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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: zahc on February 16, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
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So, is anyone actually taking any action? Either against the virus or against possible government quarantine action, or supply chain disruption?
A guy I know who uses lots of dust masks said his usual sources are out, and prices are going up on eBay.
Is there any reason to anticipate food shortages, either legitimate or caused by irrational hoarding or rationing?
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I had to take my wife to the ER last night. (That’s another story.). Of five staff in the ER, they all had on masks until my wife confirmed that she hadn’t been in China recently. After that, all but one removed his/her mask.
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Glad to be in the country. I have no immune system so I stay away from people.
As far as food goes I can walk to the pit and fish or grab a rifle and hunt.
Hank thought me just how to stay alive.
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I'm heading yo Costco tomorrow.
Getting rice and beans.
Probably pick up a bunch of pasta and sauce.
I'll use it all eventually so it won't go to waste.
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I picked a half gallon of whisky.
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I picked a half gallon of whisky.
A fine dual purpose disinfectant, good thinking.
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I picked a half gallon of whisky.
Here I thought I was fine with the couple months of food we keep on hand, but I've only got 1 shot of Maker's Mark left!
I hang my head in shame.
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Beans, rice, canned chicken, cooking oil, n95 masks, gloves, antiseptic lotion and wipes, multivitamins...
Im not sure any if it is going to do much good tbh, we have school aged kids, and I works in a place that draws workers from hundreds of sq miles.
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What about markets? Aside from the general "panic and uncertainty" sell-offs, are there any commodities or stock sectors which might take a hit? Will this, assuming it gets worse that is, boost the healthcare sectors or tank them?
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How much daily food stuff do we as a country actually get from China?
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How much daily food stuff do we as a country actually get from China?
Don't know the numbers right offhand, but I'm certain it's nearly 0.
It's not the importaion of food to possibly be worried about, but the disruption of life from quarantines from the importation of the virus.
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Gotcha.
The reason I ask. My wife works in a high end lamp shop. The lamp suppliers are stating that the disruption in China is significant. The outbreak coincided with the Chinese New Year. Quarantines are causing shut down of plants. This I can understand.
The suppliers were discussing the horrible disruption of supplies and were including drugs and food.
I’m thinking the drugs and food were hyperbolic exaggerations.
Most generics are made in India at least that’s my understanding.
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https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2018/07/29/is-your-generic-medication-made-in-china-and-is-it-safe/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-manufacturing-of-most-us-medicine-and-vitamins-poses-security-threat-researchers-say_2497862.html
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Most generics are made in India at least that’s my understanding.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61772.msg1242208#msg1242208
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I would say that you prep the same way you do for most any other emergency/natural disaster - at least a couple of weeks of food available, water or ways to make potable water, fuel for a generator if you have one, batteries, cash, etc. All the stuff we usually recommend in a preparedness thread for hurricane, earthquake, etc.
The only thing I might add for this is masks (though most don't know how to wear them properly) and gloves if you have to interact with people, and ways to thoroughly "decontaminate" afterwards (and I'm actually not sure what proper methods are). This is assuming we are at China level vs where we are now.
If we were at China levels, I'd still be more worried about overblown panic runs on supplies (food, gasoline, etc.) than contracting the virus. YMMV depending on where you live.
The stock market is an interesting side discussion. We already had a small taste of market panic with a quick recovery. I would assume the same thing would happen, but with a longer market recovery time, if, again, we were at "China level". I would probably be an uncaring capitalist and throw money into any panic drops. I'm not sure if I would invest specifically in the health sector, unless it was some ETF or something. I think making money on an individual stock would be difficult. If you happened to guess right about who came up with the first cure, medication, or whatever, you could bring in some dough, but I don't like the odds of guessing right. I would rather invest in an overall market panic drop.
EDIT: Oh, regarding zahc's mask shortage comment, yeah, I wish I would have invested in masks. For kicks, I typed "coronavirus mask" into Amazon, and yeah, prices are up. I use these masks for general stuff:
https://www.amazon.com/3M-N95-Masks-Model-8210V/dp/B084D81PM7/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=coronavirus+mask&qid=1581945878&sr=8-19
I checked my past orders, and the last time I bought them, I paid $14 for 20 of them. Now $120 for ten. Holy hell.
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I bought a box of 10 N95 masks last week for around $20.
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I bought a box of 10 N95 masks last week for around $20.
I'm thinking Amazon sellers are taking advantage of people who don't know how to shop anywhere else. I did a little searching, and while some other online sellers are jacking up prices, they are still cheaper than Amazon. A quick look at Home Despot showed N95 masks available in-store at most of the local stores im my area in limited quantities, but at what appears to be regular pricing.
Also, not all N95 masks are created equal:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/n95list1.html
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I visited a friend in the hospital Friday. They had lots of free masks at the hand sanitizing "infection control" kiosk just inside the door.
(I grabbed a couple on my way out)
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If we go to defcon 5 mask level, you're going need to wear them 24/7 if you're around people and will need to change them often. Wash hands before and after removal.
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My wife picked up a case of Yuengling lager for me at Sam's Club today. I should be good to go.
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A: take good care if yourselves, emotionally and physically.
1. If you don’t exercise, start right now, if you do, up your efforts
2. Avoid stress and anxiety- whatever comes is beyond your control, but be prepared.
3. Get your servings of fruits and veggies in every day. Take your multivitamins. I’ve been hearing chatter that D3 and K2 is supposedly particularly important.
B. Consider getting out of the markets and convert equities into cash or PMs ASAP. I missed the boat on Friday. I had already cashed out of my stocks in my IRAs and cash accounts over a week ago, i wish i would gave done the same for my 401k on Friday, but i procrastinated. You might want to buy some long term puts on the major index funds, if you have permission level on your accounts- don’t go overboard, i wouldnt risk more than 2% on a position. Worst case scenario- you’ ll thank me later when all of the sheep wake up and do the same, best case scenario, the market goes into a sliw decline ir goes flat, in which case you lose nothing anyway.
C. Avoid public places. The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.
By all accounts, things are far worse than you are being told.
I don’t want anyone to panic, I just really care about all of you curmudgeons and goofballs.
ETA: use your own intuition. You know in your gut that the situation in china is far worse than is being reported. WHO has been parroting the lies, as has the CDC- they are all shitting their pants.
From everything that ive filtered through so far, it almost looks like the WuFlu is like airborne super-AIDS, people aren’t getting better from it, just going into remission after their body fights off the initial infection.
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I’m not particularly scared,I’ve had a good run, and am in the mode of doing the best to protect my family right now.
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Don't sugar coat it buddy 😉
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I would agree on eating healthy at least from a nutrition standpoint along with basic exercise for health.
I got a little more food. Some rice and canned stuff and some of those red beans and rice mixes. I might get more canned stuff later as I ended up throwing away some I had that was long expired.
I wasn't thinking in terms of having cash on hand. I will have to think about that.
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A: take good care if yourselves, emotionally and physically.
1. If you don’t exercise, start right now, if you do, up your efforts
2. Avoid stress and anxiety- whatever comes is beyond your control, but be prepared.
3. Get your servings of fruits and veggies in every day. Take your multivitamins. I’ve been hearing chatter that D3 and K2 is supposedly particularly important.
B. Consider getting out of the markets and convert equities into cash or PMs ASAP. I missed the boat on Friday. I had already cashed out of my stocks in my IRAs and cash accounts over a week ago, i wish i would gave done the same for my 401k on Friday, but i procrastinated. You might want to buy some long term puts on the major index funds, if you have permission level on your accounts- don’t go overboard, i wouldnt risk more than 2% on a position. Worst case scenario- you’ ll thank me later when all of the sheep wake up and do the same, best case scenario, the market goes into a sliw decline ir goes flat, in which case you lose nothing anyway.
C. Avoid public places. The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.
By all accounts, things are far worse than you are being told.
I don’t want anyone to panic, I just really care about all of you curmudgeons and goofballs.
ETA: use your own intuition. You know in your gut that the situation in china is far worse than is being reported. WHO has been parroting the lies, as has the CDC- they are all shitting their pants.
From everything that ive filtered through so far, it almost looks like the WuFlu is like airborne super-AIDS, people aren’t getting better from it, just going into remission after their body fights off the initial infection.
Other than "gut feeling" do you have any solid sources of info?
I'm all for preparing, but I don't want to waste my time/effort/money on nothing.
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I read somewhere this morning that .gov and medical are ramping things up I'll see if I can find a link after I get some rest just got in.
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A fine dual purpose disinfectant, good thinking.
Only if its around 140 proof. Everclear is cheaper and easier to get to the right concentation (70% ethyl alcohol).
I got a little more food. Some rice and canned stuff and some of those red beans and rice mixes. I might get more canned stuff later as I ended up throwing away some I had that was long expired.
Same here. Soups, rice, beans, canned veggies, pasta and sauces. Also replenished the ground beef and fish in the freezer. I estimate could go no food for about 35-40 days if I had to just on the reserves I still cart around daily. These would stretch that out another three weeks or before having to crack into deep survival reserves.
The time to hunker down is coming up real fast. Work from home if you can. You might want to start considering whether your job is more important than your health or survival. There are likely thousands of undiagnosed cases in the US already, and there isn’t much that can be done about it, .gov is trying to avoid causing a wide spread panic, which will happen anyway.
I hope not. My current role requires I be onsite at the employer's campus, which has several hundred folks at least spread across four buildings with four floors each. Need to have a chat with a close friend tonight about prep, but odds are she's ahead me on that point.
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I hope not. My current role requires I be onsite at the employer's campus, which has several hundred folks at least spread across four buildings with four floors each. Need to have a chat with a close friend tonight about prep, but odds are she's ahead me on that point.
Would anyone notice if you showed up to work with protective headgear? =D
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ioctxl/images/stencil/960w/products/231/454/61400m3_ts__45918.1402688723.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
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Would anyone notice if you showed up to work with protective headgear? =D
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ioctxl/images/stencil/960w/products/231/454/61400m3_ts__45918.1402688723.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
OH yea, they sure would. I do have a respirator with HEPA filters on it, along with safety googles. Maybe I could strap one of the recycle Polycom phones to my chest, put a bucket on my head, add a black cape and tell folks that "I AM YOUR FATHER".
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Nooooooooooooooo!
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So I was bored and interested in how people are reacting to this via "last minute prepping", so I did some Amazon and other searches to see what people are making runs on and what the pricing changes are. Some interesting examples:
Auguson Farms, mentioned above, is out of stock on many items and have a notification that they are dealing with very high volume and asking for patience in lead times. They seem to have their normal prices though, including ongoing sales.
Masks/respirators are all over the place. If you do an Amazon search for "coronavirus mask", you have the opportunity to buy a $2 N95 mask for $30. Or I saw a five pack for $45 plus $45 shipping. On the other hand, if you change your search parameters to something like PPE or farm protection or hazmat cleanup, you could actually get something more useful than just a single mask like this cleanup kit for $17:
https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Multipurpose-Cleanup-Kit-Polyethylene/dp/B07SQ499NM/ref=sr_1_25?crid=1EGI36JU7NK24&keywords=tyvek+suit&qid=1582465164&sprefix=tyvek+sui%2Caps%2C311&sr=8-25
Or again, since the paper masks are really questionable for most people, since they won't wear them correctly, you can still get half face respirators with something like P100 filters (again ,geared towards construction, farming, etc.) for like $25, which is normal pricing (for now) and they are, IMO, more likely to be properly worn by dummies, if only by accident.
Then if you look at real respiratory protection - i.e., gas masks, regular people don't seem to have discovered them yet. Israeli military and civilian gas masks are still going for their normal prices of around $75 for unused from a reputable dealer. Or, if you, according to PewPewPew Tactical, want one of the best civilian masks on the market, you can still buy a Mira (Texas, USA) CM-6 or CM-7 with one cartridge for around $275, which is their regular price. Though they have a message on their website that their current lead time is 4 weeks.
So it's seeming to me that for your general, non-APS public who don't think past today and don't even keep a first aid kit or fire extinguisher in their house, they are going to places like Amazon in a panic and being treated accordingly regarding prices for often crappy stuff. I even saw plain old dust masks for outrageous prices using the "coronavirus" search, which shows you might want to use creative searches to get the same thing for a normal price.
On the other hand, it appears people familiar with preparedness (not just SHTF, but natural disaster, etc.) who are feeling "under-prepared" are hitting those preparedness oriented sites, and while there might be shortages or long waits, those vendors don't seem to be taking advantage and jacking up prices.
This is occurring during what IMO, is not yet (and may never be) panic time in the US. This seems more like people saying, "Hey, this might get serious and I should have had stuff before, but I'm going to buy stuff now for just in case." I'll be curious to see how it evolves if things here in the homeland get more serious.
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So your saying I could buy some dust masks and make a killing?
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Couldn't get link to copy but NBC News says Italy has locked down ten towns.
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Couldn't get link to copy but NBC News says Italy has locked down ten towns.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-updates-10-italian-communities-lockdown-death-toll-rises-china-n1141321
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So your saying I could buy some dust masks and make a killing?
Apparently. =D
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Conspiracy wise who knows the truth?
The one axium you can count on is this, the official narrative is not true at all at worst and woefully incomplete at best.
We're on a need to know and it has been determined we don't need to know much or the truth.
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I have a few 3M full face respirators lying around that I wear for grinding or working with paint/solvents around the house. I honestly don’t know if respirators are going to be enough without some sort of thorough decon protocol.
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So how much could I get for the free masks I can grab from the infection control kiosk right inside the main door at the hospital?
The hand sanitizer makes great fire starter, maybe I’ll fill a jar or 2 of that while I’m there.
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This retardedness is causing supply issues for those of us who do need masks for work...I often wear one for dusty environments
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This retardedness is causing supply issues for those of us who do need masks for work...I often wear one for dusty environments
We are still well stocked with N95 masks at work, but I work for a HUGE corporation.
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After this weekend, I now have 1500ml of whiskey on hand.
Whew, that nightmare is over.
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Well i might have a weekends worth if you showed up here.
Not a clue what you will drink.
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After this weekend, I now have 1500ml of whiskey on hand.
Whew, that nightmare is over.
Pfft. That's like the guy who thinks 1000 rounds of ammo is enough. :P =D
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So if it gets bad here what are you thinking?
Ice storm level run on milk, bread and toilet paper or something much worse?
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I was expecting that there would be more negative stock market reaction. I do have to admit though, that I agree with one of the commenters at the URL that Goldman Sachs using the term "non-linear" could get me a little nervous.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/23/goldman-sachs-warns-over-coronavirus-supply-chain-inventory-risk-from-china/
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Non-linear as in, ‘the big players have slowly and quietly pulled out, and the rest of us end up in a panic sell off’
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Looks like Peak Prosperity is keeping up with current info:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom
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Looks like Peak Prosperity is keeping up with current info:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom
That was an interesting video. Especially food for thought was the incubation period and likely 40 day quarantines for safety. Coupled with the current empty food shelves in Italy shown in the video.
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That was an interesting video. Especially food for thought was the incubation period and likely 40 day quarantines for safety. Coupled with the current empty food shelves in Italy shown in the video.
I recently had a thought that the grocery pick-up services might be a very useful thing if quarantines become widespread here. No one allowed to shop in stores but the employees, who could put it in your trunk wearing a facemask, at least. (Could go with a whole suit, if people are scared enough.)
We should be able to keep at least food supply chains going with minimal human-human interaction. Truck driver pulls up, stays in the cab. Store workers remove the contents and put them in the store.
Other store workers "shop" for people who have ordered online and load them into a trunk. Driver stays in the car and opens the trunk at home.
There is some possibility for contamination through the goods themselves, but that's a decreased likelihood, from what I've been reading about transmission.
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I recently had a thought that the grocery pick-up services might be a very useful thing if quarantines become widespread here. No one allowed to shop in stores but the employees, who could put it in your trunk wearing a facemask, at least. (Could go with a whole suit, if people are scared enough.)
We should be able to keep at least food supply chains going with minimal human-human interaction. Truck driver pulls up, stays in the cab. Store workers remove the contents and put them in the store.
Other store workers "shop" for people who have ordered online and load them into a trunk. Driver stays in the car and opens the trunk at home.
There is some possibility for contamination through the goods themselves, but that's a decreased likelihood, from what I've been reading about transmission.
I think that all makes sense, other than our Just in Time inventory systems in most stores. They are all set up for some set number of interactions per day. You get panic runs, and transportation won't be able to keep up.
If your average moron US resident would listen to even the bare minimum numbers the federal government puts out with 72 hours of food and water, there would likely be a good enough buffer to allow transportation to catch up to demand spike, or to allow the fed.gov to show up with MREs and water. But we have only to look at Hurricane Katrina to see how prepared people are to go even a day without a grocery store.
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I think that all makes sense, other than our Just in Time inventory systems in most stores. They are all set up for some set number of interactions per day. You get panic runs, and transportation won't be able to keep up.
If your average moron US resident would listen to even the bare minimum numbers the federal government puts out with 72 hours of food and water, there would likely be a good enough buffer to allow transportation to catch up to demand spike, or to allow the fed.gov to show up with MREs and water. But we have only to look at Hurricane Katrina to see how prepared people are to go even a day without a grocery store.
I've messaged several of my friends this weekend to get ready and have food on hand for at least a few weeks, all of the responses were "for what?" :facepalm:
One of my friends, probably the smartest person I've ever met, responded 'LOLFLu' at first, I told him to google 'covid-19', 10 minutes later I got a reply back 'oh *expletive deleted*it.'
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I did notice that some of the long shelf life food was showing long deliveries on Amazon. Not all of it, but some, especially the all-in-one type packages.
I haven't heard anyone around me talking about the virus, not even family. Some of that is there isn't much we can do about it.
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If we get to the point of having discussions on "what caliber for COVID-19 zombies?", I will worry a bit more.
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I've started laying in more canned goods... Soup, beans, tomatos, etc. Also laying in and freezing things like chicken and ground turkey.
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I've started laying in more canned goods... Soup, beans, tomatos, etc. Also laying in and freezing things like chicken and ground turkey.
We have... wait, I can't say tons, that might be taken literally in this group.... LOTS of canned goods. Probably not enough currently, but a few trips to ALDI and we should be fine.
Additionally, I always like to have at least a 10lb bag of rice in reserve, while we go through the 5lb jar in the kitchen.
I could probably get a few more dried beans. I think we only have 5 or 6 lbs of that.
We also have the 25 year shelf-life foods. One entire pantry shelf of those. That's at least one month of food there. Lots more if used in conjunction with other foods.
Our freezer (which I had to clear out late last year because the door had been left barely open for a few days and thawed nearly everything... THANKFULLY the bacon was on the bottom and remained frozen) is pretty well stocked. I think we've got 10lbs of hamburger, 15 lbs pork loin, unknown lbs of fish (probably over 10, though), and lots of miscellaneous other items (a few porkchops, some roast, a chicken, etc...)
I would like to get some more of the UHT Milk. We're down to one quart. I'd like to have at least 3 gallons.
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Yeah, you're not prepping for the Corona virus... you're prepping for the apocalypse.
And, don't you know, that since this virus originated in Asia, by keeping rice on hand as an emergency provision just proves that you're a racist bastard?
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If we get to the point of having discussions on "what caliber for COVID-19 zombies?", I will worry a bit more.
We need a mod to change the thread title to this.
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Yeah, you're not prepping for the Corona virus... you're prepping for the apocalypse.
And, don't you know, that since this virus originated in Asia, by keeping rice on hand as an emergency provision just proves that you're a racist bastard?
To modify the State Farm Commercial:
"Well, I'm white... so...."
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Given the amount of meat (mostly chicken, turkey, albacore and lamb) in my freezer I think I can stay fed for quite a while. More salt and even if power goes out for a long time and I can still stay fed (though water becomes an issue with no power). Some extra rice and veggies and we could stay healthy for a long time if things get bad.
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Iran is doing a bang up job.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/25/new-irans-deputy-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
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Iran is doing a bang up job.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/25/new-irans-deputy-health-minister-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
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The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
It is the will of allah ...
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I'm surprised you guys haven't figured it out.
The reason the Kung Flu isn't ripping through the United States is because the Government's Chemtrails program has been distributing a vaccine for the past 2 months. I heard it from a guy on the interwebs, so it must be true.
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I probably have 150# frozen meat, kind of low in the bacon department with just 6#. I do need to get rice and canned veggies/other canned stuff. .
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The Iranian death rate is very high. I’m not sure if that is due to quality of care, a demographic difference in who was infected, a statistical anomaly, or if they are only detecting the most severe cases. Regardless, they are at almost a 17% death rate at the moment.
20% infected require intensive care treatment, 5% require a ventilator while in intensive care. Without a solid healthcare system, most of those will die.
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I meant to post this yesterday. I got some advice on prepping. Get a decent supply of bleach and vinegar. 10% bleach solution to clean countertops and other surfaces. Vinegar solution to soak or wash fruits and vegetables after you buy them. It was something I wasn't thinking about so I thought I would pass it on.
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^^^^^ Note that when using bleach, dwell time, PPE, pre-cleaning of surfaces to be disinfected, and using fresh solutions are key. When doing infection control in healthcare environments, dwell time is usually the failure point.
https://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/10/Guidelines-for-Using-Bleach-updated.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/
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I meant to post this yesterday. I got some advice on prepping. Get a decent supply of bleach and vinegar. 10% bleach solution to clean countertops and other surfaces. Vinegar solution to soak or wash fruits and vegetables after you buy them. It was something I wasn't thinking about so I thought I would pass it on.
I was shopping Sunday evening, and noticed their supply of bleach had already been cleaned out.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-slovakia-election-primeminister-idUSKCN20H0A9
“Prime Minister Peter Pellegrini was hospitalized yesterday night due to acute upper respiratory tract infection accompanied with high temperature. Due to his condition, he is cancelling his entire schedule temporarily,” Pellegrini’s office said in a statement.
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CDC and others are starting to talk about pandemic planning if the virus starts spreading in the US...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/us-coronavirus-outbreak-increasingly-likely-and-could-drag-markets-jefferies-says.html
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I was shopping Sunday evening, and noticed their supply of bleach had already been cleaned out.
I'll have to check Costco the next time I'm there to see what their stock looks like. I don't need any because it's one place where Costco quantities are a great deal. I buy the three pack of bleach jugs and the two pack of vinegar jugs and am set for most of a year. Longer with the bleach because I use the vinegar for tons of stuff.
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CDC and others are starting to talk about pandemic planning if the virus starts spreading in the US...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/us-coronavirus-outbreak-increasingly-likely-and-could-drag-markets-jefferies-says.html
A couple of interesting points from link #2:
“We increasingly find it hard to believe that USA cases are as low as reported, and believe that given the flow of Chinese, Korean and Iranian nationals into North America, a large USA community-based outbreak is increasingly likely,” Powell wrote.
We don't think about the US government hiding numbers the way the Chinese and Iranians might, but???
Also, somehow this Powell guy managed to get in a, "Trump will spread the virus more." Nice.
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Yeah, I'm taking this seriously now.
I just put the finishing touches on a list of stuff I'm going to start laying in now, with the intention of having a 2 to 4 week supply of food just in case the Kung really hits the Flu.
Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.
I'm also going to lay in several additional pounds each of pork, chicken, and ground turkey in the deep freeze.
And, my local grocery has bottled water on sale right now, so I'm going to pick up a couple of flats of that.
I need to do the same thing for Seren, as well.
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Yeah, I'm taking this seriously now.
I just put the finishing touches on a list of stuff I'm going to start laying in now, with the intention of having a 2 to 4 week supply of food just in case the Kung really hits the Flu.
Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.
I'm also going to lay in several additional pounds each of pork, chicken, and ground turkey in the deep freeze.
And, my local grocery has bottled water on sale right now, so I'm going to pick up a couple of flats of that.
I need to do the same thing for Seren, as well.
Oh, I forgot about the 15+ boxes of mac n cheese we have.
I need to check how much pasta we have. I tend to stockpile and then whittle down. I think we're low. We do have 6-8 jars of pasta sauce, each one good for about 2 meals.
For those interested in shelf-stable milk, Dollar Tree carries it for $1 per quart. (I'll be picking more up this week.)
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I normally don't use milk, but I may pick up a quart just to have something for my coffee. Can you leave it out after it's opened or do you have to refrigerate it?
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In some of the latest news I heard today that a South Korean Airlines Flight Attendant tested positive for Covid-19. That could make things interesting, multiple exposures on multiple flights going to multiple destinations. Somebody at the CDC will be earning their paycheck this week.
In other news why are flight attendants always trying to destroy mankind with strange diseases? Patient zero in the AIDS epidemic was a flight attendant, just in case you forgot. Maybe we don't need a meteor, just a few more flight attendants. ;)
bob
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Flight attendants, the spawn of Satan.
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I normally don't use milk, but I may pick up a quart just to have something for my coffee. Can you leave it out after it's opened or do you have to refrigerate it?
As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening.
It's a different taste from normal milk. I'm fine with it, but the children complain. For cooking, I can't tell any difference.
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"As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening."
I didn't realize that you had to refrigerate flight attendants after you opened them. Maybe that's why they don't smell as fresh the next morning... >:D
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Main emphasis will be on durable foods -- dried beans, rice, pasta, canned soup, vegetables, jarred pasta sauce, oatmeal, canned/bagged meat (Spam and tuna, mainly) and peanut butter.
I would just suggest adding some fruit to that, or at least a bottle of vitamins to substitute.
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Fruit is on the list I made, it just didn't make the message here. I also have a strong supply of multi vitamins at home, so I'm good there, as well.
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"As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening."
I didn't realize that you had to refrigerate flight attendants after you opened them. Maybe that's why they don't smell as fresh the next morning... >:D
He edited it after I posted just to make me look silly! You're all out to get me!! [tinfoil] :old:
But, yes, be sure to refrigerate your "flight attendant." If that's what you want to call her.
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As Angel Eyes suggests, it needs refrigeration after opening.
It's a different taste from normal milk. I'm fine with it, but the children complain. For cooking, I can't tell any difference.
I'm so used to sweet alfalfa and silage, non alkaline watered dairy cows, that most milk tastes funny to me.
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I use the carnation powdered milk for some cooking, and when I have been out of regular milk and too embarrassingly lazy to hit the store, have used it in cereal and whatnot. Worked fine. The key is to have it really chilled.
https://www.amazon.com/Carnation-Instant-Milk-Powdered-22-75/dp/B082LYGPJ9?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
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I use the carnation powdered milk for some cooking, and when I have been out of regular milk and too embarrassingly lazy to hit the store, have used it in cereal and whatnot. Worked fine. The key is to have it really chilled.
https://www.amazon.com/Carnation-Instant-Milk-Powdered-22-75/dp/B082LYGPJ9?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
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I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
I buy it in I think 9oz six packs on Amazon.
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I've gotten that (or similar) in the past, but never use enough after opening such a big package. I can't really justify keeping it on hand.
Walmart has packages that make 1.5 or 3 qts at a time, can't recall off hand. I use it to make pudding for wilderness trips
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Used to keep four quarts of the dollar tree stuff in he cabin all,the time. The last few years have been a little rough on me so the long drive to get it wasn't a priority. It works great in gravy or even cereals . I would put one in fridge so it was cold and when it got opened I would put another in to chill. My daughter liked it better than regular milk.
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What is the accepted method for storing flour?
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What is the accepted method for storing flour?
Air tight in the freezer has worked for me for white and whole wheat flour. Also for cornmeal.
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If you're talking 5gal bucket quantities, a food grade bucket with airtight (more or less) lid in a dark, moderate temperature location.
Smaller quantities I might use gallon zip locks.
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Do the same as Larry any ground stuff is in the freezer until needed.
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Well, it's really starting to hit the front pages of the news sites now. Even if it's not severe, I expect at least another 2000 down on the Dow this week (dropped almost another 900 today), and let the panic buying of food and supplies commence.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-disruption-in-us-might-be-severe-cdc-official-says
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Seems to me that 2 to 4 weeks of supplies isn't going to be enough, if this goes full-on pandemic. It takes ~2 weeks for symptoms to appear.
With no vaccination and an unknown number of contagious people moving around this isn't going to go away soon. If the .gov steps in and starts shutting things (transport, movement, etc.) down, I think they'll be shut down for quite a while - months?
Got more than 2 months food stored, a few hundred thousand gallons of water in the pond (and a lot of filters, bleach etc.), ammo (never enough), a couple of (fairly) steady sources of income w/o having to go to work. Gonna buy more long term storage type foods tomorrow.
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Lack the money but more salt and gas would be nice to have. Can get fresh meat anytime here. Might have to trade defense for the Amish for fresh veggies.
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Thanks Jim147, I'd forgotten about the fuel supply. Only have ~20 gals on hand - think I'll top off the cans come Thursday.
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Thanks Jim147, I'd forgotten about the fuel supply. Only have ~20 gals on hand - think I'll top off the cans come Thursday.
I don't know if we'll see any gas hoarding, but I actually need another 5 gallon gas can anyway for my small engine stuff, and overly cautious or not, I think I'm going to fill the tanks on both vehicles whenever they get below 2/3 of a tank for the immediate future, just to keep them topped off. If nothing else, it will give me a buffer in case there are any price spikes on fuel.
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Just ordered some rechargeable batteries I've been putting off buying. Seem like most of them are coming from China nowadays.
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What is the accepted method for storing flour?
I keep 5# or 10# in the freezer so I never run out in the middle of baking/making something.
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Everything I've read says refined flour is good in a cool, dark place for 1-2 years. I just keep mine in the pantry. I usually bake a loaf of bread every week or two, so a ten pound bag never sits for more than 6 months.
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Everything I've read says refined flour is good in a cool, dark place for 1-2 years. I just keep mine in the pantry. I usually bake a loaf of bread every week or two, so a ten pound bag never sits for more than 6 months.
I got humidity where I live, freezer keeps it dry.
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I am thinking about the idea of cooking for myself for 3 or 4 weeks without any outside food. I made a list of more stuff to go get tomorrow. I probably have enough now, but need to keep it more interesting so it isn't just rice and Mountain House.
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I am thinking about the idea of cooking for myself for 3 or 4 weeks without any outside food. I made a list of more stuff to go get tomorrow. I probably have enough now, but need to keep it more interesting so it isn't just rice and Mountain House.
I've been doing the same thing with what I have for meat in the freezer, got a list going. Also picked up about 10# of bacon and brats from a meat locker on the way home.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak-2020-2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/
Good. Panic combined with incompetence is exactly what we need.
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Mayor London Breed announced Tuesday afternoon that while there haven't been any confirmed cases of the coronavirus disease, COVID-19, in San Francisco so far, the city needs to be prepared in case the virus spreads to the area.
In other words order free gloves and masks for the homeless and get the speech blaming Trump ready
I hope I am exaggerating but probably not by much if I am
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https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-covid19-outbreak-2020-2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/
Good. Panic combined with incompetence is exactly what we need.
SF probably needs to panic. It has a high density population center, high percentage of oriental population and visitors, plenty of human and animal body fluids spread around, fair weather that encourages outdoor social activity, and a strong mindset of "the government will protect me." On top of that, a large percentage of the population eats out daily and doesn't stock food for more than a few days in their tiny, overpriced apartments.
The same is true of LA, Seattle, Portland, and maybe some of the suburbs. East coast cities aren't exempt, either. NY, Boston, DC have similar issues.
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Since similar articles were posted here:
https://www.nola.com/news/healthcare_hospitals/article_3dcbc20c-536b-11ea-ad68-0f430ce8649a.html
Tulane primate center will receive coronavirus samples for vaccine development
The center's director, Jay Rappaport, said the north shore research facility that's home to several thousand monkeys is well-positioned to find a vaccine for the fast-spreading virus that originated in Wuhan, a city of 11 million in China's Hubei province.
Also some older news from a 1998:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/2-Dozen-Monkeys-Escape-From/5610
2 Dozen Monkeys Escape From Tulane Center
Two dozen rhesus monkeys broke out of the Tulane University Regional Primate Center last week and scurried for nearby woods, with workers following to recover them.
So, What is the best caliber to keep on hand for infected monkeys?
And what if the disease mutates and makes the monkeys really smart?
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So, What is the best caliber to keep on hand for infected monkeys?
And what if the disease mutates and makes the monkeys really smart?
12 gauge with large shot. #4 buck should be good for most monkeys.
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In our clinics, we have a metal stand in the waiting areas that hold a box of surgical masks, a bottle of hand sanitizer and some signage about covering your cough and notifying the front desk for certain symptoms. We have now moved those stands to storage: people were coming in off the street, grabbing the box of masks and sanitizer and running out.
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In my continued monitoring of price gouging, I saw that people have apparently discovered half-mask respirators. I'm not sure if they understand how most of them are sold. They sell just the respirator, and you buy cartridges separately. Some vendors are still selling the respirator for the 25 or so bucks they're worth, while others are selling respirators with no filters for $100. Filters for them are now approaching the price of the panic-priced paper N95 respirators.
I saw a photo from a San Francisco Home Depot where an Asian guy bought every N95 mask they had. It looked like at least a dozen cases. There is apparently a very profitable black market for Chinese here to buy them up and ship them to China.
Interestingly, nitrile and other exam gloves seem to mostly be normally priced. I saw some $100 boxes, but most of them were reasonably priced in the $15 range. I find that interesting, since hands are such big spreaders of disease. If things were to get bad enough in the US, I'd almost consider wearing gloves to the grocery store more critical than wearing a mask. Put them on in the car, do the shopping, remove them before reentering your car.
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Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
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Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
I would say to consider just about any personal hygiene product. Keep yourself in as good a shape as you can so other stuff doesn't drag down your immune system. Thankfully a lot of those things last a little while.
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And the first of today's daily dose of fun from CNBC...
Coronavirus live updates: Brazil confirms first case in Latin America, Italy cases triple over two days
Let's see if today's market gains hold up to that news.
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A few things heard on Fox Business this morning:
Iran is refusing to conduct any quarantine of areas or cities. Flights seem to be going in an out unhindered as well. If the virus spread spikes, it's gonna be third world shitholes that do it.
To go back to my still current belief that panic and emotion will do more harm than the virus regarding the availability of stuff in the US: Amazon, one of the largest retailers in the world, has just told all their sellers to overstock and hoard stuff that they sell to make sure they have sufficient inventory for what? For freakin' Amazon Day in July. When people might have to worry about acquiring staple goods in the present, that's almost criminal.
Trump is going to talk about virus response tonight. His Twitter snippet that I saw makes it look like it will be a "remain calm, all is well" speech. He has asked for $2.5 billion for response. Chuck Schumer immediately put in for $8.5 billion. Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!" It seems to me that $2.5 billion is good for now, given that it should be pretty darn easy to increase that quickly if things go bad.
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A few things heard on Fox Business this morning:
Iran is refusing to conduct any quarantine of areas or cities. Flights seem to be going in an out unhindered as well. If the virus spread spikes, it's gonna be third world shitholes that do it.
To go back to my still current belief that panic and emotion will do more harm than the virus regarding the availability of stuff in the US: Amazon, one of the largest retailers in the world, has just told all their sellers to overstock and hoard stuff that they sell to make sure they have sufficient inventory for what? For freakin' Amazon Day in July. When people might have to worry about acquiring staple goods in the present, that's almost criminal.
Trump is going to talk about virus response tonight. His Twitter snippet that I saw makes it look like it will be a "remain calm, all is well" speech. He has asked for $2.5 billion for response. Chuck Schumer immediately put in for $8.5 billion. Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!" It seems to me that $2.5 billion is good for now, given that it should be pretty darn easy to increase that quickly if things go bad.
I'd love to see Trump accept that $8.5B and put 5 of it towards the wall.
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I'd love to see Trump accept that $8.5B and put 5 of it towards the wall.
It would be nice if that was completed to at least have shot at sealing borders in cases like this.
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"Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!""
They're already staying that. Pelosi was front and center croning on about how the money Trump asked for wasn't nearly enough and as a result the 150 million Americans not killed by Republican NRA members will be killed by the CoronaTrumpvirus.
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CDC briefing yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBFWGJvZA8
We haven't gone nuts, but have restocked on materials, plus laid in a little extra.
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"Pessimistically, I can't help but think Schumer is hoping for things to go bad so the dems can say, "Trump has failed you all!""
