around everywhere, because why would antifa come all the way out here and aggravate like 50 people in the five square mile area and not get any news coverage (plus end up being buried in backhoe graves)?

However yesterday, and early this morning while Steve and I were on patrol, I have heard semi-auto rifles and pistols going off all around me (I usually just hear hunting rifles getting sighted in on weekends), so it appears my neighbors have different thoughts than me and are practicing.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 03, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
I don't have to worry about travel too much since I am once again off work on short term disability, though I do have a Dr appointment early this afternoon.  The bad part is that my right arm is FUBAR and mostly useless. Thankfully, we dont have too much to worry about out here in the boondocks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on November 03, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 03, 2020, 10:30:26 AM
I mentioned before that I'm not doing more than normal, which is just loaded guns lying around everywhere, because why would antifa come all the way out here and aggravate like 50 people in the five square mile area and not get any news coverage (plus end up being buried in backhoe graves)?

However yesterday, and early this morning while Steve and I were on patrol, I have heard semi-auto rifles and pistols going off all around me (I usually just hear hunting rifles getting sighted in on weekends), so it appears my neighbors have different thoughts than me and are practicing.  :laugh:

Pretty much the same around here, although it's a town of 1K. Packing today for deer season, leaving tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on November 03, 2020, 10:35:30 AM
I have packed extra breath mints because, for the first time, I will be wearing a face mask for a full work day (processing absentee ballots).
I think up until now the longest I've had to wear one was for a couple hours while donating blood.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 05, 2020, 07:21:26 PM
My state is cooking the books ... again.

The governor's office issues a CV-19 data sheet every day, and I've been printing them out and logging the numbers on a spreadsheet since March. The state doesn't report recoveries, so I also check the Johns Hopkins web site every day to get numbers on recoveries for my state. Until October 1, the state's number for active cases agreed with the Johns Hopkins number for active cases. As of October 1, a large discrepancy appeared between those two numbers, and there was no explanation.

As of today (which reported yesterday's numbers), things got even murkier. I just downloaded the new report for "today" (which is actually for data as of 8:30 yesterday evening). The number of new cases reported is 1157. BUT ...

There's a footnote. For some reason, they decided to add in 530 new "cases" and 26,321 tests that were conducted from August through October (and the first few days of November) that were for the antigen test rather than the nasal swab (molecular) test. As you probably know, the antigen test is not considered to show infection -- it only indicates probably past exposure to the virus. But the State is now including positive antigen tests as "probable" cases.

And the State is still not reporting recoveries. Johns Hopkins shows recoveries for the state, and they must be getting numbers from somewhere, but the State isn't making the numbers public. Furthermore, the Johns Hopkins number on recoveries doesn't change daily. Typically, it changes every Thursday. But it hasn't changed recently -- it has been stuck at 9,800 for fifteen days.

Bottom line -- we now have even LESS idea of what's really going on than we did before. And what we were being told before was far from being an accurate picture.


[Edit to add] I just realized that the antigen test is not the same as the antibody test. The antigen test has been approved as a rapid result test since August -- but it is not supposed to be used for positive diagnosis. It's supposed to be used to identify people who need a nasal swab test for a definite diagnosis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on November 05, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
It's like they have a bizarre idea the virus will go away and die off if people wear masks.
This is not going away, it will continue to circulate until we get enough people resistant to give herd immunity.
Almost no one under 50 dies from it, even less under 25.
Protect the elderly, quarantine their caregivers along with them, pay them extra.
Then let this damn thing run through the rest of us as fast as possible
All slowing the spread does is prolong the pain.

Unless of course one has a purely political reason for it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on November 05, 2020, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on November 05, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
It's like they have a bizarre idea the virus will go away and die off if people wear masks.
This is not going away, it will continue to circulate until we get enough people resistant to give herd immunity.
Almost no one under 50 dies from it, even less under 25.
Protect the elderly, quarantine their caregivers along with them, pay them extra.
Then let this damn thing run through the rest of us as fast as possible
All slowing the spread does is prolong the pain.

Unless of course one has a purely political reason for it.

And do it in the summer months when people get more sun and it weakens the virus and strengthens people's immune response...

Oh, right; we pretended it could be beaten by hiding from it all summer and killing every small business we could. Oops.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 06, 2020, 12:38:52 AM
Tested OK again and had my Throat Scope and Botox injection this morning. Nice little nap.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 07, 2020, 12:27:35 PM
I just learned from a friend in Europe that COVID-19 has infected the mink population in Denmark, mutated to a new form that may not respond to the same anibodies being studied for a vaccine, and has already begun infecting people. This is NOT good news.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/covid-19-strain-in-denmark-mink-could-cause-new-pandemic-scientist/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-05/covid-mutation-in-danish-mink-triggers-new-restrictions

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/11/04/Denmark-to-cull-millions-of-mink-amid-COVID-19-fears/9571604544197/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on November 07, 2020, 05:18:09 PM
Not that I pay a lot of attention to such things, but that's the first time I've heard of a virus being passed from mink to human.

If that's the case, I wonder how many other species might be infected and transmit to humans.

As Hawkmoon said, NOT good news.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 07, 2020, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on November 07, 2020, 12:27:35 PM
I just learned from a friend in Europe that COVID-19 has infected the mink population in Denmark, mutated to a new form that may not respond to the same anibodies being studied for a vaccine, and has already begun infecting people. This is NOT good news.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/covid-19-strain-in-denmark-mink-could-cause-new-pandemic-scientist/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-05/covid-mutation-in-danish-mink-triggers-new-restrictions

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/11/04/Denmark-to-cull-millions-of-mink-amid-COVID-19-fears/9571604544197/


The minks are to be destroyed.  

As for a new strain causing pandemic 2.0 ? ....... uh,  well,  there are already two strains of covid 19  I've heard about,  could be more? ? ?   As for pandemic 2.0,  no worries,  "Slow" Joe "lying dog-face ponysoldier" Biden will hit the ground running and he has a plan!  =D  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on November 07, 2020, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on November 07, 2020, 12:27:35 PM
I just learned from a friend in Europe that COVID-19 has infected the mink population in Denmark

It's not just Denmark either.
https://www.wortfm.org/thousands-of-mink-dead-after-covid-19-outbreak-at-wisconsin-mink-farm/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 08, 2020, 06:09:54 AM
So, mink coats will be discounted in time for Christmas? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 08, 2020, 08:34:15 AM
^^^I cannot remember the last time I saw someone wearing furs in Seattle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 08, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 08, 2020, 08:34:15 AM
^^^I cannot remember the last time I saw someone wearing furs in Seattle.

Come to America. There's a Furs, Fireworks, and demilled ordnance store up the road from me. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 08, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
From a friend: Causes Danes to lick their own junk, French unaffected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 08, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 08, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
Come to America. There's a Furs, Fireworks, and demilled ordnance store up the road from me. :)

It's not nice to gloat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 08:54:26 AM
Dow futures are up 1600 points this morning (11/9/2020) on the news that initial data shows Pfizer's COVID vaccine is 90% effective.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 09, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
UNCLE JOE HAS SAVED US! HE CURED THE 'RONA!

Odd timing for the announcement... odd timing...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 10:51:09 AM
Distribution of the vaccine seems like it will require some logistics. I saw on the teevee it needs to be stored at sub zero temperatures. I'm hearing vastly different numbers, but they are all below zero. I heard up to -100C, which would require specialized freezers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 09, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 09, 2020, 10:51:09 AM
Distribution of the vaccine seems like it will require some logistics. I saw on the teevee it needs to be stored at sub zero temperatures. I'm hearing vastly different numbers, but they are all below zero. I heard up to -100C, which would require specialized freezers.

From what I'm hearing distribution is going to be, at least initially, DOD's problem with USAMRIID leading the planning.  They have some stuff that can do it.  I'd expect production to be the bottleneck for the first couple months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 09, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 09, 2020, 10:51:09 AM
Distribution of the vaccine seems like it will require some logistics. I saw on the teevee it needs to be stored at sub zero temperatures. I'm hearing vastly different numbers, but they are all below zero. I heard up to -100C, which would require specialized freezers.

I believe  those logistics have all been hashed out and set up,  or atleast readied for implementation,  as part of "operation  warp speed" (Scotty would be sooooo proud  =D ).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on November 09, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
I am building folding aluminum pallet covers for air shipping and they are steady heading to a few pharma and biotechs. Some going international. The companies can do logistics without joe Biden.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 09, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
Dry ice is -78C, so if you really need -100C you’d need something colder.  LN2 is -196C so given the fairly easy access of LN2 that might be what they’d use.  But that would make it rather expensive, and hard to distribute in significant numbers.  

If that’s the case it’ll be prioritized to health care workers and the ultra rich first and powerful politicians of course.  After that it’ll go to high risk people, and then filter down to the rest of us.  Which probably means a year or more before it’s “safe” to lift the restrictions on the economy.  But “because a lot of old people go to church” I’d bet restrictions on them stay for a long time to come.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 09, 2020, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 08, 2020, 08:34:15 AM
^^^I cannot remember the last time I saw someone wearing furs in Seattle.

I can't remember the last time I saw anyone wearing a new real fur coat. Occasionally I will see a ladies over 60 wearing a synthetic fur coat. I have a couple friends with fur coats from thrift/antique stores. You do see some folks wearing the synthetic or rabbit fur mad bomber hats in public on the really cold days, that is about it.

I would really like a raccoon stadium or car coat, but I'm worried about some schmuck pouring paint on it.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 09, 2020, 11:04:15 AM

If that’s the case it’ll be prioritized to health care workers and the ultra rich first and powerful politicians of course.  

I would expect large urban areas as well, to include the ultra rich and the ultra poor. Based on both my economic status and geography, I expect I'll be one of the last people to get it. :)

The Boise metro actually has more large, advanced hospitals than I've seen in many even much more populous areas, so they would likely have the infrastructure to accept storage, and may already have some of the medical freezers, but it will do no good if there is no vaccine for them to store and distribute.

Apparently the vaccine also is only viable at refrigerator temperatures for 48 hours, so there is also going to be some logistical planning involved to ensure thawing/distribution are well-planned to avoid losing undoubtedly tight quantities of the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 09, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
Well, at least we'll have a fairly long window of opportunity to see what if any hideous side effects emerge from the new vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 09, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on November 09, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
Well, at least we'll have a fairly long window of opportunity to see what if any hideous side effects emerge from the new vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4)

If the choice is to agree with Andrew Cuomo or become a Reaver, Ima wear some skins.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 09, 2020, 04:16:32 PM
Wait'll you see the price tag ...

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 09, 2020, 04:44:59 PM
I wonder if the Biden administration will make the vaccine mandatory?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
^^^I wonder if there will be a national mask mandate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 09, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
^^^I wonder if there will be a national mask mandate.

Can that be enforced?  Even if it shouldn’t be enforceable I know most people won’t risk the cost of running it to SCOTUS.

I know here in WA they’re going after stores and whatnot that allow customers without masks inside with fines.  Not sure that’s really legal, maybe, but either way the WA Supreme Court won’t go against Inslee over anything, let alone a mask mandate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 09, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Can that be enforced?  Even if it shouldn’t be enforceable I know most people won’t risk the cost of running it to SCOTUS.

I know here in WA they’re going after stores and whatnot that allow customers without masks inside with fines.  Not sure that’s really legal, maybe, but either way the WA Supreme Court won’t go against Inslee over anything, let alone a mask mandate.

Biden has already announced he will pursue a national mask mandate. It sounds like he'll be ordering governors to do it, and if they refuse, he said he's going to county and city level officials to get them to require masks in their jurisdictions.

Which, if my own state is an average sample of something like that, it will be a mess. Our governor will not put out a statewide mask requirement, so various counties and cities are doing so while others (most) are not. It makes things incredibly confusing. You never know when or where someone will get upset with you over a mask. Most all stores here have "mask mandatory" signs, but depending on either the store or where it is, either everyone, some people, or nobody is wearing a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 09, 2020, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 09, 2020, 05:57:43 PM
Biden has already announced he will pursue a national mask mandate. It sounds like he'll be ordering governors to do it, and if they refuse, he said he's going to county and city level officials to get them to require masks in their jurisdictions.

Which, if my own state is an average sample of something like that, it will be a mess. Our governor will not put out a statewide mask requirement, so various counties and cities are doing so while others (most) are not. It makes things incredibly confusing. You never know when or where someone will get upset with you over a mask. Most all stores here have "mask mandatory" signs, but depending on either the store or where it is, either everyone, some people, or nobody is wearing a mask.

It's about the same here.  Depending on the county,  you roll the dice of "no one gives a *expletive deleted*it" to getting screeched at by some officious loser that's never had more authority than his cash register and mop bucket.

I'm still not wearing a *expletive deleted*ing mask.

I actually had a bit of fun at the polls last week.  I politely declined to wear the face diaper,  and this nice lady followed me around with a basket of them insisting I take one.  She lost, I voted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on November 09, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
Quote
I wonder if there will be a national mask mandate.

I’ve got your mandatory national mask mandate right here, Joe.

(https://cdn0-wideopencountry-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/cdn0.wideopencountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/johnny-cash-middle-finger.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 10, 2020, 04:00:42 AM
Can't they just mix the `Rona cure in with the chemtrail fluid and disperse it that way?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 10, 2020, 09:47:41 AM
My company just issued new mask strictures, apparently cowtowing to the Great Uniter, Uncle Joe.

It appears, but it's confirmed yet, that we're supposed to wear masks at ALL times when we're in the building, unless we're in our "office." No definition as to what that is. Are our cubicles, that already have distancing protocols built in, "assigned offices?"

No clarification so far, but as I look out over the area of cubicles about half the size of a football field, there are ZERO other people in here with me.

Mask is off, and it's staying off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 10, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
When I need to go in, which isn’t often, I just keep a mug of tea in front of me.  If a mask nazi hassles me I just say it was off while I was drinking the tea.  Given where my cube is located, and the paucity of people in that area, the risk is small but non-zero.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2020, 10:02:46 AM
My company requires masks for visitors and vendors, and for employees working with clients, but not generally for employees.  This is technically in compliance with the orders from the county we are in.  More or less.

A couple employees choose to wear the masks all the time, and a handful wear them every once in a while.  Most don't wear them at all.  I have one hanging by my desk should I need it, but that is rare.

I do wear a mask when I go to stores and so forth, but at least I don't have to worry about it at work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 10, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
As I'm sitting here I've seen multiple moving about the building without masks.

Those bastards are trying to kill us all!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on November 10, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
Three months ago the local teachers were all over Facebook and the news with “going back to in school learning will be the death of us all”

Now a week after the election the school districts have declared that “students are safer at school than at home from COVID”. I’m sure safer from being indoctrinated with the truth instead of Approved Government Nonsense is no small factor...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2020, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on November 10, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
Three months ago the local teachers were all over Facebook and the news with “going back to in school learning will be the death of us all”

Now a week after the election the school districts have declared that “students are safer at school than at home from COVID”. I’m sure safer from being indoctrinated with the truth instead of Approved Government Nonsense is no small factor...

Also while Jews are being arrested in NYC for gathering in their own homes, the ginormous Biden parties are all okie doke.

Because those Jews are all disease carriers and should carry a mark. Biden supporters have the super immunity gene.

Related, I heard on the news this morning that there is talk of, once the vaccine is wildly available, require us to carry papers providing proof of vaccination for public transport like airlines. It was just a TV snippet, so I don't know how valid it is, but in today's environment, it would not surprise me.  Icould even see them wanting to apply it well beyond public transport. "Want to eat in our restaurant? Show us your COVID card."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 10, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Papers please.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 10, 2020, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on November 10, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Papers please.

Du bist nicht mein Vorgesetzter!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 10, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
I am a jelly donut!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2020, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on November 10, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
I am a jelly donut!

You can be anything you want nowadays. Probably will even be separate restrooms for jelly donuts soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 10, 2020, 02:17:39 PM
You can be anything you want nowadays. Probably will even be separate restrooms for jelly donuts soon.
What, are you implying jelly donuts should be ashamed of their bodies?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2020, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: cordex on November 10, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
What, are you implying jelly donuts should be ashamed of their bodies?

At least they're not cream filled
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2020, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on November 10, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
I am a jelly donut!

You missed the "nicht." That should be "You are not a jelly donut."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on November 10, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Papers please.

I think you mean "Deine Papiere, Jude!"  shouted at the top of your lungs.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 12, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
No more 'medical mask exemptions' at Costco:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2020/11/12/costco-face-masks-policy-shields-medical-conditions-change-coronavirus/6263114002/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Ha! More masks will definitely end this plague! :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 12, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 12, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
No more 'medical mask exemptions' at Costco:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2020/11/12/costco-face-masks-policy-shields-medical-conditions-change-coronavirus/6263114002/


I've seen a few people wearing these incredibly ridiculous shields.   I find it ludicrous anyone would believe they would have any effect on stopping THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN -----ooooops,  I mean covid19 at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on November 12, 2020, 07:38:59 PM

I've seen a few people wearing these incredibly ridiculous shields.   I find it ludicrous anyone would believe they would have any effect on stopping THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN -----ooooops,  I mean covid19 at all.

You realize a lot of people don't care if they work, right? They just don't want to be hassled.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 12, 2020, 08:36:49 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gGMAAOSwz6tfmzTJ/s-l1600.jpg

Just gotta poke some air holes and voila, Costco compliant face shield.

Malicious compliance is best compliance.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 12, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
Starting next Monday, my local healthcare system is mandating all employees to wear a mask and face shield in all patient care and public areas of the facility.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2020, 09:42:37 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 12, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
Starting next Monday, my local healthcare system is mandating all employees to wear a mask and face shield in all patient care and public areas of the facility.

Gun control isn't working. We need more gun control.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 12, 2020, 09:45:04 PM
I've seen some "interesting" mask use by healthcare professionals in the last several month.
At my Doctor's office Tuesday for my annual physical everyone behind the glass check-in window was wearing a mask. 3 of the 5 had them below the nose and one of those had it on her chin. The Dr and the nurse that saw me were wearing what looked like some kind of duckbill mask.

When I had my shoulder surgery last month while I was in the prep and recovery area I saw a variety of mask usage from probably proper wear to hanging off one ear. I had to wear a paper mask while prepping for surgery. When they did the nerve block on my shoulder I was pretty doped up and must have fallen asleep. When I woke up from my nap I had an oxygen mask strapped to my face because my O2 levels had dropped too low, probably from wearing the stupid mask.

When I spent 3 days in the hospital in August for the gallbladder surgery the 1st nurse (nurse's aide?) was wearing a 3M respirator and a flip down face shield with full paper gown and shoe covers every time she came in the room, the rest of the nurses  and nurse's aides wore regular paper masks and the usual scrubs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 12, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 12, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
You realize a lot of people don't care if they work, right? They just don't want to be hassled.

Oh sure.   I'm one of them.  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
A guy I know has a plastic face shield that clips onto the bridge of the nose with a strip of adhesive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 13, 2020, 07:12:52 AM
Quote from: fistful on November 12, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
A guy I know has a plastic face shield that clips onto the bridge of the nose with a strip of adhesive.

Yes, a new invention.  It is called the Opti-grab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2020, 08:09:47 AM
Elon Musk takes four virus tests on the same day:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/musk-says-took-four-covid-19-tests-two-were-positive-two-negative
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 13, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 13, 2020, 08:09:47 AM
Elon Musk takes four virus tests on the same day:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/musk-says-took-four-covid-19-tests-two-were-positive-two-negative

Two positive and two negative?  Huh, imagine that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 13, 2020, 10:26:01 AM
My home county (Fairfax, Virginia) has issued Thanksgiving guidelines...

They're actually sane and reasonable, not the bullshit we've seen from other localities.

Mostly recommendations and especially not the strictures we've seen coming out of other commie states.

https://fairfaxcountyemergency.wpcomstaging.com/2020/11/02/guidelines-for-a-safe-and-relaxing-thanksgiving-during-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/11/12/102596225874741880/636x382_MP4_102596225874741880.mp4

Patient found dead of COVID in ER restroom in Italy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 13, 2020, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/11/12/102596225874741880/636x382_MP4_102596225874741880.mp4

Patient found dead of COVID in ER restroom in Italy.

Bound to happen,  somewhere, some country,  some ER  room.   It's odd ..... but is it really newsworthy??

But, ..... it is Italy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 13, 2020, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on November 13, 2020, 07:12:52 AM
Yes, a new invention.  It is called the Opti-grab.

No need to be a jerk ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 13, 2020, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/11/12/102596225874741880/636x382_MP4_102596225874741880.mp4

Patient found dead of COVID in ER restroom in Italy.

That link is to a very short, blurry video.  Did you mean to link to a story?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 12:48:20 PM
^^^There are a lot of stories on this but they don't have the video.  Here are a couple of the stories without the video:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-bathroom-death.html

https://www.insider.com/man-found-dead-bathroom-italian-emergency-room-possibly-covid-19-2020-11

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942419/Video-captures-shocking-scenes-Naples-hospital-corpse-covid-patient-slumped-toilet.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 13, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on November 13, 2020, 11:40:33 AM
No need to be a jerk ...


Millcreek has faced many challenges in his life. He was born a poor, black child.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 13, 2020, 01:12:55 PM
Millcreek has faced many challenges in his life. He was born a poor, black child.

Although the original comment was to Fly320s, this does give the opportunity to post:  (https://media.tenor.com/images/52048cf64e2f64ab2871596e5a44f9f6/raw)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 13, 2020, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Although the original comment was to Fly320s, this does give the opportunity to post:  (https://media.tenor.com/images/52048cf64e2f64ab2871596e5a44f9f6/raw)

Doh! Sorry.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 13, 2020, 05:32:23 PM
The oil cans are defective.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 13, 2020, 06:16:22 PM
Does this mean Fly320s is going to stay this color?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 13, 2020, 06:26:35 PM
Know what those masks do? They help you re-breathe all the Covid viruses you just exhaled, giving them another opportunity to infect you. Such a deal!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 13, 2020, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on November 13, 2020, 06:16:22 PM
Does this mean Fly320s is going to stay this color?


Only until I find my special purpose.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 14, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Trump is doing what I hoped he would - not sending vaccine to any state that won't immediately distribute it, instead sending the vaccine to where it will be distributed and used.

His comments have once again been purposely taken out of context by the unbiased MSM:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/14/absurd-misrepresentation-ny-ag-and-media-blasted-for-spin-on-trumps-covid-19-vaccine-comments/

What Trump said:

Quote
"Gov. Cuomo will have to let us know when he's ready for it. We can't be delivering it to a state that won't be giving it to it's people immediately."

What the MSM and NY said:

Quote
The Hill
@thehill
·
11h
Trump: New York won't receive COVID-19 vaccine immediately http://hill.cm/Rya5j0o

Quote
NY AG James
@NewYorkStateAG
·
16h
Any attempt by Donald Trump to deny New York access to a lifesaving #COVID19 vaccine will be met with a lawsuit, plain and simple.

Stop playing politics with people's lives.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 14, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
Quote
NY AG James
@NewYorkStateAG
·
16h
Any attempt by Donald Trump to deny New York access to a lifesaving #COVID19 vaccine will be met with a lawsuit, plain and simple.

Stop playing politics with people's lives.

 :lol:

Check with your boss, home-slice. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 14, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE

New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:

No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
No indoor dining at restaurants
Bars to close
Outdoor dining of no more than five people at a time
Takeout service allowed to continue
All museums, zoos, movie theaters, playhouses, etc. to close
All retailers to be limited to 25% capacity
Stores and other customer-facing businesses can ban anyone not wearing a mask

These restrictions will last at least four weeks
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 14, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 14, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE

New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:

No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
No indoor dining at restaurants
Bars to close
Outdoor dining of no more than five people at a time
Takeout service allowed to continue
All museums, zoos, movie theaters, playhouses, etc. to close
All retailers to be limited to 25% capacity
Stores and other customer-facing businesses can ban anyone not wearing a mask

These restrictions will last at least four weeks


Unless it's BLM or the rest of that merry band of aholes,  then they can do whatever they want..
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 14, 2020, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: Andiron on November 14, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Unless it's BLM or the rest of that merry band of aholes,  then they can do whatever they want..

The mantle of social righteousness provides total immunity to the coronavirus, didn't anyone tell you?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 15, 2020, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 14, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE

New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:

No indoor social gatherings of more than six people

.,..

These restrictions will last at least four weeks

(https://media.thedonald.win/post/IMBFH2hX.jpeg)


(https://media.thedonald.win/post/a4baGXC4.jpeg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/11/rural-hospitals-cant-afford-freezers-to-store-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/

Ultra-cold freezers are expensive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 15, 2020, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 14, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/inslee-to-ban-indoor-gatherings-and-dining-plus-issue-more-covid-19-restrictions-for-washington-state-industry-sources-say/?fbclid=IwAR0Nlk6Yb_0h4HJWPFMIXrIWUgRD72Erh_un_buBJBJPF3zYpypCBhGpCWE

New restrictions in Washington to be announced tomorrow:

No indoor social gatherings of more than six people
No indoor dining at restaurants
Bars to close
Outdoor dining of no more than five people at a time
Takeout service allowed to continue
All museums, zoos, movie theaters, playhouses, etc. to close
All retailers to be limited to 25% capacity
Stores and other customer-facing businesses can ban anyone not wearing a mask

These restrictions will last at least four weeks

  >:D ANDT YOU VILL LIKE IT!! Signed: Adolph Hitler >:D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2020, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/11/rural-hospitals-cant-afford-freezers-to-store-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/

Ultra-cold freezers are expensive.

I found it interesting to see the CDC telling hospitals not to buy the freezers. Expensive, yes, but $10K doesn't seem like all that much compared to other medical equipment. Certainly I wouldn't expect a rural clinic to buy one, but it seems like an appropriate expense for a rural/regional hospital.

It appears at least a half dozen facilities within an hour of me have the freezers. How much vaccine they can hold to cover the region I do not know, but an hour drive, or even two or three, is not a big deal, whether it be a rural resident, or a hospital delivering vaccine to a rural clinic, where, IIRC, the vaccine can be stored for 48 hours in normal refrigeration to be handed out to elderly, etc. that can't travel.

I know Dogmush mentioned that military resources to help with distribution are being ramped up, so mobile military medical units could be a workaround for freezers in very rural areas.

Just my layman's perspective, since I know zero about distribution and logistics in the medical field.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 15, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 15, 2020, 11:08:31 AM
I found it interesting to see the CDC telling hospitals not to buy the freezers. Expensive, yes, but $10K doesn't seem like all that much compared to other medical equipment. Certainly I wouldn't expect a rural clinic to buy one, but it seems like an appropriate expense for a rural/regional hospital.

It appears at least a half dozen facilities within an hour of me have the freezers. How much vaccine they can hold to cover the region I do not know, but an hour drive, or even two or three, is not a big deal, whether it be a rural resident, or a hospital delivering vaccine to a rural clinic, where, IIRC, the vaccine can be stored for 48 hours in normal refrigeration to be handed out to elderly, etc. that can't travel.

I know Dogmush mentioned that military resources to help with distribution are being ramped up, so mobile military medical units could be a workaround for freezers in very rural areas.

Just my layman's perspective, since I know zero about distribution and logistics in the medical field.

Liquid nitrogen and dewars are ubiquitous.  For short duration storage you don't necessarily need anything more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 15, 2020, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on November 15, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
Liquid nitrogen and dewars are ubiquitous.  For short duration storage you don't necessarily need anything more.

That was my first thought as well.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 04:45:17 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/11/933903848/wear-masks-to-protect-yourself-from-the-coronavirus-not-only-others-cdc-stresses?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1Ym5b_3T9UNINC2FcuyqlvNRAEYgI-CAXeldWKkP2Aru_px77vl5hcySE

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

The latest latest mask thoughts from the CDC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 15, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
The efficacy of masks is a debate worth having, but I have begun and will end with the opinion that expecting people to wear masks everywhere they go is not a reasonable request. Even if it seems reasonable to some, there exists a minority of us that find them intolerable. Not that I expect any sympathy for my weakness. I expect only unbelieving scorn. Nothing new for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2020, 06:21:54 PM
Covid in Italy possibly since September 2019:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF?taid=5fb1ae46aa7670000198d640&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2020, 09:28:23 PM
The WA restrictions include not have non-family members over unless they have been quarantined for a week and tested negative.  Not that we were intending to have anyone over for thanksgiving anyway, but they basically just made Thanksgiving gatherings illegal.

I guessing compliance will be low.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 15, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 15, 2020, 09:28:23 PM
The WA restrictions include not have non-family members over unless they have been quarantined for a week and tested negative.  Not that we were intending to have anyone over for thanksgiving anyway, but they basically just made Thanksgiving gatherings illegal.

I guessing compliance will be low.

Again, where are the lawsuits?  The governor can't just mandate new "rules".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2020, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: Andiron on November 15, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
Again, where are the lawsuits?  The governor can't just mandate new "rules".

A little tinfoily, but I can't help but think part of this is related to the left's hatred of Thanksgiving. They dislike Christmas, so we'll see what the rules are then. After that, we'll see how restricted MLK Day gatherings are. Or Biden's swearing in parties.


EDIT: Well...

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/15/dr-fauci-warns-about-christmas-gatherings-says-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-even-with-a-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 10:07:26 PM
^^^More like a lot tinfoilly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 15, 2020, 10:08:19 PM
Quote from: Andiron on November 15, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
Again, where are the lawsuits?  The governor can't just mandate new "rules".

You can challenge the new rules in court, or you can just ignore them.  Which is cheaper?  If you're a bar or restaurant or barber with a state-issued license to operate, court might be cheaper than risking losing you license.  For normal people, just ignore and keep a low profile.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 15, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 15, 2020, 10:08:19 PM
You can challenge the new rules in court, or you can just ignore them.  Which is cheaper?  If you're a bar or restaurant or barber with a state-issued license to operate, court might be cheaper than risking losing you license.  For normal people, just ignore and keep a low profile.

This is my point.  These stupid mandates are putting many businesses on track for bankruptcy and there isn't so much as a concerted legal effort to oppose them?  If that's the case,  every other noise we've ever made that sounds like Molon Labe is a joke.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2020, 11:24:55 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 10:07:26 PM
^^^More like a lot tinfoilly.

I guess, except for the whole blm and biden celebration immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 15, 2020, 11:39:14 PM
In Wisconsin and at least one other state but I don't remember where, the diktats have been challenged in court and struck down, because the executive branch did not have the authority to issue them (or only for 45 days), or because there was a specific process to do it legally and they didn't even try to follow the process.

Here's my problem: the mayor or the governor or the secretary of health issues an order that no more than 6 people can gather for Thanksgiving dinner.  (what if you're the Duggars and have 10 people in your household?)  Well, *expletive deleted*ck you, I will invite as many as I want.  But how many do I actually want to invite?  Zero.  :mad:  It's the same with the masks; I wear a KN95 mask when I go out because I can't get a real N95, and it protects me.  (it protects you from me even more, but I don't care about that)  I also wash my hands a lot and I don't go out much.  It kinda pisses me off when someone gives me an illegal order to do what I'm already doing anyway  🖕 (it's kinda small but that's a middle finger, not a thumb)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2020, 07:12:02 AM
Starting to see purchase limit signs again.

Went grocery shopping yesterday and there were purchase limit signs on a number of products in the paper goods and cleaning aisles.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 16, 2020, 08:32:35 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 15, 2020, 10:07:26 PM
^^^More like a lot tinfoilly.

The left wants to remove the influence of Christian morality and ethics from the public square, via both the debauchery of the entertainment industry and legislation.

The left has waged legal battles for decades against the people exercising their religious liberty at any event or activity that the government is involved with regardless of the wishes of the participants.

The left unhappy with their above successes want to now control the actual public assembly of Christians and I suspect soon will try and legislate what can be said from the pulpit.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 08:34:33 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 15, 2020, 11:39:14 PM
In Wisconsin and at least one other state but I don't remember where, the diktats have been challenged in court and struck down, because the executive branch did not have the authority to issue them (or only for 45 days), or because there was a specific process to do it legally and they didn't even try to follow the process.

Here's my problem: the mayor or the governor or the secretary of health issues an order that no more than 6 people can gather for Thanksgiving dinner.  (what if you're the Duggars and have 10 people in your household?)  Well, *expletive deleted*ck you, I will invite as many as I want.  But how many do I actually want to invite?  Zero.  :mad:  It's the same with the masks; I wear a KN95 mask when I go out because I can't get a real N95, and it protects me.  (it protects you from me even more, but I don't care about that)  I also wash my hands a lot and I don't go out much.  It kinda pisses me off when someone gives me an illegal order to do what I'm already doing anyway  🖕 (it's kinda small but that's a middle finger, not a thumb)

I just read this morning that the WA governor is livid at the ID governor because he won't order the same kind of restrictions as WA (bordering states). Yet as you point out above, what's the point of a ridiculously restrictive order that no one will follow? Seems it makes you look weaker as a leader. The ID governor does recommend similar things, like reducing the number of guests in a private home, but doesn't enforce it.

If he did, it would be kind of ridiculous, because like many other governors, he has an exemption for political and religious gatherings. That encourages that middle finger that Bob gave above when at the same time you are ORDERING people to keep numbers in their own homes smaller than many families. Plus again, not differentiating between an apartment and a McMansion with the occupancy requirements.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 09:02:57 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/moderna-says-its-coronavirus-vaccine-is-more-than-94percent-effective.html

Dow futures are up over 400 points on 10/16/2020 on news of the Moderna vaccine testing out at 94% effective.  It does not need a super cold chain, unlike the Pfizer vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
Ugh... just ugh...

The customer I support is now STRONGLY suggesting that people don't travel at all for Thanksgiving, even within the same state... Basically stay at home and celebrate with who and what you've got.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 16, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 16, 2020, 07:12:02 AM
Starting to see purchase limit signs again.

Went grocery shopping yesterday and there were purchase limit signs on a number of products in the paper goods and cleaning aisles.

I think they do that so you'll come back more often to level out their cash flow - and help spread the virus if you have it, or can get more exposure to it.  >:D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 16, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
North Dakota went to a state wide mask mandate (11-14-2020) (https://apnews.com/article/bismarck-north-dakota-coronavirus-pandemic-45788d9dfaae23c1db8125088dfa242b)

Quote
Failure to comply comes with a penalty of up to $1,000, though it’s unclear how the order will be enforced.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 05:19:32 PM
Quote
Failure to comply comes with a penalty of up to $1,000, though it’s unclear how the order will be enforced.

Capriciously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 05:24:39 PM
The local stores and Costco locations are cleaned out of toilet paper, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sanitizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 05:24:39 PM
The local stores and Costco locations are cleaned out of toilet paper, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sanitizer.

Shoot. I was at Costco this morning and forgot to do an APS inventory check in that section since  Ididn't need anything.

I will say that my Costco had a ton of little 12-15lb turkeys and only a few larger turkeys, which seems to jive with people having smaller gatherings. I bought two twelve pounders. The second because it's hard to find turkeys at Xmas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 16, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 16, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Shoot. I was at Costco this morning and forgot to do an APS inventory check in that section since  Ididn't need anything.

I will say that my Costco had a ton of little 12-15lb turkeys and only a few larger turkeys, which seems to jive with people having smaller gatherings. I bought two twelve pounders. The second because it's hard to find turkeys at Xmas.

Is it cold enough there yet to store the extra turkey in the trunk of your car?   :lol:  It's not quite that cold here yet.  I'm kinda hoping we get there next week (and lose most of the clouds and wind and humidity) just so I can buy an extra turkey or two while they are on sale at Aldi.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 16, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
Is it cold enough there yet to store the extra turkey in the trunk of your car? 

Almost, but in the meantime I'm making good use of the new chest freezer.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
Has anyone heard from Brian lately?

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/125398772_4180631608624485_5267259648424978624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=D4THuuOrQTsAX8SuvF7&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=83711a4b7b8b9ea61a23fd47514bb4a1&oe=5FD95CBF)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 06:01:26 PM
CA is possibly going to a curfew:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/16/this-is-getting-ridiculous-calif-gov-gavin-newsom-reportedly-considering-statewide-curfew-but-first-wants-to-review-studies-from-where/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 16, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 16, 2020, 05:57:28 PM
Almost, but in the meantime I'm making good use of the new chest freezer.  :laugh:


If the freezer is new you should be fine.  It's not full yet :D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2020, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 16, 2020, 06:38:17 PM

If the freezer is new you should be fine.  It's not full yet :D

I'm already thinking I should have gotten the next size up.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 16, 2020, 07:30:10 PM
Iowa just went to mask required indoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 16, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 16, 2020, 07:19:19 PM
I'm already thinking I should have gotten the next size up.  :rofl:

Just like a safe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 08:48:26 PM
I just bought a box of 30 rolls of Amazon Domino 2 ply toilet paper. $19.95 per box and I bought two. I can't tell if buying toilet paper on Amazon represents a new personal low or a smart leveraging of technology.  I remember earlier this year when even Amazon was backordered for months for any kind of toilet paper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 16, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 08:48:26 PM
I just bought a box of 30 rolls of Amazon Domino 2 ply toilet paper. $19.95 per box and I bought two. I can't tell if buying toilet paper on Amazon represents a new personal low or a smart leveraging of technology.  I remember earlier this year when even Amazon was backordered for months for any kind of toilet paper.

Convenient, but is it decent bog roll?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 16, 2020, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 05:24:39 PM
The local stores and Costco locations are cleaned out of toilet paper, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sanitizer.

I was at the stupidmarket on Saturday. No shortages of toilet paper or paper towels, but the facial tissue shelves were just about bare. Still no Clorox Wipes, but they did have a few pouches of some brand wipes I have never heard of that claim the same 98% effective that Clorox does, so I grabbed a couple.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Andiron on November 16, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
Convenient, but is it decent bog roll?

I will most definitely report back.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 16, 2020, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 16, 2020, 09:11:36 PM
I will most definitely report back.

 :laugh:

Serious business in the Kung Flu era.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 16, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Mid America no tp or paper towels
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 16, 2020, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 15, 2020, 09:47:26 PM
A little tinfoily, but I can't help but think part of this is related to the left's hatred of Thanksgiving. They dislike Christmas, so we'll see what the rules are then.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.thebackyardprovider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/christmas1.jpg?resize=474%2C380)


(just ignore the text in the lower right corner)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2020, 07:29:30 AM
Damn it, I stopped in the store this morning on the way back from taking Seren to day care and I forgot to get toilet paper. I have an OK amount, but if we're hit with another run like we were at the beginning of this mess I won't be.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 17, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
Don't forget to stock up on corn cobs, my friends. Be careful, however. They are not septic system compliant.  =D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2020, 10:05:20 AM
Just talked with Castle Key. I'm intending on spending Thanksgiving with him, his wife, and his family as I have done for a number of years now. Only, this year I told him that, if he had any concerns for his elderly Mother, I had no problem with not coming. Seren and I will stay home and I'll cook a ham or something.

Also told him that if anyone at my office gets the 'Rona I will not be down.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Covid means we need more gun control or something

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/missouri-doctors-gun-violence-and-covid-19-are-the-same-thing/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 17, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 17, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Covid means we need more gun control or something

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/missouri-doctors-gun-violence-and-covid-19-are-the-same-thing/

That's so stupid I can't really think of a response to it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 17, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
My local grocery store is fully stocked on paper products.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 17, 2020, 01:45:06 PM
My local grocery store has never gotten their shelf stock quite up to what it was a year ago, but they had plenty this morning.  I don't have a huge amount, but I can go a while without issue. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
Local Costco
Zero TP
Zero PT
Zero bathroom cleaner
Zero liquid hand soap
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
I think I'm going to hit the store this evening after I get home and get another pack of TP, more frozen blueberries (they were pretty much gone for the better part of 3 months in the spring) and a few other things...

Soaps and cleaning products I'm pretty well stocked on, although I could use another spray bottle of either Fantastic or 409. The both do a good job of cutting cooking grease off the stove.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 17, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
North Central Ohio Sam's Club, 0900.

Business as usual.  Slightly reduced inventory of paper products but otherwise normal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 17, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Not sure if the bigger town south of me has gotten anything back in stock but I need to run by the doc tomorrow in a small town east of me. My pharmacy is inside the small grocery store so I will see what they have. I need paper towels and plates for my cabin living.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2020, 07:53:24 PM
Looks like Ohio beat Newsom to the punch: Curfew in effect for the next three weeks 2200-0500.

Not sure I get the point of a curfew (from the medical perspective - I get it from the commie pinko perspective). Wouldn't you want a "curfew" to run during business hours if you were trying to limit contact? If it's about bars and similar, just come out and say your closing them. Otherwise, most people are at home and in bed anyway.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/17/science-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-issues-a-statewide-curfew-for-21-days-to-stop-the-spread-of-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
∞ days to stop the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on November 17, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 17, 2020, 07:53:24 PM
Looks like Ohio beat Newsom to the punch: Curfew in effect for the next three weeks 2200-0500.

Not sure I get the point of a curfew (from the medical perspective - I get it from the commie pinko perspective). Wouldn't you want a "curfew" to run during business hours if you were trying to limit contact? If it's about bars and similar, just come out and say your closing them. Otherwise, most people are at home and in bed anyway.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/17/science-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-issues-a-statewide-curfew-for-21-days-to-stop-the-spread-of-covid/

Any good ideas for civil disobedience?  I'm generally in bed during those hours anyway but Il Duce down in Columbus has gone too far.  Driving around and yelling "you're not the boss of me" seems pointless.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on November 17, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: Andiron on November 17, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
Any good ideas for civil disobedience?  I'm generally in bed during those hours anyway but Il Duce down in Columbus has gone too far.  Driving around and yelling "you're not the boss of me" seems pointless.

Drive around and play the Purge siren instead
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on November 18, 2020, 12:02:52 AM
Quote from: fistful on November 15, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I expect only unbelieving scorn. Nothing new for me.

Well, when your name becomes the password to an exclusive haunt...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on November 18, 2020, 01:47:13 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 17, 2020, 07:29:30 AM
Damn it, I stopped in the store this morning on the way back from taking Seren to day care and I forgot to get toilet paper. I have an OK amount, but if we're hit with another run like we were at the beginning of this mess I won't be.

Phrasing, please!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2020, 07:21:54 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on November 18, 2020, 01:47:13 AM
Phrasing, please!

Yeah, well the phrasing came back to bite me at 3:30 this morning...

Seren had a case of the trots and she messed her fur. I had to give her a sponge bath to clean her up.

She was not happy with me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2020, 09:03:36 AM
I guess the TP hoarding is in fact back here. Though I forgot to look at my Costco the other day, photos on a local news site this morning showed empty Costco shelves. Though that might have been the Boise Costco. The Costco I go to is in Trump country, and we haven't been taking the virus that seriously anymore.

I'm still fine with my paper supplies for a good while, but I kinda want to just grab a case of TP everytime I go shopping just to further reduce the panic supply.  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 18, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
... And to think I threw away about 20 old phone books/yellow pages a few years ago ...  :facepalm:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 18, 2020, 12:08:47 PM
https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/spotlight-flu-season-where-hospitals-are-slammed-hardest

Quote
This year's flu season is wreaking havoc on hospitals across the country, with ERs overflowing, hospitals diverting patients and too few beds to go around.

NBC Bay Area reported Thursday that in some California counties the rate of flu cases has doubled in just the last couple weeks. Already the flu has killed at least 10 people across the state and hospitals are slammed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2020, 04:57:27 PM
Meanwhile, California's governor chooses to lead by example . . .



. . . okay, who am I kidding?


https://www.theblaze.com/news/photos-gavin-newsom-unmasked-restaurant

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 18, 2020, 05:26:44 PM
So I am golden:


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/125871030_505718010582119_8636258851641016480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=R8vzWJ60_tkAX-LRiLj&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=907651a10afd71f4e4845c2fbb6141eb&oe=5FDC7DA0)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 18, 2020, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 18, 2020, 05:26:44 PM
So I am golden:


(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/125871030_505718010582119_8636258851641016480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=R8vzWJ60_tkAX-LRiLj&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=907651a10afd71f4e4845c2fbb6141eb&oe=5FDC7DA0)

Oh, I remember and reluctantly used them in decades past...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 19, 2020, 03:48:29 AM
Quote from: HeroHog on November 18, 2020, 09:50:15 PM
Oh, I remember and reluctantly used them in decades past...

Times when it was absolutely appropriate to dry yours hands on sleeves or pants legs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on November 19, 2020, 03:58:22 AM
It used to be said that subway riders in NYC were immune to everything as well.  No exaggeration of the rush hour(s) human packing density is possible.  The social distance was a negative number in some instances.

On those roller towels... didn't a clean laundered section become available when you pulled the towel down?   I also think I recall some of them having levers on the side to get a fresh section.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 19, 2020, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: 230RN on November 19, 2020, 03:58:22 AM

On those roller towels... didn't a clean laundered section become available when you pulled the towel down?   I also think I recall some of them having levers on the side to get a fresh section.

In theory. That assumes that the venue replaced the towel with a fresh one when it reached the end of the roll ... which usually didn't happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 10:23:36 AM
Back to no in-dinning in KY. Sigh

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    Private gatherings - Must be limited to current household plus one other household and no more than 8 people total.
    Indoor venues, event spaces, theaters - No more than 25 people allowed. This includes funerals and weddings, but not church.
    Restaurants and bars - No more indoor dining. Outdoor service, delivery and to-go will be permitted. Beshear did say a $40 million fund is being launched to assist those impacted by the restriction. Anyone who qualifies can get up to $10,000.
    Gyms, fitness centers, pools - Occupancy must be reduced to 33%. Masking is required and group classes are not permitted.
https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-gets-slew-of-new-covid-19-restrictions-impacting-schools-restaurants-more/34717235
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 19, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
Virginia rolled out some new restrictions a few days ago, but they're pretty sedate compared to a lot of other places. I expect, however, for them to get a lot more stringent.

Here we go, straight from the office of Gov. Moonwalker himself...

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2020/november/headline-861342-en.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 19, 2020, 10:37:00 AM
This is the one that gets me...

"Strengthened enforcement within essential retail businesses: All essential retail businesses, including grocery stores and pharmacies, must adhere to statewide guidelines for physical distancing, wearing face coverings, and enhanced cleaning. While certain essential retail businesses have been required to adhere to these regulations as a best practice, violations will now be enforceable through the Virginia Department of Health as a Class One misdemeanor."

Get nailed on a class one misdemeanor in Virginia and I'm pretty sure that that can have a negative impact on your ability to get/keep your CCW.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 19, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
Virginia rolled out some new restrictions a few days ago, but they're pretty sedate compared to a lot of other places.

Well, hopefully you can still walk Seren, unlike:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/19/crikey-south-australia-police-tells-woman-shes-not-allowed-to-walk-her-dog-because-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 19, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
While my wife couldn't find TP or paper towels earlier this week in the larger town south of us where she works I was able to find then at the smaller town to the east across the street from my doctor.

While not fully stocked they had enough there was no limit sign yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 19, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
They can fine me all they want. I'm still walking Seren.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 02:00:15 PM
Enter AOC

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    To get the virus under control, we need to pay people to stay home.

    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 19, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/19/you-and-your-ideas-get-worse-by-the-day-brain-trust-aoc-mocked-for-her-bright-idea-on-how-to-get-covid-under-control-and-lol/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 19, 2020, 02:14:16 PM
I thought we already paid a LOT of people to stay home...

Welfare.

How's that working out?

No matter! Pluck the money we need from the magical money trees!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
So which workers exactly get to be paid to stay home? The plumber who you were gonna call because a pipe just burst? The Home Depot employees in case you were gonna go get the parts to fix it yourself? The people delivering all that *expletive deleted*it you're buying on Amazon because you're not going to stores? Or maybe all the grocery store employees?

Probably she means bartenders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 19, 2020, 02:50:19 PM
Silly you, obviously she means everyone who is not a member of the only critical profession... politicians.

Doctors, pharmacists, grocery workers? NON ESSENTIAL! Stay home!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on November 19, 2020, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 10:23:36 AM
Back to no in-dinning in KY. Sigh
https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-gets-slew-of-new-covid-19-restrictions-impacting-schools-restaurants-more/34717235

Isn't sighing sort of like second-degree whining?  >:D =D

And this  ;/ (eyeroll) is maybe third-degree whining?



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 19, 2020, 04:08:39 PM
I'd pay AOC to stay home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
Down to 46 rolls of toilet paper. Time to panic?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2020, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
Down to 46 rolls of toilet paper. Time to panic?

46? Biden lover.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 19, 2020, 04:38:06 PM
46? Biden lover.

49 if you count what's already hanging
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:41:06 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3skj0c.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
49 if you count what's already hanging

That's what she said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
If my daughter was still here I would actually be worried. A roll lasted maybe two days with her here. Now maybe two weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 19, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 19, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 19, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.

Lame. I spin it like that giant wheel on The Price is Right
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 19, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.

My wife is the same way.
I've told her countless times that I have seen it up close and personal and her hootchie ain't that big.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on November 19, 2020, 07:52:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 19, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
^^^If I could only break my wife of the habit of spinning the roll like she was on Wheel of Fortune.

Crush 'em so the internal cardboard tube is flat.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 19, 2020, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 19, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
Down to 46 rolls of toilet paper. Time to panic?

You're WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY  past time to panic. [tinfoil]  You're being lazy!  GET TO IT!!!! NOW!!!   :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 07:19:28 AM
I stopped by the store this morning on the way back from dropping Seren at daycare.

Very little ground beef.

Some other spots in the meats case that were pretty thin.

Plenty of hams.

Plenty of toilet paper. I picked up another 12 pack of quad rolls. That makes 2, plus the tail end of another package (probably 30 or so rolls altogether), so I should be good there.

I have a good amount of meat in the freezer. Still a bit low on some dry goods, but I'll be remedying that in the next few days.

What I don't have much of is chicken. I need to start freezing chicken breasts and thighs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 20, 2020, 07:19:28 AM
I stopped by the store this morning on the way back from dropping Seren at daycare.

Very little ground beef.
Some other spots in the meats case that were pretty thin.
Plenty of hams.

Plenty of toilet paper. I picked up another 12 pack of quad rolls. That makes 2, plus the tail end of another package (probably 30 or so rolls altogether), so I should be good there.

I have a good amount of meat in the freezer. Still a bit low on some dry goods, but I'll be remedying that in the next few days.

What I don't have much of is chicken. I need to start freezing chicken breasts and thighs.

Now is a good time to buy turkey.  You can pretend it's big chicken. :)  Roast a whole 22 lb turkey just for yourself.  Freeze 1 lb bags of leftovers.  Make stock from the skin and bones and scraps, and freeze that too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Roast a whole 22 lb turkey just for yourself. 

If you can find a 22lb bird.  :laugh:

Looks like there are way more small turkeys in the cases this year than big turkeys.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 09:48:39 AM
"Roast a whole 22 lb turkey just for yourself."

You seem to think I've never done that...

Sorry to disabuse you of the notion... :)

I have a 20 pounder in the freezer already. I bought that one mainly for making a huge pot of stock, which I've not gotten around to. I need to, because it's getting a bit on the older side... Turkey stock is some really magical stuff.

I'm likely going to pick up a 10-12 pounder either this weekend or right after the holiday. That one I will roast for me.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 09:54:12 AM
And these are exactly what I need for making stock...

https://www.amazon.com/ZEML-Deli-Storage-Containers-Leak-proof/dp/B07RRR7NQH/ref=sr_1_43?dchild=1&keywords=freezer+containers&qid=1605883926&sr=8-43

Decent price, too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 20, 2020, 09:54:12 AM
And these are exactly what I need for making stock...

https://www.amazon.com/ZEML-Deli-Storage-Containers-Leak-proof/dp/B07RRR7NQH/ref=sr_1_43?dchild=1&keywords=freezer+containers&qid=1605883926&sr=8-43

Decent price, too.

I went to a restaurant supply store a couple years ago and bought huge packages of plastic togo containers.  Quarts, pints, and lids.  They look a lot like those but they are thinner, and I think they were cheaper.  They make wonderful freezer containers, and they don't take up much space when empty.

Your link is a lot better than the 4-packs of freezer containers at Walmart, etc.  I used to buy those but they are way too expensive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 20, 2020, 10:33:27 AM
If you want a reliable stash of meat and poultry, keep it on the hoof and claw. It'll always be fresh.

You'll always have a goodly supply of eggs, milk, and fertilizer.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Yeah. My neighbors would be fine with me keeping a couple of cows in my suburban townhouse yard...

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 20, 2020, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 20, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Yeah. My neighbors would be fine with me keeping a couple of cows in my suburban townhouse yard...

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk


You probably ought to have a talk with the new ahole on your HOA board.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on November 20, 2020, 12:02:51 PM

You probably ought to have a talk with the new ahole on your HOA board.  =D

I did. The SOB said no.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 20, 2020, 12:38:40 PM
Got 15 turkeys in the yard still.  Had 16, but they killed one.  Fortunately my wife saw it happening and was able to salvage the meat.  Plus I have a 25lb turkey in the freezer from what I processed a couple months ago.  And 40 or so chickens.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2020, 01:05:50 PM
Dammit, China! While deciding what I want for lunch today, I have discovered the local pizza place is giving up. Guess I'll get one last pizza from them. I'm now down to one diner, one burger joint, and one hipster coffee and frufru croissants and stuff food place. Well, and Subway out on the highway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 02:12:07 PM
Ugh, that sucks.

My friends in Iowa took me to a restaurant they're very fond of when I was out in 2018. It's the one where I discovered Walleye.

He e-mailed me a few weeks ago all distraught... Covid killed it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
It occurs to me to ask...

Aren't there a number of diseases that can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time? If wearing masks in public is a reasonable means of saving people from those diseases, why haven't we been wearing them for the past hundred years, or however long it is we've known about germs?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 20, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
It occurs to me to ask...

Aren't there a number of diseases that can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time? If wearing masks in public is a reasonable means of saving people from those diseases, why haven't we been wearing them for the past hundred years, or however long it is we've known about germs?


I think they do in Japan and maybe Korea.  We don't in America because we are Americans, dammit!  At least we used to be.  (I still think voluntary masks is a good idea right now)  I know I'm a hypocrite; join the club.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
BECAUSE REASONS, GODDAMN IT!

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION YOUR INTELLECTUAL, POLITICAL, AND SOCIAL SUPERIORS!

PUT ON YOUR MASK!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 20, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
BECAUSE REASONS, GODDAMN IT!

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION YOUR INTELLECTUAL, POLITICAL, AND SOCIAL SUPERIORS!

PUT ON YOUR MASK!

I don't have many intellectual superiors. (probably a few on this board, and some of the people I work with, and maybe my pastor)  Political and social superiors?  Yeah, pretty much everybody :D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
You're a cisnormal white male shitlord! You have NO intellect, you insect!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 04:18:17 PM
I think they do in Japan and maybe Korea. 

Japanese and Koreans have not been wearing masks en masse for a hundred years.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 20, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Japanese and Koreans have not been wearing masks en masse for a hundred years.

Whenever I see pictures of crowds from over there, there's almost always one or two people wearing a mask.  (or maybe that's China and I'm a racist bastard who thinks they all look alike)  that's going back for years.  I assume it's people who are sick or think they might be sick.  That's the way to do it, IMHO.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 20, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 05:28:59 PM
Whenever I see pictures of crowds from over there, there's almost always one or two people wearing a mask.  (or maybe that's China and I'm a racist bastard who thinks they all look alike)  that's going back for years.  I assume it's people who are sick or think they might be sick.  That's the way to do it, IMHO.

Those are Chinese tourists, and I've seen buses discharging them at obligatory photo stops on tours. They ALL wear masks. They're like lemmings -- they don't take the time to read any historical markers or anything, they just get off the bus, they get in line to have their photo taken with the [__insert name of building or vista of interest __] in the background, then they all file back onto the bus and motor off to the next photo op.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
A lot of China masks for the past decade have been for pollution.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
2020 is so ridiculous that there is an Emmy award for virus response, and it's going to Cuomo.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/gov-andrew-cuomo-to-receive-emmy-award-for-his-leadership-during-pandemic

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on November 20, 2020, 07:09:06 PM
Stopped at the local WM to pickup some paper goods.  There was one bay of house brand paper towels and <20 packages of Brawny.  On the tp side there were 3 packs of Cottenelle, and half a bay of house brand.

They're still pretty well stocked in the meat dept.  Not very many large turkeys, most seemed to be around the 12lb range.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
I just got back from Sam's Club and Aldi.  I didn't check for tp at Aldi, but Sam's was out of it.  Sam's also didn't have #10 cans of any tomato products except diced and tomato sauce.  I used to buy Hunt's pizza sauce there for less than $3 per huge can; when I asked about it they said "we don't sell that anymore"  :'(  Probably because Costco doesn't sell it so now they don't have to either.

Aldi had plenty of 20 lb turkeys.  I didn't get one because it's too early, but I may regret that when I go to buy one on Tuesday and they are all gone.  They were a little low on 12-15 pounders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 20, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
I have some awesome looking thick steaks from a cow in the the field by the house. Then the girls decided they wanted tuna. WTF?

They are fired.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 20, 2020, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 20, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
It occurs to me to ask...

Aren't there a number of diseases that can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time? If wearing masks in public is a reasonable means of saving people from those diseases, why haven't we been wearing them for the past hundred years, or however long it is we've known about germs?


Start naming them, but let's start after modern microbiology/immunology so 1930s and forward. Exclude any disease that vaccines have essentially controlled, doesn't have a 1-3% mortality rate of the infected, isn't highly contagious, isn't aerosol/airborne, or not normally present in 1st world nations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: charby on November 20, 2020, 07:26:33 PM
Start naming them, but let's start after modern microbiology/immunology so 1930s and forward. Exclude any disease that vaccines have essentially controlled, doesn't have a 1-3% mortality rate, isn't highly contagious, isn't aerosol/airborne, or not normally present in 1st world nations.

Measles would do it, if too many stupid people don't get vaccinated.  We almost had that one eradicated, then people stopped getting vaccines, and we started importing potential new Democrats from 3rd world shithole countries and they brought it with them.  BTW, I put most of that blame on the anti-vax'ers, not the loose borders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2020, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 05:28:59 PM
Whenever I see pictures of crowds from over there, there's almost always one or two people wearing a mask.  (or maybe that's China and I'm a racist bastard who thinks they all look alike)  that's going back for years.  I assume it's people who are sick or think they might be sick.  That's the way to do it, IMHO.

I don't know what year you're living in, but in 2020, we're not talking about one or two people wearing masks as a personal choice. We're talking about the entire population being told we're all heartless granny-killers if we leave the house with our faces unmasked. That's a big ask.


Quote from: charby on November 20, 2020, 07:26:33 PM
Start naming them, but let's start after modern microbiology/immunology so 1930s and forward. Exclude any disease that vaccines have essentially controlled, doesn't have a 1-3% mortality rate of the infected, isn't highly contagious, isn't aerosol/airborne, or not normally present in 1st world nations.

No need to bark orders.

I asked about diseases that "can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time." I didn't say they had to have similar mortality rates. As an example, there's a yearly campaign for people to get flu vaccines, and many people do. This suggests the disease is fairly "serious," and spreads easily. Mortality rates aside, no one wants to have the flu, or give it to an older relative. Yet we haven't seen the equivalent of the current mask mandates.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 21, 2020, 01:03:28 AM
Brief background: California's governor Newsom has been pushing for some particularly draconian restrictions in the name of fighting the China virus.  Then he partied at a posh restaurant in the Napa Valley where there were no masks or social distancing.  Congressman Tom McClintock responds with his trademark snark:

https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1383191/mcclintock-let-us-not-criticize-governor-newsom.html

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2020, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on November 21, 2020, 01:03:28 AM
Brief background: California's governor Newsom has been pushing for some particularly draconian restrictions in the name of fighting the China virus.  Then he partied at a posh restaurant in the Napa Valley where there were no masks or social distancing.  Congressman Tom McClintock responds with his trademark snark:

https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1383191/mcclintock-let-us-not-criticize-governor-newsom.html



It would only shock me if he didn't do something like this.
The ultra rich flaunt their wealth, the elites flaunt their privileged
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
The rich and powerful on the left act like the China virus isn't that dangerous when nobody is looking.

The influential people in "science" falsely called so act like the risk isn't that great when among their own or nobody is looking (Fauci a couple times for instance).

The rich and powerful on the right act like the China virus isn't that dangerous when nobody is looking as well.

We have seen it not once, not twice but, we have seen it multiple times across the country and we know the truth.

The virus has ripped through the Trump White House and ... everyone is back to work.

The virus is impacting my place of business also as folks either contract it or are part of the contact tracing, then two weeks later ... wait for it ... they come back to work.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds is not an organic happenstance (it can be though), often it is the direct manipulation of the people using all the tools of persuasion by those who hold the reins of power.

The virus isn't a hoax or a delusion, the response has been madness and delusional or ... the response has been carefully planned to kick off a great reset?

You know what I mean  ;)

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Trump Jr. has it. Guess that explains the dancing in the streets
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 07:30:27 PM
Measles would do it, if too many stupid people don't get vaccinated.  We almost had that one eradicated, then people stopped getting vaccines, and we started importing potential new Democrats from 3rd world shithole countries and they brought it with them.  BTW, I put most of that blame on the anti-vax'ers, not the loose borders.

If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 21, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right?
Nope. Vaccines are not 100% protection. They significantly decrease the likelihood that you will get the disease and reduce the severity if you do get it, but the real value is not when one person gets it, but when almost everyone gets it. The more effective the vaccine and the greater percentage who get it, the more likely it will prevent spread
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2020, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.

Woody

Well said.

Inoculating everyone against every known communicable disease is unrealistic.

Controlling the borders and quarantining legal immigrants from high risk areas to make sure they aren't carriers of a communicable disease should be SOP.

We can call it sheltering in place to make it more palatable to those who disagree.    
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: fistful on November 20, 2020, 11:38:05 PM
No need to bark orders.

I asked about diseases that "can be very serious, can spread in a similar fashion to the Wu-flu, and have been with us for some time." I didn't say they had to have similar mortality rates. As an example, there's a yearly campaign for people to get flu vaccines, and many people do. This suggests the disease is fairly "serious," and spreads easily. Mortality rates aside, no one wants to have the flu, or give it to an older relative. Yet we haven't seen the equivalent of the current mask mandates.


There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.

BS, every 5-10 years there are stories about overwhelmed hospitals from flu outbreaks.

The reported mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably BS also. Nobody even hides the fact that dying with Covid is always reported as dying from Covid.

Wash your hands, wear a mask if it reduces your anxiety or you wish not to inadvertently spread it yourself should you happen to contract the infection.

If you have symptoms self quarantine. If you are high risk take extra precautions.

You should stop the fear mongering Charby. This isn't the Black Death.

Spreading irrational fear and blowing everything out of proportion is not helpful to anyone, well, some are profiting but that's a different story.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 21, 2020, 11:33:52 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.

We are pretty darn close to this if you believe the reporting.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 21, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore.

About three days ago, in this very thread, I posted this:

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https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/spotlight-flu-season-where-hospitals-are-slammed-hardest

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This year's flu season is wreaking havoc on hospitals across the country, with ERs overflowing, hospitals diverting patients and too few beds to go around.

NBC Bay Area reported Thursday that in some California counties the rate of flu cases has doubled in just the last couple weeks. Already the flu has killed at least 10 people across the state and hospitals are slammed.

I just wondered if anyone would point out that it's from 2018.

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Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection.

Sometimes people get caught up in one argument, and don't realize when someone makes a similar, but related, argument. This isn't about whether or not C-19 is a uniquely terrible disease. The question I'm asking is, if universal masking is a reasonable way to deal with this disease, why hasn't everyone been wearing masks all the time, to keep down other diseases? Diseases don't have to be deadly for people to take steps to avoid them.

Or, because it's commonly believed that working with small children is a good way to get and spread diseases, why haven't kindergarten and preschool teachers been wearing masks for the past hundred years?


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: Ron on November 21, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
BS, every 5-10 years there are stories about overwhelmed hospitals from flu outbreaks.

The reported mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably BS also. Nobody even hides the fact that dying with Covid is always reported as dying from Covid.

Wash your hands, wear a mask if it reduces your anxiety or you wish not to inadvertently spread it yourself should you happen to contract the infection.

You should stop the fear mongering Charby.

Spreading irrational fear and blowing everything out of proportion is not helpful to anyone, well, some are profiting but that's a different story.





Show me those articles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 21, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Show me those articles.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1280794#msg1280794

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1281150#msg1281150
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2020, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Show me those articles.

2009
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/swine-flu-stretch-icu-availability/story?id=8665454

2018
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

2015
https://www.daytondailynews.com/lifestyles/health/local-hospitals-ask-flu-patients-stay-away/I5jeXotxyNmHmZDIxgGHgI/

Add in other infectious diseases and you see all kinds of stories from around the country.

Emergency rooms and ICU's aren't designed and staffed to sit around on standby with a lot of excess capacity. I think it was they were designed to operate at 65% capacity normally.

Stop being a fear mongerer and learn how to GOOGLE yourself.

I posted links right away just show how ridiculous you are being.

The results were very dominated by 2018 btw and then the earlier swine flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 21, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.

Woody

Loose borders is a bigger problem overall than the anti-vax idiots.  (I will throw them a bone that the immunization schedule for infants might be too aggressive.)  But people not getting immunized is why measles &c is able to take hold and spread when the illegals bring it here.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on November 21, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Show me those articles.

How about this one where Cuomo says they were never overwhelmed by covid:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 21, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
Speaking of the regular flu overwhelming ERs, wasn't it last year, or perhaps the year before, where flu so overwhelmed the glorious socialist British medical system that they had to cancel virtually all routine procedures, as well as quite a few medically necessary procedures...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 21, 2020, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on November 21, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
How about this one where Cuomo says they were never overwhelmed by covid:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/

Well Ronnie Deutch better fire up the class action lawsuit for all the folks who's non covid issues were denied.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 21, 2020, 02:16:57 PM
I'm in my deer blind, I will read those posted articles later and comment back. Might be a few days if I'm cutting up a couple deer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 21, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
Wife just got back from Sam's Club and Target.  Target limited everyone to one 12-pack of TP and one 6-pack of paper towels.  Sam's Club was wiped out, no paper products at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2020, 04:10:53 PM
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    From a college professor:

    You are a disingenuous ahole. I hope you have a huge Thanksgiving and everyone at it gets coronavirus. You are such an idiot. Make sure your whole family including your grandparents are there and then you can play Russian roulette with their lives.

    — Charles V Payne (@cvpayne) November 21, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/21/unity-and-healing-update-charles-payne-shares-note-from-super-tolerant-college-professor-about-thanksgiving-and-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 21, 2020, 04:11:15 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 21, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
Wife just got back from Sam's Club and Target.  Target limited everyone to one 12-pack of TP and one 6-pack of paper towels.  Sam's Club was wiped out, no paper products at all.

My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 21, 2020, 04:11:15 PM
My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent :P

Yeah, I think calling those big rolls 'smearing paper' is a much better apt description.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2020, 05:56:27 PM
"Get a warrant." :)

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/go-get-a-warrant-business-owners-in-buffalo-win-a-standoff-with-state-health-inspector-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2020, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 21, 2020, 04:11:15 PM
My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent :P

Thanks, you've single handedly started a run on wax paper.   :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 21, 2020, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 21, 2020, 05:56:27 PM
"Get a warrant." :)

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/go-get-a-warrant-business-owners-in-buffalo-win-a-standoff-with-state-health-inspector-video/

That business will lose it's license.  But the sheriff's deputies knew they were right; the inspector was supposed to leave once they were told they were trespassing and they didn't have a warrant.  No idea what the alleged anonymous complaint was about.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on November 21, 2020, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
This story wasn't published in any media but I can verify the accuracy of it:

  Jan 2018;  I'd been feeling "not well" most of the morning.  Early afternoon, when I could no longer stand upright, DW called the ambulance.  When they arrived they tentatively diagnosed a problem with my appendix.

  The EMT's weren't able to take me to my usual hospital - they were over-run with flu cases.  So I was shuttled to another hospital.  Upon arrival they said I couldn't be admitted there - their ER was over-run with flu cases.  I was transferred to a different ambulance (the first one couldn't serve outside the county) and taken to a third hospital - where I was almost turned away, again because of too many flu cases.  Fortunately one of the doc's saw me on the gurney in the hall and took pity on me. 

  A couple hours later my appendix was out.  It'd burst some time during the run around...

  Anyway, yeah, the "normal" flu can overwhelm our medical system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 22, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on November 20, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
I just got back from Sam's Club and Aldi.  I didn't check for tp at Aldi, but Sam's was out of it.  Sam's also didn't have #10 cans of any tomato products except diced and tomato sauce.  I used to buy Hunt's pizza sauce there for less than $3 per huge can; when I asked about it they said "we don't sell that anymore"  :'(  Probably because Costco doesn't sell it so now they don't have to either.

Aldi had plenty of 20 lb turkeys.  I didn't get one because it's too early, but I may regret that when I go to buy one on Tuesday and they are all gone.  They were a little low on 12-15 pounders.

I just got back from Aldi.  They were almost out of the 69¢ turkeys; I got the last one, a 15 pounder.  (they may get more, I dunno)  Also bought a 22# Butterball for 87¢ a pound.  The little one is in the freezer already.  I will probably cook that one for Christmas.  The big one is still sitting on the counter, I need to bring up an ice chest and put it in that and set it outside.  It should still be mostly frozen that way on Thursday morning.
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Post by: Angel Eyes on November 22, 2020, 06:35:18 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 22, 2020, 07:06:06 PM
We stopped at CVS after church and found they had a fair stock of TP.  In fact, they were selling both 4-packs and 12-packs at by one, get one free.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 22, 2020, 07:49:06 PM
No TP shortage in the STL suburbs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 22, 2020, 09:00:06 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/health/Covid-ventilators-stockpile.html

As I have mentioned before, the current issue is not so much a shortage of beds or ventilators, as it is a shortage of the staff to run the beds and ventilators.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2020, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 22, 2020, 09:00:06 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/health/Covid-ventilators-stockpile.html

As I have mentioned before, the current issue is not so much a shortage of beds or ventilators, as it is a shortage of the staff to run the beds and ventilators.
There was never a shortage of ventilators.  There was a shortage based on someone's estimate of how many ventilators they would need. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: charby on November 21, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.
charby, are there any numbers on how many people have chronic issues following infection and what those are? 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 22, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
I didn't realize that the flu caused some US hospitals in recent times to be overwhelmed where they were full up in ER or even in the ICU/general wards. That didn't happen where I live, even though we have a large percentage of our population being elderly. I do remember in 2009 where there was teams created at my employer to handle different levels of the potential pandemic with H1N1. Where I was living, folks go the flu, but nothing was extra ordinary in my experiences where I lived and worked.

2018, I live now in the same place I live now. If anyone was close to you with the flu, you were just handed Tamiflu meds without even going to the Dr, a phone call got you a prescription. That is probably why nothing was overwhelmed in Iowa.

I do remember a couple older folks dying from pneumonia after getting the flu both times and going to their funerals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 22, 2020, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 21, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
About three days ago, in this very thread, I posted this:


I just wondered if anyone would point out that it's from 2018.

Sometimes people get caught up in one argument, and don't realize when someone makes a similar, but related, argument. This isn't about whether or not C-19 is a uniquely terrible disease. The question I'm asking is, if universal masking is a reasonable way to deal with this disease, why hasn't everyone been wearing masks all the time, to keep down other diseases? Diseases don't have to be deadly for people to take steps to avoid them.

Or, because it's commonly believed that working with small children is a good way to get and spread diseases, why haven't kindergarten and preschool teachers been wearing masks for the past hundred years?




I'm guessing the risk assessment of influenza wasn't great enough to warrant teachers wearing masks for most of those flu seasons. I do know that schools will shutdown here for a couple weeks if the # of students with influenza reaches a certain percentage, I don't know what that percentage is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 22, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:29 PM
charby, are there any numbers on how many people have chronic issues following infection and what those are? 


Unfortunately it will probably be years before hard numbers. I wonder how many years it took to figure out heart issues form measles?

From the Mayo Clinic, Nov 17, 2020

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

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Organ damage caused by COVID-19

Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

•Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
•Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
•Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.


Blood clots and blood vessel problems



COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.


Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.


Problems with mood and fatigue



People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.


Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.


Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown



Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.


Many large medical centers are opening specialized clinics to provide care for people who have persistent symptoms or related illnesses after they recover from COVID-19.

It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 22, 2020, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on November 21, 2020, 11:33:52 AM
We are pretty darn close to this if you believe the reporting.  

I hope if it's true that it is wildly distributed. I hope the IA governor isn't in charge of distribution here, her Covid 19 testing program is a shitshow here to get tested. To get tested in my home county, you have to have your primary doctor order it for you, unfortunately by the time your Dr calls you back, you have to wait 2-3 days for your scheduled exam. I've been going 3 counties to the West where I can call before 9am and get a test done that afternoon.

If I was in charge, every county seat (multiple locations in larger towns) would have drive up testing, no appointment needed, open from 6am-11pm, seven days a week. I would have any many state government employees as possible temporality donning PPE and collecting samples, site could be overseen by a nurse/DR/etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 22, 2020, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: charby on November 22, 2020, 09:51:40 PM
I'm guessing the risk assessment of influenza wasn't great enough to warrant teachers wearing masks for most of those flu seasons.

You're just assuming the authorities were right about masks then, and are right now. A disastrous mistake, as we have seen. Instead of talking vaguely of risk assessments, you can just say you don't have an answer.

Also, how high must the risk level be to require teachers to wear masks at school during flu season? Keep in mind, we're now required to believe that "just wearing a mask" is hardly a burden at all. For everyone. In every public place. And not just in flu season. "Just" wear a mask, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 23, 2020, 12:08:29 AM
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Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

•Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
•Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.

This is the part that worries me. My heart is already severely compromised, so I don't need to add any more stressors to it. And two years ago I was hospitalized with a collapsed lung, and the docs told me that I probably shouldn't fly again -- so I also don't think something that can damage the lungs would be a good thing for me.

Consequently, I'm hiding out to the maximum extent possible. Some good friends just invited me to their Thanksgiving dinner, and I had to decline. Both parents work, the two sons are in the public school and their daughter is in collage in another state -- and will be coming home for Thanksgiving. There's just too much chance that one of them might be an asymptomatic carrier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 08:58:10 AM
Oh no! That bastard Donald Trump is out golfing while he has a sick child at home (and it's not Barron)!

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/23/msnbc-producer-questions-why-president-trump-golfed-while-don-jr-recovers-from-his-asymptomatic-case-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 08:59:22 AM
An article from May that turns out to be more correct than than all the fear mongering from official experts back then.

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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans with COVID-19 symptoms is 0.4 percent. The CDC also estimates that 35 percent of people infected by the COVID-19 virus never develop symptoms. Those numbers imply that the virus kills less than 0.3 percent of people infected by it—far lower than the infection fatality rates (IFRs) assumed by the alarming projections that drove the initial government response to the epidemic, including broad business closure and stay-at-home orders.

https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-cdcs-new-best-estimate-implies-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2020, 09:08:43 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 23, 2020, 08:58:10 AM
Oh no! That bastard Donald Trump is out golfing while he has a sick child at home (and it's not Barron)!

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/23/msnbc-producer-questions-why-president-trump-golfed-while-don-jr-recovers-from-his-asymptomatic-case-of-covid-19/

Replace Trump with Obama or maybe even Biden and/or Harris in that and they would be gushing how brave and heroic he is being in the face of a deadly pandemic     
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
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Media messaging in the US is already ramping up expectations of a "second wave."

The survival rate of COVID-19 has been upgraded since May to 99.8% of infections. This comes close to ordinary flu, the survival rate of which is 99.9%. Although COVID can have serious after-effects, so can flu or any respiratory illness. The present survival rate is far higher than initial grim guesses in March and April, cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, of 94%, or 20 to 30 times deadlier. The Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) value accepted by Yeadon et al in the paper is .26%. The survival rate of a disease is 100% minus the IFR.

Dr. Yeadon pointed out that the "novel" COVID-19 contagion is novel only in the sense that it is a new type of coronavirus. But, he said, there are presently four strains which circulate freely throughout the population, most often linked to the common cold.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pandemic-over-former-pfizer-chief-science-officer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 23, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 20, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
2020 is so ridiculous that there is an Emmy award for virus response, and it's going to Cuomo.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/gov-andrew-cuomo-to-receive-emmy-award-for-his-leadership-during-pandemic



What's he receiving for murdering all of the elderly in the nursing homes by forcing 'Rona patients into those same nursing homes?

A Nobel Prize in medicine?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 23, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
What's he receiving for murdering all of the elderly in the nursing homes by forcing 'Rona patients into those same nursing homes?

A Nobel Prize in medicine?

Concentration Camp Kommandant of the Year
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 23, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Award for most kills.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2020, 03:01:17 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/many-studies-find-that-cloth-masks-do-not-stop-viruses-like-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 23, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 22, 2020, 11:20:06 PM
You're just assuming the authorities were right about masks then, and are right now. A disastrous mistake, as we have seen. Instead of talking vaguely of risk assessments, you can just say you don't have an answer.

Also, how high must the risk level be to require teachers to wear masks at school during flu season? Keep in mind, we're now required to believe that "just wearing a mask" is hardly a burden at all. For everyone. In every public place. And not just in flu season. "Just" wear a mask, right?

I've had about 300 miles on the road to think about this. Could it be as simple as most folks who have influenza do show symptoms and there is a sizable percentage of folks positive with Covid (can spread the disease) are asymptomatic? Also they way it understood that the primary mission of a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus if they are positive (especially asymptomatic) and a very minor secondary is preventing the wearing from catching the virus.

I hate wearing a mask, period and I can't wait for a vaccine (or  sizeable) decrease in the infection rate so I don't need to wear one when I go into any businesses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 23, 2020, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: charby on November 23, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
I hate wearing a mask, period and I can't wait for a vaccine (or  sizeable) decrease in the infection rate so I don't need to wear one when I go into any businesses.

Dr. Fauci and others have already stated that mask mandates will continue after the vaccines are widely administered.  The end of 2021 is the current thinking.  Personally, I think mask mandates will continue for as long as TPTB think they can get away with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 23, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on November 23, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Award for most kills.

Yup.  Intentionally killed the most old people by shipping Rona patients straight into their nursing homes instead of the provided field hospitals.  Even tried sending Rona patients to the Navy hospital ship even though the ship explicitly told them they were a sterile facility for only non-rona cases.

Never used the army hospitals, never filled their own hospitals, but they sure as hell managed to send infectious patients to places they were told not to, and where they had no reason to, and were the worst places possible.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 23, 2020, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 23, 2020, 04:30:47 PM
Dr. Fauci and others have already stated that mask mandates will continue after the vaccines are widely administered.  The end of 2021 is the current thinking.  Personally, I think mask mandates will continue for as long as TPTB think they can get away with it.

Depersoning of the general population.  You are now literally a faceless drone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:16:52 PM
A COVID adaptation that I can support: I can now renew my drivers license online or via postal mail.  No more going to the DOL, at least for this renewal.  I would not at all mind if this was permanent.  You have to sign an attestation that you still have acceptable vision and no medical condition or medications that would impair your ability to drive a car.   I had read about this earlier this year, since there was concern about the vision test.  The DOL released data showing that 99.6% of all driver license applicants passed the vision test, so it was decided to drop that requirement, at least in the times of COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:19:52 PM
This was published in the Spokane newspaper and reprinted throughout the state in other newspapers:

OPINION
 
GUEST OPINION
Stephen Malkoski, MD/PHD: Please do your part to protect your loved one – and us – during the holidays
Sun., Nov. 22, 2020

By Stephen Malkoski
Providence Sacred Heart & Family Hospitals
I am a critical care physician and the medical director for the Providence Sacred Heart and Holy Family ICUs. In this capacity, I help manage about two-thirds of the critical care beds in Spokane. We’ve been caring for COVID-19 patients since the earliest days of the pandemic when we accepted some of the minimally symptomatic patients from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Today this seems almost quaint as these patients were basically well and would never be hospitalized now. Since the start of the pandemic, I have cared for dozens of COVID-19 patients, most of whom have ultimately died because once you get sick enough to need critical care from COVID-19, the outcomes are poor.

I’ll be working in the Sacred Heart ICU the last two weeks of December and will witness firsthand the consequences of people’s Thanksgiving decisions, and I need to share what this will look like. I can speak to this with a high degree of confidence because the course of COVID-19 is relatively predictable.

First, we will try to support this surge of coronavirus patients without resorting to mechanical ventilation, but inevitably many of these patients will fail this approach. We will have a series of heart-wrenching conversations with the patients and their families in the days leading up to this. Some patients will decide not to go on the ventilator as they fail and they will die. The rest will go on a ventilator. I will intubate some of them myself; my partners will intubate the others. I will then watch our team do everything possible to keep them alive. We will treat them with dexamethasone, remdesivir, prone positioning, paralysis and antibiotics for weeks. A few of the younger patients will make it off the ventilator. Most of them will be profoundly weak and face a long recovery.

Young people do better than the elderly simply because they can better tolerate two or three weeks of critical care in a way that the elderly just can’t.

Unfortunately, most of the patients who need the ventilator will not survive and after a few weeks, probably around Christmas, they will start to succumb. We will have to have lots of difficult and painful discussions with their families over the phone because COVID-19 patients can’t have visitors.

Our palliative care team will help us with these conversations because we don’t have the time for all of them, and each of these conversations takes away a little bit of your soul and you can only give away so much of your soul each day. Our nurses will use Zoom and FaceTime so families can see their loved ones sedated and intubated.

Finally, we will decide to transition to comfort care and remove the ventilator. At this point, two visitors will be allowed to come see the patient, if they are not also COVID-positive or too afraid to come to the hospital. I’ll watch the visitors struggle to put on the same PPE that we put on dozens of times a day. The family will stand around the bed crying and watching their loved ones struggle to breathe as our nurses make them comfortable and dignified as they die. This will be repeated several times a day as our team labors to provide an avalanche of patients with the highest quality and most compassionate care possible.

All of this happens against the backdrop of our own lives which are, of course, impacted by COVID-19 just like everyone else’s. My college sons will quarantine in our basement and wear masks when they come home. My wife can’t visit her recently widowed mother in Canada because the border is closed. One nurse’s baby shower is now a “drive-by” event. Another nurse’s son is missing all the events of his senior year of high school. Everyone’s kids are home-schooling. A respiratory therapist worries about bringing COVID-19 to his child with congenital heart disease.

And yet, every day we come to work and care for these patients.

The U.S. has had more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths; this is more than the entire population of Spokane. A recent study showed that our pandemic response is the worst on the planet.

This means that about half of the patients that we’ve watched die didn’t have to die.

I challenge anyone to explain why I shouldn’t be viscerally angry about this.

The University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model predicts that our state will exceed our ICU bed capacity in December.

I won’t reiterate what people need to do to prevent the spread of coronavirus over Thanksgiving because everyone knows exactly what this is.

On behalf of my partners, our nurses, our respiratory therapists, and all our team members, I implore you to do your part to protect yourself, your loved ones, your community and us during the upcoming holidays.

Stephen Malkoski, M.D./Ph.D., Medical Director for Critical Care, Providence Sacred Heart & Holy Family Hospitals, Spokane, and Sound Physicians Critical Care

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:16:52 PM
A COVID adaptation that I can support: I can now renew my drivers license online or via postal mail.  No more going to the DOL, at least for this renewal.  I would not at all mind if this was permanent.  You have to sign an attestation that you still have acceptable vision and no medical condition or medications that would impair your ability to drive a car.   I had read about this earlier this year, since there was concern about the vision test.  The DOL released data showing that 99.6% of all driver license applicants passed the vision test, so it was decided to drop that requirement, at least in the times of COVID.

Interesting. I got my initial Idaho license at 58 on the 8 year plan, because after expiration + 60 years of age we have to go in for the vision test and a 4 year license only. I kinda figure a lot of people that use glasses for the vision test at the DMV don't then wear them driving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
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The U.S. has had more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths; this is more than the entire population of Spokane. A recent study showed that our pandemic response is the worst on the planet.

This means that about half of the patients that we’ve watched die didn’t have to die.

The numbers are garbage as we know (garbage in, garbage out) because they admit it, dying with covid is coded dying from covid. Not to mention all the other ambiguities like folks getting coded covid deaths not even being tested, the super sensitivity of common tests popping positive where there is no replicating virus etc. 

Pulling the "half the patients didn't have to die" stat out of his a** shows he is full of sh*t.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care?  I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care?  I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.

Remind me why I have to ignore what is front of our faces, mountains of lies in the form of "official" numbers from the beginning, and accept a bullshit stat like half the folks didn't have to die?

Remind me why I have to let an obviously well written tear jerking heart wrenching story overrule my reason?

Your appeal to authority fails because the guy outed himself as a hack as soon as he squirted out his half the folks didn't have to die BS.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 23, 2020, 10:17:35 PM
In covid-world,  you have to be dead in order to write an epitaph. >:D   ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on November 23, 2020, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: Ron on November 23, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
Remind me why I have to ignore what is front of our faces, mountains of lies in the form of "official" numbers from the beginning, and accept a bullshit stat like half the folks didn't have to die?

Remind me why I have to let an obviously well written tear jerking heart wrenching story overrule my reason?

Your appeal to authority fails because the guy outed himself as a hack as soon as he squirted out his half the folks didn't have to die BS.

I agree that the article was an emotional appeal.  Was the declaration that "half the covid deaths didn't have to happen" true?  Unknown, but it's certainly not substantiated.  The article is a shot in the dark - "Hey, bad things are happening with COVID, a major public holiday is this week... PLEASE stop spreading disease!"

Ron, you claim the official numbers are garbage.  I'm skeptical of that claim - I think that there are certainly some inaccuracies, but I don't think (non-china) numbers are a wholesale fabrication.  My wife works in research at a local hospital, and as an employee receives regular updates of the hospitals operation and status.  They are reaching capacity due to covid patients who require hospitalization, and having issues shifting patients around to make room.  This, I know, is not a fabrication.

The community college where I teach at in the evenings sends out regular status updates internally.  While our students don't appear to be spreading COVID at the college (we're now mostly virtual), the incidents of our students having covid which is caught off-campus have increased substantially.  Most of these guys are young, and will be fine, so there's that.  But, it's another indicator that this disease is spreading.

You ask why we should ignore what's in front of our faces.  But, this is what's in front of my face.

So tell me... what's in front of yours?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2020, 10:47:30 PM
I accept no guilt, shame, or responsibility for the possibility that I might unwittingly transmit an easily communicable disease to another human being, by going about my life as I have for the previous 40-some years. It is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided. This should be your attitude as well, unless you want to retroactively punish yourself for all the other diseases you may have passed on, by failing to keep a 6-foot distance with all other humans, wearing a mask your entire life, eating inside restaurants, etc.

Maybe for a few weeks all this was reasonable, but it's well past time to end this travesty.

Christ said the poor you will always have with you. I'm not correcting Him, but He could also have included the sick, and those with comorbidities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 23, 2020, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care?  I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.
That is almost to the level of Godwin's Law.  


Either way, the emotion and a few BS facts in that article are thick.  It provides no useful information.  He ends it crapping on US pandemic response without offering any useful ideas on what he would change.  Same thing we have been hearing all year from the hypocrites who tell us what we should do and don't do it themselves.  He may not be one of those, but he is taking their side whether it is intentional or not.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 23, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on November 23, 2020, 10:41:45 PM
I agree that the article was an emotional appeal.  Was the declaration that "half the covid deaths didn't have to happen" true?  Unknown, but it's certainly not substantiated.  The article is a shot in the dark - "Hey, bad things are happening with COVID, a major public holiday is this week... PLEASE stop spreading disease!"

Ron, you claim the official numbers are garbage.  I'm skeptical of that claim - I think that there are certainly some inaccuracies, but I don't think (non-china) numbers are a wholesale fabrication.  My wife works in research at a local hospital, and as an employee receives regular updates of the hospitals operation and status.  They are reaching capacity due to covid patients who require hospitalization, and having issues shifting patients around to make room.  This, I know, is not a fabrication.

The community college where I teach at in the evenings sends out regular status updates internally.  While our students don't appear to be spreading COVID at the college (we're now mostly virtual), the incidents of our students having covid which is caught off-campus have increased substantially.  Most of these guys are young, and will be fine, so there's that.  But, it's another indicator that this disease is spreading.

You ask why we should ignore what's in front of our faces.  But, this is what's in front of my face.

So tell me... what's in front of yours?
I have a niece that started to go off to college this Fall.  I think it is all virtual now.  For a while she was doing the COVID dance back and forth as someone would test positive and everyone who may have been in contact with them had to leave or isolate. 

The only part of the numbers I have suspicions about is the total infections.  I am just suspicious the tests are either inaccurate or too sensitive and flagging people that don't have it.  What percentage that might be I have no idea.  That and the issue has been politicized in an election year which makes me automatically suspicious. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 11:02:52 PM
Here is something I suspect we could all support: a call for a uniform data standard and reporting on COVID.  We could accomplish a lot more if we were certain to compare apples to apples.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/coronavirus-testing.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 23, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 11:02:52 PM
Here is something I suspect we could all support: a call for a uniform data standard and reporting on COVID.  We could accomplish a lot more if we were certain to compare apples to apples.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/opinion/coronavirus-testing.html
It is a good idea if it can be done right.  Do you think that is likely? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 23, 2020, 10:53:51 PM
That is almost to the level of Godwin's Law

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 23, 2020, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 23, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
^^^Ron, remind us again of your medical degrees, board certifications and experience in critical care?  I must have missed that part, and it allows us to give your opinions appropriate weight.

Utter *expletive deleted*ing fail.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 07:54:33 AM
Quote from: Ron on November 23, 2020, 09:45:23 PM
The numbers are garbage as we know (garbage in, garbage out) because they admit it, dying with covid is coded dying from covid. Not to mention all the other ambiguities like folks getting coded covid deaths not even being tested, the super sensitivity of common tests popping positive where there is no replicating virus etc. 


And yet some 300,000 more people died in the US in 2020 (so far) than would have been expected.  The US death rate has been pretty stable and predictable for decades, and we have double digit percentages of excess deaths this year.  Certainly *some* deaths were reported as from COVID instead of with COVID, but that's by no means all of them.  It's beginning to look like it wasn't even many of them.  Something definitely killed an extra 300,000 people this year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


Quote from: Fistful
I accept no guilt, shame, or responsibility for the possibility that I might unwittingly transmit an easily communicable disease to another human being, by going about my life as I have for the previous 40-some years. It is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided.

You can refuse to accept responsibility for easily foreseeable outcomes to your actions, but you still contributed to those outcomes.  The part of your comment I bolded is objectively bullshit.  "Humans have always" reacted to disease and pandemics as best they could at the time, by curtailing activities, quarantining folks, blockading whole cities, and in at least one case I can think of locking someone up on an island for the rest of her life because she refused to stop "going about her life as she always had" and spreading a disease*.  Human history is literally rife with people changing the way they live, temporarily or forever, in an attempt to stop the spread of disease.  Just because a risk can't be entirely avoided does not mean actions shouldn't be taken to mitigate it.


*No COVID-19 is not as bad as Typhoid, and I'm not saying we lock people up and throw away the key.  The point is Humans *normally* change how they live their lives in response to disease.  Refusing to is the outlier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on November 24, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 07:54:33 AM
And yet some 300,000 more people died in the US in 2020 (so far) than would have been expected.  The US death rate has been pretty stable and predictable for decades, and we have double digit percentages of excess deaths this year.  Certainly *some* deaths were reported as from COVID instead of with COVID, but that's by no means all of them.  It's beginning to look like it wasn't even many of them.  Something definitely killed an extra 300,000 people this year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


You can refuse to accept responsibility for easily foreseeable outcomes to your actions, but you still contributed to those outcomes.  The part of your comment I bolded is objectively bullshit.  "Humans have always" reacted to disease and pandemics as best they could at the time, by curtailing activities, quarantining folks, blockading whole cities, and in at least one case I can think of locking someone up on an island for the rest of her life because she refused to stop "going about her life as she always had" and spreading a disease*.  Human history is literally rife with people changing the way they live, temporarily or forever, in an attempt to stop the spread of disease.  Just because a risk can't be entirely avoided does not mean actions shouldn't be taken to mitigate it.


*No COVID-19 is not as bad as Typhoid, and I'm not saying we lock people up and throw away the key.  The point is Humans *normally* change how they live their lives in response to disease.  Refusing to is the outlier.

Excess mortality is, sadly, a poor way to measure the impact of the virus.

Without the lockdowns, it could work. Using thrle virus to scare people (or legally prevent them) from getting necessary medical care means that we may have killed more people with the lockdown than the virus.

And not only will we not know for years, the powers that be will actively suppress that conclusion.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: makattak on November 24, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
Excess mortality is, sadly, a poor way to measure the impact of the virus.

Without the lockdowns, it could work. Using thrle virus to scare people (or legally prevent them) from getting necessary medical care means that we may have killed more people with the lockdown than the virus.


I agree, it's not great, but it sidesteps the whole "All deaths are reported as COVID, Therefore no numbers are to be believed!" argument so beloved by some.  You'll note I carefully said something killed a lot of extra people.  I did not claim COVID-19 killed 300,000 people.  Certainly some of them were suicides and/or murder brought on by stress, some were other health issues that were deferred and caught up to people, as you say.  But a lot of extra people died this year, and Occam's Razor would imply at least a large portion of those people died of complications from COVID-19.

On your specific hypothesis, if people didn't go to the Dr. out of fear, and died of a different medical condition, we'd expect to see an up tic in non COVID disease deaths.  I can find a Washington Post article from mid summer that I can not read due to not subscribing that claims to see an increase in heart disease deaths over the summer.  (heart disease and stroke being the biggest single cause of death in the US, I figured any data blip would be seen there first), but I can't look at their data due to the paywall.  I found an article from England and Wales showing an increase  in at home heart attack deaths during the lockdown, but it's accompanied by a decrease in hospital deaths, suggesting that while some died that wouldn't have, some more just transferred their death to home from the ER. (https://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/244268.php)

Total cause of death statistics tend to lag a couple years, so as you said, it may be a while before we really know.

But a bunch of extra people in the US died this year, one way or another.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2020, 08:52:21 AM
The fatality rate is well under 1%, remember all the high numbers we told for half the year? 2 1/2%, 3% and even higher were bandied about in the media.

My contention is that even that number is high, the covid fatality rate reported is death WITH covid, nobody denies this.

How about fatality from covid alone? Anyone have the numbers?

Is it true the CDC stopped reporting deaths from flu and pneumonia sometime around the middle of the year?

If someone dies with pneumonia OR any other comorbidity with covid it's a covid death. Why not a pneumonia etc death instead?

Nobody here denies covid exists.

Millcreeks article is just leftist fear porn.

It doesn't help us understand what is going on at all.

Here is a hilarious "fact check" on the low percentage numbers of covid fatalities.

They just can't admit it is low so they twist themselves in knots.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/05/fact-check-cdc-estimates-covid-19-death-rate-0-26/5269331002/

*Nick, I've been very forthcoming in the other thread about the impact at work of folks being out due to covid and the contact tracing keeping others out due to our quarantine standards.
  

 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 09:04:37 AM
Then why are so many extra people dying of pneumonia?


and for the record:

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My contention is that even that number is high, the covid fatality rate reported is death WITH covid, nobody denies this.

Yes, people do deny it.  In fact the people that are DOING the recording of deaths deny it.  Cases are not counted as a COVID death unless COVID-19 is found to be a contributing cause of death (at minimum) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm).  So if you have a heart attack caused by chronic high blood pressure, while asymptomatic with COVID, that's not a COVID death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2020, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 09:04:37 AM
Then why are so many extra people dying of pneumonia?


and for the record:

Yes, people do deny it.  In fact the people that are DOING the recording of deaths deny it.  Cases are not counted as a COVID death unless COVID-19 is found to be a contributing cause of death (at minimum) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm).  So if you have a heart attack caused by chronic high blood pressure, while asymptomatic with COVID, that's not a COVID death.

Well if you have pneumonia AND covid of course covid contributes, how can it not?

Same with the flu, hypertension, COPD and all the other comorbidities.

They aren't even reporting flu and pneumonia deaths as far as I can tell, so how can we say so many more are dying of pneumonia?

Excess deaths is another statistical analysis number being pushed as a hard number.

After the first of the year passes it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.

The "excess deaths" by definition is "more deaths than we predicted".

So once again we are at the mercy of the prognosticators.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 24, 2020, 09:28:48 AM
Looks like a growing number of Americans have had enough:

https://idahonews.com/news/coronavirus/boise-mayor-says-protests-planned-in-front-of-her-home

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-protesters-gather-in-california-beach-city-to-defy-gov-newsoms-curfew-order
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
On the first link, the Boise Mayor should have expected it. Her recent statements about arresting people are almost worse than what Coumo is rattling on about.

Also, I guess "Dark Winter" is the new buzz phrase.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 09:04:37 AM
Yes, people do deny it.  In fact the people that are DOING the recording of deaths deny it.  Cases are not counted as a COVID death unless COVID-19 is found to be a contributing cause of death (at minimum) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/faq.htm).  So if you have a heart attack caused by chronic high blood pressure, while asymptomatic with COVID, that's not a COVID death.
Except there have been documented cases this year where that is NOT true.  It may not be happening in your area and some of it may have been fixed, but it did happen. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
Except there have been documented cases this year where that is NOT true.  It may not be happening in your area and some of it may have been fixed, but it did happen. 

Sure.  It happened.  Some were fixed, and some, I'm sure have still not been.  But Ron was claiming that it's a matter of course, which is untrue. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Sure.  It happened.  Some were fixed, and some, I'm sure have still not been.  But Ron was claiming that it's a matter of course, which is untrue.  

It's true for the state of Illinois.

Pretty sure I've posted the video in this thread of the person in charge explaining how things get coded.

If Illinois, New York and California all use the same loosey goosey non standards in coding just how accurate are the overall numbers?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 24, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
Dr Brix has said many times that if you die within 90 days of testing positive for covid, it is a covid death. Doesn't matter if it's a car crash or a gangbang shooting.

As far as excess deaths go, many cities have complained about lockdowns because of the rise of suicide and overdoses while having no or few covid deaths.

Then add in the people dying at home because they are afraid of going to doctor.

I am high risk. I rarely go out. This has killed my income and it is hurting my daughter and friends kids and grandkids.

The information we have on this is so bad I would like to kick everyone that calls themselves an expert in the ass.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 24, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-covid-nurse-ll-be-8-000-week-n1248652

If you are a critical care nurse and willing to travel, now is the time to cash in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 24, 2020, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on November 23, 2020, 10:41:45 PM
I agree that the article was an emotional appeal.  Was the declaration that "half the covid deaths didn't have to happen" true?  Unknown, but it's certainly not substantiated.  The article is a shot in the dark - "Hey, bad things are happening with COVID, a major public holiday is this week... PLEASE stop spreading disease!"

Ron, you claim the official numbers are garbage.  I'm skeptical of that claim - I think that there are certainly some inaccuracies, but I don't think (non-china) numbers are a wholesale fabrication.  My wife works in research at a local hospital, and as an employee receives regular updates of the hospitals operation and status.  They are reaching capacity due to covid patients who require hospitalization, and having issues shifting patients around to make room.  This, I know, is not a fabrication.

The community college where I teach at in the evenings sends out regular status updates internally.  While our students don't appear to be spreading COVID at the college (we're now mostly virtual), the incidents of our students having covid which is caught off-campus have increased substantially.  Most of these guys are young, and will be fine, so there's that.  But, it's another indicator that this disease is spreading.

You ask why we should ignore what's in front of our faces.  But, this is what's in front of my face.

So tell me... what's in front of yours?

This may be anecdotal, but compared to the total deaths in the US from 2018 and 2019, we need around 92,000 more deaths this year to fall in line with those two years.

2018 deaths in the US was 2,839,205
2019 deaths in the US was 2,852,609
2020 deaths in the US as of 11/13/2020 is 2,427,881

At the current rate of deaths, 2020 will top out at approximately 2,774,721. Taking into account the normal upward trend each year during the last 2 prior years, that makes us around 92,151 deaths behind the curve! That's that many extra mouths to feed! Funeral homes on the brink! Inheritances delayed! More reckless old geezers on the roads fouling up traffic! More scam artists feeding on the larger number of the feeble minded! It never stops with the unintended consequences!

It's not nice to subvert the process of natural selection!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on November 24, 2020, 11:40:25 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 24, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-covid-nurse-ll-be-8-000-week-n1248652

If you are a critical care nurse and willing to travel, now is the time to cash in.

Holy cow, it may be time to come out of retirement! Of course it is one of those jobs where you may contract a disease that could kill or debilitate you.  =|

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: Ron on November 24, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
It's true for the state of Illinois.

Pretty sure I've posted the video in this thread of the person in charge explaining how things get coded.

If Illinois, New York and California all use the same loosey goosey non standards in coding just how accurate are the overall numbers?

It's not true.  There was an issue with disparate standards for declaring COVID deaths in the beginning of the pandemic.  CDC realized this and issued nation wide standards early summer.  I linked to those standards in my post.  Unless your argument is that they are just lying.  That's pretty retarded as an argument, because there's no discussion to it.  Any contrary evidence offered is just "a lie".  As we discussed earlier in the pandemic there are verifiable numbers out there, that one can sanity check off of what's actually happening in cities from first hand reports.  You are just to unwilling to go find them, because it counters what's "in front of your face", as if you have first hand knowledge of the entire country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 12:23:23 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on November 24, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
Dr Brix has said many times that if you die within 90 days of testing positive for covid, it is a covid death. Doesn't matter if it's a car crash or a gangbang shooting.

As far as excess deaths go, many cities have complained about lockdowns because of the rise of suicide and overdoses while having no or few covid deaths.

Then add in the people dying at home because they are afraid of going to doctor.

I am high risk. I rarely go out. This has killed my income and it is hurting my daughter and friends kids and grandkids.

The information we have on this is so bad I would like to kick everyone that calls themselves an expert in the ass.
Deaths caused by the reaction to COVID are also caused by COVID.   =D
I don't lik ethe excess death idea either.  Seems like creating a new statistical category to back up the seriousness of COVID means the the other statistics aren't serious enough? 

The flu can be a very serious disease as well for those that are susceptible and in the past I have heard many of the same arguments about it.  I just think many states are taking the lock downs too far.  We are supposed to be a free country.  That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 24, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/need-covid-nurse-ll-be-8-000-week-n1248652

If you are a critical care nurse and willing to travel, now is the time to cash in.
They shouldn't be allowed to do that.  It puts them at a higher risk of infection so it should be banned.   ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 12:23:23 PM
The flu can be a very serious disease as well for those that are susceptible and in the past I have heard many of the same arguments about it.  I just think many states are taking the lock downs too far.  We are supposed to be a free country.  That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take.  

I hear that a lot, and I don't actually disagree with it.  That said, it's not how the US has worked for at least a century.  We have a ton of laws and codes preventing us from choosing to accept risks we might want to.  Health codes in restaurants, building and fire codes, pretty much every regulation on the medical industry, the entire FDA, OSHA.  I'm sure there's more.  All of these are predicated on the idea that we need to restrict the behavior of individuals sometimes to protect the health and well being of others.

You will get no argument from me that our current tapestry of "for the greater good" rules is an over-reaching smothering tide.  I even agree that some of the things we've done for COVID were an over reaction, extra legal, or both.  (some things were an under reaction, and some were just retarded, but that's a different discussion).  For the sake of the discussion though, lets redact to the absurd for a second.  I think we can all agree that locking everyone in their home and requiring daily COVID tests to leave for anything would be an overreaction.  Similarly, I suspect most people would be OK with a village rule that doesn't allow people to defecate in the villages only water source.  (SanFran notwithstanding)  The population is going to fall on a spectrum between those points for risk acceptance vs. loss of freedom.  For almost any spot you place on that spectrum someone would be willing to give up more freedoms for safety, and someone will feel that the tyranny has gone too far.  So where does society draw the line?  Why should your (or mine, or Gov Newsom's) personal limit of risk acceptance vs. freedom be forced on everyone else in the society?  And how do you factor in the very real fact that in some cases peoples actions are increasing risk for others that may not have chosen to accept that particular risk/reward paradigm?

FWIW that's not just a COVID-19 question, although the pandemic does throw it in rather stark contrast.  I also don't have a good answer to the question I just posed.  Should Mary Mallon have been allowed to continue working in NYC households?  Should we have posted the National Guard at city and state borders and flat shut down travel (ala the movie Contagion)?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 24, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
"That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take."

But that does not, and never has, equaled an unfettered right to say *expletive deleted*ck everyone else, it's all about me no matter what.

People have a right not to be negatively impacted by your choices.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 24, 2020, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 24, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
"That should mean that we have a choice about what risks we take."

But that does not, and never has, equaled an unfettered right to say *expletive deleted*ck everyone else, it's all about me no matter what.

People have a right not to be negatively impacted by your choices.

A key point overlooked by many on both sides of the political spectrum.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 11:44:28 AM
It's not true.  There was an issue with disparate standards for declaring COVID deaths in the beginning of the pandemic.  CDC realized this and issued nation wide standards early summer.  I linked to those standards in my post.  Unless your argument is that they are just lying.  That's pretty retarded as an argument, because there's no discussion to it.  Any contrary evidence offered is just "a lie".  As we discussed earlier in the pandemic there are verifiable numbers out there, that one can sanity check off of what's actually happening in cities from first hand reports.  You are just to unwilling to go find them, because it counters what's "in front of your face", as if you have first hand knowledge of the entire country.

So they removed the months of misreported covid deaths from the data?

Pretty unlikely.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 03:03:15 PM
Why is that unlikely?

They are attempting to have good data so they can make informed decisions, which is why the fed.gov standardized the COVID death coding rules.  Why would they not have states go back and clean up the data sets?  The death certificates are all computerized.

Just because you make a simple declarative statement and wish *really* hard, doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 07:54:33 AM

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I accept no guilt, shame, or responsibility for the possibility that I might unwittingly transmit an easily communicable disease to another human being, by going about my life as I have for the previous 40-some years. It is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided.

You can refuse to accept responsibility for easily foreseeable outcomes to your actions, but you still contributed to those outcomes.  The part of your comment I bolded is objectively bulls**t.  "Humans have always" reacted to disease and pandemics as best they could at the time, by curtailing activities, quarantining folks, blockading whole cities, and in at least one case I can think of locking someone up on an island for the rest of her life because she refused to stop "going about her life as she always had" and spreading a disease*.  Human history is literally rife with people changing the way they live, temporarily or forever, in an attempt to stop the spread of disease.  Just because a risk can't be entirely avoided does not mean actions shouldn't be taken to mitigate it.

*No COVID-19 is not as bad as Typhoid, and I'm not saying we lock people up and throw away the key.  The point is Humans *normally* change how they live their lives in response to disease.  Refusing to is the outlier.

Hate to muck up a good rant, but when I said "it is what humans have always done, and cannot be entirely avoided," I was obviously (or objectively?) talking about sharing diseases with one another. That's what we've always done, and can't entirely avoid. I, of course, was not denying the historical fact of quarantines and leper colonies and the like, in human history.

As for "easily foreseeable outcomes," not so fast. If going out and shopping for kumquats makes me Typhoid Mary, then we're all in the same boat. There have always been diseases. There have always been vulnerable populations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 24, 2020, 05:21:25 PM
Here is a little tidbit we should all be mindful of: Regardless of what is going around, we are each of us responsible for our own health. That said, going around coughing in everyone's face is rude, crude, and socially unacceptable - whether you have a communicable disease or not.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2020, 09:30:34 PM
Quote from: dogmush on November 24, 2020, 03:03:15 PM
Why is that unlikely?

They are attempting to have good data so they can make informed decisions, which is why the fed.gov standardized the COVID death coding rules.  Why would they not have states go back and clean up the data sets?  The death certificates are all computerized.

Just because you make a simple declarative statement and wish *really* hard, doesn't make it true.

Do you have any proof they corrected the numbers or are you just really wishing hard?

The Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, Dr. Ezike, explaining earlier this year how Illinois does things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VEAQ4Cqps&fbclid=IwAR0WehVdpjIBLef3cw8RFa0FnGU8xmuc2W8Dpjs5SaAUBKGFnWR_wCvtZcw

Why don't you pony up if you have proof they've changed things?

Maybe they have but living here and being somewhat engaged in paying attention I haven't heard of any changes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2020, 10:08:45 PM
Effectiveness Of Masks Questioned With New Study Showing High Death Rate For Stormtroopers
https://babylonbee.com/news/effectiveness-of-masks-questioned-with-new-study-showing-high-death-rate-for-stormtroopers

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-7519-2.jpg)
I guess that would be classified as excess mortality.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 08:17:35 AM


‘Come and take it’: Lexington coffee shop defies order to close
https://www.wave3.com/2020/11/24/come-take-it-lexington-coffee-shop-defies-order-close/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:03:57 AM
You can't  make this *expletive deleted*it up

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Just in time for the holidays. Now, you can have Gov. Andy Beshear with you at your home.

The Kentucky governor has been reminding the commonwealth to mask up and remind others to do the same. But if you're looking for an easy way to send the message to your neighbors, now you can do so courtesy of a graphic design company.

He's watching: How to get your Gov. Beshear yard sign to remind people to 'mask up'
https://www.wlky.com/article/hes-watching-how-to-get-your-gov-beshear-yard-sign-to-remind-people-to-mask-up/34778726

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/1984-Big-Brother.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:16:24 AM
Imagine the reaction if Trump did something like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 25, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:16:24 AM
Imagine the reaction if Trump did something like that.

Or if Trump breathed oxygen, while being a carbon-based lifeform.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 25, 2020, 03:15:10 PM
So this was interesting to me. It may be common knowledge that I just haven't paid attention to, but now that I have the beer virus, I have to fill out a state health dept form regarding my contacts. All they want is people from 48 hours or less from my first symptoms, and only if I was in contact with them at less than six feet for more than 15 minutes.

The latter is what was interesting. Considering all the Karen's that yell at people for passing them on the street without a mask, it seems the health authorities only care about that close contact if it's for more than 15 minutes. That's a relatively long time when you're out and about. It would be difficult to remain less than six feet from some total stranger at the grocery store for more than 15 minutes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 25, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Another one of these:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/denver-mayor-tweets-stay-home-avoid-travel-then-he-takes-flight-for-family-thanksgiving-report-says

Time's Person of the Year should be the Hypocritical Covid Karen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 25, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Our elite governor has decreed that we shall wear masks in our own home if someone not in our immediate family enters.  Same with our cars.  We are not to have more than ten people over for family gatherings.
We have to wear masks at a restaurant whenever we are not actively eating.  It used to be once a diner reached their table, they could take their mask off.  No one really knows now if we are supposed to put the mask back on between bites of food or sips of a beverage.
It's really a Newsome-esque mandate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 25, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Our elite governor has decreed that we shall wear masks in our own home if someone not in our immediate family enters.  Same with our cars.  We are not to have more than ten people over for family gatherings.
We have to wear masks at a restaurant whenever we are not actively eating.  It used to be once a diner reached their table, they could take their mask off.  No one really knows now if we are supposed to put the mask back on between bites of food or sips of a beverage.
It's really a Newsome-esque mandate.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 25, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 25, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Our elite governor has decreed that we shall wear masks in our own home if someone not in our immediate family enters.  Same with our cars.  We are not to have more than ten people over for family gatherings.
We have to wear masks at a restaurant whenever we are not actively eating.  It used to be once a diner reached their table, they could take their mask off.  No one really knows now if we are supposed to put the mask back on between bites of food or sips of a beverage.
It's really a Newsome-esque mandate.

I love how they word those things, to let you know you can remove the mask to drink, and so forth. It's as if we're going to look at the rules, see no exemption for drinking or eating or something, and just try to force the stuff through/around/under the mask. They think of us as children, apparently.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on November 25, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 25, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
I love how they word those things, to let you know you can remove the mask to drink, and so forth. It's as if we're going to look at the rules, see no exemption for drinking or eating or something, and just try to force the stuff through/around/under the mask. They think of us as children, apparently.

 :facepalm:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-mask-idUSKBN22U1ZO
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 25, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Another one of these:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/denver-mayor-tweets-stay-home-avoid-travel-then-he-takes-flight-for-family-thanksgiving-report-says

Time's Person of the Year should be the Hypocritical Covid Karen.

He says he's sorry. It was a choice between hypocrisy and hypocrisy  :facepalm:

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   NEW: Denver Mayor Hancock apologies for flying out of state for Thanksgiving with family while telling Denverites to avoid travel. Hancock says he saw it as a choice between flying there or family flying to Colorado. #9NEWS #COVID19colorado pic.twitter.com/gpr1EMB9r6

    — Kyle Clark (@KyleClark) November 25, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/25/denver-mayor-humbly-asks-you-to-forgive-decisions-borne-of-my-heart-after-he-flies-for-thanksgiving/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 25, 2020, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 25, 2020, 09:54:27 PM
He says he's sorry. It was a choice between hypocrisy and hypocrisy  :facepalm:


More like a choice between hypocrisy and ysircopyh
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on November 26, 2020, 06:18:16 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527263-cuomo-calls-a-sheriff-who-wont-enforce-mask-mandate-a-dictator

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64BOxYpVZpU
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 26, 2020, 08:25:45 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on November 26, 2020, 06:18:16 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527263-cuomo-calls-a-sheriff-who-wont-enforce-mask-mandate-a-dictator

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64BOxYpVZpU

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 26, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
"Dictator"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on November 26, 2020, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on November 26, 2020, 06:18:16 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527263-cuomo-calls-a-sheriff-who-wont-enforce-mask-mandate-a-dictator

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64BOxYpVZpU

I have a feeling Herr Cuomo does not know what a "dictator" is.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2020, 10:53:03 AM
But he's an Emmy winning governor so he must be way smarter than you
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 26, 2020, 11:02:51 AM
From a friend:

This Thanksgiving, if you see 20 cars at your neighbor's house, and you're thinking about reporting them, go to the fridge and drink a glass of milk.  Why?  Milk is good for your teeth.  You know what else is good for your teeth?  Minding your own damn business.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 29, 2020, 10:33:56 PM
One of our regular customers was in a few days ago, and he mentioned that one of his cousins (both in their twenties, and presumably black men) died, and another was critical. They both had double pneumonia and covid. After he left, I heard one coworker tell another that the cousins had died/been hospitalized with covid. Funny how the pneumonia got left out.

For what it's worth, a lot of people in my church, or their relatives, have died recently. None of them from covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 29, 2020, 10:47:25 PM
So, I’ve seen some people claim 10s or 100s of thousands of “excess” deaths this year, and others claim 90-100k fewer total deaths for the year than expected.

Anyone have reliable, unbiased data showing which is correct?  I’m interested but too busy/exhausted to go down the rabbit trails.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on November 29, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 29, 2020, 10:47:25 PM
So, I’ve seen some people claim 10s or 100s of thousands of “excess” deaths this year, and others claim 90-100k fewer total deaths for the year than expected.

Anyone have reliable, unbiased data showing which is correct?  I’m interested but too busy/exhausted to go down the rabbit trails.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
"Excess deaths" is actually a comparison of reality to a statistical projection that was made in the beginning of the year.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 30, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Quote from: Ron on November 30, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
"Excess deaths" is actually a comparison of reality to a statistical projection that was made in the beginning of the year.
Yes, and?  The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.

The increase is not in the range of a minor abnormality and the curve does not follow the comparable time periods in previous years. Do you have a competing explanation for those additional deaths?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on November 30, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Yes, and?  The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.

The increase is not in the range of a minor abnormality and the curve does not follow the comparable time periods in previous years. Do you have a competing explanation for those additional deaths?

Deaths are on pace to grow about 1.2% this year over last year. Last also was about that much of a growth and so was the previous year.

Did we have pandemics those years too?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2020, 01:27:05 PM
Just defining terms as "excess deaths" is a misnomer.

"More deaths than government statisticians projected" is clunky but confers more information than "excess deaths".

It's a misnomer because some years more people die than other years and there is no law or principle as to how many people die per year. All we have are educated guesses.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Yes, and?  The statistical projections are based on historical deaths, account for seasonality, and allow for normal variation. If you look at the data you can see a clear drastic increase in deaths - especially during the first spike of Covid when Hero Cuomo was killing off grandparents.

The increase is not in the range of a minor abnormality and the curve does not follow the comparable time periods in previous years. Do you have a competing explanation for those additional deaths?

Isolation? Economic disaster? General upheaval and despair? People putting off medical treatments out of fear?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 30, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: Ron on November 30, 2020, 01:27:05 PM
It's a misnomer because some years more people die than other years and there is no law or principle as to how many people die per year. All we have are educated guesses.
These kinds of statistics aren't perfect, but actually are pretty good.  Variations are typically explainable (i.e., bad flu season) and comparing season to season they are pretty consistent.

The multiple spikes we have seen this year over and above recent years when comparing like seasons appear to me to be considerably beyond just "some years more people die than other years".  You may disagree, or maybe you haven't looked carefully at the presented numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 30, 2020, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 30, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
Isolation? Economic disaster? General upheaval and despair? People putting off medical treatments out of fear?
Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2020, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 03:41:59 PM
Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.

Why?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 30, 2020, 05:23:27 PM
Quote from: fistful on November 30, 2020, 05:15:08 PM
Why?
Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on November 30, 2020, 06:39:13 PM
There are many cities that have seen more deaths from suicide or shooting deaths than covid.

Japan has had more suicides this month or it might have been last month than covid deaths all year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 01, 2020, 12:03:10 AM
Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 05:23:27 PM
Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.

Based on what? The last time we shuttered everything for most of a year, and had race riots combined with anarcho-Marxist-fascist arson parties all summer long?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2020, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 05:23:27 PM
Because people are a heck of a lot more resilient than that.
Many people are.  But we aren't talking about many or most people.  We are talking about a fraction of 1%.  General averages may not apply.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
On the plus side, so to speak, there is discussion about moving obese people up the vaccine priority ladder, since they are at higher risk.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 01, 2020, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
On the plus side, so to speak, there is discussion about moving obese people up the vaccine priority ladder, since they are at higher risk.

That would only be equitable if they had an underlying condition such as people who have asthma, or COPD, or heart disease or the like.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
I guess I'm kinda glad  I got the covid and made my own antibodies, because my demographic is going to be on the very bottom of any vaccine priority lists.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 01, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

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Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 01, 2020, 10:45:07 AM
Boomers are at the end of their season and will be dying off in increasing numbers.

I lost two friends this weekend, one was solidly in the boomer era, the other a little younger than I am, so not quite a boomer. Neither death was from wuflu.

JR fell off the wagon and I'm sure all the wuflu insanity didn't help his descent into an alcoholics early death. JR collected historic and antique rifles. One of his Garands was the first one I ever fired.

John had a heart attack in the driveway. His wife performed CPR until the ambulance arrived and they refused to let her travel with him to the hospital. They pronounced him dead at the hospital.

One thing about getting older that I knew was going to happen was seeing friends and family passing away around me. Knowing it was coming really didn't help that much, it still rattles you down to the core.

Isolating folks from family and friends during their last chapters of life is a cruelty beyond words.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 01, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
One of the heads of Warp Speed said everyone who wants a vaccine should be able to have one by June '21. I wouldn't be surprised if more Dem. politicians go Cuomo, and try to slow things down. They don't want to give up the fearmongering.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 01, 2020, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 01, 2020, 12:03:10 AM
Based on what? The last time we shuttered everything for most of a year, and had race riots combined with anarcho-Marxist-fascist arson parties all summer long?
Okay fistful, I'll bite.  Do you really believe that the "excess" deaths this year were due to isolation, economic disaster, general upheaval, despair, and people putting off medical treatments out of fear?

Keep in mind that most of those early deaths being assigned to COVID happened in a clump in April, not in the fall.  The race riots and arson parties didn't play into them at all.  Back then we were only a few weeks over the "two weeks to flatten the curve" lie, not shuttered for most of a year.

Yeah, I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 01, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 01, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19


 [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 01, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 01, 2020, 02:20:17 PM
Okay fistful, I'll bite.  Do you really believe that the "excess" deaths this year were due to isolation, economic disaster, general upheaval, despair, and people putting off medical treatments out of fear?

I never said all of them were. Are you saying none of them were?

You asked for competing explanations, and I pointed out some rather obvious things one might expect would lead to higher mortality rates in this rather unusual year. Are you telling me you really didn't look at those factors? You really don't think more people might die under those conditions?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 01, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 01, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
I never said all of them were. Are you saying none of them were?

You asked for competing explanations, and I pointed out some rather obvious things one might expect would lead to higher mortality rates in this rather unusual year. Are you telling me you really didn't look at those factors? You really don't think more people might die under those conditions?

Quote from: cordex on November 30, 2020, 03:41:59 PM
Those are certainly all contributing factors, but I have a hard time believing they killed that many over and above the norm.
I’m aware that all of those things have contributed to deaths. Anecdotally, today I attended a funeral for a cousin who committed suicide. I don’t know exactly what drove him to it, but can’t help but guess that there was a reason he did it in 2020.

I still do not think these contributing factors explain a significant portion of the increased number of deaths, especially the spike in April.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 01, 2020, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 01, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
I still do not think these contributing factors explain a significant portion of the increased number of deaths, especially the spike in April.

Governor Cuomo + nursing homes
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 01, 2020, 10:18:45 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 01, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19


Interesting read for sure.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 01, 2020, 10:47:01 PM
Can you show me these increased deaths? I'm seeing all other deaths down so we are looking at a normal increase that happens every year.

Just a fact. Almost 90% of those that died in hospitals had a DNR. Would that change the numbers? I don't know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JN01 on December 01, 2020, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on December 01, 2020, 10:47:01 PM

Just a fact. Almost 90% of those that died in hospitals had a DNR. 

Those DNRs didn't arrive in big full boxes like mail-in ballots did they? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 02, 2020, 10:13:32 AM
Quote from: JN01 on December 01, 2020, 11:36:00 PM
Those DNRs didn't arrive in big full boxes like mail-in ballots did they? 

That made me chuckle.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 02, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
And... the primary work site where the rest of my team works is closed today due to a positive Kung Flu case.

We were already scheduled to have an online meeting, and I'm in a separate location, so no ill effect for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2020, 11:04:52 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on December 02, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
And... the primary work site where the rest of my team works is closed today due to a positive Kung Flu case.

We were already scheduled to have an online meeting, and I'm in a separate location, so no ill effect for me.
None at least until that solar flare hits D.C.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 02, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 02, 2020, 11:04:52 AM
None at least until that solar flare hits D.C.   =D

You make that sound as if it's a bad thing, or something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 02, 2020, 11:25:53 AM
Quote
I've had a cold for the last three days.  CVS is offering beer virus tests but I'm too lazy to go get one.
My stepson brought it to our Thanksgiving dinner.  His wife and one of his stepdaughters (my step-granddaughter?) got sick the day before Thanksgiving and couldn't attend.  I'm sure he brought their bugs it with him.
His wife and stepdaughter have since recovered but he came down with the bug.  Serves him right for giving it to me.  =D

SWMBO now has whatever bug has laid me low.  Fever last night, chills, aches, pains, etc.  My bug has gotten a bit worse, but still milder than some colds I've had.
Stepson's wife is taking him to the urgent care tonight.  He's having trouble breathing.  It might be due more to his weight as he's a large guy.  On the plus side he tested negative for the beer virus as did his wife earlier.  That means SWMBO and I likely just have a cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
I can honestly, 100%, no armchair warrior stuff, say that if I were in this store while it happened, I would have put hands on the guy and at the very least thrown him into a display case.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/02/look-ma-a-mask-nazi-video-of-whacked-out-masked-old-man-harassing-threatening-woman-for-not-wearing-a-mask-is-nuts-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 02, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 02, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
I can honestly, 100%, no armchair warrior stuff, say that if I were in this store while it happened, I would have put hands on the guy and at the very least thrown him into a display case.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/02/look-ma-a-mask-nazi-video-of-whacked-out-masked-old-man-harassing-threatening-woman-for-not-wearing-a-mask-is-nuts-watch/

Mr. Green Shirt wouldn't be doing that to a 6'4" 250-lb biker.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 02, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
He needs to be drinking his milk and taking calcium supplements so that he has good, strong teeth.  He is going to need strong teeth if he refuses to mind his own damn business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2020, 06:50:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wFYajjy.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 02, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
He needs to be drinking his milk and taking calcium supplements so that he has good, strong teeth.  He is going to need strong teeth if he refuses to mind his own damn business.

I guess, because of the type of store it looked to be in the video, there were no actual men in there - just some males. Because I can't fathom that any man would stand by and let him do that to that woman. At the very least, get between them and shield her. It took another woman to scold him away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2020, 07:15:34 PM
Another

    EXCLUSIVE: Austin Mayor Steve Adler told the public to "stay home if you can…this is not the time to relax" in a Nov. 9 Facebook video. He did not disclose that he was at a timeshare in Cabo San Lucas after flying on a private jet with eight family members and guests. pic.twitter.com/w1uZahGfpM

    — Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) December 2, 2020

    The Mexico trip with family came the day after Adler hosted a small wedding for his daughter at a trendy South Congress Hotel with 20 attendees. Adler says he consulted with health authorities prior and that guests had to undergo COVID-19 testing and practice social distancing.

    — Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) December 2, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/02/guess-where-this-dem-mayor-was-while-reminding-citys-residents-to-stay-home-and-this-is-not-the-time-to-relax/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 03, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/03/efficacy-of-surgical-masks.aspx

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The first randomized controlled trial of more than 6,000 individuals to assess the effectiveness of surgical face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection found masks did not statistically significantly reduce the incidence of infection

Among mask wearers, 1.8% ended up testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, compared to 2.1% among controls. When they removed the people who did not adhere to proper mask use, the results remained the same — 1.8%, which suggests adherence makes no significant difference

Among those who reported wearing their face mask “exactly as instructed,” 2% tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 compared to 2.1% of the controls

1.4% tested positive for antibodies at the end of the month-long study compared to 1.8% of controls

0.5% in the mask group and 0.6% tested positive for one or more respiratory viruses other than SARS-CoV-2

Disclaimer: not my area of expertise.  I haven't studied the Danmask-19 Trial.

From Wikipedia:
Quote
Annals of Internal Medicine is an academic medical journal published by the American College of Physicians (ACP). It is one of the most widely cited and influential specialty medical journals in the world.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 03, 2020, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 03, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/03/efficacy-of-surgical-masks.aspx

Disclaimer: not my area of expertise.  I haven't studied the Danmask-19 Trial.

From Wikipedia:

This study does not support the narrative.  How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 03, 2020, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 03, 2020, 04:35:42 PM
This study does not support the narrative.  How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?

I'm surprised it doesn't come with a disclaimer that Joe Biden won the election.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on December 03, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
Science is only science when it supports the right truth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
The Narrative is Settled
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 03, 2020, 04:35:42 PM
This study does not support the narrative.  How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?

I had read there was a debate whether to publish the study, since the results were inconsistent with earlier similar studies.  However, it was thought to be an important contribution to the current state of knowledge and the article was published.

ETA some citations:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 03, 2020, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 07:00:12 PM
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

Might be worth mentioning that the above is an opinion piece.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
^^^Both citations are opinion pieces.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 11:14:40 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2020, 11:21:31 PM
Lost my masks in a boating accident
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 04, 2020, 03:25:36 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on December 03, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
Science is only science when it supports the right left truth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 04, 2020, 03:27:35 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 07:00:12 PM
I had read there was a debate whether to publish the study, since the results were inconsistent with earlier similar studies.  However, it was thought to be an important contribution to the current state of knowledge and the article was published.

ETA some citations:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778

That a debate took place on whether to suppress their results from a political viewpoint is itself abhorrent to the scientific process.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 07:50:32 AM
^^^Exactly so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2020, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 11:14:40 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.

That's a pretty round number for following the science.

Follow equality. Resist 46.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 04, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 04, 2020, 08:38:43 AM
That's a pretty round number for following the science.

Follow equality. Resist 46.

How dare you question the authorities who regularly update the "science" of consensus!

Uppity kulack  :lol:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 04, 2020, 10:46:51 AM
Personally, I believe this whole "debate" is more about the seriousness of the assumptions, fear mongering, and an apparent desire to keep the hype at a fever pitch than it is about reality.

If you can smell someones breath through their mask and yours, where is the efficacy of either mask? Underpants and a pair of jeans won't block the stench of a fart, so all you wear is futile. I don't think anything less than a HEPA filter coupled with a charcoal filter is going to save you - unless you have a healthy immune system.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 04, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 11:14:40 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.

Can I get a "President Joe 'Ponysoldier' Biden" mask?    [tinfoil] [popcorn] >:D   ......    :rofl:     =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 04, 2020, 10:50:17 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 

Ha ha ha ...........HA!    :facepalm:     


 ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 04, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on December 04, 2020, 10:46:51 AM
Personally, I believe this whole "debate" is more about the seriousness of the assumptions, fear mongering, and an apparent desire to keep the hype at a fever pitch than it is about reality.

If you can smell someones breath through their mask and yours, where is the efficacy of either mask? Underpants and a pair of jeans won't block the stench of a fart, so all you wear is futile. I don't think anything less than a HEPA filter coupled with a charcoal filter is going to save you - unless you have a healthy immune system.

Woody

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 04, 2020, 11:08:18 AM

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/04/do-asymptomatic-people-spread-coronavirus.aspx

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A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles

In one study, which looked at pregnant women admitted for delivery, 87.5% of the women who tested positive for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 had no symptoms

A study looking at PCR test data from nearly 10 million residents in Wuhan city found that not a single one of those who had been in close contact with an asymptomatic individual tested positive

Of the 34,424 residents with a history of COVID-19, 107 individuals tested positive a second time, but none were symptomatic and none were infectious

When asymptomatic patients were tested for antibodies, they discovered that 190 of the 300, or 63.3%, had actually had a “hot” or productive infection resulting in the production of antibodies. Still, none of their contacts had been infected.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 04, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: charby on December 04, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb

Well,  I trust scientists.   In general.  Dr. Fauci? ...... if he hadn't started out by telling us masks were useless,  instead of simply saying what was really true, that the PPE needed to be reserved for medical first responders as there was a shortage.  Fauci has hemmed and hawed on other things too.
Plus,  if one has followed this thing closer than just watching CNN one realizes even scientists and doctors A.)  do not always agree with each other on what IS science ,   and B.)  are human and subject to human foibles.  Take the W. H. O.;  they believed China's deceitful assertions at the beginning of this mess,  and have been accused of being too close to Chinese authority to be truly objective.  

I'm not saying the linked article is wrong,  in fact a very cogent and intelligent argument was presented to explain just why farts get through .... clothing (being a gas which is molecular)  and a virus,  being amazingly BIGGER,  could be stopped by a mask.

I will say I've read of a recent Danish study that does claim the difference between wearing a mask and not is statistically tiny in so far as preventing infection .... but apparently it seems largely opinion? ?.

Also,  I've heard concerns infection through the eye is of concern .... so we should have been wearing goggles all along?

I still think that in a macro sense masks help some,  while they are not perfect.    I sometimes reflect that a lot of people look "stupid"  in masks (a mirror is often close by me when I am thinking this.  [tinfoil] ) but still,  if they can help,   it's really not a horrid sacrifice.    

I have discovered one real drawback;  the masks do nothing to disquise my identity .... so my planned alternate career as a bandit should the economy not get fixed is in real jeopardy!! [tinfoil] =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 04, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 

Вам нравится быть подопытным кроликом?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 04, 2020, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: charby on December 04, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb

While all this is believable, there is also particulate matter in all too many farts that show up on the outside of the underwear. Viruses - apparently being odorless - travel on droplets that penetrate masks just as easily as any minute fecal matter that is adorned with a few molecules of stink that waft through the air can. The viruses don't travel on their own, do they? They piggyback on droplets. I know it is a reach with a fart, but the analogy is sound with the "bad breath" scenario that hasn't been challenged.

Maybe even a HEPA filter backed up with charcoal is insufficient. I believe an electrostatic filter would work better - one that uses several thousand volts like the ones you can add to your household HVAC system.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 04, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on December 04, 2020, 11:16:01 AM


I'm not saying the linked article is wrong,  in fact a very cogent and intelligent argument was presented to explain just why farts get through .... clothing (being a gas which is molecular)  and a virus,  being amazingly BIGGER,  could be stopped by a mask.

That is the main reason why I posted it. If a mask blocked a fart smell, you also wouldn't be able to get oxygen to breath.

I still believe that wearing a cloth mask or even a N95 offers very little protection you from catching the virus, but I do think it helps in keeping a person who is contagious from spreading it to others if they wear the mask properly. So to me wearing a mask, does help with controlling the spread, since many folks are tending to have minor symptoms and it is also cold and flu season. I still don't want to see a government mask mandate, unless it only pertains to government property.

Because of the nature of my job and the amount distance I travel everyday, I get tested regularly. What I have observed is that the people giving the drive up tests are wearing a mask, face shield, gowns, booties and frequently change their gloves. When I have had to go inside, the people giving the tests are also wearing some sort of positive pressure helmet and face shield.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 04, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.

Many thanks for taking one for the team, MillCreek.  Please get back to us after six months with information on the effectiveness of the vaccine.  Oh, and while you are at it, will you please translate The Gulag Archipelago from the original Russian for us?  I suspect your translation would be more accurate than Penguin UK publishing house.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 11:49:39 AM
Charby, those respirators were probably a CAPR or a PAPR, both of which are very hard to come by right now.

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/plant-facility-equipment/papr-vs-capr-respirators/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 04, 2020, 12:15:13 PM
We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 04, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 04, 2020, 12:15:13 PM
We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.

It's a lot closer to winter here than in is in Missouri.  I have not seen any snotcicles yet, but on days it has been cold enough for that, I didn't go out much and certainly didn't see many people.  I'll post here if I see anything really disgusting :D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 04, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 04, 2020, 12:15:13 PM
We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.

I have allergies, that happened months ago. Wanna borrow a mask?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
An interesting primer on mRNA vaccines.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-12-04&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_120420&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
An interesting primer on mRNA vaccines.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2020-12-04&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_120420&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
Thanks.  I don't know much about mRNA vaccines and now I am a tiny bit less ignorant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 04, 2020, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
An interesting primer on mRNA vaccines.

Let me know when we have an mNRA vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
California might start turning back to conservative yet:

LA Mayor approves outdoor dining for the caterer for a movie company shooting on location. The location? Directly across the street from a restaurant that was ordered to shut down its outdoor dining.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/04/blood-boiling-restaurant-owner-rips-l-a-mayor-garcetti-for-approving-outdoor-dining-on-movie-sets-while-restaurants-are-shut-down/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 04, 2020, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on December 04, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
I sometimes reflect that a lot of people look "stupid"  in masks (a mirror is often close by me when I am thinking this.  [tinfoil] ) but still,  if they can help,   it's really not a horrid sacrifice.

Conversely, an awful lot of people look really stupid (without the quotation marks) without masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 04, 2020, 11:38:50 PM
A lot of people are stupid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 04, 2020, 11:41:44 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 04, 2020, 11:37:40 PM
Conversely, an awful lot of people look really stupid (without the quotation marks) without masks.

Dude, honestly. Back off the Koolaid a little bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 05, 2020, 08:57:39 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on December 04, 2020, 11:38:50 PM
A lot of people are stupid.

Your comment reminds me of a George Orwell quote I ran across recently.

 “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 05, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2020, 10:53:05 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334898702335553540
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 06, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
OMG!

Sams had both TP  and PT
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 06, 2020, 09:30:51 PM
I read that Florida is going to start requiring disclosure of PCR Cycle Threshold Data In COVID Tests.

Some tests are too sensitive is the complaint.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
I noticed yesterday as I was out and about that the great toilet paper shortage, phase two, in the PNW has abated.  Both Safeway and Fred Meyer were fully stocked with all brands and sizes with no empty gaps on the shelf.  That shortage did not last long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on December 07, 2020, 08:59:46 AM
People make some pretty big mistakes when they don't understand the data they're looking at.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/06/yes-total-deaths-in-the-u-s-are-up/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 07, 2020, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on December 07, 2020, 08:59:46 AM
People make some pretty big mistakes when they don't understand the data they're looking at.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/06/yes-total-deaths-in-the-u-s-are-up/

We really won't know the actual 2020 deaths until probably March or April.

If nothing else, the China virus is a stress test on the population that speeds up the passing of those who are physically or immune compromised.

It's particularly hard on the elderly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
The 'Swiss Cheese' model is widely used in my profession of risk management/patient safety.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/coronavirus-swiss-cheese-infection-mackay.html?fbclid=IwAR0TBU-f5qeAd4nGsh54ufb0IFKuXi4xFfdpYOcZn3MSvIOm2fMQMjazg00
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 07, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 07, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
The 'Swiss Cheese' model is widely used in my profession of risk management/patient safety.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/coronavirus-swiss-cheese-infection-mackay.html?fbclid=IwAR0TBU-f5qeAd4nGsh54ufb0IFKuXi4xFfdpYOcZn3MSvIOm2fMQMjazg00

The 4 rules of gun safety.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 07, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 07, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
The 4 rules of gun safety.
I believe those are the anti-swiss-cheese rules.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 07, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
I believe those are the anti-swiss-cheese rules.

OK, this is gold, and now I have to think of a way to work this into my root cause analysis lecture. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2020, 08:20:35 PM
Any legal experts on here want to chime in on this?

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MacKenzie Sigalos reports:

    One of [Dallas labor and employment attorney Rogge] Dunn’s clients in the restaurant sector thinks a compulsory inoculation requirement could be a game changer for business.

    “They think it gives them a competitive advantage,” explained Dunn. “They could say to their customers, ‘Hey, our restaurant is safe. All of our employees have been vaccinated.’”

    It may be, in part, a PR tactic, but Dunn said it is totally within an employer’s rights to implement this kind of requirement.

    “Under the law, an employer can force an employee to get vaccinated, and if they don’t take it, fire them,” said Dunn.

CNBC reports that companies have a legal right to fire you if you refuse the COVID-19 vaccine
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/cnbc-reports-that-companies-have-a-legal-right-to-fire-you-if-you-refuse-the-covid-19-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on December 07, 2020, 08:57:15 PM
Wonder why they want this vaccine so bad? :tinfoil:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 07, 2020, 09:02:39 PM
If my company mandates it I will immediately submit my retirement papers.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the vaccine, this one or any other but I'll be damned if I'll be forced to take it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2020, 09:32:45 PM
I commented on compulsory vaccines earlier.  Employers can do that in Washington state and fire you if you refuse.  I know that several other states have similar statutory or case law dealing specifically with vaccines, in addition to the general 'at-will' employment principle.  

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-employment

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/can-employers-require-employees-to-be-vaccinated-against-covid-19

https://www.taylorenglish.com/blogs-coronavirus-impact-updates,state-powers-to-mandate-covid-19-vaccination
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2020, 10:08:44 PM
I smell BS

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    "Women across the country who work in restaurants are being asked to remove their masks so that male customers can judge their looks and therefore their tips on that basis," says Saru Jayaraman, president of One Fair Wage.https://t.co/yLXubA8Rrx

    — NPR (@NPR) December 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 07, 2020, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 07, 2020, 10:08:44 PM
I smell BS
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/



National Propaganda Radio.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 07, 2020, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 07, 2020, 10:08:44 PM
I smell BS
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/07/npr-waitresses-are-being-asked-to-remove-their-masks-so-men-know-how-much-to-tip/



No doubt. I wouldn't be surprised if guys were asking waitresses to pull down their masks, and commenting on their appearance. We have been known to flirt with our waitresses. Even via tipping. I think it all started 4 years ago.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 07, 2020, 10:42:23 PM
National Propaganda Radio.

I was really hoping a second Trump term might have addressed my money going to these jackwagons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 08, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
It's breathtaking to see how well the "you must take the vaccine or else" propaganda is working.

Breathtaking and scary.

It's one thing to fool everyone into wearing masks (turns out they really don't work) but this whole vaccine thing is on another level.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 08, 2020, 09:49:34 AM
Nov 2nd: The vaccine doesn't work and may kill you. Trump is a madman!
Nov 4th: You must take the vaccine or you will die. Hail Biden!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on December 08, 2020, 09:21:46 PM
Censored on Youtube: https://vimeo.com/488696323

https://www.fox9.com/news/doctor-pleads-for-review-of-data-on-ivermectin-as-covid-19-treatment-during-senate-hearing



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on December 08, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
I’ll fabricate a vaccination record before I’ll take it if they want to start threatening about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 08, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on December 08, 2020, 09:21:46 PM
Censored on Youtube: https://vimeo.com/488696323

https://www.fox9.com/news/doctor-pleads-for-review-of-data-on-ivermectin-as-covid-19-treatment-during-senate-hearing





A Paraguayan gal that I was an exchange student with in New Zealand was telling me they were using invermectin there to treat COVID.  Didn’t say it, but my first thought was that maybe it helped by eliminating intestinal parasites so the people were less compromised.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 09, 2020, 10:12:05 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on December 08, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
A Paraguayan gal that I was an exchange student with in New Zealand was telling me they were using invermectin there to treat COVID.  Didn’t say it, but my first thought was that maybe it helped by eliminating intestinal parasites so the people were less compromised.

It might be of help to visitors to their country when they drink the water....  =D

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 09, 2020, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on December 09, 2020, 10:12:05 AM
It might be of help to visitors to their country when they drink the water....  =D

Woody

Just add it to the water supply?  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 09, 2020, 04:48:33 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/09/us/coronavirus-big-bend-marfa-rural-texas.html

Things are tough in West Texas right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 09, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 09, 2020, 01:51:14 PM
Just add it to the water supply?  :P

I was thinking along the lines of in lieu of Pepto Bismol ...  [barf]

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 09, 2020, 06:14:24 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on December 09, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
I was thinking along the lines of in lieu of Pepto Bismol ...  [barf]

Woody

https://youtu.be/y-sBROXalU4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 09, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on December 09, 2020, 06:14:24 PM
https://youtu.be/y-sBROXalU4

One of my favorite movies!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
One of the Snow Leopards here at the zoo tested positive https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/snow-leopard-louisville-zoo-tests-positive-covid-/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 11, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
Blacks more susceptible to China virus due to food apartheid.  ;/

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/11/wut-ayanna-pressleys-claim-for-why-black-americans-are-more-susceptible-to-covid-19-is-a-hot-mess-of-word-salad-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 11, 2020, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 11, 2020, 11:34:02 AM
One of the Snow Leopards here at the zoo tested positive https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/snow-leopard-louisville-zoo-tests-positive-covid-/

This isn't the first zoo animal that's got the ChinaFlu.   



I do wish them zoo animals would wear their masks ......  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 12, 2020, 08:30:08 AM
They're saying Thanksgiving has caused a tidal wave of C19 cases

https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/post-thanksgiving-wave-covid-cases-test-health-systems/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 12, 2020, 07:16:53 PM
I've been watching the stats (https://stlcorona.com/resources/covid-19-statistics/) reported by the county where I live, and you can see a spike in the weeks following Thanksgiving. There was a much larger spike after the election, but that was OK. St Louis County had to go out and vote for Biden, to keep Trump from giving us all the covid. (Nevermind that Biden predictably lost Missouri by 15 points.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on December 12, 2020, 07:41:27 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 12, 2020, 08:30:08 AM
They're saying Thanksgiving has caused a tidal wave of C19 cases

https://www.wave3.com/2020/12/11/post-thanksgiving-wave-covid-cases-test-health-systems/

They're gonna love Christmas   >:D

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 13, 2020, 11:00:31 AM
I thought this was an interesting observation regarding the lack of Tamiflu distribution compared to "normal" years. Misdiagnosis? People with the flu self-treating because they're afraid to go to the doctor and maybe catch the CCP bioweapon?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/13/i-believe-we-are-being-played-pharmacists-thread-about-covid-19-and-seasonal-flu-a-great-yet-terrifying-must-read/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2020, 09:15:06 AM
They started giving the Pfizer vaccine to hospital staff here this morning. It's appears Louisville is the main distribution point out of UPS's World Port
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2020, 09:20:32 AM
Biden will soon be getting word of his Nobel Peace Prize
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 14, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: WLJ on December 14, 2020, 09:20:32 AM
Biden will soon be getting word of his Nobel Peace Prize

No. Medicine
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 14, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on December 14, 2020, 09:59:17 AM
No. Medicine

No, I think it's the other Biden that's a Dr.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
So, interesting. I just got a call from Idaho State Health. Apparently they (eventually) follow up with phone interviews for any positive cases in the state. Mostly asking how I'm doing, verifying my whereabouts for 48hrs prior to initial symptoms, then checking if I have questions.

I had one question: Do they recommend getting another test to verify that I'm negative. She told me not to, because enough of the virus can remain (for lack of a better layman's description) for up to three months for you to test positive after your symptoms have ended. She said they just tell people to go on about their business after ten days.

Which kinda got me to thinking about all the "proof of negative test required" crap being bandied about these days. That could mean that you're essentially in quarantine from doing those "proof required" activities for three months after getting over the bioweapon, because you still might test positive.

Again, this was just Idaho State Health. I don't know what other gov entities say. I don't know if this is policy or science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 14, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
^^^What Idaho Health told you regarding re-testing and resuming normal activities is best practices as per the CDC and other authorities.  You will likely be testing positive for months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2020, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 14, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
^^^What Idaho Health told you regarding re-testing and resuming normal activities is best practices as per the CDC and other authorities.  You will likely be testing positive for months.

You mean folks without active infections that aren't infectious can test positive?

Ya don't say ...

So much for the positivity rate being reported breathlessly daily in Illinois being of any use.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 14, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
^^^What Idaho Health told you regarding re-testing and resuming normal activities is best practices as per the CDC and other authorities.  You will likely be testing positive for months.

So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 14, 2020, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 14, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?

It doesn't work, but the government either doesn't care or is actively trying to control you.

Also, many foreign countries require a negative test within 3-5 days of arrival.  If any of you plan to travel, considering buying trip insurance or finding a Covid testing location that will provide you with negative results.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 14, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 14, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?

If the person has not already had COVID, than a negative test is indeed proof of lack of active COVID infection.  If the person has had COVID, then future antibody testing will come back as positive for a while even if the patient has no symptoms.  We have been writing a lot of letters to employers and others explaining the concept of continued positive antibody testing after COVID gets better, and a negative test is not possible in that situation.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 14, 2020, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 14, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
So how does that work with "go about your business after ten days" if an employer or somebody wants documentation of a negative test (not complaining - genuinely curious)?

My employees have gotten letters from a medical provider that says they are non-contagious per CDC guidelines and can return to work.  The VA literally has a form they fill out with the patients name, dates, and signature of Dr.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 16, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/15/have-covid-19-lockdowns-saved-any-lives-lets-take-a-look-at-federal-data-n1212997
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on December 16, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on December 16, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/15/have-covid-19-lockdowns-saved-any-lives-lets-take-a-look-at-federal-data-n1212997
I'll get around to reading that article later but from a quick skim, it seems pretty likely they are making the same mistake...
Quote from: DittoHead on December 07, 2020, 08:59:46 AM
People make some pretty big mistakes when they don't understand the data they're looking at.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/06/yes-total-deaths-in-the-u-s-are-up/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 16, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
They explain the 2019 and 2020 data as “provisional” per NCHS or CDC depending on time frame.  Even if you assume the most recent 10 weeks or so are undercounting by 10-20% (60-70% for last week, 5% for 10 weeks ago per the claims in the amgreatness.com link, so maybe 55-110k total deaths undercounted) the total mortality for the year it won’t really change the conclusions as that is more or less in the noise of a full year’s data.  And most likely the most recent 10 weeks have been adjusted to estimate those undercounts, so the error is probably closer 5-20k total undercounts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 16, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
Pundits are pulling CDC's data and saying there are no excess deaths in 2020.

CDC is looking at their own data and saying there were excess deaths in 2020.

I suspect CDC is more familiar with the data, time lags, and what is statistically "normal" then the people misreading their data.  YMMV.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 16, 2020, 09:00:20 PM
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/16/major-ceos-signal-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-could-be-on-the-way/

I will be interested to see if anyone outside of healthcare and first responders are mandated to get the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on December 16, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
"Essential" workers?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 16, 2020, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on December 16, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
"Essential" workers?

https://youtu.be/b5ag8ME4oOY?t=26

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 17, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Quote from: dogmush on December 16, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
Pundits are pulling CDC's data and saying there are no excess deaths in 2020.

CDC is looking at their own data and saying there were excess deaths in 2020.

I suspect CDC is more familiar with the data, time lags, and what is statistically "normal" then the people misreading their data.  YMMV.

A couple of good reads on excess deaths. As we already knew, it has been brutal on the elderly and already compromised.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/graphing-total-deaths-in-the-us-in-2020/

https://wmbriggs.com/post/33680/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 17, 2020, 08:55:27 AM
Quote from: Cliffh on December 16, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
"Essential" workers?

"Essential" because sacrificial is too harsh.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on December 17, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 17, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
A couple of good reads on excess deaths. As we already knew, it has been brutal on the elderly and already compromised.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/graphing-total-deaths-in-the-us-in-2020/

https://wmbriggs.com/post/33680/

There's a problem with that analysis. The definition of "COVID Deaths" is rather... loose: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/15/grand-county-covid-deaths/

Two gunshot victims were counted as "COVID Deaths" (Note, out of 5 total "COVID Deaths", making up 40% of the number!)

The data is RIFE with this trash accounting.

So, IF we are having excess deaths, we have no idea if those deaths were caused by COVID OR by the absolutely insane overreaction to a new flu.

I would be willing to bet the lockdowns killed as many people as COVID has, but we classified all those deaths as "COVID Deaths", so no one could tell the idiot "elites" running the country are more dangerous than the disease.

Also note, that interview is from two days ago. It seems the people counting COVID deaths HAVEN'T "cleaned up all that faulty data" as others on this forum have claimed.

We're still getting garbage data on the Wuhan Flu. Because we are ruled by garbage people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 17, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
Sailer is on board with the girly hysteria for sure, Briggs is much more balanced.

Anyone who has been here knows I agree with your position that the reported numbers are all junk.

Total deaths are total deaths though and are harder to fudge, up or down.

We won't really know total deaths until sometime in the spring.

All "excess deaths" will not be covid related deaths. Many will be though as a complicating factor with comorbidities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 17, 2020, 03:29:27 PM
So regarding the testing positive for three months thing, this is what I would be worried about:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-problems-with-covid-testing-for-flights-11608128492

You can't read the whole thing without being a subscriber, but the tease gives you the gist. So if I want to fly somewhere next week and walk into the airport and get tested and come up positive, I guess I'm screwed?

I know a few of you mentioned physician's letters, but that would only apply if you knew about the three months of coming up positive after getting over the virus. I would not have known about that if Idaho Health didn't tell me, so I could easily have booked a flight to visit family for Christmas, shown up at the airport and been banned from the flight because  I tested positive at the airline test station.

This doesn't seem to help airlines either, if it makes it harder for them to get passengers, even if due to their own rules.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 17, 2020, 03:49:36 PM
I haven't heard about any US airlines requiring COVID testing, but I'm sure some will.

There are some countries that require a negative test within 3 days prior to entering the country.  Three days isn't enough time to test positive and then get a doctor's note to override the test results.  And some countries might not accept that doctor's note.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 18, 2020, 08:12:33 AM
It will interesting to see what percentage of excess deaths can be attributed to the historic bloodshed and rise in murders across the countries Democrat run big cities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 08:23:25 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 18, 2020, 08:12:33 AM
It will interesting to see what percentage of excess deaths can be attributed to the historic bloodshed and rise in murders across the countries Democrat run big cities.

Not that much.  While the violence was worse this summer, it wasn't all that much worse, and it didn't kill that many.  In general, homicide is way down the list of things that kill Americans every year, so even with all this summer's sportiness, you probably have a single digit percentage rise in a cause of death that is pretty small, all told.

Roll that up and I suspect the increase in deaths due to rioting will be under 1 percent of the total.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 18, 2020, 08:31:15 AM
Quote from: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 08:23:25 AM
Not that much.  While the violence was worse this summer, it wasn't all that much worse, and it didn't kill that many.  In general, homicide is way down the list of things that kill Americans every year, so even with all this summer's sportiness, you probably have a single digit percentage rise in a cause of death that is pretty small, all told.

Roll that up and I suspect the increase in deaths due to rioting will be under 1 percent of the total.

yea, just got back here from looking at the numbers.

28% increase in murders across our largest cities equals out to maybe roughly 1500 extra deaths compared to '19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
Glad I don't live in Germany. I happened to talk to several relatives yesterday, and apparently the krauts have revived the Gestapo. They were all talking about how they were going to get together for Christmas with the ten person limit. That is as of a couple of days ago down to five, so they've all canceled their plans. One cousin said they would have broken the rules, but apparently the cops there are actively enforcing the rules and curfews and everyone is afraid of being arrested.

I have a range of relatives that run the political gamut, from very conservative, to apolitical, to one branch an aunt married into that are practically commies in their leftiness. The two former groups are pissed to one degree or another. The commies are happy about the rules.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 18, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
I was scolded by a teenage girl (a customer) yesterday for pulling down my mask and taking a swig of water out of my bottle.

The brain damage inflicted on this countries people by the fear mongering is incalculable.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epf52iAXEAAuD9M?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 09:37:03 AM
Essential workers are "disproportionately minorities"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 09:37:03 AM
Essential workers are "disproportionately minorities"?

Essential Workers is Lib-Speak for "The poor folks that bring us the things". So yes.

I really pissed off my liberal family when I opined this fall that the US hadn't had a shutdown. The US had rich people staying home while poor folks brought them stuff.  Apparently that wasn't a mirror they wanted to look to closely at.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2020, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 10:15:24 AM
Essential Workers is Lib-Speak for "The poor folks that bring us the things". So yes.

I really pissed off my liberal family when I opined this fall that the US hadn't had a shutdown. The US had rich people staying home while poor folks brought them stuff.  Apparently that wasn't a mirror they wanted to look to closely at.

You could even change that to "privileged people". A Fed GS-9 who gets to stay home and get paid might not be rich, but they still have more "privilege" than the local Walmart cashier showing up for work every day for low pay and a 1000% greater chance of getting infected by the bioweapon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on December 18, 2020, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 18, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epf52iAXEAAuD9M?format=jpg&name=medium)

Is it just me or does "leveling the playing field" sound a bit like "removing those with a particular skin color?"  Seriously, am I way off base?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: fifth_column on December 18, 2020, 10:23:47 AM
Is it just me or does "leveling the playing field" sound a bit like "removing those with a particular skin color?"  Seriously, am I way off base?

I've noticed it too
Some of the more radical rhetoric coming out of the left lately has been hinting more and more is that if whites just disappeared, or at the very least bow down to their POC superiors and masters,  the world would be much better place. Much of it worded scarcely similar to Nazi propaganda.  

But I think in the above case "level the playing field" they really mean whites giving everything they stole and then some from blacks back in the form of $$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 18, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
Let's YOU and HIM fight!

Who is stoking, suggesting, teaching, justifying, financing this tribal warfare?

Who is preaching unity and equality of all people against the heritage population and their allies?

Who has the most to gain by open conflict between the coalition of the minorities and the heritage population?

Who thinks they can control and direct the coalition of the minorities?

Who has the most to gain by destroying the influence of the heritage population and those who are sympathetic to them?

I have questions but no definitive answers.

The target should be the command & control center attacking America and not their foot soldiers and willing dupes.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 18, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
Let's YOU and HIM fight!

Who is stoking, suggesting, teaching, justifying, financing this tribal warfare?

Who is preaching unity and equality of all people against the heritage population and their allies?

Who has the most to gain by open conflict between the coalition of the minorities and the heritage population?

Who thinks they can control and direct the coalition of the minorities?

Who has the most to gain by destroying the influence of the heritage population and those who are sympathetic to them?

I have questions but no definitive answers.

The target should be the command & control center attacking America and not their foot soldiers and willing dupes.



While I don't think they're the root cause, though they are happy to help, I know who has the most gain from it. Hint: It's same people who just so happen gave us Covid 19

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121115022410-xi-jinping-gestures-story-top.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 11:15:25 AM
The rot within the US is disturbingly similar to the rot that overtook the Roman Empire.

But that's a topic for another thread. Back to Covid 19 although there are similarities there too
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 18, 2020, 12:40:32 PM
We are now entering into the vaccine "full court press" mode.

I shudder to think what is next if they don't get enough willing vaccine volunteers.

They will have to accelerate their plans to enforce compliance.


 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
I suspect it'll be kinda organic.  Once enough people have the vaccine you'll start to see airlines, trains, hotels, sporting events, concerts, some restaurants,  parties, parades, cruise ships, and the like requiring proof of the shot from their customers.  The Gov won't have to mandate it, private companies will do it for them from a mix of actual belief in the shot, virtue signaling, and fear of liability lawsuits.


You won't HAVE to get one, it'll just be annoying to do anything without one.


ETA: once final FDA approval is received I could see employers mandating it for any job that deals with the public as well.  Just to avoid the liability of "your employee gave me COVID!!!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 18, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
I just attended the County COVID briefing as the first doses of vaccine arrive in the County and are being distributed today.  We are warning our employees to try and schedule the second dose of vaccine before a day off.  There is a pretty good chance that people will experience some symptoms after the second dose that can make them feel poorly for the next day.  
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 18, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
I just attended the County COVID briefing as the first doses of vaccine arrive in the County and are being distributed today.  We are warning our employees to try and schedule the second dose of vaccine before a day off.  There is a pretty good chance that people will experience some symptoms after the second dose that can make them feel poorly for the next day.  

Everything I've read makes this sound pretty similar to the Anthrax vaccine,  which I've had several times.

It's pretty unpleasant, for a day or two.  You probably won't be bedridden,  but expect to feel pretty cruddy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 18, 2020, 01:20:18 PM
During SWAT training it was mentioned that doses of the vaccine were offered to county administrators and emergency personnel.  Four accepted.

I think a lot of people feel like a rushed vaccine may not be as safe as is claimed and are wanting someone else to get it first to see how well it works and how bad the side effects are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 18, 2020, 01:20:18 PM
During SWAT training it was mentioned that doses of the vaccine were offered to county administrators and emergency personnel.  Four accepted.

I think a lot of people feel like a rushed vaccine may not be as safe as is claimed and are wanting someone else to get it first to see how well it works and how bad the side effects are.

Meh.  Enough people have gotten it to be pretty sure about the immediate side effects.

I'm unsure about long term effects,  but no one will know about those for decades.  Gotta make a decision before then. Assuming that we actually get a functional choice.


Mrs. Mush got informed today that she up for her first shot next week.  I'm expecting the DOD will get around to me March-ish.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 18, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
Everything I've read makes this sound pretty similar to the Anthrax vaccine,  which I've had several times.

It's pretty unpleasant, for a day or two.  You probably won't be bedridden,  but expect to feel pretty cruddy.

I am wondering if this will be the second Shingrix redux, which I had earlier this month, and made me feel pretty crappy for 1.5 days.  I will definitely report back when I get it, which will probably be in January or February with the second immune three weeks later.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 18, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 18, 2020, 01:30:28 PM

I'm unsure about long term effects

AOC starts sounding reasonable  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 18, 2020, 01:48:00 PM
I wonder what % of the population will need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. I know it varies, with measles it is about 95% of the population. As far as I can see we do not have herd immunity from other corona virus types so why should this one be different. Same with the flu, in spite of a robust immunization program every year it still infects and kills people. Just some random thoughts in my head as I try to sort the wheat from the chaff.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 18, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 18, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
I am wondering if this will be the second Shingrix redux, which I had earlier this month, and made me feel pretty crappy for 1.5 days.  I will definitely report back when I get it, which will probably be in January or February with the second immune three weeks later.

I did the Shingrix series earlier this year. No side effects or after effects at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 18, 2020, 04:30:51 PM
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We are warning our employees to try and schedule the second dose of vaccine before a day off.  There is a pretty good chance that people will experience some symptoms after the second dose that can make them feel poorly for the next day. 

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It's pretty unpleasant, for a day or two.  You probably won't be bedridden,  but expect to feel pretty cruddy.

If my employer requires me to take a vaccine that is expected to make me sick they can damn well give me a free paid sick day or two to deal with the after effects.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 18, 2020, 05:44:36 PM
Here's some COVID vaccine action for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 18, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
The Moderna vaccine is available now, and news to me - apparently Dolly Parton helped fund it. She sure is a great gal.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/18/heres-why-the-just-approved-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-is-better-than-pfizers-for-rural-hospitals-and-smaller-providers/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on December 18, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on December 18, 2020, 05:44:36 PM
Here's some COVID vaccine action for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNzbAClpFs4)

Play the one where the nurse doesn't actually get the vaccine and is fine  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2020, 12:48:15 PM
In one of the more ironic turns of events a customer called and lodged a complaint about me at work.

She was offended that after I answered her questions I informed her that if she did not pull her mask up over her nose while at the registers they would refuse to check her out.

Technically, I was supposed to refuse her service myself but I figured after we interacted and her needs were met it would be an easier conversation.

It is company policy and I  was just trying to give her a heads up before she got up there.