They're already staying that. Pelosi was front and center croning on about how the money Trump asked for wasn't nearly enough and as a result the 150 million Americans not killed by Republican NRA members will be killed by the CoronaTrumpvirus.
I'd like to see the line items for the dem funding ask. Reading some of my old CA news sources, I see a big progressive talking point right now is virus racism and xenophobia, so I'm wondering how many of the billions would go to "diversity enforcement" versus medical and infrastructure response.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2
Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years. I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.
PS: According to that graphic, I actually have a 'circle beard'. But it is nonetheless narrow and does not interfere with the N95.
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Campus is having everyone double-check their remote access just in case there an instance where folks are told to stay home.
Brad
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"so I'm wondering how many of the billions would go to "diversity enforcement" versus medical and infrastructure response."
ALL of it, you unwoke cisnormal racist hater!
Treating the body doesn't matter as long as you indoctrinate the soul!
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https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2
Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years. I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.
I don't see neckbeard on that chart. I'll keep a razor handy, I might have to go Zappa.
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Depending on my state of trim my 'stache varies from "painter's brush" to "walrus" according to that graphic MillCreek posted. Good. Still no need to shave it off.
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Don't forget TP, paper towels, femine hygene products, soap, toothpaste, etc
Batteries
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https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-recommends-different-facial-hairstyles-work-better-with-face-masks-2020-2
Be sure your facial hair is compatible with a mask. This is one of the reasons I have been wearing a narrow goatee for years. I have to do the annual fit testing for N95, plus when I was in Fire/EMS, the Scott Air Pak had to seal.
PS: According to that graphic, I actually have a 'circle beard'. But it is nonetheless narrow and does not interfere with the N95.
I don't see "ZZ Top" or "Mountain Man" beard styles in that graphic. Mine falls somewhere in that range.
for now I'll take my chances.
=D
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That's a built in filter
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8046727/45-passengers-allowed-Diamond-Princess-ship-symptoms-coronavirus.html
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/korean-air-flight-attendant-working-lax-flights-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8046727/45-passengers-allowed-Diamond-Princess-ship-symptoms-coronavirus.html
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/korean-air-flight-attendant-working-lax-flights-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/
They should just rename it the ‘whack-a-mole’ virus already
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https://twitter.com/BensmanTodd/status/1232646800823246848?s=09
Yesterday I tweeted Border Patrol source saying 91 Chinese migrants were apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley sector since Jan. 1 being tested for cvirus in isolation, handled by respirator-wearing agents. No virus. More Chinese migrants now confirmed in Del Rio Sector.
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They should just rename it the ‘whack-a-mole’ virus already
Yep.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/83-people-in-nassau-county-being-monitored-for-possible-coronavirus-exposure/
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240674471.html
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If the mole in your Coronavirus game is my stock portfolio, the mole isn't whacked, the mole's on life support...
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The President said buy the dip.
It's a big dip so far.
I think I'll stay on the sidelines a bit longer.
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Let’s Call It Trumpvirus
If you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html?partner=IFTTT
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Just had swmbo do a Costco run. She got 50lbs of flour, sugar, I think 25lbs of rice, a bunch of pasta and spaghetti sauce, and some other staples. Still need this GS like tp, tampons and Advil for women, and some frozen veggies. Also will make sure we have seeds for the garden.
When I get time I'll build an outdoor brooders for chickens and turkeys. I was going to do that anyway, but that will let me get chicks again soon which by late May or July will fill my freezers depending on when I have the chicks delivered. If we can succeed on getting a veggie garden going, just the rice and flour would keep us well fed for a loooong time.
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Once again, behind a paywall. But since it's NY Times' paywall, I already know the content of the article -- a long, hysterical screed about how Corona virus is 100% Trump's fault because of his racism and the China trade war and his hatred of immigrants and his antipathy toward the glories of state sponsored socialism...
And, if Obama were still in office, the virus would already have been defeated by chanting, drum circles, and healthcare for all.
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Just got back from the grocery store myself. I laid in the start of my ready reserve -- tomatoes, pasta sauce, a couple additional boxes of pasta, rice, and some chicken that I'll freeze.
Also got a large pack of bottled water.
I'll do a larger trip this weekend when I head out to Walmart.
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Heading to costco tonight to pick up more rice and canned meat. My (soon to be ex)wife, who was allowed to come back to my house yesterday for a few hours to pick up personal items, grabbed some really odd items- a case of TP, 5 N95 masks, and a case of canned mushrooms. She made a post on FB asking people to get prepped, which I read before she blocked me.
She has the right idea, sort of... but if society were ever to completely break down, she wouldn't make it on her own, she's a bit naive on how the world actually works absent law and order.
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Once again, behind a paywall. But since it's NY Times' paywall, I already know the content of the article -- a long, hysterical screed about how Corona virus is 100% Trump's fault because of his racism and the China trade war and his hatred of immigrants and his antipathy toward the glories of state sponsored socialism...
And, if Obama were still in office, the virus would already have been defeated by chanting, drum circles, and healthcare for all.
If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
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Local medical supply stores out of surgical masks
Louisville-area medical supply stores out of surgical masks amid coronavirus fears
https://www.wave3.com/2020/02/27/louisville-area-medical-supply-stores-out-surgical-masks-amid-coronavirus-fears/
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If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
I am. The only thing I can see is the headline. Scroll down one pixel and they want money.
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Not related to the beer virus, but as part of my emergency supplies, I always keep a big bottle of Costco vitamins on hand. Just in case the apocalypse lasts long enough to disrupt food supplies and dietary deficiencies become an issue. But then again, I take the Costco equivalent of Centrum Silver once daily.
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If you're referring to my NYTs post above I'm not getting any indication of a paywall. Odd.
Are you running Firefox with NoScript?
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I'm running Firefox set to strict sec with Adblocker Ultimate running. Wonder if that's jamming the paywall popup?
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And I can go straight into twitchy's VIP articles. Been doing so without really realizing it.
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Local medical supply stores out of surgical masks
Louisville-area medical supply stores out of surgical masks amid coronavirus fears
https://www.wave3.com/2020/02/27/louisville-area-medical-supply-stores-out-surgical-masks-amid-coronavirus-fears/
My walmart out here in BFE has 0 masks.
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https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/2/6/21124979/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-hoarding
Lots and lots of articles detailing the uselessness of a surgical face mask in preventing infection for the person wearing it.
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My walmart out here in BFE has 0 masks.
In your case I recommend a full head Saran wrap.
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https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/2/6/21124979/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-hoarding
Lots and lots of articles detailing the uselessness of a surgical face mask in preventing infection for the person wearing it.
I always thought the advantage for masks was the infected person not coughing/spitting/sneezing particles into the air. I was thinking from a standpoint of quarantining a sick family member at home.
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I always thought the advantage for masks was the infected person not coughing/spitting/sneezing particles into the air. I was thinking from a standpoint of quarantining a sick family member at home.
This is correct; and a properly used device (such as a fitted N95) is useful for people providing direct care to infected persons to prevent the caregivers from infection. So if I had a sick family member at home, the sick person would be wearing a mask and everyone else in direct contact would be wearing a N95.
It is the typical person wearing a mask in public to prevent respiratory transmission who is really not accomplishing much in terms of the beer virus. And that is where I am seeing masks being used; at least here on the streets of Seattle.
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Adding razor blades to my list.
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Adding razor blades to my list.
Look, man, I doubt it'll come to that. Most people survive the disease. No need for drastic measures if you get infected.
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Look, man, I doubt it'll come to that. Most people survive the disease. No need for drastic measures if you get infected.
Well apparently I suck at shooting myself :lol:
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Well apparently I suck at shooting myself :lol:
Always use a revolver or the slide may break your teeth.
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Oh shitballs...
California is monitoring over 8,000 people for Corona virus due to the community transmission...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/california-is-monitoring-8400-people-for-the-coronavirus.html
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Are we panicking yet? >:D I wanna know! I don't want to miss anything! [tinfoil] (No one ever tells me anything .... :'( )
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/41/1e/01411e17f51eb07a2abcd06f60effec5.jpg)
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I'm running Firefox set to strict sec with Adblocker Ultimate running. Wonder if that's jamming the paywall popup?
That is probably why. Adblocker Ultimate probably has a script blocker in it as well.
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Man, with all you guys running to Costco, I'd better buy some more stock! :lol:
I was actually just there yesterday, but realized I'm pretty stocked up food-wise already. The only thing I bought was some frozen stuff like chimichangas that would make Jamis cringe :laugh: mostly because I usually keep a couple of Costco sized packs of that stuff in the freezer for when I'm too lazy to do anything else.
I did buy a couple of extra sacks of water softener salt, as that was one of those things I didn't think about that I might need but not want to expose myself to get. There's probably more stuff like that I could use that I'm not thinking about right now - the aforementioned dog food being one of them. I was complaining to myself about extra long lines there, but neglected to see if it was the first day of a new sale or if people were buying bulk food items and the like.
Tangentially, I realized today that I'm starting to get a little paranoid, in that yesterday, the guy who checks of your stuff at the exit at Costco was coughing into his elbow a bunch right when I got to him, then today, I just got back from grabbing a bite at a brewpub in downtown Boise, and the bartender (I was sitting at the bar) was coughing left and right and not even covering her mouth.
Normally I wouldn't make a big deal about it, but I guess the beer virus has me a little hyper-aware, and I'm now thinking I should already minimize my interactions with crowded places, because WTF good does it do for me to live at remote Festung Ben if I drive to crowded places and potentially expose myself?
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Oh, on the masks, a couple of things:
I have continued to look at mask availability and cost. I noticed that Home Depot has none available via the Internet, but all my local HDs listed N95 masks in stock or at the very least, limited quantities (maybe trying to stop black marketeers?). I wonder if that's because people here just don't seem worked up about the virus at this point, so maybe no one is bothering to get masks or anything else? I'd be curious to see how that looks in other regions that have HDs.
Also, I saw today that masks are becoming fashion statements with the city/wealthy/celebrity crowd, and that idiot Gwynyth Paltrow was talking up how she's wearing masks on airplanes now, and of course showed herself with one of those fashion-y runners/outdoors masks that have been the rage on Amazon. Totally worthless for virus protection of course. If nothing else maybe the virus will spread like wildfire and Darwin can have his way with these morons.
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Oh, on the masks, a couple of things:
I have continued to look at mask availability and cost. I noticed that Home Depot has none available via the Internet, but all my local HDs listed N95 masks in stock or at the very least, limited quantities (maybe trying to stop black marketeers?). I wonder if that's because people here just don't seem worked up about the virus at this point, so maybe no one is bothering to get masks or anything else? I'd be curious to see how that looks in other regions that have HDs.
Also, I saw today that masks are becoming fashion statements with the city/wealthy/celebrity crowd, and that idiot Gwynyth Paltrow was talking up how she's wearing masks on airplanes now, and of course showed herself with one of those fashion-y runners/outdoors masks that have been the rage on Amazon. Totally worthless for virus protection of course. If nothing else maybe the virus will spread like wildfire and Darwin can have his way with these morons.
She's an expert on water so that must mean she's also an expert on viruses
Gwyneth Paltrow thinks you can hurt water's feelings by yelling at it
https://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5773924/gwyneth-paltrow-thinks-you-can-hurt-waters-feelings-by-yelling-at-it
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When I was at walmart today, I picked up more rice, beans, oatmeal, peanut butter, and chicken noodle soup. I might hit up the store again tomorrow and shoot for a month's worth of meat for the freezer and more canned goods.
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added this to my prep list
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I had to go pick up my meds today. I went to the huge town down the road, about 1,300 people. Even though I have enough food I grabbed some rice and beans since we are under normal levels. I didn't have much cash but I have plenty of food here. I have deer in the driveway cows just over the fence and fish in my millions of gallons of water.
I wish I could have got more fu l but not a nought money. Why is gas going up so much? Oil is in free fall and global demand is down. We should be under $2 a gallon but it went up to $2.30.
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I wish I could have got more fu l but not a nought money. Why is gas going up so much? Oil is in free fall and global demand is down. We should be under $2 a gallon but it went up to $2.30.
I've been hearing gas is going up at the pumps, but we're still at $2.40-$2.50 here, where we've been for weeks if not a few months already.
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Went out today to fill the gas cans & top off the truck. Now have ~65 gal in storage, the genset will run over 8 hrs on a couple of gallons. If I don't need it for the genset, we'll use it mowing the yard this summer.
Price per gallon actually went down a penny since yesterday, from $2.13 to $2.12 for 85 octane E10.
Local Walmart's been out of masks since last Sunday. It's the biggest store within ~40 miles in any direction.
I've got to be at Walmart this weekend - not good timing, but don't have much choice. The local town has a huge flea market on the first Monday of every month, people start showing up as early as Weds before. Traffic, both auto & foot, at least triples every month, regardless of weather or whatever.
I did pick up a bottle of hand sanitizer for both the car & truck.
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I picked up a gallon of whiskey to sanitize from the inside out.
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I also got my meds changed from 30 day to 90 day supply.
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People are putting too much stock in masks.
A mask isn't going to do much for a well person looking not to get sick. A mask on a sick person does a lot to prevent the spread of the disease.
What the well person can do to really boost the odds of not getting sick?
Frequent hand washing and hand sanitizer, especially if you're going somewhere that you're going to be touching a lot of stuff that other people have touched, like the grocery store.
And keep your hands away from your mouth and eyes. That's the most dangerous transmission vector.
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Snippet heard on the news this morning. Some US official has said that the chances of the virus becoming a pandemic have doubled since yesterday to 40%.
While, thanks to the evil dictator Trump closing borders and other non-diverse stuff, we continue to have a low amount of reported cases, the "pandemic doubling" and continued talk of shortages and other panic rhetoric (Hello, Nancy & Chuck!) will only increase the chances of getting to the panic tipping point where every Joe Blow makes a run for the store.
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Snippet heard on the news this morning. Some US official has said that the chances of the virus becoming a pandemic have doubled since yesterday to 40%.
While, thanks to the evil dictator Trump closing borders and other non-diverse stuff, we continue to have a low amount of reported cases, the "pandemic doubling" and continued talk of shortages and other panic rhetoric (Hello, Nancy & Chuck!) will only increase the chances of getting to the panic tipping point where every Joe Blow makes a run for the store.
I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...it's likely going to spike cases this week or next in the US exponentially. California is going to see a *expletive deleted*it ton of cases soon, mark my words.
Panic only helps the democrats running against Trump. The markets are back down to levels they were when Obama was in office. Unless Trump finds a way to come out on top of this, he's gonna sink.
IMHO, his first step should be removing all regulatory barriers to producing the test kits.
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I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...it's likely going to spike cases this week or next in the US exponentially. California is going to see a *expletive deleted*it ton of cases soon, mark my words.
Panic only helps the democrats running against Trump. The markets are back down to levels they were when Obama was in office. Unless Trump finds a way to come out on top of this, he's gonna sink.
IMHO, his first step should be removing all regulatory barriers to producing the test kits.
Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?
I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.
It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
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Meanwhile the headline over at CNN
Trump hopes for 'miracle' to make virus disappear
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Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?
I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.
It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
Of course they will. But it was also one of the things Trump was able to hang his hat on. Even government sector types (normally D voters) should have been taking long hard looks at their TSP gains and considering how Trump was affecting their bottom line in the long run. Those gains are gone, some even more so.
The administration and the CDC not being on the same page is not a good sign. For the CDC to go off script...the administration doesn't look good in this.
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I think considering the number of missteps being reported that the administration and other officials have made so far...
I haven't seen much reporting of "missteps" outside of dubious sources like Mr Potatohead on CNN, and I'm not even sure how those reports are missteps? Screening at the borders seems prudent to me. I would expect if there are missteps, they are mostly going to come at the state/local level (just like with Hurricane Katrina), where I would agree with you that places like CA could blow up, because they're more concerned with a PC response versus a response.
I also agree that regulatory barriers should, with expert medical consultation, be tossed. A vaccine would normally take like a year to be approved, and I was already wondering if the Trump admin might order the normal procedures to be tossed. I seem to recall him already signing something like a year ago regarding people having the right to bypass the FDA and try experimental drugs if they have some serious/terminal illness, so he would seem predisposed to circumventing the normal process.
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their TSP gains and considering how Trump was affecting their bottom line in the long run. Those gains are gone, some even more so.
But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
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But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
Most people think short term, but I know quite a few who've made 5 digit gains in the last year or two under Trump.
The media is going to use this as a stick to beat Trump with.
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Are people blaming Trump for the market being down?
I know the Democrats will try to, but I'm not seeing people attacking Trump for the issue.
It would be like blaming President Bush for the market drops after 9/11. This is more likely to cause people to rally to Trump, than against him, I would think.
Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
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Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
Exactly.
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Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
I would submit that the markets ARE fine. Every once in a while, you need to purge emotional investors. While it hurts a little bit to look at my retirement accounts today, it's no worse than any other corrections over the last few decades, where I either did nothing, or did the opposite of the panicking people. Five or so years later, I was better off than I was during the correction. Anyone who stays the course now will also be fine.
I do expect this correction to potentially stabilize/reverse in the short term, then dip again when all the multinationals post their quarterly losses due to supply chain issues related to the beer virus panic.
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I would submit that the markets ARE fine. Every once in a while, you need to purge emotional investors. While it hurts a little bit to look at my retirement accounts today, it's no worse than any other corrections over the last few decades, where I either did nothing, or did the opposite of the panicking people. Five or so years later, I was better off than I was during the correction. Anyone who stays the course now will also be fine.
I do expect this correction to potentially stabilize/reverse in the short term, then dip again when all the multinationals post their quarterly losses due to supply chain issues related to the beer virus panic.
I don't think they're done coming down. My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
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I don't think they're done coming down. My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
I should clarify - I also think they are still coming down, and am including first quarter reporting in that guess since March is a day away. so we might see drops through next month. I'm thinking a rise after that and then another dip when the 2nd Quarter numbers come in for the multinationals, so Summer might get ugly again.
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If they remove barriers to vaccine testing and production, the Feds would have to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers or bring it under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Otherwise, the manufactures are going to be sued up the wazoo when any side effects or complications of the vaccine occur.
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Yes, they are blaming him. He made a few media statements this week about how the markets are fine and the virus is contained. That might have been his ‘read my lips’ moment.
Bernie is going to be a disaster.
Everyone exaggerates political talk. Trump would have a "read my lips" moment if he suddenly decided he didn't want to build a wall and signed an amnesty bill. Or went back on another key 2016 promise. Something like this doesn't rise to that level.
That won't stop Democrats from trying to frame it that way, but they do that on a daily basis.
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If they remove barriers to vaccine testing and production, the Feds would have to indemnify the vaccine manufacturers or bring it under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Otherwise, the manufactures are going to be sued up the wazoo when any side effects or complications of the vaccine occur.
If memory serves, that was what I heard recommended back in the 90's. I can't remember what was done, but it wasn't that. The number of vaccine makers dropped off quite a bit.
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I don't think they're done coming down. My prediction is we see an exponential rise in positives in the next 7 days, and at least another couple percentage loss off the markets in the same time frame.
We're not.
I'm thinking we'll see another 5 to 10% loss in the overall market indexes over the next 2 or so weeks... IF the virus maintains its current course. If it increases the speed of spread or becomes something more lethal, all bets are off.
But, this is a correction that the market really did need. This isn't a bad thing at all. It's a "letting the air out of the bubble for reasons OTHER than investors panicking that the bubble has gotten too big and unstable."
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Thread title changed to more accurately describe the discussion taking place.
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Among things to be thankful for:
1) This is happening NOW, rather than October, where panicky people can better influence the election.
2) This is highlighting some dangers of "global supply chains" at the same time that we have an administration trying to repatriate a lot of business/manufacturing
3) Our biggest geo-political foe is likely to bear the brunt of #2 to the benefit of the American worker.
Now, #3 may cause some other issues as China might start getting frisky when its people start getting angry at their government, but unless we are (some of our leaders are) willing to accept Chinese hegemony in the world, that was going to happen at some point.
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2) This is highlighting some dangers of "global supply chains" at the same time that we have an administration trying to repatriate a lot of business/manufacturing
I'm kind of hoping that something good that will come of this is the US waking up to where our stuff comes from. Repatriating the production of stuff, even if it means paying 10% more, would not be a bad thing.
We don't need to stop international trade, but it would certainly be good to look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
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I'm kind of hoping that something good that will come of this is the US waking up to where our stuff comes from. Repatriating the production of stuff, even if it means paying 10% more, would not be a bad thing.
We don't need to stop international trade, but it would certainly be good to look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
Having at least a skeletal infrastructure for necessary good production in our country ought to be the minimum we would accept. At least it would give us a better chance of being able to scale up, should something disruptive happen. This situation is not the worst that could happen, and we ought to use it as a wake-up call.
I don't have a lot of faith in human nature's ability to learn and apply lessons. I fear that after this is over we'll try to go back to exactly how it used to be until something worse comes along.
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N/M
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Having at least a skeletal infrastructure for necessary good production in our country ought to be the minimum we would accept. At least it would give us a better chance of being able to scale up, should something disruptive happen. This situation is not the worst that could happen, and we ought to use it as a wake-up call.
I don't have a lot of faith in human nature's ability to learn and apply lessons. I fear that after this is over we'll try to go back to exactly how it used to be until something worse comes along.
It's a capitalist market. Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas. Any company that doesn't do this risks being buried by competitors who do.
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Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas.
look at some targeted goods and services that would be better produced here (even if they are also produced elsewhere), and maybe give the producers some incentives to do it.
I think people are very gung-ho for these kind of things when it's their guy in charge, but that doesn't last forever.
Things can get swampy real quick - Solyndra anyone?
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We're not.
I'm thinking we'll see another 5 to 10% loss in the overall market indexes over the next 2 or so weeks... IF the virus maintains its current course. If it increases the speed of spread or becomes something more lethal, all bets are off.
But, this is a correction that the market really did need. This isn't a bad thing at all. It's a "letting the air out of the bubble for reasons OTHER than investors panicking that the bubble has gotten too big and unstable."
I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between.
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But those are short term gains. To judge where a TSP or 401K is, you would need to look at some ten year average starting at Trump -1 year and Trump +9 years. My TSP is as of this morning, still up ~$60K from just before Trump got in. I'm at a retirement ratio of only 50% stocks, so certainly someone who is 90% stocks might be negative their pre-Trump balance now. However ten years from now, they will have recovered those losses plus made more gains.
Most people think short term, but I know quite a few who've made 5 digit gains in the last year or two under Trump.
The media is going to use this as a stick to beat Trump with.
Ben beat me to it, but those gains are absolutely NOT gone. Most of my TSP is in the L2040 fund, which was $24.69 a share on 21 Jan 2016, and is $36.26 a share yesterday. Those .gov employees are still, after the coronavirus drop, way better off with Trump.
I think the market's got a little more to fall, but will be pretty well recovered by Oct, so Trump can still use it as a campaign item.
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Couple of other things that I heard on Fox Business while walking the dog this morning:
1) On the markets, an interesting conversation on how algorithms are affecting things right now. They weren't as prevalent back in 2008, but now may be nudging some "sell" decisions, perhaps significantly so.
2) Pet medications. I wasn't even thinking about this. They were clear that there is no shortage now and there may not be one, but these meds/med components are offshored just like human meds. Coincidentally, I had it marked on my calendar to order heartworm and flea tabs from the vet for Steve, because I just ran out this month.
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Drive through testing seems like a good idea as opposed to an hour in a crowded waiting room. Apparently results are available in two days.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/south-korea-drive-through-coronavirus-test-facilities-12477046
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the L2040 fund,
L2040? Damn young kid whippersnappers with a long time horizon! :laugh:
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"I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between."
OK, then I'll sit at my desk and white knuckle it while drinking heavily while you run around in circles flapping your arms and screeching about how the sky is falling.
Between the two of us we should have it covered. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I need to get Seren's flea/tick meds ordered.
I take her off of them in the winter. I keep her on heartworm all year long.
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It's a capitalist market. Unless government policy makes it economically unfavorable, companies will outsource operations to lower cost areas. Any company that doesn't do this risks being buried by competitors who do.
Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit. Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable.
When people like Obama and his group come in, they always increase taxes, increase the regulatory burden, and increase the liability/administrative cost of employees.
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Govt imposed costs warp the market decisions by quite a bit. Keep corporate taxes lower and keep the administrative cost of labor under control and the US looks a lot more favorable.
When people like Obama and his group come in, they always increase taxes, increase the regulatory burden, and increase the liability/administrative cost of employees.
Another lesser known one is that the government subsidizes international shipping, such that it's actually cheaper to ship something (small) from China, than from Columbia, SC.
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"I believe you are on the best case scenario of the spectrum, and I’m on the worst case scenario end of it... people should be ready for something somewhere in between."
OK, then I'll sit at my desk and white knuckle it while drinking heavily while you run around in circles flapping your arms and screeching about how the sky is falling.
Between the two of us we should have it covered. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Shoot, I'm all smiles and giggles today. At 9am, I was up 6 figures, but that has fallen to very high 5 figures. The bigger the market crash, the more I'm going to rake in.
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/27/who-says-coronavirus-entered-iran-unseen-and-undetected-warns-outbreak-could-be-even-worse.html?__twitter_impression=true
WHO says coronavirus entered Iran 'undetected,' warns outbreak could be worse than is known
The majority of Iran's cases have been linked to Qom, a major religious destination for *expletive deleted*it pilgrims 85 miles south of Tehran, Iran's health ministry spokesman said on state television Tuesday. An official from Qom claimed Monday that 50 people had died in the city. Tehran quickly rejected the figure and denied hiding anything.
Iran hasn't suspended flights from China, one of its top trading partners, despite nearly all of its Middle Eastern neighbors doing so.
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Shoot, I'm all smiles and giggles today. At 9am, I was up 6 figures, but that has fallen to very high 5 figures. The bigger the market crash, the more I'm going to rake in.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: I was up 65000 for the day at 9am, I ended up only being 7K up at the end of the day. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: There was messaging of the MFing FED stepping in to at at 1:30 (my time) today, and all of my dreams of cocaine and hookers went to *expletive deleted*it.
Still made a nice 45k for the week.
I need a drink.
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/27/who-says-coronavirus-entered-iran-unseen-and-undetected-warns-outbreak-could-be-even-worse.html?__twitter_impression=true
WHO says coronavirus entered Iran 'undetected,' warns outbreak could be worse than is known
Iran is extra *expletive deleted*ed. Sounds like it’s out of control there... reports are the mortality rate is high teens.
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I would expect nothing less from a backwards, third world shithole like Iran.
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Yeah, apparently like three or four high level people in Iran's government have the virus. At least that we know of. How crappy of a response do you have to have to get your top leadership infected?
In the meantime, the stories about American "preppers" are starting:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/pandemic-preppers-arm-up-person-with-the-most-ammo-wins
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Also people are starting to go bonkers regarding masks:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/28/people-are-using-bras-diapers-and-sanitary-napkins-instead-of-masks-to-help-prevent-the-coronavirus/
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I would expect nothing less from a backwards, third world shithole like Iran.
It's just sad that Islam put them into shithole status. Imagine the place with no revolution. It's not hard, there's pictures..
Current situation sucks for Haji Bob on the street, but reap the whirlwind.
/ thread drift
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It's just sad that Islam put them into shithole status. Imagine the place with no revolution. It's not hard, there's pictures..
Current situation sucks for Haji Bob on the street, but reap the whirlwind.
/ thread drift
Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?
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Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?
[img]https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg
I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
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I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
Most revolutions are the act of kicking out one authoritarian ahole and replacing them with another, often worse, authoritarian ahole
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I guess the Shah was kind of an authoritarian ahole, but he sure seems to have been loads better than what came later.
Even dictators have their good qualities says Bernie.
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Most revolutions are an act of kicking out one authoritarian ahole and replacing them with another, often worse, authoritarian ahole
This right here. And the USA has a proven record of helping the worse of two evils get into power...
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https://ncov2019.live/
This is kind of the best clearing house for raw data on the spread.
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Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
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Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
Unsurprising. This is why the new green deal is such bullshit. The US could go to 0 emissions, and it would be less than 1% of the worlds total emissions, which is mostly led by China and India.
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Girls in mini skirts going to college in Tehran?
That's the one.
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They're really pushing this Trumpvirus business
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/shameless-byron-york-spots-ny-times-columnists-trying-to-get-trumpvirus-to-catch-on/
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Looks like we just had the first US death. While it's just one person (RIP, of course), being the first death will likely up potential emotional panic.
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If only people over on that side of the mountains were as concerned about a measles epidemic or flu deaths as they are on this. I am sure there will be more fear mongering as the day goes on by the left and others. I expect the shelves to be stripped bare on the west side PDQ.
bob
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^^^The Seattle-King County Health Department is holding a press conference at 4 pm to release more details. I am guessing it was someone elderly or had pre-existing disease burdens, but it will be interesting to learn the details.
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And in other news, 2 patients under quarantine in Spokane in a special pathogens unit have been released back into the wild, or we could say 50% of people under observation here just to make it sound monumental.
bob
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Wouldn't surprised me one bit, if they haven't already, if they start screaming racism over any "POC"s held in
quarantine cages.
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Interesting satellite imagery over China. SWAG with just the imagery and no data, but that looks like a pretty big delta and a big dropoff in movement and activity.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/china-cornvirus-coincides-plummet-nitrogen-dioxide
Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
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^^^The Seattle-King County Health Department is holding a press conference at 4 pm to release more details. I am guessing it was someone elderly or had pre-existing disease burdens, but it will be interesting to learn the details. 0
The news report I heard via radio indicated a 65 year old lady with pre-existing breathing problems.
Statistically, we were always guaranteed that we would never escape without some deaths. People with weak or compromised immune systems are always more vulnerable to other, especially new, diseases.
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Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
I see no comments from any side at the link .... just a story about nitrogen levels over China .... ???
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Many of the comments coming from both sides at the link makes me want to cry for our country
Yeah, Fox News commenters, both left and right, are an interesting lot. Seems like you get the worst from both sides posting there.
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JHFC
‘You’re proving him correct’! Dana Milbank’s claim that Trump called the coronavirus a ‘hoax’ melts BS detectors (ROLL TAPE)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/youre-proving-him-correct-dana-milbanks-claim-that-trump-called-the-coronavirus-a-hoax-melts-bs-detectors-roll-tape/
Pile on!
Talking point status: RECEIVED! Politico, NBC News, Bill Kristol, Rep. Ted Lieu & Joe Biden join those claiming Trump called coronavirus a ‘hoax’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/talking-point-status-received-politico-nbc-news-bill-kristol-rep-ted-lieu-joe-biden-join-those-claiming-trump-called-coronavirus-a-hoax/
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It's not often you see the AP calls out the Democratic Party.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
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It's not often you see the AP calls out the Democratic Party.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
By LAURAN NEERGAARD and CALVIN WOODWARD
Security will escort you to your desks to clean them out and then to the door. You have 5 minutes.
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Also:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/02/29/oof-journo-asks-trump-if-media-reports-are-true-that-hes-muzzling-the-niaid-director-the-doctors-response-is-another-msm-fail/
Man, Trump is going to win 2020 by such a landslide... and it will be 75% the dems and MSM's doing. They are the best campaign ads the guy could hope for.
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Grocery store was crazy today. I went to Aldi's to pick up canned veggies and fruit balance out the pantry. People were buying cases of shelf stable food. Not sure if was the first of the month welfare check run or people were actually stockpiling food.
I can pretty much quarantine in for over a month now after the last couple days of shopping.
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I went to the grocery yesterday morning. It was 9 o'clock on a Saturday, the regular crowd shuffled in. There was an old man shopping next to me, looking for lemons and gin...
Billy Joel aside, it was a regular Saturday late morning at the local Giant.
I'm going to hit up WalMart this morning for some more things. I want to get another chunk of chuck, as I'm making borscht today and I don't have quite enough. Also thinking about getting some frozen chicken patties; stuff that will hold up decently well to long storage in the deep freeze.
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CNN still having a fit over the supposed lack of diversity, and thus no clue :facepalm:, of the White House Coronavirus Taskforce.
Apparently this problem can only be solved by the POWER OF DIVERSITY.
This room looks like America, that is America about 40 years ago. The strength of our country is diversity across gender, race, religion and ethnicity. If you wonder why these guys never seem to have a clue, just look at the faces around that table. https://t.co/HioUuvAkLh
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 1, 2020
Sorry VIP section again.
The lack of diversity on Trump’s coronavirus task force is still really bugging CNN’s Joe Lockhart
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/29/the-lack-of-diversity-on-trumps-coronavirus-task-force-is-still-really-bugging-cnns-joe-lockhart/
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Trumpvirus in NY
BREAKING – @NYGovCuomo: "This evening we learned of the first positive case of novel #coronavirus — or COVID-19 — in New York State. The patient, a woman in her late thirties, contracted the virus while traveling abroad in Iran, and is currently isolated in her home.
— Tony Morrison (@THETonyMorrison) March 2, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/01/gov-cuomo-announces-first-case-of-covid19-coronavirus-in-ny-state-but-he-doesnt-say-exactly-where/
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It’s been in NY...we’re just getting around to testing. Flat *expletive deleted*ing dropped the ball on the response...
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It’s been in NY...we’re just getting around to testing. Flat *expletive deleted*ing dropped the ball on the response...
^This. Especially since it can be asymptomatic and contagious for weeks.
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^^^
It is everywhere, the estimates are that it has been in WA state for 6 weeks at least, now we are looking and now we will find.
bob
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From another forum:
There is no stopping this thing. With an R0 of 5+ COVID-19 can only run it's course. That's why the CDC is not testing people in the US. The fact is we already have tens of thousands infected. Look at the number of people being monitored or under self-quarantine around the country. That is the number of symptomatic cases. 10,000+ in CA and NY alone.
The government is probably making the right decision here by keeping a lid on information. This cannot be stopped so the only solution is management and clean-up. FEMA is strategically placing materials in anticipation of panic when word of the outbreak spreads. They need to coordinate across all levels of government and business to try to make this as soft of a landing as possible. They cannot let people know that we, as a society, are helpless in the face of this demon. We will run out of basic medical supplies by April and there will be no resupply from China as they will still be shut down.
The cavalry is not coming.
The longer they can keep the public placid, the better chance they have at staging supplies ahead of the mass chimpout. Officials are trying to figure out how to do things like getting meals to the children who rely on government schools for food everyday once local districts start closing. They're discussing how to keep people in their homes when they can't work and miss mortgage payments. They're trying to figure out how to keep the markets as quiet as possible because a complete economic collapse very well may kill more productive people than the virus itself. They are trying to manage as best they can with a series of horrible outcomes facing them and the longer they can plan in relative peace the better.
We are on our own.
The government has resigned itself to the fact that we will all be infected sooner or later. The trolley problem has come to life.
We can sacrifice the economy to save people or sacrifice people to save the economy.
The ride never ends.
I hate to say it, but it fits so far.
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I'd like to see some sort of reliable source for an R0 of 5+
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I'd like to see some sort of reliable source for an R0 of 5+
There are no reliable sources yet.
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RO = ?
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RO = ?
It's how many people every contagious person infects. We need it less than 1.
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number
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Thanks :)
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To put it in perspective the regular flu is R0 around 2. Smallpox is about 6, and untreated TB is about 10.
COVID-19 being at 5 is highly unlikely, as that is more than double any other strain of Coronavirus.
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To put it in perspective the regular flu is R0 around 2. Smallpox is about 6, and untreated TB is about 10.
COVID-19 being at 5 is highly unlikely, as that is more than double any other strain of Coronavirus.
SARS (another Coronavirus) was 4, from the last link I posted.
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Iran’s death percentage is way down but only because detections are way up.
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Measles R0?
12 to 18.
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From another forum:
I hate to say it, but it fits so far.
I LOVE screechy panic monkey mode!
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I LOVE screechy panic monkey mode!
My thought, too.
That guy needs to tighten his tinfoil hat.
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Well, hoarding has hit the mainstream:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-hoarding-boost-these-companies
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-california-oregon-grocery-panic
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Not surprising at all.
I was seeing some... interesting... gaps on the shelves at the local Walmart yesterday. Nothing untoward, and not widespread, and bread and milk were in plentiful supply, but random items that they normally have, such as Zatarain's Red Beans and Rice, were missing.