Clown world.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 19, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 19, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases

Viruses will Virus. I don't know why this is not being hit on more. There is a reason people get the common cold year after year and why so much research is put into "next year's flu strain" before coming up with the accepted vaccination. Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) will be around and around and around.

bob

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 19, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 19, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases

They should be broad-spectrum, but poorly so.  OTOH, as viruses (viri?  virii?) mutate the new ones tend to be less virulent. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2020, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: BobR on December 19, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
Viruses will Virus. I don't know why this is not being hit on more. There is a reason people get the common cold year after year and why so much research is put into "next year's flu strain" before coming up with the accepted vaccination. Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) will be around and around and around.

bob



I mentioned colds early on in the discussion, but people (not here - people in general) seem to treat the bioweapon differently, as if a vaccine will just cure everyone. If we can't do it with even the flu, then how do we do that with something more similar to a cold?

Not that there's anything wrong with working on vaccines, but they are not going to stop it. Especially if vaccines can't keep up with what appears to be (again, layman here) rather rapid mutation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 19, 2020, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 19, 2020, 03:00:58 PM
I mentioned colds early on in the discussion, but people (not here - people in general) seem to treat the bioweapon differently, as if a vaccine will just cure everyone. If we can't do it with even the flu, then how do we do that with something more similar to a cold?

Not that there's anything wrong with working on vaccines, but they are not going to stop it. Especially if vaccines can't keep up with what appears to be (again, layman here) rather rapid mutation.

My understanding is that because the mRNA that is in the vaccines causes your cells to develop antibodies that target the spike proteins on the viral particle, rather than the specific SAR-COV-2 particle, this vaccine should be pretty effective for all Coronavirus (Coronaviri?) as they all have that "crown" of spike proteins. (hence the name)  But the details of that are well out of my depth of immunology.  That's just what an epidemiologist friend told me.

I don't know why the various versions of influenza are so slippery.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 19, 2020, 09:42:23 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far.

Of course, drug overdoses are easily avoided by not using in the first place.

Avoiding the Kung Flu is a bit more problematic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on December 19, 2020, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 19, 2020, 09:42:23 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php

Of course, drug overdoses are easily avoided by not using in the first place.

Avoiding the Kung Flu is a bit more problematic.


So you’re telling me a city of 3.3 mil had only 173 Kung Flu deaths? I thought this was the Deadliest Disease Ever! Weak *expletive deleted*ing tea!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 19, 2020, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on December 19, 2020, 09:46:43 PM
So you’re telling me a city of 3.3 mil had only 173 Kung Flu deaths? I thought this was the Deadliest Disease Ever! Weak *expletive deleted*ing tea!

Not to nitpick, but San Francisco's population is about 805,000 according to the 2010 Census.  Even so, 173 is still a mighty small percentage, so your point about "weak *expletive deleted*ing tea" is apt.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 19, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 19, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
They should be broad-spectrum, but poorly so.  OTOH, as viruses (viri?  virii?) mutate the new ones tend to be less virulent. 

Not always, look at the influenza viruses.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 20, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Ten years from now we'll be watching commercials on TV that say, "If you received the COVID-19 vaccination between 2020 and 2021, you may be entitled to compensation."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 20, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 20, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Ten years from now we'll be watching commercials on TV that say, "If you received the COVID-19 vaccination between 2020 and 2021, you may be entitled to compensation."

I don't think so, I believe part of the agreement with the feds to fast track a vaccine was to remove the possibility of future lawsuits.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 20, 2020, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
I don't think so, I believe part of the agreement with the feds to fast track a vaccine was to remove the possibility of future lawsuits.

Laws don't mean what they say anymore.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 20, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 20, 2020, 07:48:40 PM
Laws don't mean what they say anymore.

True, common law relies on court decisions vs. the letter of the law.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 20, 2020, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
True, common law relies on court decisions vs. the letter of the law.



Specious and obtuse; we live under rule of power/men.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 20, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 20, 2020, 08:39:53 PM
Specious and obtuse; we live under rule of power/men.

Always have, you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 20, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
Always have, you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.

The primary difference is that historically the state tried to maintain the fiction by going along with the social contract as written in the original constitution.

The original "law" has been interpreted away over the decades.

Our courts and bureaucracies are no longer interested in maintaining the fiction.

They abandoned inalienable natural rights a long time ago.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 20, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 20, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
The primary difference is that historically the state tried to maintain the fiction by going along with the social contract as written in the original constitution.

The original "law" has been interpreted away over the decades.

Our courts and bureaucracies are no longer interested in maintaining the fiction.

They abandoned inalienable natural rights a long time ago.



It got derailed right from the start. i.e. Whiskey Act, became law in March 1791.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 20, 2020, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
It got derailed right from the start. i.e. Whiskey Act, became law in March 1791.

Yea, but it is like mutations building up over the generations.

We live in the bizzaro world version of the original America.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 20, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 20, 2020, 10:26:47 PM
Yea, but it is like mutations building up over the generations.

We live in the bizzaro world version of the original America.

Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 20, 2020, 11:28:39 PM
We are not that far from that. It still happens in some places. Just the races may have changed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 21, 2020, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

Ooh, sick burn, bro.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 02:52:59 AM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

Besides, we don't even have to ride your loaded question back in time for that, just go visit Libya.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 07:39:04 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 02:52:59 AM
And when did you stop beating your wife?

Besides, we don't even have to ride your loaded question back in time for that, just go visit Libya.


Libya isn't the US.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 21, 2020, 08:39:04 AM
I continue to be irked by this:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/21/no-masks-no-social-distancing-how-come-saturday-night-live-continues-to-be-an-essential-business-in-nyc/

Restaurants are shut down or heavily restricted, kids can't go to school, but these idiots can carry on like nothing is happening (all while smugly using their twitters to nag ordinary people about masks and sacrifice).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
Quote from: charby on December 20, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

I would like to reverse the movement toward the government acting as if it owns its citizens, where everyone is a second class citizen compared to our petty rulers and the state can kill its citizens with impunity.

LEX REX based upon inalienable God given natural rights.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 21, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
I would like to reverse the movement toward the government acting as if it owns its citizens, where everyone is a second class citizen compared to our petty rulers and the state can kill its citizens with impunity.

LEX REX based upon inalienable God given natural rights.

Unfortunately none of us were alive during that time, probably need to go back to time of the 1780s with the Articles of Confederation.

I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2ns World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Unfortunately none of us were alive during that time, probably need to go back to time of the 1780s with the Articles of Confederation.

I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2ns World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.

I think you have a terrible habit of arguing against straw men and imputing arguments to people they never made.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:17:12 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 21, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
I think you have a terrible habit of arguing against straw men and imputing arguments to people they never made.



Pot f**king kettle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 21, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:17:12 AM
Pot f**king kettle.
If that's the plan then you and Pot should get a room, Kettle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:39:42 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 21, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
If that's the plan then you and Pot should get a room, Kettle.

No, I think Ron has run out of short choppy talking points.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 21, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/20/948606578/older-people-some-essential-workers-to-get-vaccines-next-cdc-panel-says?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR1nB3grYyUKBsNKFDBuLUIpA2c-k1fGMrwWpRatrfxj4dWO71x1Ny8tSas

If you want to think about where you are on the vaccine priority list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 21, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Slight covid tangent, but I just heard an interview on Maria Bartiromo's show, talking to a financial guy who is temporarily living in Dubai. We talk about rules here and in Europe a lot, but I haven't seen us talk about restrictions in the ME, where you might intuitively expect death penalties for not following covid rules.  :laugh:

In the UAE, apparently they made things simple. Everyone is to wear a mask everywhere they go or be fined. Otherwise, everything is open and people can go wherever they want. Whatever you think of the medical effectiveness of the rule, it actually seems pretty reasonable to me. Businesses can all remain open and people can visit all businesses, but you just have to wear your mask. No major economic impacts.

I don't think I'd have a big problem if we did that here. It wouldn't be much different to me than me than choosing to wear a mask if I choose to go to Costco or Home Despot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
My store is still limiting how many people we let inside, masks mandatory per both state mandate and company policy.

No proper wearing of the mask = no service.

We are supposed to maintain 6ft social distance also. The nature of where I work has a lot of "hands on" fitting so it becomes a source of annoyance for a lot of customers.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:39:42 AM
No, I think Ron has run out of short choppy talking points.

I know complicated ideas are hard for you so I try and make it easy on you  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 07:39:04 AM
Libya isn't the US.

And yet its current situation was engineered by the US department of state under Secretary Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 09:17:12 AM
Pot f**king kettle.

No.  It really is you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 04:08:17 PM
No.  It really is you.

PM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
PM

Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 04:23:46 PM
How so? If it is because I have a different opinion, you have no merit is saying it's me.


Pushing strawmen and putting words in other peoples mouths isn't opinion, it's just dishonest; and I won't help you hide this by taking it PM. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 21, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Pushing strawmen and putting words in other peoples mouths isn't opinion, it's just dishonest; and I won't help you hide this by taking it PM. 

Perhaps y'all need to point to a historical point of time in this nation when you feel it was perfect for how you think is was, If you aren't liking my guessing game.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 21, 2020, 04:55:29 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
Perhaps y'all need to point to a historical point of time in this nation when you feel it was perfect for how you think is was, If you aren't liking my guessing game.
Why would there ever have to be a point in time things were perfect?  That's a progressive pundit talking point, dude.

You have in the past advocated higher taxes, and taxes were higher pre-Civil Rights Act, so should we take that as you supporting racism?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 21, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 21, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 21, 2020, 04:55:29 PM
Why would there ever have to be a point in time things were perfect?  That's a progressive pundit talking point, dude.


Then folks should quit pining for the past.

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You have in the past advocated higher taxes, and taxes were higher pre-Civil Rights Act, so should we take that as you supporting racism?

Kill whitey!

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Then folks should quit pining for the past.

There is a difference between pining for the past (nostalgia) and desiring a return to first principles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 21, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Then folks should quit pining for the past.
You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...

But now all of a sudden you're against any sort of positive view of any American history as pining for some sort of racist past. 

It's almost like the pundits on the left decided recently that any positive view of American history had to be condemned as racist and you - someone who when it is convenient calls out people for slavishly following pundits - starts accusing anyone who liked something about US history of being racist. 

Totally independently, I'm sure.  Not following pundits at all.

Quote from: charby on December 21, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Kill whitey!
Hmmm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab-ebook/dp/B08CRZ9VZB/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Looks like a lot of folks have been prepping for covid 19

Quote
"COVID-19: The Great Reset" is a guide for anyone who wants to understand how COVID-19 disrupted our social and economic systems, and what changes will be needed to create a more inclusive, resilient and sustainable world going forward. Klaus Schwab, founder and executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, and Thierry Malleret, founder of the Monthly Barometer, explore what the root causes of this crisis were, and why they lead to a need for a Great Reset.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 21, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 21, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab-ebook/dp/B08CRZ9VZB/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Looks like a lot of folks have been prepping for covid 19

Wow.  The reviews seem  nearly all pretty negative.   Guess Herr Schwab and the WEF  must be almost as bad as the Bilderbergers or the Trilateral Commitee.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 22, 2020, 12:48:20 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 21, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...

But now all of a sudden you're against any sort of positive view of any American history as pining for some sort of racist past. 

It's almost like the pundits on the left decided recently that any positive view of American history had to be condemned as racist and you - someone who when it is convenient calls out people for slavishly following pundits - starts accusing anyone who liked something about US history of being racist. 

Totally independently, I'm sure.  Not following pundits at all.
Hmmm.

Who broke your sarcasm button?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 22, 2020, 10:36:37 AM
Quote
I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2nd World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.

This reply had nothing due to racism. This was about middle class economics and global American dominance.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 22, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 21, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
You never used to mind pining for the past back when you would wish for the 60s when one income could support a middle class family, or when programs you liked were funded at higher rates ...

But now all of a sudden you're against any sort of positive view of any American history as pining for some sort of racist past. 

It's almost like the pundits on the left decided recently that any positive view of American history had to be condemned as racist and you - someone who when it is convenient calls out people for slavishly following pundits - starts accusing anyone who liked something about US history of being racist. 

Totally independently, I'm sure.  Not following pundits at all.
Hmmm.

It's not a new thing, its been that way for a while when people started to look at the winners and losers in history instead of just telling the side of the winners. I can remember some of the my high school history classes in the late 80s were starting to touch on the losers in history. Yes, single income nuclear family households on the 50-60s was a very racist thing, during that period a white male with a good work ethic had no problem finding a job that supported that lifestyle pretty much anywhere in the country, while a non white didn't have those opportunities, except for industrial areas where labor was needed. White flight to the suburbs, etc.

Used to be the conservative mantra was equality for all, I don't know where that was lost along the way. Liberals aren't for equality either, they are just obstructionists using just enough policy to appease with bread and circus.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 22, 2020, 11:28:28 AM
In the 50's and 60's the nation was majority white to the tune of over 95%.

Probably closer to 98% in the 50's as the flood of non white immigrants didn't start until after 65.

There was never a conservative mantra of equality for all.

Conservatives accepted the concept of everyone being equal under the law.

LEX REX

 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 22, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
"The white population of the United States increased by 17.5 percent between 1950 and 1960, as compared with 26.7 percent for the nonwhite population, so that white persons constituted 88.6 percent of the total population in 1960 and 89.3 percent in 1950."

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1961/dec/pc-s1-10.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on December 22, 2020, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: charby on December 22, 2020, 10:36:37 AM
This reply had nothing due to racism. This was about middle class economics and global American dominance.



OHHHHH, so when YOU pine for the past, it's not about racism. But when other people pine for the past, it's obviously about racism. Got it.

Quote from: charby on December 22, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Yes, single income nuclear family households on the 50-60s was a very racist thing, during that period a white male with a good work ethic had no problem finding a job that supported that lifestyle pretty much anywhere in the country, while a non white didn't have those opportunities, except for industrial areas where labor was needed. White flight to the suburbs, etc.

Statistics to back that up?

Because I have some statistics for you, if you want to talk about historical economic trends:

From 1960 to 1968 (continuing a trend from 1950 on), the percentage of black people living under the poverty line dropped by half, from ~60% to ~30%.

From 1960 to 1968, (continuing a trend that again, started in the 50s) Black incomes saw large growth, not only in absolute size, bat as a percentage of white incomes, from 60% to 70% of white income.

Blacks were making massive gains in income, employment rates, poverty escaping, during this horrific time "when whitey was making sure they didn't have any opportunities."

Some people may need to take off rose colored glassed when looking at the past. I think you need to take off the soot-covered ones.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 22, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 22, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
"The white population of the United States increased by 17.5 percent between 1950 and 1960, as compared with 26.7 percent for the nonwhite population, so that white persons constituted 88.6 percent of the total population in 1960 and 89.3 percent in 1950."

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1961/dec/pc-s1-10.html

OK, we'll call it 89% in 1950 and 88% in 1960.

10% of the remaining population were the Black citizens which presented unique struggles of integrating into society due the history of slavery. That gives us 98 and 99% of the population.

So if Charby was talking about Blacks he should have said so, instead of making it sound like there was this huge population of non-whites being discriminated against.

Blacks were discriminated against both unfairly and fairly in America in the 50's and 60's.

And what is with lumping all whites into one category?

The white population of the USA (and Europe for that matter) is anything but homogeneous.

Unless you are just judging by the color of ones skin.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 22, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote
Some people may need to take off rose colored glassed when looking at the past. I think you need to take off the soot-covered ones.

Yeah, that ain't soot covering his eyes  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 22, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
Sign of the apocalypse:  AOC is actually making sense.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/22/ben-shapiro-candace-owens-and-other-conservatives-are-in-full-agreement-with-aoc-after-she-called-the-covid-relief-bill-hostage-taking/

Quote from: AOC
This is why Congress needs time to actually read this package before voting on it.

Members of Congress have not read this bill. It’s over 5000 pages, arrived at 2pm today, and we are told to expect a vote on it in 2 hours.

This isn’t governance. It’s hostage-taking.

And by the way, it’s not just members who need to see the bill ahead of time - YOU do.

The PUBLIC needs to see these bills w enough time to contact their rep to let them know how they feel.

Members are reeling right now bc they don’t have time to consult w/ their communities.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 22, 2020, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: makattak on December 22, 2020, 11:53:25 AM
OHHHHH, so when YOU pine for the past, it's not about racism. But when other people pine for the past, it's obviously about racism. Got it.

Statistics to back that up?


https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/yi/yi16.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on December 22, 2020, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: charby on December 22, 2020, 12:24:30 PM
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/yi/yi16.pdf

So, black people were making massive gains in income and gained ground on white incomes during the period of 1950-1970, as I reported?

Thanks for confirming what I said- the 1950s were a time of great improvement for black people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2020, 12:59:03 PM
How quickly their opinion can change.


'Modern day miracle': Beshear applauds work behind COVID-19 vaccine before receiving first dose
https://www.wlky.com/article/modern-day-miracle-beshear-applauds-work-behind-covid-19-vaccine-before-receiving-first-dose/35044968
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 22, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Charby,

Can we agree on the following?

1. There have been bad things done in the past in the US.  Those bad things are bad.
2. There have been good things done in the past in the US.  Those good things are good.
3. There have been structurally bad things about he US system.  Those things should be changed.
4. There have been structurally good things about the US system.  Those things should not be changed.
5. Some good things have changed for the worse.
6. Some bad things have changed for the better.
7. It is possible to wish for the return of good things that have been lost without simultaneously wishing for the return of the bad things that were done away with.

Your presumption in this conversation (and totally separately the presumption of leftwing pundits) seems to be that anyone who calls for the restoration of something positive that was lost must also want the restoration of the bad things that existed back when as well. 

I posit that is not the case, and one need not think things were 100% perfect at any given point to say (for instance) they wish that a bad law had not been passed.  Further, just as telling the story in terms strictly of winners or losers misses a big part of the truth, trying to make the story strictly about race and defining all members of that race as either winners or losers might miss a good bit of the story and truth too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 22, 2020, 01:52:57 PM
^^^Cordex, your numbered list should be engraved on a stone tablet somewhere.  I like it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 22, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 22, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Charby,

Can we agree on the following?

1. There have been bad things done in the past in the US.  Those bad things are bad.
2. There have been good things done in the past in the US.  Those good things are good.
3. There have been structurally bad things about he US system.  Those things should be changed.
4. There have been structurally good things about the US system.  Those things should not be changed.
5. Some good things have changed for the worse.
6. Some bad things have changed for the better.
7. It is possible to wish for the return of good things that have been lost without simultaneously wishing for the return of the bad things that were done away with.

Hard not to disagree. So yes, I agree with you.

Quote
Your presumption in this conversation (and totally separately the presumption of leftwing pundits) seems to be that anyone who calls for the restoration of something positive that was lost must also want the restoration of the bad things that existed back when as well. 

I posit that is not the case, and one need not think things were 100% perfect at any given point to say (for instance) they wish that a bad law had not been passed.  Further, just as telling the story in terms strictly of winners or losers misses a big part of the truth, trying to make the story strictly about race and defining all members of that race as either winners or losers might miss a good bit of the story and truth too.

We all pine for things in past, wouldn't be human if you didn't. But one also needs to look at why things aren't the same at the same time. Politicians and money suck too.

For example I wish anti gun folks would realize that gun control laws are rooted in racism.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 22, 2020, 03:33:23 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 22, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
Sign of the apocalypse:  AOC is actually making sense.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/22/ben-shapiro-candace-owens-and-other-conservatives-are-in-full-agreement-with-aoc-after-she-called-the-covid-relief-bill-hostage-taking/


Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. But she is entirely correct. No legislator should ever vote on a bill that he or she has not been given an opportunity to read and digest. Asking [exhorting/requiring] them to do so is not leadership, it's tyranny.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 22, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: charby on December 22, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
We all pine for things in past, wouldn't be human if you didn't. But one also needs to look at why things aren't the same at the same time. Politicians and money suck too.
Fair enough.  So you obviously brought race into the conversation for a reason - apparently because you saw it as a factor for something that someone else was failing to consider.  Could you elaborate a bit on what you thought that was contributing?

Quote from: charby on December 22, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
For example I wish anti gun folks would realize that gun control laws are rooted in racism.
Yes, this is true, but it doesn't mean that everyone who advocates for modern gun control are doing so with racist intent.  Nor is racially motivated evil the only kind of evil that needs to be guarded against.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 22, 2020, 05:35:29 PM
There are more important things to discuss. This virus could be like the chickenpox. Only instead of getting shingles, you'll end up getting clapboards.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 22, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on December 22, 2020, 05:35:29 PM
There are more important things to discuss.

Woody

Absolutely.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ISBJc1wFk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 22, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
^^^lol!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on December 22, 2020, 07:01:08 PM
Oh PLEASE let that be true!   :rofl: [ar15] [ar15]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 22, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on December 22, 2020, 07:01:08 PM
Oh PLEASE let that be true!   :rofl: [ar15] [ar15]

Well, it's CNN,  so it's most likely fake news .....  [tinfoil] [popcorn]   .......  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on December 22, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 22, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Absolutely.

(https://fark-usrimg-850.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/G/G2/fark_G2wq0Og9RrHr40o8jsKi1IaFyPA.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=HBAYEKZHGUB4NAYQBVSQ&Expires=1609131600&Signature=hyQ2pWVUrNPLEGc4MESx6zX3q3w%3D)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ISBJc1wFk


Revers. It's the Pax!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 22, 2020, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 22, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Absolutely.

(https://fark-usrimg-850.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/G/G2/fark_G2wq0Og9RrHr40o8jsKi1IaFyPA.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=HBAYEKZHGUB4NAYQBVSQ&Expires=1609131600&Signature=hyQ2pWVUrNPLEGc4MESx6zX3q3w%3D)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ISBJc1wFk

 


Stole that and posted it on fecesbook,
Already got three people offended.
Winning!





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on December 23, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 23, 2020, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Andiron on December 23, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.

That could be a good premise for a movie or TV show.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2020, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on December 23, 2020, 07:52:46 AM
That could be a good premise for a movie or TV show.

Nah, never work.

Well, maybe if Disney decided to steal the idea. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
I just heard on the TV that the CCP bioweapon has made it to Antarctica. Apparently the entire Chilean contingent there is infected.

This bodes ill for when the zombie apocalypse hits. Seems going remote isn't that big of a help. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 23, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
I just heard on the TV that the CCP bioweapon has made it to Antarctica. Apparently the entire Chilean contingent there is infected.

This bodes ill for when the zombie apocalypse hits. Seems going remote isn't that big of a help. :)

I'm sure they cycle personnel in and out all the time so it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2020, 10:28:06 AM
Knock Knock
Who's there?
COVID-20
COVID-20 who?

Quote
Just days after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine for Emergency Use Authorization, news broke of a mutant coronavirus strain with “significantly faster” transmission rates making its way through the U.K., per The Washington Post.

This variant, which has been dubbed “COVID-20” on social media, first emerged in southeast England in September, and has quickly dominated surrounding regions since. Some areas of England, including London, have now entered into “Tier 4” stay-at-home restrictions, which forbids mixing of households. Restaurants may only do takeout or drive-thru service, and only essential retailers, like grocery stores, may stay open.

Doctors explain the new mutant coronavirus strain that shut down the UK
https://www.wlky.com/article/britain-covid-19-coronavirus-mutation/35048860

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/tumblr_25fb3221fbf1322e9c20bbd3b714a957_f3831e78_500.webp)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 23, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 23, 2020, 10:28:06 AM
Knock Knock
Who's there?
COVID-20
COVID-20 who?

Doctors explain the new mutant coronavirus strain that shut down the UK
https://www.wlky.com/article/britain-covid-19-coronavirus-mutation/35048860

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/tumblr_25fb3221fbf1322e9c20bbd3b714a957_f3831e78_500.webp)

Aha!   Now we know where THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN came from!!!  [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 22, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Fair enough.  So you obviously brought race into the conversation for a reason - apparently because you saw it as a factor for something that someone else was failing to consider.  Could you elaborate a bit on what you thought that was contributing?

Just that when we go back to whatever glorious time in the past (in the US) people pine for, it's usually a time when it wasn't so good for non whites (or Irish too, etc.). Just sitting here in my house that the bank mostly owns sits on land that was once controlled by Ioway Nations who ceded their lands from the end of a gun barrel to the US from 1820-1840 to be forced onto reservations. After the Indians were kicked off, much of the land was given away (or sold cheap) to whites to settle and develop.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 01:33:45 PM
Just that when we go back to whatever glorious time in the past (in the US) people pine for, it's usually a time when it wasn't so good for non whites (or Irish too, etc.). Just sitting here in my house that the bank mostly owns sits on land that was once controlled by Ioway Nations who ceded their lands from the end of a gun barrel to the US from 1820-1840 to be forced onto reservations. After the Indians were kicked off, much of the land was given away (or sold cheap) to whites to settle and develop.
... so they must be pining for the bad things?

Also, out of curiosity are you planning on giving your land back to the Iowa people after you pay it off?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 23, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
... so they must be pining for the bad things?

Also, out of curiosity are you planning on giving your land back to the Iowa people after you pay it off?

I think you're missing my point, doesn't mean they are pining for the bad things, just some of the good things came from a higher cost of the bad things paid by someone else. Actually going back to those times, the burden of the bad to get the good will have to bore by someone.

I just looked at the abstract for my property, the US owned it and 1855 and deeded the original 160 acres over to a Benjamin Richards. So the feds can pay the Ioway nation since they profited from the 1st sale. My lot is 3/4 of acre and Mr. Richards probably paid $2 an acre in 1855 since that was before the Homestead Act.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 02:23:20 PM
I think you're missing my point, doesn't mean they are pining for the bad things, just some of the good things came from a higher cost of the bad things paid by someone else. Actually going back to those times, the burden of the bad to get the good will have to bore by someone.
I'd like to suggest that it is possible that not everyone who talks positively about founding principles of this nation or doesn't like some arbitrary expansion of government authority (say, COVID restrictions that were invented out of whole cloth without so much as a nod to the legal way of enacting such requirements, to bring it full circle) or something is wishing for the good ol' days when a house slave would bring them a cool mint julep on a hot day.

Just maybe.

Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 02:23:20 PM
I just looked at the abstract for my property, the US owned it and 1855 and deeded the original 160 acres over to a Benjamin Richards. So the feds can pay the Ioway nation since they profited from the 1st sale. My lot is 3/4 of acre and Mr. Richards probably paid $2 an acre in 1855 since that was before the Homestead Act.
So you really don't care who your land was stolen from all that much.  Or who the people from whom it was stolen took it from before that, for that matter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 23, 2020, 02:35:30 PM
So you really don't care who your land was stolen from all that much.  Or who the people from whom it was stolen took it from before that, for that matter.

I do care, but I like to know the full story, so hopefully it doesn't get repeated. I would love to see free or cheap farm ground, but I with other residents of Iowa, don't want to pick up a arms and take it away from the landowners in Illinois and force them to a reservation in New York State.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
I do care, but I like to know the full story, so hopefully it doesn't get repeated. I would love to see free or cheap farm ground, but I with other residents of Iowa, don't want to pick up a arms and take it away from the landowners in Illinois and force them to a reservation in New York State.
So you approach it not so much from an original sin perspective (ala the colleges and Canadians who have to engage in pseudo-religious self-flagellation for historical crimes against the "true owners" of the land) to appease the woke for the crimes of who they are and what they have, and more from an instructional perspective, wherein you recall historical mistakes or successes to help you improve the future?

Sort of like what I took Ron to be doing before you accused him of wanting to restore slavery?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 23, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
So you approach it not so much from an original sin perspective (ala the colleges and Canadians who have to engage in pseudo-religious self-flagellation for historical crimes against the "true owners" of the land) to appease the woke for the crimes of who they are and what they have, and more from an instructional perspective, wherein you recall historical mistakes or successes to help you improve the future?

Sort of like what I took Ron to be doing before you accused him of wanting to restore slavery?

My text:
Quote
Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

I see no accusations, just a devil's advocate question.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
My text:
I see no accusations, just a devil's advocate question.
=|  Yes, I know exactly what you said.

You're being disingenuous.  The act of asking someone whether they want something horrific is a clear and pointed accusation.  At minimum you are implying that there is a question as to how they would respond and it is a clear attempt to rhetorically join what they proposed with something evil. 

It is increasingly fashionable on the left to try to use a very targeted and myopic view of historical evil in the US to prove that everything they dislike about the US is likewise evil, and it is my impression that you were attempting to flirt with that kind of rhetoric.  But you bungled it, and instead of tripping Ron up and making him look the fool, it makes it seem like in your mind things that are genuine good are permanently joined to things that are evil.

"You like the natural, inalienable rights in the Constitution?  Well then you must like slavery too!"

That's presumably not what you believe, and I won't insult you by asking you if that's what you intended.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 23, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
=|  Yes, I know exactly what you said.

You're being disingenuous.  The act of asking someone whether they want something horrific is a clear and pointed accusation.  At minimum you are implying that there is a question as to how they would respond and it is a clear attempt to rhetorically join what they proposed with something evil. 

It is increasingly fashionable on the left to try to use a very targeted and myopic view of historical evil in the US to prove that everything they dislike about the US is likewise evil, and it is my impression that you were attempting to flirt with that kind of rhetoric.  But you bungled it, and instead of tripping Ron up and making him look the fool, it makes it seem like in your mind things that are genuine good are permanently joined to things that are evil.

"You like the natural, inalienable rights in the Constitution?  Well then you must like slavery too!"

That's presumably not what you believe, and I won't insult you by asking you if that's what you intended.

No, its just as simple as with history, the bad goes with the good. That is it, my whole thing was to perhaps to discuss why xyz doesn't happen anymore, instead of the typical "liberals been poisoning the well since 19whatever postmodern society" response.

This place seems to have turned into an echo chamber for a few handful of members.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 23, 2020, 06:01:55 PM
Dishonest discourse deserves not politeness, but contempt, excoriation, and mockery.  I won't hold someone's coat while they piss on my leg.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 23, 2020, 06:14:49 PM
Are we still talking about the Kung Flu at all?  Thread drift is fine (that's what we do :D) but this one seems to have blown off course entirely, and that's a shame.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 05:49:12 PM
No, its just as simple as with history, the bad goes with the good.
Okay, so how does that apply to the discussion at hand?  Your deep insight was in response to people condemning government usurpation of power over people's human rights.  How did your historical reference play in to that?  Seems to me the evils you brought up were in large part due to the government usurpation of power over people's human rights.  Maybe if you thought about it you'd realize you and Ron actually have some common ground.

Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 05:49:12 PM
That is it, my whole thing was to perhaps to discuss why xyz doesn't happen anymore, instead of the typical "liberals been poisoning the well since 19whatever postmodern society" response.
I'm still not seeing the connection.  If I'm being charitable, I'd say you were trying to find something to argue with Ron about, threw out some bumper sticker lines that you've heard, and just missed a lot of context.

Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 05:49:12 PM
This place seems to have turned into an echo chamber for a few handful of members.
Disagreement doesn't make it an echo chamber, charby.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 23, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 23, 2020, 09:37:51 PM

Disagreement doesn't make it an echo chamber, charby.

Slamming disagreement does or insulting the person does for their beliefs.

Quote
Echo chamber is an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
 

One more time, fingers crossed you will understand what I was attempting.

An example not involving race or something I said in the past.

A liberal minded person talks about how we should try socialism (again), someone counters them, "well what about the past with the mass deaths, starvation, corruption at the top, etc."

After this I'm done explaining, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, hope your kind to your slaves on Boxing Day. --- The last bit is a joke, since you tend to take things at the absolute.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 23, 2020, 11:10:10 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 22, 2020, 01:52:57 PM
^^^Cordex, your numbered list should be engraved on a stone tablet somewhere.  I like it.

I concur, very concise and to the point.

No hyperbole or rhetoric.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 23, 2020, 11:35:16 PM
Getting back on topic, if that is possible, we had an uptick in cases here right before Thanksgiving. No deaths. The mid 80's guy that spent 3 weeks on a ventilator was partying  it up last weekend. His wife of same age and in worse health said it was like a cold.

It treats everyone different.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on December 24, 2020, 12:46:46 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on December 23, 2020, 07:52:46 AM
That could be a good premise for a movie or TV show.

A TV show with at least 3-5 good seasons, and maybe and epic movie to end it? 

Yeah,  I wish I lived in that reality :D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 24, 2020, 09:58:50 AM
Quote from: charby on December 23, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
One more time, fingers crossed you will understand what I was attempting.

An example not involving race or something I said in the past.

A liberal minded person talks about how we should try socialism (again), someone counters them, "well what about the past with the mass deaths, starvation, corruption at the top, etc."
I've clearly made a mistake.  My presumption was (and you agreed) that you believed there could be a distinction made between the good of the US's founding principles of individual freedom, rule by law, equality under the law, etc. and the evil of the way our nation initially failed to live up to some those principles. 

If in fact you have bought into the hard-left party line that racism and sexism are endemic to and inseparable from the founding principles of the US in the same way that totalitarianism, theft, corruption, starvation, and mass murder are endemic to socialism then there is simply not much discussion that can be had.

As you are someone who has prided himself in the past on being a free thinker, independent of pundits, and generally tried to position yourself as a centrist, it is unfortunate to see in this discussion nothing but tired, ahistorical, pseudo-intellectual, leftist pundit talking points.

I'm definitely looking forward to spending a few days with my daughters, my new son, and my wife and hope you have a similarly comfortable, relaxed, and enjoyable time off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on December 24, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 24, 2020, 09:58:50 AM
I've clearly made a mistake.  My presumption was (and you agreed) that you believed there could be a distinction made between the good of the US's founding principles of individual freedom, rule by law, equality under the law, etc. and the evil of the way our nation initially failed to live up to some those principles. 

If in fact you have bought into the hard-left party line that racism and sexism are endemic to and inseparable from the founding principles of the US in the same way that totalitarianism, theft, corruption, starvation, and mass murder are endemic to socialism then there is simply not much discussion that can be had.

As you are someone who has prided himself in the past on being a free thinker, independent of pundits, and generally tried to position yourself as a centrist, it is unfortunate to see in this discussion nothing but tired, ahistorical, pseudo-intellectual, leftist pundit talking points.

I'm definitely looking forward to spending a few days with my daughters, my new son, and my wife and hope you have a similarly comfortable, relaxed, and enjoyable time off.

And you missed again
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 24, 2020, 11:14:54 AM
(https://s3-assets.eastidahonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/02113736/Train-Derailment-860x574.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 24, 2020, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: charby on December 24, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
And you missed again
You are very good at claiming to be misunderstood and that what you said is not what you meant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 24, 2020, 12:10:53 PM
Admin fight!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 24, 2020, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 24, 2020, 12:10:53 PM
Admin fight!


Is this where we say "Take it to DMs"?  :rofl:

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 24, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: BobR on December 24, 2020, 01:13:20 PM
Is this where we say "Take it to DMs"?  :rofl:

bob

I hope they don't.

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 24, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
Well there's always this option

(https://editions.lib.umn.edu/electionacademy/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/01/mad-max-thunderdome.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 24, 2020, 01:48:19 PM
"TWO MEN ENTER!  ONE MAN LEAVES!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 24, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 24, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
I hope they don't.

 [popcorn]


I'm right here with you.
 [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 24, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Healthcare staff turn on each other: https://dnyuz.com/2020/12/24/hospital-workers-start-to-turn-against-each-other-to-get-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 24, 2020, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 24, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Healthcare staff turn on each other: https://dnyuz.com/2020/12/24/hospital-workers-start-to-turn-against-each-other-to-get-vaccine/

TWO MEN ENTER!  ONE MAN LEAVES GETS THE VACCINE!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 24, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
Also, don't pray if your covid room is double occupancy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/24/covid-patient-praying-killed-california/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 24, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 24, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
Also, don't pray if your covid room is double occupancy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/24/covid-patient-praying-killed-california/

And another Covid death to reinforce the lock down in California!


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 24, 2020, 08:12:45 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreefall.purrsia.com%2Fff3600%2Fsanta2020.png&hash=5964ff0c880692c2134f51a8aafe730f470ec2a2)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 26, 2020, 10:17:26 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/nyregion/frozen-bodies-coronavirus-brooklyn.html

New York upgrades storage capacity for bodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 26, 2020, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 26, 2020, 10:17:26 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/nyregion/frozen-bodies-coronavirus-brooklyn.html

New York upgrades storage capacity for bodies.

Are they planning another assault on the nursing homes?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 26, 2020, 12:35:01 PM
I think I need these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FD65PN5?psc=1&pf_rd_p=ad89aa1f-fb35-4a45-91db-26c0853b907f&pf_rd_r=JZ1QHT9MANJ8GVH52MBM&pd_rd_wg=P0XWp&pd_rd_i=B08FD65PN5&pd_rd_w=unhFT&pd_rd_r=3ee05359-ced0-4e40-bd25-b8d482d5ad2d&ref_=pd_luc_rh_bmx_04_03_t_img_lh

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 26, 2020, 06:51:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 26, 2020, 12:35:01 PM
I think I need these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FD65PN5?psc=1&pf_rd_p=ad89aa1f-fb35-4a45-91db-26c0853b907f&pf_rd_r=JZ1QHT9MANJ8GVH52MBM&pd_rd_wg=P0XWp&pd_rd_i=B08FD65PN5&pd_rd_w=unhFT&pd_rd_r=3ee05359-ced0-4e40-bd25-b8d482d5ad2d&ref_=pd_luc_rh_bmx_04_03_t_img_lh

 :rofl:

Well, I just ordered some so you'd better hurry!!!! [tinfoil] :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 27, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 26, 2020, 12:35:01 PM
I think I need these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FD65PN5?psc=1&pf_rd_p=ad89aa1f-fb35-4a45-91db-26c0853b907f&pf_rd_r=JZ1QHT9MANJ8GVH52MBM&pd_rd_wg=P0XWp&pd_rd_i=B08FD65PN5&pd_rd_w=unhFT&pd_rd_r=3ee05359-ced0-4e40-bd25-b8d482d5ad2d&ref_=pd_luc_rh_bmx_04_03_t_img_lh

 :rofl:

This too?

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Arms-Gear-Weatherproof-Injection/dp/B01NH5K87C/ref=pd_vtp_5?pd_rd_w=66QaS&pf_rd_p=4f2ab3e8-468a-4a7c-9b91-89d6a9221c29&pf_rd_r=Z9AKSCXQQ6N5WA9A7ZDN&pd_rd_r=290bbc71-935a-440d-9a5e-5b6e35c1bfc5&pd_rd_wg=Bom2C&pd_rd_i=B01NH5K87C&psc=1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 27, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
Quote from: fistful on December 27, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
This too?

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Arms-Gear-Weatherproof-Injection/dp/B01NH5K87C/ref=pd_vtp_5?pd_rd_w=66QaS&pf_rd_p=4f2ab3e8-468a-4a7c-9b91-89d6a9221c29&pf_rd_r=Z9AKSCXQQ6N5WA9A7ZDN&pd_rd_r=290bbc71-935a-440d-9a5e-5b6e35c1bfc5&pd_rd_wg=Bom2C&pd_rd_i=B01NH5K87C&psc=1

 :laugh:

I already have one of those for my desk, but one for the hitch would be great. Probably would need to lock it on there, since that's actually a target for the little crime we have here - somebody wanting it for themselves.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 27, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
Covid causes SPACE HERPES!

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/27/super-gonorrhea-now-reportedly-spreading-in-the-u-s-and-its-being-blamed-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 27, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 27, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
Covid causes SPACE HERPES!

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/27/super-gonorrhea-now-reportedly-spreading-in-the-u-s-and-its-being-blamed-on-covid-19/

They told hunter to stay away from those Chinese hookers
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 27, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
Oh, and remember to wear your other mask
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 28, 2020, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 27, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
Oh, and remember to wear your other mask

Grandma used to say, don't forget your extra sock boys!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 28, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 27, 2020, 06:37:32 PM
They told hunter to stay away from those Chinese hookers

Should have told Swalwell.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 29, 2020, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 24, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Healthcare staff turn on each other: https://dnyuz.com/2020/12/24/hospital-workers-start-to-turn-against-each-other-to-get-vaccine/
Do hospitals reduce the PPE requirements if someone has the vaccine?  That might be a good reason to fight.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 29, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 29, 2020, 08:37:25 AM
Do hospitals reduce the PPE requirements if someone has the vaccine?  That might be a good reason to fight.

The one Mrs. Mush works at doesn't.  PPE requirements are the same.

They are vaccinating fast enough they are on to the back office workers already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 29, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944379919/new-data-reveal-which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR39aFJesNCOSWPQ1z9mNGQt_-Tdmuafp9To0Fl9vCj3YuhIX3MMgEXVABA

Look to see how the hospitals in your county are doing from a COVID census perspective. Note that the data is not real time and is currently showing December 19-24 data.  Give it a couple of weeks when the Christmas transmission cases start showing up.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
Without a lot more background data, or perhaps I need a better understanding of how the chart is designed: It's showing me that there seems to be little rhyme or reason regarding how restricted a lockdown is or not and the reported cases.

We're freewheeling it where I live, and the hospitalized percentages are way, way lower than most of California, with nazi restrictions. Other places that are freewheeling it do have high percentages, but yet others are lower than where I live. Could be reporting differences, could be cultural differences in how peole respond and interact, could be a lot of things. There just, to me, doesn't seem to be much correlation between lockdown strictness and fewer cases percentage-wise.

ETA: Looking at the breakdown data when I click on my county, the largest hospital system in the county is not even listed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 29, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
^^^A major problem right now is that due to the politicization of the reporting process, some hospitals/healthcare chains are choosing to not report data to the Feds.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
... and here we go.  COVID-19, the sequel:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-variant-found-colorado/73-ac654aef-16f8-4121-99f0-fe009324d7fd

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on December 30, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
... and here we go.  COVID-19, the sequel:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-variant-found-colorado/73-ac654aef-16f8-4121-99f0-fe009324d7fd

AKA:   THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN!!!!!!!!  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 31, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/

Hospital worker deliberately ruins 500 doses of Moderna vaccine. What a little *expletive deleted*it.  I hope some sort of charges can be brought.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 31, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 31, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/

Hospital worker deliberately ruins 500 doses of Moderna vaccine. What a little *expletive deleted*it.  I hope some sort of charges can be brought.

The article I read, he ruined 57 doses.  I don't know why the whole batch was thrown out, other than to increase the drama.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 31, 2020, 10:20:20 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 31, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
The article I read, he ruined 57 doses.  I don't know why the whole batch was thrown out, other than to increase the drama.
57 vials.  I assume there is more than one dose per vial.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 31, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
A Washington Costco had a superspreader event with 150 employees getting infected. I thought it was interesting because Costco is pretty strict on all virus precautions. Not just masks, but they will not touch your membership/credit card, rather scanning it remotely from behind a barrier, and won't even hand you your receipt. They tape it to your cart, and when the receipt checker at the front door grabs the receipt with a clipboard to mark it off, they never touch it. They all wear gloves too.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/washington-state-costco-employees-infected-covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 31, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 31, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
The article I read, he ruined 57 doses.  I don't know why the whole batch was thrown out, other than to increase the drama.

The Moderna package insert that I had to read before we could accept the shipment, states there are 10 doses per multi-dose vial.  Moderna does not have to be kept as cold as the Pfizer vaccine, but there is a narrow temp range for the freezer.  We have vaccine alarms on our freezers/refrigerators that check for temp, power outages, wifi connections, etc.  When the alarms get escalated to a certain point, I start getting automated text messages.  I got two last night, at 0230 and 0330 that turned out to be normal compressor cycling.  But the temp was out of range by 0.5 degrees for 60 seconds, so the alarms trigger.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on December 31, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 31, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/

Hospital worker deliberately ruins 500 doses of Moderna vaccine. What a little *expletive deleted*it.  I hope some sort of charges can be brought.

Local, and no paywall:

https://www.cbs58.com/news/employee-intentionally-removed-covid-19-vaccine-from-refrigeration-at-aurora-medical-center-in-grafton
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 31, 2020, 01:18:10 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 31, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
A Washington Costco had a superspreader event with 150 employees getting infected. I thought it was interesting because Costco is pretty strict on all virus precautions. Not just masks, but they will not touch your membership/credit card, rather scanning it remotely from behind a barrier, and won't even hand you your receipt. They tape it to your cart, and when the receipt checker at the front door grabs the receipt with a clipboard to mark it off, they never touch it. They all wear gloves too.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/washington-state-costco-employees-infected-covid-19

Quote
All 145 people that tested positive are currently quarantining, the health department announced in an updated news release Tuesday. The store will also continue to provide ongoing site-wide testing for its employees as it monitors the outbreak.
..............
Last week, the Yakima Health District announced it was working with the wholesale club to investigate the outbreak after at least 68 employees tested positive right before Christmas.
I am curious if this was something deliberate that spread it to a bunch of employees.  In the back of my mind I also consider if some batches of the tests are faulty.  No mention of how many showed symptoms. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 01, 2021, 08:19:41 AM
NYC vs Wuhan on New Year's Eve:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/31/we-are-being-played-new-years-eve-scene-in-nycs-times-square-looks-very-different-from-wuhan-china/

I guess China is celebrating how well the bioweapon beta test went. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on January 01, 2021, 09:41:06 AM
China has pretty much beat the virus, from my understanding.

They did it by being a totalitarian government and enforcing (actually enforcing, with cops and guns, unlike us) measures that would not fly here, but they did it. 

One of the tech folks I follow on Twitter has been reporting on the virus in Shenzhen (where she lives) and there's been no community spread there for months.

They (the CCP) could be lying, but on this one I don't think so.  The combination of very powerful central government  with no opposition party, a ton of enforcement people on the ground, and a culture that is likely to follow any rules put out with little dissent means their shotgun, do everything approach to stopping the spread was likely pretty effective.

Which is why Wuhan has a big party (with everyone still wearing masks, and the US doesn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 01, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
Do they have herd immunity via vaccine or sufficient recovered cases?

If not, and assuming you can believe their government, neither they nor the Australians, nor the New Zealanders have “beat” the virus despite having very few reported cases or little community spread, because the moment they let their guard down it will spread again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 01, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
Within a week after Jan 20 Covid will cease to be front page news
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on January 01, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: WLJ on January 01, 2021, 11:49:34 AM
Within a week after Jan 20 Covid will cease to be front page news

I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did.  And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down.  I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now.  It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 01, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on January 01, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did.  And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down.  I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now.  It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest.  

Trump is still president, got to keep reminding the masses how many people are dying on Trump's watch.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on January 01, 2021, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on December 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
... and here we go.  COVID-19, the sequel:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-variant-found-colorado/73-ac654aef-16f8-4121-99f0-fe009324d7fd



The goal posts needed to be moved because the Covid 19 is not so much a headline grabber. I call it "Goal Posting."

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on January 01, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on January 01, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did.  And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down.  I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now.  It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest.

I'd bet the climate change will be the next justification for lock downs.  The COVID lock downs have provided a great test run.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on January 01, 2021, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on January 01, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
I thought for sure that would be the case after the election, assuming Biden “won”, which he did.  And yet, if anything, they’re doubling down.  I’m not sure they’ll ever really let go now.  It might not be COVID forever, but they’ll find something else to keep up the restrictions over for as long as they deem it in their political interest. 

I think the plan is to hammer it now so that the healing magically starts Jan 20.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 01, 2021, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on January 01, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
I'd bet the climate change will be the next justification for lock downs.  The COVID lock downs have provided a great test run.

"Look at how much better everything is now that the awful proles can't move, let's keep it like this forever!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 02, 2021, 07:29:39 AM
"Climate change will be the next lock down..."

There are politicians in Europe who are calling for exactly that... a massive, and endless, lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 05, 2021, 06:43:50 PM
https://www.zdnet.com/article/singapore-police-can-access-covid-19-contact-tracing-data-for-criminal-investigations/

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Singapore has confirmed its law enforcers will be able to access the country's COVID-19 contact tracing data to aid in their criminal investigations. To date, more than 4.2 million residents or 78% of the local population have adopted the TraceTogether contact tracing app and wearable token, which is one of the world's highest penetration rates.

Coming soon to the U.S.?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 09:47:09 AM
So my brother heard from a DPS (state police) Officer he knows who told him to expect another run on grocery store stuff in early February as there will be a Federal lock down coming. 

Anyone heard anything similar?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on January 07, 2021, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 09:47:09 AM
So my brother heard from a DPS (state police) Officer he knows who told him to expect another run on grocery store stuff in early February as there will be a Federal lock down coming. 

Anyone heard anything similar?

No.  Last I heard Biden himself had admitted that the feds didn't have the authority to order a nationwide lockdown, and the most he could do was call each governor and ask, or try to make a deal.

And that was in Oct/Nov. He's backed off even the "call the states and request a lockdown" plan since the election, although depending on how the Holiday case surge looks, I guess he could go back to it.

I'm not sure how the feds would even try to enforce that without the state govs helping, and a bunch of governors have openly said they wouldn't. He could try to call out the .mil, but that might not go how he thinks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 07, 2021, 11:50:21 AM
I agree with dogmush.

He'll push his 100 days of masks, then ride the wave of the vaccine to prove how he stopped Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 11:52:15 AM
Based on what we hear from county and state health, I would not be surprised if .gov is mobilized for mass vaccination events.  In a whole lot of areas of the country, there is not sufficient healthcare capacity (hospital, clinic, pharmacy) to do mass events.  A major factor affecting vaccination throughput is the recommendation that patients wait and be observed for 15-30 minutes after the vaccination to look for an allergic reaction that may need emergent treatment.  That means you need a place to park the patients and watch them. In our system, we have been running simulations showing that if we are going 15 hours per day, six days a week, it will take upwards of 10 months to vaccinate a county of 450,000.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 07, 2021, 12:03:06 PM
I vaguely remember mass vaccinations when I was a small child; in the mid- to late-60's.  Smallpox or polio, I don't remember which but I think it was smallpox.  They ran us through pretty quickly in long lines, using some kind of needleless injector.  No observation afterwards; I guess if you had an allergic reaction your parents brought you back or took you to the emergency room, or you died.

They could do something similar but a little less barbaric in public schools; do whole classes at a time with the teachers watching for reactions and paramedics standing by.  1000 kids in a few hours.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on January 07, 2021, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on January 07, 2021, 12:03:06 PM
I vaguely remember mass vaccinations when I was a small child; in the mid- to late-60's.  Smallpox or polio, I don't remember which but I think it was smallpox.  They ran us through pretty quickly in long lines, using some kind of needleless injector.  No observation afterwards; I guess if you had an allergic reaction your parents brought you back or took you to the emergency room, or you died.

They could do something similar but a little less barbaric in public schools; do whole classes at a time with the teachers watching for reactions and paramedics standing by.  1000 kids in a few hours.

I remember being herded into the gym for a sugar cube with a pink area on it, that was my polio vaccine. Smallpox I vaguely remember, the needle or what ever they used was dipped into the vaccine and then you got multiple pricks to your upper arm. I was living in the Territory of Alaska during both of these vaccine programs.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 07, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Still have the scar from the smallpox vaccine and vaguely remember the polio vaccine.
I also have "fond" memories of the boot camp inoculation gauntlets with the pneumatic injections.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 07, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
Is there a TB vaccine?  That might have been the one with the pneumatic injector as fast as they could process us.  I'm pretty sure it was in an early grade at elementary school.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 07, 2021, 01:26:44 PM
I remember getting a "TB tine test" in school but I don't remember getting any TB vaccine though there are a whole bunch of vacines I've had that I can't detail.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
There is a TB vaccine, BCG, but it is not widely used in the USA, except for select high-risk groups.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/topic/basics/vaccines.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 02:23:16 PM

New, more contagious coronavirus strain identified in Indiana
https://www.wdrb.com/news/new-more-contagious-coronavirus-strain-identified-in-indiana/article_e2aa0eb4-542d-11eb-b189-c77091d2e07f.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 11, 2021, 02:35:57 PM
Program I work for just shut down all but critical mission travel to Southern California.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 11, 2021, 03:09:04 PM
The Veterans Administration has apparently completed vaccinating the staff at VA hospitals. I received a call on Friday offering me the chance to come in on Saturday or Sunday for the first shot in the series, if I wanted the vaccine. I hesitated about a nanosecond, and made an appointment for Saturday afternoon.

The procedure was very regimented -- they had an assembly line going. This wasn't like the flu shot, where you just walk in, get stuck, and walk out. There was an intake interview, then we got the shot, then they made everyone wait for 15 minutes before we were allowed to leave. Nobody passed out while I was there. It's now 48 hours for me since I got the shot. No nausea so far. My only side effect is that the left arm, where they injected me, feels weak and "tired."

They also gave us a follow-up report sheet, which we're supposed to bring back when we go in for the second shot in three weeks. The hand-out made clear that there is no "approved" vaccine for COVID-19. This vaccine is under "emergency authorization," which is different from "approval." And, given the nature of the follow-up sheet, it's clear that I am part of the beta test group. I don't know if the VA is offering the vaccine to all their patients, or if I got the call because of the number of high risk boxes I tick.

FWIW, the vaccine I was given is the Pfizer version.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 11, 2021, 05:28:55 PM
Maybe you should take an "opinion" test now then take it again later to see if the new machines in your brain affect you very much. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 12, 2021, 07:49:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0nvqc9B/covid.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CXGjocV.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on January 12, 2021, 11:56:03 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on January 12, 2021, 07:49:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0nvqc9B/covid.jpg)


I guess they can go pro with the NHL* now.  =|

bob

*National Handjob League
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2021, 04:05:43 PM
So I guess the biggest dem lockdown dictators now want their cities open for business ASAP, or more precisely, to coincidentally line up date-wise with a certain swearing in.

"The covid is gone! It's a democrat miracle!"

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/14/what-timing-chicago-mayor-wants-chat-with-states-governor-after-noticing-unintended-shutdown-consequences/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 14, 2021, 06:35:21 PM
One year ago today:

https://twitter.com/ellencarmichael/status/1349831136512503808

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on January 15, 2021, 04:45:51 PM
I still haven't caught it, to my knowledge.
My GF is getting her 2nd round of Pfizer vaccine today, not ill effects from it so far.
This week, I found out what a rated order was, and so did our suppliers: https://www.fema.gov/disasters/defense-production-act/information-contractors-about-priority-rated-orders

The chemical/pharmaceutical supply chain has been given priority for vaccine production.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 16, 2021, 12:38:20 PM
Stay away from Chinese ice cream:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-ice-cream-contaminated-covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on January 16, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on January 16, 2021, 12:38:20 PM
Stay away from Chinese ice cream:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-ice-cream-contaminated-covid-19


Are they trying to infect Pelosi?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2021, 12:45:51 PM
In other news, all the toxic waste in China mysteriously starts disappearing. Dems are calling it the China miracle and proof that China is smarter than us
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 16, 2021, 02:28:43 PM
Hmm. It might be that after 21JAN it will be acceptable to talk about human origins of the CCP virus as something other than conspiracy theories.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/16/cbs-news-catherine-herridge-shares-latest-on-what-state-dept-has-reason-to-believe-about-covid-19-origin/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Guess this belongs here

Man, 38, sparks mass evacuation and armed response at Germany's Frankfurt International Airport when he shouts ‘I will kill you all, Allahu Akbar’ after police confronted him for not wearing a mask
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9155077/Police-shoot-gunman-Germanys-Frankfurt-International-Airport.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
China virus is serious! Wear your mask! Grandma is dying! Oh, but the way, we're taking Monday off.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/17/the-dodger-stadium-covid-19-vaccination-site-will-be-closed-on-monday-for-mlk-day/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 17, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I am getting my first Pfizer COVID immune tomorrow.  We are now into giving the second immune at three weeks, and our sick calls have gone up significantly after the second immune. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2021, 09:29:04 AM
Interesting: Just heard on Fox Business that the only major economy to show significant growth last year in the throes of the pandemic was... China.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on January 18, 2021, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 18, 2021, 09:29:04 AM
Interesting: Just heard on Fox Business that the only major economy to show significant growth last year in the throes of the pandemic was... China.

Oh gee that’s a shock. The nation that is waging barely concealed biological warfare is the one to benefit.

I promise you they have a much worse virus ready to go that is modeled on the Kung Flu. Can’t wait till they release that one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 18, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
When shopping earlier. Store had a rent-a-cop. He reminded me to put on my mask. Fine.
 
"Hey, you know those customers you get, they walk in the door, and you can smell that dank weed they just smoked in the car?"
 
"Yeah."
 
"That mask ain't doing a darn thing."
 
"Huh?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 18, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on January 18, 2021, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on January 18, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
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Amusingly, i just read a study that suggests Dunning-Kruger was likely mistaking noise for trends.

So, they had a high opinion of their own ability....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on January 20, 2021, 06:35:38 PM
Biden the hero.

Get ready for Kung flu cases to drop big time. For some reason starting today you have to be presenting symptoms and test positive twice to have covid.

If this doesn't answer the deep state question for some of you I don't know what will.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on January 20, 2021, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on January 20, 2021, 06:35:38 PM

Get ready for Kung flu cases to drop big time. For some reason starting today you have to be presenting symptoms and test positive twice to have covid.

Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 20, 2021, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on January 20, 2021, 07:26:27 PM
Where did you hear that?

I think it's just a prediction.  (but you heard it here first!)   :lol:

My wife watches the reported cases numbers reported by the county every day.  She gets annoyed when I ask her what exactly a "reported case" is.  ;)  Today there was no report; perhaps they are rewriting the metrics?  I expect a sharp downturn in the very near future.  Don't know if it'll be tomorrow or if they'll wait a week to allow our wonderful new leader's policies a chance to take effect.  I'm kind of expecting the downturn to start tomorrow and rapidly accelerate, but we'll never know what exactly the numbers mean because that's a closely guarded secret and therefore subject to change.

I do believe the healthcare professionals are doing the best they can and are doing a pretty good job having been dealt a bad hand.  But I also think the numbers are being manipulated for political reasons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on January 20, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
Where? WHO.

Also today Amazon told Biden we can help get the vaccine out there for you. Was this a sudden thing they realized?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 20, 2021, 11:48:08 PM
It won't be easy, as I generally don't talk to people, but there are some people I'd like to talk to about whether they are getting the Trump vaccine.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on January 21, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
8000 Americans have died under Biden. On his first day. What a tragedy.

Oh wait we aren’t holding him to the same ridiculous standards? My mistake.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 21, 2021, 10:24:50 AM
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CNN
@CNN
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Newly sworn in President Joe Biden and his advisers are inheriting no coronavirus vaccine distribution plan to speak of from the Trump administration, sources tell CNN, posing a significant challenge for the new White House.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1352209350224441344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1352209350224441344%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2021%2F01%2F21%2Fcannot-emphasize-enough-how-bad-this-reporting-is-cnn-claims-biden-inherited-no-plan-for-vaccinations-and-yeah-thats-bs%2F

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/BS%20meter/.highres/bovineexcrement-meter-0_zps862445b8.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 21, 2021, 10:44:21 AM
We are on the state Department of Health conference call every day to find out how much vaccine will be allocated and shipped to Washington state and then cascaded out to the individual counties.  There is just not much vaccine out there.  We are now vaccinating our healthcare workers with low patient contact (such as myself), and we are not sure if we will receive enough vaccine for the second dose.  In my case, I should receive my second dose around February 5th or so but we don't have any guarantees of a vaccine supply and have not even scheduled the vaccination clinics for that date until we hear about a supply.

I am not sure what the Feds can do about this, since we hear that the Pfizer and Moderna plants are already running 24/7 and are at maximum output.  There is no Federal stockpile or reserve that can be drawn upon. Probably the biggest help will be as additional vaccines (Johnson and Johnson, etc.) get emergency approval and come on line.  And of course other countries are complaining about their vaccine supply as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on January 21, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
Seems to me the feds have a vested interest in delaying the resolution of this pandemic.  Those of an unscrupulous nature might take advantage of the chaos, fear, and increasing desperation of the populace to exert control . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 21, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
China is back to forcibly evacuating villages:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-epidemic-ravaging-northeast-china-villages-evacuated-livestock-and-crops-left-behind_3665342.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 21, 2021, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 21, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
China is back to forcibly evacuating villages:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-epidemic-ravaging-northeast-china-villages-evacuated-livestock-and-crops-left-behind_3665342.html

93% peacefully of course
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 21, 2021, 11:38:12 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/140929148_3438779462917376_4957529093420984637_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=FhSTLp8XJ_EAX87hCEm&_nc_oc=AQmNwmWWQvgvgBT1isxc4ZrPHoqjzvWF0qT8w3ZyRV3bzE-_2FsdATd0FQH6oC3XdMA&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=871d90bde5ed683a9af94620a17b4a3b&oe=602F89A0)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on January 21, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 21, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
China is back to forcibly evacuating villages:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-epidemic-ravaging-northeast-china-villages-evacuated-livestock-and-crops-left-behind_3665342.html

B-b-b-b-but I thought the wise & wonderful Chinese  had successfully stopped THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN- - - - - - oooops,  I mean the even worse Covid19 virus ..... ???   [tinfoil]   ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 21, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
What was it someone predicted about the numbers falling after Biden became President?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/right-cue-biden-who-admits-high-cycle-pcr-tests-produce-massive-covid-false-positives
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 21, 2021, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 21, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
What was it someone predicted about the numbers falling after Biden became President?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/right-cue-biden-who-admits-high-cycle-pcr-tests-produce-massive-covid-false-positives

No more indoor dining bans in DC either.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/01/21/dc-mayor-muriel-bowser-lifting-indoor-dining-ban-is-just-a-miracle-of-timing-and-not-at-all-evidence-that-covid-lockdowns-were-political-theater/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 21, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
Hoo, boy! The fix is in.

For months I have been tracking the COVID-19 numbers reported by my state, and keeping track of when the reported totals don't match the state's own numbers as provided in the governor's daily updates. But my state doesn't report active cases or recoveries so, for those numbers, I have been going to the global CV-19 web site at https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I have had free and unfettered access to this site, from early May (when I first learned of it) right up through yesterday evening. I just tried to call it up for today's numbers, and suddenly I get booted out to a log-in screen that tells me that I have to have an ArcGIS account to sign in.

I'm sure this is just a coincidence.


[Update] I was able to access the same map through a different URL: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on January 21, 2021, 10:55:56 PM
As a child, my parents exposed my brother and me to neighbor's kids that had the "mumps" but neither of us ever got them.  This was before the MMR vaccine was developed.
I did get both the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines as a child, but, other than a couple of tetanus vaccine shots for injuries, I have never had a "prophylactic" vaccine such as a flu shot.  I have also never had the flu.  I have no intention of getting this vaccine for a variety of reasons, including the growing number of reports of "incidents" that are causing harm to recipients.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 22, 2021, 12:06:32 AM
I remember mom taking us to visit friends that had chicken pox.  I think she did the same with measles and my older sister brought the mumps home from school.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 22, 2021, 12:08:06 AM
Looks like canning supplies will be the toilet paper of 2021.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
Where is the MSM outrage?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-bigger-issues-mask-mandate-psaki
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
Oh oh - The NYT went on another dangerous expedition outside of NYC.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/22/ny-times-writer-shaken-by-what-he-saw-during-1600-mile-drive-through-middle-america/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on January 22, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 22, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
Oh oh - The NYT went on another dangerous expedition outside of NYC.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/22/ny-times-writer-shaken-by-what-he-saw-during-1600-mile-drive-through-middle-america/

And we have our first contender for the “Biggest Pussy of 2021”. He better hope he never contracts Corona or it will definitely kill his little bitch self.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 22, 2021, 11:34:37 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on January 22, 2021, 11:57:30 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on January 22, 2021, 11:34:37 PM
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Ain't THAT the truth!!!!  :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2021, 07:54:13 AM
Biden says "There's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic." That statement is cool with the MSM. I'm sure that wouldn't have been the case if a certain other person said it four days ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-nothing-we-can-do-to-change-coronavirus-pandemic-trajectory-in-coming-months


ETA: I just now saw on the teevee, that one of the biggest motivators for people voting for Biden was that he would immediately take care of the China virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2021, 08:46:14 AM
A little Sat morning tinfoil hattery  [tinfoil]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. questions if there’s a link between Hank Aaron’s death and the COVID-19 vaccine
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/22/robert-f-kennedy-jr-questions-if-theres-a-link-between-hank-aarons-death-and-the-covid-19-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on January 23, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 23, 2021, 07:54:13 AM
Biden says "There's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic." That statement is cool with the MSM. I'm sure that wouldn't have been the case if a certain other person said it four days ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-nothing-we-can-do-to-change-coronavirus-pandemic-trajectory-in-coming-months


ETA: I just now saw on the teevee, that one of the biggest motivators for people voting for Biden was that he would immediately take care of the China virus.

 :facepalm:  We have truly become a nation of the   STUPID :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 23, 2021, 12:17:22 PM
^^^I still ponder this, and will be interested to see the political science opinions in years to come, but I think that but for the virus, Trump would have been re-elected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on January 23, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on January 23, 2021, 12:17:22 PM
^^^I still ponder this, and will be interested to see the political science opinions in years to come, but I think that but for the virus, Trump would have been re-elected.

The Dems would also not have had the easy fraud avenue of mass mail in ballots
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 23, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on January 23, 2021, 12:17:22 PM
^^^I still ponder this, and will be interested to see the political science opinions in years to come, but I think that but for the virus, Trump would have been re-elected.

I think that's absolutely the case. The economy was going gangbusters under Trump. The Democrats needed the shutdowns to wreck the economy so they could derail the Trump train. And the bastards were willing to wreck the economy of the entire country, and put millions of people out of work, so they could get Trump out of office.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2021, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 23, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
I think that's absolutely the case. The economy was going gangbusters under Trump. The Democrats needed the shutdowns to wreck the economy so they could derail the Trump train. And the bastards were willing to wreck the economy of the entire country, and put millions of people out of work, so they could get Trump out of office.

Well, the blue states that said dining=death are opening back up for business now that Biden is in charge.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/23/so-much-sciencing-illinois-governors-green-light-for-restaurants-and-bars-marks-another-timing-miracle/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on January 23, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
Then add in the upset dems that were told over and over they would get $2000 checks as soon as they won the senate runoffs.

Now they are going on like "$1400 at some point? That's not what we were promised."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on January 24, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on January 23, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
Then add in the upset dems that were told over and over they would get $2000 checks as soon as they won the senate runoffs.

Now they are going on like "$1400 at some point? That's not what we were promised."

Since when have most politicians (but especially dems) kept their promises??  ??? ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on January 24, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
Since when have most politicians (but especially dems) kept their promises??  ??? ;/

Hitler: Give me five years and you will not recognize Germany
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on January 24, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: WLJ on January 24, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
Hitler: Give me five years and you will not recognize Germany.

And have you noticed how the Germans have been increasing their "military readiness" for the last 10 years?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on January 24, 2021, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on January 24, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
And have you noticed how the Germans have been increasing their "military readiness" for the last 10 years?

In the right context,  that's awesome.

Under Merkel?  No good will come of it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 25, 2021, 01:19:14 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on January 24, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
And have you noticed how the Germans have been increasing their "military readiness" for the last 10 years?

Didn't Poland buy the last of the German Leopard 2A6's five years ago?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 25, 2021, 02:21:38 AM
Quote from: WLJ on January 23, 2021, 08:46:14 AM
A little Sat morning tinfoil hattery  [tinfoil]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. questions if there’s a link between Hank Aaron’s death and the COVID-19 vaccine
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/22/robert-f-kennedy-jr-questions-if-theres-a-link-between-hank-aarons-death-and-the-covid-19-vaccine/

Of course there's a link. Both involved Hank Aaron.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 25, 2021, 08:10:37 AM
Add California to the blue states where the virus is suddenly after 20JAN not so serious anymore. Hooray science!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/newsom-expected-to-lift-californias-stay-at-home-order-reports
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 25, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/24/health/fauci-trump-covid.html

Dr. Fauci describes working with the Trump Administration.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on January 25, 2021, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 25, 2021, 08:10:37 AM
Add California to the blue states where the virus is suddenly after 20JAN not so serious anymore. Hooray science!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/newsom-expected-to-lift-californias-stay-at-home-order-reports

Let no BS science go to waste.  :old:  :facepalm:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on January 25, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tr0NEXn.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on January 25, 2021, 10:38:54 PM
See the difference two days can make? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on January 26, 2021, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on January 25, 2021, 10:38:54 PM
See the difference two days can make? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [tinfoil]

Huzzah we're saved!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 26, 2021, 11:52:30 PM
For months, I've been checking this county's plague stats at the county's official website: https://stlcorona.com/resources/covid-19-statistics/

I recently noticed how similar the green, death graph numbers look for April-May, compared to Nov.-December. I decided to add up all those daily numbers, and compare the two. It turns out the second wave of deaths was about 16% worse than the first (608 vs 524). While I haven't run the numbers, the rate of positive results (per total number of tests) peaked in April, and shot up again to similar figures in November.

One graph that shows a big difference is the one showing the number of new cases each day, which is much higher for that second period. But of course, that's known new cases per day. Testing was minimal in that first wave, compared to the second. (Click on the tab for "Results by Date.")

The likely explanation, it seems to me, is that none (or very few) of the measures being taken are making much of a difference. Significantly, at least for me, most stores here weren't enforcing a mask policy until about the first of July. They mostly had one, but they didn't accost you as you came in the door, like many of them do now. Our numbers went up slightly, just before that date. They've gone up much, much, further since. For what that's worth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 27, 2021, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 22, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
Oh oh - The NYT went on another dangerous expedition outside of NYC.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/22/ny-times-writer-shaken-by-what-he-saw-during-1600-mile-drive-through-middle-america/


Quote
Millions of Americans have decided they would prefer more Covid — for their communities and potentially for their families and themselves — to more masks.

Thank God. Thought I was all alone out here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 27, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
The big local liberal rag here, up until 20JAN, was throwing out "more cases than ever!!!!!" headlines. They started being less ZOMG on 21JAN already, and this morning, just a week later, they are reporting that January numbers are only 30% of those in December. That's some interesting math there. I guess some people ended up having reverse cases to cancel out the "we're all going to die" numbers for the first 20 days of the month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 27, 2021, 09:05:15 AM
I don't have kids in school, so don't have a big dog in this fight, but I guess since I still pay taxes for schools, I have a little dog in this fight. This article got me to thinking. Schools in many places have been closed a really long time now, and it seems it should become a tax issue at some point. If we're just doing remote learning, why are we all paying taxes for upkeep for physical infrastructure, heating and cooling empty classrooms, admin people not needed in a virtual learning environment, etc.

I wonder if there is a legal option to sue regarding the taxes? If nothing else, threat of funds being cut might motivate some school districts.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/27/open-the-freaking-schools-this-dad-has-had-enough-blasts-school-board-members-over-remote-learning/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 27, 2021, 10:06:01 AM
You can go ahead and stick your covid right up your ass.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/27/good-news-china-has-a-new-covid-19-test-thats-more-accurate-but-you-wont-like-where-they-put-the-swab/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
Plenty of folks in the USA are ready and willing to bend end over and take whatever the "experts" recommend.

How dare you question us sticking it in your bum! Why do you hate science!

The woke will return for weekly and then daily penetrations to prove their love of humanity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2021, 10:23:40 AM
Everyone will be sporting stickers like the "I Voted" stickers.

It will be an image of a sphincter with the words "I proved my love" above the image.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on January 27, 2021, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 27, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
The big local liberal rag here, up until 20JAN, was throwing out "more cases than ever!!!!!" headlines. They started being less ZOMG on 21JAN already, and this morning, just a week later, they are reporting that January numbers are only 30% of those in December. That's some interesting math there. I guess some people ended up having reverse cases to cancel out the "we're all going to die" numbers for the first 20 days of the month.

Dominion was used to tabulate the results.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on January 27, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 27, 2021, 09:05:15 AM
I don't have kids in school,

Well, none you are aware of.  ;)  :angel:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on January 27, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on January 27, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Well, none you are aware of.  ;)  :angel:

Gotta have sex to have children.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 27, 2021, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: charby on January 27, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
Gotta have sex with a biological female to have children.  [popcorn]

FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 27, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on January 27, 2021, 12:24:12 PM
FTFY
Bigot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on January 27, 2021, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Ron on January 27, 2021, 10:23:40 AM
Everyone will be sporting stickers like the "I Voted" stickers.

It will be an image of a sphincter with the words "I proved my love" above the image.

I can mod this if ya like: https://herohog.com/images/awards/aotw.jpg
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on January 27, 2021, 03:16:18 PM
Biden is floating the idea of requiring COVID testing for all US airline passengers.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-considers-mandatory-covid-19-tests-for-domestic-air-travel-official-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 27, 2021, 05:13:08 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on January 27, 2021, 03:16:18 PM
Biden is floating the idea of requiring COVID testing for all US airline passengers.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-considers-mandatory-covid-19-tests-for-domestic-air-travel-official-says
That must go with this news.  Perfect for the TSA.

China Deploys Anal Swab Tests To Detect High-Risk Covid-19 Cases
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/27/china-deploys-anal-swab-tests-to-detect-high-risk-covid-19-cases/?sh=632756536e81
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2021, 09:34:06 AM
Interesting: Israel apparently has the highest vaccination rate in the world, but are seeing a surge in new cases based on mutations of the virus:

Quote
Israel is now leading the world in having the most people inoculated against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus per capita, with currently more than 30 percent of the countries’ population having administered at least their first COVID-19 vaccine dose, amounting to over 2.8 million of its 9.3 million citizens.

The fight seems long from over, however, as the Middle Eastern country is reporting a surge of the more infectious variants currently overwhelming its hospitals.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/updates-on-ccp-virus-personal-data-stolen-from-dutch-track-and-trace-program_3677145.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 30, 2021, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 30, 2021, 09:34:06 AM
Interesting: Israel apparently has the highest vaccination rate in the world, but are seeing a surge in new cases based on mutations of the virus:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/updates-on-ccp-virus-personal-data-stolen-from-dutch-track-and-trace-program_3677145.html

Well, back to calling it the Trump vaccine since it's apparently not working
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 02, 2021, 08:44:22 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-dr-anthony-fauci-advise-wearing-two-masks-then-reverse-course-1565961
Quote
"There are many people who feel you know, if you really wanna have an extra little bit of protection, maybe I should put two masks on. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's no data that indicates that that is gonna make a difference and that's the reason why the CDC has not changed their recommendations," Fauci said.

I heard on the radio there were people objecting to wearing multiple masks due to the increase of bypassing air around the mask(s), but I can't find any links right now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 02, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Is there a mask out there that still works if you find you have a boot stomping on your face forever?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: Ron on February 02, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Is there a mask out there that still works if you find you have a boot stomping on your face forever?

I'd post a photo of a Guy Fawkes mask, but it didn't work out for him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on February 02, 2021, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Ron on February 02, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Is there a mask out there that still works if you find you have a boot stomping on your face forever?

nope

(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/143978844_10118899157927834_628836967643173747_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=IBZWI8a-XKwAX8-N0kI&_nc_ht=scontent.flas1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=841efad7e12754b1a16f348265262cc8&oe=60406B56)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 02, 2021, 11:39:38 AM
Mo is betta
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on February 02, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
I got the vaccine yesterday (Pfizer version). Feel fine, except the tickle when I walk past 5G transmitters. GF said the tickle goes away in a week when the nanowires get fully integrated with my neurons. She said that’s about the time that I’ll also get the Autism.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 02, 2021, 11:55:23 AM
"She said that’s about the time that I’ll also get the Autism."

Generally can't get what you already have...  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2021, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 02, 2021, 11:55:23 AM
"She said that’s about the time that I’ll also get the Autism."

Generally can't get what you already have...  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Double Secret Autism
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 02, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 27, 2021, 05:13:08 PM
That must go with this news.  Perfect for the TSA.

China Deploys Anal Swab Tests To Detect High-Risk Covid-19 Cases
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/27/china-deploys-anal-swab-tests-to-detect-high-risk-covid-19-cases/?sh=632756536e81

(https://i.redd.it/ggbgtop4yve61.jpg)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on February 02, 2021, 10:27:13 PM
Eyes - just make sure you have eaten a good amount of whatever food gives you "gas" (onions, broccoli, beans, etc.) so you can "let fly when they poke you with that swab.  >:D >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on February 02, 2021, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on February 02, 2021, 10:27:13 PM
Eyes - just make sure you have eaten a good amount of whatever food gives you "gas" (onions, broccoli, beans, etc.) so you can "let fly when they poke you with that swab.  >:D >:D

If that's the best you can manage for a mandatory anal swab I can't help you..
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 02, 2021, 10:51:32 PM
Gas station sushi.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 04, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
John Hopkins University and WHO (https://disrn.com/news/data-shows-covid-19-infection-rates-are-in-free-fall-around-the-world) have confirmed that the election of Joe Biden has saved the world from Trump's COVID-19.  Infection rates are plummeting worldwide.  Those of us that can still breathe can all breathe a huge sigh of relief.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
Just saw a guy wearing one of these.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/860720900/single-layer-mesh-face-mask-sheer?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_all&utm_custom1=_k_df831cb2b95b1d6775757cafc41e499c_k_&utm_content=bing_319339185_1304020917004184_81501327774781_pla-4585100928622219:pla-4585100928622219_m__860720900&utm_custom2=319339185

It just looked like a black mask. You had to look closely to see that it was, um, not 100% effective.

May his tribe increase.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2021, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
Just saw a guy wearing one of these.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/860720900/single-layer-mesh-face-mask-sheer?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_all&utm_custom1=_k_df831cb2b95b1d6775757cafc41e499c_k_&utm_content=bing_319339185_1304020917004184_81501327774781_pla-4585100928622219:pla-4585100928622219_m__860720900&utm_custom2=319339185

It just looked like a black mask. You had to look closely to see that it was, um, not 100% effective.

May his tribe increase.

Bet he drives a Prius
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
^^^When we have people wearing these masks come to our entry control points at the hospital, we offer them a surgical mask instead.  If they refuse, we refuse entry and they can go elsewhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2021, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
^^^When we have people wearing these masks come to our entry control points at the hospital, we offer them a surgical mask instead.  If they refuse, we refuse entry and they can go elsewhere.

Cool story, Karen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 01:32:38 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2021, 01:22:43 PM
Cool story, Karen.

And the complaints of the whiny little bitches are music to my ears.

ETA: I am referring to the patients, not Fistful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 05, 2021, 01:40:12 PM
During Pandemic, China Sent Millions of Counterfeit Masks, Test Kits to US


https://www.theepochtimes.com/during-pandemic-china-sent-millions-of-counterfeit-masks-test-kits-to-us-customs-data_3686127.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-02-05-1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 05, 2021, 04:07:05 PM
So now teachers want a "classroom monitor" to be in the physical classroom with the kids while the teachers continue to teach online?!?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/02/05/school-choice-now-some-school-districts-paying-monitors-big-bucks-to-watch-kids-so-fully-vaccinated-teachers-can-teach-from-home/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 05, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Newest research is apparently that if you've had the bioweapon, only get one dose of mRNA vaccine, not two.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/people-who-recovered-from-covid-19-should-receive-only-1-dose-of-vaccine-study_3685032.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 05, 2021, 05:52:12 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
^^^When we have people wearing these masks come to our entry control points at the hospital, we offer them a surgical mask instead.  If they refuse, we refuse entry and they can go elsewhere.

What is your minimum standard on mask efficacy? Is that standard publicly posted?  Do you have a means to test all masks?  Do your own surgical masks meet that standard?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/ClothFaceCoveringsandMasks. You can start your research there. Note there have been many more supplemental rulings made to the original orders.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 05, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html)

Quote
Current guidance based on community exposure, for people exposed to people with known or suspected COVID-19 or possible COVID-19

Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)
Exposure to

Person with COVID-19 who has symptoms (in the period from 2 days before symptom onset until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation; can be laboratory-confirmed or a clinically compatible illness)

Person who has tested positive for COVID-19 (laboratory confirmed) but has not had any symptoms (in the 2 days before the date of specimen collection until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation).

Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment (PPE)

So masks do nothing to stop the actual tracked and studied positive transmission of covid in caregivers dealing with actual covid patients.

Better wear two.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 05, 2021, 08:00:46 PM
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Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)
Exposure to

I wasn't within 6 feet for 15 minutes or more of anyone when I caught the bioweapon. Not even more than 1-2 minutes at most.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 05, 2021, 08:52:42 PM
KGBsquirrel, you see the logical fallacy in your post, right?

Just because masks aren't 100% effective,  that doesn't mean they do nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 05, 2021, 09:00:16 PM
The whole relying on ill fitting paper masks to protect you or others from contracting the coronadoom is just silly.

At best it contains spittle from those who are infected possibly lowering the viral load to which you are exposed.

Back when we were all completely in the dark about the virus and they were maliciously scaring the H E double L out of us I was sanguine about anything that they said would help.

The stupid paper or cloth masks are one step removed from completely useless, despite the consensus of Karens.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 05, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on February 02, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ggbgtop4yve61.jpg)

Uh oh! Does this mean we're gonna have to all wear Depends now?  :facepalm: I aint got the room inside my pants! :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 10:49:37 PM
I just read an article arguing that due to the need for global herd immunity, international travel may not recover until 2024.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 06, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 10:49:37 PM
I just read an article arguing that due to the need for global herd immunity, international travel may not recover until 2024.

Oh, really?   Do they have a crystal ball?    How many people will be vaccinated (worldwide) before then?  The Johnson and Johnson vaccine should be easy to distribute. 
There's been so much .... junk predicting going on,  I wouldn't believe it if I was told the sun would rise tomorrow morning at this point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 06, 2021, 05:59:57 AM
Quote from: Ron on February 05, 2021, 09:00:16 PM
The whole relying on ill fitting paper masks to protect you or others from contracting the coronadoom is just silly.

At best it contains spittle from those who are infected possibly lowering the viral load to which you are exposed.

Back when we were all completely in the dark about the virus and they were maliciously scaring the H E double L out of us I was sanguine about anything that they said would help.

The stupid paper or cloth masks are one step removed from completely useless, despite the consensus of Karens.

As C&SD used to say:

This post is factually challenged,
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 05, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/ClothFaceCoveringsandMasks. You can start your research there. Note there have been many more supplemental rulings made to the original orders.

I found minimum standards that employers have to meet for employees based on risk factors, but no standards for the general public.

Several of the links recommend cloth face coverings.

Since you are the SME, maybe you can tell or show us what are the minimum standards for the general public.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 06, 2021, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: dogmush on February 06, 2021, 05:59:57 AM
As C&SD used to say:

This post is factually challenged,

There are plenty of studies as well as medical professionals and researchers showing just how ineffective masks are in stopping the spread of viruses. I'm not sure they have even proved the lowering of viral load exposure, it is just assumed due to the lessoning of droplets.

Early on I managed my personal risk and my impact on others by going along to get along. We are far enough along in this "pandemic" where I've reevaluated the risks.

The corona doom has been 75% psyops and 25% pandemic IMHO.

For those who want to read a rebuttal to the globalist consensus position regarding masks, Briggs is a good place to go for an alternative look.

https://wmbriggs.com/?s=masks
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 09:53:39 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on February 06, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
Oh, really?   Do they have a crystal ball?    How many people will be vaccinated (worldwide) before then?  The Johnson and Johnson vaccine should be easy to distribute. 
There's been so much .... junk predicting going on,  I wouldn't believe it if I was told the sun would rise tomorrow morning at this point.

Here is the article: https://www.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-in-israel-vaccination-doesnt-equal-liberation-657898
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/masks/mask-travel-guidance.html

are some representative standards.  Mesh, knitted, chain mail or sequin masks do not qualify. Fistful's original posting showed a sheer mesh mask.  I suggest that you buy one, put it on, and go to your nearest local hospital, emergency room or skilled nursing facility and request entry.  Be sure to report back.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:27:07 AM
I am also on the regional flu committee, and so far this year, flu activity has been very low, although there is still a few months left in the season:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

The epidemiologists are crediting the masking/social distancing/shutdowns/flu vaccination as the probable cause for the low levels of flu activity so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:40:09 AM
Uh oh, Ben:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/05/virus-variant-reinfection-south-africa/

I sure hope the current vaccines continue to provide some degree of protection against the variants, but will further mutations require further vaccines?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:42:40 AM
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-01-29/airline-pilots-flight-errors-pandemic

Pilots are rusty due to decreased flight hours.  I wonder if they are spending more time in the simulators.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 06, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:40:09 AM
Uh oh, Ben:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/05/virus-variant-reinfection-south-africa/

I sure hope the current vaccines continue to provide some degree of protection against the variants, but will further mutations require further vaccines?

I had those thoughts early on, since right after they told me I was likely good for six months, the mutations started hitting the news. I'm still looking for research regarding severity the second (or more) time around, with or without mutation. Wondering if the first time gives me super powers to have mild symptoms, or if mutations mean it's like catching a whole new bioweapon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2021, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:42:40 AM
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-01-29/airline-pilots-flight-errors-pandemic

Pilots are rusty due to decreased flight hours.  I wonder if they are spending more time in the simulators.

No, we aren't getting more sim time.  Sims are only for required training, which happens once a year, or for the pilots who need to get landing currency.  I am flying fewer hours, but still flying a full schedule.

In addition to the required training there is a bunch of training for people getting displaced into different aircraft or seats.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
Boeing has some fancy simulator/training center down in south King County.  I have seen articles and pictures of it, and they are the full-motion full cockpit simulators on hydraulic jacks that pitch and turn.  I remember being impressed by the cost per hour charged to use the simulators, and even more impressed by the racks of the server farms necessary to run the place.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2021, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
Boeing has some fancy simulator/training center down in south King County.  I have seen articles and pictures of it, and they are the full-motion full cockpit simulators on hydraulic jacks that pitch and turn.  I remember being impressed by the cost per hour charged to use the simulators, and even more impressed by the racks of the server farms necessary to run the place.

Full motion sims are industry standard.  And yes, they are expensive to run, but much cheaper than a real airplane.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on February 06, 2021, 02:01:58 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on February 06, 2021, 11:54:59 AM
Full motion sims are industry standard.  And yes, they are expensive to run, but much cheaper than a real airplane.

If you want to experience a full motion simulator all you have to do is visit the Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum and buy a ticket for their sim. More fun than most things in the tourist trap known as Hawaii! 

https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/attractions/fighter-ace-360o-flight-simulator/


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on February 06, 2021, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: BobR on February 06, 2021, 02:01:58 PM
If you want to experience a full motion simulator all you have to do is visit the Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum and buy a ticket for their sim. More fun than most things in the tourist trap known as Hawaii! 

https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/attractions/fighter-ace-360o-flight-simulator/


bob

Very cool.  I didn't know there was anything fun at Pearl Harbor.  :/  Everyone should visit Pearl Harbor once, and bring some Kleenex when you do.

I'm too heavy for the simulator and even if I lose weight (working on it) am probably too tall to actually fit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 02:15:28 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-19-public-health-measures-blunted-flu-us-world-2021-2
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 06, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: BobR on February 06, 2021, 02:01:58 PM
If you want to experience a full motion simulator all you have to do is visit the Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum and buy a ticket for their sim. More fun than most things in the tourist trap known as Hawaii! 

https://www.pearlharboraviationmuseum.org/attractions/fighter-ace-360o-flight-simulator/


bob

The only simulator I ever got to experience at Pearl was the full motion submarine "dive and drive" simulator. Yeah, wasn't open to the public. :D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 07, 2021, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
Fistful's original posting showed a sheer mesh mask.  I suggest that you buy one, put it on, and go to your nearest local hospital, emergency room or skilled nursing facility and request entry.  Be sure to report back.

You mean a faux mask will only fool some of the people some of the time? Who knew?

So what happens if I get into a hospital wearing a "normal" mask, and then switch to the mesh one later on, when I get inside? Are they going to arrest me or something? ???

Also, the whole idea that all the masks have also kept flu numbers down - it prompts the question I've already been asking. If it's reasonable to demand that everyone wear masks everywhere, why haven't places like schools and hospitals been doing it for decades? Or why haven't teachers and nurses been wearing them as a matter of course?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 08, 2021, 12:15:47 PM
(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/064/631/382/original/fcce57301fb53176.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 08, 2021, 01:21:55 PM
Masks have always been grouped together with things like washing hands, keeping a certain distance from other people, sanitizing surfaces, etc. I guess you could throw in temperature checks.

Obviously, each area is different, but stores in St Louis County, MO, have been requiring masks since early July. Some have made people wait outside, only letting more customers in as the same number of customers left. But they don't enforce anything else. They might have hand sanitizer at the entrance, but they don't insist you use it. They might mark six-foot distances on the floor, but they don't police that, either. I don't think I've seen any places checking customers' temperatures.

What gives? Is this a local thing, or is it widespread?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 08, 2021, 01:28:28 PM
All of the local stores are posted that a mask is required, and ask that people maintain a 6' distance.

Neither of which are enforced by the stores I've gone in - sometimes wearing a mask, sometimes not.  The employees in all do wear masks.

I haven't seen one Karen since this all started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 09, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
They'll follow the trail of frozen fish sticks to the US followed by Biden apologizing to China

Whitewashing in progress? WHO investigating if Covid-19 was imported to China in frozen food
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/09/whitewashing-in-progress-who-investigating-if-covid-19-was-imported-to-china-in-frozen-food/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 09, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
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WHO rules out further investigation into Covid-19 originating from lab: 'extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus into the human population and is therefore not a hypothesis that implies future studies to support our work into understanding origin of the virus'
So that means the origin is almost certainly the lab in Wuhan. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 09, 2021, 09:17:37 AM
Quote
Liang: Covid-19 can be found in frozen food and packaging. It has been found in the cold chain, indicating that it can be carried long-distance on cold-chain products.

But is the virus found in frozen food still virulent or dangerous? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 09, 2021, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 09, 2021, 09:17:37 AM
But is the virus found in frozen food still virulent or dangerous?

This seems to be the direction that WHO is going, which opens up all kinds things that certainly could make masks much less of a priority in the greater scheme (if you buy this theory), and could certainly start another "grocery store shortage" if the MSM plays it their usual way.

Early on, those of us who pointed to the lab as the source, whether accidental or a bioweapon dry run, were and still are called crackpots. The machinations that WHO and others are going through to disprove that the virus originated in the lab are really becoming the crackpot theories. They are creating a practically Rube Goldberg chains of events to target some source other than the lab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 09, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 08, 2021, 01:21:55 PM

What gives? Is this a local thing, or is it widespread?

Both, neither, and a bunch of other stuff. Even regionally you can see wide variation. Some current stuff that i have experienced:

My small town is still doing the same as when this started a year ago. Practically no one ever wears masks, everyone goes on about their business, people shake hands when they meet, etc. No die outs of the population, including the elderly.

I'm taking a "farming for dummies" class at the university extension. The first night, because the syllabus said "masks required", we all showed up in them. Then someone asked what their enforcement deal was. The instructors said they just have to tell people, but they can't force anyone to wear one. Every single person in the class took off their mask, and we are a packed class. Certainly if this was a day class at the university itself versus an extension classroom, I suspect there would have been enforcement. Around half the class announced they had already tested positive for the virus.

Just so I don't come off as anti-mask biased, last night in class the substitute instructor said that the regular instructor would be off for a couple of weeks because she had just had a miscarriage. Her second one in a year. Correlation is not causation, but some might argue the possibility of the instructor having asymptomatic covid that affected the baby. Though that seems to potentially apply to only one miscarriage if there is any kind of months long immunity after catching the virus.

Lastly, Costco is one of the few places in the region (outside of Boise, where the mayor has a mask mandate) that is militant about people wearing masks when they enter. Everyone inside seems to keep them on, though there is zero social distancing in the store, and none is enforced. Except, as I found out last week, in the optics shop.

I went there to get new reading glasses. I had to stay socially distanced on the little circle until it was my turn. Then they took my temperature. Then I got to go behind the roped area. Then I had to be supervised to look at frames.  Each time I tried a frame, it was then taken and put in a "disinfecting bucket". It was a total pain, especially given that every time I tried a pair of glasses on, they fogged up and I couldn't see a thing. I was told sorry, but we can't let you remove the mask to try the glasses on (please explain restaurant dining then). I ended up holding my breath for as long as I was trying on each pair of glasses. I feel sorry for any elderly people that can't hold their breath trying to find new glasses.

Anyway, simply no rhyme or reason or standardization to anything anywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 09, 2021, 10:17:58 AM
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Ben Embarek now keeping open the possibility of coronavirus being present in 'other countries' (before Wuhan).

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Liang: Possibility of missed earlier circulation of Covid-19 in other locations. Suggesting a determination of review after global data.


Ah, so it's possible that this "deadly" virus was circulating and infecting people in other countries and just wasn't noticed before the events in Wuhan?
Yup, makes perfect sense.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 09, 2021, 10:31:21 AM
If a store requires a mask and is enforcing it then I wear a mask. If I see they aren't enforcing it then I'll typically take it off, if they don't care I don't care.

In Chicagoland Illinois there is nearly universal obedience to the governors diktat. Much looser in Indiana.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 09, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
I wonder if this is going to be a situation like HIV, in which it was discovered it was in the human population at very low levels for years before the great upsurge.  If I recall correctly, HIV was first found in a sample from 1959 from a patient in the Congo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 09, 2021, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on February 08, 2021, 12:15:47 PM
(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/064/631/382/original/fcce57301fb53176.jpg)

The guy forgot to cover his ears, the dopus! (Can't tell from the photo if he has his anus and meatus covered ...)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2021, 06:50:17 PM
As long as we're demanding that everyone follow all these rules to protect others from catching a virus that's not very dangerous to most people...

Aren't we going to completely ban alcoholic beverages, just to prevent drunk driving accidents?

Aren't we going to aggressively prosecute anyone having any kind of sex outside of marriage, to prevent STDs?

Aren't we going to outlaw pit bulls, chows, and other dogs known to be dangerous?

Aren't we going to require the law-abiding to carry firearms, for the defense of themselves and others? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 09, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2021, 06:50:17 PM
As long as we're demanding that everyone follow all these rules to protect others from catching a virus that's not very dangerous to most people...

Aren't we going to completely ban alcoholic beverages, just to prevent drunk driving accidents?

Aren't we going to aggressively prosecute anyone having any kind of sex outside of marriage, to prevent STDs?

Aren't we going to outlaw pit bulls, chows, and other dogs known to be dangerous?

Aren't we going to require the law-abiding to carry firearms, for the defense of themselves and others?

Probably.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2021, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on February 09, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Probably.

Maybe not that last one.

In fact, you can look for extracurricular sex to be mandatory, if we keep electing the crazies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 09, 2021, 07:14:07 PM
Most prudent people don't get into car crashes or motorcycle collisions.  Why the unconstitutional infringement of seatbelts and motorcycle helmets?  If these laws were done away with, thousands of lives would be saved every year since there would be more organs available for transplant into the deserving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 09, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 09, 2021, 07:14:07 PM
Most prudent people don't get into car crashes or motorcycle collisions.  Why the unconstitutional infringement of seatbelts and motorcycle helmets?  If these laws were done away with, thousands of lives would be saved every year since there would be more organs available for transplant into the deserving.

The insurance companies demanded they become laws.

There was no public outcry demanding government get involved. In fact in both cases there was a lot of grumbling from the public.

You still can go helmetless in Illinois, a helmet is not required.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 09, 2021, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Ron on February 09, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
The insurance companies demanded they become laws.

There was no public outcry demanding government get involved. In fact in both cases there was a lot of grumbling from the public.

You still can go helmetless in Illinois, a helmet is not required.

Not too long after they mandated seat belt wearing they removed the requirement for motorcycle helmets in Ky, Go figure
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2021, 08:56:12 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 09, 2021, 07:14:07 PM
Most prudent people don't get into car crashes or motorcycle collisions. 

[scratches head] You realize your prudence won't keep drunks from crossing the median to pull a Dave Matthews on you? Right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 09, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
None of this should be in the purview of the federal(feral) government.

Woody

   If the ends sought cannot be achieved through the means granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution, there is neither a need nor the power for the Federal Government to get involved.    B.E.Wood

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on February 10, 2021, 10:28:51 AM
NH does not have a seatbelt law for adults.  Only state that doesn't.

No helmet law, either.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
If it's for the "common good" it doesn't have to make sense.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2021, 03:54:03 PM
UC Berkeley Penitentiary. Geez - those are some restrictions.

Quote
University authorities said in a notice Monday that students in dorms must remain in their rooms at all times, except to seek medical care, in case of an emergency, to go the bathroom, or to get food.

“After you pick up your food, you are required to return immediately to your room,” the notice cautions, noting that students may only go out to collect food at specific times and from designated food distribution kiosks.

Students may also leave their rooms to get their mandatory, twice-per-week COVID-19 test.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/uc-berkeley-tightens-virus-lockdown-imposing-solo-exercise-ban-and-enhanced-monitoring-of-dorms_3692454.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 10, 2021, 03:59:30 PM
"Mandatory Twice per week COVID test"?  *expletive deleted*ck right off.  That's 1. annoying, 2. Not the CDC recommended testing protocol, and 3. a ridiculous waste of lab resources.

If they are that concerned, just go to virtual classes.  The FL University system figured it out, I'm sure the big brains at Berkley could as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
"I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country." - Joe Biden

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/10/biden-administration-considering-domestic-travel-restrictions-on-florida-due-to-coronavirus-mutations/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 10, 2021, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 10, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
"I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country." - Joe Biden

I forget. Was he going to cure cancer first, or Commie-virus?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 10, 2021, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 10, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
"I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country." - Joe Biden

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/10/biden-administration-considering-domestic-travel-restrictions-on-florida-due-to-coronavirus-mutations/

He must have had a flare-up of dementia;  he appears to be shutting down the country and stimulating the virus ......  [tinfoil] [popcorn]     =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 11, 2021, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on February 10, 2021, 10:54:31 PM
He must have had a flare-up of dementia;  he appears to be shutting down the country and stimulating the virus ......  [tinfoil] [popcorn]     =|

Per standard dem policy for every problem
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 12, 2021, 11:03:30 AM
This Cuomo / nursing home thing is interesting. I'm mostly seeing "Republicans pounce" articles, I guess because the MSM made him a hero with their coverage and his Emmy award and everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 12, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 12, 2021, 11:03:30 AM
This Cuomo / nursing home thing is interesting. I'm mostly seeing "Republicans pounce" articles, I guess because the MSM made him a hero with their coverage and his Emmy award and everything.
I heard it looks like they lied about the number of deaths at nursing homes.  I thought I heard the numbers were near double what they reported. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 12, 2021, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 12, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
I heard it looks like they lied about the number of deaths at nursing homes.  I thought I heard the numbers were near double what they reported.

I found it interesting that the dem NY AG (same one suing the NRA) is who pretty much blew this up. Usually the parties stick together at that level.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 12, 2021, 12:23:42 PM
^^^I wonder if the NY AG has ambitions for the governor's office.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 12, 2021, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on February 10, 2021, 10:28:51 AM
NH does not have a seatbelt law for adults.  Only state that doesn't.

No helmet law, either.

If seatbelts laws are really about safety why are they not required on school buses?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer in the efficacy of seatbelts. Just not the creeping nannyism of seatbelt laws. When they first passe them here we were promised they would not be a primary offense, on km y an add on if you got pulled over for something else. That last about a year and then it was changed to a primary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on February 12, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on February 12, 2021, 01:19:14 PM
If seatbelts laws are really about safety why are they not required on school buses?

Quote
What Is Compartmentalization?
Compartmentalization in school buses is the design concept of using tall seat backs, padded with energy-absorbing construction covering all metal parts, and spacing that is closer than typically found in passenger vehicles.

from:
https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/ (https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 13, 2021, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on February 12, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
from:
https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/ (https://www.hw-lawfirm.com/what-part-does-compartmentalization-play-in-school-bus-safety/)

I thought another reason had to do with seat belts hindering evacuation, in an emergency.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 16, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
https://gab.com/UCVM2112/posts/105736667849248484

The linked text is about putting together "teams" to protect business owners that choose to ignore certain Covid rules. Documenting law enforcement/code enforcement interactions, and possibly other forms of backlash, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
Apparently Pfizer says that the new South African variant reduces vaccine effectiveness by 2/3.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 18, 2021, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 16, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
https://gab.com/UCVM2112/posts/105736667849248484

The linked text is about putting together "teams" to protect business owners that choose to ignore certain Covid rules. Documenting law enforcement/code enforcement interactions, and possibly other forms of backlash, etc.

That poster's writing sounds like a Nigerian e-mail scam.  Or something that Google Translate spit out. 

Post is Sus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 18, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 18, 2021, 08:24:13 AM
Apparently Pfizer says that the new South African variant reduces vaccine effectiveness by 2/3.


Possibly we're going to play a sort of "cold war catch-up"  with THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - -oooops, covid19;  it mutates so we have to make a better vaccine.....then it mutates again so we need a stronger vaccine ..... and so on. [tinfoil]

*SIGH.*

So ... it's going to be like the "regular" flu;   new boosters once a year. ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on February 18, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Not that I really care to rekindle the fake statistics debates, but I recall there was some discussion awhile back about whether or not COVID would be big enough to show up in the life expectancy stats.
Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/us-life-expectancy-huge-decline-f4caaf4555563d09e927f1798136a869
Life expectancy in the United States dropped a staggering one year during the first half of 2020 as the coronavirus pandemic caused its first wave of deaths, health officials are reporting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 18, 2021, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on February 18, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Not that I really care to rekindle the fake statistics debates, but I recall there was some discussion awhile back about whether or not COVID would be big enough to show up in the life expectancy stats.

Apnews sus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2021, 09:57:58 AM
Looks like Nevada has the first reported case of the new South African variant.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/updates-on-ccp-virus-africa-deaths-near-100000-after-second-wave_3701773.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 12:33:29 PM
I just got off the weekly COVID call with County Health.  With the increase of the various variants and varying degrees of effectiveness of the current vaccines against the variants, the CDC is thinking as to if we may eventually need an annual vaccine or booster, much like the annual flu.  Interesting. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 19, 2021, 12:35:43 PM
2 decades to slow the spread.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 19, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
So when can we ditch the face diapers?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 19, 2021, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on February 19, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
So when can we ditch the face diapers?

You will learn to love your obedience muzzle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on February 19, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
So when can we ditch the face diapers?

The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated.  But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 19, 2021, 12:57:52 PM
Two generations to flatten the curve.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 19, 2021, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated.  But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.

And how long will that take?  So far they’re getting about 2% per month.  At that rate it’ll be 3years to 75%, not counting the apparent need for at least annual boosters.

Even if that speeds up a lot, it’ll still be a year+ to get there.  And if they’re going to play games with mutations resetting the goal posts, I expect mask fatigue will be huge before we get to the point they “let” us unmask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 01:26:33 PM
^^^As to that, I don't know.  I certainly hear the scuttlebutt about how the Feds and states are working to ramp up the immunization rate, but I don't know the projections. 

ETA: I just looked up the County data:  as of 2/13/2021, 18,416 second doses have been administered and are fully immunized.  Obviously, there are some people crossing county lines to get vaccine, but we have over 830,000 people in my county.  'Drop in the bucket' comes to mind.  We could be running our mass vaccination clinics every day if we had the vaccine, but we don't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 19, 2021, 02:06:01 PM
The flu vaccine they’ve been pushing for years (decades?) barely, if even, gets half the population. 

Except for HPV, which is under 40%, most vaccinations are are at 85%+, but those are also very long lasting vaccines, not annual ones.  They’re also ones that have mostly been around for VERY long times, with well known safety and efficacy.  The newer ones (meningitis and varicella) took 4 or more years to reach 75% rates in teens. 

I’m guessing that we will never reach 75%, especially if that’s a “within the last year” kind of measurement.  And TPTB know that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 02:27:28 PM
^^^In  healthcare, one of the typical quality metrics that you are graded on is pediatric immunizations: the HEDIS Combo 10 (https://www.rchsd.org/documents/2018/08/cis-childhood-immunization-status-cis.pdf/).  Depending on the demographics of your patient population and payor mix, we struggle to get above 50% of this metric.  Immunization is difficult and more difficult the more shots you have to give at different times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 19, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated.  But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.

Out of curiosity, what was the source of that clinical opinion?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 19, 2021, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 19, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Out of curiosity, what was the source of that clinical opinion?

Fauci's fourth point of contact.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 19, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Out of curiosity, what was the source of that clinical opinion?

I have read in several sources of media quoting Dr. Fauci making that statement, and I think I have read similar opinions from other public health sources.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 19, 2021, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 03:32:16 PM
I have read in several sources of media quoting Dr. Fauci making that statement, and I think I have read similar opinions from other public health sources.
Huh, I thought he had already admitted that his 70 to 75% was a manipulative lie by January.  By December he was saying 80 to 85 percent.

Quote
“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent. Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85,” he said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 19, 2021, 03:37:23 PM
Huh, I thought he had already admitted that his 70 to 75% was a manipulative lie by January.  By December he was saying 80 to 85 percent.

I knew I had seen this just recently in my Google News feed:

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/dr-fauci-keep-wearing-masks-for-several-several-months-while-vaccines-roll-out/

So he must have said this most recently a little over a week ago on 'Good Morning America'.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 19, 2021, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 03:55:39 PM
So he must have said this most recently a little over a week ago on 'Good Morning America'.
Thanks.  Given that he's already publicly admitted that he lies about that specific figure to get people to behave differently it's hard for me to put much faith in whatever his current take is relating to herd immunity. 

I was hoping there was some sort of study that gave a number with some backing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 19, 2021, 06:22:54 PM
He's worn so many holes in his flip flops that he most have a closet full of them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on February 19, 2021, 06:22:54 PM
He's worn so many holes in his flip flops that he most have a closet full of them.

Does he keep stepping on pop tops?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/pfizers-vaccine-works-well-after-one-dose-doesnt-always-need-ultracold-storage/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1613761424

Interesting news about the Pfizer product.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on February 19, 2021, 11:50:13 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
The most recent (January 2021) clinical opinion I have heard on that is when 75% or so of the US population is vaccinated.  But I wonder if that may change due to the variants.

I heard a report today that we might reach "herd immunity"  by mid to late April.   ;/   

So far most reports I've heard say the vaccine will work on the variants,  but not as effectively on the African version of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN- - - - -oooops,  I mean covid 19. :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 20, 2021, 08:13:00 AM
$100 million of covid relief to go to building underground rail in Silicon Valley, where the average salary is like a bajillion dollars. They could pay for it out of their lunch money.


https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/house-covid-bill-millions-silicon-valley-transportation-project


ETA: Here's a bunch more.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/20/mega-thread-breaks-down-where-all-of-the-covid-19-relief-money-in-the-house-bill-is-going-hint-not-to-you/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 20, 2021, 04:49:30 PM
A picture is worth a thousand words :rofl:

Maybe the US shouldn’t consider its own ‘Droplet Joe’ mascot to make vaccination less scary for kids
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/20/maybe-the-us-shouldnt-consider-its-own-droplet-joe-mascot-to-make-vaccination-less-scary-for-kids/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EurwzX6VIAYsNhT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 20, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
Invest in lipids, young man!

https://cen.acs.org/business/outsourcing/Lipids-unsung-COVID-19-vaccine/99/web/2021/02

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/18/vaccine-fat-lipids-supply/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on February 21, 2021, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ron on February 19, 2021, 12:57:52 PM
Two generations to flatten the curve.

Never going to happen.  "They" will find more variants.
"Masks are for crooks and the Lone Ranger."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 22, 2021, 08:30:08 AM
Move over Coivd19, here comes H5N8

Russia tells World Health Organization it has detected first case of avian flu strain in humans
https://www.wlky.com/article/russia-tells-world-health-organization-it-has-detected-first-case-of-avian-flu-strain-in-humans/35576369
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 22, 2021, 11:56:28 AM
The poultry group I’m in on FB was sending out avian flu warnings a few weeks ago.  Though more in the context of the risks to backyard flocks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on February 22, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-iran-cleric-coroavirus-gay/31094316.html

Well then, that changes everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 22, 2021, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on February 22, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-iran-cleric-coroavirus-gay/31094316.html

Well then, that changes everything.

Well things have been getting kind of queer lately  :P

Remember you can't criticize him or you'll be guilty of cultural insensitivity
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 22, 2021, 10:12:30 PM
If we have a serum that makes people homosexual, then we can reverse-engineer it to make homosexuals straight. Conversion therapy!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 22, 2021, 11:00:34 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-fauci/update-1-fauci-says-us-political-divisions-contributed-to-500000-dead-from-covid-19-idUSL1N2KS33Y

Quote
In an interview with Reuters, Fauci on Monday said the pandemic arrived in the United States as the country was riven by political divisions in which wearing a mask became a political statement rather than a public health measure.

It's our fault. How unifying. We all know when they say "division," they mean "deplorables."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2021, 08:18:17 AM
OMG. I just caught a Biden PR conference about the relief bill where he said, "Now critics say the plan is too big. Let me ask them a rhetorical question - what would you have me cut?"

AYFKM?!? Moron.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 23, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
I saw that too and had pretty much the same reaction.

Give me a few hours with that thing, I'll trim the *expletive deleted*it out of it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2021, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on February 23, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
I saw that too and had pretty much the same reaction.

Give me a few hours with that thing, I'll trim the *expletive deleted*it out of it.

I heard on Fox Business that the bill is 20% covid and 80% other stuff. If that's true, it's outrageous. Right or wrong, I've come to expect them to sneak like 20% pork into a bill, and that's just doing business. But the reverse? We need to start stringing these aholes up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 23, 2021, 05:02:55 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/23/one-year-later-our-answer-to-lockdowns-must-be-never-again/

All true.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 24, 2021, 01:36:18 PM
Quote
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control slipped in a shocking piece of evidence in a recent report on low in-school COVID-19 transmission that severely undercuts the rationale for most COVID restrictions, including lockdowns.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/24/in-report-affirming-nearly-no-transmission-in-schools-cdc-slips-in-shocking-data-about-asymptomatic-spread/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 25, 2021, 10:18:10 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/amid-covid-19-pandemic-flu-has-disappeared-in-the-us/

2020: the flu season that wasn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 25, 2021, 10:36:50 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 25, 2021, 10:18:10 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/amid-covid-19-pandemic-flu-has-disappeared-in-the-us/

2020: the flu season that wasn't.

Took kids for regular checkups yesterday.  Doc even said flu shots were pretty much a moot point.  Only shot was for the oldest (turning 17 in April) for meningitis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 25, 2021, 01:21:33 PM
Golly gee whiz, the masking and social distancing has killed the annual flu season.  There's another reason to make mask and social distancing mandates permanent.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 25, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on February 25, 2021, 01:21:33 PM
Golly gee whiz, the masking and social distancing has killed the annual flu season.  There's another reason to make mask and social distancing mandates permanent.

That was my first thought when I read the first paragraph.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2021, 06:47:37 PM
Probably no way to get any kind of numbers, but I wonder how many people had the flu but just skipped visiting the doctor? Or maybe even had a mild flu but thought it was mild covid?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 25, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
Bend over for America

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298587/China-denies-requiring-U-S-diplomats-anal-swab-tests.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on February 26, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
Got my first vaccination shot last Saturday, 20 Feb. Zero side effects, not even a sore shoulder.  I wonder if my shoulder is just getting used to shots... since I'm right-handed, whenever possible, I get shots in my left shoulder.

In observing the whole mish-mosh with vaccination schedules from "on high,"  I have complimented several of the workers involved in that square dance of the process.  I can't liken their efforts to "First Responders," but I can sure suggest it.

Good job !  Carry on !

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 26, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
Why on earth?

https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1364946181055516673
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 26, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 25, 2021, 06:47:37 PM
Probably no way to get any kind of numbers, but I wonder how many people had the flu but just skipped visiting the doctor? Or maybe even had a mild flu but thought it was mild covid?
I imagine the usual hypochondriacs are conflicted.  Should they run to the doctor for every little thing or stay locked down? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 26, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 26, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
I imagine the usual hypochondriacs are conflicted.  Should they run to the doctor for every little thing or stay locked down?

The hypochondriacs are who pay our bills.  They have been staying home.  Just like the data coming out about all the heart attacks, strokes, seizures and the like that weren't going to the ER.  We figure they either died at home or got better of their own accord.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on February 26, 2021, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 26, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
Why on earth?

https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1364946181055516673

(Describes a selfie booth, in case you're tired of whatsisname's drive-by posts.  =D )

I like the idea of providing bagels, but why add another logistical problem to the ones they've already got?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 26, 2021, 10:49:07 PM
People are defending it, by pointing out that people will be persuaded to get the vaccine if they see their friends posting those selfies.  :facepalm:

I guess "trust the science," really means "follow the herd."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 27, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-refusal-military.html

1/3rd of active-duty troops or National Guard are declining the COVID vaccine.  Interesting comments on the implications of this as a bellwether for the society at large.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on February 28, 2021, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 25, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
Bend over for America

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298587/China-denies-requiring-U-S-diplomats-anal-swab-tests.html

If, as the article implies, that diplomats are "exempt", is it possible they were "implanting" something instead????  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
Someone needs to call Mr. Obvious

Quote
Before the COVID-19 pandemic forced Jefferson County Public Schools to quickly transition to remote learning, students had been suspended nearly 16,000 times during the 2019-20 school year.

Since then, overall behavior referrals at JCPS have plummeted as students learn from home.

Student behavior referrals plummet during distance learning at JCPS
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/student-behavior-referrals-plummet-during-distance-learning-at-jcps/article_7d874ce4-7873-11eb-b540-ff698f5eb995.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 01, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
I wonder what the on-line attendance rates are for those very students...

I bet it's pretty bad.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 01, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 01, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
Someone needs to call Mr. Obvious

Student behavior referrals plummet during distance learning at JCPS
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/student-behavior-referrals-plummet-during-distance-learning-at-jcps/article_7d874ce4-7873-11eb-b540-ff698f5eb995.html

Overall learning has plummeted as well, but we won't admit that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 01, 2021, 10:13:51 AM
Oh, that's been a very publicized complaint here in DMV over the past couple of months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 01, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
I wonder what the on-line attendance rates are for those very students...

I bet it's pretty bad.

Upcoming headline
POC school attendance rates fell to their lowest level since Jim Crow under Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 01, 2021, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 01, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Overall learning has plummeted as well, but we won't admit that.

Yup. My grand niece, who has always loved school, started falling way behind on her reading level (she's in 2nd grade) because of remote learning and the teachers just not having time to help students get over any remote learning humps. Her dad is a good guy, but just not a good home schooler. I gave him four grand to hire a private tutor and she has now caught back up, but not every kid gets that kind of help.

I can only imagine how badly this "graduation year" cadre of students is going to fall behind by the time they all graduate. I think the younger students, in their formative years, are going to be especially hard hit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 01, 2021, 09:24:12 PM
My daughter has been in school all but part of the week before thanksgiving. Well the the also had four snow days. So far no problems and I'm not seeing any coming.

My county numbers as of today.

Pop: 16,172
Positive: 1345
Active: 11
Deaths: 29
Negative: 11,890

I only know about a few of the deaths but the ones I know were over 80. The only positive people I know that had any problems are fat.

I sure don't want to get it but that's not looking very deadly for a county that never shut down and has an older population.

Two weeks to flatten the curve. We never saw a curve. We had a little bump just before thanksgiving that was it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on March 03, 2021, 10:40:48 PM
Ben, I congratulate you on being such a "grand" uncle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on March 03, 2021, 10:40:48 PM
Ben, I congratulate you on being such a "grand" uncle.

Thanks. My niece, who died of a brain tumor a few years ago, was always like a daughter to me, so I feel it's my duty to take care of my grand niece. I feel bad though, for all the kids that don't have someone to help them, financially or otherwise, get through this remote learning charlie foxtrot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2021, 05:14:30 PM
Illegal immigration detention facilities opened to 100% (or more) capacity by order of the president. Schools are still closed. TX and MS are "Neanderthals" per the president for relaxing covid restrictions.



https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/05/biden-admin-reportedly-gives-green-light-to-open-back-up-to-pre-covid-capacity-migrant-holding-facilities-only/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
 :facepalm:

Blue-checks are afraid of life getting back to normal. Really. They are tweeting this to their followers right now.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/05/blue-checks-are-afraid-of-life-getting-back-to-normal-really-they-are-tweeting-this-to-their-followers-right-now/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 06, 2021, 04:54:24 AM
^ (LINK, BRAVE BROWSER)

The requested twitter page popped up for an instant, followed by:



Quote
GOOGLE
404. That’s an error.

The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

? ? ?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 06, 2021, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: 230RN on March 06, 2021, 04:54:24 AM
^ (LINK, BRAVE BROWSER)

The requested twitter page popped up for an instant, followed by:


 
? ? ?

Works for me using Chrome.

Also, why are leftist so scared of everything?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 06, 2021, 07:49:20 AM
^
Sturm und Drang, strife and distress, hate and discontent, are all at the roots of Communism.

And it doesn't matter where the hate and discontent is directed or whether it is rational or not.  It's like successive advertising "impacts." No matter how many times you ignore a commercial, for instance, each presentation is an "impact," even if you can barely hear it from the next room.

Thus it is with Leftist complaints.  Every complaint no matter how irrational, no matter where it is directed, is another.... impact.

Terry

REF:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sturm+und+drang&t=h_&ia=web
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 07, 2021, 01:32:54 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/austria-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-batch-after-death_3723690.html

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ZURICH—Austrian authorities have suspended inoculations with a batch of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution while investigating the death of one person and the illness of another after the shots, a health agency said on Sunday.

“The Federal Office for Safety in Health Care (BASG) has received two reports in a temporal connection with a vaccination from the same batch of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the district clinic of Zwettl” in Lower Austria province, it said.

One 49-year-old woman died as a result of severe coagulation disorders, while a 35-year-old woman developed a pulmonary embolism and is recovering, it said. A pulmonary embolism is an acute lung disease caused by a dislodged blood clot.

“Currently there is no evidence of a causal relationship with the vaccination,” BASG said.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Interesting article on "waves" of long haul symptoms. Maybe  I can now point my finger at covid for the old guy mind fog I seem to be getting more and more of.  :laugh:

I still don't have my smell back. I've been starting to get something like "ghost" smells - sorta kinda thinking I smell something, but I can't be sure.

Anyway, the CCP made a pretty good first run at a bioweapon release.  =)

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/long-haul-covid-patients-can-experience-waves-symptoms-early-research-n1259281
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 10, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article249663363.html

Idaho truck driver concludes COVID wasn't a hoax after all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 10, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 10, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article249663363.html

Idaho truck driver concludes COVID wasn't a hoax after all.

He is in on it.  One of "them."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 10, 2021, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 05, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
:facepalm:

Blue-checks are afraid of life getting back to normal. Really. They are tweeting this to their followers right now.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/05/blue-checks-are-afraid-of-life-getting-back-to-normal-really-they-are-tweeting-this-to-their-followers-right-now/


Quote
I don’t want to travel endlessly for work. I don’t want my weekends to be over-committed with activities. I don’t want to miss bedtime with my kid. I don’t want to wear blazers — or, hell, even shoes.

Oddly enough I find myself more or less in complete agreement with that statement as amended.
 =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on March 10, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
He is in on it.  One of "them."

Bodysnatched by a pod  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on March 10, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 10, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article249663363.html

Idaho truck driver concludes COVID wasn't a hoax after all.

There are many people who think it's all a hoax.

The hoax isn't the virus. The hoax is treating something that's 3 times as deadly as the flu as the andromeda strain.

Have the actions of the past year (the blatant lying, manipulation, draconian measures, and mask insanity) including destroying thousands of people's livelihoods been appropriate to something this benign?

Yes, people have died. Yes, it's a serious disease. But it should never have disrupted the world this much. Our entire world is insane. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2021, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 01, 2021, 10:46:42 AM
Yup. My grand niece, who has always loved school, started falling way behind on her reading level (she's in 2nd grade) because of remote learning and the teachers just not having time to help students get over any remote learning humps. Her dad is a good guy, but just not a good home schooler. I gave him four grand to hire a private tutor and she has now caught back up, but not every kid gets that kind of help.

I can only imagine how badly this "graduation year" cadre of students is going to fall behind by the time they all graduate. I think the younger students, in their formative years, are going to be especially hard hit.
I have two nieces in college (or taking college classes remotely).  I found out one was having trouble with math and got a tutor to help.  They don't have any office hours or time with a teaching assistant.  I don't think she even has an actual textbook.  She ended up getting a tutor to get her through that spot and is doing well again.  My other niece was already using tutors to assist. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 10, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: makattak on March 10, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
There are many people who think it's all a hoax.

The hoax isn't the virus. The hoax is treating something that's 3 times as deadly as the flu for those over 70, about as deadly for those 50-70, and far less deadly for those under about 50 as the andromeda strain.

Have the actions of the past year (the blatant lying, manipulation, draconian measures, and mask insanity) including destroying thousands of people's livelihoods been appropriate to something this benign?

Yes, people have died. Yes, it's a serious disease. But it should never have disrupted the world this much. Our entire world is insane.

FTFY.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 14, 2021, 12:52:50 PM
More bad news for the AstraZeneca vaccine (and users thereof):

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/14/europe/ireland-stops-astrazeneca-rollout-intl/index.html

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Health authorities in Austria were the first to sound the alarm on the potential dangers of the vaccine, suspending on Tuesday one batch of doses.

Italy on Friday banned the use of vaccines from a specific batch of AstraZeneca doses following the death of a serviceman in Sicily, who had died of cardiac arrest one day after receiving his first dose of the vaccine.

Denmark however on Thursday became the first European country to temporarily suspend the entire rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The European Union's medicines regulator, the EMA, is currently investigating whether the shot could be linked to a number of reports of blood clots.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 14, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
A tale of two states: California and Florida have nearly identical COVID infection rates despite taking very different approaches to the pandemic:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/virus-tolls-similar-despite-governors-contrasting-actions_3732095.html

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Nearly a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered the nation’s first statewide shut down because of the coronavirus, masks remain mandated, indoor dining and other activities are significantly limited, and Disneyland remains closed.

By contrast, Florida has no statewide restrictions. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has prohibited municipalities from fining people who refuse to wear masks. And Disney World has been open since July.

Despite their differing approaches, California and Florida have experienced almost identical outcomes in COVID-19 case rates.

How have two states that took such divergent tacks arrived at similar points?

...

California and Florida both have a COVID-19 case rate of around 8,900 per 100,000 residents since the pandemic began, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And both rank in the middle among states for COVID-19 death rates—Florida was 27th as of Friday; California was 28th.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2021, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 14, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
A tale of two states: California and Florida have nearly identical COVID infection rates despite taking very different approaches to the pandemic:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/virus-tolls-similar-despite-governors-contrasting-actions_3732095.html

I wonder if we couldn't say CA is actually worse, if you factor in the age demographics. FL has a lot of at-risk elderly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2021, 07:09:01 AM
Ireland and the Netherlands have just suspended the use of the Astra Zeneca vaccine over concerns about possible blood clots.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/15/covid-ireland-netherlands-suspend-astrazeneca-vaccine-amid-blood-clot-fears.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 15, 2021, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 15, 2021, 07:09:01 AM
Ireland and the Netherlands have just suspended the use of the Astra Zeneca vaccine over concerns about possible blood clots.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/15/covid-ireland-netherlands-suspend-astrazeneca-vaccine-amid-blood-clot-fears.html

Along with Italy, Austria, Norway, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Denmark.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 17, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-haglers-widow-rebuts-rumors-about-how-he-died/

Sounds like Mr. Hagler died of a cardiac or pulmonary event.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 18, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-china-hunt-covid-origins-11616004512?mod=itp_wsj&ru=yahoo

If you can get past the paywall or find the article via other means, this is a very interesting WSJ investigation showing the restrictions on the WHO investigation into the origins of the COVID virus.  The PRC has worked very hard to suppress an independent and unbiased investigation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on March 19, 2021, 09:24:31 AM
I finished listening to this book: https://www.amazon.com/Great-Influenza-Deadliest-Pandemic-History/dp/0143036491 (https://www.amazon.com/Great-Influenza-Deadliest-Pandemic-History/dp/0143036491).  It is a very interesting read.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 20, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
Got my second (Pfizer) shot today.  No lines, no triage like my first one.  Just walked in, gave them my ritual "No, no, no" on the coughing etc questions, showed my card from the first one, was ushered in to the shooting range, got shot, waited the fifteen minutes to see if I was DRT or not, and off I went.  Recap: zero reactions to the first shot.

Big error:  Since it was so quick I decided to go shopping for a few things.  I forgot what shopping on a Saturday was like.  AAAAACCCKKK!

Terry, 230RN

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 21, 2021, 09:14:36 AM
So, heard a wonderful little tale from one of my coworkers the other day.

Our customer, government entity, issued us letters stating that, because of the work that we do we should be classified as 1b, essential for national security, and to bump us to that group.

So, one of my coworkers took his letter to Andrews Air Force base. Waited an hour in line, only to be rejected when he showed the letter.

Why? Because the .gov staff giving the shots at Andrews said that the letter was not personalized to the holder and, because of that, it would not be accepted. My coworker said while he was there about 60 people were booted out of line because they had the same letter.

I love .gov. What a bunch of f*expletive deleted*tards.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 21, 2021, 12:07:16 PM
Food for thought ...

If you get the Covid, develop symptoms and stay home, are helping the herd achieve immunity? Someone gave it to you and maybe staying home will deprive someone else of getting it and you're therefore not passing on the opportunity to achieve natures best immunity. We've been designed to work that way, though not all diseases will be cured by a person's own immune system. Even polio can be cured by one's own immune system but not the damage it can create or cause in some people.

Certain diseases such as syphilis and tuberculosis aren't handled well with a person's immune system but those diseases are curable with the proper drugs. Viruses rely completely on a person's immune system. Vaccines only boost or 'train' a person's immune system for a particular virus, they will not prevent you from acquiring it. You're just more able to defeat it. While I'm still strong and healthy, I'll rely on natures way to defeat viruses.

Here is another thought to consider: If I have the disease and remain symptom free, doesn't that mean my immune system is doing its job and any viruses I might expel are weekend or dead and might aid someone else's immune system develop/build up their immune system's resistance just like a vaccine?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 21, 2021, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 21, 2021, 12:07:16 PM
Food for thought ...

If you get the Covid, develop symptoms and stay home, are helping the herd achieve immunity? Someone gave it to you and maybe staying home will deprive someone else of getting it and you're therefore not passing on the opportunity to achieve natures best immunity. We've been designed to work that way, though not all diseases will be cured by a person's own immune system. Even polio can be cured by one's own immune system but not the damage it can create or cause in some people.

Certain diseases such as syphilis and tuberculosis aren't handled well with a person's immune system but those diseases are curable with the proper drugs. Viruses rely completely on a person's immune system. Vaccines only boost or 'train' a person's immune system for a particular virus, they will not prevent you from acquiring it. You're just more able to defeat it. While I'm still strong and healthy, I'll rely on natures way to defeat viruses.

Here is another thought to consider: If I have the disease and remain symptom free, doesn't that mean my immune system is doing its job and any viruses I might expel are weekend or dead and might aid someone else's immune system develop/build up their immune system's resistance just like a vaccine?

Woody

If you catch the disease and get over it, you have some immunity; don't know how much. Probably as much or more than if you got the vaccine.  The scientific community can't seem to make up its mind about whether people without symptoms can spread the disease.  Theoretically it is not only possible but likely.  But there's little or no evidence -- at least that I've seen.  This disease has been so politicized all the data is suspect.   You're probably shedding virus, but maybe not enough to infect someone unless they are extremely susceptible (like someone with an active AIDS infection)

Herd immunity means when someone does get the disease the virus can't find enough non-immune people to jump to to keep spreading, and it dies-out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Spreading pestilence and disease is not “natural medicine.”  That’s just making people sick.

I cannot begin to comprehend how the spectrum of American values has grown to include the proposition that making people sick with a really nasty virus might be a public service, akin to natural immunisation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 21, 2021, 08:55:18 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
Spreading pestilence and disease is not “natural medicine.”  That’s just making people sick.

I cannot begin to comprehend how the spectrum of American values has grown to include the proposition that making people sick with a really nasty virus might be a public service, akin to natural immunisation.
I don’t agree with intentional infection, but for most people it is not a particularly nasty virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 21, 2021, 08:55:18 PM
I don’t agree with intentional infection, but for most people it is not a particularly nasty virus.

Would you use a firearm that had a failure rate of one percent causing death, and up to 10 percent injuries causing hospitalisation?

The numbers of deaths and and cases of serious illness, including long term chronic health problems, are nasty. Those numbers both get downplayed and puffed up for political reasons, but on the best evidence available no sane person should be casual about catching or spreading it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 21, 2021, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 09:43:00 PM
Would you use a firearm that had a failure rate of one percent causing death, and up to 10 percent injuries causing hospitalisation?

The numbers of deaths and and cases of serious illness, including long term chronic health problems, are nasty. Those numbers both get downplayed and puffed up for political reasons, but on the best evidence available no sane person should be casual about catching or spreading it.

It is not smallpox.  It does not have a 1% mortality.  It is not sane to treat it like that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 11:49:32 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 21, 2021, 11:14:15 PM
It is not smallpox.  It does not have a 1% mortality.  It is not sane to treat it like that.

 https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 22, 2021, 12:08:32 AM
Quote
I cannot begin to comprehend how the spectrum of American values has grown to include the proposition that making people sick with a really nasty virus might be a public service, akin to natural immunisation.

  :rofl:

If reviving the measles party is your signal there might be something wrong with Americans' moral code, I think you missed a few things. The past two months, for example.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 22, 2021, 12:22:44 AM
Regardless of the severity of the disease, it may be impossible to stop. It might just have to work it's course into the human population. That's what happened with the 1918 flu and now that flu is not dangerous anymore. Sucks for all the people that died yeah.

All the covid cowerers are banking on vaccines. Vaccines can work. But we don't know how well; all indications, to me, are that we will be lucky if the vaccine works as well as the annual flu vaccine. Note, we have not eradicated the flu via vaccination; I see no reason to expect we will conquer covid that way.

We also cannot put the world on hold every year so we can genetically sequence every strain just so we can "stop" it. That's doing damage comparable to the disease itself; cure worse than disease. Eventually someone will come up with a globally optimized response solution. Probably something like "stay home if you are sick, wash your hands frequently, avoid large gatherings, get vaccinated, especially if you have a risk factor". Then sit back and watch people die by the thousands, yes, just like the seasonall flu every year, because life sucks and viruses exist and people often die from them. You know, exactly how we managed viruses up until a year or so ago.

I'm not saying covid is not bad. It's pretty nasty. I'm just saying it doesn't look like there's much we can practically do about it, and the current response is equal parts information crisis and spiritual crisis, and not sound epidemiology.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 22, 2021, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 11:49:32 PM
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.

If mortality was above 1% we would have millions dead, not thousands.  It is the equivalent to a bad flu and pneumonia year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 02:57:51 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 22, 2021, 12:24:38 AM
If mortality was above 1% we would have millions dead, not thousands.  It is the equivalent to a bad flu and pneumonia year.

Do you have data about case fatality that Johns Hopkins doesn’t? Would be interested to see how you concluded their data is wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 02:58:46 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 22, 2021, 12:08:32 AM
  :rofl:

If reviving the measles party is your signal there might be something wrong with Americans' moral code, I think you missed a few things. The past two months, for example.

Would you send your children to a measles party if it killed upwards of 1 in 100, and maimed ten times that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 03:01:43 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 22, 2021, 12:22:44 AM
Regardless of the severity of the disease, it may be impossible to stop. It might just have to work it's course into the human population. That's what happened with the 1918 flu and now that flu is not dangerous anymore. Sucks for all the people that died yeah.

All the covid cowerers are banking on vaccines. Vaccines can work. But we don't know how well; all indications, to me, are that we will be lucky if the vaccine works as well as the annual flu vaccine. Note, we have not eradicated the flu via vaccination; I see no reason to expect we will conquer covid that way.

We also cannot put the world on hold every year so we can genetically sequence every strain just so we can "stop" it. That's doing damage comparable to the disease itself; cure worse than disease. Eventually someone will come up with a globally optimized response solution. Probably something like "stay home if you are sick, wash your hands frequently, avoid large gatherings, get vaccinated, especially if you have a risk factor". Then sit back and watch people die by the thousands, yes, just like the seasonall flu every year, because life sucks and viruses exist and people often die from them. You know, exactly how we managed viruses up until a year or so ago.

I'm not saying covid is not bad. It's pretty nasty. I'm just saying it doesn't look like there's much we can practically do about it, and the current response is equal parts information crisis and spiritual crisis, and not sound epidemiology.

And yet, some countries have completely eliminated covid and the best evidence about vaccines is that they’re capable of developing herd immunity if vaccination rates are high enough.

The resignation on this virus is bizarre. It seems like only in America can nothing be done, when significant parts of the rest of the world are controlling the spread and rolling out vaccines that will end it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 22, 2021, 04:34:06 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 11:49:32 PM
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.
Do you believe that observed case fatality rate and mortality rate are the same thing?

Using the blanket formula of deaths/detected cases also presumes that everyone has the exact same risk. What is the observed CFR (again, not the same thing as an overall IFR) for people in various age groups?

The CDC current best guess ranges from an IFR of 0.002% for the 17 and younger cohort to 9% in the over 65 cohort. If observed CFR is any guide, the over 65 cohort is heavily skewed by the over 85s, but the CDC doesn’t break it down further.

As far as long term health impacts, yes, that may be a potential concern but the degree of that concern is still a big question. There are long term health impacts from most diseases, including very common ones.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 22, 2021, 04:34:06 AM
Do you believe that observed case fatality rate and mortality rate are the same thing?

Using the blanket formula of deaths/detected cases also presumes that everyone has the exact same risk. What is the observed CFR (again, not the same thing as an overall IFR) for people in various age groups?

The CDC current best guess ranges from an IFR of 0.002% for the 17 and younger cohort to 9% in the over 65 cohort. If observed CFR is any guide, the over 65 cohort is heavily skewed by the over 85s, but the CDC doesn’t break it down further.

As far as long term health impacts, yes, that may be a potential concern but the degree of that concern is still a big question. There are long term health impacts from most diseases, including very common ones.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#

Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.

Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 22, 2021, 06:36:37 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 02:57:51 AM
Do you have data about case fatality that Johns Hopkins doesn’t? Would be interested to see how you concluded their data is wrong.

The lack of bodies being burned en masse and my own damn brain conclude we are no where near a 1% mortality figure.  Go appeal-to-authority on somebody else's leg.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 22, 2021, 07:42:44 AM
The numbers are universally inflated.

They are "lying to us for our own good" doesn't work on me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 22, 2021, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 02:58:46 AM
Would you send your children to a measles party if it killed upwards of 1 in 100, and maimed ten times that?


Were measles parties really a thing?  I don't think so; I believe that was chicken pox.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 22, 2021, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 21, 2021, 11:49:32 PM
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

It isn’t smallpox, but it’s also not the flu. And mortality ranges above 1 percent.

There are things not accounted for in the data you cited, the most glaring being deaths with comorbidities.  How many of those deaths listed had comorbidities?  The JHU numbers conveniently leave those out.  The CDC has stated that roughly six percent of COVID deaths in the US were due to the virus alone, no comorbidities being present.  That brings the true COVID death count down markedly.
Second, how much overreporting of COVID cases and deaths is occurring?  The federal government has been sending subsidies to hospitals for each COVID case they treat, regardless of outcome.  The amount of the subsidy per patient varies by region.
Do you remember one of the chief axioms of economics?  That's right, if you subsidize something, you get more of it.  COVID numbers in this country are almost certainly overinflated because of the federal subsidies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 22, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 03:01:43 AM
And yet, some countries have completely eliminated covid and the best evidence about vaccines is that they’re capable of developing herd immunity if vaccination rates are high enough.

The resignation on this virus is bizarre. It seems like only in America can nothing be done, when significant parts of the rest of the world are controlling the spread and rolling out vaccines that will end it.

Which parts of the world? Only in the US? Wha?

Most of Europe are worse than the US. I'm only aware of Taiwan having made good progress in keeping the virus out, and keeping the virus out doesn't mean beating the virus, it means getting it later or managing to hold out until a vaccine. As I mentioned, this is not a sustainable strategy even for Taiwan, and besides, it was only possible for Taiwan because they had advanced intel on what was going on in China. By the time we knew what hit us in the US the virus was already circulating and you can't stop it by halting travel at that point. The death rate in the US is midpack, and our vaccination progress is world-leading. And there's relatively little differences in outcomes based on the strength of government interventions.

My point is that even if border lockdowns "work" to "slow the spread" (which is a pretty low bar in itself), they work for every virus. But we don't do those things for every virus because it's worse. COVID is bad but it's not an existential threat that changes the balance enough to justify the response that we saw, which in fairness was partly a result of ignorance. But now that we know more, it's become a religious thing because people don't like to admit they are/were wrong; this is the more ironic in light of the "the science!!!" accusations flying around.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 10:36:02 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 22, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Which parts of the world? Only in the US? Wha?

Most of Europe are worse than the US. I'm only aware of Taiwan having made good progress in keeping the virus out, and keeping the virus out doesn't mean beating the virus, it means getting it later or managing to hold out until a vaccine. As I mentioned, this is not a sustainable strategy even for Taiwan, and besides, it was only possible for Taiwan because they had advanced intel on what was going on in China. By the time we knew what hit us in the US the virus was already circulating and you can't stop it by halting travel at that point. The death rate in the US is midpack, and our vaccination progress is world-leading. And there's relatively little differences in outcomes based on the strength of government interventions.

My point is that even if border lockdowns "work" to "slow the spread" (which is a pretty low bar in itself), they work for every virus. But we don't do those things for every virus because it's worse. COVID is bad but it's not an existential threat that changes the balance enough to justify the response that we saw, which in fairness was partly a result of ignorance. But now that we know more, it's become a religious thing because people don't like to admit they are/were wrong; this is the more ironic in light of the "the science!!!" accusations flying around.
I seem to remember last year some countries were claiming to have no cases of COVID.  I don't think they were actually testing anyone, but that isn't important.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 22, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
I read an article a few days ago that indicates that there are currently 7 or so nations that haven't had a confirmed case of the Kung in quite some time...

Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out.

A couple are also extremely low population Asian nations (IIRC a couple  are former Soviet Republics) in very mountainous regions, which naturally promoted limited contact/exchange between population groups.

Then there's North Korea. Anyone believe that North Korea has had zero cases of the Kung? Anyone? Anyone? Well, apparently the WHO, does, but apparently WHO can't explain the Nork's dramatic and sudden rise in lead poisoning deaths of the last year...

Of course, the Norks were the first nation in the world to completely close their borders once things started hitting the fan, which our lovely left found to be heroic, justified, and prescient... Trump doing the same thing, however? It just shows what a racist xenophobe he is!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 22, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Which parts of the world? Only in the US? Wha?

Some cursory searching shows "the top ten" being mostly made up of low population island nations, like New Zealand. Besides their natural "border walls", they also don't have a million disease laden illegals coming in, and don't necessarily have the international responsibilities (whether you agree with them or not) that the US has. Essentially non-essential countries, so it's easier to lock them down. Or in the case of Mongolia - one of the countries that pops up as "solving" covid - you have the CCP connection, so suspect data.

It's somewhat unfair to lump the entire US into the same groupings as these small countries. Geography matters.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Mike.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 22, 2021, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.

Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.

In the United States, mortality from THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - -ooops, I mean covid 19, is about .5%  I don't know where you get "over 1%" other than some  John Hopkins study listing other countries (one at @4%) but, with due respect for foreigners,  that's not really relavent to the U. S. A.

"Contain and eradicate covid transmission"? ? ?  Huh?    Yea,  that worked well.  Ok,  island countries like New Zealand are naturally isolated, and did better.  America is hardly the same. 

In case you haven't noticed,   we have three vaccines, soon to be four (although projections are by the time the forth is available,  every American will already be vaccinated) and covid case counts are in decline as well as hospitalizations. 

Things seem to be getting  better.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 11:24:09 AM
At our Monday morning COVID briefing just now with the Snohomish Health District, case rates/100,000 and inpatient hospitalizations are continuing to drop, and have not been this low since last October.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 22, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 11:24:09 AM
At our Monday morning COVID briefing just now with the Snohomish Health District, case rates/100,000 and inpatient hospitalizations are continuing to drop, and have not been this low since last October.

My nurse neighbors have told me covid is basically a nothing-burger for Skagit county at the moment.  They didn’t even bother with a mask when we chatted yesterday.  No hand shaking but that’s ok.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 22, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.

Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.

What does your source of information say about those dying with comorbidities verses those who die by the Covid only?

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: zahc on March 22, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
But now that we know more, it's become a religious thing because people don't like to admit they are/were wrong; this is the more ironic in light of the "the science!!!" accusations flying around.

Science ==> religion ==> dogma
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 10:36:02 AM
I seem to remember last year some countries were claiming to have no cases of COVID.  I don't think they were actually testing anyone, but that isn't important.

North Korea, IIRC, is the only country to have made that claim.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 22, 2021, 12:00:31 PM
OK, this is the article I read...

It's been updated as of today, it looks like.

https://koryogroup.com/blog/are-there-countries-without-coronavirus

It also calls into question the Nork claims, as well as those by Turkmenistan.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
North Korea, IIRC, is the only country to have made that claim.
I thought one of the Mexican officials said that last year.  Maybe it was a South American country.  It was obviously not true when they said it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 22, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 02:58:46 AM
Would you send your children to a measles party if it killed upwards of 1 in 100, and maimed ten times that?

You know no one suggested that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 22, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
What does your source of information say about those dying with comorbidities verses those who die by the Covid only?

Woody

Large swaths of the US population have comorbidities, and in any case that doesn’t change the overall fatality rates, it just means some groups are hit harder than others. Obesity for example affects tremendous numbers of Americans - that might explain why it’s so much more deadly than the flu. Maybe you don’t think overweight people are worthy of living, but that doesn’t change their proportion of the us population and the consequently high overall death toll from
Covid.

In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue. Highly densely populated Asian countries handled it far better than the USA. South Korea is an example.
 https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea)

What the developed countries that stopped COVID have in common are well developed public health systems and the ability to deploy health resources to control outbreaks.

The USA has by many accounts on this board the greatest medical system in the world. There’s no reason why all that technology and innovation should not have been able to achieve decent per capita results on covid, but it did not.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 22, 2021, 08:56:25 AM
There are things not accounted for in the data you cited, the most glaring being deaths with comorbidities.  How many of those deaths listed had comorbidities?  The JHU numbers conveniently leave those out.  The CDC has stated that roughly six percent of COVID deaths in the US were due to the virus alone, no comorbidities being present.  That brings the true COVID death count down markedly.
Second, how much overreporting of COVID cases and deaths is occurring?  The federal government has been sending subsidies to hospitals for each COVID case they treat, regardless of outcome.  The amount of the subsidy per patient varies by region.
Do you remember one of the chief axioms of economics?  That's right, if you subsidize something, you get more of it.  COVID numbers in this country are almost certainly overinflated because of the federal subsidies.

This is fundamentally flawed reasoning - listing a comorbidity doesn’t make that a cause of death.

COVID still causes death in people whose underlying health make them more susceptible - if you shoot someone with hemophilia and they die when a similarly wounded person without it would not, it’s still a gunshot homicide.

Your argument that hospitals are faking data and therefore the deaths by covid are overstated is great, but speculation - do you have any actual data to replace the numbers you allege are fake?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 22, 2021, 07:32:13 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
...
The USA has by many accounts on this board the greatest medical system in the world. There’s no reason why all that technology and innovation should not have been able to achieve decent per capita results on covid, but it did not.

Maybe all that technology kept people alive who would have under different circumstances passed away before the Covid came along, and the Covid was the straw that broke the camel's back. Life expectancy and life style, etc., must be taken into consideration to be able to come to anything close to accuracy.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 22, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 03:01:43 AM
And yet, some countries have completely eliminated covid and the best evidence about vaccines is that they’re capable of developing herd immunity if vaccination rates are high enough.

The resignation on this virus is bizarre. It seems like only in America can nothing be done, when significant parts of the rest of the world are controlling the spread and rolling out vaccines that will end it.

Once again, you're ignoring what's happened in the last few months. We have, what 3 vaccines now? And it's been widely reported for a while now that we've controlled the spread.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/03/01/covid-summary-vaccine-cases-deaths/9591614597681/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 23, 2021, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Okay, so you’re not disputing it kills over 1 percent - it’s just that because the 16.5 percent of the population 65 or over is hit much harder than younger years, you reckon it’s less of a problem. Again, doesn’t seem sane to compare it to the flu.
I don't think we know the IFR and have seen estimates ranging from well under 1% to well over.  Most credible estimates I've seen are sub-1% overall with most age groups falling way, way under that.

I also don't recall saying it was the same thing as the flu.  What I said was that for most people it is not a particularly nasty virus.  Yes, for some people is is very nasty, but for most people symptoms are mild or nonexistent.  Because risk can be estimated based on age and health, there are options available to protect individuals at elevated risk while allowing society to operate.  Instead we've decided to pretend that everybody is the same, which has not resulted in particularly good outcomes across the board.

Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Then there’s that whole thing of it being possible to contain and eradicate covid transmission, which would handle the deaths and the long term medical consequences.
I'd love to hear the policies Emperor De Selby would prescribe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 23, 2021, 10:10:19 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 23, 2021, 10:20:02 AM
I understand there were at least 5 states that deliberately put known coronavirus patients in elderly care facilities that did not have the ability to separate them.  Aside from New York and Michigan, I don't know if anyone has been able to really investigate the full impact of decisions like that. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:04:10 PM

Your argument that hospitals are faking data and therefore the deaths by covid are overstated is great, but speculation - do you have any actual data to replace the numbers you allege are fake?

In my case not data but info straight from the horse's mouth. I regularly go in for therapy for my hand injury for about 1 1/2 years now. In discussions with various med personnel, many of whom I have come to know fairly well, many have told me they know the hospital is fudging numbers. Even told me examples of how that matches what many are saying here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 23, 2021, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 23, 2021, 10:20:02 AM
I understand there were at least 5 states that deliberately put known coronavirus patients in elderly care facilities that did not have the ability to separate them.  Aside from New York and Michigan, I don't know if anyone has been able to really investigate the full impact of decisions like that. 




Meh. That's just the liberals living the dream of getting rid of the useless elderly, whose only real purpose is to consume resources best consumed by those who know what's best for everyone.

In reality, it's just end-stage abortion, and as everyone knows, abortion is just fine and dandy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2021, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 22, 2021, 07:02:02 PM

In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue. Highly densely populated Asian countries handled it far better than the USA. South Korea is an example.
 https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea)

Not a single person here in the "parade" said ONLY island countries. South Korea is bordered by NK and ocean, making it effectively an island though. They also kept martial border controls in place. Visitors were assigned "monitors" to track them. When Trump tried to close / limit our border, he was labeled a xenophobe, and Pelosi went to party maskless in Chinatown. The US is ~9,700% larger than South Korea. Even if we accepted police state controls, where would they get the jackboots to monitor everyone?

Mongolia is another non-island country that reported it did well. What are the population, geographic, and governmental differences between Mongolia and the US?

Tanzania reported itself "virus free".

Quote
Tanzania's president on Sunday claimed that his country is free of the coronavirus because of the power of prayer. However, the claim came six weeks after the African nation stopped publicly updating virus data.

I would also note that the evil and crappy US put in upwards of $18 billion for Warp Speed. How much did awesome Australia chip in for vaccine research funding? I found this:

https://www.health.gov.au/news/further-funding-for-covid-19-vaccine-and-treatment-research

Sounds like it's less than for vegamite research.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on March 23, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
In many of the news reports about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, they are making claims that it is 79% effective in suppressing symptoms.
Read that carefully and think about the wording.
The news stories say "suppressing symptoms" but carefully avoid saying ANYTHING about actually stopping the covid-19 disease itself.  This will let people think they are "cured" or don't have the virus and this will let them become the new "superspreaders".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2021, 06:44:51 AM
"In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue."

It's also demonstrably UNTRUE that anyone in this thread said that.

Why don't you try brushing up on your reading comprehension  and try again?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 24, 2021, 07:32:44 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2021, 06:44:51 AM
"In terms of the parade saying only small islands stopped covid, well that’s demonstrably untrue."

It's also demonstrably UNTRUE that anyone in this thread said that.

Why don't you try brushing up on your reading comprehension  and try again?

Let me quote from this thread:

Quote
Some cursory searching shows "the top ten" being mostly made up of low population island nations, like New Zealand.

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Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out.

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I'm only aware of Taiwan having made good progress in keeping the virus out, and keeping the virus out doesn't mean beating the virus, it means getting it later or managing to hold out until a vaccine.

Meanwhile, South Korea is “basically an Island”.  By that logic the US is an island girt by the Atlantic and Pacific.

We need to coin a new mental issue in the spirit of trump derangement and bush derangement syndromes: COVID medical evidence derangement syndrome.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2021, 08:21:21 AM
"Mostly" now equals "only". You are one lousy lawyer.

The US is not a peninsula, surrounded by a totalitarian dictatorship, a DMZ, and ocean. You also wouldn't make a good geographer regarding geographic and geopolitical borders. I would recommend Robert Kaplan's "The Revenge of Geography".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 24, 2021, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2021, 08:21:21 AM
"Mostly" now equals "only". You are one lousy lawyer.

The US is not a peninsula, surrounded by a totalitarian dictatorship, a DMZ, and ocean. You also wouldn't make a good geographer regarding geographic and geopolitical borders. I would recommend Robert Kaplan's "The Revenge of Geography".

See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map.

The idea that South Korea is insulated from international traffic of people is, simply, absurd. Well, mostly absurd. It’s not only absurd - the idea is also more things than absurd.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2021, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 24, 2021, 08:30:59 AM
See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map.

The idea that South Korea is insulated from international traffic of people is, simply, absurd. Well, mostly absurd. It’s not only absurd - the idea is also more things than absurd.

And no one said that at all. In fact I mentioned that SK assigned monitors to visitors*. Something the size and culture of the US would never allow. Seriously, I've never seen anyone put words in people's mouths and deflect as much as you do. You might want to think about signing up to your covid derangement group yourself.


*https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-has-eliminated-coronavirus-risk-foreign-travelers-n1240957

Yet somehow you think that a country 99 times larger. with a population 6 times greater, than SK could do the same kind of monitoring.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2021, 09:02:36 AM
"See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map."

Jesus, really?

"Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out. "

You quoted that, but apparently you didn't even bother to read it.

Limited international contact is exactly how your supposed COVID CHAMPION! nations have allegedly "defeated" Covid.

When nations started shutting their borders to international travel the political left in the United States couldn't cheer loudly enough because they were bravely fighting the pandemic.

When Trump tried to limit international travel to the United States, your spirit animal political compatriots couldn't screech racism and xenophobia quickly or loudly enough.

You're all over the map in your "explanations" and "arguments," and like your spirit animal political compatriots, virtually none of them make sense.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 24, 2021, 11:17:31 AM
 :facepalm:

I don't suppose it's possible the ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - -ooops, covid19 spread could be exacerbated  by such things as ethnicity,  sanitation,  weather,  and other imponderables?   

Last year at this time I recall being told that the pandemic would lessen during the hot summer months as the virus doesn't tolerate warm summer climate.  Uh,  I for one did not get the impression  that happened.  What does seem reasonably true is that stuffing many people in a close indoor environment aids spread,  less so outside,  where we were told it's safer because of natural breezes.  Also,  UV light supposedly hurt or killed the bug.

All this business about some countries handling it better may have logical explanations that haven't been considered here. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 24, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on March 23, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
In many of the news reports about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, they are making claims that it is 79% effective in suppressing symptoms.
Read that carefully and think about the wording.
The news stories say "suppressing symptoms" but carefully avoid saying ANYTHING about actually stopping the covid-19 disease itself.  This will let people think they are "cured" or don't have the virus and this will let them become the new "superspreaders".

I take your point,  however,  could that just be lousy reporting rather than the vaccine being effective or not???   
A great many writers these days seem very clumsy with their writing ..... :-[

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on March 24, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
It's disappointing in general how vaccine data is not being shared earnestly and openly. Around here, they don't even advertise which vaccines are available because "they are all good and perfect" despite the fact that there are substantial, even extreme technical differences between them, the trials were not conducted the same way, and the trial outcomes were not the same. Yet, you can still find values for "effectiveness" for the different vaccines even though the figures were not gathered the same way and aren't even measuring the same things. So it looks like the statistical rigor of the vaccine data is not really much better than for the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2021, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: zahc on March 24, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
It's disappointing in general how vaccine data is not being shared earnestly and openly. Around here, they don't even advertise which vaccines are available because "they are all good and perfect" despite the fact that there are substantial, even extreme technical differences between them, the trials were not conducted the same way, and the trial outcomes were not the same. Yet, you can still find values for "effectiveness" for the different vaccines even though the figures were not gathered the same way and aren't even measuring the same things. So it looks like the statistical rigor of the vaccine data is not really much better than for the pandemic.
That is a problem with a lot of things these days.  Too many people default to Hide-the-Information mode.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 24, 2021, 11:25:28 PM
It's 24 March, 2021, and George Zimmerman is still not guilty.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2021, 11:39:26 PM
And Leon's getting larger
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 25, 2021, 12:21:34 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 24, 2021, 11:39:26 PM
And Leon's getting larger

 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 24, 2021, 09:02:36 AM
"See but then there’s that whole seaport and major airport traffic, which would seem to be far more relevant to how many potential Covid cases would come into a country than whether a nice country or blue colour is next to it on a map."

Jesus, really?

"Most of them have one thing in common.... they're isolated as hell and surrounded by thousands of miles of Pacific ocean, with few visitors in and out. "

You quoted that, but apparently you didn't even bother to read it.

Limited international contact is exactly how your supposed COVID CHAMPION! nations have allegedly "defeated" Covid.

When nations started shutting their borders to international travel the political left in the United States couldn't cheer loudly enough because they were bravely fighting the pandemic.

When Trump tried to limit international travel to the United States, your spirit animal political compatriots couldn't screech racism and xenophobia quickly or loudly enough.

You're all over the map in your "explanations" and "arguments," and like your spirit animal political compatriots, virtually none of them make sense.

First off, where have I been talking about Trump or Democrats???

Second, the point about borders was that major international destinations like SK and Taiwan managed to do this. Those are not places with few visitors.

Yes, the USA has more people but it also has greater resources. Why those weren’t applied to a proper control strategy is a legitimate question. I don’t accept the argument that America’s population size means its medical responses to pandemics should be worse than the response in far less wealthy countries.

Then there’s that whole bizarre argument that COVID isn’t bad at all, which pervades this thread. It’s legitimate to point out that while you are going after NY for returning covid patients to nursing homes, you’ve got people in this very thread saying that spreading Covid is just natural immunisation and that if old people die well that’s just a “nudge” for someone already on the way out.

Frankly, talking about spirit animals and Democrats looks frantic and all over the place. I’m quoting sources that show the impact of COVID (and seeing people claim it’s fake and COVID isn’t bad) and giving examples of countries that didn’t have nearly the per capita death and illness rate the USA did. You’re the one talking about Trump vs Democrats on Covid failure, not me.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 24, 2021, 08:40:02 AM
And no one said that at all. In fact I mentioned that SK assigned monitors to visitors*. Something the size and culture of the US would never allow. Seriously, I've never seen anyone put words in people's mouths and deflect as much as you do. You might want to think about signing up to your covid derangement group yourself.


*https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-has-eliminated-coronavirus-risk-foreign-travelers-n1240957

Yet somehow you think that a country 99 times larger. with a population 6 times greater, than SK could do the same kind of monitoring.

Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 25, 2021, 07:37:59 PM
 :facepalm:  He's back for more, guys!!! :O  [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 25, 2021, 07:47:56 PM
There's a sale at Penny's!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 25, 2021, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:37:43 PM
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.

Doing the things that would slow the entry of infected travelers was labeled racist and xenophobic by your libtard fellow travelers.  The measures that were taken did far more economic damage than was warranted for this disease. Because this mess got so politicized we will never know the what the real effects were. I do know that quarantining sick people away from at risk people makes more sense than sending sick people in to "target rich" environments like nursing homes. I'm pretty sure the democrat governors that did that will never be held accountable, mostly because libtards don't hold their fellow libtards accountable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 25, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:33:21 PM
Then there’s that whole bizarre argument that COVID isn’t bad at all, which pervades this thread. It’s legitimate to point out that while you are going after NY for returning covid patients to nursing homes, you’ve got people in this very thread saying that spreading Covid is just natural immunisation and that if old people die well that’s just a “nudge” for someone already on the way out.
I believe I have been very clear that there are people for whom covid is very dangerous. For the vast majority of people (myself included) it is not very serious at all, or is only a minor risk.

It can be simultaneously true that sick people intentionally sent in to nursing homes full of the most-at-risk individuals is evil and that the risk to the nursing home residents’ grandkids is hardly worth mentioning.

Knowing this, reasonable policy and personal decisions can be made to protect those at legitimate risk while not - you know - welding people into their apartments, or arresting people for having the temerity to speak out against lockdowns.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 25, 2021, 11:30:39 PM
https://slate.com/technology/2021/03/excel-error-spain-child-covid-death-rate.html

An interesting article about COVID data accuracy and how it has been a moving target due to software issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on March 26, 2021, 06:24:54 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:37:43 PM
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.

Because your fellow travellers used the virus to do everything they could to damage the economy, trample on freedoms and advance their political careers. Your side didn’t want to do anything that made actual sense, instead you bullied the rest of us with your scare tactics and complete made up bullshit to do all kinds of outrageous actions.

The final straw from me was when your side stepped right all over the first amendment to keep churches from congregating BUT the BLM *expletive deleted*s were allowed to gather by the thousands  to burn, loot, and murder all summer long. The spin that was used to justify that was neck snapping.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2021, 06:47:27 AM
And let's not forget NY Gov. Cuomo finally being able to employ the liberal's wet dream of death panels to remove the useless elderly...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 26, 2021, 08:30:27 AM
Quote from: De Selby on March 25, 2021, 07:37:43 PM
Why can’t a country 99 times larger with one of the worlds largest economies work out a solution that controls the spread of the virus???? That seems like resignation to being less capable of protecting your people than other countries, which is something you should hold politicians accountable for.

On the one hand, it's because some of our states, like NY and PA, decided to shove elderly Covid patients into nursing homes. That happened in states that won't hold the leadership accountable, because too many voters in those states value anti-Trump "resistance" and "woke" identity politics over human life. Cuomo may yet be punished, but only because he is of the lower caste, and is accused of crimes against those of a slightly higher caste. (As in the aforementioned case of George Zimmerman.)

On the other hand, if you still want to shame the Red-staters for the Covid response in places like Florida or South Dakota, meh. Some of us will only tolerate so much of government "protecting us" from things like viruses. We're still able to understand that such "protection" may harm us in the long run, and may overshadow more important things, like our individual liberties. None of which means the more vulnerable can't be protected, of course.

It's interesting to think what might have transpired, if early Covid response in the U.S. hadn't been sidetracked by Democrats downplaying it, just to be in opposition to the President. If some blue states had been more rational about who to put in nursing homes. If American institutions hadn't sacrificed their credibility on the altar of Leftism.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 26, 2021, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 26, 2021, 06:47:27 AM
And let's not forget NY Gov. Cuomo finally being able to employ the liberal's wet dream of death panels to remove the useless elderly...

America: sends an Army mobile hospital for covid and a Navy hospital ship for not covid.
New York City: clears hospitals of not covid patients and bolsters staff.

Cuomo: sends covid patients to nursing homes and the hospital ship.  Army hospital remains empty, local hospitals remain underutilized.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 26, 2021, 12:39:53 PM
I came across this yesterday. It's a woman in LA that owns a small funeral home reacting to the overwhelming number of bodies she has to deal with due to covid. This was filmed in late January this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s)

She also does a fair amount of complaining about the lack of assistance being provided by the government.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 26, 2021, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on March 26, 2021, 12:39:53 PM
I came across this yesterday. It's a woman in LA that owns a small funeral home reacting to the overwhelming number of bodies she has to deal with due to covid. This was filmed in late January this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE&t=270s)

She also does a fair amount of complaining about the lack of assistance being provided by the government.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Yea,  "one phone number"  ....  government should be that efficient ... [tinfoil] :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on March 26, 2021, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on March 26, 2021, 02:55:28 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Yea,  "one phone number"  ....  government should be that efficient ... [tinfoil] :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It's possible if the town you're in is small enough. Of course, that would like Mayberry small . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 28, 2021, 11:35:56 AM
I might consider a vaccine but not before there is an antidote.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 29, 2021, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 28, 2021, 11:35:56 AM
I might consider a vaccine but not before there is an antidote.  :old:

Woody
=|  Huh?   An antidote to covid 19 or the vaccine?    [tinfoil]


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
Well, looks like fed.gov is moving forward with vaccine passports. Some of those interviewed (not gov from what I could tell) thought it was a great idea to use them if you want to go to a restaurant or something as well.

Quote
The Vaccination Credential Initiative is a coalition trying to standardize tracking data of vaccination records in an attempt to speed up a return to normal.

“The busboy, the janitor, the waiter that works at a restaurant, wants to be surrounded by employees that are going back to work safely – and wants to have the patrons ideally be safe as well,” said Brian Anderson, a physician at Mitre, a company helping lead the initiative. “Creating an environment for those vulnerable populations to get back to work safely – and to know that the people coming back to their business are ‘safe,’ and vaccinated – would be a great scenario.”