I've been talking to a number of my friends and I believe that we are all ahead of the bell curve on this.
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#2 died in Washington State this morning, how long until we quit counting deaths related to this virus in the US?
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#2 died in Washington State this morning, how long until we quit counting deaths related to this virus in the US?
Pretty sure it'll need to top 20K.
And since it just passed 3K worldwide, that'll take a while.
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I've been talking to a number of my friends and I believe that we are all ahead of the bell curve on this.
We tend to be more aware of what's going on in the world as that is one of our hobbies. (As evidenced by our discussions here.)
I don't think any of use were panicking- the risk to otherwise healthy people from this virus is fairly small.1 As my biggest concern is my children, I was relieved to read how coronavirii tend not to be dangerous to young children.
As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")
It's surprising how little some people are aware of world events. My wife relies on me to know what's going on in the world and most of her friends don't really follow the news.
1: I'm aware we have several members who aren't "otherwise healthy", but I don't think they are panicking either. They just have a different risk structure and should take even more care to prevent infection.
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Well, one irritating tangential of a "just affects Ben" nature: With a somewhat mild Winter here, I'm needing to start spraying for weeds and whatnot, and don't have spare filters for my half mask. The 3M vapor cartridges I use that normally cost $15, are either $100 or not available. Idiots are now buying out organic vapor and acid respirators. I guess I'll need to use last year's cartridges, hope they're still good, and pick a day with some light wind.
Gotta wonder how many people that do stuff for a living that requires respiratory protection are SOL if they need replacement equipment right now.
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As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")
Yup, that's certainly where I was. Rather than possibly needing to dip into the "real SHTF stores", I bought steak and other stuff for the freezer, and made sure I had extra convenience stuff like paper towels and TP*, and water softener salt and other things that aren't critical, but would be a nuisance to be without if I decided I didn't want to be around people for a while, or else were everyday things (that the linked article above verified) that people were going to panic buy.
* I have always kept loads of Costco sized TP packages around in the belief that they will make me a wealthy post-apocalyptic Warlord. :laugh:
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TP, booze, cigarettes/tobacco are easily stored and traded/sold after the Bugaloo starts.
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We tend to be more aware of what's going on in the world as that is one of our hobbies. (As evidenced by our discussions here.)
I don't think any of use were panicking- the risk to otherwise healthy people from this virus is fairly small.1 As my biggest concern is my children, I was relieved to read how coronavirii tend not to be dangerous to young children.
As most of us also tend to be ready for emergency events, this is a "mini-prep" and all it took us was to do a little forward-looking extra purchases of things we would have bought at some point, just to have a little extra on hand presently (so that we don't have to dip into our actual "emergency preparations.")
It's surprising how little some people are aware of world events. My wife relies on me to know what's going on in the world and most of her friends don't really follow the news.
1: I'm aware we have several members who aren't "otherwise healthy", but I don't think they are panicking either. They just have a different risk structure and should take even more care to prevent infection.
When it comes to news, I mostly get it from my twitter feed, talk radio, here, and occasionally news headline sites. I stopped watching TV news of any kind years ago. I check the weather report occasionally, but that's it. With the constant liberal spin, 'if-it-bleeds-it-leads' reporting, and the "sob story of the day", I found it was just depressing.
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Yup, that's certainly where I was. Rather than possibly needing to dip into the "real SHTF stores", I bought steak and other stuff for the freezer, and made sure I had extra convenience stuff like paper towels and TP*, and water softener salt and other things that aren't critical, but would be a nuisance to be without if I decided I didn't want to be around people for a while, or else were everyday things (that the linked article above verified) that people were going to panic buy.
* I have always kept loads of Costco sized TP packages around in the belief that they will make me a wealthy post-apocalyptic Warlord. :laugh:
I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread. I don't have any steaks. Thanks for the reminder. Add that to my list.
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I have a short list at home of stuff I forgot to get last time like peanut butter and extra bread. I don't have any steaks. Thanks for the reminder. Add that to my list.
Jelly! I think we only have about 1/3 of a jar of jelly left.1 Added to the list.
1: Of the kids' jelly. We have almost a full jar of some very good blackberry preserves, but that's not going on PB&Js.
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So one of the Washingtons state residents who is identified as having COVID-19 was in one of my clinics last week with respiratory symptoms. Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
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So one of the Washingtons state residents who is identified as having COVID-19 was in one of my clinics last week with respiratory symptoms. Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
The Mormon home storage center?
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Guess where I am this morning, along with reps from the local and State health departments.
Out and about, sharing the virus far and wide?
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Locally owned AOR radio station has been announcing every 30 minutes to stock up on food and sanitation/hygiene supplies to make through 2-3 weeks. Rational is if you're sick, you can stay home.
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Well, one irritating tangential of a "just affects Ben" nature: With a somewhat mild Winter here, I'm needing to start spraying for weeds and whatnot, and don't have spare filters for my half mask. The 3M vapor cartridges I use that normally cost $15, are either $100 or not available. Idiots are now buying out organic vapor and acid respirators. I guess I'll need to use last year's cartridges, hope they're still good, and pick a day with some light wind.
Gotta wonder how many people that do stuff for a living that requires respiratory protection are SOL if they need replacement equipment right now.
What are you spraying that requires a respirator?
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What are you spraying that requires a respirator?
Nothing that requires one, but I'm super paranoid about breathing crap in. Just Roundup and Crossbow right now. I even wear a respirator (just a paper N95) when I use the leaf blower.
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Nothing that requires one, but I'm super paranoid about breathing crap in. Just Roundup and Crossbow right now. I even wear a respirator (just a paper N95) when I use the leaf blower.
Gotcha
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IMO, it is not a bad idea to avoid unnecessary exposure to any of the "harmless" chemicals we use in the house or out in the yard/land.
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A couple of interesting snippets heard on the business news this morning:
A discussion panel composed of epidemiologists and other experts were making the case that the lack of information and misinformation coming out of China were not all China's fault, but that much of the blame is squarely in WHO's domain. Apparently they have been really bad about information handling, and one of the WHO bigwigs happens to also be /have been a bigwig in the Chinese government.
Another discussion about people being smart and teleworking got me to thinking about what this virus might have looked at 30 years ago. I have no idea on numbers, but certainly a good part of the modern workforce can easily telecommute without much economic or operational effect for them or their employer. Without that current ability, I wonder how much farther the virus might have spread?
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30 years ago we didn't have the world connected by air travel that could take a person around the globe in 24 hours. Nor did we have hundreds of cargo ships delivering rubber dog *expletive deleted*it from Hong Kong.
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Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
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Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
Of course they are. Allah demands it.
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30 years ago we didn't have the world connected by air travel that could take a person around the globe in 24 hours.
Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
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Also just heard on the news: In Iran, a religious ceremony is going on right now that requires pilgrims to kiss and lick some shrine. And they're doing it.
In the new 14th century germs/viruses don't exist just like they didn't in the old 14th century
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In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.
Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
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Hearing hand-sanitizer is getting hard to find. Can't confirm this myself.
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In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.
Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
I saw that also. A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them. Mostly the "one month supply" type packages. Mountain House was like that also. Some of the less common cans were still available.
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In my weekly checking of panic purchasing, despite the big news push telling people not to buy masks, if anything, that must have increased the desire for them. Still either sold out or at ridiculous prices.
Auguson Farms is now quoting 1-2 MONTHS for order fulfillment. Prices seem to be normal, but they're obviously not having sales right now.
Nothing causes shortages like the rumor of shortages . . . .
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Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
Yes, but nothing like today. Flying is cheaper, easier, and more common than 30 years ago. Now, average income brackets can travel from the US to China non-stop easily.
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I saw that also. A week or more ago, it wasn't all their products, but some of them. Mostly the "one month supply" type packages. Mountain House was like that also. Some of the less common cans were still available.
I have to say that Auguson Farms and a few other suppliers that I use/monitor have earned my respect by not jacking up their prices, when they easily could, just like 90% of the sellers on Amazon. While I need nothing from them now, I will certainly remember them when I need to restock stuff in the future. I have to say that Home Despot has been good about selling at their regular prices. They may be out of stock, but respirators and stuff are all listed at their regular prices.
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I have to say that Auguson Farms and a few other suppliers that I use/monitor have earned my respect by not jacking up their prices, when they easily could, just like 90% of the sellers on Amazon. While I need nothing from them now, I will certainly remember them when I need to restock stuff in the future. I have to say that Home Despot has been good about selling at their regular prices. They may be out of stock, but respirators and stuff are all listed at their regular prices.
I'm mixed on that. Holding prices in face of rapidly increasing demand just means that items will be unavailable. That can be worse than something being expensive.
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Not from the ME
The leader of a controversial religious sect at the center of the coronavirus outbreak in South Korea apologized Monday as the city of Seoul has started a murder investigation into the group, saying the church refused to cooperate with efforts to stop the virus.
Coronavirus-linked South Korea sect leader apologizes for virus spread amid murder probe
https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-outbreak-controversial-religious-group
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Hearing hand-sanitizer is getting hard to find. Can't confirm this myself.
I stopped at the store at lunch for children's tylenol.
I saw no evidence of hoarding except I saw a higher than normal number of shoppers with bottled water. Might have been a statistical anomaly or people prepping, but there were no empty spots on the shelves, for now.
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Big shopping day for me today as it's my day off.
Stores (Costco, Trader Joes and local grocery) were very busy and stocked well.
If needed I could hunker down here for a month. Maybe not a very balanced diet but a full belly every day.
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Not just from the ME
FIFY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8063267/Videos-Iranians-LICKING-holy-shrines-despite-coronavirus-outbreak.html
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FIFY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8063267/Videos-Iranians-LICKING-holy-shrines-despite-coronavirus-outbreak.html
It is the will of allah ...
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Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies
Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
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Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies
Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
Of course it's fine for them to hold the rallies. Their sense of smugness at being the woke people, overlaid with their red hot rage, will protect them from everything.
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Of course it's fine for them to hold the rallies. Their sense of smugness at being the woke people, overlaid with their red hot rage, will protect them from everything.
In your best He She Transgender Whatever Man Woman It Something voice
BY THE POWER OF WOKENESS!
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Yes, but nothing like today. Flying is cheaper, easier, and more common than 30 years ago. Now, average income brackets can travel from the US to China non-stop easily.
Maybe for pilots flying is easier today. Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s I loved to fly. Now I hate it. And for us plebeians back in the steerage cabin, flying is much less comfortable than 30 years ago, and the entire airport/TSA experience makes flying in general significantly more difficult and unpleasant. Thirty years ago I would fly any time I had the opportunity. I had frequent flyer accounts with four or five airlines. Today I fly only as an absolute last resort.
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Maybe for pilots flying is easier today. Back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s I loved to fly. Now I hate it. And for us plebeians back in the steerage cabin, flying is much less comfortable than 30 years ago, and the entire airport/TSA experience makes flying in general significantly more difficult and unpleasant. Thirty years ago I would fly any time I had the opportunity. I had frequent flyer accounts with four or five airlines. Today I fly only as an absolute last resort.
You're missing the point.
Today's world is better/quicker connected with quicker and cheaper transportation compared to 30 years ago. I didn't say it was a better experience for passengers. I can get to every major city in the world in 24 hours or less. And I can get to every major city fairly cheaply if I plan it right.
Today's quick, easy, convenient, cheap transportation makes containing a virus like Covid-19 nearly impossible.
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You're missing the point.
Today's world is better/quicker connected with quicker and cheaper transportation compared to 30 years ago. I didn't say it was a better experience for passengers. I can get to every major city in the world in 24 hours or less. And I can get to every major city fairly cheaply if I plan it right.
Today's quick, easy, convenient, cheap transportation makes containing a virus like Covid-19 nearly impossible.
NO BACK IN MY DAY, WE RODE AROUND IN SUITS AND TIES ON CONNIES AND THE PILOT CAME OUT AND TALKED TO THE PASSENGERS AND SMOKED A PIPE!!! SHUT UP, WHIPPERSNAPPER!
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Safe bet none of the dems will get asked this
I'm sure they're start running the story that Trump is endangering people by holding rallies
Reporter in crowded room asks Trump if it’s ‘safe or appropriate’ for him to hold campaign rallies because of the coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/reporter-in-crowded-room-asks-trump-if-its-safe-or-appropriate-for-him-to-hold-campaign-rallies-because-of-the-coronavirus/
Tomorrow is super tuesday...so...
The Irony will be if Bernie or Bloomberg end up with it.
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Sure some on the left will be upset about this
Dow up 1294 points today, biggest Dow point gain ever
— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) March 2, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/02/somebody-please-check-on-paul-krugman-dow-closes-with-the-largest-point-gain-in-a-single-day-ever/
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Panic buying has begun. Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
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Panic buying has begun. Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
Heading to Costco in a bit. Will check TP supply among other things
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Panic buying has begun. Local Costco has been wiped clean of toilet paper.
:laugh: Well done.
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Just came from Costco
Zero paper towels
Zero TP
People leaving with stacks of water, a **** ton of batteries, flashlights, gas cans
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I've been picking up odds and ends beyond the usual stuff. Hit the local "good" grocery store this evening and got a few more shelf stable items.
The store was as fully stocked as ever with the exception of my favorite grilling spice mix, damned panic buyers.
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:laugh: Well done.
[Takes a bow]
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I was at Menards today. One of the things I wanted was in the paint section, happened to notice a big empty section on a shelf. Yup, masks and respirators, totally sold out.
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I was at Menards today. One of the things I wanted was in the paint section, happened to notice a big empty section on a shelf. Yup, masks and respirators, totally sold out.
Menards still had hand sanitizer this morning.
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Hand sanitizer is basically 2/3 isopropyl alcohol and 1/3 aloe vera gel. Just in case your store is out of the commercial product.
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Just buy whiskey and do it from the inside out.
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Going to hit the local grocerateria this afternoon for lunch and to pick up a few things. I've not heard of any shortages or anything locally, but I also don't shop at Costco or BJ's.
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Turns out my Costco was out of disinfectant wipes.
I didn't even think to look for them as I have a lot if cleaning supplies.
Probably due to businesses buying them all up in order to keep their cubicle and wage slaves from impacting day to day operations by getting sick.
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I don't need anything (except I realized I have no liquid hand sanitizer - just hand wipes) but am really tempted to stop by the local Costco and Walmart this week just to see what, if anything, is being bought up.
I'm thinking these runs are pretty regionalized. It wasn't until yesterday that I even saw Idaho based news reports regarding the virus on a state/local level. Everything reported so far has mostly been about what's happening elsewhere (we have no reported cases in ID that I know of). Once we have a case in the state, I think we'll start seeing panic runs, at least in the Boise metro.
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I don't need anything (except I realized I have no liquid hand sanitizer - just hand wipes) but am really tempted to stop by the local Costco and Walmart this week just to see what, if anything, is being bought up.
I'm thinking these runs are pretty regionalized. It wasn't until yesterday that I even saw Idaho based news reports regarding the virus on a state/local level. Everything reported so far has mostly been about what's happening elsewhere (we have no reported cases in ID that I know of). Once we have a case in the state, I think we'll start seeing panic runs, at least in the Boise metro.
That's likely the case. As we have no reports of any infections within several hours' drive of us, I don't think the panic has set in here.
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Costco in the Seattle area:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1234729712879976448
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Costco in the Seattle area:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1234729712879976448
Imagine going to costco to stock up so that you can hunker down in place to avoid the Wuflu, but you catch it while standing in line to check out. >:D
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The Federal Reserve slashed the benchmark U.S. interest rate by half a percentage point Tuesday, the biggest cut since the financial crisis and a sign that global central banks are prepared to act to contain the economic fallout from the coronavirus.
The U.S. central bank has not made an emergency cut like this since 2008. Fed leaders voted unanimously in favor of the rate reduction. The highly unusual move comes on the heels of other central banks around the world lowering rates and calls by President Trump for a “big” Fed rate cut.
Trump should be pleased with this, he's been asking for awhile now.
However, I do think it kind of reinforces the "PANIC!" message.
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Trump should be pleased with this, he's been asking for awhile now.
However, I do think it kind of reinforces the "PANIC!" message.
It's really another thread, but I could go on a rant (again) about how sick I am of these unending and constant rate cuts. Knock it off, Fed and Trump! Tbills are ready to go below 1%. That's just ridiculous.
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Oh here you go
The substance—dubbed “Miracle Mineral Solution” or “MMS”—has long been promoted by fringe groups as a combination miracle cure and vaccine for everything from autism to cancer and HIV/AIDS.
QAnon-ers’ Magic Cure for Coronavirus: Just Drink Bleach!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-conspiracy-theorists-magic-cure-for-coronavirus-is-drinking-lethal-bleach?ref=author
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Drinking bleach also cures Corona?
I remember when it did such a great job of curing AIDS by killing your HIV...
That concept even showed up in an early episode of Law and Order when Jerry Orbach was still on the series.
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Drinking bleach also cures Corona?
That is ridiculous. Once you know what this virus is:
The Chinese were all given mandatory vaccines last fall. The vaccine contained replicating, DIGITIZED (controllable) RNA which were activated by 60Ghz mm 5G waves that were just turned on in Wuhan (as well as all other Countries using 60Ghz 5G ) with the “smart dust” that everyone on the globe has been inhaling through chemtrails. That’s why when they say someone is “cured”, the 'virus' can be “digitally” reactivated at any time and the person can literally drop dead. The Diamond Princess Cruise ship was SPECIFICALLY equipped with 60Ghz 5G. It’s basically remote assassination. Americans are currently breathing in this “smart” dust through chemtrails. Think of it like this: add the combination of vaccines, chemtrails (smart dust) and 5G and your body becomes internally digitized & can be remotely controlled. A person’s organ functions can be stopped remotely if one is deemed non-compliant. Wuhan was a test run for ID2020. The elite call this 60Ghz mm 5G wave the “V” wave (Virus) to mock us. Trump has created a space force in part to combat this weaponized technology. We need to vehemently REJECT the attempted “mandatory vaccine” issue because our lives depend on it.
It's clear that bleach isn't strong enough. Maybe mineral spirits?
Also I spoke too soon about the president being pleased.
The Federal Reserve is cutting but must further ease and, most importantly, come into line with other countries/competitors. We are not playing on a level field. Not fair to USA. It is finally time for the Federal Reserve to LEAD. More easing and cutting!
:O
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Drinking bleach also cures Corona?
I remember when it did such a great job of curing AIDS by killing your HIV...
That concept even showed up in an early episode of Law and Order when Jerry Orbach was still on the series.
After some reading a bit some also think it cures aspergers :facepalm:
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Apparently there are people saying you can get by popping the bubbles in bubble wrap because, you know, they contain air from China. :facepalm:
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Speaking of :facepalm:
https://twitter.com/CandiCdeBacaD9/status/1233407795170627586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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BRUNING STEEL WILL NOT MELT JET FUEL11!!1
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BRUNING STEEL WILL NOT MELT JET FUEL11!!1
Are you saying jet fuel causes CV? [tinfoil]
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Also I spoke too soon about the president being pleased. :O
Much as I don't like it, I actually get where him and the fed are coming from in the short term. With other countries at negative rates or actively cutting, it's kind of a "keep up with the Jones's" thing to stay globally competitive. In the long term though, chasing rates into negative territory is not smart, IMO. The European banks that have been doing it for a while don't seem to be doing anything except making their predicament worse.
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Hong Kong police hunt armed gang stealing toilet rolls amid coronavirus panic-buying
https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/news/world/hong-kong-police-hunt-armed-gang-stealing-toilet-rolls-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying/articleshow/74169388.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
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Must be a Costco thing, Kroger is stocked up on everything.
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I dunno, this might belong in poly-ticks:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/denver-democrat-faces-backlash-after-tweeting-solidarity-for-spreading-coronavirus-at-trump-rallies
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Do mutual funds count as panic buying and/or hoarding?
Asking for a friend.
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Huh? People weren't traveling all over the world in 1990? I was traveling to tropical dive locations during that decade, and all the planes were full.
It was a giant hassle. The number of widebodys that could travel long distances was limited. Now thanks to fuel saving engines, planes don't even need to be widebodies. We've got A32N's flying across the pond now Airbus 320 neo)
It took multiple connections and only in limited airports just as recently as 30 years ago to get from here to somewhere like Dubai or from the east coast to Asia.
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We're just now this week getting around to testing enmasse.
So the 8th death...actually died on the 26th of last week. They circled back and tested the decedent because he was from the nursing home in WA, and died of a respiratory illness.
Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ the US government is botching this.
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I'm torn between saving my money in case of a forced, lengthy leave from work and draining the savings account for more guns and ammo . . . .
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I'm torn between saving my money in case of a forced, lengthy leave from work and draining the savings account for more guns and ammo . . . .
I wouldn't sweat more guns and ammo. Have something on hand you can fight off a few looters with? That's all you need.
This is not a TEOTWAWKI level event. It could suck. It could suck pretty bad.
Having food means if the stores run low on stuff you want, you aren't gonna starve, and that if you get forced into quarantine you're not going to starve.
Save money and store consumables and food you'll use anyways.
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Quite a few people in this country where almost all if not all of their diet is fast food, many of them will be in loot mode within a day or two of a quarantine .
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Quite a few people in this country where almost all if not all of their diet is fast food, many of them will be in loot mode within a day or two of a quarantine .
Quarantine may pointless already.
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From what I read on FB, the local Costco stores in the Seattle area are out of toilet paper, paper towels, bottled water, disinfecting wipes, disinfecting chemicals and various canned foods.
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I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.
bob
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I think it is more of a case of “If I am stuck in my house for a long time I don’t want to run out of TP!” followed by “There isn’t much TP left! There must be a run on it and so I must buy all I can!” followed by “There is no good TP left, I will buy all the single ply junk that is left!”
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"Flushable Wipes" aren't. That is all.
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North central Ohio Sam's Club report.
All of the rice is sold out save the smaller #10 bags. It's just empty pallets where the normal bags were.
No Member's mark paper towels.
Very little TP of any kind.
Rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer are picked over
Ibuprofen is just gone, along with all the cold preventer chewables. Just empty shelves.
Not very busy this evening, but the folks that were there seem to be loading up on the above and bottled water. Saw one dude with a cart full of spam and canned chicken.
GFS, OTOH, is untouched. Had to stop there for bread flour, since our Sam's doesn't bother stocking it anymore.
We got a couple trays of chicken thighs and some sushi. Sam's club pro tip, if yours gets a sushi bar, do try it. For the price, it's really good (for the Midwest). I grade on a curve for any sushi not within sight of the ocean. Ours gets extra credit for having actual Asian people* making said sushi.
(Koreans, know the family, good people)
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I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.
bob
I'll let you in on the Prepper's Secret. You can use TP to blow your nose.
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I'll let you in on the Prepper's Secret. You can use TP to blow your nose.
Shhhhh
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People want to stock up on toilet paper because we're civilized. We're past the age of corn cobs, and they don't print the Sears catalog anymore.
And, if you're a TRUE prepper, you know that come the apocalypse, toilet paper will be the new currency. A man with a hoard of Charmin Ultrasoft will be Jeff Bezos wealthy...
Which leads to this question... how are they wiping their asses in The Walking Dead now that we're nearly a decade on since the great zombie apocalypse?
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"GFS"
What is GFS? Never heard of that store before.
"Koreans... sushi."
Silly man! Koreans don't make sushi, they make bulgogi!
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I just don't get the toilet paper thing. This virus is respiratory not GI. Kleenexes I can understand, you will be hacking up a lung but TP, your aren't crapping yourself to death, it isn't a rotavirus.
bob
Because if you're restricted to your home for quarantine, you don't want to run out of *expletive deleted*it paper.
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Interesting quote from the head of WHO:
"This virus is not SARS, it's not MERS, and it's not influenza; It is a unique virus with unique characteristics," he said. "With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19."
https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-3-4-percent-olympics-delay-possibility
I had thought they said the big problem with COVID-19 was people with no symptoms spreading it? This guy is basically saying the opposite. I'm not trusting of WHO these days, but if verified, that seems to have major implications.
As I continue my academic study of hoarding, finally, the Idaho Home Depots, etc are out of respirators. Online prices are still inflated, and I heard on the news yesterday that Amazon kicked over 1 MILLION third party "coronavirus" sellers off their site for price gouging, selling at regular prices but adding $100 shipping, and for labeling stuff like dust masks as "coronavirus protection".
I'm going to Costco this morning, more out of curiosity than anything else. Though they have a hammock there that I kinda want so I can lay in my backyard with a glass of whiskey and watch the world burn in comfort. :laugh:
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If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it. It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.
The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy.
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US. As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.
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I had a nyt article pulled up on my phone, but it's behind a paywall now. *expletive deleted*ers. Anyways, it had quotes which put this at .94% which is still nasty as *expletive deleted*ck. A normal flu year is .1% apparently.
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If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it. It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.
The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy.
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US. As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.
I'm curious as to what you think could be done better?
Here, we've reached out to some friends in the healthcare industry and they are pretty much parroting the government line.
My friend who is a Doctor locally has shared some concerns that it could go sideways on us so that's concerning.
What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
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Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%. Why would US go to 30-70%?
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What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
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Well, I guess I can skip going to Costco this morning. Apparently both the Boise and Nampa locations have been selling out of water and TP for the last three days running, even though virus risk is low in this state. Not worth dealing with crowds just for curiosity.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article240818796.html?
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South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
Yeah, but everyone knows that Americans do crappy on standardized tests...
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I'm curious as to what you think could be done better?
Here, we've reached out to some friends in the healthcare industry and they are pretty much parroting the government line.
My friend who is a Doctor locally has shared some concerns that it could go sideways on us so that's concerning.
What is so obvious to you that we aren't doing?
Passenger screening from infected countries. Wasn't done. Testing. Wasn't done at any scale. As soon as china ramped this up, we should have recognized and followed suit.
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South Korea is testing 10K people per day, and has been for awhile.
At last count from the CDC (which they removed from their website earlier this week) the US had tested about 500 total.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
I'm going to ask my Dr buddy about this.
It does seem like it would be helpful to know who has the flu and who has this infection.
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China is allegedly at 0.000056% infection currently and its worst province is Hubei at 0.0012%. Why would US go to 30-70%?
China also locked down several major cities and went so far as to weld people's doors shut. Wuhan got pretty bad and then they got it under control.
30% is the low end I've seen estimated world wide infection without major measures taken to slow the spread, as quoted by several health ministers and virologists. Swine flu was listed as a pandemic and hit 20% world wide infection.
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Passenger screening from infected countries. Wasn't done. Testing. Wasn't done at any scale. As soon as china ramped this up, we should have recognized and followed suit.
We shut down flights from China. The way China refused to share information and that this happened at a time Chinese were traveling all over the place made sure that containing this was near impossible.
Personally, I am not seeing a whole lot yet that has me real worried. I am concerned more about the media stirring things up and provoking panic.
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I don't consider myself overly worried. However, this is more serious than just a nasty flu. Look at how it ravaged that nursing home in WA. It is going to get much worse in the US. Brushing it off as a non event, or a media hype storm is a mistake.
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I don't consider myself overly worried. However, this is more serious than just a nasty flu. Look at how it ravaged that nursing home in WA. It is going to get much worse in the US. Brushing it off as a non event, or a media hype storm is a mistake.
I don't know if it is any nastier than the flu, it just has a different demographic that it sends for a dirt nap, for the most part. People underestimate the flu, it has been killing a bunch of people for a long time.
bob
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30% is the low end I've seen estimated world wide infection without major measures taken to slow the spread, as quoted by several health ministers and virologists. Swine flu was listed as a pandemic and hit 20% world wide infection.
The 20% number is a retrospective total infection estimate. It is also on the very high end of estimates for the 2009 pandemic. What you seem to be doing is taking confirmed deaths/confirmed cases to come up with a death rate of 1-3% then multiplying by total infection estimates to come up with a prediction. Let's see how that plays out with real H1N1 numbers:
Confirmed H1N1 cases in the US in 2009: 115,318
Confirmed H1N1 deaths in the US in 2009: 3,443
Confirmed Death rate in the US: ~3%
Retrospective CDC estimates for total 2009 H1N1 US infections: 57,000,000
So ... using your method, we would expect 57 million infected times 3% death rate, or 1.7 million dead Americans. Actual retrospective CDC estimates were around 11,690 Americans killed by H1N1 in 2009. Then if you say that 1.4 billion people caught H1N1, and given that we have that 3% confirmed death rate in the US then we're looking at 42,000,000 worldwide deaths for H1N1 in 2009. Is that what we saw?
Comparing apples to oranges doesn't give good results.
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First, i'm only looking at how much of the population got swine fiu as a comparison, not the mortality rate. The mortality rate of that variation was lower than the regular flu, .001%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
20% is the high end estimate of how many people got it during the outbreak.
So no, I was comparing only the numbers based off potential outbreak numbers.
I, too hope this is a nothing burger. Hell, I have convention plans for next month and haven't cancelled them.
However, this bug has a lot of potential to wreak further havoc on our health care system and economy.
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First, i'm only looking at how much of the population got swine fiu as a comparison, not the mortality rate.
So no, I was comparing only the numbers based off potential outbreak numbers.
Yes, I know exactly what you're doing, and it is wrong. You're comparing apples to oranges and I showed with real historical numbers why that results in bad predictions. I never suggested you were using H1N1 lethality numbers, just showed the error of using ([confirmed deaths] / [confirmed cases] * [estimated total infected population]) to come up with a predicted death toll. That equation sucks.
One more time - you are multiplying retrospective estimates of total H1N1 infected (a huge number that might well eventually reflect Covid-19 infections) with the confirmed mortality rate of Covid-19 which comes from confirmed cases and confirmed deaths. Right? The problem is your death rate is highly inflated because detection and death is more likely in serious cases. Thus, you are multiplying a huge number by an artificially high death rate.
As I showed using actual stats and estimates from H1N1 (even with its eventually determined low mortality rate) if you had calculated an estimated eventual death toll by first coming up with a mortality rate by dividing known deaths by known cases (exactly as we are doing with Covid-19 because that is all the info we have) then multiplying by the estimated number of actual infected (which is a big, big number) then the result is scary looking ... but in no way reflective of reality. The scary part of H1N1 is that it impacted the young at a higher rate than expected.
Edit: I screwed up my percentages in my previous post, but not the calculated numbers. Honestly it makes an even better comparison than I thought, though, because the H1N1 death rate based on known deaths/known cases is pretty much the same as Covid-19 is currently thought to be, but ended up being 148 times overstated compared to the final estimated mortality rate.
If this holds true for Covid-19 (and I can't say that it will) then we might be looking at a real mortality rate equivalent to H1N1. I'm guessing that in the final analysis Covid-19 is going to be found to be a bit more deadly, but not so much so to make this a serious catastrophe.
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Well, since the government took forever to spool up testing, and is now hiding the data, it may be awhile before we have a real number.
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Curiosity got the better of me and I went to Costco to watch the zoo animals. Report from the Nampa, ID Costco:
Preface: Last week I mentioned I was at that Costco and other than long lines, I wasn't sure if people were hoarding or not. I can now say they were not, because I would have absolutely noticed. Ten seconds after entering Costco today it was obvious that there were panic buyers.
One third of shoppers were buying nothing but water and TP, with some throwing in a case of paper towels. And I mean LOTS of water and TP. I would WAG an average of three cases of water and three cases of TP per shopper. Some people were only grabbing a couple of cases of water and one of TP, but many were using the pallet carts and buying like half a dozen or more of each. I got there right when they opened. Looking at stock left, I'm going to guess they will run out again (see the link in my previous post) in the next hour or two. And they had LOTS of stock.
Another third of shoppers were grabbing maybe a case of water and TP, then just doing their regular shopping. Another third were just doing regular shopping.
I didn't see anyone grabbing sacks of rice and beans, which Costco has lots of. Or very many people grabbing cases of canned anything. For some weird reason, there was a run on peanut butter. Also people were buying the cases of pre-mixed protein drinks, but not touching the tubs of protein powder.
Batteries were fully stocked. There were two pallets of nitrile gloves, and not a single box was missing from the pallets. I suspect if there were N95 masks next to the gloves, those would have been gone. I didn't see anyone buying any of the various hand soaps Costco sells.
When I hit the checkout, I heard the checker tell the person in front of me (who apparently asked about the panic purchasing) that they were told this is happening in most all the Costcos across the country.
Meanwhile, on my way home, I stopped at my podunk grocery store for milk and did a walk-through. They were fully stocked on everything, including TP and water. They had a couple of pallets of water outside the store, and there was maybe 30% missing, which seems kinda normal to me. I couldn't even see a dent in the TP or paper towels. They were out of hand sanitizer though. Otherwise, business as usual. Have to wonder if it's a rural vs city thing or what.
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So Australia, SK and Japan went batshit over TP in the last few days. I think people have started glomming onto that and buying more.
Lucky I bought two mega packs last week. I'm headed out today I might grab one more. And I asked the wife to buy PT, she bought one sad little 6 pack.
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Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
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Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
When I built my bike last year, several items were post ship from China via ali express.
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Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
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Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
Agreed. China shut down their economy to get this done, and their economy is pretty much sending goods to us...
On the bright side, we don't import a lot of food from them.
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My wife went to Sam's today. She says there were no sanitizing wipes available at all. Plenty of toilet paper though.
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Looks like made in china will soon disappear from store shelves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC01Xgl1ZSA
It can't happen soon enough. Maybe Americans can start making things again.
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It can't happen soon enough. Maybe Americans can start making things again.
That's not going to happen.
Instead stuff will spread out to Vietnam, other SE Asian countries with labor rates that are comparable. India maybe. You'll probably see some higher end things going to E. Europe, and some low end manufacturing even going to Africa.
It was inevitable, China's huge manufacturing surge was going to eventually cause them to have labor price increases, and manufacturing was going to start moving. The trade war with China and now Covid-19 is just upping the timetable earlier than pure economic/market forces would have. China is on the brink of stagflation just like Japan has been for the past 30 odd years.
Large scale manufacturing of anything/everything is not coming back to America, at least not for decades until dozens of countries have gone through their "China phase" and wages worldwide (minus shipping) rise until they've leveled off everywhere.
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Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...
Absolute reliance on "Made in China" was eventually gonna bite us in the ass.
Hopefully this will get people and corporations to rethink our supply chain a little but I don't have much hope. Just as soon as things calm down it will be back to business as usual until the next big flusterlcuck comes along.
I don't know if they will. Corporations have been extremely focused on short term decisions, and supply chain disruptions only matter if you plan on running your company for 30 years.
Most corporations are run by short-timers. (Illustration: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/02/12/ceo-tenure-rates/)
Maybe we should start looking at the laws for Corporations versus family-owned companies and start providing significant incentive for the latter versus the former. Family-owned companies tend to make decisions differently.
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This was from a Sam's Club in Cincinnati last night. (https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/E6JQyHQSk-6ODC-PazdzN61bxgeLSCHkkwmp57ZfPMQeJxFPc?viewBox=703%2C937&ownerId=A2XWF6EQ8PDBT8)
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This was from a Sam's Club in Cincinnati last night. (https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/YT6mZAOzFyvyTExWpr7q1WvesnBAggUnBHDZw8gQXJ5)
Wow. We might actually need some TP in the next week or two. I suppose we better get some soon.
Thankfully, Kroger was fully stocked this morning when I stopped by.
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Paper products and food are our biggest exports. TP may have short term shortages, but there's not going to be a TP apocalypse.
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Paper products and food are our biggest exports. TP may have short term shortages, but there's not going to be a TP apocalypse.
The TP/Paper towel hoarding has me scratching my head, as to why? It is kind of like milk, eggs, and bread in the lead up to a snow storm.
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If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases.
The death rate numbers now are wrong, and almost certainly understated, for a mathematical reason. The reason is that the virus is still spreading. When spreading, it means each infected person infects more than one other person...by definition, otherwise it would be contained. For a hypothetical Budweiser virus with R=2, that means 10 cases today, 20 tomorrow, 40 the next, etc. Meanwhile it takes a couple weeks to die from it. So by the time the first 10 die, there are 100 people infected, and they say it has a 10% death rate, even if it's actually 100%. Because incubation periods and when the virus was contracted are never well known, there is no practical way to correct the statistics until the virus burns out. Which hasn't happened yet, except probably in some isolated populations in China. So you can regard all death rate estimates as BS, not because they are lying, but because it's impossible to know yet.
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If it hits a true 3.4%, that's a pretty big deal. I doubt that number, because they're only running off known cases. This *expletive deleted*it has gone pandemic, and nobody is admitting it. It's in outbreak status in dozens of countries and at this point beyond control.
Based on those numbers though, if 30% of the American populace gets it, 3 million will die. At 70% infection, 7 and a half million deaths just in the US.
The us doesn't have the ICU facilities to handle the severe case load even at the much lower .9% number I've heard, because as many as 14% require hospitalization when infected.
The who is all over the place on this right now, which makes them even less trust worthy.
At this point, as badly as this administration has handled this....it will spread rapidly across the US. As the testing gets squared away, I expect the known cases to reach 5 figures this week.
At least around here that's a fact. Two years ago I had a burst appendix. The hospital I normally go to told the ambulance to not take me there - they were swamped with flu patients. Instead, they drove me to another hospital, only to find the same thing there - they were swamped with flu patients. The 3rd hospital took me, only because the surgeon saw me in the ER & said "it's happening, now". That was with the "normal" flu.
Our local grocery store was fully stocked yesterday. Only thing they were out of was 2% milk. Other than that the paper & canned goods were fully stocked. Small rural TX town (pop. < 1,000). I'll try to remember to check out the local Walmart shelves tomorrow.
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I had to make another stop at the grocery store. Still well stocked and no indication of panic buying.
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"GFS"
What is GFS? Never heard of that store before.
"Koreans... sushi."
Silly man! Koreans don't make sushi, they make bulgogi!
Mike,
Had to look it up. GFS is Gordon Food Service. https://www.gfs.com/en-us
On Sushi preparing Koreans, I give you Mark Pi's China Gate. The Chinese restaurant, run by Koreans, that makes excellent Japanese food. Ironically, their actual Chinese stuff is pretty average.
https://mark-pis-china-gate.business.site/
And on Bulgogi, I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
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Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
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Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
>:D
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Looked like GFYS to me thought it was a message to Mike
Yeah, well, Gordon Food Service to you, too, you jack wagon! :rofl:
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Interesting article about stockpiling in the face of Corona.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-where-shoppers-are-stockpiling-the-most.html
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Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
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Mike,
Had to look it up. GFS is Gordon Food Service. https://www.gfs.com/en-us
On Sushi preparing Koreans, I give you Mark Pi's China Gate. The Chinese restaurant, run by Koreans, that makes excellent Japanese food. Ironically, their actual Chinese stuff is pretty average.
https://mark-pis-china-gate.business.site/
And on Bulgogi, I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
Had my first bulgogi in Tacoma, WA last fall from a tiny mom and pop place downtown. It was excellent. Much better than the traditional Chinese food we get in America. I'm also a big fan of Bahn Mi sandwiches.
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And on Bulgogi, I've never heard of the stuff but on searching it I want some.
Trader Joes, if you have one, sells it, and it's actually really good for store bought.
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Trader Joes, if you have one, sells it, and it's actually really good for store bought.
Frozen section?
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Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
Is this a criminal offense?
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I've never been one much for Korean food in general, I just don't like the way they use the common Asian spice palette.
Except for bulgogi. I can destroy a plate of bulgogi.
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Is this a criminal offense?
I don't see how it could be. The test results weren't back yet and the "quarantine" was voluntary.
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Someone broke voluntary self-quarantine, went to a party, turned out to have the virus, and infected at least one other person. At this point they shouldn't be doing, "first name only to protect privacy". He deserves to be nationally ridiculed. He didn't go out for any valid. He went to a freaking party. And he works in the medical field for crying out loud.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/n-h-man-who-ignored-advice-to-stay-home-before-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-prompts-self-quarantine-questions
What a selfish prick.
All because his fun was too important to postpone, he has now infected at least one other person (I'm sure that number will climb) and forced the venue to cancel 3 events, costing them how much $$?
I hope the venue can sue him.
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Frozen section?
No, actually where the fresh packaged meat is.
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I don't see how it could be. The test results weren't back yet and the "quarantine" was voluntary.
Yeah, I think it falls more into Mak's "selfish prick" territory. Seems like the bigger unintended consequences would end up being whether you let people self-isolate in the comfort of their own home or not. It only takes one ahole to screw stuff up.
I could see civil action being appropriate, depending on background circumstances.
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Well, ten year treasury bills are now below 1%.
I guess the good news if you're a home buyer or refinacer, is that you can get conventional loans for under 3%.
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Is this a criminal offense?
Article on Fox quoted someone in NH saying it is not a crime to ignore a doctor's recommendation. It may be a misdemeanor if he ignores the NH health department's orders.
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Well, ten year treasury bills are now below 1%.
I guess the good news if you're a home buyer or refinacer, is that you can get conventional loans for under 3%.
Yep. My last mortgage broker just contacted me. He offered 2.875% for a 15yr fixed and no closing costs. I'm currently at 3.5% with 16 years to go.
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I think the optics might be a bit different if they guy went to event despite being told not to, infected someone, and that person subsequently died. Could bring charges.
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Kind of an experiment I put some items in my Amazon shopping chart I know come from China (rechargeable batteries, flash drives etc..) and have notice almost every time I check my chart prices are bouncing around like crazy, sometimes doubling and then back again, and availability goes from ships tomorrow to two months to not available back to tomorrow back to not available and so on and so on.
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Kind of an experiment I put some items in my Amazon shopping chart I know come from China (rechargeable batteries, flash drives etc..) and have notice almost every time I check my chart prices are bouncing around like crazy, sometimes doubling and then back again, and availability goes from ships tomorrow to two months to not available back to tomorrow back to not available and so on and so on.
As China gets their *expletive deleted*it together, they should put the full weight of their workforce behind providing the rest of the world with pandemic supplies. PROFIT!
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I spelled cart chart both times in that. OMG I'm turning into Joe Biden! :old:
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Herrrrre's Weird Al
The first reply :rofl:
https://twitter.com/alyankovic/status/1234923352810119168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Now a run on vodka
Your local store sold out of hand sanitizer? Make some from vodka. (Kudos to the genius at @goodhousemag who came up with this.) #coronavirusnewyork https://t.co/9I1NXmmvtM
— ALLISON ADATO (@editgirlnyc) March 4, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/03/05/the-coronavirus-hysteria-has-reached-a-new-level-titos-vodka-is-reduced-to-public-service-health-announcements/
https://twitter.com/editgirlnyc/status/1235314582018756611?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good. The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work. Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
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Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good. The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work. Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
Two thumbs up. I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel. Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good. Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
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Unless it's more like Everclear it won't do much good. The diy hand sanitizer needs to be 60%+ alcohol to work. Anything much under 95% alcohol, once mixed with aloe gel, won't be strong enough.
People were pointing that out in many comments I saw
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I prefer rum anyway :laugh:
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I mix bourbon with sweet vermouth and a few drops of bitters. It makes a nuclear sanitizer. I call it the Manhattan Project.
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SK seems to be on the ball with their testing. Considering the number of tests they've done, and the number of cases they have, I think they've slowed the spread there.
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I saw Trump is signing an $8.something billion dollar response bill. Couldn't tell if that's basically the Dem plan or if his admin threw more money into their original $2 billion plan.
Also, the ten year treasury is now at ~0.7%.
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SK seems to be on the ball with their testing. Considering the number of tests they've done, and the number of cases they have, I think they've slowed the spread there.
Slowed, but it is still going up significantly. They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.
Their death rate is interesting as well. Italy hit 1k detected infections on 2/29 while South Korea hit 1k detected infections on 2/26 so roughly comparable but if anything I'd expect South Korea's progression to be further along. Yet South Korea's death rate is only 0.6% as opposed to Italy's 3.8%. Last numbers I could find, South Korea has done about three times that Italy has done. I wonder if their increased testing is picking up a greater percentage of the actual cases and showing a more realistic death rate.
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"Couldn't tell if that's basically the Dem plan or if his admin threw more money into their original $2 billion plan."
I think it was a bipartisan response in Congress after the uproar over $2 billion not being enough of a response.
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https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-employee-at-seattle-headquarters-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
Amazon employee at Seattle headquarters tests positive for coronavirus
I got a new book in the mail Wed and thought about that just after opening the box (including cutting the air pocket stuffing). Of course, this guy wasn't in one of their warehouses.
This headline was right below that one. Do you think it will cause a panic? I have been staying off Facebook anyway. =)
Facebook contractor in Seattle tests positive for the coronavirus
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2 billion wasn’t enough graft for them, of course.
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Slowed, but it is still going up significantly. They went from 16-20% daily increases to ~8% daily increases which is still a bunch.
Their death rate is interesting as well. Italy hit 1k detected infections on 2/29 while South Korea hit 1k detected infections on 2/26 so roughly comparable but if anything I'd expect South Korea's progression to be further along. Yet South Korea's death rate is only 0.6% as opposed to Italy's 3.8%. Last numbers I could find, South Korea has done about three times that Italy has done. I wonder if their increased testing is picking up a greater percentage of the actual cases and showing a more realistic death rate.
Both should be concerning, as the seasonal flu is .1% tops.
SK has also had a much lower hospitalization rate than Italy. Italy is in double digit territory for ICU treatment. SK is not.
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As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus. I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive. I’m awaiting “permission” from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.
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When employee health told me that my fever and other symptoms fit the criteria for potential coronavirus, I was put on a 14-day self-quarantine. Since the criteria was met, the testing would be done. My doctor ordered the test through the county. The public county officer called me and verified my symptoms and agreed with testing. But the National CDC would not initiate testing. They said they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus.
This testing situation is pathetic.
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This testing situation is pathetic.
^this. It's also worse than I expected from our bureaucracy.
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This testing situation is pathetic.
I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.
On the news about the case near Houston, they said they did the test locally and were waiting to verify it with a follow up test at the CDC. I don't know what is going on in California though.
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Both should be concerning, as the seasonal flu is .1% tops.
Of course, but even with increased testing I wouldn't expect South Korea to catch them all. If it ends up being 0.6% overall it will be very high, but increased testing or the final retrospective estimate are likely to keep pushing that number down.
SK has also had a much lower hospitalization rate than Italy. Italy is in double digit territory for ICU treatment. SK is not.
That plays nicely with the idea that Italy a has much higher infected population than they know about but is only detecting the serious or obvious cases and South Korea's increased testing is picking up more of the mild and marginal cases that would otherwise have gone ignored.
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I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.
As of Wednesday some of the testing restrictions in place by the CDC were removed and most places are getting test kits just this week.
Federal officials said nearly 1 million tests were expected to be available by the end of this week. But in California, one of the country’s hardest-hit regions with 60 cases, the total testing capacity is limited to only 7,400 through the weekend, according to the California Department of Public Health.
Though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday lifted some guidelines so anyone with symptoms can be tested by their physician, local officials can’t take advantage of the looser restrictions because of the lack of test kits. In an advisory to physicians later that day, L.A. public health officials said that they would only be testing people with severe symptoms or with milder illness and a travel history to impacted areas.
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Indiana is reporting a case now
Holcomb said at a news conference Friday that a man from Marion County had been diagnosed after a recent trip to Boston.
That man is in isolation, Holcomb said, adding that a total of 12 Indiana residents have been tested for the virus, and 35 others are being monitored. They are currently under quarantine. but none of them is sick.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-first-case-reported-indiana-gov-holcomb-declares-public-health-emergency/
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I thought I heard testing was available locally now at least in most places. Just sounds odd. I would be curious to see more info on that case.
On the news about the case near Houston, they said they did the test locally and were waiting to verify it with a follow up test at the CDC. I don't know what is going on in California though.
The propaganda was that testing was available if a Dr ordered it. Not enough kits and not enough testing capacity, they are way far behind. Another misstep with the response. At least the President is spreading false information about it. I wish he'd shut his trap and let Pence do all the talking.
Anyways...
Look at the deaths in WA. We know that the nursing home was at the receiving end of community spread. 2 residents of the nursing home died from it BEFORE community spread was even confirmed. Estimates are on the low side of 600 infections in Washington state alone at this point.
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Two thumbs up. I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel. Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good. Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
Question on the composition of sanitizer:
I've carried a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for a couple of years or more. After a few months, the stuff loses its viscosity -- no longer dispenses like a gel, it comes out as a runny liquid. A lot like alcohol, in fact, and it smells like alcohol. Is it still viable hand sanitizer after it has lost it's gel-ness, or do I need to replace it?
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Question on the composition of sanitizer:
I've carried a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for a couple of years or more. After a few months, the stuff loses its viscosity -- no longer dispenses like a gel, it comes out as a runny liquid. A lot like alcohol, in fact, and it smells like alcohol. Is it still viable hand sanitizer after it has lost it's gel-ness, or do I need to replace it?
The active ingredient, the ethyl or isopropyl alcohol is still good even after the changes in viscosity. So you can continue to use it for the sanitizing effect.
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I locked the other two corona threads, as this one seems to be pretty much parallel to those. Putting this one on sticky for now, too.
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I locked the other two corona threads, as this one seems to be pretty much parallel to those. Putting this one on sticky for now, too.
Just a note that people were probably posting in the other threads because most people don't even check out the stickies and go straight to the non-stickied threads.
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Just a note that people were probably posting in the other threads because most people don't even check out the stickies and go straight to the non-stickied threads.
Actually might explain why the one stopped getting comments...
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Well, crap.
https://www.newson6.com/story/41864514/gov-stitt-announces-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-oklahoma (https://www.newson6.com/story/41864514/gov-stitt-announces-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-oklahoma)
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Priorities:
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Will-the-Porn-Industry-Be-Disrupted-by-15111112.php
(I'd expect coronavirus to be the least of their worries, but what do I know?)
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The local Walmart, (in a town < 4k pop.), still has at least 80% toilet paper & paper towels stocked & the canned food aisles are full. On the other hand, the hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes, bleach, & most cleansers are wiped out. Also no masks, and a few customers have been asking for Tyvek coveralls.
Folks around here, for the most part, don't have to stock up now, they already have/do. Seems like they're taking the cleanliness part seriously.
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Trumpvirus in Ky
No not the gel, the state
Kentucky governor confirms first case of coronavirus
https://www.wdrb.com/news/kentucky-governor-confirms-first-case-of-coronavirus/article_22d27024-5ff3-11ea-8635-cff06a843010.html
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So is this seriously a "thing?"
I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.
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But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
I reckon the empty shelves in the larger cities means somebody else is pre-occupied (or at least being scared by the MSM). :)
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So is this seriously a "thing?"
I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.
I think the virus itself is less of a thing than what it's likely to do to the economy, at least in the near term.
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Larry Kudlow says to avoid Seattle: https://www.kuow.org/stories/avoid-seattle-trump-s-top-economic-advisor-says
Well that's just good advice generally.
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I think the virus itself is less of a thing than what it's likely to do to the economy, at least in the near term.
Lots of trade shows, festivals and sports events are being cancelled. Japan is even considering cancelling the Olympic Games. Travelling is going down, prices are being dumped. Spoke to a guy over here who said his brother had bought a ticket to Vietnam for less than $100 equivalent.
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So is this seriously a "thing?"
I'm astounded by the volume of headlines on Drudge about it and you guys seem to discuss it at greater post velocity than certain other "Threads" around here.
But I don't see anything in public indicating any kind of preoccupation by anyone else.
Granted, I work from home 4/5 days and my 1 office day is in a software dev shop populated largely by introverts.
It is a thing. It has a mortality rate 10x higher than the flu, and a much higher rate of acute sickness caused by it.
Beyond the real dangers of the kung-flu itself, it's probably pushing the world into global recession. Just enough spread of it could cause major economic damage.
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Sam's Club in Louisville cleaned out of paper towels and TP, very low on water. Didn't check anything else, grabbed the furnace filters I went in for and left.
Hmmm, furnace filters......
Coming soon to e-bay, anti coronavirus house filters, $500 each >:D
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So is this seriously a "thing?"
Getting sick doesn't concern me that much. My family and I are healthy enough to handle it. I'm more concerned about the effect wide spread sickness will have on goods, services, and the economy. Covid-19 will do much more damage that way than through actual death.
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I'm definitely seeing an urban/rural divide in panic buying. While out and about yesterday, I stopped in the little grocery store the next town over on my way home for the couple of items I needed just for curiosity. Like my little store, they were pretty much fully stocked. I couldn't find where the hand sanitizer was, so don't know if that was sold out, but everything else looked to be stocked in normal quantities. Meanwhile the Costcos here continue to get sold out of TP and water every day.
So it's seeming more and more like people in rural areas are just going about their daily business because they already have emergency supplies, and people in the cities are making runs on stuff that they otherwise would just conveniently grab on their way home from work. Though certainly some rural residents may be driving to the Costcos and Walmarts for cheap bulk purchasing. Certainly those are the places I go when I need to restock. While the panic buying is a bit annoying, at least a lot of these people might actually be getting into the mindset to keep at least a few days of supplies around all the time, which would be a good thing.
I checked into my old local rag in Santa Barbara this morning, and saw an article on how Trader Joe's was sold out of TP. Because when pseudo-intellectual commie pinko hippies need to make a panic run for emergency supplies, Trader Joe's is their first stop. :rofl:
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Because only Trader Joe's and Whole Foods have the proper toilet paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM
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Because on Trader Joe's and Whole Foods have the proper toilet paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Getting sick doesn't concern me that much. My family and I are healthy enough to handle it. I'm more concerned about the effect wide spread sickness will have on goods, services, and the economy. Covid-19 will do much more damage that way than through actual death.
Almost certainly these "unintended consequences" will be hitting us for some time to come. I don't expect some of the more serious economic hits to take place until 2nd quarter results from multi-nationals are released.
Also just overblown government reaction and spending. I haven't seen it yet, but apparently this $8 billion response plan Trump just signed is full of "Christmas presents" via Nancy Pelosi, so I assume a good portion of the dough has nothing to do with response.
I also saw that Governor Newsom in CA is requiring all private insurers in the state to provide "free" coronavirus services; employers to provide workers comp, disability, and a host of other services for anyone infected (apparently young and healthy people as well). Meanwhile many ports in CA (including Santa Barbara - another local story I read from there) continue to allow cruise ships to dock and disembark tourists because they don't want local businesses to take an economic hit. Seem to be diametrically opposed responses.
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Does the Governor have the authority to force private companies to do all of that?
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Beyond the real dangers of the kung-flu itself, it's probably pushing the world into global recession. Just enough spread of it could cause major economic damage.
And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
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Does the Governor have the authority to force private companies to do all of that?
Don't know, but here's the story:
https://www.independent.com/2020/03/05/california-requires-free-covid-19-testing/
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The Pope is changing things up a bit
Pope to give next 2 public blessings via video to prevent spread of coronavirus
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/07/pope-give-next-public-blessings-via-video-prevent-spread-coronavirus/
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And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
And right after I type that
‘She’s actually smiling’: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace and guest discuss coronavirus that could become ‘Trump’s Katrina’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/07/shes-actually-smiling-msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-and-guest-discuss-coronavirus-that-could-become-trumps-katrina/
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And the scary part is many dems almost seem to be giddy over the prospect hoping it will bring Trump down. 2008 redux.
This is exactly the reason the MSM is pushing the "We're all gonna die!" hysteria. It's to bring down Trump, and they might just succeed given how a majority of voters vote their pocketbooks.
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Vote with pocketbooks? I anticipate making money on the Corona Virus I bought some more volatile mutual funds with cash I had available after the first big drop. I might do some more if it has another several thousand point drop. All I have to do is sit on those for the 8-12 months it takes economies to start moving again.
I'm also considering refinancing the house. It looks like I could knock 7-8 years off the payoff date and keep the same monthly payment I make now. That alone will save me $40k-ish.
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Two thumbs up. I tell people to mix 2/3 cup of 99% isopropyl alcohol (the cheap option) or 2/3 cup Everclear (the expensive option), along with 1/3 cup plain aloe vera gel. Add a few drops of your favorite essential oil or extract if you want it to smell good. Proper handwashing technique is still the first line of defense, but I certainly use the sanitizer at work between handwashings.
Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
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Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
https://www.amazon.com/Isopropyl-Alcohol-Grade-Anhydrous-gallon/dp/B01MEGQ9Q0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=99+percent+isopropyl+alcohol+5+gallon&qid=1583601158&sr=8-2
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:facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiz7sQvzWI
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:facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiz7sQvzWI
Londo Mollari (Babylon 5): You have that vacant look in your eyes that says, "Hold my head to your ear; you will hear the sea."
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Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
70% is superior for medical purposes to 90%. It disinfects better. There's no reason to prefer higher concentrations unless you have an industrial use that requires it. Of course you can water down pure IPA as well but on a cost basis you can probably buy more 70% per dollar anyway.
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They are probably gone by now, but Mal-Wart usually has 91% IPA for $2.50 a pint. It works great for backpacking stoves, should work fine for making hand sanitizer.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html
Around 70 people were trapped after the collapse of a hotel used as a coronavirus quarantine facility in eastern China on Saturday evening, officials said.
At least 38 people have so far been rescued from the rubble of the 80-room Xinjia hotel in coastal Quanzhou city, said the local government.
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They are probably gone by now, but Mal-Wart usually has 91% IPA for $2.50 a pint. It works great for backpacking stoves, should work fine for making hand sanitizer.
You'd need to cut the aloe gel back a little (like from 33% to 30%) to make sure you're above 60% alcohol.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-collapse-traps-70-eastern-china-154017056.html
Out of the frying pan into the fire. Hope everyone is okay.
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Where do you find 99% isopropyl alcohol? I just looked in the medicine cabinet and found that I have some that's 91%, but also some that's 70%. The latter was probably bought before I knew there were different grades or percentages offered.
Is the 70% effective against anything, or should I throw it away? (Or use it as a cleaning agent in the shop?)
I find it now and again at the drug store, Target, etc. It costs a bit more than the lower concentrations, but not a lot more IIRC.
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A little something from FB World
Facebook says it will ban ads for medical face masks
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/07/facebook-says-it-will-ban-ads-medical-face-masks/
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I'm still waiting for someone to blame corona virus on
global warming climate change. Has it happened already and I just missed it, or have the climate alarmists dropped the ball on this one?
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According to the map on NBC News' web site (updated to 10:xx today) my state still has no confirmed cases. Nonetheless, I was at Walmart today. I'm pretty well set in the sanitizer department but I looked out of curiosity. (And, yes, if they had had any I would have bought one.) I didn't see any, so I asked a young lady who was stocking shelves. She didn't speak English, so I asked in Spanish. The answer: "No hay." (pronounced "no aye.")
For those who don't speak Spanish, "No hay" means "fuggetabowdit! Not today, not tomorrow, and probably not next week."
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My wife was at the Walmart in the tiny town she works in and it was out of hand sanitizer also. She is going to a different Walmart when she gets done with the girls game tonight so I asked her to check the tp for my bungholio. Will report later.
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My wife was at the Walmart in the tiny town she works in and it was out of hand sanitizer also. She is going to a different Walmart when she gets done with the girls game tonight so I asked her to check the tp for my bungholio. Will report later.
My wife reports that Job Lots, a local discount store, was fully stocked on sanitizer and wipes.
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My dad hit our Sam's today.
TP, Paper towels and such are restocked, still no big bags of jasmine rice.
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Not sure if this should go here or in the .40 caliber thread veer in the "harbinger" topic. :laugh:
Ammo.com reports a big sales increase that they are attributing to beer virus panic. What I found interesting, given that .40 is out of favor now, is that their .40 sales are up over 400% - just over twice as much as the next most popular caliber, .223. I was quite surprised that 9mm wasn't at the top.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ammunition-sales-soar-response-coronavirus-133400231.html
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Report from the wife was tp and paper towels ok but wipes and ha d sanitizer was low or gone.
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Ammo.com reports a big sales increase that they are attributing to beer virus panic. What I found interesting, given that .40 is out of favor now, is that their .40 sales are up over 400% - just over twice as much as the next most popular caliber, .223. I was quite surprised that 9mm wasn't at the top.
... because COVID-19 is too tough to be stopped by 9mm.
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Costco was full up with paper towels and TP, limit 2
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Asked the clerk in the liquor section if they were selling more vodka than normal.
She said way more.
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Sen. Ted Cruz will self-quarantine in Texas after interacting with an individual at CPAC who tested positive for coronavirus
Cruz said in a statement he is “not experiencing any symptoms” but “out of an abundance of caution” he stay in Texas for 14 days after the interaction
— Dianne Gallagher (@DianneG) March 8, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/08/breaking-ted-cruz-announces-he-will-self-quarantine-after-exposure-to-coronavirus-at-cpac/
... and the usual suspects hope that he dies from it.
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THE VIRUS IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/09/wuhan-isnt-a-race-you-tool-msnbcs-david-gura-claims-anyone-using-wuhan-virus-is-racist-and-guess-how-that-goes-over/
Best comment from the link:
"Yes, I'll have the Cuban sandwich with a side of Spanish rice, please."
"Out of my restaurant, racist!"
"What? All I was doing was—"
"You don't have to justify your racism with me, bigot! Out!"
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In the meantime, another big drop in the market, and the 10 year Treasury is now ~0.4%, and the 30 year has dropped below 1%. Gold is approaching $2000/oz. Holy cow!
Of course this is partially due to oil, so what's happening with the market, etc. might need to be a separate thread.
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Of course this is partially due to oil, so what's happening with the market, etc. might need to be a separate thread.
There is a whole lot to unwrap. Covid-19 isn't the cause of the coming crash, its just the catalyst that got it started.
Expect trading to halt today, probably shortly after opening. I have no idea where the bottom is going to be, but we are far from it. The fed is out of ammo- they can only cut 50 more basis points before money is virtually free.
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This is going to be painful, but it's not going to last for several years like it did during the 2008-2010 crisis.
The reason oil prices are bottoming right now is that Saudia Arabia has essentially declared war on Russia, and Russia has reciprocated, over market share. Unfortunately that puts the American shale oil industry right in the firing line.
The Saudis have tried to do this before, with varying degrees of success -- in the early 1990s with Venezuela, in the 2000s with Nigeria, Libya, and the US, and now Russia.
It's going to take about 6 months to shake out, is my guess.
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It's going to take about 6 months to shake out, is my guess.
This is my thinking as well. Instead of throwing big money into the drop, I've been buying smaller chunks of my Vanguard funds each week. Though today's drop has me wanting to increase that a bit.
I will probably buy some more BP with this latest oil kerfuffle. Even if it stays down a long while, they have a great dividend that's certainly much higher than current T-bills. :laugh:
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Coronavirus: The Democrat Great Election Hope
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Meanwhile, my state registered its first confirmed case on Sunday. On Sunday I went to the supermarket. Plenty of paper towels and toilet paper, but there is no hand sanitizer to be found, apparently nowhere in the county and probably nowhere in the state.
But -- I have some 70% alcohol and some 91% alcohol in the medicine cabinet. In a worst case scenario, I can use that. And I can cut the 91% back to 75% or so with distilled water.
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It's at Walmart
Cue the panic
Walmart employee among 4 COVID-19 cases in Kentucky
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/walmart-employee-among-covid-cases-kentucky/
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I still don't get the big run on hand sanitizer, while stuff like nitrile gloves are available in abundance. If I'm greatly concerned about handling stuff, the gloves are a much better barrier, then I can go home and wash with soap and water, which is 10X better than hand sanitizer.
Full disclosure, I am using the antiseptic wipes I keep in the center console depending on where I've been, while more importantly, just consciously keeping my hands away from my face until I get to a sink.
I was also just thinking about face masks. While they aren't virus protection for most people, a surgical mask or even dust mask is certainly a good way to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose.
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I was also just thinking about face masks. While they aren't virus protection for most people, a surgical mask or even dust mask is certainly a good way to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose.
Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.
bob
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Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.
bob
Good point.
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Or not. Watch people wearing masks and count how many times they reach up to adjust the mask to the bridge of their nose, which put fingers right next to eyes.
bob
Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
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Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
In fairness, even to that ditz, it IS kinda difficult not to subconsciously touch your face. Getting hair out of your eyes (for those of you that have hair :laugh: ), scratching an itchy nose, rubbing an eye, etc. I've always been bad about that and have had to make a very conscious effort to keep from doing it since the beer virus.
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Somewhere I saw a video of AOC talking about not touching your face. In the same video, she touches her face and hair a dozen times or more.
https://youtu.be/aBiz7sQvzWI?t=55
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"In fairness, even to that ditz, it IS kinda difficult not to subconsciously touch your face."
Exactly. And, if someone puts the thought in your head that you're NOT supposed to do it, it's very likely that you're going to do it a LOT more.
Like telling someone not to say UHM in the middle of a sentence when speaking...
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This is my thinking as well. Instead of throwing big money into the drop, I've been buying smaller chunks of my Vanguard funds each week. Though today's drop has me wanting to increase that a bit.
That's what I'm doing.
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A coworker just came back from Seattle last Thursday. Family funeral, she was there for 5 days.
I've decided only phone calls to mom and dad for the time being. They're in their 80's.
No harm in being careful.
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A coworker just came back from Seattle last Thursday. Family funeral, she was there for 5 days.
I've decided only phone calls to mom and dad for the time being. They're in their 80's.
No harm in being careful.
My folks are in their late 70's and I am concerned for them especially since spawn #2's birthday is coming up and the party is later and they will want to come to the party. I guess we will have to wait and see.
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My dad will be 93 in a couple of months, and he's being a total pain with the, "It's just a bunch of hype!" stuff. While it IS being hyped, he's still in the, "If you get it you're basically dead" category and he refuses to listen to me about staying away from public places and letting my sister go to the store for him. Of course she's worthless and would probably blow that off anyway. Sure wish I could get him to move here. It would make this kind of thing much easier to handle.
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Want to make bets on what percentage comply with this? I say less than 50%.
WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/
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Want to make bets on what percentage comply with this? I say less than 50%.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/09/us-capital-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-state-dept-warns-against-cruise-ship-travel/
Yeah, self-isolating and "punishment" for not doing so is going to start to get interesting. I just read that some Missouri (I think?) father had one daughter with the virus, was told to self-quarantine his family, and ended up taking the other daughter to a school dance. Apparently that whole school is shut down now.
Whether shutting whole institutions down is the scientifically correct response or not, it's the response that's going to occur. If there is any significant percentage of people like that guy, they are going to cause large problems, and I wouldn't be surprised if municipalities start posting cops in front of people's homes, or just moving them to a centralized quarantine location, if "breaking isolation" starts to get out of hand.
Self-isolation is a reasonable solution between the public and the government, but it only takes a few self-absorbed dumbasses to throw that contract out the window.
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He hates double dippers! Impeach him!
As Trump pushes a nothing-to-see-here message in public, sources said he’s privately terrified about getting the virus. “Donald is a famous germaphobe. He hates it if someone is eating nachos and dips a chip back in after taking a bite. He calls them ‘double dippers,’” a prominent Republican said. Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg recalled Trump’s response to the last major outbreak in 2014. “When I worked for Trump, he was obsessed with Ebola,” Nunberg told me. (One Mar-a-Lago guest disputed this and said Trump was handshaking with gusto this past weekend. “He was acting like the opposite of a germaphobe,” the source said.)
People don’t know this term? https://t.co/yPm6emP3MM
— RBe (@RBPundit) March 9, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/09/vanity-fair-special-correspondents-evidence-that-donald-trump-is-melting-down-over-covid19-includes-trump-behaving-like-a-civilized-person/
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Yeah, self-isolating and "punishment" for not doing so is going to start to get interesting. I just read that some Missouri (I think?) father had one daughter with the virus, was told to self-quarantine his family, and ended up taking the other daughter to a school dance. Apparently that whole school is shut down now.
A number of schools are closing or will be closing soon.
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WASHINGTON (AP/Gray News) - Several hundred people are being asked to self-quarantine after potential exposure to the first identified case of the new coronavirus in the nation’s capital, now publicly identified as the rector of prominent Episcopal church.
Great. Episcopalians (AFAIK) still do the full communion every week, complete with wine and wafers. I wonder how many infected wafers the good reverend has given out in the past two or three weeks.
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Great. Episcopalians (AFAIK) still do the full communion every week, complete with wine and wafers. I wonder how many infected wafers the good reverend has given out in the past two or three weeks.
You win this round, tiny plastic cups.
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Sounds like the perfect job for Solo...
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After a couple of very local cases hit the news I hit the grocery store last night, mostly so my wife wouldn't have to go out with the kids as much. I intentionally went to the next town over in hope of additional selection and spent more than I should have.
Stock report:
Plenty of food and paper goods.
Cleaning supplies - especially disinfecting wipes and sprays - were absolutely gone. As in a giant, empty space where they used to be, void of anything except shelf labels and a sign saying that purchases were limited to 5 per person.
Bleach was available in large quantities.
Rubbing alcohol was gone. We've got drums of isopropyl at work, and if it ever comes to it I'll ask the boss if I can buy a few quarts.
Hand sanitizer was gone.
Hand soap was available.
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Hand sanitizer was gone.
Hand soap was available.
At this point, this has to be some people's mistaken belief that "sanitizer" is better than soap, and not just all purchases of sanitizer to use while away from soap and water. People are stocking up on ten years worth of TP, but leaving hand soap sitting on the shelves.
I have to hit my little grocery store today. I'll check stock and see if panic mode has made it out here yet.
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Sanitizer is easier to use incidentally than soap and water is my guess.
You can gop on sanitizer without having to lather, rinse, repeat, dry...
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Sanitizer is easier to use incidentally than soap and water is my guess.
You can gop on sanitizer without having to lather, rinse, repeat, dry...
I agree, and am sure people are buying it to keep at their desks at work, etc. I just think if people are really concerned, they would use soap and water where available. I have a suspicion some people are buying it to keep in their homes as well, and when they get back from the Walmart, using the sanitizer, which they keep right next to the hand soap in the bathroom.
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Now we're diverting planes if someone sneezes.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/10/people-are-losing-their-damn-minds-united-flight-diverted-after-passengers-complain-of-coughing-passenger/
I feel sorry for the airlines. How do you handles something like that? First thought might be to give the sneezer a respirator to wear, but it would likely cause some other nitwits to complain about that.
I don't think I've ever flown commercial without sneezing, just because of the dry, recirculated air in the plane, or somebody's perfume.
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Also, regarding the "racist virus":
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/10/so-hes-ignorant-and-racist-ha-woke-dr-eugene-gu-reaps-ratio-whirlwind-for-his-wuhan-virus-is-racist-self-own/
:rofl:
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Italy has implemented limited movement in the whole country. Not that it would happen here, but we are about 10 days behind Italy in detected cases.
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"I agree, and am sure people are buying it to keep at their desks at work, etc."
When I started in my current job I noticed a LOT of people have hand sanitizer on their desks (this was August last year).
I opened the overhead storage bin in my cube and found... a half-full 12-ounce bottle of Purell.
A few weeks ago I went to the main supply room to pick some stuff up and there was a shelf with about 40 12-ounce bottles of Purell.
I should swing by to see how many are left, or if people have cleaned them out.
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So I got this in a text. Any thoughts?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0
Reuters had this article listing the date information for each disease. Sounds like it doesn't all match up. However, we do seem to have a new one pop up every few years.
Also, ebola has been around a while and I thought most of the hysteria in that year was because the Obama Admin brought disease carrying people back to the US to a hospital in the middle of a major city. Not sure what they were trying to do with that.
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Wot?
That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
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Wot?
That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
I can't recall whether there was or wasn't political baggage with the previous outbreaks, but there is no doubt we have it here, and from what I can see, most is coming from the "party of science" left, with the apocalypse stuff. Plus of course, the relatively new "virus related" diversity and racism symptoms.
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"Plus of course, the relatively new "virus related" diversity and racism symptoms."
I'm fully expecting someone to claim that anyone who is not Chinese and who develops the virus to be practicing aggressive acts of cultural appropriation.
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I don't think China is welding doors shut* to keep people in their apartment buildings or Japan closed all their schools or South Korea is logging everyone's temperature if they leave the house or Italy is locking down the whole country because it's an election year in the US.