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-administration-working-on-covid-19-passports-to-enable-american-travel
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 29, 2021, 08:39:02 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 29, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
Well, looks like fed.gov is moving forward with vaccine passports. Some of those interviewed (not gov from what I could tell) thought it was a great idea to use them if you want to go to a restaurant or something as well.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-administration-working-on-covid-19-passports-to-enable-american-travel

Just wait a while and you will see that carrying this "passport" will become mandatory.  It will be necessary to have it on your person if you want to engage in everyday activities outside your place of residence.  It will be a de facto internal travel document for traveling within the country.
Go ahead and call me paranoid, but just consider, when does government not overstep its bounds when an opportunity arises for it to do so?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 29, 2021, 08:43:38 AM
Never let a crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2021, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 29, 2021, 08:39:02 AM
Just wait a while and you will see that carrying this "passport" will become mandatory.  It will be necessary to have it on your person if you want to engage in everyday activities outside your place of residence.  It will be a de facto internal travel document for traveling within the country.
Go ahead and call me paranoid, but just consider, when does government not overstep its bounds when an opportunity arises for it to do so.

Just remember, "passport" to go out in public. No ID needed to vote.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 29, 2021, 08:59:18 AM
Deadliest days of the pandemic: COVID-19 kills nearly 15,000 in California in January
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-01/january-deadliest-covid-month-la-california

I guess this is what she is talking about. 

Quote
In Los Angeles County, 6,411 people died in January — 137% more than the previous most-deadly month of December, in which 2,703 people died. To date, more than 17,000 Angelenos have died of the disease, a milestone the county surpassed Tuesday.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 29, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 29, 2021, 08:43:47 AM
Just remember, "passport" to go out in public. No ID needed to vote.


Ihre Papiere bitte
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 29, 2021, 09:58:31 AM
I figured that "passport" dealie might be a thing sooner or later, so I kept that little card they gave me that shows the dates of my two shots.

I may have to trim it down a little to fit in my wallet, though.

Hey, been there, done that.  Pursuant to the instructions on my draft card I still have it, though I don't carry it around with me.  I hope they don't find out.  Haven't been asked for my draft card in a bar for about 55 years anyway.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2021, 10:22:09 AM
Impeach!

Quote
Dr Naomi Wolf
@naomirwolf
I hate to be the Democrat to have to say this but it’s time to impeach and prosecute. This is a clear and present danger and these are high crimes and misdemeanors against our Constitution and basic liberty.
https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1376378824460546050

‘Time to impeach and PROSECUTE’: Blue-check Democrat calls for Biden’s impeachment for pushing COVID vaccine passport
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/29/time-to-impeach-and-prosecute-blue-check-democrat-calls-for-bidens-impeachment-for-pushing-covid-vaccine-passport/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on March 29, 2021, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on March 29, 2021, 12:09:20 AM
=|  Huh?   An antidote to covid 19 or the vaccine?    [tinfoil]

To counteract any side effects of the vaccine. I wrote it mostly as a joke, but the more I think about it ...

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on March 29, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 29, 2021, 10:22:09 AM
Impeach!
https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1376378824460546050

‘Time to impeach and PROSECUTE’: Blue-check Democrat calls for Biden’s impeachment for pushing COVID vaccine passport
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/29/time-to-impeach-and-prosecute-blue-check-democrat-calls-for-bidens-impeachment-for-pushing-covid-vaccine-passport/


Removing him from office gives you what?

Oh, her.

Removing her from office gives you what?

And so it goes.

It's like British Royalty, I suppose.  One drops out, another fills in.  But they're all British Royalty.

The Fix Is In.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 31, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: 230RN on March 29, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Removing him from office gives you what?

Oh, her.

Removing her from office gives you what?

And so it goes.

It's like British Royalty, I suppose.  One drops out, another fills in.  But they're all British Royalty.

The Fix Is In.

Dust off and nuke it from orbit?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 31, 2021, 11:13:25 AM
It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
Not to change the subject but who the heck would think it would be good idea to assign nukes to squads of Marines? You know how many of those things would either be lost, broken, or pregnant afterwards?




 :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 31, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
The same people that decided everyone should go to the surface. What could go wrong?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on March 31, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
The same people that decided everyone should go to the surface. What could go wrong?

Yep, that bugged me too in the movie..

Considering they were on another "bug" hunt is is that a pun?  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 31, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Yep, that bugged me too in the movie..

Considering they were on another "bug" hunt is is that a pun?  :P

That and leaving the door open on the dropship. It was my favorite movie of the franchise, but they had to do quite a few dumb things to make it a two hour movie instead of a twenty minute short.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on March 31, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 29, 2021, 08:39:02 AM
Just wait a while and you will see that carrying this "passport" will become mandatory.  It will be necessary to have it on your person if you want to engage in everyday activities outside your place of residence.  It will be a de facto internal travel document for traveling within the country.
Go ahead and call me paranoid, but just consider, when does government not overstep its bounds when an opportunity arises for it to do so?

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they AREN'T out to "get you".  Looking at how non-leftists are being treated now will tell you what to expect in the future.
Papers like this already happened 80+ years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on March 31, 2021, 07:48:37 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 31, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
That and leaving the door open on the dropship. It was my favorite movie of the franchise, but they had to do quite a few dumb things to make it a two hour movie instead of a twenty minute short.  :laugh:

 ;/  No one I know,  whether they hate or love the movie,  has not noticed that one "STOOPID."  I was sputtering to myself about that  to myself about that when I saw it in the theater.  A guy sitting in the next seat laughed and made some comment agreeing with the criticism .... albeit rather more forcefully.....


.....Turned out later I found out he was a Marine ... >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
Quote
Starting Monday until the end of the year, if you take your vaccination card to any Krispy Kreme location in the US, you can get a free glazed doughnut each day, the company said in a news release.
The card must show one or two shots of any of the Covid-19 vaccines to qualify, and it must be redeemed at a store. You don't need to buy anything to get your daily free doughnut.

Krispy Kreme is making vaccinations extra sweet with a free doughnut a day for the rest of the year
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/business/krispy-kreme-free-donuts-covid-vaccination-trnd/index.html?utm_term=1616495027839919499c7afd2&utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Tuesday%2C+March+23%2C+2021&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1616495027841&bt_ee=MKCxjIQHbGHRjBpl2v9ej1oFBpX5X2V%2B4I13z8VOp%2FCy57meJ2rVyMTFZyaVt%2BXb&bt_ts=1616495027841

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffc01.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2013%2F219%2F3%2Fb%2Fhomer_simpson_drooling_by_dondrug-d6h081a.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 02, 2021, 12:39:55 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 01, 2021, 06:57:53 PM
Krispy Kreme is making vaccinations extra sweet with a free doughnut a day for the rest of the year
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/business/krispy-kreme-free-donuts-covid-vaccination-trnd/index.html?utm_term=1616495027839919499c7afd2&utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Tuesday%2C+March+23%2C+2021&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1616495027841&bt_ee=MKCxjIQHbGHRjBpl2v9ej1oFBpX5X2V%2B4I13z8VOp%2FCy57meJ2rVyMTFZyaVt%2BXb&bt_ts=1616495027841

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffc01.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2013%2F219%2F3%2Fb%2Fhomer_simpson_drooling_by_dondrug-d6h081a.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

If I hadn't heard that a week ago, I'd think it was an All Fool's Day gag. Either skip the vaccine and have a slim chance of dying early - or get the vaccine, and increase your chances of dying early from diabetes, heart disease, whatever other complications of eating donuts every day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 02, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
I've never had a Krispy Kreme donut.  If I find a store, I'll get a free donut just to see what the hype is about.  Not every day; probably just the one.

There was a KK in Rochester, MN but it didn't last long.  I suspect because they couldn't compete with the donuts at KwikTrip convenience stores; they are really good, fresh, and $2 a half dozen.  Never fresh enough that they are still warm, that's the one advantage KK had over KT but it might not be enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 02, 2021, 09:09:37 AM
Something about a carrot

https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1377739020315193344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/02/back-of-the-line-whitey-vermont-gov-phil-scott-invites-people-16-and-older-who-identify-as-bipoc-to-get-their-covid19-vaccines/

Kinda seems like we should have separate drinking fountains for people. Who wants to drink from a fountain white people used? Yuck!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 02, 2021, 11:31:17 AM
I identify as indigenous.  Indigenous to Earth as opposed to space aliens.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 02, 2021, 11:48:12 AM
Igneous?

You mean you're a rock head?  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on April 02, 2021, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 02, 2021, 11:31:17 AM
I identify as indigenous.  Indigenous to Earth as opposed to space aliens.

Me too! Great band!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_(band)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 02, 2021, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 02, 2021, 09:09:37 AM
Something about a carrot

https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1377739020315193344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F

Yes, treat the masses as if they're dopes who need your parenting, and tell them all about it. That'll be great.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on April 02, 2021, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on April 02, 2021, 01:27:31 PM
Yes, treat the masses as if they're dopes who need your parenting, and tell them all about it. That'll be great.

Sadly, that tactic will work on a large portion of the population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on April 02, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on April 02, 2021, 01:36:25 PM
Sadly, that tactic will work on a large portion of the population.

And that is why Universal Suffrage is a scam.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 09, 2021, 01:31:05 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1380230582953603072
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 11, 2021, 09:40:08 PM
Fauci ‘not sure’ why Texas doesn’t have COVID uptick after nixing masks
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/fauci-not-sure-why-texas-doesnt-have-covid-uptick-after-nixing-masks/

Maybe masks aren't really as effective for COVID as they want to think.  Maybe social distancing and companies still having employees work from home if they can makes a bigger difference? 

A lot of people aren't wearing masks at all though some still do.  Many stores have taken down the mandatory mask signs.  Some have no sign at all.  I figure people can make their own choices. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 12, 2021, 08:48:08 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/canada-gracelife-church-edmonton-video

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Hundreds of Canadian Christians gathered on Sunday at the GraceLife Church in Edmonton, Alberta. Government officials shut down the church for allegedly violating public COVID-19 health orders. Authorities erected a chain-link fence to prevent the house of worship from reopening last week. On Sunday, worshippers tore down the barricade, but were quickly met by a large contingent of riot police.

...

In February, GraceLife's Pastor James Coates was charged violating COVID-19 public health orders. Coates spent 35 days in custody before pleading guilty to a charge of breaching bail and was fined $1,500. He returned to the pulpit on March 28.

Evidently, freedom of religion means as little in Canada as it does in California.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 12, 2021, 09:33:24 PM
Think they would try that with a mosque?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 12, 2021, 09:34:40 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 12, 2021, 09:33:24 PM
Think they would try that with a mosque?

I almost wish they would.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on April 12, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 12, 2021, 09:33:24 PM
Think they would try that with a mosque?

Why would they?  The globalists and muslims are allies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 13, 2021, 08:55:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/NgOQtTO.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
Quote
The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in administration of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.

In a joint statement Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said they were investigating unusual clots in six women that occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. The clots occurred in veins that drain blood from the brain and occurred together with low platelets. All six cases were in women between the ages of 18 and 48.

The reports appear similar to a rare, unusual type of clotting disorder that European authorities say is possibly linked to another COVID-19 vaccine not yet cleared in the U.S., from AstraZeneca.

US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports
https://www.wdrb.com/news/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports/article_51c2bb06-9c4b-11eb-9f7d-a303fb03d91c.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 13, 2021, 10:02:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 13, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports
https://www.wdrb.com/news/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports/article_51c2bb06-9c4b-11eb-9f7d-a303fb03d91c.html

6.8 million doses given and only six people with blood clots. Better chance of dying from Covid than getting a blood clot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 13, 2021, 10:13:42 AM
About that J&J vaccine problem with the blood clots: - - - Put everyone on blood thinners! Create a problem, follow up with the cure, double your money! :facepalm:

Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him ...  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 13, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Yeah... I've got a clotting disease. Hereditary. This makes me more than a little bit nervous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 13, 2021, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: K Frame on April 13, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Yeah... I've got a clotting disease. Hereditary. This makes me more than a little bit nervous.

I got the opposite problem, I have a low platelet count, so my daily aspirin regimen means I bleed like a stuck pig with a paper cut.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 13, 2021, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: charby on April 13, 2021, 10:36:44 AM
a stuck pig with a paper cut.


That's an interesting visual  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 13, 2021, 11:25:46 AM

That's an interesting visual  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxv6IGBgFQ
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on April 13, 2021, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 13, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports
https://www.wdrb.com/news/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports/article_51c2bb06-9c4b-11eb-9f7d-a303fb03d91c.html

Guess who got the J&J shot? Me! Happily, no issues to report... yet :old: :facepalm: [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on April 13, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: K Frame on April 13, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
Yeah... I've got a clotting disease. Hereditary. This makes me more than a little bit nervous.

Me too. Ain't no way!!!!!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 13, 2021, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 13, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxv6IGBgFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSxv6IGBgFQ)


Thanks.  I've seen that before but it's worth watching again (and again)  =)  I meant the pig had a paper cut -- in addition to being stuck.  Ignoring how would a pig get a paper cut, it seems the least of his worries.  (if there's any ambiguity in a statement, I try to take it the wrong way to see if it's funny) =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 13, 2021, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: HeroHog on April 13, 2021, 12:13:41 PM
Guess who got the J&J shot? Me! Happily, no issues to report... yet :old: :facepalm: [tinfoil]

Anyone hear a loud thump?

Ah hell, Hero Hog's bleeding like a stuck Charby...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 13, 2021, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on April 13, 2021, 10:13:42 AM
About that J&J vaccine problem with the blood clots: - - - Put everyone on blood thinners! Create a problem, follow up with the cure, double your money! :facepalm:

Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him ...  :old:

Woody

A doctor appearing on Fox's  TUCKER CARLSON  stated that he believed very strongly in these vaccines but thinks that they're being dispensed in a somewhat irresponsible manner.   The basic thing he said,  is that if you've had THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN ---OOOOOPS, Covid 19 you have antibodies and should not take the vaccines as that's what he thinks is likely the cause of these blood related problems.

The problem is in people who have had asymptomatic covid 19.  They have the antibodies and that's what the vaccines interfere with,  but if one has had it asymptomatic,  one likely thinks they need the vaccines.    I suppose that either one ought to be very sure one hasn't had the  disease or be tested for antibodies first.

Typically,  people who survive the disease aren't vaccinated for it ...... but it seems this is being ignored.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on April 14, 2021, 04:03:44 AM
People who survive flu still get the flu vaccine.

I heard that all 6 of the thrombosis victims were women, and sone people suspect a link with hormones or contraceptives.

France suspended J&J this week basically on it's launch day there. I got the J&J a few weeks ago but I feel fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 14, 2021, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: zahc on April 14, 2021, 04:03:44 AM
People who survive flu still get the flu vaccine.

I heard that all 6 of the thrombosis victims were women, and sone people suspect a link with hormones or contraceptives.

France suspended J&J this week basically on it's launch day there. I got the J&J a few weeks ago but I feel fine.

The flu changes every year,  necessitating a new vaccine .    Polio  did not. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 14, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Speaking of The Andromeda Strain, I just finished reading it for the first time.

wow. Crappy book from a guy who would later write some really good books.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 14, 2021, 07:46:55 PM
Quote from: K Frame on April 14, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Speaking of The Andromeda Strain, I just finished reading it for the first time.

wow. Crappy book from a guy who would later write some really good books.
:O  I thought it was a pretty good book.   In 2019 a sequel was written called THE ANDROMEDA EVOLUTION.    It was a very good follow up to Crighton's 1969 novel .... in fact one of the original characters reappeared in this book. 

But,  since you disdain it,  I won't tempt you with juicy morsels found within .... like why Apollo 18 was cancelled .... >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 14, 2021, 09:47:40 PM
Here's a couple of covid things. One dumb, one a little infuriating.

Apparently when you hold a graveside funeral in CA, "because of covid" they will neither provide chairs nor a canopy. You are allowed to bring your own chairs for handicapped people, but are only allowed to use sun umbrellas. Also, since they keep the casket rigged on some kind of skids for lowering into the grave, they usually cover that lumber on the bottom with artificial grass so it blends in to the lawn. This is not allowed during covid in CA. The bare lumber must not be covered. Also, "because of covid", the cemetery closes at 3PM.

Also, beginning 20JAN (what happened then?) the fed.gov, via FEMA, will cover your funeral expenses if a cause of death was listed as "covid". The "Presidential" coffin seems to be quite popular right now.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on April 14, 2021, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: K Frame on April 14, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Speaking of The Andromeda Strain, I just finished reading it for the first time.

wow. Crappy book from a guy who would later write some really good books.

Not one of Crichton's best.  A better commentary on now would be State of Fear. 

The badguys even drive Priuses (pri-i?) :cool:

* I thought Sphere and Eaters of the dead were really good too.  Jurassic Park goes without saying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2021, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: Andiron on April 14, 2021, 09:53:53 PM
Not one of Crichton's best.  A better commentary on now would be State of Fear. 

I've not read it, but Fear (yes, with a capital F) seems to be the leitmotif for at least the past 5 years, and really amped up in 2020. The Left was in Full Scaremonger Mode ever since Trump was nominated, even dredging up a term as quaint and irrelevant as "white supremacy." We all know how that was turned up to 11 last year, and then the never-ending terror of the China virus (and now anti-Asian terrorism). Yay.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on April 14, 2021, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on April 14, 2021, 09:58:55 PM
I've not read it, but Fear (yes, with a capital F) seems to be the leitmotif for at least the past 5 years, and really amped up in 2020. The Left was in Full Scaremonger Mode ever since Trump was nominated, even dredging up a term as quaint and irrelevant as "white supremacy." We all know how that was turned up to 11 last year, and then the never-ending terror of the China virus (and now anti-Asian terrorism). Yay.

Worth a read if you have time  for it.  Not quite as good as Rainbow Six for portraying Eco terrorists as vermin needing shot in the face, but still an entertaining read.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 15, 2021, 08:46:08 AM
"But,  since you disdain it"

Never said I disdain it. I said it was a crappy first novel from a guy who would later write some really good novels. OK, maybe not crappy, but not really indicative at all of what was to come later. If someone gave me Andromeda Strain and, say, Sphere, to read back to back I would NEVER guess that they were by the same author.

The plot was very fractured and in a couple of places just didn't make much sense. Plot paths that were laid out simply stalled.

Congo, Sphere, Timeline, and others were a LOT better and a lot more tightly crafted. I especially liked Timeline.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on April 15, 2021, 10:19:16 AM
I remember Timeline being a surprisingly fun read.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 15, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: K Frame on April 15, 2021, 08:46:08 AM
"But,  since you disdain it"

Never said I disdain it. I said it was a crappy first novel from a guy who would later write some really good novels. OK, maybe not crappy, but not really indicative at all of what was to come later. If someone gave me Andromeda Strain and, say, Sphere, to read back to back I would NEVER guess that they were by the same author.

The plot was very fractured and in a couple of places just didn't make much sense. Plot paths that were laid out simply stalled.

Congo, Sphere, Timeline, and others were a LOT better and a lot more tightly crafted. I especially liked Timeline.


Well,  IIRC  THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN was Crighten's first novel.  That it might not be as good as later novels is certainly understandable and to be expected. I don't believe the plot was very fractured, really. 

I read SPHERE  years ago and I don't believe I could even recap the storyline now.  I've never read TIMELINE and will have to obtain a copy of it.

I really liked his JURASSIC PARK novels.  One of my "guilty pleasures"  is dinosaur movies,  even really crappy, low budget stuff;  it's just fun rainy afternoon entertainment,  so naturally,  I greatly enjoy both Crighten's Dino novels as well as all the movies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 15, 2021, 10:47:19 AM
I think I've read Timeline 3 or 4 times I like it that much.

The 2003 movie adaptation?

Absolutely atrocious.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!

Quote
Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
Now people are saying they won't travel to red states because it's a danger to be around conservatives. Nearly half of Republicans say they won't take the vaccine. It's literally hazardous to your health to be around this death cult. Their ignorance has reached a clinical level.
4:43 PM · Apr 14, 2021

The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2021, 12:05:02 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!

The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/


This guy is an idiot. We're getting swarmed by blue state telecommuters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 15, 2021, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!

The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/

Newsflash to Cenk Uygur:  I am a conservative.  I just took #2 Phizer covid-19 vaccine shot yesterday.

P. S. Herr Uygur:  another morsel of agony for you to chew on:  I OWN LOTS OF GUNS!!!!! >:D [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on April 15, 2021, 07:14:57 PM
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P R O G R E S S  !

I noticed they just removed all the 6-foot social distancing floor stickies at my local King Soopers (Kroger, City Market) checkout lines.

The County now allows you to not wear a mask outdoors if you're not in a social gathering.
----------------------
S H A M E !

A local Burger KIng now has the dining room open, but some bizarro line regulations with taped "barricades" guiding "them" (meaning me and thee) around in a safe manner.  What irks me off is that the entry way is by the handicapped pakrking, but that's not the exit door they want everybody to go out of.  That door is all the way to hell and gone on the other side of the building.  I said pisonit and me and my trusty cane exited by the "Entrance Only" doors near where I handicapped-parked.

I'm a ba-a-a-a-a-d widdle boy.

But it was funny to see all the rigamarole.
 
Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
Who eats at Burger King?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on April 15, 2021, 07:32:01 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
Who eats at Burger King?

Me eats at Burger King, that's whom.  My actual favorite is Wendy's, but it's a trifle out of my usual erranding route.  Burger King has a pretty good little side salad which helps me to meet my Green Leafy Food intake minimum daily requirement.

Jeeze, and they accuse me of starting thread drifts.  Sheeesh !
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 07:40:59 PM
Quote from: 230RN on April 15, 2021, 07:32:01 PM


Jeeze, and they accuse me of starting thread drifts.  Sheeesh !

This thread has drifted across 6 lanes of traffic and back again from time to time.   :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 15, 2021, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 15, 2021, 12:05:02 PM

This guy is an idiot. We're getting swarmed by blue state telecommuters.

Ditto for Texas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on April 15, 2021, 07:51:28 PM
A new BK opened next to the local Walmart a couple weeks ago.  DW & I stopped on the way home the other day - reminded me why it'd been uncountable years since I'd last eaten at BK.

I too prefer Wendy's, I was getting a triple burger there before they added it to the menu.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on April 15, 2021, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on April 15, 2021, 06:58:16 PM
Newsflash to Cenk Uygur:  I am a conservative.  I just took #2 Phizer covid-19 vaccine shot yesterday.

P. S. Herr Uygur:  another morsel of agony for you to chew on:  I OWN LOTS OF GUNS!!!!! >:D [popcorn]

Me, too.  The funny thing about his red state supposition is that it's the exact opposite of what one would expect, from what little I know about this stuff.

After all, blue states are characterized by high population density, red states are just the opposite.  And what is one of the major components of disease transmission?  You guessed it, proximity of person to person... in other words, population density.

Nyah-nyah on you, Cenk Uygur !  At least, that's what the voices in my head are saying.

[popcorn]

Terry, 230RN



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 15, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 15, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Avoid the red states
If you're that stupid I say good, stay out!

The voices in Cenk Uygur’s head are telling him ‘people’ are avoiding red states because Republicans and conservatives are a COVID19 ‘death cult’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/15/the-voices-in-cenk-uygurs-head-are-telling-him-people-are-avoiding-red-states-because-republicans-and-conservatives-are-a-covid19-death-cult/

Cenk just needs something to replace the failed narrative of a Texas Covid-pocalypse. So he's made something up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on April 16, 2021, 12:08:29 PM
I drove through the more sane states while going to my uncle's memorial service.

In Illinois, masks are required, but no one in the downstate was enforcing it.
In Indiana, masks are "required" by the big corporations (e.g. hotels) but the locals don't enforce or abide by it. Independent gas station had a sign "masks are not required, but we recommend them!" Also no one wore a mask.
In Ohio, masks are required, but no one was enforcing it in the sane areas.
In West Virginia, masks are required and government workers will look angrily at you for ignoring it, but also won't stop you. The big corporations "require" masks, so the locals wear them on their chin while working.

I'm glad to see people realizing the folly of our "betters".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 16, 2021, 12:49:59 PM
Budweiser offers a free "beer" to anyone who can prove they've been vaccinated:

https://idahonews.com/news/offbeat/budweiser-giving-away-free-beer-to-those-who-get-the-covid-19-vaccine

Since it's Budweiser, I'm not sure how much of an incentive that is.   :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2021, 02:15:04 PM

Free donuts; free beer - I remember a whole year ago, when the incentive for getting a vaccine was, ya know, not getting sick. Between these incentives, and the messaging that you can't let your guard, or your mask, down after vaccination, it seems like "the science" says vaccines don't work, but you're morally obligated to have them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 17, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
Shots every year?

Quote
Chief Medical Officer Dr. Jason Smith at UofL Health said it appears, no matter the vaccine, a booster will be needed yearly. He added that by the end of the year, there should be a clearer picture of when the boosters will be needed.

COVID-19 shots likely here to stay; research points to need for yearly boosters
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/16/covid-shots-likely-here-stay-research-points-need-yearly-boosters/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2021, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 17, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
Shots every year?

COVID-19 shots likely here to stay; research points to need for yearly boosters
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/16/covid-shots-likely-here-stay-research-points-need-yearly-boosters/

I haven't seen anything, and I wonder if guidance will change in a year, but am curious if in a year from now I could just go get the booster, having had covid, but not having had the initial vaccine? Or even if people who haven't had either covid, or the initial vaccine, might in a year or two just be told to get the booster, the same as they get the annual flu shot?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 17, 2021, 06:48:59 PM
I think this is all speculation at this point in time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 17, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
It makes sense to me (not a medic of any sort but an engineer) that we'll have yearly boosters for this for a while.  Just like the annual flu shots we have now.  I think Covid is with us for a long time, but will quickly be just an annoyance like the common cold.  Maybe even less than the cold because of the vaccine.  That is, it the politics will ever take a back seat.

I'm wondering if the mRNA vaccine research this has prompted might accelerate things like cancer treatments?  I just visited with a college buddy a few days ago who has stage 4 prostate cancer.  (he's doing good right now but the prognosis long-term is grim) Thinking that might be treatable with a vaccine someday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on April 17, 2021, 11:24:41 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on April 17, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
It makes sense to me (not a medic of any sort but an engineer) that we'll have yearly boosters for this for a while.  Just like the annual flu shots we have now.  I think Covid is with us for a long time, but will quickly be just an annoyance like the common cold.  Maybe even less than the cold because of the vaccine.  That is, it the politics will ever take a back seat.

I'm wondering if the mRNA vaccine research this has prompted might accelerate things like cancer treatments?  I just visited with a college buddy a few days ago who has stage 4 prostate cancer.  (he's doing good right now but the prognosis long-term is grim) Thinking that might be treatable with a vaccine someday.

Well, I'm not saying we won't need yearly boosters, we might.  I'm just saying that, right now, we really don't know.  If we do I will worry about it next year.

I've never had a flu shot before,  but in September 2020 I finally did get one.  So if it turns out we need a ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - oooops, covid 19 yearly booster,  big deal I'll just get that too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Time for your booster

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fres.cloudinary.com%2Fjerrick%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Ff_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cc_fit%2Cw_600%2Fgtedpdz4603qgeohf6gg&f=1&nofb=1)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2021, 02:09:24 PM
Enjoy

‘All Jim ever wanted to be was an astronaut’: Year-long thread chronicles the depths of COVID-19 fashion and lifestyle
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/17/all-jim-ever-wanted-to-be-was-an-astronaut-year-long-thread-chronicles-the-depths-of-covid-19-fashion-and-lifestyle/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 21, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
Don't wear a mask when the camera is on you, but make sure you put them on during commercial breaks:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/21/absolutely-ridiculous-reported-mask-policy-for-celebs-attending-academy-awards-just-reeks-of-science/

 ;/ ;/ ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 21, 2021, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Ben on April 21, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
Don't wear a mask when the camera is on you, but make sure you put them on during commercial breaks:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/21/absolutely-ridiculous-reported-mask-policy-for-celebs-attending-academy-awards-just-reeks-of-science/

 ;/ ;/ ;/


They just reveeled how their spreading teh ronna!!11 It's in the commerciuls!!!!111111 Don't watch teh mershals!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 22, 2021, 05:48:03 PM
Sen. Rand Paul says President Biden should 'burn his mask' on TV if he wants public to get vaxxed
https://www.wdrb.com/news/sen-rand-paul-says-president-biden-should-burn-his-mask-on-tv-if-he-wants/article_3823e88c-a394-11eb-93cb-8b50fdb1e28a.html

(https://i.imgur.com/3HnJg43.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 23, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
What's wrong with this picture?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzqKa5tXMAMTj4s?format=jpg&name=medium)

Follow the science!

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/23/wtg-president-short-bus-a-fully-vaccinated-biden-shows-up-as-the-only-masked-world-leader-during-zoom-call-and-people-have-thoughts/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 23, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
Easier to pull off a ringer if they are wearing a mask.
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 23, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Maybe the mask catches the drool. Next, he'll start wearing a tinted face shield, so it won't be so embarrassing when he nods off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on April 23, 2021, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 23, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
Easier to pull off a ringer if they are wearing a mask.
 [tinfoil]

Hillary already tried the body double thing back in 2016 so it wouldn't surprise in the least.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
So apparently covid is running rampant in India, and the Indian government asked Twitter to remove tweets, including those of Indian Legislators, that were critical of the government. Twitter complied.

Kinda ties into the censorship threads, but as I have always said, when Twitter first came out, and before it turned into a dumpster fire, I thought it was a good structure for messages in emergencies, inside hostile regimes, etc. Turns out not so much when the people who run the software will happily comply with governments wanting to put the kibosh on free speech.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/04/25/jonathan-turley-calls-out-twitter-for-censoring-critics-of-the-indian-governments-handling-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 27, 2021, 12:11:45 PM
There has been a great deal of censorship around COVID-19 all in the cause of eliminating "misinformation". 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 27, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
Are people still wearing masked everywhere in your area? 

Since Texas removed the restrictions they had, the only two places locally that are still requiring masks are the grocery store and Buc-ees.  Most places it has become voluntary.  Some still wear a mask, others don't.  Visiting Academy lately, it is around 50/50, maybe less.  Very few people are wearing masks outside, but few did that before.

Sunday, I was out on a walk and saw a young guy jogging with a mask.  He was wearing what looked like a weighted backpack so I assume he had reasons.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on April 27, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Governor Brown still has her reich on lock down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2021, 06:29:27 PM
In most of the places I visit in Idaho, people at the very least are pretty much not wearing masks outside, and other than "mandatory" places like Costco, a lot fewer people are wearing them inside. There are plenty of places that still have the "mandatory" sign on the front door, but they (unlike Costco) are not enforcing it.

Unmasked people in those places are not attacked by Karens, and masked people are also left alone to wear their mask if that's what they want. I seem to see the same philosophy in Easter Oregon, though as KGB mentioned, there are still state mandates there so I see more people in masks. No real enforcement though.

This week I am in CA, and it was almost a shock to see everyone outside everywhere with masks. I have not been following that, but am way in the minority. I also see a lot of people driving alone in their cars with a mask on. I'm already irritated in having to constantly walk back to my car to get a mask because I was going into a place where no one cares in ID, but you get accosted here.

Just three hours ago, I was helping my 93 year old aunt walk into the restaurant where we were having a get together group lunch in a private room, and the hostess told me I had to go back out and get a mask. As I was holding my aunt up at the time, I ignored her and continued walking the 20 stinking feet into our reserved room, where she said we didn't need a mask.

The Best Westerns in Nevada have been sticklers for masks at the registration desk, and said you need them everywhere outside of your room, but other than the front desk, I was blowing that off and no one has said anything.

Anyway, it has been weird seeing the variance, especially between ID and CA.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 27, 2021, 07:00:56 PM
If you get censored, it means you were doing something to make you worth censoring...
 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 29, 2021, 11:00:45 PM
Only someone else's money

Video shows pallets of ventilators dumped in Miami-Dade landfill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPw19AGleDI
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 30, 2021, 05:25:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 27, 2021, 06:29:27 PM
In most of the places I visit in Idaho, people at the very least are pretty much not wearing masks outside, and other than "mandatory" places like Costco, a lot fewer people are wearing them inside. There are plenty of places that still have the "mandatory" sign on the front door, but they (unlike Costco) are not enforcing it.

Unmasked people in those places are not attacked by Karens, and masked people are also left alone to wear their mask if that's what they want. I seem to see the same philosophy in Easter Oregon, though as KGB mentioned, there are still state mandates there so I see more people in masks. No real enforcement though.

This week I am in CA, and it was almost a shock to see everyone outside everywhere with masks. I have not been following that, but am way in the minority. I also see a lot of people driving alone in their cars with a mask on. I'm already irritated in having to constantly walk back to my car to get a mask because I was going into a place where no one cares in ID, but you get accosted here.

Just three hours ago, I was helping my 93 year old aunt walk into the restaurant where we were having a get together group lunch in a private room, and the hostess told me I had to go back out and get a mask. As I was holding my aunt up at the time, I ignored her and continued walking the 20 stinking feet into our reserved room, where she said we didn't need a mask.

The Best Westerns in Nevada have been sticklers for masks at the registration desk, and said you need them everywhere outside of your room, but other than the front desk, I was blowing that off and no one has said anything.

Anyway, it has been weird seeing the variance, especially between ID and CA.

The ones wearing a mask outside away from other people and in their car are insufferable virtue signaling *expletive deleted*s. Like my wife’s cousin...she’s in her early 30s and perfectly healthy but is so far stuck up the donkey party’s ass that she did not leave the house for a year until she got a vaccine a month ago out of fear and virtue signaling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
I saw a similar headline pop up this morning and went looking for links.  Not the usual news sources and the articles are a bit opinionated.  Have any of you seen anything similar.  I am curious about some of the claims like that no one has fully isolated the virus.

The Virus Is Fictitious.” CDC Sued by 7 Universities’ Scientists for Huge Fraud
https://italytravelideas.com/the-virus-is-fictitious-cdc-sued-by-7-universities-scientists-for-huge-fraud/

Laboratories in US can’t find Covid-19 in one of 1,500 positive tests
https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on May 05, 2021, 09:45:33 AM
I don't believe COVID-19 is just regular influenza with a scary name.  I've never had anosmia from the flu.  And the flu usually hits me harder.

It is entirely possible infection rates are overblown or deaths misattributed, but I don't believe that COVID is an outright scam.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2021, 09:47:01 AM
https://nycdailypost.com/2021/05/01/us/covid-lockdowns-cost-countless-jobs-dont-appear-to-have-saved-lives-study/
COVID lockdowns cost countless jobs, don’t appear to have saved lives: study

This is more like what I have seen lately.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: cordex on May 05, 2021, 09:45:33 AM
I don't believe COVID-19 is just regular influenza with a scary name.  I've never had anosmia from the flu.  And the flu usually hits me harder.

It is entirely possible infection rates are overblown or deaths misattributed, but I don't believe that COVID is an outright scam.
I guess that is why I said they were a bit opinionated.  Links like that might have useful facts, but hurt themselves when they immediately jump to conclusions without presenting their case.

I was curious about the claim that the virus had not be fully isolated among other stuff.  I am not sure if there are better links exploring that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 05, 2021, 10:19:54 AM
Whatever was buzzing around and getting folks sick was apparently something a bit out of the ordinary.

A Filipino friend I've known for well over a decade got floored by it worse than any flu he'd ever had and it took several weeks for him to get over the fatigue. While he is an active cyclist he still has hypertension, maybe the hypertension made it worse? Maybe his race was a factor? His wife (white) on the other hand had minor cold symptoms and probably would have gone to work during a normal year. She also has a history of eating healthy and being fit, maybe that helped?

Not much about the whole Covid thing makes any sense. We're obviously being lied to about a whole host of stuff. How are we supposed to suss out the truth when all of our "authorities" have been caught lying to us repeatedly? There is so much incoherence to the official story and so many damning facts to cast doubt (and fear) about what is going on that I'm fatigued even trying to ascertain what's really happening. 

After going down many rabbit holes I've come to the conclusion I don't need to know the truth about covid, I just need to start organizing my life in a way to insulate myself from the liars and grifters as much as possible.

Yes, the red pill sucks. It's better than living in a matrix of lies though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on May 05, 2021, 10:45:09 AM
FYI -

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-pathologist-claims-coronavirus-is-the-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-on-an-unsuspecting-public/?fbclid=IwAR3rkJyXsHcboQHdtaDb08g8vQTAKEEpKRMNKBl1J_A_A-aueQ5hVnOQ7rA

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-vax-passports-may-lead-to-totalitarian-control-of-entire-population-forever?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=6ab0dfb752-Freedom_4_29_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-6ab0dfb752-411673518
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 05, 2021, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: cordex on May 05, 2021, 09:45:33 AM
I don't believe COVID-19 is just regular influenza with a scary name.  I've never had anosmia from the flu.  And the flu usually hits me harder.

It is entirely possible infection rates are overblown or deaths misattributed, but I don't believe that COVID is an outright scam.


I don't think any rational person believes it is an outright scam.
Yes, it is a nasty bug and it sickened and killed many people. I do not for one second believe we will ever know, or even be able to know, the actual fatality rate of the virus.
I do strongly believe that it was politicized and overhyped early on. In the US it was in large part used as a weapon against Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 05, 2021, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 05, 2021, 12:04:42 PM

I don't think any rational person believes it is an outright scam.
Yes, it is a nasty bug and it sickened and killed many people. I do not for one second believe we will ever know, or even be able to know, the actual fatality rate of the virus.
I do strongly believe that it was politicized and overhyped early on. In the US it was in large part used as a weapon against Trump.
I would agree there is something going around that is making people sick that is out of the ordinary.  However, there has been a great deal of political BS heaped on top of it.  That invites all sorts of speculation.  It doesn't help that govt bureaucrats often seem to default information to secret.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2021, 01:54:50 PM
Michigan Gov. Whitmer to receive ‘Profile in Covid Courage’ award, John James suggests more fitting accolades
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/06/michigan-gov-whitmer-to-receive-profile-in-covid-courage-award-john-james-suggests-more-fitting-accolades/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
WTF?

https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1389773171826601984/photo/1
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 06, 2021, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 05, 2021, 03:46:55 PM
I would agree there is something going around that is making people sick that is out of the ordinary.  However, there has been a great deal of political BS heaped on top of it.  That invites all sorts of speculation.  It doesn't help that govt bureaucrats often seem to default information to secret.

It was basically a perfect storm of propaganda. The Chinese needed to erase a lot of Hong Kong protesters. They blamed a nasty variant of the common cold, did a bunch of B-movie video that looks like your basic zombpocalypse opening credits sequence, and... Our media bought it.
 
And sold it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on May 07, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
I've been thinking about the reports that the SARS-2 or Covid-19 or whatever it's called virus has never actually been identified. I don't know if it's true or not.

If it is true it would explain why the tests are so inaccurate (if in fact the reports of their inaccuracy are true) and would explain why we don't know if having the virus or vaccine actually confers immunity (if in fact it's true that we don't know if immunity is conferred or for how long.) In writing this, I've realized why I haven't commented much on this situation; it's just too hard to make all these qualifications.

Also if it's true that the virus hasn't actually been isolated and identified, and if it's true that this is a man-made virus, the fact that it disintegrates in such a way to be essentially un-identifiable would be a great design.

I don't think I've ever written anything so "iffy" in my life. . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2021, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: Bogie on May 06, 2021, 07:18:21 PM

It was basically a perfect storm of propaganda. The Chinese needed to erase a lot of Hong Kong protesters. They blamed a nasty variant of the common cold, did a bunch of B-movie video that looks like your basic zombpocalypse opening credits sequence, and... Our media bought it.
 
And sold it.

Do you really believe this InfoWars level bullshit?

How do you explain the other countries that are getting hit with a fast spreading, pretty nasty, respiratory disease?  Has the PLA infiltrated Europe and Southwest Asia to stage more backing video?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 07, 2021, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: dogmush on May 07, 2021, 11:10:38 AM
Do you really believe this InfoWars level bullshit?

How do you explain the other countries that are getting hit with a fast spreading, pretty nasty, respiratory disease?  Has the PLA infiltrated Europe and Southwest Asia to stage more backing video?
Do you believe everything the media is telling you?  Do you agree that a lot of contrary information/questions are being suppressed rather than simply answered or addressed? 

I bring this stuff up as a discussion point.  The infowars opinions mean little to me.  I am just curious if some of the facts they bring up are true or not.  I realize that sometimes they are right and sometimes it is heavily exaggerated if not untrue ...... sort of like the regular media. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 07, 2021, 11:45:05 AM
Do you believe everything the media is telling you?  Do you agree that a lot of contrary information/questions are being suppressed rather than simply answered or addressed? 

I bring this stuff up as a discussion point.  The infowars opinions mean little to me.  I am just curious if some of the facts they bring up are true or not.  I realize that sometimes they are right and sometimes it is heavily exaggerated if not untrue ...... sort of like the regular media.

No, as I have said repeatedly, I don't believe everything the media says.  That's why I quoted Bogie's post.  Specifically.  What he posted is laughably easy to disprove from literally hundreds of primary sources.  It's not a discussion point, it's a delusion.

Obviously, I think we have proven ad nauseum over the past year that a you can't take a story from the news, even multiple news outlets, at 100% face value.  (FWIW, it's my opinion this is not actually new to 2020, or even much more prevalent then in the past.  Remember the Maine!!)  But approaching the news with a healthy skepticism and searching for your own primary sources is a looooooong way from thinking a worldwide pandemic is a PLA propaganda piece. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on May 07, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on May 07, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
I've been thinking about the reports that the SARS-2 or Covid-19 or whatever it's called virus has never actually been identified. I don't know if it's true or not.

If it is true it would explain why the tests are so inaccurate (if in fact the reports of their inaccuracy are true) and would explain why we don't know if having the virus or vaccine actually confers immunity (if in fact it's true that we don't know if immunity is conferred or for how long.) In writing this, I've realized why I haven't commented much on this situation; it's just too hard to make all these qualifications.

Also if it's true that the virus hasn't actually been isolated and identified, and if it's true that this is a man-made virus, the fact that it disintegrates in such a way to be essentially un-identifiable would be a great design.

I don't think I've ever written anything so "iffy" in my life. . . . .

There are some technical aspects of that terminology that have some specific meanings.

I think what hasn't happened is isolation AND purification.

This is technical stuff that is above my paygrade, not sure of the ramifications/meaning.

The whole covid-19 thing is rife with misinformation and propaganda all over the place.

Here is what I know,

1- there is a respiratory illness going around world
2- it started in China
3- politicians and partisans "weaponized" it (metaphorically) for their own purposes
4- governments instituted unscientific responses to the spread of the illness
5- the media monetized the illness for profit and partisan purposes
6- pharmaceutical companies monetized the illness for profit by rushing out questionable vaccines with government(s) encouragement and legal cover
7- the illness is running its course, like similar illness throughout history
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 08, 2021, 10:06:05 AM
You may ask why is a link on rising gas prices being put in this thread?
Well because of that pesty little virus

SCIENCE! Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm floats theory for why gas prices are rising fast
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/08/science-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm-floats-theory-for-why-gas-prices-are-rising-fast/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 08, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: fifth_column on May 07, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
I've been thinking about the reports that the SARS-2 or Covid-19 or whatever it's called virus has never actually been identified. I don't know if it's true or not.

If it is true it would explain why the tests are so inaccurate (if in fact the reports of their inaccuracy are true) and would explain why we don't know if having the virus or vaccine actually confers immunity (if in fact it's true that we don't know if immunity is conferred or for how long.) In writing this, I've realized why I haven't commented much on this situation; it's just too hard to make all these qualifications.

Also if it's true that the virus hasn't actually been isolated and identified, and if it's true that this is a man-made virus, the fact that it disintegrates in such a way to be essentially un-identifiable would be a great design.

I don't think I've ever written anything so "iffy" in my life. . . . .

Quote from: Ron on May 07, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
There are some technical aspects of that terminology that have some specific meanings.

I think what hasn't happened is isolation AND purification.

This is technical stuff that is above my paygrade, not sure of the ramifications/meaning.

The whole covid-19 thing is rife with misinformation and propaganda all over the place.

Here is what I know,

1- there is a respiratory illness going around world
2- it started in China
3- politicians and partisans "weaponized" it (metaphorically) for their own purposes
4- governments instituted unscientific responses to the spread of the illness
5- the media monetized the illness for profit and partisan purposes
6- pharmaceutical companies monetized the illness for profit by rushing out questionable vaccines with government(s) encouragement and legal cover
7- the illness is running its course, like similar illness throughout history

Seems like no matter how nasty the tune, if it is festooned upon a band wagon, there will be many a player willing and eager to jump on board with their own tooter and deleterious lyrics to cajole and frighten enough people so they can profit from mass hysteria. Prey upon the people's ignorance to blow the problem completely out of proportion, "invent/promote" the cure, and secure status as a hero. They'll be set for life.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on May 08, 2021, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 08, 2021, 10:06:05 AM
You may ask why is a link on rising gas prices being put in this thread?
Well because of that pesty little virus

SCIENCE! Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm floats theory for why gas prices are rising fast
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/08/science-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm-floats-theory-for-why-gas-prices-are-rising-fast/


I'm actually kind of shocked that she didn't try to claim it's a combination of white privilege and no gun laws in the US.

What an idiot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 08, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
From Ron:

Quote
Here is what I know,

1- there is a respiratory illness going around world
2- it started in China
3- politicians and partisans "weaponized" it (metaphorically) for their own purposes
4- governments instituted unscientific responses to the spread of the illness
5- the media monetized the illness for profit and partisan purposes
6- pharmaceutical companies monetized the illness for profit by rushing out questionable vaccines with government(s) encouragement and legal cover
7- the illness is running its course, like similar illness throughout history

That's pretty much the same tunnel I'm looking through at that pinpoint of light waaaayyyyy far away wondering if it's daylight or another train.

So I took my shots with almost zero side effects, which made me think maybe I had an early case of C19 way back in September-October of 2019, which was the worst case of "flu" I ever had.  So I dutifully wear my mask even though it irritates my right ear a lot and I can't whistle, spit, or blow chewing gum bubbles while wearing it.  Pre-mask, I never realized I did that.

All I can say is if it is a Grand Fraud (there's a lot of profit being made from it) and solid evidence thereof is developed, I am going to turn from a mild-mannered senior citizen into a raging fury and the hell with my mmHg.

But no sense in wasting that energy now.

Terry
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 08, 2021, 05:25:39 PM
Just for funnies, when I go in for my annual med exam, lube, and tire rotation this August, I'll ask the doc to check for Covid antibodies along with the usual blood/urine samples. Being type "O", I guess it's possible I had it and didn't know it.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 08, 2021, 10:10:30 PM
No this isn't from the Babylon Bee

Los Angeles Times: COVID-19 has ‘brought into sharp focus’ the battle against the fat acceptance movement
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/08/los-angeles-times-covid-19-has-brought-into-sharp-focus-the-battle-against-the-fat-acceptance-movement/
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Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2021, 07:24:54 AM
According to that article I'm a "Person of size."

Jesus Christ...  :facepalm:
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Post by: Ben on May 09, 2021, 08:10:52 AM
The party of science. How dare a medical professional insinuate that someone with a BMI of 40 is not healthy? I'm not a big follower of BMI as the borderline obese BMIs don't take a lot of physiological factors into account, but once you're in the 40 range, it's pretty obvious that your weight and composition are negatively affecting your health.

I also found it funny that the one quoted individual wants to be called "fat". Ten years ago, the same person would have said that was an insult.
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Post by: 230RN on May 09, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
I've noticed a couple of revisions of "standard" tests recently.  Some major study of body temps over the world indicated the new "normal" body temp was 97.8 or something like that instead of 98.6.

They've also dropped the alarm bell limits for blood pressure.  Seems like for normal folks now it's below 120/x and I always thought normal was around 130/x, if my geriatric memory serves.

Why, that's a whole two-tenths of a PSI lower !

The "crisis" level seems to have been lowered, too.

Now, you wouldn't suspect the Medical Industry would have lowered these limits just to create more Business, would you?  Naaaah.

That's geriatric paranoia talk, Terry.

:rofl:

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Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on May 09, 2021, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: 230RN on May 09, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
I've noticed a couple of revisions of "standard" tests recently.  Some major study of body temps over the world indicated the new "normal" body temp was 97.8 or something like that instead of 98.6.

They've also dropped the alarm bell limits for blood pressure.  Seems like for normal folks now it's below 120/x and I always thought normal was around 130/x, if my geriatric memory serves.

Why, that's a whole two-tenths of a PSI lower !

The "crisis" level seems to have been lowered, too.

Now, you wouldn't suspect the Medical Industry would have lowered these limits just to create more Business, would you?  Naaaah.

That's geriatric paranoia talk, Terry.

:rofl:

Not too long ago, "normal" was 140/X.

I'm just happy to have blood pressure.

Woody
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Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2021, 09:10:54 AM
Guy estimates 25k per day dying in India from C19
Can't verify any of his numbers so take with a grain of salt

https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1391238136219512833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1391238136219512833%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2021%2F05%2F09%2Fdean-of-brown-univ-school-of-public-health-estimates-the-death-toll-from-covid-19-in-india-at-25k-to-50k-per-day%2F
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Post by: Jim147 on May 10, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
I know a couple guys in India. They said it got really bad after the general election and is not letting up.
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Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2021, 11:00:39 AM
In the replies

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SydeleyHawkins
@Sydeley_Hawkins
·
May 8
Replying to
@ashishkjha
 and
@neal_katyal
then India must learn from US. Elect a sane person, death rates go wayyyy down
But India loves Modi

 :rofl: :facepalm:
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Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
When they think the cameras are off https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1391112010599911424
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Post by: Ben on May 13, 2021, 04:42:45 PM
I wonder if this means freakin' Costco will finally drop their mask rule, now that the head libs say it's okay? Costco is the only place left that I go where they still enforce the mask rule. Other places still have signs up, but hardly anyone, including employees, is wearing them. Other than in Boise because of the lame mayor there.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/05/13/omg-no-way-really-cdc-and-biden-finally-admit-vaccine-works-vaccinated-people-can-take-their-masks-off-under-new-guidance/
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Post by: MillCreek on May 13, 2021, 05:11:34 PM
I already dread explaining to people that the new CDC guidance says to still wear masks at the clinics and hospitals.
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Post by: Ben on May 13, 2021, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 13, 2021, 05:11:34 PM
I already dread explaining to people that the new CDC guidance says to still wear masks at the clinics and hospitals.

That I can see. Honestly, if there's a good side to covid, it will be that more people wear masks when they go to the doctor or hospital for anything. Pre-covid, I always dreaded going in for my physical because of all the sick people hacking and coughing and sneezing in the waiting room. I wouldn't at all mind there being a mask rule at the doctor's office. Or segregated waiting rooms like at the vet, where if your dog is sick you have to go through a separate door so the other dogs don't get sick too.
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Post by: Ben on May 14, 2021, 10:14:28 AM
How about everyone being issued a QR code? That sounds reasonable, right?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/05/14/my-god-do-you-hear-yourself-both-the-right-and-the-left-torch-jill-filipovic-for-demanding-people-be-forced-to-get-vaccine-passports-now/

Whichever side of the issue you are on, the geographic and cultural differences on this have been fascinating to watch. I was recently talking to a former coworker from California, and she about got mad at me because I wasn't wearing a mask everywhere. She could not fathom how someone could do that.

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Post by: MechAg94 on May 14, 2021, 02:17:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zNbypzA.jpg?1)
Don't forget your life preserver.
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Post by: Snowdog on May 15, 2021, 01:04:56 AM
I'm about as conservative as one can get.  I do give credence to some of the more realistic conspiracies out there and I have suspicions of my own that some could describe as preposterous.  I'll keep those to myself.

However, both my wife and I work within the medical profession and I can tell you without a shadow of any doubt Covid is real.  We have seen many (many!) more people suffer and die of respiratory failure in 2020 and 2021 than any event some 20 years prior. More than many of the previous years combined.

It honestly chafes me when folks ape the views/opinions/suspicions of social media so-called experts claiming this is nothing more, or more severe, than the flu. 

If it wasn't for HIPAA, I would love to share some of the horrors we've been seeing daily in the ICU units (and units turned into ad hoc ICU units) to dispel this absolute BS.  In the years I've been in this profession, never have I seen influenza, gastroenteritis or pneumonia outbreaks have an impact even slightly similar to this.  Where this ultimately came from or whether it was a mistake or intentional aside, this is something absolutely real and concerning.

On the bright side, the current numbers are a fraction of what they were and I'd like to think we're all but out of the woods.  All the temporary Covid wings both at my primary employment and another hospital where I'm PRN, have closed.  Both hospitals have ICU beds available. 
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Post by: Ben on May 15, 2021, 09:00:41 AM
I just read that both Costco and Walmart have dropped their mask requirements. Hopefully Costco doesn't stop the "old guy" hours - I've become accustomed to getting in and out with no one in line in front of me. Almost makes it worth the mask!  :laugh:
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Post by: MechAg94 on May 15, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Snowdog on May 15, 2021, 01:04:56 AM
I'm about as conservative as one can get.  I do give credence to some of the more realistic conspiracies out there and I have suspicions of my own that some could describe as preposterous.  I'll keep those to myself.

However, both my wife and I work within the medical profession and I can tell you without a shadow of any doubt Covid is real.  We have seen many (many!) more people suffer and die of respiratory failure in 2020 and 2021 than any event some 20 years prior. More than many of the previous years combined.

It honestly chafes me when folks ape the views/opinions/suspicions of social media so-called experts claiming this is nothing more, or more severe, than the flu. 

If it wasn't for HIPAA, I would love to share some of the horrors we've been seeing daily in the ICU units (and units turned into ad hoc ICU units) to dispel this absolute BS.  In the years I've been in this profession, never have I seen influenza, gastroenteritis or pneumonia outbreaks have an impact even slightly similar to this.  Where this ultimately came from or whether it was a mistake or intentional aside, this is something absolutely real and concerning.

On the bright side, the current numbers are a fraction of what they were and I'd like to think we're all but out of the woods.  All the temporary Covid wings both at my primary employment and another hospital where I'm PRN, have closed.  Both hospitals have ICU beds available.
I know people who have been hit hard by it.  I think most know there is a reality beneath the politics.  However, when politicians insert their agendas into things to take advantage of the crisis, disbelief and suspicion are natural results.  It doesn't matter how real the issue is. 
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Post by: cordex on May 15, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 15, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
I know people who have been hit hard by it.  I think most know there is a reality beneath the politics.  However, when politicians insert their agendas into things to take advantage of the crisis, disbelief and suspicion are natural results.  It doesn't matter how real the issue is. 
Right.
The September 11 attacks were real.
The government overreach that followed was still underhanded and authoritarian and the endless wars that followed (and were encouraged by both parties, despite some modern claims to the contrary) were an awful waste of American blood and treasure ... but also did do some good in some areas for some people.
The claims that the government “did 9/11” were wrong and stupid, but pushing back against PATRIOT act or Iraq war was not a rejection of the reality of the attack.
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Post by: Pb on May 15, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
I wore a mask in shops etc until I got my shots.  Who knows if it did any good, but I never got sick.  Now I don't wear it unless I am forced to. 
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Post by: JTHunter on May 15, 2021, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: Pb on May 15, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
I wore a mask in shops etc until I got my shots.  Who knows if it did any good, but I never got sick.  Now I don't wear it unless I am forced to.

In the past 15 months, the only times I have worn a mask is when I took my elderly parent to their doctor or went to my own.  Despite the fact that I nearly passed out AT my doctor's office late last summer because of wearing the mask, they are so inflexible that they appear to be in favor of risking my life and health (from falling) than exempting me from a mask.  Having a partially collapsed lung is no excuse for them to make an exception.
The rest of the time, at grocers, "big box stores", etc., I haven't worn a mask.  This is despite the so-called experts claiming that I have 3 co-morbidities - age, weight, and high blood pressure.  And I do all the shopping for both myself AND that elderly parent, NOR do I have any intention of being a "guinea pig" for their experimentation !
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Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2021, 06:33:47 PM
Quote
Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie
·
12h
“As the masks go away, a lot of Americans are going to miss the ability to classify, shame, and despise one another at first sight.”
-novelist Walter Kirn
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1393507556748931073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3R3ZWV0X2VtYmVkX2NsaWNrYWJpbGl0eV8xMjEwMiI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250cm9sIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
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Post by: Ben on May 18, 2021, 10:30:52 AM
Looks like those of us who have always thought there was an extremely high probability of this being a Wuhan Lab leak - whether accidental, test, or China got what they wanted out of it - can start saying, "We told you so".

Interesting how the MSM went from making fun of anyone who thought this was anthropogenically introduced to now running OMG headlines.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/05/18/gtfoh-jonathan-chait-pretending-his-publication-didnt-treat-the-covid-lab-leak-story-like-a-crazy-conspiracy-backfires-thanks-to-his-own-tweet/
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Post by: Ben on May 18, 2021, 01:25:10 PM
Kamala Harris on Twitter:

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Get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do.

Response:

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Are women allowed to remove their mask briefly to advance their career like you did?

 :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/05/18/visit-the-border-and-ill-consider-it-kamala-harris-demanding-tweeps-get-vaccinated-or-wear-a-mask-does-not-go-over-well-like-at-all/
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Post by: Angel Eyes on May 19, 2021, 10:17:02 PM
Doctors in India warn that covering oneself in cow dung will not protect against COVID-19:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBFtOB86Js


Well no *expletive deleted*it.
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Post by: WLJ on May 19, 2021, 10:18:53 PM
Should work because no one will come near them.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 19, 2021, 10:20:31 PM
Does anyone else recall the Asian gentleman roaming Italy, just before the outbreak there, offering free hugs?

Just checking.
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Post by: Ben on May 21, 2021, 01:01:34 PM
I can confirm no masks needed at Costco anymore.

Yesterday I did my first "running errands in Boise and stopping downtown for a burger and beer" routine since this started last year. Cabelas made their employees mask up. Half the customers were masked, half weren't. They had a social distancing sign out, but no mask sign. The german store had a sign out that said (paraphrasing) "The Mayor* no longer requires masks. Customers may wear them if they choose, but we will not be enforcing masks in the store." No one in the store, customers or staff, wore masks.

At the brewpub, all the employees were masked up, and most of the customers walked in with masks, then took them off when they sat down. I entered maskless and had no problem. I think I mentioned earlier one of my favorite brewpubs was still enforcing masks because of their crybaby employees, so I'm not visiting them.

*The Boise Mayor would like Boise to be like Portland, and with the demographics in Boise these days, I could see why people were still wearing masks there even with no mandate. At my Costco, in another county, hardly any customers wore masks. "Mask or no mask" seems to be very geographic around here right now.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
The St Charles MO Bass Pro is like the Cabelas you describe, except that nearly all the customers were wearing masks the last few times I was there. Weird.
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Post by: K Frame on May 21, 2021, 01:25:20 PM
The Giant grocery store I shop at took its mask signs down (I stopped in yesterday evening), but most people were wearing masks.

I saw one guy shopping without one; I commended him on his bravery given that mask Karens and Nazis are still roaming in force... he chuckled.

I'll probably try going sans mask this weekend.



Maybe... just maybe... salad bars will finally come back.
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Post by: MechAg94 on May 21, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U77MA42hrHA
Definitely NOT a Cult
Paul Joseph Watson

This one is pretty good...... and accurate.
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Post by: charby on May 21, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
Iowa is now mask free

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/20/covidkim-trends-again-as-iowa-governor-reynolds-signs-face-mask-mandate-ban/?sh=64245b7f140d
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Post by: MechAg94 on May 21, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: charby on May 21, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
Iowa is now mask free

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/20/covidkim-trends-again-as-iowa-governor-reynolds-signs-face-mask-mandate-ban/?sh=64245b7f140d
Should have also banned masks.   =)
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Post by: Ben on May 21, 2021, 02:29:27 PM
Just for clarity in my mask reporting: Idaho has been mask free statewide for some time. Boise only recently dropped their mandate after Biden's recent announcement. Same with some of the stores, like Costco and Cabelas. Though there was no state requirement, they still required masks in their stores until very recently.

So my observations are just what I'm seeing regarding masked / not masked now that there are no requirements in the vast majority of businesses in these parts.
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Post by: RocketMan on May 21, 2021, 02:59:17 PM
NC went mask free Friday last week per the governor's latest edict.  He made some exceptions like public transportation, schools, government buildings, etc.
I stopped wearing mine as soon as I got the word.  Still seeing quite a few in the national chain stores.  Some of the smaller local stores, hardware in particular, gave up on masks a few weeks ago.
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Post by: charby on May 21, 2021, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 21, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
Should have also banned masks.   =)

She made it personal choice to mask or not.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2021, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: charby on May 21, 2021, 04:01:01 PM
She made it personal choice to mask or not.

Personal choice? I seem to remember that concept from a couple of years back...
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Post by: K Frame on May 22, 2021, 01:13:58 PM
So I just got back from a maskless trip to the grocery store, same one I talked about in the post below...

I could feel them all around me, looking at me, waiting to pounce, daring me to cough...

Mask Karens!
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Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
Tell them you identify as masked
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 22, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
Tell them you identify as masked

Tell them they should identify as immune, 25 years old, and with zero comorbidities.
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Post by: JTHunter on May 22, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: K Frame on May 22, 2021, 01:13:58 PM
So I just got back from a maskless trip to the grocery store, same one I talked about in the post below...

Only one store has actually stopped me from entering - Menards.
No grocer, hardware, "big box" store, or "Walfart" has stopped me in the last 15 months.  Only when I have gone to a doctor myself or taken my remaining parent have I worn one.  And the only reason I submit to that is their memory of the doctor's orders and their lack of technical jargon is such that I have to hear those instructions.
No "karen" has said anything to me once I'm in the stores, despite my age and weight giving me 3 co-morbidities (HBP).
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Post by: Ron on May 22, 2021, 05:15:08 PM
Looks like they are ending the pandemic!

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among

Next up ... aliens!
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Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2021, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: Ron on May 22, 2021, 05:15:08 PM

Next up ... aliens!

Build the dome!
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Post by: MillCreek on May 24, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
So I just got back from the Costco in Marysville, 45 miles north of Seattle.  For the first time, I saw a sign at the entrance stating that firearms were prohibited except for law enforcement officers.  Second, they has a mask optional if fully vaccinated sign.  I would say that about 80% of the customers were wearing masks.
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Post by: MechAg94 on May 24, 2021, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron on May 22, 2021, 05:15:08 PM
Looks like they are ending the pandemic!

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among

Next up ... aliens!
That sort of thing makes me really wonder.  Are they trying to get around the "pandemic hysteria" they helped create or trying to hide the possibility the vaccines might not be as effective as they promised?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 24, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 24, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
So I just got back from the Costco in Marysville, 45 miles north of Seattle.  For the first time, I saw a sign at the entrance stating that firearms were prohibited except for law enforcement officers.  Second, they has a mask optional if fully vaccinated sign.  I would say that about 80% of the customers were wearing masks.

I will check that firearms thing the next time I go to my Costco to see if it is Costco-wide. They are usually pretty lock-step for all their stores so it wouldn't surprise me to see a sign (that I didn't see - "Oh, you guys have a no firearms thing? Huh. News to me").
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on May 24, 2021, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 24, 2021, 04:46:18 PM
That sort of thing makes me really wonder.  Are they trying to get around the "pandemic hysteria" they helped create or trying to hide the possibility the vaccines might not be as effective as they promised?

Now that's thinking like a counter-intelligence agent.

Too bad "thinking like a counter-intelligence agent" is pop-psych labeled as paranoia.

On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that "thinking like a counter-intelligence agent" is thought of as paranoia.

'Tis a puzzlement.

Terry, 00230RN
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on May 25, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
How many of you have seen the news that even "Freaky Fauci" is questioning the "source" of this virus?
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-apos-not-convinced-apos-120653229.html

And now we find out that the ChiComs had an idea that something was going on at the clinic over a month before they said anything to the WHO.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/wuhan-lab-staff-sought-hospital-care-before-covid-19-outbreak-disclosed-wsj-2021-05-23/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 27, 2021, 08:50:49 AM
So friendface is apparently no longer censoring posts that point to the Wuhan lab as a virus source. It's nice how the big tech is able to tell me what to think and when to think it. So much easier not using my brain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on May 27, 2021, 09:37:53 AM
Quote from: Ben on May 27, 2021, 08:50:49 AM
So friendface is apparently no longer censoring posts that point to the Wuhan lab as a virus source. It's nice how the big tech is able to tell me what to think and when to think it. So much easier not using my brain.

The sad thing is how many people don't even realize this is going on for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 27, 2021, 03:22:39 PM
Fauci now permitting us to think a lab accident was responsible for the Wuhan pandemic, it's like a cult leader suddenly getting a new revelation.
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Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2021, 02:44:27 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/with-idaho-governor-gone-lieutenant-governor-bans-mask-mandates-in-state/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR05N9ecli0UVcQVxDQtQoUNrtRGnku3neOVHN5ZnwB7QceWXfnM4alU-Mo#Echobox=1622223801

With the Idaho governor attending a convention out of state, the lieutenant governor issues an executive order banning all mask mandates in the state.  It is not yet known if when the governor returns, he will issue another executive order overturning the lieutenant governor's executive order.  Both politicians are Republicans. I snorted when I read a comment on FB describing Idaho as the Florida of the north.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
Didn't even know "punk" rock was even still around.

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NBC News
@NBCNews
A Florida concert promoter is charging $18 for tickets for an upcoming punk-rock concert to people who are vaccinated and $1,000 to those who are not.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/29/punk-rock-concert-promoters-higher-ticket-price-for-unvaccinated-people-deemed-the-least-punk-thing-ever/
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Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2021, 09:14:57 AM
Those darn far right Trump people

Protest held over Tenn. store’s ‘not vaccinated’ yellow star badges
https://www.wave3.com/2021/05/30/protest-held-over-tenn-stores-not-vaccinated-yellow-star-badges/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2gweM3XoAID6R8?format=jpg&name=small)

The article basically blames Marjorie Taylor Greene (r) from GA. and Trump
Here's what wiki has to say about her

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Marjorie Taylor Greene (born May 27, 1974), also known by her initials MTG,[2] is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right[3] conspiracy theorist[4] serving as the U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district.[5] A member of the Republican Party and a staunch supporter of Donald Trump, Greene was elected to Congress in November 2020 and sworn into office on January 3, 2021.

Greene has supported disproven far-right conspiracy theories such as Pizzagate and QAnon,[6][7] as well as other unevidenced conspiracy theories including false flag shootings and 9/11 conspiracy theories.[8][9] Before running for Congress, she supported the execution of prominent Democratic politicians[10] and as a congresswoman equated the Democratic Party with Nazis.[11][12] Greene also supported Trump's efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2021, 11:08:19 AM
Quote from: WLJ on May 30, 2021, 09:14:57 AM
Protest held over Tenn. store’s ‘not vaccinated’ yellow star badges
https://www.wave3.com/2021/05/30/protest-held-over-tenn-stores-not-vaccinated-yellow-star-badges/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2gweM3XoAID6R8?format=jpg&name=small)

 :facepalm:

Somebody did not think this through.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2021, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2021, 11:08:19 AM
:facepalm:

Somebody did not think this through.

Pretty much

I was also struck as much as anything by the glee with which they try to connect this with Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 30, 2021, 12:10:14 PM
She's not wrong.  I sketched out a Jude star face mask early 2020.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on May 31, 2021, 11:33:03 PM
Hhmm?
Would that be considered "cultural misappropriation"?  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 01, 2021, 12:27:31 PM
New (to me) article about side effects of the vaccines:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

Is this site reliable, or is this a conspiracy theory article?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2021, 12:46:16 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on May 30, 2021, 12:10:14 PM
She's not wrong.  I sketched out a Jude star face mask early 2020.
That was my thought as well.  The whole business with vaccine passports and other crap was along the same lines.  It wasn't racial or religious based, but similar political goals to isolate and ostracize a group they don't like. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on June 01, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different.  Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on June 01, 2021, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: dogmush on June 01, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different.  Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.
I have to agree with you again, knock it off.

Me, no vax and not a victim.

Other than the run of the mill victimization of being ruled over so poorly by globalist oligarchs I'm doing great!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: dogmush on June 01, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different.  Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.
I don't think it is entirely the same, but it is similar leftist thinking.  I question just how many people are actually for that sort of thing outside of the some leftist activists and media.  Twitter and social media can magnify the voice of a few stupid people a lot more than is warranted.  If they are able to actually come close to enacting stuff like that, then we can worry. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
The Washington Post edited the headline of a 15 month old article regarding the virus being a lab leak from "debunked" to "fringe theory". These stealth editing changes of already published documents are some of what I hate most about modern journalism. It's bad enough editing a day later when you're called out, but 15 months back is literally changing history.

If all of the MSM is constantly doing this stealth editing thing, ten years from now people will be reading about how Tom Cotton was blaming a bat at a food market while the MSM uncovered the whole thing in the first month of the pandemic.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/01/washington-post-changes-its-15-month-old-headline-about-sen-tom-cottons-debunked-conspiracy-theory/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on June 01, 2021, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 01, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
The Washington Post edited the headline of a 15 month old article regarding the virus being a lab leak from "debunked" to "fringe theory". These stealth editing changes of already published documents are some of what I hate most about modern journalism. It's bad enough editing a day later when you're called out, but 15 months back is literally changing history.

If all of the MSM is constantly doing this stealth editing thing, ten years from now people will be reading about how Tom Cotton was blaming a bat at a food market while the MSM uncovered the whole thing in the first month of the pandemic.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/01/washington-post-changes-its-15-month-old-headline-about-sen-tom-cottons-debunked-conspiracy-theory/

I'm surprised Ronnie Deutch and the other tile crawlers haven't started a class action lawsuit against China.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2021, 05:00:51 PM
They're just keeping an old Soviet tradition

(https://cdn8.openculture.com/2017/08/20195102/soviet-censorship-naval-commissar-vanishes.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 01, 2021, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 01, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
. It's bad enough editing a day later when you're called out, but 15 months back is literally changing history.


Correct. Newspapers have long been considered a fundamental source for historians.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
Nothing to worry about right?
I'm be in the bunker counting TP rolls

Quote
The Associated Press
@AP
The Chinese government says a 41-year-old man has contracted what might be the world’s first human case of the H10N3 strain of bird flu, but that the risk of large-scale spread is low. China's National Health Commission said the man is in stable condition.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/01/china-says-one-man-has-contracted-the-first-human-case-of-another-zoonotic-virus-but-dont-worry-because-the-risk-of-large-scale-transmission-is-low/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on June 01, 2021, 06:02:35 PM
Move along - nothing to see here.

Like I'm going to trust anything from the CCCP.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 01, 2021, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: dogmush on June 01, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
I would say the goals of Liberal browbeating in the current times and Nazi ostracizing of Jews in the 30s and 40s were pretty different.  Folks might want to tone that particular analogy back a bit.

It's a vast difference in degree .... not so much in "kind."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2021, 09:45:13 PM
Interesting article on natural immunity.

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People who had mild COVID-19 have long-lasting antibody protection, according to a study by researchers from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.

Scientists found that individuals who have recovered from a mild case of COVID-19 have long-lived plasma cells in their bone marrow that secretes low levels of antibodies against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus for possibly a lifetime.

Plasma cells are a type of white blood cells developed from B cells and originate from the bone marrow. They are responsible for producing and secreting antibodies to a specific antigen.

“Last fall, there were reports that antibodies wane quickly after infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, and mainstream media interpreted that to mean that immunity was not long-lived,” said Ali Ellebedy, senior author of the study and an associate professor of pathology & immunology at Washington University.

“But that’s a misinterpretation of the data. It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau. Here, we found antibody-producing cells in people 11 months after first symptoms. These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives. That’s strong evidence for long-lasting immunity,” he added.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/research-suggests-mild-covid-19-illness-leaves-behind-lasting-antibody-protection_3840082.html

Link to the PDF of the study, published last week in Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4_reference.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on June 01, 2021, 11:39:44 PM
I dunno - I see the "progressive left" using may of the 1930s/40s German tactics in the PR/Media venues...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2021, 11:52:22 PM
How about instead of a 6 point star use a 5 point red or white star. Similar symbolism with out quite the direct holocaust connection.
Anyone that isn't seeing the similarities between what the Nazis did to their "undesirables" and how the left is treating their "undesirables" (conservatives, Christians, White people, basically anyone that doesn't agree with them...) is either blind or willfully ignorant. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on June 02, 2021, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2021, 11:52:22 PM
How about instead of a 6 point star use a 5 point red or white star. Similar symbolism with out quite the direct holocaust connection.
Anyone that isn't seeing the similarities between what the Nazis did to their "undesirables" and how the left is treating their "undesirables" (conservatives, Christians, White people, basically anyone that doesn't agree with them...) is either blind or willfully ignorant.
Quote from: TommyGunn on June 01, 2021, 07:34:03 PM
It's a vast difference in degree .... not so much in "kind."

 ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2021, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 24, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
So I just got back from the Costco in Marysville, 45 miles north of Seattle.  For the first time, I saw a sign at the entrance stating that firearms were prohibited except for law enforcement officers.  Second, they has a mask optional if fully vaccinated sign.  I would say that about 80% of the customers were wearing masks.

I just got back from my Costco where I checked the firearms thing. I think I checked everywhere out front and no signs.

I know I said in my previous post that individual Costcos seem to be in lockstep with their HQ, but maybe that's not so. I talked to a friend a couple of weeks ago and she was at the Boise Costco where they were still enforcing masks. I was at mine at the same time and (like now) there was no mask enforcement.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on June 02, 2021, 03:35:16 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2021, 11:52:22 PM
How about instead of a 6 point star use a 5 point red or white star. Similar symbolism with out quite the direct holocaust connection.
Anyone that isn't seeing the similarities between what the Nazis did to their "undesirables" and how the left is treating their "undesirables" (conservatives, Christians, White people, basically anyone that doesn't agree with them...) is either blind or willfully ignorant.

Not a bad idea !
Then you take that 5-pointed star and turn it upside down so the single point is pointing down.  That would leave two points (horns) up.  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 02, 2021, 03:58:23 PM
What Tommy Gunn said in post 5293:

https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1307979#msg1307979

I'm looking at a Gewehrnacht, like a Kristallnacht, in my crystal ball.

"Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in."

https://youtu.be/ffI-tWh37UY

Terry, 230RN

REF (Dog-pack psychology):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 03, 2021, 06:56:02 PM
A really good and on-point rant, with "receipts" as the kids say, about the media and deep state kiboshing any questioning into the virus being a lab leak and how much of the diversion was practically involuntary TDS reaction:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/03/its-a-sickness-heres-a-great-thread-on-tds-and-vanity-fairs-investigation-into-the-origins-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on June 04, 2021, 12:45:44 AM



Quote
You cannot invade the United States.  There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass  You will have to bankrupt it first.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 04, 2021, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: 230RN on June 04, 2021, 12:45:44 AM
You cannot invade the United States. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass. You have to bankrupt it first.


It seems they are trying very hard to accomplish the latter, but it wont matter as long as we are still armed.  [ar15]

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 10, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/fortunes-spent-on-plastic-shields-with-no-proof-they-stop-covid/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3d3wYmTj_FqO_SwWm193tu18Nq-7TyMwsED0bGw6ZDLD1N24ydMXry2PA#Echobox=1623246313

Our healthcare system spent several million dollars installing these barriers in our hospitals and clinics, based on the infection prevention recommendations at the time. I wonder if the epidemiology/infection prevention folks will recommend they be removed.  As a hard of hearing person, it certainly makes my life more difficult trying to hear someone on the other side of the barrier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2021, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on June 10, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
As a hard of hearing person, it certainly makes my life more difficult trying to hear someone on the other side of the barrier.

As a not hard of hearing (though I have the old guy hearing going on) guy, I found it difficult to hear people behind masks and barriers. I'm sure I annoyed plenty of people with, "Speak up, sonny!"   :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on June 10, 2021, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 10, 2021, 09:53:40 AM
As a not hard of hearing (though I have the old guy hearing going on) guy, I found it difficult to hear people behind masks and barriers. I'm sure I annoyed plenty of people with, "Speak up, sonny!"   :laugh:

I just get within that 6' zone and say in my scratchy old man's voice - "Eh?  What's that you say?"  :old: >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2021, 06:10:38 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1403394195402858497
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2021, 08:17:59 AM
Quote
US Intelligence. The Secretary of State.  Officials at NIH. Us Senators. A president - All crazy conspiracy theorists

Jon Stewart - *expletive deleted*it now we have to believe the lab leak.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/06/15/lib-meltdown-imminent-jon-stewart-made-a-very-convincing-case-for-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-last-night-on-stephen-colberts-show/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2021, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 11, 2021, 06:10:38 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1403394195402858497
Over the weekend, there were posts with pictures/video of them shaking hands and standing close together after the showboating was over.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2021, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: Ben on June 15, 2021, 08:17:59 AM
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/06/15/lib-meltdown-imminent-jon-stewart-made-a-very-convincing-case-for-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-last-night-on-stephen-colberts-show/
I don't usually agree with Jon Stewart, but he is a whole lot funnier than the rest of them. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on June 15, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on June 15, 2021, 09:06:17 AM
I don't usually agree with Jon Stewart, but he is a whole lot funnier than the rest of them.

Mainly because they're trying to BE him and failing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2021, 10:26:15 AM
Quote
The Recount
@therecount
Dr. Fauci on COVID lab leak theory: “We’ve always said ‘keep an open mind and continue to look.’ So I think it’s a bit of a distortion to say that we deliberately suppressed that.”
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/16/dr-anthony-fauci-who-deliberately-suppressed-lab-leak-theory-says-its-a-bit-of-a-distortion-to-say-that-we-deliberately-suppressed-lab-leak-theory-video/

(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/300x300/15076268.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2021, 10:51:04 AM
People are catching colds again

Colds are coming back after masks come off
https://www.wave3.com/2021/06/15/colds-are-coming-back-after-masks-come-off/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
Knock Knock

Quote
Caleb Hull
@CalebJHull
Jen Psaki: We will be going door-to-door to Americans who have not been vaccinated

Nothing to see here, just Jen Psaki admitting the feds will be going door-to-door to Americans who have not been vaccinated (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/06/nothing-to-see-here-just-jen-psaki-admitting-the-feds-will-be-going-door-to-door-to-americans-who-have-not-been-vaccinated-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 06, 2021, 02:52:10 PM
That will be a fun gig.  I wonder who they will get to do that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 06, 2021, 02:52:10 PM
That will be a fun gig.  I wonder who they will get to do that.

A-T-F
Hide your dogs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 06, 2021, 03:01:21 PM
I wonder if the feds will bring tattoo guns or some other form of identification to force on those refusing to be vaccinated?
It doesn't make sense to go door-to-door if there isn't going to be some sort of enforcement action for those refusing to do the beer virus pokey.

Edited to add:  Hyperbole for illustrative purposes.  At the very least there will be a database compiled of those that refuse to vaccinate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 06, 2021, 03:17:10 PM
That will just insure that most of the people who have not gotten the corona vaccine never will. 


Kind of a harsh action to take for an illness with a 99+% (insert exact number here) survival rate.  Especially when the survival rate for the vaccine is less than 100%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 06, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
A-T-F
Hide your dogs.

Start in Harlan County.  They respect the Revenuers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 06, 2021, 03:22:03 PM
I strongly doubt there will be any sort of door to door enforcement at this point or near future.

The door to door thing sounds more like a way to give money to people and groups they want to give money to. Also a way to do campaigning and PR on the taxpayer dime.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 06, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
She referred to it as an "outreach" program. She didn't say they'd be going to unvaccinated people's doors. Sounds like plain-old canvassing to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on July 06, 2021, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on July 06, 2021, 03:01:21 PM
I wonder if the feds will bring tattoo guns or some other form of identification to force on those refusing to be vaccinated?

So long as my name gets entered in the database as “Not Sure” I’m good with the tattoo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
What does HIPAA say about the govt pulling your med records to see if you're vaccinated or not?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 06, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
What does HIPAA say about the govt pulling your med records to see if you're vaccinated or not?

It says they can: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/disclosures-public-health-activities/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on July 06, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
She referred to it as an "outreach" program. She didn't say they'd be going to unvaccinated people's doors. Sounds like plain-old canvassing to me.

She says' "targeted community by community door to door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated". That sounds like, or at the very least can be interpreted, as knocking on doors to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 06, 2021, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: cordex on July 06, 2021, 03:22:03 PM
I strongly doubt there will be any sort of door to door enforcement at this point or near future.

The door to door thing sounds more like a way to give money to people and groups they want to give money to. Also a way to do campaigning and PR on the taxpayer dime.

Yup. They're going to hire a bunch of temporary people at $30/hr from whatever special interest/racial/whatever groups they currently favor and those people will be going door to door with "educational materials". Probably not much different than when they do the census. I won't be surprised if half the people they hire just sit at home and collect the paycheck without ever going out knocking on doors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 06, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 06, 2021, 03:17:10 PM
That will just insure that most of the people who have not gotten the corona vaccine never will. 


Kind of a harsh action to take for an illness with a 99+% (insert exact number here) survival rate.  Especially when the survival rate for the vaccine is less than 100%.

And still only about a tenth of the population have contracted it at all.  So a 90% chance to not get it at all compounded with a 99.997% survival rate for my medical categories.  There is no vaccine on the planet that can improve those numbers, the odds of a major negative reaction to the vaccine are substantially greater than the odds of infection and complication from infection.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 06, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on July 06, 2021, 03:55:25 PM
So long as my name gets entered in the database as “Not Sure” I’m good with the tattoo.

I see you possess Presidential aspirations.  :cool:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 06, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 04:11:45 PM
She says' "targeted community by community door to door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated". That sounds like, or at the very least be interpreted, as knocking on doors to me.

Sounds like knocking on doors to me too. Personally, I expect whatever "outreach" they make will be just as ineffective and wasteful as all the others. And I don't expect they'll get many answers at those doors unless they're also giving away donuts . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 06, 2021, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 06, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
It says they can: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/disclosures-public-health-activities/index.html

An obamacare alteration if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 06, 2021, 05:32:59 PM
I wonder what they will think when I come out in shorts sandals and a big 45 gun belt?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 05:45:28 PM
I identify as vaccinated
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 06, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
Wouldn't surprise me to see blm/antifa being the chosen community action groups tasked with going door to door. Just make sure you've got an American flag on your house and they'll be too triggered to knock.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2021, 10:25:04 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 06, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
Wouldn't surprise me to see blm/antifa being the chosen community action groups tasked with going door to door. Just make sure you've got an American flag on your house and they'll be too triggered to knock.

Neighbor has a BLM sign and is also flying an American flag
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 06, 2021, 10:59:13 PM
I heard a new nickname today that may or may not be new:  Branch Covidians. 

The comparison doesn't really fit especially since it is definitely NOT a cult. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U77MA42hrHA
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 07, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 06, 2021, 04:35:22 PM
Yup. They're going to hire a bunch of temporary people at $30/hr from whatever special interest/racial/whatever groups they currently favor and those people will be going door to door with "educational materials". Probably not much different than when they do the census. I won't be surprised if half the people they hire just sit at home and collect the paycheck without ever going out knocking on doors.

This is what I expect also. Thing is, there's bound to be a database somewhere of those that have been vaccinated and those that have not. Just another list I guess . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 07, 2021, 10:17:27 AM
I just posted this on Oklahoma Shooters in the thread about this same topic. It might fit here as well.

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Hey, it just dawned on me. This could simply be a way to find and recruit likely candidates willing to go door to door to do more than just promote and/or dispense a vaccine. Brownshirt wannabees for things like identifying and locating those unwilling to "go along." To locate those who might possibly have militant tendencies.

Too much is being done in the name of this overblown pandemic. It worries me. Makes me wary of just about everything coming out of the mouths of some congress critters, the WHO, the administration, suspect health officials and the health department. Business has suffered as a result. Dependence upon government has increased - even shoved down our throats with those "stimulus" payments.

Bread - soon to be followed by circuses. Goons masquerading as clowns. Disarmament. Actual threats from the President of the United States revealing his inner motives that are no longer masked by his failing facade.

Keep your head, stay alert, and keep your powder dry. Never surrender your arms. If you find this advice objectionable or unwarranted, go talk to a Holocaust survivor, or someone who escaped the old Soviet Union, or Castro's Cuba, or anyone lucky enough to survive a gun-free zone siege.

Woody

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 07, 2021, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on July 06, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
And still only about a tenth of the population have contracted it at all.  So a 90% chance to not get it at all compounded with a 99.997% survival rate for my medical categories.  There is no vaccine on the planet that can improve those numbers, the odds of a major negative reaction to the vaccine are substantially greater than the odds of infection and complication from infection.

Do you have a citation for the 1/10? I did some quick calculation a year ago, and figured we were way over 10% even then.

Besides, this is the typical "problem" with vaccines.. they are victims of their own success if they work well. If half the country got covid naturally, and the other half all get vaccinated, the disease will stop spreading and never get any more widespread. Which is what you want, but gives the opportunity for people to say "see, the disease isn't really that bad"... which is true, because of the vaccine. We had up to 50,000 polio cases per year in the 50s and it's effectively eliminated now, so you could point out that polio vaccination is pointless because polio is nearly unheard of... because of polio vaccination.

If we had a time machine and could go back to 2020 and forcibly vaccinate everyone in the US, with a vaccine with a 0.01% death rate (which would be a pretty bad vaccine), then we would cause 40,000 vaccine deaths and almost nobody would have died from COVID. So you could conclude the vaccine was not worth it or even counterproductive because people are dying from the vaccine while practically nobody died from COVID. This analysis ignores the 500,000 people who would have died without the vaccine.

As the covid vaccines achieve saturation in the categories of people vulnerable to COVID, that is old people and obese people, COVID will look more and more like a nothingburger. If we just vaccinated older people and never even tried to vaccinate younger ones it would pretty much wipe out the seriousness of the disease. The virus will continue to circulate and there is no hope of eliminating it, but that's a different goal and one which might not be realistic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 07, 2021, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 07, 2021, 11:00:00 AM
Do you have a citation for the 1/10? I did some quick calculation a year ago, and figured we were way over 10% even then.


If you go by the Johns Hopkins Dashboard ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map ) as of June 20, 2021 there have been 33.7M confirmed cases in the US.  the Census population clock says 332M people.

Close enough to 1 in 10 for government work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 07, 2021, 02:12:41 PM
If you go by the Johns Hopkins Dashboard ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map ) as of June 20, 2021 there have been 33.7M confirmed cases in the US.  the Census population clock says 332M people.

Close enough to 1 in 10 for government work.

Where was it I saw someone babbling on about 33 million dead from covid in the US?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 07, 2021, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on July 06, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
And still only about a tenth of the population have contracted it at all.  So a 90% chance to not get it at all compounded with a 99.997% survival rate for my medical categories.  There is no vaccine on the planet that can improve those numbers, the odds of a major negative reaction to the vaccine are substantially greater than the odds of infection and complication from infection.

You do you, and vaccinate or don't, I don't really care, but I have to point out that the quoted statement isn't strictly true.

The first glance, non age adjusted data on COVID is about a 0.18% chance of getting and dying from COVID.  (10% to get it X the 1.8% fatality rate in the US).  The vaccines have severe (life threating, but not necessarily fatal) side effect rates between 0.0025% and 0.05% depending on which vaccine and which sever side effect.  So at a wide look the vaccines are an order of magnitude safer then just winging it.

Of course that COVID fatality rate goes way up or down based on age and comorbidities, but likewise so does the severe side effect rate, and since there are three available vaccines you can trim that side effect rate down further by picking the one that is safer for your demographic.

In either case, we are talking about pretty dang low risk options for a healthy adult.  Driving, crossing the street, and telling your wife those pants make her butt look big are all riskier than either COVID or the vaccine, and it should 100% be an individuals choice which risk to accept.  Making the argument that the vaccines are the riskier choice is a losing argument however.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 07, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
Quote from: dogmush on July 07, 2021, 02:12:41 PM
If you go by the Johns Hopkins Dashboard ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map ) as of June 20, 2021 there have been 33.7M confirmed cases in the US.  the Census population clock says 332M people.

Close enough to 1 in 10 for government work.

Agreed if you only want to count confirmed cases, but CDC itself estimates that official counts are undercounted by a factor of 4.3, which seems reasonable to me, which makes 115 million infections in the US. That means about 43% of everyone in America already got infected, on a raw numbers basis.

Combine the fact that 40% of everyone already got it and are moderately immune (or dead), plus a huge chunk of those who didn't get it got the vaccine and are now strongly immune, and basically the pandemic is over.

Your odds with the vaccine are still better; although your chances of getting the virus are dropping fast, we are not at the point where the disease is eradicated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 07, 2021, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 07, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
Agreed if you only want to count confirmed cases, but CDC itself estimates that official counts are undercounted by a factor of 4.3, which seems reasonable to me, which makes 115 million infections in the US. That means about 43% of everyone in America already got infected, on a raw numbers basis.

Combine the fact that 40% of everyone already got it and are moderately immune (or dead), plus a huge chunk of those who didn't get it got the vaccine and are now strongly immune, and basically the pandemic is over.


You would think that, but the midterm campaigning season is about to start, so.......
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 07, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 07, 2021, 03:02:06 PM
Combine the fact that 40% of everyone already got it and are moderately immune (or dead), plus a huge chunk of those who didn't get it got the vaccine and are now strongly immune, and basically the pandemic is over.

I will preface by saying that if I didn't catch the bioweapon, I would have likely gotten the vaccine.

That said, I have been following the research, and the last I saw - the peer reviewed research from Washington Medical University published in Nature last month - indicates that my natural immunity is as strong or stronger than immunity via the vaccine.  I realize that you can find research stating exactly the opposite as well, but my understanding is that in general, the natural immunity of the survivors of any virus is going to be better than immunity via vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 07, 2021, 05:38:24 PM
I can confirm the pandemic is over. The super-paranoid guy at work, who had the disease AND a vaccine AND 3 masks on all day? He only occasionally wears a single mask now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 08, 2021, 01:26:20 AM
If you want to talk about "skewed numbers", just look at all the fatalities that are listed as caused by covid-19 while the actual cause was an already existing and underlying health condition.  This could be cancer, heart disease, COPD, etc., BUT because they were a SUSPECTED covid-positive (not confirmed!), they were added to the ranks of covid deaths.  [barf]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 08, 2021, 01:34:12 AM
Even if they were proven COVID positive, in many cases they should not have been counted as COVID deaths. The CDC used "special pandemic criteria" to judge them as COVID deaths even though they would not have been counted as e.g. flu deaths if that same person would have died of the flu. There's no doubt about that; you can read about it on the CDC website. So yes I take the number of COVID deaths with a big grain of salt because really it's a matter of definition. You could ask the question of why did we need special pandemic criteria. Could be we needed them to effectively track a global pandemic. Could be that they were needed to make sure the pandemic looked as bad as possible. I don't know the precedent, oh wait COVID is "unprecedented" so we have to use new rules...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 08, 2021, 01:33:57 PM
Quote from: zahc on July 08, 2021, 01:34:12 AM
I don't know the precedent, oh wait COVID is "unprecedented" so we have to use new rules...

Yup. You see, there was no sickness, disease, or death, until Trump was elected. He's like the anti-Jesus. The antichrist, if you will.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 10, 2021, 09:40:17 AM
You've heard of long COVID. Get ready for limp COVID:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-06/can-covid-19-cause-lasting-erectile-dysfunction
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 10, 2021, 09:40:17 AM
You've heard of long COVID. Get ready for limp COVID:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-06/can-covid-19-cause-lasting-erectile-dysfunction

I'm putting my money on this as  the main reason

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Depression and anxiety from the pandemic may contribute
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 10, 2021, 11:47:50 PM
And then there is selection bias...
 
There are a lot of people in some economic/cultural sectors who have tested multiple times. Some of them actually think that getting tested, and wearing gloves and several masks, will protect them. Generally nasty gloves, because they don't change them. Same with the masks.
 
And a large percentage of the people who were tested were actually tested because they were showing symptoms.
 
So the "positive case" number is way the hell skewed... The truly sick people were the folks who were Really Darn Sick, and so forth.
 
In addition, a lot of people caught it, and beat it like a red-headed pretend stepchild (have any of you seen the demographics of pornhub lately - it's truly freaky...), and never showed symptoms, never got tested, and so forth.
 
Here in St. Louis, in the City portion, we're at about 0.167% overall fatalities. And we'll likely remain around that number. Something significantly over 50% were patients in skilled nursing facilities, including hospice facilities, many with Do Not Resuscitate orders on file.
 
To contrast, murders in STL are at about 0.113%.
 
I'm guessing we're going to see a significant trough in geriatric mortality over the next year...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 10, 2021, 11:54:12 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0d/3a/a8/0d3aa8a8ab345f94bc2f2b83d9d88c68.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 11, 2021, 07:38:03 AM
I think that picture's from somewhere in the middle east, not the United States....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2021, 08:21:18 AM
Quote from: K Frame on July 11, 2021, 07:38:03 AM
I think that picture's from somewhere in the middle east, not the United States....

Still think it was funny
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2021, 08:22:29 AM
Not vaccinated? Well.....

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Leana Wen, M.D.
@DrLeanaWen
Speaking soon with @AnaCabrera @CNNnewsroom: To increase #covid19 vaccinations, we need to make being vaccinated the easy choice and being unvaccinated the hard one.

There should be vaccine requirements at more workplaces (those opting out need, say, twice-weekly testing).
1:22 PM · Jul 7, 2021
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/12/tyrants-gonna-tyrant-former-head-of-planned-parenthood-calls-for-mandatory-twice-weekly-covid-19-tests-for-those-who-arent-vaccinated/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2021, 11:29:16 AM
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Palmer Report
@PalmerReport
Leana Wen is correct. Unvaccinated right wingers are a threat to national security, and the only thing they understand is consequences. Force them to get constantly tested. Lock them out of public places. Force them to stat home by default. They’ll whine, but they’ll cave.
4:44 PM · Jul 11, 2021

About that

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TheAmishOne
@ThatAmish1
.@PalmerReport and @DrLeanaWen have both seen the polling that shows Blacks and Hispanics are disproportionally "vaccine hesitant" over "right wing whites", but they push this narrative so they can really let the progressive eugenics programs fly.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/12/what-a-dolt-palmer-report-too-stupid-to-realize-his-attack-on-unvaccinated-right-wingers-is-actually-an-attack-on-black-communities/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 12, 2021, 01:27:48 PM
Former head of PP calling for mandatory anything is grimly hilarious. Should get a mandatory execution.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2021, 05:30:15 PM
WTF???
But it's okay, it's not Trump

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Natasha Korecki
@natashakorecki
NEW: Bidenworld is taking a more aggressive approach to combat vaccine fear-mongering by conservative forces.
That includes
– Calling on SMS carriers to mete out false messages
– urging social media platforms to fact-check

w/ @EugeneDaniels2

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6H0NsbWQAIkDi6?format=png&name=small)
‘Please tell me this is a typo’: Biden admin, DNC reportedly asking cell phone carriers to police TEXT MESSAGES for misinformation
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/07/12/please-tell-me-this-is-a-typo-biden-admin-dnc-reportedly-asking-cell-phone-carriers-to-police-text-messages-for-misinformation/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 13, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 12, 2021, 05:30:15 PM
WTF???
But it's okay, it's not Trump

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6H0NsbWQAIkDi6?format=png&name=small)
‘Please tell me this is a typo’: Biden admin, DNC reportedly asking cell phone carriers to police TEXT MESSAGES for misinformation
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/07/12/please-tell-me-this-is-a-typo-biden-admin-dnc-reportedly-asking-cell-phone-carriers-to-police-text-messages-for-misinformation/

What else would you expect from the New Stazi police force?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 14, 2021, 08:29:30 AM
I thought this was interesting. One hundred vaccinated crewmen on a British aircraft carrier caught the covid. I don't know what the crew complement of a British aircraft carrier is - maybe 5000?

It's only a sample set of one, that might have caught a new variant (they are in the Indian Ocean, nothing in the story regarding onshore interactions). Still, interesting statistics from a "closed system".

https://www.foxnews.com/world/covid-19-infects-about-100-vaccinated-crewmembers-on-royal-navys-hms-queen-elizabeth-report

EDIT: I was way off on crew complement. I thought it would be similar to a US carrier. I just looked it up and it says ~700 with berths for 1600. So much higher percentage of vaccinated infected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 14, 2021, 09:00:18 AM
Quote from: Ben on July 14, 2021, 08:29:30 AM
I thought this was interesting. One hundred vaccinated crewmen on a British aircraft carrier caught the covid. I don't know what the crew complement of a British aircraft carrier is - maybe 5000?

It's only a sample set of one, that might have caught a new variant (they are in the Indian Ocean, nothing in the story regarding onshore interactions). Still, interesting statistics from a "closed system".

https://www.foxnews.com/world/covid-19-infects-about-100-vaccinated-crewmembers-on-royal-navys-hms-queen-elizabeth-report

EDIT: I was way off on crew complement. I thought it would be similar to a US carrier. I just looked it up and it says ~700 with berths for 1600. So much higher percentage of vaccinated infected.
They were all anti-vaxxers.  The vaccine only works if you believe in it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 14, 2021, 09:08:45 AM
It's not polite to point out that
Pondering any of these things might lead to cognitive dissonance and possibly bad think.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 14, 2021, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 14, 2021, 09:08:45 AM
It's not polite to point out that
  • masks don't stop the spread of covid-19
  • social distancing doesn't stop the spread of covid-19
  • lockdowns don't stop the spread of covid-19
  • none of the vaccines inoculate you from contracting covid-19
Pondering any of these things might lead to cognitive dissonance and possibly bad think.

You certainly don't want to mention any of these things via text. You'll soon get a message telling you to report to the closest reeducation office.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 14, 2021, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: Ron on July 14, 2021, 09:08:45 AM
It's not polite to point out that
  • masks don't stop the spread of covid-19
  • social distancing doesn't stop the spread of covid-19
  • lockdowns don't stop the spread of covid-19
none of the vaccines inoculate you from contracting covid-19

Pondering any of these things might lead to cognitive dissonance and possibly bad think.

Huh? ???   The MRNA  vaccine is supposed to cause one to grow "protein spikes"  which result in an antigen reaction that allows one to develop antibodies that recognize the covid virus and attack it. 
The J&J  vaccine is a traditional "dead virus"  vaccine that causes a antigen response,  also causing the body to produce antibodies that kill the ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - oooops,  covid19 virus in like manner.

I suppose in either case,  the virus might enter the body .... but either way (unless it's a "breakthrough" case)  the antibodies kill the virus. 

It's how I understood "innoculation" to work.   =|  [/list]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 15, 2021, 12:55:23 PM
The vaccines are tested for preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death. They aren't really tested for preventing catching the virus or transmitting the virus.

Now the question is, if you don't get sick, why do you really care if you catch the virus? Didn't the vaccine work anyway? The answer/FUD being spread about it is that you could potentially still transmit the virus to somebody else who DOES get sick or die, because they are not vaccinated or can't take the vaccine or the vaccine didn't work for them. Which is why the pandemic pushers are so pushy that everyone needs to get the vaccine as soon as possible to save lives, and why even though we have 3 perfectly good and effective vaccines that everyone has access to, we still need to continue the fear mongering about the "pandemic". The goal posts move... first we just need to crush the curve, then we all need to keep up panic because "cases" are increasing as they mathematically inevitably will, now everyone needs to be vaccinated, and the inoculation scare is that we will still have to keep up pandemic measures even for vaccinated people.

The standard for vaccines has always been a macroeopidemiological standard for keeping diseases in control in a population. Everyone knows that vaccines don't always work at 100% and there are breakthroughs and so on. But by the normal standard that doesn't matter because the vaccine is effective if it controls the disease in the population effectively. But COVID has taken on a boogeyman status, and is being considered extra scary and dangerous even though it's actually quite mild, basically a super-flu (if it were some Ebola strain with 40% death rate that makes you bleed out your eyeballs it would be more understandable). So for COVID, the vaxmongers want to apply the standard based on the rare thought experiment that just in case the vaccine doesn't stop virus spread 100%, and just in case someone somewhere might catch it from a vaccinated person, and just in case that person is one of the 0.5% of people who are strongly effected by COVID, because that might happen we need to keep up pandemic controls, but this doesn't mean that we should stop vaccination, on the contrary we need to coerce everyone to get vaccinated, because vaccines are super effective, except they are not super effective enough, so we all need to still be worried. because OMG ThE CoVId!!! I think I got that right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 15, 2021, 01:19:34 PM
Just remember - it is an invisible hazard that can be on ANYONE, and when you catch it, you are going to die.
 
Of course, the person you will catch it from won't even notice it, but that's because of... science.

And you have co-morbidities. Everyone has co-morbidities. So you're gonna die.

Unless you get tested. Testing protects you. Some folks get tested every time they have a chance. It's FREE!
 
And... I see several distinct urban demographics... The folks who are getting on with things... The hipsters who are wearing masks, sometimes multiple, and who side-eye everyone. They generally at least wear the ineffective things somewhat correctly. Then there are the low-information people. They're wearing a mask. Sort of. It looks kinda nasty. And they have it down around their chin. Maybe. And then... Then there are the people who are wearing masks - sometimes several. N95 with a vent, and  you know they still have four dozen boxes stashed. And they're got gloves on, and they've had gloves on all day long. Usually the same pair. Some of them are using nitrile gloves, some of them are using food-service gloves, and the really interesting group has on work gloves, and often some type of safety glasses, goggles, or an actual helmet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2021, 02:45:27 PM
The Biden admin (as per Psaki) is working with facebook to censor covid "disinformation".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/15/actual-govt-censorship-jen-psaki-admits-wh-in-touch-with-big-tech-has-been-flagging-problematic-covid-posts-on-facebook/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 15, 2021, 02:58:23 PM
I seem to remember a case relating to the government using a private company to do things that the government is prohibited from doing ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
Well it's a good think we kicked out those fascists.......oh wait.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 15, 2021, 04:35:57 PM
Good post zach.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 15, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 15, 2021, 04:35:57 PM
Good post zach.
Agreed.  Good write up.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 15, 2021, 06:30:26 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 15, 2021, 04:35:57 PM
Good post zach.

+1!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
Put your masks back on in LA

Los Angeles County will reimpose its indoor mask mandate this weekend regardless of your vaccination status
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/los-angeles-county-will-reimpose-its-indoor-mask-mandate-this-weekend-regardless-of-your-vaccination-status/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 15, 2021, 02:45:27 PM
The Biden admin (as per Psaki) is working with facebook to censor covid "disinformation".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/15/actual-govt-censorship-jen-psaki-admits-wh-in-touch-with-big-tech-has-been-flagging-problematic-covid-posts-on-facebook/

Party like it's 1984

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POLITICOEurope
@POLITICOEurope
“Free speech is not an absolute human right,” says Helle Thorning Schmidt, member of Facebook’s Oversight Board and former PM of Denmark. “It has to be balanced with other human rights.”

How does that translate to content moderation? It must strike a balance, find a middle.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 15, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 06:43:43 PM
Put your masks back on in LA

Los Angeles County will reimpose its indoor mask mandate this weekend regardless of your vaccination status
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/los-angeles-county-will-reimpose-its-indoor-mask-mandate-this-weekend-regardless-of-your-vaccination-status/

Maybe L.A. is doing this so the good people can't ID the bad people who mug/assault/carjack them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on July 16, 2021, 07:30:58 AM
Quote from: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
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POLITICOEurope
@POLITICOEurope
“Free speech is not an absolute human right,” says Helle Thorning Schmidt, member of Facebook’s Oversight Board and former PM of Denmark. “It has to be balanced with other human rights.”

How does that translate to content moderation? It must strike a balance, find a middle.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/


Interesting take.  Now do voting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 16, 2021, 09:12:04 AM
People like that are why our ancestors came here.  Too bad many elitists here try to emulate European elitists.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 16, 2021, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 16, 2021, 09:12:04 AM
People like that are why our ancestors came here.  Too bad many elitists here try to emulate European elitists.


Hard times create strong men,
Strong men create good times,
Good times create weak men,
Weak men create hard times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 16, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6YGf3FXEAEy9Su?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 16, 2021, 12:35:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
Party like it's 1984
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/

I still want someone to explain how rights can be rights if they are "balanced" against other rights. Rights have to be, in some sense, absolute, if they're to be rights at all.

We have to go back to "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins," instead of "your right to punch people randomly must be balanced against my right to safety." One of those formulae has bright lines - the other is all subjectivity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 16, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
German mask study on carbon dioxide levels from masks retracted:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/93609?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-07-16&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MaskretractAlert_071621&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 16, 2021, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 16, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
German mask study on carbon dioxide levels from masks retracted:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/93609?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-07-16&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MaskretractAlert_071621&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active

It was scaring too many Karens ......    [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 18, 2021, 09:59:05 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/l-a-sheriff-says-indoor-mask-mandate-is-not-backed-by-science-and-his-defunded-department-wont-enforce-it?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
L.A. Sheriff Says Indoor Mask Mandate Is ‘Not Backed By Science’ And His ‘Defunded’ Department Won’t Enforce It
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 18, 2021, 10:56:07 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 18, 2021, 09:59:05 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/l-a-sheriff-says-indoor-mask-mandate-is-not-backed-by-science-and-his-defunded-department-wont-enforce-it?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
L.A. Sheriff Says Indoor Mask Mandate Is ‘Not Backed By Science’ And His ‘Defunded’ Department Won’t Enforce It

Congratulations to this officer.  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 20, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
Damn you Delta variant! Get off your ass and infect more people!

Just got back from Costco, where I learned from the receipt checker on the way out that senior hours are being cut back to tue and thu starting next week. At first I was too vain to use them, but now I want them. Get moving on the infections, Delta!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 20, 2021, 01:33:45 PM
Butbutbutbutbutbut... You can't take away the senior hours! I never used them, but I want them! That's discrimination!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 20, 2021, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: K Frame on July 20, 2021, 01:33:45 PM
Butbutbutbutbutbut... You can't take away the senior hours! I never used them, but I want them! That's discrimination!

Butbutbut... I've been using them ever since the bioweapon started. Turns out I like being carded for not being old enough.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 20, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 20, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
Damn you Delta variant! Get off your ass and infect more people!

Just got back from Costco, where I learned from the receipt checker on the way out that senior hours are being cut back to tue and thu starting next week. At first I was too vain to use them, but now I want them. Get moving on the infections, Delta!

And the gov is asking people to put their masks back on.

Louisville's top doctor warns that Delta variant now dominant strain of COVID-19 in city
https://www.wdrb.com/news/louisvilles-top-doctor-warns-that-delta-variant-now-dominant-strain-of-covid-19-in-city/article_b4f6b1b2-e96e-11eb-a5d4-272f81631d4f.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2021, 08:52:15 AM
Costco opts to continue senior shopping hours
https://www.wdrb.com/news/costco-opts-to-continue-senior-shopping-hours/article_e685c8fa-e9bc-11eb-86dd-5772964c07cf.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2021, 09:02:02 AM
Quote from: WLJ on July 21, 2021, 08:52:15 AM
Costco opts to continue senior shopping hours
https://www.wdrb.com/news/costco-opts-to-continue-senior-shopping-hours/article_e685c8fa-e9bc-11eb-86dd-5772964c07cf.html

That's what I mentioned in my post. Going to just tue and thu. Which works, but the seniors with the failing memories just have to remember the days.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 22, 2021, 02:57:26 PM
Invermectin study being withdrawn from publication after concerns over plagiarism and data integrity:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2021-07-22&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_072221&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 22, 2021, 03:39:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 22, 2021, 02:57:26 PM
Invermectin study being withdrawn from publication after concerns over plagiarism and data integrity:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658?xid=nl_medpageexclusive_2021-07-22&eun=g149952d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MPTExclusives_072221&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Medpage_Exclusives_Active
Thankfully there are quite a few Ivermectin studies out there.

https://ivmmeta.com/
Ivermectin's effectiveness according to this meta-analysis:
StudiesProphylaxisEarly treatmentLate treatmentPatientsAuthors
All studies6085% [75-92%]74% [57-84%]43% [26-56%]21,838574
With exclusions5088% [75-94%]76% [66-83%]50% [28-65%]17,437513
Peer-reviewed3988% [70-95%]75% [59-84%]43% [21-59%]11,593408
Randomized Controlled Trials3084% [25-96%]67% [54-76%]30% [2-50%]5,206358
Mortality results2396% [41-100%]64% [15-85%]59% [35-74%]10,797236
Elgazzar was one of the exclusions mentioned in "With exclusions" if that helps.

Remdesivir price per dose: $552.38
Remdesivir improvement (all studies, all application stages combined): 22%
Ivermectin price per dose: $3.95
Ivermectin improvement (all studies, all application stages combined): 70%
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on July 22, 2021, 04:36:25 PM
Less than 1% of the cost and more than triple the effectiveness.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 22, 2021, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: K Frame on July 20, 2021, 01:33:45 PM
Butbutbutbutbutbut... You can't take away the senior hours! I never used them, but I want them! That's discrimination!

How many seniors want to even get out of bed that early ?!?  :facepalm: :rofl:  :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 23, 2021, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on July 22, 2021, 04:36:25 PM
Less than 1% of the cost and more than triple the effectiveness.
I’m sure money has nothing to do with a new, less effective, more risky drug like Remdesivir being an acceptable treatment and an off-patent, apparently moderately effective, very low risk drug like Ivermectin being labeled at every opportunity as a terrible idea.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 23, 2021, 09:18:07 AM
^^^Big Pharma has to earn money to pay their lobbyists, somehow.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 23, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
Here's what the new PM in Israel is looking at doing for the Delta variant:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/23/israel-announces-major-restrictions-on-the-unvaccinated-over-the-delta-variant/

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Biden admin copy it.

Again, had I not had the bioweapon, it's highly likely  that I would have taken the vaccine. Given present research, I'm still sticking with my natural immunity, which again, is never addressed in these immunization schemes. I would have no problem ignoring Israeli-like restrictions regarding not having a vaccine passport. My area might go to masks if push came to shove, but they would never require documentation, and I don't visit most of the places they are talking about anyway. As long as I can get into a grocery store, I'm good. Not sure what I would do if I lived someplace like NYC, where I could potentially be banned from buying food if Israeli style restrictions were enacted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 23, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Wal Mart supercenter next town over has closed down due to a Covid outbreak. They plan to be closed through the weekend. None of the local walmart stores closed down during the peak of the dempanic in 2020.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 23, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
Gov is hinting at masks again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 24, 2021, 10:44:53 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 23, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
Gov is hinting at masks again.

They aren't "hinting" any more.  Look at what they have done in L.A. and this coming Monday in St. Louis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 24, 2021, 10:46:26 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on July 24, 2021, 10:44:53 PM
They aren't "hinting" any more.  Look at what they have done in L.A. and this coming Monday in St. Louis.

Sorry meant gov as in governor. Ky gov. I call him governor Karen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 25, 2021, 02:38:41 PM
Thursday I went out for a smoke at my office. They were setting up the big tables with masks, wipes, and sanitizer again.

I suspect very soon we'll have another corporate mask mandate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 26, 2021, 12:34:06 AM
Maybe I should try "I'm too scared of the covid to come to work."
 
It seemed to work out pretty well for some former employees, who are still on welfare, and working cash jobs...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2021, 08:07:54 AM
Interesting that 1.5 years later, we really should be wearing N95 masks, not the emotional protection masks we were told to wear when N95s weren't available to regular people.

Quote
Americans should be wearing N95 masks for greater protection against the highly contagious COVID-19 Delta variant, according to Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Gottlieb told CBS News’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday that the quality of a mask matters in protecting against the strain, which was first identified in India in late 2020, and currently makes up approximately 83 percent of all new sequenced COVID-19 cases in the United States, according to federal officials.

“If you’re going to consider wearing a mask, the quality of the masks does matter,” he said. “So if you can get your hands on a KN95 mask or an N95 mask, that’s going to afford you a lot more protection.”

Experts say that medical-grade respirators such as N95 masks offer greater protection against more infectious strains of COVID-19, such as Delta, which is believed to be more transmissible than other versions. It is also now the dominant variant of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus worldwide.

Compared to more commonly worn surgical masks or cloth face coverings, when worn properly, N95s fit more closely to the face and provide at least 95 percent protection level against airborne viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Meanwhile KN95s, which work similarly to N95 masks, are regulated by the Chinese government. They were authorized by the CDC as a suitable alternative for N95s due to shortages during the onset of the pandemic last year, although some have since raised concerns that the majority of non-certified KN95 masks from China do not meet U.S. standards for effectiveness.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/n-95-masks-provide-a-lot-more-protection-former-fda-commissioner_3918293.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:21:56 AM
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on July 26, 2021, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:21:56 AM
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving

Sounds like some unhealthy paranoia right there.  I've seen folks around here driving while wearing both face masks and shields, but never covered in plastic.  A little less of the unhealthy paranoia, I guess.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 26, 2021, 02:38:04 PM
I've said it before; If it ain't got a HEPA filter in it, those masks are like surrounding your house with a chain link fence to keep out the mosquitoes. :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 26, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on July 26, 2021, 02:38:04 PM
I've said it before; If it ain't got a HEPA filter in it, those masks are like surrounding your house with a chain link fence to keep out the mosquitoes. :old:

Woody

I think a chainlink fence would have at least slowed down the ones that were working me over this morning.  The Deep woods Off i was using must be their favorite condiment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2021, 05:56:19 PM
"Random and unrelated" tweets regarding the Delta variant. Hmmm.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/26/the-i-just-left-the-er-variant-is-multiplying-on-twitter-warning-people-theyre-back-to-getting-crushed-by-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 26, 2021, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 26, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
I think a chainlink fence would have at least slowed down the ones that were working me over this morning.  The Deep woods Off i was using must be their favorite condiment.

Yeah, sometimes you gotta surround yourself with a ring of fire around here.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on July 26, 2021, 08:21:45 PM
Yeah, sometimes you gotta surround yourself with a ring of fire around here.

Woody

Some people on twitter were joking that the mosquitoes are so thick at Boca Chica that when SpaceX lights the first full up super (30 raptors) it will smell like burnt mosquitoes down there for a while
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 26, 2021, 09:18:48 PM
Mosquitoes are absolutely awful here this year. To keep it on topic, I'm worried more about the bazillion bites I've gotten in the last few weeks giving me the West Nile virus more than I am about getting the Delta variant of the covid.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 27, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Mosquitoes have always been pretty bad in my community. When I first moved in they were the standard Brown mosquito, but about 20 years ago the Asian Tiger Mosquito moved in and quickly became the dominant breed. Those little aholes are persistent, and vicious. There were a couple areas of the community that you simply couldn't use this time of the year the mosquitoes were so bad.

Last year we started fogging the community with a natural cedar oil spray that kills mosquitoes, ticks, fleas, and gnats. Three applications a summer, and it's also supposed to be bee safe.

It's made a HUGE difference. I can now walk Seren through the community without us being swarmed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2021, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: K Frame on July 27, 2021, 09:38:42 AM

Last year we started fogging the community with a natural cedar oil spray that kills mosquitoes, ticks, fleas, and gnats. Three applications a summer, and it's also supposed to be bee safe.

It's made a HUGE difference. I can now walk Seren through the community without us being swarmed.

Interesting. Do you happen to know the product name? The county here is actually really good about running their fogger truck into the rural areas, and it even comes down my long driveway and does a lap around the house. They also send their ATV crews out twice a year to hit my pastures with some water activated granular stuff.

This year has been particularly bad though, and I've been using a fogger around the house with whatever the mosquito chemical that starts with a "P" is. Limited effectiveness and I hate spraying that much chemical. I wear a respirator, but I can still smell it on me afterwards.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 27, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
When a parody site meme is closer to the truth than anything coming out of the MSM

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/E7QUlDTXEAQTmav.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 27, 2021, 10:53:10 AM
Not sure which one the company uses, but it's cedar oil based.

You can google cedar oil mosquito control and get a lot of different brands.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on July 27, 2021, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 27, 2021, 10:08:43 AM
Interesting. Do you happen to know the product name? The county here is actually really good about running their fogger truck into the rural areas, and it even comes down my long driveway and does a lap around the house. They also send their ATV crews out twice a year to hit my pastures with some water activated granular stuff.

This year has been particularly bad though, and I've been using a fogger around the house with whatever the mosquito chemical that starts with a "P" is. Limited effectiveness and I hate spraying that much chemical. I wear a respirator, but I can still smell it on me afterwards.

Least your county is on it's game.

For the later, was it Permethrin?  That stuff is magic when applied to clothing.  I've had pretty good luck with it as a barrier to keep insects out of the house.

https://www.domyown.com/permethrin-sfr-368-p-445.html



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: Andiron on July 27, 2021, 07:42:56 PM
For the later, was it Permethrin?  That stuff is magic when applied to clothing.  I've had pretty good luck with it as a barrier to keep insects out of the house.

https://www.domyown.com/permethrin-sfr-368-p-445.html

Yes, but  I think I have some weak ass variety or something. I'm gonna order from your link and try that. I don't mind snortin' chemical if it's only once a month. That might work good around some wet areas in my pastures too. Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 27, 2021, 09:34:16 PM
I get the big jug from the farm store. Mix it with water in the sprayer. Works good on the yard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on July 27, 2021, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 27, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
Yes, but  I think I have some weak ass variety or something. I'm gonna order from your link and try that. I don't mind snortin' chemical if it's only once a month. That might work good around some wet areas in my pastures too. Thanks for the link!

My pleasure,  hope it works for you.

Couple of vids:

https://youtu.be/NcWrSxvUJLE

https://youtu.be/xNuJWeysVrI

As for application on clothes,  I've used it .mil and civilian.  The Corpsmen would toss all the camies on the ground and hose them with this stuff before we went to Africa or SE Asia.  When we got there,  bugs would land on clothing and *expletive deleted*ing die.  It was magic  >:D

Works just as good if you're planning to go hiking/backpacking.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on July 27, 2021, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Some people on twitter were joking that the mosquitoes are so thick at Boca Chica that when SpaceX lights the first full up super (30 raptors) it will smell like burnt mosquitoes down there for a while

That has always been true.

I used to work in Brownsville.  That whole are is nothing but filled-in swamp.  The mosquitos were never ending.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 27, 2021, 10:35:40 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on July 27, 2021, 09:54:47 PM
That has always been true.

I used to work in Brownsville.  That whole are is nothing but filled-in swamp.  The mosquitos were never ending.

Maybe you should and it to your chemtrails.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 28, 2021, 10:41:01 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/what-hipaa-is-and-is-not-a-primer-on-the-healthcare-privacy-law/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1627396171

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/explaining-hipaa-no-it-doesnt-ban-questions-about-your-vaccination-status/

A good explanation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 28, 2021, 04:01:33 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:21:56 AM
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving

Maybe he was trying to lose some weight and was "sweating it off" in a plastic sauna suit.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 28, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 08:21:56 AM
Looked over at the car next to me about a week ago and the guy is wearing a face mask, full face shield, and covered in plastic, while driving

I recall early 2020 when the ANDROMEDA STRAIN  - - - - - - ooooops, covid19 pandemic was just starting seeing news clips of parents sending their kids to school all wrapped up, head to foot, in plastic garbage bags cut into a crude .... "biohazard" (  [tinfoil]  )  suit.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on July 28, 2021, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on July 28, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
I recall early 2020 when the ANDROMEDA STRAIN  - - - - - - ooooops, covid19 pandemic was just starting seeing news clips of parents sending their kids to school all wrapped up, head to foot, in plastic garbage bags cut into a crude .... "biohazard" (  [tinfoil]  )  suit.

They were doing the best they could with the pretty-much useless information we had at the time. 

I was stuck at my parents' house then, going out once a week to Walmart during senior hours (I was old enough, my brother not quite) wearing an old N-95 mask that I washed so I could reuse it because we only had a few, then everything coming in the house got bleached or Lysol'd, including me.  Clothes went straight in the washer (hot water) and I took a shower.  My brother went back and sprayed everything I touched (like the doorknobs) with Lysol or alcohol.  When I went to the gas station, after filling up I washed my hands with rubbing alcohol before getting back in the car, then wiped down the alcohol bottle. I knew most of that that was overkill but I didn't know what part or how much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 28, 2021, 11:42:42 PM
We have a lot of coastal wetlands and salt marshes in this county.  The local county alone has 3 airplanes to spray.  I don't know how many trucks they have.  That usually keeps them tolerable if you wear pants or use OFF.  I hate to think what it would be like if none of that existed.  The big salt marsh mosquitos are aggressive. 

In the past, I have used those sprays you attach to your hose to spray the yard.  It kills all the bugs in the yard, not just mosquitos.  I haven't done that in a while. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 29, 2021, 01:26:33 AM
TLDR, and...
 
Here in St. Louis, we have had 538 casualties total since the start WITH the 'Rona. Mostly over age 70, mostly in skilled nursing facilities, hospice, etc... - serious failure to contain nosocomial infection, but we can't talk about that... Nope...
 
We have had 370 murders.
 
<both figures from this morning's perusal of the City webjunk>
 
I'm a LOT more worried about some yout in a mask walking in the door my store and starting shooting than I am about catching something that kills mostly octogenarians.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on July 29, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Watch the video...https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/29/so-damn-embarrassing-defense-sec-lloyd-austin-adds-an-absurd-level-of-protection-against-covid-19/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/29/so-damn-embarrassing-defense-sec-lloyd-austin-adds-an-absurd-level-of-protection-against-covid-19/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 29, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
The mask and face shield bother me less than the fist bumping.  Just shake their damn hands.  You are already touching them.  It looks silly to me.  You know damn well he will be using sanitizer immediately after and so will the people he met.  If it is worth keeping distance and not touching, then do that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 29, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 29, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
The mask and face shield bother me less than the fist bumping.  Just shake their damn hands.  You are already touching them.  It looks silly to me.  You know damn well he will be using sanitizer immediately after and so will the people he met.  If it is worth keeping distance and not touching, then do that.

Yeah, stop with the fist and elbow bumping. It looks ridiculous, especially when old people do it. If you're not gonna shake hands, just give a head nod.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 29, 2021, 07:07:48 PM
I can see this turning into a logistical nightmare real quick among other things.

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    BREAKING: L.A. Unified will require all students and employees to get tested for coronavirus weekly, regardless of vaccination status https://t.co/aux74Vplir

    — KTLA (@KTLA) July 29, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/29/los-angeles-unified-school-district-to-require-all-students-to-be-tested-for-covid-19-weekly-vaccinated-or-not/

LAUSD to require COVID-19 testing for all students and staff, regardless of vaccination status
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lausd-to-require-covid-19-testing-for-all-students-and-staff-regardless-of-vaccination-status/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on July 29, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 29, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
The mask and face shield bother me less than the fist bumping.  Just shake their damn hands.  You are already touching them.  It looks silly to me.  You know damn well he will be using sanitizer immediately after and so will the people he met.  If it is worth keeping distance and not touching, then do that. 

My eye doc tried to elbow bump me I told him I only shake hands like a man ought to lol
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on July 30, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on July 30, 2021, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on July 30, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)

I am not a virologist but to me it almost sounds like an antigen shift which would essentially make the existing vaccine next to worthless. At least that is how I think it may work. I may also be completely wrong, it would be the second or third time. ;)

https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/how-do-viruses-mutate-and-what-it-means-vaccine

https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/topics/disease-understanding/the-natural-evolution-of-sars-cov-2.html

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2021, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on July 30, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)

Interesting. I've been reading articles all day today stating pretty much the opposite - that most everyone infected with the Delta is unvaccinated (of course once again making no distinction between unvaccinated and unvaccinated with natural immunity).

Not doubting you or your link - you likely know where I stand regarding the MSM reporting on all this - just a comment on all the divergent reporting we are supposed to believe.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
And another article on Provincetown, making things more murky:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/town-manager-of-provincetown-says-indoor-masking-is-not-a-sustainable-long-term-solution/

Also, a tangent: Without going into a whole gayzor debate, I recall that Ptown has a significant gay population. I don't know where thing stand with HIV/AIDS and how many gay people have one or the other, but wouldn't weak immune systems be a contributing factor to infections, vaccinated or not?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 30, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
Universal masking required at all Louisville Metro Government buildings, starting Aug. 2
https://www.wdrb.com/community/universal-masking-required-at-all-louisville-metro-government-buildings-starting-aug-2/article_8bce1940-f168-11eb-8dfc-c752a0e4acce.html

Gov. Beshear to require masks for everyone inside state buildings, beginning July 29
https://www.wdrb.com/news/gov-beshear-to-require-masks-for-everyone-inside-state-buildings-beginning-july-29/article_84ac6cf6-efde-11eb-a1ef-9f16df303caf.html

And Kroger is asking everyone to wear masks
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
Both Ford plants in Louisville mandating masks now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Well then, to my point about Ptown, it was apparently "bear week" when this outbreak happened:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/

Funny tangent, I knew nothing about Ptown gays, nor "bears" until one year hot Ukrainian coworker and I were flying scientific missions out of Hyannis (or high anus as I called it). On a free weekend, her and the female aircraft commander talked me into going to Ptown, telling me about all the good eats, cool waterfront, etc. I said sure, sounds fun. They knew about Ptown, and that there was some gayzor gathering there that week.  I was clueless and of course they didn't tell me as their little joke. What a freak show. It made those gay pride parades you see out of San Francisco look like an Amish prayer meeting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on July 30, 2021, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on July 30, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
A study by the CDC indicates 3/4 of people infected by the delta variant in a recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/cdc-study-shows-three-fourths-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated/)

Almost certainly an "outlyer" study.  ....   ..... .....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2021, 11:09:21 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 30, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Well then, to my point about Ptown, it was apparently "bear week" when this outbreak happened:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/

Funny tangent, I knew nothing about Ptown gays, nor "bears" until one year hot Ukrainian coworker and I were flying scientific missions out of Hyannis (or high anus as I called it). On a free weekend, her and the female aircraft commander talked me into going to Ptown, telling me about all the good eats, cool waterfront, etc. I said sure, sounds fun. They knew about Ptown, and that there was some gayzor gathering there that week.  I was clueless and of course they didn't tell me as their little joke. What a freak show. It made those gay pride parades you see out of San Francisco look like an Amish prayer meeting.
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2021, 11:15:09 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-still-baffled-people-are-paying-attention-to-them
CDC Still Baffled People Are Paying Attention To Them

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“People keep saying our suggestions on masking are dumb and make no sense,” said CDC regulator Lyle Howell. “But that’s all of our suggestions on everything. We have to keep making recommendations, though, to justify our existence and get a budget. But no one listens to them—not even us. So can’t you all just go back to ignoring us and stop yelling at us? I’m just here until I get my pension.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 30, 2021, 11:20:53 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/scientist-warns-of-new-supersize-double-mega-turbocharged-limited-edition-snyder-cut-covid-variant
Scientists Warn Of New Supersized Double Mega Limited Edition Teenage Mutant Ninja Snyder Cut COVID Variant With Frickin' Laser Cannons


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Fauci has promised the "Fauci Cut" coming soon, where he has total creative freedom to create the virus without the Chinese government editing his work so closely.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 30, 2021, 11:22:38 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 30, 2021, 11:20:53 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/scientist-warns-of-new-supersize-double-mega-turbocharged-limited-edition-snyder-cut-covid-variant
Scientists Warn Of New Supersized Double Mega Limited Edition Teenage Mutant Ninja Snyder Cut COVID Variant With Frickin' Laser Cannons



 Cool.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 31, 2021, 08:03:00 AM
Well, my natural immunity might possibly last up to 17 years. Too bad I am continually lumped in with other unvaccinated people who haven't had covid, when more and more research seems to indicate I have more robust immunity than vaccinated individuals.

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As public health policymakers reduce the discussion of immunity to vaccination status, largely ignored are the complexities of the human immune system. There are multiple highly encouraging research reports showing that blood cells in our body, so called "B cells and T cells," contribute to the cellular immunity after COVID-19. If SARS-CoV-2 immunity is similar to other severe coronavirus infections like SARS-CoV-1 immunity, that protection could last at least 17 years. However, tests to measure cellular immunity are complex and expensive, making them hard to get and preventing their use in routine medical practice or in public health surveys of the population.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/92836

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2021, 10:00:35 AM
^^^I see they mentioned the limiting factor: an easy and cheap way to measure for immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 31, 2021, 10:05:55 AM
https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/3381486/can-masturbating-boost-your-immune-system-fight-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 31, 2021, 10:18:21 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on July 31, 2021, 10:00:35 AM
^^^I see they mentioned the limiting factor: an easy and cheap way to measure for immunity.

Easy has to be overcome. Cheap does not. They could take a few hundred million dollars being thrown at the Kennedy Center and others and give it to researchers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 31, 2021, 04:00:03 PM
Quote from: Ben on July 30, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Well then, to my point about Ptown, it was apparently "bear week" when this outbreak happened:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/

Funny tangent, I knew nothing about Ptown gays, nor "bears" until one year hot Ukrainian coworker and I were flying scientific missions out of Hyannis (or high anus as I called it). On a free weekend, her and the female aircraft commander talked me into going to Ptown, telling me about all the good eats, cool waterfront, etc. I said sure, sounds fun. They knew about Ptown, and that there was some gayzor gathering there that week.  I was clueless and of course they didn't tell me as their little joke. What a freak show. It made those gay pride parades you see out of San Francisco look like an Amish prayer meeting.
In the case of 2 ÷ 3, it can be seen that the next digit "down' will always be 6, and no need to explore that down to the billionth iteration.[/quote]

Anecdotal Tangent:

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If you drop your wallet in Provincetown, kick it to Truro before you bend over to pick it up.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 01, 2021, 08:24:26 AM
A cousin in Germany telegrammed me (at 0400, because he can't do math) that demonstrations are starting up there due to new and reinstated restrictions. Lots of demonstrator/cop interactions apparently.

https://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/corona-demonstration-polizeihelikopter-im-einsatz-wasserwerfer-stehen-bereit-a3566042.html

I did read that unlike here, they take covid recovery and natural immunity into account and are asking people for proof of vaccination OR proof of having had the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 01, 2021, 12:53:42 PM
Apparently Germany isn't the only place. My cousin must be bored, as he is sending me tons of links. Most of Europe seems to be in the midst of covid lockdown protests, many with POlice interactions.

I haven't  really seen any of the stories he's sending me (including from Euro MSM outlets) talked about in the US MSM.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 01, 2021, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 01, 2021, 08:24:26 AM
A cousin in Germany telegrammed me (at 0400, because he can't do math) that demonstrations are starting up there due to new and reinstated restrictions. Lots of demonstrator/cop interactions apparently.

https://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/corona-demonstration-polizeihelikopter-im-einsatz-wasserwerfer-stehen-bereit-a3566042.html

I did read that unlike here, they take covid recovery and natural immunity into account and are asking people for proof of vaccination OR proof of having had the virus.

What if you are one of those people who has neither been vaccinated NOR had the disease?  Somebody who, for some reason, doesn't even GET this "disease"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 01, 2021, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 01, 2021, 10:13:56 PM
What if you are one of those people who has neither been vaccinated NOR had the disease?  Somebody who, for some reason, doesn't even GET this "disease"?

Probably stay the hell away from the vax,  and enjoy NOT having all the stupid side effects of the disease itself or the vaccine.  I remember when coffee was the most glorious smell ever.  Now it just smells like sulfur.  I still drink it, as I'm hopeless addicted to the stuff but the delightful smell is dead and gone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 02, 2021, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Andiron on August 01, 2021, 11:19:39 PM
Probably stay the hell away from the vax,  and enjoy NOT having all the stupid side effects of the disease itself or the vaccine.  I remember when coffee was the most glorious smell ever.  Now it just smells like sulfur.  I still drink it, as I'm hopeless addicted to the stuff but the delightful smell is dead and gone.

That is sad.
Over 35 years ago, I was working in a place with lots of solvents and I used to be able to tell MEK from MIBK or xylene or toluene by the smell.  As a result, I haven't been able to smell flowers or other mild/weak smells for over 20 years.  Strong smells like gasoline, natural gas, wood smoke, "Pepe LePew", etc., I can smell.  Even bacon that I am frying is a borderline smell.  =(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 02, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 02, 2021, 12:06:20 AM
That is sad.
Over 35 years ago, I was working in a place with lots of solvents and I used to be able to tell MEK from MIBK or xylene or toluene by the smell.  As a result, I haven't been able to smell flowers or other mild/weak smells for over 20 years.  Strong smells like gasoline, natural gas, wood smoke, "Pepe LePew", etc., I can smell.  Even bacon that I am frying is a borderline smell.  =(

I feel your pain. I used to be a somewhat heavy smoker. I now detect odors that don't exist. I'm not totally nose blind, but if I don't hear it, I can't distinguish between flatulence and fresh air ...

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 02, 2021, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 02, 2021, 12:06:20 AM
That is sad.
Over 35 years ago, I was working in a place with lots of solvents and I used to be able to tell MEK from MIBK or xylene or toluene by the smell.  As a result, I haven't been able to smell flowers or other mild/weak smells for over 20 years.  Strong smells like gasoline, natural gas, wood smoke, "Pepe LePew", etc., I can smell.  Even bacon that I am frying is a borderline smell.  =(

You've got my sympathy there,  it sucks not being able to smell.  I'm a better than average cook,  and I've been off my game since.  Can't smell a dish and adjust fire accurately on seasoning anymore.  To the point where I have to ask the wife for an nose/taste alibi.  I've taken to measuring everything in the hope of recreating good food, and it's sad.

OTOH,  I'm grateful to have had a REALLY easy time with covid, I know exactly 2 people that had a bad time and wouldn't trade places with them.

  Still not getting the goddamned jab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 02, 2021, 05:30:27 PM
Lindsey Graham has the 'rona ...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-tests-positive-covid-despite-vaccinated

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on August 02, 2021, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on August 02, 2021, 05:30:27 PM
Lindsey Graham has the 'rona ...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-tests-positive-covid-despite-vaccinated

If you can't say something nice,  don't say anything at all.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

That's simply awful,  and I wish for a speedy recovery for the *expletive deleted*ing tool.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 02, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
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"I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now," he continued. "My symptoms would be far worse."

How does he know that his symptoms would have been worse?  Un-vaxxed people get the China flu and don't even know they have it. 

Statements like that piss me off.  They have no idea if what they're saying is true or not, they're just pushing an agenda.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 02, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on August 02, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
How does he know that his symptoms would have been worse?  Un-vaxxed people get the China flu and don't even know they have it. 

Statements like that piss me off.  They have no idea if what they're saying is true or not, they're just pushing an agenda.

I think it's generally considered true that if you're vaccinated and get a breakthrough infection it will likely be less serious than if you were unvaxxed.  However, with regard to a particular individual,  your point is certainly valid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 02, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
The narrative is that if you get the 'Rona without the shots, you gonna DIE!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2021, 05:50:57 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 02, 2021, 07:09:54 PM
I think it's generally considered true that if you're vaccinated and get a breakthrough infection it will likely be less serious than if you were unvaxxed.  However, with regard to a particular individual,  your point is certainly valid.
Can you point me to the study that shows that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 03, 2021, 07:32:15 AM
I see Home Depot has gone back to 100% masking. I have to pick something up there in a couple of days. I'm going to try going in maskless and see what happens.

Costco usually jumps on this stuff first, but I see they are still "following the regulations of state and local jurisdictions".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2021, 07:43:55 AM
https://www.wfmj.com/story/44438633/home-depot-requires-workers-contractors-to-wear-masks

"The company said it is now requiring all workers, contractors, and vendors to wear a mask while inside its stores, distribution centers, offices, as well as customer’s homes and businesses.

The mask rule applies regardless of whether someone is vaccinated or not.

Home Depot says it is asking customers to mask up as well and will offer masks to those who don’t have one."



IOW, customers are not required to wear a mask, but are urged to do so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 03, 2021, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: K Frame on August 03, 2021, 07:43:55 AM
IOW, customers are required to wear a mask, but are urged to do so.

Ah, ok. I just saw the "masks required" thing on the news just now. They didn't make the distinction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 08:34:59 AM
My work just reinstated mask requirements indoors.  Fun. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 03, 2021, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 08:34:59 AM
My work just reinstated mask requirements indoors.  Fun. 

I'm really surprised that my company hasn't reissued the mask mandate out of an abundance of wokeness.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on August 03, 2021, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: K Frame on August 03, 2021, 08:43:18 AM
I'm really surprised that my company hasn't reissued the mask mandate out of an abundance of wokeness.

Mine has: "Per recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revised guidance, fully vaccinated people are to wear masks in indoor settings in areas of substantial or high transmission. The majority of our U.S. sites are currently in areas of substantial or high transmission. Therefore, all U.S. site-based employees, third-party workers and visitors will be required to wear a face mask at all times while onsite, effective Tuesday, August 3."

The bolding is the same as in the original.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 03, 2021, 05:50:57 AM
Can you point me to the study that shows that?

It's a information bit that's been pretty widely reported in the media, cable news, etc.  I don't know of any "studies,"  but I suspect that if there are any, they might be inconclusive or even contradictory.

I've read studies showing masks were inneffective, and others claiming they are.  I've seen videos of people  spraying aerosols through various masks, showing some appear to block the spray while others appear not to block anything .... yet viruses are so tiny they easily penetrate even the "effective" masks.

I do not think masks really do much .... atleast for a virus.

Even regular flu vaccines don't work 100%  I've seen some that were claimed to work even as low as 50%.   We were told that the mRNA vaccines were @95% effective.  In a country of 330,000,000 people a five percent failure rate is still a whole heckuva lot of people, numbers wise.  We should not be surprised or alarmed at these breakthrough cases, or be shocked our malignant myrmidon media malcontents would hype this to cause panic and garner ratings.

If you look at the  mortality rate of this latest spike,  it's way down from the earlier variant (s).  Deaths have pretty effectively been "decoupled" from cases.

One can attribute this to possibly  (A.)  The vaccines are working, even if to ameliorate symptoms in break through cases, (B.)  The D version of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - oooops, covid 19 is less fatal than the original variant, or (C.) Both A and B.

I am not a biophysicist, virologist, biomolecular transcendentalist, or a wizard, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.  But   ....  that's my two cents.   

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 03, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
There is no evidence that vaccines reduce symptoms in case of breakthrough infection. At least I've never seen any. But it's been repeated by the media so many times it's become common knowledge. Interestingly, nothing seems to be being done about stopping the spread if this misinformation, I guess because a lie in service to the cause is ok.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
There is indirect evidence in the number of deaths that  vaccines do work even if imperfectly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
Some of that could be because a lot of the people getting the vaccine are people with comorbidities who were more likely to die from COVID in the first place. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 03, 2021, 11:19:48 AM
A hell of a lot of people died WITH the 'Rona who were basically on the way out anyway...
 
That's how you get headlines.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2021, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
There is indirect evidence in the number of deaths that  vaccines do work even if imperfectly.
A big part of the drop in deaths compared to cases is that treatments have improved.  A lot of treatments done initially were found to actually be counterproductive and resulted in much higher death rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 03, 2021, 12:40:05 PM
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/hospitals-health-systems-mandating-vaccines-for-workersjune17.html?origin=BHRE&utm_source=BHRE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=7409B8471978I2B

Mandatory vaccinations for healthcare employees.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on August 03, 2021, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 03, 2021, 12:40:05 PM
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/hospitals-health-systems-mandating-vaccines-for-workersjune17.html?origin=BHRE&utm_source=BHRE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=7409B8471978I2B

Mandatory vaccinations for healthcare employees.

Oh, how nice. Let's use the health providers as guinea pigs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 03, 2021, 01:51:01 PM
Keep in mind that if nobody is dying from this horribly fatal superspreader disease, you can at least have a casedemic that will last through the elections...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 03, 2021, 12:03:42 PM
A big part of the drop in deaths compared to cases is that treatments have improved.  A lot of treatments done initially were found to actually be counterproductive and resulted in much higher death rate.

So ..... they finally admitted hydroxycoquiline  works?  :O

Seriously, I'm sure improved treatments is part of the reason,  but I still think vaccines are also a large part.  I'm not going to start second guessing which has a greater effect. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2021, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 02:41:22 PM
Seriously, I'm sure improved treatments is part of the reason,  but I still think vaccines are also a large part.  I'm not going to start second guessing which has a greater effect.
Vaccines have decreased the number of cases, but not the severity of breakthrough cases.  If you've got an actual study that shows otherwise please let me know.

I know lots of people are claiming that the vaccine cuts down on symptoms for breakthrough cases but I have yet to see any evidence of it.  The oft-cited Haas et al does not show it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
What is this, a graduate school level virologyy thesis? 

I have no study that shows what you want, I have no study that says the sky is blue or that 2+2=4.

I'm sorry to commit an act of heresy, but I tend to actually believe the reporting that numbers and severity are going down.  Haas study???  It doesn't do it?  [tinfoil]  Horrors!   

I know nothing of it.  I do seem to recall studies being advanced to show X,  only to see them disputed by Y or then be withdrawn because of XYZ. 

I'm not a scientist or Mr. Spock.    I understand the media is full of cr@p. 

But otoh either the vaccines actually do something or covid 19 really IS THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2021, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
But otoh either the vaccines actually do something or covid 19 really IS THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.
Yes, the vaccine really does something, but not reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
What is this, a graduate school level virologyy thesis? 

I have no study that shows what you want, I have no study that says the sky is blue or that 2+2=4.

I'm sorry to commit an act of heresy, but I tend to actually believe the reporting that numbers and severity are going down.  Haas study???  It doesn't do it?  [tinfoil]  Horrors!   

I know nothing of it.  I do seem to recall studies being advanced to show X,  only to see them disputed by Y or then be withdrawn because of XYZ. 

I'm not a scientist or Mr. Spock.    I understand the media is full of cr@p. 

But otoh either the vaccines actually do something or covid 19 really IS THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.
In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up.  If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working.  I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms.  Is that something seen with other viruses? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 03, 2021, 03:10:03 PM
Yes, the vaccine really does something, but not reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.

Why then do many scientists or doctors claim it does?   I can see cable TV myrmidons like Don Lemon talking through their hats,  but people who do understand how these things work? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up.  If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working.  I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms.  Is that something seen with other viruses?

Good question. 

Perhaps the antibodies being produced aren't strong enough to tko the covid19 virus but can weaken it.  It would be interesting to know if the people who have had break through infections have been immuno-compromised in any way. 

I've heard of people getting repeat cases of covid19, and speculation about those people being immunocompromised in some way.

Dang.   Now Cordex is going to ask me for a study ....   :facepalm:


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 03, 2021, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
Why then do many scientists or doctors claim it does?   I can see cable TV myrmidons like Don Lemon talking through their hats,  but people who do understand how these things work?
Maybe they have studies that have not been made public.  Maybe they have been misinformed.  Maybe they see it as a white lie in service to the greater good. 

After all, the vaccine does provide protection against initial infection.  If people hear about breakthrough infections - especially from variants that the vaccine is not as protective against they might feel that it isn't worth it.  If they say that it is protective even if you do get infected then it gives people incentive to get the injection regardless.

As Fauci has admitted, scientists and doctors have been willing to lie to change the public's behavior in a way they feel is beneficial.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 03, 2021, 05:00:06 PM
Maybe they have studies that have not been made public.  Maybe they have been misinformed.  Maybe they see it as a white lie in service to the greater good. 

After all, the vaccine does provide protection against initial infection.  If people hear about breakthrough infections - especially from variants that the vaccine is not as protective against they might feel that it isn't worth it.  If they say that it is protective even if you do get infected then it gives people incentive to get the injection regardless.

As Fauci has admitted, scientists and doctors have been willing to lie to change the public's behavior in a way they feel is beneficial.
Good point.  And that is one reason I never bothered to get a Flu vaccine.  There was no guarantee the vaccines would work against what I got exposed to. 

Add in that everyone has noticed the Govt willing to lie to manipulate public behavior and you get more public distrust of the experts and govt officials. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 03, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Good question. 

Perhaps the antibodies being produced aren't strong enough to tko the covid19 virus but can weaken it.  It would be interesting to know if the people who have had break through infections have been immuno-compromised in any way. 

I've heard of people getting repeat cases of covid19, and speculation about those people being immunocompromised in some way.

Dang.   Now Cordex is going to ask me for a study ....   :facepalm:
:laugh:
I figure part of it is some people just have weak immune systems so the vaccine won't generate the same response in everyone.  It could also just be variants of the main COVID virus that the vaccine can't protect from or maybe only partially help with. 

I also wonder if some of this is bad cases of the flu that are misdiagnosed.  Unlikely, but cold and flu seem to be at a low point due to all the behavioral changes over the last year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 03, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
Don't  trust the government's word that the vaccine is safe.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1422634496348901389
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 03, 2021, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 03, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
In general, vaccines are supposed to help your body prevent a viral infection in the first place by helping develop antibodies to attack the virus if it shows up.  If the viral infection takes hold anyway, that preventative is not working.  I don't see why the vaccine would then help with resulting symptoms.  Is that something seen with other viruses?

And this is the point - that vaccines are meant to prevent disease, not "lessen the severity".
For the last 70 years, the vaccines that I took as a child were meant to prevent.  Those include both the Salk (killed injectable) and Sabin (live oral) polio vaccines, tuberculosis, smallpox, the "D/P/T" (diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus), and the one I never took as it was developed much later, the "MMR" (measles/mumps/rubella) vaccine.  These all were designed to prevent all infection from these viruses, something this mRNA farce is incapable of doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 04, 2021, 09:58:13 AM
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210728/pfizer-vaccine-protection-wanes-after-6-months-study-finds

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1

Pfizer vaccine efficacy against COVID drops to the mid 80's percentile six months after immunization.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 04, 2021, 10:14:01 AM
Yeah, that squares with the "narrow and brief immunity" that I've heard attributed to the mRNA style vaccines.

I wonder if natural immunity is any better though.  I sure hope so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 04, 2021, 10:14:01 AM
Yeah, that squares with the "narrow and brief immunity" that I've heard attributed to the mRNA style vaccines.

I wonder if natural immunity is any better though.  I sure hope so.

How about both since I've had both?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 04, 2021, 10:14:01 AM
Yeah, that squares with the "narrow and brief immunity" that I've heard attributed to the mRNA style vaccines.

I wonder if natural immunity is any better though.  I sure hope so.

I've seen several articles recently that stated natural immunity could last seventeen years or longer, and possibly for life.  A quick search would likely turn them up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 04, 2021, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
I've seen several articles recently that stated natural immunity could last seventeen years or longer, and possibly for life.  A quick search would likely turn them up.
Those rely on experience with similar viruses, don't they?  Hope that's indicative, but I think we're going to have to see if this one is different.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 04, 2021, 10:22:07 AM
Those rely on experience with similar viruses, don't they?  Hope that's indicative, but I think we're going to have to see if this one is different.

I posted the link to the peer reviewed paper on this, published in Nature. Might even be up a page or two in this thread.

The SARS/Covid1 natural antibodies are still going strong 17 years later, which was apparently the oldest sample they could get. The paper seemed to allude to the fact that 17 years is indicative of lifetime immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 04, 2021, 11:18:00 AM

I posted the link to the peer reviewed paper on this, published in Nature. Might even be up a page or two in this thread.

The SARS/Covid1 natural antibodies are still going strong 17 years later, which was apparently the oldest sample they could get. The paper seemed to allude to the fact that 17 years is indicative of lifetime immunity.

That's the info I was referring to.  However, I now realize I misread it the first time.  The seventeen year and possible lifetime immunity was concerning SARS-CoV-1, not SARS-CoV-2, aka Covid-19.  There is much similarity in the relevant genetic structure of the two viruses (99% plus), and scientists are beginning to think that Covid-19 immunity might be long lasting as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2021, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 01:18:18 PM
There is much similarity in the relevant genetic structure of the two viruses (99% plus), and scientists are beginning to think that Covid-19 immunity might be long lasting as well.

This is what I got out of it too, and what I have also read elsewhere. It is why I am currently sticking to "no vaccine" for myself. I see no need to be injected with something that would give me less robust antibodies than I already have, plus I already dealt/am dealing with covid/long haul covid, so  I don't want to add another variable.

If enough verifiable, different research comes out as time goes on, I will reevaluate as necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2021, 03:12:13 PM
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AOC masks up for a photo op, removes it moments later while she mingles with the crowd.
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 04, 2021, 03:23:18 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 03:31:45 PM
I personally figure that we're going to see at least one celebrity panic... and then find out when they call the ambulance and get the ride to the emergency room, that... they have a cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 03:38:28 PM
I love how people have completely ignored the isolated populations, such as the cruise ships, navy vessels, etc, where folks were in fairly close contact, and so many folks just did not get sick... Gee, maybe someone had had the right kind of cold previously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 04, 2021, 01:28:13 PM
This is what I got out of it too, and what I have also read elsewhere. It is why I am currently sticking to "no vaccine" for myself. I see no need to be injected with something that would give me less robust antibodies than I already have, plus I already dealt/am dealing with covid/long haul covid, so  I don't want to add another variable.

If enough verifiable, different research comes out as time goes on, I will reevaluate as necessary.

That's pretty much where I am at the moment.  My wife and I are 99% sure we caught the beer virus from her son last Thanksgiving when he and his wife were over for dinner.  My father-in-law caught it then, too.  My stepson and his wife subsequently tested positive for Covid, and he had a rough time with it, having to be hospitalized for a few days.  He has a few complicating health factors that increased the severity of his case.
I will be making an appointment at a local CVS pharmacy that offers antibody testing.  According to their website, the test can determine if a person has had Covid-19 at some point in the past.  It will not tell if there is a current infection.  There is apparently a separate test for ongoing cases.
The cost is only $38, and they accept walk-ins.  I figure it will provide me with some documentation if it confirms that I did indeed have the beer virus last December (early December is when the symptoms began appearing).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 03, 2021, 02:47:17 PM
Vaccines have decreased the number of cases, but not the severity of breakthrough cases.  If you've got an actual study that shows otherwise please let me know.

I know lots of people are claiming that the vaccine cuts down on symptoms for breakthrough cases but I have yet to see any evidence of it.  The oft-cited Haas et al does not show it.

CDC Release: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

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In the new analysis, 3,975 participants completed weekly SARS-CoV-2 testing for 17 consecutive weeks (from December 13, 2020 to April 10, 2021) in eight U.S. locations. Participants self-collected nasal swabs that were laboratory tested for SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes COVID-19. If the tests came back positive, the specimens were further tested to determine the amount of detectable virus in the nose (i.e., viral load) and the number of days that participants tested positive (i.e., viral shedding). Participants were followed over time and the data were analyzed according to vaccination status. To evaluate vaccine benefits, the study investigators accounted for the circulation of SARS-CoV-2 viruses in the area and how consistently participants used personal protective equipment (PPE) at work and in the community. Once fully vaccinated, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 91 percent. After partial vaccination, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 81 percent. These estimates included symptomatic and asymptomatic infections.

To determine whether COVID-19 illness was milder, study participants who became infected with SARS-CoV-2 were combined into a single group and compared to unvaccinated, infected participants. Several findings indicated that those who became infected after being fully or partially vaccinated were more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who were unvaccinated. For example, fully or partially vaccinated people who developed COVID-19 spent on average six fewer total days sick and two fewer days sick in bed. They also had about a 60 percent lower risk of developing symptoms, like fever or chills, compared to those who were unvaccinated. Some study participants infected with SARS-CoV-2 did not develop symptoms.

Different study from NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058

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RESULTS
SARS-CoV-2 was detected in 204 participants (5%), of whom 5 were fully vaccinated (≥14 days after dose 2), 11 partially vaccinated (≥14 days after dose 1 and <14 days after dose 2), and 156 unvaccinated; the 32 participants with indeterminate vaccination status (<14 days after dose 1) were excluded. Adjusted vaccine effectiveness was 91% (95% confidence interval [CI], 76 to 97) with full vaccination and 81% (95% CI, 64 to 90) with partial vaccination. Among participants with SARS-CoV-2 infection, the mean viral RNA load was 40% lower (95% CI, 16 to 57) in partially or fully vaccinated participants than in unvaccinated participants. In addition, the risk of febrile symptoms was 58% lower (relative risk, 0.42; 95% CI, 0.18 to 0.98) and the duration of illness was shorter, with 2.3 fewer days spent sick in bed (95% CI, 0.8 to 3.7).

Study on Health care workers, to be fair it does mention lingering symptoms: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

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RESULTS
Among 1497 fully vaccinated health care workers for whom RT-PCR data were available, 39 SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections were documented. Neutralizing antibody titers in case patients during the peri-infection period were lower than those in matched uninfected controls (case-to-control ratio, 0.361; 95% confidence interval, 0.165 to 0.787). Higher peri-infection neutralizing antibody titers were associated with lower infectivity (higher Ct values). Most breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, although 19% had persistent symptoms (>6 weeks). The B.1.1.7 (alpha) variant was found in 85% of samples tested. A total of 74% of case patients had a high viral load (Ct value, <30) at some point during their infection; however, of these patients, only 17 (59%) had a positive result on concurrent Ag-RDT. No secondary infections were documented.

Systemic review of vaccines among healthcare workers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8284046/
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These interim results of a living systematic review show that after completed course the EMA-approved COVID-19 vaccines have a VE of 80% to 90% in preventing SARS-CoV2 infections, including asymptomatic ones. We found some indication that VE estimates are not reduced in cases infected with variant of concern (VOC) Alpha (Phylogenetic Assignment of Named Global Outbreak (Pango) lineage designation B.1.1.7), however these results should be interpreted with caution. VE against infection can also be regarded as an indicator of how well a vaccine prevents transmission. In addition, studies suggest that persons who become SARS-CoV-2-positive despite vaccination had a shorter duration of virus shedding and lower viral load [8].

Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33985964/

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Results: Participants aged 80 years and older vaccinated with BNT162b2 before 4 January 2021 had a higher odds of testing positive for covid-19 in the first nine days after vaccination (odds ratio up to 1.48, 95% confidence interval 1.23 to 1.77), indicating that those initially targeted had a higher underlying risk of infection. Vaccine effectiveness was therefore compared with the baseline post-vaccination period. Vaccine effects were noted 10 to 13 days after vaccination, reaching a vaccine effectiveness of 70% (95% confidence interval 59% to 78%), then plateauing. From 14 days after the second dose a vaccination effectiveness of 89% (85% to 93%) was found compared with the increased baseline risk. Participants aged 70 years and older vaccinated from 4 January (when ChAdOx1-S delivery commenced) had a similar underlying risk of covid-19 to unvaccinated individuals. With BNT162b2, vaccine effectiveness reached 61% (51% to 69%) from 28 to 34 days after vaccination, then plateaued. With ChAdOx1-S, effects were seen from 14 to 20 days after vaccination, reaching an effectiveness of 60% (41% to 73%) from 28 to 34 days, increasing to 73% (27% to 90%) from day 35 onwards. On top of the protection against symptomatic disease, a further 43% (33% to 52%) reduced risk of emergency hospital admission and 51% (37% to 62%) reduced risk of death was observed in those who had received one dose of BNT162b2. Participants who had received one dose of ChAdOx1-S had a further 37% (3% to 59%) reduced risk of emergency hospital admission. Follow-up was insufficient to assess the effect of ChAdOx1-S on mortality. Combined with the effect against symptomatic disease, a single dose of either vaccine was about 80% effective at preventing admission to hospital with covid-19 and a single dose of BNT162b2 was 85% effective at preventing death with covid-19.

There are more.  Several of these, and more are in the sources section of this brief: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

Also, while anecdotes are not data, I can confirm that at our local hospitals breakthrough cases require in patient care at a much lower rete.  Currently something like 9% of the in-patient cases at Mrs. Mush's hospital are breakthrough cases, which would lend credence to the idea that they are less severe.  Hillsborough county is currently 46.8% vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 03, 2021, 10:43:42 PM
And this is the point - that vaccines are meant to prevent disease, not "lessen the severity".
For the last 70 years, the vaccines that I took as a child were meant to prevent.  Those include both the Salk (killed injectable) and Sabin (live oral) polio vaccines, tuberculosis, smallpox, the "D/P/T" (diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus), and the one I never took as it was developed much later, the "MMR" (measles/mumps/rubella) vaccine.  These all were designed to prevent all infection from these viruses, something this mRNA farce is incapable of doing.

No they weren't.  That's not how vaccines work.

Polio: 90% at two doses and 99% at three. (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html)

Tuberculosis: 20% effective (https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-helps-explain-tuberculosis-vaccines-ineffective/)

Smallpox: 95% effective (https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html)

D/P/T: Diphtheria 95%, Whooping Cough 98% dropping to 70% in 5 years or 70% dropping to 40% in 10 years, depending on which variety, Tetanus 95% (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/public/index.html)

MMR: Measles 93%, Mumps 78%, and Rubella 97%.  You can get Measles up to 97% and Mumps up to 88% with a booster. (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/public/index.html)

Ironically the only reason that people think those vaccines are so effective is that pretty much everyone gets them, in some cases because they are mandatory. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:57:17 PM
On the disease severity question:  In general vaccines give your immune system a head start on fighting off the virus.  They don't keep viral particles from entering your body, or attacking your cells, they just make it so your immune system stops more of them.  you get "the disease" when the viral particles wreak enough damage to your cells to give you symptoms.  Unchecked by your immune system this can run wild and you can die. (see: hemorrhagic fevers).  Mostly held in check by your immune system you get the sniffles. (see: Corona version that gives you a cold).  There is a spectrum in between those extremes, where your immune system (vaccine enhanced or not) blocks some but not all of the viral particles from destroying cells and reproducing.  The vaccines lower the amount of viral particles that make it to your cells and reproduce, which results in less cell destruction, less symptoms, and a quicker overall course before you defeat the disease.  That's true of pretty much any vaccine, not just COVID's.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 04, 2021, 05:23:47 PM
Thanks dogmush.  I retract my objections.

Quote from: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
CDC Release: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

Different study from NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058
Pretty sure these are actually the same study.  At least when HEROES/RECOVER is mentioned they reference Thompson et al.

They based their findings from 5 fully vaccinated and 11 partially vaccinated cases compared to 156 unvaccinated cases?  Pretty slim numbers, but the viral load measurements are a great indicator.

Quote from: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Systemic review of vaccines among healthcare workers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8284046/
That references this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673621006280
This does show a reduced viral load but I think this is comparing the effectiveness of one type of vaccine to another as it relates to a particular variant.  Also not sure what the control vaccine was.

Quote from: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33985964/
As I read this, this is just comparing the effectiveness of two vaccines on a variant, not exploring whether breakthrough infections are less severe.

Even so, some good information and all indicating reduced viral load for vaccine breakthrough cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 06:08:28 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/10/flu-cases-historically-low-during-covid-what-expect-fall/7088318002/

Was it due to masking? Was it due to isolation? Or... was it just called 'Rona?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on August 04, 2021, 06:40:31 PM
I want to know what is happening in China. You don’t lock a city down over 70 cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 04, 2021, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: French G. on August 04, 2021, 06:40:31 PM
I want to know what is happening in China. You don’t lock a city down over 70 cases.

You do if you want to encourage panic around the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
That's the thing - they started the kerfuffle as a cover for cremation of their Hong Kong protesters (which the left won't talk about, and the media ignores), and when they saw that the US actually believed it, and that it was turning into a perfect storm of propaganda, they cranked it up. The media pushed safety - perfect safety - as the goal, and portrayed a bug that mostly killed people with one foot already in the grave as being deadly to everyone. Because, gee... it was the perfect chance to get at Orange Man, who had to rely upon... bureaucrats.... Who saw their chance for even more power at the same time. The push for perfect safety allowed cover for massive alterations of the voting process, and quite likely some serious fraud. Nothing with central planning - just a bunch of people who thought, thanks to media, that they were Doing The Right Thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
That's the thing - they started the kerfuffle as a cover for cremation of their Hong Kong protesters (which the left won't talk about, and the media ignores), and when they saw that the US actually believed it, and that it was turning into a perfect storm of propaganda, they cranked it up. The media pushed safety - perfect safety - as the goal, and portrayed a bug that mostly killed people with one foot already in the grave as being deadly to everyone. Because, gee... it was the perfect chance to get at Orange Man, who had to rely upon... bureaucrats.... Who saw their chance for even more power at the same time. The push for perfect safety allowed cover for massive alterations of the voting process, and quite likely some serious fraud. Nothing with central planning - just a bunch of people who thought, thanks to media, that they were Doing The Right Thing.

Ignoring the rest of this ramble, the part I bolded is a verifiably untrue statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 10:57:44 PM
Okay... When they put down the protests, and carted the folks off... any idea of what happened to them? I sincerely doubt that they'll be back.
 
It was a perfect storm of propaganda. And our media took it and ran...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 04, 2021, 11:50:58 PM
You do realize it was like 8 months between SARS-COV-2 getting out and the protest crackdown, right?  And the CCP has never bothered to cover up any other mass arrest and disappearing of dissidents?

So the CCP started a global pandemic "kerflufle" let it burn through several mainland cities, and waited 8 months before grabbing a couple hundred Hong Kongers in April?

That's categorically not what happened, and doesn't even pass the most basic common sense test.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
Uh... Maybe I need to hop in the wayback machine... I remember seeing the protests, and Hong Kong folks getting herded out afterward... And then a bit after that, China was releasing video of folks in moon suits scraping people off the streets and welding apartment buildings closed...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 05, 2021, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: French G. on August 04, 2021, 06:40:31 PM
I want to know what is happening in China. You don’t lock a city down over 70 cases.