Things aren't bad here (yet) and the media is making a lot of useless noise, but there is genuinely significant & important news behind it.
The restrictions other counties have needed to slow the spread have been pretty extreme, if anything close to those are needed here it will be something we have not experienced in decades and something most people are probably unprepared for.
*These reports are unverified
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Be interesting to see if this effects NCAA tournament attendance or if they, do I dare say, cancel especially if some team members come down with it.
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Things are getting sporty in some places...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/new-york-gov-cuomo-to-deploy-national-guard-to-new-rochelle-establishes-containment-center-to-stem-coronavirus.html
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Prisons and jails could be rather telling examples of just how bad this virus really is.
Bullitt County jail placed on lockdown after several inmates become ill
https://www.wdrb.com/news/bullitt-county-jail-placed-on-lockdown-after-several-inmates-become/article_9460c11e-62dc-11ea-a9ab-df07ebb41297.html
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And some more "local" news
Berea College cancels semester and asks all students to move out in response to COVID-19 outbreak
https://www.wdrb.com/news/berea-college-cancels-semester-and-asks-all-students-to-move/article_18ca2ae8-62ed-11ea-ba3e-632524706207.html
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AOC will answer all your C19 question
Warning: I had several brain cells die reading what comments there are so far.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1237417443699589128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Harvard has told its students to vacate the premises (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-harvard-classes-online-spring-break/).
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...
And, Walmart is instituting a new emergency leave policy after Kentucky employee's positive test. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/walmart-deploys-new-emergency-leave-policy-kentucky-associate-has-coronavirus.html)
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[tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...
[tinfoil] [tinfoil]
This is a feature, not a bug.
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New York just locked down New Rochelle and is sending the Nat'l Guard in.
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So I got this in a text. Any thoughts?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0
Reuters had this article listing the date information for each disease. Sounds like it doesn't all match up. However, we do seem to have a new one pop up every few years.
Also, ebola has been around a while and I thought most of the hysteria in that year was because the Obama Admin brought disease carrying people back to the US to a hospital in the middle of a major city. Not sure what they were trying to do with that.
Facebook bullshit.
99.7% under 50? Okay, fine. That's a .3% mortality rate under fifty. The flu has an overall mortality rate of only .1%.
COVID-19, and you're over 50? Those numbers go up fast.
China didn't shut down their economy over SARS, which originated there. Why this one?
Because it's *expletive deleted*ing nasty.
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Italy has implemented limited movement in the whole country. Not that it would happen here, but we are about 10 days behind Italy in detected cases.
Yup. And look at the exponential growth of cases there. I bet we're 5x their case load come 2 weeks. 40-50k in two weeks, and 70k+ by the end of March. I bet our total cases exceeds china by 1.5-2x when this is done.
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Harvard has told its students to vacate the premises (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-harvard-classes-online-spring-break/).
Not sure how I feel about that one... let's take potentially infected students and disburse them world wide...
It's coming up on Spring break -- the students were going to disperse anyway. Harvard is just telling them not to come back after break. The rest of the semester will be conducted on-line.
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It's coming up on Spring break -- the students were going to disperse anyway. Harvard is just telling them not to come back after break. The rest of the semester will be conducted on-line.
Especially because a lot of the *expletive deleted*wits are headed places like Daytona.
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Wot?
That's not right! The left's hype is telling me that Kung Flu has a contagion rate higher than can be counted and that we're all already dead! And it's all Orange Man's Fault! Every bit of it!
Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too. Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion. And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives. Or something.
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Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too. Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion. And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives. Or something.
Cernovich has been over the top also.
For those whove lost confidence in the government there really isn't a lot of good, alternative sources of info.
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Except a lot of the doom and gloom over it is coming from Prepperland figures, too. Matt Bracken is nearly salivating at how many it will kill in his opinion. And teh gubmint is suppressing the information to kill conservatives. Or something.
While the preppers get giddy anytime something like this happens, this is, I think, the first time that I've seen the NYC Starbucks drinking, tofu eating, Netflix watching, condition white 24/7 left go all Armageddon.
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The moron factor (like the father in MO that sent his kid to the school dance after his other kid came down with it) isn’t going to help either
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[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
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Was in Sam's Club today
No TP
No paper towels
No water
Most canned meats 90% gone, zero spam (they usually have stacks)
No rice
No hand sanitizer
No alcohol (unless you count the drinking kind)
Many cleaning supplies cleaned out. Very low on what was left.
Ditto for detergent and soaps.
*expletive deleted*ing people are *expletive deleted*ing stupid
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Well, it's getting interesting. Kid at college in Ohio has had in-person classes all changed to online classes. Kids have option of staying or going home (he's NROTC, and has to stay). Meetung at work tomorrow for emergency planning. Just starting to see beginning of run on stuff at the grocery. Lots of conferences our staff was going to be attending are being cancelled. Might just be time to pull the long guns out of the safe for cleaning and oiling, and time to load up mags for everything.
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Oh, I forgot to report from my rural grocery store.
Everything was in stock except hand sanitizer. Plenty of antibacterial hand soap. The only thing I saw they weren't fully stocked on besides the hand sanitizer was disinfectant wipes and bleach and such. Looked like those shelves were missing 30%-50% of product, but still plenty to be had.
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Cernovich has been over the top also.
For those whove lost confidence in the government there really isn't a lot of good, alternative sources of info.
YouTube, Dr John Campbell, and Peak Prosperity.
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Aaaand...this is congress' priority regarding covid-19 response:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-rep-kevin-mccarthy-must-take-down-his-racist-chinese-coronavirus-tweet-and-apologize/
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Well put together mathematical video specifically talking about COVID-19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg)
3blue1brown does some really nice videos on math topics. The visuals are excellent.
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I guess Public Storage figured I need a new source of WuFlu panic. They sent me an email telling me what they're doing about it. Like I need to know. ;/
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I guess Public Storage figured I need a new source of WuFlu panic. They sent me an email telling me what they're doing about it. Like I need to know. ;/
All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations. Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel. We are minimizing outside contractors also.
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All the chemical plant companies on the Gulf Coast seem to be drafting pandemic plans centered around maintaining operations. Everyone is at the minor preparation level restricting travel. We are minimizing outside contractors also.
The FAA told us to wash our hands and not come to work sick so....
Literally no other guidance. No guidance on what to do or who to advise if we have symptoms or are exposed. I honestly think they don't have any plans in place, which is indicative of how this administration has run the entire response to corona.
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"Guidance" around my office is pretty much the same. Wash your hands, don't come to work sick.
There's a "Pi Day" bake off on Friday in which everyone brings in their homemade pies.
I was going to make a Shoo Fly Pie.
Not going to do it now for two reasons...
1. Corona (minor).
2. Seren has gone into explosive shedding mode and I can't keep up. I'm finding dog fur in EVERYTHING. I don't feel like making a pie and having a coworker get a big mouthful of dog fur.
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Well this ought to spark a nice panic in Germany...
Merkle Says Most Germans Will Get Corona -- https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-latest-updates.html
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In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
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Aaaand...this is congress' priority regarding covid-19 response:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-rep-kevin-mccarthy-must-take-down-his-racist-chinese-coronavirus-tweet-and-apologize/
I have to wonder what sort of money/investments some of these D.C. people have in China. There have been some prominent democrats who occasionally go out of their way to praise and/or defend China when any criticism comes up. There was a point a couple months ago that Bloomberg did the same thing.
(At least I hope it is just money/investments. [tinfoil] )
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The FAA told us to wash our hands and not come to work sick so....
Literally no other guidance. No guidance on what to do or who to advise if we have symptoms or are exposed. I honestly think they don't have any plans in place, which is indicative of how this administration has run the entire response to corona.
That was mostly what all the pandemic plans I mentioned were. Wash your hands. Keep food and bathrooms clean. Don't come to work sick. Consider working from home if possible. If you are sick, talk to your doctor and work things out with them. Your doctor should know who to contact in the local county or govt.
Honestly, I don't know what other plans you expect. It isn't a complicated problem. I have heard plenty of medical professionals say the same stuff in interviews. They probably have more plans that don't involve the general public.
Do you really expect them to publicize plans to isolate neighborhoods and fire bomb them from the air or use a MOAB? Air traffic controllers are probably higher on that notification list than lowly plant engineers. =D
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In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
This is following an exponential ramp up. Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so. Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.
China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures. Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
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[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Coronastoid?
Wuhan Rock?
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This is following an exponential ramp up. Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so. Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.
China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures. Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
Should I assume competence among communist decision makers?
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Should I assume competence among communist decision makers?
No, but you should assume that wouldn't give a *expletive deleted*it about the health of their population while chasing dollars.
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This is following an exponential ramp up. Cases in a region pick up an order of magnitude every 16 days or so. Don't be surprised when 1000 cases turns into 10k cases... and then 100k cases.. in the period of 4-5 weeks.
China, the worlds second largest economy, utterly crippled themselves economically implementing drastic measures. Do you really think the communists did this for an infection like the plain old flu?
So at 100K, around 4K deaths (assuming the current WHO ~4% mortality)? We'll still be well under the regular flu, and we're fast approaching the end of the flu season. We'll likely see 4000 automobile related deaths in the same time period.
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So at 100K, around 4K deaths (assuming the current WHO ~4% mortality)? We'll still be well under the regular flu, and we're fast approaching the end of the flu season. We'll likely see 4000 automobile related deaths in the same time period.
We don't really know where the inflection point is though. Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
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We don't really know where the inflection point is though. Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
It really depends on when people start taking it seriously. I see some colleges/universities have jumped to online only classes for the rest of the semester. That is likely a good idea.
From the available information (which may be wrong), the biggest issue seems to be how contagious this disease is.
There are very few people left in this country that will recall quarantines for measles and the like. This is not as communicable as the measles, but it's a very contagious disease.
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Two articles just appeared on twitchy
One :facepalm:
The other :facepalm:
CORONAVIRUS LOOPHOLE!!!!! If you don’t have insurance and can’t afford to take the $3200 test for the virus ($1000 with insurance), DONATE BLOOD. They HAVE to test you for the virus in order to donate blood. Tell your friends! Tell your family!!!!!
— una puta mala (@VL0ko) March 9, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/tweet-telling-sick-people-to-go-donate-blood-for-a-free-coronavirus-test-has-200000-likes-and-counting/
And is it really $3,200 ??
JUST IN: Three TSA officers at #SanJose Int’l Airport have tested positive for #coronavirus. TSA: “all TSA employees they have come in contact with (them) over the past 14 days are quarantined at home.” #SJC #airtravel.
Full statement: pic.twitter.com/jj7JKlRYBP
— Ian Cull (@NBCian) March 11, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/3-tsa-officers-at-san-jose-international-airport-test-positive-for-covid-19/
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The problem keeps coming back to testing. Unless people know they are infected they won't self quarantine, certainly not for multiple weeks. If infected people aren't quarantining then it continues to spread too rapidly and eventually we end up like Italy.
A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus.
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On a local forum guy posted that his wife was sick and he took her to the hospital where they told him they had no beds available. They're only reporting two C19 cases in the entire city. Regular flu maybe or they playing down the numbers? [tinfoil]
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On a more humorous note :rofl:
"Hunter Biden's lawyers alerted the Arkansas judge presiding over the child support lawsuit against him that he will be unable to attend his scheduled court deposition this week, citing travel restrictions caused by the coronavirus…" – https://t.co/imINeEJZQc
— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) March 10, 2020
The judge literally told Biden's lawyer he needed to be in her courtroom tomorrow "Unless his hair is on fire".
I am pretty sure she doesn't buy this excuse.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/10/coronavirus-travel-restrictions-will-keep-hunter-biden-from-appearing-at-child-support-hearing/
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We don't really know where the inflection point is though. Could be a few more orders of magnitude on top of that.
I'll certainly agree that global reporting efforts have been horrendous. It's like monkeys typing Shakespeare.
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On testing- my company has gotten huge orders for biochemicals from a few places that are gearing up to make test kits. We are currently on semi-permanent 'voluntary' weekend overtime since last weekend. I get to volunteer, because I'm salaried. =(
On the bright side, we are about as far away from either coast as can be, so the it might be awhile before the virus reaches this far inland.
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On testing- my company has gotten huge orders for biochemicals from a few places that are gearing up to make test kits. We are currently on semi-permanent 'voluntary' weekend overtime since last weekend. I get to volunteer, because I'm salaried. =(
On the bright side, we are about as far away from either coast as can be, so the it might be awhile before the virus reaches this far inland.
On the other hand, a Missouri student flew into O'Hare from Italy and then took the train down to St. Louis... where he was then diagnosed with the Wuhan Coronavirus, meaning that at least dozens of people all across mid-state Illinois were exposed.
It just takes one.
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Flyer News
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UD students gathered in large crowds on Lowes Street in the South Student Neighborhood Tuesday night in reaction to the news that university housing would close Wednesday for most students due to the spread of the coronavirus.
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Multiple students have reported to Flyer News that what is presumed to be tear gas was shot at students. Students were seen vomiting.
https://twitter.com/FlyerNews/status/1237597995589197824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
FFS, EVERYONE: Police in riot gear clashed with students at the Univ. of Dayton after school closed housing over coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/11/ffs-everyone-police-in-riot-gear-clashed-with-students-at-the-univ-of-dayton-after-school-closed-housing-over-coronavirus/
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In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
This, in spades.
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In the meantime, the last numbers I saw said 1000 recorded cases (people infected, not dead) of the beer flu in the US. From OCT19-FEB20, 12,000 have already died of the plain old flu in the US. Also this year has apparently had the highest child death rate seen in quite some time for the regular flu, with hundreds of child deaths already recorded.
I still say we're going to have more detrimental effects via panic, overreaction, and the MSM than by the beer flu itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
The problem with this, is it's bad information. We haven't reached full exposure of the COVID-19 virus. The flu is "in the wild" so to speak. It's a lifecycle virus that most of the world is exposed to throughout the year. We sometimes get new strains (swine flu, for example), but overall it's all out there.
COVID-19 is a brand new strain of corona virus. And we already know it's way deadlier than swine flu, which became widespread within just a year.
If we use Korea's numbers, as they have been doing the most testing, and just go off of lethality....
The flu has less than a .1% mortality rate. In SK, COVID19 is .6% so far. In a very short period of time. In Wuhan, it's north of 2%, possibly as high as 3.4%
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Low end infections in the US for the flu: 34 million, with 20,000 low end death estimates.
.6% of 34 million is 204,000.
Further, the swine flu has an R0 factor of about 1.5. This means that if you have it, you'll infect on average 1.5 people. The R0 factor of COVID19 is 2.28. So 1 person infects 3/4 of a person more than the old swine flu.
So we know it's more contagious than the flu. And has a higher mortality rate.
If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths. How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
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The problem with this, is it's bad information. We haven't reached full exposure of the COVID-19 virus. The flu is "in the wild" so to speak. It's a lifecycle virus that most of the world is exposed to throughout the year. We sometimes get new strains (swine flu, for example), but overall it's all out there.
COVID-19 is a brand new strain of corona virus. And we already know it's way deadlier than swine flu, which became widespread within just a year.
If we use Korea's numbers, as they have been doing the most testing, and just go off of lethality....
The flu has less than a .1% mortality rate. In SK, COVID19 is .6% so far. In a very short period of time. In Wuhan, it's north of 2%, possibly as high as 3.4%
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Low end infections in the US for the flu: 34 million, with 20,000 low end death estimates.
.6% of 34 million is 204,000.
Further, the swine flu has an R0 factor of about 1.5. This means that if you have it, you'll infect on average 1.5 people. The R0 factor of COVID19 is 2.28. So 1 person infects 3/4 of a person more than the old swine flu.
So we know it's more contagious than the flu. And has a higher mortality rate.
If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths. How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
Another issue: That mortality rate is affected by how effective treatment is for the serious cases. Better care means better results.
Overwhelm the ICUs with a mass of cases and the mortality rate jumps, likely explaining the higher mortality in China (beyond the third world hygiene that appears to be often the case there.)
The fewer people that get infected, the better care those with serious cases can get.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096603/Drunk-man-strips-underpants-subway-station-bites-anti-coronavirus-officers.html
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096603/Drunk-man-strips-underpants-subway-station-bites-anti-coronavirus-officers.html
That raises an interesting thought.
I don't know if China is among them, but many other countries have an amount of public drunkenness that is nearly unimaginable to people in this country.
That can't help in preventing transmission of a contagious disease.
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If you've only exposed a few million people to COVID-19, you're not going to have that many overall deaths. How many billions have been exposed to the flu this year?
Please don't any of you take this as heartless, but I'm just trying to put this in perspective to all the apocalypse preps going on right now and the MSM 24/7 stuff.
Lets say every person in the US got infected. That would, at the current worst case 4% mortality number, mean ~1.2 million deaths. So what? That's 24,000 (just a simple "divide by 50" average) deaths per state. Absolutely it's a significant number, and absolutely it would suck for the dead and their families. Again, don't take it as heartless, but I'm just looking at unemotional numbers, because:
The average annual death rate in the US is ~3 million people. So at 100% exposure to the virus, absolute worst case scenario (again, simple numbers without taking age ratios into account), the annual US death rate would go from 3 million to 4 million. If we look at 1/3 of the US population contracting it with a 2% mortality rate (still a worst case, but more realistic pandemic numbers), ~400K deaths. So 3.4 million annual deaths instead of 3 million.
What is more likely to happen is that maybe 10% of the US population gets it (this is about how many get the regular flu). Worst case 4% mortality and we're down to 136K deaths. At 2% mortality, 68K deaths. That barely registers at the annual 3 million deaths number.
People are going to suffer, and people are going to die, but it's not end times due to the virus. We approach end times and stock market crashes from the overreaction to the virus. JMO.
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People are going to suffer, and people are going to die, but it's not end times due to the virus. We approach end times and stock market crashes from the overreaction to the virus. JMO.
That I agree with. There are plenty of things we already could compare it to that we do willingly that are deadly af. Obesity related illness deaths in the US are 300k+ a year. Over 30% of the population is considered obese.
This thing is nasty. We should have been ahead of the testing, because snuffing out pandemics is actually a sensible use of government.
Us individuals should be prepared for issues like quarantines, and be smart about our interactions.
But it's not going to be madmax out there in six months. Nobody's making guzzoline runs next year.
Stock market was a mixture of factors. China shut down their economy to stop this thing. Saudi Arabia is having an oil war with Russia. And then, when COVID-19 hit the US....the President's tweets and comments were out of step with what his taskforce and the CDC had to say on it.
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Us individuals should be prepared for issues like quarantines, and be smart about our interactions.
George Carlin has the perfect quote for this:
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that
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I wonder if this will actually have any affect on my companies policy of "Don't come to work sick" (but if you take off for being sick we will find some way to *expletive deleted*ck you).
About 20 years ago I worked for a manager that operated like that, He actually told me the reason I lost out on 1% of my annual raise was because I took off half a day sick, one time during the year. Next time I had a raging case of deathfluplague I made sure I went to work and spent as much time as possible around him. He got sick as hell and spent 3 days in the hospital over it. I laughed.
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Ah, the "you have sick days, but you can't use them" employment strategy.
Read a thing on Reddit where the owner of a small business was a complete ass about things like this. Wanted employees to come to work dead, basically.
He gets a raging case of some really nasty bug, comes to work long enough to infect about half of his staff, then goes out sick for a couple of days. Owner, so it's fine.
His infected staff goes out sick with the same thing.
Everyone gets back, and he goes on an absolute rampage, screaming about dedication and responsibilities, etc., and how everyone who took off sick would be losing their bonuses or whatnot.
Within a week, over half the staff quit and the business ended up tanking.
True or not, who knows. But I have no doubt that things like it have happened.
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Lets say every person in the US got infected. That would, at the current worst case 4% mortality number, mean ~1.2 million deaths. So what? That's 24,000 (just a simple "divide by 50" average) deaths per state. Absolutely it's a significant number, and absolutely it would suck for the dead and their families. Again, don't take it as heartless, but I'm just looking at unemotional numbers, because:
Ur maths r rong.
300 million people, 4% mortality, comes out to 12 million dead. 240,000 per state.
It'd attack urbanized zones disproportionately though.
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Ur maths r rong.
300 million people, 4% mortality, comes out to 12 million dead. 240,000 per state.
It'd attack urbanized zones disproportionately though.
Yikes, yes. I grabbed an old calculator that doesn't go to nine digits and didn't doublecheck with my brain. "Mike Bloomberg could give every person in the US a million dollars!" :laugh:
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But it's not going to be madmax out there in six months. Nobody's making guzzoline runs next year.
Buzzkill . . . . ;/
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To be clear, I used South Korea's .6% number. Italy has a 5% mortality rate, likely contributed to by their aging population. They have a much higher average of population over 40 than the rest of the world.
Italy's average mortality age from COVID19 is 81.
We'd probably be north of Korea's number, because Americans are fat and sick.
Oh, and breaking news. The WHO just declared it a pandemic.
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Buzzkill . . . . ;/
When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was. That made me laugh. I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
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When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was. That made me laugh. I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
I went and converted $600 into an augmentary grocery run. A week to 10 days worth of lots of fresh foods, and then about a month's worth of longer shelf life stuff. We were low on rice and pasta sauce and canned foods anyways. And made sure we had all the "Oh, I gotta run out for..." crap. Chicken feed, dog food, garbage bags, cleaning supplies, etc. None of it is prepper stuff, just stuff to minimize our need to interact unnecessarily. It'll all get used whether it's TIKIWIKI or not.
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To be clear, I used South Korea's .6% number. Italy has a 5% mortality rate, likely contributed to by their aging population. They have a much higher average of population over 40 than the rest of the world.
Italy's average mortality age from COVID19 is 81.
Also, No other country has tested as high a percentage of their population as South Korea has, so their number is probably closer to reality. Italy hasn't tested anywhere near as much, only people who show up with enough symptoms, so the CFR is much higher.
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I'm sort of glad that I got ahead of this one supplies wise.
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I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
These continue (and will increase) to be valid concerns. We have zero reported cases in this state, but I'm still looking at skipping unnecessary trips to crowded places. I'm already not doing my few times a month downtown Boise beer and burger lunches and just cooking at home. Also more trips to the local grocery instead of Costco. I may not think it's the Racoon City virus, but I still don't want to catch the damn thing. :)
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When I told the wife I was watching this a few weeks ago, she asked how our ammunition stock was. That made me laugh. I'm more worried about food, because of supply disruptions and also I'd rather start limiting my trips to the store for the next few weeks to limit exposure risk. Or if we get *expletive deleted*ing quarantined. One of my coworkers is sick. She took monday off but came in yesterday...
Did you pass up a free pass to buy ammo?
I already bought some 9mm this month which I needed anyway.
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I wonder if this will actually have any affect on my companies policy of "Don't come to work sick" (but if you take off for being sick we will find some way to *expletive deleted*ck you).
About 20 years ago I worked for a manager that operated like that, He actually told me the reason I lost out on 1% of my annual raise was because I took off half a day sick, one time during the year. Next time I had a raging case of deathfluplague I made sure I went to work and spent as much time as possible around him. He got sick as hell and spent 3 days in the hospital over it. I laughed.
Good point, and I think that's the flaw in the corporate responses I've seen reported so far. Companies are telling workers not to come in if they feel sick or think they may have the coronavirus ... but then they go on to say that the time off will be handled in accordance with standard absence policies. I suspect that a lot of Americans use up most or all of their annual sick time at the end of each year because it doesn't carry over, so this early in the year most people aren't going to have two weeks of sick time available -- if they ever might. Many may not even have two weeks of vacation available and, if they did, they'd be reluctant to "waste" it on being sick. So I think a lot of people are going to ignore the advice and come to work anyway, because they need the paycheck.
If the Democrats are really the workers' party, why hasn't the House proposed emergency funding to pay people who stay home and self-quarantine? Set it up like short-term unemployment compensation or something.
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I wonder if this will be covered under the FMLA:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla
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If the Democrats are really the workers' party, why hasn't the House proposed emergency funding to pay people who stay home and self-quarantine? Set it up like short-term unemployment compensation or something.
House Democrats are moving ahead with their own economic package that includes paid sick leave for certain workers, extra funding for children’s school lunches, expanded unemployment insurance, and increased spending on social safety-net programs.
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It was only a matter of time
The World Health Organization on Wednesday declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic.
Coronavirus declared global pandemic; US deaths at 31
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/11/us-states-race-contain-coronavirus-cases-near/
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https://khn.org/news/surging-health-care-worker-quarantines-raise-concerns-as-coronavirus-spreads/
We are already pondering the 14 day self-quarantine for exposed healthcare workers with no symptoms. If this continues, we will run out of hospital and clinic staff in short order. Hopefully testing will become more available, and we can return people to work ASAP once the test comes back negative.
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Over 400 cases confirmed here in Sweden right now, no deaths reported so far. I should probably buy some more pasta and canned foods tomorrow.
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Over 400 cases confirmed here in Sweden right now, no deaths reported so far. I should probably buy some more pasta and canned foods tomorrow.
That is actually a good thing IMO, the more cases reported with less mortality the mortality rate goes down, people quit running around waving their arms like their hair is on fire and COVID-19 becomes part of the landscape like H1N1 (Swine Flu). But until then let chaos and panic rein!! :facepalm:
bob
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https://khn.org/news/surging-health-care-worker-quarantines-raise-concerns-as-coronavirus-spreads/
We are already pondering the 14 day self-quarantine for exposed healthcare workers with no symptoms. If this continues, we will run out of hospital and clinic staff in short order. Hopefully testing will become more available, and we can return people to work ASAP once the test comes back negative.
Had this exact discussion at work. If we get exposed, are they just going to quarantine all of us? How TF does that work...my facility works IAD/DCA/BWI approach control all from the same room...
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Had this exact discussion at work. If we get exposed, are they just going to quarantine all of us? How TF does that work...my facility works IAD/DCA/BWI approach control all from the same room...
Sounds like either nobody gets sick or you all get sick, not much wiggle room there.
bob
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This just in: the Seattle school district, the largest in the state, is closing all schools for at least two weeks starting tomorrow.
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This just in: the Seattle school district, the largest in the state, is closing all schools for at least two weeks starting tomorrow.
How much of this two week closure is part of spring break?
bob
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How much of this two week closure is part of spring break?
None according to this:
April 12 – 16 Spring break (no school)
https://www.seattleschools.org/district/calendars/news/what_s_new/coronavirus_update
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https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-cancels-general-election-to-stymie-coronavirus
Trump Cancels 2020 Election Over Coronavirus Concerns
Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders also seemed very relieved by the announcement, as they’re both very tired and worried about getting sick. Sanders was especially happy, telling the press, “You know, for a few moments there, it really seemed like I might win, and I didn’t know what was going to happen if people actually expected me to follow through on all that free stuff.” Sanders is now deciding in which of his three houses to self-quarantine.
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This is going to be weird
All men's and women's NCAA Tournament games will be played without fans when it begins next week, the organization announced Wednesday.
Only "essential staff and limited family" will be in attendance," Emmert said.
NCAA tournament games to be played without fans
https://www.wdrb.com/news/ncaa-tournament-games-to-be-played-without-fans/article_2baed2dc-63d6-11ea-ac9c-0b20a00ee325.html
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https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-cancels-general-election-to-stymie-coronavirus
Trump Cancels 2020 Election Over Coronavirus Concerns
That is high on the reddit conspiracy list. I giggle because the right swore up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
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That is high on the reddit conspiracy list. I giggle because the right swore up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
I heard that with Obama as well. The birther thing had more legs than that.
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That is high on the reddit conspiracy list. I giggle because the right swore up and down Obama was going to find a way to do the same.
Reagan was accused of that plan, as well as Clinton Bush W and Obama. Nothing new here
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The City of Houston has canceled the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. =(
https://www.rodeohouston.com/2020
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That's millions of dollars affected.
2019: 800 scholarships of over $12M; more than $27M of .gov money.
https://www.axs.com/5-things-you-didn-t-know-about-houston-livestock-show-and-rodeo-135991
Ouch.
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Trump is on TV right now. Said something about shutting off Europe. Anyone catch that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7KCyRxOoJw
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Yep.
"We will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into efect Friday at midnight."
"These restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."
Holy *expletive deleted*it.
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Trump is throwing a ton of money at the problem and economy.
- Got insurance companies to wave co-pays for Covid-19 treatments
- SBA to loan up to $50 billion
- Defer IRS tax payments for certain people/businesses
- Asking for immediate payroll tax relief
https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-us-travel-restrictions-countries
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Yeah saw the speech. My jaw dropped when he talked about Europe.
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Yep.
"We will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into efect Friday at midnight."
"These restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."
Holy *expletive deleted*it.
I'm trying to remember, how long were airliners grounded after 9-11? I keep thinking one week.
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I wonder if there is more to the Europe thing, as in Trump giving the EU the finger. At any rate, I approve,
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Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
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I'm in middle Ohio. There are four confirmed cases in the state. Governor has banned events with more than 150 people present. Sporting events with reduced or eliminated spectators. Lots of local events being cancelled. A run on grocery stores for essentials... WalMart near me was out of TP, peanut butter and bread per friends. Irony is that Target I stopped by had all of that in good supply, so I picked up some of each for that friend... got 100 rounds of .357 in trade, so all is good. (He didn't need the items, but his elderly mother did. He's well stocked, which is how he could give me ammo without blinking.).
This is getting real, either the panic of the illness will get people killed
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They're currently in Australia
Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson say they've tested positive with coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-coronavirus
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Denmark just closed all schools for two weeks. Also, all public sector employees with non-critical jobs are sent home starting Friday. They also reported 252 new confirmed cases in a single day.
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Trump is on TV right now.
Didn't hear much about testing. =(
It's difficult to calibrate a proper response without proper testing.
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Didn't hear much about testing. =(
It's difficult to calibrate a proper response without proper testing.
It's now pandemic, who cares.
I'm assuming it's going around, and if I get pneumonia to the point I can't breath, it's probably Kung Flu. At which point everyone else will have it and testing won't matter.
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https://twitter.com/JonahDispatch/status/1237916287554248704
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NBA suspends season until further notice after player tests positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nba-suspends-season-until-further-notice-over-coronavirus
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I went by the local HEB grocery to pick up some fresh apples and oranges. The toilet paper was gone. Hand sanitizer was gone also. Bar soap they had plenty. Most everything else was in good supply also. I might have to check in a few days and see if they get more.
Thankfully, I have plenty. I was just checking.
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Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
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Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.
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Both (as of last check) of Oklahoma's confirmed cases had traveled from Italy.
Spoke too soon, we got 3 now with the NBA Utah Jazz player testing positive.
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Great; I've got about 8 people here from France at the moment for 2 weeks. One got turned away at JFK and sent back, but we didn't know why at the time. Now, we need to decide whether to send them back in 2 weeks, or park them here because we don't know when or who will be able to come later. They aren't going to like it.
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I have to take a certain number of hours of in-service training every three-year cycle to keep up my license as a building inspector. My cycle comes up in June of this year. I don't have the hours I need yet. The state has plenty of classes scheduled between now and June, so I wasn't worried ... until today.
Today the state sent out an e-mail blast that classes are cancelled for two weeks, starting on Monday. After that, they'll evaluate and possibly cancel another two weeks. At the rate this thing is spreading, my guess is that there won't be any more classes this cycle. I hit a class tonight, which gives me another 3 hours. I guess I'll have to make up the rest with on-line seminars and quizzes. (Which I hate.)
A friend of mine works in the IT department of the biggest hospital in the area. He just told me that they are now telling ALL support personnel who aren't directly, physically involved in running the hospital to stay home and telecommute. He said that means his IT department is looking at signing up (and supporting) 7,000 additional users. The good news for him is that the IT office is remote from the hospital campus ... but he has to go in, he can't effectively telecommute for his job.
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Ohio has its first community spread case of COVID-19.
The state says the male patient from Stark County in northeastern Ohio is in his 50s and is currently hospitalized. The patient has not traveled recently and didn't have contact with anyone else with coronavirus.
https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-confirms-first-coronavirus-cases-continues-testing-2020-mar (https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-confirms-first-coronavirus-cases-continues-testing-2020-mar)
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NBA suspended all games.
I suspect the reason there isn't more of a push for widespread testing is because they don't want to induce more panic and paralyze society.
There wasn't enough time to get enough tests to get in front of this. Locking down areas that get hot is probably where this heading.
We most likely have many times more infections than publicly admitted. It's a bad bug but probably not the apocalyptic end the doom and gloomers are convinced has been unleashed.
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Large school district here in Northern Virginia has shut down through the end of next week.
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3-4 new confirmed cases in different areas of WI last night.
We had a company town hall meeting on covid-19 yesterday. There were any specifics, but corporate-wide, there are going to be forms that have to be filled out and for approval of all site visits or outside contractors coming in. The Corporation also has contingency plans for when employees become sick. It came down to "if you are sick, get checked out and stay home, report to your manager and it will go up the chain to the top and you'll be taken care of"
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Many of those infected here came from Italy as well. And our government even chartered a plane to bring home a bunch of people from Italy...and then just let everyone leave once the plane touched down, because this country is *expletive deleted*ing inept.
We just let people come back from Italy after their outbreak went off, without screening them at all. Government is inept, period.
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No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P :laugh:
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No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P :laugh:
They're there, just not tested yet.
CDC has finally admitted that some of the flu deaths they're counting for the year likely died from COVID.
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They're there, just not tested yet.
CDC has finally admitted that some of the flu deaths they're counting for the year likely died from COVID.
I should have said reported cases.
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I should have said reported cases.
You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
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You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
Rednecks rule, dude. :laugh:
https://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk
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Here in Ground Zero of Seattle, we still don't have enough test kits, so the Health Department is rationing them out.
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I was supposed to go see Itzhak Perlman play tonight (my wife's Christmas present to me) but it's been cancelled. It's a small thing, but I've been trying to see him for about 3 years, and I'm pretty bummed.
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You're in good company. No cases in WV either.... :P
So.... Meth stops corona virus?
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Some interesting math, telling an interesting story. I I especially like the China bar graph with the gray and yellow retrospective known vs. actual cases.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
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So.... Meth stops corona virus?
Keep it quiet, but I heard toilet paper prevents corona virus. That is why it is being bought up. Don't spread it around though. [tinfoil]
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I think I've found a beer virus business opportunity. I have come up with a device to keep people from touching their faces (and licking their balls):
(https://www.mvtimes.com/mvt/uploads/2017/10/Cone-head_Reni_-_dog_in_Elizabethan_collar.jpg)
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I think I've found a beer virus business opportunity. I have come up with a device to keep people from touching their faces (and licking their balls):
(https://www.mvtimes.com/mvt/uploads/2017/10/Cone-head_Reni_-_dog_in_Elizabethan_collar.jpg)
Just so long as someone else can lick my balls.
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No cases in Idaho yet, though it looks like zahc's company is looking to screw that up. :P :laugh:
Not just my company. You know that approximately everyone at Micron is Asian, of all flavors. During Chinese new year it was like a ghost town as everyone went back to visit family. So my 8 French people are a drop in the bucket.
Trump suspended travel from all of EU because the Schengen agreement means just blocking Italy is nonsense since you can just walk across the border to another country and fly out without a passport Visa trail to identify your travel history. It's still a crude move, but what else can you do. People might criticize EU for that, but US is even worse. If we wanted to shut down the ID border, we have literally no legal or practical way to do it.
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Coworker just came in. She stopped at a local grocery on her way to the office to grab a few things... people were panic buying. Took her two hours to get her stuff and get out of the store.
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Coworker just came in. She stopped at a local grocery on her way to the office to grab a few things... people were panic buying. Took her two hours to get her stuff and get out of the store.
Not shocked.
It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
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It's still a crude move, but what else can you do.
Until we're up to speed on testing, people are going to over-react.
"Without testing, you have no idea how extensive the infection is. You can't isolate people. You can't do anything," he says. "And so then we're left with a completely different set of choices. We have to shut schools, events and everything down, because that's the only tool available to us until we get testing back up. It's been stunning to me how bad the federal response has been."
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I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.
I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
I also realized last night that I'm almost out of coffee, and for me, that IS a panic situation. If I don't have my morning coffee I tend to rampage through the streets like Godzilla.
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Not shocked.
It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
Yup.
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...aaaaaand Texas Tech just canceled classes the week after Spring Break. After that, it's online instruction only until further notice.
Brad
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I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.
I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
I also realized last night that I'm almost out of coffee, and for me, that IS a panic situation. If I don't have my morning coffee I tend to rampage through the streets like Godzilla.
Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
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Not hearing anything about India, If there's any place I would expect something C19 to be like a bull in a China shop it would be India.
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Not hearing anything about India, If there's any place I would expect something C19 to be like a bull in a China shop it would be India.
I highly doubt they're testing in high numbers. We'll hear in a few months about a huge death toll there I bet. Most of India is third world shithole.
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Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
.....SOOOOOO people were just told there's a (somewhat) scary disease that necessitate social distancing...
And they all packed into a store with hundreds of strangers who have been who knows where.
Good job, herd.
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Of note, I tried the "keep 6 feet away from others" in the store the other day. It's really hard to do when no one else practices it.
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Of note, I tried the "keep 6 feet away from others" in the store the other day. It's really hard to do when no one else practices it.
Just do a lot of coughing....
Modern problems, meet modern solutions.
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.....SOOOOOO people were just told there's a (somewhat) scary disease that necessitate social distancing...
And they all packed into a store with hundreds of strangers who have been who knows where.
Good job, herd.
People don't plan ahead. That whole 3 days of food in the house thing is real for most people.
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Not shocked.
It was only a matter of time. That's going to spread faster than corona.
The time to prep was 3 weeks years ago.
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Just do a lot of coughing....
Modern problems, meet modern solutions.
*cough* *cough* *cough* [muttering under breath] I haven't felt right since I returned from China.
bob
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The time to prep was 3 weeks years ago.
Months would have worked just fine if you jumped on it.
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Over 12000 infected in Italy and 800 dead. Also, first confirmed death in Sweden now. Also, all public gatherings of more than 500 people are now prohibited here in Sweden.
If gatherings like this are prohibited, then the act of drafting and approving legislation also needs to be prohibited.
I'm concerned over lawmakers here in the US getting uppity and drafting something that affects critical rights at a time when protesting will get people thrown in prison for violating State of Emergency orders.
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With just a little planning, you can order your groceries online and have them loaded into your car and never have to interact with anyone in person.
Use the available technology, people! (And, no, I'm not talking to the people on this forum who I'm sure have already taken precautions.)
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Friend of ours just tried to get into the Manassas costco. She said it looks like Black Friday. Parking lot completely full, police directing traffic, and a long line just to get in the store.
I am REALLY glad that I started replenishing supplies a couple of weeks ago. I just had a funny feeling that this one was going to get interesting. I should have laid in a few more things, but I have enough to get me through at least 2 weeks in style, and 2 more weeks after that if I I'm inventive.
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With just a little planning, you can order your groceries online and have them loaded into your car and never have to interact with anyone in person.
We started doing this about a month ago, not for social distancing but just for the convenience.
At our Kroger owned grocery store it's a $5 service which is worth it for us at the moment.
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Made a run to the local grocery store this morning for a few odds and ends. Nothing out of the ordinary to mention and no indications of any panic buying. I did pick up another extra big package of TP but other than that I'm good for a couple of weeks.
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Reports that the President will likely sign a disaster declaration today or soon thereafter.
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Reports that the President will likely sign a disaster declaration today or soon thereafter.
It's about the only thing he can do to stay ahead of this thing politically and salvage any chance he has for reelection come November.
The MSM and Democrat party (is that redundant?) will continue to pound the narrative that the CV is all Trump's fault. Couple that with how the economy will contract significantly over the next several months, and Trump has an major uphill battle ahead of him to remain in the White House.
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It's about the only thing he can do to stay ahead of this thing politically and salvage any chance he has for reelection come November.
This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.
When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus! are going to be forgotten/ignored.
The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.
But not much better.
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This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.
When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus! are going to be forgotten/ignored.
The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.
But not much better.
It took them 2 months and a total lockdown to get there....
The democrats will use this as a rally cry for universal medicare, though.
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This whole virus thing will blow over in a couple of weeks. The number of new infections is dropping dramatically in Asia.
When things start to finally right themselves mid to late spring the markets are going to go a helling back up and most of the sheep who are screaming right now about Orangemanvirus! are going to be forgotten/ignored.
The American voter tends to have a better memory than a gold fish.
But not much better.
From your mouth keyboard to God's ears. However, I am not as sanguine about it. I think we're in for a prolonged negative economic impact from all this CV foolishness tanking the market.
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I am also not optimistic for a particularly quick economic recovery.
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From your mouth keyboard to God's ears. However, I am not as sanguine about it. I think we're in for a prolonged negative economic impact from all this CV foolishness tanking the market.
I'm actually thinking (sympathy for those who contract it aside) that this is actually pretty good timing for it politically for Trump. AFAIK, most viruses reduce dramatically in the Summer, and as it fades from the news cycle, the bigger the drop in stocks now, the greater the rise in Summer/Fall. That (almost natural) rebound will only help Trump's PR.
Though it will be close with the stock market. 2nd quarter results might not look great. Third quarter should look much better, but it's cutting it close to the election.
Come this Fall, people will be thinking about the beer virus as much as they're currently thinking about the trouble in Hong Kong.
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I never said that this is going to turn around in 3.7 seconds of Corona being declared vanquished and everything will be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.
Of course there are going to be long-term, slow to heal repercussions from this.
But this mess is fundamentally different from the origins of the Great Recession, and the recovery from it is going to be dramatically different, too.
Right now the genesis for most market selling is to get money into more secure commodities, such as gold. That's why the price has risen significantly over the last quarter.
Another driver in this mess right now is the burgeoning oil war kicking off between Russia and Saudia Arabia. That's adding a huge amount of market instability. That's not going to last forever, either. That one I suspect will have longer legs, but what it will do make more money available for the average person because the price of gasoline and products moved with oil-based fuel is likely going to start dropping.
Unless Corona turns into Spanish Flu and becomes a LOT more deadly than it is, we're going to be into a very nice recovery cycle leading right upto the 2020 election.
Could I be wrong about this? Of course I could be. But until I see a lot more bad in what's happening right now, I'm not going to be going full Howler Monkey of Doom any time soon.
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I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty convinced it's going to be 2-3 months of rough going in the US followed by a full blown recession cycle.
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"Come this Fall, people will be thinking about the beer virus as much as they're currently thinking about the trouble in Hong Kong."
Or Venezuela.
Unless, of course, the media decides to rediaper that baby for it's front pages. 6 months ago Venezuela was all over the news. Now nothing.
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I am also not optimistic for a particularly quick economic recovery.
In my non-expert opinion, the CV triggered an overdue correction in the market. However, the "correction" has now fallen into true bear market territory, and this bear market will last quite a while. If the economy follows the market, as it often does, I'm guessing we will see at least 7.5% unemployment come election time. If that happens, Trump will be a one term president.
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I think we have a long ways to go yet down... but once the virus runs its course, which will take months, the markets will rocket upward.
We are a long ways away from that. 24/7 news cycle is going to be putting out a lot of bad news.
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I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty convinced it's going to be 2-3 months of rough going in the US followed by a full blown recession cycle.
Can't you just shake some IDLife on the economy and return it to hale and hearty health in a matter of days? :rofl:
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Right now the genesis for most market selling is to get money into more secure commodities, such as gold. That's why the price has risen significantly over the last quarter.
Gold is getting hammered on down market down days. the opposite dynamic is going on- people/institutions are liquidating gold positions to cover their margin losses.
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OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gold is lower today than it was in the last week of february. Down 3.6% today, in fact.
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OMG! YOU MEAN GOLD PRICES FLUCTUATES TOO!
WHO THE HELL KNEW?
:rofl: :rofl:
Gold is still nicely up for the quarter, and my guess will remain up for the next quarter, as well.
The movements in the gold market are a bit unusual, but there not, by any stretch of the imagination, unprecedented, nor are they indicative of the end of civilization as the Howler Monkeys know it...
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OMG! YOU MEAN GOLD PRICES FLUCTUATES TOO!
WHO THE HELL KNEW?
:rofl: :rofl:
yes, just like retirement portfolios...
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OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
We need someone to offset our doom and gloom, Mike. Might as well be you. :-*
I hope by this time next year I have enjoyed a big helping of crow for dinner, and we are all celebrating Trump's election to a second term, the House in firm Republican hands, and the Senate with a couple more conservatives in place. But I am not going to run out right now to lay in some appropriate condiments for boneless breast of crow.
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I don't think it's DOOM, I just don't think the timing is good to help Trump in the election.
Things will get back to normal and the markets will recover but not that quickly.
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We need someone to offset our doom and gloom, Mike. Might as well be you. :-*
I hope by this time next year I have enjoyed a big helping of crow for dinner, and we are all celebrating Trump's election to a second term, the House in firm Republican hands, and the Senate with a couple more conservatives in place.
I don't think Trump is going to lose. Election day is still a long ways off, and there is plenty of time for the country to get through the pandemic and start recovery. Other than him trying to save the markets for a week instead of rallying around the idea of fighting COVID-19, none of the problems we have right now are his fault. I can't even imagine the disaster we would have on our hands if bernie or joe took the reigns right now.
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I can't even imagine the disaster we would have on our hands if bernie or joe took the reigns right now.
My guess would be wait too long and then jackboot it up.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
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I don't think it's DOOM, I just don't think the timing is good to help Trump in the election.
Things will get back to normal and the markets will recover but not that quickly.
I am thinking along those lines as well. I think whatever will happen with this virus is going to happen this Spring. This election is still a ways away. We haven't even seen the Bernie Army in action yet.
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We're 8 months from the election.
In a presidential election cycle that might as well be 8,774 PZA*
If this were happening 4 months from now? Yeah, then I'd be nervous. But right now. No, I'm not nervous.
*Post Zombie Apocalypse
Oh, and let's face it.
Trump isn't helping Trump in the election, for *expletive deleted*ck's sake. Someone needs to take his phone away and give him abacus, or a pocket calculator, or something other than a phone.
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Trump isn't helping Trump in the election, for *expletive deleted*ck's sake. Someone needs to take his phone away and give him abacus, or a pocket calculator, or something other than a phone.
I don't know what you're talking about :P
(https://i.imgur.com/eqNfwkV.png)
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Besides, we hope The Boys season 2 will be out by then and everyone will forget all this stuff. =D
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OK...
So looks like we have a nice Howler Monkey of Doom chorus here.
Sing us a song, boys.... Sing DOOM! I like that one. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah in 10 years my TSP will be nice and fat since I'll be buying in low for the next few years
Hows that for good news?
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Yeah in 10 years my TSP will be nice and fat since I'll be buying in low for the next few years
Hows that for good news?
With Biden as President for the next 8 years?
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Just got back from the local grocery store where I picked up my lunch at the Corona bar.
Traffic was a bit heavier than most days at this time, but nothing that I'd consider to be out of the ordinary. The shelves seemed to be stocked, but I didn't check out the toilet paper aisle.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/…/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/…
An interesting article showing how Italy is having to make decisions on who gets care when you have a finite supply of healthcare beds, technology and staff. I wonder if we will come to that here. This reminds me of the early days of kidney dialysis: there were limited numbers of machines and local hospital committees of medical and laypeople decided who received dialysis and who did not, and people lived or died by those decisions.
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Traffic was a bit heavier than most days at this time, but nothing that I'd consider to be out of the ordinary. The shelves seemed to be stocked, but I didn't check out the toilet paper aisle.
Same at my store an hour ago, except that the TP, sanitizer, and rubbing alcohol were completely empty. The cold/flu medicine and hydrogen peroxide were nearly empty.
I stopped in Staples for some office stuff. They were fully stocked on TP. I didn't check the sanitizer.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/…/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/…
An interesting article showing how Italy is having to make decisions on who gets care when you have a finite supply of healthcare beds, technology and staff. I wonder if we will come to that here. This reminds me of the early days of kidney dialysis: there were limited numbers of machines and local hospital committees of medical and laypeople decided who received dialysis and who did not, and people lived or died by those decisions.
Swine Flu: 60 million infected. 300,000 hospitalized. Does anyone even remember it?
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NHL just announced that it's suspending the season.
And, stock markets are off their lows after a $1 trillion Fed package designed to ease strain on capital markets.
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And, stock markets are off their lows after a $1 trillion Fed package designed to ease strain on capital markets.
That was a really quick pump, then it fell again.... I'm really interested in seeing the last hour of trading today and tomorrow, that could indicate where things are going to go. I cashed out and took my gains when the S&P popped by the first percent. Sitting on the sidelines now.
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Decided to stop by Sam's Club to buy cat food since they have it on sale ($3 off per bag). Holy Moly the place was packed.
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:facepalm:
I cannot make sense of this. Is he deliberately crashing the American economy and dividing us from Europe? If so, is this Putin's work, yet again? A final gift as Trump loses control of the country?
— Heather Cox Richardson (TDPR) (@HC_Richardson) March 12, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/things-a-crazy-person-would-say-blue-check-professor-accuses-trump-of-doing-putins-work-with-coronavirus-travel-ban/
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"That was a really quick pump, then it fell again...."
yep... that I did not expect... I expected a bit more moderated response, not a return to panicky rabbit running from a fox...
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/great-coronavirus-war-stay-calm-rational-easily-defeat-enemy/
The Great Coronavirus War Is upon Us
I haven't read much of it yet. Starts out as a clever view of things.
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I'm way behind on following this thread.
Yesterday, the Illinois State Rifle Associations annual lobby day at the beginning of April was cancelled. Usually attracts thousands. Tentatively rescheduled for middle of May.
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My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.
Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
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How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
Have you seriously never dealt with a bureaucracy before?
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And the Supreme Court just closed to the public until further notice.
Cue all of the 'tarded left screeching about how this is the start of the Trump Takeover...
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My erstwhile employer has instituted a ban on non-essential travel. I'll have to re-read the policy, but it even covers personal travel.
Meanwhile, I dunno who to believe. I have bookmarked two maps, one from the CDC and one from ... some other source. CDC says NY state has 217 confirmed cases; the other map say 328. CDC says Montana has "1 to 5" cases. The other map says zero.
How the [bleep] can they fight it is they can't even agree on where it is?
Read the medium article linked in post 634. It actually lays out pretty nicely why real cases lags behind reported cases, and while it's easy to know in hindsight how many cases there were, how many there are in any present is a much harder target.
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That medium article was good, but even common sense dictates that very few coronavirus cases will be reported, versus the actual count of infections.
Most people don't go to the doctor for the flu unless they actually need help getting over it. And coronavirus has flu-like symptoms and a low mortality rate. Yeah, it's 5-10x higher than a typical flu, but it's still pretty low.
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The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
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My 8-year old son asked “How can we hope to control this pandemic when Trump’s xenophobic science denial is clearly to blame?”
I did not know how to answer and I am literally shaking.
— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) March 12, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/12/omg-hes-literally-shaking-kurt-schlichter-takes-the-woke-kid-story-to-a-whole-new-level-and-makes-media-look-even-dumber/
Sure he did wink wink
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The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
I don't think it's as bad as all that. Yes they are pushing that narrative and will as long as our numbers of sick are rising, but they've got the attention span of a toddler on speed. as soon as the world doesn't end, they will move on.
We almost went to war in Jan, and most folks don't remember it. Impeachment is almost completely out of the new cycle once they lost.
They will milk this for what they can and move on.
Unless the actual sickness gets to 1918 flu numbers of sick and dead, they won't be willing to stretch it that far. They will "squirrel" to something else.
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The panic mode everyone and every organization is in right now will do more damage to the economy than the CV itself ever could.
I am beginning to think we are well and truly screwed, and the screwing can be laid at the feet of the Dem/MSM pushing the "We're all gonna die!" narrative.
They will do anything to get Trump out of office or deny him reelection, regardless of the damage it causes to the country.
Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed. I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.
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Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then. With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).
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Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
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Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
YES. (Though "Panic" is not what I'd suggest, but taking things seriously and having everyone practice "Social Distancing." I can work in my office, and be over 6 feet away from everyone else. I don't see the need to shut down my office. If your company packs its employees in like sardines, it might want to encourage at least half of them to work from home.) Make it clear WHY we are doing this- not because most people will be in danger, but because there are limits to the numbers that our medical system can handle and we have to ensure this exponentially growing disease doesn't get there. You can go from one day having plenty of space in your ICUs, (only half of all beds taken up!) to the next day being full and the next day at twice capacity. You can't shut it down once it gets that far, you have to shut it down early.
If the reports are true about the nature of this disease (how contagious it is) then we need to act now, before we get large numbers of cases and fatalities. Waiting to act until there are a bunch of dead people ensure that we will have a huge number of dead people.
We haven't fully shut down our economy, like reports out of Italy say it has. I don't want to get to the point that we have to shut everything down to keep our medical system from getting overwhelmed like it is/was in China, Italy, and Iran.
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Silly question, DittoHead.
Do you think we should be in such a serious panic here in the US given the much lower number of cases and fatalities we have experienced (and likely will experience) versus Italy?
We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.
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Dogmush, it isn't the CV panic itself that will deny Trump reelection, it's the economic damage (likely a serious recession) resulting from the panic that will cause him lose.
The whole CV thing will be over and done with by May in my opinion, but the economic recovery will not start until mid-2021, if even then. With Democrats in charge, all bets will be off once they jack corporate tax rates back up to their original 35% (hopefully that's all the farther they will go).
Perhaps. I don't think it'll take that long to start going up, but it will take a while to fully recover.
Don't forget though, we still have to get a Dem candidate, and run an election with whatever shattered remains of the party come out of the convention. Some of the Bernie supporters will revolt, Biden will forget that wisconson exists. I legitimately am unwilling to call this election either way.
I don't think the economic damage is that lasting. It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.
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I don't think the economic damage is that lasting. It's mostly panic driven, and will fade quickly as the panic does.
Yep. SOME of the decline is warranted, as companies have to deal with a new risk to their supply chains that was not priced in before. (Because everyone just whistled past the dangers of "just in time" inventories and relying on a single, adversarial country for most materials/goods.)
Hopefully companies will learn a lesson and diversify, strengthen, and shorten supply chains, but given the short-sighted nature of most CEOs, I'm not sanguine on that.
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And OH Governor has ordered that all OH Schools (Public, Private, and Charter) will close after Monday March 16 and tentatively reopen April 6th.
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All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.
PS: this will effect 563,000 kids
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We have a low number of confirmed cases because we don't have the capacity to test more.
I think certain parts of the US are where Italy was a week or two ago. The way to avoid becoming Italy is to take measures now, if it's not too late. As far as serious panic - it depends what you mean? Hoarding masks, TP, & bottled water is stupid and unhelpful.
Closing off travel from the EU isn't a bad move, but it's too late to make a big difference.
Cancelling large events, closing schools or going online, having as many people work from home are all smart choices right now.
THIS 👆
Literally the only way to take a pandemic and turn it into a nothing burger is snuff it the *expletive deleted*ck out. If we let this spread wild, it will be as bad as the 1919 pandemic.
Exponential caseloads overwhelming hospitals while cases are still on the rise....
Nothing good comes from that.
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All K-12 public and private schools in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in Washington state must close on Monday and cannot reopen until at least April 24.
PS: this will effect 563,000 kids
So, are they thinking this will be gone in April?
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Do you think Italy is in panic mode because they hate Trump?
They might be a little older and have a few more smokers but they shut things down because they had no other way to stop the spread and their hospitals were being overwhelmed. I haven't seen a convincing argument why things will go significantly better here, especially with our lack of testing.
I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.
In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.
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Trump is toast?
It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...
or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!
Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.
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JCPS (Jefferson county aka Louisville) schools closed until 4-6
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Trump is toast?
It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...
or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!
Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.
QFT.
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My county has a two weekend festival, this week and next, 62 years running. Cancelled. This is where all the civic groups make their money for the year. Less church missions, less scholarships; no new fire trucks. Brick and mortar businesses may close for good too.
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Report from my niece in KY - the Governor has "highly recommended" that all schools, public & private, close next Monday & stay closed for at least 2 weeks.
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https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753
Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.
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I'm hoping these forecasts aren't very good/accurate.
:O
Revised GDP forecast of -2.0% annualized growth in 1Q, followed by -3.0% growth in 2Q. ... forecast assumes a fiscal response of about $500 billion. .... If the spread of virus moderates .... stage could be set for a return to growth in 3Q, when we forecast 2.5%
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https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals-health-systems/providence-st-joseph-health-offers-coronavirus-lessons-from-treating?mrkid=916753
Interesting article from the healthcare system that treated the very first US COVID 19 patient.
Thanks for posting that!
Not crazy, not partisan or political.
Just information.
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I'm hoping these forecasts aren't very good/accurate.
:O
Sounds about right, or at least it's similar to what I've been spouting. Quarter 1 still has post holiday sales and other positive stuff that will moderate the virus stuff. Quarter 2 is when I expect all the bad news from supply chains, loss of revenue because people weren't doing anything except buying toilet paper (Charmin stock should be up 10,000%), etc.
I believe quarter 3 will have very good news because people will have been out doing stuff in the Summer, flying and cruising again, and supply chains should have had a chance to get caught up. I expect the market to rally. As I said elsewhere, quarter 3 announcements will be VERY close to the election, so whether Trump gets any benefits from it, or if he gets dragged down by quarter 2, will be an interesting timing issue.
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Yup, close all the schools and then the kids will go hang out at the malls and movie theatres.
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Trump is toast?
It's obvious Biden, Hillary or M Obama would be handling this sooo much better? :facepalm: ...
or we're going to elect a Communist because of Wuhan Flu!
Honestly I think television sucks IQ points right out of the brains of people.
If Hillary had been elected the virus would have committed suicide a long time ago
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I'll admit that I didn't see "all" of Italy, and it was 30 years ago but...
As a country they have a higher average population density than the US, Their personal hygiene standards are not as high as is what I consider the US average, even accounting for scuzzy people here. Their health system is not the same as the US, they do not have the capacity we do.
They aren't a 3rd world country but they aren't far removed from it.
As for the actual 3rd world shitholes that have a high infection and death rate those places also tend to pack their people in pretty tight in their population centers and they tend to have personal hygiene standards that would make a pig cringe.
In the US the distribution has been in areas with a high population density. So far the fatalities have been very heavily skewed toward older people with previously health conditions that were in close proximity to other older people with underlying health issues.
When large numbers of nominally healthy people start croaking I'll get worried. In the meantime I will avoid large public gatherings of people, give the majority of my co-workers as wide a berth as possible, don't lick the handles on shopping carts and wash my hands regularly, so no real changes.
Also, there has been a great deal of tourism of Chinese into Italy .... and from Italy to America. That is a BIG vector.
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I'm afraid that we're going to see a lot of small Mom & Pop businesses closing - forever. There are a few around here who are just making it month to month. Cut off their income for a few weeks to a month or so and they won't be able to recover.
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We aren’t mom and pop size we are a 600 employee company a month long shutdown would hurt us badly
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Disney is closing nearly everything for the rest of March.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/business/disneyland-coronavirus.html
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My company has announced that we should work from home if at all possible, at least until the end of March. That's a big deal; a lot of the upper managers *hate* that we even can work from home effectively, and a year or so ago forced-out most of the telecommuters.
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I'm going to the local grocery store to tempt fate at the salad bar for lunch.
I'm actually sort of surprised that stores haven't started shutting their salad bars down.
Edited to add a note about the pic below. MGM Resorts in Vegas is shutting down buffets, beginning Sunday.
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Some good news out of Oklahoma.
https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/report-first-person-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-in-oklahoma-has-recovered/?fbclid=IwAR2ZrCGGHVeL2xKKLxlqt9W4nlg6eonrkOtog20XaMjHp_0s9Pb3OHaDBNc (https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/report-first-person-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-in-oklahoma-has-recovered/?fbclid=IwAR2ZrCGGHVeL2xKKLxlqt9W4nlg6eonrkOtog20XaMjHp_0s9Pb3OHaDBNc)
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North Central Ohio schools are packing it in for the next month.
Went for groceries tonight and the lines at IGA were long and saw my first batch of people wearing masks.
Costco was approaching full retard according to a friend that went there today, no word on Sam's club.
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Well my daughter had a blast in Johnson county today and my wife had her quarterly bank meeting today. I'm not sure I even want to go home.
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At work today upper management posted a notice on the bulletin board about the kung flu. It basically said people need to not travel overseas and to wash your hands. There was a second page stapled to it so they were stacked and it was a dumb pictogram thing showing you how to wash your hands. Someone used the labelmaker and put note on it that said "it's a good thing you put this here so that everyone can touch the same thing!"
:facepalm:
Idiots. I work for idiots. Of course, I work with idiots too.
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First death in KC happened today. Man from wyandotte in his 70's. He was admitted to a hospital on Tuesday for what seemed like a cardiac issue, died less then 24 hours later. Today, test results confirmed COVID-19. He died in the nearest hospital to my house.
He contracted it from community spread. Local health department is doing contact tracing.
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I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.
Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):
Subject: Coronavirus is AIRBORNE! You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth
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Coronavirus is AIRBORNE!
You Are Not Being Told the Full Truth
“COVID19 IS AIRBORNE! President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic. Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others. Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.”
The bureaucrats are failing us, yet again.
A U.S. level 4 biological lab has now confirmed<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=1f462170df&e=1c49b8ccf1> that the Coronavirus (COVID19) is an airborne (aerosol) virus. This was also confirmed by a Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6c624da5b6&e=1c49b8ccf1> that researched an actual case of airborne spread on a public bus (see below for details).
And yet, the CDC, HHS, and White House Coronavirus Task Force have all failed to say ANYTHING about this!
This means that COVID19 is so small that it can be expelled in an infected person’s breath and linger in the air for at least a half an hour, as both the U.S. and Chinese studies confirmed, and while suspended in the air, it can infect other people who then breath that air in, inside an enclosed space (like a bus, airplane, train, subway, office building, school, church, car, personal home, etc), and it can therefore move from room to room in air-conditioning units (such as inside a nursing home, office building, school, cruise ship, hotel, etc), and likewise infect anyone who breaths it in. A flu is NOT airborne, and can transmit only in droplets in sneezes, coughs, or left on surfaces. This is one of the reasons why the Coronavirus vastly more contagious than a flu, It is airborne, like other highly contagious viruses such as measles, tuberculosis, and smallpox.
As Fox News reported<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=935be23c11&e=1c49b8ccf1>:
“A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=627d788b09&e=1c49b8ccf1> COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.
The research, published in the medRxiv depository<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=6d250de8d1&e=1c49b8ccf1>, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.
“Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days,” the researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.”
The Chinese medical study<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=af50affe3d&e=1c49b8ccf1> analyzed the case of a Coronavirus carrier who infected other passengers in a bus who were up to 4.5 meters away from him, and the virus lingered in the air inside the bus even after the infected man got off the bus. A passenger who got on the bus a half hour later was infected – proving that the virus can linger in the air inside an enclosed space for at least a half hour. As the South China Morning Post<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e9de924f3c&e=1c49b8ccf1> reported:
“Hu Shixiong, the lead author of the study who works for the Hunan Provincial Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention, said the security camera footage showed patient “A” did not interact with others throughout the four-hour ride.
But by the time the bus stopped at the next city, the virus had already jumped from the carrier to seven other passengers.
These included not only people sitting relatively close to “patient zero”, but also a couple of victims six rows from him – roughly 4.5 metres away.
They all later tested positive, including one passenger who displayed no symptoms of the disease.
After these passengers left, another group got on the bus about 30 minutes later. One passenger sitting in the front row on the other side of the aisle also became infected.
Hu said the patient, who was not wearing a mask, was likely to have inhaled aerosols, or tiny particles, breathed out by the infected passengers from the previous group.
Aerosols are light-weighted particles that are formed from tiny droplets of bodily fluids.
“The possible reason is that in a completely enclosed space, the airflow is mainly driven by the hot air generated by the air conditioning. The rise of the hot air can transport the virus-laden droplets to a greater distance,” said the paper.
After getting off the shuttle bus, the initial carrier got on a minibus and travelled for another hour. The virus jumped to two other passengers, one of whom was also sitting 4.5 metres away from patient “A”.
By the time the study was finished in mid February, patient “A” had infected at least 13 people.”
And yet, U.S. Government officials have completely failed to even mention this reality, or to advise that public mass transportation, such as airlines, trains, subways, or buses be shut down.
Frankly, we have known that COVID19 is airborne for over two weeks, as we first published in our written warning on the Coronavirus<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=e2cd2e4c79&e=1c49b8ccf1> on February 28, 2020. In that write up, we cited two public health officials in China stating that it is airborne, and a Singapore newspaper quoting the Singapore Ministry of Health sting that it is airborne. We also posted up video of the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) stating in a press conference that the Coronavirus is airborne. And yet WHO has also not made this part of its public recommendations on how this virus spreads or how to avoid becoming infected. See below.
COVID19 IS AIRBORNE! President Trump MUST immediately shut down all commercial airline traffic. Every airlines flight puts all passengers at significant risk of being infected precisely because all it takes is one infected person onboard a flight to infect others, just as the infected man on the bus in China infected others. Likewise, all public trains, buses, and subway systems should be shut down for the same reasons.
Frankly, we find this very frustrating and disturbing. It is highly unlikely that the CDC was not aware of the reports out of China and Singapore that this is an airborne (aerosol) virus that we referred to back on February 28, 2020. it is likewise unlikely that the CDC is ignorant of the Chinese study of the airborne spread on a public bus, that was published in Chinese media on March 9, 2020 .
But now that it is being widely reported in U.S. media that an American level 4 bio-lab has done its own study and concluded that it is indeed capable of being spread as an aerosol that lingers in the air for up to a half an hour. What else will it take for the CDC to change its recommendations to the American people, or to elected officials? What will it take for the White House task force on the virus to take decisive action by advising the President to shut down all domestic air travel? Or to warn the American people to stop using mass-transit? Or to recommend that all schools be shut down, since it will also spread like wildfire through a school just as easily as on a public bus?
Don’t wait for the bureaucrats. You must decide on your own to avoid all enclosed spaces, and especially while traveling. Stop flying, stop riding the subway, stop riding buses. And do all you can to avoid being in any enclosed public space with other people.
Read more on our website here: https://oathkeepers.org/2020/03/coronavirus-is-airborne-you-are-not-being-told-the-full-truth/<https://oathkeepers.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f61d5e9bfb43c1a2af2d32279&id=df6107e07e&e=1c49b8ccf1>
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NRA Annual Meeting canceled.
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The Swedish Central Bank has decided to issue loans worth 500 billion kronor (roughly 50 billion $$$) to ensure that businesses do not go bankrupt during the outbreak. Glad to see something is being done right.
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One of my ex-wives called me last night to tell me the local Aldi's was a complete *expletive deleted*it show. The closest confirmed case is still 50 miles away.
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One of my ex-wives called me last night to tell me the local Aldi's was a complete *expletive deleted*it show. The closest confirmed case is still 50 miles away.
What was your response?
Who cares, peasant woman? I've made enough panic monkey money in the last two days that I now have staff to deal with *expletive deleted*it like that...
:rofl:
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August, 2020
Tulsi Gabbard and Mike Pence are set to debate for the election. AOC is speaker of the house. The DOW is at 1,935 points. The Dollar is now backed by toilet paper. Nobody above 60 is left alive.
Brimic's ex wife is still in line at Aldi for toilet paper.
:laugh:
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Why cancel culture is a good thing
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
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Why cancel culture is a good thing
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
Side link from that link. Something about large burial trenches in Iran. If true Iran is getting whacked hard.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176968/coronavirus-iran-outbreak-satellite-photos-burial-trench
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Side link from that link. Something about large burial trenches in Iran. If true Iran is getting whacked hard.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176968/coronavirus-iran-outbreak-satellite-photos-burial-trench
Well, it's Iran. They could easily be using the virus as an excuse to eliminate undesirables who "caught the virus" without worrying about global reaction.
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Besides being dirty, they didn't shut down their holy sites until they were balls deep in an outbreak there. I don't believe their numbers for a minute. And as Ben said...never miss the opportunity for a good purge. We know China disappeared some dissidents.
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Well, it's Iran. They could easily be using the virus as an excuse to eliminate undesirables who "caught the virus" without worrying about global reaction.
That thought did pass through my mind
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Besides being dirty, they didn't shut down their holy sites until they were balls deep in an outbreak there. I don't believe their numbers for a minute. And as Ben said...never miss the opportunity for a good purge. We know China disappeared some dissidents.
There's also the reports of the faithful licking the sites in order to prove they weren't infected by the infidel virus.
But that certainly had nothing to do with the results.
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What was your response?
Who cares, peasant woman? I've made enough panic monkey money in the last two days that I now have staff to deal with *expletive deleted*it like that...
:rofl:
I've been talking to her about it in case the kids have to be quarantined in one of our houses. She has a huge stockpile of preps that I left behind when I got divorced which I told her to go through and see what's still good, because the kids might need it.
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I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.
Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):
If it were airborne, that would seem to mean the numbers of unreported infections are much much higher than we know about.
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Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake
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MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: NPR Source Says Trump Blocked Coronavirus Testing in January to Aid His Reelection Chances By Keeping US Infection Figures Low
NOTE: Please RETWEET this—America needs to know what this monster did. Thousands of future deaths will rightly be laid at his feet. https://t.co/FFGm5BDmIF
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) March 12, 2020
And he doesn't stop there
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/faker-than-fake-news-seth-abramson-gives-alex-jones-a-run-for-his-its-turning-the-frogs-gay-money-in-trump-coronavirus-thread/
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And when in doubt pull numbers out of your arse
Ohio health officials announced Thursday that the state has five known cases of the coronavirus, but one expert said that the number is likely much higher and estimated 100,000 undiagnosed cases.
Ohio likely has 100,000 coronavirus cases, top health official says
https://www.foxnews.com/health/ohio-likely-has-100000-coronavirus-cases-top-health-official-says
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One of our friends here, their daughter is home from college. Her roommate tested positive. She's in self isolation.
The amount of confusion and lack of direction from the college and the state is mind boggling.
She did a very good live video on facebook. I'm not putting her name up public, if you'd like to see the video pm me and I'll tell you where to find it.
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I got emails this morning. At least 2 gun shows this weekend were canceled. Looks like just about all public events are canceled or shut down. I might have to find somewhere to go just to buck the trend.
Might be the only good place to go is the gun range.
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Might be the only good place to go is the gun range.
Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
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The Rodeo has been cancelled in Houston.
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Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
I'm set then. Still got 8K or so in bulk pack boxes, from the Great 0bama Gun and Ammo Famine. Whichever round of it when .22lr is all you could find.
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Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
Sure can. How much ammo you got? I'll trade a roll for a 1000 pack.
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I guess a mega-thread deserves a mega message. A friend just sent me an e-mail he received from someone who got on an Oath Keepers mailing list. The jist is that COVID-19 is airborne -- meaning (in keeping with the post just above) that interviewing for "contact" doesn't mean diddly. Restricting the spread really is going to require quarantines and near lock-down conditions. The "6-foot avoidance" advice is useless if people in a building are exhaling the bug -- most building HVAC systems recycle roughly 80% of the air, and only 20% is exhausted and replaced with fresh air from outside.
Here's the e-mail (don't know if the links will come through as live links):
It's airborne, and people are contagious before showing symptoms. Containment is highly unlikely. Unless a vaccine is created much more quickly than the year that experts are estimating at the moment.
Here's a good site for info: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19 (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19)
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House to Vote on Coronavirus Spending Package on Friday after Reaching Tentative Deal
The package will guarantee free testing and 14 days of paid sick-leave for patients and tax credits for small- and medium-sized businesses affected by the outbreak. Additionally, the legislation will fund food assistance and Medicaid programs, as well as unemployment benefits.
I'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.
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Has the run on ammo started yet? :'(
We can trade 22lr for TP.
I saw a site that might have Wolf 5.45x39 SP ammo still in stock. I might need to try to order it. I would like to get some 7.62 as well. I have to think about how much I want to spend.
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I'll be curious to see how much unrelated pork gets packed in there. Seems like industry bailouts will likely be coming next.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
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I saw a site that might have Wolf 5.45x39 SP ammo still in stock. I might need to try to order it. I would like to get some 7.62 as well. I have to think about how much I want to spend.