Locking down when there are 70 makes a whole lot more sense than waiting for the inevitable 70,000 if you do not lock down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 05, 2021, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
Uh... Maybe I need to hop in the wayback machine... I remember seeing the protests, and Hong Kong folks getting herded out afterward... And then a bit after that, China was releasing video of folks in moon suits scraping people off the streets and welding apartment buildings closed...

Did the Chinese Communist Party also infiltrate St Louis and fake its hospitalisation and death data? And have Chinese factories been busy making fake bodies to ship around the world to clog up morgues and funeral homes?

Some of the stuff that gets said here rivals the conspiracy theories out of less developed parts of the world that get lampooned here. I reckon there are some shamans out there in the worlds jungles making more sense of Corona than this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 12:08:41 AM
Here's the St. Louis City covid data page.
 
0.171% fatalities WITH the bug in the City since it started.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

I also found it interesting there were no "under age 40" victims listed until the new activist mayor got in office...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 12:15:18 AM
This is from May of last  year... Easy fast search tho...
 
Saw one report that was putting the St. Louis area at over 50%...
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/?sh=3df336a674cd
 
Gotta count the SNFs, hospices, and all the folks with DNR orders... Because it's a PANDEMIC!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 05, 2021, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 12:08:41 AM
Here's the St. Louis City covid data page.
 
0.171% fatalities WITH the bug in the City since it started.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

I also found it interesting there were no "under age 40" victims listed until the new activist mayor got in office...

Not sure about your math there - that website says 24174 cases, and 546 deaths. How’d you get 0.171 percent????
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 12:43:41 AM
Overall population - after all this _is_ a very infectious bug, with somewhere around 90% of the people who contract it not displaying symptoms... I also know people who tested positive, multiple times, and kept going back, because they needed a negative for work... Along with the people who thought that getting tested was protective. STL City is a very urban area, and more than a few of the residents avail themselves of any free service at the drop of a hat.
 
When you look at a statistic that is based only upon people presenting for treatment/testing displaying enough symptoms to warrant the attention, then you have a VERY skewed final product. And there is a huge bias in how the data is accepted... For example, the Seattle-area nursing home where it first got noticed had 30% fatalities among the residents - one helluva headline, right? But they ignored that none of the 47 workers at the facility died... And were, in fact, also working at other facilities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 05, 2021, 12:48:01 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
Uh... Maybe I need to hop in the wayback machine... I remember seeing the protests, and Hong Kong folks getting herded out afterward... And then a bit after that, China was releasing video of folks in moon suits scraping people off the streets and welding apartment buildings closed...

The bug got out in late Sep, early Oct 2019. Wuhan and nearby cities were locked down in late Jan 2020. That's the welded up apartments you remember seeing. CCP cracked down and disappeared the protesters in late April-early May of 2020.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 08:11:43 AM
Disappearing unwanted persons is nothing new in China or in any other past or present communist country and they're experts at playing mind games with it. On the one hand they deny it ever happened and on the other they want people to know it happened so that they know what will happen to them if they dare question and/or embarrass the party. They have no need of a virus to cover it up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 05, 2021, 08:12:23 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 12:43:41 AM
Overall population - after all this _is_ a very infectious bug, with somewhere around 90% of the people who contract it not displaying symptoms... I also know people who tested positive, multiple times, and kept going back, because they needed a negative for work... Along with the people who thought that getting tested was protective. STL City is a very urban area, and more than a few of the residents avail themselves of any free service at the drop of a hat.
 
When you look at a statistic that is based only upon people presenting for treatment/testing displaying enough symptoms to warrant the attention, then you have a VERY skewed final product. And there is a huge bias in how the data is accepted... For example, the Seattle-area nursing home where it first got noticed had 30% fatalities among the residents - one helluva headline, right? But they ignored that none of the 47 workers at the facility died... And were, in fact, also working at other facilities.

Still not seeing how you got .171 percent there? Especially when the official figures are pretty much consistent with the whole worlds death rate?

Can you just break down the math from the St. Louis figures that gets you to .171?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 08:29:04 AM
Okay, apparently some people got it in their head that a treatment for horse worms will cure COVID

Doctor warns Ivermectin animal paste is dangerous for humans & doesn’t help COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/05/doctor-warns-ivermectin-animal-paste-is-dangerous-humans-doesnt-help-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 05, 2021, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 05, 2021, 08:12:23 AM
Still not seeing how you got .171 percent there? Especially when the official figures are pretty much consistent with the whole worlds death rate?

Can you just break down the math from the St. Louis figures that gets you to .171?
Google says the total population is around 308,000.  549 is in the ballpark of 0.18% of that total.  Not sure what numbers Bogie used. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 05, 2021, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 08:29:04 AM
Okay, apparently some people got it in their head that a treatment for horse worms will cure COVID

Doctor warns Ivermectin animal paste is dangerous for humans & doesn’t help COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/05/doctor-warns-ivermectin-animal-paste-is-dangerous-humans-doesnt-help-covid-19/

Treatments for horse worms might be a step up from fishtank cleaners ......  [tinfoil]  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 05, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 08:29:04 AM
Okay, apparently some people got it in their head that a treatment for horse worms will cure COVID

Doctor warns Ivermectin animal paste is dangerous for humans & doesn’t help COVID-19
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/05/doctor-warns-ivermectin-animal-paste-is-dangerous-humans-doesnt-help-covid-19/

If you dose it correctly, it might work. (I have no idea why or how it works because as that article says it's not an antiviral)  But I wouldn't try to use the 1.87% stuff for humans; it's too strong.  The sheep formulation is a little less than 0.1% and might be appropriate.  I've used that for my dogs when I couldn't get in to the vet to buy heartworm preventative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 10:02:17 AM
I'll take a wait and see before I start swallowing something that kills worms in horses for a virus .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
This is CNN

Quote
    CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate. https://t.co/wgkh1Pwy9i

    — The New York Times (@nytimes) August 5, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/05/heres-what-is-and-isnt-enough-to-get-cnn-to-fire-somebody/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
And we also have this

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    White House COVID-19 response coordinator Jeff Zients announces that Yelp will roll out feature allowing consumers to search for businesses that require fully vaccinated workers or proof of vaccination for entry. https://t.co/jjjmpFPssx pic.twitter.com/aqIvyYCEgM

    — ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 5, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/05/this-will-not-go-well-yelp-to-roll-out-feature-allowing-consumers-to-search-for-business-that-require-proof-of-vaccination-for-entry/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Might be a good time to be a lawyer
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 05, 2021, 11:43:29 PM
The fun part is that they keep insisting that drugs that have proven to have prophylactic efficacy in some trials be treated, and tested, like actual antivirals... Nope. But that's the story.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 06, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
Because of the spike in our area, starting next week, employees have to go back to mask plus eye protection (goggles or faceshield) if we are inside our healthcare facilities. As if my glasses were not fogging up enough already.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 06, 2021, 04:18:47 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w#T2_down
According to this study (another one drawing conclusions from small sample sizes), natural immunity alone is more likely to result in a reinfection than vaccinated + natural immunity.

Meanwhile, an English study says that vaccination does not decrease the levels of the virus in your system if are infected by the Delta variant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 06, 2021, 05:51:07 PM
Cordex - a couple of days ago, you had posted something about "natural immunity" and its longevity.  That may depend on any other health problems or physical changes in your body that occur after exposure.
Here are two personal examples.  As a child, our mother took me and my younger brother around to neighbor's kids that had the mumps as she knew the problems that happen to males that get the mumps as adults.  This was prior to the development of the MMR vaccine in 1971 and, as we were both born in 1957 and earlier, the CDC said it was necessary for us to get the vaccine.  Despite our childhood exposure, my brother and I never got the mumps.
The other is that no doctor has ever diagnosed me as having (or had - afterwards) the flu.  I have never felt so sick from an "illness" (except when my appendix burst) that I thought had the flu.  I have also never had a flu shot.  In October 2019, my mother got a flu shot.  Six months later, she ended up in the hospital for a week with BOTH the flu and a UTI.  I was around her at least once or twice a week before and after that hospital stay - and NOTHING.  In fact, that was the first time I had to wear one of those disposable "face diapers", just so I could answer the nurse's questions to get her admitted.  In breathing through that stupid thing, I apparently breathed in particles from the inside surface and had a coughing fit so bad that I had to step outside the tent and cough it up and spit out whatever was irritating my throat !

Here's a Youtube link of a Zoom meeting between some doctors where one theorizes the clotting problems are caused by the spike proteins forming on the smooth capillary walls and making them rough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 06, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
A good friend of mine had not been by all week. When I say good friend, he used to come by twice a month and do my blood for nothing.

His department got shut down last year due to the covid. So he decided to retire.

He is fully vaccinated but his wife has only had one shot. Tuesday she had a 106 temp and tested positive. He has nothing. She is about over it but he won't visit for a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 07, 2021, 01:55:23 AM
Had bronchitis this week, and the doc-in-a-box insisted on a covid test. Negative again, just like when my wife had the China virus last year.

If there's anybody out there taking almost no precautions against this disease, it's me. But it keeps refusing to infect me. And my part of town is apparently lousy with the stuff, compared to further south. I now know how Key & Peele felt. https://youtu.be/4xyhVO-SWfM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 07, 2021, 06:52:08 AM
A temperature of 106 should have put her in the CCU.

That right around where brain damage starts to happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
Another study on natural immunity, this one focusing on 8 months of covid 2 (current covid) data vs the study looking at 17 years of covid 1 immunity.

Quote
People who have recovered from COVID-19 retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, according to a new study.

Findings of the study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far, have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses.

For the longitudinal study in Cell Reports Medicine, researchers looked at 254 patients with mostly mild to moderate symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection over a period of more than eight months (250 days) and found that their immune response to the virus remained durable and strong.

The findings are reassuring, especially given early reports during the pandemic that protective neutralizing antibodies didn’t last in COVID-19 patients, said Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.

“The study serves as a framework to define and predict long-lived immunity to SARS-CoV-2 after natural infection. We also saw indications in this phase that natural immunity could continue to persist,” Ahmed said.

The research team will continue to evaluate this cohort over the next few years.

The researchers found that not only did the immune response increase with disease severity but also with each decade of age regardless of disease severity, suggesting that there are additional unknown factors influencing age-related differences in COVID-19 responses.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-survivors-have-broad-longer-term-immunity_3928732.html

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666379121002032%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 07, 2021, 10:15:01 PM
https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/2021/jul/30/cdc-says-vaccinated-can-still-spread-covid/
CDC Says Vaccinated Can Still Spread COVID

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance

I saw a video earlier and the CDC person didn't qualify the statement.  Just said vaccinated people can spread the virus.  Many of the links include qualifications in their statements so their may have been further announcements.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 08, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
If your last name is Obama, you are immune to the virus and also can't be a carrier. Otherwise the MSM would be all over this [trump] wouldn't they?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-silent-obama-dances-maskless-crowded-tent
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 09, 2021, 10:05:49 AM
The White House has teamed up with TikTok stars, while some states are paying “local micro influencers” for pro-vaccine campaigns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/technology/vaccine-lies-influencer-army.html

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To reach these young people, the White House has enlisted an eclectic army of more than 50 Twitch streamers, YouTubers, TikTokers and the 18-year-old pop star Olivia Rodrigo, all of them with enormous online audiences. State and local governments have begun similar campaigns, in some cases paying “local micro influencers” — those with 5,000 to 100,000 followers — up to $1,000 a month to promote Covid-19 vaccines to their fans.

I would like to know who took the money.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 09, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
18% of illegal alien families released by Border Patrol have tested positive for COVID:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244

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WASHINGTON — More than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid on leaving Border Patrol custody over the past two to three weeks, according to a document prepared this week for a Thursday briefing with President Joe Biden.

Some flights scheduled to deport migrants had more than 25 percent of passengers test positive before departure, leading Immigration and Customs Enforcement to remove those migrants from the flights for quarantine in the U.S., according to the document.

The Department of Homeland Security document does not give precise dates or say how many migrants were tested.

Migrants are not tested for Covid in Border Patrol custody unless they show symptoms, but all are tested when they leave Border Patrol custody, according to DHS officials. Immigrants who are allowed to stay in the U.S. to claim asylum are given tests when they are transferred to ICE, Health and Human Services or non-governmental organizations. Deportees who are scheduled to be put on planes out of the U.S. are tested for Covid and other infectious diseases by ICE.

What percentage of the U.S. population has tested positive for COVID?  It's less than 2%, isn't it?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 09, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on August 09, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
18% of illegal alien families released by Border Patrol have tested positive for COVID:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244

What percentage of the U.S. population has tested positive for COVID?  It's less than 2%, isn't it?

Here's what the MSM has to say (and deflect) about that:

https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424705970366734347

https://twitter.com/i/status/1424718436899360775
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 09, 2021, 02:01:34 PM
Pentagon to require all troops get COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.wlky.com/article/pentagon-to-require-all-troops-get-covid-19-vaccine/37260545
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 09, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 09, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
Here's what the MSM has to say (and deflect) about that:

https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1424705970366734347

https://twitter.com/i/status/1424718436899360775
I wonder if the total Texas cases include illegals tested and released at the border.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on August 09, 2021, 02:49:39 PM
This weekend I saw a pair of street preachers with signs declaring the Covid vaccine to be the mark of the beast.   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 09, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Pb on August 09, 2021, 02:49:39 PM
This weekend I saw a pair of street preachers with signs declaring the Covid vaccine to be the mark of the beast.   [tinfoil]

Clowns to the Left of Me, Jokers to the Right
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 09, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Regarding the number of the beast and all the other eschatology in popular media.

If you are going to go biblical just focus on God the creator and the express image of his person, The Lord Jesus. The primary place to focus is on God, the creator of being (you/us) and the salvation offered in the Lord Jesus.

Both believers and and non non-believers are being bombarded with christian/antichristian themes and stories continually.

Don't lose the real Christian narrative in the noise.

-theology mode off-

Thanks for your patience with me  ;)


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 09, 2021, 05:34:43 PM
At first I thought this was just some rando, but apparently it's part of a series of videos from the White House PR dept to promote vaccination.

As the comments suggest, if the WH is blaming conservatives for not getting vaccinated, they may have wanted to go in another direction. This will have the opposite effect on most conservatives.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/09/cringe-alert-will-this-latest-video-from-the-white-house-convince-many-people-to-get-vaccinated/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on August 09, 2021, 05:55:18 PM
Ok, after watching that video, I don't understand how that was supposed to convince anyone to get the vax. You're right, if their target market for that is conservatives, I don't think they could have missed more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 09, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
Conservatives are not their market. The largest groups of unvaccinated are in large democat cities. They just don't want that narrative getting out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 09, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 09, 2021, 05:34:43 PM
At first I thought this was just some rando, but apparently it's part of a series of videos from the White House PR dept to promote vaccination.

As the comments suggest, if the WH is blaming conservatives for not getting vaccinated, they may have wanted to go in another direction. This will have the opposite effect on most conservatives.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/09/cringe-alert-will-this-latest-video-from-the-white-house-convince-many-people-to-get-vaccinated/

What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck was that? Tell me that was some kind of parody and not an actual release from the government.  :rofl:
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 09, 2021, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 07, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
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    The findings are reassuring, especially given early reports during the pandemic that protective neutralizing antibodies didn’t last in COVID-19 patients, said Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.

   ....


That's just one example of why I find this entire "pandemic" to be one huge farce.

I'd laugh my fool head off if the "pandemic" didn't contain so much sadness in so many forms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 10, 2021, 09:03:18 AM
Meanwhile, in France, people are walking around with QR codes for cops and businesses to scan. Not to be all over the top, but watching the videos of that QR scanning really reminds me of "mark of the beast".

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/10/papers-please-armed-police-officers-begin-enforcing-vaccine-passport-rules-in-paris/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 10, 2021, 09:07:24 AM
2020: I'm your worse *expletive deleted*ing nightmare
2021: Hold my beer
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 10, 2021, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 09, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck was that? Tell me that was some kind of parody and not an actual release from the government.  :rofl:
 :facepalm:
I heard someone say that might be an actual assistant to Jen Psaki (press secretary). 

The administration is paying out money to YouTube and other social media (the Chinese video app) "influencers" to push the vaccines.  I heard it was as much as $50K to some.  I figure they are getting more marching orders than just vaccination propaganda. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 10, 2021, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 10, 2021, 09:03:18 AM
Meanwhile, in France, people are walking around with QR codes for cops and businesses to scan. Not to be all over the top, but watching the videos of that QR scanning really reminds me of "mark of the beast".

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/10/papers-please-armed-police-officers-begin-enforcing-vaccine-passport-rules-in-paris/
The uniforms are different, but you could cut in just about any movie footage of WWII in Nazi territory where they were stopping people to check their papers and travel passes.  I guess I will likely see that soon if youtube and others don't block it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 10, 2021, 12:34:50 PM
I've been told that a standard technique in France is to have one person with a valid pass enter into a club then then send screenshots of their QR code to the friends still outside to scan them in. The restaurants are supposed to verify ID also but they don't really care usually.

Worse than the existence of the pass at all, is the government mandating or even having the bravery to ask private businesses to enforce it. It's an unfunded recruitment of private labor for government enforcement. Everyone should refuse to play along and require the government to hire millions of enforcers rather than expect private businesses to act as police or bureaucrats.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on August 10, 2021, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 09, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck was that? Tell me that was some kind of parody and not an actual release from the government.  :rofl:
 :facepalm:

We are living in clown world.

Unfortunately, it is not as funny as the name would suggest.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 10, 2021, 10:19:03 PM
Sen. Rand Paul suspended from YouTube for making false COVID claims, per report
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/11/sen-rand-paul-suspended-youtube-making-false-covid-claims-per-report/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 10, 2021, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 08, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
If your last name is Obama, you are immune to the virus and also can't be a carrier. Otherwise the MSM would be all over this [trump] wouldn't they?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-silent-obama-dances-maskless-crowded-tent

Did anybody happen to notice how silent "Freaky Fauci" was when it came to "Jug-Ears" birthday party?  And on Lollapalooza in Chicago?  :O
But he lambasted an open air gathering of motorcyclists (Sturgis), calling it a "superspreader event".  :mad:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 10, 2021, 10:48:28 PM
Obama and Lollapalooza attendees are sophisticated,  bikers are just a bunch of dirty Patriots.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2021, 08:57:39 AM
Rand Paul has been suspended from youtube for "misinformation". The "misinformation" was a quote directly from peer reviewed, published research that indicated cloth masks were ineffective.

I don't like any of youtube's "curating", but when they do it to media people for making opinion statements or hearsay, even though they only seem to do so for certain views, that's one thing. When they start "curating" PEER REVIEWED stuff, that's outright thought control.

Several of us in this thread have posted links to peer reviewed research, with the various links often contradicting each other, but that's what science is all about. Various researchers arrive at different conclusions, so you discuss and continue research. Once you start censoring and "disappearing" vetted research, not only are you being totalitarian, you're actually crushing the scientific method.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 11, 2021, 09:00:24 AM
Looks like Oregon is going back to mandatory indoor masking:

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Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) announced on Tuesday that she will reimpose a statewide mandate for masks to be worn in all indoor public settings to address a surge in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations driven by the delta variant.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/oregon-governor-to-reimpose-statewide-indoor-mask-mandate_3942984.html

I guess I'll be fighting traffic and driving in the Boise direction for a while to shop instead of going Oregon-way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 11, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 11, 2021, 08:57:39 AM

I don't like any of youtube's "curating", but when they do it to media people for making opinion statements or hearsay, even though they only seem to do so for certain views, that's one thing. When they start "curating" PEER REVIEWED stuff, that's outright thought control.

Several of us in this thread have posted links to peer reviewed research, with the various links often contradicting each other, but that's what science is all about. Various researchers arrive at different conclusions, so you discuss and continue research. Once you start censoring and "disappearing" vetted research, not only are you being totalitarian, you're actually crushing the scientific method.

Word.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 11, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Guy on another forum posted he just got a call from school, his kid is refusing to wear a mask. This should be fun.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 11, 2021, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 11, 2021, 08:57:39 AM
Rand Paul has been suspended from youtube for "misinformation". The "misinformation" was a quote directly from peer reviewed, published research that indicated cloth masks were ineffective.

I don't like any of youtube's "curating", but when they do it to media people for making opinion statements or hearsay, even though they only seem to do so for certain views, that's one thing. When they start "curating" PEER REVIEWED stuff, that's outright thought control.

Several of us in this thread have posted links to peer reviewed research, with the various links often contradicting each other, but that's what science is all about. Various researchers arrive at different conclusions, so you discuss and continue research. Once you start censoring and "disappearing" vetted research, not only are you being totalitarian, you're actually crushing the scientific method.

The banschwerk is lowered whenever something does not support the narrative.  Truth and accuracy does not matter at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 11, 2021, 02:55:10 PM
Constitution Dies Of Coronavirus
https://babylonbee.com/news/constitution-dies-of-coronavirus
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-5909-1.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 11, 2021, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 11, 2021, 09:00:24 AM
Looks like Oregon is going back to mandatory indoor masking:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/oregon-governor-to-reimpose-statewide-indoor-mask-mandate_3942984.html

I guess I'll be fighting traffic and driving in the Boise direction for a while to shop instead of going Oregon-way.

*expletive deleted*ck her, no I won't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 11, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 11, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Guy on another forum posted he just got a call from school, his kid is refusing to wear a mask. This should be fun.

Good!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 12, 2021, 08:58:04 AM
In reference to variable results in various peer reviewed studies, this story in the Epoch Times is a good example:

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“Our observational study suggests that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, there are differences in their real-world effectiveness relative to each other and relative to prior months of the pandemic. Larger studies with more diverse populations are warranted to guide critical pending public and global health decisions, such as the optimal timing for booster doses and which vaccines should be administered to individuals who have not yet received one dose,” they wrote.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/effectiveness-of-some-covid-19-vaccines-has-dropped-significantly-study_3945480.html

For those that can't read the link, the papers are linked below. It's basically looking at efficacy of the vaccines to date, with all of them showing some drop since introduction. Some studies show significant drops, others show minor drops. All of them seem to show the Pfizer vaccine becoming less effective at a greater percentage (or lower percentage of effectiveness) than Moderna.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2104974

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/vaccine-efficacy-safety-follow-up-committee/he/files_publications_corona_two-dose-vaccination-data.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 12, 2021, 09:11:50 AM
Son in law has tested positive for the kung-flu.  Pretty much experiencing just moderate cold/flu symptoms. His work required him to get tested because he was sick.
Wife and I have both been sick with mild to moderate cold and flu symptoms for 2 weeks now but are on the mend now, we did not submit for testing. The daughter has been in and out at our house during this time.
Fair chance we had it but there has been some sort of RSV bug going around as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 12, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 12, 2021, 09:11:50 AM
Son in law has tested positive for the kung-flu.  Pretty much experiencing just moderate cold/flu symptoms. His work required him to get tested because he was sick.
Wife and I have both been sick with mild to moderate cold and flu symptoms for 2 weeks now but are on the mend now, we did not submit for testing. The daughter has been in and out at our house during this time.
Fair chance we had it but there has been some sort of RSV bug going around as well.

Reading my posts, I'm sure you know that I'm no "OMG COVID!!!" guy, but I would really recommend you get tested. If nothing else, you might find you had it, got over it, and now have natural immunity. Given what is being found regarding natural immunity, knowing you have it gives you options.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 12, 2021, 01:21:08 PM
I had a bad case of the upper crud back in December of 2019... Then again in December of 2020... No test in 2019, tested negative for 'Rona and flu in 2020, but I still ran a 102 fever for most of two weeks.
 
I wonder how good the tests really are, and how many varieties there really are - and... I wonder how many of those varieties are the hazardous ones...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 12, 2021, 03:16:34 PM
Reading your posts about what you folks have been through makes me realize how I have been blessed.
Somewhere between October and March, I would get the "sniffles" that would then move down to a scratch, burning throat.  It didn't stop there but went on to upper chest congestion with coughing and phlegm and last 4-12 weeks.  The last one of those I had was in 2015.
My elderly parent got the flu shot in October 2019 and came down with the flu and a UTI in March 2020 and spent a week in the hospital.  Despite being around them 1-2 days a week, nothing.  No flu, no nothing.  And this was the same parent that my younger brother and me to neighbor's houses (multiple times) when their kids had the mumps.  Neither of us ever got the mumps.
The first time I wore a mask was in taking my parent to the hospital in March.  The only other times since have been when I either took her to the doctor or had to go myself and ONLY because I was forced to mask up so I could hear what the doctor would tell her (memory problems). No store has been able to force me to wear the "diapers" although Menard's wouldn't let me in without one (I took my money elsewhere) and Walmart tried (and failed).
As I have not had any symptoms of any kind, nobody is willing to test me.  Is it possible that, like the mumps and the flu, I am already "naturally immune"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 12, 2021, 06:39:57 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 12, 2021, 03:16:34 PM
Is it possible that, like the mumps and the flu, I am already "naturally immune"?

In my non-expert opinion, you are not naturally immune, but you might be naturally resistant.  (same thing maybe, but considerably different degrees)  Or you might just have an unusually good immune system that fights off new diseases before you show symptoms.  Also you -- all of us -- might have some immunity to corona viruses if you've ever been sick with a different corona virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 12, 2021, 08:12:25 PM
What none of the talking heads seem to want to consider are "asymptomatic cases." Which seem to be EVERYWHERE!
 
And... The way that allegedly is supposed to work is "you catch the bug, and beat it like a rented red-headed mule..." And then you're theoretically good, right?
 
Except that it seems that there are umpteen different versions.
 
However... In the early isolated populations, a lot of people never even caught it to beat it - possibly they had had it before. Personally, I think we're seeing a wave of coronavirus summer colds. Which are enough like the Bad Nasty to test as... The "case" curve this year seems to be almost identical to last summer about this time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 13, 2021, 10:36:17 AM
Well, my company has gone back to face masks.

Only this time, it's face masks for everyone, at all times when you're in the buildings, whether you're vaccinated or not.

I wonder how many people are going to die from lint lung?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2021, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 12, 2021, 08:12:25 PM
The "case" curve this year seems to be almost identical to last summer about this time.

From what I've been hearing, the cases are a little higher, and deaths are lower. That's also what St Louis County's published stats show. Don't know about the city.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 13, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/health/fda-covid-shots-immunocompromised-full/index.html

FDA authorizes third dose of vaccine for immunocompromised patients.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 13, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
Here's St. Louis City's page. The overall case graph looks remarkably like last summer's... You'll need to scroll down a bit, and reset it from "90 days" to "full range."
 
The data is there, but they damn sure don't make it easy to see.

Death total went up by one yesterday.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 13, 2021, 12:14:18 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boise-police-arrested-a-man-for-not-wearing-mask-in-costco-now-he-wants-4-5-million/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 13, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 13, 2021, 12:14:18 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boise-police-arrested-a-man-for-not-wearing-mask-in-costco-now-he-wants-4-5-million/

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Police arrived and arrested Hearn, with Hearn noting that other shoppers were cheering as police took him away.
Do you think that was because they like masks or because of his behavior?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on August 13, 2021, 02:52:08 PM
In their incident report, police said they arrested Hearn after he refused to show them identification and he was later taken to Ada County Jail due to a previous trespassing incident.[/quote]

Sounds like he was jailed because he was violating a trespass order. Males sense,especially if he was not being cooperative with the POlice.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2021, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 13, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
Here's St. Louis City's page. The overall case graph looks remarkably like last summer's... You'll need to scroll down a bit, and reset it from "90 days" to "full range."
 
The data is there, but they damn sure don't make it easy to see.

Death total went up by one yesterday.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

Hillsborough County's data doesn't look at all like last summer's.  Either in cases, or in hospitalizations.  We're getting hit harder now than last summer, by a good amount.

More proof that localities matter, and in a sane world we'd have let local authorities decide the best public health actions based on their conditions, with governors and the feds standing by to provide resources to those local authorities as needed.  Of course that would have given elected officials less chance to grandstand, so we can't have that.

ETA:  Oops.  Forgot our data.
https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/residents/public-safety/emergency-management/stay-safe/covid-19-dashboard
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 13, 2021, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: BobR on August 13, 2021, 02:52:08 PM
In their incident report, police said they arrested Hearn after he refused to show them identification and he was later taken to Ada County Jail due to a previous trespassing incident.

Sounds like he was jailed because he was violating a trespass order. Males sense,especially if he was not being cooperative with the POlice.

bob

I'm wondering if this would have turned out the same at the other Costcos in the area. I haven't been to the Boise Costco in a couple of years, but I feel like it's a different crowd than mine. There's another new one between the two that I haven't been to yet. Still in Ada County like the Boise one, but in a more conservative area of the county. My Costco is in Canyon County, and during the covid, crossing between Ada and Canyon counties regarding rules and attitudes was noticeable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 13, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Hmmm... Cases curving up at about the same point tho... What's the weather like there? More people staying indoors with other people?
 
St. Louis does have a pretty fair amount of people in poverty - many get free air conditioning, but others just tough it out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2021, 04:00:08 PM
The spike started fully a month later.  Weather is about normal for the time of year.  None of the crazy hot other places got.  I'm pretty confident it's a combination of the more contagious variant along with the dropping of FL's COVID mitigation restrictions (mask mandates, restaurant occupancy restrictions, theme parks occupancy restrictions, and such)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2021, 06:31:55 PM
People buying fake vaccination cards off the internet. Who didn't see that coming?

Fines, 5 years in prison possible for those using fake COVID-19 vaccination cards
https://www.wfla.com/news/fines-5-years-in-prison-possible-for-those-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 13, 2021, 06:43:42 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 13, 2021, 06:31:55 PM
People buying fake vaccination cards off the internet. Who didn't see that coming?

Fines, 5 years in prison possible for those using fake COVID-19 vaccination cards
https://www.wfla.com/news/fines-5-years-in-prison-possible-for-those-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards/

Five years in prison. While people who commit violent felonies get cut loose to commit murders a few days later. While antifa and blm burn and loot with no consequences. While urban yutes run wild shoplifting with zero consequences.

Between covid unjust laws and what's happening to the 06JAN people, while other groups have carte blanche to commit crime and mayhem, how does it not look like the US is dying?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 13, 2021, 06:43:42 PM
Five years in prison. While people who commit violent felonies get cut loose to commit murders a few days later. While antifa and blm burn and loot with no consequences. While urban yutes run wild shoplifting with zero consequences.

Between covid unjust laws and what's happening to the 06JAN people, while other groups have carte blanche to commit crime and mayhem, how does it not look like the US is dying?

It's as if the US is confused as to which restroom to use.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2021, 08:47:36 PM
Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake

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    JUST IN – Biden admin is discussing mandating #COVID19 vaccines for interstate travel, but worried that it would be too polarizing "for the moment" (AP)

    — Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) August 13, 2021
Quote
    From @AP: Biden is considering “mandating vaccines for interstate travel."

    At the same time, he's releasing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the U.S. every month. pic.twitter.com/elkJqzjznS

    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 13, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/13/biden-admin-reportedly-considering-vaccine-passports-for-interstate-travel-but-not-for-entering-the-country-illegally/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 13, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
My west property line is state line. I won't follow it and nobody around here will enforce it. The sheriffs on both sides of the line said last year they wouldn't enforce the mask mandates so they sure are not going to stop every car to see who has the jab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 13, 2021, 09:03:48 PM
I think it's more than a question of being "polarizing". The bigger question would be enforcement. I suppose they could get the "fruit and vegetable inspectors" at all the California border crossings to do it, but it seems like a manpower question in other states.

And I'm just bringing it up as purely theoretical on the operational front, as in, "If someone were stupid enough to try something like this...). Doing something like this could well cause violence.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2021, 09:24:06 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/3eb3e751e26371ef698994cffec7ccd5.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 14, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Regarding the fake vaccine cards, Hawaii just arrested a couple of people for using them. I see they were arrested after LE got a "tip". Lately, I'm seeing a whole lot of people dropping a dime on other people, often their neighbors, friends, or family. We're really creating something here.


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Two men who flew into Hawaii recently were taken into custody upon landing for allegedly using fake COVID-19 vaccination cards, authorities said.

Norbert Chung, 57 and Trevor Chung, 19, were arrested on Aug. 8 at Daniel K. Inouye Airport in Honolulu, the Hawaii Department of the Attorney General said in a statement to news outlets.

The Chungs are accused of violating Hawaii’s Safe Travels Program, which forces visitors from the mainland to quarantine for 10 days unless they present proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test.

The pair was arrested after authorities received a tip they were using fake vaccination cards, according to the state Department of the Attorney General.

“Attorney General investigators are committed to ensuring all such leads are investigated and thank the community for their assistance and support,” the department said in its statement. “Along those lines, the Department of the Attorney General will investigate and prosecute those who cheat the Safe Travels program, which was established to keep our islands safe.”

The Chungs were arraigned on Aug. 10. They could be fined up to $5,000 and sent to jail for up to a year if convicted.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/two-hawaii-tourists-arrested-for-allegedly-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards_3948748.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 15, 2021, 05:34:21 PM
"Vaccine cards" - the newest version of "red flag laws".  [barf]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 15, 2021, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 14, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Regarding the fake vaccine cards, Hawaii just arrested a couple of people for using them. I see they were arrested after LE got a "tip". Lately, I'm seeing a whole lot of people dropping a dime on other people, often their neighbors, friends, or family. We're really creating something here.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/two-hawaii-tourists-arrested-for-allegedly-using-fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards_3948748.html
I imagine a lot of people 1) talk to much and 2) don't really know who their friends are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 15, 2021, 06:46:50 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 15, 2021, 06:33:30 PM
I imagine a lot of people 1) talk to much and 2) don't really know who their friends are.

Three can keep a secret, if two are dead.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 15, 2021, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 15, 2021, 06:46:50 PM
Three can keep a secret, if two are dead.

Or a few dozen. Just ask the Clintons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 15, 2021, 08:49:41 PM
Be worth the 10 bucks just to see what kind of looks I would get walking into Kroger wearing this https://centerfiresystems.com/product/polish-mc-1-gas-mask-with-filter-and-bag-mil0016

Need to find a NBC suit as well
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2021, 08:14:36 AM
The local liberal toilet paper had a slew of "OMG the virus!" stories this morning. It's like they're trying to cause hysteria.

The virus will make you bald!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article253522309.html?ac_cid=DM514590&ac_bid=1475354410

And just a few of the other headlines:

READ MORE
Despite obstacles, Native Americans have the nation’s highest COVID-19 vaccination rate
Deadly COVID-linked condition in kids poised for a comeback
Pfizer submits early data on boosters’ protection to FDA
Wildfire smoke linked to spike in COVID-19 cases, researchers say
De Blasio: COVID vaccine mandate for NYC restaurants, bars, gyms and concerts kicks off Tuesday
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 17, 2021, 08:48:01 AM
Why does it seem lock downs result in increased COVID cases?  I heard that about the lock downs in Australia. 

I am speculating that you might restrict movement by most people, but you still have workers making deliveries and preparing food/merchandise to ship so you have a small number of people making contact with lots of people.  If some of that small number pick up the virus, then you have them spreading it further to people who are spending more time cooped up indoors.
Could just be more testing of the sample population as well.


In my area, very few people wear masks, but most everyone is still social distancing and coughing and such in public happens much less than I remember in the past. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
I also read this morning that some trendy Boise restaurant is the first to only allow diners who show proof of vaccination, or after a lot of blowback, also a negative covid test within the last 48 hours. Though I don't know why I would bother with the hassle of a covid test just to go to a lefty progressive restaurant.

The owners were very upset because *three* people called them nazis. They did not explain how they would filter out vaccinated people who are re-infected with covid. I guess I can't totally blame the owners, as the article said that they were basing this on customer concerns.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 17, 2021, 09:21:49 AM
What about an antibody test?  Since a lot of people get it but don't get sick. 

A coworker was on vacation last week.  His wife came down with it I believe as they got back.  She was hit hard, but seems to be slowly improving.  Spent the weekend in the hospital and is still there on oxygen.  He isn't sick and tested negative after spending the previous days on the road with her. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2021, 09:59:22 AM
Note this is Bloomberg, not Fox or anybody on the right.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/17/a-never-ending-nightmare-new-zealand-implements-new-nationwide-lockdown-over-one-covid-19-case/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Australia:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1427560688126504962
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 17, 2021, 09:59:22 AM
Note this is Bloomberg, not Fox or anybody on the right.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/17/a-never-ending-nightmare-new-zealand-implements-new-nationwide-lockdown-over-one-covid-19-case/

The time to lock down is when there is one case - that’s how you get back to zero. That’s what NZ is doing and it’s a proven method of eliminating COVID. Waiting until you have thousands of cases makes lockdowns less likely to actually succeed.

The other video you posted is an inspection of someone who is quarantined - it’s not illegal to get fresh air. If you’re subject to quarantine it means you tested positive for Covid or are a close contact of someone who did, and that means you’re required to stay at home to not infect other people. That’s a reasonable thing to do even in America; it’s just taken more seriously in Australia on account of the relatively low rate of infection as compared to the US.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
The time to lock down is when there is one case - that’s how you get back to zero. That’s what NZ is doing and it’s a proven method of eliminating COVID. Waiting until you have thousands of cases makes lockdowns less likely to actually succeed.

The other video you posted is an inspection of someone who is quarantined - it’s not illegal to get fresh air. If you’re subject to quarantine it means you tested positive for Covid or are a close contact of someone who did, and that means you’re required to stay at home to not infect other people. That’s a reasonable thing to do even in America; it’s just taken more seriously in Australia on account of the relatively low rate of infection as compared to the US.
Where is it proven?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:28 AM
Where is it proven?

Both New Zealand and Australia, which have spent the majority of the past year fully open and also with no community transmission of COVID.

There have been outbreaks from international arrivals, and short lockdowns brought case numbers back to zero over the past year.

Failure to implement lockdowns is proven to result in uncontrolled spread. New South Wales did not enter a lockdown until almost four weeks into its latest outbreak. That’s the cause of the NZ outbreak and the high number of cases in NSW. NZ is simply not repeating the NSW Government’s mistake.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on August 18, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
I seems the problem is... covid is never going away.  Is NZ going to shut their whole country down every time it pops up again for eternity?

What is the end game for New Zealand?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: Pb on August 18, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
I seems the problem is... covid is never going away.  Is NZ going to shut their whole country down every time it pops up again for eternity?

What is the end game for New Zealand?
More Govt power appears to be the answer.  Another problem that Govt is the cause of and the answer to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 18, 2021, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
The time to lock down is when there is one case - that’s how you get back to zero. That’s what NZ is doing and it’s a proven method of eliminating COVID. Waiting until you have thousands of cases makes lockdowns less likely to actually succeed.

The other video you posted is an inspection of someone who is quarantined - it’s not illegal to get fresh air. If you’re subject to quarantine it means you tested positive for Covid or are a close contact of someone who did, and that means you’re required to stay at home to not infect other people. That’s a reasonable thing to do even in America; it’s just taken more seriously in Australia on account of the relatively low rate of infection as compared to the US.


WE WILL NEVER be back to ZERO COVID.


It will always be here in the environment. Here, there, everywhere.  In Russia, China, America, and Austealia.
Everywhere.

The Aussies  have gone stark raving nuts in their attempts to achieve the IMPOSSIBLE.   No talking to neighbors .... masks on while drinking :O (how does that work? ?) and using the military to enforce lockdown.

It would almost be understandable if this was THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, a fictional alien microscopic bug brought to earth in a satellite in a novel by Michael Crighten that was made into a movie in 1971.  That was science fiction.
What one might not remember from the movie, (if you ever did even watch it) is in the few minutes between initial infection with Andromeda and certain death,  it drove the afflicted insane.

As I said, that was science fiction.  It wasn't real.  Thank God.

Covid 19 is real, of course,  but nowhere near as fatal, even the D strain.  But it is sorta like Crighton's mythical microscopic monster in one way:
IT IS DRIVING EVERYONE INSANE ......
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 18, 2021, 01:36:31 PM
Quote
It will always be here in the environment. Here, there, everywhere.  In Russia, China, America, and Austealia.
Everywhere.

And what's more, even if we stomped it out somehow, another virus would just pop up later eventually anyway. There's no victory, and even if there were, it would not be a lasting victory. Because infectious disease is a thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: grampster on August 18, 2021, 01:49:45 PM
"I guess I can't totally blame the owners, as the article said that they were basing this on customer concerns."  Ben

I'd wager the restaurant is lying about that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 18, 2021, 01:49:57 PM
^^^If anything good comes from COVID, I hope it is better knowledge of how to address the next infectious disease epidemic that comes along.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 18, 2021, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 18, 2021, 01:49:57 PM
^^^If anything good comes from COVID, I hope it is better knowledge of how to address the next infectious disease epidemic that comes along.

I don't think we'll get that.  But I think mRNA vaccines might be a very good thing -- like a cure for certain types of cancer good.  They could also be dangerous; powerful tools usually are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 18, 2021, 03:55:33 PM
CDC:  effectiveness of vaccine "waning" against Delta variant:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/cdc-director-concerning-evidence-shows-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-is-waning-against-delta-variant_3954466.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on August 18, 2021, 02:25:28 PM
I don't think we'll get that.  But I think mRNA vaccines might be a very good thing -- like a cure for certain types of cancer good.  They could also be dangerous; powerful tools usually are.
At the very least, half the population is now a test bed for them so we are very likely to see any issues if the information doesn't get buried. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 18, 2021, 01:49:57 PM
^^^If anything good comes from COVID, I hope it is better knowledge of how to address the next infectious disease epidemic that comes along.
Yes.  Because we will always have more arrogant govt bureaucrats running labs that create more of them.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2021, 05:28:18 PM
DON'T THESE *expletive deleted*ing PEOPLE HAVE ENOUGH TOILET PAPER YET?!?!?!?!?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/costco-shoppers-see-toilet-paper-water-shortage-delta-variant

The dog food shortage is a little disconcerting to me though, as I need a bag this week. I'll see how things look when I'm there on Friday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
I have my TP stash and fully stocked in the bathrooms.  I may need to buy some water.  It is hurricane season anyway and we have a near miss in progress sort of.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 18, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
And...
 
It is not magical.
 
A lot of people don't catch it.
 
About 95% of the people who catch it don't notice it.
 
Of that, about 95% of the people who notice it are okay with Nyquil and Sweet Oblivion until it blows over.
 
Some of them think that it is bad enough to go to their doctor - maybe 5%. Most of them get told to go home and take Nyquil. Some of them get admitted to hospitals.
 
If they are lucky, they get high-flow 02 via CPAP.
 
If they get vents, they are in trouble - mostly because vents suck.

Some of the rest, primarily terminally ill geriatrics, won't make it.
 
Which is pretty much the case for the past few decades.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:21:12 PM
Quote from: Pb on August 18, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
I seems the problem is... covid is never going away.  Is NZ going to shut their whole country down every time it pops up again for eternity?

What is the end game for New Zealand?

For most of the year since COVID hit New Zealand has had no Covid. Shutting down for a week or two a year until there are better vaccines or treatments as opposed to the mass economic and social disruption that comes from uncontrolled COVID is an easy trade.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 18, 2021, 11:11:16 AM

WE WILL NEVER be back to ZERO COVID.


It will always be here in the environment. Here, there, everywhere.  In Russia, China, America, and Austealia.
Everywhere.

The Aussies  have gone stark raving nuts in their attempts to achieve the IMPOSSIBLE.   No talking to neighbors .... masks on while drinking :O (how does that work? ?) and using the military to enforce lockdown.

It would almost be understandable if this was THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, a fictional alien microscopic bug brought to earth in a satellite in a novel by Michael Crighten that was made into a movie in 1971.  That was science fiction.
What one might not remember from the movie, (if you ever did even watch it) is in the few minutes between initial infection with Andromeda and certain death,  it drove the afflicted insane.

As I said, that was science fiction.  It wasn't real.  Thank God.

Covid 19 is real, of course,  but nowhere near as fatal, even the D strain.  But it is sorta like Crighton's mythical microscopic monster in one way:
IT IS DRIVING EVERYONE INSANE ......

First off, some countries do substantially live with no COVID. Not every country in the world failed to control it like the US, and not every public health system is as incapable of control. On the numbers it does look like failure to stop Covid is inevitable in the US, but countries with more advanced public health systems need not give up and accept that they’ll always have Covid.

In terms of ongoing control measures, food safety, agricultural quarantine, and medical hygiene all
cost huge amounts of money and time. Should we give them up because food poisoning still happens, because farms still get coronavirus and other outbreaks, and because infections still
Happen in hospital? Does that make all investment in controlling those infections a waste?  And if not, why is COVID special in being allowed to run uncontrolled?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 18, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
And...
 
It is not magical.
 
A lot of people don't catch it.
 
About 95% of the people who catch it don't notice it.
 
Of that, about 95% of the people who notice it are okay with Nyquil and Sweet Oblivion until it blows over.
 
Some of them think that it is bad enough to go to their doctor - maybe 5%. Most of them get told to go home and take Nyquil. Some of them get admitted to hospitals.
 
If they are lucky, they get high-flow 02 via CPAP.
 
If they get vents, they are in trouble - mostly because vents suck.

Some of the rest, primarily terminally ill geriatrics, won't make it.
 
Which is pretty much the case for the past few decades.

Got a source for those hospitalisation rates for Covid?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 18, 2021, 11:47:50 PM
Early in, and I've seen it a bunch of times since, starting with the Chinese... 95% of the people are either immune, or just don't have symptoms. Not all of the folks who notice things present for treatment. Of the presented cases, only about 5% are serious. And that was back when they were stick folks on vents regardless.
 
Here in St. Louis, after about 18 months, we're looking at an overall fatality rate of 0.17% - mostly from long-term-care, SNFs and hospices...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 18, 2021, 11:47:50 PM
Early in, and I've seen it a bunch of times since, starting with the Chinese... 95% of the people are either immune, or just don't have symptoms. Not all of the folks who notice things present for treatment. Of the presented cases, only about 5% are serious. And that was back when they were stick folks on vents regardless.
 
Here in St. Louis, after about 18 months, we're looking at an overall fatality rate of 0.17% - mostly from long-term-care, SNFs and hospices...

The overall fatality rate in St Louis is not .17 according to the links you posted - it’s above 2 percent.  I’m not sure where you’re getting that figure but I’d like to see it, along with even one news article or other source saying only 5 percent of COVID cases are serious.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 12:17:07 AM
You are making a conclusion based upon only presented cases.
 
Overall, with this "really damn contagious bug," which you can catch just by being near someone, who might not even be sick, we've had 553 fatalities out of around 319,000 people. Most of them folks who already had one foot over death's doorstep...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 12:23:03 AM
This is a week or so old, but hasn't changed much. FWIW, the "under 40" bar hadn't gone above zero until we had a new administration sworn in - then it grew a few.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 12:36:35 AM
In the past two weeks, we've had 10 fatalities attributed to the 'Rona in the City area. No idea as to whether they were already terminally ill, or not.
 
In that same time, I had a coworker who has had three relatives shot in what I'm figuring is gang-related violence.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 19, 2021, 05:19:35 AM
FWIW, the average age of COVID ICU patients at our local biggest hospital  ticked into the 40's this week.  I don't have the age breakdown of individuals, but it's definitely no longer only geriatrics, at least around here.  The one hospital was at 250 admitted and 164 in the ICU.

Bogie, not to put too fine a point on it but your "5% of 5% of 5%......." hypothesis is utter crap, and if you could find any data with anywhere near those numbers, I'd be surprised.   Yes lots of folks get through COVID fine, and there is an hard to measure (at least in the US) number of Asymptomatic cases, but nowhere near where you seem to hope.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 19, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
First off, some countries do substantially live with no COVID. Not every country in the world failed to control it like the US, and not every public health system is as incapable of control. On the numbers it does look like failure to stop Covid is inevitable in the US, but countries with more advanced public health systems need not give up and accept that they’ll always have Covid.

In terms of ongoing control measures, food safety, agricultural quarantine, and medical hygiene all
cost huge amounts of money and time. Should we give them up because food poisoning still happens, because farms still get coronavirus and other outbreaks, and because infections still
Happen in hospital? Does that make all investment in controlling those infections a waste?  And if not, why is COVID special in being allowed to run uncontrolled?
Which countries?  Did they actually do testing to confirm no COVID? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 19, 2021, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 18, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
First off, some countries do substantially live with no COVID. Not every country in the world failed to control it like the US, and not every public health system is as incapable of control. On the numbers it does look like failure to stop Covid is inevitable in the US, but countries with more advanced public health systems need not give up and accept that they’ll always have Covid.

In terms of ongoing control measures, food safety, agricultural quarantine, and medical hygiene all
cost huge amounts of money and time. Should we give them up because food poisoning still happens, because farms still get coronavirus and other outbreaks, and because infections still
Happen in hospital? Does that make all investment in controlling those infections a waste?  And if not, why is COVID special in being allowed to run uncontrolled?

What countries have "zero covid?"  Has it been confirmed by tests?   I can see isolated countries being relatively covid free.  But Japan is an island nation and is beset by covid problems,  Australia, also an island nation, as I said, goes crazy on lockdowns for cases that could be counted on one hand.

If the U. S. "failed" to control covid, it seems much of the world did as well.  And, no, covid is not being allowed to run uncontrolled,  :facepalm:  it is simply nearly impossible to really control. 

Investments in controlling infections are not a waste,  but most infections in hospitals are not the results of pandemics,  they happen because there are sick people in hospitals, which happens because that's where sick people go for medical help. 

As for countries that did not "fail to control it like the U. S.,"  just how did they achieve this miracle?  How do these "more advanced public health systems"  :rofl:  plan to totally eradicate covid? ? ?  The Spanish Flu bug is still around,  and even the Bubonic Plague pathogen is still out there.  As I said before, THERE WILL NEVER BE "ZERO COVID" AGAIN ON PLANET EARTH.     Some isolated mysterious countries (like Shangri-La, for example)  might escape for awhile so long as they can shut down vectors 100%,  but in reality I don't think that will last.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 19, 2021, 11:01:28 AM
Meanwhile, six weeks in prison for not wearing a mask in Singapore:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/asia/singapore-briton-jailed-mask-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2021, 11:48:17 AM
This study suggests that the vaccines and natural immunity are about equal for the first few months after getting the vaccine. It further suggests that if you had covid, getting the vaccine boosts your natural immunity. I suppose that's something for me to think about. I'd like to read more verifying research on that aspect first. I also didn't read all the way through the study to see if one vaccine was superior to another regarding that "double immunity".

https://www.theepochtimes.com/major-study-covid-19-vaccines-less-effective-against-delta-as-good-as-natural-infection_3955968.html

https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infection-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Looking at much of the numbers around the covids, I see something akin to this...
 
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Looking at much of the numbers around the covids, I see something akin to this...
 
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"

In a world where 2+2= whatever it needs to be to push a narrative what's the problem?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 03:59:09 PM
And in other news, low-price on tires for my van has gone from $60 to $75 in the past month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 19, 2021, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 03:59:09 PM
And in other news, low-price on tires for my van has gone from $60 to $75 in the past month.

Tires probably need their own inflation thread.  I have 265/70/18's on my truck and want to go to something all season, all terrain in the 35" tall range.  that's like $250-$300 each.  When I fist started looking a year ago it was more like low $200's per tire.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 19, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: dogmush on August 19, 2021, 04:42:54 PM
Tires probably need their own inflation thread.  I have 265/70/18's on my truck and want to go to something all season, all terrain in the 35" tall range.  that's like $250-$300 each.  When I fist started looking a year ago it was more like low $200's per tire.

Nice pun.

Do you prefer just compressed air, or N2?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: dogmush on August 19, 2021, 04:42:54 PM
Tires probably need their own inflation thread.  I have 265/70/18's on my truck and want to go to something all season, all terrain in the 35" tall range.  that's like $250-$300 each.  When I fist started looking a year ago it was more like low $200's per tire.

Funny, I was going to start a tire cost topic. I got Dueler Revos for my truck I guess a half year ago when Costco had a deal going - $200 ea.

Right now I'm looking for new tires for my Polaris Ranger because I've already got like a dozen plugs in the crappy 0.5 ply OEM tires. I'm looking at 8 ply tires, and little UTV tires are going for $175 - half the size and nearly the price of the Revos.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 19, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Nice pun.

Do you prefer just compressed air, or N2?

I usually tell them to fill them up with the 78% N 21% O mix. The confused look on some of their faces is priceless. uh, I don't think we have that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 19, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
Which countries?  Did they actually do testing to confirm no COVID?

Both Australia and New Zealand.  And yes, both do routine testing. When outbreaks occur from international arrivals, lockdowns have brought cases back to zero.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 05:30:44 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 19, 2021, 10:01:03 AM
What countries have "zero covid?"  Has it been confirmed by tests?   I can see isolated countries being relatively covid free.  But Japan is an island nation and is beset by covid problems,  Australia, also an island nation, as I said, goes crazy on lockdowns for cases that could be counted on one hand.

If the U. S. "failed" to control covid, it seems much of the world did as well.  And, no, covid is not being allowed to run uncontrolled,  :facepalm:  it is simply nearly impossible to really control. 

Investments in controlling infections are not a waste,  but most infections in hospitals are not the results of pandemics,  they happen because there are sick people in hospitals, which happens because that's where sick people go for medical help. 

As for countries that did not "fail to control it like the U. S.,"  just how did they achieve this miracle?  How do these "more advanced public health systems"  :rofl:  plan to totally eradicate covid? ? ?  The Spanish Flu bug is still around,  and even the Bubonic Plague pathogen is still out there.  As I said before, THERE WILL NEVER BE "ZERO COVID" AGAIN ON PLANET EARTH.     Some isolated mysterious countries (like Shangri-La, for example)  might escape for awhile so long as they can shut down vectors 100%,  but in reality I don't think that will last.

The countries that have had long periods of no Covid while remaining open did so with effective quarantine and lockdown responses. Again, you can keep repeating it but both NZ and Australia have spent most of the past year fully open domestically, and with zero Covid. It’s not a fantasy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Looking at much of the numbers around the covids, I see something akin to this...
 
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"

Looking at your analysis, I see something akin to this:

“Ebola is neither contagious nor deadly because zero people died in St Louis of it last year! If Ebola comes to St Louis, I’m going to hug infected people just to prove how safe it is!”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 19, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
Quote
"25 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 5 of them dying. If you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of being murdered!!!!!!"

Your point is made, but the real situation is more like "2500 people were shot in St. Louis last week, with 500 of them dying. Also, the murderers are gradually going house to house and we have reason to believe they will eventually shoot everyone in the city. And neighboring cities are the same. So if you live in St. Louis, you have a 20% chance of eventually being murdered".

And instead of 20% it's like 0.2%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 19, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 05:30:44 PM
The countries that have had long periods of no Covid while remaining open did so with effective quarantine and lockdown responses. Again, you can keep repeating it but both NZ and Australia have spent most of the past year fully open domestically, and with zero Covid. It’s not a fantasy.

Both Australia and New Zealand have had covid19 cases.  Even one case is NOT zero covid.   

It is pretty easy to isolate New Zealand and probably not much harder to isolate Australia.  It is impossible to isolate America.

And I would hardly call the extreme measures Australia is using, employing military to keep people inside, banning talking to neighbors, forcing masking while drinking, being "fully open domestically."

You live in a fantasy-land called "Oz" for sure ......
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 19, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Both Australia and New Zealand have had covid19 cases.  Even one case is NOT zero covid.   

It is pretty easy to isolate New Zealand and probably not much harder to isolate Australia.  It is impossible to isolate America.

And I would hardly call the extreme measures Australia is using, employing military to keep people inside, banning talking to neighbors, forcing masking while drinking, being "fully open domestically."

You live in a fantasy-land called "Oz" for sure ......

Most of the past year the country has been fully open and also had no community transmission of covid. Lockdown measures (which are not what you’re describing) have been temporary to address short term outbreaks and bring cases back down to , and have done so successfully.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 19, 2021, 07:24:09 PM
Comparing NZ to the USA, particularly with the open borders invasion of Covid positive illegals seems sort of silly.

Australia has been open? No proof of vaccination or any other proof of health?

Folks could just walk in?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2021, 07:26:37 PM
Oregon is supposed to be doing mandatory masks, but Eastern Oregon looks to be ignoring it. I was at the Tractor Supply there today and employees were wearing masks, probably not to get in trouble with corporate, but nobody else was. Last time they had a "masks required" sign at the front door that they didn't enforce. This time they didn't even have that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 19, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
But nothing less than PERFECT safety is expected...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 19, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 07:19:47 PM
Most of the past year the country has been fully open and also had no community transmission of covid. Lockdown measures (which are not what you’re describing) have been temporary to address short term outbreaks and bring cases back down to , and have done so successfully.

 :rofl:  Sure.  If you say so.   Covid is still there,  as is evidenced by ..... :rofl: .... "short term outbreaks."

I'd speculate if America was as sparsely populated as NZ and Oz then it would be as easy to do successful lockdowns as those two countries.

America locked down for months in 2020 and it cost trillions of dollars. 
The only thing Australia has trillions of is kangaroos. [popcorn] :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Ron on August 19, 2021, 07:24:09 PM
Comparing NZ to the USA, particularly with the open borders invasion of Covid positive illegals seems sort of silly.

Australia has been open? No proof of vaccination or any other proof of health?

Folks could just walk in?

Open as in businesses running, people having beers and travelling wherever. Quarantine at international borders is an important part of that. Lock downs to respond to outbreaks are also why life has been that way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 19, 2021, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 19, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Open as in businesses running, people having beers and travelling wherever. Quarantine at international borders is an important part of that. Lock downs to respond to outbreaks are also why life has been that way.

My part of Misery is supposed to be like the seventh hottest spot in Misery. We have not worn masks since the two weeks last year. Unless in a corporate mandated store. Our hospitals said today that the average of cases was two. WTF? We are a super speader hotspot?

We never closed down. The sheriff said they didn't have time to deal with mask mandates. We have only had thirty some deaths in the county from covid, since the start, and I don't know of any of them that were under 80.

Do you know what average lifespan is here?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 20, 2021, 10:10:45 AM
St. Louis City has had over 1,100 people hospitalized in the past two weeks. The average number in hospitals is a bit over 500.
 
I figure that a lot of folks are hearing "We're gonna keep you overnight, maybe a day or so, for observation."
 
And I figure that there's money in that.
 
I also figure that the nurses have been told to NOT make dance videos, or show pictures of empty wings...
 
Overall, in the City, we're looking at 0.173% mortality attributed to the 'Rona, with many of them well over age 70.
 
In contrast, we see 0.119% mortality during approximately the same time from murders - and while they are largely in one socioeconomic group, they can arbitrarily jump into "good" neighborhoods. Last year the closest body to my house was about 75 yards from my front door. I'm MUCH more worried about someone coming into my store with a mask on than without a mask...

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

https://www.slmpd.org/images/Homicide_Stats_for_Website.pdf

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-people-shot-one-fatally-in-auto-parts-store-in-south-st-louis/article_a9c36230-2c9e-5901-b063-32176881da14.html

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/man-charged-in-jennings-armed-robbery-police-chase/ (about 20 or so minutes away - over near Ferguson)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 20, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 20, 2021, 10:10:45 AM
St. Louis City has had over 1,100 people hospitalized in the past two weeks. The average number in hospitals is a bit over 500.
 
I figure that a lot of folks are hearing "We're gonna keep you overnight, maybe a day or so, for observation."
 
And I figure that there's money in that.


You sure seem to like posting a bunch of speculation with no data, evidence, or even rumor to back it up.

I can't speak to St. Louis hospitals, but here in Tampa none of that is true.  They only have enough rooms in COVID wards to admit patients that need acute care.  If you can, they are slapping remote blood O2 monitors on you and sending you home.  Tampa's largest hospital is now at 25% of it's total capacity on inpatient, acute COVID care.  It is a 1000 bed hospital, and there are 250 COVID patients stuffed into it's various converted infectious disease wards.  The hospital is hemorrhaging money because it has had to cancel all of the lucrative day surgeries and care due to lack of staffing.  It's also hemorrhaging cash into overtime and travel nurse/doctor pay.   The Emergency and Trauma departments are continuing on because people still get in car accidents.  But if you get badly hurt and need an ICU, you might be in trouble.  Transplant's in central FL have been slowed to only the absolutely needed ones getting done do to lack of staffing. Try and nurse your failing liver or heart along till Christmas or so.  They've also started pulling admin staff back to the bedside, again, because of staffing shortages.

So no, the hospitals aren't making it seem worse to try and scam money.  They are losing a ton of money because of what they have to do to keep the (predominantly unvaccinated) critical COVID patients alive.

I also texted Mrs. Mush just now to check, but her hospital has put out no new guidance on staff tic toks.  Also the COVID census is back under 250, because 8 people died overnight.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 20, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
Well, the first link was the City's covid brief of the day... 
 
I have to work this weekend. Like every weekend. I'm more worried about someone coming in the door shooting than I am about someone coming in sneezing.
 
This age distribution pic is about two weeks old. Hasn't changed a great deal.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 20, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
I was referring specifically to your repeated speculation about hospital administration practices. That's why I only quoted that section.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 20, 2021, 01:55:55 PM
Regarding my earlier post about shortages at Costco and another "OMG supply run!" debacle, I saw none of that at the local Costco today. Plenty of everything, including TP, paper towels, water, and dog food. Tons of it.

If that article was accurate, it would be interesting to see a map of where it is going on. Other than Boise, Idaho is not in hysterics about covid or the delta variant right now, so I wouldn't expect a run on stuff. I was speaking to a former coworker yesterday, and CA, at least the Santa Barbara area, is still pretty hysterical, so maybe place like that are seeing runs on stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 20, 2021, 02:14:32 PM
We went to the Marysville Costco last night for my wife to pick up a new pair of glasses.  We also cruised the aisles, and there were no shortages apparent of anything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 20, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Well, the Harbor Freight, a dozen or so blocks from me, is almost out of the $0.99 10-packs of blue masks... I picked up three of them for my customers who insist that I give them a free mask as soon as they walk through the door. There aren't that many of them, and about 50% seem felonious... My favorite is the guy who asked for a free mask, and then promptly chinned it...
 
I'm wondering when we're going to have roaming ambulance teams, like in Wuhan, peeling bodies of the streets, and welding apartment buildings, and Walmart, closed...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 21, 2021, 11:40:23 AM
This is a side effect of a covid outbreak that I never would have thought of:


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Officials in Orlando are pushing residents to limit water use because of a rise in hospitalizations with COVID-19.

The issue stems from liquid oxygen, which is used to treat many of the critically ill COVID-19 patients.

The same type of oxygen is used by the Orlando Utilities Commission (OUC) to sanitize water so residents can drink it.

The commission is now urging residents to limit watering their lawns, washing their cars, and time in the shower.

The goal is to cut water usage in the city, Florida’s fourth-largest, by between 25 and 50 percent of what is normally used on a daily basis.

OUC typically pumps about 90 million gallons per day. The goal is not to exceed 50 million gallons per day, as long as liquid oxygen remains in short supply.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/orlando-officials-urge-residents-to-conserve-water-as-covid-19-hospitalizations-surge_3958941.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 21, 2021, 11:43:40 AM
I wonder if the water treatment has to use FDA certified liquid oxygen.  I am also curious how it is used for water treatment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 21, 2021, 05:46:33 PM
We did a BBQ grill at work on a "science day" once. LOX rocks...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 22, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
Seems like things in Australia aren't quite as peachy as portrayed.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+protests&atb=v252-1&ia=web
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on August 22, 2021, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 22, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
Seems like things in Australia aren't quite as peachy as portrayed.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+protests&atb=v252-1&ia=web

I just talked to a friend in Sydney, curfews and lockdowns - despite near universal vaxx and mask compliance. she's very angry
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:04:57 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 22, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
Seems like things in Australia aren't quite as peachy as portrayed.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+protests&atb=v252-1&ia=web

Because some people are protesting lock downs? The current outbreak got to where it is because where it started, the authorities chose not to have a lockdown. Now a longer one is looming to get back to zero and some people are unhappy about that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:05:47 AM
Quote from: gunsmith on August 22, 2021, 10:18:32 PM
I just talked to a friend in Sydney, curfews and lockdowns - despite near universal vaxx and mask compliance. she's very angry

No part of Australia is anywhere near universal vaccination, and Sydney’s failure to lock down early is why they have the all time high for daily cases in the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2021, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:04:57 AM
Because some people are protesting lock downs? The current outbreak got to where it is because where it started, the authorities chose not to have a lockdown. Now a longer one is looming to get back to zero and some people are unhappy about that.

You will never have zero, just like we don't see zero cases of the flu or common cold.

From the CNBC article:

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Only about a third of Australians aged 16 and above have been fully vaccinated, according to federal health ministry data released on Saturday.

In the US, where we are "handling it badly", 48% are fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 23, 2021, 07:45:34 AM
You will never have zero, just like we don't see zero cases of the flu or common cold.

From the CNBC article:

In the US, where we are "handling it badly", 48% are fully vaccinated.

Except, for almost a year we have had mostly zero. No community cases of COVID was the norm in Australia until the most recent outbreak - what changed is that from March 2020 the response was lockdown when a case got through. This time Sydney didn’t do that until several weeks in.

Zero Covid is not only achievable, that’s how this part of the world including NZ has been living for most of the pandemic.

That’s reflected in the infection and death rates per 100,000. The difference is absolutely staggering comparing US figures to Aussie and NZ ones.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on August 23, 2021, 07:59:28 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:05:47 AM
No part of Australia is anywhere near universal vaccination, and Sydney’s failure to lock down early is why they have the all time high for daily cases in the pandemic.

 :rofl:

 "some people protesting" deselby.
 "some people did some things" ilhan omar.

"failure to lock down early" hahahhahhahhah - you know, if they kill everyone the virus goes away too hahahahahah
its endemic bro, the rona is here to stay.     learn to be healthy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2021, 08:00:15 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 07:55:55 AM
Except, for almost a year we have had mostly zero.

That's not zero. Call me when no covid outbreaks occur for 100 years. AFAIK, there were no cases of the flu around here all last week. Hurray! We have the flu licked!

There's nothing wrong with not having zero cases of a virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: gunsmith on August 23, 2021, 07:59:28 AM
:rofl:

 "some people protesting" deselby.
 "some people did some things" ilhan omar.

"failure to lock down early" hahahhahhahhah - you know, if they kill everyone the virus goes away too hahahahahah
its endemic bro, the rona is here to stay.     learn to be healthy.

That might be true there, but it doesn’t have to be so. Zero Covid cases is the norm here, and lock downs are the method that achieved it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:02:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 23, 2021, 08:00:15 AM
That's not zero. Call me when no covid outbreaks occur for 100 years. AFAIK, there were no cases of the flu around here all last week. Hurray! We have the flu licked!

There's nothing wrong with not having zero cases of a virus.

Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2021, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:02:50 AM
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.

Allowing infected illegal aliens to swarm over the border then having the government ship them all over the country sure isn't a great infectious disease containment policy. A case could be made our government is perpetrating biological warfare against its own people with this satanic policy.

I believe in lockdowns, lockdown the borders to all immigration type of lockdown. Doesn't have to be permanent. Testing and quarantine for all visitors. Actually if they want to mandate vaccination status for visitors I couldn't care less. The problem is vaccines look to be losing their "punch". Testing and quarantine might end up being a better option. 

Government enforced sheltering in place, destroying small businesses, coercive vaccine policies and arbitrary unscientific rules (like social distancing) is just bureaucratic tyranny. 

Lock everyone in their houses, stop nearly all economic activity and make everyone afraid to talk to their neighbor face to face, force them to get an injection of a substance of unknown long term safety and we just might flatten the curve.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 23, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Never mind lockdowns and killing small businesses,  this will turn the public against you right quick:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-nsw-council-shoots-shelter-dogs-over-infection-fears/5B3ZYZ35BPVEGWQNQXOHMG5HL4/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:02:50 AM
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.  1.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to. 2.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system. 3.

1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 23, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
Someone should lock their self in their room and never come out again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 23, 2021, 08:56:32 AM

I believe in lockdowns, lockdown the borders to all immigration type of lockdown. Doesn't have to be permanent. Testing and quarantine for all visitors. Actually if they want to mandate vaccination status for visitors I couldn't care less. The problem is vaccines look to be losing their "punch". Testing and quarantine might end up being a better option. 


After bringing local transmission of Covid to zero, this is exactly what the NZ and Australian governments did and it worked. Vaccination and other control measures haven’t really been an issue because they didn’t need to be - you could be open with no Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 10:08:51 AM
1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********

Sorry, but pointing out that across two administrations no effective response to COVID has been mounted in the US is not snark. You can repeat that it’s inevitable as many times as you want, but that is demonstrably untrue evidenced by places that did respond effectively to the pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 23, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.

Personally, I'll take the risks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2021, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 23, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.

Personally, I'll take the risks.

Yup.

Funny (well, sort of), I've been watching a bunch of Russian travel videos lately, and a country that we have historically viewed as somewhat totalitarian, seems to be pretty much wide open with few restrictions. More so than the USA.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 23, 2021, 10:40:29 AM
Yup.

Funny (well, sort of), I've been watching a bunch of Russian travel videos lately, and a country that we have historically viewed as somewhat totalitarian, seems to be pretty much wide open with few restrictions. More so than the USA.

As long as you're not a threat to Putin
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 23, 2021, 10:45:41 AM
You better go to the store De Shelby. Truckers say they are going to strike because of the lock downs.

Should be fun. Maybe the truckers will do it here for locked down states.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 23, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:02:50 AM
Okay so having zero Covid transmission domestically, and all cases arriving from overseas is not zero Covid. That’s a bit silly for a standard - it’s like saying the US hasn’t eradicated malaria because it still exists in tropical countries and it hasn’t been 100 years since no cases in the US.

Having only Covid coming from overseas is a success in Covid management. That’s what our current lock downs will return us to.

The comparison to the USA, with hundreds of thousands dead and millions with lifelong complications speaks for itself. There’s no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public health system.

Goddamn boy but you sure do love authoritarianism
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 23, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: dogmush on August 23, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Never mind lockdowns and killing small businesses,  this will turn the public against you right quick:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-nsw-council-shoots-shelter-dogs-over-infection-fears/5B3ZYZ35BPVEGWQNQXOHMG5HL4/

That's not sane.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on August 23, 2021, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 23, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
That's not sane.

  This "sane".  What is "sane? "
  Please explain, and  give examples from current affairs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
Reminds me of that episode of Chernobyl where they're shooting the animals
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 23, 2021, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 10:08:51 AM
1. ALL covid19 came from somewhere else  - - - unless you're in Wuhan China.

2. It's not success, it's risk.   The only possible way not to have that risk is to completely ban entries into Australia.

3. We have had 600,000+  deaths.  I don't know where you get "millions with lifelong complications,"  which are rare but do exist.  America is much larger than Australia and New Zealand combined so, yes,  we're gonna have more problems,  especially as our current dysfunctional president has allowed our southern border to be effectively wide open and the "D" variant is very transmissable compared to the early version.
Your snark that "there's no need to have that level of misery and strain on the public healthcare system" is just plain nasty.
IT'S A PANDEMIC!!!! 
Plenty of other countries have suffered a lot of infections and deaths as well.  Italy, India, England.
Take your vile remarks and   *********

Of the 600k dead probably 550k would be dead anyway even had covid never been released (accidentally or intentionally doesn’t matter anymore) by the CCP. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 23, 2021, 12:02:16 PM
*citation needed
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 23, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
Reminds me of that episode of Chernobyl where they're shooting the animals

Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 23, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.

Agree fully. It just brought it to mind.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on August 23, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on August 23, 2021, 11:46:07 AM
  This "sane".  What is "sane? "
  Please explain, and  give examples from current affairs.

Sanity is a numbers game. The definition is literally decided upon by societal/cultural consensus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Sorry, but pointing out that across two administrations no effective response to COVID has been mounted in the US is not snark. You can repeat that it’s inevitable as many times as you want, but that is demonstrably untrue evidenced by places that did respond effectively to the pandemic.


And you can point out all the little isolated places in the middle of an ocean that have had no problems all you want to but you have yet to inform us how a country the size of America can avoid a world wide pandemic.
I'd say that getting three vaccines ready inside of a year is a pretty darn good response to a major pandemic.  How many vaccines did Australia make?
Zero.  Nada. Zip. Ziltch.  And what % of Aussies are vaccinated? [popcorn]

As for isolated places, the island nation of Tonga  has true ZERO COVID.  No Covid 19 cases.  Of course it's a really small island few people ever even heard of.
I've never heard of it before now.

The more isolated the local is,  the easier it is to keep out THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - oooops, covid 19 ... or any similar major respiratory pandemic.

The United States of America is the flip side of Tonga;  NOT isolated. I wish it was.

Do you rag on Italy, India, England, or other countries that have suffered with covid 19 as harshly as you do America?   
Or are you just laser-beam focused on America?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 23, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 23, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Horrifying as that was, it was really somewhat merciful as otherwise most would have starved to death.  The people were forced to leave them behind when they evacuated, and there wasn’t nearly enough food for them.  Plus the radiation.

The Aussie killing of shelter dogs that were otherwise being well cared for just because they wanted to stop people traveling is pure evil.

I'm sure De Selby will be along to defend the actions of his fellow jack booted statists.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 23, 2021, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 12:53:00 PM

And you can point out all the little isolated places in the middle of an ocean that have had no problems all you want to but you have yet to inform us how a country the size of America can avoid a world wide pandemic.
I'd say that getting three vaccines ready inside of a year is a pretty darn good response to a major pandemic.  How many vaccines did Australia make?
Zero.  Nada. Zip. Ziltch.  And what % of Aussies are vaccinated? [popcorn]

As for isolated places, the island nation of Tonga  has true ZERO COVID.  No Covid 19 cases.  Of course it's a really small island few people ever even heard of.
I've never heard of it before now.

The more isolated the local is,  the easier it is to keep out THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - oooops, covid 19 ... or any similar major respiratory pandemic.

The United States of America is the flip side of Tonga;  NOT isolated. I wish it was.

Do you rag on Italy, India, England, or other countries that have suffered with covid 19 as harshly as you do America?   
Or are you just laser-beam focused on America?

You look at his post history and it’s pretty much exclusively coming here to make snide remarks about America and in particular the healthcare system. One might say it’s trolling. And it’s 50/50 whether he will drive by troll or stick around for a few posts/pages

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
He blinked

Gov. Beshear rescinds executive order mandating masks in schools, child care facilities
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/gov-beshear-rescinds-executive-order-mandating-masks-in-schools-child-care-facilities/article_976d43e8-0432-11ec-b884-9b9ba3de120e.html

and then calls the National Guard to the hospitals

Kentucky seeking help from National Guard, FEMA to help overwhelmed hospitals
https://www.wlky.com/article/kentucky-seeking-help-from-national-guard-fema-to-help-overwhelmed-hospitals-covid/37377088
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 07:45:13 PM
Never too early to start a panic

Quote
    ALERT: New super variant named “Covid-22” could be more dangerous than Delta strain, expert warnedhttps://t.co/uChKwKTyFv

    — Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) August 23, 2021
Quote
“Professor Doctor Sai Reddy of the federal technology institute ETH Zurich, an immunologist, believes that combination of existing strains could result in a new and more dangerous phase of the pandemic,” the paper reports. In other words, COVID-22 doesn’t exist yet and might not ever exist.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 23, 2021, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 23, 2021, 07:45:13 PM
Never too early to start a panic
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/here-we-go-again-expert-warns-of-a-new-super-variant-dubbed-covid-22-that-could-be-more-dangerous-than-delta/

Aha!  Here comesTHE ANDROMEDA STRAIN 2.0!!! [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 23, 2021, 08:05:12 PM
What is the average life expectancy?
 
What is the average age of a "covid victim?"
 
And...
 
There have been a few stories that actually got out here in St. Louis about the number of fatalities that originated in "nursing homes."
 
(I include outfits like hospice, long-term-care, acute care, and so on in those numbers)
 
When a geezer has two types of cancer, and another illness or two, and you are SURPRISED that they die when they catch a nasty cold?
 
Let's put my paranoia hat on... What if two actual beasties? Wuhan-19 is close enough to a prevalent cold virus that they'll test the same? But Wuhan-19 does all those nasties that  you keep reading about? While the regular cold virus just keeps doing what it always has been doing - culling the herd of the slow-moving ill and infirm?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 23, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
There are a handful of advantages to a totalitarian society and there are risks associated with a non-totalitarian society.

Personally, I'll take the risks.

Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.

Basic public health measures mean we’ve spent most of the last year open, doing whatever we wanted and not risking COVID. Achieving that through short term measures that demonstrably eliminate the disease is not communism.

Reading some of the posts here you’d think that Latin America and India are the most free places on earth - it’s as if having lots of COVID infections and death is a measure of freedom.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 23, 2021, 08:57:26 PM
So now, nobody is dying from the flu. Or from motorcycle wrecks. Or various types of cancer.
 
Covid has saved us! It cured everything else!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 23, 2021, 08:57:26 PM
So now, nobody is dying from the flu. Or from motorcycle wrecks. Or various types of cancer.
 
Covid has saved us! It cured everything else!

So you reckon all the statistics about COVID and excess deaths are fake?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 23, 2021, 09:26:20 PM
I'm guessing we're about to see a trough in stats... Low hanging fruit, and so forth.
 
Seriously - the age distribution?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 23, 2021, 10:02:42 PM
Pull up the last four years of CDC death stats and explain it to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 23, 2021, 11:32:24 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on August 23, 2021, 11:46:07 AM
  This "sane".  What is "sane? "
  Please explain, and  give examples from current affairs.

The closest thing to sane recently was Jan. 6th. It's been downhill from there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 24, 2021, 05:09:21 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.

Basic public health measures mean we’ve spent most of the last year open, doing whatever we wanted and not risking COVID. Achieving that through short term measures that demonstrably eliminate the disease is not communism.

Reading some of the posts here you’d think that Latin America and India are the most free places on earth - it’s as if having lots of COVID infections and death is a measure of freedom.

iTs nOt tOtALiTaRiAn

(https://i.ibb.co/0QK8D1j/F06200-C9-E7-E5-44-B9-A6-C4-12-CD6-CCB4424.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6dHjQM)


Keep licking that boot, you’re doing great! Also is this a proper example of The Best Healthcare System In The World as you like to crow about???





Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 24, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Zoiks!

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/082/942/140/original/36cee1a7b1496218.mp4

Booster shot or ride out the storm?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on August 24, 2021, 05:09:21 AM
iTs nOt tOtALiTaRiAn

(https://i.ibb.co/0QK8D1j/F06200-C9-E7-E5-44-B9-A6-C4-12-CD6-CCB4424.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6dHjQM)


Keep licking that boot, you’re doing great! Also is this a proper example of The Best Healthcare System In The World as you like to crow about???

Except, your article is not true:   https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 24, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
from the guardian article:

Quote
The obstetrician John Svigos told the committee on Tuesday that Adelaide was the only mainland capital where paediatric cardiac surgery was not available, which meant critically ill infants and children had to be transferred interstate.

So were the newborns not transferred, or so critically ill they didn't survive the transfer?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 24, 2021, 10:47:31 AM
I note from the article that the cardiac surgery unit at the hospital was closed back in 2002.  If I had to guess, probably due to not having enough pediatric cardiac surgery cases to warrant keeping the unit open.  It is not at all unusual to concentrate specialty surgery into a few hospitals.  That way you get enough cases to keep the skills of the staff sharp which leads to better patient outcomes.  So from the Guardian article, I don't see where this is related to COVID, given that the unit closed 12 years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 10:50:42 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.  .......... 

I have seen video clips of Aussie  and NZ officials telling their populace not even to talk to each other.

I've seen news reports of Australia using the  military to enforce lockdown .... another news report a lone man in an elevator sneezed and is now the subject of a manhunt.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson reported 8/23/21 that in 2017 that Australia changed its laws permitting public gatherings/protests,  and is now taking advantage of that to seriously Crack down on protestors.  Granted, not as bad as Taliban in Afghanistan, but still quite nasty.
I am willing to believe the Tucker piece may involve some hyperbole but not those first two.

"Australia and NZ are not totalitarian."  :O .....  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 24, 2021, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 24, 2021, 10:47:31 AM
I note from the article that the cardiac surgery unit at the hospital was closed back in 2002.  If I had to guess, probably due to not having enough pediatric cardiac surgery cases to warrant keeping the unit open.  It is not at all unusual to concentrate specialty surgery into a few hospitals.  That way you get enough cases to keep the skills of the staff sharp which leads to better patient outcomes.  So from the Guardian article, I don't see where this is related to COVID, given that the unit closed 12 years ago.

That seems the reasonable supposition.  I am curious why these 4 made the MP's radar to make the news.  Was the four infants in a relatively short timeframe something new this year?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 24, 2021, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 23, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Australia and NZ are not totalitarian.
Of course they are.  Australians are not only descendants of convicts, they are descendants of their jailers.  As a society they do not believe rights matter in nearly the same way that any other major English speaking nation does. 

"Zero COVID" style lockdowns can only be effective at scale if they are enforced by a totalitarian regime.

As far as I can tell the New Zealand turn towards authoritarianism is much more recent, but it is absolutely nothing new for Australia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on August 24, 2021, 12:15:25 PM
Now we see the real reason the Chinese created this supervirus. To cover their tracks in stealing the election.  [tinfoil]
Quote from: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/569060-arizona-gop-audit-delayed-after-cyber-ninjas-members-contract-covid-19
A dubious review of millions of ballots cast in Arizona’s largest county will be delayed after three members of the company involved in the effort contracted COVID-19, according to a top Republican state lawmaker.

The firm, Cyber Ninjas, had been expected to hand over findings Monday from its chaotic and widely criticized review of 2020 presidential election ballots cast in Maricopa County, but that timeline will be pushed back after a majority of its team became “quite sick.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 24, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Except, your article is not true:   https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry)

So it’s just a *expletive deleted*it socialist healthcare system then, cool

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 24, 2021, 05:30:04 PM
The morning news today was talking about how tight the lockdowns in Australia and New Zealand were in that people were being arrested on the streets if they couldn't prove they were on their way to work or making a necessary run for food or medicine.

Maybe those people should hold their right arms up stiffly at a 45o angle.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 10:50:42 AM
I have seen video clips of Aussie  and NZ officials telling their populace not even to talk to each other.

I've seen news reports of Australia using the  military to enforce lockdown .... another news report a lone man in an elevator sneezed and is now the subject of a manhunt.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson reported 8/23/21 that in 2017 that Australia changed its laws permitting public gatherings/protests,  and is now taking advantage of that to seriously Crack down on protestors.  Granted, not as bad as Taliban in Afghanistan, but still quite nasty.
I am willing to believe the Tucker piece may involve some hyperbole but not those first two.

"Australia and NZ are not totalitarian."  :O .....  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When there is a lockdown to prevent the spread of disease, that means you can’t go interact with people as normal. That is a temporary measure designed to bring Covid cases down to zero. The rules get lifted when there’s no more disease. That’s a system the founding fathers were quite familiar with - they dealt with even worse diseases.

The hype about protest laws and neighbours and the military is just like the article about the babies - hype and misleading. The measure of freedom is not the Covid death rate and mostly, Australians have been both free to do as they please and also free from the risk of Covid due to reasonable and temporary public health policy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on August 24, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
So it’s just a *expletive deleted*it socialist healthcare system then, cool

Well, every three to four years voters can and do get to demand promises for health, and replace Governments if they’re unhappy with the health system. That very thing happened to the Government that shut down the cardiac unit.

How much of a say do you get in setting up your local hospital system? And can you name a state where no children die due to lack of access to care?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 24, 2021, 12:13:49 PM
Of course they are.  Australians are not only descendants of convicts, they are descendants of their jailers.  As a society they do not believe rights matter in nearly the same way that any other major English speaking nation does. 

"Zero COVID" style lockdowns can only be effective at scale if they are enforced by a totalitarian regime.

As far as I can tell the New Zealand turn towards authoritarianism is much more recent, but it is absolutely nothing new for Australia.

So in other words, your evidence that a society is free is its failure to control Covid? Because that’s how you measure whether a society is totalitarian or not - if they successfully control Covid.

Orwell would be impressed at the way some Americans are making rampant disease equivalent to living free.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:15:43 PM
When there is a lockdown to prevent the spread of disease, that means you can’t go interact with people as normal. That is a temporary measure designed to bring Covid cases down to zero. The rules get lifted when there’s no more disease. That’s a system the founding fathers were quite familiar with - they dealt with even worse diseases.

The hype about protest laws and neighbours and the military is just like the article about the babies - hype and misleading. The measure of freedom is not the Covid death rate and mostly, Australians have been both free to do as they please and also free from the risk of Covid due to reasonable and temporary public health policy.

Really?   PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER? ?    I mean,  are there any MASKS in the Down-under or NZ? ?

The "Founding Fathers" had no idea at all about germs, bacteria or viruses.  Good grief,  they bled George Washington to death with leeches!!!!  "Quite familiar with ...."  Geeesh. 

The protests were on videotape.  That was not a lie.   A number of news outlets reported military enforcing lockdowns    - - - -  was every one   a lie? ?

I believe you are either a troll or utterly clueless about your own back yard.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
So in other words, your evidence that a society is free is its failure to control Covid? Because that’s how you measure whether a society is totalitarian or not - if they successfully control Covid.

Orwell would be impressed at the way some Americans are making rampant disease equivalent to living free.

Oh wait,  you aren't a troll!   Just clueless! 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:27:52 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:23:13 PM
Really?   PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER? ?    I mean,  are there any MASKS in the Down-under or NZ? ?

The "Founding Fathers" had no idea at all about germs, bacteria or viruses.  Good grief,  they bled George Washington to death with leeches!!!!  "Quite familiar with ...."  Geeesh. 

The protests were on videotape.  That was not a lie.   A number of news outlets reported military enforcing lockdowns    - - - -  was every one   a lie? ?

I believe you are either a troll or utterly clueless about your own back yard.

Tommy, people can talk to each other. Your portrayal of life even under lockdown is hype. Bans on large public gatherings to stop disease are not bans on speech or remotely targeted at speech.

George Washington actively quarantined and separated people to stop the spread of disease, in a way not much different to what’s happening in Australia now:

 https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/ (https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:32:26 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:27:52 PM
Tommy, people can talk to each other. Your portrayal of life even under lockdown is hype. Bans on large public gatherings to stop disease are not bans on speech or remotely targeted at speech.

George Washington actively quarantined and separated people to stop the spread of disease, in a way not much different to what’s happening in Australia now:

 https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/ (https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/)

That is not what the Aussie and NZ officials said - - period. IT IS ON VIDEOTAPE!!!!

Washington quarantined people but no one prohibited those people from talking to each other.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:32:26 PM
That is not what the Aussie and NZ officials said - - period. IT IS ON VIDEOTAPE!!!!

Washington quarantined people but no one prohibited those people from talking to each other.

People in quarantine together are not banned from speaking to each other in Australia. You’re just flat out wrong.

Some more history on quarantine laws in the USA:   https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 24, 2021, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:37:02 PM
People in quarantine together are not banned from speaking to each other in Australia. You’re just flat out wrong.
 ....

Jeesh, De Selby; IT WAS ON VIDEO TAPE IN THEIR OWN WORDS!!! 

Do I have to get on a plane and fly down there and beat it into you with a sledge hammer? ?  :facepalm:

Oh, wait, lockdown.  Right. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 24, 2021, 07:52:56 PM
There will never be zero disease.  Perfect safety is an impossible goal and those trying to achieve it will destroy everything we have doing so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 24, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Quarantine was, back then, for the sick, to keep them from spreading the disease.  Not for the healthy.  In some cases while towns would be quarantined because such a high percentage was sick.  Those were, by today’s standards, pretty small towns, and once the population either recovered or died the quarantine was lifted. 

De Selby seems to think that making someone sick with smallpox stay in their home, or a town of a hundreds stay in their own town until the majority are not sick anymore is somehow equivalent to locking down a whole damn continent because 1 individual got sick with a bad cold.  I’m pretty sure there’s something in the DSM V that covers that.

Note, smallpox, especially back then, had death rates of 30% and sometimes higher (some subtypes were up to 75% fatal).  And those who survived were frequently horribly disfigured, blinded, or disabled by joint damage.  Covid-19 has a fatality rate well under 1% and severe impacts on survivors much less prevalent than smallpox.  To conflate the two diseases, at best, deceitful.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 24, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Quarantine was, back then, for the sick, to keep them from spreading the disease.  Not for the healthy.  In some cases while towns would be quarantined because such a high percentage was sick.  Those were, by today’s standards, pretty small towns, and once the population either recovered or died the quarantine was lifted. 

De Selby seems to think that making someone sick with smallpox stay in their home, or a town of a hundreds stay in their own town until the majority are not sick anymore is somehow equivalent to locking down a whole damn continent because 1 individual got sick with a bad cold.  I’m pretty sure there’s something in the DSM V that covers that.

In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?

Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 24, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?

Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.

As many as covid.  Zero.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 24, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
As many as covid.  Zero.

 https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

Hows 629,000 compare to other causes of death???? Pretty sure that’s well into the top ten
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 24, 2021, 08:18:32 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

Hows 629,000 compare to other causes of death???? Pretty sure that’s well into the top ten

That number includes comorbidities.  The CDC itself has stated that US deaths from Covid alone with no other complicating factors are at about six percent of that number.  I don't know if that admission is still on the CDC website someplace or if they finally buried it.  It wasn't a good look for the "we're all gonna die" narrative at the time it was posted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 24, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?

Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.

The common cold, flu, and other similar viruses primarily kill those who are, to put it indelicately, already circling the drain.  Otherwise healthy people are at very low risk, bordering on none, from such viruses, including Covid-19.  The elderly, and those in poor health that are the vast majority of fatalities from covid are the same people that die most years from those other diseases. 

Smallpox however killed not just the old and already sickly, but those in the prime of health at similar rates.

We have to die of something eventually.  Or do you want to shut down entire economies every time a sniffle threatens to kill an 87 year old diabetic with congestive heart failure?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 24, 2021, 08:50:36 PM
Tell me about the dogs? I have friends wanting to come over and do a John Wick on some dog killers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 24, 2021, 09:30:34 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on August 24, 2021, 08:50:36 PM
Tell me about the dogs? I have friends wanting to come over and do a John Wick on some dog killers.

So a shelter had a group of dogs, including a momma dog who had just had 10 puppies, and a rescue group over there was about to come pick them up.

So naturally the local government took it upon themselves to put a stop to that notion in a most permanent manner by shooting the dogs.

But you know, totally no shades of totalitarianism going on there at all. No sir.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 24, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
The 'Rona is VERY contagious, right? Highly transmissible.
 
Okay. Since the mess started, the population of the City of St. Louis is at about 0.172% casualties, the majority of whom were geriatric patients in nursing homes, etc... The number includes hospice patients. Patients with DNR orders on file. Terminal cancer patients.
 
ZOMG, it is FATAL! Well, maybe if you're 80 years old, and a nurse's aide has to turn you over a few times a day to help prevent pressure ulcers... before you die, because that's what you are in the facility to do.

That is the number for the whole City part of the metro. 319,000 population.
 
Murders are a bit over half that.
 
So, how contagious is it? ZOMG, wear that mask made out of a scrap of tighty-whities... That'll fix everything...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 24, 2021, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
So in other words, your evidence that a society is free is its failure to control Covid? Because that’s how you measure whether a society is totalitarian or not - if they successfully control Covid.

Orwell would be impressed at the way some Americans are making rampant disease equivalent to living free.
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I am saying that to achieve zero covid (or zero murders, or zero drug use, or whatever) requires totalitarian control.  You may argue that you approve of that control in this case because reasons, but you can’t argue that it isn’t totalitarian.

Which is of course not to say a country that has significant infection is automatically more free, nor that a country that does a generally good job handling disease is automatically totalitarian.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 24, 2021, 10:18:44 PM
People used to catch a cold, and just chug some nyquil and deal with it.
 
Now?
 
Now you have to have DRAMA!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 24, 2021, 09:40:27 PM
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I am saying that to achieve zero covid (or zero murders, or zero drug use, or whatever) requires totalitarian control.  You may argue that you approve of that control in this case because reasons, but you can’t argue that it isn’t totalitarian.

Which is of course not to say a country that has significant infection is automatically more free, nor that a country that does a generally good job handling disease is automatically totalitarian.

Yeah, I don’t think basic public health and quarantine laws of the sorts used by the founding fathers are a mark of totalitarianism. And voters get to decide on that question in both countries.

Compliance with measures to stop the spread of a plague isn’t a sign of people having no say; it’s a sign that they actually have something of a community spirit and shared identity.

Being willing to let granny die a few years early a la posts in this thread is not a healthy sign of individual rights or democracy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 24, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
The common cold, flu, and other similar viruses primarily kill those who are, to put it indelicately, already circling the drain.  Otherwise healthy people are at very low risk, bordering on none, from such viruses, including Covid-19.  The elderly, and those in poor health that are the vast majority of fatalities from covid are the same people that die most years from those other diseases. 

Smallpox however killed not just the old and already sickly, but those in the prime of health at similar rates.

We have to die of something eventually.  Or do you want to shut down entire economies every time a sniffle threatens to kill an 87 year old diabetic with congestive heart failure?

And yet these diseases don’t kill 600,000 plus people per year like COVID. It’s not the common cold or flu. At minimum, you should at least have a democratic say on how valuable those lives are before deciding whether they’re not worth the economic costs of saving them. That’s not a call that should be made by individual people sitting in their homes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 24, 2021, 11:13:49 PM
Well, no... We used to call terminal cancer patients dying from the bug of the week "terminal cancer patients dying."
 
Thanks to a bunch of politicians, and panic, we have picked the low hanging fruit.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 25, 2021, 06:02:01 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 10:57:59 PM
Yeah, I don’t think basic public health and quarantine laws of the sorts used by the founding fathers are a mark of totalitarianism. And voters get to decide on that question in both countries.

Compliance with measures to stop the spread of a plague isn’t a sign of people having no say; it’s a sign that they actually have something of a community spirit and shared identity.

Being willing to let granny die a few years early a la posts in this thread is not a healthy sign of individual rights or democracy.
Please educate me:
When has any society prior to 2020 enforced mass quarantine laws on their entire nation?  When did the founding fathers lock down the fledgling United States and arrest anyone who went outside without a good enough reason?  When did Thomas Jefferson arrest someone for speaking out against mass quarantine?

We aren’t talking voluntary compliance though, are we? 

Locking granny in a room to die alone is?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 25, 2021, 06:02:01 AM
Please educate me:
When has any society prior to 2020 enforced mass quarantine laws on their entire nation?  When did the founding fathers lock down the fledgling United States and arrest anyone who went outside without a good enough reason?  When did Thomas Jefferson arrest someone for speaking out against mass quarantine?

We aren’t talking voluntary compliance though, are we? 

Locking granny in a room to die alone is?

1. That would be the United States among many others. Wherever smallpox or plagues appeared, there were quarantines. Quarantines at international borders were also routine. That’s no different to what’s happening in in AU/NZ.

2. Not allowing people in quarantine because of an infectious disease to leave quarantine is the definition of quarantine. Taking dramatic licence with your description doesn’t change what it is, and it’s been in use in the entire English speaking world for as long as there’s been communicable disease.

3. No one is being arrested for speaking out against quarantine in Australia. Breaching quarantines by holding mass gatherings, whatever the purpose, is illegal because it spreads disease. See answers 1 and 2.

4. Quarantines in Australia and NZ are effective because of mass compliance, not enforcement. Many parts of the US had the same rules but the widespread refusal to follow them made them ineffective in 2020. If I were to generalise like you did about culture, I might say that America was founded by religious fanatics who burned people for witchcraft, and America has a long tradition of ignoring science for religion - even today large numbers of people believe the earth is 6000 years old, and that medical science is quackery and prayer cures disease more effectively. That long tradition of superstition and science denial might be why so many people think COVID is fake, and why they ignore proven medical responses to the disease.

In terms of granny, Bogies posts on this thread and many others imply that old people dying of Covid isn’t really a problem because old people die of something or other. What more is there to say about that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 25, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
 =)  At least you are predictable De Selby.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
1. That would be the United States among many others. Wherever smallpox or plagues appeared, there were quarantines. Quarantines at international borders were also routine. That’s no different to what’s happening in in AU/NZ.
No one here is arguing against quarantining people who are infected with very dangerous and contagious diseases, nor even quarantining people who cross international borders.  Are you claiming that those are the limit of what Australia or New Zealand (or the US for that matter) are doing as far as lockdowns?

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
2. Not allowing people in quarantine because of an infectious disease to leave quarantine is the definition of quarantine. Taking dramatic licence with your description doesn’t change what it is, and it’s been in use in the entire English speaking world for as long as there’s been communicable disease.
Yes, quarantining sick people is a thing.  That is not equivalent to general lockdowns. 
"Look, we have a long history of locking up people who are sick with very dangerous and contagious diseases, so of course there is precedent for locking up everyone irrespective of their health status, forcing them to close their businesses, arresting them for walking on the beach, and so forth!" 

My kids can loan you their book on avoiding basic logical fallacies if you need to borrow a copy.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
4. Quarantines in Australia and NZ are effective because of mass compliance, not enforcement. Many parts of the US had the same rules but the widespread refusal to follow them made them ineffective in 2020.
Yes, I believe that Australians in general are far more tolerant of the totalitarianism of the Australian system.  That's kind of my point.  But I've also seen enough of the Australian protests to know that compliance is hardly universal and has required some ... enthusiastic enforcement, to back it up.  As you say, some parts of the US had similar rules, but as most of those rules were of questionable legal founding and therefore tended to lack the enforcement the Australians were willing to exercise.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
In terms of granny, Bogies posts on this thread and many others imply that old people dying of Covid isn’t really a problem because old people die of something or other. What more is there to say about that?
Sorry, were you under the misapprehension that I am Bogie?

That said, we have known about the disproportionate risks of COVID to elderly and otherwise at-risk patients since before COVID was known to have escaped China.  On the other hand, we've made policy based on the idea that everyone is at equal risk.

Had a government from the outset instituted a border quarantine, a quarantine for anyone who tested positive, encouraged free testing, suggested that elderly and otherwise at-risk people stay home and made provisions to deliver food and medicine when necessary, but allowed the population to generally make their own decisions few people would have complained, the people most likely to be severely impacted would have been protected, individuals and businesses who wanted to take extra precautions would have been able to do so.  But that is not what was generally done, was it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 10:57:19 AM
The beauty of the Chinese propaganda was how they convinced people who wanted to be "safe" that they could kill, or be killed, by someone innocent. "Asymptomatic" was such a nice science-sounding word.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 25, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Gladys Berejiklian, premier of New South Wales, has gone on record saying that lockdowns and other major restrictions will remain a fact of life in Australia even if zero Covid is reached.  De Selby needs to set her straight, obviously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 25, 2021, 11:47:48 AM
So Deselby you’re saying it was voluntary compliance that has made the difference?

Then why the deployment of troops in the street? In fact why need to make it law at all if your population is so virtuous about compliance compared to the US?

You don’t back up voluntary compliance with the threat or the actual employment of force but you sure as hell need both to achieve involuntary compliance.



Tyranny exercised “for the greater good” is still tyranny.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 25, 2021, 11:55:30 AM
"Then why the deployment of troops in the street?"

Why, those troops obviously volunteered to muster on their own! NO direction from the Government to do so, it was just them thinking of the Greater Good!

How totalitarian of you not to see that!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: tokugawa on August 25, 2021, 12:45:37 PM
It's all a massive distortion to get control, based on fear.
covid is a tool, a lever.
It reminds me very much of the hysteria around "gun violence"- another fear tool.
Governments have been running these on people forever.
Believing their numbers is the first mistake.

If this was a serious issue, we would not be arguing on published numbers.
We would all know people who died.
I know of one person, a family member. Covid death.
He was 101 years old, with multiple issues. Covid death.

I think it was Orwell who said the ultimate goal of propaganda indoctrination was that people would believe what they were told, rather than what was right in front of them, clear to the senses.

The best thing about all of this was the wake-up call as to how many Americans are closet totalitarians.
Our twanloc are not those who braved the north Atlantic or set off on the Oregon trail....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2021, 12:47:12 PM
Incompetence is often mistaken for conspiracy
And in this case it's complete total incompetence
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 01:00:33 PM
And gullibility. Maslow's hierarchy at work too - people want SAFETY, and when this was pushed by the Chinese to a media that wanted something that bled a LOT, the Chinese obliged with a pretty serious propaganda package... ZOMG, but it's the end of the world, and we're shutting ALL THE THINGS down, and scraping people off the pavement and welding people into their apartment buildings.
 
Couple in another big word - co-morbidities. EVERYONE has co-morbidities. So EVERYONE should be afraid, because you need safety.
 
AND WE BOUGHT IT.
 
We shut everything down. Some started back up, but some stuff has stayed closed for the whole time. The woke folk demand that their favorite restaurants stay shuttered. They glory in the handwavium of "curbside pickup" and having the untouchable essential workers bringing them the things, while they have their zoom meetings.
 
Some people, a large number of people, still believe that mere contact with an "asymptomatic carrier" is a death sentence. And they are very noisy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2021, 05:33:20 PM
We're all going to die! Again

Experts concerned about possible ‘twindemic’ as US enters flu season amid rising COVID-19 cases
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/25/experts-concerned-about-possible-twindemic-us-enters-flu-season-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 25, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 25, 2021, 05:33:20 PM
We're all going to die! Again

Experts concerned about possible ‘twindemic’ as US enters flu season amid rising COVID-19 cases
https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/25/experts-concerned-about-possible-twindemic-us-enters-flu-season-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/

Uh why wasn’t that a concern last flu season?

Oh that’s right the flu miraculously disappeared for a few months since it knew we were dealing with the Kung Flu
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 05:51:12 PM
"Woke" businesses cannot reopen, beyond the handwavium stage... If there aren't butts in chairs in your restaurant, you're gonna go out of business. I wonder what Mickey D's plans to do with the extra sit-down space? Most of the fast food around here is only open for drive-thru. And the pubs are open or closed based mostly on their clientele... There's a very nice brew pub near me, and they're shut down until October at least. The woke insist upon outdoor seating, but... This is St. Louis - over 90, high humidity, or under 40, and high humidity. "But they can have those essential people deliver packages to their doorsteps."
 
Oh, and the masks and social distancing stopped all the flu bugs... Right...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 25, 2021, 06:17:55 PM
Everything on this side of the state has been fully open for over a year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 25, 2021, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 10:57:19 AM
The beauty of the Chinese propaganda was how they convinced people who wanted to be "safe" that they could kill, or be killed, by someone innocent. "Asymptomatic" was such a nice science-sounding word.

Same as when the Nazi propaganda convinced people who wanted to be "safe" that they could be killed by outsiders: Jews, Roma, political opponents, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 25, 2021, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: tokugawa on August 25, 2021, 12:45:37 PM
It's all a massive distortion to get control, based on fear.
covid is a tool, a lever.
It reminds me very much of the hysteria around "gun violence"- another fear tool.
Governments have been running these on people forever.
Believing their numbers is the first mistake.

If this was a serious issue, we would not be arguing on published numbers.
We would all know people who died.
I know of one person, a family member. Covid death.
He was 101 years old, with multiple issues. Covid death.

I think it was Orwell who said the ultimate goal of propaganda indoctrination was that people would believe what they were told, rather than what was right in front of them, clear to the senses.

The best thing about all of this was the wake-up call as to how many Americans are closet totalitarians.
Our twanloc are not those who braved the north Atlantic or set off on the Oregon trail....

Quoted because this deserves to be read again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 06:43:48 PM
Maybe we're too close to Illinois... That, and I figure that hiring enough staff to open the fast food outfits fully would be pretty hard here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2021, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on August 25, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Uh why wasn’t that a concern last flu season?

Oh that’s right the flu miraculously disappeared for a few months since it knew we were dealing with the Kung Flu
IMO, the social distancing behavior and (most) people taking extra care when sick to not spread it at work or in public has probably done a lot to cut down on the flu.  Why it would suddenly make a come back, I don't know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 25, 2021, 06:43:48 PM
Maybe we're too close to Illinois... That, and I figure that hiring enough staff to open the fast food outfits fully would be pretty hard here.
I tried to go to a local Popeye's last week.  They had the dining room entrance locked.  I called to ask if it was policy or not.  They said they were short handed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
Woman jailed for up to 2 years for coughing on supermarket groceries claiming she had Covid
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/woman-jailed-2-years-coughing-063631480.html

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Margaret Ann Cirko, 37, had entered a Gerrity's supermarket in Hanover township on 25 March last year and purposely coughed on food while screaming that she had the coronavirus and that everyone would get sick, authorities said.

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Ms Cirko pleaded guilty in June to a charge of weapons of mass destruction, considered a second-degree felony in the country, according to a local media report.

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“I wish I could take it back,” said Ms Cirko, apologising in court on Tuesday. Apart from the jail sentence, she was ordered to pay $30,000 in restitution and undergo mental health and alcohol evaluations.

Over $35,000 worth of food and other items had to be thrown out because of the “twisted prank”, according to Joe Fasula, the co-owner of the supermarket chain.

They threw the book at her it sounds like.  Not that I sympathize at all, but I have to wonder how many criminals were released or not charged during the same time.  I think paying the fines/restitution should have been enough, but I have my doubts she will ever actually pay it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 25, 2021, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 24, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
In how many years is the common cold in the top ten causes of death? And with the infection rate of COVID, absent quarantines, how many become sick?

Your entire premise seems to be that Covid isn’t very bad. It’s fair for a majority of voters to disagree with you and seek measures to control it.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-bizarre-refusal-to-apply-cost

Good article on those with De Selby’s viewpoint and their outright refusal to discuss the costs of the lockdowns and other anti-covid measures.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 25, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
=)  At least you are predictable De Selby.
No one here is arguing against quarantining people who are infected with very dangerous and contagious diseases, nor even quarantining people who cross international borders.  Are you claiming that those are the limit of what Australia or New Zealand (or the US for that matter) are doing as far as lockdowns?
Yes, quarantining sick people is a thing.  That is not equivalent to general lockdowns. 
"Look, we have a long history of locking up people who are sick with very dangerous and contagious diseases, so of course there is precedent for locking up everyone irrespective of their health status, forcing them to close their businesses, arresting them for walking on the beach, and so forth!" 

Cutting off towns is what the founding fathers sometimes did for disease. Quarantine applies to not just sick people, but people who are at risk for spreading disease. There is no in principle difference between the laws and powers in Australia and the US on this topic.


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My kids can loan you their book on avoiding basic logical fallacies if you need to borrow a copy.
Yes, I believe that Australians in general are far more tolerant of the totalitarianism of the Australian system.  That's kind of my point.  But I've also seen enough of the Australian protests to know that compliance is hardly universal and has required some ... enthusiastic enforcement, to back it up.  As you say, some parts of the US had similar rules, but as most of those rules were of questionable legal founding and therefore tended to lack the enforcement the Australians were willing to exercise.

The point here is that both legal regimes are quite similar, so unless you think George Washington and the entire crew that wrote the first laws of the nation were totalitarians your argument holds no water. The difference in Covid rates isn’t because of the legal frameworks, it’s because people mostly understand the benefits of eliminating Covid and comply. Enforcement is possible because if that compliance and democratic endorsement of the rules. Large swaths of people in the US consider this totalitarian not because they wouldn’t endorse the same for say, Ebola, but instead because they don’t believe the science on COVID, or, as below, don’t think it’s worth inconveniencing themselves for a few weeks to save old and sick people.

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Sorry, were you under the misapprehension that I am Bogie?

That said, we have known about the disproportionate risks of COVID to elderly and otherwise at-risk patients since before COVID was known to have escaped China.  On the other hand, we've made policy based on the idea that everyone is at equal risk.

Had a government from the outset instituted a border quarantine, a quarantine for anyone who tested positive, encouraged free testing, suggested that elderly and otherwise at-risk people stay home and made provisions to deliver food and medicine when necessary, but allowed the population to generally make their own decisions few people would have complained, the people most likely to be severely impacted would have been protected, individuals and businesses who wanted to take extra precautions would have been able to do so.  But that is not what was generally done, was it?

Well, Bogie’s viewpoint doesn’t seem to be uncommon among the Covid deniers and those who say public health measures that have been on American books from the founding of the nation are totalitarian. Again, not a sign of healthy democracy, just a sign of being willing to decide for other people when it’s okay for them to die.

Why wonder about a theoretical quarantine and its effects, when real life systems have achieved zero Covid and got everyone back to normal life in a limited amount of time?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on August 25, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Gladys Berejiklian, premier of New South Wales, has gone on record saying that lockdowns and other major restrictions will remain a fact of life in Australia even if zero Covid is reached.  De Selby needs to set her straight, obviously.

Try sourcing that, because I’ve been watching her say the opposite daily.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on August 25, 2021, 11:47:48 AM
So Deselby you’re saying it was voluntary compliance that has made the difference?

Then why the deployment of troops in the street? In fact why need to make it law at all if your population is so virtuous about compliance compared to the US?

You don’t back up voluntary compliance with the threat or the actual employment of force but you sure as hell need both to achieve involuntary compliance.



Tyranny exercised “for the greater good” is still tyranny.

There are not troops on the street and even if there were, if the numbers of COVID deniers and superstitious folk willing to ignore directions were anything like American levels they would not be effective.

Compliance checks on people who are quarantined because they’ve been exposed or tested positive require large numbers of staff and are patently justified to stop the spread of the disease, and that’s what the extra bodies are doing, not roaming the streets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 25, 2021, 09:44:55 PM
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-bizarre-refusal-to-apply-cost

Good article on those with De Selby’s viewpoint and their outright refusal to discuss the costs of the lockdowns and other anti-covid measures.

This is a reasonable article and a fair point. Lockdowns should be effective and short term, and that’s proven to result in economic benefits via zero Covid. They shouldn’t be done endlessly and in circumstances where they aren’t effective to shut down disease in a limited amount of time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 26, 2021, 12:31:39 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Cutting off towns is what the founding fathers sometimes did for disease. Quarantine applies to not just sick people, but people who are at risk for spreading disease. There is no in principle difference between the laws and powers in Australia and the US on this topic.



And again, you’re conflating a quarantine for a disease with a 30+% fatality rate (plus life altering disfigurement/blindness for close to as many again) where they would isolate a town that was being ravaged by it, and a disease with closer to a 0.30% fatality rate where they’re locking down entire continents over 1 person sneezing.

Covid is, for practical purposes, a nothing burger for those under 60, unless pretty sickly already.  And for children it is less deadly than the flu.  For jabbed adults the risk is lower than a whole lot of normal daily activities.  Those over 60 and/or with significant co-morbidities it certainly is worse than the flu, but it’s still not even close to freaking smallpox levels of death and disfigurement.

I’m seriously getting tired of the fear porn.  It crossed over into the more harm than good category quite a while ago. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on August 26, 2021, 12:32:38 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
Try sourcing that, because I’ve been watching her say the opposite daily.

I watched the video of her saying that yesterday.  I'll see if I can find it again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 26, 2021, 12:56:33 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 26, 2021, 12:31:39 AM
And again, you’re conflating a quarantine for a disease with a 30+% fatality rate (plus life altering disfigurement/blindness for close to as many again) where they would isolate a town that was being ravaged by it, and a disease with closer to a 0.30% fatality rate where they’re locking down entire continents over 1 person sneezing.

Covid is, for practical purposes, a nothing burger for those under 60, unless pretty sickly already.  And for children it is less deadly than the flu.  For jabbed adults the risk is lower than a whole lot of normal daily activities.  Those over 60 and/or with significant co-morbidities it certainly is worse than the flu, but it’s still not even close to freaking smallpox levels of death and disfigurement.

I’m seriously getting tired of the fear porn.  It crossed over into the more harm than good category quite a while ago.

Okay, at what level of death is quarantine an acceptable response, and how did you arrive at that level?  Or do you think maybe that’s one we should let citizens vote on?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 08:00:37 AM
We had to do a quarantine, because the Chinese did...
 
Only, we didn't... Mass transit never stopped running.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 26, 2021, 08:25:33 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Cutting off towns is what the founding fathers sometimes did for disease. Quarantine applies to not just sick people, but people who are at risk for spreading disease. There is no in principle difference between the laws and powers in Australia and the US on this topic.
Nope.  The widespread and indiscriminate COVID lockdowns do not have any historical precedent in the US, and I doubt if they have any real precedent in world history in peacetime.  If you think there is some specific example that contradicts that please feel free to point it out.

Just like you didn't actually read the link you posted earlier about US quarantine history (which did nothing to support your assertions, by the way), you're continuing to confidently make false statements to try to support an untenable position.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
The difference in Covid rates isn’t because of the legal frameworks, it’s because people mostly understand the benefits of eliminating Covid and comply. Enforcement is possible because if that compliance and democratic endorsement of the rules.
I have already agreed that there is a greater general acceptance in Australia of their rules due in part to their cultural history.  Remember getting all huffy about my remark about Australians being descendants not only of convicts but of their jailers?  (Which was actually paraphrased from Katy Barnett, a law professor at the University of Melbourne, by the way.)

However, as I've said before, lockdowns and PPE do not eliminate COVID in any way except locally and temporarily.  They are strictly delaying tactics.  Local herd immunity - if that is even possible with COVID - produced by a combination of vaccination, natural immunity, recovered COVID cases, and whatever prophylactic treatments are effective is the only way to enduringly eliminate a disease that has spread to such an extent.  I have mocked China for their heavy-handed reaction to COVID, but as extreme as it was that response was too little too late to prevent COVID escape ... assuming for the moment that they were actually intending to extinguish it. 

That was the only time and place a lockdown even had the possibility of "eliminating Covid".  Australia and New Zealand can only eliminate it until it escapes again, then they have to lock down again.  And again.  And again.  And if COVID mutates fast enough, even regular vaccination updates may be insufficient to prevent it in the long run, which means locking down every time it rears its head forever.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Large swaths of people in the US consider this totalitarian not because they wouldn’t endorse the same for say, Ebola, but instead because they don’t believe the science on COVID, or, as below, don’t think it’s worth inconveniencing themselves for a few weeks to save old and sick people.
You're right, the relative severity of COVID does play a huge role in to how accepting people are of the response.  That is as it should be, I think.

But let's play this out for a second.  Exactly what "science on COVID" do you claim that I don't believe?  Please note I'm not talking about Bogie, or some other strawman.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Well, Bogie’s viewpoint doesn’t seem to be uncommon among the Covid deniers and those who say public health measures that have been on American books from the founding of the nation are totalitarian.
I guess I'll have to let you argue with Bogie about his beliefs.

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
... just a sign of being willing to decide for other people when it’s okay for them to die.
Quote from: De Selby on August 26, 2021, 12:56:33 AM
Okay, at what level of death is quarantine an acceptable response, and how did you arrive at that level?
Very good question.  As above, if you don't lock down countries to prevent the flu (which kills a large number of people every year that is not 2020), aren't you just deciding for other people when it is okay for them to die?  How many grannies are you willing to kill each year by not locking down for every disease that might kill them?  Why do you hate grandma?

Quote from: De Selby on August 25, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
Why wonder about a theoretical quarantine and its effects, when real life systems have achieved zero Covid and got everyone back to normal life in a limited amount of time?
I'm not insensible to the significant benefits of zero COVID.  As I've said from the beginning, the various costs of having a government that can and does impose and maintain the kind of lockdowns necessary to achieve zero COVID as many times as necessary to maintain zero COVID indefinitely is the problem.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 26, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
IMO, we never had a lock down or quarantine here.  No one was ever required to stay home or stay separated from others to a great extent.  Many people worked from home, but a whole lot of people could not and did not.  Some businesses were closed (local businesses).  Big store chains remained open especially grocery stores.  So everyone was still going to the local grocery store and the people who work there were still going to work.  Repeat that for a lot of other "essential" businesses.  Also, distributors for internet sellers were all open and working and packing merchandise to mail/ship out to people.  Delivery people were working OT to go around to the houses of all the people who were "locked down".  I am sure none of that was a vector for spread.  So, a whole lot of people continued to work and probably worked more hours.

Protests and rioting was tolerated.  None of those people were distancing at all as far as I could tell.  This required police and others to be out there to keep an eye on the protesters and try to limit rioting.  So in some places a whole segment of people were not locked down in any way shape or form and spreading whatever they picked up to friends and relatives. 

Jails and prisons were releasing everyone they could.  Jails were making efforts to segregate prisoners who tested positive (at least I heard that from someone locally).

In a handful of states, sick people were deliberately put in nursing homes and elder care facilities.  This was either monumentally stupid or done deliberately to spread the disease and cause more deaths.  All that while the same facilities were not allowing family to visit.  Then the local leaders were making attempts to conceal the number of deaths from those facilities. 

There were lot of travel bans ordered.  I didn't hear anyone seriously talk about closing the Southern border even though there were stories about many illegal aliens carrying COVID or coming here for treatment.   

One of the biggest things I remember is almost none of the politicians or media was actually following the rules they wanted everyone else to follow.  Even Dr. Fauci was seen to pull his mask off as soon as he thought he wasn't on camera.  We saw all sorts of media and politicians flaunting the rules they defended whenever they thought the weren't on camera.  It was obvious none of them believed in the crap they were saying.

Am I saying COVID isn't real?  No.  Am I saying the govt rules and response is mostly BS?  Yes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 11:55:30 AM
Consider:
 
Coronaviruses have been around a LONG time. They are considered one of the causes of "the common cold."
 
19 was just a new one.
 
And like the old ones, it kills the hell out of people who are already on Death's doorstep.
 
Do we have a vaccine for the common cold now? Maybe for one type.
 
Under 0.2% nationally, for a bug that is SO easy to catch and spread - after 18 months...
 
And it is still allergy season. So mask stuff mostly just makes people miserable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 26, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
Bogie,

Assuming you can believe government numbers, there was a significant spike in deaths much larger than (for instance) the death spikes seen during nasty flu seasons.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Scroll down a bit until you see the chart showing Weekly number of deaths (from all causes).

The spike to the left side of the graph is a bad flu season.  The spikes toward the right are COVID.

COVID definitely is much more likely to kill people who are already nearing death, however it's not equivalent in any way to a "normal" cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 26, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
The Aussies don't seem to be interested in "temporary quarantine" to get back to business. They are building centralized quarantine facilities that won't even be ready until 2022. Doesn't sound very "zero cases of covid and then back to business" to me.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/26/australian-politician-quite-excited-to-announce-groundbreaking-for-new-covid-quarantine-facility/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
Got to have someplace to put all the people that protest the unwarranted killing of dogs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 26, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
To be fair, that appears to be a quarantine facility for inbound travelers and their hotel quarantines have had issues.

It does seem that they're expecting that COVID is going to be sticking around despite the vaccines and that they're expecting to have to maintain the same kind of posture for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
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they're expecting to have to maintain the same kind of posture for the foreseeable future.


“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”

― George Orwell, 1984
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 26, 2021, 03:49:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/mq570R0/0-DFCDB63-7-B38-4-BB4-B211-D4243081-ABE1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fw4tXhX)

Oh look special prison like privileges for the citizens! A whole hour for exercise and the reward of another for recreation plus the very special reward of being able to see five of your fellow inmates at a time.

But hey, it’s not tyranny in any way whatsoever. Treating people like prison inmates is totally a free society, and despite this coming from a news agency I’m sure it’s false and I’m wrong.

Wonder what the penalty for violation of your allotted time and privileges are? Surely it’a something wonderful like a hug.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 26, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
OMG! SUCH freedom!

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 03:55:43 PM
Obey or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ffr1U7KMY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 26, 2021, 04:10:45 PM
Quote from: K Frame on August 26, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
OMG! SUCH freedom!


The insistence that all this isn’t tyranny does make me wonder where De Selby draws the “oh it’s tyranny now” line. My guess is he never does.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 26, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
I wonder which country will be the first to entertain the concept of quarantining the unvaccinated so they don't contract or spread the virus.  Except of course as we have seen, even the vaccinated can contract or spread the virus, albeit at lower rates or lesser severity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 26, 2021, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 26, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
I wonder which country will be the first to entertain the concept of quarantining the unvaccinated so they don't contract or spread the virus.  Except of course as we have seen, even the vaccinated can contract or spread the virus, albeit at lower rates or lesser severity.

As a dude with natural immunity, I'm waiting till they quarantine all the rest of you.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 26, 2021, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 26, 2021, 04:52:03 PM
As a dude with natural immunity, I'm waiting till they quarantine all the rest of you.  =D

I hope that you will use your powers of immunity for good!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 26, 2021, 04:52:03 PM
As a dude with natural immunity, I'm waiting till they quarantine all the rest of you.  =D

What in your recent experience tells you that our jackbooted overlords will allow natural immunity to exempt you from the compulsory vaccine?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 26, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
What in your recent experience tells you that our jackbooted overlords will allow natural immunity to exempt you from the compulsory vaccine?
In the US the refrain is "VACCINE GOOD" not "IMMUNITY GOOD".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 26, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
What in your recent experience tells you that our jackbooted overlords will allow natural immunity to exempt you from the compulsory vaccine?

Nothing. This has been one of my constantly posted gripes around here. The vast majority of first world nations that are doing the whole "passport" thing are including proof of natural immunity along with proof of vaccine. It is perplexing to me that we (and maybe that weirdo Australia place) are one of the only advanced nations completely ignoring it and lumping naturally immune unvaccinated people in with unvaccinated that have not acquired immunity. It's bordering on information suppression.

To me it is strong evidence that the vaccination and vaccine passport push are not just about preventing covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
Battle of the viruses

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These viruses are all competing with each other for advantage to be the one that survives,” Durbin told Newsweek. “We know that the lambda variant has some of the same mutations as the delta variant that we think (will) allow it to be more transmissible, so it would be difficult to outcompete the delta variant.”

The dangerous lambda variant has started spreading in California
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-dangerous-lambda-variant-has-started-spreading-in-california/ar-AANKtlq?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 26, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
Maybe we will get to the zombie variant and I can finally use this chainsaw bayonet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 26, 2021, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on August 26, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
Maybe we will get to the zombie variant and I can finally use this chainsaw bayonet.

That would be awesome!   :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 26, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
I keep telling you guys that it's the Omega variant that we want!

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-GKV7HHYeCoE%2FVNCx7CJGGEI%2FAAAAAAAAzMU%2FeSUd3u1sIto%2Fs1600%2FThe%252BOmega%252BMan%252B1970%252B8.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 26, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 26, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
The Aussies don't seem to be interested in "temporary quarantine" to get back to business. They are building centralized quarantine facilities that won't even be ready until 2022. Doesn't sound very "zero cases of covid and then back to business" to me.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/26/australian-politician-quite-excited-to-announce-groundbreaking-for-new-covid-quarantine-facility/

That’s for international arrivals, not domestic. International quarantine is going to be necessary as long as the rest of the world doesn’t control disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 26, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
I keep telling you guys that it's the Omega variant that we want!


They move too fast, as I get older I need enemies I can out walk.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 26, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 08:10:31 PM
They move too fast, as I get older I need enemies I can out walk hobble.

FTFY.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 26, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
FTFY.

I'm not that bad despite having a shorter and crooked right leg from being hit by a car.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 08:55:44 PM
But the Really Smart people say that there is no such thing as natural immunity.
 
And that the shots don't provide immunity either.
 
And they want you to wear a mask that -might- be 10-20% effective.
 
Against the most deadliester plague to evar plague us...
 
Because only perfect safety matters, and you have a co-morbidity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 26, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
The fear propaganda being pumped into my cellphone was proclaiming America might hit 100,000 covid deaths total! 

If only I didn't know that nearly 2 years of "100,000 covid deaths" is still less than one year's total influenza and pneumonia deaths (120,000+).

Way to inadvertently say that super special covid is less than half the problem of regular yearly flu and pneumonia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 26, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gwnAmRL.jpg?1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
Frankly, as long as you're not taking stupid lethal doses, what does it really matter? I remember when the media twisted the whole Trump press conference on hcq and "injecting light" all over the place, and some idiot got fed fish meds by his loving spouse, and DRT...
 
As things fall out, it seems to me that the HCQ is decent as a prophylactic, but it will never test as an antiviral...
 
And there's the rub... The "smart people" insisted that it be considered an antiviral... And nothing else.
 
I think I'll have another vodka tonic...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on August 26, 2021, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 26, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
The fear propaganda being pumped into my cellphone was proclaiming America might hit 100,000 covid deaths total! 

If only I didn't know that nearly 2 years of "100,000 covid deaths" is still less than one year's total influenza and pneumonia deaths (120,000+).

Way to inadvertently say that super special covid is less than half the problem of regular yearly flu and pneumonia.

But but big scary number!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 26, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 26, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gwnAmRL.jpg?1)

So who is that Ad Hominum insult aimed at exactly?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 26, 2021, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 26, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
The fear propaganda being pumped into my cellphone was proclaiming America might hit 100,000 covid deaths total! 

If only I didn't know that nearly 2 years of "100,000 covid deaths" is still less than one year's total influenza and pneumonia deaths (120,000+).

Way to inadvertently say that super special covid is less than half the problem of regular yearly flu and pneumonia.
I thought the official number was something like 650k.

I think they are saying 100k more covid deaths than we already have had.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 10:21:12 PM
The real bottom line?
 
"With" or "From" - that's the problem?
 
When most of the folks dying "with" it are over the average life expectancy, one must... adhere to the wishes of the media. Yeah, that's right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 26, 2021, 08:25:33 AM
Nope.  The widespread and indiscriminate COVID lockdowns do not have any historical precedent in the US, and I doubt if they have any real precedent in world history in peacetime.  If you think there is some specific example that contradicts that please feel free to point it out.

Posted earlier in this thread:  https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf)

Your analysis of the legal history of quarantines and lockdowns is simply wrong, there’s not much more to be said there and if you read the link you’ll get a short history of the expansive public health emergency powers available and their history in the USA.

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However, as I've said before, lockdowns and PPE do not eliminate COVID in any way except locally and temporarily.  They are strictly delaying tactics.  Local herd immunity - if that is even possible with COVID - produced by a combination of vaccination, natural immunity, recovered COVID cases, and whatever prophylactic treatments are effective is the only way to enduringly eliminate a disease that has spread to such an extent.  I have mocked China for their heavy-handed reaction to COVID, but as extreme as it was that response was too little too late to prevent COVID escape ... assuming for the moment that they were actually intending to extinguish it.

If this is true, how do you explain the staggering difference in per capita infection, serious complications, and death between the USA and Australia/NZ?  And the long periods of zero Covid? The problem here is that you’re ignoring the actual figures to declare that the rest of the world is on its way to becoming like the US. There is absolutely no way to explain why the lockdowns resulted in no infection despite fully open economies if they are not in fact effective at stopping Covid. And their having worked for 12 months successfully when Covid took half that time to ravage the US.

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You're right, the relative severity of COVID does play a huge role in to how accepting people are of the response.  That is as it should be, I think.

But let's play this out for a second.  Exactly what "science on COVID" do you claim that I don't believe?  Please note I'm not talking about Bogie, or some other strawman.

First, you didn’t answer the question. What’s an acceptable death or illness rate to justify measures that are effective to stop the disease? 

My own personal answer is, and this goes to your question about why granny can die of the flu-  one that doesn’t overwhelm hospital capacity, and that is comparable to seasonal flu. We’ve made decisions as a society about how much investment in hospital infrastructure we need over a long period of time, and diseases that force us to have never much more or choose mass casualties should be candidates for emergency controls. That’s a reasonable starting place, and voters should get to decide by having a chance to replace governments responsible for the disease response.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 03:50:43 AM
Just read an e-mail from the head of Human Resources for the municipality where I work. Our town-wide infection rate is back in the red zone for the second consecutive week so, beginning on Monday and until further notice, we all have to wear masks at work.

Should be interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 06:33:10 AM
Ivermectin is now recommended for treatment of Covid-19 by Tokyo's Medical Association.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWOpFk1GGk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 07:18:52 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/27/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine#a-new-study-found-half-of-covid-patients-had-lingering-symptoms-one-year-later

Hmm. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 27, 2021, 07:55:02 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
Posted earlier in this thread:  https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf (https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/administrative_law/08gs_winner_essay.pdf)
Yes, as mentioned previously I read it.  And I just reread it to be sure I wasn't missing something.  Did you even briefly review it before posting it and asserting that it supported your argument? 

Assuming you did, exactly what part of that paper do you think either supports or demonstrates historical precedent for general lockdowns?  If anything, that paper argues for limits and restrictions on quarantines and lockdowns to prevent abuse ...

Quote from: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
Your analysis of the legal history of quarantines and lockdowns is simply wrong, there’s not much more to be said there and if you read the link you’ll get a short history of the expansive public health emergency powers available and their history in the USA.
Like I said, I read your link.  If you were to read it you would see that it simply does not say what you are claiming it to say.

Quote from: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
If this is true, how do you explain the staggering difference in per capita infection, serious complications, and death between the USA and Australia/NZ?  And the long periods of zero Covid? The problem here is that you’re ignoring the actual figures to declare that the rest of the world is on its way to becoming like the US. There is absolutely no way to explain why the lockdowns resulted in no infection despite fully open economies if they are not in fact effective at stopping Covid. And their having worked for 12 months successfully when Covid took half that time to ravage the US.
I have never met someone so articulate whose literacy I doubt.  I have never claimed that you can't possibly achieve local and temporary zero COVID through totalitarian control of a society.  My complaints are exactly that it takes totalitarian control of society and that the society has to be willing to lock down again and again whenever the disease inevitably escapes.  As I said, temporary and local, my friend. 

Yes, Australia can have zero COVID but only while maintaining eternal vigilance and being willing to go full gulag at a moment's notice.  The police should not be used as a permanent answer to a medical issue.

Quote from: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
First, you didn’t answer the question. What’s an acceptable death or illness rate to justify measures that are effective to stop the disease?
:rofl:
A thousand apologies.  You rarely answer direct questions, so I had no idea that was expected.  I'm not nearly smart enough to think I have a fair answer. 

I note that you have ceded the emotional "granny" argument as you are totally willing to decide when it is okay for other people to die.  I guess it is okay when you do it.

Quote from: De Selby on August 27, 2021, 02:31:26 AM
My own personal answer is, and this goes to your question about why granny can die of the flu-  one that doesn’t overwhelm hospital capacity, and that is comparable to seasonal flu. We’ve made decisions as a society about how much investment in hospital infrastructure we need over a long period of time, and diseases that force us to have never much more or choose mass casualties should be candidates for emergency controls. That’s a reasonable starting place, and voters should get to decide by having a chance to replace governments responsible for the disease response.
Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years.  When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved?  And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?

Further, do you foresee maintaining zero COVID even once everyone in Australia has been given the opportunity to receive COVID vaccination?  At that point hospitals will be unlikely to be overwhelmed and therefore your justification no longer applies.

I've heard concerns that aboriginal Australians are at particular risk of COVID to explain the severity of the lockdowns but also that supplies of vaccines provided to aboriginal communities have been severely limited compared to the rest of Australia.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 27, 2021, 09:03:45 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 26, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
So who is that Ad Hominum insult aimed at exactly?
I don't know.  I have noticed a handful of rewrites of that flag trying to poke fun.  Some are mildly amusing.  That one came from Inrangetv's Instagram. 

I looked a little closer at the comments on InrangeTV's instagram posts.  I like their gun content on youtube and I realize Karl is not at all conservative, but the comments on the instagram page seem to be a bunch of leftists attacking imaginary conservatives who are all stupid rednecks.  Not worth wasting time with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 10:37:47 AM
I assume that RFK Jr. is still a Democrat, but here's an article by him that I found enlightening:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/

This is the first I've realized that there isn't one "the Pfizer" vaccine, and that the Pfizer vaccine that was just approved is not the same Pfizer vaccine that the VA administered to me in January. The legal questions about whether or not they can force adults to accept "it" are very interesting. I hope someone brings a test case lawsuit sooner rather than later.

Can someone explain to me the difference between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Pfizer Corminaty vaccine?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 11:09:36 AM
From what I gather they are (supposed to be) identical.

The approval was written to allow them to finish using up the emergency approval stock by extending the emergency approval and then transition into the approved stock as the older stock is depleted. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 27, 2021, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 10:37:47 AM
I assume that RFK Jr. is still a Democrat, but here's an article by him that I found enlightening:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/

This is the first I've realized that there isn't one "the Pfizer" vaccine, and that the Pfizer vaccine that was just approved is not the same Pfizer vaccine that the VA administered to me in January. The legal questions about whether or not they can force adults to accept "it" are very interesting. I hope someone brings a test case lawsuit sooner rather than later.

Can someone explain to me the difference between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Pfizer Corminaty vaccine?

They are the same drug.  One is produced under, and packaged with the trademarked brand name, and one was produced under the EUA, which didn't have the trademarked name.

The article you quoted says that the two are legally distinct to the FDA, not that they are actually different medications.

I suspect that article is grasping at straws, and the legal questions and assertaions it makes are not as solid as it thinks. 

FWIW Here's the FDA's press release:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

with money quote:
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Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA vaccine and is administered as a series of two doses, three weeks apart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 11:45:38 AM
Now we are getting patients demanding that we write them referrals for the monoclonal antibody treatment.  Unfortunately, they do not meet the current criteria for treatment and much wailing and gnashing of teeth occurs.  The patients want it prophylactically but do not meet any of the treatment criteria. 

The local facility offering it posts this on their webpage for patients interested in it:

Monoclonal antibody treatment is available to individuals who:

Are high risk** for developing severe COVID-19 and
Have a positive COVID-19 test and have not yet been admitted to the hospital and
Are 12 years of age or older (and at least 88 pounds)

Post-exposure preventive monoclonal antibodies are available to those who have been exposed (consistent with the CDC's close contact criteria)* and who are:

High risk** for developing severe COVID-19 and
12 years of age or older (and at least 88 pounds) and
Not fully vaccinated or vaccinated but immunocompromised

*In some cases, direct exposure isn't a criterion. If you meet the criteria above and are at high risk of exposure to an individual infected because of an occurrence of infection in other individuals in the same institutional setting (for example, nursing homes or prisons), you are eligible for post-exposure preventive monoclonal antibodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 27, 2021, 11:51:57 AM
MillCreek, can you mail me a few doses of monoclonal antibody treatment?

Thought it might be a good idea to have some in the first aid kit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 27, 2021, 11:51:57 AM
MillCreek, can you mail me a few doses of monoclonal antibody treatment?

Thought it might be a good idea to have some in the first aid kit.

You can get ivermectin at Fleet and Farm!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 27, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
Do any of y'all think that you were never exposed to it during the past 18 months?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 27, 2021, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 12:13:46 PM
You can get ivermectin at Fleet and Farm!
Already have that in my dog's heartworm medication.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 12:37:25 PM
My F&F has a sign up by the horse stuff, "Not for human consumption". 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 12:13:46 PM
You can get ivermectin at Fleet and Farm!

Which form? Apparently there are two forms, one of which is reported (by a veterinarian) to be toxic in humans. That's only one source and I don't know how credible it is, but it's a consideration.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: Ron on August 27, 2021, 12:37:25 PM
My F&F has a sign up by the horse stuff, "Not for human consumption".

The bottles of Fish Mox (amoxicillin) antibiotics say the same thing. I've treated myself and my daughter with it, and we both survived.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 27, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
The horse wormer is too concentrated.  Buy the sheep kind.  I have no idea what an appropriate dose for humans is, but you should be able to get there with the sheep formulation without poisoning yourself.  (not that I recommend it)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
If I were going that route I'd try and get a prescription from the Frontline doctors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 27, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 27, 2021, 10:37:47 AM
I assume that RFK Jr. is still a Democrat, but here's an article by him that I found enlightening:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/

This is the first I've realized that there isn't one "the Pfizer" vaccine, and that the Pfizer vaccine that was just approved is not the same Pfizer vaccine that the VA administered to me in January. The legal questions about whether or not they can force adults to accept "it" are very interesting. I hope someone brings a test case lawsuit sooner rather than later.

Can someone explain to me the difference between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Pfizer Corminaty vaccine?

Conspiracy Co-worker keeps hammering your same talking point. That's how you know there's no there there.  =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 27, 2021, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 27, 2021, 07:55:02 AM
snip/

Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years.  When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved?  And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?

/snip

The normal flu does overwhelm the hospitals around here.  A few years back, pre-covid, my appendix burst.  I was taken by ambulance to three hospitals before one would/could admit me. 

The first two were overwhelmed by the "normal" flu.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 27, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/wuhan-coronavirus-lab-leak/2021/08/27/8f20b024-0740-11ec-8c3f-3526f81b233b_story.html

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Unclassified-Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

Without cooperation from China, which is not likely going to happen, we will likely not have a definitive answer on the origin of the COVID-19 virus. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 27, 2021, 07:55:02 AM
Yes, as mentioned previously I read it.  And I just reread it to be sure I wasn't missing something.  Did you even briefly review it before posting it and asserting that it supported your argument? 

Assuming you did, exactly what part of that paper do you think either supports or demonstrates historical precedent for general lockdowns?  If anything, that paper argues for limits and restrictions on quarantines and lockdowns to prevent abuse ...
Like I said, I read your link.  If you were to read it you would see that it simply does not say what you are claiming it to say.

That there are expansive quarantine and public health emergency powers dating to the 1700s in American law? It absolutely does say that and provides cites.


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Yes, Australia can have zero COVID but only while maintaining eternal vigilance and being willing to go full gulag at a moment's notice.  The police should not be used as a permanent answer to a medical issue.

Temporary shut downs to stop the uncontrolled and rampant spread of disease are not gulags.


 
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I note that you have ceded the emotional "granny" argument as you are totally willing to decide when it is okay for other people to die.  I guess it is okay when you do it.

Hang on there - part of your justification for calling public health measures for covid was that it’s not as bad as smallpox. So where is your line?  The point of adopting the line about existing hospital infrastructure is to adopt a rule that’s at least somewhat democratic - we all got a say in how much gets put into hospitals and are okay with that over multiple elections. What’s covered by those resources is a good rule of thumb for assessing when a new disease requires extraordinary measures.

So I’ll ask again: between smallpox and covid, what’s the death rate at which youd consider a lockdown justified and not totalitarian?

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Seasonal flu does overwhelm hospitals during bad years.  When it does do you immediately call for locking down society until zero flu is achieved?  And then locking down again every time someone catches a flu, because it might spread to the point that hospitals are overwhelmed?

There’s an easy way to resolve this point. Please cite flu statistics from the most recent year in which the flu approached COVID hospitalisation and death figures.

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Further, do you foresee maintaining zero COVID even once everyone in Australia has been given the opportunity to receive COVID vaccination?  At that point hospitals will be unlikely to be overwhelmed and therefore your justification no longer applies.

I've heard concerns that aboriginal Australians are at particular risk of COVID to explain the severity of the lockdowns but also that supplies of vaccines provided to aboriginal communities have been severely limited compared to the rest of Australia.
You’re conflating a moral argument about whether people should have a chance to get vaccinated with public health questions about how much the disease would cost or impact. More vaccination including for poor and remote communities is  something I don’t think any Australian would oppose.

The point at which vaccination means that covid would actually be no more damaging than normal flu seems like a very reasonable point to start not worrying about its spread. If you quote actual flu statistics you’ll see very clearly why that isn’t so now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 28, 2021, 06:10:47 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
...
There’s an easy way to resolve this point. Please cite flu statistics from the most recent year in which the flu approached COVID hospitalisation and death figures.
...

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 07:20:05 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 28, 2021, 06:10:47 AM
[popcorn]

I can start with wiki:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_influenza_statistics_by_flu_season (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_influenza_statistics_by_flu_season)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 28, 2021, 07:29:58 AM
It's incumbent upon me to point out the obvious fact that the official numbers from the USA during this pandemic have all been BS.

Numbers from other nations should be taken with a grain of salt also.

The easily demonstrated lies from all these official sources should bring into question their statistics also.

If they will lie about some things why believe them about others? I dismiss liars in official positions just like I dismiss liars at the personal level.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 28, 2021, 07:51:55 AM
"If it saves just one life..."
 
Thing is, it doesn't really seem to have succeeded with that...
 
The handwavium "quarantine" measures were a really bad joke. I'm sure they made some people feel good, but I saw mass transit pulling into a large state mental health inpatient facility near me during the height of the kerfuffle... That is NOT a quarantine. And no, they weren't putting the personnel up in a hotel... They were taking the bus to work.
 
A report I saw a while back said that in this area over 55% of the fatal cases were from nursing homes, etc... Including hospices.
 
And now there's Delta! And we're seen anecdotal reporting about that...
 
Makes me wonder if maybe there are really two bugs - one easily transmissible "cold" bug, and the other, harder to catch, "killer" bug. Both of them grown from the same coronavirus stock...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 08:05:47 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 28, 2021, 07:29:58 AM
It's incumbent upon me to point out the obvious fact that the official numbers from the USA during this pandemic have all been BS.

Numbers from other nations should be taken with a grain of salt also.

The easily demonstrated lies from all these official sources should bring into question their statistics also.

If they will lie about some things why believe them about others? I dismiss liars in official positions just like I dismiss liars at the personal level.

How do you know they’re not lying to understate the impact of covid, so as to look more effective to their own electorates?

The covid stats are fake line just seems very hard to justify. If someone published a tape of Einstein lying about his education, I wouldn’t start thinking nuclear reactors were a media scam. But this seems to be the sort of thing that’s happening with medicine and covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 28, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 08:05:47 AM
How do you know they’re not lying to understate the impact of covid, so as to look more effective to their own electorates?

The covid stats are fake line just seems very hard to justify. If someone published a tape of Einstein lying about his education, I wouldn’t start thinking nuclear reactors were a media scam. But this seems to be the sort of thing that’s happening with medicine and covid.

There are numerous videos available, some posted in this thread, of officials describing what gets coded as a covid death. In Illinois (I posted the video) nearly all deaths that occurred due to what we call comorbidities was/is classified as a covid death. The head of the department was pretty transparent about this, massive heart attack while infected? Covid death.

The huge numbers are inflated by their own admission.

A friends father at home in hospice care with COPD took a fall. Went to the hospital, picked up Covid and died a couple weeks later. Went in the books as a Covid death.

Maybe they are separating the numbers better now but they spent the first six months or longer coding just about everything Covid.
 
The lies told to us by governments, the medical research community/pharmaceutical companies and the health care industry in general have completely destroyed what little remained of social trust for a large part of the population.

Hence the pivot to using force and threats of violence if you refuse to submit.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 28, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
Man, I gotta give these people props for always finding loopholes for themselves to opt out of their own mandates. It would be funny except that you know a bunch of the "little people" are being fined and even arrested for this kinda crap.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/28/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-spotted-being-the-latest-covid-rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me-dem-politician/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 28, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
That there are expansive quarantine and public health emergency powers dating to the 1700s in American law? It absolutely does say that and provides cites.
The article you posted referenced:
1. Historical quarantines for international arrivals
2. Individual quarantines for people who were sick or exposed to a virus
3. Proposed rules for testing people in certain cases in airports and for brief provisional quarantines up to three days and the necessary quarantine orders to extend it beyond that, plus the necessary administrative hearings and judicial reviews for all individuals subject to longer than three day provisional quarantines.

It also discussed a variety of ways in which quarantine authority was abused.

What the article did not do was show where general and universal lockdowns as used for COVID are effective, legal, or with historical precedent in the US.  Nor did it describe rules or legislation (existing or proposed) that would provide any government entity the authority to enforce either US style or (thankfully) Australian style COVID lockdowns.

Quote from: De Selby's article
The use of quarantine as an extensive public health measure should be curtailed for the following reasons: 1) quarantine has been historically used to discriminate against minorities; 2) studies demonstrate that mass quarantine is ineffective; 3) a large scale quarantine would be difficult to implement.
Quote from: De Selby's article
Another reason why extensive quarantine measures should be restricted is that quarantines are effective only in limited circumstances.61 Richard Schabas points out three highly improbable factors that must be present in order for a quarantine to work. 1)Patients must show signs of having a communicable disease that can be transmitted in its early stages. With many diseases, this simply is not possible 2) Effective quarantine requires the identification of “all, or virtually all, people incubating the infection.” 3) Compliance is necessary in order for quarantine to be effective.
Quote from: De Selby's article
Initially, quarantine may seem like a necessary tool to protect the public health in the event of pandemic illness. However, closer examination demonstrates that the use of quarantine can be full of potential missteps: discrimination, abuse of individual rights, and misapplication of valuable resources on an essentially ineffective measure. The CDC’s proposed regulations must be further developed not only to avoid these potential missteps, but also to effectively implement a quarantine.

Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
Temporary shut downs to stop the uncontrolled and rampant spread of disease are not gulags.
If you are allowed one hour of outdoor recreational time per day, required to justify your movements to police, required to stay home unless you get permission from your government well then it's a little on the gulag side of things.

Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
Hang on there - part of your justification for calling public health measures for covid was that it’s not as bad as smallpox. So where is your line?  The point of adopting the line about existing hospital infrastructure is to adopt a rule that’s at least somewhat democratic - we all got a say in how much gets put into hospitals and are okay with that over multiple elections. What’s covered by those resources is a good rule of thumb for assessing when a new disease requires extraordinary measures.

So I’ll ask again: between smallpox and covid, what’s the death rate at which youd consider a lockdown justified and not totalitarian?
I'm not sure there is a simple, clear, and universal answer.  The appropriate responses to a bad cold or COVID or smallpox or the bubonic plague or HIV or Ebola or Tommygunn's perpetually referenced "Andromeda Strain" would all vary.

Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
There’s an easy way to resolve this point. Please cite flu statistics from the most recent year in which the flu approached COVID hospitalisation and death figures.
Your previously stated red line to justify lockdowns was not "equivalent to COVID".  You said that lockdowns should commence when hospitals are overwhelmed.  So by your own stated standards a bad flu year that overwhelms hospitals justify lockdowns.

Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
You’re conflating a moral argument about whether people should have a chance to get vaccinated with public health questions about how much the disease would cost or impact.
If the two aren't closely related then the vaccines are hardly worth worrying about.

Quote from: De Selby on August 28, 2021, 06:02:17 AM
More vaccination including for poor and remote communities is  something I don’t think any Australian would oppose.
Except whomever is in charge of distributing vaccines, apparently.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2021, 09:11:16 AM
Alex Berenson, once of the New York Times, mind you, has been banned from Twitter for "covid misinformation". The misinformation being what the CDC has already admitted. But since the truth might keep people from getting poked, it had to be curated.

Basically he posted that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid or transmission, and shouldn't be mandated. This is accurate. You can still get covid, though it will likely be less severe. You can obviously still transmit it. This is scientific fact, yet "misinformation". He never said people shouldn't get it, just not to be forced to get it, nor to expect a miracle drug.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/wtaf-tweet-twitter-suspended-alex-berenson-over-should-worry-any-and-every-person-daring-to-question-the-government-on-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 29, 2021, 03:42:45 PM
 :facepalm:

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Arne Duncan
@arneduncan
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6h
Have you noticed how strikingly similar both the mindsets and actions are between the suicide bombers at Kabul’s airport, and the anti-mask and anti-vax people here?
They both blow themselves up, inflict harm on those around them, and are convinced they are fighting for freedom.
https://twitter.com/arneduncan/status/1431974283388100612?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1431974283388100612%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2021%2F08%2F29%2Fformer-obama-education-secretary-arne-duncan-compares-anti-mask-and-anti-vax-americans-to-the-kabul-suicide-bombers%2F (https://twitter.com/arneduncan/status/1431974283388100612?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1431974283388100612%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2021%2F08%2F29%2Fformer-obama-education-secretary-arne-duncan-compares-anti-mask-and-anti-vax-americans-to-the-kabul-suicide-bombers%2F)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on August 29, 2021, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 29, 2021, 09:11:16 AM
Alex Berenson, once of the New York Times, mind you, has been banned from Twitter for "covid misinformation". The misinformation being what the CDC has already admitted. But since the truth might keep people from getting poked, it had to be curated.

Basically he posted that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid or transmission, and shouldn't be mandated. This is accurate. You can still get covid, though it will likely be less severe. You can obviously still transmit it. This is scientific fact, yet "misinformation". He never said people shouldn't get it, just not to be forced to get it, nor to expect a miracle drug.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/wtaf-tweet-twitter-suspended-alex-berenson-over-should-worry-any-and-every-person-daring-to-question-the-government-on-covid/

The above really ought not be a surprise.  Vaccines are not Star Trek deflector shields.  Every year many people get a regular "flu" shot.  Every year this is "tweaked" as a best guess is made to make it effective against the supposed strain that will  prevail in the upcoming year.  Efficacy varies ... maybe 50% in some years, greater in other years.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 29, 2021, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 29, 2021, 09:11:16 AM
Alex Berenson, once of the New York Times, mind you, has been banned from Twitter for "covid misinformation". The misinformation being what the CDC has already admitted. But since the truth might keep people from getting poked, it had to be curated.

Basically he posted that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid or transmission, and shouldn't be mandated. This is accurate. You can still get covid, though it will likely be less severe. You can obviously still transmit it. This is scientific fact, yet "misinformation". He never said people shouldn't get it, just not to be forced to get it, nor to expect a miracle drug.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/wtaf-tweet-twitter-suspended-alex-berenson-over-should-worry-any-and-every-person-daring-to-question-the-government-on-covid/

https://youtu.be/1cG3PlcSiLA?t=115 (https://youtu.be/1cG3PlcSiLA?t=115)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 28, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
The article you posted referenced:
1. Historical quarantines for international arrivals
2. Individual quarantines for people who were sick or exposed to a virus
3. Proposed rules for testing people in certain cases in airports and for brief provisional quarantines up to three days and the necessary quarantine orders to extend it beyond that, plus the necessary administrative hearings and judicial reviews for all individuals subject to longer than three day provisional quarantines.

It also discussed a variety of ways in which quarantine authority was abused.

What the article did not do was show where general and universal lockdowns as used for COVID are effective, legal, or with historical precedent in the US.

The purpose of posting the article was to point out that US laws on public health and quarantine are broad and give authorities wide latitude in responding to disease. You quoted from the advocacy parts of the article that argue quarantine powers are too broad and therefore at risk of abuse. What you did not quote is the broad summary of quarantine measures and confinement of even people who are not sick that precedes that advocacy. If you would read that part, you'll see that actually the legal powers between the UK/Australia/USA when it comes to quarantine and lock down are not that different.

I'm not sure why you expected it to give medical advice about measures that are responsive to disease - for that you have real life examples where lockdowns have eliminated covid.

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I'm not sure there is a simple, clear, and universal answer.  The appropriate responses to a bad cold or COVID or smallpox or the bubonic plague or HIV or Ebola or Tommygunn's perpetually referenced "Andromeda Strain" would all vary.

If there's no clear answer, what makes you sure that these responses are not appropriate to COVID?

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Your previously stated red line to justify lockdowns was not "equivalent to COVID".  You said that lockdowns should commence when hospitals are overwhelmed.  So by your own stated standards a bad flu year that overwhelms hospitals justify lockdowns.

Okay, well please cite the flu year you're referring to that flu overwhelmed hospitals in the USA. I don't think you're correct that a "bad flu year" whatever that means overwhelms US hospitals.

I can't find anything besides the 1918 pandemic that comparable in effect to what's happening now, so if you could please refer me to an example of a "bad flu year" I'll go through it and check hospitalisation and medical impact data.

From all sources I can find, COVID hospitalisations and deaths in one year are more like 10 flu years combined.
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If the two aren't closely related then the vaccines are hardly worth worrying about.

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Except whomever is in charge of distributing vaccines, apparently.

So are these points about whether lockdowns stop covid? Or whether they're justified?  For a host of reasons Aboriginal people and other disadvantaged groups have trouble accessing healthcare and that includes vaccines. Does that mean the COVID response as a whole is ineffective? Or is it a moral point, meant to show that the US healthcare is superior because native americans, poor people, and the 40 plus million people with no health insurance have superior access to healthcare?

Probably not that last point, as that would be laughably false - it's easy to concede that Aboriginal Australians face barriers to healthcare and point out that Americans of all backgrounds but especially Native Americans are far worse off on every measure, not just COVID care.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 29, 2021, 09:33:14 PM
From interaction with some low-information folks around my urban area...
 
They mostly just get news and info from network news, and the local media outlets.
 
If you are exposed to it, you're going to catch it.
 
If you catch it, you are gonna DIE!
 
And it is going to hurt the whole time.
 
Doesn't matter if you are Eight or Eighty...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: makattak on August 29, 2021, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: Bogie on August 29, 2021, 09:33:14 PM
From interaction with some low-information folks around my urban area...
 
They mostly just get news and info from network news, and the local media outlets.
 
If you are exposed to it, you're going to catch it.
 
If you catch it, you are gonna DIE!
 
And it is going to hurt the whole time.
 
Doesn't matter if you are Eight or Eighty...

Several 30-ish (aged) friends of ours were absolutely convinced that if they caught this disease, it would kill them.

Locked themselves in their home for over a year. (And now think the people that don't wear masks OUTSIDE are the crazy people.)

They also put on a bunch of weight during the lockdown. The lockdowns have been a spectacular success.... at making the general population less healthy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 29, 2021, 10:33:30 PM
I'm sure I've said this before but we had several people in town get it last November. Three of them went to the hospital. They were all fat. One was over 80. His wife got it and it was a cold for a few days.

My dad had one friend die middle of last year. Over 80, stage 4 cancer and doing treatments. He got it from somewhere but my dad went off on the it's going to kill everyone. He's a JFK dem so I cut him some slack at his age. He is very smart but his thought process just sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 30, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
According to the Really Smart People, we barely avoided Captain Trips by wearing face masks. And if we keep doing that, we'll never get sick again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2021, 08:04:13 AM
Quote from: Bogie on August 30, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
According to the Really Smart People, we barely avoided Captain Trips by wearing face masks. And if we keep doing that, we'll never get sick again.
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.

The vast majority of recent studies confirm that observation or are inclusive.

There are a couple? of studies that claim masks work, the fearful and gullible cling to them with a death grip ignoring nearly a century of data. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 30, 2021, 08:31:36 AM
Quote from: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
The purpose of posting the article was to point out that US laws on public health and quarantine are broad and give authorities wide latitude in responding to disease. You quoted from the advocacy parts of the article that argue quarantine powers are too broad and therefore at risk of abuse. What you did not quote is the broad summary of quarantine measures and confinement of even people who are not sick that precedes that advocacy. If you would read that part, you'll see that actually the legal powers between the UK/Australia/USA when it comes to quarantine and lock down are not that different.
I have read the whole thing several times, De Selby.  I'm not convinced you read it once.

Again, the actual quarantine abilities referenced in that article do not demonstrate or even hint at the authority to do anything like Australian-style lockdowns.  Pointing out that they locked someone with TB up or used to make ships stay in quarantine prior to disembarking or have the authority to issue temporary 3 day individual quarantines subject to review does not automatically extrapolate to: "CLOSE BUSINESSES, ORDER PEOPLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES, FINE PEOPLE WHO GO OUTSIDE, ARREST PEOPLE WHO EVEN TALK ABOUT PEACEABLY ASSEMBLING!"

Of course, in the US we would have to add "BUT RIOTS ARE PROBABLY OKAY AS LONG AS THE RIOTERS ARE SUFFICIENTLY WOKE."

Quote from: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
I'm not sure why you expected it to give medical advice about measures that are responsive to disease - for that you have real life examples where lockdowns have eliminated covid.
Dude, we are right back around to where we started.  I know that a totalitarian regime without US-style guarantees of civil rights or due process can lock their country down to the point of temporarily excluding COVID (until it gets in again and then they have to lock down again).  I'm saying that I don't like totalitarian regimes with the power to do stuff like that.  Such a system gives you the warm fuzzies.  Great.  I'm very glad you have been able to emigrate to a country whose outlook on civil rights reflects your own and hope you are able to receive citizenship there.

Quote from: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
Okay, well please cite the flu year you're referring to that flu overwhelmed hospitals in the USA. I don't think you're correct that a "bad flu year" whatever that means overwhelms US hospitals.
If you believe the hospitals, 2017-2018 is nice and recent, but there have certainly been worse years than that.
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

Quote from: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
I can't find anything besides the 1918 pandemic that comparable in effect to what's happening now, so if you could please refer me to an example of a "bad flu year" I'll go through it and check hospitalisation and medical impact data.
I've never claimed that bad flu years are comparable to COVID.  COVID is worse, no doubt.  The point is that you set your personal bar for Australia-style universal and repeated lockdowns and settling for nothing less than the local elimination of a given disease at "overwhelms hospital capacity".  Based on your own words a bad flu season should result in total lockdowns.  Now you're backpedaling and saying "oh, oh, but that's not as bad as COVID".

Quote from: De Selby on August 29, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
So are these points about whether lockdowns stop covid? Or whether they're justified? 
I was trying to steelman your position and give it all the benefit of the doubt possible.  The impact on the aboriginal community was the very best argument I had seen in favor of the Australia lockdowns, albeit one you had not brought up.  If there is a real risk that COVID could wipe out, or nearly wipe out an entire community because of that community's inherent lack of developed immunity to then I'd certainly understand the drive to protect that community - if still not necessarily agreeing with the morality of imprisoning a people to protect them. 

If it were in fact the case that Australia was locking down generally to protect the aboriginal community then I would expect them to be at the tip of the spear when it comes to vaccine distribution.  You know, like how the elderly were given the first crack at getting the vaccine when quantities were low.  The fact that they are the least COVID vaccinated group in Australia, and that the vaccines assigned to aboriginal communities are meted out so sparingly gives lie to that argument.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 30, 2021, 08:04:13 AM
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.


This is not a true statement.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2021, 09:14:33 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 30, 2021, 08:04:13 AM
For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.

The vast majority of recent studies confirm that observation or are inclusive.

There are a couple? of studies that claim masks work, the fearful and gullible cling to them with a death grip ignoring nearly a century of data.
Aren't most of the "masks work" studies looking at the more robust masks that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals that are designs for the purpose?  They are certainly not referring to bandanas pulled over the face or even the flimsy paper masks people get.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2021, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
This is not a true statement.

Even Fauci is on record early on telling the press that there is no reason the public should be masking up. There were plenty of others and still are that point to the science.

During this pandemic time there have been some studies that support your position, no politics involved I'm sure.

Studies of the Spanish Flu and the effectiveness of masks didn't show what you claim.

Regardless, wear the mask if it makes you feel safe.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2021, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 30, 2021, 09:51:37 AM
Regardless, wear the mask if it makes you feel safe.

As I have alluded before, if they would have handled masks in a manner other than, "Mask up, or else!!!", they might have helped create a culture where people didn't feel awkward doing something like wearing a mask to the doctor's office. I have often in the past, in the waiting room surrounded by sickos while waiting for my physical, thought to myself, "Man, I would wear a mask to keep these coughing flu spreaders from giving me something if it didn't make me look like a dork."

They could have done PR that would incline people to wear masks for stuff other than covid, where the mask could be beneficial. When you threaten me, or send the Karens after me, I'll not wear a mask even if I know doing so would be beneficial. Just for spite.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 30, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 30, 2021, 08:31:36 AM

I was trying to steelman your position and give it all the benefit of the doubt possible.  The impact on the aboriginal community was the very best argument I had seen in favor of the Australia lockdowns, albeit one you had not brought up.  If there is a real risk that COVID could wipe out, or nearly wipe out an entire community because of that community's inherent lack of developed immunity to then I'd certainly understand the drive to protect that community - if still not necessarily agreeing with the morality of imprisoning a people to protect them. 


But COVID-19 is a "novel" (i.e. "new") virus, to which nobody and no population has (or had, initially) an inherent developed immunity. The way any population or community develops immunity is for people to catch the virus, and beat it. So why is the Australian aboriginal community any different that the rest of the Australian population in regaerd to COVID-19?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 30, 2021, 09:51:37 AM
Even Fauci is on record early on telling the press that there is no reason the public should be masking up. There were plenty of others and still are that point to the science.

During this pandemic time there have been some studies that support your position, no politics involved I'm sure.

Studies of the Spanish Flu and the effectiveness of masks didn't show what you claim.

Regardless, wear the mask if it makes you feel safe.




I am personally kinda meh on the mask, despite being outspoken here against misinformation.  I believe the studies that show dual  layer cloth masks will tend to stop 40%-60% of the moister droplets that carry respiratory viruses, and that compliant widespread masking during this pandemic reduces the Re of COVID 19 by 1 to 3 (ish).  Those are not outlandish statements that can be easily backed up with a wide variety of studies and real world observations.

That is, however, not what prompted my post.

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For the better part of a century the observation of scientists and health care professionals was that masks did little to nothing to stop the spread of airborn disease.

That is just untrue.  Scientists and medical professionals have known for that long that masks DO help stop the spread of airborne disease.  That's why surgical masks are a thing in surgery's. And masks are standard PPE when visiting immunocompromised patients in isolation.  And masks are given to current TB patients to wear in the community while undergoing treatment. And surgical masks are part of the available PPE for Mucous Membrane and Respiratory Protection in BSL lab protocols,  and why medical professionals that refuse the flu vaccine have to wear masks for patient care.

Because it's well known, and has been for more than 100 years, that masks, while not 100%, absolutely help slow the spread of airborne disease.

Your statement is untrue, regardless of my feelings of safety during the COVID pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 30, 2021, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 30, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
But COVID-19 is a "novel" (i.e. "new") virus, to which nobody and no population has (or had, initially) an inherent developed immunity. The way any population or community develops immunity is for people to catch the virus, and beat it. So why is the Australian aboriginal community any different that the rest of the Australian population in regaerd to COVID-19?
COVID-19 is novel, but coronaviruses are not.  It is possible that the aboriginal Australians have fewer inherent defenses against coronaviruses as a class than do other societies with a longer history of being exposed to other coronaviruses.