I haven't been paying attention. Are there ammo shortages starting now too? I'm stocked up on most everything, except I wanted maybe another 1000 rounds of .300 Blackout, and I might be buying a 9MM shortly. I ain't paying panic prices for ammo though.
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Sitting here at a customer's watching bits copy. One of the office wimmins talking to the other, repeats rumor that someone at a town about 30 miles from here posted on the book of faces that he tested positive. He works at one of our customers', where one of our other techs is at frequently, and folks from the ISP side are at not infrequently.
Rumor, right now.
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Pre panic buying has hit my hood. I went into the store today to grab a few things. We're not in total lockdown, as I'm not so paranoid that I think I'll catch it at Harris Teeter....
They were almost cleaned out of TP and PT. Meat section, pasta, water all pretty bare. Low selection and stock of frozen veggies on the floor.
Every line was 5 people or more deep, and we had to wait for self checkout.
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I prepared for the Covid-19 experience by eating a whole package of Ghost Pepper hot sticks last night.
If I can survive the agony I'm feeling today, I'll be pretty much bulletproof.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
We have achieved :facepalm:
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Just hit the Giant down the street from my office.
Unlike the Wegman's this morning at 6:45, Giant had pretty much everything. Lines weren't out of the ordinary. The meat selection was running a bit threadbare, and they were out of the big packs of ground turkey that I like, so no joy there. I'll try the Giant near my house later tonight/tomorrow morning.
They've also not shut down the salad bar, which sort of surprised me.
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Our university is going "online only."
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Well, panic has hit smalltown, USA.
I was at the hardware store this morning and decided to go next door to the grocery store for a virus apocalypse donut. I did a quick walkthrough, and not only was the hand sanitizer still sold out, but now the bleach was too! Half the toilet paper was gone! The beer section was fully stocked, yet there was a beer delivery going on with pallets and pallets of beer. What does this mean?
Of the three other people in the store, two housewife looking ladies were buying panic supplies. One just had the hand basket of various canned goods. The other one had a shopping cart full of canned soup*, beans, and some pasta among other things. Both just had food items as far as I could tell. The third person was a guy loading up on lottery tickets.
*While I have made positive mention of buying canned soup before, it was related to the Hurricane Katrina example, where I was making a point about the demographics who had satellite TV and cell phones, but zero food and water in the house, with the idea that a case of water and a case of soup might set them back $10 out of their $300 cable and phone bills, and get them by for 72 hours. Nothing wrong with soup per se, other than it's pretty low calorie as a meal. I would have been mixing in higher calorie canned goods if I were that lady. In a real SHTF situation, I'd hate to have to function on 300 calories a day.
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CNN has a breaking story that Trump doesn't want to catch the beer virus! Time to impeach the bastard! The nerve of him!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jim-acosta-trump-coronavirus-report
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
We have achieved :facepalm:
0:27 Head bob engaged
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
We have achieved :facepalm:
??? What language was that head bobber speaking? It sure didn't sound like English. I couldn't understand a single word she said.
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??? What language was that head bobber speaking? It sure didn't sound like English. I couldn't understand a single word she said.
Modern American school English. She got an A+
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Enter James Woods
First :rofl:
Then cold water to the face
I love these ridiculous clowns who contend they can do better than President Trump. This booze-and-Botox besotted old bag can’t manage her dentures, much less a pandemic. Between her and Biden, they can barely manage to put a coherent sentence together. pic.twitter.com/Ze2mvKpoRp
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 12, 2020
What is truly stunning is the fact that the Speaker of the House is third in line of presidential succession. If President Trump and Vice-President Pence were incapacitated, God forbid, Nancy Pelosi would be President of the United States. Something to remember this November btw. https://t.co/FNXVYeNsN1
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 13, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/ridiculous-clowns-tfw-james-woods-wrecks-nancy-pelosi-over-the-coronavirus-with-her-own-mush-mouth-and-its-perfect/
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Bag Lady is already a meme :rofl:
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I wonder how long until stuff like big screen OLED TVs will sell for a deep discount? While others are worrying about TP, I want to enhance my gaming experience in case I have to quarantine for an extended time...
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The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
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The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPvuGZO_Fs
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bob
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My son said last night there's a possibility he may be quarantined at work. He's a Tech 2 at a major power plant.
The upside:
1. They will have to pay him time and a half for 24 hours a day.
2. They have a fully stocked and equipped kitchen, showers and cots.
The downside:
He'll be away from family for the duration.
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My son said last night there's a possibility he may be quarantined at work. He's a Tech 2 at a major power plant.
The upside:
1. They will have to pay him time and a half for 24 hours a day.
2. They have a fully stocked and equipped kitchen, showers and cots.
The downside:
He'll be away from family for the duration.
If his family can cope on their own, that sounds like a good deal if it doesn't go on too long.
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The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
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Absolutely 0 guidance at work. Noting new except extra cleaning and some open doors to flush fresh air into the building. Nobody is teleworking and non essential persons are still here. :facepalm:
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I wonder how long until stuff like big screen OLED TVs will sell for a deep discount? While others are worrying about TP, I want to enhance my gaming experience in case I have to quarantine for an extended time...
With everyone stuck at home, they may end up buying more or bigger TV's.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/franklin-armory-selling-toilet-paper-for-386-99-with-free-binary-trigger/
Franklin Armory Selling Toilet Paper for $386.99 (With a FREE Binary Trigger)
If you’re one of those who’s been caught short and you’re still on the hunt for bathroom tissue, don’t worry, Franklin Armory has you covered. They’re here to help in these difficult times and will be more than happy to send you an emergency supply of “survivalist/MRE grade toilet paper” for the low, low price of only $386.99.
Yes, that’s rather expensive, but the laws of supply and demand aren’t repealed during an emergency.
The good news: they’ll also throw in a free BFSIII AR-C1 binary trigger for your AR-15 rifle (regular price for the trigger only: $429.99).
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Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e64sPHWnsY
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/franklin-armory-selling-toilet-paper-for-386-99-with-free-binary-trigger/
Franklin Armory Selling Toilet Paper for $386.99 (With a FREE Binary Trigger)
Tempting. Could always sell the trigger :lol:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e64sPHWnsY
Of course. Thanks. I haven't seen that since it came out. Seems like a good time to rewatch it. :lol:
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I guess my reference was too indirect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZzxZDtP5w
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Denmark has closed their borders against Sweden and Germany. They still allow SOME ferry traffic from Norway. Also, friend who is a tattooer told me that both Denmark and Norway just closed down all hair dressers, barbers, massage studios and tattoo shops for 2 weeks.
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The Mayor of Champaign, Illinois just signed a sweeping executive order giving her the ability to ban the sale of firearms and ammunition because of…Wuhan coronavirus? There are no cases of the virus in town or the surrounding areas. https://t.co/CLOHveHWxU
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) March 13, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/13/mayor-of-champaign-illinois-issued-a-coronavirus-executive-order-involving-guns-and-more-hint-it-doesnt-get-anymore-unconstitutional-than-that/
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More details
Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916
Here is the list of other items from the declaration/executive order, which also includes the ability to ban the sale of "food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources," in addition to alcohol and gasoline. Additionally, government agents or officials have the ability to seize private property and to cut off the city water supply. The mayor justifies everything "in the interest of public safety and wolf." Bolding is mine.
After the declaration of an emergency, the Mayor may in the interest of public safety and welfare make any or all of the following orders and provide the following direction:
(1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.
(2) Order a general curfew applicable to such geographical areas of the City or to the City as a whole, as the Mayor deems advisable, and applicable during such hours of the day or night as the Mayor deems necessary in the interest of public safety and welfare.
(3) Order the closing of all retail liquor stores, including taverns and private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor and beer is permitted;
(4) Order the discontinuance of the sale of alcoholic liquor by any wholesaler or retailer;
(5) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;
(6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;
(7) Order the control, restriction and regulation within the City by rationing, issuing quotas, fixing or freezing prices, allocating the use, sale or distribution of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services or the necessities of life;
(8) (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;
(b) In the event any real or personal property is utilized by the City, the City shall be liable to the owner thereof for the reasonable value of the use or for just compensation as the case may be.
(9) Order restrictions on ingress or egress to parts of the City to limit the occupancy of any premises;
(10) To make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing;
(11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.
(12) Require closing of business establishments.
(13) Prohibit the sale or distribution within the City of any products which could be employed in a manner which would constitute a danger to public safety.
(14) Temporarily close any and all streets, alleys, sidewalks, bike paths, public parks or public ways.
(15) Temporarily suspend or modify, for not more than sixty (60) days, any regulation or ordinance of the City, including, but not limited to, those regarding health, safety, and zoning. This period may be extended upon approval of the City Council.
(16) Suspend or limit the use of the water resources or other infrastructure.
(17) Control, restrict, allocate, or regulate the use, sale, production, or distribution of food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources.
(18) Suspend or limit burning of any items or property with the City limits and up to two (2) miles outside the corporate limits.
(19) Direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened areas within the City if the mayor deems this action is necessary for the preservation of life, property, or other disaster or emergency mitigation, response or recovery and to prescribe routes, modes of transportation and destination in connection with an evacuation.
(21) Approve application for local, state, or federal assistance.
(22) Establish and control routes of transportation, ingress or egress.
(23) Control ingress and egress from any designated disaster or emergency area or home, building or structures located therein.
(24) Approve the transfer the direction, personnel, or functions of City departments and agencies for the purpose of performing or facilitating emergency or disaster services.
(25) Accept services, gifts, grants, loans, equipment, supplies, and/or materials whether from private, nonprofit, or governmental sources.
(26) Require the continuation, termination, disconnection, or suspension of natural gas, electrical power, water, sewer, communication or other public utilities or infrastructure.
(27) Close or cancel the use of any municipally owned or operated building or other public facility.
(28) Declare, issue, enforce, modify and terminate orders for quarantine and isolation of persons or animals posing a threat to the public, not conflicting with the directions of the Health Officer of the community.
(29) Exercise such powers and functions in light of the exigencies of emergency or disaster including the waiving of compliance with any time consuming procedures and formalities, including notices, as may be prescribed by law.
(30) Issue any and all such other orders or undertake such other functions and activities as the Mayor reasonably believes is required to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons or property within the City or otherwise preserve the public peace or abate, clean up, or mitigate the effects of any emergency or disaster.
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Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
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Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
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Couldn't tell you if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Not sure what different it would have made anyway.
Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-knew-about-coronavirus-earlier-patient-zero
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Too bad you guys don't work where I work. I have already learned two sure-fire cures for WuFlu, made from ingredients you already have in your kitchen, and you guys are just sitting there waiting to die. Dummies.
Fistful's one weird trick.
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"experts"
Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.
This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.
— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020
And he keeps going from there
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/13/straight-up-bs-obamas-former-head-of-the-aca-called-out-for-doing-his-best-to-terrify-the-masses-in-coronavirus-thread/
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Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
TV miniseries based on a book...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw
And *expletive deleted*it! It looks like they're remaking it into a much larger, 10 part series due out later this year...
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More details
Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916
Mayors can do Executive Orders? Or is it "Executive Orders"? That list sounds closer to what one might read in a fictional SHTF novel, except it would be martial law via a real Dystopian government, and not a dumbass city Mayor.
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TV miniseries based on a book...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw
And *expletive deleted*it! It looks like they're remaking it into a much larger, 10 part series due out later this year...
Wow, some truly awful acting there
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Mayors can do Executive Orders? Or is it "Executive Orders"? That list sounds closer to what one might read in a fictional SHTF novel, except it would be martial law via a real Dystopian government, and not a dumbass city Mayor.
What ever they want to call it I fear we're going to see more of this. I would bet good money our mayor is having tingles down his leg just thinking about it.
Meanwhile cue the gun and ammo buying panic, already had seen articles suggesting one had somewhat started before this and now here comes the stampede.
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Duke Energy won't disconnect customers' power for nonpayment during COVID-19 outbreak
https://www.wdrb.com/news/duke-energy-won-t-disconnect-customers-power-for-nonpayment-during/article_25062856-6569-11ea-a4b8-b731e79e6838.html
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The last couple of nights I've had this weird recurring dream...
I'm on the road, alone, and I've not seen a single soul for days.
But I keep having this waking vision of an old African American woman who keeps inviting me to come see her at her place in Nebraska...
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Earth_Abides_1949_small.jpg)
Great book.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w)
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Now all schools in the state of Washington are closed until April 24.
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Couldn't tell you if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Not sure what different it would have made anyway.
Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-knew-about-coronavirus-earlier-patient-zero
The autists on the chans figured out months ago that the first infection had to be around the beginning of November.. long before the chinese government came clean with that fact.
Despite reports of Wuhan City only have a few thousand deaths, they were very likely decimated and won't recover for years. This is because of 2 solid months of inaction.
Its likely the government knew about it, and decided for inaction because they either didn't want to believe what was happening or they were trying to sweep it under a rug until it finally blew up on them.
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I got an email and phone call this afternoon from the school district.
All schools in the north shore area of Milwaukee and all of Ozaukee county schools will be closed for a month, with the posibility of extensions, starting monday.
This warms my heart. Ozaukee County Emergency government is absolutely top notch.
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And what are working parents to do with the kids? Send them to the grandparents house?
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TP the new .22
My friend went for a grocery store run yesterday. He is known there from dealing with them before he retired. He had three employees come up to him and say make sure you get some TP.
I went to the little Walmart about 25 miles away to grab some whiskey. It shares the TP and paper towel isle. TP was gone as well as the wet wipes. I could have put the paper towels left in my backseat. They did have two half gallons of whiskey so I'm good.
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Well, Idaho has it's first reported case. 50ish woman from the Boise area who caught it at a conference in NYC.
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Well, Idaho has it's first reported case. 50ish woman from the Boise area who caught it at a conference in NYC.
That's too bad, you guys were in the March illness Final two only to get beat by West Virginia.
bob
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If his family can cope on their own, that sounds like a good deal if it doesn't go on too long.
No problem with that. We live with his family (wife and three teenagers). We have at least a half a beef, some elk, and salmon in the freezers, and the canning room is getting thin, but still pretty well stocked.
Makes me glad my parents lived through the depression. Not glad for them, but for what they taught me.
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(Cool (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;
Wow. Somebody finally figured out a way to violate the 3rd Amendment!
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Local piggly wiggly was jammed packed after work. There were 2 open parking spots. I’ve never seen anything like it. I saw a middle aged woman pushing a cart to her car with 3 decent sized packs of TP on the bottom.
I just shook my head, and drove on to Kwik Trip to get a pizza for dinner.
It now feels like I’m watching a movie. I knew all this would come to pass plus much more, but it’s weird watching it all unfold.
Gov Evers just declared all schools closed statewide starting next Wednesday. Good one on him.
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I guess the folks around here weren't as prepped as I thought. Local Walmart looked like Black Friday - no parking, elbow to elbow inside. Product being taking off the pallets and carts before it could be put on the shelves.
Ammo sales were "brisk". Lot's of .22, more .30-30 than I would have thought, .30-06 were the big sellers, along with 12ga. Most people buying ammo didn't seem to really know what they wanted - "Got 7 1/2 & 8 shot, which one you want?" "Uhhh, what do you think I should get?".
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I went to the supermarket this afternoon. The parking lot looked about normal for a Friday afternoon ... but that's probably because there's nothing left to buy! There was ZERO toilet paper, very little in the way of paper towels, almost no facial tissues, and all antibacterial-related cleaning supplies had been wiped out. Also, no bottled water.
I was there to do a mostly normal weekly restock. Once I saw that we're in doomsday mode, I bought a bit more than I would usually have bought, but not a lot. I should be good for a couple or three weeks with no resupply at all. Dunno what happens after that. (I guess if I have to go to the market after a couple of weeks, I'll wear trash bags and be a fashion icon.)
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Kuwait airport is closing indefinitely. All commercial flights banned.
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Kuwait airport is closing indefinitely. All commercial flights banned.
They started that a couple days ago. I squeaked in on Teus before they shut down for everyone but Kuwaiti citizens, they gave them a couple days to get in or out, then went full lockdown.
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Dammit. I'm almost certain that's a reference to a movie I've seen, but I can't remember it.
Read the book. It's much better, and you have the time.
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I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened. My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.
This ride isn't anywhere close to over.
Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
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Yeah, you're a regular Nostrafuckingdamus....
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I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened. My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.
This ride isn't anywhere close to over.
Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
We probably already had 6 figure infections a week ago.
There is very little information out there regarding the demographics of those who've succombed and died.
From bits and pieces scattered about it seems to hit Asians, those over 60, those with underlying health issues and smokers particularly hard.
You're right though, we needed to panic earlier, before anything was in place 😄
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Read the book. It's much better, and you have the time.
Read the book as King originally intended it.
When it was first published, his editors looked at it, said "You're a new author, and this book is going to be hugely expensive because it's so long. Cut 500 pages."
He did, and the story suffered, but it was still a huge hit.
Some years later he went back to his publisher and said "I want to publish the Stand was it was intended." And his publisher balked again, but by this time King was a massive cash cow for Doubleday and they relented, which is good, because the uncut version became a best seller again.
The miniseries was... a miniseries. Sort of like the original It miniseries. Good cast, but WAY WAY WAY too much subject material to be cogently plugged into such a short period of time allocated by the producers.
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Man, this beer virus bill passed by a vast majority of congress is like 25% response related and 75% free stuff. I can't wait till a flu strain comes out that gets me free stuff, but once again, my demographic just gets to pay for the free stuff.
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We probably already had 6 figure infections a week ago.
There is very little information out there regarding the demographics of those who've succombed and died.
From bits and pieces scattered about it seems to hit Asians, those over 60, those with underlying health issues and smokers particularly hard.
You're right though, we needed to panic earlier, before anything was in place 😄
I mean confirmed infections. I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested. I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Italy is the country that scares me the most with this. First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean *expletive deleted*ck. They've hit almost 1300 fatalities in just a few weeks with only 17,000 confirmed cases. Approx 15% of those cases are in some kind of hospital care.
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Italy is the country that scares me the most with this. First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-w
ar-as-death-toll-soars/
Mostly first world health care. Italy has one of the lowest Nurse to Doctor ratios in the EU and if you don't think that leads to a higher mortality then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/state/docs/chp_it_english.pdf
Also I believe another factor in the Italian thing is the amount of Chinese tourists they get every year. In 2016, the only year I looked at Italy had nearly 3.5 million Chinese tourists land on their shores. I would imagine that is even higher in 2019/2020. With Italy not screening, much less stopping the influx of Chinese, that did not help prevent the spread of the virus.
bob
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I mean confirmed infections. I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested. I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Italy is the country that scares me the most with this. First world health care, and they're barely hanging on right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
I mean *expletive deleted*ck. They've hit almost 1300 fatalities in just a few weeks with only 17,000 confirmed cases. Approx 15% of those cases are in some kind of hospital care.
Apparently they have a very high immigrant population from China that they imported to do the jobs Italians wouldn't do in the garment industry.
They are also very active travellers going home to China to visit and then returning frequently.
That would explain the exponential growth in cases there.
It looks like our governments plan has been what is called "flattening the curve".
Basically acknowledging it's here, it's spreading so let's slow it down enough to manage the sickest without crashing our health care system.
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I mean confirmed infections. I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested.
The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.
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I guess the folks around here weren't as prepped as I thought. Local Walmart looked like Black Friday - no parking, elbow to elbow inside. Product being taking off the pallets and carts before it could be put on the shelves.
Into the local Walmart last night. Toilet paper was gone gone gone. Other stuff was mostly in stock. No one seemed panicked.
Ammo sales were "brisk". Lot's of .22, more .30-30 than I would have thought, .30-06 were the big sellers, along with 12ga. Most people buying ammo didn't seem to really know what they wanted - "Got 7 1/2 & 8 shot, which one you want?" "Uhhh, what do you think I should get?".
One thing I noticed -- The local WM, post them pulling ammo at the behest/badgering of the Demandy Moms, still has plenty of .308/7.62x51. So, one can still feed their mid-century freedom rifles (FALs and what not) from Walmart.
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Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
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I’m working on a recipe for home made toilet paper.
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Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
That is definitely a factor, not sure about spreading faster but it definitely hits harder. From what I recall USA has about 15% smokers and Italy was closer to 25%
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Another consideration Does it spread faster or more lethally among populations where a high percentage are cigarette smokers? 70% of adult males in China, I don’t know the percentages but Italy and Spain and France are all higher than USA
It's a comorbidity factor for sure, but one of the recent Chinese studies put high blood pressure above smoking.
The known factors are that any underlying health issues, along with age, increase your chances of requiring hospitalization or being a fatality.
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Read the book as King originally intended it.
When it was first published, his editors looked at it, said "You're a new author, and this book is going to be hugely expensive because it's so long. Cut 500 pages."
He did, and the story suffered, but it was still a huge hit.
Some years later he went back to his publisher and said "I want to publish the Stand was it was intended." And his publisher balked again, but by this time King was a massive cash cow for Doubleday and they relented, which is good, because the uncut version became a best seller again.
The miniseries was... a miniseries. Sort of like the original It miniseries. Good cast, but WAY WAY WAY too much subject material to be cogently plugged into such a short period of time allocated by the producers.
Picked up the Stand miniseries out of Walmart's cheapo bin last night. A little amusement if we get holed hp here. From what Wikipedia tells me, depending on what release you get, some of them have a lot more material.
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The idea that a lot of people are going to get it isn’t controversial. Your predictions about multiple millions of dead in the US are the ones I still don’t buy.
I said if it's allowed to just run wild. Tamping down on letting it run is how this becomes background noise instead of an outbreak.
The Spanish flu died out because in some places it ran it's course. 2.5% mortality rate led to tens of millions of deaths world wide.
Read up on it for an understanding of what could happen. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
China shuttered their entire country for 2 months to stop COVID19 from running wild.
I'm not sure why some people don't get the logic in this process? Do we let something with the same mortality rate as the spanish flu just run wild through the 7.7 billion people of the world? That would be fun.
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I've never been so sad about being right about everything that's happened. My last prediction I made about a week ago is six figure infections in the US when this is all said in done.
This ride isn't anywhere close to over.
Oh, VA schools closed for 2 week minimum.
I know how you feel. No one would listen. Most are still in denial. Local talk show was still talking about this as a ploy to hurt Trump, and they want their sportsball back last night.
It’s going to get a lot worse, and I don’t like being right about it.
I made a shitton of money in the last few weeks, I wonder if that is even going to matter. I don’t feel good about being right about that either.
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Corona virus outbreaks generally burn out.
The unknown here is when this one will peter out.
Then, will it reappear next fall?
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Corona virus outbreaks generally burn out.
The unknown here is when this one will peter out.
Then, will it reappear next fall?
I think the hope is that it will mutate like the Spanish flu did. I can't imagine it won't crop back up.
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...
Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
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Tamping down on letting it run is how this becomes background noise instead of an outbreak.
The best part is that if we take the proper measures and it works, everyone will just say that it was no big deal and we didn't need to do all that.
:facepalm: :mad:
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I'm not sure why some people don't get the logic in this process?
At root your logic is bad. Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.
Only one of the following statements can be true. Not both of them:
I imagine there is a ton of "walking wounded" right now, people who are slightly sick but think its allergies etc.
Even as much as countries like Italy or South Korea are testing, they can't be catching everyone. It's the critical cases, and the family members of the sick who get tested. I was reading somewhere that in some of the countries when people are presenting as critical with the correct symptoms they've even quit testing and are moving forward as if they're positive.
Do we let something with the same mortality rate as the spanish flu just run wild through the 7.7 billion people of the world? That would be fun.
If the undetected infection rate is much higher than the detected (and I agree that it almost certainly is) then the mortality rate is not the same as the Spanish Flu. If the mortality rate is the same as the Spanish Flu (and I don't think it is) then there are almost certainly not hordes of walking wounded out there for whom the impact is minimal.
The two points are mutually exclusive but you bounce them off of each other to get to alarmist numbers. That doesn't mean we should do nothing, or let this run unchecked, or pretend Trump's handling is absolutely perfect, or consider this to be no worse than the common cold.
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...
Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
You know, part of that is the complete unknown about this virus. One article I read says it's like a respiratory illness that puts you on the couch for a while, you hydrate a d take care. Absent other health issues, you get better. Two articles later and I'm reading how this hits like a sledge hammer, the sick have no energy, and most will struggle to breathe, requiring oxygen therapy or mechanical respirators. Which one is internet crap, and which one is true, I have no idea.
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Meanwhile
*Sigh*
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If the tp situation doesn't get resolved we'll run out in my house in about two weeks.
My workaround is perfectly acceptable to me. The lady in the house is already reaching out to friends just in case, lol. She's never even pee'd in the woods so being without tp would be traumatic.
Hey brother, can you spare a square? 😄
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You know, part of that is the complete unknown about this virus. One article I read says it's like a respiratory illness that puts you on the couch for a while, you hydrate a d take care. Absent other health issues, you get better. Two articles later and I'm reading how this hits like a sledge hammer, the sick have no energy, and most will struggle to breathe, requiring oxygen therapy or mechanical respirators. Which one is internet crap, and which one is true, I have no idea.
I've been looking at the actual death vs recovered numbers on closed cases, and I don't like where this is going:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
That said, they are not testing everyone, but South Korea is doin g a LOT more testing, and CFR is about 10%:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days. We are 10 days behind Italy.
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Meanwhile
*Sigh*
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I'm starting to get irritated now, because there's perishable stuff I like to eat daily (fresh fruit for example), and now I have to either circle a parking lot for an hour to find a spot, then fight the crowds of toilet paper morons, then stand in the register line for 30 minutes, or go without.
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The best part is that if we take the proper measures and it works, everyone will just say that it was no big deal and we didn't need to do all that.
:facepalm: :mad:
Proving negatives is tough.
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Just went to ebay and typed in toilet paper
I hate some people. :facepalm:
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This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days.
Cases are doubling? Or testing, reporting, and people going in for tests are increasing? I'm kinda thinking as testing becomes widely available, and the MSM continues their doomsday marathon, a lot more people who might have thought they had cold symptoms are going to get tested. That's more like 2X more test subjects than actual infection rate increase. We don't have any valid, controlled baselines to project numbers off of.
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Plumbers are going to be busy due to certain kinds of paper towels, baby wipes etc.. getting flushed down the toilet.
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I *expletive deleted*ing hate people who are buying all the TP.
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I'm figuring that the panic buying will calm down in about a week or so as the "temporary normal" cuts in.
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I've been looking at the actual death vs recovered numbers on closed cases, and I don't like where this is going:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
That said, they are not testing everyone, but South Korea is doin g a LOT more testing, and CFR is about 10%:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
This thing ain't "just like the flu". It has exponential growth, and the cases in the US are doubling every 2.5 days. We are 10 days behind Italy.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
It might go down like it did in Italy or it might not.
The numbers are only one part of the equation.
How many deaths in Italy are under 80 and how many of those are of Han Chinese descent? How many were smokers, how many patient zero's did they have? There are a lot of variables. Statistics are only as good as the inputs.
Unfortunately most people are unable to look past the one bit of information and contextualize it to draw a more accurate conclusion.
Personally, I'm in favor of drastic measures in the face of a potentially deadly outbreak if it really is a deadly outbreak, but the fear mongering and doom and gloomers aren't helpful.
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Cases are doubling? Or testing, reporting, and people going in for tests are increasing?
Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while. =(
President Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.
"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.
This is smart.
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Without proper testing we're flying blind. Unfortunately that means landing the plane for a little while.
I agree with you.
Nothing wrong with an abundance of caution in the face of uncertainty.
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Quote from: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/14/815039722/trump-steps-in-to-help-oil-industry-facing-its-own-coronavirus-crisis
President Trump said the Department of Energy would buy crude for the nation's strategic petroleum reserve.
"We're going to fill it right to the top," Trump said Friday in a wide-ranging news conference at the White House. He said it will save taxpayers "billions and billions of dollars" while helping an industry that's been reeling.
This is smart.
Cue the dem knee jerk outrage that Trump is only doing it for his rich oil industry friends
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This is smart.
Cue the dem knee jerk outrage that Trump is only doing it for his rich oil industry friends
Yup. Of course if he was helping his rich oil buddies, he'd be topping off the reserves when oil was $75/barrel instead of the cheapest it's been in a long time. But let's not stop the TDS.
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Yup. Of course if he was helping his rich oil buddies, he'd be topping off the reserves when oil was $75/barrel instead of the cheapest it's been in a long time. But let's not stop the TDS.
Feelz > facts
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At root your logic is bad. Not necessarily about addressing a disease, but about the relative severity of this one.
I guess we'll see. Well, I'm really hoping we don't see, and it burns out.
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It might go down like it did in Italy or it might not.
The numbers are only one part of the equation.
How many deaths in Italy are under 80 and how many of those are of Han Chinese descent? How many were smokers, how many patient zero's did they have? There are a lot of variables. Statistics are only as good as the inputs.
Unfortunately most people are unable to look past the one bit of information and contextualize it to draw a more accurate conclusion.
Personally, I'm in favor of drastic measures in the face of a potentially deadly outbreak if it really is a deadly outbreak, but the fear mongering and doom and gloomers aren't helpful.
I think we'll shake out somewhere between Italy and South Korea in the end. One of the biggest factors in the US will absolutely be access to critical care. Slowing the spread means better access to critical care means better outcomes.
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This article nicely describes the eventual outcome of the CV panic. (https://issuesinsights.com/2020/03/10/the-media-induced-coronavirus-panic-is-worse-than-the-disease/)
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The MSM thinks they're immune from responsibility for their actions. Question it and they'll do everything they can to smear you into oblivion
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This is what we are worried about: ventilators and the staff to run them:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators
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If you are involved in running a hospital today, you would want to read this:
http://www.wsha.org/wp-content/uploads/2020-3-12-EvergreenHealth-WSHA_COVID19_TO-SHARE.pdf
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I'm starting to get irritated now, because there's perishable stuff I like to eat daily (fresh fruit for example), and now I have to either circle a parking lot for an hour to find a spot, then fight the crowds of toilet paper morons, then stand in the register line for 30 minutes, or go without.
That won't last long. In another 48 hours there won't be any toilet paper to be found in any retail channel in the United States, and most households will have enough to last for fifteen years at normal rates of consumption, so the supermarket parking lots will be basically empty.
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This is what we are worried about: ventilators and the staff to run them:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators
Would CPAP machines be helpful for cases with borderline or marginal need for ventilation?
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"He has 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer and nowhere to sell them":
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/He-Has-17-700-Bottles-of-Hand-Sanitizer-and-15131584.php
Boo.
Hoo.
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The monkeypocalypse has arrived:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing Christ, some of you ass clowns are talking as if this is the human extinction event of all human extinction events...
Stop being *expletive deleted*ing panic monkeys!
Take a look at Italy’s numbers... they are pretty bleak.
There were reports coming out of China that they were burning 1200 bodies/day in Wuhan City alone, and they were way short on incinerator capacity.
Do the *expletive deleted*ing math.
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Take a look at Italy’s numbers... they are pretty bleak.
There were reports coming out of China that they were burning 1200 bodies/day in Wuhan City alone, and they were way short on incinerator capacity.
Do the *expletive deleted*ing math.
I have heard that outside of the Wuhan province, the actual deaths in the rest of China has been pretty low. How much of that is China being a crap hole and how much is the actual disease. I think right now the hysteria being drummed up is worse.
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The monkeypocalypse has arrived:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKH_C2YbpY
I think down here there would be a lot of dead monkeys in the road that got run over.
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Milo Yiannopoulos was interviewed by Alex Jones. They talk a little about the virus in the video, but mostly about the Roger Stone trial. Entertaining at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHX9pVYS7Ak
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https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/03/14/dod-bans-all-domestic-travel-for-troops-employees-in-response-to-coronavirus-threat/
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Just in case people weren't panicked enough the media continues to drum up numbers
The Hill reports on the worst-case coronavirus models which estimate 1.7 million US deaths
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/the-hill-reports-on-the-worst-case-coronavirus-models-which-estimate-1-7-million-us-deaths/
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Have any of you noticed ammo in short supply? I see signs it is being bought, but not in short supply. SGAmmo has a notice at the top of the page that orders may not be shipped for 5 to 10 days. PSA's bulk ammo prices seem to be creeping up and their CCI 1000 rounds of 9mm bulk box is out of stock.
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Well, the dumbness has hit the commissary @ Fairchild AFB. No TP, pasta shelves essentially empty, meat gone except for stuff people don't know how to cook (tri-tip, flank steak, lamb), most of the chicken gone, no pork at all. But there was corned beef, lots of fruits and veggies and most everything else. I talked to one of the cashiers that is a family friend, he said most of it was bought yesterday by the newly allowed shoppers (Purple Heart recipients, former prisoners of war and all service-connected disabled veterans, regardless of rating, as well as caregivers enrolled in the VA's Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers program, ) who are still possibly liking the new benefit. I will send the wife out Wed or Thu to pick up some pork, which is all we really needed that we didn't get. There was a guy buying about 8 cases of MREs, I have a feeling he is going into the resale business, just a hunch.
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"He has 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer and nowhere to sell them":
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/He-Has-17-700-Bottles-of-Hand-Sanitizer-and-15131584.php
Boo.
Hoo.
Hmmm ...
Colvin does not believe he was price gouging. While he charged $20 on Amazon for two bottles of Purell that retail for $1 each, he said people forget that his price includes his labor, Amazon’s fees and about $10 in shipping. (Alcohol-based sanitizer is pricey to ship because officials consider it a hazardous material.)
Current price-gouging laws “are not built for today’s day and age,” Colvin said. “They’re built for Billy Bob’s gas station doubling the amount he charges for gas during a hurricane.”
He added, “Just because it cost me $2 in the store doesn’t mean it’s not going to cost me $16 to get it to your door.”
But what about the morality of hoarding products that can prevent the spread of the virus, just to turn a profit?
Colvin said he was simply fixing “inefficiencies in the marketplace.” Some areas of the country need these products more than others, and he’s helping send the supply toward the demand.
“There’s a crushing overwhelming demand in certain cities right now,” he said. “The Dollar General in the middle of nowhere outside of Lexington, Kentucky, doesn’t have that.”
He thought about it more.
“I honestly feel like it’s a public service,” he added. “I’m being paid for my public service.”
That's one of the most mealy-mouthed excuses I've ever heard for being a &^#^%$ing profiteer. May he drown in a flood of hand sanitizer, and then rot in Hell.
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Newt Gingrich is in Italy
All schools are closed in all of Italy.
All churches are closed (including St. Peter's Basilica).
All weddings and funerals are postponed.
All restaurants are closed.
In fact, all stores except grocery stores and pharmacies are closed.
People are urged to work from home unless they work in special designated factories
The streets are almost empty.
These steps are not an overreaction.
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Mexico reportedly considering closing its border to keep out Americans with coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/xenophobic-mexico-reportedly-considering-closing-its-border-to-keep-out-americans-with-coronavirus/
Maybe they could build a wall or something. =D
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Mexico reportedly considering closing its border to keep out Americans with coronavirus
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/14/xenophobic-mexico-reportedly-considering-closing-its-border-to-keep-out-americans-with-coronavirus/
Maybe they could build a wall or something. =D
That would be racist
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Maybe they could build a wall or something. =D
Mexico will pay for the wall!!! Another Trump promise kept. =D
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I was checking the commie pinko excuse for a newspaper from Santa Barbara today, and they reported that at my old Costco, the line to get in when they opened, counted by Costco employees, was ~1000 people.
My hunting buddy here stopped by this afternoon and said he tried to get to the Albertsons by his house but there were no free parking spaces and he got tired of circling the lot. He ended up stopping at my town's store on his way home and called to tell me they were still pretty stocked up and not a lot of shoppers.
This all makes me glad I was prepared, and I would sure like to rub it in the faces of some old coworkers who made fun of me years ago for it, and that are probably crying today that there's no TP at the Trader Joes. :laugh:
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Yesterday, the local Walmart looked like an early Black Friday, elbow to elbow and ahole to belly button. Today, not so much. More like a normal first of the month Saturday.
Of course, after yesterday there wasn't much left on the shelves. Paper products aisle was empty, completely. Canned goods, about 40% of normal stock. Meat dept looked OK.