There is a long history of a people with lengthy historical exposure to a given type of disease (which still infects and sickens them) spreading it to a group without any historical exposure to that type of disease with disastrous results.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2021, 10:26:23 AM
I guess we needed to define the terms.

Not too many people are wearing surgical masks, using best practices, in public.

The public use and professional use shouldn't be conflated in my opinion.

The mask mandates are more of a training technique to get the public used to complying with government mandates, regardless of the logic or science. That's why Fauci did the public wearing masks flip flop IMHO.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
IMO, even the thin cloth covering can stop a percentage of the droplets spread from someone's breathing, but only a percentage.  To me it is more effective for the people that are actively sick.  Govt does their usually heavy handed approach and decides to mandate masks for everyone "for our own good". 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Ron on August 30, 2021, 10:26:23 AM
I guess we needed to define the terms.

Not too many people are wearing surgical masks, using best practices, in public.

The public use and professional use shouldn't be conflated in my opinion.

The mask mandates are more of a training technique to get the public used to complying with government mandates, regardless of the logic or science. That's why Fauci did the public wearing masks flip flop IMHO.

I think it's reasonable to assume the friends and family going into isolation rooms to visit, and the sick people being handed a box of disposable masks on discharge are a pretty solid indicator of "best practices" and use in the community at large.  Additionally there are definitely people, both before and after COVID, that are too stupid to wear a mask properly.  As we have seen for decades, there are people that are too stupid to wear pants and underwear properly and those garments are not as effective for that group as they are designed to be.


We're also moving the goalposts here a bit.  Before we go on to community wear of cloth masks during a pandemic, can we agree that scientists and medical professionals have known for more than a century that masks ere  effective at slowing the spread of airborne disease?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 30, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
IMO, even the thin cloth covering can stop a percentage of the droplets spread from someone's breathing, but only a percentage.  To me it is more effective for the people that are actively sick.  Govt does their usually heavy handed approach and decides to mandate masks for everyone "for our own good".

If you believe that it stops a percentage of aerosol drops going out, why would it not stop a similar percentage of aerosol drops going in?  And if a dual layer cloth mask (which, you will recall is what was recommended for a while now, bandanas and neck gators notwithstanding) can stop some percentage of virus laden aerosol drops in both directions, wouldn't it benefit both the healthy person if both they, and the sick person were wearing one?  I think think the actual numbers show that it is more effective at stopping drops on the exhaler, but not by as much as you seem to imply.

The social and legal implications of widespread mask mandates by executive diktat or bureaucratic fiat are a separate issue from whether masking actually reduces community spread of COVID, or the more general question of masks vs. airborne disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2021, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 11:36:11 AM
If you believe that it stops a percentage of aerosol drops going out, why would it not stop a similar percentage of aerosol drops going in?  And if a dual layer cloth mask (which, you will recall is what was recommended for a while now, bandanas and neck gators notwithstanding) can stop some percentage of virus laden aerosol drops in both directions, wouldn't it benefit both the healthy person if both they, and the sick person were wearing one?  I think think the actual numbers show that it is more effective at stopping drops on the exhaler, but not by as much as you seem to imply.

The social and legal implications of widespread mask mandates by executive diktat or bureaucratic fiat are a separate issue from whether masking actually reduces community spread of COVID, or the more general question of masks vs. airborne disease.
Why?  Because it is the heavier droplets that it stops or tends to catch.  I think that is the stuff that is more likely to get spread around to those in very close proximity or survive on surfaces.  With cold and flu, I think that helps a lot.  Not sure about COVID.  Does it help more than simple social distancing?  Maybe not.  I figure the person on the other end is less likely to breath in droplets like that, but can come into contact with them.  That is why I say it is just a percentage.  The ad hoc masks certainly aren't stopping everything. 

Are microscopic aerosol droplets the primary vector for spreading COVID?  I don't know.  If you know of a link on that, I would be interested to read it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2021, 05:53:57 PM
New Zealand has a Pfizer death.

As one of the totalitarian lockdown countries, the reported total deaths for New Zealand is 26. It will be interesting to see if they end up with more vaccine deaths than covid deaths. They are apparently at 21% of the population being vaccinated. With that many more vaccinations to go, they could easily hit more than 26 vaccine deaths.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/first-death-linked-to-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reported-in-new-zealand_3971996.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2021, 07:29:09 PM
The Australian PM has stated that "covid zero" is not a sustainable program.

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However, Morrison on Aug. 23 said the current course of action was "not a sustainable way to live in this country."

"Once you get to 70% of your eligible population being vaccinated, and 80% ... the plan sets out we have to move forward," Morrison said in a video address. "Because if not at 70% and 80%, then when? Then when? This cannot go on forever, this is not a sustainable way to live in this country."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-end-covid-policy-not-sustainable
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2021, 08:35:47 PM
I'll just leave these two related stories here

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    BREAKING: Education Dept. launches civil rights investigation into whether states that have banned masks are discriminating against students with disabilities who could be at a higher risk for severe illness from Covid. https://t.co/cTBgkI9F8B

    — NBC News (@NBCNews) August 30, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/30/biden-administration-launches-civil-rights-investigations-into-five-states-that-bar-indoor-mask-mandates-in-schools/

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The ACLU represents a number of disability rights groups and parents who say that the state's ban not only hinders schools from adhering to federal disability rights law but also "illegally forces parents of children with underlying conditions to choose between their child's education and their child's health and safety."
The ACLU Sues Over South Carolina's Ban On School Mask Mandates
https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/24/1030632820/the-aclu-sues-south-carolina-over-its-school-mask-ban
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 31, 2021, 08:29:45 AM
I actually saw someone wearing an N95 mask a couple of days ago, tight enough to actually seal around the perimeter.
 
Except...
 
He had about a week or two's beard growth.
 
And the damn thing was one with a vent. Meaning exhalations are NOT filtered and may even gain momentum directionally.
 
Handwavium.
 
Also known in the meetings where the CSO would personally vet research, and he was ruthless, as: "And here is where the magic happens?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 31, 2021, 08:31:14 AM
Oh yeah - I keep a package of the China Fright magical masks behind the counter, for the rare instances where a customer requests a free mask.
 
One did yesterday. And put it in his pocket.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2021, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: WLJ on August 30, 2021, 08:35:47 PM
I'll just leave these two related stories here
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/30/biden-administration-launches-civil-rights-investigations-into-five-states-that-bar-indoor-mask-mandates-in-schools/
The ACLU Sues Over South Carolina's Ban On School Mask Mandates
https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/24/1030632820/the-aclu-sues-south-carolina-over-its-school-mask-ban
I must have missed where some schools had banned masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2021, 09:02:22 AM
Ahh, the old mask defense.
Whole lot of wrongs in this story.

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A liquor store security guard was acting in self defense when he shot a customer three times because the customer was “putting other’s lives at risk by not wearing a [COVID] mask,” the guard’s private defense attorney said during a bond court hearing Wednesday.

The argument did not sway cook County Judge Mary Marubio.

“The victim fled the store, fell outside, followed by the defendant [who], according to the surveillance video, shot a second time. The defendant then paces back and forth and shot a third time,” Marubio said before ordering 42-year-old Chester Holmes held without bail.
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Holmes, who is barred from possessing a weapon because he is a four-time convicted felon and registered child sex offender, was working as an armed security guard at the store

Security guard who shot man 3 times acted in self defense because the victim wasn’t wearing a COVID mask, lawyer says
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2021, 09:33:56 AM
It's Chicago.

He'll get off scot free at trial.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2021, 09:41:49 AM
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Chicago cops heard the gunfire and responded quickly enough to see Holmes running away, according to Auguste. He ditched his gun and security vest along the way and later told arresting officers where they could find them, Auguste said. Holmes also allegedly admitted to shooting the victim.


The judge at least is not buying the self defense claim. 

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“The victim fled the store, fell outside, followed by the defendant [who], according to the surveillance video, shot a second time. The defendant then paces back and forth and shot a third time,” Marubio said before ordering 42-year-old Chester Holmes held without bail.
Yeah, that would not work for self defense in most states.  Also doesn't help that he is a convicted felon who shouldn't have a gun in the first place.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 31, 2021, 10:56:24 AM
^^^How did the employer of the armed security guard miss that?  It does not look good to hire a felon who cannot possess a gun and then give them a gun. Prepare for the big civil lawsuit against them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2021, 11:07:17 AM
From the article:

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Holmes, who is barred from possessing a weapon because he is a four-time convicted felon and registered child sex offender, was working as an armed security guard at the store on the 6000 block of South Racine when a 28-year-old man walked in without a COVID mask
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 Holmes was convicted of sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl and sexually abusing a 15-year-old girl in 2003. He has also served two prison terms for failing to follow sex offender registration requirements


That's quite the background check fail for your armed security guard.

His lawyer seems pretty optimistic though:

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“This is obviously going to be a self-defense case,” Friedman said after hearing the allegations. He called the circumstances “basically, a customer who’s unruly, who wants to put other lives at risk,” by not wearing a COVID mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 31, 2021, 10:56:24 AM
^^^How did the employer of the armed security guard miss that?  It does not look good to hire a felon who cannot possess a gun and then give them a gun. Prepare for the big civil lawsuit against them.

Yeah, that.

Also, I think his lawyer is on drugs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 31, 2021, 04:55:46 PM
An article filled with a lot of links regarding immunity from Covid after previous infection.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/covid-19-natural-immunity-compared-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 31, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: dogmush on August 30, 2021, 11:26:13 AM
I think it's reasonable to assume the friends and family going into isolation rooms to visit, and the sick people being handed a box of disposable masks on discharge are a pretty solid indicator of "best practices" and use in the community at large.  Additionally there are definitely people, both before and after COVID, that are too stupid to wear a mask properly. 

Mostly, with the worst disease to EVER hit humanity (just watch the news...), they are to make people feel better and feel like they are Doing Something.
 
If some SOB is actually sick, and dons his vented N95 mask to go shopping for an ESSENTIAL, by golly, spark plug, just how should I feel about it?
 
If you're scared, stay home.
 
If you're sick, stay home twice.
 
If you still think it is so much of an issue that you have to get into someone's face over it, why ain't you home?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 01, 2021, 06:52:07 PM
More fuel for the mask fire using real-world use in Bangladesh using a randomized controlled trial:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/massive-randomized-study-is-proof-that-surgical-masks-limit-coronavirus-spread-authors-say/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3twCQaGP7gChQxnBpTsNxvB_SfUElBqudu22YeiHuVUYW1pU6cI_orAIU#Echobox=1630514565

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

https://www.poverty-action.org/study/impact-mask-distribution-and-promotion-mask-uptake-and-covid-19-bangladesh
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 01, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
Did that include snarky bastards wearing vented N95 masks getting in folks' faces?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 01, 2021, 08:12:45 PM
That's not exactly the best way to handle the situation:

https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2021, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on September 01, 2021, 08:12:45 PM
That's not exactly the best way to handle the situation:

https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html

Covered back in 5865
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 01, 2021, 08:49:10 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on September 01, 2021, 08:12:45 PM
That's not exactly the best way to handle the situation:

https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html

How does a two-time felon get a license to work as armed security?

Oh, wait! It's Chicago ... and the article didn't say he had a license to work as armed security.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 01, 2021, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Bogie on September 01, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
Did that include snarky bastards wearing vented N95 masks getting in folks' faces?

I thought you were planning on being shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 01, 2021, 09:19:13 PM
Getting shot is a serious possibility... I've had youts walk in the door, look around, see too many/wrong type of people, and just turn around and walk back to their vehicle. Usually backed in...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 02, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Pfizer is fast tracking a treatment, two pills a day, for those who have been vaccinated and still get sick from Covid-19.

It doesn't replace the vaccine but is designed for those who are already vaccinated and still get infected with Covid-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on September 02, 2021, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 02, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Pfizer is fast tracking a treatment, two pills a day, for those who have been vaccinated and still get sick from Covid-19.

It doesn't replace the vaccine but is designed for those who are already vaccinated and still get infected with Covid-19.

Are we to expect their pills will work any better than their vaccine?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on September 02, 2021, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on September 02, 2021, 10:40:36 AM
Are we to expect their pills will work any better than their vaccine?

Every vaccine seems to have its limits .....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 02, 2021, 10:49:33 AM
Do ya think that there MAY be a reason why there hasn't been a vaccine for the common cold until now? I wonder what we're going to learn, science-wise, from this massive experiment...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TommyGunn on September 02, 2021, 10:52:33 AM
The "common cold"   isn't just one virus, for starters ...  .......
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 02, 2021, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 02, 2021, 10:49:33 AM
Do ya think that there MAY be a reason why there hasn't been a vaccine for the common cold until now? I wonder what we're going to learn, science-wise, from this massive experiment...

Not much so far. Just wait for the fan and the pile of manure to align...

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 02, 2021, 11:15:33 AM
It isn't just one virus. And coronaviruses are part of that mix...
 
They're just new, different, and just like always, when a sick geezer gets a bad cold, they go downhill fast.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 02, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
Well we're about out of sick geezers for the year, so we can concentrate on the younguns that are going downhill fast.  That's handy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 02, 2021, 02:25:23 PM
Breakthrough COVID-19 cases are rising, and experts are trying to figure out exactly what that means
https://www.columbian.com/news/2021/aug/30/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-are-rising-and-experts-are-trying-to-figure-out-exactly-what-that-means/

I guess this is already being discussed.  It seems to me that vaccines work by provoking an immune response in the body.  If someone's immune system is poor or compromised, the vaccine won't work so well.

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“My lungs are clear, and I’m able to breathe easily, so I feel protected since I’ve been vaccinated,” the 68-year-old lawmaker said Thursday. “The vaccine only protects you so you don’t end up on a ventilator or dead.”
It would be nice to have a way to find out if you are naturally in the percentage of people who might get hospitalized since most people don't end up on a ventilator. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on September 02, 2021, 04:18:02 PM
I bet these same people cheered the dogs getting shot.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/02/australias-next-authoritarian-move-is-so-insane-that-it-would-make-orwell-blush-n437161
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 02, 2021, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on September 02, 2021, 04:18:02 PM
I bet these same people cheered the dogs getting shot.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/02/australias-next-authoritarian-move-is-so-insane-that-it-would-make-orwell-blush-n437161
I realize that is for people who tested positive, but that is some serious mess.  I predict it won't be long before the quarantine camps open.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 02, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on September 02, 2021, 04:18:02 PM
I bet these same people cheered the dogs getting shot.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/09/02/australias-next-authoritarian-move-is-so-insane-that-it-would-make-orwell-blush-n437161


BUT ITS NOT TYRANNY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on September 02, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
There's fringe theories out there that the vaccines are causing amplification of the virus in at least a small percentage of people, either leading to vaccine failure or causing them to be asymptomatic but shed huge/amplified amounts of the virus or become Typhoid-mary-like permacarriers, and that this is actually what's driving the summer outbreaks, which is being blamed on the delta variant. It also would account for the push to make everyone get vaccinated, because if everyone is vaccinated then it becomes harder to identify any such problem with the vaccine, because there's no control group left. And it also explains the sudden and basically unexplained reversion to asking vaccinated people to wear masks again. The problem with the theory is that outbreaks still seem to be hitting unvaccinated people heavily. Although the CDC's incompetence in reporting any intelligible numbers, or tracking the effectiveness of the vaccines in any way that would answer people's concerns doesn't help with disproving these theories.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 02, 2021, 09:09:49 PM
Of course, if it is a nasty summer cold (I bet people aren't getting those this year...) that happens to be coded enough to mimic the testing?
 
I wonder how close Covid-19abcdefghijkchefboyardee is to the covids we are used to - I'm gonna guess VERY damn close.
 
Oh, and remember the SARS scare a few  years ago? That's still out there. Only not so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2021, 09:33:19 PM
The German government is forbidding employers from asking employees if they have been vaccinated. That may change for some "high risk" businesses, but for them proof will be vaccination, negative covid test, or proof of recovery from covid.

I still haven't seen any allowances for natural immunity in our country. We are one of the most backward, science denying countries in the world on this right now.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/german-employers-not-allowed-to-request-workers-vaccination-status-labor-minister_3980684.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 03, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
^^^I am always interested to see how other First World countries are approaching this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 03, 2021, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: zahc on September 02, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
There's fringe theories out there that the vaccines are causing amplification of the virus in at least a small percentage of people, either leading to vaccine failure or causing them to be asymptomatic but shed huge/amplified amounts of the virus or become Typhoid-mary-like permacarriers, and that this is actually what's driving the summer outbreaks, which is being blamed on the delta variant. It also would account for the push to make everyone get vaccinated, because if everyone is vaccinated then it becomes harder to identify any such problem with the vaccine, because there's no control group left. And it also explains the sudden and basically unexplained reversion to asking vaccinated people to wear masks again. The problem with the theory is that outbreaks still seem to be hitting unvaccinated people heavily. Although the CDC's incompetence in reporting any intelligible numbers, or tracking the effectiveness of the vaccines in any way that would answer people's concerns doesn't help with disproving these theories.

It is not a "fringe theory".

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 03, 2021, 10:40:08 PM
It is if mass media says it is fringe...
 
Anyone notice all the folks on the cruise ships and Navy ships who didn't catch it and die... DIE!!!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 03, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
Yeah, I sprained my eyeballs trying to stop them from rolling when I read that blatant nonsense.

Reading this stuff is bad for one's cognitive and emotional health.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on September 04, 2021, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on September 03, 2021, 10:24:10 PM
It is not a "fringe theory".

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

The paper you linked doesn't substantiate the theory in any way. The conclusion of the paper is just "delta=super contagious". They only found high viral loads in the breakthrough cases but that could just mean delta is bad which we already knew. They didn't seem to even test any unvaccinated people to see if they were any differences because of the vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 04, 2021, 10:55:27 AM
The largest county in Washington, King County, is now maintaining a dashboard showing COVID outcomes by vaccination status:

https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination-outcomes.aspx
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 05, 2021, 09:15:12 AM
Rolling Stone claimed that an Oklahoma hospital was overwhelmed by patients overdosing on the "horse dewormer" Ivermectin.* The big MSM outlets picked it up without "fact checking". The hospital called them out. Note the image of "gunshot victims" waiting in line to be seen. Also note what they are wearing, even though it is apparently sweltering in OK right now. As usual though, the story spread like wildfire, and the correction is practically hidden. This will end up being a "fact" in historical documentation.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/05/no-one-thought-to-fact-check-rolling-stone-rachel-maddow-busted-pushing-fake-story-about-ok-hospitals-overwhelmed-with-horse-dewormer-ods/


* It appears that this "horse dewormer" has been used by billions of humans. Likely more human use than horse use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 05, 2021, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 05, 2021, 09:15:12 AM
Rolling Stone claimed that an Oklahoma hospital was overwhelmed by patients overdosing on the "horse dewormer" Ivermectin.* The big MSM outlets picked it up without "fact checking". The hospital called them out. Note the image of "gunshot victims" waiting in line to be seen. Also note what they are wearing, even though it is apparently sweltering in OK right now. As usual though, the story spread like wildfire, and the correction is practically hidden. This will end up being a "fact" in historical documentation.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/05/no-one-thought-to-fact-check-rolling-stone-rachel-maddow-busted-pushing-fake-story-about-ok-hospitals-overwhelmed-with-horse-dewormer-ods/


* It appears that this "horse dewormer" has been used by billions of humans. Likely more human use than horse use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

Well it just HAD to be true those rubes in flyover country are just idiots, right?

Also this story is debunked but you will see it repeated thousands of times by fact by the same idiots who will claim anything you say isn’t true.

There is no reasoning with shitlibs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
Gee, this doesn't at all sound like something a prison warden would say:

Quote
From Monday, fully vaccinated residents in NSW will be granted some additional freedoms, such as one extra hour of outdoor exercises.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/one-stop-shop-vaccine-passport-and-check-in-app-for-nsw_3984554.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 07, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
This morning, one of our patients told us he was the manager of the local Coastal Farm and Ranch, which has 19 locations in the PNW.  He said that ivermectin now has prolonged shipping times in the supply chain, and all of the stores now have to keep it behind the counter since it was being shoplifted frequently.  Interesting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 07, 2021, 01:26:52 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 07, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
Gee, this doesn't at all sound like something a prison warden would say:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/one-stop-shop-vaccine-passport-and-check-in-app-for-nsw_3984554.html

They are expanding liberty Ben, a more inclusive freedom  =D

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 07, 2021, 01:29:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 07, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
This morning, one of our patients told us he was the manager of the local Coastal Farm and Ranch, which has 19 locations in the PNW.  He said that ivermectin now has prolonged shipping times in the supply chain, and all of the stores now have to keep it behind the counter since it was being shoplifted frequently.  Interesting.

If somebody is thinking about going that route I would check out options with this group before using the off the shelf veterinary stuff.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 07, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
DeSelby will be checking in from Camp Happy Friends to give us an update on all the new liberties that the Aussies can look forward to enjoying.

He will only have 15 minutes to chat with us though because his allowance on the community computer takes in mind that "too much freedom is licentiousness", so 15 minutes.

Hopefully, he'll be back home soon if he works hard enough. He's been told "work sets you free" so he is buckling down in his position of official camp resident representative of the government, working hard.

 :laugh:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 07, 2021, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Ron on September 07, 2021, 01:29:59 PM
If somebody is thinking about going that route I would check out options with this group before using the off the shelf veterinary stuff.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Indeed, If you want to try Ivermectin, getting a properly formulated Human anti-parasitic is better than horse (or sheep) dewormer.


ETA: That sounded snarkier than I meant it to.  I am not hating on folks that want to try Ivermectin.  Dosed properly it's unlikely to hurt you , and may help you get over COVID.  I might hate a little on folks that think veterinary medicines are interchangeable with human medicines just based on active ingredients though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 07, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
Are any Dem governors signing emergency orders banning Ivermectin yet like they did HCQ?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 07, 2021, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Boomhauer on September 07, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
Are any Dem governors signing emergency orders banning Ivermectin yet like they did HCQ?

But a judge did overturn the order to give ivermectin to a patient in the hospital:  https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/forced-use-of-horse-dewormer-on-covid-patient-overturned-by-ohio-judge/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on September 07, 2021, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 07, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
This morning, one of our patients told us he was the manager of the local Coastal Farm and Ranch, which has 19 locations in the PNW.  He said that ivermectin now has prolonged shipping times in the supply chain, and all of the stores now have to keep it behind the counter since it was being shoplifted frequently.  Interesting.

Are your er's over run with people that ODed on ivermectin and your gunshot victims waiting in the parking lot wearing their winter coats like happened in Oklahoma last week?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 07, 2021, 03:22:54 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/rutgers-bars-unvaccinated-student-from-attending-virtual-classes

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 07, 2021, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 07, 2021, 02:40:52 PM
But a judge did overturn the order to give ivermectin to a patient in the hospital:  https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/forced-use-of-horse-dewormer-on-covid-patient-overturned-by-ohio-judge/

In my continuing Quixoteian saga of calling out disinformation on both sides, that headline is a lie.  Horse dewormer was not prescribed, nor was it administered to Mr. Smith.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 07, 2021, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 07, 2021, 03:30:57 PM
In my continuing Quixoteian saga of calling out disinformation on both sides, that headline is a lie.  Horse dewormer was not prescribed, nor was it administered to Mr. Smith.

IMO, anytime the term "horse dewormer" is used in a headline, the article is propaganda and not worth reading.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 07, 2021, 03:52:57 PM
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-starts-dosing-patients-oral-covid-19-drug-trial-2021-09-01/
Pfizer, Merck launch new trials of oral COVID-19 drugs

Anyone know much about this.  Curious if any of these are similar to existing drugs. 

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Merck said in June that the U.S. government agreed to pay about $1.2 billion for 1.7 million courses of molnupiravir, if it is proven to work and authorized by regulators. The company said it expected to file for U.S. emergency use authorization of molnupiravir in the second half of 2021 at the earliest.

Pfizer said in July if the PF-07321332 trial was successful, it would file for a potential emergency use authorization in the fourth quarter.
Why would the US Govt buy a bunch of doses? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: TechMan on September 07, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
Hmmm...https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 07, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10

Joe Rogan on his covid experience and taking ivermectin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 07, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Immune System Criticized As Anti-Science
https://babylonbee.com/news/immune-system-criticized-as-anti-science

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9423-1.jpg)

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Growsky continued, “How can we expect the human body to keep track of every microbe it’s ever killed, and know how to kill it again quickly if it ever returns? It is as nonsensical as it sounds.”

The CDC no longer recommends worrying about your physical fitness level, eating a well-balanced diet, or taking vitamins as these are only important if you trust your immune system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2021, 05:01:19 AM
Someone in the MSM will be along shortly fact checking that
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2021, 05:03:26 AM
Oh and the flu says hi

Health officials warn of dangerous flu season
https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/08/health-officials-warn-dangerous-flu-season/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 08, 2021, 09:35:24 AM
Quote from: WLJ on September 08, 2021, 05:03:26 AM
Oh and the flu says hi

Health officials warn of dangerous flu season
https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/08/health-officials-warn-dangerous-flu-season/
Nice to know the traditional annual medical warnings are still around.  Makes one think we might get back to normal one day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 08, 2021, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from: TechMan on September 07, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
Hmmm...https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/)

I see a number of people talking about this that it shows Fauci lied to Congress.  I doubt anything will come of it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2021, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 08, 2021, 09:36:20 AM
I see a number of people talking about this that it shows Fauci lied to Congress.  I doubt anything will come of it.

Such a pessimist. I'm sure Congress will do the right thing, and apologize for asking Fauci questions he didn't want to answer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2021, 10:07:53 AM
So on that Oklahoma fake news about Ivermectin ODs making gunshot victims wait in line? An actual reporter asked the Sheriff in the county in question about it. He said they have had exactly one gunshot victim all year this year. Getting LE stats might have been one of the first things Rolling Stone might have wanted to try, if they were journalismers.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/09/welcome-to-the-world-of-post-journalism-liberal-journo-zaid-jilani-torches-mainstream-media-over-oklahoma-ivermectin-story/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 09, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
But guess what?
 
The Woke Folk STILL believe that that is what is happening.
 
It's like they pick a story, and then they stick to it. Regardless.
 
That level of willful denial is really scary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2021, 12:52:42 PM
Interesting:

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Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
·
3h
THREAD: Inconvenient Covid facts.

1) Per the CDC, of the 378K death certificates listing Covid in 2020, only 20,792 listed just Covid (as in, no comorbidities)

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/09/data-and-facts-and-stats-oh-my-covid-fact-thread-super-inconvenient-as-biden-prepares-to-prong-america-with-his-covid-plan/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 09, 2021, 01:17:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 09, 2021, 12:52:42 PM
Interesting:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/09/data-and-facts-and-stats-oh-my-covid-fact-thread-super-inconvenient-as-biden-prepares-to-prong-america-with-his-covid-plan/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

I guess it depends on what the comorbidity was as to whether listing it as a covid death is still appropriate.  E.g. a gunshot wound to a vital organ, trauma from a car accident, etc shouldn’t be a covid death, no matter how sick they were when injured.  Diabetes?  Guess that would depend on the other circumstances, and how much covid contributed to the death.  A 95 year old with prostate cancer and congestive heart failure?  Probably ok to list as a covid death if they at least had symptoms and it was likely what finished him off.

The honest number is a lot higher than 21k, but also a lot less than 378k.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 09, 2021, 01:23:59 PM
The numbers are provided by liars and the numbers are BS.

Making any decisions based on their numbers brings to mind the 'puter saying, garbage in garbage out.

Using their numbers is like reasoning forward on a problem starting with false assumptions.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on September 09, 2021, 01:17:00 PM
I guess it depends on what the comorbidity was as to whether listing it as a covid death is still appropriate.  E.g. a gunshot wound to a vital organ, trauma from a car accident, etc shouldn’t be a covid death, no matter how sick they were when injured.  Diabetes?  Guess that would depend on the other circumstances, and how much covid contributed to the death.  A 95 year old with prostate cancer and congestive heart failure?  Probably ok to list as a covid death if they at least had symptoms and it was likely what finished him off.

The honest number is a lot higher than 21k, but also a lot less than 378k.

Likely, and the CDC report does cover much of that, breaking down comorbidities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on September 09, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
Again, the fed.gov is subsidizing Covid admissions to hospitals.  First rule of economics:  If you want more of something, subsidize it.  I don't expect there is a lot of honesty in Covid patient reporting by hospitals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 09, 2021, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on September 09, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
Again, the fed.gov is subsidizing Covid admissions to hospitals.  First rule of economics:  If you want more of something, subsidize it.  I don't expect there is a lot of honesty in Covid patient reporting by hospitals.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 09, 2021, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 09, 2021, 03:55:45 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

As I've mentioned before, at least in the hospitals around here, the number of COVID patients taking up beds that could be used for more profitable surgeries and treatments (like transplants) are causing a significant loss in income vs. non pandemic years.  The hospitals would be better off financially saying they were flu or pneumonia patients and sending them home rather then claiming COVID and admitting them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 10, 2021, 07:26:54 AM
Good article about natural immunity with several links.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-isnt-anyone-talking-about-natural-immunity
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 10, 2021, 07:57:11 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 09, 2021, 01:23:59 PM

Using their numbers is like reasoning forward on a problem starting with false assumptions.

But that's only because it IS reasoning forward on the problem starting with false assumptions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 10, 2021, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 09, 2021, 04:06:05 PM
As I've mentioned before, at least in the hospitals around here, the number of COVID patients taking up beds that could be used for more profitable surgeries and treatments (like transplants) are causing a significant loss in income vs. non pandemic years.  The hospitals would be better off financially saying they were flu or pneumonia patients and sending them home rather then claiming COVID and admitting them.

From my admittedly limited experience and interactions over the years but unfortunately extensive interaction very recently, this is how I see it:

Hospitals and the whole health care system have been turned into top down ruled organizations. They no longer have the flexibility and adaptiveness of a free market system. This is a worldwide phenomena in all the western world. People like we see in the Biden administration are calling the shots and doctors on the front lines have little to no wiggle room as far as I can tell. 

The government, insurance companies, risk managers and bean counters all have more say than the doctors (and patients).

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 10, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036136246/covid-denmark-eu-restrictions?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3Myha9DetN_4rBOgFdOURsjxV-PxYMIXdhWOqoHmFEkGPVi2eJS0zqLxE

Denmark's experience with the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 10, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
Some of the "scientists" worked for those involved in the Wuhan lab.
https://news.yahoo.com/revealed-scientists-dismissed-wuhan-lab-140928767.html

And the "MU" variety may not be as troublesome as the Delta variant.
https://news.yahoo.com/mu-coronavirus-variant-shares-key-153938323.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 11, 2021, 12:40:54 AM
Viral (heh) video purports to show F-22 pilots walking out over COVID vaccine requirement:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/10/dod-and-air-force-deny-the-report-from-a-viral-video-that-f-22-pilots-have-walked-out-over-covid-19-vaccine-requirement/

... and it appears to be complete bovine scat.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 07:23:05 AM
I got a letter.
 
It says that I'm an essential employee.
 
I got to work when other people were scared to go outdoors.
 
I got to deal with people who were scared to use cash, and who wanted to yell credit card numbers at me.
 
So that they could buy an essential spark plug for their essential weedeater, so that they could manicure their essential yard.
 
My yard looks like a frickin' jungle.
 
I worked a double shift yesterday - open to close. I'm opening the store in a few minutes.
 
So that people can get essential stuff. And the shoplifters, and their masks, can try to steal.
 
It's been a long two weeks.
 
Mass transit never stopped running.
 
So the essentials can provide.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 11, 2021, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 07:23:05 AM
I got a letter.
 
It says that I'm an essential employee.
 
I got to work when other people were scared to go outdoors.
 
I got to deal with people who were scared to use cash, and who wanted to yell credit card numbers at me.
 
So that they could buy an essential spark plug for their essential weedeater, so that they could manicure their essential yard.
 
My yard looks like a frickin' jungle.
 
I worked a double shift yesterday - open to close. I'm opening the store in a few minutes.
 
So that people can get essential stuff. And the shoplifters, and their masks, can try to steal.
 
It's been a long two weeks.
 
Mass transit never stopped running.
 
So the essentials can provide.

It’s funny how returning to work is “literally killing us!” for some people but not for the essential workers who haven’t missed a day.

It’s also funny how I had to keep working after having my pay cut last year when all this started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/

Be nice to your doctor in Idaho.  He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 11, 2021, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/

Be nice to your doctor in Idaho.  He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.


Quote
Hospitals in northern Idaho are so flooded with COVID-19 patients that the state has declared an emergency, called “crisis standards of care.” It means when you show up to the emergency room, you may get treated based preferentially on who is most likely to live.

Isn't  that always how triage works?  That's why ER waits for the sniffles are so long.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 11, 2021, 01:10:28 PM

Isn't  that always how triage works?  That's why ER waits for the sniffles are so long.

It is, but civilians in the US are not used to the concept of triage for life-saving treatment such that some may not receive it.  The healthcare system usually has enough depth to avoid triage to this level, but in some areas of the country, that depth has evaporated.  There have been some reports of some patients dying while waiting for transport, or because no transfer bed was available for some distance.  Again, this has happened before, but will we see an uptick in these sort of cases due to COVID? Stay tuned.

The Washington State Hospital Association has been coordinating transfers of patients from the east side to the west side, and earlier this week, we received our first patient from Montana via Life Flight.  They had to bypass Spokane and Salt Lake City to come to Everett. We now have ICU beds set up in conference rooms but staffing the beds is the limiting factor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 11, 2021, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/

Be nice to your doctor in Idaho.  He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.

Well, the reader comments were interesting.

If I am to take the majority approach there, I insist that all you unvaccinated AND vaccinated that have not had covid need to stay at home and not leave your house, or else be shot on sight. The only people who are safe (using the vax nanny philosophy) are those of us who have naturally recovered from covid and have both the stronger immunity and the further protection of low probability of being carriers, unlike those who took the vaccine. Buncha Typhoid Marys.

This sounds sane to me and should be instituted immediately. I see no downside (for me).

Also, using the reader comment philosophy, where they keep comparing heart attacks to covid, and saying heart attacks trump covid, that means if a 30 year old healthy male is hit by a bus and brought in to a full hospital, your 75 year old grandma who was brought in for a heart attack needs to go sit out at the front of the hospital and die. There but for the grace of God and all that...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/sophies-choice-over-and-over-death-panels-are-the-new-phase-of-the-pandemic/

Be nice to your doctor in Idaho.  He or she may get to pick if you get treatment or not based on your triage score.

Did is really happen or is it just more fake news like the shooting victims who couldn't get care because covid?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 11, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 01:34:10 PM
We now have ICU beds set up in conference rooms but staffing the beds is the limiting factor.

A solid reason to get rid of staff who doesn’t want to take the vaccine of course
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 11, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
If Senator Biden (highest honorific that I know he's entitled to) would say something like, "if you haven't gotten the vaccine yet, please get it.  It's free.  If you've had COVID and recovered from it, consider getting the vaccine anyway for added protection", that's well within his "bully pulpit" rights (whether the added protection part is really true or not) and there would be no pushback.  It might even work.  This "you must comply" bullshit just makes everybody dig their heels in, and rightly so.

Why hasn't Harris deposed him yet?  She must not want the job.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 11, 2021, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on September 11, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
Why hasn't Harris deposed him yet?  She must not want the job.

She has to obey her masters too.  They’ve decided it’s not time yet.  Or they’ve decided not her. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
Question #382 not to ask your hospital's executives:
 
"So, could you tell us what you know about these buildings' air handling, filtration and purification systems?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
Did is really happen or is it just more fake news like the shooting victims who couldn't get care because covid?

Have crisis standards of care been implemented in Idaho and other places?  Yes.  Has there been wide-spread death and morbidity as a result of people being triaged out of care due to COVID?  Not that I am aware of.  I have seen some anecdotal reports here and there about one-off cases, but nothing on a large scale.

You know who is really crumbling under the strain right now are volunteer/commercial/life flight ambulance services.  They are the ones doing patient transfers from small hospitals to larger hospitals.  From what I read on my EMS/Fire forums, the small services are really struggling.  One round-trip patient transfer of 300 miles (the distance from Yakima to Seattle, for example) can tie up a single rig and crew for an entire day.  If you only have two or three rigs to begin with, you are crossing your fingers that you don't get slammed with a bunch of acute calls.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 07:22:52 PM
Have crisis standards of care been implemented in Idaho and other places?  Yes.  Has there been wide-spread death and morbidity as a result of people being triaged out of care due to COVID?  Not that I am aware of.  I have seen some anecdotal reports here and there about one-off cases, but nothing on a large scale.

You know who is really crumbling under the strain right now are volunteer/commercial/life flight ambulance services.  They are the ones doing patient transfers from small hospitals to larger hospitals.  From what I read on my EMS/Fire forums, the small services are really struggling.  One round-trip patient transfer of 300 miles (the distance from Yakima to Seattle, for example) can tie up a single rig and crew for an entire day.  If you only have two or three rigs to begin with, you are crossing your fingers that you don't get slammed with a bunch of acute calls.

So that would be a no, this exact event did not actually happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
So that would be a no, this exact event did not actually happen.

What exact event are you referring to?  The Seattle Times article did not describe an actual triage event, but rather a plan for triage at some hospitals in Idaho.  Did you read the article?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 08:36:25 PM
I just love academics and their theoretical hypothetical situations...
 
A friend of mine at the largest hospital complex in the metro area basically said "The 'Rona is on television, but it sure isn't in the hospital."

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 08:36:25 PM
I just love academics and their theoretical hypothetical situations...
 
A friend of mine at the largest hospital complex in the metro area basically said "The 'Rona is on television, but it sure isn't in the hospital."

Really? Which hospital is that?  According to this data (https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/map-icu-occupancy-at-st-louis-area-hospitals/html_b278a00d-fd57-559e-a1da-72a87d86b9df.html) I would think the 'largest hospital complex in the metro area' would have patients.  Which hospital are you referring to? I am familiar with the Barnes/Jewish and Mercy systems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 11, 2021, 09:07:03 PM
Oh, they have patients...
 
Just not to the degree that you hear folks freaking out on the news about.
 
Seriously, if the crud was all Captain Andromeda Trips, like newscasters seem to think, then why are the hospitals themselves not actual quarantine zones? You go in, you don't come out until things are over.
 
But gee, we had metro buses dropping off help at various healthcare facilities. I'll bet that we had some medical folks who were working at multiple facilities. Nosocomial infection, anyone?
 
But there's plenty of handwavium. Masks that can't even stop sanding dust. The free bottles of hand cleaner. The doof who came in my store today and asked for a free mask. Yeah, had another one of those.
 
Make sure you wear your gloves... I'm SURE that your cotton jersey gloves will be the reason why  you survive...
 
99.8%.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 08:29:52 PM
What exact event are you referring to?  The Seattle Times article did not describe an actual triage event, but rather a plan for triage at some hospitals in Idaho.  Did you read the article?

Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 09:52:27 PM
Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.

So that would be a no, you didn't read the article.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 12, 2021, 06:23:07 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 11, 2021, 09:52:27 PM
Let me know when they are actually doing battlefield triage and not just talking about it to gin up more fear and clicks.

And then you'll............

What's the plan after waiting until we have actual battlefield triage in hospitals?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 12, 2021, 07:33:48 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 12, 2021, 06:23:07 AM
And then you'll............

What's the plan after waiting until we have actual battlefield triage in hospitals?
Two weeks to flatten the curve of course.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 12, 2021, 07:37:51 AM
Maybe if we force the whole population to get injected with an experimental "gene therapy" "vaccine" that hasn't gone through the standard long term vetting for safety that will help?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 12, 2021, 07:53:28 AM
It's all about the handwavium.
 
You have to wear a mask to show that you care about wearing a mask to show that you care about showing that you care about wearing a mask...
 
The mask shows that you are Doing Something, and that you're On Board with Doing Something.
 
It may be ineffective to the point of being detrimental, but you are Showing That You Care about Being On Board and Doing Something. That is very important.
 
Under 0.2% - The majority, it seems, were geriatric patients in nursing homes, etc., with many of them already with "comorbidities" such as "terminally ill" and so forth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 12, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
Let me guess, it’s still not tyranny?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/australian-drug-regulator-bans-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-after-sharp-rise-in-prescriptions

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2021, 04:52:04 PM
Consistent with Ben's remarks on heart attacks and COVID, in terms of priority:

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/alabama-man-dies-after-43-hospitals-with-full-icus-turned-him-away-family-urges-covid-19-vaccines/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 12, 2021, 07:30:32 PM
I wonder what percentage of the "covid victims" had DNR orders on file...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 13, 2021, 08:49:53 AM
Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge.  ;/

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

Quote
Last year, armed groups patrolled the city’s downtown core to protect against non-existent Black Lives Matter protesters.

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2021, 08:53:07 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 13, 2021, 08:49:53 AM
Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge.  ;/

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.

’You furnish the pictures, I’ll provide the war!'
-William Randolph Hearst
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 13, 2021, 08:49:53 AM
Regarding the Northern Idaho stuff, the AP is on it, and blaming Ruby Ridge.  ;/

https://www.kivitv.com/news/northern-idahos-anti-government-streak-hampers-covid-fight

One big non-covid lie in the article automatically makes the rest of it bullshit:

There were all kinds of videos showing patrolling citizens and BLM protestors comingling and friendly. The MSM just writes whatever the hell they want.

Looks like both sides are just standing around.

https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 13, 2021, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
Looks like both sides are just standing around.

https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/

https://youtu.be/bIS4C7ym5YM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 09:52:17 AM
Idaho cases spill over to Spokane: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/

This is why we received our first patient from Montana, after they had to bypass Spokane.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 13, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 09:52:17 AM
Idaho cases spill over to Spokane: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/

This is why we received our first patient from Montana, after they had to bypass Spokane.

I don't believe the Seattle Times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 11:26:41 AM
Which part?

That Idaho hospitals are sending patients into Washington State?
That Idaho has gone to crisis standards of care?
That Washington State hospitals census numbers are climbing?

All those are pretty easy to verify from sources that aren't the Seattle Times.  All they really added were the emotive adjectives.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 13, 2021, 11:29:14 AM
Quote from: MillCreek
news link, related realworld observation
Quote from: ron
all numbers/news/observations are fake, the truth is unknowable.
Quote from: Bogie
I see stupid people at work, old people die all the time.
Quote from: WLJ
snarky comment, short & sweet
Quote from: Boomhauer
Fascism!! Tyranny!! Oppression!!
Quote from: kgbsquirrel
FAKE NEWS
Quote from: ben
clickbait twitchy link
Quote from: dittohead
useless overgeneralizing comment

Is it just me or has this thread been on repeat for awhile now...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 13, 2021, 11:32:10 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on September 13, 2021, 11:29:14 AM
Is it just me or has this thread has been on repeat for awhile now...
Were those all replies to you? 
 =D :laugh:

This issue is more political than medical these days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 13, 2021, 11:32:10 AM

This issue is more political than medical these days.

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 13, 2021, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 13, 2021, 11:32:10 AM
This issue is more political than medical these days.

Bingo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 13, 2021, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
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Yeah, pretty much.

The universal availability of the vaccine to anyone who wants it was a huge win, and the fact that it has seen widespread adoption is probably a very good thing (assuming it doesn't have downstream impacts and provides some level of protection for a while).  Combined with a variety of what appear to be effective treatments, and COVID has become much less of an urgent threat.  Nationally speaking we're not at some new peak in infections or hospitalizations.  It was much worse last fall and winter.  That's true even though now we have far fewer government enforced mandates, drastically reduced obedience of what mandates are out there, and a new, super-contagious variant for each day of the week.

The big lever left to pull (and the one MillCreek keeps yanking) is the one that says: "OMG, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TREATMENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE STUPID UNVAXXED WHO ARE FILLING OUR HOSPITALS TO THE BRIM!"  That's the argument used to justify heavy-handed tactics to force compliance.  According to that line of thinking, an unvaccinated person is not merely risking their own health and life, they are murdering everyone else by reducing the availability of care.

What is generally left out of that discussion is that as the capacity shortage itself appears to be driven by politics.  As is regularly brought up, hospitals are typically designed to operate at near capacity.  When it comes to infrastructure, they can expand that capacity to some degree by opening areas that are typically kept closed, repurposing rooms, and even using tents/hospital ships in extreme cases.  But it really isn't an infrastructure issue, is it?  Even at the height of the pandemic in the US very few of the overflow beds were actually used. 

So the limitation is really a staffing issue.  More than that, it appears to be a relatively new staffing issue.  I can't say with certainty whether that issue is caused by or just exacerbated by the COVID unemployment benefits and by forcing the firing of unvaccinated medical personnel, but I'm fairly confident that if politicians were really concerned about patient outcomes and the availability of care instead pushing an agenda then they'd be making considerably different choices.  It comes across to me as the very people who are causing the problem are trying to blame someone else for it.

Doesn't help much that hospital systems are being caught discussing specifically how to be more alarmist in their reporting in order to drive vaccinations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 13, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
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Always was.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 13, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 13, 2021, 12:47:40 PM

The big lever left to pull (and the one MillCreek keeps yanking) is the one that says: "OMG, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TREATMENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE STUPID UNVAXXED WHO ARE FILLING OUR HOSPITALS TO THE BRIM!"  That's the argument used to justify heavy-handed tactics to force compliance.  According to that line of thinking, an unvaccinated person is not merely risking their own health and life, they are murdering everyone else by reducing the availability of care.

And on the political, lets not forget that when a certain Donald Trump was in office, the current Vice President stated on national TV that she would not get vaccinated "if Trump recommended it".

Absolutely there is a huge political aspect to this, from both sides. If Trump were in office now, don't tell me that the left wouldn't be the "anti-vaxxers" and much of the right wouldn't be condemning them for it.

The politicians are making everyone question everything, from "two weeks to get things under control", to, "Get vaccinated so you can live your life", to, "Get vaccinated so that you don't infect the vaccinated."

All while, as I will continue to harp on, ignoring natural immunity as part of the herd immunity numbers. The Seattle Times harps on the 60% vs 40% vaccinated numbers between WA and ID. Obviously there were more per capita cases of covid in ID, which means there is likely a higher population of naturally immune. The immunity percentages between both states could very well be similar, or ID could even have a higher immunity rate vs vaccination rate. Hard to know since no one is crunching those numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 13, 2021, 12:47:40 PM


What is generally left out of that discussion is that as the capacity shortage itself appears to be driven by politics.  As is regularly brought up, hospitals are typically designed to operate at near capacity.  When it comes to infrastructure, they can expand that capacity to some degree by opening areas that are typically kept closed, repurposing rooms, and even using tents/hospital ships in extreme cases.  But it really isn't an infrastructure issue, is it?  Even at the height of the pandemic in the US very few of the overflow beds were actually used. 

Except that that conveniently handwaves the parts of the country that are seeing a shortage in capacity.  The US is a big place, and there are definitely regions seeing lack of bed space, regardless of staffing.  The southeast is one, We saw the story of the Heart patient that couldn't find an ICU bed.  Idaho is clearly one.  Parts of the southwest.  Hospitals can reporpose areas to some extant, as we have seen, but there is a limit to how much can be repurposed.  For example, Tampa's large hospital was, a week and a half ago, at 25% of it's total capacity in COVID admits.  It's a 1000 bed hospital, and 254 of them were COVID admits.  That weekend the infectious disease building hit it's O2 limit, and the O2 system couldn't push enough volume to supply all the assisted breathing devises.  That's not a staffing issue.

Quote from: cordex on September 13, 2021, 12:47:40 PM

So the limitation is really a staffing issue.  More than that, it appears to be a relatively new staffing issue.  I can't say with certainty whether that issue is caused by or just exacerbated by the COVID unemployment benefits and by forcing the firing of unvaccinated medical personnel, but I'm fairly confident that if politicians were really concerned about patient outcomes and the availability of care instead pushing an agenda then they'd be making considerably different choices.  It comes across to me as the very people who are causing the problem are trying to blame someone else for it.


Nice false dichotomy.  You can't say it's either.  You have no idea if the staff being fired are Med-Surg nurses, ICU nurses, or transport staff.  The fact that you think unemployment has any bearing on ICU staffing is retarded.  ICU nurses make way more than unemployment pays normally, and the money being thrown around right now for travel nurses is obscene.  There is no nurse qualified in patient care sitting at home thinking they'll just rack in that sweet unemployment because it's so much money.


People's responses to the pandemic sure seem to be political though.  Pick a tribe and Ride or Die.  That's the new American way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 13, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 13, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
don't tell me that the left wouldn't be the "anti-vaxxers" and much of the right wouldn't be condemning them for it.
You don't even have to make it a 'what if' question, just look back a few years.
Quote from: https://thefederalist.com/2015/02/03/the-insane-vaccine-debate/
vaccination is not about protecting the vaccinated so much as it is about protecting others from disease-carriers. Vaccines are properly understood not on the basis of narrow self-interest but as a defense of the human species.

Fundamentally, the protection against life-threatening plague is one of the original reasons government exists. We’ve had mandatory vaccines for schoolchildren in America since before the Emancipation Proclamation. The Supreme Court has upheld that practice as constitutional for over a century, and only the political fringes believe there ought to be a debate about such matters. This is one of the few areas where government necessarily exercises power.
...
If you choose not to vaccinate, private and public institutions should be able to discriminate on that basis. Disneyland should be able to require proof of vaccination as a condition of entry, and so should public schools. You shouldn’t be compelled to vaccinate your child, but neither should the rest of us be compelled to pretend like you did.
From The Federalist!  :O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 13, 2021, 01:46:09 PM
Haven't we heard some evidence that vaccinated people have been found to carry the disease? 

I have heard the vaccination rates are climbing.  You would think that would make an impact. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 13, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 13, 2021, 01:46:09 PM
Haven't we heard some evidence that vaccinated people have been found to carry the disease? 

Yes. The peer reviewed paper may have even been linked in this thread. I can't remember everything from it, but (I'm shooting my mouth off here without the reference and using probably inaccurate language). There are two parts to immunity - I think the second, "not a carrier" parts was something called mucoid immunity or mucoid antibodies or something. The T and B cells are what protect you, the mucoid antibodies are what protect you from being a carrier.

IIRC, the paper talked about the vaccine not providing the "not a carrier" immunity the way that natural immunity does.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 13, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
Except that that conveniently handwaves the parts of the country that are seeing a shortage in capacity.  The US is a big place, and there are definitely regions seeing lack of bed space, regardless of staffing. 
Granted.  Local and regional infrastructure can certainly be overwhelmed in the short term.  From what I've seen, beds are rarely the problem.

Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
The southeast is one, We saw the story of the Heart patient that couldn't find an ICU bed. 
An ICU bed or a staffed ICU bed?

Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
Nice false dichotomy.  You can't say it's either. 
???  What false dichotomy?  I wasn't saying that the only thing causing a staffing shortage was EITHER unemployment OR firing of people who aren't vaccinated.  I was saying that while I can't say the shortages are strictly due to staff lost because of political decisions (including unemployment and firing people), those political choices are contributing to the staffing shortage. 

Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
You have no idea if the staff being fired are Med-Surg nurses, ICU nurses, or transport staff. 
Are you claiming that widespread firing of unvaccinated medical personnel will not impact critical staffing or patient outcomes?

Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
The fact that you think unemployment has any bearing on ICU staffing is retarded.  ICU nurses make way more than unemployment pays normally, and the money being thrown around right now for travel nurses is obscene.  There is no nurse qualified in patient care sitting at home thinking they'll just rack in that sweet unemployment because it's so much money.
;/  Yeah, dogmush, I'm sure I didn't consider that.  Except nursing isn't the only high-paying career that is shorthanded.  Plenty of people who could be making a lot more money by working are enjoying not working more than the extra money.  But if you think that isn't happening in the nursing field too then ... okay.  Sure.

Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
People's responses to the pandemic sure seem to be political though.  Pick a tribe and Ride or Die.  That's the new American way.
Clearly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 13, 2021, 02:13:04 PM
On schools mandating vaccines, my stance since looooong before covid was that parents should be free to not vaccinate for MMR, DPT, etc for whatever valid or imaginary reason they choose.  However they shouldn’t try to force the taxpayers to take on their Petri dish in a public school.  They should send them to a private school that doesn’t mandate vaccines or homeschool.  Public schools are germ factories as it is.  Deadly diseases for which there is an effective vaccine don’t need to be included in said germ factory.  Before the vaccine requirements for MMR and DPT especially there were kids that died needlessly every year from outbreaks, 400-500 yearly just for measles when our population was about half what is now.  Now such deaths are basically unheard of.

Now, that brings up whether covid is a deadly disease.  Or at least if it is significantly more deadly than other diseases, and if so, whether the vaccine is effective.  There is a very good argument that covid is NOT especially deadly when compared to the flu in children or even young adults.  Given that flu vaccines are not terribly effective, and have never been required for public schools, it’s hard to argue that covid vaccines, no matter how effective, should be required. 

Whether they are a good idea, or something a kid should have, should be left entirely up to the parents.  I wouldn’t mind a school recommending it, or encouraging it, but IMHO, it doesn’t rise to the level of something a school should require.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 13, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Granted.  Local and regional infrastructure can certainly be overwhelmed in the short term.  From what I've seen, beds are rarely the problem.  I can only speak for sure around here, but around here they are.  They dropped many of the minimum staffing regs or slammed NON-ICU staff into ICU's with oversite to staff every bed they had.  So Tampa's shortages seem to be beds and equipment since early(ish) summer.
An ICU bed or a staffed ICU bed?  That dude specifically, I don't know.  The article is in this thread.
 ???  What false dichotomy?  I wasn't saying that the only thing causing a staffing shortage was EITHER unemployment OR firing of people who aren't vaccinated.  I was saying that while I can't say the shortages are strictly due to staff lost because of political decisions (including unemployment and firing people), those political choices are contributing to the staffing shortage. I read that as you couldn't tell whether it was firings or unemployment causing the shortage, implying it had to be one or the other.  I see on a second read that's not what you typed.  I apologize for the misread.
Are you claiming that widespread firing of unvaccinated medical personnel will not impact critical staffing or patient outcomes?  I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings.  Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings.  Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated.  Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas.  Other areas may differ.
 ;/  Yeah, dogmush, I'm sure I didn't consider that.  Except nursing isn't the only high-paying career that is shorthanded.  Plenty of people who could be making a lot more money by working are enjoying not working more than the extra money.  But if you think that isn't happening in the nursing field too then ... okay.  Sure.  I don't think the CARE Act payment levels are effecting a nursing shortage that's been in the news for 15 years.  There hasn't been a mass exodus of nurses in the last 18 months.  You are the one making the claim, so I will leave it to you to find articles or interviews, or even tik toks of ICU nurses staying home for those sweet unemployment benis.
 Clearly.  If you are pointing back at me on this one you have the wrong guy.  I've changed or moderated my position on COVID several times just on this board. When it comes to the modern American tribes [parties] I'm trying to start the Mercutio Party (A pox on BOTH your houses!).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 13, 2021, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
When it comes to the modern American tribes [parties] I'm trying to start the Mercutio Party (A pox on BOTH your houses!).

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 03:22:44 PM
Cordex, a couple of things:

There has been a growing nursing shortage in some areas of the country for many years.  This is not a new thing.  One of the major limiting factors is not enough open slots in nursing schools, so there are not enough persons in the training pipeline.

A bed, for purposes of capacity, is a staffed bed.  So when a hospital says it has 24 med surg or ICU beds available, that means it has staffing for 24 beds.  They may physically have 50 beds in the wards, but since there is no staffing to put a patient in them, they are not counted as capacity beds.

Almost as bad as the nursing shortage for COVID, is the respiratory therapist shortage to run the ventilators, etc. for the COVID patients.  Unless you work in healthcare, the RT shortage is getting almost no attention, which I find puzzling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 13, 2021, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 03:22:44 PM
There has been a growing nursing shortage in some areas of the country for many years.  This is not a new thing.  One of the major limiting factors is not enough open slots in nursing schools, so there are not enough persons in the training pipeline.
I understand.  My point is simply that to the extent which patient outcomes are dependent on the availability of a limited resource such as trained nurses, artificially reducing the quantity of that resource is unlikely to improve the situation.  In my opinion, people championing forceful means to reduce the demand side of the equation while simultaneously enacting policies which directly reduce the supply side of the equation are not acting in good faith and clearly do not actually care about the patient outcomes which they are using as justification for their political agenda.

Quote from: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 03:22:44 PM
A bed, for purposes of capacity, is a staffed bed.  So when a hospital says it has 24 med surg or ICU beds available, that means it has staffing for 24 beds.  They may physically have 50 beds in the wards, but since there is no staffing to put a patient in them, they are not counted as capacity beds.
I'm clear.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 13, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings.  Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings.  Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated.  Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas.  Other areas may differ.
Regardless of whether you would personally consider a 5-10% cut in available medical personnel to be "widespread" can we agree that such a decrease in staffing would likely not help the situation for the specific edge cases such as locations where they are already turning away some patients requiring critical care? 

Unless they have tons of qualified personnel but just no physical beds.  Then maybe firing those folks is no big deal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
Only if it was a loss of staffing from the staff members that provide critical care, or are willing to be trained to provide critical care.

As I said, again only speaking for around here where I have actual knowledge, critical care staffing is in the upper 90%'s vaccinated.  So no, i don't think that whatever small percentage of healthcare workers actually stands firm and is fired over this is likely to affect critical care outcomes very much.

If you have knowledge of a large number of unvaccinated critical care workers that will be leaving, let me know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 13, 2021, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
Only if it was a loss of staffing from the staff members that provide critical care, or are willing to be trained to provide critical care.

As I said, again only speaking for around here where I have actual knowledge, critical care staffing is in the upper 90%'s vaccinated.  So no, i don't think that whatever small percentage of healthcare workers actually stands firm and is fired over this is likely to affect critical care outcomes very much.
=D  Whew, that's good then.

I'm old enough to remember back when we were supposed to take regional edge cases into account and realize that people were currently dying at existing staffing levels because they were being rejected from hospitals due to lack of capacity.  But if hospitals are not at risk for turning patients away because of insufficient capacity then great.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
Before the cameras arrived vs after… COVID theater. This is why we don’t trust these people
https://twitter.com/CarlHigbie/status/1437449967413649413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/E_LZH14XIAkYHFZ.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 13, 2021, 06:29:28 PM
Obviously whoever took the first picture is a racist.  Or a Trump supporter, whichever is worse.  (the facts don't matter if you sufficiently malign the reporter)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 13, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 13, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
Before the cameras arrived vs after… COVID theater. This is why we don’t trust these people
https://twitter.com/CarlHigbie/status/1437449967413649413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[img]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/E_LZH14XIAkYHFZ.jpg

And this is one of the main reasons people get mad at mask and vaccine mandates and show vaccine hesitancy or just plain don't give a *expletive deleted*it. These "leaders" constantly chastise us while incidents like this are ridiculously common. When they don't follow their own rules (when the cameras are off) they are going to drive fence sitters to the side opposite theirs. And they don't even apologize about this stuff. Instead they are outraged that they are called out and they scream "white supremacist domestic terrorist Trumpers!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 13, 2021, 07:50:06 PM
I have a lot of neighbors who are still enjoying the hell out of "working from home," etc...
 
And there are still a bunch who are scared to leave their houses. Because the news keeps telling them about the casedemic, and how it is deadly... But the only fatalities the news mentions are pretty much anecdotal...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 13, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Today is the fourth day of school for my wife, and she now has the first kid in class sick with COVID. Hmm.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 14, 2021, 08:41:44 AM
One of the pioneers in the mRNA class of vaccines is saying that natural immunity is better.

Quote
“It’s now been shown in that paper and others that the breadth of that immune response in terms of T and B cell memory populations is more diverse and more long-lasting than the breadth of immune response elicited by the spike-based vaccines alone,” Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the class of vaccines based on messenger RNA, said on Epoch TV’s “American Thought Leaders” program.


"Even if we had 100% vaccine uptake with these vaccines…we would not be able to stop the spread of the virus through the US population. We would slow it."

Federal health authorities acknowledge natural immunity exists but have continued to claim that the protection from vaccines is better, pointing to a different set of studies, including one from Kentucky published by state and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) researchers.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/natural-immunity-longer-lasting-than-protection-from-covid-19-vaccines-dr-robert-malone_3983305.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 14, 2021, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 13, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
And this is one of the main reasons people get mad at mask and vaccine mandates and show vaccine hesitancy or just plain don't give a *expletive deleted*it. These "leaders" constantly chastise us while incidents like this are ridiculously common. When they don't follow their own rules (when the cameras are off) they are going to drive fence sitters to the side opposite theirs. And they don't even apologize about this stuff. Instead they are outraged that they are called out and they scream "white supremacist domestic terrorist Trumpers!"

video

https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1437389801133645825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 14, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
My coworker's wife got the covid a month or more ago.  She spent a week in the hospital and was put on oxygen.  He said she is still using oxygen with her CPAP machine at night.  Still has trouble moving around without having to stop.  He said she is recovering, but slowly.   On the other hand, he never caught it.  They were on a road trip vacation just prior to her getting sick.

My company asked us to put our vaccination status in the personnel system.  Yes, No, rather-not-say were the choices.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 15, 2021, 12:14:21 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/landlord-says-tenants-must-get-covid-vaccine-you-dont-want-to-get-vaccinated-you-have-to-move/

This is the first I have heard of having to get vaccinated to get or keep your apartment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Kroger had a sign requiring masks.
Maybe 60-70% of people had masks on.
Saw a bunch of nurses, not one wearing a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 15, 2021, 12:14:21 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/landlord-says-tenants-must-get-covid-vaccine-you-dont-want-to-get-vaccinated-you-have-to-move/

This is the first I have heard of having to get vaccinated to get or keep your apartment.

Sounds like a landlord is about to lose his apartments in a lawsuit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 15, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
Sounds like a landlord is about to lose his apartments in a lawsuit.

Or slapped down by the government. Violating rights is reserved for the government.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2021, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 12:31:26 PM
Or slapped down by the government. Violating rights is reserved for the government.

What rights would those be again?

The landlord is not evicting people, they are declining to sign new leases with unvaccinated people.

FL Fair housing laws prevent "Refusal to rent or sell housing based on race, color, national origin, sex, handicap, familial status, or religion."  Unless the tenant is claiming a religious exemption, the landlord is within the law.

We are still the side that is against using the government to coerce private citizens into doing business with people they don't want to, right?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
Does Hippa apply here or not? I'm seriously asking
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 15, 2021, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
Does Hippa apply here or not? I'm seriously asking

It does not, says the guy who does HIPAA for a living.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 15, 2021, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
Does Hippa [sic] apply here or not?

Not really.  HIPAA has to do with secure handling of private health information by medical providers, insurance companies, and their (both groups') IT subcontractors.  The IT companies are really covered in a separate bill called (groan) HITECH, but really it just adds them under the HIPAA umbrella so it's easiest to refer to both as HIPAA.

My work sometimes falls under HITECH, and it's a pain in the ass.  Doesn't really add any security that I can see, just makes it hard to access the data I need.  We used to do just fine with non-disclosure agreements and being careful with any sensitive data.  Now, all data from some customers is considered sensitive whether it really is or not (even if the customer says it's not) and is kept on secure servers where I don't have the right tools to analyze it
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
HIPPA, HIPAA  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 15, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
HIPPA, HIPAA  :P

ETA: You like potato, and I like potatoe   :rofl:

♪ "Let's call the whole thing off" ♫  (sorry)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2021, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 15, 2021, 12:51:14 PM

We are still the side that is against using the government to coerce private citizens into doing business with people they don't want to, right?

As long as it's applied equally and fairly. So no baking the cake, and nobody with a BLM or antifa tattoo allowed in any of my rentals (if I still had some). But we know that the cake must be baked, and that a landlord would be sued by NAACP, SPLC and whoever else for refusing rental to the parties mentioned, even though nothing in the law prohibits him from doing so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2021, 01:53:33 PM
So they do it, then we do it, then they don't like something we do, so they get worse, then we get worse in a descending spiral?  (I mean, in your defense, that's clearly what does, in fact, happen)

I do my best to base my actions and responses on my principals, not other peoples actions.  I am not perfect at it, but that's the goal.   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2021, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 15, 2021, 01:53:33 PM
So they do it, then we do it, then they don't like something we do, so they get worse, then we get worse in a descending spiral?  (I mean, in your defense, that's clearly what does, in fact, happen)

I do my best to base my actions and responses on my principals, not other peoples actions.  I am not perfect at it, but that's the goal.

Understood. And yeah, in theory I'm against the spiral, but "our side", that is, the freedom and free market side, seems to always be on the losing end on these things, and sometimes I just want vengeance, even though I know I'm playing their game.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 15, 2021, 05:04:48 PM
Fascinating and long read, an interview with the guy that set Frances vaccine policy for years.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/frances-long-time-vaccine-policy-chief-covid-policy-is-completely-stupid-and-unethical
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 15, 2021, 05:18:14 PM
Gotta wonder about how the .gov wants to mandate that everyone carry around a card that a first year graphic design student could produce on the first day of class...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 15, 2021, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 15, 2021, 01:12:58 PM
It does not, says the guy who does HIPAA for a living.

Privacy Act of 1974 perhaps?  It covers stuff HIPAA doesn't, like your tax records.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2021, 07:49:19 PM
Judge denies wife's request to force Louisville hospital to treat husband's COVID-19 with ivermectin
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/judge-denies-wifes-request-to-force-louisville-hospital-to-treat-husbands-covid-19-with-ivermectin/article_2a05ea96-1669-11ec-a9f3-83a624462b5d.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 15, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
And... How could it hurt things?
 
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2008/050742s022lbl.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 15, 2021, 10:13:47 PM
Avoid the paranoid stuff like wearing a mask ...

https://notthebee.com/article/heres-a-video-of-anthony-fauci-pre-pandemic-laughing-at-the-idea-that-masking-is-effective-against-infectious-disease-he-instead-recommends-healthy-eating-exercise-and-other-behaviors-that-ac
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 15, 2021, 10:21:08 PM
More "blame the unvaccinated" tripe - two sources for same story.

https://www.live5news.com/2021/09/15/womans-family-uses-obituary-blame-unvaccinated-her-covid-19-death/

https://news.yahoo.com/family-vaccinated-woman-died-covid-004000008.html

 [barf]  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 16, 2021, 09:31:51 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/u-s-will-require-most-new-immigrants-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/

Immigrants to the US required to be vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2021, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 16, 2021, 09:31:51 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/u-s-will-require-most-new-immigrants-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/

Immigrants to the US required to be vaccinated.

I can't tell for sure from the article, but it sounds like that's a requirement for the people legally standing in line, and not the illegals being processed through the Southern border?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2021, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 16, 2021, 09:34:43 AM
I can't tell for sure from the article, but it sounds like that's a requirement for the people legally standing in line, and not the illegals being processed through the Southern border?
That’s correct. Next question?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2021, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: cordex on September 16, 2021, 09:47:26 AM
That’s correct. Next question?

Good one.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2021, 12:47:46 PM
I had childhood asthma. There is no way I could have put a mask on in the middle of an asthma attack.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/16/child-abuse-mother-purportedly-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-with-2-year-old-asthmatic-son-because-he-refused-to-wear-a-mask-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 16, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
Do you think that maybe there was someone on that plane who was worried about catching asthmas? What about their feelings?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
You're fired

Some Louisville healthcare workers receive letters of termination, lose jobs for not getting vaccinated
https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/16/some-louisville-healthcare-workers-receive-letters-termination-lose-jobs-not-getting-vaccinated/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2021, 06:07:46 PM
Italy has now started covid passports for all workers.

Quote
The Italian government on Thursday approved among the strictest COVID-19 rules in the world by mandating that all private and public sector employees get the vaccine and show proof of vaccination, a negative test, or a recent recovery from infection, officials said.

[Ben continues to harp on it] Notice they include natural immunity.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-vaccine-passport-mandatory-in-italy-for-all-private-sector-workers-officials_4000803.html


Meanwhile in the US we have coronabro:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/16/this-is-peak-coronabro-man-harasses-woman-at-target-without-a-mask-says-shes-a-bad-american/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 17, 2021, 02:06:03 PM
Spanish meta data study of Ivermectin.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452318621000350?via%3Dihub

Quote
Results
The reviewed literature suggests that there seems to be sufficient evidence about the safety of oral ivermectin, as well as the efficacy of the drug in the early-treatment and the prophylaxis of COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 17, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
125 employees of Indiana's largest hospital system leave over vaccine mandate
https://www.wlky.com/article/125-employees-of-indianas-largest-hospital-system-leave-over-vaccine-mandate/37638214

Quote
Indiana University Health said more than 300 were suspended for two weeks, unpaid, to either get the vaccine or risk termination. That period that ended Tuesday, Sept. 14, and IU Health said 125 people left the system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 17, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
My apologies if this has already been posted:

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/covid-is-a-social-construct
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 17, 2021, 05:04:15 PM
Is this the thread where we've talked about PPE being unavailable for welders, mechanics, farmers, etc?  I went to Harbor Freight today and they had NIOSH N-95 respirator masks (first time in a long time that I've seen NIOSH masks for sale)  They are 2 for $3. 

They have the double elastic headbands instead of earloops.  I bought a package but haven't opened them yet.  Just a quick look through the package, they don't seem to be constructed as well as their same-price KN-95s (those have really good nose bridges and the elastic ear loops have 2 welds at each end instead of just one to keep them from breaking loose), but I need to examine them.  I think the brand was Western Safety  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 17, 2021, 05:52:05 PM
Another short article on the Israeli study and natural immunity.

 https://nationalfile.com/israeli-study-fully-vaxxed-are-27-times-more-likely-to-get-covid-compared-to-people-with-natural-immunity/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 17, 2021, 08:03:51 PM
All the people who were on the cruise ships when only some folks caught it just haven't died of it yet. Sigh.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 08:57:55 PM
Idaho health care systems are now "pausing" their employee vaccine mandates (get the vaccine or get fired) because they're running out of employees.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article254327768.html?ac_cid=DM533127&ac_bid=1801644661
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2021, 10:03:32 PM
My wife has now had a second fifth grader test positive in her classroom and all 25 students are her are considered exposed.  Just for her peace of mind, we are going to the walk in clinic tomorrow morning so she can get tested.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 17, 2021, 11:39:58 PM
Looking at local statistics, it is looking like this time last summer.
 
Only the vaccine is... not really doing a helluva lot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2021, 08:16:31 AM
A positive article on natural immunity from the Washington Post, no less. Almost all the reader comments attacked the article, which to me, really showed how politics trumps science in the US compared to other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Oh, also reading through comments to the above article, I was surprised to learn that there was no such thing as natural immunity. And more than one crackpot said that.

I guess it takes at least three - not two - brain cells to put together that without natural immunity, there would be no humans on the planet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on September 18, 2021, 02:12:00 PM
A good friend of mine has it now. He, like me, could use to lose 100+ pounds and is a type II diabetic. He's doing better than he was but even talking on the phone wears him down. Ok, maybe I'm starting to get a little more afraid of this crud now...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 18, 2021, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 18, 2021, 08:16:31 AM
A positive article on natural immunity from the Washington Post, no less. Almost all the reader comments attacked the article, which to me, really showed how politics trumps science in the US compared to other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/

Quote
Some Republican governors have picked up on public frustration over how the scientific guidance is inconsistent with the data, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis accusing the Biden administration of “not following science” by crafting its vaccine mandate without taking into consideration “infection-conferred immunity.”

Republicans POUNCE!!

Quote
Public health officials changing their position on natural immunity, after so much hostility toward the idea, would go a long way in rebuilding the public trust.

Too late.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 19, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/19/1038369557/ivermectin-anti-vaccine-movement-culture-wars?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR1QIixZqYkMqMErphNlDD_8T1yiYfksCEjiPzXj4mjRt1bY96PpOPxjwU4

I will be interested to read the results of the current large-scale studies being done.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 19, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 19, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/19/1038369557/ivermectin-anti-vaccine-movement-culture-wars?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR1QIixZqYkMqMErphNlDD_8T1yiYfksCEjiPzXj4mjRt1bY96PpOPxjwU4

I will be interested to read the results of the current large-scale studies being done.

No mention of the states in India where Ivermectin pretty much shut down the emergency where it was adopted. Of course that information wasn't peer reviewed so it doesn't really exist.

The article was written by liars as they perpetrate the overdose lies.

PBS is not your friend.

I have no idea if Ivermectin is useful or not, but considering the leftist jihad against its use I think the chances of its effectiveness are better than even.

There has been very little official prophylactic treatment or early treatment of Covid by our medical industry, "Go home and come back when you can't breath".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 19, 2021, 05:51:15 PM
A nursing home just south of me had its head doc prescribe prophylactic HCQ... I don't know if they lost anyone, but the article I read said that they didn't really have much of a problem.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2021, 11:02:45 AM
Article about the FDA advisory committees live broadcast on the vaccine and boosters.

https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/18/fda-experts-reveal-the-covid-19-vaccines-are-killing-2-people-for-every-1-life-saved/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on September 20, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
This article has been pretty visible on twitter lately.
Quote from: https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/
leftists are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated.

They’re all vaccinated, and we’re not! And when you look at the numbers, the only numbers that matter, which is who’s dying, it’s overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying, and they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies into the unvaccinated camp.
But wait! What if this article is double-secret-reverse-psychology?  [tinfoil] 
=D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
My head hurts
Either it's all the BS or............. I have COVID! OMG! I'm GOING TO DIE!




Probably all the BS
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: DittoHead on September 20, 2021, 11:28:02 AM
This article has been pretty visible on twitter lately.But wait! What if this article is double-secret-reverse-psychology?  [tinfoil] 
=D

Nobody I know who is unvaccinated is doing it to spite the left.

They have concerns about taking a gene therapy treatment that hasn't gone through long term trials.
They have concerns about it not lasting very long and needing boosters indefinitely.
They have concerns about ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement).
They have concerns about the vaccine not keeping you from contracting or spreading Covid-19.
They have concerns about the historically unprecedented levels of adverse reactions being reported.
They have concerns about why the establishment is ignoring natural immunity of those who already have had Covid, unlike so many other nations on earth.

There are plenty of folks who chafe at the tyrannical and anti-liberty aspects, having some of the above concerns as well as others as well.

Many folks no longer trust the medical institutions or the government based upon their observations and experiences over the years.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 20, 2021, 01:59:00 PM
So the interesting (to me anyways) is that entire list of concerns is mostly talking points.  There's no real info there, and the people that I know with those concerns don't have data to back them up. They are just nebulous "concerns". 

For example, let's look at "They have concerns about the historically unprecedented levels of adverse reactions being reported.”

The average rate of Adverse Events Following Immunization (AEFI) is roughly 550 per 100k. (NIH 2015 numbers.  COVID 19 AEFI is about 60 per 100k ( 59.3 from the 21 million dose study out of Ontario that I pulled, but there are plenty of others)

So why do people think there are unprecedented numbers of Adverse Reactions being reported? Because they are demonstrably not being reported.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of mandates ( resigned to maybe, but not in favor of) but I am curious about the phenomenon that makes so many people believe things that are obviously untrue.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 20, 2021, 02:04:04 PM
Additionally, my new question to anyone that uses the term "gene therapy" in relation to this vaccine is explain to me exactly what about this use of mRNA concerns you. What do you think is, or will happen to your genes?

I am not a geneticist but I have a good layman's understanding of this, and this vaccine doesn't interact with your genes or DNA at all. So what's the concern? I would genuinely like new information that might change my mind, but so far no one has been able to provide any.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 20, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly

https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091

Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 20, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 20, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly

https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091

Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID.
So did anyone actually do this or did it just allegedly happen?  The articles are just reporting that the warning showed up on the internet. 

Maybe someone needs to start circulating videos warning people NOT to do all sorts of things.  Maybe we can get them on the news.   =D  Mercury was once used to treat syphilis.  I haven't yet heard a warning against gargling that so it MUST be okay right?   

I have heard of gargling Listerine as an aid to a sore throat.  I guess I have heard of doing that with a saline solution.  Never heard of doing it with anything else. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2021, 02:50:22 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 20, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly

https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091

Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID.

Whiskey works better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2021, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 20, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
I guess I have heard of doing that with a saline solution.  Never heard of doing it with anything else.

Gargling with warm salt water is one of the first things I start to do if I feel a cold and a tickly throat coming on. Then, of course, the whiskey.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 20, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 20, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
https://okcfox.com/news/local/doctors-warn-consuming-betadine-wont-cure-covid-could-be-deadly

https://www.newsweek.com/some-anti-vaxxers-are-allegedly-gargling-antiseptic-betadine-covid-cure-1629091

Regardless of your feelings about Big Pharma and Big Medicine, you probably should not be drinking Betadine to treat COVID. 

I don’t necessarily doubt that this has happened.  I mean, people ate farking tide pods after all.

But is this legitimately a widespread problem, or another fraudulent attempt at making conservatives look like morons?  Shades of ivermectin od’s clogging hospitals in OK City come to mind.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 20, 2021, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on September 20, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
I don’t necessarily doubt that this has happened.  I mean, people ate farking tide pods after all.

But is this legitimately a widespread problem, or another fraudulent attempt at making conservatives look like morons?  Shades of ivermectin od’s clogging hospitals in OK City come to mind.

I was wondering the same thing.  I suspect it's that latter; also an attempt to plant the idea in people's heads so more real morons will actually try it and give weight to the idea that we are all morons.

BTW, if you're going to use OTC veterinary Ivermectin, I think the 1% injectable form is probably the sweet spot.  You won't inject it, you'll take it orally; the dose will be very small but easy to measure because it's a watery liquid.  I haven't calculated it but wild-ass guess is 1.2 ml  (yes, I've given this way too much thought)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on September 20, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
I don’t necessarily doubt that this has happened.  I mean, people ate farking tide pods after all.

But is this legitimately a widespread problem, or another fraudulent attempt at making conservatives look like morons?  Shades of ivermectin od’s clogging hospitals in OK City come to mind.

Yes, this is the problem. Two people do it, and suddenly the MSM says that "everyone in flyover country" is taking "horse dewormer".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 20, 2021, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 20, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Yes, this is the problem. Two people do it, and suddenly the MSM says that "everyone in flyover country" is taking "horse dewormer".

We all are. We don't want horse worms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2021, 04:45:23 PM
My "talking points"

They have concerns about taking a gene therapy treatment that hasn't gone through long term trials. It is mRNA gene therapy instead of DNA gene therapy and it hasn't gone through the long term trials for safety.

They have concerns about it not lasting very long and needing boosters indefinitely.
They have concerns about ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement).
Boosters are being pushed all over the world including here. ADE is something that would show up in long term trials, which haven't happened.

They have concerns about the vaccine not keeping you from contracting or spreading Covid-19.
This is just a fact. You can contract and spread covid after "vaccination" with the mRNA "vaccines". While here in the states the numbers reported of breakthrough infections with symptoms is low, other countries like Israel are faring much worse. I suspect we will hear more here as it becomes more difficult to deny.

They have concerns about the historically unprecedented levels of adverse reactions being reported.
I'll have to poke around for the links, I don't bother bookmarking this stuff as the situation is so fluid these days. I've read in multiple sources that the number of reported issues to VAERS regarding Covid is close in number to all other vaccines combined over the years.

They have concerns about why the establishment is ignoring natural immunity of those who already have had Covid, unlike so many other nations on earth.
Once again where is the "talking point"? The evidence for natural immunity is piling up across the world and even on the CDC website they admit there is very little chance of reinfection. Yet the best we get out of official sources is that previously infected should supplement their natural immunity with the jab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Says something about the times we live in when I'm having doubts this is satire

The Trans-Vaccinated movement is growing.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1439859456175652867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Quote from: WLJ on September 20, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Says something about the times we live in when I can't tell if this satire or not

The Trans-Vaccinated movement is growing.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1439859456175652867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F

I am down with his movement. Turn about is fair play.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on September 20, 2021, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 20, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
I am down with his movement. Turn about is fair play.

Where is the like button?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2021, 08:57:28 PM
Here is the link to VAER data on Covid.

https://openvaers.com/covid-data
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 21, 2021, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: WLJ on September 20, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Says something about the times we live in when I'm having doubts this is satire

The Trans-Vaccinated movement is growing.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1439859456175652867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F

Ugh. If they're going to parody the transexual movement, they should learn the terminology, and the mindset, and get it right. Then it would actually be funny, and be effective mockery. Right now, it ain't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 21, 2021, 12:36:50 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 20, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Nobody I know who is unvaccinated is doing it to spite the left.

They have concerns about taking a gene therapy treatment that hasn't gone through long term trials.
They have concerns about it not lasting very long and needing boosters indefinitely.
They have concerns about ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement).
They have concerns about the vaccine not keeping you from contracting or spreading Covid-19.
They have concerns about the historically unprecedented levels of adverse reactions being reported.
They have concerns about why the establishment is ignoring natural immunity of those who already have had Covid, unlike so many other nations on earth.

There are plenty of folks who chafe at the tyrannical and anti-liberty aspects, having some of the above concerns as well as others as well.

Many folks no longer trust the medical institutions or the government based upon their observations and experiences over the years.

Absolutely nailed it!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2021, 07:55:39 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on September 21, 2021, 12:14:53 AM
Ugh. If they're going to parody the transexual movement, they should learn the terminology, and the mindset, and get it right.

I don't think that is possible. Every time I hear them talk, I get confused about the moving message.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Hey, remember when they told us we couldn't spend Thanksgiving with family?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/20/l-a-dept-of-public-health-explains-why-mask-less-emmy-awards-were-not-in-violation-of-mandate-just-guess-why-hint-theyre-special/

Anyway, the health dept didn't seem to explain why the servants still had to wear masks when supposedly everyone went through the same "protocols".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 21, 2021, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 21, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Hey, remember when they told us we couldn't spend Thanksgiving with family?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/20/l-a-dept-of-public-health-explains-why-mask-less-emmy-awards-were-not-in-violation-of-mandate-just-guess-why-hint-theyre-special/

Anyway, the health dept didn't seem to explain why the servants still had to wear masks when supposedly everyone went through the same "protocols".
Money and influence are cures/preventatives for COVID.  Didn't you know that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 21, 2021, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 21, 2021, 09:12:35 AM
Money and influence are cures/preventatives for COVID.  Didn't you know that?

And fake racial grievances.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 21, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
Guys, remember that there is a sizable group of people who think that Trump actually said "you should drink clorox and lysol."
 
And you cannot convince them otherwise.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 22, 2021, 02:27:28 PM
Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-scientists-planned-release-skin-145326380.html

Surprised to see this on Yahoo News.

Quote
Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.

“This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2021, 06:00:49 PM
Interesting change in Ontario, OR this week. Up until last week (last time I was there), 90% of people were not wearing masks. Fast forward to just a couple of hours ago, and 90% of people ARE wearing masks. I was at both Home Despot and Albertsons, and I was one of only a few people without a mask, and the HD was packed. I didn't see any signs in front of the HD, but the Albertsons was prominently displaying a "masks required" sign. Nobody bugged me for not wearing one at either place.

I was also at the place there that sells Conex boxes, and I had to wait to be shown what they had available because a girl was the only one there. She said every other person was out with covid. I guess they all just got it in the last few days because she said they'd all be out for two weeks.

I don't know if any new OR regs hit, or if people are just getting nervous. Some of the stores in my area, both in OR and ID, are limiting purchases of the covid run-on items like TP, water, etc. I don't want to buy into any panic, but in case there is some regional "OMG!" stuff starting, I'm going to go to Costco tomorrow to  get one each of water, TP, and paper towels. I'm back up to my usual stockpile of those items now, but just in case something is starting, one more of each won't hurt. Maybe some stuff to top off the freezer, otherwise I'm good on long term food as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 22, 2021, 10:28:18 PM
Our latest potential treatment from Larry the llama:  https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58628689
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 22, 2021, 10:49:57 PM
Just call me cynical, but my guess?
 
"I wanna take some damn time off, and I'm gonna take it NOW."
 
Seriously - us essential untouchables should all be dead by now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 23, 2021, 04:58:31 AM
Most employers require a positive test for you to get your fancy COVID two weeks.

It's not like calling in sick on Monday after a party.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 23, 2021, 05:18:04 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 23, 2021, 04:58:31 AM
Most employers require a positive test for you to get your fancy COVID two weeks.

It's not like calling in sick on Monday after a party.

We’ve had an employee gin up two “positive” result notifications and get two periods of COVID vacation, and brag about it. One miraculous positive result struck three days after he got back from a normal week’s vacation. He also got caught literally falsifying clockins and nothing, not even a write up happened to him.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2021, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: Boomhauer on September 23, 2021, 05:18:04 AM
We’ve had an employee gin up two “positive” result notifications and get two periods of COVID vacation, and brag about it. One miraculous positive result struck three days after he got back from a normal week’s vacation. He also got caught literally falsifying clockins and nothing, not even a write up happened to him.






Friend had a coworker pull that last year.

It didn't end well for the guy who tried it. He was terminated AND the company was apparently making noises about going after him for the cost of the office deep clean/sanitation cycle they went through when he reported have the Kung.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2021, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: dogmush on September 23, 2021, 04:58:31 AM
Most employers require a positive test for you to get your fancy COVID two weeks.

It's not like calling in sick on Monday after a party.

I just told 'em my wife tested positive. Got my virus vacation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on September 23, 2021, 07:47:34 PM
At walmart all you have to do is be exposed to someone with the China Flu and you get 10 paid days off.  If you test positive, it's 14 days.

Some people employed there (can't say they "work") are still employed after numerous 10 day vacations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 24, 2021, 07:22:34 AM
Costco is reinstituting purchase limits on some products, including bottled water and toilet paper.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/costco-brings-back-purchase-limits-on-toilet-paper-and-more.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 24, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
So, interestingly, I'm wondering if I just had the Delta variant. The problem with the covid is that nobody seems to get a cold or flu anymore - if you have symptoms, it must be the covids!

Yet, looking up Delta symptoms, I had a runny nose a few days ago, then a stuffy nose (both how I usually get a cold), but then yesterday had a raging headache and felt like I was burning up, but with no fever, and super tired. Same tired feeling that I had when I got the covid last November, but not as bad. I only rarely get headaches, and never with a cold or flu.

The latter symptoms seem to be common Delta symptoms. Anyway, yesterday I had to quit doing anything around noon, then just laid in my recliner all afternoon and went to bed early. I did the super doses of immune boosters, and drank some night time Theraflu right before bed. Slept like a rock, and this morning I feel 90% better.

So it could be that I caught Delta. If I were still feeling crappy today, I might have gotten tested, but it's not worth it now, and if I did have it, it seems my natural antibodies from Covid A made it mild, and now I have Delta antibodies.  :laugh:

Don't know how I might have caught it. My reading says that "they" still say "within six feet of someone for more than 15 minutes", and I haven't been. Anyways...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
Soon the Covid will have infected all of humanity and the world will be left to the 99.95% of humanity who survive.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 25, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
My wife and I had a conversation with a couple of Australian ex-pat ladies about COVID in Australia. Their mom had to return to Australia to visit some family still there and was appalled by the conditions there. It was funny to hear the opposite view of our US expat in Australia from Australian ex-pats in the US. They did say that most Australians were supportive of the quarantine measures despite the ladies we were talking to considering them to be horrifying.

I think between the enforced quarantine hotel and the fact that to return to the US she was required to buy a business class ticket for some reason it ended up costing more than $9,000 more than it usually would.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2021, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: K Frame on September 24, 2021, 07:22:34 AM
Costco is reinstituting purchase limits on some products, including bottled water and toilet paper.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/costco-brings-back-purchase-limits-on-toilet-paper-and-more.html

I heard an interesting analysis this morning. While the MSM is doing direct links to covid for Costco's decision, apparently a Costco exec has said it's only part of the issue. The other part  is supply chain issues. Costco has leased a half dozen cargo ships in hopes of keeping up with 2022, let alone 2021.

They also said inflation is playing a role in that their costs continue to rise, and if someone is told something they buy for $1 this week is going to be $1.50 next week, they are going to hoard this week.

They expect to be in short supply for a lot of stuff for holiday purchasing. If I want that 65" TV, maybe I'd better get it now.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 26, 2021, 07:24:20 AM
"So, interestingly, I'm wondering if I just had the Delta variant."

So, you had the Covids, and now you think you had the Super Covids...

I think we're just going to call you Vector from now on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 26, 2021, 07:29:19 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 25, 2021, 10:47:08 AM
I heard an interesting analysis this morning. While the MSM is doing direct links to covid for Costco's decision, apparently a Costco exec has said it's only part of the issue. The other part  is supply chain issues. Costco has leased a half dozen cargo ships in hopes of keeping up with 2022, let alone 2021.

They also said inflation is playing a role in that their costs continue to rise, and if someone is told something they buy for $1 this week is going to be $1.50 next week, they are going to hoard this week.

They expect to be in short supply for a lot of stuff for holiday purchasing. If I want that 65" TV, maybe I'd better get it now.  :laugh:

NO NO NO! All Covid, because... TRUMP! TRUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

Of course MSN is beating the covid drum for everything from mass shootings to puppies peeing on the carpets. Gotta beat that analysis drum because it helps promotes Biden's "you're an evil Trump hugger if you don't get your jab" agenda.

I wouldn't trust MSN's analysis of their own diaper contents, to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 26, 2021, 07:59:09 AM
According to the CDC and other sources I've read, reinfection is incredibly rare.

If reinfection were a thing I suspect it would be blaring 24/7 from every media outlet.

Have they actually isolated a true "Delta variant" or are they just basing the variant designation on observed symptoms that differ from the original infection?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 26, 2021, 08:08:09 AM
Well, we just had our summer colds...
 
Some old and very sick people died, as they have EVERY summer cold season in the past.
 
We're now heading into cold and flu winter, which is now known as Teh Covids, which will result in more old and very sick people dying.
 
If you would just wear your mask, we would all be immortal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 26, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
Quote from: Ron on September 26, 2021, 07:59:09 AM

Have they actually isolated a true "Delta variant" or are they just basing the variant designation on observed symptoms that differ from the original infection?

It's a different variant with a distinct genome.

https://gvn.org/covid-19/delta-b-1-617-2/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 26, 2021, 08:29:22 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 26, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
It's a different variant with a distinct genome.

https://gvn.org/covid-19/delta-b-1-617-2/

Thanks!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2021, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 26, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
It's a different variant with a distinct genome.

https://gvn.org/covid-19/delta-b-1-617-2/

Dammit, once again only vaccine efficacy is mentioned, and nothing about Covid A natural immunity antibody efficacy to the Delta.

I'm starting to feel like I need to demand 40 acres and a mule.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 26, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on September 26, 2021, 09:21:08 AM
Dammit, once again only vaccine efficacy is mentioned, and nothing about Covid A natural immunity antibody efficacy to the Delta.

I'm starting to feel like I need to demand 40 acres and a mule.

From the link (which is a little  old, but the first one I found with the genome info):

Quote
Vaccine Efficacy

Use of  a live virus assay showed that the B.1.617.1 variant is 6.8-fold more resistant to neutralization by sera from COVID-19 convalescent and Moderna and Pfizer vaccinated individuals.

Despite this, a majority of the sera from convalescent individuals and all sera from vaccinated individuals were still able to neutralize the B.1.617.1 variant.

Protective immunity by the mRNA vaccines tested here are likely retained against the B.1.617.1 variant. This needs to be further evaluated by evaluating clinical data from vaccinated individuals.

In the U.K. trial, efficacy of 2-dose Pfizer vaccine against this variant was 87.9% (93.4% against B.1.1.7); 2-dose AstraZeneca showed 59.8% efficacy against this variant and 66.1% against B.1.1.7.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2021, 11:00:21 AM
Actually, here's one that does go into detail on natural immunity vs variants:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210705/Scientists-identify-natural-SARS-CoV-2-super-immunity-against-23-variants.aspx

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abh1766
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 26, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
That first link read to me like it found some particularly potent antibodies, among the more "average" antibodies.

Which is neat to me, as I didn't think you had a range of antibody variants,  but I guess it makes sense.  I wonder if there is any way to select for the varsity antibodies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 26, 2021, 12:47:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE7wUrK0Pb0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 27, 2021, 10:20:52 PM
Man, how many cops do the aussies need to arrest a mask offender?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1442259246339346432

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/27/indefensible-authoritarianism-heres-how-the-coronavirus-lockdowns-are-coming-along-in-australia/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 27, 2021, 10:50:02 PM
Today, my 10-6 called in, said he would be late. Never showed.
 
(I was there at 0715)
 
The 12-8 showed up around 1300, IIRC.
 
5-10 #1 showed up spot on, as is normal for him.
 
5-10 #2 was about a half hour late, Which, frankly, is a lot better than we expected.
 
I'm tired.
 
I got out at 1735 or so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 27, 2021, 11:51:26 PM
Covid is apparently fighting back.  According to this article, cells that the Wu-flu have infected and "damaged" are producing a protein that is protecting those damaged cells from the body's immune system.

https://news.yahoo.com/protein-found-infected-cells-protects-191347885.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 28, 2021, 06:55:30 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 27, 2021, 10:50:02 PM
Today, my 10-6 called in, said he would be late. Never showed.
 
(I was there at 0715)
 
The 12-8 showed up around 1300, IIRC.
 
5-10 #1 showed up spot on, as is normal for him.
 
5-10 #2 was about a half hour late, Which, frankly, is a lot better than we expected.
 
I'm tired.
 
I got out at 1735 or so.

*expletive deleted*ing fire them.

It's better to know your going to be short and plan around it than think you will have help that never shows.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 28, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: dogmush on September 13, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
I'm not, as yet, convinced there will be "widespread" firings.  Again the Local hospitals are where I have firsthand knowledge from people there and the chance to listen in on meetings.  Around here hospital staff is low to mid 80%'s vaccinated, and people treating COVID is upper 90%'s vaccinated.  Not all of those are going to quit/be fired over this. So while 5-10% staffing drop will be very bad, That's not "widespread" (IMO) and it tends to not be in critical areas.  Other areas may differ.

Going back to this post from a couple weeks ago, I ran across this blurb on the net today:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-hospitals-fire-unvaccinated-staff/vi-AAOTxSw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

The firings are starting.  I think NY is the first state to pull the trigger (so to speak) and it looks to be more people than I originally thought would quit/get fired over it.  I talked to Mrs. Mush again last night, and her hospital is hovering in the mid 80%s of employee vaccinations, with Dr.s being higher, nurses kinda average, and support staff lower than the overall number.  There hasn't been a surge in new vaccinations in response to the pending mandate, but I don't think her hospital has decided on how they are going to enforce it yet.  (Her hospital admin has been publicly saying they wouldn't mandate if left up to them).

NYS said they were looking at 16% or so of their 450,000 healthcare workers.  If that number holds steady as other states and systems start enforcing the mandate, I will have been wrong, and there will likely be a real problem.


Related:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/09/27/covid-19-vaccination-rates-among-lapd-and-lafd-well-behind-county-residents/

and

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/09/27/massachusetts-state-police-covid-vaccine-mandate-resignations/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 28, 2021, 12:20:43 PM
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I understand NYS at least, is bringing in National Guard to substitute for fired employees. I wonder how widespread that will be? I have no idea as to what percentage of NG (and I guess it would vary by state) are medically trained  to fill in. At some poiunt, you might run out of them as well.

EDIT: Of course when I use one of those Millcreek "look at the post above mine" arrows, I end up starting a new page.  :laugh:

I'm referring to Dogmush's previous post.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 28, 2021, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 28, 2021, 12:20:43 PM
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I understand NYS at least, is bringing in National Guard to substitute for fired employees. I wonder how widespread that will be? I have no idea as to what percentage of NG (and I guess it would vary by state) are medically trained  to fill in. At some poiunt, you might run out of them as well.

EDIT: Of course when I use one of those Millcreek "look at the post above mine" arrows, I end up starting a new page.  :laugh:

I'm referring to Dogmush's previous post.
Some online commentary I saw indicated there is little likelihood there will be enough national guard medically trained people available, but I guess it depends on what they want them to do.  Also, one comment said the National Guard can't keep track of things so the likelihood of all of them being vaccinated is low. 

I was thinking the people getting pulled into guard duty may end up taking pay cuts or pulled out of existing healthcare positions.  Not sure how all that will work.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on September 28, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
I've heard that not all of the military personnel are onboard with getting the vax.  I'd bet there are a few Reservists/Guard that feel the same way, and haven't gotten vaxed.

If that's the case, what's the state/organization going to do if a non-vaxed Reservist/Guard gets assigned to their area of responsibility?  It would be stupid, but in line with their policy, if they refuse the assistance of that member.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 28, 2021, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Cliffh on September 28, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
I've heard that not all of the military personnel are onboard with getting the vax.  I'd bet there are a few Reservists/Guard that feel the same way, and haven't gotten vaxed.

If that's the case, what's the state/organization going to do if a non-vaxed Reservist/Guard gets assigned to their area of responsibility?  It would be stupid, but in line with their policy, if they refuse the assistance of that member.

We haven't got a lot of guidance on the actual implementation of the vaccine mandate for Servicemembers yet, but from what I've seen so far, a Guardsman who is not fully vaxxed is ineligible to be activated. It would take a waiver from on high to allow that to happen.  Since this is a state activation, the Adjutant General or the Governor could probably waive the medical readiness portion, but that'd be a pretty bad look for her politically.  Flip a coin on whether she allows that.

I'm not an expert on the intricacies of the Guard and State mobs though, so I may have missed some nuance somewhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 29, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
https://abc7.com/covid-mandate-air-travel-feinstein-bill-vaccine-proof-flights-negative-test/11061172/

Diane Feinstein is Ben's newest best friend: she has sponsored legislation calling for vaccination, negative testing, or recovery from illness as COVID prerequisites for domestic air travel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 29, 2021, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 29, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
https://abc7.com/covid-mandate-air-travel-feinstein-bill-vaccine-proof-flights-negative-test/11061172/

Diane Feinstein is Ben's newest best friend: she has sponsored legislation calling for vaccination, negative testing, or recovery from illness as COVID prerequisites for domestic air travel.

Or we just don’t call for any of that bullshit in the first place.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 29, 2021, 09:06:13 PM
Dogmush,
I saw a local report that I can’t find right now from a hospital system which has instituted the mandate that was saying they were only firing a very small percentage of their workforce and most were from support roles, just as you supposed.

Looks like non-compliance and willingness to go to the wall for it may have some odd regionality.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 29, 2021, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 29, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
https://abc7.com/covid-mandate-air-travel-feinstein-bill-vaccine-proof-flights-negative-test/11061172/

Diane Feinstein is Ben's newest best friend: she has sponsored legislation calling for vaccination, negative testing, or recovery from illness as COVID prerequisites for domestic air travel.

Interesting. She has done a few things in the last year that have pissed off the far left.

I wonder what proof of recovery will be? This is the first I have heard of any politician mentioning it as part of a mandate or "covid pass", so haven't seen what proof documentation would be. Documentation of positive test result? Antibody test? I haven't seen anything on how easy it is to get an antibody test or what the costs are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 29, 2021, 09:48:57 PM
At this stage, I think we're looking mostly at public perception...
 
And that's all over the place. There are a LOT of folks out there who think that if you catch it, you're gonna die. Flat out don't pass go die...
 
And then there are the people who insist that everyone pay attention to the rules. They like the rules. The rules are for safety. Safety. You have to be safe. Perfectly safe.
 
I'm a lot more worried about getting shot by one of the gangsters that our city administration gives get out of jail free cards to than I am of dying from a nasty cold, at least at this point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
This just in: Justice Kavanaugh tests positive.  I hope he recovers quickly.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042269542/justice-kavanaugh-tests-positive-for-covid-supreme-court-says?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 01, 2021, 11:00:33 AM
Well, given that he isn't an octogenarian patient in a nursing home, long-term care facility, skilled nursing facility, or a hospice facility, with a DNR order on file, he'll probably be just fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 01, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
This just in: Justice Kavanaugh tests positive. I hope he recovers quickly.

From what?  Testing positive?

From the article: "On Thursday evening, Justice Kavanaugh was informed that he had tested positive for Covid-19," the statement said. "He has no symptoms and has been fully vaccinated since January."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 01, 2021, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on October 01, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
From what?  Testing positive?

From the article: "On Thursday evening, Justice Kavanaugh was informed that he had tested positive for Covid-19," the statement said. "He has no symptoms and has been fully vaccinated since January."

Meanwhile, I've had symptoms for two weeks and I've tested negative twice.

I think I have to wait another week or two before an antibody test will be valid, but I intend to pursue that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/10/01/merck-says-experimental-pill-cuts-worst-effects-of-coronavirus/

This might be encouraging.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on October 01, 2021, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Fly320s on October 01, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
From what?  Testing positive?

From the article: "On Thursday evening, Justice Kavanaugh was informed that he had tested positive for Covid-19," the statement said. "He has no symptoms and has been fully vaccinated since January."

huh ??? You actually read the article before commenting on it?  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/10/01/merck-says-experimental-pill-cuts-worst-effects-of-coronavirus/

This might be encouraging.

Read a few stories earlier that this new drug is either chemically very similar to ivermectin, or just rebadged ivermectin.  Not sure how accurate the stories were, but it does make one wonder.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 01:44:00 PM
https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/26/19/5795/pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir

This does not sound similar to, or related to, ivermectin at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 01, 2021, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
Read a few stories earlier that this new drug is either chemically very similar to ivermectin, or just rebadged ivermectin.  Not sure how accurate the stories were, but it does make one wonder.

A quick read of the wikis for both drugs makes me think they aren't similar at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 01, 2021, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
Read a few stories earlier that this new drug is either chemically very similar to ivermectin, or just rebadged ivermectin.  Not sure how accurate the stories were, but it does make one wonder.

I think it is Pfizer that was working on a drug that is similar to ivermectin. Like Rocketman I just recall reading something about it, no real knowledge outside of an article where it was mentioned.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2021, 01:48:53 PM
I think it is Pfizer that was working on a drug that is similar to ivermectin. Like Rocketman I just recall reading something about it, no real knowledge outside of an article where it was mentioned.

Sorry gents.  Ron is correct, it was the Pfizer drug that was called out for it's similarity to ivermectin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
One thing we can all agree on: whomever is first to market with a reliable oral treatment for Covid is going to be making money hand over fist.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 01, 2021, 02:26:58 PM
As long as it isn't a generic...
 
You know, like some other stuff that some folks said worked...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 01, 2021, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
One thing we can all agree on: whomever is first to market with a reliable oral treatment for Covid is going to be making money hand over fist.

IF the government allows that company to make a profit. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: Bogie on October 01, 2021, 02:26:58 PM
As long as it isn't a generic...
 
You know, like some other stuff that some folks said worked...

One thing that Big Pharma excels at in recent years is tweaking one molecule on a generic or pre-existing product so they have a new unique product that can be patented.  In recent years, Big Pharma has offshored almost all of their pharmaceutical research chemistry to places like Singapore, India and South Korea and those countries have scads of PhDs and the server farms to support the computational chemistry to come up with the new molecules.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 01, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
One thing we can all agree on: whomever is first to market with a reliable oral treatment for Covid is going to be making money hand over fist.

That's exactly what the articles I read recently had implied.  Big bucks to be had for a new treatment.
The speculation in the articles was Pfizer was reworking Ivermectin just enough to justify a new patent (and to avoid patent infringement issues) and an approval by the FDA.  That means big bucks once their version goes on the market.  Ivermectin itself will be dirt cheap by comparison.
Anyone want to bet that Big Pharma arm twists the FDA to completely prohibit the use of Ivermectin as a Covid treatment once Merck and Pfizer are ready to market their new drugs?

edit: just saw your last post after I posted this one MC.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 01, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 01, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin

Science at work!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 01, 2021, 05:25:45 PM
Just got back from my local Harbor Freight.
 
They have a LOT of holes on the shelves. I needed a tubing cutter, because I can't find mine (I will now...), and... They would normally have it. Nope.
 
They were also out of about half, if not more, of their tarp selection. I wanted a 19x19.5, but I got a 19x29. I can always fold it.
 
They didn't have tarp balls. But I got rope.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 02, 2021, 11:43:52 AM
How Russia uses antibody tests:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-russia-antibody-tests-effe47523f80991e55c710cc585e118c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 02, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 02, 2021, 11:43:52 AM
How Russia uses antibody tests:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-russia-antibody-tests-effe47523f80991e55c710cc585e118c

I've also read that even if antibodies are so low they aren't detected that the body still remembers some infections and responds properly. There is I guess a potential for false confidence and false concern.

At this point in time I'm just looking at the numbers. Reinfection is still so rare that there is little to nothing out there about it on the web. It's not a thing.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 02, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
Welp! I finally got hit by the Covid. I went to the VA hospital here on OKC for my annual checkup on August 30th, everything checked out OK, but went back on September 10th and was diagnosed with the Covid and hypoxemia. I guess the best place to get sick is at the hospital. The doctor said I was pretty much over it by then, and didn't need to quarantine. I've been on oxygen since but getting better every day.  :cool:

The up side? I now have natural immunity and have achieved my weight loss goal! It's not the best or most pleasant way to lose those last ten pounds, but hey!  =)

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 02, 2021, 07:55:44 PM
Glad your on the mend, congrats on joining the natural immunity club!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 02, 2021, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: Ron on October 02, 2021, 07:55:44 PM
Glad your on the mend, congrats on joining the natural immunity club!

I'm happy to be among the best!

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 03, 2021, 03:16:26 PM
We're getting >1 year data on natural immunity now. One of the latest peer reviewed studies indicates most still have good natural immunity after a year, with this study suggesting that those who had more severe cases have the stronger immunity.

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The immune systems of the vast majority of people who have been infected with the CCP virus will continue to carry antibodies against the virus for at least 12 months, according to a peer-reviewed study accepted by the European Journal of Immunology on Sept. 24.

Scientists at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare studied the presence of antibodies in 1,292 subjects eight months after infection. They found that 96 percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies and 66 percent still carried a type of antibody called nucleoprotein IgG.

The scientists then investigated antibody levels one year after infection by randomly selecting 367 subjects from the original cohort who had not yet been vaccinated. Eighty-nine percent of the subjects still carried neutralizing antibodies, and 36 percent still carried the IgG antibody.

Antibody levels were higher in subjects who had experienced severe COVID-19 disease. Compared to those who had mild disease, these subjects had two to seven times as many antibodies for at least 13 months after infection.

“Studies of individuals who have recovered from [CCP virus] infection are crucial in determining for how long antibodies persist after infection and whether these antibodies protect against re-infection,” the scientists wrote (pdf).

Despite lasting protection against the original strain of the CCP virus, the study found that the neutralization efficiency against the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants waned over time. The reduction in efficiency was “considerably declined” for the Beta variant and was “only slightly reduced” against the Alpha variant. For the Delta variant, which is the dominant strain in the United States, the study found that 80 percent of the subjects still had immune protection 12 months after infection.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/antibodies-persist-for-more-than-a-year-after-covid-19-infection-study-finds_4029278.html

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/eji.202149535


The article additionally referenced this paper from May:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01377-8
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 03, 2021, 04:16:10 PM
As fast as COVID is mutating, I am not very sanguine on the long term effectiveness of either vaccination or natural immunity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 03, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: cordex on October 03, 2021, 04:16:10 PM
As fast as COVID is mutating, I am not very sanguine on the long term effectiveness of either vaccination or natural immunity.

I found it interesting that in the papers I linked to, they showed natural immunity to be less effective against Beta compared to Delta. I don't really know anything about viral mutations, but I thought viruses continued mutation away from immunity. I would have figured the Delta variant to be more prone to ignore natural immunity from Alpha than the Beta variant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 03, 2021, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 03, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
I found it interesting that in the papers I linked to, they showed natural immunity to be less effective against Beta compared to Delta. I don't really know anything about viral mutations, but I thought viruses continued mutation away from immunity. I would have figured the Delta variant to be more prone to ignore natural immunity from Alpha than the Beta variant.

Does Delta come from Beta or Gamma, or is it a direct offshoot of the original strain? Or does anyone even know?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 03, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
This study is on vaccines. Still awaiting peer review:

Quote
Antibody levels generated by two shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine can undergo up to a 10-fold decrease seven months following the second vaccination, research suggests.

The drop in antibody levels will compromise the body’s ability to defend itself against COVID-19 if the individual becomes infected.

In a recent BioRxiv study published ahead of peer-review, many recipients of the vaccine displayed substantial waning of antibodies to the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, or SARS-CoV-2, and its variants including Delta, Beta, and Mu.

Bali Pulendran of Stanford University and Mehul Suthar of Emory University told Reuters that the study shows “vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine induces high levels of neutralizing antibodies against the original vaccine strain, but these levels drop by nearly 10-fold by seven months.”

While the body has other defense mechanisms in place to ward off the virus, Pulendran and Suthar added that antibodies “are critically important in protecting against SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

The study focused on 46 healthy participants who had received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The participants’ blood was tested once after receiving the second vaccination and once again after six months.

Researchers suggested administering a third booster vaccination as a measure to improve vaccine efficacy.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/vaccine-antibodies-decline-7-months-after-second-shot-us-study_4029247.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 03, 2021, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 03, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
This study is on vaccines. Still awaiting peer review:

More at:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/vaccine-antibodies-decline-7-months-after-second-shot-us-study_4029247.html

Sure the antibodies decline, but what about T-cells and B-cell immunity?   (B-cells, T-cells, revenuers too, searchin' for the place where he made his brew...)  ((sorry))
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on October 03, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 03, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
I found it interesting that in the papers I linked to, they showed natural immunity to be less effective against Beta compared to Delta. I don't really know anything about viral mutations, but I thought viruses continued mutation away from immunity. I would have figured the Delta variant to be more prone to ignore natural immunity from Alpha than the Beta variant.

Keep in mind that mutation is essentially random.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 03, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on October 03, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
Keep in mind that mutation is essentially random.
Right, but the mutants that survive tend to be the ones for which the mutation increases their chance of survival in their environments.

I would expect that an area with lots of vaccine-based immunity to generate mutants that tend to be able to survive in people who have been vaccinated. Likewise, in areas with significant quantity of recovered cases, I would expect the surviving variants to be adapted to defeating naturally adapted immunity.  Given that there are places in the world with high populations of either category, it is not hard to imagine that variants might emerge suited to different environments.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 03, 2021, 08:24:26 PM
Just in case y'all missed something, do you remember the Swine Flu? The Bird Flu? The SARS panic?
 
Those beasties are all still out there.
 
They just mutated to not kill their hosts.
 
Darwinian selection.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 03, 2021, 10:39:58 PM
Quote from: Ron on October 02, 2021, 12:09:32 PM

At this point in time I'm just looking at the numbers. Reinfection is still so rare that there is little to nothing out there about it on the web. It's not a thing.

Just tonight I was talking to a kid at church (about 13, I think), who just had the plague again last week. Had it first in April of this year.

He also said he'd rather have it 20 more times than get a vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 04, 2021, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on October 03, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
Keep in mind that mutation is essentially random.

 [tinfoil]
That's what they want you to believe.
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
The nice nurse just came to my office and gave me a flu shot. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 04, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
The nice nurse just came to my office and gave me a flu shot.

Hopefully it will work on this year's variant.  It's always a bit hit or miss in that regard.
The couple of times I got a flu shot I always felt a bit cruddy afterwards.  It was just for a day and nothing major.  And I don't recall getting the flu afterwards, either.  But then again I almost never get the flu.  I'm probably not a good data point with regards to flu shot efficacy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 04, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Hopefully it will work on this year's variant.  It's always a bit hit or miss in that regard.
The couple of times I got a flu shot I always felt a bit cruddy afterwards.  It was just for a day and nothing major.  And I don't recall getting the flu afterwards, either.  But then again I almost never get the flu.  I'm probably not a good data point with regards to flu shot efficacy.

The vaccine manufacturers have to guess several months ago which flu strains will be circulating this fall, place the orders and start incubating the eggs and making the vaccines. Sometimes the guess is spot on and other times not so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 04, 2021, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 01, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin

Well, interesting news today.   =)

Pfizer conducts study on new drug that some believe is like ivermectin
https://www.fingerlakes1.com/2021/10/01/pfizer-conducts-study-on-new-drug-that-some-believe-is-like-ivermectin/

Pfizer’s new pill to prevent COVID-19 is not the same as ivermectin
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-067310377629

Either way, I hope they are effective and not too expensive. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 03:58:36 PM
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-new-zealand-auckland-829fc4cd04e68e9e3b264ac03418aeaf

New Zealand is turning over a new leaf.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 04, 2021, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
The nice nurse just came to my office and gave me a flu shot.

Oughtta keep your door locked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 04, 2021, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 04, 2021, 01:58:02 PM
The vaccine manufacturers have to guess several months ago which flu strains will be circulating this fall, place the orders and start incubating the eggs and making the vaccines. Sometimes the guess is spot on and other times not so much.

Yep, I knew that, hence my hoping it works on this year's variant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 05, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests

Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 05, 2021, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 05, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests

Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.
Given the amount of travel, does that mean it was already spread to a lot of places around the world before it was ever publicly reported on?  I recall many wondering why California didn't see a spike in cases early on.  Maybe they did, but before anyone knew there was something new.  I remember the people who went to SHOT show 2020 talking about catching the usual bug there and getting hit pretty hard.  I guess that is all speculation. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2021, 09:47:41 AM
There was a lot of evidence of "early covid", last year already, that was heavily repressed by big tech.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 05, 2021, 03:57:57 PM
I had a really nasty in December of 2019. Basically, the inside of my head felt like I was undergoing an extended session of CS gas training. My sinuses gushed for 2-3 solid days. I slept face down with my forehead on a chair by the bed, dripping onto a towel I threw away. Back at work (because work...) the next day, I passed it on, and it damn near kilt a cow orker. I think it was here. Lots of similar reports out there. JR got an antibody test in early 2020, when they became available, and tested positive, and he was sick about the same time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 05, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 05, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests

Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.

Epoch Times reporting largely the same thing:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/pcr-sales-soared-in-wuhan-before-first-official-covid-19-cases-publicised-report_4032361.html

Our good friends in the PRC wouldn't try to cover up a pandemic, would they?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 05, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 05, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
https://ground.news/article/covid-19-coronavirus-spreading-virulently-in-wuhan-much-earlier-than-previously-thought-report-suggests

Based on the purchase history of lab testing materials, COVID may have been present in Wuhan for some months before the PRC reported it in December 2019.

Doesn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on October 05, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: charby on October 05, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Doesn't surprise me at all.

Only hardline lefties aren't surprised by these revelations.  But then, they won't accept the mounting evidence either.  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 05, 2021, 08:42:26 PM
https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html

Definitely worth a listen/watch.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 05, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 05, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Our good friends in the PRC wouldn't try to cover up a pandemic, would they?

Or gee... Would they engineer a pandemic to cover up something else? They were having problems with Hong Kong dissidents earlier in 2019.
 
No dissidents, no problems.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 06, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
And so it begins:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-health-system-denies-kidney-transplant-unvaccinated

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A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure is scrambling to find a new hospital to perform a kidney transplant after a health system in the state denied the transplant due to her and her donor being unvaccinated against the coronavirus. 

"Here I am, willing to be a direct donor to her. It does not affect any other patient on the transplant list," Jaimee Fougner, Leilani Lutali’s kidney donor, told CBS4. "How can I sit here and allow them to murder my friend when I’ve got a perfectly good kidney and can save her life?"

Lutali said she received a letter from Colorado health system UCHealth at the end of September explaining that she and Fougner have 30 days to begin the vaccine process. They would be removed from the kidney transplant list if they refuse the shots.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 06, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: Bogie on October 05, 2021, 08:53:29 PM

Or gee... Would they engineer a pandemic to cover up something else? They were having problems with Hong Kong dissidents earlier in 2019.
 
No dissidents, no problems.

Of course they would.  But I don't think they did.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on October 07, 2021, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 06, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
Of course they would.  But I don't think they did.

But they might try it if they thought (among other things) the PRC could reduce their "surplus population".  They might even have hoped that it would reduce those "ethnic minorities" that they are already trying to eradicate (the Uighurs).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on October 07, 2021, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on October 07, 2021, 04:07:32 PM
But they might try it if they thought (among other things) the PRC could reduce their "surplus population".  They might even have hoped that it would reduce those "ethnic minorities" that they are already trying to eradicate (the Uighurs).

May not quite work like they’d hope.

https://youtu.be/4SGNeJigllY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2021, 11:24:44 AM
I finally heard a good reason for wearing a mask:
"Friends please put on a mask.  It saves lives.  Yesterday a friend of mine went out with his girlfriend and on the way passed by his wife and she did not recognize him.  The mask really saved his life." 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2021, 02:12:01 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on October 07, 2021, 04:07:32 PM
But they might try it if they thought (among other things) the PRC could reduce their "surplus population".  They might even have hoped that it would reduce those "ethnic minorities" that they are already trying to eradicate (the Uighurs).
I was thinking it would give them an excuse to disappear people. 

However, better to assume incompetence as the most likely reason in a good country.  In a communist system, incompetence is even more likely. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 08, 2021, 02:40:53 PM
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/10/08/cdc-director-get-ready-for-a-twindemic-this-fall-n421147

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On one hand, this is good advice based on common sense — get your flu shot, which is even more important in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic. On the other, though, CDC director Rochelle Walensky offers a contradiction in support of it. Thanks to the masking and social distancing imposed to stop the spread of COVID-19, she argues, the flu didn’t spread much last year, leaving the “herd” less immune this fall and winter. That puts us at greater risk of having both a bad flu and COVID-19 season this year.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 08, 2021, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 08, 2021, 02:40:53 PM
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/10/08/cdc-director-get-ready-for-a-twindemic-this-fall-n421147
 
 :facepalm:

That's a feature, not a bug. It means more lockdowns and masking, you know, doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2021, 03:42:46 PM

Young Americans for Liberty
@YALiberty
"Why do the "protected" need to be protected from the "unprotected" by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected in the first place?!"

https://twitter.com/YALiberty/status/1446134388496994304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F (https://twitter.com/YALiberty/status/1446134388496994304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Anathancole%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NwYWNlX2NhcmQiOnsiYnVja2V0Ijoib2ZmIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH19%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starshipstalker.com%2F)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 10, 2021, 11:28:37 AM
Wyoming high school student arrested for not wearing a mask at school:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/a-wyoming-high-school-student-refused-to-wear-a-mask-so-police-locked-down-the-entire-school-and-arrested-her

Of course, the entire school was placed on lockdown as well.

SMDH
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 10, 2021, 11:32:16 AM
Geez - even Wyoming is losing its mind?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 10, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/8/more-americans-have-died-covid-under-biden-trump-j/

Apparently, by the John Hopkins numbers, there have been more Covid deaths under the Biden admin than from Mar. to Dec. of 2020. Haven't gone through the #s from the source material yet.

Is that a result of the pandemic going endemic, and most of the country going back to business as usual in many respects? Or is the vaccine just not worth it? Is the new administration to blame?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on October 10, 2021, 02:06:29 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 10, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/8/more-americans-have-died-covid-under-biden-trump-j/

Apparently, by the John Hopkins numbers, there have been more Covid deaths under the Biden admin than from Mar. to Dec. of 2020. Haven't gone through the #s from the source material yet.

Is that a result of the pandemic going endemic, and most of the country going back to business as usual in many respects? Or is the vaccine just not worth it? Is the new administration to blame?

Only if it were a Republican one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on October 10, 2021, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 10, 2021, 11:28:37 AM
Wyoming high school student arrested for not wearing a mask at school:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/a-wyoming-high-school-student-refused-to-wear-a-mask-so-police-locked-down-the-entire-school-and-arrested-her

Of course, the entire school was placed on lockdown as well.

SMDH

To be fair, the student in question said she was seeking an arrest to provide standing for a lawsuit, and she had already recieved a trespass citation, so the arrest isn't that surprising or even out of line.

The lockdown seems a bit much.  If I were a betting man, I'd  say the administration did it so there were no kids with cellphones filming the arrest, in case it went bad, but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 10, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Aspirin may help with respiratory issues. The study was at George Washington University, but the Jerusalem Post had no links to the paper.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/aspirin-lowers-risk-of-covid-new-findings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on October 10, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
When this first started I joked that we didn't have enough information to k ow if we could even take aspirin with the bug.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 10, 2021, 10:08:29 PM
So, how long before sales of aspirin are prohibited?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 10, 2021, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on October 10, 2021, 10:08:29 PM
So, how long before sales of aspirin are prohibited?
Aspirin?  You mean that canine anti-inflammatory drug?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Sure, go ahead and take a risky drug that can cause gastric irritation and bleeding.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 11, 2021, 10:19:59 AM
If you read the article. The known mode of actions of aspirin on the human, does make sense on lowering the risks of blood clots due to some covid infections.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 11, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
I take a full strength aspirin tablet every day because of the known risk of Factor V Leiden.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on October 11, 2021, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: K Frame on October 11, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
I take a full strength aspirin tablet every day because of the known risk of Factor V Leiden.

I take a prescribed baby aspirin daily because of my congenital heart disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 11, 2021, 10:46:24 AM
I have been taking a daily enteric-coated 81 mg ASA tablet for decades.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 11, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
I drink Brawndo. It's got electrolytes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 11, 2021, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 11, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
I drink Brawndo. It's got electrolytes.

I finally saw that movie, about a week ago.  (been looking for it for a couple of years)  It's on youtube now:  https://youtu.be/0Tv5shB4Gg0
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on October 11, 2021, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 11, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
I drink Brawndo. It's got electrolytes.

I could really use a Starbucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 11, 2021, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on October 11, 2021, 12:41:56 PM
I could really use a Starbucks.

Does it have electrolytes?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 11, 2021, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 11, 2021, 04:38:02 PM
Does it have electrolytes?

No, but it does have hookers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 11, 2021, 05:27:01 PM
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/51/32/20/10855443/3/1200x0.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 11, 2021, 07:27:36 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/astounding-new-study-shows-using-a-pulse-oximeter-saves-covid-patients-lives/

Maybe we should all get ourselves a pulse oximeter for Christmas.  You can get a good one at Amazon for under $ 30.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 11, 2021, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 11, 2021, 07:27:36 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/astounding-new-study-shows-using-a-pulse-oximeter-saves-covid-patients-lives/

Maybe we should all get ourselves a pulse oximeter for Christmas.  You can get a good one at Amazon for under $ 30.

I've got a good finger one, but also have one built into my Fenix 5X watch. I have compared them enough to see that the readings vary by no more than 2%, usually 1%. I wear the watch 24/7 and have the O2 meter set to constant monitoring (vs  sleep monitoring). Eats more battery, but I like being able to monitor the levels on a 24 hour graph. It would be nice if it alarmed if levels dropped below a certain point. The watch has an "abnormal heartbeat" alarm, but nothing for the oximeter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 12, 2021, 07:51:53 AM
My Samsung S9 had a very neat sensor that took a bunch of biometric readings in conjunction with the Samsung Health app.

My new S20?

Nope.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 12, 2021, 07:53:02 AM
What I know about the covids...
 
It will swim upstream in beer taps, but only after 11pm.
 
It is attracted to building entrances, but is scared to death of dining tables.
 
It loves quarters, but isn't so worried about pennies (we can't get more than two rolls of quarters from our bank).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 12, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: Bogie on October 12, 2021, 07:53:02 AM
What I know about the covids...

It loves quarters, but isn't so worried about pennies (we can't get more than two rolls of quarters from our bank).

They say the problem with coins is that they're not recirculating the way they normally do. So it's supposed to be a problem of distribution; not supply. FWIW
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 12, 2021, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 12, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
They say the problem with coins is that they're not recirculating the way they normally do. So it's supposed to be a problem of distribution; not supply. FWIW
It would also help if they were silver coated also, but I doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on October 12, 2021, 02:28:59 PM
Better get your aspirins now before the hoarders drive the ready supply down and speculators drive the price up.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2021, 08:38:13 AM
Interesting story on testing methodology. I have no knowledge of biological tests like PCR, but in other scientific and statistical tests, cycles and iterations are certainly something to be well aware of, especially if there is some fairly linear and discrete cutoff that can change results.

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Regarding the diagnosis of COVID-19 through widely-used PCR tests, the senators said that the CDC and the FDA’s setting of one particular test parameter—the cycle threshold—generated “false positives resulting in inflated numbers of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.”

Harvard epidemiologist Dr. Michael Mina told The New York Times in August 2020 that tests with too high of a threshold may detect not just live viruses but also genetic fragments. Mina suggested setting the cut-off at 30 cycles or less.

Thatcher expressed concern over the cycle threshold of 28 when testing vaccinated individuals. According to the petition, a low cut-off is likely to “eliminate false positive results and thereby reduce the number of vaccine ‘breakthrough’ cases.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/oregon-senators-call-for-investigation-into-alleged-covid-19-statistical-manipulation_4044333.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 13, 2021, 10:49:23 AM
Psaki: Biden Wants To Use Pandemic To ‘Make Fundamental Change In Our Economy’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-biden-wants-to-use-pandemic-to-make-fundamental-change-in-our-economy?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member

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“The president wants to make fundamental change in our economy, and he feels coming out of the pandemic is exactly the time to do that,” Psaki said. “And if we don’t do it now, if we don’t address the cost of childcare, to go back to Josh’s question earlier, if we don’t address the climate crisis, if we don’t ensure that universal pre-k is a reality now, we’re not going to have the same opportunity to do it for some time.”

So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal.  And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject. 

I don't know if this is a case of "saying the quiet part out loud", but I always feel that 30 years ago a Democrat official would say the same thing, but in a much more subtle and more deniable way.  The left has very little subtlety these days. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2021, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on October 13, 2021, 10:49:23 AM
Psaki: Biden Wants To Use Pandemic To ‘Make Fundamental Change In Our Economy’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-biden-wants-to-use-pandemic-to-make-fundamental-change-in-our-economy?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal.  And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject. 

I don't know if this is a case of "saying the quiet part out loud", but I always feel that 30 years ago a Democrat official would say the same thing, but in a much more subtle and more deniable way.  The left has very little subtlety these days.

Trusting liars is always a dangerous proposition. I've opted out of trusting them.

It sucks being cynical about your rulers, I wished to believe the best of people, but the proof is in the puddin'. We're ruled by the evil, deceived and stupid for the most part.

It eliminates a lot of cognitive dissonance (see below) coming to terms with the reality. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 13, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
I went to Aldi yesterday, and about half the shelves were empty.  (there was plenty of TP, but I didn't need that)  It was kind of alarming.  They said they are having trouble getting supplied from their warehouse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on October 13, 2021, 11:43:18 AM
Aldi's business model is based on prioritizing low cost and high margin. It wouldn't surprise me if they can't get trucking for the price they want, they simply don't pay. I don't think there's much cheap trucking out there right now. All the truckers I know are telling me I should quit my job, buy a truck and go make $5k/week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 13, 2021, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: zahc on October 13, 2021, 11:43:18 AM
Aldi's business model is based on prioritizing low cost and high margin. It wouldn't surprise me if they can't get trucking for the price they want, they simply don't pay. I don't think there's much cheap trucking out there right now. All the truckers I know are telling me I should quit my job, buy a truck and go make $5k/week.
Is that for long haul cross country driving? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on October 13, 2021, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on October 13, 2021, 10:49:23 AM
Psaki: Biden Wants To Use Pandemic To ‘Make Fundamental Change In Our Economy’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-biden-wants-to-use-pandemic-to-make-fundamental-change-in-our-economy?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
So getting out of this pandemic may not be their primary goal.  And you wonder why some want to question everything that comes from the FedGov on this subject. 

I don't know if this is a case of "saying the quiet part out loud", but I always feel that 30 years ago a Democrat official would say the same thing, but in a much more subtle and more deniable way.  The left has very little subtlety these days. 

They don’t have to be subtle anymore. You can’t do jack *expletive deleted*it to stop them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 14, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
And... It looks like the casedemic is over...
 
So now, we get to deal with the fallout from the panicked overreaction to our media's acceptance of the Chinese propaganda...
 
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/7-day-covid-case-average-drops-nearly-40-in-missouri/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on October 14, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5qeq4z.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on October 14, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 13, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
I went to Aldi yesterday, and about half the shelves were empty.  (there was plenty of TP, but I didn't need that)  It was kind of alarming.  They said they are having trouble getting supplied from their warehouse.

How many Aldi's do you have in your area?  There are three Aldi's within three miles of each other and two Ruler's about the same distance.  Both stores have had some missing items but the Ruler and Aldi I usually go to (~1 mi. apart) were still well stocked as of last Saturday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 14, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
I didn't really see anything "missing" in mine, but...
 
There's less frozen chicken parts... Well, I didn't see any red bag... But I don't buy that. The "random stuff" freezer stuff wasn't quite as random. Nor were the Random Stuff aisles. Plenty of toilet paper, etc... Spent $100, got close to a month's worth of chow and covfefe and vino...
 
If you're gonna howl,  you gotta have the owl...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 14, 2021, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on October 14, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
How many Aldi's do you have in your area?  There are three Aldi's within three miles of each other and two Ruler's about the same distance.  Both stores have had some missing items but the Ruler and Aldi I usually go to (~1 mi. apart) were still well stocked as of last Saturday.

Two.  I went back today and there were still a lot of holes in the shelves, but not nearly as bad as a few days ago.  They are still out of several items that I've been looking for for weeks.  And I've been watching prices rise every week on things like frozen ground beef.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 14, 2021, 11:07:27 PM
Went to the HEB grocery store down here and didn't see anything unusual, or unusually missing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 15, 2021, 09:16:26 AM
On of our local grocery stores has periodic truckload sales on meat.  They also have a butcher shop in the back of the store, one of the few stores in the area that still have one.  Yesterday they were selling whole boneless NY Strips for $5.99 a pound.  It's a sure bet that is the last time we'll ever see that low a price locally.  I now have a dozen inch and a quarter thick NY Strip steaks in the freezer, well worth the $60 cost.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 15, 2021, 09:30:44 AM
"Yesterday they were selling whole boneless NY Strips for $5.99 a pound."

Occasionally... very occasionally, I'll see prices like that at one of the local grocery stores, but normally only on 3 lb.+ packs.

I rarely eat beef anymore, but the next time I see one of those on sale I may grab a pack.

But, my local chain has on sale this week Angus Choice chuck roasts for $3.99 a pound. That I'm going to jump on and grab a couple because winter is time for beef stew, beef boogaloo, and borscht, not to mention a slow cooker pot roast.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 15, 2021, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: K Frame on October 15, 2021, 09:30:44 AM
"Yesterday they were selling whole boneless NY Strips for $5.99 a pound."

Occasionally... very occasionally, I'll see prices like that at one of the local grocery stores, but normally only on 3 lb.+ packs.

I rarely eat beef anymore, but the next time I see one of those on sale I may grab a pack.

But, my local chain has on sale this week Angus Choice chuck roasts for $3.99 a pound. That I'm going to jump on and grab a couple because winter is time for beef stew, beef boogaloo, and borscht, not to mention a slow cooker pot roast.

Wife wants me to make a bunch of beef jerky for son-in-law's Christmas gift.  I looked at some beef round yesterday that was on sale for $4.99 a pound and just couldn't buy it; too much fat to trim off.  And I can buy decent beef jerky cheaper than that.  The sirloin tip roasts for $5.49 looked better, but I'm going to hold out for a better price somewhere.  Waiting might be a mistake.  I should probably talk to the butcher at the local store that still has one; see if he has any deals coming, or if he can make me a deal on a 30# box.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 15, 2021, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on October 15, 2021, 10:53:59 AM
Wife wants me to make a bunch of beef jerky for son-in-law's Christmas gift.  I looked at some beef round yesterday that was on sale for $4.99 a pound and just couldn't buy it; too much fat to trim off.  And I can buy decent beef jerky cheaper than that.  The sirloin tip roasts for $5.49 looked better, but I'm going to hold out for a better price somewhere.  Waiting might be a mistake.  I should probably talk to the butcher at the local store that still has one; see if he has any deals coming, or if he can make me a deal on a 30# box.

I've found that just about any cut of meat will make good jerky.  Any type of roast will work, and London Broil works well, too.  Having a good meat slicer takes a lot of the work out of the process, too. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 15, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
"and London Broil works well, too."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I don't know how it is where you are, but London Broil was on sale at my store last week...

For $7.99 a pound.

ON SALE.  :mad:

You do NOT want to know what skirt steak is bringing these days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 15, 2021, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: K Frame on October 15, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
"and London Broil works well, too."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I don't know how it is where you are, but London Broil was on sale at my store last week...

For $7.99 a pound.

ON SALE.  :mad:

You do NOT want to know what skirt steak is bringing these days.

It was $3.99 a pound for the truckload sale at the store I mentioned above.  SWMBO has commanded me to go get some for homemade beef jerky.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 15, 2021, 02:18:59 PM
Jesus, I'd fill my freezer at that price.

I LOVE London Broil, marinated, seared on the Weber and sliced for sandwiches.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 15, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
Interesting supercut regarding Joe Rogan, CNN, and "horse dewormer". I hope Rogan follows through and sues them.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1448986127545864199
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 15, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 15, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
Interesting supercut regarding Joe Rogan, CNN, and "horse dewormer". I hope Rogan follows through and sues them.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1448986127545864199

"I can afford people medicine, motherf***er!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 15, 2021, 05:36:08 PM
Some of the most interesting fallout from the 'Rona and attendant propaganda...
 
We already didn't trust politicians.
 
Quite a few people didn't trust the media.
 
And now a LOT of people are not trusting medical professionals. Not just about specifics, but as a generality.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 16, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 15, 2021, 01:59:25 PM
It was $3.99 a pound for the truckload sale at the store I mentioned above.  SWMBO has commanded me to go get some for homemade beef jerky.

I know it's hard to believe, but I made a mistake regarding the price of the London Broil.  It was actually $6.99 a pound.  It was chuck roast that was $3.99/lb.  I went back to that grocery store to get some and discovered the mistake.  I ended up with a large whole eye of round at $4.99/lb instead.  Beef jerky time!
I also got about a pound of pulled pork BBQ and some grape corn and caramel corn.  Yes, grape corn.  Like caramel corn but with a grape candy coating instead.  I'd never heard of such a thing.  They had just made a fresh batch in the deli and offered me a sample.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 16, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: Bogie on October 15, 2021, 05:36:08 PM

And now a LOT of people are not trusting medical professionals. Not just about specifics, but as a generality.

I've never completely trusted doctors.  Why?  Because they are just people doing a job.  Same as you and me.  Some are better at their jobs and some are worse.

What makes it more complicated, is that people are different in every way.  What works for you, may not work for me.  And since we generally don't have "family doctors" anymore, how in the hell can the guy at the Doc-in-a-Box know my history well enough to figure out a solution for my problem?  Answer: he can't.

The best the medical community can do is say, "it works for most people, most of the time, based on past history." 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 16, 2021, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 15, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
Interesting supercut regarding Joe Rogan, CNN, and "horse dewormer". I hope Rogan follows through and sues them.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1448986127545864199

(https://i.redd.it/dmepurv38vt71.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/9jdjwsk1wut71.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 16, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
If Trump touted the benefits of drinking a few glasses of water daily, we would have woke folk falling in the streets from dehydration.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on October 16, 2021, 10:51:45 PM
Maybe someone should suggest Trump do that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2021, 10:53:34 PM
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio?  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 16, 2021, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2021, 10:53:34 PM
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio?  =D

 :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on October 17, 2021, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2021, 10:53:34 PM
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio?  =D

And now you know the rest of the story.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 17, 2021, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on October 16, 2021, 10:53:34 PM
Who else remembers when Joe Rogan was that guy on News Radio?  =D

Great show.  I really liked the boss, Jimmy James, played by Stephen Root.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 17, 2021, 10:40:01 AM
Quote
Ruth Marcus
@RuthMarcus
In Madison, Wis. By now I should know better but: I get in elevator. It stops on lower floor. Man steps in, unmasked. Sign in elevator says masks required. Me, getting out: “you know, it would be really nice if you wore a mask.” Man: “I don’t care what you think.” America 2021.

Sounds like a guy for whom I would buy a beer. We need more of this in America 2021, not less.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/17/not-all-heroes-wear-capes-wapo-editor-whining-about-maskless-man-who-didnt-allow-her-to-nag-and-shame-him-goes-hilariously-wrong/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 17, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on October 17, 2021, 10:36:38 AM
Great show.  I really liked the boss, Jimmy James, played by Stephen Root.

Yes, not to mention Phil Hartman. Great cast all-around.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on October 17, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Ben on October 17, 2021, 10:40:01 AM
Sounds like a guy for whom I would buy a beer. We need more of this in America 2021, not less.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/17/not-all-heroes-wear-capes-wapo-editor-whining-about-maskless-man-who-didnt-allow-her-to-nag-and-shame-him-goes-hilariously-wrong/

I had a similar event happen at BOS airport last year.  The escalator was out of service, so I had to take the elevator to go down one floor.  I wait for the elevator along with one or two other people.  When the elevator doors open, a woman pushing a luggage cart gets in and I get in behind her.  This is a pretty big elevator, almost freight size.  She wants me to get off so she can ride the elevator by herself.  I tell her no.  She cusses me out and leaves in a huff.  I get a peaceful ride to the first floor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 18, 2021, 07:26:00 AM
Quote from: RocketMan on October 16, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
I know it's hard to believe, but I made a mistake regarding the price of the London Broil.  It was actually $6.99 a pound.  It was chuck roast that was $3.99/lb.  I went back to that grocery store to get some and discovered the mistake.  I ended up with a large whole eye of round at $4.99/lb instead.  Beef jerky time!
I also got about a pound of pulled pork BBQ and some grape corn and caramel corn.  Yes, grape corn.  Like caramel corn but with a grape candy coating instead.  I'd never heard of such a thing.  They had just made a fresh batch in the deli and offered me a sample.  Good stuff.

Dumbass... :rofl:

Yeah, even at $6.99 a pound, it's still too damned much for London Broil.

I'd pay that for Eye Round Roast, although grudgingly, because it does so well in the crock pot.

The last couple round roasts I bought went into the crock pot with a packet of Campbell's Tavern Pot Roast sauce.

10 hours on low and... so very good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 18, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
I guarantee that within the next 24 hours, this jackass is going to once again berate us all for not wearing masks everywhere (note that his servants do here):

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/18/its-a-miracle-joe-biden-apparently-did-shut-down-the-virus-after-all-at-least-for-him-and-jill-biden-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
He's not the only one. Note she's the only one without a mask
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1449848861057376256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
It's gotten to the point where's it's not that we're not suppose to notice, the curtain got pulled open on that a long time ago, but we're suppose to not say anything now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 18, 2021, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
He's not the only one. Note she's the only one without a mask
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1449848861057376256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TROGLODYTE! YOU DARE NOT QUESTION YOUR SUPERIORS!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 18, 2021, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
It's gotten to the point where's it's not that we're not suppose to notice, the curtain got pulled open on that a long time ago, but we're suppose to not say anything now.

It's called rubbing your nose in it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 03:17:43 PM
Forgot the last part
and if you do say something you're labeled a domestic terrorist
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 18, 2021, 04:25:56 PM
Bill Gates Violates All the Covid Science For Daughter's Wedding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WcHuvlCfyQ
Salty Cracker posted this a couple days ago.  At least it looks like many of the staff are not wearing masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 18, 2021, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
He's not the only one. Note she's the only one without a mask
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1449848861057376256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

But she has to be on TV, and hygiene is very important for her.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 18, 2021, 07:11:04 PM
More from Maskless Lightfoot

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot accuses Fraternal Order of Police of trying ‘to induce an insurrection’ by threatening to strike over vaccine mandates
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/18/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-accuses-fraternal-order-of-police-of-trying-to-induce-an-insurrection-by-threatening-to-strike-over-vaccine-mandates/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 18, 2021, 08:03:11 PM
Do  you drive a newer diesel?
 
Go get a box of DEF. Or two.
 
I had to call around today to find some for a customer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on October 18, 2021, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: Bogie on October 18, 2021, 08:03:11 PM
Do  you drive a newer diesel?
 
Go get a box of DEF. Or two.
 
I had to call around today to find some for a customer.

Oh that’s going to be *expletive deleted*ing great then

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 23, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
Another victim of C19

Quote
From CNN:

   The White House announced late Friday that it would further postpone the release of more documents related to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, pointing to the “significant impact” of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    President Joe Biden issued a memo that said the national archivist recommended he “‘direct two public releases of the information that has ultimately ‘been determined to be appropriate for release to the public.'” The first will be an “interim release” later this year, with a second, “more comprehensive release in late 2022,” the memo said.

    The memo said that the Covid-19 pandemic has slowed down the process of reviewing whether redactions continue to meet the “statutory standard.”
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/23/covid-19-strikes-again-this-time-preventing-the-release-of-the-jfk-assassination-files/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 24, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: Bogie on October 18, 2021, 08:03:11 PM
Do  you drive a newer diesel?
 
Go get a box of DEF. Or two.
 
I had to call around today to find some for a customer.

I got a guy..  Pay the man and delete that trash.  I was averaging 5-7K per year per truck on DEF of DPF related bullshit,  finally had enough.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 25, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/urology/erectiledysfunction/95229

The data is still too soft to make a hard connection between COVID and erectile dysfunction.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 25, 2021, 09:14:42 AM
Shameless puns, sir.  Shameless.    =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 26, 2021, 09:53:59 AM
Man Rams Car into Crowd Protesting Coronavirus Vaccine Mandates
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/25/man-rams-car-into-crowd-protesting-coronavirus-vaccine-mandates/

Quote
“A witness stated a man disagreed with the protest, entered his vehicle and intentionally drove toward the protesters,” Deputy Trina Schrader said in a statement. “The suspect then drove away westbound and out of view.”
He was arrested. 
Quote
The injured woman, who is in her 40s, was taken to a hospital because of injuries that were not life-threatening, Schrader said. Her name was not released.
Now I am curious how serious this was.  Gotta be video.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 27, 2021, 09:30:37 PM
Encouraging results in using fluvoxamine in treating COVID. Fluvoxamine is an inexpensive SSRI used to treat OCD and major depression.

Treatment with fluvoxamine (100 mg twice daily for 10 days) among high-risk outpatients with early diagnosed COVID-19 reduced the need for hospitalisation defined as retention in a COVID-19 emergency setting or transfer to a tertiary hospital.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(21)00448-4/fulltext#seccestitle180
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 27, 2021, 09:46:34 PM
Well, damn... They gonna outlaw that next...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on October 27, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Bogie on October 27, 2021, 09:46:34 PM
Well, damn... They gonna outlaw that next...

It's going to get labeled Cow blood pressure medicine or something along those lines and then ridiculed.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 28, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
Some things would be funny if they weren't true.

https://youtu.be/UPuAG07-5Yo

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 29, 2021, 11:31:14 AM
Well, Aldi was out of sweetener packets... Didn't see any splenda or equal analogs... They still had the powdered Splenda.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on October 29, 2021, 11:43:17 AM
I went to Fleet Farm yesterday (I was in the neighborhood) specifically to buy lemon drops.  1 pound bags of what appears to be Brach's candy rebranded as FF's for about $2.  They were out.  :horror:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 31, 2021, 11:39:20 AM
Meanwhile in NYC

26 FDNY firehouses out of service over vaccine mandate staff shortage
https://nypost.com/2021/10/30/fdny-firehouses-shuttered-over-vaccine-staffing-shortages/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 01, 2021, 02:33:01 PM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95333

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1003006/v1

Some previous studies on the benefits of ivermectin have data integrity issues and data on benefits of ivermectin do not hold up upon additional analysis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 05, 2021, 10:54:50 AM
Anyone have any knowledge what's in the pill?

Pfizer to seek authorization for its COVID-19 pill, said to cut hospitalization and death by 90%
https://www.wlky.com/article/pfizer-to-seek-authorization-for-covid-19-pill/38170618
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 05, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
https://gizmodo.com/pfizers-experimental-covid-19-pill-found-highly-effecti-1848003276

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59178291

A combination of a new antiviral and a protease inhibitor used to treat HIV. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 05, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
No doubt the pill will be extraordinarily expensive in the USA, and quite cheap overseas.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 05, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 05, 2021, 10:54:50 AM
Anyone have any knowledge what's in the pill?



POISON AND MIND CONTROL!

IT WILL MAKE YOU VOLUNTARILY WEAR A MASK AND VOTE FOR LIBERALS!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 05, 2021, 03:50:09 PM
Looks like the hospitals around here are plumb out of compassion, morality and humanity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 05, 2021, 05:19:44 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1456327890094620675
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 08:02:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDxLjYPUUAE3-nL?format=jpg&name=large)

For context, this is the Getty bazillionaire wedding. There were over 800 people. The justification was that they were all vaccinated. Sort of like Congress, where everyone is vaccinated and Pelosi is fining non-mask wearers thousands of dollars.

Interesting that vaccines are 100% effective in preventing covid in some settings, and only the same as flu vaccines in others.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 10, 2021, 08:55:51 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 10, 2021, 08:02:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDxLjYPUUAE3-nL?format=jpg&name=large)

For context, this is the Getty bazillionaire wedding. There were over 800 people. The justification was that they were all vaccinated. Sort of like Congress, where everyone is vaccinated and Pelosi is fining non-mask wearers thousands of dollars.

Interesting that vaccines are 100% effective in preventing covid in some settings, and only the same as flu vaccines in others.
...but the vaccine mandate doesn't apply to Congress and congressional aides right?  I heard that a while back.  Not sure if it actually happened.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 10, 2021, 09:14:02 AM
Correct.  The Executive Branch can't mandate the Legislative Branch or it's employees.  That said, Pelosi has some sort of rules in place for masks for House members and their staff.  She could mandate the House (probably?  It might need a vote) to be vaccinated, but I don't believe she has done so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 09:08:52 AM
Austria has just gone to full lockdown, including for vaccinated people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 19, 2021, 09:09:22 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/health/covid-origins-market-theory/index.html

The fish market.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 19, 2021, 09:49:59 AM
Wasn't just a fish market. They sold all sorts of bush meat... They're highlighting a fish vendor ("Don't mention bats, whatever you do..."), but do you think that he might like a little variety?
 
It is entirely plausible that a lab worker sold off a bunch of "to be destroyed" beefs...

Couple that with the ridiculous "rejected by grade c horror movies" videos that our media just purely loved...
 
I particularly like the style of the one at about 0:45 where the "guy who died right there" breaks his fall and wiggles to be more comfy.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html
 
The bottom line: Don't like being lied to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 19, 2021, 05:58:17 PM
Using data from our city health dept dashboard as of today:

71.28% of COVID-19 cases are in age ranges 49 years and under.
93.9% of all deaths are in age ranges 50 years and over and in what is essentially a very steep Bell Curve centered somewhere around 75-80 yrs of age.

Overall average mortality rate: 1.3%
Average mortality rate, 49 years and younger: 0.12%
Average mortality rage, 50 years and older: 4.40%

No mention of co-morbidities or contributing factors.

https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4d4ca75991f6424892bc04a3f873f009

Brad
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 19, 2021, 06:23:06 PM
And you're using only PART of the data set of the most infectious bug EVAR...
 
The reported cases.
 
All the people who didn't catch it - or maybe couldn't catch it - don't matter. All the people who shrugged off a mild snifflie? That doesn't matter.
 
Here in St. Louis, we still have over 99.8% of our population wandering around doing weird things... Same for most of the rest of the country.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 20, 2021, 01:40:17 PM
The case against masking:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/the_utter_orwellian_stupidity_of_masks_on_airplanes.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 21, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: Brad Johnson on November 19, 2021, 05:58:17 PM
Using data from our city health dept dashboard as of today:

71.28% of COVID-19 cases are in age ranges 49 years and under.
93.9% of all deaths are in age ranges 50 years and over and in what is essentially a very steep Bell Curve centered somewhere around 75-80 yrs of age.

Overall average mortality rate: 1.3%
Average mortality rate, 49 years and younger: 0.12%
Average mortality rage, 50 years and older: 4.40%

No mention of co-morbidities or contributing factors.

https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4d4ca75991f6424892bc04a3f873f009 (https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/4d4ca75991f6424892bc04a3f873f009)

Brad

That's because - narrative -.

Woody
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2021, 04:11:04 PM
Well, "Omicron" is phonetically close to "Omega".  :laugh:

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviemusic.com%2Fimgcover%2F285%2Fomegaman.gif&f=1&nofb=1)

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-variant-b-1-1-529-heres-what-we-know

Pfizer says 100 days to a new vaccine.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden has banned travel to the US from select countries. Which makes this dig of his against Trump a little awkward:

Quote
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden

United States government official
A wall will not stop the coronavirus.

Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.

This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2021, 04:28:58 PM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/FQyFJNXNRx6De/200.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on November 26, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
They sure do like to pull these names right out of their asses to try to stir up fear don’t they?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 27, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
Too early for concrete evidence, but it appears the omicron variant is very mild. It will be interesting to see severity of lockdown for a variant that actually might fit Bogie's "it's just a cold" thesis.

New shutdowns for something that creates a couple days of lethargy would be pretty ridiculous. This (again, if initial research is accurate) would be a good case for letting people just get it and gain some natural, robust antibodies that might help them with a future more serious variant.

I don't know why the quoted doctor used the word "unusual". For me and most people I know or have read about that have had covid, lethargy is a very common symptom of all the current strains.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/south-african-doctor-omicron-variant-symptoms-unusual-mild
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 27, 2021, 09:33:35 PM
Damn, but I love the words "asymptomatic" and "variant."
 
They're nice and big and haven't been used all that much up until now.
 
The common cold has always mutated. That is why we haven't seen a vaccine for it.
 
And there are a whole bunch of bugs in that extended family...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 28, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/

It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 28, 2021, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 28, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/

It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.

Kind of like the … flu or colds?

It’s well past time to treat Covid as endemic rather than as a pandemic.  Encourage jabs, just like for seasonal flu, and otherwise stop obsessing over it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 28, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 28, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/

It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.

And yet there are plenty of recent studies that make the opposite case.  What and who are we to believe?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 28, 2021, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 28, 2021, 11:53:57 AM
Kind of like the … flu or colds?

It’s well past time to treat Covid as endemic rather than as a pandemic.  Encourage jabs, just like for seasonal flu, and otherwise stop obsessing over it.

If Omicron is an indication, it's becoming milder in order to survive (can't propagate if you keep killing your hosts), so it would seem moving it to "cold and flu" status. versus "lockdown" status, would make sense. Most all of my past colds and flus have been worse than the symptoms they are currently stating for Omicron. If I catch it, I'll stay in the house for a day, resting and binging Netflixc, then go on about my business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on November 28, 2021, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 28, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
And yet there are plenty of recent studies that make the opposite case.  What and who are we to believe?

In either case, the answer is the same.

Immunity lasts = normal life again

Immunity fades = oh, well = normal life again
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 28, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
I just got back from a run to Trader Joe's in the city. Unlike what I've been seeing for the past at least half year in the cities here, there were WAY more masked people than unmasked people. Like maybe 70/30.

I only get to TJ's maybe a couple times a year anymore, so I have no idea if this is just the TJ hippie clientele's culture or if people are reacting to the Friday news of Omicron. I usually stay away from the big box stores between now and Christmas, but if I get to any of them in the next couple weeks I'll have to see if the city folk are reacting to the Omicron or if this was just the TJ's crowd.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on November 28, 2021, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 28, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.19.21266555v1

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/protection-offered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity-study-suggests/

It is becoming more clear that COVID immunity, whether by vaccine or infection, has a shelf life and fades over time.

It's an accepted fact that some vaccinated people are getting infected and sick from covid-19 despite being vaccinated.

On the other hand I'm not seeing or hearing much in the way of reinfections resulting in persons getting ill anywhere.

As a matter of fact the last time I looked the CDC was calling reinfections incredibly rare ... but still get jabbed anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on November 28, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
I want to know why they are skipping all over the Greek alphabet? They had a perfect opportunity to name this new variant Xi and let it pass by. Pussies!!

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 28, 2021, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: BobR on November 28, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
I want to know why they are skipping all over the Greek alphabet? They had a perfect opportunity to name this new variant Xi and let it pass by. Pussies!!

bob

The CDC released a big explanation on that. They skipped "Nu" because they were afraid people would think it was a new virus, and they skipped "Xi" because, I quote, "A lot of people in the world have that surname and we didn't want to offend anyone." Yeah - a lot of people, but we can bet dollars to donuts they were only concerned with one Xi.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on November 28, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 28, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
And yet there are plenty of recent studies that make the opposite case.  What and who are we to believe?

 I think the evidence is irrefutable!
 we have to only trust people like rocketman, bogie, ben and other great thinkers here at APS
 if i had taken the great advice i have gotten here , i would be a lot better off today!

 after nearly two weeks close to death with the covid, my new plan is to get all the ducks in a row for the next time.
bottled oxygen, learn this tech device thing that measures oxygen and learn how to use it, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, D3 and zinc etc and learn how to use it .

 After that I plan to urge we nuke red China over and over again until we are sure the red menace is defeated
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on November 28, 2021, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ron on November 28, 2021, 02:18:49 PM
On the other hand I'm not seeing or hearing much in the way of reinfections resulting in persons getting ill anywhere.
I personally know several.

One is likely up to three times (at least she lost her sense of smell again, didn’t bother to get tested the third go-round).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 28, 2021, 08:52:39 PM
I know one person who caught it while at chemo. She was in her seventies, two kinds of cancer, and MS...
 
Didn't make it.
 
My friend Kay got her booster shot. Died a couple-three days later.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on November 28, 2021, 10:33:00 PM
Bogie - my condolences on the loss of your friend Kay.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on November 28, 2021, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on November 28, 2021, 10:33:00 PM
Bogie - my condolences on the loss of your friend Kay.

same bro, sorry!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 29, 2021, 12:27:32 PM
Holy crap. I'd rather die of the covids than turn into this. Props to Walmart for banning him from their store.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464437031917002757
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 29, 2021, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 29, 2021, 12:27:32 PM
Holy crap. I'd rather die of the covids than turn into this. Props to Walmart for banning him from their store.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464437031917002757

It really hurts to think how far into the sewer my home state has descended.  I was back in Tigard about a month ago visiting family.  We went to a few restaurants while I was there, and some folks unreasoning fear of the beer virus was palpable.  Unfortunately, that fear was also exhibited by some of my relatives.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 29, 2021, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on November 29, 2021, 12:33:05 PM
It really hurts to think how far into the sewer my home state has descended.  I was back in Tigard about a month ago visiting family.  We went to a few restaurants while I was there, and some folks unreasoning fear of the beer virus was palpable.  Unfortunately, that fear was also exhibited by some of my relatives.

Same with me and when I talk to people from CA. It's two different worlds, and each one thinks the other is nuts. I just prefer my flavor of nuts because while there might be more risk, there's a heck of a lot more freedom.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on November 29, 2021, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 29, 2021, 12:42:38 PM
Same with me and when I talk to people from CA. It's two different worlds, and each one thinks the other is nuts. I just prefer my flavor of nuts because while there might be more risk, there's a heck of a lot more freedom.

I don't have to go nearly that far to find the different varieties of nuts. Here in rural NV a mere 60 miles or so from the big city of Las Vegas the attitudes are quite different. There is a small but growing group in LV that are beginning to see the light and realize the only way to get to it is to not comply with whatever mask mandates are in place where they want to go.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 29, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: BobR on November 29, 2021, 01:02:02 PM
I don't have to go nearly that far to find the different varieties of nuts. Here in rural NV a mere 60 miles or so from the big city of Las Vegas the attitudes are quite different. There is a small but growing group in LV that are beginning to see the light and realize the only way to get to it is to not comply with whatever mask mandates are in place where they want to go.

bob


Oh, certainly Boise is different than where I am, but the folks I talk to in CA are just way out there. Even people I know there that I have always considered reasonable. It's amazing what local culture and media can do.

California just seems to have really gone all in. Even liberal people I talk to in Germany are not as fanatical as semi-conservative people I talk to in CA. And again, these are people that I always thought had a good head on their shoulders. It's not even like they are pro-mandates, they are just brainwashed into "of course mandates are the only answer" and they just go along with it all almost involuntarily. They are simply shocked that I go places maskless and have not taken the jab.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 29, 2021, 01:14:07 PM
I am about 45 miles north of Seattle in a small town that is largely a bedroom community for Everett and King County.  In 2019, the area had a median age of 39 years and a median income of $ 83,000. This area is purplish with the moderate Republicans dominating local and state legislative positions. 

In my travels to the local retail and other business establishments, I would say about 60% of people follow the state mask mandates, and the people who do so are typically middle-aged on up.  What I don't encounter are people harassing other people about their masking choices, so I applaud the live and let live attitude.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2021, 01:08:18 PM
I don't spend much time looking at national covid stats, but I've been following the stats in St Louis County, MO, where I live. The numbers for this fall are so far very far short of this time last year. Our highest recorded number of new cases in one day was 1,174, on 19 November, last year. On 19 November this year, there were 240 new cases recorded. The same day last year, there were 16 Covid deaths recorded, versus 1 this year. (Our record number of deaths in one day was 25, which was a few weeks after 19 November last year.)

Granted, you could say I’m cherry-picking, but I’m really just giving an example illustrative of the trend. My source:

https://stlouiscountymo.gov/st-louis-county-departments/public-health/covid-19/covid-19-data-reports/
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on November 30, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2021, 01:08:18 PM
The numbers for this fall are so far very far short of this time last year. Our highest recorded number of new cases in one day was 1,174, on 19 November, last year. On 19 November this year, there were 240 new cases recorded. The same day last year, there were 16 Covid deaths recorded, versus 1 this year. (Our record number of deaths in one day was 25, which was a few weeks after 19 November last year.)

Thanks to the Trump vaccines?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2021, 04:56:39 PM
I go into work yesterday, after the Thanksgiving break, and half the conversation seems to be about a newly-invented Greek letter (they've never heard of omicron). It's dotard all over again.  :facepalm:  Thanks, television.


Quote from: DittoHead on November 30, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
Thanks to the Trump vaccines?


Quite possibly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 30, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
This is Omicron from when I was younger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFNjCIPXsAMk4SH?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on November 30, 2021, 05:50:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/health/molnupiravir-pill-covid-fda-advisers/index.html

First oral med for COVID is recommended for approval by the FDA.  Additional data is showing that it is not as effective as originally hoped.  FDA approval is nonetheless expected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 30, 2021, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 29, 2021, 12:27:32 PM
Holy crap. I'd rather die of the covids than turn into this. Props to Walmart for banning him from their store.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464437031917002757

We get those - It's called the Covid Dance... If they are not 200% happy with your "precautions" they dance and flit everywhere to avoid the covids...
 
"Why aren't you wearing a mask?"
 
"Why aren't you wearing two masks?"
 
"Where are your gloves?"
 
"Do  you have a free mask for me?"
 
"Where is the hand sanitizer?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 30, 2021, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2021, 01:08:18 PM
I don't spend much time looking at national covid stats, but I've been following the stats in St Louis County, MO, where I live. The numbers for this fall are so far very far short of this time last year. Our highest recorded number of new cases in one day was 1,174, on 19 November, last year. On 19 November this year, there were 240 new cases recorded. The same day last year, there were 16 Covid deaths recorded, versus 1 this year. (Our record number of deaths in one day was 25, which was a few weeks after 19 November last year.)

Granted, you could say I’m cherry-picking, but I’m really just giving an example illustrative of the trend. My source:

https://stlouiscountymo.gov/st-louis-county-departments/public-health/covid-19/covid-19-data-reports/
 

Here is St. Louis City, which is separate from the County... Generally lower average income, etc...
 
They have been working pretty hard to keep folks freaking out.
 
IMHO, the number of "cases" doesn't matter, especially how they've been pushing testing, especially since (a) some folks still think it means safety to get tested, and (b) some folks get repeated tests before they are allowed to go back to work.
 
What matters is the fatality rate.
 
The OVERALL population fatality rate for STL City is currently under 99.8%, including nursing home, long-term-care, skilled nursing facilities, and hospice patients.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 30, 2021, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on November 30, 2021, 05:50:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/health/molnupiravir-pill-covid-fda-advisers/index.html

First oral med for COVID is recommended for approval by the FDA.  Additional data is showing that it is not as effective as originally hoped.  FDA approval is nonetheless expected.

Why not trial ivermectin, HCQ, etc?  They’re cheap, and safety at certain doses is known from decades of use for other purposes, so only question is efficacy.  If they don’t work it’ll put to bed a lot conspiracy theories, at least among those that pay attention to such studies.  Instead all we get is that such treatments are “unproven” and, oh! here’s a new and massively expensive drug that is actually unknown as to long term safety.

Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs.  In fact, I heartily support that development.  But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going.  Probably because that is what they’re doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on November 30, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 30, 2021, 06:09:05 PM
Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs.  In fact, I heartily support that development.  But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going.  Probably because that is what they’re doing.

I read that as a naked monkey and power grab.  Thought, "there's a colorful phrase I've never heard before"   :laugh:  I should probably select a larger font...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 30, 2021, 06:09:05 PM
Why not trial ivermectin, HCQ, etc?  They’re cheap, and safety at certain doses is known from decades of use for other purposes, so only question is efficacy.  If they don’t work it’ll put to bed a lot conspiracy theories, at least among those that pay attention to such studies.  Instead all we get is that such treatments are “unproven” and, oh! here’s a new and massively expensive drug that is actually unknown as to long term safety.

Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs.  In fact, I heartily support that development.  But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going.  Probably because that is what they’re doing.

Like these?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30464-8/fulltext

The UK PRICIPLE Study doesn't have their Ivermectin results back yet, but they are running the study:
https://www.principletrial.org/

This is the pre-publication study that started the Ivermectin Buzz, but as you can see it was withdrawn:
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v3
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2021, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on November 30, 2021, 06:09:05 PM
Why not trial ivermectin, HCQ, etc?  They’re cheap, and safety at certain doses is known from decades of use for other purposes, so only question is efficacy.  If they don’t work it’ll put to bed a lot conspiracy theories, at least among those that pay attention to such studies.  Instead all we get is that such treatments are “unproven” and, oh! here’s a new and massively expensive drug that is actually unknown as to long term safety.

Not saying they shouldn’t develop those new drugs.  In fact, I heartily support that development.  But it makes it look like a naked money and power grab the way they’re going.  Probably because that is what they’re doing.
And it shouldn't matter if they are highly effective or not.  They probably won't be as effective as some people think.  If they can be used safely, what is the problem?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 01, 2021, 09:19:54 AM
Also: https://ivmmeta.com/

That said, the interesting thing to me is the presumption in reporting.  For ivermectin the presumption seems to be that it is both ineffective and dangerous which must be disproven by new testing.  For new drugs the presumption is that they are effective and safe, until disproven by testing.

Regardless of whether or not ivermectin is effective in the treatment of COVID, it does have an excellent safety record.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 01, 2021, 09:23:08 AM
IMO, the efficacy of various drugs used off-label for Covid is based on political science as much as medical science.  I think most of the few studies performed are done to elicit a desired outcome.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
I noticed that quite a few studies seemed to be testing the Bad Bad Drugs as antivirals in later-stage patients, rather than as prophylactics regarding the symptoms in earlier-stage patients...
 
They want them to be what they are not. And they are not antivirals.
 
And that is all political - the objective is to discredit ANYTHING that Trump said/did, even if coached to say so by the swamp creatures in the CDC...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
Is it possible that the insistence in some corners that Ivermectin helps COVID despite (at best) conflicting, low quality results be the political science in this particular case?  There have been lots of  [not great] trials done over the last year or so, some done as an anti-viral, some done as prophylactic, some vs placebo, some vs standard of care, and many other permutations.  There's no real evidence it helps.

I agree that it has a pretty solid safety history, and if you and your Dr. want to include it as a "kitchen sink" drug regimen, that should be between you and your Dr., but I see no vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things.  As always, the media tends to hew more to a narrative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
Given that the bug isn't all that fatal outside people who are already hanging out in Death's Waiting Room, except for some nontypical responses, that could account for some of the positive test stuff...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
Given that the bug isn't all that fatal outside people who are already hanging out in Death's Waiting Room, except for some nontypical responses, that could account for some of the positive test stuff...

So you agree it the drug probably doesn't do anything useful for COVID-19?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
Thing is, we don't know that... Too much noise, too many folks looking for preconceived results.
 
Generally touted by the same people who insist that Trump told people to inject bleach or lysol...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
Once a drug has been approved by the FDA for any indication, a physician is able to prescribe it for 'off-label' use in accordance with their clinical judgment.  The majority of physicians only prescribe off-label meds if there is generally recognized medical consensus as to the safety and efficacy of the medication for a particular use.  That medical consensus usually comes from the literature and recommendations from professional groups.  This approach has been followed for many decades in the US and is not particularly new or novel pertinent to COVID. 

Although many here would disagree, at this time there is no such consensus for the use of ivermectin and HCQ for COVID in the United States.  Very few physicians are therefore writing prescriptions for it.  Many physicians who do have faced disciplinary action on the grounds that they are outside the standard of care. One of the reasons for the ongoing studies is to see if such a consensus pro or con can be reached.  The consensus or regulatory findings of other countries can be interesting, but do not establish the standard of care in the United States, although they can contribute to reaching the consensus in the United States.

The suggestions that Dr. Welby at the corner clinic is in the pay of Big Pharma or the CDC to suppress ivermectin, HCQ or injectable bleach are simply tinfoil. It is very true that one year's fringe therapy may very well become the future standard of care, but equally true that one year's standard of care becomes the future fringe therapy based on further research.  See Thalidomide for an example.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 11:41:14 AM
And Thalidomide is still pursued in oncology...
 
Celecoxib showed efficacy in colorectal oncology.
 
The thing today is that the "science is settled," and seeing if something might work will get your career canceled...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 01, 2021, 11:45:35 AM
Anyone read about the new pill they just gave the ok to? I don't have the link handy I read about early this morning. Expensive and doesn't work very well but that's ok.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 01, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
Once a drug has been approved by the FDA for any indication, a physician is able to prescribe it for 'off-label' use in accordance with their clinical judgment.  The majority of physicians only prescribe off-label meds if there is generally recognized medical consensus as to the safety and efficacy of the medication for a particular use.  That medical consensus usually comes from the literature and recommendations from professional groups.  This approach has been followed for many decades in the US and is not particularly new or novel pertinent to COVID. 

Although many here would disagree, at this time there is no such consensus for the use of ivermectin and HCQ for COVID in the United States.  Very few physicians are therefore writing prescriptions for it.  Many physicians who do have faced disciplinary action on the grounds that they are outside the standard of care. One of the reasons for the ongoing studies is to see if such a consensus pro or con can be reached.  The consensus or regulatory findings of other countries can be interesting, but do not establish the standard of care in the United States, although they can contribute to reaching the consensus in the United States.

The suggestions that Dr. Welby at the corner clinic is in the pay of Big Pharma or the CDC to suppress ivermectin, HCQ or injectable bleach are simply tinfoil. It is very true that one year's fringe therapy may very well become the future standard of care, but equally true that one year's standard of care becomes the future fringe therapy based on further research.  See Thalidomide for an example.

This statement is very telling - Many physicians who do have faced disciplinary action on the grounds that they are outside the standard of care.. Medical professionals don't have to be directly, one on one influenced by Big Pharma or the CDC to be influenced by them.

Can anyone tell me why there is no basic standard home "treatment" for a covid diagnosis other than "Go home and try not to die, but if you get worse and start to die come back so you can die in the hospital" ? 
Any suggestion of a treatment is met with howls of derision from the usual suspects denying the treatment is a cure and calling for anyone that dare suggest a treatment be figuratively (at best) burned at the stake of political expediency.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on December 01, 2021, 11:50:20 AM

Can anyone tell me why there is no basic standard home "treatment" for a covid diagnosis other than "Go home and try not to die, but if you get worse and start to die come back so you can die in the hospital" ? 
Any suggestion of a treatment is met with howls of derision from the usual suspects denying the treatment is a cure and calling for anyone that dare suggest a treatment be figuratively (at best) burned at the stake of political expediency.

I feel like we have had this discussion *several* times, but once again, there is such a standard.

Behold: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/nonhospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/

Quote from: from above link
Symptom Management
Symptomatic treatment includes using over-the-counter antipyretics, analgesics, or antitussives for fever, headache, myalgias, and cough. Patients with dyspnea may benefit from resting in the prone position rather than the supine position.1 Health care providers should consider educating patients about breathing exercises, as severe breathlessness may cause anxiety.2 Patients should be advised to drink fluids regularly to avoid dehydration. Rest is recommended as needed during the acute phase of COVID-19, and ambulation and other forms of activity should be increased according to the patient’s tolerance. Patients should be educated about the variability in time to symptom resolution and complete recovery.

...

Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Monoclonal Antibodies
Two combination anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody (mAb) products (bamlanivimab plus etesevimab and casirivimab plus imdevimab) and a single mAb (sotrovimab) have been shown to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death in the outpatient setting in those with mild to moderate COVID-19 symptoms and certain risk factors for disease progression. As a result, these products have received Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of COVID-19 in these individuals, as well as in those with other risk factors for progression that have been identified in population-based studies. There are no comparative data to determine whether there are differences in clinical efficacy or safety between these products.

The Panel recommends using one of the following anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAbs to treat outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk of clinical progression, as defined by the EUA criteria (treatments are listed in alphabetical order, and they may change based on circulating variants):

Bamlanivimab plus etesevimab; or
Casirivimab plus imdevimab; or
Sotrovimab


If blood O2 starts to drop there are more recommendations and drugs/treatment for patients requiring supplemental oxygen.  As I mentioned before, at least here in Tampa, if you show up at the hospital with Symptomatic COVID, they slap a bluetooth O2 meter on your wrist, sync it to your phone and show you how to check it before they send you home.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
Around here, someone gets a positive test, they basically get sent home and told to come back in if they get worse.
 
And that's about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
Around here, someone gets a positive test, they basically get sent home and told to come back in if they get worse.
 
And that's about it.

^^^Hospitals are dangerous places, and if they can't do anything for you, it is best to stay out of them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 01, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
^^^Hospitals are dangerous places, and if they can't do anything for you, it is best to stay out of them.

There is a reason I haven't been to the oncologist since right before this crap started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 12:40:51 PM
The one person who I know who died with it was over 70, very frail, with two kinds of cancer and MS, and they think she caught it while in for chemo.
 
Nosocomial.

99.8% overall survival of the greek letter disease... Can't call it the Chinese Flu anymore, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 01, 2021, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
Is it possible that the insistence in some corners that Ivermectin helps COVID despite (at best) conflicting, low quality results be the political science in this particular case?

I think it is almost certain that politics have played a significant role in evaluating ivermectin in both directions.  I do agree that some people have reacted viscerally against the obvious and repeated lies being told about ivermectin and its proponents by more strongly tying themselves to its efficacy.  I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who had to try and defend scientific purity and righteousness when it comes any evaluation of COVID treatments or policies.

Quote from: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
I agree that it has a pretty solid safety history, and if you and your Dr. want to include it as a "kitchen sink" drug regimen, that should be between you and your Dr.,
You are not a horse.  You are not a cow.  Seriously, dogmush.  Stop it.

Quote from: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
but I see no vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things.  As always, the media tends to hew more to a narrative.
You phrased your statement very carefully, and I agree that there is not likely to be a "vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things."

That said, there has without a doubt been a widespread, effective, and seemingly coordinated campaign against ivermectin - not focused on its lack of efficacy, but it's safety and appropriateness as a medication for humans at all.  I have had reasonable, intelligent people who learned about ivermectin primarily from traditional sources tell me that they were shocked when they finally found out that ivermectin was not just a veterinary medicine, but regularly prescribed to people.  Certainly this is being executed by the media (news and otherwise), but even the FDA has gotten in on that game.

So while I agree that the researchers themselves aren't likely the source of the single-minded media narrative branding it as strictly horse dewormer, mocking people who use it, etc., I'm also not convinced that they (or their potential test subjects) are completely immune to being impacted by the cultural campaign of disinformation and lies.

This campaign may not be so much intended to be anti-ivermectin but in service of the monotheistic worship of the COVID vaccine as the One True Way and the fear that if people believe there are other possible treatments they won't jump on the COVID vaccine bandwagon.

Again, I'm not convinced that ivermectin is the best answer, or even a good answer to COVID, but I am acutely aware that the campaign against it was not in any way based on science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 12:40:51 PM

Nosocomial.


One of the reasons that I was so enthusiastic for the immunes was the fact that every work day I am in a building filled with sick people and opportunistic infections.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 01, 2021, 12:45:33 PM

You phrased your statement very carefully, and I agree that there is not likely to be a "vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things."

I don't think that there was a vast conspiracy to fix the 2020 election - but I do think that a whole lot of people "did what they thought was right."
 
I mean, everyone KNEW that the earth was flat, and that the sun and stars revolved around it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 01, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on December 01, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
There is a reason I haven't been to the oncologist since right before this crap started.

Not doing your preventative visits to the Oncologist is your call but cancer is an insidious beast. I have taken the precautions needed and kept up my oncology visits, which is a good thing in my case or maybe not so good, it is a hard call to make. IMO people with a potentially fatal disease should continue their regular checkups for that particular disease. YMMV

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 01, 2021, 01:06:45 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
One of the reasons that I was so enthusiastic for the immunes was the fact that every work day I am in a building filled with sick people and opportunistic infections.

You work in Congress?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 01, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
Is it possible that the insistence in some corners that Ivermectin helps COVID despite (at best) conflicting, low quality results be the political science in this particular case?  There have been lots of  [not great] trials done over the last year or so, some done as an anti-viral, some done as prophylactic, some vs placebo, some vs standard of care, and many other permutations.  There's no real evidence it helps.

I agree that it has a pretty solid safety history, and if you and your Dr. want to include it as a "kitchen sink" drug regimen, that should be between you and your Dr., but I see no vast suppression conspiracy among the medical folks that actually research these things.  As always, the media tends to hew more to a narrative.

There have been studies that show ICQ and Ivermectin do have a positive effect for treatment of Covid patients.  And there have been studies showing the opposite.  Dueling studies, absolutely.  And again, I think many of the studies were driven by politics more than science, with the researchers wanting a desired outcome for whatever reason(s).
I agree there is no vast suppression conspiracy among medical folks.  However, many of the people involved are of the same political and/or cultural, emotionally driven mindsets.  With them thinking much alike, it is not unexpected for them to work individually toward the same ends.
To me, claiming that many things are nut job conspiracy theories is kind of like saying everything under the sun is racism.  It's such an overused claim that it has lost much of its validity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: BobR on December 01, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
Not doing your preventative visits to the Oncologist is your call but cancer is an insidious beast. I have taken the precautions needed and kept up my oncology visits, which is a good thing in my case or maybe not so good, it is a hard call to make. IMO people with a potentially fatal disease should continue their regular checkups for that particular disease. YMMV

bob

I was due for my "every five years because heredity" ass *expletive deleted*ing, but put it off this year because of all the screeching in this state that med services were overwhelmed, plus as Millcreek said, I like to stay out of packed hospitals if I can avoid it.

I probably should still schedule it though, maybe for early next year, or else at least take the whatchyamacallit test. Regardless of medical staffing issues, I think I might only do the colonoscopy no more than two more times. It's my non-medical opinion, but I'm starting to work the odds on number of invasive tests versus probability of nicking something I don't want nicked. At the rates the polyps grow, if I stop at 70, I should be dead of something else before the (that) cancer gets me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Worth the read:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/12/01/i-have-been-stunned-doctor-who-first-idd-omicron-variant-has-a-must-read-op-ed-taking-on-govt-over-reactions/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 01, 2021, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 01, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
I agree there is no vast suppression conspiracy among medical folks.  However, many of the people involved are of the same political and/or cultural, emotionally driven mindsets.  With them thinking much alike, it is not unexpected for them to work individually toward the same ends.
To me, claiming that many things are nut job conspiracy theories is kind of like saying everything under the sun is racism.  It's such an overused claim that it has lost much of its validity.

The sun is racist too, now.  HTH ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 01:23:58 PM
My 2nd turn is this year...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 01:58:08 PM
I'm just the guy who sells auto parts. I'm not a doctor or a scientist, or...
 
oh, wait...
 
I spent 10 years in the of the most high-powered research labs of the Fortune 500, and then 100, big pharma, doing what amounted to technical/research publishing/communication.
 
Which included vetting the data BEFORE people who would be asking awkward questions would see it. I was one of the people who could, and did, call project leads, or even C-level execs, and say "Uh... did you _really_ mean to say this?" And... I was right more often than not.
 
And when I saw the first 'Rona numbers, and this is a theme that has prevailed throughout the past "two weeks to flatten the curve," my first reaction was "why aren't they presenting all the data?" Because that wouldn't fly.
 
Politicians won't admit that they may have overreacted. The media won't until it becomes a thing. They're going to keep doubling down, using our money, our lives, and our childrens' futures...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 01, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
I was due for my "every five years because heredity" ass *expletive deleted*ing, but put it off this year because of all the screeching in this state that med services were overwhelmed, plus as Millcreek said, I like to stay out of packed hospitals if I can avoid it.

I probably should still schedule it though, maybe for early next year, or else at least take the whatchyamacallit test. Regardless of medical staffing issues, I think I might only do the colonoscopy no more than two more times. It's my non-medical opinion, but I'm starting to work the odds on number of invasive tests versus probability of nicking something I don't want nicked. At the rates the polyps grow, if I stop at 70, I should be dead of something else before the (that) cancer gets me.

Ben, in consideration of your history, talk to your provider about if Cologuard is a reasonable alternative for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2021, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Ben, in consideration of your history, talk to your provider about if Cologuard is a reasonable alternative for you.

Thanks, I'll check into this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 01, 2021, 02:41:25 PM
We're all gonna die!

Quote
A person in California who had been vaccinated against COVID-19 became the first in the U.S. to have an identified case of the omicron variant, the White House announced Wednesday as scientists continue to study the risks posed by the new virus strain.

Dr. Anthony Fauci told reporters that the person was a traveler who returned from South Africa on Nov. 22 and tested positive on Nov. 29. Fauci said the person was vaccinated but had not received a booster shot and was experiencing “mild symptoms.”

First US case of COVID-19 omicron variant identified in California
https://www.wave3.com/2021/12/01/omicron-keeps-world-jittery-more-information-drips-out/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2021, 02:45:33 PM
"That's a different issue."

Science, y'all!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/01/peter-doocy-backs-dr-anthony-fauci-into-an-extremely-tight-corner-with-question-about-testing-requirements-for-everybody-entering-the-us-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on December 01, 2021, 02:47:26 PM
I am just happy that the first person to get it was vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 01, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 01, 2021, 02:45:33 PM
"That's a different issue."

Science, y'all!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/01/peter-doocy-backs-dr-anthony-fauci-into-an-extremely-tight-corner-with-question-about-testing-requirements-for-everybody-entering-the-us-video/

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/720/Who_Are_You_Who_Are_So_Wise_In_The_Ways_Of_Science_Banner.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 01, 2021, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 01, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
I was due for my "every five years because heredity" ass *expletive deleted*ing, but put it off this year because of all the screeching in this state that med services were overwhelmed, plus as Millcreek said, I like to stay out of packed hospitals if I can avoid it.

I probably should still schedule it though, maybe for early next year, or else at least take the whatchyamacallit test. Regardless of medical staffing issues, I think I might only do the colonoscopy no more than two more times. It's my non-medical opinion, but I'm starting to work the odds on number of invasive tests versus probability of nicking something I don't want nicked. At the rates the polyps grow, if I stop at 70, I should be dead of something else before the (that) cancer gets me.

I am like you, I am on a 5 year schedule and will probably only do one, maybe two more. By then if my particular form of incurable cancer hasn't gotten me I figure I can outlive any colon cancer. The reason I keep my oncologist appointments is because it can go from indolent (slow growing) to extremely aggressive at the drop of a hat. As it is I have been doing visits every 4 months since this started and have yet to have the Covid  : =)  so it must be avoiding me as I am also usually maskless in public.

If I did not have an active disease but was just doing screening exams I would be tempted to put them off also. I have worked in hospitals, people go there to die all the time! ;)

bob

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/severe-covid-infection-doubles-chances-of-dying-in-following-year-study

https://gizmodo.com/many-severe-covid-19-survivors-go-on-to-die-within-a-ye-1848144418

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.778434/full

You have a twice higher risk of death within the year of having a severe covid infection.  It will be interesting to see additional studies on this.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
And how are severe covid infections treated? Could the higher risk of mortality be linked to the treatment?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 01, 2021, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 01, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
And how are severe covid infections treated? Could the higher risk of mortality be linked to the treatment?

And how many of the severe covid infections are a result of contracting covid on top of already existing co-morbidities that are still there following survival from severe covid.

too many questions.


bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
You could try reading the study, it might answer some of those questions.....

Quote from: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.778434/full
Methods: An analysis of electronic health records (EHR) was performed for a cohort of 13,638 patients, including COVID-19 positive and a comparison group of COVID-19 negative patients, who were followed for 12 months post COVID-19 episode at one health system. Both COVID-19 positive patients and COVID-19 negative patients were PCR validated. COVID-19 positive patients were classified as severe if they were hospitalized within the first 30 days of the date of their initial positive test. The 12-month risk of mortality was assessed in unadjusted Cox regressions and those adjusted for age, sex, race and comorbidities. Separate subgroup analyses were conducted for (a) patients aged 65 and older and (b) those <65 years.

....


Outcome Variables
The primary outcome investigated in this study was the 365-day all-cause mortality rate. Mortality data was sourced both from EHR data and the Social Security Death Index (SSDI), allowing for the assessment of deaths which occurred outside of UF's healthcare system. When conflicting dates of death were observed between the EHR and SSDI, the date recorded in the patient's medical record was used. Patients who died within their 365-day follow-up window were censored at the date of their recorded death. Patients who died within the first 30 days of their baseline COVID-19 test were excluded from the analysis as well patients whose mortality status was unknown. Based on previous literature regarding organ systems affected by COVID-19 and likely complications, additional analyses on condition-specific mortality were performed for cardiovascular or respiratory-related causes of death (8–10). As the cause of death was not directly recorded in the either the SSDI or EHR, causes of death were estimated algorithmically. For patients who were hospitalized within the 30 days preceding their death, a patient was considered to have died of a cardiovascular, or respiratory-related condition if an ICD-10 code corresponding to one of these conditions was associated with an inpatient encounter. The targeted conditions investigated as cardiovascular outcomes were myocardial infarction, heart failure, and stroke. The respiratory conditions were pneumonia, hypoxemia, and acute respiratory distress syndrome. The ICD-10 codes used to define these outcomes are given in Table 1.

....

Among patients under 65, a greater significantly increased risk of death between severe COVID-19 and no COVID-19 was observed. The ratio of hazard ratios derived from the interaction between age-grouping and severe COVID-19 was statistically significant (HRR = 1.62; 95% CI: 1.05, 2.51), suggesting that patients under 65 with severe COVID-19 have a higher mortality risk than patients aged 65 and older with severe COVID-19 relative to patients with no COVID-19.

....

The number of deaths when attempting to classify them by cause of death indicated the majority of patients who had COVID-19 died of other causes than respiratory or cardiovascular.

Obviously it's one study, and like Millcreek I'd be interested in if this correlation continues with more people, but it seems like they at least thought of your concerns and attempted to isolate for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Australian Police ARREST Three Binjari Quarantine Camp Escapees, Australia Pushes DESPERATE Cover Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhPSP15XDQ

Multiple People Escape From a Totally Not Coof Concentration Camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKxczRYl0qs
 :laugh:

News link:
Teenagers from remote NT community arrested after escape from Howard Springs COVID quarantine facility
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-01/multiple-people-escape-howard-springs-quarantine-facility-darwin/100663994

Quote
At a COVID update press conference, NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner confirmed the teenagers, aged 15, 16 and 17, tested negative for the virus yesterday.

He said all three were from the Binjari community near Katherine and had been sent into quarantine as close contacts of positive cases.

(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/22e214301ad2eafbb9f7fd053ae6bd3e?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=3333&cropW=5000&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=575)
Just a resort hotel. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 01, 2021, 04:58:32 PM
Looks just like the last hotel I stayed in.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 01, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
Looks like North Fort Hood.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on December 01, 2021, 07:06:23 PM
My son has recovered  from the ‘vid. Despite being constantly pressured at the University to get vaccinated, he hasn’t, and the Covid gave him a scratchy throat and a cough for a couple of days.
He just got a notice in the mail that he has to be vaccinated by Jan 3rd for his campus job because of the Biden Executive order. I told him to ignore that bullshit, there is no legal mandate for vaccination from Biden.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2021, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: brimic on December 01, 2021, 07:06:23 PM
My son has recovered  from the ‘vid. Despite being constantly pressured at the University to get vaccinated, he hasn’t, and the Covid gave him a scratchy throat and a cough for a couple of days.
He just got a notice in the mail that he has to be vaccinated by Jan 3rd for his campus job because of the Biden Executive order. I told him to ignore that bullshit, there is no legal mandate for vaccination from Biden.
Medically, don't the recommend a pretty good delay between recovering from the 'vid and getting one of the vaccines?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: brimic on December 01, 2021, 07:49:21 PM
Yes. However, the university and the city he lives in is run by liberal lunatics.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
These nuts are actually agreeing that, "Yes, it IS just like nazi Germany, except we're going after the right bad people."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/02/david-frum-apparently-sees-the-wisdom-in-hitlers-policies-in-nazi-germany-just-substitute-unvaccinated-for-jews/

Because it's not like almost everybody who has the Omicron has also been vaccinated.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 02, 2021, 11:54:49 AM
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/germany-puts-unvaccinated-people-in-lockdown-aims-to-make-vaccination-compulsory/?fbclid=IwAR1EyGdwknnxCjAZ7A5IvhHaywwHE-V8wOR_LfT5CAIkPOgIuVxOBVmayMQ

Germany puts unvaccinated people in lockdown.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
I guess we need a little yellow Star of David with a V with a slash through it in the middle.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2021, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 02, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
These nuts are actually agreeing that, "Yes, it IS just like nazi Germany, except we're going after the right bad people."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/02/david-frum-apparently-sees-the-wisdom-in-hitlers-policies-in-nazi-germany-just-substitute-unvaccinated-for-jews/

Because it's not like almost everybody who has the Omicron has also been vaccinated.
That just shows that those people know exactly what they are doing.  They just don't think it is bad since they are in charge and people they don't like are the oppressed.  Perfect self justification.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 02, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 01, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Ben, in consideration of your history, talk to your provider about if Cologuard is a reasonable alternative for you.

My wife is due for her 5-year check. They set her up with the Cologuard "*expletive deleted*it-in-a-box" kit. Just got it yesterday. Should be good for some yucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 02, 2021, 01:56:15 PM
Time for the nukular option.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 02, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 02, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
These nuts are actually agreeing that, "Yes, it IS just like nazi Germany, except we're going after the right bad people."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/02/david-frum-apparently-sees-the-wisdom-in-hitlers-policies-in-nazi-germany-just-substitute-unvaccinated-for-jews/

Because it's not like almost everybody who has the Omicron has also been vaccinated.

It's OK to punch a Nazi, and OK to turn a Not-vaxed into a lampshade.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 02, 2021, 05:36:16 PM
Not a study but found this story interesting.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-ivermectin-treatment
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 02, 2021, 05:49:05 PM
Also not a study, but a Washington state PA has his license suspended after at least one of his patients dies after using ivermectin.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95106

https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/1379388313.pdf

https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/386005440.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 02, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
Today, I am of the opinion that if a peer-reviewed study surfaced showing that Ivermectin or HCQ or, heavens forbid, the combination was a cure for cancer, the FDA, CDC, and at least 50% of our politicians, and over 3/4 of our media, would announce that cancer is good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 02, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
What if they suspended the licenses of every physician who had a patient die after administering a med?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2021, 06:12:21 PM
I was not aware of this:

Quote
South Carolina Republican Rep. Ralph Norman on Thursday introduced legislation that could force the Food and Drug Administration to release all documents relating to the coronavirus vaccine within the next 100 days.

The legislation is a direct response to a request made last month by the federal agency to prolong releasing data on COVID vaccines for up to 55 years.

"How does a vaccine that receives approval in 108 days now require 55 years just to release information?" Norman said to Fox News. "It sounds like the beginning of a very bad joke."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-norman-fda-covid-vaccine-data-100-days

Is this a standard FDA practice? Holding data for 55 years makes no sense to me. Holding it for 55 days makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
On post-covid Parosmia:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/long-covid-cases-bad-smells-tastes

The mention of the one girl and the shower was interesting to me, as shower water smells weird to me too. I didn't know more people had that symptom. In my case, it smells kinda H2S-like or Sulphur-like. Also though I can smell bacon again, it smells slightly different, as if there is a chemical-like back odor to it. Which goes for a few of both my phantom smells and "different" smells for stuff I smelled normally before. Everything that still doesn't smell right to me has some chemical secondary odor ranging from very slight to moderate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 02, 2021, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 02, 2021, 05:49:05 PM
Also not a study, but a Washington state PA has his license suspended after at least one of his patients dies after using ivermectin.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95106

https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/1379388313.pdf

https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/PDF/386005440.pdf

How come they don't suspend licenses when the patient dies from the "approved" treatment? Was the patient at the point of last ditch effort? Not really enough detail to tell us if the patient would have died with or without the politically unapproved treatment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 03, 2021, 02:46:44 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 02, 2021, 06:12:21 PM
I was not aware of this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-norman-fda-covid-vaccine-data-100-days

Is this a standard FDA practice? Holding data for 55 years makes no sense to me. Holding it for 55 days makes no sense to me.

The default length of time for Top Secret documents to be declassified is only 25 years.   :O
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 09:22:37 AM
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/research-game-changer-spike-protein-increases-heart-attacks-and-destroys/

Well, it's been nice knowing you, folks. I had the two Pfizer shots in January, so I guess I'm on borrowed time.

What's disappointing to me is that, despite all the evidence piling up that these vaccines are dangerous, the government is doubling down on insisting that everyone HAS to be vaccinated. And they are really pushing the boosters -- I received another text message from the VA this morning, asking if I want a booster.

And the UK is now recommending a booster every three months!
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/uk-health-authorities-now-advise

It's a good thing the science is settledTM, so we can all know exactly what choices we should make.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 03, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
Court Orders FDA To Comply With FOIA and Release Information On Pfizer Vaccine – First Batch of Documents Shows Over 1,200 Vaccine Deaths WITHIN FIRST 90 DAYS
https://federalinquirer.com/court-orders-fda-to-comply-with-foia-and-release-information-on-pfizer-vaccine-first-batch-of-documents-shows-over-1200-vaccine-deaths-within-first-90-days/

Quote
According to an official Pfizer document that is titled Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Records Reports, in just the first 90 days of the vaccine’s roll out under the FDA’s EUA – from December 1st. 2020 – February 28th, 2021 – there were TENS OF THOUSANDS of reported adverse reactions, including OVER 1200 DEATHS.

Quote
The report only included adverse events to the vaccine that researchers considered “serious cases,” there were thousands more submissions that were left out of this data.

Any cases deemed “non-serious” would be processed within 90 days, but this report was released before 90 days of Pfizer’s vaccine being available had even passed.

There are some more statistics in the report.  At first glance, I don't see where it says how many total vaccines were administered to get a percentage. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 09:22:37 AM
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/research-game-changer-spike-protein-increases-heart-attacks-and-destroys/

So here is the actual Circulation abstract cited on the unz site.  Read it and see if you agree with Mr. Whitney's interpretation of it about increasing heart attacks and destroying the immune system.

ARTERIOSCLEROSIS, THROMBOSIS, VASCULAR BIOLOGY
SESSION TITLE: DAMPS, INFECTION AND CARDIOVASCULAR METABOLISM
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
This article has an expression of concern
Abstract
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2021, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 03, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
Court Orders FDA To Comply With FOIA and Release Information On Pfizer Vaccine – First Batch of Documents Shows Over 1,200 Vaccine Deaths WITHIN FIRST 90 DAYS
https://federalinquirer.com/court-orders-fda-to-comply-with-foia-and-release-information-on-pfizer-vaccine-first-batch-of-documents-shows-over-1200-vaccine-deaths-within-first-90-days/


So I read this and the first question I have is the number of deaths reported proven to have a causal relationship to the vaccine?  I see in the 'methodology' section that the Pfizer database contains cases reported of serious adverse events 'regardless of causality  assessment.'.  So in other words, this database is like VAERS, where anyone can report anything as an adverse event and it may or may not actually be caused by the vaccine.  I am not impressed by the statistical rigor of these numbers as showing a cause and effect between the vaccine and adverse events.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 03, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2021, 10:07:39 AM
So I read this and the first question I have is the number of deaths reported proven to have a causal relationship to the vaccine?  I see in the 'methodology' section that the Pfizer database contains cases reported of serious adverse events 'regardless of causality  assessment.'.  So in other words, this database is like VAERS, where anyone can report anything as an adverse event and it may or may not actually be caused by the vaccine.  I am not impressed by the statistical rigor of these numbers as showing a cause and effect between the vaccine and adverse events.
It is incomplete, just something reported early on.  There are more adverse reactions not considered serious as well.  I presume more data will be forthcoming as they are forced to release more of the documentation.  Honestly, all this should already be public information.  The companies are shielded from liability.  The price of that should be 100% transparency. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 03, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 03, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
So here is the actual Circulation abstract cited on the unz site.  Read it and see if you agree with Mr. Whitney's interpretation of it about increasing heart attacks and destroying the immune system.

ARTERIOSCLEROSIS, THROMBOSIS, VASCULAR BIOLOGY
SESSION TITLE: DAMPS, INFECTION AND CARDIOVASCULAR METABOLISM
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
This article has an expression of concern
Abstract
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

If you clink on the "this article has an expression of concern" link there you are taken to this:

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This article expresses concern regarding abstract “Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning” which originally published November 8, 2021; https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712.

Soon after publication of the above abstract in Circulation, it was brought to the American Heart Association Committee on Scientific Sessions Program’s attention that there are potential errors in the abstract. Specifically, there are several typographical errors, there is no data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration, there are no statistical analyses for significance provided, and the author is not clear that only anecdotal data was used.

We are publishing this Expression of Concern until a suitable correction is published to indicate that the abstract in its current version may not be reliable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 03, 2021, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 03, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
The companies are shielded from liability.  The price of that should be 100% transparency.

Agree. Even if they need time to clean up data before releasing it, 55 years is a little bit long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2021, 11:36:42 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/which-booster-shot-is-best-study-of-7-covid-vaccines-pinpoints-the-effects-of-each/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext

Pfizer and Moderna appear to give the highest level of antibodies within 28 days when used as a booster. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 03, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
It is incomplete, just something reported early on.  There are more adverse reactions not considered serious as well.  I presume more data will be forthcoming as they are forced to release more of the documentation.  Honestly, all this should already be public information.  The companies are shielded from liability.  The price of that should be 100% transparency.

But then they'd lose the moral high ground they are claiming in trying to force every person on the face of the planet to be "fully vaccinated" -- a definition that's changing on a regular basis. Some countries now don't consider anyone to be fully vaccinated unless they've had a recent booster shot. The UK is now pushing for (or requiring -- don't remember which) booster shots every THREE MONTHS.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 03, 2021, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
But then they'd lose the moral high ground they are claiming in trying to force every person on the face of the planet to be "fully vaccinated" -- a definition that's changing on a regular basis. Some countries now don't consider anyone to be fully vaccinated unless they've had a recent booster shot. The UK is now pushing for (or requiring -- don't remember which) booster shots every THREE MONTHS.

No, they aren't.  You might want to reread that article.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/uk/uk-booster-vaccine-expansion-omicron-gbr-intl/index.html

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-booster-vaccine/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 03, 2021, 04:50:35 PM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/12/03/but-they-have-free-wifi-video-from-australias-howard-springs-covid-quarantine-camp-debunks-the-whole-its-a-vacation-resort-narrative-watch/

I'm sure someone will be along to say that's what resort hotels look like down under.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 03, 2021, 08:51:35 PM
What kind of autoimmune reactions are people seeing?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on December 04, 2021, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
But then they'd lose the moral high ground they are claiming in trying to force every person on the face of the planet to be "fully vaccinated" -- a definition that's changing on a regular basis. Some countries now don't consider anyone to be fully vaccinated unless they've had a recent booster shot. The UK is now pushing for (or requiring -- don't remember which) booster shots every THREE MONTHS.

Naturally !!
You have to keep getting your "fix", don't you?   :facepalm:  [barf]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 05, 2021, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 03, 2021, 08:51:35 PM
What kind of autoimmune reactions are people seeing?

The vax causes both of my middle fingers to stiffen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2021, 08:24:21 AM
Oregon is looking at a "permanent" (which they also call "indefinite") mask mandate.

I'd be interested in hearing what our members in Western OR are seeing. There is very little compliance in places in Eastern OR that I frequent. Certainly not a single retail establishment, including stores from major chains, which usually fold to this stuff, has signs out, let alone employees telling people to wear masks. Mostly I go to Ontario, OR, which is likely the largest and (because of the pot shops) the most liberal Eastern OR city (unless the Bend area is considered Eastern OR).

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-health-authority-moves-to-implement-permanent-indoor-mask-mandate
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
A new paper with an interesting supposition: The Omicron mutation may have happened in someone who had both SARS covid and HCOV - a common cold - at the same time. It picked up genetic material from the cold virus, allowing it to propagate better, albeit it with milder cold-like symptoms.

The story seems to further suggest it might have happened in an individual who was HIV positive, as South Africa has the largest number of HIV positive people in the world.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-variant-may-have-picked-up-piece-common-cold-virus-2021-12-03/

https://osf.io/f7txy/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 05, 2021, 07:00:21 PM
I went shopping at a real store, instead of my normal Aldi tonight. I could get some half'n'half...
 
Damn thing was full of covid dancers, took forever to get some pepperoni (only available was in the deli), and then had to check myself out. With a bottle of bourbon.
 
"Hi there! Santa needs your okay! He says you've been a good girl!"
 
Yeah. People looked.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2021, 11:44:54 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/483yjd.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2021, 07:51:41 AM
The UK is looking to implement new restrictions due to Omicron.

I may have missed it, but every reputable article I have read on Omicron has emphasized how mild it is. It appears to be less worrisome than any flu, or even colds, yet many countries are treating it like the Alpha version. Most people in the world are going to end up getting covid. Of all the mutations out there, this seems to be a mild one that also (according to a couple of papers I read) will also give you effective natural antibodies to fight more dangerous mutations.

https://www.ft.com/content/bd0a637e-3e2b-4637-9548-d9eac1e20838
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 08, 2021, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 02, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
On post-covid Parosmia:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/long-covid-cases-bad-smells-tastes

The mention of the one girl and the shower was interesting to me, as shower water smells weird to me too. I didn't know more people had that symptom. In my case, it smells kinda H2S-like or Sulphur-like. Also though I can smell bacon again, it smells slightly different, as if there is a chemical-like back odor to it. Which goes for a few of both my phantom smells and "different" smells for stuff I smelled normally before. Everything that still doesn't smell right to me has some chemical secondary odor ranging from very slight to moderate.

Missed this article until just this morning. Four months out and I still have smell distortion. Mine is mostly a chemical smell now. Initially I was experiencing sewer gas smells also. Like a trap under a sink was dry.

Walking into a new room and especially pump hand soaps trigger my anosmia. The chemical smell is even detectible on my hands for awhile after washing. Walking into a new space will usually trigger a faint reaction. Food rarely triggers unusual odors when it's in front of me. Cooking going on while I'm in another room will trigger it though. I still don't have 100% normality in taste, pretty close though, I can enjoy food again.

There are a handful of other long covid symptoms I'm experiencing as well. Generally they manifest themselves if I push too hard on the physical exercise. 

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2021, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 08, 2021, 09:06:18 AM
Missed this article until just this morning. Four months out and I still have smell distortion. Mine is mostly a chemical smell now. Initially I was experiencing sewer gas smells also. Like a trap under a sink was dry.

That chemical smell that so many of us end up with is very interesting to me. I guess I would have thought distortions would be more "natural" smells.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 08, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: Ron on December 08, 2021, 09:06:18 AM
Missed this article until just this morning. Four months out and I still have smell distortion. Mine is mostly a chemical smell now. Initially I was experiencing sewer gas smells also. Like a trap under a sink was dry.

Walking into a new room and especially pump hand soaps trigger my anosmia. The chemical smell is even detectible on my hands for awhile after washing. Walking into a new space will usually trigger a faint reaction. Food rarely triggers unusual odors when it's in front of me. Cooking going on while I'm in another room will trigger it though. I still don't have 100% normality in taste, pretty close though, I can enjoy food again.

There are a handful of other long covid symptoms I'm experiencing as well. Generally they manifest themselves if I push too hard on the physical exercise.
You mention hand soaps, does it do it with other soaps like Lava?  Just wondering if it is the added perfumes and stuff put in hand soaps that trigger it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 08, 2021, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 08, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
You mention hand soaps, does it do it with other soaps like Lava?  Just wondering if it is the added perfumes and stuff put in hand soaps that trigger it.

Only pump hand soaps. Dish soap or bar soap I haven't noticed anything. Though I do use unscented Dove with no perfumes so I cannot speak to all bar soaps.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 08, 2021, 06:17:14 PM
I have heard the supposition that some of the smell distortion comes from certain detectors coming back online before others. This causes you to smell only the component of the full smell which is supported by those detectors. This isolation of certain single component smells you have learned to associate with chemicals instead of natural things which tend to be a combination of chemicals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 08, 2021, 06:46:04 PM
My store is down to under a dozen gallons of diesel oil... And the Mobil One stuff is pretty sparse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 08, 2021, 08:45:52 PM
A little  humor....

(https://i.imgur.com/1r5QAyj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bGzJn6J.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 09, 2021, 01:41:16 PM
The FDA now wants 75 years to release the data on how it approved a drug in 108 days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on December 09, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on December 09, 2021, 01:41:16 PM
The FDA now wants 75 years to release the data on how it approved a drug in 108 days.

Bro just trust the science bro nothing at all suspicious to see here bro we are the only ones professional enough to approve vaccines with widespread and serious side effects just trust us
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 09, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on December 09, 2021, 01:41:16 PM
The FDA now wants 75 years to release the data on how it approved a drug in 108 days.
Didn't the judge make them release 500 pages a month?  It will still take that long for all of it to be released, but now they can piecemeal it out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on December 09, 2021, 03:42:53 PM
The FDA should release all of the data at once.  They are free from prosecution and even if the data shows the vaccines are dangerous, the FDA can blame Trump since he was the president at the time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 09, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
If the government wants to hold back the design for their death ray for 75 years, I get classified stuff. Holding back ANYTHING about stuff they are telling people to put in their bodies is criminal. That should all be available to everyone, immediately.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Sawdust on December 10, 2021, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 09, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
If the government wants to hold back the design for their death ray for 75 years, I get classified stuff. Holding back ANYTHING about stuff they are telling people to put in their bodies is criminal. That should all be available to everyone, immediately.

This forum needs a 'Like' button...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
But if you question ANYTHING, you are an uneducated bumpkin denier.
 
I guess I'm one, who spent over a decade poring over research data, looking for mistakes...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 10, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
But if you question ANYTHING, you are an uneducated bumpkin denier.
 
I guess I'm one, who spent over a decade poring over research data, looking for mistakes...

I know you like to say that your former colleagues thought you had a Ph.D, but you don't, do you?  Do you have any academic credentials in STEM or healthcare that make you an expert on the subject?  Or are you self-taught?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
I guess I'm just a dumb bumpkin. My media and political statistics courses probably didn't transfer anything at all to the medical field. I should just sit back and accept that being lied to is a good thing.
 
We should all believe in this.
 
I particularly like the guy at about 0:45 who hesitates a little, and then assumes a more comfortable position.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
I guess I'm just a dumb bumpkin. My media and political statistics courses probably didn't transfer anything at all to the medical field. I should just sit back and accept that being lied to is a good thing.
 
We should all believe in this.
 
I particularly like the guy at about 0:45 who hesitates a little, and then assumes a more comfortable position.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html

I think Millcreek's question was apt.  There is nothing wrong with being self-taught or learned on-the-job, although it doesn't carry much weight if you present yourself as an expert rather than just knowledgeable, or publish something.

I like that video too =)

Edit: tried to fix awkward sentence.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 01:35:00 PM
What did I learn while in the labs?
 
Don't lie.
 
Don't stretch the truth.
 
Don't hide data that you don't like.
 
Don't massage the data to get the result you want.

Anecdotes are not data.
 
The bureaucrats may not figure it out, but trial lawyers will.

I guess that's dumb.
 
Maybe I got dumb since I was younger, and tested at over 150 Stanford-Binet. Maybe the whole geek syndrome thing has led me to ignoring the real statistics. Maybe the courses I took in investigative journalism (major was PR) were useless. Maybe the time I spent working for the consulting group, and then the research labs was all a dream. I should put on my Level IV biohazard mask (that came in a package that said "not for medical use") and go look for people dying in the streets.

Only body that was in the street near my place had been shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 10, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
There are perhaps people in St. Louis that expect to see bodies in the streets, but as far as I know there are none on APS, so why do you keep bringing them up?  In every one of the several COVID threads on this site, whenever we try and have some kind of balanced conversation you jump in with "the media says people are dying in the streets!!!REEE!"  Fine.  *expletive deleted*ing camp out on the media website's comments sections and accuse them of scare mongering, but no one here is doing that, so maybe get a new response?


Also, FWIW, the Daily Mail is unreliable enough that Wikipedia does not allow it as a source, so I'd take that article and video with a whole damn salt lick.  Elvis is not singing at alien birthday parties either.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
What am I learning here?
 
Elmer Keith didn't have a degree in ballistics.

The Wright Brothers were not aeronautical engineers.

Bill Gates was a dropout.

Bumblebees cannot fly.

HR managers don't care about experience  - they want to see education and numbers that will cover their asses. I remember seeing a help wanted ad a while back that was asking for five years of experience using a Windows iteration that had been released the year before...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
People still WANTED to believe...

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/01/24/2188257/disturbing-footages-show-people-collapsing-in-virus-hit-chinese-city-of-wuhan

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/wuhan-to-coventry-tracking-coronavirus-in-pictures/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10808633/coronavirus-wuhan-zombieland/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-wuhan-barricades/in-china-walled-up-wuhan-awaits-life-beyond-the-barricades-idUKKBN21G0I9

And are still believing.

About hospitals being overwhelmed... by dancing zombies?

How giant cobbled together facilities costing millions of dollars, but which saw few patients, were instrumental in saving lives?

How taking the patients, who should have been isolated, and shuffling them into facilities, which should have been isolated, was the optimum solution?

And if you're gonna do a video call into work, make sure you leave your pants off...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 02:06:58 PM
I'm not sure who you are arguing with now
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 10, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
No.



One.




Here.



Believes.



That.




Who are you talking to?  Or are you just yelling into the void?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 02:27:05 PM
Okay. The cases are gonna kill everyone. You win.
 
Make sure you wear gloves when you go out too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 10, 2021, 03:04:18 PM
I don't think dogmush, zxcvbob, or MillCreek are taking that position, Bogie.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 03:25:26 PM
Trust the media. Trust the bureaucrats. Trust the politicians.
 
Believe. Because your betters insist. You horrible essentials need to mask up, and take care of them. Where are your gloves? I want to speak with your manager.
 
This horrible thing can only be stopped from destroying everything if we destroy everything.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
As it is, gloves are now on a back shelf, and are reserved for customers who we know need them for chemical protection - because the covid dancers seem to love the damn things. Then again, I've also seen cloth gloves and welding gauntlets...

Still having problems sourcing respirator stuff.

Thank the deities that the damn fools haven't started repurposing coffee filters yet.

But hey, what do I know... I'm just dumb.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:02:05 PM
Maybe some of y'all aren't in the same sort of political area I'm in... The handwavium around here is extreme. There's a restaurant near me which still MANDATES (they love that word...) that you wear a mask from the door to your table, but then you're perfectly okay... The tame essentials wear their masks proudly. I went in a cell phone store the other day to inquire about something - the kid, wearing a chin mask, was downright rude when he told me that I had to go out and put on a mask to spend money there.
 
Chin mask. Sigh.

The local media seems to love case counts. Never mind that 16 people died WITH the 'rona here (with no release about demographics...) in the city since November 1 - it's the rising number of CASES!
 
I have a cow orker who proclaims that if he catches it, he's going to die (and he's had it once already, but natch...). And he uses it as an excuse to be rude to anyone who doesn't fit his definition of safe (young, female, not tweaking,,, much...) to tell them to "back off!" He also refuses to install batteries, headlights, and so on. Maybe he'll catch something. And he calls me an "old man" while I'm carrying one out to a customer car...

The hipsters love their masks. It shows that they care. We've also got a lot of low-info folks around here. They believe everything they see on television.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:02:05 PM
Maybe some of y'all aren't in the same sort of political area I'm in... The handwavium around here is extreme. There's a restaurant near me which still MANDATES (they love that word...) that you wear a mask from the door to your table, but then you're perfectly okay... The tame essentials wear their masks proudly. I went in a cell phone store the other day to inquire about something - the kid, wearing a chin mask, was downright rude when he told me that I had to go out and put on a mask to spend money there.
 
Chin mask. Sigh.

The local media seems to love case counts. Never mind that 16 people died WITH the 'rona here (with no release about demographics...) in the city since November 1 - it's the rising number of CASES!
 
I have a cow orker who proclaims that if he catches it, he's going to die (and he's had it once already, but natch...). And he uses it as an excuse to be rude to anyone who doesn't fit his definition of safe (young, female, not tweaking,,, much...) to tell them to "back off!" He also refuses to install batteries, headlights, and so on. Maybe he'll catch something. And he calls me an "old man" while I'm carrying one out to a customer car...

The hipsters love their masks. It shows that they care. We've also got a lot of low-info folks around here. They believe everything they see on television.

Now I'm confused.  Has anyone disagreed with you on any of that?   I am getting really tired of hearing about cases here in Minnesota.  Tell me about hospitalizations; that's a useful number.  The governor is talking about sending home test kits to everybody.  I'm sure that's to keep the "case" count up because otherwise the numbers are not sustainable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
According to the City administration's web page, there have been 755 hospitalizations in the past 14 days.
 
No word on how many of them were "we're going to keep you overnight, and bill your insurance a few grand" and so forth.
 
Let's see... Their two-week sample: 6 fatalities out of 755 in a population of 319,000...

Looks like about 0.8% of the folks who were sick enough to keep were fatal... But... 816 confirmed cases? From 14,786 tests? Looks like they tested close to 5% of the population in two weeks... Then again, that is possible, since they're still doing heavy testing in the lower income sections of the City. And some of those folks are firmly convinced that getting tested means that they're safe, and if they have their car's scanner read by our OBDII gizmo, that'll fix whatever is wrong with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
According to the City administration's web page, there have been 755 hospitalizations in the past 14 days.
 
No word on how many of them were "we're going to keep you overnight, and bill your insurance a few grand" and so forth.
 
Let's see... Their two-week sample: 6 fatalities out of 755 in a population of 319,000...

Looks like about 0.8% of the folks who were sick enough to keep were fatal... But... 816 confirmed cases? From 14,786 tests? Looks like they tested close to 5% of the population in two weeks... Then again, that is possible, since they're still doing heavy testing in the lower income sections of the City. And some of those folks are firmly convinced that getting tested means that they're safe, and if they have their car's scanner read by our OBDII gizmo, that'll fix whatever is wrong with it.

The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
According to the City administration's web page, there have been 755 hospitalizations in the past 14 days.
 
No word on how many of them were "we're going to keep you overnight, and bill your insurance a few grand" and so forth.
[snip]

That's a good point that even the hospitalizations numbers might be inflated.  But "cases" is totally useless.  And my wife is neurotic about how many cases there are in this county, so I never hear the end of it.  Perhaps that's PTSD because we've had a friend die from it.  (he was 80-something years old, but had no comorbidities that we knew of except for being old)  BTW, his cause of death was listed as heart failure rather than covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 05:44:10 PM
The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.

That totally depends on whether St Louis is a representative sample or not.  For COVID, it probably is but not necessarily.  I give Bogie the benefit of the doubt on that one.  Ebola is a strawman.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 05:44:10 PM
The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.

So St. Louis is special, and radically different from every place else?
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 10, 2021, 06:24:24 PM
I was just on the MO website and they are still counting with covid for deaths. Not surprised that most of the deaths are people over 80.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 10, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 05:59:35 PM
That totally depends on whether St Louis is a representative sample or not.  For COVID, it probably is but not necessarily.  I give Bogie the benefit of the doubt on that one.  Ebola is a strawman.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51737438482_f1de81aa5e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mPRTXq)

If he only had a... You know, that thing
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 06:38:46 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on December 10, 2021, 06:35:56 PM

If he only had a... You know, that thing

Courage? ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
Following much of the "reasoning," would might see a major urban area where 50 people would be shot on a "party weekend," with 5 of them fatal...
 
The "reasoning," therefore, is that there is a 10% chance of dying in that urban area.
 
Using only presented cases as a yardstick, one sees a significantly higher fatality rate. But that must be ignored, because to point out the bias in the data selection is now science denial.
 
"Reasoning" such as this goes back to the initially publicized Seattle nursing home cases - Something like 30% of the residents died...
 
But they didn't publicize how none of the help did... Or that many of the help were also working in other facilities. It is common for medical professionals, especially in fields such is wound prevention/care, to consult in multiple venue.

Lies. Damn lies... And manipulated statistics.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 06:00:14 PM
So St. Louis is special, and radically different from every place else?

No, it is not - The math of cases vs deaths works out like everywhere else. Your hard math fail is why you can’t see that.

Again: looking at some locality, ignoring infection rates and outcomes of those infections, and declaring “only .2 percent died” is exactly the same flawed reasoning that would lead you to conclude Ebola is not that bad.

There is no strawman here - that’s exactly what Bogie is claiming. You can only arrive at such a wrongheaded position by not examining the rate of spread, and the outcomes for the number of cases you have.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
Following much of the "reasoning," would might see a major urban area where 50 people would be shot on a "party weekend," with 5 of them fatal...
 
The "reasoning," therefore, is that there is a 10% chance of dying in that urban area.
 
Using only presented cases as a yardstick, one sees a significantly higher fatality rate. But that must be ignored, because to point out the bias in the data selection is now science denial.
 
"Reasoning" such as this goes back to the initially publicized Seattle nursing home cases - Something like 30% of the residents died...
 
But they didn't publicize how none of the help did... Or that many of the help were also working in other facilities. It is common for medical professionals, especially in fields such is wound prevention/care, to consult in multiple venue.

Lies. Damn lies... And manipulated statistics.

Here’s what you’re missing - if each shooting leads to three more shootings the following week, do the math and see how that becomes big numbers inside 90 days. That’s more like COVID - if you don’t take measures to contain it, the numbers keep growing.

Which is again why you have hundreds of thousands dead, and continuing spread of covid and attendant 1 percent death rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 10, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
Here’s what you’re missing - if each shooting leads to three more shootings the following week, do the math and see how that becomes big numbers inside 90 days. That’s more like COVID - if you don’t take measures to contain it, the numbers keep growing.

Which is again why you have hundreds of thousands dead, and continuing spread of covid and attendant 1 percent death rate.

Can you show your math on that?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 10, 2021, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 10, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
I know you like to say that your former colleagues thought you had a Ph.D, but you don't, do you?  Do you have any academic credentials in STEM or healthcare that make you an expert on the subject?  Or are you self-taught?

Defaming someone's expertise for lacking specific approval of others sounds an awful lot like an appeal to authority.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on December 10, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
Here’s what you’re missing - if each shooting leads to three more shootings the following week, do the math and see how that becomes big numbers inside 90 days. That’s more like COVID - if you don’t take measures to contain it, the numbers keep growing.

Per your example, 3,542,940 dead in 90 days.  By week 20, the death toll exceeds the worlds population.  Unless some of them develop a natural immunity to being killed by bullets with a regiment of monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, zinc, Vitamin C and desethylhydroxychloroquine.   :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
Is it vitamin C or D3?  I can't keep up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on December 10, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
Is it vitamin C or D3?  I can't keep up.

I don't know, I just pulled up what Aaron Rogers (https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=65746.0) claimed kept him safe from COVID-19.  He also hasn't died of being shot with bullets, so maybe his cure works for that too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on December 10, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
Per your example, 3,542,940 dead in 90 days.  By week 20, the death toll exceeds the worlds population.  Unless some of them develop a natural immunity to being killed by bullets with a regiment of monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, zinc, Vitamin C and desethylhydroxychloroquine.   :P

This! Looking at COVID’s R0, I only wish every investment I ever made multiplied dollars as fast as that disease infects.

But apparently the laws of mathematics do not apply in St Louis. Or more likely, some residents of St Louis are making very bad decisions about the risk covid presents based on their inability to understand said laws.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on December 10, 2021, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 10, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
Is it vitamin C or D3?  I can't keep up.

Both.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 08:03:59 PM
No, it is not - The math of cases vs deaths works out like everywhere else. Your hard math fail is why you can’t see that.

Again: looking at some locality, ignoring infection rates and outcomes of those infections, and declaring “only .2 percent died” is exactly the same flawed reasoning that would lead you to conclude Ebola is not that bad.

There is no strawman here - that’s exactly what Bogie is claiming. You can only arrive at such a wrongheaded position by not examining the rate of spread, and the outcomes for the number of cases you have.

Why aren't we all dead? It couldn't be the play quarantines, or the "not for medical use" masks...
 
I know this may bother you, but if you can get up, by yourself, walk out your front door, go to a stadium, and make it to your seat without assistance - you ain't the target market of the bug...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 11:32:36 PM
Gee, I'm really sorry that real life hasn't agreed with academia...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 11:30:28 PM

Why aren't we all dead? It couldn't be the play quarantines, or the "not for medical use" masks...
 
I know this may bother you, but if you can get up, by yourself, walk out your front door, go to a stadium, and make it to your seat without assistance - you ain't the target market of the bug...

This is staggeringly bad risk assessment.

Why didn’t the challenger blow up the first few times it flew with a bad o ring????

Why didn’t the guy refusing to wear a seatbelt die?

How many people didn’t wear body armor in Iraq and Afghanistan but still didn’t cop bullet holes or blast wounds???

The answer to your question lies in the math - not every person who does something stupid gets killed every time for it. But one of the things we learned in modern times is that mathematics can show us the relative risk of events happening, and that leads to good things like insurance pools and then safety measures like seatbelts that reduce that relative risk.

1 percent of St Louis hasn’t died because 100 percent hasn’t yet caught covid. And maybe those masks and shut downs were part of the reason why - you literally cite a good explanation for why the brakes are on the biology of covid, then through handwavium dismiss it as impossible.

Reading stuff like this makes me think I should’ve gone into the gambling business - if a substantial number of people are this bad at math it must be child’s play to fleece them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 11:49:18 PM
And you are completely discounting the people who were immune off the bat, along with the number of people (supposed to be the vast majority, according to Karen, who is damn scared of "asymptomatic carriers"), who never bothered to get tested, who never went to see a doctor, because they... never showed any symptoms.
 
And I figure you hate them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 11, 2021, 12:36:01 AM
I think they are making such a big deal about "omicron" because it is so contagious (like measles) but not particularly dangerous.  It puts those making money off the vaccines at great risk; what if omicron sweeps across America and everybody gets it and recovers without any drama?  Now we all have robust natural immunity that may well carry over to all the variants and don't need a vaccine. 

Can you imagine anything worse?  My company is peddling a "vaccine passport" app.  It would be a catastrophe for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 12:38:17 AM
Just tell someone that their chance of dying from the bug are less than half of what they've been told.
 
They'll get angry at you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 11, 2021, 02:55:59 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 11:49:18 PM
And you are completely discounting the people who were immune off the bat, along with the number of people (supposed to be the vast majority, according to Karen, who is damn scared of "asymptomatic carriers"), who never bothered to get tested, who never went to see a doctor, because they... never showed any symptoms.
 
And I figure you hate them.

Hahahahahaha are you actually pulling the “THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!” line?

Hard math fail backed up by decent history fail
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 07:32:11 AM
Uh... Your "hard math" is based on what?
 
You're ASSUMING, based upon  your model, that each patient will infect three others, if I am able to understand that...
 
And so forth.
 
That has not happened. That didn't even happen in isolated populations.
 
And no, it wasn't because of masks that you could drive a road train through.

You are also ASSUMING that 1% of those infected will die... (down from 2%, but hey...)

And completely disregarding that you are ASSUMING that everyone who catches the bug will present for treatment.

And you are now IGNORING the big bugaboo of "zomg, the asymptomatic walk among us" of the people who catch it, and beat it like a rented stepchild...

In your sick world, all of the non-compliant catch it, and many of them die.

In what seems to have been happening? Some folks get sick. Most don't. Life will go on. Because you don't need to be sick to be immune.

And it has been two years. Not two weeks.

While all the time, we have bureaucrats who are frickin' HOPING for huge numbers to use to justify their programs - and their existence.

Maybe that's why anyone who differs, and looks at "hard math," gets shouted down by the people who have now redefined "science."

They never named every new version of the common cold before. Now they have that power - the power for headlines, and research grants and... power...

How many colds have you had in your life? Here's another one. Don't go visit Gramma if you have the snifflies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 11, 2021, 08:32:28 AM
This is interesting. The research hasn't gone through peer review yet, but it suggests that covid both infects fat cells and also "hides" in them.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-infect-fat-tissue
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 11, 2021, 10:00:19 AM
Another paper awaiting peer review. It bolsters the mounting evidence regarding the robustness of natural immunity.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/natural-immunity-more-protective-over-time-than-covid-19-vaccination-study_4149953.html

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1.full.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 11, 2021, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 11, 2021, 08:32:28 AM
This is interesting. The research hasn't gone through peer review yet, but it suggests that covid both infects fat cells and also "hides" in them.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-infect-fat-tissue

So the food pyramid, which is partly responsible for the obesity epidemic, was part of the Covid conspiracy?!!??eleventy???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 11, 2021, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 10, 2021, 05:44:10 PM
The reasoning you’re using is horribly flawed here. If you applied the same method to Ebola you would conclude it’s not really that bad, since 0 percent of St Louis died of it last year. That example is what’s wrong with your entire approach to COVID.

Hard math is not enough. Mighty big reasoning fail here, so maths won't help you.

As an aside, is it math or maths in Australia?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 11, 2021, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on December 11, 2021, 03:07:29 PM
Hard math is not enough. Mighty big reasoning fail here, so maths won't help you.

As an aside, is it math or maths in Australia?
It is whatever the Australian Govt tells De Selby it is. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 11, 2021, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 07:32:11 AM
Uh... Your "hard math" is based on what?
 
You're ASSUMING, based upon  your model, that each patient will infect three others, if I am able to understand that...
 
And so forth.
 
That has not happened. That didn't even happen in isolated populations.
 
And no, it wasn't because of masks that you could drive a road train through.

You are also ASSUMING that 1% of those infected will die... (down from 2%, but hey...)

And completely disregarding that you are ASSUMING that everyone who catches the bug will present for treatment.

And you are now IGNORING the big bugaboo of "zomg, the asymptomatic walk among us" of the people who catch it, and beat it like a rented stepchild...

In your sick world, all of the non-compliant catch it, and many of them die.

In what seems to have been happening? Some folks get sick. Most don't. Life will go on. Because you don't need to be sick to be immune.

And it has been two years. Not two weeks.

While all the time, we have bureaucrats who are frickin' HOPING for huge numbers to use to justify their programs - and their existence.

Maybe that's why anyone who differs, and looks at "hard math," gets shouted down by the people who have now redefined "science."

They never named every new version of the common cold before. Now they have that power - the power for headlines, and research grants and... power...

How many colds have you had in your life? Here's another one. Don't go visit Gramma if you have the snifflies.

Okay man, I’m the one posting medical journals and actual statistics. You’re sitting here calling that assumption, and then making up your own reasons why all the numbers are fake.

There’s a whole lot of assuming going on, but it’s being done by you - you are assuming that your defective reasoning hasn’t been accounted for in medical research on covid (probably because you’re not reading any of it), and then assuming the risks of the disease are in line with your own completely fabricated beliefs about it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 11, 2021, 07:27:29 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on December 11, 2021, 03:07:29 PM
Hard math is not enough. Mighty big reasoning fail here, so maths won't help you.

As an aside, is it math or maths in Australia?

You’re welcome to explain how it’s a “reasoning fail” to posit that the best way to assess covid risk is to look at published research about it.

Australians tend to say maths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 07:47:57 PM
We've had two years of handwavium...
 
One of the CSOs I worked for called it the "and now magic happens!" moment when a researcher had something that couldn't be explained - and that was NOT a good thing...

Why aren't we all dead? Especially the untouchable essentials, who haven't been having everything delivered?

Explain that?
 
Because the vanity masks don't do anything to stop the spread. The vaccine doesn't do anything to stop the spread. Fighting over toilet paper sure doesn't do anything to stop the spread.

I figure that most people have either had it, or won't catch it, but hey, there will mutations forever. Just like other viruses which have always caused what we call "the common cold."
 
One does not "believe" in science. One either proves, or disproves, the theories.
 
And the instant you assume that your theories are engraved in stone, and cannot be questioned, you have lost.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 11, 2021, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 07:47:57 PM

 
Because the vanity masks don't do anything to stop the spread. The vaccine doesn't do anything to stop the spread.


These two statements  are demonstrably,  provably false.  And have been so proven, several times on this site alone. 

Just because a control measure isn't 100% effective,  or even 50% effective,  doesn't  mean it does nothing.  Several people on this site have brought legitimate questions about whether or not the usefulness of masks are worth the costs, which is a conversation I wish the country had actually had.

But to say they and vaccines "don't do anything" is just idiotic. It shows cult like belief in untruths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on December 11, 2021, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 11, 2021, 08:00:13 PM
These two statements  are demonstrably,  provably false.  And have been so proven, several times on this site alone. 

Just because a control measure isn't 100% effective,  or even 50% effective,  doesn't  mean it does nothing.  Several people on this site have brought legitimate questions about whether or not the usefulness of masks are worth the costs, which is a conversation I wish the country had actually had.

But to say they and vaccines "don't do anything" is just idiotic. It shows cult like belief in untruths.

^^This.

IMO, Bogie seems to have some kind of emotionally driven obsession about this topic.  It's unlikely that further discussion with him will be productive in advancing understanding for either side.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 08:30:00 PM
I hate being lied to. I hate the presentation of biased statistics as somehow being factual. I hate having to suspend my brain to watch the evening news.

I hate having someone snidely inform me that I have to wear a symbolic scrap of t-shirt or that I am a bad person.
 
Let's not even get into the folks who are wearing masks so that they won't show up on video.
 
Or maybe I AM a bad person? I used to be the kind of guy who would stay home if he had the flu, so that I didn't give it to my cow orkers... maybe now I'll just put on a magical scrap of face diaper, and go permeate the workplace... Yeah, that'll be okay...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 11, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 11, 2021, 08:30:00 PM
I hate being lied to. I hate the presentation of biased statistics as somehow being factual. I hate having to suspend my brain to watch the evening news.

I hate having someone snidely inform me that I have to wear a symbolic scrap of t-shirt or that I am a bad person.
 
Let's not even get into the folks who are wearing masks so that they won't show up on video.
 
Or maybe I AM a bad person? I used to be the kind of guy who would stay home if he had the flu, so that I didn't give it to my cow orkers... maybe now I'll just put on a magical scrap of face diaper, and go permeate the workplace... Yeah, that'll be okay...

I don't disagree with really any of that.  (I wish Americans would wear masks when they are sick if they have to go out, like Asians do)  I disagree with the previous statements about masks and vaccines not doing anything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 12, 2021, 08:03:11 AM
99+% of the masks that I've seen don't filter the bug... You're on a bus with a couple of dozen people wearing the same things, and... you're all sharing it.
 
And the buses here NEVER stopped running during the "quarantine." And were picking up and dropping off workers at care facilities.

When you can smell the weed on the wake'n'bake who just walked into the store, and didn't get any closer to you than 10', do you really think that it is doing much?

The vaccines? They appear to be deeply flawed. If it wasn't for the hysteria, they probably would have been abandoned while still in the labs.

But you can't say that they're flawed, because that is denying science, and you MUST care, because you have to show that you care, because if you don't care,  you're a bad person, and maybe even a science denier. And the "science" is no longer about data and repeatability, but about anecdotes which support your position.

And... All the while, the books are being cooked to "prove" things. At this point, I trust the Chicago Board of Elections more than I trust most of the 'Rona stats that I've seen presented.

So, why aren't all the essential workers dead?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 12, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 11, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
I don't disagree with really any of that.  (I wish Americans would wear masks when they are sick if they have to go out, like Asians do)  I disagree with the previous statements about masks and vaccines not doing anything.
What kind of masks?  In reality, N95 masks aren't required anywhere in public that I am aware.  The thin bandana's do very little but catch the largest droplets.  The paper masks are usually poorly fitted and little of the air goes through them.  I have a set of cotton masks my Mother made for me.  No elastic and they actually fit decently.  They are probably more effective than most masks I see.  Saying they do "nothing" may be inaccurate, but saying they are effective is a stretch in many cases. 

Are the vaccines effective?  Yes, but I think the powers that be have been over claiming the effectiveness from the start which undermines my trust in what they say.  IMO, they really should be treated like the flu vaccine in the past.  Take it if you want or if you are in a vulnerable condition (older or with comorbidity or both).  I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 12, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 12, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
Are the vaccines effective?  Yes, but I think the powers that be have been over claiming the effectiveness from the start which undermines my trust in what they say.  IMO, they really should be treated like the flu vaccine in the past.  Take it if you want or if you are in a vulnerable condition (older or with comorbidity or both).  I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.
Agreed.

“Efficaciousness” in early studies and general effectiveness are not the same thing.

I was particularly amused when De Selby was trumpeting the trials showing 100% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids without realizing that the same study showed that a placebo showed 98% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids in the same trial.

I’ve also seen concerns that releasing a mostly effective vaccine generally in the middle of the pandemic is effectively the same technique you would use to intentionally breed resistance into any dangerous virus or bacteria. Giving it to at-risk people makes sense, but by giving it to everyone is like giving everyone a low-dose antibiotic and then being shocked at a rise in antibiotic-resistant infections.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 12, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 12, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.

Wait, you think the .Gov and companies don't force the flu vaccine on people?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 12, 2021, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 12, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
I was particularly amused when De Selby was trumpeting the trials showing 100% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids without realizing that the same study showed that a placebo showed 98% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids in the same trial.

 
And... What you get from most of the covid dancers from that is...
 
"YOU WANT 2% of the children to die? You're a MONSTER!"

I prefer the Ronco approach for most of the non-terminally ill folks - catch it, beat it, and forget it. Like our species has done for millenia...
 
But that no longer counts.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 12, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
Opinion makers discovered that the bulk of the population wanted safety. PERFECT safety... And striving for that is one helluva way to work a population.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 12, 2021, 10:57:40 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 12, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
Opinion makers discovered that the bulk of the population wanted safety. PERFECT safety... And striving for that is one helluva way to work a population.

Very true, and much more dangerous than Chinavirus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 06:36:43 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 12, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
Agreed.

“Efficaciousness” in early studies and general effectiveness are not the same thing.

I was particularly amused when De Selby was trumpeting the trials showing 100% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids without realizing that the same study showed that a placebo showed 98% effectiveness in preventing COVID in kids in the same trial.

I’ve also seen concerns that releasing a mostly effective vaccine generally in the middle of the pandemic is effectively the same technique you would use to intentionally breed resistance into any dangerous virus or bacteria. Giving it to at-risk people makes sense, but by giving it to everyone is like giving everyone a low-dose antibiotic and then being shocked at a rise in antibiotic-resistant infections.

Your interpretation of placebo “effectiveness” is way off - a normal ratio of kids in that age group got covid when they had the placebo. No kids in that age group got covid. That does not mean the vaccine is comparable to placebo.

Here’s the issue with the rest of your post: rather than amateur reasoning about the behaviour of coronaviruses, the question about how the vaccine will affect the virus should be settled by intensive scientific research. It’s cool that we all have theories about how this will play out - scientific testing of those theories is what we should be using to make decisions. It’s simply not the sort of discipline where drawing what you think are reasoned conclusions makes for sensible policy - coronaviruses aren’t biologically related to bacteria at all, and the same rules about resistance do not by necessity apply. Scientific sources should be the basis of our risk assessment and discussion.

Simply throwing your hands in the air and vaguely referring to “the powers that be” as a cause of making actual data fake is a recipe for garbage decision making.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 06:39:27 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on December 12, 2021, 10:57:40 PM
Very true, and much more dangerous than Chinavirus.

I’ll settle for responsible control measures that, if I abide by them, mean it is unlikely I will start a chain of transmission that kills people. And I think it’s fair that we should frown on people who won’t take basic measures to avoid becoming a spreader of a disease that will kill people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 13, 2021, 07:35:43 AM
Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 06:36:43 AM
Your interpretation of placebo “effectiveness” is way off - a normal ratio of kids in that age group got covid when they had the placebo. No kids in that age group got covid. That does not mean the vaccine is comparable to placebo.
I do not think the vaccine is comparable to placebo in effectiveness.

As far as ratios go ... yes, but no.  The trial included 2260 children.  1129 were in the placebo group of whom 18 got COVID. 

So what would the trial have shown if instead of 0 vaccinated kids getting COVID in the brief time period of the study there had been 5?  Would the vaccine have been touted as 72% effective (the reduction in comparison to the placebo group - 13/18) or 99.5% effective (the reduction in infections compared to the overall group size 1126/1131)?

If the former, it would be the first study I've seen that uses that strategy.
If the latter, then the ratio compared to normal doesn't figure in to how they are calculating effectiveness, does it?

Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 06:36:43 AM
Here’s the issue with the rest of your post: rather than amateur reasoning about the behaviour of coronaviruses, the question about how the vaccine will affect the virus should be settled by intensive scientific research. It’s cool that we all have theories about how this will play out - scientific testing of those theories is what we should be using to make decisions. It’s simply not the sort of discipline where drawing what you think are reasoned conclusions makes for sensible policy - coronaviruses aren’t biologically related to bacteria at all, and the same rules about resistance do not by necessity apply. Scientific sources should be the basis of our risk assessment and discussion.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that intensive scientific research had shown that coronaviruses mutate very slowly, or that they are an exception to the rule when it comes to selection pressure.  Very interesting.
Are you working under the assumption that public health policy has been based on intensive scientific research?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:54:09 AM
So you acknowledge the study demonstrated zero covid cases where the placebo group got covid, but now youre questioning the study parameters and doing your own math analysis on how those placebo numbers stack up? Again, seems like a recipe for bad decision making.

Also - you gave a rhetorical reply to the point that decisions about the impact of vaccination should be based on research. If you have studies suggesting that vaccination should be halted or limited because of the viral properties of COVID 19, please post them. If you don’t, well then all you’ve got is rhetoric based on assumptions about the virology of the disease - again, a recipe for disastrously bad decision making.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 13, 2021, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:54:09 AM
So you acknowledge the study demonstrated zero covid cases where the placebo group got covid
No, there were 18 cases where the placebo group got COVID.

Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:54:09 AM
but now youre questioning the study parameters and doing your own math analysis on how those placebo numbers stack up? Again, seems like a recipe for bad decision making.
If you believe that the efficaciousness rate of a vaccine should be determined by comparison to the placebo rate then you need to take that up with all the COVID 19 vaccination trials to date because that is not how it is done - likely to oversell the capabilities of the vaccine. 
On the other hand, if you accept the efficaciousness rating of all the COVID vaccines then proclaiming the placebo to being 98% effective at preventing COVID (in kids) is entirely in keeping with established scientific reporting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 08:41:59 AM
Old science: Look at all the data.

New science: Pick only the data that supports your position.

Got it.

Remember that the covids is FATAL!!!! So all those kids with it are going to DIE!!!! Why do  you HATE CHILDREN????

It's a cold bug. One of many. It's gonna be here. It is ALWAYS gonna kill geezers, just like the flu...

But if you make other people wear virtuous masks, you are gonna live FOREVER!

I wonder how many of the nursing homes have shared HVAC systems with little, if any, filtration for small particles?

But hey... Get your kids those shots... If one dies for it, that's so that some guy who is 89, and terminally ill with lung cancer, can live another two weeks...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 08:51:44 AM
Oh, and make sure you put those filthy gloves back on - that'll protect you from the bug boring through your fingerskins... And keep that six foot distance, even if you occasionally have to pull your mask away because all the exertion is fogging up your safety glasses that you got at the drug store...

Remember - it's for the children.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 13, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
I was curious about that study also.  How many of the kids who contracted it had severe symptoms? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on December 13, 2021, 09:40:49 AM
None of the trials for the major vaccines tested effectiveness against death. Yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to save lives. None of the trials tested against severe disease or hospitalization either, yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to reduce hospitalizations.

They may or may not be effective against death or hospitalization but the fact is there have been no controlled trials to prove it, and it's obvious most people think there is and that public health officials let them believe it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 13, 2021, 09:48:17 AM
Noticed a pattern in many arguments in this thread.
It's either 0% or 100% with no in between.
If it's not 100% effective it's 0% effective.
If it's not 0% effective it's 100% effective.

I know people that take similar stances on seat belts. Know a guy who refuses to wear a seat belt because he knows someone who was wearing a seat belt and died and people who weren't wearing a seat belt and lived thus in his mind seat belts will get you killed and you're insane for wearing one and you can't argue with him. Not comparing masks and vaccines to seat belts just the 0-100 mindset. I've learn that it is usually pointless to argue with them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 13, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 12, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
What kind of masks?  In reality, N95 masks aren't required anywhere in public that I am aware.  The thin bandana's do very little but catch the largest droplets.  The paper masks are usually poorly fitted and little of the air goes through them.  I have a set of cotton masks my Mother made for me.  No elastic and they actually fit decently.  They are probably more effective than most masks I see.  Saying they do "nothing" may be inaccurate, but saying they are effective is a stretch in many cases. 

Are the vaccines effective?  Yes, but I think the powers that be have been over claiming the effectiveness from the start which undermines my trust in what they say.  IMO, they really should be treated like the flu vaccine in the past.  Take it if you want or if you are in a vulnerable condition (older or with comorbidity or both).  I don't think it should be forced on anyone (by govt or company) especially since you can still carry it and spread it after having the vaccine.

Non-vented respirator-style masks.  N95, KN95, PPF2, etc.  Even nuisance dust masks that look like N95s but just have one elastic band instead of 2.  They were hard to find for a while, but now you can get them at the hardware stores again; some are even NIOSH approved.  Yes, they leak a little around the nose bridge (especially when you exhale) if they are not fitted perfectly but they don't leak much.

Next step down, (a big step down IMHO) are 3-layer paper surgical masks.  Those have good filtration but they leak a lot around all the edges.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 13, 2021, 10:37:58 AM
Official numbers have been demonstrated to be inaccurate all over the planet. Official forecasts have been terrible time and time again. These are DeSelby's hard numbers. Probabilities are a tool not reality. The assumptions and data used to determine the probabilities dictate the outcomes. I used to assume the statisticians were trying to determine the potential truth. These last couple years have rattled my trust in the official sources so I'm less inclined to be like DeSelby. Early on I was down with the program, the incoherencies now have moved me into a more skeptical position.

What signal I can discern through all the noise is that in the short term at least, getting the jab(s) protects the elderly and those with comorbidities from worse outcomes.

We have no observed knowledge of long term effects of getting the jab(s).

We have no observed knowledge of long term effects of the infection after recovering from a covid infection.

I'm not seeing any good or safe choices.

Injecting a large portion of humanity with an experimental drug always seemed crazy to me.

My assumption is they've possibly been experimenting with these drugs behind the scenes unofficially, maybe having more knowledge than they can admit. Even if that is true it's a deception that would give me pause for concern. There has never been a vaccine pushed on the public so strongly by governments across the world that is so dangerous in of itself. A potentially dangerous treatment with no long term studies.

Getting infected with Covid can lead to some pretty bad outcomes other than death. While for many it is like a bad flu there are also many that get very sick and have long term complications.

Governments going all jackboot and telling lies add a bizarro world twist to the whole thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 13, 2021, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 13, 2021, 09:48:17 AM
Noticed a pattern in many arguments in this thread.
It's either 0% or 100% with no in between.
If it's not 100% effective it's 0% effective.
If it's not 0% effective it's 100% effective.

I know people that take similar stances on seat belts. Know a guy who refuses to wear a seat belt because he knows someone who was wearing a seat belt and died and people who weren't wearing a seat belt and lived thus in his mind seat belts will get you killed and you're insane for wearing one and you can't argue with him. Not comparing masks and vaccines to seat belts just the 0-100 mindset. I've learn that it is usually pointless to argue with them.
I have heard people say similar things about seatbelts.  Usually it was only justifying why they didn't want to wear it and it was usually some hearsay story that probably wasn't correct anyway.  I still don't think people should be required by law to wear them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 13, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
^^^Add motorcycle helmets, bicycle helmets and gun locks to this list.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 13, 2021, 08:35:51 AM
No, there were 18 cases where the placebo group got COVID.
If you believe that the efficaciousness rate of a vaccine should be determined by comparison to the placebo rate then you need to take that up with all the COVID 19 vaccination trials to date because that is not how it is done - likely to oversell the capabilities of the vaccine. 
On the other hand, if you accept the efficaciousness rating of all the COVID vaccines then proclaiming the placebo to being 98% effective at preventing COVID (in kids) is entirely in keeping with established scientific reporting.

So that would be no, no published study on the virology of covid suggesting we should not vaccinate large groups?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 13, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 04:20:09 PM
So that would be no, no published study on the virology of covid suggesting we should not vaccinate large groups?

He's applying the same methodology to both groups, and the difference is insignificant. 

No study that suggests not to vaccinate will be published (perhaps none exists, how would we know) because it would be professional suicide for the writer and the publisher to publish such a paper in this environment even if the data was irrefutable.  Whenever someone even suggests that the vaccine might be riskier than the disease for certain age groups, they are shouted down by hoards of feces-throwing howler monkeys.  [not literal monkeys, but they might as well be]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 13, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
He's applying the same methodology to both groups, and the difference is insignificant. 

No study that suggests not to vaccinate will be published (perhaps none exists, how would we know) because it would be professional suicide for the writer and the publisher to publish such a paper in this environment even if the data was irrefutable.  Whenever someone even suggests that the vaccine might be riskier than the disease for certain age groups, they are shouted down by hoards of feces-throwing howler monkeys.  [not literal monkeys, but they might as well be]

That is not a methodology - and of course, assuming the science is all rigged by politics means you have no basis for making any judgments.

To discard scientific data and then substitute rhetorical/Facebook theories about virology is to do in real life what the fictional De Selby does in books, and those books are comedies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 13, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
Non-vented respirator-style masks.  N95, KN95, PPF2, etc.

Vented masks seem to be pretty popular with covid dancers... They get irritated when you point out how that works to them when they tell you (and they'll always tell you...) that they're just doing this for YOUR safety...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 07:31:56 PM
All too often, academic "science" is rigged by the academic bureaucracy...
 
I'm guessing that little pro-abortion research would be done in a catholic university, for example...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: zahc on December 13, 2021, 09:40:49 AM
None of the trials for the major vaccines tested effectiveness against death. Yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to save lives. None of the trials tested against severe disease or hospitalization either, yet we are told the vaccines are the best way to reduce hospitalizations.

They may or may not be effective against death or hospitalization but the fact is there have been no controlled trials to prove it, and it's obvious most people think there is and that public health officials let them believe it.

That is simply not true.


 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext)

Quote

We found a low risk of COVID-19 hospitalisations or deaths 14 days or more after the first vaccination dose, with less than 0·05% of individuals receiving at least one vaccination having a subsequent breakthrough event.

…

The rate of hospitalisation or death for COVID-19 related illness during the study period was 4·6 events per 1000 person-years (1196 events in total). Over the same period, we calculated the rate of hospitalisation or death from COVID-19 as 8·57 events per 1000 person-years (10 282 events in total) in the unvaccinated population in Scotland, despite the fact that this unvaccinated group was a much younger population who the JCVI had assessed to be at a substantially lower risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.29




Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 13, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:18:04 PM
That is not a methodology - and of course, assuming the science is all rigged by politics means you have no basis for making any judgments.

To discard scientific data and then substitute rhetorical/Facebook theories about virology is to do in real life what the fictional De Selby does in books, and those books are comedies.

No, this is more like "I accept your data, but your analysis of it is wrong"  I actually enjoy pointing out to people that their data is not normalized, and when adjusted for (for example) population size it clearing shows just the opposite of whatever point they were making.  That one always makes heads explode  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
I just keep looking at the willful idiocy of the belief system that must be adhered to...

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 13, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
 [barf]

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1470209341911232516
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on December 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 07:34:36 PM
That is simply not true.


 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00380-5/fulltext)

I said none of the clinical trials for the vaccines, which trials were used to justify forcing the medicine on millions of people ("safe and effective!!"), None tested for death or severe illness. They only tested for reported symptomatic illness, with no quantification if the severity. Only AstraZeneca attempted to (poorly, inconclusively) measure viral loads or do any PCR testing. Thus when the vaccines were rolled out, the only thing we knew was they reduced rate of reported symptoms. It was, and is, entirely possible that transmissibility was unaffected or even boosted, or that death or hospitalization rates are unaffected or boosted. If people are still contagious but they have less symptoms, that's literally the opposite of effective for reducing spread, because sick people stay at home, but un-sick people go about their days. It would take an entire extra study to understand if the final result were actually effective in slowing or stopping the spread. Instead, they just barfed it out there. And then a month later told everyone to still wear masks. To date, vaccination seems to have practically no impact on spread of the pandemic. It's highly possible that vaccination has made spread worse.

Data gathered since mass vaccination is not placebo controlled and can be flawed in many impossible to correct for ways, especially selection bias. I do appreciate that people are trying but the methods being used now are terrible at assessing a treatment, and would never pass muster in any other context. Now it is very hard to assess if the vaccines are working, this is made doubly so by the incredibly incompetent job the CDC is doing at tracking vaccine effectiveness, with failing to competently monitor side effects and breakthrough rates, basically they are acting as if they specifically don't want to know, or maybe they do know but don't want it to be provable. The push for universal vaccination is part of this, it is basically a cover-up.

Much of this applies to other countries as well. Europe is showering booster shots on everyone trying to reduce their hospitalization rates all while their first wave of vaccination did nothing for viral spread or cases. I just took a Pfizer booster because it's required after January 15th and I don't really have a choice. I don't like being sick and I think the booster might help with that but it's probably doing nothing for the pandemic.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 13, 2021, 09:02:56 PM
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Post by: MechAg94 on December 13, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: zahc on December 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
If people are still contagious but they have less symptoms, that's literally the opposite of effective for reducing spread, because sick people stay at home, but un-sick people go about their days.

And woefully inadequate masks with the primary function of signaling virtue will do little to stop actual emission of viral particles...
 
Right now, someone is sitting on a bus or airplane right next to a masked spreader of the bug.
 
Good thing is that they'll probably not even notice that their immune system is doing what evolution designed it to do.

Prediction: They start pushing fear of "the asymptomatic" and go for more lockdowns, which won't actually be lockdowns... Or... would they actually go for several weeks of nothing, which won't do a whole lot anyway?

How long until we see police in NYC welding closed the doors of a nursing home?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 13, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 13, 2021, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: zahc on December 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
If people are still contagious but they have less symptoms, that's literally the opposite of effective for reducing spread, because sick people stay at home, but un-sick people go about their days. It would take an entire extra study to understand if the final result were actually effective in slowing or stopping the spread. Instead, they just barfed it out there. And then a month later told everyone to still wear masks. To date, vaccination seems to have practically no impact on spread of the pandemic. It's highly possible that vaccination has made spread worse.

Again, there is data out there on the spread of the disease and on the outcomes for severity with vaccination. This assertion is false - there is no data showing vaccination makes spread worse. I’m fact, the study I posted along with many others show that vaccination measurably reduces the spread of the disease.

If you have any data showing that vaccination does not impact or in fact enhances the spread of covid, please post it.

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Data gathered since mass vaccination is not placebo controlled and can be flawed in many impossible to correct for ways, especially selection bias. I do appreciate that people are trying but the methods being used now are terrible at assessing a treatment, and would never pass muster in any other context. Now it is very hard to assess if the vaccines are working, this is made doubly so by the incredibly incompetent job the CDC is doing at tracking vaccine effectiveness, with failing to competently monitor side effects and breakthrough rates, basically they are acting as if they specifically don't want to know, or maybe they do know but don't want it to be provable. The push for universal vaccination is part of this, it is basically a cover-up.

Much of this applies to other countries as well. Europe is showering booster shots on everyone trying to reduce their hospitalization rates all while their first wave of vaccination did nothing for viral spread or cases. I just took a Pfizer booster because it's required after January 15th and I don't really have a choice. I don't like being sick and I think the booster might help with that but it's probably doing nothing for the pandemic.

Again, the assertion that the first wave of vaccination did nothing is demonstrably false. There are studies showing how that impact wanes over time, and might be restored with a booster.

The issues with data you raised are explicitly canvased in the study I posted. What about their statistical methods is wrong?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
If you don't like data, and ignore it, is that still science?
 
If you call anecdotes data, and praise it, is that now science?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 13, 2021, 11:17:24 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on December 13, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
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Admiral Doubtfire!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on December 14, 2021, 12:54:45 AM
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The issues with data you raised are explicitly canvased in the study I posted. What about their statistical methods is wrong?

From the study:

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A limitation of this study is that we were unable to report on risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and less severe COVID-19 outcomes

They only looked at hospitalisation. Not spread within the population. Didn't even consider it in the study.

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Our analysis was performed during a period where there was a high background incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection and a national lockdown in place in Scotland (and across the UK), so these findings must be interpreted within this context.

To the extent that their data shows the cases and hospitalisation rates dropping after and during the vaccination campaign, was it the vaccines or the lockdowns? Or natural course of the disease, the weather, or some other (or hundreds of other) factor? Without a controlled trial, knowing is impossible. And as they mentioned above, they didn't even consider community spread, just hospitalisation and death rates, which could also be impacted by changing admission policy and improved treatments, which they also admitted in the study itself.

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If you have any data showing that vaccination does not impact or in fact enhances the spread of covid, please post it.

Look at figures from the US or any other country, showing the disease continues to spread and outbreaks continue to occur and the fact that these countries went from 0% to in some cases 80Plus% vaccinated didn't do a damn thing, not even make a noticeable blip in the charts.

I don't have better data than that, because it isn't being gathered. There is nobody doing serious trials on vaccination impact on community spread. It's clear that they don't want to.

I remember I was in TX summer of this year when I saw the chart of US vaccinations climbing like crazy up to 40%, 50,60%, overlayed on the case rates... and not any discernable impact whatsoever. If you gave people both charts and said "show me the before and after mass vaccination", you couldn't do it. Not. A. Damn. Thing. And I thought...Oh *expletive deleted*it, the vaccines aren't going to work... what's the government response going to be now that everyone can see the vaccines aren't going to stop COVID?


Here's some numbers for you... evolution of the 5th wave in France. Remember they require a health pass to go anywhere and now you have to have a booster to get a health pass. Can you tell the point where they went from 0% vaccinated to nearly 100%? Neither can I.



https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/infographies-covid-19-morts-hospitalisations-age-malades-l-evolution-de-l-epidemie-en-france-et-dans-le-monde-en-cartes-et-graphiques.html




Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 14, 2021, 07:47:23 AM
The screechers only want to look at cases and presented patients... so they produce press releases that confirm the covid dancers' worst fears.

When you only look at people who are sick enough to go to a doctor, instead of stay home and sniffle, or go to work with a box of kleenex, then you get a seriously exaggerated picture.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 14, 2021, 09:01:23 AM
https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/final-data-on-pills-to-treat-covid-19-holds-strong-against-hospitalization-and-death-pfizer/article_561667ff-6cfd-55e9-b122-75b3a89db672.html?block_id=997200

The Pfizer oral treatment is showing more promise than the Merck oral treatment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2021, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 14, 2021, 09:01:23 AM
The Pfizer oral treatment is showing more promise than the Merck oral treatment.

Thaaaaat's what she said.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 14, 2021, 10:36:27 AM
Virginia Hospital Found In Contempt Of Court, Subject To $10k Per Day Fines After Denying Patient Ivermectin
https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-hospital-found-in-contempt-of-court-subject-to-10k-per-day-fines-after-denying-patient-ivermectin?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member

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On Monday, December 13, Virginia’s 20th Judicial Court found Fauquier Health in contempt of court after refusing to comply with previous orders and ruled that by 9:00 p.m. Eastern time tonight, Kathy Davies must be given the dose of Ivermectin as prescribed by a doctor retained by the Davies family. Additionally — if the hospital did not comply — the state had the right to fine the hospital $10,000 per day. That order would have been applied retroactively from December 9 onwards. The court also ordered that the Davies family be given police escort if necessary to administer the drug to their mother.
Looks like the family got their doctor to prescribe ivermectin, but the hospital threw up road blocks to prevent it from being administered.  This article didn't really talk about what treatment the hospital was doing. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
Overview of a Lancet article at zerohedge.
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Read below:

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated threaten the vaccinated for COVID-19”. But this view is far too simple.

There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.

In the USA, a total of 10 262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalised, and 160 (1·6%) died.

In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals, and this proportion is increasing each week. In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub.

People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatising parts of the population for their skin colour or religion. I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.


https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lancet-scolds-those-claiming-pandemic-unvaccinated
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Interesting blurb from a 3/2020 video of Zuck and Fauci discussing the mRNA treatment. The lower video is slightly longer.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1470469062698414090
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 14, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 14, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Interesting blurb from a 3/2020 video of Zuck and Fauci discussing the mRNA treatment. The lower video is slightly longer.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1470469062698414090
Do you know when this interview was done? 

I would have thought they would not publicly discuss this unless they were already concerned this was a possibility and were looking into it. 

And why can't Zuckerberg get his lighting right? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 03:02:30 PM
Quote from: zahc on December 14, 2021, 12:54:45 AM
From the study:

They only looked at hospitalisation. Not spread within the population. Didn't even consider it in the study.

To the extent that their data shows the cases and hospitalisation rates dropping after and during the vaccination campaign, was it the vaccines or the lockdowns? Or natural course of the disease, the weather, or some other (or hundreds of other) factor? Without a controlled trial, knowing is impossible. And as they mentioned above, they didn't even consider community spread, just hospitalisation and death rates, which could also be impacted by changing admission policy and improved treatments, which they also admitted in the study itself.

Look at figures from the US or any other country, showing the disease continues to spread and outbreaks continue to occur and the fact that these countries went from 0% to in some cases 80Plus% vaccinated didn't do a damn thing, not even make a noticeable blip in the charts.

I don't have better data than that, because it isn't being gathered. There is nobody doing serious trials on vaccination impact on community spread. It's clear that they don't want to.

I remember I was in TX summer of this year when I saw the chart of US vaccinations climbing like crazy up to 40%, 50,60%, overlayed on the case rates... and not any discernable impact whatsoever. If you gave people both charts and said "show me the before and after mass vaccination", you couldn't do it. Not. A. Damn. Thing. And I thought...Oh *expletive deleted*it, the vaccines aren't going to work... what's the government response going to be now that everyone can see the vaccines aren't going to stop COVID?


Here's some numbers for you... evolution of the 5th wave in France. Remember they require a health pass to go anywhere and now you have to have a booster to get a health pass. Can you tell the point where they went from 0% vaccinated to nearly 100%? Neither can I.



https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/infographies-covid-19-morts-hospitalisations-age-malades-l-evolution-de-l-epidemie-en-france-et-dans-le-monde-en-cartes-et-graphiques.html

There are numerous studies that focus on transmission. I posted that one because you claimed there was no data on how highly effective vaccines are at preventing hospitalisation and death. In addition to the studies, the graph you posted shows several peaks and troughs - that sure seems to imply something is happening with infection rates over time.

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7709178/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7709178/)

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Vaccination reduced the overall attack rate to 4.6% (95% CrI: 4.3% – 5.0%) from 9.0% (95% CrI: 8.4% – 9.4%) without vaccination, over 300 days. The highest relative reduction (54–62%) was observed among individuals aged 65 and older. Vaccination markedly reduced adverse outcomes, with non-ICU hospitalizations, ICU hospitalizations, and deaths decreasing by 63.5% (95% CrI: 60.3% – 66.7%), 65.6% (95% CrI: 62.2% – 68.6%), and 69.3% (95% CrI: 65.5% – 73.1%), respectively, across the same period.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 14, 2021, 11:30:23 AM
Overview of a Lancet article at zerohedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lancet-scolds-those-claiming-pandemic-unvaccinated

What Tyler Durden has missed there is that the letter from Germany does not suggest vaccinated people spread covid as efficiently as unvaccinated - only that they do indeed spread it, so other control measures like masking should be looked at for vaccinated people, which makes sense.

Im not sure what makes zero hedge a credible source of medical information. But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles as “Tyler Durden”?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
What Tyler Durden has missed there is that the letter from Germany does not suggest vaccinated people spread covid as efficiently as unvaccinated - only that they do indeed spread it, so other control measures like masking should be looked at for vaccinated people, which makes sense.

Im not sure what makes zero hedge a credible source of medical information. But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles as “Tyler Durden”?
Zerohedge is nothing more than a news aggregator with opinions. Frequently info pops up there long before it hits the mainstream media.

The article has the link to The Lancet, here it is in case you missed it.

COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified
Günter Kampf
Published:November 20, 2021

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2021, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 14, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Do you know when this interview was done? 

I would have thought they would not publicly discuss this unless they were already concerned this was a possibility and were looking into it. 

And why can't Zuckerberg get his lighting right?

March 2020 I believe.

It's not so much the lighting as it's the Uncanny valley.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 14, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 14, 2021, 03:52:04 PM
March 2020 I believe.

It's not so much the lighting as it's the Uncanny valley.
Okay.  Missed the big "March 2020" on the second video.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 14, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles APS posts as “Tyler Durden” “De Selby”?

FTFY.

And it’s about as valid to poke fun at your screen name as it does for you to cast aspersions due to his.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 14, 2021, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
What Tyler Durden has missed there is that the letter from Germany does not suggest vaccinated people spread covid as efficiently as unvaccinated - only that they do indeed spread it, so other control measures like masking should be looked at for vaccinated people, which makes sense.

Im not sure what makes zero hedge a credible source of medical information. But do you honestly think it’s a good idea to take medical and risk advice from a guy who signs his articles as “Tyler Durden”?

I don't get the joke.  Is it an anagram or something?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on December 14, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
FTFY.

And it’s about as valid to poke fun at your screen name as it does for you to cast aspersions due to his.

Yeah but I’m not citing myself as a source of authority on covid. He is citing Tyler’s Durden’s take on a letter to the editor of the lancet which does not mean what Tyler Durden thinks it means.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 04:05:37 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 14, 2021, 04:01:01 PM
I don't get the joke.  Is it an anagram or something?

That’s the name of the main character’s split personality identity in Fight Club.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2021, 04:39:38 PM
All of the articles are attributed to Tyler Durden. I doubt one person is providing all the articles on the website. I was just too lazy to re-click the Lancet link and copy/pasted the ZH open tab.

Attacking ZH and its writer(s) is just to distract from the legitimate content from The Lancet that goes contrary to the narrative.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Ron on December 14, 2021, 04:39:38 PM
All of the articles are attributed to Tyler Durden. I doubt one person is providing all the articles on the website. I was just too lazy to re-click the Lancet link and copy/pasted the ZH open tab.

Attacking ZH and its writer(s) is just to distract from the legitimate content from The Lancet that goes contrary to the narrative.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext

Except that isn’t a study, it’s a letter to the editor and it doesn’t say anything about how transmission by vaccinated people compares the unvaccinated.

It’s actually ridiculous to cite it in the face of actual studies on the question.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 14, 2021, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: De Selby on December 14, 2021, 04:05:37 PM
That’s the name of the main character’s split personality identity in Fight Club.

Thank-you. :)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2021, 06:02:55 PM
Wherever you stand on covid or The Atlantic, They actually did a somewhat accurate story, which has outraged their readers:

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"Outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over,"

Well, yeah, and it's been going on in a lot of places much longer than the writer thinks. My area has been going about our business since probably July of 2020. There really is a big urban/flyover disconnect as we have somewhat been talking about here and there on APS. We each think the other America is a little crazy.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/14/people-say-theyre-canceling-their-subscriptions-over-the-atlantics-no-one-cares-about-covid-piece/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/where-i-live-no-one-cares-about-covid/620958/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_term=2021-12-13T22%3A43%3A35&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 14, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
^^^The Atlantic article was very thought-provoking to me, living as I do in a healthcare work environment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 14, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
Went out to eat with a friend tonight.
 
You put the mask on to walk through the front door.

You took it off when you got to the bar or your table.

You put it back on again to walk to the restroom or to leave.

Makes PERFECT sense to someone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 14, 2021, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 14, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
Went out to eat with a friend tonight.
 
You put the mask on to walk through the front door.

You took it off when you got to the bar or your table.

You put it back on again to walk to the restroom or to leave.

Makes PERFECT sense to someone.

Are they really still doing that there?  Here there's a sign at the door that says you're strongly encouraged to wear a mask.  Nobody but the waitstaff does.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 14, 2021, 10:40:26 PM
About 2/3 of the customers were obeying.

Seriously. Our media sucks.

99.8%
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 15, 2021, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on December 14, 2021, 10:07:33 PM
Are they really still doing that there?  Here there's a sign at the door that says you're strongly encouraged to wear a mask.  Nobody but the waitstaff does.
That is more or less what I see here.  Most places the employees are wearing masks.  Every place has a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask.  Few people do.   

I had to go to another companies' office yesterday.  I knew their policy was people who are unvaccinated have to wear a mask still.  Less than half the people there were wearing one.


I know someone who works for Equifax.  They were requiring even "work at home" people to be vaccinated.  They sent out a letter after Thanksgiving canceling that policy.  I heard a lot of companies who had set that requirement were doing that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 15, 2021, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 15, 2021, 09:43:58 AM
That is more or less what I see here.  Most places the employees are wearing masks.  Every place has a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask.  Few people do.   

I had to go to another companies' office yesterday.  I knew their policy was people who are unvaccinated have to wear a mask still.  Less than half the people there were wearing one.


I know someone who works for Equifax.  They were requiring even "work at home" people to be vaccinated.  They sent out a letter after Thanksgiving canceling that policy.  I heard a lot of companies who had set that requirement were doing that.

IBM is doubling-down on the vaccine requirement, still pointing the finger at Biden when they do.  Their reason IMHO is really two-told: their "digital vaccine passport app" is too good a business opportunity to let it dry up.  They are coercing the employees to use it (on their personal cell phones) to drive up the user numbers, but there are ways to be compliant w/o using their app, it's just harder.  The other reason is to run off good employees, at least in the USA.  Next they'll be crying for more H1-B visas and/or closing plants in the States and moving operations to China, India, and Bulgaria. (yes, Bulgaria) 

As far as I know, nobody who has requested a religious or medical accommodation has been rejected, but they are really drawing out the process.  There's been a wave of approvals this week; some of the applicants had been waiting for 2 months
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 15, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
You know what would impress me a bleep-ton more than a sign at the front door telling me that I had to wear an ineffective virtue signaler?
 
"We have installed a new HEPA air filtration system for this building, with even better filters, and UV light chambers to kill airborne contaminants."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on December 15, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
The Atlantic article pretty accurately describes my observations throughout the pandemic. I went to a "dueling pianos" event in my hometown last weekend. It was attended by over 300 people, in a tightly packed banquet hall. I didn't see a single mask, including on the staff. There was a short chant regarding some Brandon guy though . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 15, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
Last Sunday, my wife and I went to a Celtic Christmas concert in Mt. Vernon, about 60 miles north of Seattle.  It was very much a grey-haired crowd, and my wife and I commented that there was about 95% mask use.  You had to show proof of vaccination to get in and wear a mask the entire time indoors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 15, 2021, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 15, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
You know what would impress me a bleep-ton more than a sign at the front door telling me that I had to wear an ineffective virtue signaler?
 
"We have installed a new HEPA air filtration system for this building, with even better filters, and UV light chambers to kill airborne contaminants."
The businesses can't do that because they are too busy trying to comply with mask mandates among other things.  BigGov could have helped fund things like that or allow tax incentives for it, but they were too busy giving money away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 15, 2021, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 15, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
Last Sunday, my wife and I went to a Celtic Christmas concert in Mt. Vernon, about 60 miles north of Seattle.  It was very much a grey-haired crowd, and my wife and I commented that there was about 95% mask use.  You had to show proof of vaccination to get in and wear a mask the entire time indoors.

Lincoln Theater?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 15, 2021, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on December 15, 2021, 02:03:53 PM
Lincoln Theater?

Yes, sir.  And we had a great meal beforehand at Skagit River Brewing, where I can recommend the poutine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 15, 2021, 04:56:20 PM
The youth symphony my kids are in was going to perform there but their vax requirements meant we’d lose too many players if we went there.  Same story with McIntyre Hall.  So we’re using the same church as the rehearsals.

Oh, North Sound Brewery has better beer than SRB, but they don’t have food sadly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 15, 2021, 05:41:44 PM
The excellent brewpub two blocks from my house has been closed since it started... The customers pretty much made it clear that they want that illusion of safety, so they have remodeled. I'm hoping that most of the stuff has been common sense, and not a lot of bowing to the "every seat must be 6' away from every other seat" nonsense.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 16, 2021, 07:28:56 AM
And more covid dancing...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-paramedics-cardiac-arrest-leave-covid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 16, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 16, 2021, 07:28:56 AM
And more covid dancing...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-paramedics-cardiac-arrest-leave-covid

This should be a guaranteed civil suit, and frankly, there should be some criminal arrests made.

Outside of the law and into ethics, don't take a job like this if you will only do your job when it's "safe" to do so. Next thing you know, CA fire departments won't rescue people from burning buildings until the people make it outside on their own.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 16, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
It's California. They'll be acquitted and promoted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 16, 2021, 02:25:48 PM
Well, thongs don't count as masks, apparently.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1471308721632563205

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/12/16/watch-florida-man-kicked-off-of-a-united-airlines-flight-for-wearing-thong-panties-as-a-mask/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 16, 2021, 02:43:36 PM
Malicious compliance fail.

If he had modified the panties to fit the CDC guidelines he'd have been OK, or had grounds to sue.  Needs another layer of fabric, and to be held tightly on the sides.

An E4 would have done better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 16, 2021, 02:48:12 PM
"Sir, I don't know how to be any more clear.  If she is still wearing them, I can't consider it your mask ..."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 16, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 16, 2021, 02:48:12 PM
"Sir, I don't know how to be any more clear.  If she is still wearing them, I can't consider it your mask ..."

THAT is not in the CDC guidelines.  As long as they are tight on the sides.....
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 16, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 16, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
THAT is not in the CDC guidelines.  As long as they are tight on the sides.....
And her yoga pants are a second layer, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 16, 2021, 03:03:03 PM
Exactly.  =D

You can lower them between bites though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 16, 2021, 06:54:43 PM
Don't even talk to me about yoga pants...
 
If one can see the cellulite on the cellulite, that fashion statement is really not for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 17, 2021, 08:39:07 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/do-mask-policies-work-countries-with-them-had-lower-covid-death-rates-study-says/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2phvkZXDtrfk1dGuEtPCsd4ETd00foOl1jO4QItkJ9-KdlF0r9vBl8BqE#Echobox=1639716421

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext

CONCLUSIONS
The results of this study show a significant association between face mask mandates and reductions in COVID-19 mortality. This evidence supports the positive impact of face mask policies on saving peoples’ lives.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 17, 2021, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 16, 2021, 06:54:43 PM
Don't even talk to me about yoga pants...
 
If one can see the cellulite on the cellulite, that fashion statement is really not for you.

300 lbs girls in spandex/yoga pants  [barf]

How the heck do they even put it on? I really really don't want to know.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 17, 2021, 11:09:26 AM
Politico  made a "pandemic scorecard". Keeping in mind their left-leaning reporting, I thought this was an interesting chart for a couple of general reasons:

First, the intermixing of states that really locked down and states that just went about their business. For instance, in Idaho we gave up on lockdown crap very early on, but showed up at #4 on this chart. While locked-down Maryland beat us on the list, states like CA were much farther down. We didn't score highly on things like mask mandates, but we exceled at keeping our economy going and getting kids back in school.

Second, the criteria was not just health. Rather than look strictly at infections and deaths, they looked at several other factors, like economy and education, which, long term, are certainly as important as initial response to infection. Idaho didn't score highly on things like mask mandates and vaccines, but we exceled at keeping our economy going and getting kids back in school. Other states scored highly in the health category, but at the expense of things like putting their kids years behind in education.

Just kind of an interesting look to me at the costs and benefits of various response strategies.

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/covid-by-the-numbers-how-each-state-fared-on-our-pandemic-scorecard/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 17, 2021, 11:35:02 AM
But that won't matter when all the children die because they haven't been wearing masks at school.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on December 17, 2021, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 17, 2021, 08:39:07 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/do-mask-policies-work-countries-with-them-had-lower-covid-death-rates-study-says/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2phvkZXDtrfk1dGuEtPCsd4ETd00foOl1jO4QItkJ9-KdlF0r9vBl8BqE#Echobox=1639716421

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext

CONCLUSIONS
The results of this study show a significant association between face mask mandates and reductions in COVID-19 mortality. This evidence supports the positive impact of face mask policies on saving peoples’ lives.

FWIW, my friend at Boeing reports they have dropped their attempted vax mandate for employees.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 17, 2021, 03:47:19 PM
^^^I just read that.  Boeing is citing the reversal of the Federal mandate as the reason.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 21, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
 :rofl: :facepalm:

Looks like this totally sane and science-following airplane passenger isn’t taking any chances when it comes to protecting herself from COVID [pic]
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/21/looks-like-this-totally-sane-and-science-following-airplane-passenger-isnt-taking-any-chances-when-it-comes-to-protecting-herself-from-covid-pic/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 21, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
Only two pairs of gloves - I bet there's some fumblery afoot when the authoritays request her papers...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 21, 2021, 10:21:07 PM
I've been watching this guy since Operation Clusterbleep (uh... how do you say that in Chinese?) started...
 
https://youtu.be/8pcIbVvHI2c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2021, 08:16:05 AM
"The covid tests are in the mail."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/12/23/new-york-times-exposes-the-sheer-emptiness-of-president-bidens-promise-of-500-million-free-rapid-covid-tests-that-are-weeks-away-if-not-longer/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 24, 2021, 06:22:45 PM
VACCINATE! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

Well, so much for science. Sweden, the European country with essentially NO lock-downs or mask mandates, he just been overtaken in mortality rate by Austria, which is similar in both population and demographics and which has been one of the strictest in lock-downs and masking.

https://swprs.org/judgment-day-sweden-vindicated/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 24, 2021, 08:34:58 PM
More on THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

Unless it's not.

It seems the "science" of quarantines isn't as settled as it was a couple of weeks ago, if it involves keeping people away from jobs that the .gov would prefer to have people doing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-airlines-cancel-flights-as-omicron-disruptions-grow-11640347969

Once again, it would appear that the science is settled ... until the .gov decides to change it. And THAT, Folks, is not science. That's arbitrary and capricious rule making for the sake of appearing to be doing something(TM).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 24, 2021, 08:43:02 PM
But they HAVE to DO SOMETHING, and it HAS to be VISIBLE!
 
That's the thing... We had a "quarantine" in St. Louis, but the buses still ran. And still dropped off folks at care facilities.

We had a "quarantine" except for essential businesses. Home Depot had a line out the front halfway around the building.

And then there was Toilet Paper Thunderdome and The Cleaning Of The Shelves.

You might never be able to buy Ramen again!

Today? I got maybe six cases of oil, none of it for diesels...
 
THAT is what is visible to my customers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 24, 2021, 09:43:26 PM
All during this pandemic with lockdowns and quarantines, during travel restrictions and vaccine mandates our Southern border is still wide open. If they get serious about shutting down unrestricted entry of untested, unvaccinated illegal immigrants I might consider taking the howler monkeys of doom seriously (not really).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on December 24, 2021, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on December 24, 2021, 09:43:26 PM
All during this pandemic with lockdowns and quarantines, during travel restrictions and vaccine mandates our Southern border is still wide open. If they get serious about shutting down unrestricted entry of untested, unvaccinated illegal immigrants I might consider taking the howler monkeys of doom seriously (not really).

Then they would need to stop buying ocean front property while screaming about the oceans rising.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 24, 2021, 11:19:17 PM
You have to follow the science, you heathens!
 
Undocumented potential citizens, peaceful protesters, and the like are not able to be infected. Only horrible conservatives who attend superspreader events, like church...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 24, 2021, 11:47:06 PM
Quote from: Bogie on December 24, 2021, 11:19:17 PM
You have to follow the science, you heathens!
 
Undocumented potential citizens voters, peaceful protesters, and the like are not able to be infected. Only horrible conservatives who attend superspreader events, like church...

FIFY.

Citizenship is optional -- voting is mandatory.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on December 25, 2021, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 24, 2021, 11:47:06 PM
FIFY.

Citizenship is optional -- voting is mandatory.

No it's not. You don't have to vote, the D party will gladly vote for you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 26, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
 :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/jamestalarico/status/1474825540980948999
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 26, 2021, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 26, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
:facepalm:

https://twitter.com/jamestalarico/status/1474825540980948999


Look at the fine print on that box. His mask is removable - yours is not.  :police:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 26, 2021, 07:46:53 PM
The one comment...

"A figure for those not getting any other action..."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 31, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
Interesting, and not at all like "back of the bus" for white people:

Quote
The state of New York said it will prioritize non-White people in the distribution of COVID-19 treatments in short supply.

New York’s Department of Health released a document detailing its plan to distribute the treatments, such as monoclonal antibody treatment and antiviral pills.

The plan includes a section on eligibility for the scarce antiviral pills that people must meet to receive the treatment, including a line stating a person needs to have "a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness."

One such "risk factor" is being a race or ethnicity that is not White due to "longstanding systemic health and social inequities"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-prioritize-non-white-people-low-supply-of-covid-19-treatments
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 31, 2021, 02:10:14 PM
Some are more equal than others
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 01, 2022, 04:22:40 PM
Antarctica:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/01/01/covid-outbreak-hits-antarctic-research-outpost-two-thirds-of-staff-at-the-station-infected/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 01, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Didn't know Trump held a rally in Antarctica
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 04, 2022, 06:15:05 PM
 :O

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1478135999309893633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 05, 2022, 08:56:26 AM
US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59876583

Quote
Police say Laura Russo administered the dose at her home despite having no legal authorisation to give jabs, or consent from the boy's parents.

Ms Russo, 54, who teaches biology, was held on New Year's Eve and could face four years in prison if convicted.

The 17-year-old boy had reportedly wanted the vaccine.

Quote
Police say it is unclear how Ms Russo obtained the alleged Covid vaccine, or what brand it is. Currently, the Pfizer-BioNTech jab is the only one authorised for Americans under 18 years old.

This crap is a cult with some of these people. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on January 05, 2022, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 05, 2022, 08:56:26 AM
US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59876583

This crap is a cult with some of these people.

From the article:

Quote
Video of the incident in Long Island appears to show Ms Russo telling the teenager: "You'll be fine, I hope."

"Here you go. At-home vaccine," he says.

Ms. Russo seems to consistently fail at risk estimation and management.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 05, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
Sort of tangential, but I just now saw on TV that a bunch of the big players like Google pulled out of CES this year (it's going on now) due to the covid. It was suggested that it might actually be a good thing for all the smaller and innovative players there that get ignored when the big boys are present.

It seem analogous to the larger differences between states like CA that continue to shut down for covid and flyover states that continue to do business as usual and prosper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on January 05, 2022, 12:27:55 PM
Quote
Spontaneous Order in Complex Systems

As expected, my last piece generated a wealth of critical comments.

I don’t deny that there are many bad actors scattered across our governments, and that these bad actors coordinate, plan and conspire. The question, is not whether there are conspiracies, or whether these policies benefit our oligarchic elites, or whether I’ve looked into Event 201. The question, is what is the dominant force driving containment and universal vaccination right now.

The one thing I want to convey here, more than anything else, is the complexity and extent of modern western governments. These are unbelievably elaborate systems, and they are not easily controlled or understood by individuals or confined groups...

Good read:

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/spontaneous-order-in-complex-systems
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 05, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
I don't think that we've seen conspiracies as of late - I do think that we've seen a whole bunch of people simultaneously doing what they think is right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 05, 2022, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: Bogie on January 05, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
I don't think that we've seen conspiracies as of late - I do think that we've seen a whole bunch of people simultaneously doing what they think is right.
..but some people are flat out wrong and doing evil stuff so I really don't care if they think it is the right thing or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 10, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
The "Forever Maskers":

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 10, 2022, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on January 10, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
The "Forever Maskers":

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html

That some people find masks unbearable and others find them "not even a minor inconvenience" is never discussed. I wonder how many mask nazis would even consider the possibility.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 11, 2022, 03:09:58 PM
Trump continues to live rent-free in liberal minds:

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Which-mask-What-test-Covid-s-latest-surge-16766542.php

Quote
Franklin heaped blame on Donald Trump's handling of the first year of the pandemic, but now, he said, "I look at the lack of tests and the confusing messages, and people on my side - for mandates and vaccination - are hesitant to criticize Biden for fear of empowering Trump, but it's a mess."

But, before that, the article has this to say:

Quote
On seemingly every front in the battle against the coronavirus, the messages are muddled: Test or don't test? Which test? When? Isolate or not? For five days? Ten? Go to school or not? See friends and resume normal life, or hunker down again - and if so, for how long, to what end?

The swift and supremely efficient spread of the omicron variant - 7 million cases in the past month, though deaths have declined slightly in the past two weeks - has unleashed waves of new rules and decisions governing every aspect of life. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's guidance shifts from week to week, with changing recommendations on how long people infected with the virus should isolate and who needs to be tested after symptoms resolve. A half-dozen of President Joe Biden's former health advisers recently called on him to pivot to a "new normal" strategy of living with the coronavirus indefinitely.

So if Trump didn't know exactly how to deal with an unprecedented situation, he was evil. If Biden still hasn't figured it out -- two years later -- well, after all, it's an unprecedented situation, so let's all just go along.

Quote
That fraying of the public temper was on the mind of CDC Director Rochelle Walensky recently when she said on CNN that although the agency's decision to slice the recommended quarantine period from 10 days to five days was based on scientific findings, it also "really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate. . . . Less than a third of people are isolating when they need to. And so we really want to make sure that we had guidance . . . that people were willing to adhere to."

So, in other words, the shorter quarantine time really isn't based on science, it's based on P.R. "optics."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 11, 2022, 09:53:07 PM
And 95% of it is handwavium.
 
It doesn't do anything.
 
You're gonna catch a cold.
 
And you may hate me for saying this, but it more than likely will NOT kill you.
 
And if you are intelligent enough to NOT go visit Gramma in the nursing home while you have the snifflies, she'll probably be okay too.
 
Then again - it seems like most of the covid dancers are fairly low information individuals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on January 12, 2022, 07:09:04 AM
Handwavium is right. This is how it works in France. See if you can grasp the logic.

You need vaccine and booster to get a health pass. Or a negative test from the past 3 days. They are going to take away the test and recovery options this week though, and make it strictly a vaccine pass.

Packed onto a bus or metro with 50 other people? No pass needed.

Waiting in a lunch line 5 cm apart? Even inside? Fine without a pass (because you are ordering carry out). You can even find police in these lines. It's fine apparently.

Crowded outdoor market or crowded supermarket aisles? No pass needed.

Sitting down at a restaurant eating? BANNED unless you have a pass.

Standing at the bar eating or drinking? BANNED for everyone, even if you do have a pass (seriously, it's specifically forbidden to eat standing up. You can only eat sitting down).

Sitting down at restaurant eating "outside" (including sheltered terraces that are 90% enclosed? Fine without a pass.

The health pass is seriously a joke they invented just to punish unvaccinated people by banning them from doing fun things, with absolutely no connection to spreading the virus or not. But they are just doubling down and blaming unvaccinated people for everything.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 12, 2022, 07:34:35 AM
My company has just announced that we're going back to full masks, all the time, including outside if more than 1 person is present.

No gathering in commons areas (they don't define what a "gathering" is).

No potlucks and no food sharing. The food sharing is a new one. Didn't crop up last time.

A return to full social distancing.

LOTS of grumbling from the people I work with.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 12, 2022, 08:50:10 AM
Quote from: zahc on January 12, 2022, 07:09:04 AM
Handwavium is right. This is how it works in France. See if you can grasp the logic.

You need vaccine and booster to get a health pass. Or a negative test from the past 3 days. They are going to take away the test and recovery options this week though, and make it strictly a vaccine pass.

Packed onto a bus or metro with 50 other people? No pass needed.

Waiting in a lunch line 5 cm apart? Even inside? Fine without a pass (because you are ordering carry out). You can even find police in these lines. It's fine apparently.

Crowded outdoor market or crowded supermarket aisles? No pass needed.

Sitting down at a restaurant eating? BANNED unless you have a pass.

Standing at the bar eating or drinking? BANNED for everyone, even if you do have a pass (seriously, it's specifically forbidden to eat standing up. You can only eat sitting down).

Sitting down at restaurant eating "outside" (including sheltered terraces that are 90% enclosed? Fine without a pass.

The health pass is seriously a joke they invented just to punish unvaccinated people by banning them from doing fun things, with absolutely no connection to spreading the virus or not. But they are just doubling down and blaming unvaccinated people for everything.

Mozell tov!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 09:00:37 AM
My work said starting in Feb, anyone who is not vaccinated has to get tested weekly and wear a mask 100% of the time on company property.  Fun.  I hope the SC limits that OSHA order a little bit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on January 12, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
I've long thought that covid originated in a lab and escaped by accident, but that info was hidden by the govt and media.

This article adds some evidence to my beliefs, but I don't know the accuracy of it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hidden-military-documents-reveal-nih-intent-create-sars-cov-2-using-gain-function-research
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 12, 2022, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on January 12, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
I've long thought that covid originated in a lab and escaped by accident, but that info was hidden by the govt and media.

I am also still of this opinion. We are considered crackpots for one of the most logical explanations, as well as one of the most plausible explanations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: Fly320s on January 12, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
I've long thought that covid originated in a lab and escaped by accident, but that info was hidden by the govt and media.

This article adds some evidence to my beliefs, but I don't know the accuracy of it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hidden-military-documents-reveal-nih-intent-create-sars-cov-2-using-gain-function-research
Lots of little details in that.  Including talking about Ivermectin as something that inhibits the virus and talk about spike protein vaccines may be problematic. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on January 12, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 09:00:37 AM
My work said starting in Feb, anyone who is not vaccinated has to get tested weekly and wear a mask 100% of the time on company property.  Fun.  I hope the SC limits that OSHA order a little bit.

Your employer could still enforce that, regardless of the SC decision as a condition of employment, IIRC.

Iowa governor has made a proclamation that Iowa will not enforce any vax/mask mandate from OSHA, but that hasn't stopped employers from creating that policy. A lot of school districts are starting to require vax mandates for staff and students, haven't heard any scuttle from the state to stop them. Iowa is an at will state, so you can be terminated without cause.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on January 12, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 12, 2022, 10:36:14 AM
I am also still of this opinion. We are considered crackpots for one of the most logical explanations, as well as one of the most plausible explanations.

You don't have to know the truth to reject obvious lies and misinformation from " legitimate authorities".

If "legitimate authorities" have demonstrably spread misinformation and lied to you multiple times - you question the truth content of everything they say going forward.

Once you allow yourself to question or reject statements by lying authorities you expand the Overton window on what is possible.

You can now weigh all possibilities.

You hold all sources to the standard that caused you to reject the lies of "legitimate authorities".

You don't logically reject one set of liars and gullibly accept others.

I considered the bioweapon/gain of function, attack/escape theory early on and nothing has falsified it as far as I can tell. It is a real option on the table still.

The official narrative is filled with so many lies, contradictions and incoherencies that I'm finding it hard to trust anything said by those who hold/held to the narrative. Including President Warpspeed.

It is hard losing confidence in all the institutions you've trusted your whole life, but nobody said rejecting lies and demanding truth was easy.

Not knowing the whole truth is better than believing lies masquerading as truth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 12, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
The politicians have to Do Something to appease the people who they have scared shitless.
 
And they have to do MOAR of it! MOAR!
 
They are going to FIGHT this! That's what politicians do!
 
They fight hard on your behalf. Just ask them. They'll tell you about that. MOAR.

It is for your own good, and if you question it, you are denying science (we've had over a year of instruction on that concept), and endangering others. And if you say that Junior probably won't eve notice catching the bug, and that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits in young people, you are shouted down. Long Covids! Long Covids! Never mind that they aren't venting the kids, etc... Because they don't need to.
 
They're so damn scared of catching what isn't even the worst cold that I've had... Omegatron was about two days of nasal nasty, coughing, still have a bit of a sore throat.
 
Maybe I should day home for a month and try to get disability for Long Covids...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 12, 2022, 11:38:45 AM
And people have even put down family pets because they're worried about catching the covids from their doggies... Who haven't been going to the store to buy all the stuffs...
 
And doubtless now someone will call me a science denier. Because I haven't believed the twisted numbers from the start.

China cooked up a propaganda blitz, because they needed to cover for removing the folks in Hong Kong who had been protesting since June of 2019... And bam, there's a bug...
 
Oh, and saw something but didn't have time to trace it yesterday - CDC allegedly agreed that the "from" numbers are under 10% of the "with" numbers that everyone keeps spittlescreeching about.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 12, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: charby on January 12, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
Your employer could still enforce that, regardless of the SC decision as a condition of employment, IIRC.
That's true, but many businesses are only making it a big stinkin' deal either because of the cover the government mandate provides or because of the threat that it comes with.

My company appears to be waiting until it starts getting enforced.  The owner doesn't think the mandate is legal or ethical and is hoping it gets sorted out by the Supreme Court before he has to start implementing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 12, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
I work for a large multinationals corporation.

They've been out ahead of the government on a lot of stuff.

But, since many of our customers are the government, we've also had to to the customer's line on a lot of these issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 12, 2022, 01:48:53 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-business-fears-never-ending-liability-take-home-covid-19-lawsuits-2022-01-12/

Things that make the risk manager go 'hmmm'.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Bogie on January 12, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
The politicians have to Do Something to appease the people who they have scared shitless.
 
And they have to do MOAR of it! MOAR!
 
They are going to FIGHT this! That's what politicians do!
 
They fight hard on your behalf. Just ask them. They'll tell you about that. MOAR.

It is for your own good, and if you question it, you are denying science (we've had over a year of instruction on that concept), and endangering others. And if you say that Junior probably won't eve notice catching the bug, and that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits in young people, you are shouted down. Long Covids! Long Covids! Never mind that they aren't venting the kids, etc... Because they don't need to.
 
They're so damn scared of catching what isn't even the worst cold that I've had... Omegatron was about two days of nasal nasty, coughing, still have a bit of a sore throat.
 
Maybe I should day home for a month and try to get disability for Long Covids...
IMO, the fear porn is not the cause but a tactic of the whole mess.  "Never let a crisis go to waste."  They decided this was something they could use because emergency powers and public fear are excellent catalysts for the changes they want. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: cordex on January 12, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
That's true, but many businesses are only making it a big stinkin' deal either because of the cover the government mandate provides or because of the threat that it comes with.

My company appears to be waiting until it starts getting enforced.  The owner doesn't think the mandate is legal or ethical and is hoping it gets sorted out by the Supreme Court before he has to start implementing it.
My employee waited a while before doing anything.  OSHA issuing their new rules and trying to move ahead with them is why they did so.  They said they will pay for the testing so I can't imagine they would continue to eat that cost and the cost of tracking everything if the rule was struck down. 
I am not vaccinated.  I am feeling pretty stubborn about it right now.  We will see.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 12, 2022, 02:50:04 PM
I'm beginning to understand why so few people want to work these days, and why "remoting" is so popular.

I am very blessed to be working for a small business, without a lot of the corporate conformity or pressures.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2022, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on January 12, 2022, 02:50:04 PM
I'm beginning to understand why so few people want to work these days, and why "remoting" is so popular.

I am very blessed to be working for a small business, without a lot of the corporate conformity or pressures.
My brother works from home for a company that is not even based in his state.  They still required vaccination for remote employees. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 27, 2022, 06:13:10 PM

FreedomToons: masking kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTUcxR9PAY4
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 31, 2022, 11:04:14 AM
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/31/unmask-my-children-now-calif-gov-gavin-newsom-friends-didnt-seem-concerned-about-the-science-at-nfc-championship-game/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKb8CFYUYAMZeo4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 08, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
The 180s continue.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/02/08/the-great-gaslighting-cnn-medical-analyst-dr-leana-wen-cant-help-but-further-give-away-dems-game-on-mask-mandates-video/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 08, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
But the "science has changed"  [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 08, 2022, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: Ron on February 08, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
But the "science has changed"  [popcorn]

The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 08, 2022, 11:20:46 AM
Quote from: WLJ on February 08, 2022, 11:15:57 AM
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
The science is settled!
=(  Imaging, hating science while posting on the internet!  Why do you hate medicine that saves babies?  Why do you hate babies WLJ?!?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 08, 2022, 02:19:52 PM
The redneck part of me wants to yell "Bleep you, bat eater!"
 
I think I'm gonna go out for some General Tso's tonight...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2022, 08:38:27 AM
This is kinda how I feel anytime I talk to friends and former coworkers back in California:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/02/10/tech-ceo-in-miami-gives-his-visiting-friend-from-seattle-a-covid-wake-up-call/

I've mentioned it here before, but it's like talking to people from a completely different planet. I know they feel the same way when they talk to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2022, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Bogie on February 08, 2022, 02:19:52 PM
The redneck part of me wants to yell "Bleep you, bat eater!"
 
I think I'm gonna go out for some General Tso's tonight...

Which isn't actually Chinese so you're safe from actualizations of cultural appropriation
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
COVID reparations for "marginalized groups"

I'll give you some highlights if you don't want to go to the link

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But we can’t truly move beyond the pandemic until we talk about "Covid reparations," or compensation for the people who’ve suffered (and continue to suffer) the most because of government failures and historic inequality. For example, there’s overwhelming evidence Black, Latino and Indigenous people have been disproportionately killed by Covid. The idea of Covid reparations isn’t new, and it’s swirled furiously through my mind over the past 23 months, seeing sirens flash and funeral processions pass with unnerving frequency.

Quote
The first year of the pandemic, the U.S. response was led by a maniacal president who appeared to deliberately let the virus spread and do damage, so the number of people who could collect on Covid reparations would surely be in the multimillions. But that shouldn’t hinder us from considering how reparations could be implemented. All who endured the Trump administration’s incompetence, families of those who didn’t, and anyone still coping with the government’s lingering Covid-related issues deserve pay.
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“Many of us have gone into medicine because we recognize the inequities and we recognize how racism impacts Black communities,” she said. “So for a lot of us, health care work and activism are one in the same.”
To move past the pandemic, we need to talk about Covid reparations
Dr. Uché Blackstock gives insight on what the future of Covid-19 care might look like for marginalized groups who have suffered the most.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/covid-reparations-rcna15501
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on February 10, 2022, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: Ron on February 08, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
But the "science has changed"  [popcorn]

Yeah, the "science" of politics. There is an election coming up and the voters are weary. Let us hope there are enough voters with long enough memories come November. :facepalm:

Woody  :old:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 10, 2022, 07:22:11 PM
You know who needs covid reparations? The essential untouchables who showed up every day, got bitched at by Karens, and who are about this >< far from snapping at the next idjit...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2022, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 10, 2022, 07:22:11 PM
You know who needs covid reparations? The essential untouchables who showed up every day, got bitched at by Karens, and who are about this >< far from snapping at the next idjit...

But they probably don't vote straight democrat
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 10, 2022, 07:28:32 PM
You give me enough reparations, and I'll claim to...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 10, 2022, 09:14:10 PM
From what I'm reading and seeing it looks like the pandemic is going to be winding down despite the governments best efforts to keep it going.

The people have spoken and are speaking, Honk Honk, they've had enough.



Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 11, 2022, 07:27:46 AM
Well when it became obvious people were no longer scared enough, they had to wind it down before the midterms.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on February 11, 2022, 08:58:08 AM
They have a new money drum to pound now. Now it's all about war, war, war. Pandemic is so 2020. Pfizer is all set up to sell heart medication forever, time for the military segment to get theirs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 11, 2022, 09:21:13 AM
I find it hard to believe they will be able to give up on their dictatorial thinking.  They have gotten a taste of it the last couple years and will have a hard time giving it up. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 11, 2022, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 11, 2022, 09:21:13 AM
I find it hard to believe they will be able to give up on their dictatorial thinking.  They have gotten a taste of it the last couple years and will have a hard time giving it up.

They just need to find another crisis from which to save us.  War with Russia and/or China?  Globular woerming?  Never fear, they'll find something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 11, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
How is this not kidnapping?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/11/child-abuse-is-an-elixir-for-democrats-middle-school-student-locked-in-closet-at-illinois-school-for-not-wearing-a-mask-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 11, 2022, 11:20:31 AM
Next year, after the adults that did this are protected by their union, and taxpayers fork over a settlement:

"We have no idea why kids feel like their only recourse is to bring violence to schools.  It's probably video games and guntoobers."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 11, 2022, 11:45:47 AM
I'd definitely like to hear more about what was happening there, but locking kids up (especially the video that was legitimately locked, not just held shut by someone on the other side) is a bad look for a school. 

It has been very easy to feel constantly justified in pulling my kids out of school, even realizing that our local district hasn't had anything like the worst of the behavior we've seen.

Not sure I see any connection between violence in schools and this kind of behavior, though.  Parental violence maybe ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 11, 2022, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 11, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
How is this not kidnapping?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/11/child-abuse-is-an-elixir-for-democrats-middle-school-student-locked-in-closet-at-illinois-school-for-not-wearing-a-mask-watch/

Depends on which side of the narrative they on
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 11, 2022, 12:19:44 PM
Quote
Tony Rock 🇺🇸
@Tony_Rock01
Replying to @libsoftiktok
I don’t think there is a group of professionals that came out looking worse during this pandemic than teachers.

I think school administrators and school board members might be looking worse, but almost the same thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 15, 2022, 08:37:26 AM
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/easilyaccessible-overthecounter-drug-reduces-covid19-symptoms-suggests-study/?fbclid=IwAR29Lpj8IsqhPkkQWaDaK-tGf2bOgKKa5svTjB_wcm3BODBfJXaMl-1bcSI

https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2022/02/09/gutjnl-2022-326952

Taking OTC Pepcid may reduce severity and duration of COVID symptoms.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2022, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 15, 2022, 08:37:26 AM
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/easilyaccessible-overthecounter-drug-reduces-covid19-symptoms-suggests-study/?fbclid=IwAR29Lpj8IsqhPkkQWaDaK-tGf2bOgKKa5svTjB_wcm3BODBfJXaMl-1bcSI

https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2022/02/09/gutjnl-2022-326952

Taking OTC Pepcid may reduce severity and duration of COVID symptoms.

Very interesting. I take the Kirkland equivalent of this because of esophageal damage I got from diving at work. While I had fairly strong symptoms back when I had the covid, I wonder if this actually made them milder than they otherwise would have been?

They'd better not go on the Joe Rogan show with it, or they'll be censored out of existence.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 15, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
I think it would be wonderful if an existing, widely tested, safe, affordable drug could be employed for off-label use to treat COVID symptoms and help people.  That would be great.  On the other hand, I'm not sure mild improvement of a scant handful of patients a couple of days earlier in a single study is particularly compelling.

However, if you find that tiny study interesting, I bet you could find some other off-label drugs with more and larger studies backing them.   ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 15, 2022, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 15, 2022, 08:48:09 AM
Very interesting. I take the Kirkland equivalent of this because of esophageal damage I got from diving at work. While I had fairly strong symptoms back when I had the covid, I wonder if this actually made them milder than they otherwise would have been?

They'd better not go on the Joe Rogan show with it, or they'll be censored out of existence.  :laugh:


DON'T YOU BE PUSHING YOUR HORSE ANTIACID, YOU CIS NORMAL *expletive deleted*it LORD MISINFORMATION SPECIALIST!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 15, 2022, 09:50:00 AM
Ask your doctor if they have every written any prescriptions off-label, and if they say yes, scream at them incoherently.
 
If they lie, scream at them incoherently.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 15, 2022, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: cordex on February 15, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
I think it would be wonderful if an existing, widely tested, safe, affordable drug could be employed for off-label use to treat COVID symptoms and help people.  That would be great.  On the other hand, I'm not sure mild improvement of a scant handful of patients a couple of days earlier in a single study is particularly compelling.

However, if you find that tiny study interesting, I bet you could find some other off-label drugs with more and larger studies backing them.   ;)

H1 and H2 antihistamines have shown to lesson symptoms all along ... in some people.
Before the virus was already raging in the USA China was using famotidine as a treatment. Many folks in the long covid/vaccine injured "community" are having relief of symptoms using OTC H1 and H2 antihistamines. A lot of the systemic inflammation Covid causes is related to mast cell activation. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 15, 2022, 10:15:02 AM
So, let me guess - they're going to be off the market come hay fever season, due to the Branch Covidians canceling them?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 15, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: cordex on February 15, 2022, 08:57:54 AM
I think it would be wonderful if an existing, widely tested, safe, affordable drug could be employed for off-label use to treat COVID symptoms and help people.  That would be great.  On the other hand, I'm not sure mild improvement of a scant handful of patients a couple of days earlier in a single study is particularly compelling.

However, if you find that tiny study interesting, I bet you could find some other off-label drugs with more and larger studies backing them.   ;)

It is the tiny study results that are subsequently replicated with larger well-controlled studies that I bet my money on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 15, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
But, but, but... Tiny studies have no value, and should be ignored, and anyone promoting them should have their licenses to practice stripped.
 
<there - am I doing that right?>
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on February 15, 2022, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 15, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
But, but, but... Tiny studies have no value, and should be ignored, and anyone promoting them should have their licenses to practice stripped.
 
<there - am I doing that right?>

Tiny studies are valuable if they say what you want them to.  Pretty much everybody does that.  (I do that.)  If they promote the official narrative, they can be tried again on a larger scale with better controls.  If they go against the narrative, they are ridiculed and/or buried, and anyone who tries to utilize them gets professionally crucified.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 15, 2022, 12:50:33 PM
I for one am happy they are looking into the antihistamine angle officially.

H1 and H2 antihistamines helped me during recovery immensely. In the recovery/long Covid/vaccine injured forums they are widely reported as being beneficial for many. Unfortunately, in those forums not everyone gains relief from them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 15, 2022, 12:52:31 PM
Put them in JAIL! Put them ALL IN JAIL!
 
As of last night, we still have people going around with multiple masks, glasses, hats (uh...), hoodies (often over the hat...), and gloves, and they make copious use of the hand sanitizer thingie at the front of the store. With the gloves on... Then they wander around the store, picking stuff up, carrying it, putting it down somewhere else, and I've gotta try to catch 'em putting something in a pocket...
 
I want this OVER.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Covid in Hong Kong right now:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1493847637140803584
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 16, 2022, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: Ben on February 16, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Covid in Hong Kong right now:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1493847637140803584
It isn't really clear.  Are those people all real sick?  Or just there to be tested? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 16, 2022, 09:21:16 AM
It isn't really clear.  Are those people all real sick?  Or just there to be tested?

From the way I read it, sick. It was at a twitchy vip link where you have to do the fancy tricks depending on your browser to get around the paywall to read it:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/02/16/photos-dont-look-now-but-hong-kongs-zero-covid-strategy-is-failing/

https://twitter.com/hkfp/status/1493885391975620609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1493885391975620609%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2022%2F02%2F16%2Fphotos-dont-look-now-but-hong-kongs-zero-covid-strategy-is-failing%2F
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 16, 2022, 12:27:15 PM
So... Is that what the Chinese expect us to do next?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2022, 10:47:07 AM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/18/its-science-totally-va-democrats-busted-in-the-most-embarrassingly-obnoxious-and-obvious-mask-theater-yet-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 18, 2022, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 18, 2022, 10:47:07 AM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/18/its-science-totally-va-democrats-busted-in-the-most-embarrassingly-obnoxious-and-obvious-mask-theater-yet-watch/


That right there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 19, 2022, 07:22:11 AM
Back in January my company went back to full face masks all the time, to which I said bullshit. I've not put on a mask in weeks. There's hardly anyone in my building.

Yesterday got an email from one of the big honchos. My company is, starting March 1, moving back to a work from the office model.

No word at all on face masks, but my guess is they're going to double down on masks.

So, you think it's safe enough for the majority of people to return to the office, but it's so unsafe that we still have to wear masks?

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2022, 08:53:15 AM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789362?guestAccessKey=58760460-df0f-4790-9257-8f3682dca39b&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=021822

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/02/18/covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-ineffective-study/3441645193314/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/97287
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/ivermectin-futile-mild-moderate-covid-19-study-finds

More literature on the efficacy of ivermectin.

Study on politics and prescribing: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789363
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 19, 2022, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2022, 08:53:15 AM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789362?guestAccessKey=58760460-df0f-4790-9257-8f3682dca39b&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=021822

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/02/18/covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-ineffective-study/3441645193314/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/97287
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/ivermectin-futile-mild-moderate-covid-19-study-finds

More literature on the efficacy of ivermectin.

Study on politics and prescribing: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789363

The fly in the ointment (horsefly in the paste?) is how well in seemed to work in India and a couple other places.

Then I read some speculation that maybe the reason it appeared to work in the predominately poor state in India was that it boosted their immune symptom. Their immune systems functioned better due to ... wait for it... Ivermectin killing all the parasites that their immune system was dealing with, allowing them to fight off Covid. Apparently poor folks in India often have one or more parasite infections. Sounds plausible.



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Post by: Perd Hapley on February 19, 2022, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: K Frame on February 19, 2022, 07:22:11 AM
So, you think it's safe enough for the majority of people to return to the office, but it's so unsafe that we still have to wear masks?

Legal butt-covering.
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Post by: sumpnz on February 19, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: Ron on February 19, 2022, 12:54:39 PM
The fly in the ointment (horsefly in the paste?) is how well in seemed to work in India and a couple other places.

Then I read some speculation that maybe the reason it appeared to work in the predominately poor state in India was that it boosted their immune symptom. Their immune systems functioned better due to ... wait for it... Ivermectin killing all the parasites that their immune system was dealing with, allowing them to fight off Covid. Apparently poor folks in India often have one or more parasite infections. Sounds plausible.





I lived in New Zealand in high school as an exchange student.  There were 5 of us in the same city (Christchurch).  Another American, a Norwegian, a Paraguayan and one I can’t remember.  We had a group video chat a while back, near the start of the pandemic.  The Paraguayan gal mentioned ivermectin as a treatment there.  Although I didn’t say it my first thought was that eliminating the parasite load might have been a key factor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 19, 2022, 04:30:03 PM
Quote from: K Frame on February 19, 2022, 07:22:11 AM
Back in January my company went back to full face masks all the time, to which I said bullshit. I've not put on a mask in weeks. There's hardly anyone in my building.

Yesterday got an email from one of the big honchos. My company is, starting March 1, moving back to a work from the office model.

No word at all on face masks, but my guess is they're going to double down on masks.

So, you think it's safe enough for the majority of people to return to the office, but it's so unsafe that we still have to wear masks?
I think a lot of places/companies saw a spike in cases in January after the holidays and case numbers dropped off substantially very quickly.  That was the case down here.
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Post by: Bogie on February 19, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2022, 08:53:15 AM

Study on politics and prescribing: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789363

"These limitations notwithstanding, our findings are consistent with the hypothesis that US prescribing of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been influenced by political affiliation. Because political affiliation should not be a factor in clinical treatment decisions, our findings raise concerns for public trust in a nonpartisan health care system."
 
And of course, they seem to have no problem at all with using political affiliation when blocking research or prescribing.
 
What I've mostly seen is the bureaucratic left blocking anyone who says "What if? It isn't going to hurt anything?"
 
Shouldn't all the evil folks with the red hats, or at least the evil folks who never wore the pussy hats, all be dead by now?
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Post by: Pb on February 19, 2022, 09:44:17 PM
Quote from: Ron on February 19, 2022, 12:54:39 PM
The fly in the ointment (horsefly in the paste?) is how well in seemed to work in India and a couple other places.

Then I read some speculation that maybe the reason it appeared to work in the predominately poor state in India was that it boosted their immune symptom. Their immune systems functioned better due to ... wait for it... Ivermectin killing all the parasites that their immune system was dealing with, allowing them to fight off Covid. Apparently poor folks in India often have one or more parasite infections. Sounds plausible.

Yeah.  I read about a huge study in Brazil recently.  They put a large population on ivermectin prementively.  These had better outcomes with Covid... did the Ivermectin attack the covid, or did it strengthen the folks by getting rid of their parasite load?  Same deal...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 20, 2022, 08:28:48 AM
Elizabeth II has it

https://www.foxnews.com/world/queen-elizabeth-ii-tests-positive-for-covid
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 20, 2022, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: Pb on February 19, 2022, 09:44:17 PM
Yeah.  I read about a huge study in Brazil recently.  They put a large population on ivermectin prementively.  These had better outcomes with Covid... did the Ivermectin attack the covid, or did it strengthen the folks by getting rid of their parasite load?  Same deal...

Considering how incredibly safe it is and the amount of circumstantial evidence based on successful clinical use against covid, I think it should have been allowed as a treatment.

It is lightyears safer than Remdesivir which doesn't really have the greatest track record. I'm of the opinion that more than a few Covid deaths were actually Remdesiver deaths.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 20, 2022, 10:24:09 AM
But remdesivir is a darling of Fauci's folks... Look at his record with HIV...
 
"Man, but this stuff is NASTY."
 
"Hell - give it to them anyway - they're likely to die anyway."
 
"Yeah - sounds good..."
 
It is politically approved. So that makes it "good."
 
Now, you went and got tested to see if you had the bug, because with most people, you have to get tested to know if you are sick. So go home, and...
 
At least one local hospital has had parents freaking out in the ER after a kid has tested positive, enough to make the staff figure that taking the kid upstairs and placeboing/OTCing the hell out of them was a valid way to prevent a riot...
 
"Okay - I'm gonna write diphenhydramine PRN..."
 
"PRN? How do we determine that?"
 
"Start with 25mg and titrate until you have some peace to treat the other patients - we'll send him home in the morning with instructions for five days of bed rest, or else."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 20, 2022, 10:38:10 AM
Solution:  Just be better looking.

Still not caught Covid? It might be down to how attractive you are, scientists say
https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/17680729/how-attractive-you-are-covid-risk-beauty/

The article actually seems to be based on a study done that said people in the study rated as more attractive actually seemed to have better immune system performance. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 21, 2022, 12:10:30 AM
Was it about a month or so ago when you could register to get free covid tests in the mail within a week?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 21, 2022, 07:11:44 AM
Quote from: Bogie on February 21, 2022, 12:10:30 AM
Was it about a month or so ago when you could register to get free covid tests in the mail within a week?

Yes, but I don't believe that they said it would be delivered within a week.

The website says that the order will ship within 7 to 12 days.

That said, I can't remember when I ordered my kits... it has been going on a month, I think.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 21, 2022, 07:13:53 AM
Yep, just over a month since I ordered mine. https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=65980.msg1338239#msg1338239

My guess, they were overwhelmed. And depending on the post office. And Brandon is President.

So, I suspect we'll see them just in time for mid-term elections.
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Post by: dogmush on February 21, 2022, 07:28:43 AM
I got mine last Saturday.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on February 21, 2022, 07:46:58 AM
Quote from: dogmush on February 21, 2022, 07:28:43 AM
I got mine last Saturday.

And the omicron surge was way down by then. Thanks, Brandon!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 21, 2022, 08:00:10 AM
We got our test kits, both from the Feds and Washington state, over three weeks ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 21, 2022, 08:10:59 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 21, 2022, 08:00:10 AM
We got our test kits, both from the Feds and Washington state, over three weeks ago.

Same here. They mailed them a week after I put in the order.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on February 21, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
My state issued covid tests arrived less than 2 weeks after I requested them.
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Post by: Bogie on February 21, 2022, 10:33:14 AM
Mine are supposed to be here on the 24th, according to the PO Box email...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on February 21, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
I bought five at the local pharmacy for $12 each last week.  (Wife wanted them)  They would not file insurance; I need to call the insurance company today to check on reimbursement.  I think they are supposed to cover up to 8 per month at 100%.  I'll also order some from .gov this week but expect those to take a month to get here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 21, 2022, 11:16:18 AM
I must have deleted the USPS tracking information e-mail because I certainly can't find it.

Oh well. If they don't come I'll order them again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on February 22, 2022, 09:48:42 PM
I guess I don't understand why you guys care.  Commie Pox goes around.  You either have it or you don't.  The test kits are right up there with a magic 8 ball for efficacy.  Which only maybe confirms you're sick.  Which you already knew...

I can sort of see it for work, should you be really sick and need an alibi.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 22, 2022, 10:01:13 PM
Kind of nice knowing if it's COVID or just a cold you're coming down with.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 22, 2022, 10:22:06 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 22, 2022, 10:01:13 PM
Kind of nice knowing if it's COVID or just a cold you're coming down with.

I'd be much more interested in an antibodies test to see if whatever it was that knocked me down for five weeks was the Kung Fu Flu, but neither my doc at the VA nor my outside GP will put me in for the test.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on February 22, 2022, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: Andiron on February 22, 2022, 09:48:42 PM
I guess I don't understand why you guys care.  Commie Pox goes around.  You either have it or you don't.  The test kits are right up there with a magic 8 ball for efficacy.  Which only maybe confirms you're sick.  Which you already knew...

I can sort of see it for work, should you be really sick and need an alibi.

What if you don’t want to give it to other people?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 22, 2022, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: De Selby on February 22, 2022, 11:24:13 PM
What if you don’t want to give it to other people?

Generally speaking I don’t want to give any disease to other people.  Don’t care much if it’s Covid or something else in that regard.

Only reason I can see to test is if you have to in order to not be forced to stay home for 2 weeks if it wasn’t Covid.  Otherwise the treatment (or lack thereof) is no different from a cold or the flu so there’s no benefit in knowing which crud you actually caught.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: WLJ on February 22, 2022, 10:01:13 PM
Kind of nice knowing if it's COVID or just a cold you're coming down with.

Coronaviruses are considered to be part of the cold family.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2022, 07:44:43 AM
For me, having the tests is to check if it's the covid or something else, as part of checking my natural immunity. If I'm symptomatic, I don't care if it's the covid or a cold, I avoid other people because unlike some of my former coworkers, I don't like making other people sick with whatever because I'm too important to stay at home and read some books for a few days.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 12:26:58 PM
If you're sick, stay home. That SHOULD have been the practice prior to the 'Rona hysteria.
 
Doh...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2022, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 12:26:58 PM
If you're sick, stay home. That SHOULD have been the practice prior to the 'Rona hysteria.
That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies."  It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.

Many people are unlikely stay home if they are only mildly sick (i.e. as COVID19 hits most people) unless they have plenty of paid sick days available.

On the other hand, it is not uncommon for people to use up sick days as quickly as they accrue just so they don't have to go in to work on a Monday or can sleep off a bender.  Ultimately, you end up with people staying home when they aren't sick and going to work when they are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 23, 2022, 12:47:56 PM
That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies."  It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.

Many people are unlikely stay home if they are only mildly sick (i.e. as COVID19 hits most people) unless they have plenty of paid sick days available.

On the other hand, it is not uncommon for people to use up sick days as quickly as they accrue just so they don't have to go in to work on a Monday or can sleep off a bender.  Ultimately, you end up with people staying home when they aren't sick and going to work when they are.

In recent years, many healthcare systems have done away with sick days and vacation days as separate accounts.  There is now a single account: paid time off.  You can choose to allocate your time between sick and vacation up to your limit of paid days off per year.  The HR people claim this has really cut down on the Monday morning hangover sick calls.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 23, 2022, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 23, 2022, 12:47:56 PM
That's a great plan, but is kind of like saying "people should save up money for emergencies."  It's true, but not always what people actually choose to do.

Many people are unlikely stay home if they are only mildly sick (i.e. as COVID19 hits most people) unless they have plenty of paid sick days available.

On the other hand, it is not uncommon for people to use up sick days as quickly as they accrue just so they don't have to go in to work on a Monday or can sleep off a bender.  Ultimately, you end up with people staying home when they aren't sick and going to work when they are.

Maybe if stupid hurt more that wouldn’t be so prevalent.  Don’t want to miss rent because of a light paycheck when you get the sniffles?  Don’t blow your sick leave on the brown bottle flu.

Yeah, some folks don’t get sick leave.  I have sympathy for them if they’re otherwise doing the right thing.  I lose sympathy though when they’re begging others for help right after getting a new nipple tattoo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 01:47:43 PM
One cow orker has claimed to have the 'Rona three times... Days off each time. Theoretically charged against future sick leave. Figure they won't last long enough to be affected by that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on February 23, 2022, 02:49:25 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 23, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
In recent years, many healthcare systems have done away with sick days and vacation days as separate accounts.  There is now a single account: paid time off.  You can choose to allocate your time between sick and vacation up to your limit of paid days off per year.  The HR people claim this has really cut down on the Monday morning hangover sick calls.

That’s what we did as well. I get four weeks/160 hours of PTO. At 10 years that will increase again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 05:59:15 PM
Stuff my local Aldi is out of:
 
Pepperoni
House-brand frozen pizzas
Canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls
 
Eggs have gone from about $1/dozen to $1.89/dozen in the past month or so.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 05:59:15 PM
Stuff my local Aldi is out of:
 
Pepperoni
House-brand frozen pizzas
Canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls
 
Eggs have gone from about $1/dozen to $1.89/dozen in the past month or so.

How are you not dead yet? And I don't mean from covid.   =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 23, 2022, 06:10:44 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 05:59:15 PM
Stuff my local Aldi is out of:
 
Pepperoni
House-brand frozen pizzas
Canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls
 
Eggs have gone from about $1/dozen to $1.89/dozen in the past month or so.

Sam's has been out of their brand of frozen pizza for months now.
Now having trouble finding Red Baron frozen pizza.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2022, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 23, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
How are you not dead yet? And I don't mean from covid.   =D

Bogie is the very model of Friedrich Nietzsche's statement: that which does not kill us makes us stronger.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 06:38:47 PM
Hey, wanted to lay a few of 'em in the chest freezer I got a coupla months ago... Mostly picked up ham, bacon and cheese to go with eggs for omelets. Also got coffee, half and half (back in stock), and some cream and spicy sausage for the quiche I'm making tomorrow night. Burger ($8.xx packs are now $11.xx) for the burritos I'm putting in the freezer tonight.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 23, 2022, 06:40:25 PM
Oh, and my last checkup a few months back, the physicians assistant appeared to be almost upset that I had decent numbers on pretty much everything but blood pressure... And... she doesn't work where I do...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 23, 2022, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: WLJ on February 23, 2022, 06:10:44 PM
Sam's has been out of their brand of frozen pizza for months now.
Now having trouble finding Red Baron frozen pizza.

My local, small town, small chain grocery store had big gaps in the frozen pizza section yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 24, 2022, 05:47:07 PM
Forgot to mention it - Aldi was VERY light on the frozen chicken stuffs...
 
Had a lot of sliced hams tho - but there are a lot of folks in my neighborhood who see that as haram...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
Probably premature, but there was one internet site reporting the Queen of England passed away from COVID, but official sources said it was not true.  I hope it isn't true.  Too much stuff piling up this week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 25, 2022, 10:38:14 AM
I still can't get frozen blueberries or store brand whole grain pasta at my local grocery.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2022, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: K Frame on February 25, 2022, 10:38:14 AM
I still can't get frozen blueberries or store brand whole grain pasta at my local grocery.

Interesting. Tons of frozen blueberries all over the place here. We are having a huckleberry shortage though, I think mostly for non-covid reasons. Prices on huckleberry jam (my favorite) are ridiculous right now when you can even find it. I have for now switched to orange marmalade from the German store and blueberry jam from the Trader Blows.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 25, 2022, 10:53:23 AM
The Democratic Governors Association is having a big meeting in mandate-free Florida to discuss their covid mandates.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/02/25/pinnacle-of-hypocrisy-has-been-achieved-guess-where-the-dem-governors-assn-is-having-a-meeting/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 27, 2022, 05:29:13 PM
Blueberries are back, but whole-grain pasta still isn't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 27, 2022, 10:52:58 PM
The local "union" pub is still requiring masks to walk from the door to bar or table.
 
My favorite microbrewery is STILL not reopening. The guy did a remodel with a whole bunch of outdoor seating, likely spaced distantly... I suspect that's going to change.
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Post by: grampster on February 28, 2022, 06:20:50 AM
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Post by: Ben on February 28, 2022, 08:04:10 AM
Gee, what a coincidence:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/02/27/dems-catch-a-lucky-break-as-the-capitol-physician-now-says-its-safe-to-go-maskless-at-the-sotu/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 02, 2022, 08:55:04 AM
What caliber for COVID-carrying deer?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/researchers-may-have-ided-first-deer-to-human-sars-cov-2-transmission/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2022, 09:51:57 AM
Hair loss from C19 or C19 hysteria induced hair loss?

Louisville wig shop owner seeing increase in business due to hair loss from COVID-19
https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-wig-shop-owner-hair-loss-covid/39288955
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 02, 2022, 10:03:45 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 02, 2022, 09:51:57 AM
Hair loss from C19 or C19 hysteria induced hair loss?

Louisville wig shop owner seeing increase in business due to hair loss from COVID-19
https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-wig-shop-owner-hair-loss-covid/39288955
I lost a ton of hair, it has started growing back within the last couple months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 02, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
So... government customer has dropped their masking mandate in their buildings.

My company?

YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WEAR YOUR MASKS, YOU POXY BASTARDS!

Yeah. I'll continue to get right on that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2022, 12:33:24 PM
My employer issued a new policy and linked to a site that gave the risk level of your county.  The county I am in is Low Risk.  No more masks required indoors. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 02, 2022, 04:27:35 PM
Along the lines of this thread and prepping for the near future, if you happened to have a little extra cash available, what would you buy? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on March 03, 2022, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 02, 2022, 04:27:35 PM
Along the lines of this thread and prepping for the near future, if you happened to have a little extra cash available, what would you buy?

To combat inflation:  Durable goods.  Need a new fridge or HVAC or car?  Prices are only going to rise.

Worried about unavailability of consumer goods?  Buy what you use often. 

Food/water?  Shelf-stable items and generic brands.

Guns/ammo?  TEOTWAWKI isn't here.  Buy/use what you enjoy. 

Planning a house project this year?  Buy the supplies now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 03, 2022, 06:37:40 PM
Aldi today: They have frozen pizzas again, but not a wide selection.
 
Damn near no frozen chicken parts.
 
They have canned biscuits and cinnamon rolls again.
 
No bacon bits.
 
No regular half'n'half.
 
No packs of pepperoni, but a LOT of special cold cuts, etc., like one would see at Trader Joe's...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 03, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
I buy a 2.5 gallon jug of 41% glyphosate concentrate about every other year. Finished the last 9f what I had late last fall. Last one I bought still had the price tag on it, $48.99. Current price for the same thing is $119.49.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2022, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 03, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
I buy a 2.5 gallon jug of 41% glyphosate concentrate about every other year. Finished the last 9f what I had late last fall. Last one I bought still had the price tag on it, $48.99. Current price for the same thing is $119.49.

Ha ha - I was just bitching about that yesterday at the farm store. I can't believe that *expletive deleted*it. I paid the same as you both before and now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 03, 2022, 08:42:24 PM
I wonder if some of the price increase for glyphosate concentrate is related to the lawsuits currently being waged against its manufacturers?  I believe Bayer is the main one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 03, 2022, 08:53:16 PM
I know I keep talking about HVAC stuff w/r/t inflation, but yea... I came across an invoice from my distributor from March 29, 2021.  11 months ago.

The furnace cost $1308, the A/C was $2312, and the evaporator $604. 
For the same part numbers, those prices are now $1671, $2950 and $772. 

+27% in 11 months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2022, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 03, 2022, 08:53:16 PM
I know I keep talking about HVAC stuff w/r/t inflation, but yea... I came across an invoice from my distributor from March 29, 2021.  11 months ago.

The furnace cost $1308, the A/C was $2312, and the evaporator $604. 
For the same part numbers, those prices are now $1671, $2950 and $772. 

+27% in 11 months.

Yeah, but no mean tweets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 03, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2022, 08:59:21 PM
Yeah, but no mean tweets.

Well, I don't tweet, so I'm good there.  :P

Also, I wouldn't set about pinning it on one party or administration.  Like most problems, our money mischief has been going on a long time with bipartisan support, IMO.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on March 03, 2022, 09:09:46 PM
A local window company advertises on one of the AM stations.  Last year they were offering 10 double pane, double hung windows for $3,800.  This year the same package is $4,800.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2022, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on March 03, 2022, 08:42:24 PM
I wonder if some of the price increase for glyphosate concentrate is related to the lawsuits currently being waged against its manufacturers?  I believe Bayer is the main one.

It's quite possible there are multiple factors for the glysophate. Though I also just bought 2.5gal of Prowl H2O and that was $190. I seem to recall it being ~$130 last year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2022, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 03, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
Well, I don't tweet, so I'm good there.  :P

Also, I wouldn't set about pinning it on one party or administration.  Like most problems, our money mischief has been going on a long time with bipartisan support, IMO.

I'm pretty sure we all know there'd less inflation if the Dem's had less power.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 04, 2022, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2022, 09:49:45 PM
I'm pretty sure we all know there'd less inflation if the Dem's had less power the United States Dollar was issued by the Treasury not a private for-profit bank, and fractional reserve lending was re-outlawed.

Inflation comes from the inflation of the money supply.  Some things automatically create inflation by their very existence. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 04, 2022, 07:22:01 AM
I was wrong. My company has dropped its mask mandate for vaccinated individuals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 04, 2022, 10:27:27 AM
Yeah, with the loss/settlement on one of the glyphosaye suits and the current inflation is suspect it is a combination of both factors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 04, 2022, 04:05:17 PM
This will give you the willies.  The monkey willies, that is.

https://scitechdaily.com/covid-infects-penis-testicles-and-prostate-causes-pain-erectile-dysfunction-reduced-sperm-count/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 04, 2022, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 04, 2022, 04:05:17 PM
This will give you the willies.  The monkey willies, that is.

https://scitechdaily.com/covid-infects-penis-testicles-and-prostate-causes-pain-erectile-dysfunction-reduced-sperm-count/

1) Most of us on here are dudes.  Many of us have gotten the coof.  Anyone here had any symptoms remotely like described?  I certainly haven’t.

2) What other diseases (especially other coronaviruses and related diseases) cause similar symptoms?

3) What is the incidence of these problems, vs their incidence in the general population?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 04, 2022, 11:04:15 PM
Let's see... Tested negative in 2020. No weirdness. Got shots early in 2021... Had two old scars reopen after the second one. One from stepping on a tent pole in my late 20s/early thirties, and one from a recluse bite about 7 years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 04, 2022, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 04, 2022, 04:42:36 PM
1) Most of us on here are dudes.  Many of us have gotten the coof.  Anyone here had any symptoms remotely like described?  I certainly haven’t.
2) What other diseases (especially other coronaviruses and related diseases) cause similar symptoms?
3) What is the incidence of these problems, vs their incidence in the general population?

I sometimes think results like this are a function of the tremendous amount of research money and effort that has been put against covid, as well as a clear defining line in the sample set from before to after covid.

It would not surprise me if many other diseases have knock-on effects that we just don't know about yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 04, 2022, 11:14:49 PM
My philosophy?
 
Branch Covidians are gonna have problems.
 
This is a country-wide experiment in paranoid hypochondria, with intense pressure to conform...
 
"Hey baby... I'm an old essential worker who ain't dead yet... Wanna try?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 05, 2022, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 04, 2022, 12:13:33 AM
Inflation comes from the inflation of the money supply.  Some things automatically create inflation by their very existence.

Why don't you just say what you want to say, instead of pretending it was somehow a contradiction of what I said? Does it bother you that much for someone to point out one difference between the parties? Why?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 05, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 05, 2022, 01:16:24 PM
Why don't you just say what you want to say, instead of pretending it was somehow a contradiction of what I said? Does it bother you that much for someone to point out one difference between the parties? Why?

I did say I wanted to say.  Now I will expound.  Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility.  Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.

So why do you have a problem with my correcting your empirically wrong, political, propaganda-like, drive-by post?  Why did you need to make it personal?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 05, 2022, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 05, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
I did say I wanted to say.  Now I will expound.  Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility.  Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.

So why do you have a problem with my correcting your empirically wrong, political, propaganda-like, drive-by post?  Why did you need to make it personal?

You are lying about what I said. Why?

Let's see if you can spot the difference between these two statements.

Statement 1: "There is every reason to believe political leaders X, Y, and Z would have done a better job dealing with issue B."

Statement 2: "Political leaders X, Y, and Z have a perfect record on B, and only leaders H, J, and Q are responsible for B."

Statement 1 is a paraphrase of what I said. Why do you want to accuse me of saying 2?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 05, 2022, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 05, 2022, 01:16:24 PM
Why don't you just say what you want to say, instead of pretending it was somehow a contradiction of what I said? Does it bother you that much for someone to point out one difference between the parties? Why?

I will say that I find it a little tiring and unproductive.  If one party is more fiscally responsible than the other, it's marginal at best.  Politicians like to frame things in a tribal us-vs-them manner as a divide and conquer tactic.  Everything is spun as the fault of the other tribe, always.  I don't think being stuck in this us-vs-them mindset is helpful for thinking clearly about politics.

Are there some values and priorities where the parties are significantly or even directly opposed?  Sure.  This isn't one of them. 

Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 05, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
I did say I wanted to say.  Now I will expound.  Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility.  Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.

Absolutely on point.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 06, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things  until it becomes apparent that it is broken...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 06, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: Bogie on March 06, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things  until it becomes apparent that it is broken...
The ballot box hasn't worked in a very long time. Most every major election is fake. The uniparty decides who wins. It appears they weren't completely fabricating the results until the last few election cycles. Trump may not be a good guy but his first election he definitely overwhelmed their ability to flip elections. You better believe they are working on making sure that never happens again. For whatever reason Trump went around pointing out the fakery in a lot of things and they didn't kill him. Fake news, fake elections and fake representatives, the American myth either never was (fake along) or is dead (fake now). 

I saw a meme the other day, "And just like that ... everybody believed the media again..."

Not me

(I know, I'm a real ray of sunshine. Every time I think I should back off the cynicism I learn of some new tidbit regarding the systemic corruption running things)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 06, 2022, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Bogie on March 06, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things  until it becomes apparent that it is broken...

Too late.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 06, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Chicken nuggets at Costco: $13.99 last time we bought them, $16.99 last month, $19.99 today
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 06, 2022, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 06, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Chicken nuggets at Costco: $13.99 last time we bought them, $16.99 last month, $19.99 today

Should post that on WSB.  The redditards would melt down over inflation in their chickie nuggies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 06, 2022, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 06, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Chicken nuggets at Costco: $13.99 last time we bought them, $16.99 last month, $19.99 today

I wonder if that includes the bird flu effects or is just inflation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Andiron on March 06, 2022, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 06, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
The ballot box is only going to be used to change things  until it becomes apparent that it is broken...

Ms. Wolfe said it best, a long time ago: “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2022, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 05, 2022, 09:33:24 PM

Quote
I did say I wanted to say.  Now I will expound.  Neither side of the uniparty is interested in fiscal responsibility.  Asserting one side is responsible for inflation is false in two ways: first it perpetuates the illusion of the two party system, and second it obfuscates the systemic origins of our monetary problems.

Absolutely on point.

Or it might be, if he wouldn't insist he was contradicting what I said. That's why I suggested he speak his piece without involving me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 05, 2022, 09:33:24 PM
I will say that I find it a little tiring and unproductive.  If one party is more fiscally responsible than the other, it's marginal at best.  Politicians like to frame things in a tribal us-vs-them manner as a divide and conquer tactic.  Everything is spun as the fault of the other tribe, always.  I don't think being stuck in this us-vs-them mindset is helpful for thinking clearly about politics.

Are there some values and priorities where the parties are significantly or even directly opposed?  Sure.  This isn't one of them. 

This comment makes a lot less sense when you remember that it was kgbsquirrel who started the argument. All I initially said was a boilerplate joke about "mean tweets." Was that really such a trenchant argument for two-party tribalism that the two of you had to veer the whole thread into uniparty talk? Who's being more "tiring and unproductive" here?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 07, 2022, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
This comment makes a lot less sense when you remember that it was kgbsquirrel who started the argument. All I initially said was a boilerplate joke about "mean tweets." Was that really such a trenchant argument for two-party tribalism that the two of you had to veer the whole thread into uniparty talk? Who's being more "tiring and unproductive" here?

So what you are really saying is you deny there is a uniparty?  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 07, 2022, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
This comment makes a lot less sense when you remember that it was kgbsquirrel who started the argument. All I initially said was a boilerplate joke about "mean tweets." Was that really such a trenchant argument for two-party tribalism that the two of you had to veer the whole thread into uniparty talk? Who's being more "tiring and unproductive" here?

Nope, I was good with that.  And noted it wouldn't be a "mean tweet" because I wouldn't do the standard "nastiness towards the current administration" thing that the left likes to decry as "mean tweets", because I don't see it that way.  This is what you meant be "mean tweet", correct?  The hypocrisy of the left when people start calling their guys out?

You countered that point of view, kgb joined in, we had a discussion, and here we are.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 07, 2022, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 07, 2022, 09:54:24 PM
So what you are really saying is you deny there is a uniparty?  :rofl:

I mean that's all I'm getting out from it. 

Nick: our money problems are bipartisan and deep
Perd: but there'd be less inflation if we had less blue team
Me: teams don't really exist, that isn't the origin of the money problem, saying such provides cover for the money problem
Perd: Rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 08, 2022, 07:39:58 AM
A Uniparty discussion might be an interesting thread in and of itself.

From my perspective, the term is a very low-resolution descriptor of a mostly accurate concept.  As such, it can be used to bring useful truths to a conversation, but someone fixated on the concept may at times become target-locked and take it absolutely literally - well beyond its usefulness and into the realm of falsehood.

It is somewhat akin to saying "men and women are equal."  Taken at most levels that statement is true, but only up to a point.  Someone obsessed with a literal interpretation would begin using the truthy parts of the phrase as cover for the parts that are categorically false using the typical motte and bailey strategy.

Are the Republican and Democrat parties similar in more ways than they are different?  For sure.  As it appears to apply here, neither is free of corruption, and both abuse their position for self-enrichment and to conjure up eye-watering amounts of money they can funnel to special interests, groups, and companies useful to them in a manner that is not conducive to a strong dollar.

However, taken to the extreme of "there are absolutely no differences between the two parties and it just doesn't matter who you vote for," it is more like the phrase "there are literally no differences between men and women."

I think the more black-pilled among us tend to routinely take the concept beyond what is defensible and accurate, and when challenged predictably retreat to their bailey and imply that their opposition must be denying the many legitimate similarities.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 08, 2022, 08:56:36 AM
You're assuming that all that matters is the "visible party leadership."
 
There are still separate parties... The people... Stuff gon' get interesting if it comes down to that...
 
The politicians are focused mostly on power to loot... The people? They're getting tired of getting looted. Or they want more loot sent their way.
 
It is coming down to urban vs. rural, or taker vs. maker...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2022, 09:24:34 AM
There are without a doubt factions even among the (uniparty) thieves running everything.

I've completely soured on the Republicans. The biggest danger of voting for Republicans is what we've all already experienced. The disappointment of them not moving the ball when given the reigns of power and the inevitable betrayals. If you vote Republican you must lower expectations to expecting the worse. "A full soul loathes a honeycomb; but to a hungry soul, every bitter thing is sweet".

Yet, like Perd, the few areas that they do seem to differ are enough to prefer them over the Democrats. I don't regret my votes for Trump. He actually made a difference in several areas that if nothing else gave us breathing room to figure stuff out. He also expanded the Overton Window of acceptable things to speak of in public.

There have been a few blog commentators in the past who refer to Trump as playing the role of the court Jester. The court Jester could speak the truth entertainingly without getting his head chopped off. Trump in his own way gave voice to a pretty significant swath of the country, across ethnic and racial lines. Trump actually spoke some important truths. The danger is assuming he is really an outsider. That cannot be true, he is just the avatar of a different insider faction, the court jester is a member of the court.

I'm pretty confident Perd has articulated this subtilty of understanding in the past. I point this out being one of the most ardent users of the uniparty/globalist rhetoric here in the forum.


 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 08, 2022, 01:40:25 PM
Quite amusing watching a bunch of unibrows debate the concept of a uniparty...  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 08, 2022, 02:16:17 PM
Quote from: K Frame on March 08, 2022, 01:40:25 PM
Quite amusing watching a bunch of unibrows debate the concept of a uniparty...  :rofl:
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2022, 02:52:25 PM
This post is a placeholder to drive that creepy gif off the screen!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 08, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: Ron on March 08, 2022, 02:52:25 PM
This post is a placeholder to drive that creepy gif off the screen!


















Seconded!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
On to the next page
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:03:10 PM
I said on to the next page
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:03:57 PM
Freaking post timer
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
We can do this
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:05:00 PM
Push!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:05:35 PM
Far enough?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:06:11 PM
Nope
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:06:46 PM
Come on!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:07:17 PM
Now I'm out of breath
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 03:08:42 PM
I'm done, far enough
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2022, 03:39:44 PM
Good job!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 08, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
It's too bad that it is so hard for someone to quote that picture.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2022, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 08, 2022, 03:42:58 PM
It's too bad that it is so hard for someone to quote that picture.

I thought that was where Nick was going  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 08, 2022, 03:57:05 PM
What are you guys on about?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 08, 2022, 03:57:34 PM
This picture?

Quote from: cordex on March 08, 2022, 02:16:17 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 04:05:16 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/Forum%20stuff/.highres/23666877_zpst6a5dqnt.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 08, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
What a shocking turn!  Who could have predicted this?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2022, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 08, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
What a shocking turn!  Who could have predicted this?
^ instigator ^
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/Forum%20stuff/.highres/giphy_zpshzpze6p1.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 08, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: cordex on March 08, 2022, 02:16:17 PM
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I've seen that guy's YT channel before... Electroboom?  Or something like that
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 08, 2022, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on March 07, 2022, 10:36:32 PM
Nope, I was good with that.  And noted it wouldn't be a "mean tweet" because I wouldn't do the standard "nastiness towards the current administration" thing that the left likes to decry as "mean tweets", because I don't see it that way.  This is what you meant be "mean tweet", correct?  The hypocrisy of the left when people start calling their guys out?

You countered that point of view, kgb joined in, we had a discussion, and here we are.

Not sure what you're thinking of.

"Yeah, but no mean tweets" has become a common way of noting how much better things aren't, now that we have Biden, instead of Trump. Depending on context, it could actually be taken as a comment on how little the two parties differ. Or not.

But, as kgb has admitted, folk like him can't interpret any slight toward the Biden administration as anything but some kind of high praise for the GOP, the party God votes for!

Ya never know what's going to set those people off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 08, 2022, 08:18:56 PM
A woman shared a brutal video that shows 2 health workers beating her dog to death while she was in COVID-19 quarantine
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/woman-shared-brutal-video-shows-085057367.html

The woman's boyfriend tested positive and she was put into quarantine.  The govt took care of disinfecting her home and apparently brutally put down the dog.  It appears to be something that just happened in the last week.  Not sure.

I am just thankful I am not posting from China.  As bad as I think my own country is becoming, we haven't quite gotten that bad. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on March 08, 2022, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 08, 2022, 07:40:39 PM
Not sure what you're thinking of.

"Yeah, but no mean tweets" has become a common way of noting how much better things aren't, now that we have Biden, instead of Trump. Depending on context, it could actually be taken as a comment on how little the two parties differ. Or not.

But, as kgb has admitted, folk like him can't interpret any slight toward the Biden administration as anything but some kind of high praise for the GOP, the party God votes for!

Ya never know what's going to set those people off.

Ah, I think I misunderstood you.  Sorry  =|
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 09, 2022, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 08, 2022, 07:40:39 PM
Not sure what you're thinking of.

"Yeah, but no mean tweets" has become a common way of noting how much better things aren't, now that we have Biden, instead of Trump. Depending on context, it could actually be taken as a comment on how little the two parties differ. Or not.

But, as kgb has admitted, folk like him can't interpret any slight toward the Biden administration as anything but some kind of high praise for the GOP, the party God votes for!

Ya never know what's going to set those people off.

That is your assumption.  And it is false.  You seem to really be upset that I asserted your statement is wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 09, 2022, 09:51:20 AM
The true believers from "either side" irritate me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 09, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 09, 2022, 12:51:07 AM
That is your assumption.  And it is false.  You seem to really be upset that I asserted your statement is wrong.

Nah, I’m annoyed at you lying about what I said.

But now I’m beginning to wonder if you even understand the uniparty viewpoint you’re promoting. I thought the gist of it was that the two (ostensible) political parties are engaged in kayfabe, and are really just part of (or directed by) the same oligarchy. So why would it bother you for someone to talk about which moves the players would make? For example, if the oligarchs had put the GOP team in charge, inflation would be less just because of domestic energy production. Possibly less still, because the GOP might have given away less cash to the masses. Maybe the oligarchy wants it that way, so the GOP can be the stingy, miserly bad guys. That’s their job. Call it part of the illusion if you want, but that’s what would happen. That’s the uniparty theory of American politics, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 09, 2022, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 09, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
That’s the uniparty theory of American politics, right?
Sometimes.  Other times they are literally identical and there is absolutely no difference between the two.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2022, 08:12:55 AM
Well, this is an interesting study that I might be able to use as an excuse.  =)

Part of the grey matter reduction was in areas that affect olfactory senses, which makes me wonder if there is actually any true recovery from that side effect. While I can smell a lot of stuff again, some stuff has what seems to be a permanent "new smell" to it, and I still get ghost smells.

The study apparently didn't take vaccination status into account, which would have been interesting to me.

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Mild COVID-19 cases were linked to changes in the brain, in a newly published study.

Approximately 785 people underwent a brain scan and about half later tested positive for COVID-19. All the participants got a second brain scan, including those who had survived the disease.

Researchers from the Wellcome Centre for Integrative Neuroimaging at the University of Oxford analyzed the scans and found the participants infected with COVID-19 had a reduction in the thickness of gray matter—which helps humans perform various functions such as making decisions—and other negative outcomes.

“Despite the infection being mild for 96% of our participants, we saw a greater loss of grey matter volume, and greater tissue damage in the infected participants, on average 4.5 months after infection,” professor Gwenaëlle Douaud, the study’s lead author, said in a statement.

“They also showed greater decline in their mental abilities to perform complex tasks, and this mental worsening was partly related to these brain abnormalities. All these negative effects were more marked at older ages.”

The paper was published in Nature following peer review.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/even-mild-cases-of-covid-19-can-lead-to-brain-changes-study_4323882.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 10, 2022, 09:04:02 AM
My phantom smells just about disappear when taking Benadryl. I would be interested to know if you experience the same thing, you might want to experiment. My phantom smell symptom is also much worse when I'm worn down or have a lack of sleep. Have you noticed any pattern? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2022, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 10, 2022, 08:12:55 AM
Well, this is an interesting study that I might be able to use as an excuse.  =)

Part of the grey matter reduction was in areas that affect olfactory senses, which makes me wonder if there is actually any true recovery from that side effect. While I can smell a lot of stuff again, some stuff has what seems to be a permanent "new smell" to it, and I still get ghost smells.

The study apparently didn't take vaccination status into account, which would have been interesting to me.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/even-mild-cases-of-covid-19-can-lead-to-brain-changes-study_4323882.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5
And people thought the zombie virus jokes were just fantasy.   =)

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2022, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Ron on March 10, 2022, 09:04:02 AM
My phantom smells just about disappear when taking Benadryl. I would be interested to know if you experience the same thing, you might want to experiment. My phantom smell symptom is also much worse when I'm worn down or have a lack of sleep. Have you noticed any pattern?

Interesting. I don't think I've ever taken Benadryl. I should experiment. I haven't noticed any pattern to the phantom smells, in fact, I always think of them as totally random. I did notice that asparagus, which I used to strongly smell in my pee, is barely noticeable now. I know that pre-covid studies were done regarding people who could or couldn't smell asparagus in their pee. Now I'm one of the "no smell" people.  :laugh:

Another interesting thing that has started happening to me, and I have no idea if it is long covid or something else, is that when I lay on my back on the floor in the morning to do my stretches and situps, I start to get really nauseous. Like seasick nauseous, which is unusual given I spent my career in small aircraft, ships, and boats. Of course it could be something totally unrelated. One of the problems with covid has been, I think, making it somewhat easy for people and even doctors to default to, "it must be long covid" when it could very well be something completely different, which ends up going undetected because covid is the easy explanation. I actually brought it up in my physical yesterday, and we're pursuing a couple of non-covid avenues -potentially esophageal problems I have and a hernia that was repaired, but seems to be returning. Though this paper on post-covid brain changes could, in fact, be an explanation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on March 10, 2022, 09:24:15 AM
I blame everything on covid now  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 10, 2022, 09:36:41 AM
Did that study also look at people who got sick from a non-covid crud bug?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 14, 2022, 08:40:43 PM
Found primers in the wild today behind the counter at a fair sized gun store.
Winchester large and small pistol.
Appeared to be new production.
Apparently they are now made of gold and platinum.
$96 a 1000. I've heard of higher prices, might be a positive sign. A little steep for me though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2022, 10:14:44 PM
Keith Olbermann defends Dr. Fauci & advises Sen. Rand Paul to ‘become an actual doctor’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/14/keith-olbermann-defends-dr-fauci-advises-sen-rand-paul-to-become-an-actual-doctor/

 :facepalm:
 [popcorn]

For those who may not be aware Rand Paul is a doctor
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2022, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 14, 2022, 08:40:43 PM
Found primers in the wild today behind the counter at a fair sized gun store.
Winchester large and small pistol.
Appeared to be new production.
Apparently they are now made of gold and platinum.
$96 a 1000. I've heard of higher prices, might be a positive sign. A little steep for me though.
For some rifle primers, I could see getting some since some ammo is still hard to find. 

For pistol, maybe.  I guess even 9mm is still twice what it was  Others like 45 and 10mm are worse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 14, 2022, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 14, 2022, 10:35:57 PM
For some rifle primers, I could see getting some since some ammo is still hard to find. 

For pistol, maybe.  I guess even 9mm is still twice what it was  Others like 45 and 10mm are worse.

I picked up 50 rounds each of .38, .357 and .45 so I can take thing 1 to the range for pistol intro (yeah, I know, .22lr would be better first time with a handgun but those are the caliber guns I actually have already, besides she wants to shoot the ones I have).  $110 after tax.  And that was the CHEAP ammo.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2022, 10:16:53 PM
Hillary has reportedly tested positive for COVID
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2022, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 14, 2022, 11:36:02 PM
I picked up 50 rounds each of .38, .357 and .45 so I can take thing 1 to the range for pistol intro (yeah, I know, .22lr would be better first time with a handgun but those are the caliber guns I actually have already, besides she wants to shoot the ones I have).  $110 after tax.  And that was the CHEAP ammo.

I'm half way through a 1000 round reloading session for .45 ACP. 500 each of 230 grain cast lead round nose and Barry's 230 grain round nose plated. I'm cleaning the seating and crimp dies after the cast lead rounds, always end up with a little bullet lube on those.
After that I will run off a few hundred .45 Colt cast bullet loads then on to .357 Magnum.
My Hornady progressive gets me about 200 rounds an hour reloading pistol cartridges if I don't get a hang up. Some folks go quite a bit faster but I like to take my time and really watch what I'm doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 23, 2022, 12:04:49 AM
I recently saw some 357 and 38 ammo for sale (in the last month).  I can't remember the price.  I bought a few rounds of 6.8 SPC recently also.  I even saw some 30-30 recently for sale.  Most of it was either foreign or at least less common brands.  I was just happy to see a little bit of ammo for sale that wasn't 5.56, 308, 9mm, or 7.62x39. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 23, 2022, 12:33:12 PM
Quote
    UPDATE: today my son, who faces severe speech delays and needs to see faces and be able to see his own, toddled off happily to pre-K at school (he goes b/c CPS has therapy options).

    He was returned to me two hours later with a mask forcibly tied to his face by a teacher. Crying. https://t.co/TnaTZUGAGj

    — Jeff B. is *BOX OFFICE POISON* (@EsotericCD) March 23, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/23/child-abuse-jeff-blehars-special-needs-son-left-cps-pre-k-today-with-a-mask-forcibly-tied-to-his-face-by-a-teacher-crying/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 23, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 23, 2022, 12:33:12 PM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/23/child-abuse-jeff-blehars-special-needs-son-left-cps-pre-k-today-with-a-mask-forcibly-tied-to-his-face-by-a-teacher-crying/

"There will not be justice in this world until teachers' unions are razed to the ground, and on their ashes, a free range kid playground is erected."
Comment from the link
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 23, 2022, 08:52:13 PM
Shouldn't we all be dead now?
 
I figure whoever does the stats page for St. Louis City is hoping for a surge.
 
746 deaths since it started. Under 1/8th of 1% annually since it started.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 25, 2022, 06:50:21 PM
Oh and... Let's put this among "lessons not learned."
 
My boss came to work today with what is likely a mild case of influenza, since his ankle biter is down with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 26, 2022, 06:43:16 PM
And... This morning, at the store, my boss had a 102 fever, which progressed through the day to 103... Kicked him out at about 0830.
 
If I get sick with it, I'm gonna beat him like a red headed mule...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2022, 04:10:33 AM
Pfizer-Man (Official Trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfGOvVnVY_c


This is worth a few minutes to watch.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 30, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
When you get most of the way through, and the phone rings, please ensure that you are NOT drinking a beverage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 31, 2022, 02:04:07 AM
Quote from: Bogie on March 30, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
When you get most of the way through, and the phone rings, please ensure that you are NOT drinking a beverage.
I was thinking he should have had a 2nd power to issue vax cards 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 31, 2022, 04:29:25 AM
I assume that's a spoof.  I found it annoying.  The Biden and Rogan impressions were pretty good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 31, 2022, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 30, 2022, 04:10:33 AM
Pfizer-Man (Official Trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfGOvVnVY_c


This is worth a few minutes to watch.   =)

LOVED it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 06, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
China right now. I guess all this stuff is in the background with the Ukraine stuff on the front page.

This is right out of Bladerunner:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/06/watch-drone-in-china-reminds-lockdown-protesters-to-control-your-souls-desire-for-freedom/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 07, 2022, 05:08:37 PM
In the Fox News story about Nancy Pelosi testing positive today for Covid:

Quote
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed Thursday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has tested positive for the coronavirus, kissing President Biden on the cheek and holding his hand did not meet the White House’s definition of "close contact."

"How can you guys say that President Biden was not a close contact with speaker Pelosi when there's video of the speaker kissing him?" Fox News’ Peter Doocy asked Psaki on Thursday.

Here is the link to the story:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 07, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Quote
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed Thursday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has tested positive for the coronavirus, kissing President Biden on the cheek and holding his hand did not meet the White House’s definition of "close contact."

They don't even try anymore.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 07, 2022, 05:46:16 PM
And it has devolved into an article of faith...
 
Today was a day off from work. I went shopping.
 
Ran into a Karen.
 
He was upset that I was not wearing a mask and was within about 15' of him in the store.
 
"You need to stop watching Fox News! People are dying!"
 
Less than 1/8th of 1% annually with, according to what appears to be doctored statistics.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2022, 06:11:34 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on April 07, 2022, 05:08:37 PM
In the Fox News story about Nancy Pelosi testing positive today for Covid:

Here is the link to the story:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-pelosi-kissing-biden-cdcs-bar-close-contact)

Now rabies

Quote
A rabid fox has been "humanely euthanised" after at least biting nine people - including a congressman and a journalist - in Washington DC.

Rabid fox bites nine people on US Capitol Hill
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61031683
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on April 07, 2022, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 07, 2022, 06:11:34 PM
Now rabies

Rabid fox bites nine people on US Capitol Hill
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61031683

Poor fox, getting rabies from that Dem congresscritter.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 07, 2022, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on April 07, 2022, 06:18:59 PM
Poor fox, getting rabies from that Dem congresscritter.

That was my first thought but it turns out she had dirt on the Clintons.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2022, 12:02:45 PM
Looks like the covid totalitarianism in China is still flying under the MSM's radar while they cover the popular stories of the day.

Quote
The U.S. State Department on April 9 warned Americans to think twice before traveling to China owing to the Chinese regime’s “arbitrary” COVID-19 measures. It also authorized non-essential government employees and their families to leave its Shanghai consulate amid a citywide lockdown.

“American citizens are asked to reconsider travel to the PRC [People’s Republic of China] due to arbitrary enforcement of local laws and COVID-19-related restrictions,” the U.S. Embassy in China said in a statement.

It added: “Additionally, American citizens should not travel to the PRC’s Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, Jilin Province, and Shanghai municipality due to COVID-19-related restrictions, including the risk of parents and children being separated.”

On April 10, Shanghai health officials reported 24,943 new infection cases in the previous 24 hours of the Omicron variant of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, bringing the city’s total since March to over 170,000. However, many more people could have been infected, as experts and Chinese residents have said Chinese officials are under-reporting infection and death figures.

Shanghai officials have imposed draconian measures taken from the communist regime’s “zero-COVID” playbook. The city has been under lockdown since March 28, and April 9 marked the fourth consecutive day of the city’s residents undergoing citywide COVID-19 testing.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-warns-travelers-of-chinas-arbitrary-enforcement-of-laws-and-covid-19-measures_4394639.html


Even far left commies are calling it out, though I think they would have happily liked to have seen the same thing here back when covid was popular.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/04/10/fear-monger-eric-feigl-ding-seems-shocked-chinas-govt-behaving-the-way-he-wanted-the-us-govt-to-with-covid-is-actually-horrific/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 11, 2022, 01:20:21 AM
My take is that I think that China is hoping that the USA does another lockdown, only this time follows the new example.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 11, 2022, 07:43:46 AM
Quote from: Bogie on April 11, 2022, 01:20:21 AM
My take is that I think that China is hoping that the USA does another lockdown, only this time follows the new example.

Well, there's obviously a new and very infectious new strain that blows through vaccinations. Yet unlike when other stuff wasn't in the news, and before US politicians saw covid fatigue in the population that might affect their reelection, this super-virulent strain that is infecting half of China seems to be stopped by force fields at our borders. At least for now. When the MSM needs headlines, it will suddenly start infecting the US.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 11, 2022, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 11, 2022, 07:43:46 AM
Well, there's obviously a new and very infectious new strain that blows through vaccinations. Yet unlike when other stuff wasn't in the news, and before US politicians saw covid fatigue in the population that might affect their reelection, this super-virulent strain that is infecting half of China seems to be stopped by force fields at our borders. At least for now. When the MSM needs headlines Democrats need to take total control of the mid-term elections, it will suddenly start infecting the US.

FTFY
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 11, 2022, 12:21:25 PM
Coronaviruses are included in the common cold group.
 
A holy grail for pharma research was coming up with a cure for the common cold.
 
Couldn't happen - the bugs mutate too fast. But with most healthy people, it is nothing but "a cold."
 
Some years you get one that is nastier than the others, and you get more dead geezers in nursing homes.
 
But with some people, even a "mild cold" can kill.
 
We don't know just how much this bug was played with, but we do know that the Chinese were working on weaponizing viruses.
 
And it appears that some blithering geniuses in Washington outsourced research to China.
 
We're at less than 1/8th of 1% annually, and that is "with" biased statistics, not "solely because of" statistics.
 
The media desperately wants to keep believing.
 
The Chinese want us to trash our economy even more than what has happened.
 
China appears ready to disappear a bunch more dissidents. Their people discovered capitalism, and discovered that they like it.
 
Lots of people want to stay home and watch TV.
 
Other people want to control peoples lives. And still others get off on playing a victim card.
 
Politicians, from dogcatcher on up, want more power.
 
Woke folk want to be able to point fingers, and announce that they are smarter.
 
Come fall, the cold and flu season will start to ramp up, and the spittlescreeching will restart.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 12, 2022, 08:07:34 AM
This apparently is a combination of protest and frustration, but still kinda eerie. Shanghai residents who are locked in their buildings all started screaming out their windows. Apparently food shortages are getting bad, and many of these residents were locked in without an opportunity to first get food and supplies.

  https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/04/video-shows-reportedly-starving-shanghai-residents-screaming-from-homes-during-weekslong-mass-covid-19-lockdown/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2022, 08:47:44 AM
Shanghai is fencing in entire neighborhoods.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/04/25/as-health-officials-begin-to-fence-in-residents-in-shanghai-panic-buying-hits-beijing/

I just heard on the TV that China is currently seeing record covid deaths. That would indicate infection rates far beyond those at the beginning of the covid panic. Yet covid is hardly mentioned here in the US anymore? Where we have relaxed both national and incoming international restrictions? At the beginning of the panic, you couldn't go a day without hearing from every MSM source that someone came in from another country and became a covid superspreader.

Also, here's the current (1245 Zulu, 25APR) state of shipping off of Shanghai. I wouldn't expect the supply chain to get back to normal anytime soon.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:121.9/centery:30.6/zoom:8
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
Word from the ex is it's getting insane over there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 25, 2022, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 25, 2022, 08:47:44 AM
Shanghai is fencing in entire neighborhoods.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/04/25/as-health-officials-begin-to-fence-in-residents-in-shanghai-panic-buying-hits-beijing/

I just heard on the TV that China is currently seeing record covid deaths. That would indicate infection rates far beyond those at the beginning of the covid panic. Yet covid is hardly mentioned here in the US anymore? Where we have relaxed both national and incoming international restrictions? At the beginning of the panic, you couldn't go a day without hearing from every MSM source that someone came in from another country and became a covid superspreader.

Also, here's the current (1245 Zulu, 25APR) state of shipping off of Shanghai. I wouldn't expect the supply chain to get back to normal anytime soon.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:121.9/centery:30.6/zoom:8
Are they seeing record COVID deaths or just cases?  Most of the stuff I have come across just mentions cases.  And it seems like they are locking up entire buildings due to some cases in the building.

I gotta wonder if there is something else going on there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2022, 09:19:07 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 25, 2022, 09:17:15 AM
Are they seeing record COVID deaths or just cases?  Most of the stuff I have come across just mentions cases.

Maria Bartiromo said deaths. It certainly could be that she confused deaths and cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 25, 2022, 09:58:07 AM
China has a low vaccine rate for it's old people. Maybe they don't trust their government.

Are they dying of covid or with covid and a boot on their neck?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2022, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 25, 2022, 09:58:07 AM
China has a low vaccine rate for it's old people. Maybe they don't trust their government.

Are they dying of covid or with covid and a boot on their neck?

China has something of a demographic problem with too many old people with not enough young people to support them tax base wise thanks to their, now somewhat former once they realized they were creating a time bomb, one child policy.

Soooo  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 25, 2022, 10:10:10 AM
Crude oil is falling HARD again today, down over $5 a barrel, on the Shanghai news.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 25, 2022, 11:48:20 AM
I suspect that China is assuming that we will follow their propaganda lead again, like we did the first time.
 
Have they gotten any better with their videos of people dying in the streets?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 25, 2022, 01:07:48 PM
https://www.gocomics.com/henrypayne/2021/09/01
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 12:19:54 AM
In other news, here in St. Louis City, three people have died since April 1 with covid attributed as a factor.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 26, 2022, 07:22:34 AM
For the better part of two years my employer has required employees to take an online Kung Flu assessment on a company app.

If you didn't fill it out, you couldn't get into the buildings and you'd get a stern talking to.

Yesterday was the last day we had to do that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
And... The low information/progressive virtue signalers are still wearing masks and lecturing people. The covid dancers are still doing their thing.
 
My standard reply at this point?
 
"I had to get the shots. Essential retail. If the people screeching about it were right, I should have been dead last year. We have a web site, and you can have that spark plug for your lawnmower delivered."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 26, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
Quote from: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
And... The low information/progressive virtue signalers are still wearing masks and lecturing people. The covid dancers are still doing their thing.
 
My standard reply at this point?
 
"I had to get the shots. Essential retail. If the people screeching about it were right, I should have been dead last year. We have a web site, and you can have that spark plug for your lawnmower delivered."
And the spark plug will be packed and boxed by people who were not essential retail (and may have COVID!).   >:D 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on April 26, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
Quote from: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
And... The low information/progressive virtue signalers are still wearing masks and lecturing people. The covid dancers are still doing their thing.
 
My standard reply at this point?
 
"I had to get the shots. Essential retail. If the people screeching about it were right, I should have been dead last year. We have a web site, and you can have that spark plug for your lawnmower delivered."

What is in your water? We still got a few mask wearers here, but they keep their business to themselves and go about the day in society. I haven't seen anyone mask or no mask harass anyone with the opposite for a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2022, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: charby on April 26, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
What is in your water? We still got a few mask wearers here, but they keep their business to themselves and go about the day in society. I haven't seen anyone mask or no mask harass anyone with the opposite for a while.

It's Metropolitan Syndrome.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 26, 2022, 10:15:17 AM
DeathSantis put all the COVID dancers around here in camps months ago.

You still see some people choosing to wear masks, but I haven't been lectured about it in months.  Hell even at Disney last week maybe 2 out of 10 people were masked.  I think someone hid a crazy person bait in Bogie's store.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 26, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: charby on April 26, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
What is in your water? We still got a few mask wearers here, but they keep their business to themselves and go about the day in society. I haven't seen anyone mask or no mask harass anyone with the opposite for a while.

It is like the therapists say: the only common factor in your unhappy relationships is you.  So if Bogie keeps getting the spittlescreeching.........
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 26, 2022, 10:42:11 AM
Yep, no mask lectures in a LONG time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 26, 2022, 10:49:31 AM
If I go to Kroger maybe 2 out of 10 people will be wearing masks. Never seen anyone lectured over it.
Used to be on the nextdoor app someone almost every day would be screeching about seeing someone in a store without a mask usually followed by I will never shop there again but even that seems to have largely died off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on April 26, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Despite expecting it to happen, I've never been screeched at about masking during the whole Covid thing.  I have been given the stink eye a time or two, though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 26, 2022, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 26, 2022, 10:49:31 AM
If I go to Kroger maybe 2 out of 10 people will be wearing masks. Never seen anyone lectured over it.
Used to be on the nextdoor app someone almost every day would be screeching about seeing someone in a store without a mask usually followed by I will never shop there again but even that seems to have largely died off.

Maybe because those people don't shop there anymore  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2022, 05:14:20 PM
The Missouri River curves to the north just before turning back to the south, and joining the Mississippi, just up-river from St. Louis. On the western bank of that north-running stretch of the river stands St Charles, Missouri. St Charles is a suburb of St. Louis these days, but still far out enough that it can support a Bass Pro shop, and several other gun stores. It's the kind of place where you can find an entire store devoted to jerked meats, as well as a Duluth Trading store, a 5.11, and a Carhartt outlet. It's where I used to shop, to avoid the mask-nazism in St Louis County. Even at the height of pandemic paranoia, there was a Goodcents deli where only a few customers (and none of the staff) wore masks.

I say all that to note that the Half-Price Books in St Charles is plastered with at least a half-dozen signs about its mask mandate. And they enforce it. Or at least it was that way a month ago.

The madness has its pockets where it persists.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 26, 2022, 05:30:15 PM
I wonder if this was St. Louis?

https://gunfreezone.net/they-asked-for-tolerance-but-give-none/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 26, 2022, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2022, 05:14:20 PM
The Missouri River curves to the north just before turning back to the south, and joining the Mississippi, just up-river from St. Louis. On the western bank of that north-running stretch of the river stands St Charles, Missouri. St Charles is a suburb of St. Louis these days, but still far out enough that it can support a Bass Pro shop, and several other gun stores. It's the kind of place where you can find an entire store devoted to jerked meats, as well as a Duluth Trading store, a 5.11, and a Carhartt outlet. It's where I used to shop, to avoid the mask-nazism in St Louis County. Even at the height of pandemic paranoia, there was a Goodcents deli where only a few customers (and none of the staff) wore masks.

I say all that to note that the Half-Price Books in St Charles is plastered with at least a half-dozen signs about its mask mandate. And they enforce it. Or at least it was that way a month ago.

The madness has its pockets where it persists.

I've run into the same when I've crossed the border into Boise. Most places there are back to normal and totally "wear a mask if you want or don't, whatever floats your boat". Except for a few pockets of crazy.

I was in the hospital today, and while they still have "mask up" signs on the front door, they seem lackadaisical about it. I had planned on wearing a mask but forgot mine, and was getting a ride so I couldn't grab a spare from my center console (I have no problems wearing a mask in a germ filled hospital). They had a big box of them at check-in, and I asked if I could grab one. "Sure, if you want".

Upstairs in the unit where I was being prepped, while all the medical professionals had masks on, at least half of them had their masks below their noses (just in the prep area - when they wheeled me in to the procedure, that whole team of course had real masks as per usual). It almost seemed more like they were wearing masks in the prep area for the benefit of any "must mask" patients.

When this procedure was scheduled a few weeks ago, they told me that I had to have a negative covid test 24 hours beforehand from one of their testing places. I got a call late last week that I no longer had to do that as they had cancelled mandatory testing a week previously.

I still gotta wonder how long "getting back to normal" will last with the China news. All it'll take is a couple of slow news days and we'll be back to "mask up or die!" mode.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 26, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
^^^So clearly, you survived your latest involvement with the medical system.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 26, 2022, 07:09:32 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 26, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
^^^So clearly, you survived your latest involvement with the medical system.

 =D

Two polyps and a hiatal hernia - at least that's what my addled brain remembered them saying when they woke me up.  :laugh:

I'll get the full rundown in my follow-up next week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 26, 2022, 08:15:53 PM
My acupuncture clinic still has "please wear a mask" signs all over the place.

My first appointment I didn't wear a mask (I didn't  even think about taking one, to be honest) and no one said boo to me.

My second appointment I did wear a mask.

I figure if someone is going to be jamming needles into me I don't need to go out of my way in pissing him off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 26, 2022, 08:38:41 PM
Meanwhile at Costco

https://twitter.com/lightspeedo69/status/1518976955948822529
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 26, 2022, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: WLJ on April 26, 2022, 08:38:41 PM
Meanwhile at Costco

https://twitter.com/lightspeedo69/status/1518976955948822529

So he keeps telling the employees to get away from him as he keeps walking towards the employees.  ;/

I wonder where that Costco was? Mine hasn't required masks for quite some time. In fact they canceled "senior and sensitive customers" early opening hours a couple of weeks ago. I thought the Costco rules applied to all stores.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 26, 2022, 08:58:10 PM
Too bad Tyson doesn't work there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 26, 2022, 09:30:05 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 26, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
^^^So clearly, you survived your latest involvement with the medical system.

The night is young.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jim147 on April 26, 2022, 05:30:15 PM
I wonder if this was St. Louis?

https://gunfreezone.net/they-asked-for-tolerance-but-give-none/

Do any of you guys know Miggy from GunFreeZone? I think he'd be a good addition to our little thing here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 10:47:34 PM
My store is interesting...
 
There are basically three adjacent neighborhoods/cultures.
 
The woke folk (my neighborhood) who are driving a Prius or something similar, who make a big deal of recycling their grocery/store bags, if they don't shop with burlap, and who are STILL masked, because they Believe.
 
The Old Farts who are looking for parts for their 1998 Buick.
 
The folks from the north side who are more interested in air fresheners, ozium and tire shine than in making sure there is enough oil in the car.

All of them have their mask adherents, but it is the younger woke folks who are still really sticking to it. Some of the Old Farts who watch too much TV (and who often have Hillary or Obama stickers still on their cars) are the most serious covid dancers. They're the ones who  you see with three pairs of gloves, who will tell you that thousands of people are dying daily in STL...
 
According to the City web page, which is probably biased high, three people have died with it since April 1...

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2022, 08:16:13 AM
Fauci is saying the pandemic is over, even while China locks people in.

It seems to me history has shown he has normally been saying the opposite - if this China stuff were happening a year ago, even with the US having it's currently low numbers at that time, he would be calling for strict protocols. You just can't help but think November, rather than science,  has something to do with his current views.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-us-is-certainly-out-of-the-pandemic-phase
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on April 27, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 27, 2022, 08:16:13 AM
Fauci is saying the pandemic is over, even while China locks people in.


Can he now go away and never be heard from again?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 27, 2022, 11:15:40 AM
Quote from: Pb on April 27, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Can he now go away and never be heard from again?

Will only happen if he openly comes out expressing a less than far left view on anything and openly supports someone on the right for president. Until then he's a god like expert on everything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on April 27, 2022, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: Bogie on April 26, 2022, 10:37:19 PM

Do any of you guys know Miggy from GunFreeZone? I think he'd be a good addition to our little thing here.

Only online. We talk Prog Rock from time to time. Besides me telling him about this place he hangs out with Oleg.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on April 27, 2022, 10:34:08 PM
On my flight to DFW on Monday I’d estimate that at SeaTac about 80% of people (including at least half of TSA) were maskless.  On the plane it was closer to 90%.  At Peterbilt it’s been 95+%.  Unfortunately the prettiest lady engineer was one of the very few maskers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 28, 2022, 03:09:36 PM
More politics of covid, and why the rich and famous are "immune" to the virus and can do whatever they want without masks.


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/28/transportation-secretary-pete-buttigieg-explains-why-its-safe-to-be-mask-free-at-the-whcd-but-not-on-airplanes/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 11, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Quote
a large-scale study conducted in Japan found that masks do not help defend against viruses such as the 2009 influenza. Instead, the main advantage of masks is to cause frightened behavior.

“The major efficacy of a mask is that it causes alarm in the other person, so you stay away from each other,” Garrett said.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/11/flashback-2018-video-shows-public-health-expert-admitting-masks-only-work-to-cause-alarm/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on May 11, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
There's a French study that concluded the opposite... people stamd closer to strangers when they are masked. Whether it's because they felt safer, or because they can't hear as well and get closer to be able to hear, is uncertain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: zahc on May 11, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
There's a French study that concluded the opposite... people stamd closer to strangers when they are masked. Whether it's because they felt safer, or because they can't hear as well and get closer to be able to hear, is uncertain.

Many Europeans tend to have a much smaller "personal space buffer" than do Americans. I don't know if that might contribute. I don't know what the Japanese personal space boundary is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2022, 12:18:13 PM
I saw this in an update this morning.   

Fauci, Collins Shared In ‘Secret’ NIH ‘Royalties’ Totaling $350M: Watchdog Report
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fauci-collins-shared-in-secret-nih-royalties-totaling-350m-watchdog-report

Quote
The report from OpenTheBooks.com said the royalty payments, including at least 23 to Fauci and 14 to his former boss, Collins, were paid out between 2010 and 2020. Government scientists got the payments for being credited as “co-inventors” of various treatments and pharmaceutical products, according to the report.
“Because those payments enrich the agency and its scientists, each and every royalty payment could be a potential conflict of interest and needs disclosure,” OpenTheBooks.com co-founder and CEO Adam Andrzejewski wrote. “NIH is a revolving door of tens of billions of dollars in government grant-making coupled with hundreds of millions of dollars in private – non-transparent – royalty payments.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on May 11, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 11, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Many Europeans tend to have a much smaller "personal space buffer" than do Americans. I don't know if that might contribute. I don't know what the Japanese personal space boundary is.

Japanese is probably even smaller. But the french study specifically tested by asking strangers on the street for directions. So communication was a big factor in the french study.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 11, 2022, 01:12:43 PM
Japanese are probably used to having their personal space crowded and don't get bothered by it anymore.  There are a lot of people on those islands.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 11, 2022, 01:17:48 PM
I remember hearing, long, long ago, that the Japanese tend to want more personal space than most Westerners do.

But I don't remember where I heard that, so...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2022, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 11, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
So communication was a big factor in the french study.

I could buy that for a dollar. During all the mask craziness I was starting to feel like my hard of hearing dad, continually saying, "What's that?" to masked people. I already have background hearing issues, and many masked people were sounding like "background noise" to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on May 11, 2022, 02:43:06 PM
My FIL is deaf in one ear, but he can get around ok normally. During mask mandates, he was basically handicapped and couldn't go grocery shopping or anything.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2022, 03:32:44 PM
New Data from Walgreens Reveals Unvaccinated Have the Lowest Positivity Rate for COVID — Triple and Double Vaxxed Groups Have the Worst Rate
https://freedomminds.com/2022/05/10/stunner-new-data-from-walgreens-reveals-unvaccinated-have-the-lowest-positivity-rate-for-covid-triple-and-double-vaxxed-groups-have-the-worst-rate/

There is likely some selection bias at this point as the most vulnerable are likely in the vaccinated group.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2022, 03:33:33 PM
Analysis of Federal Data Shows Increase in Covid-19 Deaths Occurred Among the Vaccinated – Experts Warn More Breakthrough Deaths to be Expected with More Americans Reaching Fully Vaxxed Status
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/analysis-federal-data-shows-increase-covid-19-deaths-occurred-among-vaccinated-experts-warn-breakthrough-deaths-expected-americans-reaching-fully-vaxx-status/

Maybe the same.  Hard to say.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2022, 04:17:59 PM
Speaking of masks, I guess there really still are mask nazis out there. In this case, yelling at someone for "improper masking" while they themselves are maskless. Freakin' actors.


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/11/truly-insane-maskless-broadway-actress-flips-out-after-spotting-audience-members-masks-not-covering-noses/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on May 11, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
Had to wear a mask yesterday as I went to my doctor.  I’ll be very glad when even that goes away.  So tiring not being able to see faces or understand half of what someone is saying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 11, 2022, 07:07:01 PM
Want to have fun? Call your local car parts store about something moderately technical. Have the window open, be driving next to a truck, have the radio on, and a screaming kid in the car, and make sure you are triple-masked for the call.
 
Me: "Hey, are you on speaker phone?"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2022, 08:14:27 PM
More Shanghai news

Quote
Shanghai officials will over the next few days further restrict access to food and hospitals in some parts of the city, the most severe phase of its extended lockdown yet.

Commercial food deliveries are not allowed and access to hospitals for all but emergencies must first be approved.

Neighbours of Covid-19 cases and others living close by are also being forced into government quarantine facilities.

Shanghai moves to impose tightest restrictions yet
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61404082
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 11, 2022, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 11, 2022, 08:14:27 PM
More Shanghai news

Shanghai moves to impose tightest restrictions yet
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61404082

Intentionally staving their citizens to death.  Communists love their holodomors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on May 11, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
What is most likely to be the biggest problem facing the ChiComs?
Overpopulation.  :O
What is the least troublesome yet fastest way to reduce that overpopulation?  Yep, a airborne disease that is most dangerous to the elderly or those with pre-existing health problems.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on May 11, 2022, 11:40:12 PM
China absolutely does not have an overpopulation problem.  Even before Covid.  Their 1-child policy was far too successful.  It’s now thought the 2000 census overcounted the (by now) under 35 cohort by 100mil.  The child bearing age Chinese are not reproducing and anywhere close to replacement rates.  They’re now the fastest aging society in history.  Getting rid of the elderly has more to do with reducing the burden on the younger generations than reducing overall population.  For the simple reason that there aren’t enough younger Chinese to care for the elderly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 12, 2022, 12:11:23 AM
It's also damn near impossible for your basic communist village-based agrarian society to support manufacturing...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 12, 2022, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: Bogie on May 12, 2022, 12:11:23 AM
It's also damn near impossible for your basic communist village-based agrarian society to support manufacturing...

That's a feature, not a bug.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 12, 2022, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on May 11, 2022, 11:40:12 PM
China absolutely does not have an overpopulation problem.  Even before Covid.  Their 1-child policy was far too successful.  It’s now thought the 2000 census overcounted the (by now) under 35 cohort by 100mil.  The child bearing age Chinese are not reproducing and anywhere close to replacement rates.  They’re now the fastest aging society in history.  Getting rid of the elderly has more to do with reducing the burden on the younger generations than reducing overall population.  For the simple reason that there aren’t enough younger Chinese to care for the elderly.
You mean an tyrannical govt policy meant to solve a problem did not work?  The hell you say!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on May 12, 2022, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 12, 2022, 09:12:38 AM
You mean an tyrannical govt policy meant to solve a problem did not work?  The hell you say!

 :laugh:

Who’d’ve thunk it?

Apparently the Russians and most of Western Europe aren’t much better off demographically.  The Malthusians were too persuasive I guess.  The USA has the advantage that the middle to late boomers actually had kids which is why the millennial generation is so large.  I’m Gen X (like probably a lot of us here) and we’re the smallest generation in a long time because early boomers and post war folks didn’t have hardly any kids.  But most millennials aren’t having a lot of kids so we’ll be in that situation as well in another 50 years.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2022, 11:54:36 AM
Yeah but our problem right now is that a large % of our young refuses to work
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on May 12, 2022, 07:01:48 PM
I am actually surprised because I thought China would have started a large war by now since millions of men with zero chance of getting laid or having a family is not good for domestic tranquillity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 14, 2022, 08:07:04 AM
Guess who's got COVID now?
After reportedly holding it off for some time it's probably going to spread like wildfire

North Korea announces first death from Covid-19
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61432084

North Korea: Covid outbreak a great disaster, says Kim Jong-un
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61446907
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
Quote
Dara Kass, MD
@darakass
It’s gotten to the point where I am rapid testing myself for COVID 2-3x/week because I like to see people and most of my gatherings involve food or drink.

How often are you testing?

Two to three times a week? Have they come up with the name for covidphobia yet?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 14, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 14, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
Two to three times a week? Have they come up with the name for covidphobia yet?

That would be an Ultra MAGA Karen Branch Covidian.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 14, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
More like covidphilia...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2022, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Bogie on May 14, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
More like covidphilia...

Concur.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 15, 2022, 12:42:27 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on May 15, 2022, 01:55:41 PM
There they go, trying to morph the count of how many died "with" Covid to how many died "from" Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 16, 2022, 02:38:48 AM
Common Sense: Quarantine care facilities to curtail the possibility of nosocomial infection
 
Democrats: Covid patients have a right to be placed in any care facility
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 16, 2022, 04:23:50 AM
Quote from: Bogie on May 16, 2022, 02:38:48 AM
Common Sense: Quarantine care facilities to curtail the possibility of nosocomial infection
 
Democrats: Covid patients have a right to be placed in any care facility

Cuomo: Puts patients in nursing homes and tries to put them on the navy hospital ship.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 16, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 15, 2022, 12:42:27 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta
So they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on May 16, 2022, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 16, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
So they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not.
Their claim is that from the point at which the vaccine was available, if everyone were vaccinated there would have been a further 72,324 deaths.
What was actually seen was 391,305 deaths.  Thus - according to their claim - vaccines (and boosters, and boosters, and boosters) could have saved 318,981 lives.  Most of the other deaths occurred before the vaccine was available.

I don't care enough about this particular study to dig deeper, but I tend to strongly doubt its usefulness or accuracy.

From the article:
Quote
All of this comes down to trust – whether the political leadership creates the climate of trust in the public health agencies' efforts, in the science, in the ability of the health care system to deliver," Tsai says. "To me, this is a map of trust."
This.  Less than ideal vaccine acceptance has been caused by a continual failure of the public health system and their industry partners to establish and maintain trust based on their handling of this pandemic.  If a more serious pandemic happens in the next generation I foresee a near total breakdown in any public health measures that are implemented. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on May 16, 2022, 11:29:09 AM
They also ignore vaccine deaths. The fact that they don't even show an estimate for vaccine deaths is  a glaring flaw and shows they are approaching the problem with biased eyes. And if they did show vaccine deaths, i would still criticize them because it's so difficult to know vaccine deaths. So the whole study would be one big error bar.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 16, 2022, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 16, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
So they are saying the majority of the people who died would have died whether all adults were vaccinated or not.

Well, given that a large percentage of the people who died WITH it were already terminally ill?
 
Seriously - they were counting hospice patients.
 
Just checked the St. Louis page. Last death attributed was April 18. But the news is still pushing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 16, 2022, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 16, 2022, 11:29:09 AM
So the whole study would be one big error bar.

Back when I was working in the labs at Pfizer (I don't say that often...), the data presentation that I keep seeing would have never made it out the door.
 
When the whole mess started with only looking at a portion of the data set, something was wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 19, 2022, 11:05:03 AM
Crap. Because of the COVID spike in our area, we are back to mandatory wearing of N95 masks if you are within six feet of a patient.  That pretty much means masking up the second you walk into the building and until you leave.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 19, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
Well, this is depressing if you have long COVID:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-isnt-just-gonna-go-away-long-covid-is-crashing-the-retirement-hopes-of-many-americans-11652961935
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 19, 2022, 11:03:17 PM
And... I wonder just how many Long Covid patients there are...
 
And of that number, what percentage is hoping for a payday...
 
Because, it is FATAL and results in lung scarring...
 
(but what if you never show any symptoms?)
 
IT IS STILL FATAL! AND HAS LUNG SCARRING!
 
(even if they don't hook you up to a ventilator and overpressure?)
 
HEATHEN!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 21, 2022, 05:49:12 PM
Mask wearing protocol:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1527584415509008384
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
Guess he has to wear the mask when he's coming off the plane, since he's still officially pushing masks on planes for the rest of us.

None of it makes sense, though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on May 22, 2022, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
Guess he has to wear the mask when he's coming off the plane, since he's still officially pushing masks on planes for the rest of us.

None of it makes sense, though.

the consensus of political scientist have concluded that being alone on a staircase necessitates mask wearing because science   
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on May 22, 2022, 09:03:52 AM
How much you want to bet Biden put the mask on just before he deplaned?  Never miss a photo op.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2022, 09:05:17 AM
Biden has issues with stairs
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on May 22, 2022, 09:03:52 AM
How much you want to bet Biden put the mask on just before he deplaned?  Never miss a photo op.

Obviously.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on May 22, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on May 22, 2022, 09:03:52 AM
How much you want to bet Biden put the mask on just before he deplaned?  Never miss a photo op.

And then he took it off as soon as he got face to face with the South Korean representatives.  Makes sense.   :O =| ???
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on May 22, 2022, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 22, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
And then he took it off as soon as he got face to face with the South Korean representatives.  Makes sense.   :O =| ???

Hey, it is Brandon, so...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2022, 09:34:15 AM
Dr. Karen flips out because a dishwasher delivery crew weren't wearing N95 masks. They were wearing masks just not N95s
I love the ending  :rofl:

Thread from a Mass. doctor who flipped out on a dishwasher delivery crew over cloth masks has a surprise ending
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/28/thread-from-a-mass-doctor-who-flipped-out-on-a-dishwasher-delivery-crew-over-cloth-masks-has-a-surprise-ending/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 28, 2022, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: WLJ on June 28, 2022, 09:34:15 AM
Dr. Karen flips out because a dishwasher delivery crew weren't wearing N95 masks. They were wearing masks just not N95s
I love the ending  :rofl:

Thread from a Mass. doctor who flipped out on a dishwasher delivery crew over cloth masks has a surprise ending
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/28/thread-from-a-mass-doctor-who-flipped-out-on-a-dishwasher-delivery-crew-over-cloth-masks-has-a-surprise-ending/

She thinks a dishwasher installation is a "vital repair." Guess she has no sink.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on June 29, 2022, 12:09:06 AM
The dishwasher was too tall? Every house I have ever bought has what I thought was a standard size cut out under the counter. I would just order a new one from Lowe's when needed and install it. Maybe I was just lucky they all fit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 29, 2022, 07:43:24 AM
"The dishwasher was too tall? "

Yeah, I had the same thought.

Standard dishwasher dimensions are 24" wide, 25" deep, and 35" tall.

I don't know of any manufacturer that makes a dishwasher taller than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2022, 08:34:15 AM
Not sure about "too tall", but I can easily see the contractors being fed up finding any excuse they could to get out of there (such as the insulation/trim being tight so the new unit doesn't quite fit without modification).  "Doesn't fit" might be one of those cut outs where they can leave and get paid for showing up while the homeowner can still return the appliance. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on June 29, 2022, 08:44:41 AM
I've seen many kitchens that had a hardwood floor installed without putting it under the dishwasher making removal almost impossible. But I think they just got tired of her crap.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on June 29, 2022, 08:44:41 AM
I've seen many kitchens that had a hardwood floor installed without putting it under the dishwasher making removal almost impossible. But I think they just got tired of her crap.

Yep, previous owners did that in our house.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on June 29, 2022, 09:14:38 AM
In my house they put the dishwasher in the opening and then put the finish frame for the base cabinets over top of it.

Which locked it in place.

I had relieve the cabinet opening with a chisel and a hand plane to get the old dishwasher out.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2022, 09:29:41 AM
I installed my current dish washer.  It just slid in.  It was pretty tight, but it fit.  I think the old one had more clearance on the opening.  The new one just barely fit. 

I was going to pay for installation, but the price for that has gone up.  If your connections are set up right, it only takes a few hours at most. 

Most home appliances are not all that hard to install if you don't have to modify the connections.  Biggest issue is if you don't know why certain things are the way they are, you might not set up or connect something that should be there.  In an old house, I forgot to knock out the blank on my garbage disposal for the dishwasher drain when I replaced the disposal.  Never knew why the dishwasher didn't work.  Realized it after replacing the dishwasher before I sold that house.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 02, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
At the grocery just now, watched on of the local covid dancers going entirely beyond the pale of OCD on wiping down a shopping cart.
 
That had been outside.
 
In the rain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2022, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: Bogie on July 02, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
At the grocery just now, watched on of the local covid dancers going entirely beyond the pale of OCD on wiping down a shopping cart.
 
That had been outside.
 
In the rain.

You should have offered to lick it clean for them just to see the the look on their faces
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 02, 2022, 05:32:05 PM
The security guy was watching another guy who was wearing a hood, under a hoodie, which covered the forehead and cheeks, mask for the lower face, and sunglasses... Along with blue gloves. Hoodie was zipped. There was a messenger bag worn on the chest.
 
It was about 90 degrees and 99% humidity today.
 
Security guy did NOT look amused.
 
Security guy was most definitely not a white redneck.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 17, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
St. Louis City update...
 
The media/headline stuff says that the Covid Risk is high.
 
About the only folks I see masked are the Young and Enlightened. And a few scared older folks. Very few.
 
Oh, and the ones wearing hoodies and sunglasses at night.
 
Had a group of kids come in the store the other night like that... Stendos poking out of the hoodies.
 
"Don't even try it."
 
They left.
 
The Weather Channel and the City website numbers are closer together. Since the start of the shenanigans, the number of people listed as having died with the bug in the City is approximately 800.
 
That is 0.25% of the population.
 
No idea what percentage actually died FROM it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on July 17, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
"Stendos"??
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on July 17, 2022, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on July 17, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
"Stendos"??

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stendo
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on July 17, 2022, 03:07:12 PM
Extended magazine on their Glocks, according to urban dictionary...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 17, 2022, 10:46:37 PM
I've seen a few HiPoints too... Those things appear to be pretty heavy, and add to the sagging factor.
 
Right about now, most folks seem ready to hunt down and skin the folks who have been jacking the Hyundais and Kias...
 
https://youtu.be/CKUNx_bpwOk

We have them back in park in front of the store, and as soon as they walk in, they get stared down.
 
The one batch was all wearing black hoodies (90 degree heat), hoods up, black masks on, sunglasses, and a blue glove on the right hand. Weird. Almost like the 1980s/1990s again...
 
Warriors... Come out and...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
Washer on spin cycle

Fauci Claims He 'Didn't Recommend Locking Anything Down.' Here Are 9 Times He Did.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/07/26/fauci-claims-he-didnt-recommend-locking-anything-down-here-are-9-times-he-did-n2610782
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2022, 11:11:35 AM
Dr. Fauci Regrets Not Pushing For More Stringent Covid Restrictions, Says Americans Should Wear Masks In “Schools, Places of Work” (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/dr-fauci-regrets-not-pushing-stringent-covid-restrictions-says-americans-wear-masks-schools-places-work-video/

Quote
Dr. Fauci on Monday regretted not pushing for more stringent Covid restrictions during an appearance on The Hill’s “Rising” with hosts Robby Soave and Batya Ungar-Sargon.

“We know now, 2-and-a-half years later that anywhere from 50%-60% of the transmission occurred from someone without symptoms – either someone who will never get symptoms or someone who is in the pre-symptomatic stage,” Fauci said.
“Had we known that then, the insidious nature of spread in the community would have been much more of an alarm and there would have been much, much more stringent restrictions in the sense of very, very encouraging people to wear masks, physical distancing or what have you,” Fauci said.
In 2020, masks and physical distancing were all they were talking about.  I thought Fauci was the one that talked Trump into the "2 week" lockdown that turned into 2 months or more. 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 27, 2022, 02:15:25 PM
"The vaccine isn't gene therapy" "it doesn't effect DNA" story is showing some serious cracks.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-covid-jabs-alteration-of-dna-could-extend-to-reproductive-cells-affect-babies/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 27, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 27, 2022, 02:15:25 PM
"The vaccine isn't gene therapy" "it doesn't effect DNA" story is showing some serious cracks.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-covid-jabs-alteration-of-dna-could-extend-to-reproductive-cells-affect-babies/
That is interesting.  I remember hearing some people speculate that large amounts of the spike protein in the system could cause some of the side effects reported.  This sounds more like the RNA effects might be sloppy (for a lack of a better word) in some cases and affect more than they were intended (if I am reading it right).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: Ron on July 27, 2022, 02:15:25 PM
"The vaccine isn't gene therapy" "it doesn't effect DNA" story is showing some serious cracks.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-mccullough-covid-jabs-alteration-of-dna-could-extend-to-reproductive-cells-affect-babies/

If you follow the links, that is clearly not what the study said and this conspiracy theory website even quotes a geneticist who calls the title “misleading.”

This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on July 27, 2022, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM


This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.

The definition of you.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2022, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: De Selby on July 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM
If you follow the links, that is clearly not what the study said and this conspiracy theory website even quotes a geneticist who calls the title “misleading.”

This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.

Guys, come on man, if you're not gonna flush at least put the lid down.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 27, 2022, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2022, 10:06:50 PM
Guys, come on man, if you're not gonna flush at least put the lid down.

California toilet
You can flush any time you like but it never leaves
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 28, 2022, 03:03:40 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on July 27, 2022, 10:05:11 PM
The definition of you.

Don’t take my word for it - ask your own doctor what he thinks of this crap.

It’s hilarious how similar right and left can be when it comes to buying into bs only because it suits the narrative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on July 28, 2022, 08:27:41 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62307383

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/compelling-new-evidence-tracks-covids-origin-to-wuhan-market

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/coronavirus-jumped-to-humans-at-least-twice-at-market-in-wuhan-china

More thought on the Wuhan market being the point of origin for the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 28, 2022, 08:56:17 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM
If you follow the links, that is clearly not what the study said and this conspiracy theory website even quotes a geneticist who calls the title “misleading.”

This is the definition of result oriented reporting - it’s trash.
A little more detail would be nice.  Which link are you referring to?  What was the quote that called it misleading? 

Most of the links I see go to other articles on the same site. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on July 28, 2022, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: De Selby on July 28, 2022, 03:03:40 AM
Don’t take my word for it - ask your own doctor what he thinks of this crap.

It’s hilarious how similar right and left can be when it comes to buying into bs only because it suits the narrative.
A disturbingly high amount of conspiracy, trash reporting has been ending up closer to the truth than the official narratives.

We will wait and see ...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on July 28, 2022, 09:14:10 AM
Q: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact?

A: depending on the election cycle, about 6 months
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on July 28, 2022, 09:24:34 AM
There's definitely a lot of bad, manipulative, and outrageous information out there about COVID and the COVID vaccines.

Shockingly, some of the nonsense is even generated outside of the official public health apparatus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on July 28, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on July 28, 2022, 08:56:17 AM
A little more detail would be nice.  Which link are you referring to?  What was the quote that called it misleading? 

Most of the links I see go to other articles on the same site.

 https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/study-suggests-covid-vaccines-could-potentially-modify-peoples-dna/ (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/study-suggests-covid-vaccines-could-potentially-modify-peoples-dna/)

This is linked in the article Ron posted. It is their first hack job. In that one you find out that this bs is from an experimental cell line, and there is in fact no evidence whatsoever that human reproductive cells are having their DNA modified.

Carl Sagan spent all that time on tv trying to get people interested in science and to learn to spot baloney, and yet people from all walks of life are citing click bait and any name they can find to justify their superstitions. He must be rolling in his grave.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 28, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Quote
A recently published scientific article[1] shows evidence that it is not possible to guarantee that mRNA in the Pfizer genomic COVID “vaccine” will never be integrated into the DNA of cells with which it is in contact.
This is the first sentence from that link.  Doesn't say they can guarantee it is happening, just that they cannot rule it out and other studies are only short term.  I believe in the past, it was claimed this could never happen and this says that may not be true. 

Quote
Titled “Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line,” the study appears to justify concerns that the genomic “vaccines” could potentially be modifying, to an unknown extent, the DNA of at least some of the 5 billion individuals having received at least one dose to date.
This statement right after is very carefully worded also.  Considering we are talking about 5 billion people getting vaccinated, it is important to know.

Quote
French geneticist Professor Alexandra Henrion-Caude told LifeSiteNews that while she felt a little uncomfortable with the somewhat “misleading” way in which the title presented this study to the readers, the issue of the fate of the mRNA in humans should have prompted a worldwide immediate concern, and should warrant far more prudence and studies addressing the risk of “reverse transcription” and “integration,” and thus potential human modification.
Uncomfortable with the claim, but it warrants further study.  Is this the quote you are referring to?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 28, 2022, 11:11:08 AM
I would also add that we are over 18 months since the vaccines were introduced, but we are still using the emergency authorization.  I think they approved one vaccine, but from what I have heard, it really isn't available.  I would have expected all that to be wrapped up by now.  Also, I haven't heard anyone talk about the vaccines being improved to be more effective against the newer strains of the virus. 

This might all be news I have missed. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 28, 2022, 01:42:04 PM
You lie to me about one thing, everything else becomes suspect.
 
My BS meter pegged so hard that the needle bent in the first days... When they didn't use all of the data for their "if it bleeds, it is a PANDEMIC!" headlines, I looked deeper.

Here in St. Louis City, population approximately 300,000, we're in the middle of an OUTBREAK! There are CASES! And TESTING! And earnest people wearing masks 6' apart doing interviews.
 
In the past 90 days, we have had 14 people die WITH the bug, and there is absolutely no way - no way at all - that they could have fudged... much... with that number...
 
BUT IT IS DEADLY!!!
 
And I still see people driving by themselves wearing magical masks.
 
But I gotta tell you - I see more youts wearing masks, likely to avoid cameras...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 10, 2022, 07:43:55 AM
There are countries out there that claim total (UAE) or near total vaccination (Singapore, China, Portugal).

None have yet eradicated COVID.

Herd immunity acquired through vaccination and recovered infection was one thing I had hoped to see, but absent a more effective vaccine or protocol that prevents transfer eradication does not appear to be something that is ever going to happen.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 10, 2022, 10:55:40 AM
Regardless of the vaccine, is this going to be like the cold virus where some people are just more susceptible and will continue to get it periodically? 

The people in my sphere who have gotten it multiple times have all been vaccinated.  Considering the vaccination rate is fairly high, that may not be a valid relationship. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 10, 2022, 11:02:20 AM
On the related note on the immunity side:  I heard something mentioned recently about zinc deficiency that some people may have.  A guy said certain plant products have chemicals (glyphosate) applied that can reduce zinc the body.  It was a youtube short so it was just a few sentences about it.  Have any of you seen information on this?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vEwEoEcS4OM
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 10, 2022, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: cordex on August 10, 2022, 07:43:55 AM
There are countries out there that claim total (UAE) or near total vaccination (Singapore, China, Portugal).

None have yet eradicated COVID.

Herd immunity acquired through vaccination and recovered infection was one thing I had hoped to see, but absent a more effective vaccine or protocol that prevents transfer eradication does not appear to be something that is ever going to happen.

Word.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 10, 2022, 07:44:05 PM
We had a lot of cafeteria conversations about what drugs to search for...
 
And it was generally taken as a given that a vaccination or "cure" for the common cold would be next to impossible due to the rapid mutations.
 
Well, guess what - it still is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 17, 2022, 02:12:57 PM
Good news everyone!  The Science has released his most recent encyclical complete with new revelations.

The Science sayeth now that the utterly ineffective measures ordered to prevent COVID from spreading are suddenly no longer necessary!  I'm sure that will comfort you all to hear.

Also - and this is going to blow your socks off - did you know that recovering from COVID might provide about as much protection (or not) as having had the vaccine?  This is an amazing new dogma which The Science (peace be unto him) has revealed to us.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2022, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: cordex on August 17, 2022, 02:12:57 PM
Good news everyone!  The Science has released his most recent encyclical complete with new revelations.

The Science sayeth now that the utterly ineffective measures ordered to prevent COVID from spreading are suddenly no longer necessary!  I'm sure that will comfort you all to hear.

Also - and this is going to blow your socks off - did you know that recovering from COVID might provide about as much protection (or not) as having had the vaccine?  This is an amazing new dogma which The Science (peace be unto him) has revealed to us.

Through most of the "crisis" I was watching one of the statistical sites. It was interesting to me to note that through the whole thing, Idaho, where everyone pretty much did whatever they want and everything was open, had close to the same per capita infection and death rate as locked down California.

That's not to say that it was a standard - very locked down states like Hawaii did better than Idaho, but other open states did better than Idaho and California. If someone wants to debate with me that a complete lockdown (like Australia) creates less infections and death, I will listen, because it probably does. The question is whether it's worth it or not. "Lockdowns" like California and New York, where you had things like senseless restaurant rules, and arresting lone people outdoors who were not near anyone or anything, did nothing. Well, except ruin the economy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on August 17, 2022, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: Ben on August 17, 2022, 02:40:56 PM
Through most of the "crisis" I was watching one of the statistical sites. It was interesting to me to note that through the whole thing, Idaho, where everyone pretty much did whatever they want and everything was open, had close to the same per capita infection and death rate as locked down California.

That's not to say that it was a standard - very locked down states like Hawaii did better than Idaho, but other open states did better than Idaho and California. If someone wants to debate with me that a complete lockdown (like Australia) creates less infections and death, I will listen, because it probably does. The question is whether it's worth it or not. "Lockdowns" like California and New York, where you had things like senseless restaurant rules, and arresting lone people outdoors who were not near anyone or anything, did nothing. Well, except ruin the economy.

1) I would expect infection rates to be proportional to the population densities.  All the stupid lockdown crap probably helped slow the spread somewhat but was not worth the cost; it wasn't /that/ effective.

2) Arresting lone people outdoors was just thuggishness, and perhaps was intended to ruin the economy; it was a Trump economy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 17, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
Essentially, what I saw were cherry-picked media statistics... "If it bleeds, it leads," and the numbers that they showed you were dripping.
 
By rarely looking at the large numbers - the overall population - they pushed how fatal it had been in small populations - populations which were already susceptible to "herd thinning" bugs.
 
And then... Then they started getting creative with the statistics. And I suspect that in some cases, such as in NY, they even worked to augment the numbers.
 
But hey... I'm not a PhD... I'm not a doctor. I'm just a guy with a B.A. in public relations who spent a decade helping in vetting numbers in the discovery labs of the world's largest pharma company, who was horrified at what he was seeing.
 
In the labs, I was pretty good at grokking statistics - I geek on patterns.
 
Around here? We have the hipsters devoutly masked. Middle-aged black people are wearing message masks or worse (Obama! or they're bedazzled...). Old folks, and anyone who watches too much TV are scared. Youts are putting masks on before they enter the store, and they're looking for cameras. And everyone else? We just keep going. No deaths attributed to (!) it since July 19. But it is still a Casedemic, since a sizable percentage of the people who have presented for testing (which is a skewed factor) are positive.
 
Anyone gonna tell me I'm not an idiot?
 
And... You know what I'm worried about? That a really nasty bug will get loose. And it'll be treated like people were TRAINED to treat this one - with theatre, and not much else.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 17, 2022, 09:27:12 PM
SWMBO got the coof.  Pretty bad for the not-yet-hospital trip illness version.  Older boy was probably the Typhoid Mary.  He got sick a couple days after getting back from an Alaska trip with his cross country team.  But he was barely sick for half a day.  Momma went down a few days later.  Figure if anyone else is going to get sick it should be in the next day or two.

Her and the 2 olders got both Pfizer jabs more than a year ago now.  I went with J&J.  2 youngers didn’t get jabbed.  No boosters.

Got some legit pharmaceutical ivermectin and azithromycin and zinc supplements.  I think those have helped enough that she can set-hydrate enough for now.  She is super reticent about going to the doctor when sick, but was saying she’d need iv fluids if that stuff didn’t work. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 17, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
I have covid right now, had a 103 fever and still at 100 3 days later. Got jj and Pfizer booster. Starting to think vaccines not only don't work, but it sure seems like vaxed people are the ones repeatedly getting it, like the vaccine actually made it worse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on August 18, 2022, 01:20:03 AM
Y'all that have it have my deepest sympathy!

PS: I was J&J jabbed and boosted as well.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 18, 2022, 07:45:25 AM
And fall flu season will be upon us shortly, with attendant headlines. Oh, and people still come in the store asking for free masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2022, 08:42:54 AM
Oh, on masks in my AO: Pretty much just medical services, but it's pretty variable. In the last two weeks:

02AUG: Doctor's office for pre-procedure consult. "Masks required" sign. Free masks available. I took a mask (I no longer carry masks in my vehicle) and put it on. Staff said, "Oh, I guess we should put our masks on too".

15AUG: Dentist. No signs, no available masks, no one was wearing masks except the dentist and tech (as they do regardless of covid).

16AUG: Hospital for medical procedure. Big signs everywhere in the lobby. I walk up to the registration desk, grab a mask, and as I'm getting ready to put it on, the lady at the desk asks if she can help me. I start telling her why I'm there, and she stops me and tells me to put my mask on before I talk to her. Okay lady. Maybe don't ask me questions until I put the mask on then. Geez.

16AUG addendum: I'm taken to the procedure room, where they start hooking me up to the machines and IV, and the nurse says, "Just take your mask off and be comfortable."  Okay then.

Oh, also - no medical people have ever asked me if I'm vaccinated (I'm not - natural immunity for the win!) since this all started. Even during my annual physical, where I was asked about flu and shingles shots, there was no talk of covid boosters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 18, 2022, 09:31:14 AM
My acupuncture office still requires masks.

Whatever.

Personally I think we're going to be seeing MASKUPFORCOVIDHEALTHYOURACISTBASTARD!!! signs for a LONG time.

Seren's veterinarian still won't let people in the office. They come out, take your pet in, and you wait in the parking lot. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 18, 2022, 09:54:05 AM
Quote from: zahc on August 17, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
I have covid right now, had a 103 fever and still at 100 3 days later. Got jj and Pfizer booster. Starting to think vaccines not only don't work, but it sure seems like vaxed people are the ones repeatedly getting it, like the vaccine actually made it worse.

Sorry to hear you picked it up, keep us updated zach.

My double vaxxed boosted 84 year old father got it and fought it off, hang in there buddy.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 18, 2022, 10:09:40 AM
SWMBO is recovering faster than expected probably because of the ivermectin.  Going to have to stop the azithromycin though as it’s making her digestive system revolt.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on August 18, 2022, 10:12:39 AM
My doctor actually prescribed ivermectin (18mg?) But since I was already on day 2 and didn't feel like driving to the pharmacy I haven't taken it. I will probably pick it up later so I have it for round 2 or when someone else gets it in the family.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 18, 2022, 11:35:16 AM
Quote from: zahc on August 17, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
I have covid right now, had a 103 fever and still at 100 3 days later. Got jj and Pfizer booster. Starting to think vaccines not only don't work, but it sure seems like vaxed people are the ones repeatedly getting it, like the vaccine actually made it worse.
I am hearing that comment quite a bit these days.  At the least, I think they over played the effectiveness a lot (lied would be a better description) and hid the fact that reactions/side effects are at a higher rate than most vaccines.

Caveat:  Before the vaccine, they were saying a portion of the population would be immune or just never get it.  I tend to think a lot of the unvaccinated falls in that category. 

That sad/frustrating part is industries still talking about labor shortages after they fired people who were not vaccinated. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 18, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 18, 2022, 11:35:16 AM
I am hearing that comment quite a bit these days.  At the least, I think they over played the effectiveness a lot (lied would be a better description) and hid the fact that reactions/side effects are at a higher rate than most vaccines.

Caveat:  Before the vaccine, they were saying a portion of the population would be immune or just never get it.  I tend to think a lot of the unvaccinated falls in that category. 

That sad/frustrating part is industries still talking about labor shortages after they fired people who were not vaccinated. 

I’ve had lots of vaccines over the years.  NONE were as bad for side effects as the Covid shot.  For that matter, other than the flu vaccine (which I’ve had maybe twice in 20+ years) I can’t recall ever having side effects beyond soreness at the injection site for a day at most.  Don’t recall any of my kids or my wife, or really anyone I know have any reactions at all beyond that except for flu and Covid shots.  Good friend nearly died and is permanently disabled from encephalitis due to a flu vaccine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 18, 2022, 11:35:16 AM

That sad/frustrating part is industries still talking about labor shortages after they fired people who were not vaccinated.

I recently read that the Coast Guard is losing a bunch of rescue swimmers because of the vaccination policy. I wonder if there will be a change in the military with the new guidelines. Though I guess it's too late for a lot of people.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 18, 2022, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: K Frame on August 18, 2022, 09:31:14 AM
Seren's veterinarian still won't let people in the office. They come out, take your pet in, and you wait in the parking lot.

There was a buzz through here that dogs could carry the 'vid...
 
And I haven't seen as many hipsters walking their rescue pit bulls...
 
Sigh... A bunch have strollers now tho...
 
Yeah. They procreate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 18, 2022, 09:01:00 PM
Regarding adverse effects...
 
Just after Shot #2, which was pretty much pressured by work, I had two old scars open one. One from the 1990s, and one from about 2014.
 
They both healed pretty fast.
 
The 2014, a spider bite, has reopened, and is slowly healing.
 
Same spot. Same DAMN spot. Same size of crater.
 
This *expletive deleted*it is weird.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 19, 2022, 01:29:31 AM
Bogie - maybe it's the egg the spider buried in your skin that is finally starting to grow.  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 20, 2022, 04:59:19 PM
Calling the police on a 4 year old for not wearing a mask.  :facepalm:
And it gets even weirder in the back and forth :facepalm:  :facepalm:

Watch: Police are called to handle a 4-year-old who wouldn’t wear a mask to kindergarten
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/20/watch-police-are-called-to-handle-a-4-year-old-who-wouldnt-wear-a-mask-to-kindergarten/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 20, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
My wife and I popped positive yesterday.  So far, it seems like a case of the flu: coughing, scratchy throat, mild fever, malaise and body pain.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on August 20, 2022, 06:30:58 PM
Yup, that's it. It was a 2 week drag for us but we are old and have health issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 26, 2022, 07:36:10 AM
The CDC is now admitting (while trying not to actually say so) that the boosters are ineffective:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/omicron-s-mutations-impaired-vaccine-effectiveness-cdc-says/ar-AA115Zc0

Basically, the boosters are always a generation or two behind whatever variant seems to be [au current in circulation.

Quote
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/omicron-s-mutations-impaired-vaccine-effectiveness-cdc-says/ar-AA115Zc0

I don't know what good rolling out a booster for Omicron BA.5 will do -- that's the variant that's whacking everyone today. I'm still getting over COVID-19, and I strongly suspect that the variant I had is either BA.4 or BA.5.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2022, 10:41:36 AM
Well, my friend Kay is still dead, after the autoimmune reaction that reared its ugly head after the fall 2021 booster.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 26, 2022, 11:11:06 AM
And Moderna is suing Pfizer and Biontech for patent infringement on mRNA technology.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/26/health/moderna-pfizer-mrna-patent-lawsuit/index.html

Should be interesting.

Are the boosters also mRNA technology, or are they conventional "hair of the dog" vaccines?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 26, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 26, 2022, 11:11:06 AM
Are the boosters also mRNA technology, or are they conventional "hair of the dog" vaccines?
mRNA is what they are saying to get for the Boosters unless you had a reaction to it already, then you can look at J&J for a booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html#footnote01
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 26, 2022, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: dogmush on August 26, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
mRNA is what they are saying to get for the Boosters unless you had a reaction to it already, then you can look at J&J for a booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html#footnote01

Unfortunately, my choice is either to get boosted, or not to get boosted. I get most of my health care through the VA hospital, and they're locked into Pfizer and Moderna.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on August 27, 2022, 06:36:46 AM
If you want. If you REALLY want... You can find the non-formulary shot.
 
Do you really think you need it?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 27, 2022, 07:57:13 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on August 26, 2022, 11:38:04 PM
Unfortunately, my choice is either to get boosted, or not to get boosted. I get most of my health care through the VA hospital, and they're locked into Pfizer and Moderna.
At least around here you can go to pretty much any pharmacy, walmart, or target and get the shot/booster for free.

When I got my booster I picked where I was going based on which shot they had. If you were interested in getting another shot, but wanted the J&J I'd be shocked if there wasn't a free one somewhere pretty close to your house.

I think the risk profile for the ba.5 that seems to be the thing now is lower than it was earlier.  Long or bad COVID vs vax side effects is just comparing two very low probability events. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2022, 08:58:00 AM
He should learn some Spanish and walk across the border.

Quote
Djokovic, the 2022 Wimbledon champion, will miss the U.S. Open over his refusal to get vaccinated.
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Biden has been widely criticized for continuing to allow illegal immigrants to be released into border towns while displaying symptoms of the coronavirus, and the number of migrants infected with the virus has surged almost 1,000% in some border sectors.

White House says unvaccinated migrants allowed in US and tennis player who isn’t are 'two different things’
https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-house-says-unvaccinated-migrants-allowed-tennis-player-who-isnt-are-two-different-things

"Two different things"
Yeah, one will be leaving in a few days, the other will be given dem voter cards and driven to polling stations
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 31, 2022, 11:16:25 AM
Link I posted in another thread
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/31/covid-us-life-expectancy
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on August 31, 2022, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-america-are-still-excessive/
Through the fog of data, so it goes, deaths from pneumonia and the flu fell during the COVID era, classified instead as COVID deaths. According to the hoax theory, the actual danger posed by COVID was greatly overstated, because deaths caused by COVID were overstated. But there is one thing that cannot be as easily obscured via errors in classification, and that is total deaths from all causes.

Referred to by statisticians and epidemiologists as “excess deaths,” this is a far less controversial data point. After all, it has an unambiguous essence: you are dead, or you are not dead. What may ail you or how you died is irrelevant. Since the COVID era began in 2020, using weekly reports issued by the CDC, I’ve been tracking total deaths in the United States. Using these same CDC reports, which go back to 2013, I’ve been comparing total deaths over the past 2.5 years to the averages based on the six years preceding 2020. The chart below clearly shows that something terrible has been happening and that it may not be over.
...
If you compare how many people died in America during the COVID era to how many people would normally have died based on six years of prior year CDC data on deaths from all causes, the excess deaths are 25 percent over normal. Twenty five percent. With the sole exception of the Spanish Flu pandemic a century ago, there has never been a die-off in the United States on this scale.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on August 31, 2022, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: DittoHead on August 31, 2022, 11:33:55 AM


25% wow, that's a big number.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2022, 12:43:09 PM
From Dittohead's link:

Quote from: https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-america-are-still-excessive/
By any standard, what has happened has been catastrophic for this country. We may never know how many of these excess deaths were from COVID, from deferred treatment for other ailments, from elevated numbers of people committing suicide, or from adverse reactions to the vaccines. But one thing must be understood unequivocally, and it ought to go without saying: This has been a tragedy on an epic scale and one from which we can only hope we have learned a great deal.

For starters, and while avoiding a socialist overreaction, we may begin keeping a closer eye on the pharmaceutical industry. The accomplishments of this industry must be acknowledged. Precision medicine is coming, and the days of many dread diseases are numbered. But that day will come sooner if Americans can root out the corruption in this industry, as well as in its supposed overseers.

It is important to recognize that not all players in the pharmaceutical industry are guilty of corruption, but some of the biggest have a sordid record indeed. They have hooked half the nation on anti-anxiety medications, they’ve pushed medication onto millions of children, they’ve pushed opiates out to masses of people, they’ve arguably oversold vaccines of all kinds, and they exercised far too much influence over the COVID response—including the shameful suppression of any experimental treatments or therapies they couldn’t control. Now some of them are pushing “gender confirmation” drugs, which transsexuals have to take for the rest of their lives. If that’s not enough, as we learned over the past few years, American pharmaceutical manufacturers have offshored production of many of our most essential drugs to China.

Meanwhile, it’s necessary to continue to investigate what has caused millions of excess deaths. But what is indisputable is this: In just over two years, over 1.5 million people are dead in America who in normal times would have been alive today. Even now, based on the most recent data available, deaths from all causes in America are still not quite 15 percent above normal.

A mass die-off is still happening in America and reportedly around the world as well, and we have no idea what’s coming next.

That would seem to be a relatively level-headed statement that should seem reasonable to most people.

So of course, there's zero chance our government will do what it suggests.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 31, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
If Zeihan is right excess worldwide deaths from Covid will barely be perceptible by the time another year or two has gone by and famine sets in for most of the developing world, and a good chunk of the developed world too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 01:10:05 PM
"and we have no idea what’s coming next."

Yeah, because before COVID we had 100% comprehension what was coming next.

WFT?  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2022, 02:15:28 PM
Pre COVID we had a pretty decent idea how yearly deaths would happen when looking at a nation sized population.  (see pretty pictures in the article)

Now we aren't sure if we are returning to that baseline next week, next year, or not at all.  That's all he was saying.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 01:10:05 PM
"and we have no idea what’s coming next."

Yeah, because before COVID we had 100% comprehension what was coming next.

WFT?  ;/
I am not sure what we knew.  What we were told was millions of deaths.  Maybe that happened over a couple years, but people responded as if it would happen in a month.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 04:50:50 PM
"Now we aren't sure if we are returning to that baseline next week, next year, or not at all.  That's all he was saying."

OK, that makes sense.

I read it as if he was sort of expecting an infestation of fire-breathing zombie plague ants...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 31, 2022, 04:57:57 PM
Quote from: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 04:50:50 PM
I read it as if he was sort of expecting an infestation of fire-breathing zombie plague ants...

What are you? Some kind of infestationoffirebreathingzombieplagueants-denier?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2022, 04:59:14 PM
Cause by climate change
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 31, 2022, 04:59:14 PM
Cause by climate change

Well, that goes without saying...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
And Trump  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2022, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 31, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
And Trump  :rofl:

Well duh!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 01, 2022, 08:43:26 PM
This has been stated before and I believe it may be correct.
Many people have opined that this corona virus was "modified" to make it more infectious and that it started in mainland China.
What is the single, biggest problem the Chinese have now??  Overpopulation !!  :O

Can you think of a better way to rid yourself of excess population?  ;/

The problem is that there haven't been enough Chinese fatalities - YET.  [popcorn]  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 01, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
And here... It killed the hell out of geezers, and SOME folks who where expensive...
 
Nowhere near all of 'em... I figure we're going to be seeing damn near every death in a nursing home listed as the 'Rona.
 
But they won't say anything about nursing homes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 03, 2022, 12:13:59 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 01, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
And here... It killed the hell out of geezers, and SOME folks who where expensive...
 
Nowhere near all of 'em... I figure we're going to be seeing damn near every death in a nursing home listed as the 'Rona.
 
But they won't say anything about nursing homes.

Of course not.  Most of those facilities are sucking at the teat of government "largess" and, like so many others, will do as they are told !!
And the "libs/dems/commucrats" want to reduce and eliminate all the "non-producing" people that they can and reduce the cost to the government.  Then, the funds that they save there can be "shifted" to all those boondoggle "social service programs" they keep pushing.  [barf]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 03, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
So, it is looking like that horse dewormer actually has efficacy around the 'vids...
 
Is anyone gonna apologize?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 03, 2022, 10:54:33 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 03, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
So, it is looking like that horse dewormer actually has efficacy around the 'vids...
 
Is anyone gonna apologize?

 :rofl:

More likely it'll be they were for it the whole time and it was those darn Rs and Trump that were against it. Think of all the people, POC the most, who died because they were blocking it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2022, 11:56:49 AM
On another note, over $1 billion in covid money went directly into the pockets of prisoners.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/09/03/sen-ted-cruz-shares-insane-report-about-who-received-more-than-1-billion-in-covid-19-stimulus-checks/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 05, 2022, 08:57:49 PM
Apparently covid hysteria is still a thing in places like NYC:

https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/09/05/this-is-a-thing-blue-check-md-uses-personal-co2-monitor-to-keep-an-eye-on-levels-in-public-spaces/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 05, 2022, 09:16:28 PM
Past couple of months, I think that St. Louis City (approx 300k population) has had two people die WITH the 'rona.
 
I'm officially FAR more worried about getting my ass shot by some thug wearing a covid mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 05, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 05, 2022, 08:57:49 PM
Apparently covid hysteria is still a thing in places like NYC:

https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/09/05/this-is-a-thing-blue-check-md-uses-personal-co2-monitor-to-keep-an-eye-on-levels-in-public-spaces/

Went to the VA hospital and they are still demanding masks.  Nice to know it's either comply or no medical care.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 06, 2022, 08:01:57 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 05, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
Went to the VA hospital and they are still demanding masks. Nice to know it's either comply or no medical care.

Now that they've seen how well that tactic works I wonder what will be the next target.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 08:32:18 AM
There are still the covid dancers, but there are fewer of them. Maybe they died off from it?
 
Be nice if some of them apologized.
 
Still seeing a LOT of businesses closing for good. Hired help doesn't want to get hired, or show up, and in restaurants, etc., especially the ones who cater to the trendy crowd, many have had to stay closed, or risk the ire of their customers. Who seem to think that the places can survive on a dozen to-go orders a day... Most places like McD's, Wendy's, etc., are running shorter hours, and many are still not open inside. They've trained the customers to use the drive-thru, and to wait 15-20 minutes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 06, 2022, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 08:32:18 AM
Most places like McD's, Wendy's, etc., are running shorter hours, and many are still not open inside. They've trained the customers to use the drive-thru, and to wait 15-20 minutes.
And pay more than what a decent sit-down meal cost two and a half years ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on September 06, 2022, 08:51:38 AM
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on September 05, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
Went to the VA hospital and they are still demanding masks.  Nice to know it's either comply or no medical care.

My orthopedic group is still requiring masks.  I've been in PT twice a week for the last month, and that's pretty much the only time I wear a mask anymore.  The Army sent out a semi-nasty email two weeks ago reminding everyone of the HPCON measures, but everyone seems to be ignoring it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 06, 2022, 09:15:00 AM
Here in Washington and Oregon, everyone is still required to wear masks in healthcare facilities by state law.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 06, 2022, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 06, 2022, 09:15:00 AM
Here in Washington and Oregon, everyone is still required to wear masks in healthcare facilities by state law.
For some reason I read this in Donnie Baker's voice, and I'll say it right to your face.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on September 06, 2022, 10:08:44 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 06, 2022, 09:15:00 AM
Here in Washington and Oregon, everyone is still required to wear masks in healthcare facilities by state law.

Same here in North Carolina.  Had to wear a mask visiting my FIL in his memory care facility, the hospital after he broke his hip, and still wearing one while he is in hospice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on September 06, 2022, 10:17:37 AM
2 friends are moving to Montana.  I’m seeing more attractions to that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on September 06, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
I wouldn’t ease up on the prep. We are one good coughing fit away from empty grocery stores and $8 gas. Especially if one party control ceases in November. Time for more emergency to keep everyone afraid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 06, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
Not to mention being one thumb drive away from Skynet!

 :angel:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: cordex on September 06, 2022, 08:36:28 AM
And pay more than what a decent sit-down meal cost two and a half years ago.

Actually, right now, from lunchtime experience, Mickey D's is cheaper than Wendy's, Burger King, and White Castle for equivalent amounts of chow... Haven't been to Taco Hell in a while.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on September 06, 2022, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 01:03:30 PM

Actually, right now, from lunchtime experience, Mickey D's is cheaper than Wendy's, Burger King, and White Castle for equivalent amounts of chow... Haven't been to Taco Hell in a while.
"equivalent" is not the word I would use, but I am sure it was a little cheaper.   =)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 06, 2022, 01:32:09 PM
Less than a year ago, chicken nuggets at Burger King were $1.50 for ten.  Then they were eight for $1.50 and that quickly went up to $2.  :mad: 

I used to buy them on the way home when we went to the dog park, and the dogs got most of them but I ate a few too plus I like their honey mustard sauce.  (10 is the right number, and I would pay $2 for that but I wouldn't pay $2.50)

Whoppers Jr. are still good, but they keep getting smaller and smaller.  Now they are basically sliders with lettuce and tomato.  But 2 of them and 2 small orders of fries is still a decent cheap meal if you have one the $3.99 coupons.  They don't send out nearly as many coupons as they used to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
Use the apps.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on September 06, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: Bogie on September 06, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
Use the apps.

No. Every time the prices go up I pull back. Stopped buying combos some while back. Big draw was $1 large unsweet tea because I would use the cup all day to refill with water and ice. Today it became $1.50 and they gave me a paper straw. So despite having no time to eat with two jobs I will see less McD and my health will thank me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on September 07, 2022, 01:34:32 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on September 06, 2022, 10:17:37 AM
2 friends are moving to Montana.  I’m seeing more attractions to that.

Does either plan to become a dental floss tycoon?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2022, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on September 07, 2022, 01:34:32 AM
Does either plan to become a dental floss tycoon?

Only if they avoid going to the train station.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on September 07, 2022, 09:48:25 AM
Any Zircon encrusted tweezers available for them? What about pygmy ponies?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Tuco on September 07, 2022, 09:55:24 AM
Yippee-i-o-tie-yayyyyy
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 07, 2022, 04:54:50 PM
I just saw one of the "covid dancers" Bogie is always going on about.  They were riding a bicycle on a city street, wearing a poorly-fitted surgical mask, and no helmet   :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on September 07, 2022, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on September 07, 2022, 04:54:50 PM
I just saw one of the "covid dancers" Bogie is always going on about.  They were riding a bicycle on a city street, wearing a poorly-fitted surgical mask, and no helmet   :rofl:

Amateur.  One who rides the bus regular wears an army helmet, several masks, goggles, face shield, plastic wrap over the helmet, hands gloved with wrists taped, pants cuffs taped. Bicycle has 2 baskets (one on handlebars, one on back) that have their contents all protected by plastic bags or plastic boxes. The baskets have wire lids that are secured with several locks each.  I assume that is so that no-one can get to his stuff and contaminate it.  Nice guy, though.  Pays his fare (and that's a minority of people on some routes) is polite, not talkative ,and generally disappears into the interior until he gets off.

I feel great sympathy for him.  I really do.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 07, 2022, 08:29:26 PM
Actually sounds pretty familiar...
 
I think that the best one overall was the guy who had a set of blue gloves on, with a pair of Jersey gloves over them, with a pair of welding gauntlets over those - and he had to take 'em all off in order to pay me. I'll see a mask (or several...) under safety glasses, under a face shield, with a hat on over the head (the 'Rona seems to target hair?).
 
The youts seem to stick to black masks or bandannas, with sunglasses, a baseball hat, with a hoodie with the hood up over that. Definitely not gonna be able to ID anyone for a warrant.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Bogie on September 07, 2022, 08:29:26 PM
I think that the best one overall was the guy who had a set of blue gloves on,

One is okay, but two by two is danger.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-o344MbcbAFE%2FUqVWY67Q1lI%2FAAAAAAAAAGU%2FUOdEQAkMIMY%2Fs1600%2FHandsblue.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
True or not I'm sure this will get trashed and buried by the admn

Quote
The research, funded in part by a grant from the National Institutes of Health, found that against the omicron variant of COVID-19, children in the study group ended up seeing negative — yes, negative — effectiveness some 20 weeks after being vaccinated after peaking between 60 and 70 percent effectiveness.

NIH-Funded Study Shows Pfizer Vaccine Led to Negative Immunity for Some Children
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/09/19/nih-study-shows-pfizer-vaccine-gave-kids-negative-immunity-n2613279
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2022, 05:19:50 PM
Propaganda works. Our society must be forever altered because of that one magic disease that should change everything forever. forever

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/09/19/so-trumpian-in-case-you-were-wondering-how-the-lockdown-mask-up-crowd-is-taking-biden-saying-the-pandemic-is-over-yikes/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 19, 2022, 06:51:13 PM
It's a matter of faith. Not statistics. Not SCIENCE.
 
I still have a lot of folks wearing masks, sometimes a lot more. Pretty even mix between hipster types, older black people who watch too much TV, and older white people who watch too much TV...
 
And then there's the bunch who probably have warrants, or who are planning on stealing something or scoping for a holdup.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on September 19, 2022, 07:44:18 PM
@Bogie: You should stock some absolutely worthless and cheap crap that is *Really Shiny* as bait and put it near the door so the tweakers steal that and leave the good stuff alone.  Put it behind a glass door or something (unlocked, of course) so it looks like you're trying to protect it and put a moderately-high price on it.

Yeah, I know you shouldn't have to play those games because people shouldn't steal your stuff.  But people suck; maybe you can limit the damage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 20, 2022, 01:14:44 PM
Oh... We do that... And they gravitate to it.
 
They're irritating.
 
Some SOB stole the cat from one of my trucks last night... So it is down until we can get another one welded on... Second time it has happened in the past year.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 23, 2022, 01:14:25 PM
"Inspector General Larry D. Turner, U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), announced that the Office of Inspector General’s (DOL-OIG) investigations have resulted in more than 1,000 individuals being charged with crimes involving Unemployment Insurance (UI) fraud since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020.1 The DOL-OIG also issued an Alert Memorandum identifying $45.6 billion in potentially fraudulent UI benefits paid to individuals with Social Security numbers: (1) filed in multiple states, (2) of deceased persons, (3) filed with suspicious email accounts, and (4) of federal prisoners," the Office of the Inspector General released this week.

45.6 billion
Yeah......

Scammers Stole an Insane Amount of Pandemic Unemployment Money
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/09/23/scammers-stole-an-insane-amount-of-pandemic-funding-n2613497
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 25, 2022, 07:44:09 AM
You know, for cold and flu season this year, I may ask my quack about a prescription for that horse dewormer stuff... Seems it may help now?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 25, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
Not sure if it's more of a Covid issue, or more of a Bidenomics thing, but the price of an oil change seems to have doubled. I'm glad we'll be back in our house, soon, where I can do my own.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on September 25, 2022, 06:39:59 PM
Stopped to pick up some milk & such on the way home tonight at the local grocery store.  DW asked how much the milk cost - I don't pay attention, we want/need it, put it in the basket - it's now $4.59 a gallon for local 2%.

Less than 2 years ago it was ~$2.50/gal.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2022, 06:44:20 PM
$1.49 for a gallon of 2% here up from $1.29
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on September 26, 2022, 07:20:32 AM
I've not bought actual milk in years. I buy half and half for my coffee. If I buy it at my local grocery store its $5.69 a half gallon.

If I go several miles up the road to WalMart, it's $3.89 a half gallon.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Boomhauer on September 26, 2022, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on September 25, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
Not sure if it's more of a Covid issue, or more of a Bidenomics thing, but the price of an oil change seems to have doubled. I'm glad we'll be back in our house, soon, where I can do my own.

Oil is way up, todays vehicles use more oil (my truck holds 8 quarts!), can’t find enough lube boobs to round off drain plugs and strip them out, and so on. COVID really threw a wrench in supply chains and labor force as well
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 30, 2022, 10:56:29 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/do-covid-19-vaccines-help-keep-you-from-going-bald/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR19-6gRmellzOdMsdQa3Hnq3St2kEfTXBj-yC01lClR_IJUzu6_IcIPe3A#Echobox=1664461435

A. For me, it is too fu*king late since I started losing my hair 40 years ago
B. For me, the vax does not regrow hair
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 30, 2022, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 30, 2022, 10:56:29 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/do-covid-19-vaccines-help-keep-you-from-going-bald/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR19-6gRmellzOdMsdQa3Hnq3St2kEfTXBj-yC01lClR_IJUzu6_IcIPe3A#Echobox=1664461435

A. For me, it is too fu*king late since I started losing my hair 40 years ago
B. For me, the vax does not regrow hair
C. Some people just read headlines before reposting.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on September 30, 2022, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: cordex on September 30, 2022, 11:12:03 AM
C. Some people just read headlines before reposting.

D. The joke, it went whoosing over your head.  No doubt covered by luxuriant hair not affected by Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on September 30, 2022, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on September 30, 2022, 11:45:48 AM
D. The joke, it went whoosing over your head.  No doubt covered by luxuriant hair not affected by Covid.
I guess you had to be there.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 18, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
Boston University - the new Wuhan:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boston-university-lethal-covid-strain-lab
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 18, 2022, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: Ben on October 18, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
Boston University - the new Wuhan:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boston-university-lethal-covid-strain-lab

I am glad there is absolutely no chance that virus can get loose from the lab and wreak havoc in the world.   ;/
Stupid scientists doing stupid gain-of-function things just because they can.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 20, 2022, 05:04:45 PM
Could someone who knows about the pharma industry comment on this? Is it YT BS?

Long story short according to the video a company that manufacturers a C19 vaccine bought another company that manufactures a drug for a rare condition that some are now connecting with the vaccine

Makes ya think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SInzIUXfV1s
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 20, 2022, 05:10:49 PM
People are connecting everything with the vaccine...
 
If one were prone to conspiracy theories, one would think that the vastness of this would be used to cover up the actual adverse effects...
 
And Aldi eggs are at $1.99/dozen, and they don't have any half'n'half...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 22, 2022, 09:25:52 PM
Observation: The Schnucks that all the whi... er... hipster folks go to is the one with the $4.00 eggs. Another one that isn't so worried about keeping up all those appearance things had $2.50 eggs (and $2.99 half'n'half) this evening, and I only got one Look of Death regarding my Ultra MAGA t-shirt.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 23, 2022, 05:17:25 PM
The Atlantic whines that wearing a mask is weird again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/10/americans-no-longer-wear-masks-covid/671797/

Good.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 23, 2022, 07:10:27 PM
Around here, the mask wearers are just as likely to also be wearing a man-bun and a pair of artisanal work boots with their skinny jeans as they ride a ride-share electric scooter to the vegan pizza joint...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2022, 07:18:05 PM
Around here the few I see masking anymore are either elderly people, which, good for them as they should be doing that for flu season anyway, or else people wearing REI style clothes and sandals.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 23, 2022, 07:22:07 PM
It's mostly about virtue signaling, and denigrating people who aren't following their lead.
 
I get confronted every so often.
 
I get horrorstricken... "You're not sick are you? If you'r sick that mask isn't going to protect me - look at how leaky it is! You need to go home and isolate if you're sick!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 23, 2022, 08:14:40 PM
Healthcare employees in Washington state still have to wear a mask at work.  It is the only place I wear a mask any more.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 23, 2022, 08:29:18 PM
The folks in my quack's office were making a big deal over the virtue masks...
 
"Have y'all ever seen a 4x size moon suit before? With an umbilical, not self-contained?"
 
"Uh... No..."
 
"I have."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 25, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
I think this article is correct about Trump's response to Covid, and what it did to his presidency, and to the country.

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2022/10/25/flashback-georgias-experience-in-human-sacrifice-n505490
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 25, 2022, 12:06:30 PM
Trump assumed, poorly, that the CDC had the "best and the brightest" minds regarding the bug.
 
The swamp creatures did what swamp creatures always do, and tried to grab even more power.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 25, 2022, 02:12:54 PM
 [popcorn]

Quote
NY State Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay, says the state violated rights, acted arbitrary & capricious, notes:“Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19.”

BIG –> NY State Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay, says state (ahem, Dems) violated rights
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/10/25/big-ny-state-supreme-court-reinstates-all-fired-unvaccinated-employees-orders-backpay-says-state-ahem-dems-violated-rights/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on October 25, 2022, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: WLJ on October 25, 2022, 02:12:54 PM
[popcorn]

BIG –> NY State Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay, says state (ahem, Dems) violated rights
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/10/25/big-ny-state-supreme-court-reinstates-all-fired-unvaccinated-employees-orders-backpay-says-state-ahem-dems-violated-rights/
I was wondering if stuff like that would start happening.  I didn't expect the Biden Admin to do anything, but this is different. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on October 26, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
New York City is adamantly refusing to follow the court order.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyc-workers-fired-vaccine-mandate-blast-city-refusal-follow-court-order-destroying-lives
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on October 26, 2022, 10:10:55 AM
Well this should get interesting
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 26, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
They made their ruling, now let's see them enforce it.

The principals actors making the calls to ignore it face no negative consequences and their lawyer friends stand to make serious money on the taxpayers dime defending the action.
Why the hell should they worry?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 26, 2022, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on October 26, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
They made their ruling, now let's see them enforce it.

The principals actors making the calls to ignore it face no negative consequences and their lawyer friends stand to make serious money on the taxpayers dime defending the action.
Why the hell should they worry?

Laws are for Trump supporters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on October 28, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483

Key Points

Question  Does ivermectin, 400 μg/kg, daily for 3 days, compared with placebo, shorten symptom duration among adult (≥30 years) outpatients in the US with symptomatic mild to moderate COVID-19?

Findings  In this double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial conducted in the US during a period of Delta and Omicron variant predominance, and that included 1591 adult outpatients with COVID-19, the posterior probability of improvement in time to recovery in those treated with ivermectin vs placebo had a hazard ratio of 1.07, with a posterior probability of benefit of .91. This did not meet the prespecified threshold of posterior probability greater than .95.

Meaning  These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on October 28, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
What gets me is that they keep trying to treat it like an antiviral, in already presented cases (where the symptoms actually are enough to show). Has anyone actually done a monitored prophylaxis study? Which is how some of  the early claims about the "drugs we can't talk about on facebook" came about.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on October 28, 2022, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on October 28, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483

Key Points

Question  Does ivermectin, 400 μg/kg, daily for 3 days, compared with placebo, shorten symptom duration among adult (≥30 years) outpatients in the US with symptomatic mild to moderate COVID-19?

Findings  In this double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial conducted in the US during a period of Delta and Omicron variant predominance, and that included 1591 adult outpatients with COVID-19, the posterior probability of improvement in time to recovery in those treated with ivermectin vs placebo had a hazard ratio of 1.07, with a posterior probability of benefit of .91. This did not meet the prespecified threshold of posterior probability greater than .95.

Meaning  These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19.

Seems like a pretty small dose of ivermectin.  That works out to about 33 milligrams once a day for three days for a 180 pound person.
Looking at typical dosages for other human usage, 33 mg is in the ballpark.  Not sure what to think about the study.  I'd wonder what dosages over what time periods the medical proponents of ivermectin were using when they were claiming to see positive results on Covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 06, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
JP hit the nail on the head again.

https://youtu.be/nYhq-N06ub0

*expletive deleted*ck these aholes. Covid hysteria and this new "amnesty" are the perfect example of the one side having the volume knob that we're all supposed to just accept, and our side having the switch (that we're really close to switching).

JP is probably right with "Forgive but don't forget", but it's really hard for me to forgive, considering these people wanted me dead.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 06, 2022, 05:48:45 PM
"but it's really hard for me to forgive, considering these people wanted me dead."

Dude, you're the main contestant in the APS Dead Pool!

My entry is "Steve goes feral and eats you from the toes up."

Someone else has "While telling uninvited hunters to get offa his lawn, he waves his fist too hard, hits himself in the head, and develops a subdural hematoma."

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 06, 2022, 07:27:40 PM
The great thing about the amnesty talk is that it means they can no longer hide the truth.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 14, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks underway
https://archive.ph/ZZo9K

Quote
Now, the first research in the U.S. is underway, tracking adverse health effects — if any — that may appear in the years following a diagnosis of vaccine-associated heart problems. Moderna has already launched two trials, the most recent in September. Pfizer confirmed that at least one of its trials, which will include up to 500 teens and young adults under age 21, is slated to begin in the next couple of months.

I would prefer to see the problems and total vaccine doses broken down by age group rather than comparing everything to total vaccines administered. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 14, 2022, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 14, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks underway
https://archive.ph/ZZo9K

I would prefer to see the problems and total vaccine doses broken down by age group rather than comparing everything to total vaccines administered.

These deplorable attacks on the Science must end.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2022, 05:35:09 PM
Things would be have been much better if we have had...well....
   
Quote
REP. JACKSON LEE: "Reparations for African-Americans could have cut COVID-19 transmission and infection rates both among blacks and the population at large." pic.twitter.com/GpgKBr2AHf

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 17, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/11/17/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-cites-study-that-reparations-could-have-cut-covid-transmission/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 17, 2022, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: WLJ on November 17, 2022, 05:35:09 PM
Things would be have been much better if we have had...well....
   https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/11/17/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-cites-study-that-reparations-could-have-cut-covid-transmission/


 :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on November 17, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on November 17, 2022, 06:30:05 PM

 :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

I was hoping it was that clip 🤣.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on November 20, 2022, 09:59:24 PM
DIED SUDDENLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4zW1rhWG1s

  video about  possible effects of CV1984 jabs and boosters - great trailer except for 2:03 to 2:05 - if you're squeamish /skip
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 21, 2022, 01:28:10 AM
My VA Head nurse for my Doc recommended I get no more Covid shots. I have the J&J + the J&J booster and intend to get no more. REAL vaccines, like flu and pneumonia, sure, just got both the 16th.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on November 21, 2022, 01:42:38 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on November 21, 2022, 02:13:41 AM
Quote from: 230RN on November 21, 2022, 01:42:38 AM
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CAT-6 got yer tongue?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 21, 2022, 08:03:28 AM
Given that a very dear friend died from an "autoimmune reaction" a year ago after getting the booster that she THOUGHT would let her finally get out of her house for the holidays...
 
She was mostly healthy, but watched too much television, and that was exacerbated during the lockdown...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2022, 10:58:53 AM
Wow - in its latest round of lockdowns due to "severe outbreaks", China has some people who have been confined to their homes for 100+ days. In the meantime, I guess it's a non-issue in the US. Lots of possible discussion points here from why a country with authoritarian lockdowns since the beginning is still overwhelmed, while the US, packed with rubes in flyover country who didn't do what they were told, seems to have covid in the background, to how and when our MSM makes stuff a big deal or not depending on their agenda.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/huge-covid-protests-erupt-chinas-xinjiang-after-deadly-fire-2022-11-26/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 27, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Here's your gaslighting for the day

Can you guess who he blames?

Guess who Dr. Fauci blames for China covering up where/how Covid originated https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/27/guess-who-dr-fauci-blames-for-china-covering-up-where-how-covid-originated/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 30, 2022, 01:49:42 PM
And... Today, Aldi's butter was about $4/pound, and eggs were at $2.85.
 
"Boy, $2.85! I sure do miss the 90 cent a dozen eggs from a little over two years ago! I wonder what happened?"
 
(oh, and I wore a red hat shopping...)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on November 30, 2022, 04:08:52 PM
Picked up a bag of pond fish food the other day.  I bought a 40# bag about a year ago for ~$14.  This bag cost $23.99.

Damn fish better appreciate it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on November 30, 2022, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: Bogie on November 30, 2022, 01:49:42 PM
And... Today, Aldi's butter was about $4/pound, and eggs were at $2.85.
 
"Boy, $2.85! I sure do miss the 90 cent a dozen eggs from a little over two years ago! I wonder what happened?"
 
(oh, and I wore a red hat shopping...)

Damn !
The Aldi's over here are charging $1.99 for eggs and Ruler's current ad has them down to $1.50 (from $1.99).
I just did some pricing today on juices.  The half gallon (64 oz) bottles of juices (at Aldi) like cranberry, cranberry/apple, & cranberry/grape are $2.29 but Ruler has those same flavors (as well as cranberry/raspberry) for $1.89.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 01, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
I just opened the Aldis online circular.

Holy *expletive deleted*ck. The ENTIRE goddamned page is wall to wall *expletive deleted*ing third-party advertisements with a small section in the center for the circular. It's insane.

And a significant portion of them are for some stupid free PDF viewer.

Wait. My bad. I picked up the weekly ad from a third party aggregator site, NOT Aldi's site.

Won't make that mistake again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 01, 2022, 09:01:03 AM
Quote from: K Frame on December 01, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
I just opened the Aldis online circular.

Holy *expletive deleted*ck. The ENTIRE goddamned page is wall to wall *expletive deleted*ing third-party advertisements with a small section in the center for the circular. It's insane.

And a significant portion of them are for some stupid free PDF viewer.

Wait. My bad. I picked up the weekly ad from a third party aggregator site, NOT Aldi's site.

Won't make that mistake again.

Enjoy the ransomware virus it just downloaded into your system  >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 01, 2022, 09:03:21 AM
Quote from: WLJ on December 01, 2022, 09:01:03 AM
Enjoy the ransomware virus it just downloaded into your system  >:D

I'm on a work computer. Had I downloaded a virus on my work computer my office would have sealed and jets of fire would have spouted from every surface.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 26, 2022, 10:58:53 AM
Wow - in its latest round of lockdowns due to "severe outbreaks", China has some people who have been confined to their homes for 100+ days. In the meantime, I guess it's a non-issue in the US. Lots of possible discussion points here from why a country with authoritarian lockdowns since the beginning is still overwhelmed, while the US, packed with rubes in flyover country who didn't do what they were told, seems to have covid in the background, to how and when our MSM makes stuff a big deal or not depending on their agenda.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/huge-covid-protests-erupt-chinas-xinjiang-after-deadly-fire-2022-11-26/
I got COVID a few weeks ago (first time).  Had chills one day so I figure I must have had a fever that day.  None the next day.  Sinus congestion lingered, but not sure if that was COVID or if COVID just made me vulnerable to something else.  Had to take a home test before going back to work and tested positive.  Anyway, for me it was not severe and I never had any breathing issues outside the sinus congestion.  Pretty sure my sense of smell is degraded, but I don't think it is gone.  I made biscuits last weekend and I could smell that.  I find I am not smelling bacon when I make that in the frying pan.  I turn on the vent fan in the bathroom out of habit, but not smelling that either.  Weird. 

I guess if I was in China, they would have locked me down and my entire neighborhood.  Would that accomplish anything?  No, but dictatorships don't have to make sense. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 01, 2022, 10:10:03 AM
My physical therapy provider just went optional mask free as of today.

Woo hoo.

I was, however, one of the few.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: grampster on December 01, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
BEWARE!! BEWARE!! BEWARE!!!   COVID, RSV, FLU....BEWARE!! [popcorn] :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 01, 2022, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: K Frame on December 01, 2022, 10:10:03 AM
My physical therapy provider just went optional mask free as of today.

Woo hoo.

I was, however, one of the few.

I had my annual check-up last week, no masks required for patients or providers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on December 01, 2022, 08:28:55 PM
The hospital & their clinics we go to have been mask free for at least the last 6 months.

Some folks still wear them, but the vast majority don't.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on December 04, 2022, 10:42:32 AM
The futility of masks.

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 04, 2022, 12:47:28 PM
Still required for all patients, visitors, and staff in Washington.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2022, 12:53:16 PM
I'm hoping to not be able to report on medical facilities in my AO until my next annual checkup in a few months. Interestingly, I think I have noticed an uptick in mask wearing in places like Costco and the grocery store compared to even a month ago.

I didn't pay close attention, but I think most of the mask wearers were elderly. Which, if anything good comes out of covid, it will be that sick people or very susceptible groups will wear masks in public during cold and flu season without a lot of stigma attached.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 04, 2022, 01:44:30 PM
Still required at my doctor's office, but the staff is very hit or miss with adhering to their own policy.  I had a staff member shove a mask at me last week, when she herself had a mask just dangling from one ear.  Other staff couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2022, 02:25:40 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 04, 2022, 01:44:30 PM
Still required at my doctor's office, but the staff is very hit or miss with adhering to their own policy.  I had a staff member shove a mask at me last week, when she herself had a mask just dangling from one ear.  Other staff couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.

That's what I was seeing a few months ago. At the hospital, they wouldn't even acknowledge me at reception until I put a mask on. After they wheeled me to the colonoscopy room, hardly any medical staff was wearing a mask. You'd think it would be the opposite if they were trying to stop the spread of something.

At the butt doctor's office, they had "mask or else!" signs plastered everywhere, but none of the staff were wearing masks.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2022, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 04, 2022, 12:47:28 PM
Still required for all patients, visitors, and staff in Washington.
Don’t feel bad, most public health policy relating to COVID has been hot garbage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 04, 2022, 09:05:10 PM
My wife had to have a failed hernia repair fixed in late Summer. Up front it was all "wear the mask". back in the outpatient surgery prep area the nurses and DRs  had a mask either under the chin or hanging off of one ear. It was kind of comical in a sad way.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 06, 2022, 11:50:25 AM
Viral: The Origin of Covid 19 | Matt Ridley  --  Jordan B Peterson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEh5JyZC218

Nearly two hours long.  Sounds good so far.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 06, 2022, 10:02:06 PM
The same bunch(es) are still holding with masks here in South City...
 
The Virtue Signalers are hard at it. Mostly the skinny jeans crowd.
 
People who watch a lot of TV - elderly and poor.
 
Folks with warrants or who are thinking about trying for one.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 12:30:53 AM
CDC quietly confirms at least 118k Children & Young Adults have ‘Died Suddenly’ in the USA since the roll-out of the COVID Vaccines
https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/12/cdc-quietly-confirms-at-least-118k-children-young-adults-have-died-suddenly-in-the-usa-since-the-roll-out-of-the-covid-vaccines/

All statistics, but might be interesting. 
Quote
Official figures quietly published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) confirm nearly half a million children and young adults have died ever since the Food & Drug Administration first granted emergency use authorisation to a Covid-19 vaccine in the USA.

This has sadly resulted in nearly 118,000 excess deaths compared to the 2015-2019 average.

The figures also reveal that there have been 7,680 more excess deaths among children and young adults in 2022 so far compared to the same time frame in 2020 at the height of the alleged Covid-19 pandemic.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 11, 2022, 05:29:01 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 12:30:53 AM
CDC quietly confirms at least 118k Children & Young Adults have ‘Died Suddenly’ in the USA since the roll-out of the COVID Vaccines
https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/12/cdc-quietly-confirms-at-least-118k-children-young-adults-have-died-suddenly-in-the-usa-since-the-roll-out-of-the-covid-vaccines/

All statistics, but might be interesting.

So, intentions aside, at what point does this count as a genocide?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 11, 2022, 11:11:28 AM
Died with the vaccine, or died from the vaccine?

Couldn't resist.

Also, not to be a debunker of propaganda, but that scary chart that the SGT Report made from data they "stumbled upon"? The one that shows excess deaths peaking between week 30 and week 40 of 2021, and then blames the COVID-19 "injection"?  You know what else peaked in Jul-Oct of 2021?  Yeah, COVID cases.  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklycases_totalcasesper100k_00

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that COVID is the plague, or that the vaccines were everything they were claimed to be.  I'll not defend any mandate, it always should have been a person's choice.  But if you are going to claim that half a miliion Americans died as a result of the vaccine, you are going to need some real data, not an infowars-lite that's hypothesis can be dunked on in 25 seconds of looking at a chart.  you will also need to do better than a #diedsuddenly trending post.  Low thought confirmation bias of stats and poor decision making is what got us into this mess.  Don't continue it.

Quote from: kgbsquirrel on December 11, 2022, 05:29:01 AM

So, intentions aside, at what point does this count as a genocide?


Unless you have some evidence that the vaccines are singling out a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group, never.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 11, 2022, 11:18:41 AM
Now now, Dogmush, you know better than this.

You ALWAYS question THEIR science, and basically reject it out of hand, but you NEVER question "our" science, and accept it as absolute gospel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2022, 12:35:51 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: dogmush on December 11, 2022, 11:11:28 AM
Died with the vaccine, or died from the vaccine?

Couldn't resist.

Also, not to be a debunker of propaganda, but that scary chart that the SGT Report made from data they "stumbled upon"? The one that shows excess deaths peaking between week 30 and week 40 of 2021, and then blames the COVID-19 "injection"?  You know what else peaked in Jul-Oct of 2021?  Yeah, COVID cases.  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklycases_totalcasesper100k_00

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that COVID is the plague, or that the vaccines were everything they were claimed to be.  I'll not defend any mandate, it always should have been a person's choice.  But if you are going to claim that half a miliion Americans died as a result of the vaccine, you are going to need some real data, not an infowars-lite that's hypothesis can be dunked on in 25 seconds of looking at a chart.  you will also need to do better than a #diedsuddenly trending post.  Low thought confirmation bias of stats and poor decision making is what got us into this mess.  Don't continue it.


Unless you have some evidence that the vaccines are singling out a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group, never.
Yep, just statistics at this point.  Not hard proof.  Like a lot of bits of information that have come out over the last two years, we will see. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Question for y'all:  I have occasionally heard a few people comment that "officials" or govt people mostly don't have their own families/children vaccinated.  I have seen any hard information on this.  Have any of you?  I just assume it is gossip/rumor without better information. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 11, 2022, 11:07:48 PM
"Autoimmune Reaction."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on December 11, 2022, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Question for y'all:  I have occasionally heard a few people comment that "officials" or govt people mostly don't have their own families/children vaccinated.  I have seen any hard information on this.  Have any of you?  I just assume it is gossip/rumor without better information.

How would anybody get accurate information about that one way or the other?  I'm pretty sure it would be protected health information rather than public health info.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 12, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
That is a good question.  I have just heard that more than a few times so I thought I would ask if anyone had seen something concrete. 

I figure if someone in power didn't want to take it, it would probably be easy to arrange a saline shot. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 12, 2022, 10:45:24 AM
St. Louis still has the data page up...
 
ZOMG! It's... Not huge...
 
I'm guessing that they've mostly run out of the low hanging fruit...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 13, 2022, 08:15:14 AM
Dr Malone has been de-censored on Twitter.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/vaccine-researcher-robert-malone-reinstated-twitter-after-being-banned-over-covid-misinformation-policy
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 13, 2022, 10:26:04 AM
Misinformation = "Not the official propaganda"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2022, 10:42:56 AM
Science!
Their out of their arse theory is that people who refuse to get the vaccine are more likely to ignore traffic laws and thus are 72% more likely to be involved in a serious accident.

Quote
If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.

Or at least those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.

They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea, though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.

The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.

And the cherry on top of this BS sundae

Quote
First responders may also consider taking precautions to protect themselves from COVID when responding to traffic crashes, the authors added, as it’s more likely that a driver is unvaccinated than vaccinated.

“The findings suggest that unvaccinated adults need to be careful indoors with other people and outside with surrounding traffic,” the authors concluded.
People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study
https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/

Proof that with a little "tweaking"  of the data then adding a large dose of your religiously held narrative you can make a "study" say anything you want.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DelayedObeseEyas-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2022, 10:59:34 AM
I guess this could have gone in a couple of different topics here:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/14/elon-musk-confirms-what-was-behind-his-prosecute-fauci-pronouns-tweet/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2022, 11:02:17 AM
In case you're wondering, "Fortune Well" is part of Fortune magazine.

https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 14, 2022, 11:18:27 AM
People who are driving are more likely to not be patients in a long-term care facility.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 14, 2022, 12:52:18 PM
That is outdated logic in the article.  Since the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting COVID or passing it on, the vaccination status of a potential EMT patient is meaningless.  There is a significant risk no matter who they are treating. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on December 14, 2022, 10:43:00 PM
What I heard about that "study" was that the unvaxxed are more likely to ignore "normal" safety precautions.  It's like the way so many people are driving shortly before dusk with no lights on their vehicles lit up.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 15, 2022, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Bogie on December 14, 2022, 11:18:27 AM
People who are driving are more likely to not be patients in a long-term care facility.

People who are driving are more likely to be involved in motor vehicle accidents than people who are not driving.

Most people drink water at some time in their lives. Most people die. Ergo: water causes death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on December 21, 2022, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: Ben on December 14, 2022, 11:02:17 AM
In case you're wondering, "Fortune Well" is part of Fortune magazine.

https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OvOxZD1bo
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zahc on December 21, 2022, 08:37:04 PM
So the numbers have been available for quite some time, but it's now becoming politically possible to admit that the vaccines are effective in the range of 50%. I define politically possible by what CNN publishes.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/health/vaccine-effectiveness-bivalent-boosters-cdc/index.html

I remember in the early pandemic, the Chinese and Russian vaccines were mocked for being only 60% effective compared to the "95%" of the mRNA vaccines. But now it's no longer misinformation that they are actually 50-60%. This makes you wonder, were the Chinese numbers actually more accurate, actually less fudged than the US numbers? Is it to the point where we actually trust Chinese medical data over western in some cases? Food for thought.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 21, 2022, 08:40:10 PM
Or were they more effective against the earlier strains?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2022, 10:59:17 AM
Quote from: dogmush on December 21, 2022, 08:40:10 PM
Or were they more effective against the earlier strains?
Did you read the article or something? :police:
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The authors of the new study say people should realize that the Covid-19 vaccines are no longer more than 90% protective against symptomatic infections, as they were when they were first introduced in 2020.

“Unfortunately, the 90% to 100% protection was what we saw during like pre-Delta time. And so with Delta, we saw it drop into the 70% range, and then for Omicron, we saw it drop even lower, to the 50% range.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 22, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
So here's an interesting data point:

The Surgeon General popped up on my twitter feed yesterday imploring people to get boosted for the holidays, which reminded me that I hadn't even been tracking the current CDC recommendations for COVID shots.  Unlike Bogie's AO, Tampa still has some folks voluntarily masking, but otherwise we're done with it. 

Anyways, CDC says that you should definitely get the new bivalent (? didn't know we had a new one) mRNA shot if you haven't gotten one yet, or if your last bivalent booster was more than 2 months ago.  I mentioned that to my liberal, RN, works at a very full hospital wife (Who did got the bivalent shot in Sep, apparently) looked at that and was like "No way am I getting a booster every 2 months. 6 Months MAYBE, Probably once a year."

When you've lost the liberal, female, healthcare workers, you've lost the population.

I told her that unless it was required of me, or the vaccine/COVID risk profile for my age and health changed drastically I didn't see myself getting another booster, and she agreed that made sense, which is another large shift in opinion.

I wonder how much that is regionally affected.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: lee n. field on December 22, 2022, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 11, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Question for y'all:  I have occasionally heard a few people comment that "officials" or govt people mostly don't have their own families/children vaccinated.  I have seen any hard information on this.  Have any of you?  I just assume it is gossip/rumor without better information.

"Or are they just getting a saline injection?"</paranoia>

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on December 22, 2022, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: lee n. field on December 22, 2022, 11:34:49 AM
"Or are they just getting a saline injection?"</paranoia>

Cynical me would say, "They might as well, if they believe they are getting the real thing it is probably just as effective."

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 22, 2022, 12:12:45 PM
As a general observation on plague politics, the Left was right about one thing: political science is more important than medical science. We think we're dunking on them when we accuse them of "following the political science; not the medical science." But they were right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on December 22, 2022, 12:22:23 PM
When my VA GP's nurse advises me that "You're good" at just having the J&J and it's booster, a WHILE back, buddy, I'm good!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2022, 08:02:42 AM
Meanwhile in China

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Experts today told MailOnline the capitulation has been caused by President Xi Jinping's government sticking with its zero Covid policy for so long after rolling out vaccines.

The hermit strategy left China's population with little to no natural immunity.

In contrast, countries in the West, including Britain, resorted to living with the virus, which now poses a milder threat thanks to immunity afforded by the vaccine and natural infections.  

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'Epidemiologist estimate >60% of [China] & 10% of Earth’s population likely infected over next 90 days. Deaths likely in the millions—plural. 

'This is just the start.'

Despite the suspected increase, China — which has repeatedly been accused of fiddling its numbers — reported no new Covid deaths yesterday and subtracted one death from its overall toll, lowering it to 5,241.

China faces 'thermonuclear' wave of Covid: Warning virus may kill up to ONE MILLION people as the sick overwhelm hospitals and dead bodies pile up outside morgues - after Beijing reversed its draconian restrictions
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11561611/Chinas-Covid-capitulation-draconian-hermit-strategy.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 23, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Sorry, but I've seen the videos of people collapsing in the streets already. China can do whatever it wants. We're gonna do us.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2022, 09:12:01 PM
So I had a couple of books that I wanted in dead tree, and one of them wasn't available in dead tree on Amazon, so I ordered both of them from Barnes and Noble with ship to store. I haven't been to a B&N in forever, and never to the one in Boise. It's in a part of Boise I've never been, but they have an REI and other yuppie stores in the area.

Anyway, in I go, and non-covid related, I thought brick and mortar bookstores were dying, but I had to do two laps around the large B&N dedicated parking lot to get a spot (maybe due to after Christmas). Covid related, I was shocked when I walked in. I haven't seen masks anywhere in these parts anymore other than maybe 1 in 20 people, even in some doctors offices. At the B&N? Fully 25% of the customers had them, and probably 80% of the staff. Since it wasn't 100% staff, I'm assuming there is no store policy, so this is just individual choice.

I thought I was in California in 2020 or something. This has to be cultural. I will say most of the customers and staff gave me the kind of vibe that, were it not for all the Winter clothing (that was definitely REI-ish) I would have thought I was back in Santa Barbara. This just must be a section of Boise that attracts all the Calido liberals, because it's way an outlier from anywhere else I go. I should have popped into the REI to see if they had the same masking going on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 30, 2022, 12:23:41 AM
Coupla of years ago I went to the REI store here to buy a pair of $200 boots. The person in the footwear section wouldn't wait on me. I was wearing a red hat that said "Make Christmas Great Again."
 
I bought 'em at Academy. Cheaper.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 30, 2022, 06:28:38 AM
I bipped into the REI in Tampa last week to buy some white gas for my camping trip. Not a mask in sight, employee or customer.

FL gatorpilled even the REI folks.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 30, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
Talk about an "I love me wall". Also, is he like 4' tall?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/30/ny-times-profile-on-dr-fauci-kicks-right-off-with-a-super-creepy-personal-detail/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 30, 2022, 10:39:27 AM
As is the norm with the left nowadays anyone who criticizes something they do is automatically "far right" aka "Fascist"

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Dr. Fauci seemed a little uncomfortable with people knowing about the pictures. He said that previously, when they were captured on camera, the “far right” attacked him as an “egomaniac.” If someone goes to the trouble of sending him a portrait of himself, he said, he would “feel like I’m disrespecting them” if he discarded it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 30, 2022, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 30, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
Talk about an "I love me wall". Also, is he like 4' tall?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/30/ny-times-profile-on-dr-fauci-kicks-right-off-with-a-super-creepy-personal-detail/

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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
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Follow
Replying to @elonmusk and @JerryDunleavy
Maybe he just loves looking at science?
:laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 31, 2022, 10:31:02 AM
Interesting change of direction by fed.gov.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/31/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-shows-how-the-covid-science-has-pivoted-on-2-fronts/

I guess it's no longer xenophobic to target by science/data/race/region. Can we do that again because Pelosi is out?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on December 31, 2022, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 31, 2022, 10:31:02 AM
Interesting change of direction by fed.gov.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/31/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-shows-how-the-covid-science-has-pivoted-on-2-fronts/

I guess it's no longer xenophobic to target by science/data/race/region. Can we do that again because Pelosi is out?

It makes one wonder just how far .gov is going to push covid restrictions this time.  Now that the mid-terms are over and the result wasn't nearly as bad as the Democrats feared, what will they be emboldened to do?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 02, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Message from Jill Biden

Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine Get Your COVID Vaccine

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    First Lady Jill Biden's New Year message to Americans: "Go get that COVID vaccine." pic.twitter.com/UO2AeF3yvZ

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 1, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/01/02/oh-honey-no-doctor-jill-bidens-ny-message-to-americans-just-pisses-everyone-off-watch/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 02, 2023, 10:32:23 PM
Bills/Bengals game suspended
One of the Bills players collapsed on the field and was being given CPR before being loaded into an ambulance

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended

Why am I posting this here you may ask?
Within minutes this guy had a YT video up where more than once he felt the need to tell us it's not vaccine related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G9mziXL9w
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 03, 2023, 09:15:50 AM
And just as surely we'll be soon hearing from a raft of mouth breathers telling us that Hamlin's medical emergency was ALL VACCINE RELATED!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 03, 2023, 09:25:19 AM
Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 03, 2023, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: K Frame on January 03, 2023, 09:15:50 AM
And just as surely we'll be soon hearing from a raft of mouth breathers telling us that Hamlin's medical emergency was ALL VACCINE RELATED!!!

Came across an article a couple of weeks ago that was trying to connect the recent increase in NFL injuries to the vaccine. Can't find it now.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 03, 2023, 10:21:38 AM
Hard to say with NFL players.  They take a boat load of supplements and stuff to beef up and get stronger.  I also heard in the past that some players take stuff to help hype them up for games.  I recall one player said he took caffeine tablets pre-game.  I don't know if that stuff can/will cause heart issues, but I imagine is adds some stress. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on January 03, 2023, 11:21:34 AM
The former paramedic here wonders if it was commotio cordis: a heart rhythm abnormality caused by an impact to the chest.  The classic example is of a kid who gets struck in the chest by a baseball or hockey puck. You can see it in adults after blunt trauma to the chest.  I saw a case once where an unrestrained driver struck the steering wheel with her chest during a collision.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 03, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on January 03, 2023, 11:21:34 AM
The former paramedic here wonders if it was commotio cordis: a heart rhythm abnormality caused by an impact to the chest.  The classic example is of a kid who gets struck in the chest by a baseball or hockey puck. You can see it in adults after blunt trauma to the chest.  I saw a case once where an unrestrained driver struck the steering wheel with her chest during a collision.

I was on the phone with a friend last night and we were talking about that possibility.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 18, 2023, 09:12:10 AM
Really interesting article showing a global view of COVID statistics.

It'll make our resident authoritarian defenders very happy, but also not so much.

https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/the-covid-fudge-factor

The long and short of it:
Lots of countries lied a bunch about COVID deaths.  The US actually did a pretty good job in our counts.
Authoritarian lockdowns (but only the most authoritarian lockdowns) were effective.  Half-assed lockdowns were the best of both worlds - ineffective and tyrannical!
Vaccination appears to have been quite effective, not at preventing spread but at preventing death.  I maintain that targeted vaccination of at-risk individuals instead of general vaccination would have been better, but whatever.
When authoritarian lockdowns ended, cases skyrocketed.  However the combination of weaker strains circulating at that point, and (untargeted) immunization of at-risk groups drastically reduced deaths.
Even the most effective and draconian policies applied in the US would have likely added only an average of 2 weeks of life per person.
Australians absolutely thrive on imprisonment.  It is their native habitat, and for their own good we should imprison the lot of them in perpetuity.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 18, 2023, 09:53:57 AM
I have heard at least one Australian on a livestream comment about the police in his state being a bunch of thugs.  I think all that changed a few opinions. 

The main questions I have are:
1.  Were the treatments used in the first 6 months or so effective or did they contribute to the problem?  I have heard suspicions that some of the drugs used either made breathing problems worse or caused other organ issues which led to deaths.  I heard at least one person wonder if some of the respirators worked properly, but I never saw anything about that. 
2.  There were some estimates of deaths due to practices in some states deliberately housing COVID patients with elderly folks.  I would like to see a better accounting of that.
3.  I also understand that flu deaths were very low which makes me wonder if that is due to better behavior/masks or if flu was there and got rolled up into the COVID numbers. Could the COVID testing have been inaccurate enough for the flu to trigger a positive result?  They were rolling out millions of COVID test kits in a very short time. 

I need to read that article and see what it addressed.  I heard someone else mention that 73% of COVID deaths happened after the roll out of the vaccine which might raise other questions for me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 18, 2023, 11:21:17 AM
The article doesn't focus in so carefully and mostly relies on excess deaths statistics.

Quote from: MechAg94 on January 18, 2023, 09:53:57 AM
I have heard at least one Australian on a livestream comment about the police in his state being a bunch of thugs.  I think all that changed a few opinions. 
Sure, and I know some Australian expats currently living here who visited Australia during the lockdowns and are livid at the direction their home country went.  The reason I said that was this section of the article:
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Were there really fewer non-Covid deaths than normal in Australia/NZ, during lockdowns?
I dug into this. Australia has a great mortality statistics site, which shows that almost every major cause of death fell by 5% or more during the pandemic.

Age-adjusted deaths from heart attacks fell 9%, and deaths from respiratory diseases broadly fell 18%, making a big impact. Suicides fell 6%, driving deaths fell 10%, assault deaths fell 10%, drug deaths fell 4%.

The only significant non-Covid category that rose: Alcohol deaths, up 8%.

It is possible that unintended consequences will cause future rises in deaths. Perhaps heart attacks fell due to people engaging in less strenuous activity during lockdown, but sedentary behavior could lead to worse health in the long run. There is some concern that effects like that are being seen in the UK now, but so far it is not very significant, and could be due to Covid itself having harmed health. We’ll need to wait for more data to be sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 18, 2023, 01:40:12 PM
Those are interesting statistics.  Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on January 18, 2023, 07:21:47 PM
Fly320s to the white courtesy phone ...

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/cause-for-grave-concern-faa-tacitly-admits-that-pilot-ekgs-are-no-longer-normal/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: 230RN on January 18, 2023, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: RocketMan on December 31, 2022, 10:44:17 AM
It makes one wonder just how far .gov is going to push covid restrictions this time.  Now that the mid-terms are over and the result wasn't nearly as bad as the Democrats feared, what will they be emboldened to do?

Makes you wonder... I'm expecting all kinds of crap (not just re firearms) from Colorado's Politburo.  You elect them as lawmakers, and son of a gun, they feel compelled to make laws, supposedly for the health, benefit, and welfare of the people of Colorado.

Trouble is, it's too easy to compress their ideas of Utopia into that restriction, and they seem to think that winning an election makes Colorado a monarchy.

And "people" means every living soul, even illegal aliens.  (Oh, sorry, they're properly called "migrants" nowadays.)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2023, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: 230RN on January 18, 2023, 07:57:53 PM

And "people" means every living soul, even illegal aliens.  (Oh, sorry, they're properly called "migrants" nowadays.)

Voters
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 18, 2023, 08:22:03 PM
Quote from: bedlamite on January 18, 2023, 07:21:47 PM
Fly320s to the white courtesy phone ...

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/cause-for-grave-concern-faa-tacitly-admits-that-pilot-ekgs-are-no-longer-normal/
There was a post I saw a few days ago talking about WEF elites looking for unvaccinated pilots to fly their private jets.  There was no reason given for it but the assumption was something negative about the vaccine.  The links were not at all mainstream so I didn't know what to think of it.  Not sure if it was related to this.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 10:42:23 AM
I discovered an interesting waste of tax dollars this morning. Back when USPS was shipping out free covid tests, I signed up for them, just because after having the OG covid*, I wanted to see if I would get it again and what the severity would be. The few times I've had sniffles or other signs of a cold/flu/covid coming on, I've used the tests and come up negative.

This morning, I woke up with a cough and sniffles, which usually means the onset of a cold, but again I took a covid test. Negative. Anyway, it had been a while since the last time I did it, so I got curious if the USPS tests can pick up current covid variants. Apparently they can, but the tangent was to check the expiration date on your kit, as that is somewhat critical. All mine expired in July, 2022. So if the interwebz medical sites are to be believed, and given when the USPS was sending those kits out, all of them are well past the expiration date now. I had eight boxes (two tests per box). If a bunch of other people all ordered the max, I wonder how many millions were spent on kits that are now well past expiration and potentially worthless?

EDIT: I don't know how much the tests cost the gov, but they sell the exact same one on Amazon for 18 ducats per box.


*Interestingly, the OG (pre-vaccine) covid somewhat gave me superpowers. While it screwed up my olfactory senses, since I have had it, I rarely feel sick. I used to, like clockwork, get sick with a cold or whatever once or twice a year, and it would always knock me on my ass for 3-5 days, guaranteed. Since the covid, I have not gotten sick. I've had the start of cold symptoms - sore throat, sniffles, etc., but I just take an Airborne/Emergen-C cocktail for the B & C vitamins, and the next morning am back to normal. More of a short irritation than an illness. Maybe this will be beneficial when the zombie apocalypse virus hits.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on January 22, 2023, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 22, 2023, 10:42:23 AM
Interestingly, the OG (pre-vaccine) covid somewhat gave me superpowers. While it screwed up my olfactory senses, since I have had it, I rarely feel sick. I used to, like clockwork, get sick with a cold or whatever once or twice a year, and it would always knock me on my ass for 3-5 days, guaranteed. Since the covid, I have not gotten sick. I've had the start of cold symptoms - sore throat, sniffles, etc., but I just take an Airborne/Emergen-C cocktail for the B & C vitamins, and the next morning am back to normal. More of a short irritation than an illness. Maybe this will be beneficial when the zombie apocalypse virus hits.  :laugh:

I had pretty much the same experience.  Instead of the normal one or two colds a year, it was eighteen months before I had another case of the sniffles post-Covid.  We never asked for any Covid tests, so I was not able to test whether or not that cold at eighteen months was Covid or just a cold.  The symptoms pretty much lined up with the Covid variant that was going around at the time, but so do a lot of cold symptoms.  No real way to know what it was.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 22, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
I’ve had pretty minor colds since I had covid, but I’m not sure if that is more due to people being better about handling minor illness or something else.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 22, 2023, 09:52:27 PM
I had "mild crud" this year after doing a couple of toddler-rich Christmas parties... But nothing like back when I was doing the mall thing - I'd usually get bad gleep right at the very end (a day or so before Christmas), and crawl home and gackhhh until the middle of January.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 22, 2023, 10:19:44 PM
Neither Wifey (that's her name) nor I have had Covid that we know of.  She's vaxxed (Moderna) and boostered.  I'm vaxxed (Pfizer) but will not get the boosters; we both have had the flu shot.  She and I and my brother in Texas are the only ones I know that haven't had it.  My mom was diagnosed with covid but we think that was a misdiagnosis.  (they get a bounty for finding covid cases, right?)  So I'm not sure if Mom has had it or not.  We asked about getting an antibody test to find out but the hospital refused to do that -- they didn't want to know.  Probably didn't want to possibly expose a misdiagnosis even tho' they weren't the ones that did it.  Anyway...

Wifey had a cold last week but is pretty much over it, and I didn't catch it from her.  I've only had one cold since Covid started; colds usually knock me on my ass with some kind of post-respiratory-virus asthma that turns into bronchitis and sometimes a mild pneumonia.  And I cough for 3 months.  But the cold I had last year only lasted about 3 days with no lingering after-effects.  I've been amazingly healthy for the past 3 years except for getting so fat being cooped up in the house so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 23, 2023, 10:26:43 AM
I know these is fightin' words, but...
 
Everyone has probably already had it...
 
Because, gee, in MOST "cases," you have to take a test to know if you've got it. Your immune system just beats the hell out of it.
 
And then someone at work will say "but if you catch it,  you're going to be hospitalized!"
 
But then, moments later, they start talking about asymptomatic transmission...
 
They oughta call it the Low Information Plague...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 23, 2023, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: Bogie on January 23, 2023, 10:26:43 AM
I know these is fightin' words, but...
 
Everyone has probably already had it...
 
Because, gee, in MOST "cases," you have to take a test to know if you've got it. Your immune system just beats the hell out of it.
 
And then someone at work will say "but if you catch it,  you're going to be hospitalized!"
 
But then, moments later, they start talking about asymptomatic transmission...
 
They oughta call it the Low Information Plague...

I agree with you.  Still, as far as I know I haven't had it.  If I could get a free antibody test to see what my immune level is I'd probably take it. 
I think "asymptomatic transmission" is mainly from people who don't yet show symptoms but will in a few days, but it's hard to get any real data or even definitions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Fly320s on January 23, 2023, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: bedlamite on January 18, 2023, 07:21:47 PM
Fly320s to the white courtesy phone ...

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/cause-for-grave-concern-faa-tacitly-admits-that-pilot-ekgs-are-no-longer-normal/

First I've heard of it.  I'll go look for other sources.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 23, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on January 23, 2023, 10:32:47 AM
I agree with you.  Still, as far as I know I haven't had it.  If I could get a free antibody test to see what my immune level is I'd probably take it. 
I think "asymptomatic transmission" is mainly from people who don't yet show symptoms but will in a few days, but it's hard to get any real data or even definitions.
Or maybe people like me that had relatively mild symptoms.  If I hadn't actually done an at-home test, I would have thought it was just a one day flu or food poisoning (ate at a new place before I felt bad).  Bigger hit for me is it seemed to open the door for other stuff to bother me over the next week or two. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 23, 2023, 11:26:31 PM
Well, I shot my mouth off about hardly getting sick at all for the past several years, now today I have a headache and chills and a bit of a cough.  I took a couple of Advil (generic) a couple of hours ago and that's helped quite a bit.  My symptoms are totally different from what wife had last week, but it's probably the same thing anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 24, 2023, 07:03:56 AM
Thought I was coming down with something on Saturday. Headache, scratchy throat, sour stomach, the trots...

Got a good night's sleep and on Sunday felt a lot better.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 24, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on January 23, 2023, 11:26:31 PM
Well, I shot my mouth off about hardly getting sick at all for the past several years, now today I have a headache and chills and a bit of a cough.  I took a couple of Advil (generic) a couple of hours ago and that's helped quite a bit.  My symptoms are totally different from what wife had last week, but it's probably the same thing anyway.

Ha ha - that's funny, because me too. Instead of going away Sunday night, it got worse on Monday and I'm still under the weather today, though feeling like I'm over the hump. It's still not as bad as my pre-covid colds were, but it was enough to keep me in the house all day yesterday. Congestion and a cough, but not the severe sore throat that I usually get with a cold.

I'm actually getting that "tired" symptom that I had so bad with the covid. Not nearly as bad - when I had the covid I could barely make it from one room to the next without needing a nap - but I was definitely lazy yesterday. I tried a couple more of the expired USPS covid tests I have, and they still came up negative.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 24, 2023, 12:28:58 PM
Oh, and... We had a store manager for about six months who got transferred to our store from a really boring store in the 'burbs. Less than a million in sales, to well over two million...
 
And at least once a week, I'd get a phone call at about 0530...
 
"I think mah baaaaybeee's got the covids! She's coughing, and I have to take her to the doctor, so she won't DIE!"
 
Well, the overtime was decent, but that *expletive deleted*it got VERY old.
 
He no longer works for the company, and from what I understand, the kid is still among the living.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 27, 2023, 10:26:34 PM
Not sure if anyone posted the Project Veritas video about Pfizer.  An executive on video talking about mutating COVID to make vaccines for the new version.  More gain of function research? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxOYZ2B5O2M

Project Veritas exposes Pfizer exec discussing “mutating” COVID-19 virus for new vaccines
https://rumble.com/v2754pg-project-veritas-exposes-pfizer-exec-discussing-mutating-covid-19-virus-for-.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on January 27, 2023, 10:58:20 PM
Today I was doing something I don't even remember what, but it occurred to me "why don't I smell this?". I went to the fridge and got a jar of pickles and took a big whiff. No smell. (That was the test I took early in the week to make sure it wasn't covid. I could smell the vinegar and spices even tho I was congested)  Apparently that symptom waited until the disease was almost over to appear.  I took one of those expired .gov covid tests a half hour ago and it came back positive.  Not just a little positive, the second line on the test strip was nice and bright.

The expired test kit might not be reliable, but I also have the pickle jar test to confirm it.  Oddly, my sense of taste is still fine; or at least as good as it can be when you nose isn't working right.

I've been half-assed quarantining all week (as one should when one has a cold), going out as little as possible and wearing a N95 mask when I do, but I guess now I'll be doing that until next Thursday.  And I won't be going to church this Sunday even with a mask. (and I had a lot of responsibilities this week)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 27, 2023, 11:45:49 PM
Be a little cautious if you decided to get vaxxed.

FDA Says Getting Pfizer & Flu Shot On Same Day Could Increase Stroke Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevTbwSsYNQ

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 28, 2023, 01:27:33 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 27, 2023, 11:45:49 PM
Be a little cautious if you decided to get vaxxed.

FDA Says Getting Pfizer & Flu Shot On Same Day Could Increase Stroke Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevTbwSsYNQ

And they have billboards up here in St. Louis pushing that combo.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 28, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
Pfizer Denies Conducting COVID Gain-Of-Function Research In Delayed Response To Veritas Video
https://www.dailywire.com/news/pfizer-denies-conducting-covid-gain-of-function-research-in-delayed-response-to-veritas-video

Quote
Pfizer’s statement goes on to describe the research it acknowledges conducting.

“Working with collaborators, we have conducted research where the original SARS-CoV-2 virus has been used to express the spike protein from new variants of concern,” the Pfizer statement read. “This work is undertaken once a new variant of concern has been identified by public health authorities. This research provides a way for us to rapidly assess the ability of an existing vaccine to induce antibodies that neutralize a newly identified variant of concern. We then make this data available through peer reviewed scientific journals and use it as one of the steps to determine whether a vaccine update is required.”

Pfizer said the research usually involves only computer simulations, but added that, “in a limited number of cases when a full virus does not contain any known gain of function mutations, such virus may be engineered to enable the assessment of antiviral activity in cells.”

Critics accused Pfizer of dissembling and said that what the company acknowledged in its statement is effectively gain-of-function research.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 02, 2023, 07:17:09 PM
Part two of the interview started abovie

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1621296377446686725?s=20&t=KsJMW2SLqdor9h1BTNRP4w


I won't spoil it, but I will say I saw #pfertility trending on Twitter earlier.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 02, 2023, 10:05:17 PM
Beyond the immediate, that list of stuff they are working on is potentially scary.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 02, 2023, 11:19:03 PM
Pfizer Director Concerned Over Women's Reproductive Health After COVID-19 Vaccinations
https://rumble.com/v284pgu-pfizer-director-concerned-over-womens-reproductive-heath-after-covid-19-vac.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on February 03, 2023, 01:53:53 PM
Not vaxxed,
not boosted,
and no colds.  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 03, 2023, 02:18:20 PM
File under For What It’s Worth:

It’s been a while since I checked in on my county’s Wuhan virus stats. I took a look today, and it appears season 3 was a real bust. In the fall of 2020, we were having hundreds of new infections every day – usually more than 500, sometimes over a thousand. The numbers went down, of course, but a year later we were getting thousands of new cases every day. Fast forward to the present; it’s only February, so it’s not too late to still have a winter of severe illness and death. That said, the peaks of this past season’s wave barely reached the troughs of fall 2020.

If the ratings don’t improve, the network may have to cancel.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on February 03, 2023, 02:23:09 PM
My sense of smell is starting to come back already, although I know it might be weeks or months before it's back to normal.  I went to the grocery store yesterday to buy some loss leaders that were marked way down (of course they were out) and there was a barbecue trailer parked outside the entrance.  I could smell the ribs they were cooking.  It was faint, but it was there.  So glad it was something pleasant, not a dog fart or a skunk or rotten garbage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 03, 2023, 03:15:55 PM
My understanding is it's cancelled in May. The writers have a couple months to tie up any loose plot points.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on February 04, 2023, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: dogmush on February 03, 2023, 03:15:55 PM
My understanding is it's cancelled in May.

Didja check the Supreme Court calendar?   >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 04, 2023, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on February 04, 2023, 01:41:05 PM
Didja check the Supreme Court calendar?   >:D
Are you talking about the SC releasing decisions or is there something else you just want to hint about?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 04, 2023, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 04, 2023, 03:06:45 PM
Are you talking about the SC releasing decisions or is there something else you just want to hint about?
I think he was referencing Biden’s “you can have my covid emergency when the Supreme Court takes it from my cold, dead, who are you again?” comment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on February 06, 2023, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: cordex on February 04, 2023, 03:10:47 PM
I think he was referencing Biden’s “you can have my covid emergency when the Supreme Court takes it from my cold, dead, who are you again?” comment.

Cordex got it.   :rofl:

Terry'd to add (in case anyone else missed it): 
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-supreme-court-end-covid-110506060.html (https://news.yahoo.com/biden-supreme-court-end-covid-110506060.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 06, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
Thanks.  I had not see that story. 

Quote
President Biden on Jan. 31 said his administration extended the covid emergency to May to “make sure we get everything done.”
Get what done?  I am sure it is all for our benefit and above board.    =(
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 06, 2023, 05:14:46 PM
Quote
Quote
The first three months of fiscal 2023 saw a drop in routine pediatric vaccination levels from 64.5% a year ago to 59.2%, a five-point drop. The rates were “negatively impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic among other factors,” as the report blandly puts it.
But what we’re seeing now, particularly in New York City, seems to be something different. As the linked editorial points out, despite continued protestations by health officials, the government got a great number of things wrong at the outset of the pandemic. And even after further research proved them wrong, they lied about many things repeatedly. This issue goes far beyond just vaccines to include policies regarding masking, social distancing, and the safety or efficacy of lockdowns.

In short, as the Post puts it, public health officials have “completely wrecked” their credibility on medical issues in general and vaccines in particular. At this point, if the government is attempting to force people to have any sort of medical procedure, particularly when it comes to children, there is obviously going to be some increased pushback being observed.

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/02/06/nyc-child-vaccination-rates-for-all-vaccines-have-plummeted-n528677
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 06, 2023, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 06, 2023, 05:14:46 PM
But what we’re seeing now, particularly in New York City, seems to be something different. As the linked editorial points out, despite continued protestations by health officials, the government got a great number of things wrong at the outset of the pandemic. And even after further research proved them wrong, they lied about many things repeatedly. This issue goes far beyond just vaccines to include policies regarding masking, social distancing, and the safety or efficacy of lockdowns.

In short, as the Post puts it, public health officials have “completely wrecked” their credibility on medical issues in general and vaccines in particular. At this point, if the government is attempting to force people to have any sort of medical procedure, particularly when it comes to children, there is obviously going to be some increased pushback being observed.


https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/02/06/nyc-child-vaccination-rates-for-all-vaccines-have-plummeted-n528677

It's the perfect time to let millions of people of unknow health into the country. Perfect storm. Our enemies might not need to fire a shot.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on February 07, 2023, 04:02:08 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 06, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
Thanks.  I had not see that story. 

Did you also note his umbrella grab?   =D


Quote from: MechAg94 on February 06, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
Get what done?  I am sure it is all for our benefit and above board.    =(

Of course it is!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2023, 05:46:18 PM
Took some food and flu medicine Saturday to my daughter who has COVID and now I'm starting to feel like I'm coming down with something.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 07, 2023, 10:33:21 PM
Just checked the St. Louis City covid page...
 
19 deaths attributed to the bug in the past three months.
 
I'm MUCH more worried about lead poisoning.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on February 07, 2023, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 07, 2023, 10:33:21 PM
Just checked the St. Louis City covid page...
 
19 deaths attributed to the bug in the past three months.
 
I'm MUCH more worried about lead poisoning.

I mean, yea, it's St. Louis.  Put two zeros after it, and I'd still be more worried about lead poisoning  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 10, 2023, 06:53:00 AM
Hospitals, etc., are still masking like someone owns stock in the mask companies... I had to visit someone at Barnes, probably one of the largest in the country, yesterday. It was basically a day-long exercise.
 
Actually saw lots of chin masks. Quite a few improperly worn. But hey... People are tired of the covid theater...
 
But I got to thinking.
 
Back when I was doing the Synergicare thing, I saw that hospitals, etc., track the heck out of nosocomial infections.
 
One would think that if masking lowered hospital-borne bug transfer, someone would have been crowing about it. You know, like how there was a huge uproar about how concealed carry increased... it does increase, right? Right? You know, all those high-noon Dodge City shootings in the street and blood in the gutters? Oh... Nevermind...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 10, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
While I won’t be surprised if ER’s, urgent cares, etc continue to mask forever just to cut down on transmission of any respiratory illness, other settings like my neurologist, the chiropractor, etc should be released from the requirement to mask.  For the most part people with respiratory illnesses don’t go to such places anyway until they’ve recovered.  So the risk really is no different than (and probably lower than) the grocery store.

When I was in the hospital for DBS surgery I was maskless for most of the time.  Some of it I had to be.  Hard for the anesthesiologist to do their job if I’m masked.  But when I was in my ICU room I basically didn’t wear it.  Until they were ready to wheel me out for discharge nobody cared much. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on February 10, 2023, 07:05:20 PM

We've been to 4 different hospitals/clinics in the last week or so.  Each one of them has a large sign stating masks are required.

Less than 50% of the employees wore a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 10, 2023, 07:18:49 PM
We went through a few months where local hospitals weren’t requiring them, but that passed pretty quickly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 14, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
This just in: Cochrane analysis of masks and handwashing on respiratory viruses:

https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full

There are some limitations to the study as discussed, but the findings summary is

Key messages
We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.

Hand hygiene programmes may help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 15, 2023, 10:17:51 AM
How do these studies compare to the studies that drove mandatory masking?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 17, 2023, 09:00:53 AM
The Navy has lifted Covid vaccine mandates. I've been seeing quite a bit regarding the military relaxing or eliminating the mandate depending on circumstances. I'm curious if military members that were kicked out during the mandate will have any recourse at this point?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-navy-lifts-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-sailor-deployment_5064741.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 18, 2023, 07:57:44 AM
It wasn't the Navy, it was the whole DOD. Memo came out a while back that it was no longer mandated,  and to immediately stop work on any separation packets or exemption requests related to the vaccine mandate. Additionally if there was any memorandum of reprimand  that was solely related to the vaccine refusal, it is supposed to be removed from the service members file.

As far as the folks that were actually separated and are now civilians it's going to depend on how exactly they were put out and other details (like their age, medical status, and MOS strength, among others) if they can get back in. My understanding is that the official reason for separation was failing to follow a lawful order, which normally comes with a bar to reenlistment. If that is the case they'd need to request getting that removed from their 214 first.  I haven't seen an offical policy on any of that yet.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 18, 2023, 09:13:38 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/natural-immunity-as-good-as-or-better-than-covid-19-vaccination-study_5065322.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 19, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
NBC news as well. 

Immunity acquired from a Covid infection is as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death, study finds
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027

Another example of the news saying something that would get you banned off social media not too long ago.  How many studies showed the opposite?

The last 2 or 3 years have been a big lesson in how much we should trust the Govt....especially when they are in bed with big corporations.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2023, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 19, 2023, 10:27:43 AM

The last 2 or 3 years have been a big lesson in how much trust the Govt deserves.

Indeed. Lives and reputations were destroyed for people stating "no duh" facts like natural immunity is a thing, and covid19 started in a lab. Elderly people died alone. People yelled and screamed at each other over masking. Friendships and even families were destroyed over covid hysteria.

Now it's all, "Nevermind, our bad. Only extremists are upset about it. Ha ha ha".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 19, 2023, 10:27:43 AM

Another example of the news saying something that would get you banned off social media not too long ago.  How many studies showed the opposite?

Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 19, 2023, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?

 :rofl:

No.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2023, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?

How are we to know? Researchers were being banned left and right.

Also, not much research was needed regarding origin.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 19, 2023, 10:56:32 AM
:rofl:

No.

I see Mr. Hapley expresses his cynicism of the scientific method while using the magic electric box to share his opinions with the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on February 19, 2023, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?

I read more than one article a few years back highlighting studies that indicated natural immunity existed and was effective against Covid.  These articles did not appear in the MSM because they did not toe the party line at the time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 19, 2023, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 11:31:55 AM
I see Mr. Hapley expresses his cynicism of the scientific method while using the magic electric box to share his opinions with the world.

 Yeah, sure, that's what happened.

No, I'm just glad the scientific method is making a comeback.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 19, 2023, 02:08:46 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
What does that have to do with the religious fervor which fealty to The Science was enforced?

Government, public health bureaucracy, medical institutions, social media, regular media, entertainment outlets, and large corporations joined together to say: “This is Truth, backed by Science himself, and no one may question it!”  Nearly all the doctrine they proclaimed with that infinite confidence and certainty was later determined to be either outright wrong or massively overstated.

Adherents to the cult of PopScience pretend not to remember all the times they crucified people who were correct too soon, and also utterly lack the humility to admit their mistakes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 19, 2023, 07:29:50 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 10:42:21 AM
Or is this an example of additional research yielding additional information that was not apparent a few years back?
We already know the govt made claims that the vaccine would prevent the vaccinated from passing on COVID when they hadn't even begun research to show if that was true.  They claimed the vaccinated wouldn't even get the disease.  IMO, we also know that many of the treatments doctors were throwing at patients likely did more harm than good and likely contributed to the death rate.  It would be a change of pace if they would simple be up front about that.  I don't mind the govt simply saying "we don't know" or "the vaccine is new and we are still testing it".  I expect that.  I don't want to be lied to. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 20, 2023, 07:47:51 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 19, 2023, 11:31:55 AM
I see Mr. Hapley expresses his cynicism of the scientific method while using the magic electric box to share his opinions with the world.
This is a pretty smarmy and unaware canned response.

Millcreek, you're a smart, capable, aware guy, and I'm pretty sure you're old enough to remember the last three years.  It would shock me if you have lived those years without having even an inkling of the failures of people professing to be on the side of The Science (some - but not all - of them actual scientists) to even allow people to question their untested proclamations, much less apply the scientific method.

The policies which failed (over and over) were not presented with any humility, nor were people allowed to question them - after all, Science!  If the mobilized public health apparatus and their various enforcement arms had been honest about what their policies and prescriptions were based on, what confidence they had for success, and so forth they likely would not have gotten the compliance they wanted ... and they knew that.  So instead of humbly saying "this is the best we know now", they made a big show of "The Science Says!" as though everything had been studied, figured out, and determined.  Like you did in the above post, they intentionally conflated established, tested, and successfully implemented scientific theories with SWAGs and made questioning the latter out to be questioning the former.  That is dishonest.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
These discussions remind me of one of my favorite jury instructions.  If you do malpractice in Washington state, especially defense, you are familiar with WPI 105.08 (https://govt.westlaw.com/wciji/Document/I2c8ccb6ee10d11dab058a118868d70a9?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default).  We like to call it the 20/20 hindsight instruction.  You cannot apply the 20/20 retrospectroscope to argue that a physician erred. You are judged by your actions at the time based on the information available to you at the time, and if you pick one treatment over another, even if it turns out to be wrong, you are not liable, as long as your decision to pick the one treatment is reasonable, which is defined as a consensus opinion based upon experts and the literature.

I think part of the issue here is conflating the political interpretation and action upon scientific findings. Have public health recommendations changed over time? Absolutely. Was politics a major component of Covid actions? Absolutely.  When you look at the actual scientific literature on the topic, consensus findings take a while to be agreed upon, if ever, and findings and recommendations thereto have clearly changed with additional research and you still have disagreement in the medical and scientific community.  It is easy to look back now and/or cherry pick your studies to say they should have known all along that A, B, or C doesn't work and they were clearly idiots or malign to do those things.  The power of 20/20 hindsight.  Do I think that 'Science' was a monolithic entity that was acting in a malign manner?  I am going to need to see some better evidence on that.

The left/center/right media and the Government do an excellent job of conflating the politics and the science and that is going to have some impacts down the line.  There are already some good studies showing that childhood immunization rates are dropping, and at least part of that is parental distrust of the scientific/medical/political industrial complex.  I have been saying for a while now that perhaps the only good thing to come from Covid is learning things for the next public health crisis.  I wonder what those learnings will be.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 20, 2023, 10:04:37 AM
Except we're not talking about hindsight. They were slinging bullshit and anyone who tried to call them out for it was pilloried.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on February 20, 2023, 10:04:37 AM
Except we're not talking about hindsight. They were slinging bullshit and anyone who tried to call them out for it was pilloried.

And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time?  Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on February 20, 2023, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time?  Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?

Sometimes you can tell just by the smell  https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 20, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time?  Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?
How exactly did they know the facts they were throwing around at the time? That is the question that needs to be answered.  I can deal with doctors at the time saying they screwed up as long as they had a reason to do what they did.  I don't think that is the case here. 

So far, what we are finding out (as zxcvbob's post points out) is they had no basis for what they were saying.  Not only did they make claims for which they had no research to back up, but Pfizer and others fought in court to avoid making public the research and testing for the vaccine even though Congress already gave them liability protection.  And then the Govt worked with social media companies to shut down anyone questioning the official narrative. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on February 20, 2023, 10:51:40 AM
I think that we on this board, and probably conservatives in general, treat government with extreme distrust.  A long history of government lies and retcons from our perspective have generally taught us to start from a position of skepticism.  Like everyone, we apply various biases and filters that confirm our positions to ourselves.

I agree with Millcreeks position that ongoing research has and will continue to enlighten us to the nature of the covid virus and the epidemiological controls should be implemented for such viruses.  I agree that there was much not known at the onset, which is known now.

I also agree with Cordex in that we got hammered with propaganda from almost every angle projecting consensus and quashing skepticism with regards to government policy around the virus.  This was done under the banner of capitol-S-Science.  It was a hamfisted attempt to drive compliance with unpopular public health measures.  Ultimately politicians justified their public health policies behind the smoke screen of Science.  Doing so has undermined the credibility of the medical and scientific sector for a fair few folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 20, 2023, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
I think part of the issue here is conflating the political interpretation and action upon scientific findings.
Yes, which is the precise problem I took Mech (and others) to be pointing to.

Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
Do I think that 'Science' was a monolithic entity that was acting in a malign manner?  I am going to need to see some better evidence on that.
I agree completely.  In fact, I don't see anyone here arguing against you on this.  The people claiming that The Science is a monolithic entity were the ones who subverted science to achieve their political goals, or to force acceptance for their unsupported hypotheses.

The part of Mech's post you responded to was:
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 19, 2023, 10:27:43 AM
Another example of the news saying something that would get you banned off social media not too long ago.  How many studies showed the opposite?
Your response seemed to ignore that this clearly makes a distinction between the self-styled defenders of Scientism in social media and the scientists who were interpreting results in varied ways.

Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
The left/center/right media and the Government do an excellent job of conflating the politics and the science and that is going to have some impacts down the line.
Agreed.

Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
I have been saying for a while now that perhaps the only good thing to come from Covid is learning things for the next public health crisis.  I wonder what those learnings will be.
I worry that what was actually learned is that a public health crisis is extremely valuable both monetarily and politically.

Quote from: MechAg94 on February 20, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
How exactly did they know the facts they were throwing around at the time? That is the question that needs to be answered.  I can deal with doctors at the time saying they screwed up as long as they had a reason to do what they did.  I don't think that is the case here. 

So far, what we are finding out (as zxcvbob's post points out) is they had no basis for what they were saying.  Not only did they make claims for which they had no research to back up, but Pfizer and others fought in court to avoid making public the research and testing for the vaccine even though Congress already gave them liability protection.  And then the Govt worked with social media companies to shut down anyone questioning the official narrative. 
This exactly.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 20, 2023, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
And how exactly do you know it was bullshit at the time?  Based on the science, the media you consume, or your personal opinion?

So, just because we were right at the time doesn't mean we were right? Got it.

Where to begin...

Let's address the ad hominem attack first shall we... Try re-reading my comment. Here, I'll make it simple for you "Except we're not talking about hindsight. They were slinging bullshit and anyone who tried to call them out for it was pilloried."  The operative point is underlined. Why do you find it necessary to question my education and intelligence? I was simply reiterating that anyone who dared question  "THE SCIENCE" was attacked.  Do you refute the notion that anyone that questioned "THE SCIENCE" was ridiculed, attacked and silenced for daring to question "THE SCIENCE"? 
Arrogant much?

I will briefly explain why I was extremely skeptical of "THE SCIENCE" and adamantly refused to take their experimental "vaccine".
After the initial deployment of the virus we saw the powers that be telling us how to stay safe by social distancing and wearing a face diaper.  OK fair enough, some basic hygiene stuff, no big deal.
 
Then we started seeing things like the Governor of NY refusing to use the hospital ship Trump sent and instead placed active Covid cases into nursing homes. Man, that sure worked out well didn't it.

Here are a few of the red flags I saw.
The part where you can't question the science.
Any "science" that can't be questioned because the "authorities" say so is automatically suspect. Anyone that claims to be a scientist and goes along with not questioning the science doesn't deserve the title.
Any suggestion of a treatment outside of the "THE SCIENCE" approved treatments or any questioning of "THE SCIENCE" was met with ridicule, derision, personal attacks (deja vu), firings and even threats of imprisonment. 
We also saw the statistics being manipulated. Suddenly nearly all deaths were Covid deaths, people stopped dyeing from flu, heart disease, car accidents gunshots... everything was "Covid related". I have personal, 1st hand information of two people that died and their cause of death was listed as Covid related one was a car crash in which the driver (a friend of mine) was ejected from the vehicle (dipshit neer wore his seatbelt) and was crushed when the car landed on top of him. The other was an elderly relative with a long, long history of heart disease and emphysema. The shotgun in the mouth would have been my diagnosis but it was actually Covid that killed him. Just ask "THE SCIENCE".

So maybe we all don't have your lofty degrees and years of experience and indoctrination in the medical field but that doesn't mean we can't identify bullshit when it's getting rubbed in our faces.


 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/102965

It will be interesting to see this case make it through the court system.  No state other than California has gone the 'medical misinformation' route in terms of unprofessional conduct.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 20, 2023, 03:07:16 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 20, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/102965

It will be interesting to see this case make it through the court system.  No state other than California has gone the 'medical misinformation' route in terms of unprofessional conduct.

That will be interesting to watch since it is in the 9th Circuit. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 20, 2023, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on February 20, 2023, 11:09:37 AM

Any suggestion of a treatment outside of the "THE SCIENCE" approved treatments or any questioning of "THE SCIENCE" was met with ridicule, derision, personal attacks (deja vu), firings and even threats of imprisonment. 

This is the other part that concerned me.  I heard plenty of anecdotal stories of doctors prescribing ivermectin among other things, but I didn't like seeing the FedGov using their funding authority to bully doctors and hospitals into towing the line.  It is almost as if we have a govt run health care system or something.


Of course, it doesn't look like there is any will in D.C. to fix any of this.  I figure Pfizer and others spread the campaign contributions around pretty liberally. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 21, 2023, 06:59:01 AM
In related news of new studies, Ivermectin still doesn't do anything for COVID:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 21, 2023, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: dogmush on February 21, 2023, 06:59:01 AM
In related news of new studies, Ivermectin still doesn't do anything for COVID:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827

And herein lies one of the biggest unintended consequences of covid manipulation. Pre-covid, I would have read something in JAMA and likely taken it as a study that followed the scientific method, and not spent time looking for contrary studies. I'm pretty sure that even early in this thread, there are some links to JAMA covid articles that at the time, people said, "That's bullshit" (and others said, IT'S SCIENCE!) and have now been proven to be bullshit.

The linked article here may have followed proper protocols, and used valid inputs, or it may not have. I currently hold JAMA articles on covid to the same level I hold Washington Post articles. I will always hold them suspect and look for independent replication of the study and for contrary studies.

Analogous to this, I still try to keep up on scientific journals in my area of expertise, and everytime I read a study in them that concludes with "due to climate change", I hold the study suspect, due to the potential for agendas and "funding" souring the integrity of the study.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
And they are still testing whether ivermectin "cures" COVID rather than being a preventative.  That has been commented on as well.  I believe that other drug that Trump was taking in 2020 was believed to be a preventative also. 

Most of the people I heard about who took ivermectin for COVID were prescribed a number of things just included ivermectin.  Makes me curious if there is anything to that.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
And they are still testing whether ivermectin "cures" COVID rather than being a preventative.  That has been commented on as well.  I believe that other drug that Trump was taking in 2020 was believed to be a preventative also. 



That was HCQ (hydroxychloroquine) and the majority of the clinical trials testing it as Covid prophylaxis had disappointing results: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=hcq+prophylaxis+covid&oq=hcq+prophy 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 21, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
To Ben's point: prior to the pandemic I am not sure I was even aware of JAMA, but I've been reading a lot more medical studies the last 3 years for some reason  ;/  I agree that one of the big side effects is that in general the words "Study shows" in a MSM article or Social Media tweet are much less likely to be taken as evidence that that one thing is in fact true. 

On the bright side, I have discovered that most scientific studies have a pretty solid EXSUM that will tell you what you need to know and give you a good look at the scientific method and how it was applied.  The Ivermectin study I linked is 4100 words, and I ran through it in about 10 minutes.  (I skimmed some sections)  If you don't want to deep dive the data there's no reason to take a journalist or tweeters word for the veracity of any study.  More folks reading primary sources may be a good thing over all.

To MechAg94's point:
The study mentions the time from symptom onset to first dose (3-7 days, median 5 days) which seems pretty quick to me for what it is.  Most people with mild to moderate COVID aren't running to a Dr. at the first symptom, so a little time to get sick, get tested, get results, go to doc, get recruited into the study, and get drugs seems like it's going to have to happen.

What would you want a preventative dose to look like?  Just take Ivermectin every day like a vitamin in case you are exposed to COVID?  Genuine question.  What do you see as the dosing schedule for preventative vs. for symptoms?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: dogmush on February 21, 2023, 10:17:00 AM

On the bright side, I have discovered that most scientific studies have a pretty solid EXSUM that will tell you what you need to know and give you a good look at the scientific method and how it was applied.  The Ivermectin study I linked is 4100 words, and I ran through it in about 10 minutes.  (I skimmed some sections)  If you don't want to deep dive the data there's no reason to take a journalist or tweeters word for the veracity of any study.  More folks reading primary sources may be a good thing over all.

I have been reading the scientific and medical literature since age 16, and the legal literature/statutes/regulations/appellate opinions since my early 20's.  If I have learned one thing, when the left/right/center media or social media talk about scientific, medical or legal matters, reading the actual primary source material informs you as to what the media leaves out, gets wrong, or puts their own bias on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 21, 2023, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 10:49:31 AM
I have been reading the scientific and medical literature since age 16, and the legal literature/statutes/regulations/appellate opinions since my early 20's.  If I have learned one thing, when the left/right/center media or social media talk about scientific, medical or legal matters, reading the actual primary source material informs you as to what the media leaves out, gets wrong, or puts their own bias on.

Quoted to add:  "Or what they just make the *expletive deleted*ck up."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
^^^That is when they quote the MSU study: make *expletive deleted*it up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on February 21, 2023, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 10:49:31 AM
I have been reading the scientific and medical literature since age 16, and the legal literature/statutes/regulations/appellate opinions since my early 20's.  If I have learned one thing, when the left/right/center media or social media talk about scientific, medical or legal matters, reading the actual primary source material informs you as to what the media leaves out, gets wrong, or puts their own bias on.

This!

Unfortunately the general population does not have the time, inclination, reading comprehension nor technical background to read primary sources with respect to scientific, medical or legal matters.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 21, 2023, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: Nick1911 on February 21, 2023, 11:46:23 AM
This!

Unfortunately the general population does not have the time, inclination, reading comprehension nor technical background to read primary sources with respect to scientific, medical or legal matters.

And I am the first to admit that some of this stuff is way over my head.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 21, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
And they are still testing whether ivermectin "cures" COVID rather than being a preventative.  That has been commented on as well.  I believe that other drug that Trump was taking in 2020 was believed to be a preventative also. 

Most of the people I heard about who took ivermectin for COVID were prescribed a number of things just included ivermectin.  Makes me curious if there is anything to that.



Regarding horse paste, my understanding is that a) it was touted by proponents as a treatment that helped, but was not a “cure”, and b) it was most effective when taken with zinc and possibly other vitamins/minerals.  Most studies have only been concerned with whether it had direct activity against covid or was in some way a cure, and they looked at it in isolation rather than with zinc/etc supplements.  It’s entirely possible it was a very helpful drug even if it didn’t do those specific things the studies looked for.

Anecdotally, ivermectin seemed to help my wife recover, and also helped my best friend’s sister avoid hospitalization.  Also, the parts of Africa and India where ivermectin is consumed like candy Covid seems to have been far less impactful than other places.  Proof it’s efficacious?  No, but while the plural of anecdote is not data, eventually if gather enough anecdotes, and apply sound analysis to them, you can develop data.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 21, 2023, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on February 21, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
Also, the parts of Africa and India where ivermectin is consumed like candy Covid seems to have been far less impactful than other places.  Proof it’s efficacious?  No, but while the plural of anecdote is not data, eventually if gather enough anecdotes, and apply sound analysis to them, you can develop data.
1. There are a lot of differences between Africa/India and the US that are more likely to matter than use of ivermectin. India and Africa have far fewer elderly, far lower rates of obesity, are more likely to be physically active, and are more likely to have regular exposure to the sun which is likely to improve natural vitamin D production.
2. Sound analysis is key. I don’t think sound analysis has been the goal for much COVID research.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 22, 2023, 12:57:14 PM
The really fun began when someone who had worked for big pharma research, with part of his job editing and proofing data to keep the researchers from stepping on tender parts, noticed that stuff was being left out of the news articles that everyone else in the conversation accepted as gospel. That someone remembers those conversations.
 
Gee...
 
And as for Ivermectin? The initial reports involved prophylactic use - it appears that with small initial concentrations of viral particles that it makes it harder for them to replicate.
 
So, of course, the establishment researchers insisted on treating it as an antiviral in active cases, often late-stage.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on February 22, 2023, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Bogie on February 22, 2023, 12:57:14 PM

 
And as for Ivermectin? The initial reports involved prophylactic use - it appears that with small initial concentrations of viral particles that it makes it harder for them to replicate.
 

Do you still have those reports/studies?  The only confirmed positive think in Ivermectin I remember was a promising in vitro study that had stupidly sky high dosages to stop replication.  I don't remember any repeatable positive outcomes in actual patients.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 22, 2023, 01:31:13 PM
New York Times:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpij0HSWAAA4Wam?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/02/22/christina-pushaw-wonders-when-gov-desantis-gets-his-apology-after-these-media-pivots-on-thescience/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 22, 2023, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: dogmush on February 22, 2023, 01:17:59 PM
Do you still have those reports/studies?  The only confirmed positive think in Ivermectin I remember was a promising in vitro study that had stupidly sky high dosages to stop replication.  I don't remember any repeatable positive outcomes in actual patients.
There are a variety of studies (positive and negative) that can be sorted through at the site below.  Many of the studies are underpowered, but combined the results might be interesting.
https://c19ivm.org/meta.html

I'm still not sold on ivermectin, but there has clearly been significant top-down bias to convince people it didn't and couldn't work - and was unsafe to boot - well before there were any studies showing anything.

It seems that we are expected to take some things on faith, and others require exhaustive scientific proof.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 22, 2023, 01:38:39 PM
^^^That is a really well said quote from the NYT, of all places.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 22, 2023, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 22, 2023, 01:31:13 PM
New York Times:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpij0HSWAAA4Wam?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/02/22/christina-pushaw-wonders-when-gov-desantis-gets-his-apology-after-these-media-pivots-on-thescience/

I think DeSantis will get his apology right after the media apologizes for saying that Trump advised people to inject bleach, and drink fish tank cleaner.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2023, 11:26:20 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 14, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
This just in: Cochrane analysis of masks and handwashing on respiratory viruses:

https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
I guess this is not so much "this just in" after all.  A version of this review was complete at the beginning of the pandemic.

An earlier version of this report (which has had versions published since 2007) was originally slated to be published in the spring of 2020, but they waited to publish it until November of 2020.  Once published it was broadly censored by social media as misinformation.  Now, to be fair, the 2020 review didn't have any studies specifically related to COVID19, but by the same token there were no studies which supported masking in reaction to COVID19.  That is dishonest, and severely damaging to trust.

I'm not convinced that these studies are perfect, but yet again we have a case where the government mandated something without any supporting studies, claimed The Science as the source of their doctrine, and teamed up with big companies to enforce adherence to their mandate through calling any contradictory messaging misinformation - even if it is a Cochrane Review of studies. 

This is not a question either of 20/20 hindsight or learning things that contradicted earlier studies.  Earlier studies did not support the things that were mandated, but that didn't stop there being an unscientific "medical consensus" about the efficacy of masks.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/information#versionTable
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2023, 12:52:27 PM
^^^Partially addressing and agreeing with some of the very points made by Cordex:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on February 23, 2023, 12:52:27 PM
^^^Partially addressing and agreeing with some of the very points made by Cordex:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection
That's a pretty biased article.  It's from Vox so no surprise, but still.

Intuitively I'd expect mask wearing to work and I did so from very early in the pandemic as a precaution specifically for my pregnant wife and our baby.  Intuition, however, is not science.  The mandates and the censorship of claimed disinformation/misinformation/malinformation were based strictly on the intuition of authorities but were repeatedly and falsely represented as being what The Science said.  That would have been a problem if masks were found to have been very effective, much less barely detectible improvements.

I've looked at the Bangladesh and Danish studies that the Vox article  and neither clearly indicates that masks were effective at preventing COVID19 infection for the wearer.  At best they showed overall a tiny, marginal improvement that fell within the margin of error of the experiments.

While I agree with the author of the Vox article that Tom Jefferson has overstated his case, I note they didn't even try to point out the years of overstated case in favor of masks.  This is a log in the eye situation.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 23, 2023, 01:57:47 PM
If they had come out and said “masks help reduce transmission by those that are sick.  Please stay home if sick but if you must go out wear a mask” compliance would have been very high and few if any people would have opposed. 

The fiction was that masking healthy people, and especially children, would be beneficial.  It’s obvious to anyone intellectually honest that masking healthy people was nearly useless and whatever very marginal benefit was derived, if any, would be more than entirely eliminated by the costs to psychological health, and other factors.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2023, 03:18:26 PM
^^^I have heard our county health department folks say that one reason why further mask mandates have not been imposed by government fiat is the fear that such mandates will be widely ignored.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 23, 2023, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on February 23, 2023, 01:57:47 PM
If they had come out and said “masks help reduce transmission by those that are sick.  Please stay home if sick but if you must go out wear a mask” compliance would have been very high and few if any people would have opposed. 

The fiction was that masking healthy people, and especially children, would be beneficial.  It’s obvious to anyone intellectually honest that masking healthy people was nearly useless and whatever very marginal benefit was derived, if any, would be more than entirely eliminated by the costs to psychological health, and other factors.

Vilifying (or in Canada, shooting) people who chose not to wear masks was another aspect of the problem. It's one thing to say, "this helps;" it's another thing to say; "not doing this hurts people, and you're a monster."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2023, 05:50:51 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on February 23, 2023, 05:24:04 PM
Vilifying (or in Canada, shooting) people who chose not to wear masks was another aspect of the problem. It's one thing to say, "this helps;" it's another thing to say; "not doing this hurts people, and you're a monster."

The sheer number of people who lost jobs and whose lives were completely destroyed over a stupid paper mask is why when they say, "Oops, our bad. Just forgive us." I happily tell them to go to hell.

As you say, encouragement is much different than force. Masks were literally a false religion for a LARGE segment of society.

https://youtu.be/3iV8X8ubGCc
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 23, 2023, 07:51:25 PM
The science was always clear that masks do not block viral transmission.

We argued here about this very early on in the pandemic.

The majority rejected the established science on the subject and followed the current "experts" and authorities instead.

I was absolutely convinced that masks were for the most part worthless. Yet, I still experienced anxiety and doubts when in public. The gaslighting on the subject was immense. It was a full blown psychological operation being run through every government institution and the overwhelming majority of corporate institutions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2023, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 23, 2023, 05:50:51 PM
… why when they say, "Oops, our bad. Just forgive us." I happily tell them to go to hell.
I don’t see very many people even saying “our bad”.  Most come up with excuses as to why it was the best idea at the time, or how it didn’t do any harm, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on February 23, 2023, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: cordex on February 23, 2023, 08:26:02 PM
I don’t see very many people even saying “our bad”.  Most come up with excuses as to why it was the best idea at the time, or how it didn’t do any harm, etc.

It did massive harm, especially to children.  The younger the kid the worse masking was for them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 24, 2023, 09:04:06 AM
A study published this week on invermectin as treatment, not prophylaxis.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827

Key Points
Question  Does ivermectin, with a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg daily for 6 days, compared with placebo, shorten symptom duration among adult (≥30 years) outpatients with symptomatic mild to moderate COVID-19?

Findings  In this double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial including 1206 US adults with COVID-19 during February 2022 to July 2022, the median time to sustained recovery was 11 days in the ivermectin group and 11 days in the placebo group. In this largely vaccinated (84%) population, the posterior probability that ivermectin reduced symptom duration by more than 1 day was less than 0.1%.

Meaning  These findings do not support the use of ivermectin among outpatients with COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 24, 2023, 10:09:12 AM
Now tell us who paid for the study.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 24, 2023, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on February 24, 2023, 10:09:12 AM
Now tell us who paid for the study.

At the very bottom of the article, right under the conflict of interest disclosures.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
The US Government now appears to be going with "lab leak".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/02/26/comfortably-smug-wallops-media-who-smeared-the-right-for-knowing-covid-was-a-lab-leak-in-brutal-thread/

Looking at the statements at the twitchy link from when it was a "conspiracy theory" is kinda infuriating.

Particularly good example from the Editor in Chief at Scientific American (not a real science publication). "Heroic and urgent":

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fp6ADG9XsAE3s-W?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 26, 2023, 09:17:39 PM
At first I thought 'what expertise does the Energy Department have in biology' but the WSJ article points out they run various national labs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 26, 2023, 10:37:21 PM
Ivermectin sucks as an antiviral in advanced cases.
 
But... This isn't that hard...
 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35070575/
 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34573986/

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#!/

Most of what I'm seeing (in a rather cursory search, since I'm tired as hell and need to sleep so I can deal with people tomorrow) seems to say that "it seems to do something."
 
Which is better than nothing. And with few adverse effects, unlike the antivirals...
 
Most of the negative press I've seen has been akin to "Why do you have that fire extinguisher in your house? It won't save you if your whole house is on fire."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on February 27, 2023, 12:57:01 PM
^^^I hope the DOD is either doing or funding research on ivermectin as treatment or prophylaxis to come up with definitive proof of efficacy. It occurs to me that the US military would have interest in a cheap, widely available drug to help maintain readiness, like using Mefloquine for malaria prophylaxis.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 01, 2023, 12:51:23 PM
Follow the money.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/01/dr-marty-makary-tells-house-committee-what-happened-after-virologists-acquiesced-to-dr-fauci/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on March 01, 2023, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 26, 2023, 03:33:00 PM
The US Government now appears to be going with "lab leak".


It sounds like the USA needs to get compensation from China.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 01, 2023, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Pb on March 01, 2023, 01:40:43 PM
It sounds like the USA needs to get compensation from China.

Brandon:  "President Xi, here's a trillion dollars to atone for our country being so damaged by your benevolent Covid-19 virus.  Please, may we have another?  I promise we will do better next time."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 02, 2023, 03:50:59 PM
Biden wants $1.6 billion to use to recover funds that went to fraudulent covid relief claims. We'd probably be better off investing the $1.6 billion in revolving six month T-Bills and recovering the money that way.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/03/02/great-news-biden-set-to-ask-congress-for-1-6-billion-in-taxpayer-money-to-fight-covid-relief-fraud/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2023, 10:24:24 AM
Fauci and the dems who kept this hidden need to be in prison if true

Quote
Dr. Anthony Fauci commissioned a February 2020 paper to disprove the possibility that COVID originated in a lab — only to pretend he nothing to do with the study at a White House news conference weeks later.

Newly-released emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic show the former head of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases both commissioned and had final approval on a scientific paper which claimed it was 'improbable' that the virus leaked out of a lab in Wuhan, China.

Just a few weeks later, he stood next to then-President Donald Trump at a press conference and cited that very paper as evidence that the idea of a lab leak was implausible - and said he did not know the authors, despite sitting down with them days before.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824905/Emails-Dr-Fauci-commissioned-February-2020-paper-disprove-COVID-leaked-Wuhan-lab.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 06, 2023, 11:05:24 AM
Quote
Fauci and the dems who kept this hidden need to be in prison if true

I'd be OK with execution after a proper trial in this case. Amounts to treason in my book.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2023, 11:09:24 AM
More
Quote
    NEW – CNN ex-boss Jeff Zucker reportedly "ordered" staff not to probe COVID lab leak theory because it was a Trump talking point.https://t.co/J7dVVHGVgH

    — Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) March 6, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/06/gets-worse-cnn-ex-boss-jeff-zucker-ordered-staff-not-to-probe-covid-lab-leak-theory-because-of-trump/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: bedlamite on March 06, 2023, 06:12:16 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824905/Emails-Dr-Fauci-commissioned-February-2020-paper-disprove-COVID-leaked-Wuhan-lab.html

ETA: didn't realize it was already posted
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on March 06, 2023, 11:42:04 PM
We need the biggest woodchipper ever built.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 07, 2023, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 06, 2023, 11:05:24 AM
I'd be OK with execution after a proper trial in this case. Amounts to treason in my book.

I don't think it's treason; that's rather specific.  Crimes against humanity, maybe?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 07, 2023, 11:19:52 AM
And NOTHING will come of this, because there won't be news coverage outside of the "conspiracy" channels. And the folks who are still wearing masks and gloves will keep going full Karen on those around them.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:32:54 AM
Wow, they didn't even vote 100% in 1941 to declare war on Japan. 388-1

House votes 419-0 to force Biden administration to declassify ALL information about COVID origins and the Wuhan lab leaks: Bill now heads to President's desk
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11845001/House-votes-419-0-declassify-information-COVID-origins.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2023, 11:37:41 AM
"Wow, they didn't even vote 100% in 1941 to declare war on Japan. 388-1"

Jeanette Rankin.

She was the only person to vote against US entry into World War I and the war against Japan. When she cast her vote she was booed and hissed on the House floor.

When the declaration of war was voted against Germany members of both parties convinced her to abstain so that the vote would be unanimous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
Quote from: K Frame on March 10, 2023, 11:37:41 AM
"Wow, they didn't even vote 100% in 1941 to declare war on Japan. 388-1"

Jeanette Rankin.

She was the only person to vote against US entry into World War I and the war against Japan. When she cast her vote she was booed and hissed on the House floor.

When the declaration of war was voted against Germany members of both parties convinced her to abstain so that the vote would be unanimous.

She also voted against declaring war in the 1st WW. she wasn't quite so alone in that though. 373-50
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2023, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
She also voted against declaring war in the 1st WW. she wasn't quite so alone in that though. 373-50

Yeah... that's what I said. Read my post again, Mr. Observant. :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: K Frame on March 10, 2023, 11:43:41 AM
Yeah... that's what I said. Read my post again, Mr. Observant. :rofl:

I blame a cat distracting me.
No really

That and going back and forth between too many open tabs
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 10, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Has anyone even caught Covid lately? 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: Lennyjoe on March 10, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Has anyone even caught Covid lately?

My daughter a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on March 10, 2023, 02:01:47 PM
My niece two weeks ago.  Weird what with all the precautions Mordor on the Potomac is still enforcing.   >:D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2023, 03:04:36 PM
I wouldn't even know how you would come up with a current number. I guess it depends on where you live, but even the commie media here isn't running stories about getting tested or anything anymore.

There's a good chance a bunch of people are getting milder covid with cold-like symptoms and calling it a cold. Or they might just have a cold. Without the overzealous testing, who knows?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2023, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 10, 2023, 03:04:36 PM
I wouldn't even know how you would come up with a current number. I guess it depends on where you live, but even the commie media here isn't running stories about getting tested or anything anymore.

There's a good chance a bunch of people are getting milder covid with cold-like symptoms and calling it a cold. Or they might just have a cold. Without the overzealous testing, who knows?

I think a lot of state and county governments still publish numbers online. My county is currently reporting an average of 89 new cases per day.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 10, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
It's FATAL if you are so much in the same room with someone!
 
Just disregard the asymptomatic cases, unless they fatal you.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
 
They still won't say how many are nosocomial.
 
Most of the folks I see wearing masks are from disadvantaged minority populations.
 
Most of the folks I see wearing masks and gloves are old white folks.
 
Most of the folks I see wearing masks and gloves and the gloves are fabric or leather are crazy white folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 10, 2023, 06:13:39 PM
At any one time at our local 500+ bed hospital, we have 15-20 Covid inpatients.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 10, 2023, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 10, 2023, 06:13:39 PM
At any one time at our local 500+ bed hospital, we have 15-20 Covid inpatients.

I should ask my neighbors that are both nurses at my local hospital what their total census is and how many are there because of Covid.  And how many are there for other respiratory viruses.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on March 10, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Lennyjoe on March 10, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Has anyone even caught Covid lately?

I caught it a little over a month ago.  If I hadn't lost my sense of smell (just as all the other symptoms were about over), I would not have taken the expired government Covid test and thought I just had an unusually mild cold.  I never did report it to the county; as long as I voluntarily do the quarantine thing it's none of their business.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 10, 2023, 08:11:23 PM
And the mass media still doesn't want folks to see all the numbers.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 10, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
I caught it a little over a month ago.  If I hadn't lost my sense of smell (just as all the other symptoms were about over), I would not have taken the expired government Covid test and thought I just had an unusually mild cold.  I never did report it to the county; as long as I voluntarily do the quarantine thing it's none of their business.

Nonsense. Take your Covid to the streets. Ya know, for racial justice.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 11, 2023, 08:18:25 PM
I just saw an announcement from the Washington Department of Health that 4300 new cases were diagnosed in the state during the week of February 14th.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2023, 11:04:45 AM
Now Fauci is saying, "Yeah, it could have been a lab leak."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-could-stem-from-risky-experiments-at-chinese-lab-fauci_5118654.html

Quote
“The other possibility is someone takes a virus from the environment that doesn’t actually spread very well in humans, and manipulates it a bit, and accidentally it escapes or accidentally infects someone and then you get an outbreak.”
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on March 10, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
I caught it a little over a month ago.  If I hadn't lost my sense of smell (just as all the other symptoms were about over), I would not have taken the expired government Covid test and thought I just had an unusually mild cold.  I never did report it to the county; as long as I voluntarily do the quarantine thing it's none of their business.
I had it last November.  Similar situation.  I had a fever for a day.  Felt miserable and cold for a short time.  No fever the next day. 

The biggest issue is I sometimes get a minor sinus issue if I don't keep my CPAP clean or swap to new hoses and such periodically.  That minor sinus issue hit me hard the next week.  I switched out to new hoses and stuff and slowly got better.  I did notice my sense of smell was gone for a short time but came back (mostly I guess).  I figure even a minor COVID issue left me open to other stuff that wasn't bothering me too much prior to that point. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2023, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2023, 11:04:45 AM
Now Fauci is saying, "Yeah, it could have been a lab leak."



Which was his stance all along.  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 14, 2023, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2023, 11:04:45 AM
Now Fauci is saying, "Yeah, it could have been a lab leak."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-could-stem-from-risky-experiments-at-chinese-lab-fauci_5118654.html

Now even The Science is refusing to follow The Science.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2023, 10:19:41 PM
Close call!
My wife's sister is a dental assistant. The dentist is a pretty decent guy and gives family of his employees a break on fees. Been seeing him for quite a few years now.
I had my semi-annual checkup on the 9th.  On the 8th the entire office had their first aid/CPR refresher training. Over the course of last week the entire office staff and the dentist, with the exception of my unvaxed sister in law, tested positive for the covids.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2023, 07:35:54 AM
Friends of mine have both come down with kung flu.

They both work from home, have had all of the jabs (they're a bit on the liberal woke side, but nothing terrible), etc.

Emily started feeling crappy Wednesday, tested positive Thursday afternoon.

Brian tried to sequester in the at home office but my guess it was already too late. He popped positive yesterday.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2023, 10:51:20 AM
Damn raccoon dogs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 18, 2023, 11:11:48 AM
The weekly Covid census email says that we have 20 Covid patients in the hospital this week.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 18, 2023, 12:18:53 PM
St. Louis' web site says 33 new hospitalizations in the past week, but doesn't give any data regarding demographics. Especially age or residency... I'm figuring that we're seeing mostly nursing home residents still, and that they're still hoping for the 'vid when they run a test.
 
Says that 4% of inpatient beds are occupied, but doesn't say whether that is overall or just the covid isolation. I'm leaning isolation. Everyone I've talked to from the major hospitals are saying "not a big deal."

Overall, 835 deaths out of about 320k are blamed on the 'vid... And we've had 693 murders in the same population. I'm FAR more worried about lead poisoning.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on March 18, 2023, 03:26:29 PM
 =( It is indeed unfortunate that so many people have such weak immune systems.  No flu, not even a "winter cold" in the last 8 years.
Go figure.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2023, 12:39:38 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/53tpgg.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2023, 11:05:53 AM
Apparently this was censored pre-Elon, but is now available for viewing:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1637709505193709571

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/20/that-time-a-guy-wrecked-dr-faucis-door-to-door-sales-pitch-in-dc-its-amazing/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 20, 2023, 11:53:05 AM
You know, I'd really like to know just who started cooking the books on the numbers...
 
The whole "died with" thing is what allowed them to crush the economy.
 
But it won't be just one person - it'll be like all the well-meaning folks who did their little bit to get Biden elected. No vast conspiracy - just a bunch of separate folks who thought they were doing what was right.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 20, 2023, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 20, 2023, 11:53:05 AM
You know, I'd really like to know just who started cooking the books on the numbers...
 
The whole "died with" thing is what allowed them to crush the economy.
 
But it won't be just one person - it'll be like all the well-meaning folks who did their little bit to get Biden elected. No vast conspiracy - just a bunch of separate folks who thought they were doing what was right.

The Soviets called them "useful idiots".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2023, 03:42:11 PM
Even more Fauci. "They're Republicans. They don't like being told what to do. We need to break that." I can see why Twitter censored all this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1637839339584471042

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/20/2021-video-shows-fauci-saying-red-staters-dont-like-being-told-what-to-do-we-gotta-break-that/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on March 20, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
I wish there was a "Coventry"* we could send Fauci and his ilk to, and let them live out the rest of their days there.

*See Robert Heinlein's short story of the same name.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2023, 09:15:45 AM
Grinning Dr Fauci laughs off lab leak questions AGAIN as he allows documentary team inside his $2million DC home (which is filled with Fauci memorabilia - including self-portraits and cushions with his face on them!)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11886367/Fauci-laughs-lab-leak-PBS-Covid-documentary.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2023, 10:44:54 AM
World Health Organization says healthy children and teens probably don't need a Covid vaccine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11915563/World-Health-Organization-says-healthy-kids-teens-dont-need-Covid-vaccinations.html

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/oCjCwnuLpiWbfMb1UA/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 29, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Wow, the science must have totally changed all of a sudden.  I'm glad we finally have data to indicate that the impacts of COVID are strongly age-stratified and that children are at almost no risk from COVID - lower even than flu.  It would have been amazing to have that information three years ago.  Oh wait.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 29, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 29, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Wow, the science must have totally changed all of a sudden.  I'm glad we finally have data to indicate that the impacts of COVID are strongly age-stratified and that children are at almost no risk from COVID - lower even than flu.  It would have been amazing to have that information three years ago.  Oh wait.

Probably more it's political usefulness came to an end.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Doggy Daddy on March 29, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 29, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
Probably more it's political usefulness came to an end.

Say it ain't so!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 29, 2023, 08:43:07 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 20, 2023, 11:53:05 AM
You know, I'd really like to know just who started cooking the books on the numbers...
 
The whole "died with" thing is what allowed them to crush the economy.
 
But it won't be just one person - it'll be like all the well-meaning folks who did their little bit to get Biden elected. No vast conspiracy - just a bunch of separate folks who thought they were doing what was right.

March 13, 2020 is when Iowa pretty much shut down. Trump was president and Reynolds was the governor of Iowa. You gotta throw some shade at the true believers in the GOP too.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2023, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: cordex on March 29, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Wow, the science must have totally changed all of a sudden.  I'm glad we finally have data to indicate that the impacts of COVID are strongly age-stratified and that children are at almost no risk from COVID - lower even than flu.  It would have been amazing to have that information three years ago.  Oh wait.
It seems to me it was only a few months ago last year that Fauci was still arguing that all kids had to be vaccinated. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: charby on March 29, 2023, 08:43:07 PM
March 13, 2020 is when Iowa pretty much shut down. Trump was president and Reynolds was the governor of Iowa. You gotta throw some shade at the true believers in the GOP too.

You can blame your Governor, but I don't know what Trump would have to do with Iowa shutting down. If Trump told Iowa it should shut down, your Governor could have told him to *expletive deleted*ck off, like the governors of the free states told Biden to do.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 30, 2023, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 30, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
You can blame your Governor, but I don't know what Trump would have to do with Iowa shutting down. If Trump told Iowa it should shut down, your Governor could have told him to *expletive deleted*ck off, like the governors of the free states told Biden to do.

She's a total Trump lap dog.

Trump shut the country down, spring of 2020.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2023, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: charby on March 30, 2023, 11:42:59 AM
Trump shut the country down, spring of 2020.

Which country? I had zero changes in my routine, other than wearing a mask at Costco.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 30, 2023, 12:13:13 PM
I remember worrying about a national shelter in place order, but that never happened.  Trump halted some international travel and started printing checks for anyone and everyone.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on March 30, 2023, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: Ben on March 30, 2023, 11:50:19 AM
Which country? I had zero changes in my routine, other than wearing a mask at Costco.

Well you're retired, so a pandemic shutdown/slowdown won't affect you as much as us working stiffs.

March 13, 2020- Trump Declares an National Emergency due to Covid

March 17, 2020- Trump asks workforce to stay home, says he’s always known it was a pandemic

March 27, 2020- Trump signs $2.2 trillion emergency spending bill (start of funding for the 1st stimulus checks)

April 13, 2020- Trump claims ‘total’ authority over governors on openings

etc.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 30, 2023, 01:36:51 PM
My take is that Trump was out of his element on things biotech, and responses to what The Really Smart People told him was probably the end of the world as we know it.
 
Seriously, the Chinese worked their initial PR Apocalypse stuff hard, and enough of our people believed it...

"See what their brilliant scientists are doing? Our brilliant scientists need to do the same!"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on March 30, 2023, 02:36:42 PM
Charby, you could at least put a little more effort into it ...

For all his many, many faults, Trump never shut down the country and by all appearances was terrified that lockdowns would trash the economy ... and more importantly his legacy.  He did not handle the pandemic well and three years ago I was legitimately worried he was going to try to shut the US down, but that never happened. 

The March 13 national emergency was to provide money to agencies like FEMA to provide medical supplies to states, allowed for flexibility in healthcare regulations, and so forth, and did not close states.  It may have been a boondoggle, but it wasn't a lockdown.

On March 17, Trump asked people to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people, practice social distancing, and follow guidelines recommended by public health officials.  This was not a "lockdown", although I'm sure it impacted some people's behavior.  On balance I don't think I'd say it was the primary driving factor for economic collapse.

Signing the emergency spending bill to send people free money definitely allowed people to be lazy and stay home and I don't like it, but it wasn't some sort of lockdown order.

In March and April of 2020 he was encouraging states to reopen their economies as quickly as possible.  His April 13th quote was in the context of having the authority to order reopenings, not closings.   If your Trumpian lap dog of a governor were really trying to follow her master, I imagine she'd have dropped all COVID measures in April.  Interesting that you are trying to use his desire to reopen states in April of 2020 to try to sell some nonsense about him wanting to close the US.

etc.

Later in 2020 (around when I got COVID despite doing all the stupid stuff that was supposed to keep me safe) he shifted and grudgingly said that some states might have to have lockdowns to slow the spread, but he didn't advocate it.

From the beginning COVID was terribly handled by Democrats and Republicans alike, but thankfully a few of us are old enough to remember what actually happened three years ago and this "Republicans shut the country down!" line is ... maybe a little inaccurate.

So exactly which pundits have sold you this story about "true believer" Republicans being just as bad as Democrats at unending lockdowns?  Have your eyes just been so blinded by COVID bleeding that you can't see how ridiculously unbelievable these claims are, or do you just figure everyone else is going to be stupid enough to forget what happened three years ago, and have no way to fact check you?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 30, 2023, 04:14:22 PM
I’m not toooooo mad at Trump or any other politician (D or R) for their actions WRT covid in March an April 2020.  However, by July or so it was pretty obvious, to anyone willing to be intellectually honest, that it wasn’t Captain Tripps, and was really just the flu but more contagious and for the elderly and immune compromised more lethal, while for the young and otherwise healthy it was not THAT big a deal compared to all the other respiratory illnesses out there.  Worse, perhaps, but again nothing like for the elderly.

By then (mid summer 2020) all economic restrictions should have been lifted, and rather than continuing to spend trillions of borrowed dollars to prop up the economy we should have just let the economy do its thing.  So I am mad at trump for the spending after about July ‘20, and I’m mad at my D governor for perpetuating the restrictions on our economy since then, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on March 30, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on March 30, 2023, 04:14:22 PM
and I’m mad at my D governor for perpetuating the restrictions on our economy since then, etc.

In that case, you are going to be pissed when every major healthcare system in Washington state continues a mandatory masking policy after April 4th, when the state mandate ends.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 30, 2023, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 30, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
In that case, you are going to be pissed when every major healthcare system in Washington state continues a mandatory masking policy after April 4th, when the state mandate ends.

That is annoying.  I can see requiring masks at ER’s, urgent care, etc, because those were always plague factories before anyway, but why does my neurologist or chiropractor have to require them?  People generally don’t go to see such folks when sick with an infectious disease.  Not being able to see my doctor’s face really bothers me.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on March 30, 2023, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on March 30, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
In that case, you are going to be pissed when every major healthcare system in Washington state continues a mandatory masking policy after April 4th, when the state mandate ends.

Interesting video on efficacy of surgeons wearing masks.

https://youtu.be/2S4VEIgFrgs
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 30, 2023, 11:28:28 PM
I'm pretty sure I had the SuperCrud back in the latter part of 2019, but that Couldn't Be So...
 
And... I wonder how many folks were killed by doctors insisting that they get intubated and put on vents...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 31, 2023, 05:30:38 AM
Quote from: Ben on March 30, 2023, 11:50:19 AM
Which country? I had zero changes in my routine, other than wearing a mask at Costco.

Perhaps your routine didn't include dealing with anyone who worked in an office prior to the pandemic.

Most agencies in my state's government shut down completely, then took their time getting employees set up to "work" from home by remote log-in and call forwarding. It's now three years later, and many state employees are still working from home part-time or full-time. It's impossible to talk to anyone at a state agency. Three weeks I called and e-mailed the office that licenses professional engineers to ask about the license of an individual who clearly broke several laws affecting his license. I called and e-mailed as a public official working for a municipality. I still have not received any response. Not even an "I am out of the office" auto-response.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on March 31, 2023, 07:01:51 AM
My routine changed very little.

There was impact during the start of covid with everyone not being sure what was going on, and I also lost my job (thank God) right when things started getting really interesting, but I was, with the help of friends who cared for Seren, able to adapt, and then when my job ended I went and spent nearly a month with my friends and Seren at their place in the country.

Two weeks after my job ended I had a new job, but had to wait for the clearances to transfer, which took forever because EVERYTHING slowed down during covid.

But, I never stopped going to the office because what I do can't be done from home, I never stopped taking Seren to her day care because it was one of the few that actually stayed open, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2023, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 31, 2023, 05:30:38 AM
Perhaps your routine didn't include dealing with anyone who worked in an office prior to the pandemic.

I actually did, with the county offices. They just used the phone and email, and we got what I needed done, done. Though I could have waited a couple of months and then just gone back to seeing them in person if I wanted to drive an hour to the government center, since we didn't go crazy here and most counties and schools went back to in-person very quickly.

Though I was more talking about, regarding "change in routine" about stuff like going to the local diner and eating unmasked.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 31, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: K Frame on March 31, 2023, 07:01:51 AM
I never stopped taking Seren to her day care because it was one of the few that actually stayed open, etc.

IIRC, at one time the Chinese announced that dogs could catch Covid - And shortly after that, I was seeing fewer "work from home" hipsters in my neighborhood walking their dogs (while social distancing).
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 09, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-florida-officials-cut-key-data-from-vaccine-study/

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida’s surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 09, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 09, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-florida-officials-cut-key-data-from-vaccine-study/

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida’s surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.

That assumes that everyone who doesn't get the vaccine will contract the virus, and nobody who does get the vaccine will.  Those are both bad assumptions. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 09, 2023, 08:27:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 09, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/report-florida-officials-cut-key-data-from-vaccine-study/

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida’s surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.

That  article is a masterpiece of setting a narrative without providing any actual information.

In addition to zxcvbob's excellent point that the quoted statement imply that it's one risk or the other, (the vaccine or getting COVID) the fullness of time has proven that it's very possible to have both those conditions.  If you do, does the risk stack?

Also the article says: "The early drafts of the analysis obtained by the Times through a records request showed that catching COVID-19 could increase the chances of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the vaccine" without informing us of the underlying rate of cardiac disease for that age group, the increased rate for COVID, and the increased rate for the Vaccine.  Without that information the article is pretty meaningless. 

Either the numbers are so close that they are making a mountain out of a molehill, or they don't actually have the numbers.  Either way the only information that article manages to convey is not to trust the author.  And I'm one of the people who think the vaccine iwa the right choice for most Americans.

ETA:

I just noticed this on a reread:
Quote
The early drafts of the analysis obtained by the Times through a records request showed that catching COVID-19 could increase the chances of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the vaccine, but that information was missing from the final version put out by the Florida Department of Health last October.

Do they are mad because information they liked was edited from the report, with no indication if it was edited because FL wants to have a narrative,  or if it was edited because scientific rigor showed that information to be inaccurate once the study was completed.

And if this *expletive deleted*it was "obtained by the Times" why is it an AP byline?

And link the study AP. With the state of media theses days, lacking a primary source is a ticket to the round file. Overall this might as well be a random tweet as a news story. There is nothing of substance here.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 10, 2023, 12:24:36 AM
What I mostly seem to be seeing is that the "worship the science" folks seem to be carefully choosing/ignoring data that they like/don't approve of...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 13, 2023, 11:53:35 AM
Anyone else notice that the virus, which is doubtlessly mutating, has not had any new names given to it? I suspect that the media noticed that people were making fun of that...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on April 13, 2023, 05:02:30 PM
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XBB.1.16, dubbed “Arcturus” by variant trackers, is very similar to U.S. dominant “Kraken” XBB.1.5—the most transmissible COVID variant yet, Maria Van Kerkhove, COVID-19 technical lead for the WHO, said earlier this week at a news conference.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 13, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
The variants are out there, they're still being named.

The difference is that now that the White House/Fauchi etc. have stopped hammering the panic button it's no longer newsworthy according to the various government-aligned news organs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 13, 2023, 07:58:25 PM
It was just announced here in Idaho that for the two largest health providers, masks will no longer be required in medical facilities. I expect the rest will follow suit. Medical facilities were the last holdouts here on masking.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 13, 2023, 09:49:40 PM
I think Mayo Clinic just dropped their mask requirements at the end of March.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on April 13, 2023, 09:54:48 PM
Medical facilities around here have had requirements up and down for months but were down the last few times we visited.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 14, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Quote from: Ben on April 13, 2023, 07:58:25 PM
It was just announced here in Idaho that for the two largest health providers, masks will no longer be required in medical facilities. I expect the rest will follow suit. Medical facilities were the last holdouts here on masking.

Now let's see if California, Oregon and Washington follow Idaho's lead.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on April 14, 2023, 10:48:31 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 14, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Now let's see if California, Oregon and Washington follow Idaho's lead.
:rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 14, 2023, 11:09:44 AM
Just got an e-mail that my employer is dropping the corporate mandate that anyone entering one of our worksites be vaccinated, and be able to show proof of vaccination.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on April 14, 2023, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: K Frame on April 14, 2023, 11:09:44 AM
Just got an e-mail that my employer is dropping the corporate mandate that anyone entering one of our worksites be vaccinated, and be able to show proof of vaccination.

Thankfully my employer never required the jab.  Nor did my new employer.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on April 14, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on April 14, 2023, 11:15:20 AM
Thankfully my employer never required the jab.  Nor did my new employer.

My employer did, I think as a way of forcing-out employees.  They also made it very hard to comply with the policy even if you had the vaccines unless you loaded their vaccine passport app on your personal cellphone and used it to upload your PHI.  I saw that as a conflict of interest* and refused to do it, but I did manage upload the data w/o the app and w/o using any of my personal data equipment (cell phone camera, scanner, real digicam, etc) I had great reservations about even doing that because I don't trust them to keep the data secure.  OTOH, what harm would it do to me if that particular data got leaked and it would do great harm to their reputation.

*They were developing this app to sell to other companies, and by coercing employees into using it they boosted their installed user base stats significantly.  I mentioned this in their Slack channel and gave the procedure I used to get around it
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 14, 2023, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on April 14, 2023, 10:48:31 AM
:rofl:

How do you tell a healthcare worker in Washington state: They have several masks scattered around in their car so they can grab one and put it on before walking into work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 14, 2023, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 14, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Now let's see if California, Oregon and Washington follow Idaho's lead.

From what I read, both St Lukes and St Alphonsus are doing it in their facilities in OR. I don't know if they have any in WA.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 14, 2023, 04:34:30 PM
Well, given that I currently have acquired some form of Crud, probably from the idjit 20 year old who came to work sick, it is comforting to know that it might be Kraken. UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on April 14, 2023, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on April 14, 2023, 12:48:32 PM
How do you tell a healthcare worker in Washington state: They have several masks scattered around in their car so they can grab one and put it on before walking into work.

I was driving on I-66 (interstate in Virginia) on Wednesday and passed through a cloud of masks. Someone must have put a big box of them on the roof of their car and driven off. They hit the road and... masks everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 14, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
In my neighborhood... The hipsters are often masked, in order to show solidarity and virtue.
 
The other group tends to be older people, often minorities.
 
And we still have folks wearing Ninja hoods, sunglasses, hoodies and masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2023, 12:32:40 PM
California hit a church with a $1.2 million fine.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-california-church-fine-6daddfd8325e7d63b9828092a69eca8a

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/15/calif-church-fined-1-2m-for-breaking-covid-rules-how-much-were-these-dems-fined/

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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 16, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Interesting timing. Did the court wait for Newsom to finish his Red State Fascism Awareness tour before they brought the hammer down? Or is he still out there?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on April 18, 2023, 11:51:25 PM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749?guestAccessKey=c2800665-1256-40d6-b552-8b5c852517c2&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=040623

In the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, 2 US studies suggested that people hospitalized for COVID-19 had nearly 5 times the risk of 30-day mortality compared with those hospitalized for seasonal influenza.1,2 Since then, much has changed, including SARS-CoV-2 itself, clinical care, and population-level immunity; mortality from influenza may have also changed. This study assessed whether COVID-19 remains associated with higher risk of death compared with seasonal influenza in fall-winter 2022-2023.

the difference in mortality rates between COVID-19 and influenza appears to have decreased since early in the pandemic; death rates among people hospitalized for COVID-19 were 17% to 21% in 2020 vs 6% in this study, while death rates for those hospitalized for influenza were 3.8% in 2020 vs 3.7% in this study.1,2 The decline in death rates among people hospitalized for COVID-19 may be due to changes in SARS-CoV-2 variants, increased immunity levels (from vaccination and prior infection), and improved clinical care.5

The increased risk of death was greater among unvaccinated individuals compared with those vaccinated or boosted—findings that highlight the importance of vaccination in reducing risk of COVID-19 death.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 19, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
I would postulate that the death rate has decreased largely due to the "low hanging fruit" having already been picked. The tendency to intubate as initial therapy in some areas could have bumped those numbers. Couple that with less patient care due to healthcare workers not showing up due to media promulgated fear, caused a hump in the graph - but I suspect we're seeing a trough after the fact... I need to look harder...
 
I would also postulate that vaccinated/unvaccinated was only one of the potential differences... The vaccinated population quite likely was healthier/more affluent to begin with, more likely to pay attention to physicians/caregivers...
 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on April 19, 2023, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: Bogie on April 19, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
I would postulate that the death rate has decreased largely due to the "low hanging fruit" having already been picked. The tendency to intubate as initial therapy in some areas could have bumped those numbers. Couple that with less patient care due to healthcare workers not showing up due to media promulgated fear, caused a hump in the graph - but I suspect we're seeing a trough after the fact... I need to look harder...
 
I would also postulate that vaccinated/unvaccinated was only one of the potential differences... The vaccinated population quite likely was healthier/more affluent to begin with, more likely to pay attention to physicians/caregivers...

That was certainly not the case here.  It was pretty much all hands on deck in hospitals for all of 2020.  If they didn't show up, they got fired.

The biggest difference is likely that the later variants of COVID are less serious.  Which is how viral evolution normally works.  It gets more contagious but less severe over time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 20, 2023, 01:11:10 AM
We had hospitals here that were mostly shut down, and a lot of services were delayed or cancelled. I suspect that if someone had a heart attack while waiting, that went down as a Covid...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on April 28, 2023, 07:41:35 AM
Wow. Someone at CNN actually stood up and called out Randi Weingarten's lies about school closures.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1651778019277537282

https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp-313137/2023/04/28/scott-jennings-blasted-randi-weingarten-face-to-face-on-school-closings/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2023, 07:48:19 AM
And don't forget CNN was all for it at the time.
I'm sure they're hoping you don't remember that little detail.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 28, 2023, 09:18:04 AM
FWIW, had a nasty cold a couple of weeks ago, and still gackhing up chunkies... Not pneumonia, but a decent case of bronchitis that doesn't seem to want to leave...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2023, 02:45:47 PM
Quote from: Bogie on April 28, 2023, 09:18:04 AM
...a decent case of bronchitis that doesn't seem to want to leave...

Bronchitis never wants to leave. Gotta call a priest for that stuff.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on April 28, 2023, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: Bogie on April 28, 2023, 09:18:04 AM
FWIW, had a nasty cold a couple of weeks ago, and still gackhing up chunkies... Not pneumonia, but a decent case of bronchitis that doesn't seem to want to leave...
A coworker used to take an inhaler for that. 

He quit smoking the last couple years and his pretty much went away.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 28, 2023, 05:57:53 PM
Quitting smoking? That was 1984, the day before I reported for basic, and it wasn't tobacco...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Was talking to my neighbor who works at MSD (Metropolitan Sewer District) and he said they still have to take a COVID test every week. I was like What the....?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MrsSmith on April 28, 2023, 10:52:45 PM
Since I haven't shown up for dinner in a while, I missed the whole covid ranting I'm certain took place on here (and I don't have the energy at the moment to read back through 200-somthing posts/pages).
But since I'm here, I'll add my $.02.

I didn't get vaxed, I only wore a mask when I absolutely had to have something in a specific place that required it, never wore gloves, and I have not had so much as a sniffle since before the whole covid mess started.
Yep, I know plenty of people who tested positive (and a couple who died but with comorbidities), and yep, I live 15 miles from the smallest bit of civilization and 30 miles from a slightly bigger bit of civilization, and yep, I kept up my normally curmudgeonly hermit ways because people annoy the f*** out of me. But still.
Let me go out on a limb here and state that stupidity and sheep-like mentality was the real pandemic. THREE years later and I still see people riding down the road, alone in their vehicle, wearing a flippin' mask.  :facepalm:

Though I have had to wonder this past couple years if there might have been something in the "preventative measure" doses (we need a vaccine icon) that altered the mentality of everyone under the age of 40 who received it. Based on the complete lack of work ethic, the overzealous sense of entitlement and the whiny-crybaby-sniveling-wounded attitude of an entire generation that's evolved in the past couple years, and don't even get me started on the whole pronoun thing. (With the exception of Rambo, Jocassee and others here of your generation I know to be solid citizens and human beings.)

Seriously, WTF is going on with people these days? Every business I know of (seriously, every single one of my advertisers and every business owner I know) is short-staffed and can't find employees who actually show up and want to work. And yet, the housing market has skyrocketed. How can houses be selling above asking price the day they're listed when most businesses are seriously understaffed, which means people aren't working.

Local folks will post on the community FB page asking for someone to come help them with stuff around the house like cutting grass or hauling stuff off and when they offer $15-$20/hour, they get scathing comments about wanting slave labor. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I remember an age when I'd have been GRATEFUL to make $20/hour.

And don't even get me started on supply chain issues.   

The only thing I'm certain of, is that this whole mess was an exercise in how to topple and divide this country in under a month. Mission accomplished. And you can bet many in power this past few years took careful notes and this WILL happen again on a much larger scale.

Yeah, I know, thread veer. I might be a little pissed off at the moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 28, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
We need a LIKE button.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2023, 12:37:58 AM
Covid only revealed how weak and empty-headed Americans have become, since we abandoned the proper regard for God in our lives. This has been building for a long time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on April 29, 2023, 01:34:17 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on April 28, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
We need a LIKE button.

I believe that we can enable just such a feature.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on April 29, 2023, 01:41:10 AM
Nope, I was wrong.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 29, 2023, 06:15:15 AM
Quote from: WLJ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Was talking to my neighbor who works at MSD (Metropolitan Sewer District) and he said they still have to take a COVID test every week. I was like What the....?

When a bureaucracy starts doing something, it is almost impossible to stop.
 
no wonder we're paying major cash for that service. I think that my sewer bill is bigger than my electric some months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on April 29, 2023, 06:20:28 AM
And I had the crud a couple of weeks ago. Still gackhing, still short of breath, but I can't take time off. Not that I don't have banked time off - If I take time off, someone else has to cover. And there isn't that someone else who isn't also strung out...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on April 29, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Quote from: MrsSmith on April 28, 2023, 10:52:45 PM


Though I have had to wonder this past couple years if there might have been something in the "preventative measure" doses (we need a vaccine icon) that altered the mentality of everyone under the age of 40 who received it. Based on the complete lack of work ethic, the overzealous sense of entitlement and the whiny-crybaby-sniveling-wounded attitude of an entire generation that's evolved in the past couple years, and don't even get me started on the whole pronoun thing. (With the exception of Rambo, Jocassee and others here of your generation I know to be solid citizens and human beings.)

Seriously, WTF is going on with people these days? Every business I know of (seriously, every single one of my advertisers and every business owner I know) is short-staffed and can't find employees who actually show up and want to work. And yet, the housing market has skyrocketed. How can houses be selling above asking price the day they're listed when most businesses are seriously understaffed, which means people aren't working.


This started long before covid. I recall hearing other parents saying their kids just don't want to get a job and move out for the last fifteen years.

Quote from: MrsSmith on April 28, 2023, 10:52:45 PM
Yeah, I know, thread veer. I might be a little pissed off at the moment.

I've a sneaking suspicion this started long before covid as well.   :rofl:
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Post by: MrsSmith on April 29, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 29, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
I've a sneaking suspicion this started long before covid as well.   :rofl:

That could possibly be a correct suspicion.  :rofl:

And yes, we do need a like button!

I know a lot of this started before covid, but seems like covid amplified a lot of it too. Read an interesting article a while back that traced a lot of this whiny-sniveling back to 2012. I'll see if I can find it and share it. A very LONG read, but a very interesting one as well.

I love my kids, of course, and for the most part they're decent human beings. But all three have developed some strains of the millennial flu. In the last three years, I've been accused of being racist because I defended my brother for posting a humorous meme about how long before we're no longer allowed to sort our laundry by colors and whites. I've been accused of microaggressions because of my facial expressions when speaking - don't like my micro-aggressiveness? You'll most certainly be offended by the macro version! And one hasn't been speaking to me for the past two years because I allowed the public school to hold him back in 6th grade (after an entire school year of trying to force him to do his homework and study for tests) and therefore I ruined his self-esteem and his life ever since. No matter that public schools (at least at that time) didn't give the parents a choice in the matter, or that he's been on his own as an adult nearly as long as he was under my roof. All blame for what he's sees as being wrong with his life is dumped on my doorstep.
Oh, and let's not forget that I don't treat him like an equal. When he refers to me while talking with his siblings, he uses my first name, rather than mom.

I've had to just stand back and let them make their own mistakes and hope that one day, their upbringing and common sense will kick back in. But it's a frustrating journey.

Quote from: Perd Hapley on April 29, 2023, 12:37:58 AM
Covid only revealed how weak and empty-headed Americans have become, since we abandoned the proper regard for God in our lives. This has been building for a long time.
Nailed it.
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Post by: MrsSmith on April 29, 2023, 10:03:08 AM
Found it.
Like I said, a very long read, but some interesting points.

https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls (https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls) 
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Post by: zahc on April 29, 2023, 12:02:26 PM
About the work ethic thing, it's best not to ignore the substantial structural changes to the economy and job markets that have occurred over the space of 1 or 2 generations. There are multiple factors that have basically upset the apple cart of the American dream. First, birth control changed the sexual dynamic and therefore the family dynamic and it's impossible to understate how big of a factor that is, since sex underpins pretty much everything else in society. That one's been working its way through the system over the last 50 years or so, spinning off social movements that by themselves would be major disruptive factors, such as women in the workplace simultaneously suppressing wages and devaluing work. All at the same time, the federal government sold our industry down the river to china completely gutting opportunities for the working class, while the people and educational "system" responded by spinning up an obligatory educational burden that didn't exist the same way a generation ago. All at the same time, the boomer generation destroyed the ability for young families to live in our cities and engineered a housing shortage that upcoming generations will have to pay the bill for.

Society is fragile and things like the job market rest on certain assumptions and dymanics. Such as, if I get a job I can afford food and shelter. If I can afford food and shelter, I can get a sexual partner. If I can get a sexual partner I can reproduce/support my children. If you remove these dynamics the house of cards falls. Many homeless people are working jobs but they would literally need to work 5 simultaneous blue collar jobs just to afford rent. The assumptions that previous generations had do not hold anymore. The most important being the sexual dynamic.  The kids aren't just lazy.
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Post by: MrsSmith on April 29, 2023, 05:52:45 PM
I’m not even going to get into women in the workplace. Yet. And I agree about our industry being sold down the river to China or third world countries where slave labor actually IS a thing.

However, that “obligatory educational burden” is a CHOICE that younger generations willingly accepted, when a less expensive and more practical avenue would have been training in skilled trades, which would have not only shored up our failing infrastructure, but also in the long term, strengthened our economy. Not to mention made responsible adults of them. But younger generations don’t WANT to work in the trades because it’s actual work, not sitting behind a desk with a $300 noose around your neck.

There was a time when an honest day’s work was a source of pride. But today’s youth show up with their phones in hand, refuse to take starting positions because the work’s too hard, want pay scales beyond their experience or skill level, and call out of work anytime it inconveniences their gaming marathon.

I don’t think “blue collar” means what you think it means. Blue collar is typically skilled labor – mechanics, builders, welders, sheet metal workers, etc. All of which pay very livable wages, even at the apprenticeship level. Those five jobs you’re referring to? Sure, if you’re talking about fast food, retail, or other jobs that are GREAT for teenagers, but were never intended to support a family of four. And you can't tell me people can't find jobs right now when every business I know of is short-handed and can't keep employees.

“The assumptions of the previous generations” – that’s the same of EVERY generation. The younger generations aren’t special in that regard either. We all have it different than our parents and grandparents did, regardless of what generation you are. That’s not a reason, that’s an excuse. As adults, we all have to adapt to societal norms of the time, or work our asses off to be able to pave our own way against the grain. 

Now. You wanna talk about women in the workplace?
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Post by: zahc on April 29, 2023, 07:28:30 PM
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However, that “obligatory educational burden” is a CHOICE that younger generations willingly accepted

The vast majority of jobs require college education now. That wasn't the case a generation or two ago. How is this caused by younger generations "willingly accepting" anything, when 65-75% of open jobs now require a bachelor's degree?

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Blue collar is typically skilled labor – mechanics, builders, welders, sheet metal workers, etc. All of which pay very livable wages, even at the apprenticeship level.


Citation needed. All available figures show that real wages have fallen even as costs have skyrocketed. Are you disputing that or just prefer to ignore it? Have you ever like, walked outside your door and seen the vast areas of industry, that previously employed hundreds of thousands of people, now gone and decaying into rust and weeds? Or at best, replaced by modern factories that employ 1/10 the number of people? This is a massive structural change.

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As adults, we all have to adapt to societal norms of the time

They are literally doing that.

And yes, I would be interested in hearing your perspective about women in the workplace.
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Post by: sumpnz on April 29, 2023, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: fifth_column on April 29, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
This started long before covid. I recall hearing other parents saying their kids just don't want to get a job and move out for the last fifteen years.

I've a sneaking suspicion this started long before covid as well.   :rofl:

My kids know that once graduated from high school they have 3 options.  College, get a jobs that supports themselves, or I take them to the military recruiters.
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Post by: zxcvbob on April 30, 2023, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: MrsSmith on April 29, 2023, 05:52:45 PM
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Now. You wanna talk about women in the workplace?

Women should have access to the workplace, but it shouldn't take 2 incomes to raise a family. Choosing to stay home and raise the children and run the household is an honorable calling.  I don't know when exactly the rules changed but I believe around 1970; before that a couple applying for an home loan could only use one income (presumably the man's ) to qualify for a loan.  That was discriminatory against married women, but was it really?  That rule suppressed housing prices.  Once two incomes could be used to qualify for a home loan, prices skyrocketed.  The older generation who already owned their homes made out like bandits (but only if they sold; I bet a lot of them got screwed by property taxes), and now 2 incomes are required to buy a house.  Staying home isn't really a choice anymore, and singles were priced completely out of the market.
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Post by: MechAg94 on April 30, 2023, 12:58:29 AM
I wouldn't say two incomes are required, but it depends on how large of a house you want.  You need to have a decent income.  Hell, these days you need a decent income just to afford rent. 

A lot of the problem I see is kids don't know what jobs are out there.  And they don't know how to do some basic preparation to get their foot in the door for better jobs.  Where I am, the local community college has 1 or 2 year degree programs for process operations along with instrumentation/electrical stuff that can help you get started working in chemical plants.  I grew up a couple hours away and had no idea what those jobs were.  I guess the military has been a good way to bridge that and learn about more than you learned at home.
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Post by: sumpnz on April 30, 2023, 01:03:21 AM
We own a 2800sf house with a 1200sf detached garage on almost 5 acres in the Puget Sound.  My wife has worked about 2 weeks since we got married over 20 years ago.

It’s all about the choices you make.  I’ll grant there was some luck in terms of timing as we bought at the bottom after the financial crisis, and no way (even with the better salary from my new job) we could afford to buy this same property today if we were otherwise in the same position as in 2010.
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Post by: K Frame on April 30, 2023, 08:53:45 AM
"I’ll grant there was some luck in terms of timing as we bought at the bottom after the financial crisis, and no way (even with the better salary from my new job) we could afford to buy this same property today if we were otherwise in the same position as in 2010."

Same for me. My ex and I bought the place I'm in now in 1993 near the bottom of the real estate dip here in Washington, DC, metro. After we split we were underwater in the place so she just walked away and signed it over to me. Scary as hell. There were a few times when I was really worried about being able to keep the place.

Now in 2023, even with my current salary, which is nearly 6 times what I was making in 1993, I wouldn't be able to afford this place. No way in hell.

But, I'm also sitting on equity that is roughly 3 to 4 times what I owe on the mortgage.

Yep, I got lucky as all hell.
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Post by: dogmush on April 30, 2023, 12:09:18 PM
Sometimes you make your own luck. 

Mrs. Mush and I looked at the housing market in 2012 and thought we had a shot to buy way more house then we would otherwise be able to.  We moved some money around, rolled the market dice and ate ramen for about 4 months until we got renters into our old place, but it's worked out for us.  We also wouldn't have been able to jump at the opportunity if we had needed a full 20% down or PMI, but hey, Gen Z can go get that VA underwriting just like I did.  How does one say "I hope the house is worth it" in Ukrainian?

Sure, it's challenging to start out as an adult now.  Way more so than in the 70's, but there are also PLENTY of opportunities out there for a young adult that can lead to home ownership and comfortable living in 10-15 years.  It make take sacrifices you would prefer not to make, but that's certainly not a new thing.  It's not even that hard, it just takes work and commitment.

Before zahc spins up again, I'm a quarter century into my working life, and we've only really been "comfy" for 8 or so years.  We had to make some choices early on and live with the outcomes, but both my wife and I pretty consistently look to constantly better ourselves, and it turns out that people will pay for that if you succeed in getting better.  Admittedly, kids would have required different choices, but the same theory applies.
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Post by: sumpnz on April 30, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
Oh, I might add that we had 2 kids when we bought this property and had 2 more within 3 years afterwards.  If we hadn’t had the extra 2 kids we’d be a year away from empty nesting now.  As it is the youngest won’t be out of high school for 8 more years.  Be nice to have them off the payroll but at least the first 2 are getting close to that point.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 30, 2023, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on April 30, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
Oh, I might add that we had 2 kids when we bought this property and had 2 more within 3 years afterwards.  If we hadn’t had the extra 2 kids we’d be a year away from empty nesting now.  As it is the youngest won’t be out of high school for 8 more years.  Be nice to have them off the payroll but at least the first 2 are getting close to that point.


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: Bogie on April 30, 2023, 08:10:13 PM
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
Send your kids to car school.
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Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 30, 2023, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Bogie on April 30, 2023, 08:10:13 PM
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
Send your kids to cartrade school.

FTFY
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Post by: dogmush on April 30, 2023, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: Bogie on April 30, 2023, 08:10:13 PM
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
Send your kids to car school.

There's overhead there  though, don't forget.  But you can make a good living wrenching, if you are good, and work hard.

Around here ASE certified techs working for a dealer or big shop can pretty steadily make $1500-$2000 a week through the magic of flat rate billing. Now you are probably working 60ish hours a week, and busting your hump, but it can be done.


Now ask what my friend who is a commercial diver and has an underwater welding certificate makes.
You are correct, there's a good living to be made in learning a trade.
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Post by: MechAg94 on May 01, 2023, 09:06:12 AM
I imagine that money depends on working at a dealer that has lots of work.

You can also make good money working on big compressors at chemical plants and refineries.  Most plants do not keep enough of their own mechanics around to do the overhauls.  Might involve travel.  High voltage electrical has the potential to make some huge money depending on how far you want to go.  The guys who know the high voltage control systems do well.  Like a lot of trades, you have to work hard and learn. 

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Post by: dogmush on May 01, 2023, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 01, 2023, 09:06:12 AM
I imagine that money depends on working at a dealer that has lots of work.
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Dealer or big shop.  In Tampa there's a pretty big shortage of car techs, so pretty much all of them are backed up with work. A tech working flat rate and hustling can make bank.
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Post by: MrsSmith on May 01, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: zahc on April 29, 2023, 07:28:30 PM
The vast majority of jobs require college education now. That wasn't the case a generation or two ago. How is this caused by younger generations "willingly accepting" anything, when 65-75% of open jobs now require a bachelor's degree?

Cite sources please. Just a quick search of Indeed shows most jobs requiring degrees are actually jobs that NEED degrees, such as veterinarian, IT specialist, or with companies like Gulfstream, and the like. But there are countless positions available that request "degree or equivalent work experience." And none of the trades positions open list college degrees as a requirement.

Quote from: zahc on April 29, 2023, 07:28:30 PM
Citation needed. All available figures show that real wages have fallen even as costs have skyrocketed. Are you disputing that or just prefer to ignore it? Have you ever like, walked outside your door and seen the vast areas of industry, that previously employed hundreds of thousands of people, now gone and decaying into rust and weeds? Or at best, replaced by modern factories that employ 1/10 the number of people? This is a massive structural change.
 

https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2019/article/apprenticeships-outlook-wages-update.htm (https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2019/article/apprenticeships-outlook-wages-update.htm) - granted, the latest statistics available are five years old (when we had a conservative administration in the White House). But it clearly shows that even at the apprenticeship level, a livable wage is paid. And then, when you move up to journeyman, buying a house becomes more feasible. And like the others have said - starting out as a young adult, you have to work hard to move up the ladder, save money, and make sacrifices along the way.

I have many local friends and business associates who work at management levels in skilled trades and all of them are struggling to get younger generations interested in their fields. A local trade association I run is currently working with local public school systems and local technical colleges to develop trades programs and determine how to attract kids to these programs. The problem reported at every monthly meeting for the past several years is that half the kids (17 - 30) who actually show up for the interview won't take the job, and half of those who do, work a couple months and quit. Even if offered training to allow them to advance their salary. 

No, I have not seen vast areas of industry decaying into rust and weeds, but I live in a rural area that's rapidly being overtaken by new industry buying up what was previously farmland, while local residents fight the county commissioners trying to prevent it from being rezoned from agriculture/residential to industrial. 

I'm not an economist and can't claim to understand why/how the housing market has sky-rocketed. Clearly SOMEONE out there is earning enough money to buy overpriced houses, though I'm not sure what's going to happen if the market ever turns around and that house someone paid $400K for is suddenly only worth $200K and they still owe $300K on it. But that's not only impacting the younger generations - that's impacting everyone.

I have to get back to work. I'll come back to women in the workplace.  >:D
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Post by: zahc on May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.
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Post by: dogmush on May 01, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM
if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Except none of that is true.

Two salaried professionals can generally afford a house within commuting distance of pretty much anywhere in the US
Not every high paying job requires a degree, and further many high paying jobs that do need a degree are gotten with affordable degrees.

Lower paying entry level positions frequently open doors to subsided training and further opportunities for advancement.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 01, 2023, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

Weird. What I read her as saying is that there are plenty of opportunities for training and work in trade jobs that can lead to a good income, but not enough applicants for those slots. She did say something about working hard and making sacrifices, but isn't that usually required of people who want to have a good income?
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Post by: sumpnz on May 01, 2023, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor.  All but very few use such jobs to gain work experience or use the income to pay for living expenses while being trained for skilled (ie much better paying) jobs.  Besides, minimum wage laws only really serve to price out young and especially minority unskilled people keeping them off the first rung of the ladder.  Minimum wage should be $0 (partly because that’s really what it is anyway) because it shouldn’t be illegal for someone to agree to work for less when their labor really is worth less.  Then as they acquire more valuable skills their income rises, either by being paid more by their employer or by switching to a different employer that will increase their pay.

I was disappointed in my cumulative pay raises over the last several years so I looked for and was offered a different job at a significantly higher salary.  Eventually the clearance will come through and I’ll be able to start that job.  It’s what you do in this economy.  Or you make the decision to accept the substandard pay rate to get some other benefit (perhaps intangible) from the job.

But to try to say that a stagnant minimum wage rate is to blame for dual professional couples supposedly being being unable to afford housing is disingenuous at best.
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Post by: Ben on May 01, 2023, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on May 01, 2023, 12:54:50 PM
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor. 

The minimum wage in Idaho is $7.25. There may be some people getting it, but I've never seen a job advertised at that rate. I have seen burger flipper jobs here advertised at $14-$16/hr, and even in my podunk town, the local diner was advertising part time help starting at $12. I doubt the owners make more than $20/hr themselves.

Plus the Home Despot I go to always has a sign out front hiring different positions at $16-$20/hr starting pay, part and full time. If the story I told a while back about the kids my siding guy was stuck with when he did my shop siding holds, it seems like part time jobs might be increasing because the kids don't want to work full time hours. Or if the kids he used are an indication, they want full time pay for a few hours a day of work, and they get to pick the hours.
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Post by: zahc on May 01, 2023, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on May 01, 2023, 12:54:50 PM
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor. 

Economies are interacting systems. When the government subsidizes something, it impacts everything in that sector or indeed the whole economy. Failure to recognize this is one of, if not the key conceptual failures that lead to the greatest tragedies of market manipulation.

If you are going to argue that minimum wage doesn't impact the labor market we are at an impasse because it's obvious that it does. The people who support it know that it does or they wouldn't support it. Those who oppose it know that it does, or they wouldn't oppose it.

General wages are effectively indexed off of minimum wage. In my direct experience, changes to minimum wage result in an immediate impact all the way up through the pay scale. Higher wages lag of course, and the minimum wage increase itself is inflationary, with the typical result of squeezing the middle class wages.

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All but very few use such jobs to gain work experience or use the income to pay for living expenses while being trained for skilled (ie much better paying) jobs. 

And...those things aren't important? They don't matter for the economy or people's individual situations?

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Besides, minimum wage laws only really serve to price out young and especially minority unskilled people keeping them off the first rung of the ladder.  Minimum wage should be $0 (partly because that’s really what it is anyway) because it shouldn’t be illegal for someone to agree to work for less when their labor really is worth less.

I agree completely. We are discussing the real world and the real US economy, and not a theoretical world. Here in the real world, minimum wage has been law of the land for over 85 years.

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Two salaried professionals can generally afford a house within commuting distance of pretty much anywhere in the US

For certain definitions of salary, certain definitions of "house", and certain definitions of "commuting distance" and certain definitions of "anywhere", true. All of these factors are changing unfavorably. People are moving around the country at an unprecedented rate trying to find those high paying jobs with affordable houses within reasonable commute distances.

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Not every high paying job requires a degree

I never said they did. I said "more jobs than ever before, including modestly paying jobs which previously didn't" require degrees. And costs of education have also increased massively. Which is indisputable.

Because you can fond a counterexample is not an argument that a trend doesn't exist.

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Post by: Bogie on May 01, 2023, 03:14:50 PM
Some HR folks are listing degrees as necessary whether they are or not. These are the same folks who require 5 yrs experience with Windoze 11...
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Post by: dogmush on May 01, 2023, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: zahc on May 01, 2023, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: dogmush
Not every high paying job requires a degree

I never said they did. I said "more jobs than ever before, including modestly paying jobs which previously didn't" require degrees. And costs of education have also increased massively. Which is indisputable.

Because you can fond a counterexample is not an argument that a trend doesn't exist.

You one hundred percent did say that.  I quoted it.  Here, I'll quote it again:

Quote from: zahc on May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

As for the other part of my rebuttal that you quoted:  Sure you can't automagically live wherever you want with two professional salaries, nor can you buy any home you might like.  But that's not what you said.  You said "two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area", and that is almost universally untrue in America unless you consider "their area" to be within walking or biking distance of their jobs.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
CDC Annual Conference on COVID Turns Into a COVID Superspreader

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2023/05/03/cdc-annual-conference-on-covid-turns-into-a-covid-superspreader-n1692256
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 05, 2023, 04:34:05 AM
Here in St. Louis, we've seen a few areas where folks from other places, like Hong Kong, NYC, etc., have seriously skewed real estate prices...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on May 05, 2023, 10:08:56 PM
New study seems to indicate a reason for heart problems in younger men that got the shot(s).

https://news.yahoo.com/small-study-finds-possible-clues-200221754.html

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An overactive immune response to the mRNA Covid vaccines may be the culprit in rare cases of heart inflammation seen in some young men after they receive the shot, a small study published Friday in the journal Science Immunology suggests.

The study was based on 23 patients ages 13 to 21 who developed myocarditis after their second dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine. An analysis of blood samples from nine of these patients — all of whom had gotten Pfizer — found elevated cytokine levels.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MrsSmith on May 06, 2023, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on May 05, 2023, 10:08:56 PM
New study seems to indicate a reason for heart problems in younger men that got the shot(s).

https://news.yahoo.com/small-study-finds-possible-clues-200221754.html

Cytokines are associated with inflammation - I wonder what this might mean for those with chronic inflammatory diseases.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on May 06, 2023, 10:07:39 AM
I've seen theories that cytokine storms are one of the primary reasons why the Spanish Flu epidemic tended to kill young healthy people at a FAR greater rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 11, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Now we have a customer that comes in wearing a mask, removes it upon entry, then dons it before he leaves.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 11:38:47 AM

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Global Supply Chains Now Have Spare Capacity for the First Time Since June 2020 as 10 Months of Subdued Demand, Inventory De-Stocking and High Interest Rates Bite: GEP Global Supply Chain Volatility Index

Lots of graphs for you nerds. Sadly, no Venn diagrams for dull-witted vice-presidents.  =(
https://www.gep.com/knowledge-bank/global-supply-chain-volatility-index
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2023, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 11:38:47 AM
Sadly, no Venn diagrams for dull-witted vice-presidents.  =(

He'll make his own up
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on May 22, 2023, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 11, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Now we have a customer that comes in wearing a mask, removes it upon entry, then dons it before he leaves.

Pollen allergies?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: WLJ on May 22, 2023, 11:41:08 AM
He'll make his own up

I was thinking of the other dull-witted veep.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2023, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 12:04:52 PM
I was thinking of the other dull-witted veep.

Yeah her too. Vice for some reason bounce off my brain
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 12:32:39 PM
It's OK. It's not as if he's really the president. He doesn't seem to believe it himself.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 22, 2023, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2023, 12:32:39 PM
It's OK. It's not as if he's really the president. He doesn't seem to believe it himself.

Biden hasn't been the same since his 2020 Senate run
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 23, 2023, 01:55:39 PM
This week, we had a couple of repeat customers come in, and spend about a grand. Each.
 
We have taken to calling them the Bimmer Boyz.
 
They wear all black. They have on full head, except for the eyes, ninja masks.
 
They are visibly armed... VERY visibly armed. This week, one of 'em had a Glock with a drum mag tucked under his arm...
 
My reaction?
 
"Hey, I know you can afford a holster - be discreet!"
 
The guy laughed. He once walked in with a .300 BO pistol stuffed down the front of his pants.
 
But those masks are just fine...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 23, 2023, 04:42:20 PM
^^^So what are they buying?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on May 23, 2023, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 23, 2023, 04:42:20 PM
^^^So what are they buying?

I'm guessing tire shine.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 23, 2023, 09:14:51 PM
The one I was dealing with spent about a grand on struts, control arms, etc... Not sure what the other guy bought.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 24, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
Oh, St. Louis still has its Covid dashboard up...
 
Probably paying some relative of the mayor to run it.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
 
You can click on the graphs to modify how the data is presented...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 24, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.

Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 24, 2023, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 24, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.

Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.

Plus, if there was no WiFi and crappy cell service, I couldn't bring up the menu on the phone anyway.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: gunsmith on May 24, 2023, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 24, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.

Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.
I've never seen that here in Reno, bur I do not eat at restaurants much anymore .
Good thing too, I do not know how to do that anyway
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Nick1911 on May 24, 2023, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: Ben on May 24, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
I see that the nationwide trend is for restaurants to, finally, go back to regular menus instead of "scan the barcode and use your phone" menus.

Those barcode menus were a pain in my ass to navigate on the little phone screen, especially if it was a larger menu with lots of items.

I haven't run into that either.  I don't eat out a whole lot, but I'd figure enough to have seen something like that.  I wonder if it's regional?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 06:50:45 AM
Having lunch today at a restaurant that still does the COVID menus.

Fortunately I have the same thing every time I'm there so I don't need to mess with that crap.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2023, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: Nick1911 on May 24, 2023, 11:13:50 PM
I wonder if it's regional?

Most certainly. Here, I saw it almost exclusively in the Boise metro. "Exclusively" as in, that's the only place I saw it, not that it was the only option. Elsewhere, even the "hip" restaurants and brewpubs still had normal menus.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Tuco on May 25, 2023, 09:45:29 PM
Hostess:  May I have your cell number
Me: No
Hostess: We need to text you when your table's ready
Me: I left my phone at home - I'll need a paper menu also.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2023, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: Tuco on May 25, 2023, 09:45:29 PM
Hostess:  May I have your cell number
Me: No
Hostess: We need to text you when your table's ready
Me: I left my phone at home - I'll need a paper menu also.

"I see sir, you're lost again.  You are looking for the Denny's down the street.  Make sure to ask for the Senior menu"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on May 26, 2023, 08:54:17 AM
I was kind of surprised...

Restaurant gave us real menus yesterday. None of this "scan the code on the table" that they had been doing.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 26, 2023, 08:58:16 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/25/false-claim-ventilators-blamed-for-most-covid-19-deaths-fact-check/70234380007/

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682/pdf

Ventilators were not killing Covid patients after all.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 26, 2023, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 26, 2023, 08:58:16 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/25/false-claim-ventilators-blamed-for-most-covid-19-deaths-fact-check/70234380007/

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682/pdf

Ventilators were not killing Covid patients after all.

 [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
That's what they want you to believe
 [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2023, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 26, 2023, 10:41:46 AM
[tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
That's what they want you to believe
 [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]

Put this heretic on the ventilator.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2023, 12:34:03 PM
Hey man, it's a free country.

If folks really think that vents do more harm than good, I encourage them to annotate in their living will that they don't trust vents, or a Dr's ability to decide they are needed, and no matter what, they are not to be ventilated.  Make sure your family understands your wishes.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on May 26, 2023, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2023, 12:34:03 PM
Hey man, it's a free country.

If folks really think that vents do more harm than good, I encourage them to annotate in their living will that they don't trust vents, or a Dr's ability to decide they are needed, and no matter what, they are not to be ventilated.  Make sure your family understands your wishes.

The risk manager would appreciate it if this document was witnessed and notarized, too. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 27, 2023, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on May 26, 2023, 08:58:16 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/25/false-claim-ventilators-blamed-for-most-covid-19-deaths-fact-check/70234380007/

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682/pdf

Ventilators were not killing Covid patients after all.

“Nearly all COVID-19 patients who died in hospital during the early phase of the pandemic were killed as a direct result of being put on a ventilator, a disturbing new report has concluded,” the article begins.  [their use of quotation marks, not mine]

Notice this is the claim the Fact Checker™ says is false.  Nearly all.  Also, "direct result".  They refute that, and implies that few or even none of the Covid-19 patients were killed by misuse of the ventilators.  It's bad fact-checking and bad journalism again.  Take an over-stated claim and refute that, and by implication anyone who believes there might be some truth in there is a gullible idiot.

I downloaded the JCI report and am trying to read it.  It's written in technical English with a lot of jargon I don't understand (that's fine, I'm not the intended reader,) but it looks like the ventilators may have been a secondary cause of death rather than primary.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't; without the ventilator the patient dies, with the ventilator the patient gets bacterial pneumonia and dies because the ventilator is used for so long.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Tuco on May 27, 2023, 10:02:42 AM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2023, 08:43:47 AM
"I see sir, you're lost again.  You are looking for the Denny's down the street.  Make sure to ask for the Senior menu"
What? Huh!?!
Can't ya speak up!?!
 :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: zxcvbob on May 27, 2023, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: dogmush on May 26, 2023, 12:34:03 PM
Hey man, it's a free country.

If folks really think that vents do more harm than good, I encourage them to annotate in their living will that they don't trust vents, or a Dr's ability to decide they are needed, and no matter what, they are not to be ventilated.  Make sure your family understands your wishes.

Don't you think maybe questioning the ventilator protocols used at the time that seems correlated to so many deaths is a good thing?  Perhaps the ventilators were needed but they used them incorrectly out of ignorance.  Or once ventilator therapy was started, steroids or Remdesivir should not be given.  Or they need different prophylactic antibiotics.  I'm glad someone is studying it and hope it doesn't just degenerate into a "we conducted a thorough examination of ourselves and determined that we did nothing wrong"
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on May 27, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
“Nearly all COVID-19 patients who died in hospital during the early phase of the pandemic were killed as a direct result of being put on a ventilator, a disturbing new report has concluded,”

Think we're running into the same issue as "Died from COVID" vs "Died with COVID"

Did these people died  because they were put on ventilators or after they were put on ventilators? Due to a shortage of ventilators only the most critical and thus the most likely to die would be put on ventilators. Looking at the numbers out of context after the fact I can see how this could give someone the impression the problem is with the ventilators
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 27, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: zxcvbob on May 27, 2023, 10:39:48 AM
Don't you think maybe questioning the ventilator protocols used at the time that seems correlated to so many deaths is a good thing?  Perhaps the ventilators were needed but they used them incorrectly out of ignorance.  Or once ventilator therapy was started, steroids or Remdesivir should not be given.  Or they need different prophylactic antibiotics.  I'm glad someone is studying it and hope it doesn't just degenerate into a "we conducted a thorough examination of ourselves and determined that we did nothing wrong"

Sure, but we did that questioning when this particular farcical theory popped up back in 2020.  I read up on how ventilators work, I am lucky enough to have a wife and several friends that work in ICU's in several hospitals in the region and professionally use Vents before during and after the COVID waves so I got to talk to them about this as well as reading technical papers. Hospitals, Doctors, and panels with significantly more technical knowledge that I also did that questioning.  The answers were already found.

Ventilators are not super new and experimental tech.  There are folks that have lived on vents for literally decades.  The idea that COVID makes your lungs somehow more likely to be damaged by mechanical ventilation, or that huge numbers of health care workers were being outsmarted by a pretty common piece of hospital gear doesn't stand up to even a little it of reasonable research.
THis was one of those theories put forward so that people could pretend that Wave 1 of COVID-19 wasn't killing the numbers it was.  It was pretty obvious this was a BS theory by sep or so of 2020, and I've seen no new data to indicate a change in that status.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2023, 11:29:58 AM
Man, she is an awful, awful woman:

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Randi Weingarten 🇺🇦🇺🇸💪🏿👩‍🎓
@rweingarten
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Sadly, not a surprise based on prior research… When will we learn? School closing does nothing for the kids in the closed schools.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/05/29/randi-weingarten-complaining-about-school-closures-hurting-kids-no-really-backfires-spectacularly/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on May 30, 2023, 12:29:55 PM
Vents do come with a risk, however... And early on, in at least some places, they were using them on every presented patient. Why?
 
"You can filter out the virus from the exhalations. It's safer for our brave front line workers."
 
What do  you think they'll use to try to shut down the economy the next time?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2023, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: Bogie on May 30, 2023, 12:29:55 PM
Vents do come with a risk, however... And early on, in at least some places, they were using them on every presented patient. Why?*
 
"You can filter out the virus from the exhalations. It's safer for our brave front line workers."
 
What do  you think they'll use to try to shut down the economy the next time?

*Citation Needed
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2023, 04:23:20 PM
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/05/30/the-medical-field-is-erasing-its-own-covid-era-history-n554277

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More than 300 COVID-19-related articles have been retracted — long after they’d done their damage — due to a lack of scientific truthfulness and ethical guidelines, according to Retraction Watch, a website that monitors retractions of science-related articles.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2023, 04:23:20 PM
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/05/30/the-medical-field-is-erasing-its-own-covid-era-history-n554277

Not trying to assume your motivations here, but did you read the list of retracted papers?  Because they seemed to be the more fringey stuff, not masks and lock downs.

There were 18 hits on a ctrl+F "Ivermectin" search and the first five retracted Ivermectin papers were all positive towards the drug as treatment or prevention of COVID. The vaccine hits were retracting papers linking vaccines to things like myocarditis, spontaneous abortions, allergic reactions and other cardiac events.

A couple of retracted papers on the efficacy of traditional Chinese medicine.

One on the effectiveness of diaphragmatic breathing relaxation training for improving sleep quality among nursing staff during the COVID-19 outbreak.

At least one retracted paper on the usefulness of Vitamin D to treat COVID.


Stuff like that.  Not really what the Hot Air article seemed to be implying.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2023, 05:29:32 PM
What they're implying, or saying, is that "follow the science" was bad advice. A lot of the science was shoddy, and is now being retracted. That becomes more clear if you go back into other articles they're citing, aside from just the list:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2023/05/28/unfollow-the-science-300-covid-articles-pulled-many-over-lack-of-ethical-standards-n1698691

https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-300-covid-19-papers-withdrawn-for-not-meeting-standards-of-scientific-soundness_5293140.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
Follow the science always included reading at least the abstract of whatever you were espousing,  not just some blog about it.

Saying that 300 papers were retracted,  most of which seem to be in pre-publication anyway is not the own you and those articles seem to think it is.  Basically those articles say that everyone that globbed on to a non reviewed paper that seemed to support whatever new miracle drug, vitamin, or correlation on treatment reactions was wrong and jumping to conclusions. As much as I despise the man, the retracted articles aren't the Fauci side of the argument.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 31, 2023, 05:12:04 PM
Oh, so you’re just going to go ahead with the motivation-assumption, then. I didn’t say anything about owning anyone.

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Follow the science always included reading at least the abstract of whatever you were espousing,  not just some blog about it.

Not so much. “Follow the science,” in most cases, meant “do as you’re told, and stop questioning the approved narrative.” And that is the way I used it, above.

As I said, the article cited other sources besides the list of retracted studies. For example:

https://lens.monash.edu/@medicine-health/2022/10/17/1385133/retraction-inaction-how-the-pandemic-has-exposed-frailties-in-scientific-publishing

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Three significant examples

Those big three examples of suspected fraudulent or unverifiable data comprise the bulk of the citations for the 212 retracted papers. They are:

•   A paper published in The Lancet in May 2020 claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine increased the chances of death from COVID-19 at a time when the drug was largely untested. The paper was retracted after two weeks.

•   A paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine in May 2020 claiming a link between heart disease and an increased risk of death from COVID-19, but with no elevated risk from certain heart drugs previously thought to be harmful. This paper was retracted after five weeks.

•   A preprint paper published in April 2020 claiming a link between COVID-19 deaths and low Vitamin D, in SSRN Electronic Journal, which despite using bogus data and mysterious authors was cited by the British Medical Journal and the British Heart Foundation, and reported as a media story by The Sun (UK) and The Daily Mail. This paper was removed after two months.


“With COVID,” says McDonald, “we saw this push to get information out quickly, and with many more people doing and rapidly publishing COVID research, there’s been a spike in retractions. The number of retracted COVID publications is now more than 250. It’s true there was definitely a need to get information out there, but in doing so publishing processes were often compromised.”

Medical journals became vulnerable to haste. 

That's medical journals - not whatever blog it is you're talking about.

And another source for the article:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-300-covid-19-papers-withdrawn-for-not-meeting-standards-of-scientific-soundness_5293140.html
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Some 90,000 to 300,000 COVID-19 papers have been lodged since the start of the pandemic, dwarfing that of other pandemics “by orders of magnitude”.
An investigation by Monash University reported that even after papers were retracted, they continued to be cited.

“Among the more than 270,000 COVID-19 papers that have been lodged online since the start of the pandemic, 212 retracted papers investigated were cited 2,697 times, a median of seven times per paper,” the university said in Oct. 2022.

And a third one:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2023/05/28/unfollow-the-science-300-covid-articles-pulled-many-over-lack-of-ethical-standards-n1698691
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The lion’s share of these articles was released in smaller publications, but the prestigious Lancet got nailed a few times as well.

FACT-O-RAMA! The Lancet used fraudulent research when stating that hydroxychloroquine caused an increased risk of heart arrhythmia and even death in patients with COVID-19. This publication was eventually retracted but not until the Norwegian government and the World Health Organization (WHO) used this article as a reason to stop their research into the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine on COVID. Both have since resumed testing.

A paper published by the University of Manchester “found” that COVID was associated with vertigo, hearing loss, and tinnitus. Two years later they did a 180 and admitted that they assumed this to be the case.

“We know that viruses such as measles, mumps, and meningitis can damage the auditory system,” lead author Dr Anisa Visram stated. “It is also well known that COVID-19 can affect our sense of smell and taste, so it was reasonable to assume it might also affect our sense of hearing.”

Another reason many COVID papers — like the University of Manchester paper — have been plucked is that the researchers were eager to investigate all things COVID and moved too quickly.

“Many previous studies were published rapidly during the pandemic but lacked good scientific rigor.” University of Manchester professor Kevin Munro stated. “There was an urgent need for this carefully conducted clinical and diagnostic study to investigate the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the auditory system.”

I don't think anyone's getting owned here. It's just a word of caution about carelessly following just any old thing that people call "the Science."
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on June 01, 2023, 01:02:09 AM
I know I saw that some outfits were pushing ventilators "for safety" for the caregivers.
 
Can't find that stuff now. Then again, wouldn't put it past folks to be scrubbing.
 
When I first saw the stuff, and saw how the data was being manipulated, I got skeptical.
 
I'm still skeptical. A long time ago, in a different career, I was the guy who the head of research pointed to, and said "When Chuck says he understands it, then you can show it to the accountants." I'm the guy who could call directors, and say "hold the presses - I'm seeing something that doesn't add up." And I wouldn't be wrong. I see patterns. I geek on patterns.
 
And I hate being lied to.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: De Selby on June 01, 2023, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Bogie on June 01, 2023, 01:02:09 AM
I know I saw that some outfits were pushing ventilators "for safety" for the caregivers.
 
Can't find that stuff now. Then again, wouldn't put it past folks to be scrubbing.
 
When I first saw the stuff, and saw how the data was being manipulated, I got skeptical.
 
I'm still skeptical. A long time ago, in a different career, I was the guy who the head of research pointed to, and said "When Chuck says he understands it, then you can show it to the accountants." I'm the guy who could call directors, and say "hold the presses - I'm seeing something that doesn't add up." And I wouldn't be wrong. I see patterns. I geek on patterns.
 
And I hate being lied to.

The fact that you used to have some non scientific role in a pharma company is not authority to make proclamations about medical treatments.

This ventilator thing is pure bs. It’s like blaming tourniquets for blood loss deaths.


Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 01, 2023, 12:40:39 PM
The qualifications for the role of Internet Pope are notoriously ambiguous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2023, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: De Selby on June 01, 2023, 08:47:37 AM
The fact that you used to have some non scientific role in a pharma company is not authority to make proclamations about medical treatments.

:rofl:

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on June 01, 2023, 02:27:08 PM
Non-scientific?
 
You funny.
 
"Doc, I've been going over your article, and we've got some questions."
 

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2023, 10:39:22 PM
Horowitz: Confidential Pfizer document shows the company observed 1.6 million adverse events covering nearly every organ system
https://www.conservativereview.com/horowitz-confidential-pfizer-document-shows-the-company-observed-1-6-million-adverse-events-covering-nearly-every-organ-system-2661316948.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/pfizer-report.pdf

Not sure how much of this is new, but I thought I would pass it on.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on June 27, 2023, 10:05:33 AM
More trying to change history to fit the narrative

Quote
    No adult was forced to take any jab. Period. Everyone, except the children, had a choice. I’m tired of these adults saying they “had to do it.” No, they didn’t. 💉💉💉
    — Lauren Houston (@LegalizeitLala) June 26, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/27/lauren-houston-n2384864

Sure no was forced by being told they would be fired if they didn't.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on July 30, 2023, 10:42:12 AM
They need a distraction from Brandon and Son's troubles so it's time to PANIC! again

Quote
From CNN:

    It’s time to stock up on tissues, bingeable TV options and Covid-19 tests. Yes, many signs are pointing to a Covid-19 summer surge – although one that’s far less intense than what emerged the past few summers.

    Experts say they do not expect that cases will be severe or that the uptick will be prolonged, and there are early signs from wastewater data that this wavelet may already be leveling out.

    But data posted this week by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that many Covid-19 indicators, including hospital admissions, emergency department visits and test positivity, are once again on the rise.
CNN pisses EVERYONE off pushing for more of that SWEET fear-mongering COVID traffic
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/07/30/cnn-tries-pushing-covid-surge-n2385840

If you need me I'm be at Sam's buying 10 cases of toilet paper and 20 cases of paper towels.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on July 30, 2023, 12:54:16 PM
"Covid" is rearing its head around here (Shreveport, La) again. (sigh)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on July 30, 2023, 12:57:24 PM
I haven't heard a thing about new cases in these parts, even from the Karens at the local news outlets.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on July 31, 2023, 05:01:38 PM
Fun stuff.  Things are bad enough when we think about the crappy Chinese labs we know about. 

Mysterious Chinese COVID Lab Uncovered in City of Reedley CA
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/mysterious-chinese-covid-lab-uncovered-in-city-of-reedly-ca/

Quote
“Reedley officials and personnel from CDPH and FCDPH executed a warrant on March 16 to inspect the warehouse at 850 I Street,” MidValley Times reported. “According to a declaration from Humero Prado, Assistant Director of Fresno County Public Health, which was filed in superior court, investigators discovered that one room of the warehouse was used to produce COVID-19 and pregnancy tests. In other rooms, investigators found blood, tissue and other bodily fluid samples. They also found thousands of vials that contained unlabeled fluids.”

And they found 900 genetically engineered mice, engineered to catch and carry COVID-19, living in “inhumane” conditions. 773 of the mice had to be euthanized, and officials found another 178 mice already dead.


CDC detects coronavirus, HIV, hepatitis and herpes at unlicensed California lab
The CDC found at least 20 potentially infectious agents at the warehouse in Fresno County.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-believe-fresno-warehouse-was-site-illegal-laboratory-rcna96756

Lab operating in Reedley shut down after officials found infectious agents and chemicals
https://abc30.com/reedley-lab-hazardous-materials-medical-waste-prestige-biotech/13555300/

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on July 31, 2023, 11:59:02 PM
Here in urban STL, I'm still seeing masked solo drivers... Masked "low information" folks, mostly minorities. Young guys wearing masks, probably with warrants or intent... A few hipsters still virtue signaling.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HankB on August 01, 2023, 07:45:48 AM
Quote from: Bogie on July 31, 2023, 11:59:02 PM
Here in urban STL, I'm still seeing masked solo drivers... Masked "low information" folks, mostly minorities. Young guys wearing masks, probably with warrants or intent... A few hipsters still virtue signaling.

In the Austin, TX area, I rarely see a masked solo driver, but there are a few around. Masked individuals in places like grocery stores are almost - almost - entirely elderly people who don't look particularly vigorous.

I was at a wedding in early May as a "+1" and a couple of days later the lady I was with called me and told me she'd just tested positive for covid - symptoms were mild and she got over it OK. I didn't catch it - last time I had covid was March 2022 - it was no fun, but it felt like one of the mildest cases of flu I'd ever had.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 01, 2023, 12:59:20 PM
My daughter was at MO S&T a couple weeks ago. Her dorm mate was from St. Louis area. She wore a mask the whole time.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 01, 2023, 01:14:09 PM
I still see people wearing masks here in Northern Virginia.

Mostly older people, but oddly enough, mostly whites.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: grampster on August 01, 2023, 07:59:05 PM
I still see a very occasional single person in a car with a mask on.  Oddly, when I see someone walking down the sidewalk in areas where there are stores etc. it's usually a younger person.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on August 02, 2023, 09:59:56 AM
@PinkPigParts and I were exposed to C0v!d when we took her sister to the Doc-In-A-Box who confirmed that she had it. Yay! Maybe us having had the OG version and jab 1 & 2 may be of some help?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 23, 2023, 11:41:24 AM
Well, here we go again, I guess. Premium article, but here's a snippet:

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Still, in some parts of the country, mask mandates have already arrived. A slight uptick in the virus led two hospitals in Syracuse, New York, University and Community General, to reimpose mandatory face-masking and COVID testing on Aug. 17, according to local news outlets.

“Effective immediately, mandatory masking is required by all staff, visitors, and patients in clinical areas,”  instructed a memo sent to staff and obtained by Syracuse.com. “Clinical areas are defined as any location patients gather, wait, transport thorough, or receive care.”

In Los Angeles, major Hollywood studio Lionsgate demanded employees cover their faces at its Santa Monica office buildings. The policy was announced in an internal memo obtained by Deadline, demanding that “Employees must wear a medical grade face covering (surgical mask, KN95 or N95) when indoors except when alone in an office with the door closed, actively eating, actively drinking at their desk or workstation, or if they are the only individual present in a large open workspace.”

In Atlanta, Georgia Morris Brown College announced a mask mandate for everyone entering its campus. In an Aug. 20 Instagram post the college stated that “all students and employees are required to wear face masks (staff may remove face masks when in their offices alone.)”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/covid-mask-mandates-return-5478758
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 23, 2023, 11:44:38 AM
The election variant is just around the corner.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 23, 2023, 11:44:38 AM
The election variant is just around the corner.

They're already trying to ramp up the panic. We're all gonna die! again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: fifth_column on August 23, 2023, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 23, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
They're already trying to ramp up the panic. We're all gonna die! again.

Personally, I'm getting tired of being killed off . . . .
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2023, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 23, 2023, 11:44:38 AM
The election variant is just around the corner.

CDC Announces Deadly New 'Electionyearicron' Covid Variant
https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-announces-deadly-new-electionyearicron-covid-variant
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2023, 07:27:57 PM
Ugly People Rejoice Over Return Of Mask Mandates
https://babylonbee.com/news/ugly-people-rejoice-over-return-of-mask-mandates
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 25, 2023, 09:51:55 AM
For your reading pleasure:

https://www.iflscience.com/lockdowns-masks-and-social-distancing-unequivocally-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-70408?fbclid=IwAR0xLOn35goPyCXC_KqIZ52W3r9Nq6FBTK4vDbn3eL2a_kNNsk-aKtxXlGI

https://www.politico.eu/article/masks-lockdowns-social-distancing-evidence-reduce-coronavirus-spread/

https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1959

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/impact-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-on-covid-19-transmission/the-royal-society-covid-19-examining-the-effectiveness-of-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-report.pdf

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 25, 2023, 10:00:46 AM
Of course lockdowns help stop the spread of covid. They will help stop the spread of anything. Want to stop murders? Install government controlled remote locks on the doors of every home in America and lock us all in and have government contractors deliver our goods to us. It will reduce murders by 95%. Want to stop drunk driving? Install breathalyzer lockouts on every car sold in America. It will stop drunk driving.

Make sure to also arrest paddleboarders who have less than a 10 mile perimeter between them and everyone else. Also, make sure to create exceptions for people eating in crowded restaurants. That has to still be allowed so that haircuts can attend birthday parties.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 25, 2023, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 25, 2023, 09:51:55 AM
For your reading pleasure:

https://www.iflscience.com/lockdowns-masks-and-social-distancing-unequivocally-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-70408?fbclid=IwAR0xLOn35goPyCXC_KqIZ52W3r9Nq6FBTK4vDbn3eL2a_kNNsk-aKtxXlGI

https://www.politico.eu/article/masks-lockdowns-social-distancing-evidence-reduce-coronavirus-spread/

https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1959

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/impact-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-on-covid-19-transmission/the-royal-society-covid-19-examining-the-effectiveness-of-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-report.pdf



Yeah.  But was the juice worth the squeeze. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 25, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 25, 2023, 10:00:46 AM
Make sure to also arrest paddleboarders who have less than a 10 mile perimeter between them and everyone else. Also, make sure to create exceptions for people eating in crowded restaurants. That has to still be allowed so that haircuts can attend birthday parties.

All for show like when they put fences and extra guards around open air monuments during the government "shutdown".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 25, 2023, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 25, 2023, 11:10:54 AM
Yeah.  But was the juice worth the squeeze.

WLJ has a key point that applies in a lot of situations: do the costs exceed the benefits?  I still participate in the local health department conference calls on COVID, and the state health department apparently thinks that if they impose another mask mandate in Washington, compliance will be low.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 25, 2023, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 25, 2023, 11:23:13 AM
WLJ has a key point that applies in a lot of situations: do the costs exceed the benefits?  I still participate in the local health department conference calls on COVID, and the state health department apparently thinks that if they impose another mask mandate in Washington, compliance will be low.
Just tell people that it'll only be for 2 weeks to slow the spread.

The public health industry burned up an awful lot of goodwill in its handling of COVID.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on August 25, 2023, 11:40:09 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on August 25, 2023, 09:51:55 AM
For your reading pleasure:

https://www.iflscience.com/lockdowns-masks-and-social-distancing-unequivocally-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-70408?fbclid=IwAR0xLOn35goPyCXC_KqIZ52W3r9Nq6FBTK4vDbn3eL2a_kNNsk-aKtxXlGI


And here we have the problem with current media, and the State funded medical folks.

The headline:  "Lockdowns, Masks, And Social Distancing "Unequivocally" Help Stop The Spread Of COVID"

But that's not what the report says.  First of all, despite quotation marks the word Unequivocal or Unequivocally does not appear anywhere in the linked study EXSUM.

What it says is:
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Masks and face coverings:
The weight of evidence from all studies suggests that wearing masks, particularly higher quality masks (respirators), supported by mask mandates, generally reduced the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Studies consistently, though not universally, reported that mask wearing and mask mandates were an effective approach to reduce infection

Social distancing and ‘lockdowns’:
Most effective of all the NPIs were the social distancing measures. Stay-at-home orders, physical distancing, and restrictions on gathering size were repeatedly found to be associated with significant reduction in SARS-CoV-2 transmission, with more stringent measures having greater effects.

The Study goes on to say:
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However, the results reported in the three national and regional case studies cannot simply be replicated in other countries and regions. The national and regional contexts for NPIs varied significantly around the world, according to geographical, political, demographic, socio-economic and regulatory factors. The nature of the national implementation of NPIs and their resulting effectiveness can only be understood in the context of a series of other extremely important interacting factors

Cross-country comparisons of the effectiveness of NPIs are affected by multiple factors, most notably differences in demographic factors, healthcare systems, levels of economic prosperity, degrees of trust between citizens and public authorities, and testing and reporting of cases of COVID-19. Different countries or regions were differentially affected by COVID-19with particular impacts on those with olderpopulations12; higher levels of obesity; greater incidence of chronic non-communicable diseases such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease; larger concentrations of lower income and larger households; and higher population densities. Countries also differed in their categorization of COVID-19 deaths. For instance, Belgium included all deaths where COVID-19 was suspected to contribute, resulting in higher reported death rates early in the pandemic15,while others included only deaths inhospitals16. There were also stark differences in the availability of testing and thereby the numbers of reported cases

....

There is clear evidence from studies conducted during the pandemic that the stringent implementation of packages of NPIs was effective in some countries in reducing the transmission of COVID-19. There is also evidence for the effectiveness of individual NPIs, although, especially as the pandemic progressed and the virus became more transmissible, NPIs became less effective in controlling the transmission of SARS-CoV-2

Future assessments should also consider the costs as well as the benefits of NPIs, in terms of their impacts on livelihoods, economies, education, social cohesion, physical and mental wellbeing, and potentially other aspects. Drug regulators are able to make recommendations on the use of drugs based upon evidence of their effects and side effects. Similarly, policymakers will be able to make the best policy decisions on NPIs, which are in the main complex social interventions, if they have access to better evidence regarding their broader health and societal impacts. They could consider these alongside their effects on reducing the transmission of the infectious agent

Bolding Mine.

But in general none of those articles communicated the actual Executive Summary findings, much less the actual study.  They pulled snippets to support their editorial conclusions, and neglected to mention the 25% (literally 5 of 20 pages) of the report summary talking about the problems with getting data, comparing data, and that the report was neglecting important considerations.  Just so Politico could say: "COVID lockdowns and masks worked, period" as they transparantly try to spin up support for more society wide interventions.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: sumpnz on August 25, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
I don’t dispute that masks, distancing, etc helped slow the spread of Covid.  And I don’t think anyone does.  The real question is whether the costs of doing that were worth the benefits to public health.

I’d say that depends on your perspective.  If you’re a jackboot thug it was a grand success and clearly a desirable outcome.  If you’re a freedom loving citizen, and especially a parent of young children, it was disastrous.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2023, 03:52:52 PM
I don't like combining all those as I don't think they are equal.  Much of this may just be my opinion:

I question whether masks alone helped very much in most situations.  Unless you are sick and/or sneezing/coughing, I doubt it does much.  If two people are required to work in very close proximity or work with food, it makes more sense.  Needed to be more strategic about where and when masks were required. 

I question whether lockdowns and closing businesses helped.  People were stuck at home and health clubs were closed which makes little sense when it comes to overall health.  Also, the Govt was very inconsistent about what businesses closed.  Mostly it was small businesses that were hit like my barber.  I figure more people caught COVID at Walmart than the barber shop. 

I don't agree with closing work places, but putting more emphasis on people staying home if exposed probably helped.  There are always people determined to come to work even if they are half dead with the flu/fever.  Our company provided an additional 2 weeks of sick time to cover it so the hourly folks were covered.

I think the social distancing advice and adding sneeze guards in a lot of places probably helped the most of all of these.  Just my opinion.  I notice people still tend to spread out more than they did before. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 25, 2023, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: sumpnz on August 25, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
I don’t dispute that masks, distancing, etc helped slow the spread of Covid.  And I don’t think anyone does.  The real question is whether the costs of doing that were worth the benefits to public health.

I’d say that depends on your perspective.  If you’re a jackboot thug it was a grand success and clearly a desirable outcome.  If you’re a freedom loving citizen, and especially a parent of young children, it was disastrous.

With kids, it would have been better to figure out a way to get them to wash their hands (and maybe face) a lot more.  Schools could set up stations for that and run classes through a few times a day.  I am sure there are other better options including "nothing at all".
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on August 25, 2023, 09:59:57 PM
When it gets bad enough that they close the border, I might look at what they have to say. Until then they can piss off.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2023, 07:52:48 AM
Quote from: Jim147 on August 25, 2023, 09:59:57 PM
When it gets bad enough that they close the border, I might look at what they have to say. Until then they can piss off.

Hold your breath on that ever happening under a dem admin. During the zombie apocalypse they'll be at the border with welcome signs, handing them dem voter cards, and herding them onto buses. Brrraains Voootes
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on August 26, 2023, 02:29:17 PM
Hmm, according to the local hospital census conference this morning, we now have 19 COVID patients in house, reflecting a sudden spike in the community since the middle of this week.  I see from the local case counts, we have been on a gradual upward trend since mid July. although they are a couple of weeks behind on current case counts.

https://www.snohd.org/546/Local-Case-Counts
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2023, 09:19:06 PM
Here we go

Quote
President Biden said Friday he plans to request additional funding from Congress for the development of a new COVID-19 vaccine, adding he may require everyone to take it, regardless of if they previously received a vaccine or not.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-develop-covid-vaccine-require-shot
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Pb on August 26, 2023, 09:33:16 PM
Can you imagine the clustr$^& of paranoia and rage that would result if the Biden had a law requiring everyone to get the shot?   :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 26, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Last go-round the jab was voluntary for work, they even kicked in $100 if you got it.

If Brandon makes it mandatory - I'm retiring a few months earlier than planned.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2023, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 26, 2023, 09:19:06 PM
Here we go
https://www.foxnews.com/health/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-develop-covid-vaccine-require-shot

That'll be a "NO" from me dog.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 26, 2023, 09:54:52 PM
No.  NO.  HELL NO !!

Never had a flu shot.  Never got this "genetic experiment".  Not ever.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on August 28, 2023, 04:19:34 PM
And the Karens are coming back out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696207621957783990

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/28/james-woods-reminds-everyone-just-how-gross-and-hateful-pro-masking-psychos-really-are-watch-n2386653
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on August 28, 2023, 04:28:34 PM
Surely this is a two or three year old video, right?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2023, 09:15:02 PM

Mask study published by NIH suggests N95 Covid masks may expose wearers to dangerous level of toxic compounds linked to seizures and cancer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12443319/Mask-study-published-NIH-suggests-N95-Covid-masks-expose-wearers-dangerous-level-toxic-compounds-linked-seizures-cancer.html

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Researchers from Jeonbuk National University in South Korea looked at two types of disposable medical-grade masks, as well as several reusable cotton masks.

The study found that the chemicals released by these masks had eight times the recommended safety limit of toxic volatile organic compounds (TVOCs).

Inhaling TVOCs has been linked to health issues like headaches and nausea, while prolonged and repeated has been linked to organ damage and even cancer.

It appears the problem masks were the disposable masks and others made of non-natural fibers.  They also mentioned opening them up and letting them air out before wearing helped reduce the chemicals. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 28, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
May need to order a box or two of masks just in case they start mask mandates again and beat the panic.
They're pretty cheap and not much of a bother to keep on hand for just in case.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2023, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 28, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
May need to order a box or two of masks just in case they start mask mandates again and beat the panic.
They're pretty cheap and not much of a bother to keep on hand for just in case.
Unseal them and let them air out wherever you store them.

I still have a few of the fabric masks my mother made.  They were much more comfortable than anything else.  That said, I am going to avoid wearing one everywhere I possibly can. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
I gathered quite a few masks last time around, the box has somewhere near 100.  Plan is for the box to still have 100 or so after this blows over - again.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on August 29, 2023, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 26, 2023, 09:54:52 PM
No.  NO.  HELL NO !!

Never had a flu shot.  Never got this "genetic experiment".  Not ever.

Don't worry...

Since you already have da 'awtizim, you won't be getting double secret awtizim... :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on August 30, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 28, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
May need to order a box or two of masks just in case they start mask mandates again and beat the panic.
They're pretty cheap and not much of a bother to keep on hand for just in case.

"Masks are for crooks and the Lone Ranger.
And you don't have any silver bullets."
 >:D  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on August 30, 2023, 10:03:08 PM
Quote from: JTHunter on August 30, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
"Masks are for crooks and the Lone Ranger.
And you don't have any silver bullets."
 >:D  :rofl:

Have a bunch of German MEN surplus nickel plated 7.62 NATO, definitely silver in color, and silver tip 7.62x54r  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on August 30, 2023, 10:36:37 PM
Would Winchester Silvertip work?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 03, 2023, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: WLJ on August 30, 2023, 10:03:08 PM
Have a bunch of German MEN surplus nickel plated 7.62 NATO, definitely silver in color, and silver tip 7.62x54r  :P

Nope.  "Looks can be deceiving."  Nickel isn't "silver".  =D
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on September 03, 2023, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 30, 2023, 10:36:37 PM
Would Winchester Silvertip work?

See above.  ;/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on September 04, 2023, 06:58:00 PM
Even some at CNN are done with the maskuerade.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-fauci-squirms-cnn-anchor-confronts-him-data-showing-masks-dont-work
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Howard Stern fears the virus

I for one couldn't give a rat's turd what Stern thinks about anything but this paranoid seems prevalent in certain groups

Quote
During a Wednesday segment of his Sirius XM radio show, the shock jock conceded that he’s paranoid and "neurotic," especially when it comes to the virus, and noted that his wife, Beth Ostrosky Stern, is less so.

As he explained, this has led to tension and arguments with her as media outlets have been warning about a new coronavirus strain and his wife wants to go out and socialize.

Howard Stern admits fear of new COVID strain has caused fights with his wife: 'I'm scared,' 'neurotic'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/howard-stern-admits-fear-new-covid-strain-caused-fights-wife-scared-neurotic
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 06, 2023, 08:55:45 PM
I don't really pay attention to Stern, but didn't he go full blown nazi maniac during covid round 1? Anyway, he's an arrogant putz.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 06, 2023, 08:55:45 PM
I don't really pay attention to Stern, but didn't he go full blown nazi maniac during covid round 1? Anyway, he's an arrogant putz.

Yep

Just thought it was an example of how they got so many people afraid to even leave their homes
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 09:25:41 PM
After Third Infection, COVID Desperately Seeks Vaccine Against Whoopi Goldberg
https://babylonbee.com/news/covid-desperately-searching-for-vaccine-against-whoopi-goldberg
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2023, 09:03:32 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on September 08, 2023, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Howard Stern fears the virus

I for one couldn't give a rat's turd what Stern thinks about anything but this paranoid seems prevalent in certain groups

Howard Stern admits fear of new COVID strain has caused fights with his wife: 'I'm scared,' 'neurotic'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/howard-stern-admits-fear-new-covid-strain-caused-fights-wife-scared-neurotic

Now if they would take away his microphones the world would be a much better place.

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 12, 2023, 02:07:03 AM
Well, here I am with the sample population of St. Louis, a machine city.
 
Three deaths have been attributed to the 'vid in the past 90 days.
 
No demographics data available for them, but guessing that some geezers caught a bad cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2023, 03:32:42 PM

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Dr. Mark Adickes
@jocktodoc
·
18h
Aaron Rodgers injury appears to be either Lisfranc foot injury, ankle sprain or possibly even Achilles. Similar mechanism to JK Dobbins injury Sunday. 
Best case is ankle sprain. Will miss several weeks best case.

Enter Keith Olbermann

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Keith Olbermann⌚️
@KeithOlbermann
Another #SuddenLisfranc due to failure to vaccinate 💉💉💉💉💉💉
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1701395489378148703?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

What a jackass
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 08:07:31 AM
Quote
    Hydroxychloroquine may also be used to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) in certain hospitalized patients. …

    Hydroxychloroquine should only be used for COVID-19 in a hospital or during clinical trials. Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor.

I'm sure the narrative will become they were for it all along and it was that darn Trump who was against it.

Mayo Clinic: Sometimes Hydroxychloroquine works on Covid, after all
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/09/25/mayo-clinic-hydroxychloroquine-actually-works-on-covid-n2387688
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 08:15:24 AM
Oh and questioning Fauci is violence

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    Fauci: “I’ve been involved in saving, literally, millions of lives,” yet @RonDeSantis is stoking violence against me pic.twitter.com/ck417jbSoc
    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) September 24, 2023

Anthony Fauci claims Ron DeSantis challenging his narrative is 'violence' in latest interview
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/09/24/fauci-desantis-inciting-violence-against-him-n2387684
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on September 25, 2023, 12:20:49 PM
St. Louis Sample Population:
 
Our Covid dashboard that is run by the machine is now listing FIVE deaths attributed to the 'vid in the past three months.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2023, 02:19:48 PM
Some awesome trolling by Elon.  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1706676593261785178
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
The Army is "inviting back" soldiers that they kicked out for refusing vaccination. I'm guessing most of those soldiers have moved on by now. Though at least it appears that they can get "dishonorables" removed.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/17/win-for-the-good-guys-army-to-change-discharge-reason-and-invite-back-unvaccinated-troops-n2389908
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 17, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Ben on November 17, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
The Army is "inviting back" soldiers that they kicked out for refusing vaccination. I'm guessing most of those soldiers have moved on by now. Though at least it appears that they can get "dishonorables" removed.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/17/win-for-the-good-guys-army-to-change-discharge-reason-and-invite-back-unvaccinated-troops-n2389908
I figure there might be some that were close to getting pension, etc.  They might be interested in getting back in.  I am curious if they could get at least some credit for the time in between but I doubt it. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 17, 2023, 07:08:01 PM
Quote from: Ben on September 26, 2023, 02:19:48 PM
Some awesome trolling by Elon.  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1706676593261785178

I am glad that gets posted though.  Seems like there are people that want to say 100% protection was never claimed.  It absolutely was.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 18, 2023, 08:23:50 AM
Quote from: Ben on November 17, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
The Army is "inviting back" soldiers that they kicked out for refusing vaccination. I'm guessing most of those soldiers have moved on by now. Though at least it appears that they can get "dishonorables" removed.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/17/win-for-the-good-guys-army-to-change-discharge-reason-and-invite-back-unvaccinated-troops-n2389908

Nobody got a Dishonorable Discharge for just refusing a vaccine.  It was "General Discharge under Honorable Circumstances " unless you did something else to violate UCMJ.

But from what I've heard from USAREC very few troops have come back.  Like under 100.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2023, 12:16:26 PM
Biden saving us AGAIN!

Every family is entitled to FREE Covid tests ahead of Thanksgiving gettogethers as part of $600million Biden project to prevent wave of cases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12771065/free-covid-tests-biden-winter-wave.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on November 20, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: dogmush on November 18, 2023, 08:23:50 AM
Nobody got a Dishonorable Discharge for just refusing a vaccine.  It was "General Discharge under Honorable Circumstances " unless you did something else to violate UCMJ.

But from what I've heard from USAREC very few troops have come back.  Like under 100.

I was under the impression that most, if not all, of them were given an RE-4 reenlistment code, not eligible for re-enlistment. Even if they wanted to go back in then the first step would be getting their records corrected and that is not an overnight process. I think TPTB that think those people who were separated for refusing the vaccine, which I am sure included people seeking religious exemption, will be beating down the door to rejoin are pissing in the wind.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/11/20/us-army-soldiers-recruitment/



bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on November 20, 2023, 02:18:54 PM
So it varied widely based on the branch of service, and I only got to look at the hard numbers for the Army Reserve, although I have it on decent authority that the Regular Army was similar.

USAR didn't disapprove any correctly applied for religious exemptions.  There was a memo that came out with instructions on how to request one, and if you followed those instructions, they were either approved, or no action taken (you got to stay as pending a decision) until the mandate was lifted.  Medical exemtipons were a little different, but the TLDR was if your doc agreed with you, you got the exemption.  I know a couple folks that Twitter told them they should get an exemption for whatever ailment they thought they had, but the doctor's didn't agree, and it was denied.  Interestingly enough, at least in the USAR (where we tend to be a little older and more broke) the process of going to the military doc and claiming all your woes to try and get a medal exemption often triggered a medical fitness board that resulted in medical discharge.

The soldiers that actually got discharged (rather than medically separated or retired) were the ones that just said "No, You can't make me", and refused to follow any of the processes to request an exemption.  Partially because that was quicker, and partially because they can, in fact, make you those soldiers actually got processed out on General Discharges before the policy was paused, and later reversed.  All of those that I saw were article 92 violations (Failure to obey a lawful General Order), and yes they normally included a bar to reenlistment.  You are also correct that the process to remove that bar takes a little time, but not a ton.  Think weeks not months in most cases.

You are also correct that the vast majority of those soldiers have no intention of coming back.  They are done. There are perhaps some Regular Army folks that were close enough to retirement that coming back for a year or two makes sense, but like I said in the post you quoted, USAREC is saying very few are coming back.

Rumor mill is that the USMC and Navy were much more dickish about the whole thing, and more of them might have gotten shafted.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 27, 2023, 08:57:59 AM
Meanwhile panic in China

Quote
Alarming footage shows mask-wearing crowds inside a Chinese hospital amid fears over a mystery pneumonia sweeping the country.

Beijing insists a new virus is not to blame for scenes of chaos, which have prompted officials to encourage residents to don coverings, socially distance and stay home if unwell.

Instead, health chiefs have pinned the rise on flu and other routine bugs, with China now battling its first full winter without a Covid-induced lockdown.

Local media has reported health facilities as being 'overwhelmed with sick children'.

However, China's health ministry claims it can cope with the spike in sickness, which sparked global panic last week when news of the situation emerged.

Footage shows mask-wearing crowds piling into an 'overwhelmed' Beijing hospital amid fears over mystery pneumonia sweeping country - but China insists flu and usual winter bugs are to blame, NOT a new virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12794953/China-says-FLU-known-viruses-blame-mystery-wave-pneumonia-overwhelming-hospitals.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: RocketMan on November 27, 2023, 09:18:37 AM
Interesting turn of phrase in the story:  "...with China now battling its first full winter without a Covid-induced lockdown."  Why is there being no covid lockdown a "battle"?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on November 27, 2023, 10:39:44 AM
Why? Because China is communist.

And communism requires continuous battling, striving, and revolution
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
China is assuring us there's no new virus. Sounds familiar...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on November 27, 2023, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
China is assuring us there's no new virus. Sounds familiar...
To be honest, I think I might prefer the US Govt to "assure us" there is no new virus also.  The alternative is trying to push for lock downs, mandate masks, and anything else that is oppressive, but doesn't help with the virus. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 27, 2023, 12:02:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G12kp2bslqk
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on November 27, 2023, 11:43:20 AM
To be honest, I think I might prefer the US Govt to "assure us" there is no new virus also.  The alternative is trying to push for lock downs, mandate masks, and anything else that is oppressive, but doesn't help with the virus.

What I mean is that 4 years ago they refused to say anything about their new virus until after it went, ya know, viral.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 12:13:11 PM
Cue the panic

Quote
An 'extremely high' number of children are being diagnosed with pneumonia in Ohio — which is now the first US state to report an outbreak like the one in China.

Health officials in Warren County, 30 miles north of Cincinnati, said there have been 142 pediatric cases of the condition — dubbed 'white lung syndrome' — since August.

'Not only is this above the county average, it also meets the Ohio Department of Health definition of an outbreak,' the county's health department said Wednesday.

The spread of cases has raised fears that an American outbreak of the infection that has overwhelmed hospitals China could hit this winter. Several European countries are battling similar crises
.

Or not

Quote
But a source at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that,  nationally, 'nothing is out of the ordinary'.

An 'ongoing investigation' is underway in Ohio into what is triggering the wave of illness, but officials do not think it is a new respiratory disease — and instead blame a mixture of several common infections all hitting at once.

Mystery wave of pneumonia hits AMERICA: Ohio county records 142 child cases of 'white lung syndrome' which it says 'meets the definition of an outbreak' -  as China and Europe grapple with crises
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12809869/us-child-pneumonia-outbreak-extremely-high-cases.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: charby on November 30, 2023, 01:20:55 PM
A little snooping around and it looks like it may be from mycoplasma pneumoniae bacteria, usually causes walking pneumonia but this outbreak looks pretty aggressive in young people. IIRC some strains of mycoplasma pneumoniae bacteria is fairly resistant to many common antibiotics.

I guess wait for more news if it starts aggressively spreading around the world.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 07:03:08 PM
But wait, there's more

Now MASSACHUSETTS says it's being hit by wave of 'white lung' pneumonia in children as Ohio county issues similar warning - after China and Europe saw surge in cases and hospitalizations
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12809869/us-child-pneumonia-outbreak-extremely-high-cases.html

Is this going to be our election virus?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 07:07:15 PM
And this just in

Quote
    People who followed COVID recommendations more likely to have mental health issues now https://t.co/ClBgM33qFU
    — The Messenger (@TheMessenger) November 29, 2023

This is my shocked face

You Don't Say: Study Shows Increased Mental Health Issues In People Who Obeyed COVID Measures
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/11/30/you-dont-say-study-shows-increased-mental-health-issues-in-people-who-obeyed-covid-measures-n2390329

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on November 30, 2023, 07:22:31 PM
I've seen a few people wearing masks lately.
 
Predominantly folks who watch too much television. Poor, minority, do what the man says...
 
Virtue signaling - college students. Greatest percentage appears to be Chinese, second are hipsters who get upset when I don't have the part to their 2023 OddballMobile... .
 
Warrants, or avoidance of same. The folks who chunked a piece of pavement through the store's front door the other night were wearing masks. They did several other businesses the same night.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2023, 09:07:10 AM
Masking returns to some western Washington healthcare systems:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/some-wa-hospitals-bring-back-indoor-masking-with-flu-rsv-on-the-rise/

Not due to COVID, however.  Flu and RSV is on the rise.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: Bogie on November 30, 2023, 07:22:31 PM
Greatest percentage appears to be Chinese,

Wearing masks has long been common in many East Asian countries. In Japan it's quite common for a sick person to be the one wearing a mask.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 07, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
Wearing masks has long been common in many East Asian countries. In Japan it's quite common for a sick person to be the one wearing a mask.

I always thought this was a good idea, including in the pre-covid times. At least in enclosed areas, which, if you're that sick, the only enclosed public area you should be visiting is the doctor. I get incredibly irritated going to the doctor for the annual checkup or some non-illness thing, and being surrounded by sneezing, coughing germ factories.

Don't even get me started on the idiots that (with fed.gov sick leave and work from home opportunities) always came into work sick as dogs because they thought they were that invaluable.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 07, 2023, 09:38:07 AM
Or come into work with the plague so they can save their sick time/because they used their sick time on Mondays they were hung over or had Anal Glaucoma.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 07, 2023, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: dogmush on December 07, 2023, 09:38:07 AM
Or come into work with the plague so they can save their sick time/because they used their sick time on Mondays

Heh. I had a girlfriend who was a General Counsel attorney in DC, and she thought calling in sick every Monday was part of her job.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 07, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
I always thought this was a good idea, including in the pre-covid times. At least in enclosed areas, which, if you're that sick, the only enclosed public area you should be visiting is the doctor. I get incredibly irritated going to the doctor for the annual checkup or some non-illness thing, and being surrounded by sneezing, coughing germ factories.


Yeah, go sit in your doctor's office waiting room for 2 hours waiting for a checkup surrounded by coughing wheezing people then come back a few days later coughing and wheezing with who knows what.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 07, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"

So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 07, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"

So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.

IIRC with my daughter we had x numbers of days then a doctor's note was required.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 07, 2023, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: cordex on December 07, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"

So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.
I guess they have to prove attendance to get their funding.  I assume some of that was waived during covid.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 07, 2023, 12:58:45 PM
Speaking from the perspective of the doctor's note, primary care and pediatrics is overwhelmed at this time of year seeing people with respiratory crud.  It is not a good use of scarce medical resources to see a kid or adult who is fully recovered but now needs a note to have the absence or time off work excused.  If you are in this situation and you are recovered, call your clinic and ask if they can write a note without having to see the patient.  Also, if you forge the note and we find out, we don't like that. I usually only see this with adults, though.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on December 14, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 07, 2023, 12:58:45 PM
It is not a good use of scarce medical resources to see a kid or adult who is fully recovered but now needs a note to have the absence or time off work excused.  If you are in this situation and you are recovered, call your clinic and ask if they can write a note without having to see the patient. 
From my daughter's school:
"Please note that in order for a student's absence to be excused, there must be a doctor's note stating that the student was SEEN in the office."

Emphasis in the original.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 14, 2023, 10:49:15 AM
Interestingly, all the local schools for my little town were closed yesterday because all the bus drivers and half the students were sick with whatever non-covid bug that's out there right now.

I still have the OG covid super-immunity that protects me from all diseases everywhere, but I'll probably skip going to the local grocery and burger joint for a little while.  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 14, 2023, 12:19:49 PM
That upper respiratory thing I had a few weeks ago, which came with mucus producing ability that would make a hag fish proud, tore through my workplace.

Hit our trash company, hit our grounds company, hit the schools (but apparently not quite as hard).

It was miserable. I'm just now getting over the cough. I'm sure that it was prolonged for me, though, because I'm a smoker.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2023, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: K Frame on December 14, 2023, 12:19:49 PM
That upper respiratory thing I had a few weeks ago, which came with mucus producing ability that would make a hag fish proud, tore through my workplace.

Hit our trash company, hit our grounds company, hit the schools (but apparently not quite as hard).

It was miserable. I'm just now getting over the cough. I'm sure that it was prolonged for me, though, because I'm a smoker.

Remember me saying Ashi was coughing and wheezing? I came down with much the same symptoms last week. I'm starting to wonder what this crap is.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: dogmush on December 14, 2023, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: cordex on December 07, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
The local school system went from "KEEP YOUR KID HOME IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SICK!" to "YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE FOR ANY SICK ABSENCE OR YOUR KID WILL BE COUNTED TRUANT!"

So parents just send their kids to school sick and wait for them to be sent home by the nurse.

Quote from: cordex on December 14, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
From my daughter's school:
"Please note that in order for a student's absence to be excused, there must be a doctor's note stating that the student was SEEN in the office."

Emphasis in the original.

I don't even have kids, and I hate public school officials.  If the kids parents are all right with them staying home from school based on symptoms without a Dr's Note, the petty bureaucrats can stuff their paperwork where the sun don't shine.  Who the *expletive deleted*ck they think they are?

*I know, I know there's probably some do-gooder law that says the parents need the school's OK to do anything with their kids, but *expletive deleted*ck, really?  Home school your kids.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Cliffh on December 14, 2023, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: WLJ on December 14, 2023, 12:29:02 PM
Remember me saying Ashi was coughing and wheezing? I came down with much the same symptoms last week. I'm starting to wonder what this crap is.

I haven't been paying attention to any news about a respiratory illness going round, I just figured I'd caught a nasty-ish cold, made worse cause of pipe smoking.  Sinuses have been stopped up for weeks, with an accompanying annoying deep cough - mucus resembled rubber cement at times.  It's finally starting to lighten up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2023, 08:53:08 PM
Oh good *expletive deleted*ing grief, look who's off her meds again.

Taylor Lorenz Missing Her Fourth Christmas Because Selfish People Can't Be Bothered to Mask
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/23/taylor-lorenz-missing-her-fourth-christmas-because-selfish-people-cant-be-bothered-to-mask-n2391110

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCDkhcfWMAAddw5?format=jpg&name=large)

Cry me a *expletive deleted*ing river
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 23, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
Oh, great. It was bad enough when everything I did was oppression and destroying the planet. Now it's social murder, too. I'm accomplishing so much at once, I'm going to have to demand a raise.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 23, 2023, 11:28:11 PM
The new hire with the hot topic hair was at work the week before Thanksgiving.
 
Gachking up a lung.
 
Well, she'll all better now, and still staring at her phone with customers standing in front of her, and I'm still trying to cough up solidified elmer's glue, a month into the crud.
 
I have to work with her tomorrow. Maybe I can make her quit.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 26, 2023, 02:17:19 PM
Trolling the COVID obsessed

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    OMG! What do we do? We have 18 people coming tonight for dinner and both my husband and I just tested positive. We tested because we’re asking everyone to provide a negative Covid test before entering. No way can we cancel - some guests came from across the country. pic.twitter.com/f80pI4bnhf
    — 🫃🏼💉🇺🇦Hollaria Briden, Esq. (@HollyBriden) December 24, 2023

That's a parody account but many of the responses taking it seriously are gold especially the KFC one.

Hollaria Briden Unleashes a Masterful Christmas Troll on the COVID-Obsessed
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2023/12/26/hollaria-briden-unleashes-a-masterful-christmas-troll-on-the-covid-obsessed-n2391144
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: HeroHog on December 27, 2023, 01:09:04 AM
My wife has the Coof, I have the coof, waiting for our aunt and cousin to catch the coof...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 27, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Friend of mine came down with the Kung right before Christmas.

Which killed his spending his holidays with his first granddaughter.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on December 27, 2023, 12:24:30 PM
 My mom has ditched several plans recently due to the sweet and sour sicken. Which is fine, me calling a half hour after you were supposed to be somewhere and the food is ready,  not fine. But she was late to both her kids wedding,  this year late to her sister's husband's funeral etc. Self centered until the vein in my forehead bursts... But anyway, once her and hubby both tested positive their doc said it was fine to stop masking in their own house. But she read somewhere that pets might get it so masks it was for the cats. No sense in me explaining she is pissing away the last decade of her life hiding from an  endemic disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MillCreek on December 27, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
^^^Wait, wut?  She is putting masks on the cats?
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on December 27, 2023, 02:25:26 PM
Former neighbors of mine invited me over to eat Christmas dinner with them.

I demurred because I was intending on spending the day with Seren and I'd already worked my menu out.

She texted me a bit ago...

She and a couple of the kids have the Kung Flu.

My guess is that all 6 of them will have the Kung Flu by the end of the week.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: French G. on December 27, 2023, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: MillCreek on December 27, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
^^^Wait, wut?  She is putting masks on the cats?

No, the hoomins continued to mask. Understanding pathogens must be hard, same bunch that thinks vacuuming and locking the cats up helps us with our allergies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 27, 2023, 11:09:50 PM
I came down with something a few weeks ago.  I seem to be over the crud that was left over from it this week. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on December 28, 2023, 08:10:43 AM
Quote from: French G. on December 27, 2023, 12:24:30 PM
My mom has ditched several plans recently due to the sweet and sour sicken. Which is fine, me calling a half hour after you were supposed to be somewhere and the food is ready,  not fine. But she was late to both her kids wedding,  this year late to her sister's husband's funeral etc. Self centered until the vein in my forehead bursts... But anyway, once her and hubby both tested positive their doc said it was fine to stop masking in their own house. But she read somewhere that pets might get it so masks it was for the cats. No sense in me explaining she is pissing away the last decade of her life hiding from an  endemic disease.

Quote from: MillCreek on December 27, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
^^^Wait, wut?  She is putting masks on the cats?

Apparently it's a thing with some people

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/cats-are-wearing-coronavirus-masks-in-china

COVID-19 masks for pets spiked 500% during the COVID-19 pandemic. Top vets tell us why animals shouldn't wear one.
https://www.businessinsider.com/animals-pets-face-masks-sales-spike-covid-19-2021-1


Some people with nuts with the idea

https://www.insider.com/coronavirus-face-masks-pets-dogs-2020-3

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 28, 2023, 12:59:19 PM
That dog mask only works if it is very cold.  Where I am, the dog would overheat without being able to hang its tongue out.  It looks a bit cruel to cover a dog's snout like that.

(https://i.insider.com/5e6156f0a9f40c119c125f64?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2023, 09:22:26 AM
On the Wuhan lab leak: It's all Tom Cotton's fault for people not believing it. Also, what difference does it make? OK Boomer Hillary.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/28/the-reason-the-covid-lab-leak-talk-became-toxic-was-because-of-sen-tom-cotton-n2391216
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on December 29, 2023, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Ben on December 29, 2023, 09:22:26 AM
On the Wuhan lab leak: It's all Tom Cotton's fault for people not believing it. Also, what difference does it make? OK Boomer Hillary.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/28/the-reason-the-covid-lab-leak-talk-became-toxic-was-because-of-sen-tom-cotton-n2391216
The lab leak idea was dismissed early because people in power knew the CDC and other sources were funding the lab in question.  It was an attempt at a cover up.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Tuco on December 29, 2023, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: MechAg94 on December 29, 2023, 09:47:57 AM
The lab leak idea was dismissed early because people in power knew the CDC and other sources were funding the lab in question.  It was an attempt at a cover up.
That's the conclusion I reached with the information available at the time and don't recall being surprised at all. 
No, it wasn't peer reviewed, I can't provide sources, but whatever. I'm comfortable in my faith.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on December 29, 2023, 01:28:52 PM
I'm seeing a few more maskers... A few people insisting on "touchless" product delivery (gigglesnort).
 
Mostly still generally uneducated folks who watch too much television. Some of the youts have quit wearing the masks, because they got tired of getting side-eyed.
 
St. Louis City has taken pretty much all current mortality figures off their data web page. They are back to "cases" and "spread." People catch it. They get over it, unless they're already hanging out in Death's Waiting Room. Just like the flu, the "crud" has always been. I figure that some of the "free testing centers" have some serious frequent flyers - the folks who will take advantage of anything that is free. I have a guy who wants me to plug a code reader into his car every week. He thinks that keeps it running better. Sigh.
 
In "jobs that suck," they have someone testing sewage.
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 10, 2024, 07:49:31 AM
Man, loudmouth and tough guy Howard Stern is kind of a big barrel of weaksauce.

https://www.outkick.com/howard-stern-finally-got-covid-back-to-lockdown/
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2024, 03:47:23 PM
Fauci cracks?
Of course exactly how he worded this stuff is the devil in the details.

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During his second day of marathon grilling by Congress, the former White House advisor confessed that the lab leak - the idea Covid was engineered and accidentally released from a lab in Wuhan - was 'not a conspiracy theory'.

The U-turn is significant because he was the chief architect of a 2020 paper that discounted the theory. Fauci's friends and former colleagues also spearheaded a paper in the Lancet that called believers conspiracy theorists and racists.
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Fauci also U-turned on his views of President Donald Trump's 2020 orders to restrict incoming travelers from China.

He told Congress yesterday that he supported the ban - despite publicly criticizing the move in 2020.
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Dr Fauci told the committee that scientific data was not a driver of the blanket six-feet-distance recommendation to reduce the spread of the virus, saying that the rule 'just sort of appeared.'

Fauci FINALLY coughs up to Covid failures: Admits lab leak is credible, reveals HE told schools to impose vaccine mandates and even praises Trump on China!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12947075/Fauci-FINALLY-coughs-Covid-failures-admitting-lab-leak-credible-praising-Trump-China-revealing-told-schools-impose-vaccine-mandates.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 11, 2024, 04:38:58 PM
Da KOVIDZ IS SPREDIN LIKE WILDFIRE BUT NO ONE IS PANICKING! WHY IS NO ONE PANICKING?????

https://www.wired.com/story/theres-a-huge-covid-surge-right-now-you-probably-didnt-notice/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on January 14, 2024, 07:55:44 PM
Fair increase over the past few days of folks with masks and moderately to interestingly crazy eyes...
 
Some of 'em are starting to do the covid dance too...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2024, 07:53:50 AM
News here today is that Tom Shales, a Pulitzer prize winner with the Washington Post (retired), has died of COVID.

I'm sure it will be blamed on Trump even though he was close to 80, overweight, and apparently had ongoing medical issues.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2024, 08:47:18 AM
Don't worry, Disease X will come around and everyone will forget about COVID.  It is apparently a placeholder for the next pandemic.  I guess it is assumed there will be one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/disease-x-next-pandemic-covid-b2478659.html
World leaders to meet to discuss threat of hypothetical ‘Disease X’ pandemic in Davos

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2024, 09:54:20 AM
All clear on the covid at the World Economic Forum!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1747726039139107033
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: cordex on January 18, 2024, 09:56:34 AM
To be fair, she has a painted-on mask, and that's probably about as effective in stopping COVID as the masks they were demanding we wear.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2024, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Ben on January 18, 2024, 09:54:20 AM
All clear on the covid at the World Economic Forum!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1747726039139107033

 :rofl:

Quote
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Wow, I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was at Davos
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1747792804560994770
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 18, 2024, 02:13:19 PM
So they just didn't use the right "medicine" back in the day when smallpox blankets were a thing and the pre-colony plagues spread around. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 26, 2024, 03:15:36 PM
https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/01/26/covid-19-lab-leak-case-closed-n607609

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New documents may explain why no one has been able to find the SARS2 virus (aka SARS-CoV-2) infesting a colony of bats, from which it might have jumped to people. The reason would be that the virus has never existed in the natural world. Documents obtained by U.S. Right to Know, a health advocacy group, provide a recipe for assembling SARS-type viruses from six synthetic pieces of DNA designed to be a consensus sequence—the genetically most infectious form—of viruses related to SARS1, the bat virus that caused the minor epidemic of 2002. The probative weight of the recipe is that prior independent evidence already pointed to SARS2 having just such a six-section structure.

The documents unearthed by U.S. Right to Know, and analyzed by its reporter Emily Kopp, include drafts and planning materials for the already-known DEFUSE proposal, an application to DARPA, a Pentagon research agency, for a $14 million grant to enhance SARS-like bat viruses.

Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on January 26, 2024, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on January 26, 2024, 03:15:36 PM
https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/01/26/covid-19-lab-leak-case-closed-n607609
But multiple "SCIENTISTS" told us it was natural!! 

The only thing consistent about the government is they lie to us. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on January 26, 2024, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: MechAg94 on January 26, 2024, 04:31:33 PM
But multiple "SCIENTISTS" told us it was natural!! 

To be fair, only the extremist fascist ones.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 04:45:12 PM
But what if the bats are fascist?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrIB2zDWYAILCfB?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2024, 05:23:51 PM
I was not aware he was doing this even three years ago, but this moron is CURRENTLY prosecuting people with felony charges for having fake covid vaccine cards. All while he just let a bunch of punks beat the crap out of some cops and let them head off to California, bail free.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/02/04/alvin-bragg-charging-fake-vaccine-cardholders-n2392540
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Jim147 on February 04, 2024, 06:02:17 PM
Yeah, he wants to be the next Democratic president.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ron on February 11, 2024, 01:45:53 PM
I'll just leave this here as a data point. Not that this wasn't already known.
https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/cdc-warns-cdcs-own-scientists-that
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 18, 2024, 11:44:01 AM
Couldn't decide where to put this but I guess the mask comment and photo puts it here

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alyssa edes
@alyssaedes
Jfc @united
, the air quality on this flight is horrifying and one, maybe two other people on this full flight of 170 people are wearing a mask. A reading like this means air is not circulating. CO2 itself at these levels are unhealthy, not to mention viruses being breathed out.
https://twitter.com/alyssaedes/status/1758614533185147350

Party like it's 2020

Masked 'Recovering Journo' Shaming United for Plane Air Quality ACCIDENTALLY Funniest Post of the Day
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/18/recovering-journo-mask-airline-n2393062

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGfaRtwXUAAet-_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2024, 11:55:55 AM
I like how she's complaining about CO2 while wearing a mask that inhibits release of her own CO2 build up. I will give her props for, from the photo, actually wearing a mask properly with what looks like a good seal. Something rarely seen when covid scolds post selfies.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2024, 11:55:24 AM
Kframe's norovirus thread reminded me of this: It's completely unscientific, and I'm my only data point, but after getting the OG covid19 back in 2019 (and a fairly potent case of it), I've simply had no illness of any consequence. I used to, like clockwork, get at least a couple of bad colds a year that would last a good week and knock me down. Since the OG, I've not had a single "real" cold. I can't help but think my natural immunity to the covid19 is protecting me against other covid forms. I've never taken a vaccine.

I've had a few instances where I felt like a cold was coming on, but at the most I took an airborne and Emergen-C cocktail, and maybe some night time Theraflu, and the next day was back to at least 90% if not 100%. I think one time it might have taken two days, but no entire weeks like before. Also, I'm currently in physical therapy, and about ten days ago when I was in, pretty much the entire staff there was sick. Sneezing, coughing, the works. I was actually kinda pissed off thinking I'd be getting sick for sure. Sure enough, a few days later I felt a tickle in my nose and what would normally be the beginning of something, but I took the cocktail and the next morning was fit as a fiddle.

Without more data, the null hypothesis would say "coincidence", but unscientifically, I can't help but think there's something to it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: K Frame on February 24, 2024, 01:39:26 PM
Bull crap.

It's all the mask wearin' that Antony Fauchi made you do.

:rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on February 25, 2024, 06:54:21 AM
Partying like it's 2020 at The Rolling Stone

Rolling Stone Investigates What Type of Mask We Should Be Wearing Right Now
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/02/24/rolling-stone-investigates-what-type-of-mask-we-should-be-wearing-right-now-n2393275
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on February 25, 2024, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: WLJ on February 18, 2024, 11:44:01 AM
Couldn't decide where to put this but I guess the mask comment and photo puts it here
https://twitter.com/alyssaedes/status/1758614533185147350

Party like it's 2020

Masked 'Recovering Journo' Shaming United for Plane Air Quality ACCIDENTALLY Funniest Post of the Day
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/18/recovering-journo-mask-airline-n2393062


Regardless of her mask stuff, I can see being concerned about air quality on airlines these days.  The stuff we have seen pictures of like missing bolts or wing damage are the things we can see. 
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on February 25, 2024, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: Ben on February 24, 2024, 11:55:24 AM
Kframe's norovirus thread reminded me of this: It's completely unscientific, and I'm my only data point, but after getting the OG covid19 back in 2019 (and a fairly potent case of it), I've simply had no illness of any consequence. I used to, like clockwork, get at least a couple of bad colds a year that would last a good week and knock me down. Since the OG, I've not had a single "real" cold. I can't help but think my natural immunity to the covid19 is protecting me against other covid forms. I've never taken a vaccine.

I've had a few instances where I felt like a cold was coming on, but at the most I took an airborne and Emergen-C cocktail, and maybe some night time Theraflu, and the next day was back to at least 90% if not 100%. I think one time it might have taken two days, but no entire weeks like before. Also, I'm currently in physical therapy, and about ten days ago when I was in, pretty much the entire staff there was sick. Sneezing, coughing, the works. I was actually kinda pissed off thinking I'd be getting sick for sure. Sure enough, a few days later I felt a tickle in my nose and what would normally be the beginning of something, but I took the cocktail and the next morning was fit as a fiddle.

Without more data, the null hypothesis would say "coincidence", but unscientifically, I can't help but think there's something to it.

Ben - here's another anecdotal story for your "data points".
There were times between October and March when I would start off with a sinus "headache" and pressure that would advance to post-nasal drip.  That led to a hot & scratchy & burning sore throat, and finally upper chest congestion.  That could last from two to 6 weeks unless I caught it early.  At the first sign, I would start gargling with hot salt water, as hot and salty as I could stand it.  Doing that at the very beginning kept to no more than 7 days.  I almost never had a fever and the few times I did it never went over 100.
Add to that, I have never had a flu shot nor has any doctor ever diagnosed me as having HAD the flu.  I don't remember as a child or teen that I ever had a high fever that might indicate the flu either.
And K Frame, the only times I ever wore a mask in the last 3 years is when absolutely forced to when either I went to a doctor for some physical ailment OR took my elderly parent to their doctor.  And THAT came off as soon as we were in the treatment room.
*snicker* One time I was going into a WalFart when this young male employee standing outside tried to tell me it was "the law" to wear the mask.  Despite the fact that this "kid" was over 6' and 250 lbs (compared to my 5'7" and 225 lbs.), I turned on him and had him backed in the corner when I "forcefully" reminded him that it was NOT the "law" but an illegal dictate from the bloated pig of a governor (Prickster) using 30 day "emergency orders" to rule and circumvent the legislature.
I went on in - mask-less.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on February 25, 2024, 07:16:23 PM
I work with a fellow who is a devout follower of CNN...
 
I enjoy bringing up stuff like "real science" with him.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 01, 2024, 09:12:32 AM
I predict that within five years, history will be scrubbed enough that anyone who brings up the progressives calling the 19 a natural bat virus will be called conspiracy theorists.


https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/03/01/new-york-post-scientists-may-have-started-covid-n2393488
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 11:50:03 AM
You know what they REALLY don't want to talk about? How the Hong Kong dissidents from 2018-19 all disappeared for "reeducation," and none of them came back.
 
And then people were just collapsing in China's streets and they were welding up apartment buildings. Sure...

 
China was looking for an excuse/coverup, and we actually helped them with it.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2024, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 11:50:03 AM
You know what they REALLY don't want to talk about? How the Hong Kong dissidents from 2018-19 all disappeared for "reeducation," and none of them came back.
 
And then people were just collapsing in China's streets and they were welding up apartment buildings. Sure...

 
China was looking for an excuse/coverup, and we actually helped them with it.

Since when has China given a rat's arse what the world thinks about people disappearing. Besides the timing doesn't really work.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 12:06:11 PM
Remember the headlines about the giant crematoriums and the huge cloud resulting? That was very early covid...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2024, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 12:06:11 PM
Remember the headlines about the giant crematoriums and the huge cloud resulting? That was very early covid...

China has had giant crematoriums for a long time, they cremate everyone and there's a whole lot of them.

More than likely the missing people were send to labor camps put to work making I-Phones for Americans
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2024, 07:39:02 PM
Because the previous 150 shots worked so well

CDC Now Recommending Multiple COVID Booster Doses Per Year
https://www.outkick.com/analysis/cdc-now-recommending-multiple-covid-booster-doses-per-year
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 09:07:03 PM
Well, they haven't come home, and it _was_ enough of a blip to be noticed... While everyone was believing the "bodies in the streets" stuff.
 
These guys were actually injecting disinfectant... Oh, wait... Not really... Not like TRUMP wanted people to do... Nope. Not at all...
 
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=covid-19+collapsing+in+china+streets&t=h_&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvLdwCdyiDCw
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 09:10:23 PM
I particularly like how one fellow gets a little bit more comfy after he faceplants...
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2024, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 01, 2024, 09:07:03 PM
Well, they haven't come home, and it _was_ enough of a blip to be noticed... While everyone was believing the "bodies in the streets" stuff.
 

They may have very well have "dispose" of the Hong Kong dissidents, just saying smoke from huge crematoriums isn't proof they did since smoke from huge crematoriums is business as usual in China.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: MechAg94 on March 01, 2024, 11:04:00 PM
CDC officially drops five-day covid isolation guidelines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/03/01/new-cdc-covid-isolation-guidelines/
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The basic advice is the same: Stay home and away from others when you’re sick. Under the new approach, people who test positive for the coronavirus no longer need to isolate at home if they have been fever-free for at least 24 hours without the aid of medication and their overall symptoms are improving.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 02, 2024, 07:46:52 AM
There was a lot of smoke that showed up on satellites... Seriously, people believed that bad cinema.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2024, 12:49:16 PM
Holy cow, that works out to an avg of 7.5 shots per month!

German man received 217 coronavirus vaccine shots over a 29-month period, study says
https://www.foxnews.com/world/german-man-received-217-coronavirus-vaccine-shots-over-29-month-period-study-says
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2024, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: WLJ on March 06, 2024, 12:49:16 PM
Holy cow, that works out to an avg of 7.5 shots per month!

German man received 217 coronavirus vaccine shots over a 29-month period, study says
https://www.foxnews.com/world/german-man-received-217-coronavirus-vaccine-shots-over-29-month-period-study-says

The healthiest man alive. He will never die.
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: BobR on March 06, 2024, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2024, 01:32:39 PM
The healthiest man alive. He will never die.

Or patient zero for the impending zombie apocalypse!

bob
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Bogie on March 06, 2024, 03:43:53 PM
Seems he was selling shot cards...
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: JTHunter on March 07, 2024, 03:43:11 PM
Quote from: Bogie on March 06, 2024, 03:43:53 PM
Seems he was selling shot cards...

So he was a "capitalistic entrepreneur" !!  :rofl:
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2024, 02:50:35 PM
The Epoch Times made a FOIA request for the CDC data on covid vaccinations and myocarditis. The CDC sent them the reports... 100% redacted.

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/03/09/most-transparent-administration-in-history-jack-cdc-releases-report-on-vaccine-myocarditis-n2393782
Title: Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2024, 03:02:24 PM
Nothing suspicious about that at all