The "just in time" stocking doesn't work when something like this comes down. It might look good on paper, and might help the bottom line, it isn't good when the chips are down.
The grocery store nearby was still stocked well in all departments. They did have postings limiting the amount of certain products, (water, paper goods, sanitizers, etc.), but they aren't hurting for product like Walmart.
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Who would have thought that civilization would collapse this way. [popcorn]
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Who would have thought that civilization would collapse this way. [popcorn]
"And so the Age of Men ended, not with a bang, but with a whimper, and the cleanest buttholes in all of history"
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Would CPAP machines be helpful for cases with borderline or marginal need for ventilation?
I'm wondering/hoping about this also. I've got the instructions on how to adjust the air flow for mine, if need be it can be adjusted up to "hurricane".
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Not to be outdone by other leftist leaders sowing FUD, NC governor Roy Cooper has closed public schools and banned public gatherings of more than 100 people for two weeks starting Monday, 2/16/20.
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I have a favor to ask the hive. If I die from COVID-19, please don't let me vote Democrat in November.
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I have a favor to ask the hive. If I die from COVID-19, please don't let me vote Democrat in November.
I am SO stealing that for my Facebook page! :rofl:
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Talked with a neighbor of mine yesterday who does early Saturday morning shopping trips.
He said that Wegman's was pretty cleaned out, but Walmart was in pretty good shape. Something were out, but they had lots of meat. My guess is that they got an overnight delivery.
I'm going to swing into the Walmart near my office on my way to work tomorrow morning.
I'm thinking that the worst of the panic monkey buying should start to slow down in a couple of days and it will be easier to get stuff.
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"I think right now the hysteria being drummed up is worse."
Yep. There's your math.
But, just in case, I did do some shopping yesterday for more dog food for Seren.
Picked up a bunch of cans and another bag of kibble. Should be good for quite awhile there.
And, if the spit really hits the spam (MONKEY MATH PANIC OVERLOAD!!!!), well the Turkey and Bacon flavor actually smells pretty good... :rofl:
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Stores are starting to restock and will continue to.
I found this article entertaining, especially on the mentality that led to hoarding *expletive deleted*it paper
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/health/toilet-paper-shortages-novel-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
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I'm thinking that the worst of the panic monkey buying should start to slow down in a couple of days and it will be easier to get stuff.
I suspect this is still going to vary wildly. Here for instance, two weeks ago, Costco was not that bad - no more than the holiday rush, other than running out of TP and water. There were still plenty of parking spaces, etc. I haven't been there since then, but we only just had our first reported case of the virus, quickly followed by three more. Those four cases somehow made things finally go batshit here to where there's no parking at the Costco or many other stores.
As new "panic news" develops state by state, and city by city, I think we'll still see increased panic behavior. I would suspect at some point, states like CA will finally get panic weary, even though they may have dense population centers where caution would still be indicated, and panic buying will lessen. At some point soon, every *expletive deleted*ing person in the US is going to have a case of toilet paper and that buying spree is going to moderate.
Which - tangent - has me totally pissed off. I put all my eggs in one basket and bet that a TP supply is what would make me a wealthy apocalypse warlord. Now the entire SHTF monetary structure has crashed via supply and demand, and toilet paper is about as worthless as a trade good as toilet paper. I need to come up with a new source for TEOTWAWKI wealth. :mad:
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More details
Banning the Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Because of Wuhan Virus? An Illinois Mayor Just Signed an Executive Order to Do It
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/13/illinois-mayor-may-ban-firearms-ammunition-as-part-of-emergency-over-wuhan-virus-n2564916
It appears the city is backpedaling like mad:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/champaign-clarifies-firearms-coronavirus-emergency
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I suspect this is still going to vary wildly. Here for instance, two weeks ago, Costco was not that bad - no more than the holiday rush, other than running out of TP and water. There were still plenty of parking spaces, etc. I haven't been there since then, but we only just had our first reported case of the virus, quickly followed by three more. Those four cases somehow made things finally go batshit here to where there's no parking at the Costco or many other stores.
As new "panic news" develops state by state, and city by city, I think we'll still see increased panic behavior. I would suspect at some point, states like CA will finally get panic weary, even though they may have dense population centers where caution would still be indicated, and panic buying will lessen. At some point soon, every *expletive deleted*ing person in the US is going to have a case of toilet paper and that buying spree is going to moderate.
Which - tangent - has me totally pissed off. I put all my eggs in one basket and bet that a TP supply is what would make me a wealthy apocalypse warlord. Now the entire SHTF monetary structure has crashed via supply and demand, and toilet paper is about as worthless as a trade good as toilet paper. I need to come up with a new source for TEOTWAWKI wealth. :mad:
Living in or close to cities will likely be worst. They'll see the most draconian type restrictions on movement and shopping. They don't travel as far to shop, and have food deserts in them as well.
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Trump tested negative for C19
The media
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Trump tested negative for C19
The media
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Seriously. There was a "how can we believe him?" post about it in r/politics at reddit, and it was trending. :facepalm:
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Trump tested negative for C19
The media
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Yup. First they were screaming that he didn't take the test (i.e., following "the rules" that you don't get tested unless you have symptoms), now they're screaming that he took the test.
The left and MSM (but I repeat myself) are really attacking the Surgeon General as well, including his credentials. I mean, can you imagine the "racism" cries if he was a dem president's SG?
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Nike closing it's stores in the US and Europe but keeping stores in S.K., Japan, China open. ???
De Blasio says no to closing NYC schools
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I heard it suggested that since testing was being expanded that we would soon see a spike in the total numbers of people with the virus even if not a spike in deaths. Do you think that will cause a round two of panic or will people be a little punch drunk from the first one?
I met a guy for a trade yesterday. I guess he doesn't watch the news and he was shocked that people were buying up stuff. I was just thinking that we have talking about this stuff for a month or more.
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Nike closing it's stores in the US and Europe but keeping stores in S.K., Japan, China open. ???
De Blasio says no to closing NYC schools
Read somewhere that the teachers are planning on staying home.
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Also, Austria just banned all public gatherings of more than 5 people. Not 500. Not 50. FIVE.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-austria-update-symptoms-gatherings-ban-latest-a9402866.html
Also, Norway is set to close all airports and harbors.
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The problem here is now that the panic buyers have swept through when the stores do get restocked the normal buyers (including me) are going to feel a lot of pressure to buy more than normal in case we can’t get it later. It’s hard to resist that mentality and I’m a lot smarter than the average consumer.
We barely got TP yesterday. One good sized pack. Soap and cleaners were also hard hit. Groceries for us weren’t a problem because we were buying fresh meat and vegetables. Ramen and stuff like that was hard hit.
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We should be doing this isolation stuff in the US every year from DEC-MAR and saving 30,000-40,000 lives. Plus no having to interact with people. :)
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So my dentist's office is still open for business. I just got the "confirm your appointment" text for my semi-annual cleaning on the 25th.
As much as I'm not taking the pandemic as seriously as others, one of the places it does seem kinda dumb to go is the dentist for an elective procedure. I'm actually going to think about postponing.
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Went to my usual barber shop. Usually I have to wait, deader than a door nail.
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Just got a message from a local DR friend from a conference call they were in yesterday. "Looking for Covid-19 to peak late April through June in the US"
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Friday night went out to dinner at my favorite Mexican restaurant, owner said business was off 70%
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It's all Fox News and Trump's fault for the panic
When this is all over and we properly examine what was done right and what was done wrong I hope we can have an honest national conversation on the toxic effect of Fox News. They are a critical instrument of Trump and his approach to the crisis.
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) March 15, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/15/have-a-nice-refreshing-glass-of-stfu-juice-cnns-joe-lockhart-blames-fox-news-for-coronavirus-panic-and-talk-about-backfire/
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Chatted with one of the college kids at church this morning. He gets an extra week of spring break, then they start doing his classes over the Internet. I can't imagine how much work has to go on behind the scenes to make that work, every place that going to try to do it.
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It appears the city is backpedaling like mad:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/champaign-clarifies-firearms-coronavirus-emergency
The truly scary part is that the city administration believes it has those powers in the first place. That's kind of why the 2nd Amendment exists.
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Chatted with one of the college kids at church this morning. He gets an extra week of spring break, then they start doing his classes over the Internet. I can't imagine how much work has to go on behind the scenes to make that work, every place that going to try to do it.
I was talking to someone from my old work last week, and they apparently had almost everyone who's jobs allowed it in DC and all the national satellite offices telecommute one day last week as a 'test day" to see if the VPN could handle all the traffic.
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Stores are starting to restock and will continue to.
Well yeah, but it's going to take a few minutes.
Went to Wally World on my usual 0100 Sunday trip and the bread, meat, canned vegetable, egg, TP, and paper towel shelves were bare. Heck, they were storing extra pallets of Cream of Mushroom soup and Cinnamon Toast Crunch in the paper towel bays. I guess that means they were clearing space in the back for lots of other stuff to come in, but apparently not paper towels.
Someone on the trucking reddit posted a pic of something like a mile of trucks waiting turn turn left into the P&G plant at Tunkhannock to get TP loads. Anecdotal stories from other drivers suggest other TP plants are similarly overwhelmed.
I drive for one of the big three meatpackers and load assignments had been fairly light compared to prior 1st-quarters. Until Thursday when I was suddenly booked for all next week, which has never happened in 5+ years, and when I got back to the plant there were now so many trailers there was literally had no place to drop the trailer I had and the spotter had to take it somewhere else. Also, instead of my usual industrial and wholesaler customers, all of next week drops are grocery DC's.
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So my dentist's office is still open for business. I just got the "confirm your appointment" text for my semi-annual cleaning on the 25th.
As much as I'm not taking the pandemic as seriously as others, one of the places it does seem kinda dumb to go is the dentist for an elective procedure. I'm actually going to think about postponing.
I have (make that "had") two non-essential appointments at the VA hospital for tomorrow (Monday) Being in the at-risk population due to both age and a heart condition, I was planning to call first thing in the morning to reschedule. The VA hit me with a preemptive strike. They called me today (on a Sunday!) to inform me that both appointments have been cancelled. Dermatology has been rescheduled for August. The dental clinic will call separately to reschedule that appointment.
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I was talking to someone from my old work last week, and they apparently had almost everyone who's jobs allowed it in DC and all the national satellite offices telecommute one day last week as a 'test day" to see if the VPN could handle all the traffic.
And? ...
Did the network buckle under the load?
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And? ...
Did the network buckle under the load?
Don't know. I talked to her the day before and haven't touched base since.
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The crazy has struck here now. My son went to wally world yesterday and posted pictures of empty TP shelves and cleaned out meat counters.
The wife and I made a trip to the local grocery store this morning. Some things are low on stock but nothing was completely wiped out, not even the TP. They didn't have my usual brand/style but I did pick up a couple of 4 roll packs just because. The store has also instituted a 3 per customer per day limit of any shortage item, TP, cleaning supplies, bottled water...
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The crazy has struck here now. My son went to wally world yesterday and posted pictures of empty TP shelves and cleaned out meat counters.
The wife and I made a trip to the local grocery store this morning. Some things are low on stock but nothing was completely wiped out, not even the TP. They didn't have my usual brand/style but I did pick up a couple of 4 roll packs just because. The store has also instituted a 3 per customer per day limit of any shortage item, TP, cleaning supplies, bottled water...
I want to buy some more steak, but don't want to deal with Costco. My little store is the smaller of two local stores owned by the same family. I might try to go to their main store in the next town over tomorrow and try some of the meat from their butcher counter there. It seems to be competitively priced, but I'm unsure of quality.
It seems little grocery stores just aren't getting slammed like the big boys are.
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Had a few things I needed so I braved the grocery stores.
First one had everything I needed except eggs, busy but fast lines.
Second store same story except no line, walked right to an open register with no customers.
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Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight. They can remain open for carry out.
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Just saw that. My sister doesn't cook. She and her husband make plenty of money and just eat out constantly, so I can't wait to hear the wailing.
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NYC just closed public schools.
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Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
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Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight. They can remain open for carry out.
Bars do carry out? Perfect.
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Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
Never let a crisis go to waste.
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They just closed my daughters school in the middle of nowhere for two days. What difference is two days going to make in the middle of nowhere?
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My sister doesn't cook. She and her husband make plenty of money and just eat out constantly, so I can't wait to hear the wailing.
I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.
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Early futures markets are not impressed with Fed moves...
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Early futures markets are not impressed with Fed moves...
And they're pretty much out of ammo?
Wonderful.
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As of now I am officially beyond tired of this *expletive deleted*it
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Well OH Governor is ordering all restaurants and bars to close after 9:00 p.m. tonight. They can remain open for carry out.
More
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/15/states-and-cities-order-restaurants-and-bars-to-close-down-over-concern-of-the-co-n2564984
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I'm dead...https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/ (https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Okay, that made my day
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For those without a facebook login
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx2rW78uuw4
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As of now I am officially beyond tired of this *expletive deleted*it
And I am officially beyond tired of the media hype and hysteria that has driven us to this point. This damn virus is not now, and will not ever, surpass a normal flu season in its impact on the country with regard to total infected and deaths.
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I'm dead...https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/ (https://www.facebook.com/daniel.klaver.39/videos/10221194525762696/) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I love the haunting sound of the pipes. And that little show is hilarious. :rofl:
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I'm going to swing into the grocery across from work tomorrow morning. Hopefully they'll have ground turkey. I have a 3 pound tube of chili grind turkey in the freezer, and a 1 pound regular grind, but I'd prefer not to dig those out unless I have to.
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I have a friend like this, he won't even make mac & cheese from a box. Can't say I have much pity for these people.
She's a Bernie bro, and we can't stand each other. I'm laughing my ass off. For comparison of the family, we were raised upper middle class, without any real wants. She ended up the aggrieved social justice warrior that went Peace Corps and I went to the Marine Corps and family business.
I hope she *expletive deleted*ing starves, it will amuse me. She was raised better than that.
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Feds just dropped the interest rate to zero. Seems like the majority of coronavirus response is free stuff and bailouts.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/fed-coronavirus-interest-rates-emergency-action
Student loan interest has been dropped to 0% until further notice too.
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:facepalm:
Coronavirus 'emergency'? Oregon police ask people to stop calling 911 because they ran out of toilet paper
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-police-public-stop-calling-911-toilet-paper
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Governor of Iowa has recommended that schools should close for 4 weeks.
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Well, that zero interest rate doesn't look to be doing what they want. Dow is already poised to drop like a rock tomorrow because of the announcement.
In other news, my nephew in law just texted me. His family owns a couple of Mexican grocery stores in LA, and they have closed both stores because they completely ran out of food today and they aren't getting restocked by their suppliers. That might just be a problem for mom and pop stores, and the Albertsons and the like will still have their supply chains, but it appears shortages without restock are starting.
Edit: I just texted him to watch his six, and he texted back that he already is because people are now being robbed for groceries when they leave the stores there.
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The problem is the grocery stores and warehouses both depend on JIT practices. Now that the grocery stores are hard hit and have used extra deliveries from the warehouses are the warehouses also running out??? And what will refill them? There is also only so much truck capacity also
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Hey, I wonder if Bidet sales have increased during this panic? :laugh:
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The problem is the grocery stores and warehouses both depend on JIT practices. Now that the grocery stores are hard hit and have used extra deliveries from the warehouses are the warehouses also running out??? And what will refill them? There is also only so much truck capacity also
True. And this isn't like, for instance, the hurricane season, when a run on supplies in Florida and Louisiana can be made up by reallocating supplies from other parts of the country. This IS the whole country. The whole system is predicated on a fairly normal, predictable rate of sales and replacements. That entire system has been stood on its systemic ear by this thing.
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I can tell not living in a hurricane area or similar area I have seen grocery store runs on stuff like milk and bread but never several sections including the entire meats, frozen goods, produce, canned goods etc
This is going to cause a *expletive deleted*it ton of panic and freaking out come this week
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The Washington state governor will sign an executive order tomorrow closing all bars and restaurants except for carry out food service, and also bans all gatherings over 50 people.
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I finally gave in and did some minimal prep. Starting point is I have more than 3 months of food on hand already. Unopened costco bale of TP so whew, that was a close one. ;/ Chickens that lay eggs and eat for free in another few weeks. Walk 300 yards to the river if I need water from a non standard source. So, I wasn't worried. Talked to my ex and she is in civilization proper and cannot find some stuff. I needed to be out of the house today so I drove from my BFE to another, Moorefield, WV. It's really out there. Place is not panicked, but the walmart was hit hard. Not just TP either. Found a couple hand sanitizers that she wanted. I decided by the looks of the store I would do my weekly grocery shopping plus a little, beef up my canned goods and beef in the freezer. Country people that still cook had been there, the flour and sugar aisle was empty, rice nearly gone, beans light, bread looked like a hurricane coming. I think this will get worse before it gets better, not the virus, but the panic. I only spent $140 so no hoarding here. That was yesterday, store finally had the one bathroom cleaner that removes the iron stains from my shower. I had been there like four trips when they didn't so I just tossed the whole shelf in my cart.
Things that weren't touched. In the Franklin, WV Walgreens they had some TP for bungholes, but nobody was buying the Hibiclens, the soap that really can nuke everything from orbit. Still a fair amount of bleach. Local store 1/4 mile from me I bought the old school brown lysol concentrate that also kills everything.
I very much favor slowing the world down and flattening the curve, skipped visiting this weekend just for that. But if people don't sharpen up the traffic accidents to go get all the things we don't need are going to kill more than the kung flu. People are so programmed to a rote day that any disruption makes the traffic just scary.
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I'd forgotten about the half full jug of Hibiclens they sent me home with to prep for my shoulder surgery. Got a couple gallons of bleach on hand plus about 10# of pool chlorine tablets. Food stores should be adequate for 3-4 weeks but variety may get slim.
On the local front, Oklahoma has posted the 8th confirmed case. the 1st case has now fully recovered.
Our governor has declared a state of emergency for the entire state. Mostly at this point it enables more state/local/fed collaboration. Still haven't had any word on public schools going on extended break after this coming weeks regular spring break but all the state colleges are going to online classes after their spring break.
The stupid has escalated and the area wally worlds are being cleaned out of food stock and TP. My local small town grocery store was low on TP but not sold out. Still had bottled water, bread, milk and fresh meat but some of the frozen meat freezers were empty, plenty of frozen veggies as well as canned stuffed but they were out of spam, they never have more than a dozen or so cans on the shelf anyway though.
At this point I'm more concerned with stupid people freaking out and going all TEOTWAWKI on normal folk. I don't think we'll see much of that in the rural area but as mentioned the inner city types... who knows.
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I work in one hospital while my wife works for a competing hospital 25 miles away. I have a daughter in elementary school (that have now been ordered closed by the governor). If Covid-19 makes its way here, my family is likely to contract it.
Fortunately, my family is healthy and we have a good inventory of essential supplies. I'm not part of the run on toilet paper though... we have kept our supplies in rotation faithfully for the past decade at least. If we have to self-quarantine, we have enough food, water and other essentials to do so easily for a couple months, not just a couple weeks.
I think the biggest issue we would have (beside kicking the bug itself if contracted) is running out of things to binge watch on Netflix, Hulu and Amazon.
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The Washington state governor will sign an executive order tomorrow closing all bars and restaurants except for carry out food service, and also bans all gatherings over 50 people.
Nothing better than putting tens of thousands of people out of work to fix an over-hyped non-crisis. :facepalm:
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I didn’t know I was independently wealthy, but looking through a closet the other day I located a whole unopened case of TP I must have shoved in there one day and forgot about.
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My office is normally humming by 8 a.m.
Right now it's still a freaking ghost town.
I've got a meeting at 11 a.m. to present some documentation, and 4 out of the 5 people who are supposed to attend have young kids and are probably scrambling to find child care coverage.
This is weird times...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETG7RiNXkAEd0GV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Hey, I wonder if Bidet sales have increased during this panic? :laugh:
Woman at a customer's I was at for a while this past week mentioned having put one in. (Not for the current shortage.)
meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper. she hadn't bought any.
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meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper. she hadn't bought any.
You're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!
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Nothing better than putting tens of thousands of people out of work to fix an over-hyped non-crisis win an election. :facepalm:
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meanwhile my wife tells me we have 5 rolls of toilet paper. she hadn't bought any.
Well, there's Chinese TP on Amazon for like $80 that will get to you in 4-6 weeks. =D
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I'm going to be on permanent overtime for sure until I drop dead.
https://www.newsweek.com/thermo-fisher-coronavirus-test-kits-provide-results-four-hours-1492370
We started OT a few weeks ago to supply Roche and at least one other test kit maker, now we have our own test kit....
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10 days paid vacation for all my companies retail locations.
We're doing our part to flatten the curve.
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I just heard our corporate office is effectively closed. Everyone is working from home.
We might try something at my site, but we have minimal staffing.
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Some help with ethical questions for those working from home.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Hu4-7WBaofs/Rr339CgvvPI/AAAAAAAAAzE/b_a6Qa0Y3o4/s320/day.1.jpg)
http://fuzz-sezs.blogspot.com/2007/08/dilbert-on-telecommuting.html?_sm_au_=iVVsV5HWL9ZrPr6HLc4CKK304t06W
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Well crap
Beshear orders Ky. bars and restaurants to close dine-in services
https://www.wdrb.com/news/beshear-orders-ky-bars-and-restaurants-to-close-dine-in/article_ef1eb27a-678a-11ea-8ad8-eb7927ad966a.html
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I have now read a couple of articles that gun sales in CA are greater than many other parts of the country right now. Can any APS CA members confirm the run on guns there?
I would be interested in what some of these first time buyers, likely liberal, think about buying their one gun per month, and waiting ten days to get it when their whole purpose was buying protection for what is happening right now, not two weeks from now.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-15/coronavirus-pandemic-gun-sales-surge-us-california
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I have now read a couple of articles that gun sales in CA are greater than many other parts of the country right now. Can any APS CA members confirm the run on guns there?
A member of a Jeep forum I participate on posted that he heard from a friend in New England (state not identified, but he said they have strict gun laws, so that means CT, MA, or RI) who owns a gun shop and range. The shop owner said guns are flying off the shelves and they can't restock fast enough.
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A member of a Jeep forum I participate on posted that he heard from a friend in New England (state not identified, but he said they have strict gun laws, so that means CT, MA, or RI) who owns a gun shop and range. The shop owner said guns are flying off the shelves and they can't restock fast enough.
Matches what I'm reading on a gunrelated BookFace group, from someone in the business.
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And here's one reason why
Ohio jail to release hundreds of inmates amid coronavirus concerns: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-releases-hundreds-inmates-coronavirus
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-spain-death-toll-doubles-in-a-day-as-288-victims-now-confirmed-11957987
iTsJuStThEfLu
Countries don't get locked down for swine flu, ebola, bird flu, etc.... they get locked down for bioweapons.
I expect quarantines, or travel restrictions between municipalities this week.
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And here's one reason why
Ohio jail to release hundreds of inmates amid coronavirus concerns: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-releases-hundreds-inmates-coronavirus
The list included older inmates and those with chronic illness and a history of respiratory issues, which are factors identified by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that make someone more vulnerable to serious complications and death from the coronavirus.
Prisoner safety or avoiding treatment costs?
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Well my work says keep working and if you can’t work then use PTO and short term disability (60% of normal pay) and just wash your hands and stay away from people
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Well crap
Beshear orders Ky. bars and restaurants to close dine-in services
https://www.wdrb.com/news/beshear-orders-ky-bars-and-restaurants-to-close-dine-in/article_ef1eb27a-678a-11ea-8ad8-eb7927ad966a.html
Just read an article saying the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut have done the same. Take out only. Bars that don't serve food are closed, period.
Gotta wonder why it took them so long ...
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A former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers during the 2008 financial crisis under President Obama is urging Congress to provide a strong rescue package – including a one-time payment of $1,000 to every American adult and $500 for every child – to help cope with the fallout of the coronavirus, a report said.
What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
Down further he does show a bit of common sense
“The financial crisis occurred because the underpinning of the economy was bad, they say, but this is a temporary situation and eventually things will go back to normal,” he added.
Ex-Obama adviser says government should give American adults $1G, every child $500
https://www.foxnews.com/us/amid-coronavirus-fight-ex-obama-adviser-says-govt-should-give-every-american-1g
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What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
Does Bill Gates really need $1,000?
The people who need financial help are the people whose lives and jobs are being disrupted. I do think the government should provide some assistance, but it should be directed to the people who are losing their incomes from this thing. Welfare stay-at-homes will still get their checks; they don't need anything extra. People who can't work because their business has been shut down (like restaurant workers) should be able to collect emergency unemployment compensation to carry them through the emergency.
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My wife and I don't need a thousand dollars each from the Government. We would just put it in the bank. If such a program is implemented, we would want it to go to people in actual need.
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Was just nosing around on amazon and most prime items show Sat or later for delivery for me.
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Was just nosing around on amazon and most prime items show Sat or later for delivery for me.
I'm seeing the same thing.
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Just hit the local Giant. Shocked that the salad bar is still open, but good for me because that's my lunch.
Shelves are better stocks. Still very little meat, but more meat than there was on Friday.
Milk, eggs, and cheese are back.
Some potatoes, but still no onions, damn it.
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On the sgammo.com home page:
Due to overwhelming order volume over the past week we are not currently accepting new orders. We are currently approximately 10 days behind on filling orders and the priority is going to be given to filling existing orders. We will begin to restore inventory later this week once we have a handle on shipping all orders that have been placed so far.
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My short term disability has been extended to 4/13/20. From talking with a co-worker I'm wondering if some small part of that is due to the company trying to get everyone that can work from home to do so. Of course the Dr saying it is necessary is probably the main reason but I'm not going to fight it.
For good or bad my job is hands on and can't be telecommute. Hard to actually physically install a 400G fiber circuit from home.
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French docs say don't take NSAIDS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19
There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
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French docs say don't take NSAIDS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19
There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
I read something about that earlier.... really good to know, because the big jar of ibuprofen is always my first stop when something hurts, and something usually does hurt.
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Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
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Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
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Canada just closed its borders to non citizens; Americans not included in the ban.
That could get frustrating for Alaskans, for sure, if they closed Yukon/BC to Alaskan US traffic.
I worry about state level quarantines. In High School, I lived in Walla Walla, WA. I worked for a vegetable cannery in Milton-Freewater, OR, for the summers. Probably half the cannery staff and ag job workforce came from north of the OR border. Pretty common for cross-border employment in lots of places, and cross-border supply systems. Milton-Freewater didn't have Costco or Walmart, but Walla Walla did. Lewiston/Clarkston are very tightly integrated on the WA/ID border. Lots of places like that scattered around the US.
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French docs say don't take NSAIDS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/health-experts-criticise-nhs-advice-to-take-ibuprofen-for-covid-19
There is some disagreement on acetaminophen.
My brother the nurse advised:
By the way, if you were to get corona, my advice is to avoid aspirin. Take an antihistamine and Tylenol. Humidify the air.
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That could get frustrating for Alaskans, for sure, if they closed Yukon/BC to Alaskan US traffic.
I worry about state level quarantines. In High School, I lived in Walla Walla, WA. I worked for a vegetable cannery in Milton-Freewater, OR, for the summers. Probably half the cannery staff and ag job workforce came from north of the OR border. Pretty common for cross-border employment in lots of places, and cross-border supply systems. Milton-Freewater didn't have Costco or Walmart, but Walla Walla did. Lewiston/Clarkston are very tightly integrated on the WA/ID border. Lots of places like that scattered around the US.
This is an issue here in Europe as well. Plenty of people who live in one country and work in a neighboring country. Swedes working in Denmark, Germans working in Austria and Switzerland are common examples. Apparently, while the borders are closed now, they made exceptions for cross border workers. Swedes are still commuting to Copenhagen, and Germans are still working in Switzerland.
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Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/16/mexico-is-dangerously-unprepared-for-the-inevitable-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak/
An uncontrolled outbreak south of the Rio Grande will put communities in south Texas, California, New Mexico, and Arizona at risk, especially cities that see tens of thousands of people cross back and forth over the border every day, like San Diego or El Paso.
Simply put, Mexico has almost no ability to control vast swaths of its own territory in normal times. The state is endemically weak, with powerful cartels exercising a kind of de facto sovereignty over much of the country. State and institutional power matter most in times of war and pandemic, and Mexico is in dangerously short supply of both. When the coronavirus hits there, we might wish we had finished building that wall a long time ago.
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Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
I would think rice and uncooked beans would be fine. Flour for sure, I used to freeze it all the time. Potatoes if you cooked them first should freeze just fine, then used them for mashed or some other dish that doesn't need whole potatoes. That my thoughts anyhow.
bob
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beans
potatoes
rice
flour
Raw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.
How long are you planning on keeping the rice, beans, and flour? Refined flour will keep for a couple years without freezing. Whole grain goes rancid faster but freezing would likely help.
Dry white rice and dry beans can store for 25-30 years without freezing. Other varieties of rice may not keep as long, but still much longer than I expect this particular event to last.
If you've got extra freezer space I'd either fill it with things that make sense to freeze or bottles of water.
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Raw potatoes don't freeze well, but I've heard of freezing cooked or partially cooked potatoes.
How long are you planning on keeping the rice, beans, and flour? Refined flour will keep for a couple years without freezing. Whole grain goes rancid faster but freezing would likely help.
Dry white rice and dry beans can store for 25-30 years without freezing. Other varieties of rice may not keep as long, but still much longer than I expect this particular event to last.
If you've got extra freezer space I'd either fill it with things that make sense to freeze or bottles of water.
I talked my ex-wife through opening the preps I had left behind from divorce 5 years ago this weekend (In case quarantine and the kids got stuck there). She opened sealed buckets that I made up 10 years ago, everything was fine except jars of apple sauce. The bulk of it was dried beans/enriched white rice.
She has enough food to last several months with the kids there, yet she still wouldn't stop freaking out.
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Is it ok to freeze these things in the freezer? I have a lot of freezer space, but I don't know if it's even beneficial:
beans
potatoes
rice
flour
No, assuming the beans are not fresh beans. Everything but the potatoes has an extremely long shelf life (several years, but after a year the beans take a lot longer to cook) Potatoes just have a kinda long life. The freezer will ruin the potatoes, although they will still be edible.
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France is closing down, essentially, for 15 days.
I think things are going to get pretty bad in the US as far as food and supplies are concerned.
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My wife's grandma used to cook and freeze potatoes all the time. Not sure exactly how she did it.
The rest of those I keep in the freezer to keep bugs and vermin out.
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What says the hivemind on matter, good, bad or....?
Down further he does show a bit of common sense
Ex-Obama adviser says government should give American adults $1G, every child $500
https://www.foxnews.com/us/amid-coronavirus-fight-ex-obama-adviser-says-govt-should-give-every-american-1g
I am not in favor. I think Trump's idea of a temporary payroll tax cut is better. Don't take it in the first place. This guy wants to take it, run it through the FedGov bureaucracy, then pay out money. That would probably cost $3000 per person to send out $1000 per person.
Maybe allow 30 days of unemployment compensation for people who are temporarily not working.
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On the sgammo.com home page:
Just got an e-mail from Target Sports USA saying the same thing
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Looking at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
One Provence in China (Hubei) represents a full 96% of their deaths nationwide. I'd like to see the demographics on that.
WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).
China and Italy represent 73.9% of deaths worldwide. If you back them out, worldwide mortality drops from 3.9% to 3.3%.
Brad
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Looking at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracking page.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
One City in China (Hubei) represents a full 96% of their deaths nationwide. I'd like to see the demographics on that.
WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).
China and Italy represent 73.9% of deaths worldwide. If you back them out, worldwide mortality drops from 3.9% to 3.3%.
Brad
I heard that mentioned about China recently. If you remove that one province their death rate is pretty low. The person mentioning it said it was due to getting surprised by a new virus.
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The e-commerce giant said it will hire for part-time and full-time roles in its fulfillment centers and delivery network through the United States in order to meet a “surge in demand.” Additionally, Amazon is investing $350 million to fund near-term wage increases for its workers in the United States, Canada and Europe through April.
Amazon to hire 100K workers amid coronavirus shopping spike
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-amazon-hiring-100k-workers-shopping
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Amazon to hire 100K workers amid coronavirus shopping spike
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/coronavirus-amazon-hiring-100k-workers-shopping
Probably all H1B VISA workers from YouKnowWhere and New YouKnowWhere.
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Kentucky primary elections postponed from May to June
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/16/kentucky-primary-elections-postponed-may-june/
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And... Oklahoma just closed all public schools till April 6th.
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Just received an email from iAMMO,com - advertising specials on 9mm, 7.62 & .22. No mention of shipping delays.
Dallas has announced closing of restaurants, movie theaters, etc. at 2400hrs tonight. Stay closed until further notice.
ETA: https://www.fox4news.com/news/city-of-dallas-dallas-county-close-all-bars-restaurants-gyms-theaters-to-stop-spread-of-covid-19-coronavirus & correct time of implementation.
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The local Walmart finally started stocking just *small* packages of toilet paper ( 4 "megarolls") with a limit of 1 package per customer. I got one today, so I can wipe my butt now without feeling guilty for using up my parents' limited supply. ;/
I went to Aldi today, and they were limiting the number of customers in the store. Doors locked; small line outside. They would let somebody out and let somebody in, then lock the door again. It wouldn't be so bad, except there was only one checkout line open, and the cashier was also manning the door. (WTF?) Poor girl was running herself ragged, and checkout was taking an awfully long time. When I got checked out, I went over and unlocked the door myself and said "Next!" as I left, then shut the door behind the person who came in but obviously I couldn't lock it. No idea if that caught on or not. If people behaved themself (and they were) it would triple the throughput. But the real problem was not enough staff.
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Freeze rice, beans, and flour for 30 days to kill critters and eggs.
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I got nothing :facepalm:
Woman licking plane toilet seat for 'coronavirus challenge' is slammed by Meghan McCain, others on Twitter
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/womans-coronavirus-challenge-viral-slammed
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Stopped by the store for a few things.
No packaged bread except some cinnamon swirl and raisin and such.
No milk
No eggs
Very little cheese
Very little fresh meat
Very little cured meat
Heavily picked over frozen goods
Only a couple packages of wheat flour and some tiny packs of self rising flour
One leaking 25lb bag of sugar and four 5 pound packages of Domino sugar.
Only name-brand cooking oil
No sanitizing cleaner
No rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide
No bleach
Crazy.
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Stopped by the store for a few things.
No packaged bread except some cinnamon swirl and raisin and such.
No milk
No eggs
Very little cheese
Very little fresh meat
Very little cured meat
Heavily picked over frozen goods
Only a couple packages of wheat flour and some tiny packs of self rising flour
One leaking 25lb bag of sugar and four 5 pound packages of Domino sugar.
Only name-brand cooking oil
No sanitizing cleaner
No rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide
No bleach
Crazy.
Wow. I was busy and didn't make it to my store today. I'm going there tomorrow morning, and I'm expecting that they'll have finally been hit. Interesting on the bread. I'm glad I picked up an extra 20lb of flour at the Costco before they went completely crazy. I now put 20lbs in the freezer and have another 30lbs in airtight flour containers in the pantry. If I go completely to baking my own bread, instead of mixing store bought and homemade, between breadmaking and occasional pancakes and biscuits and whatnot, I'll use maybe 2-3lbs a week.
I'm curious to see what my Costco is like this week, but then again I'm not. I'd really like to pick up an extra package or two of meat. I usually buy their ribeye and tritip packages which run $40-$60, so they might still be available unless the regular crowds get really desperate. Maybe I'll drive by in the morning and if their parking lot isn't completely full, will have a looksee.
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Lines are out the door at gun stores.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/16/nicholas-kristof-covid-19-will-lead-to-more-deaths-as-more-people-buy-guns-resulting-in-more-murders/
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Things are clamping down in Kansas City. Most of the Kansas City area will ban gatherings of more than 10 people, close movie theaters and prohibit restaurants from offering dine-in service. In Johnson County, Public Health ordered all schools closed through April 5.
Several large companies have announced work from home policies.
The only store I've been to recently is Menards, which was normal, except for being out of stock on TP.
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Boss told us to work from home if we can.
Elk hunting buddy went to Cabela's. Said reloading powder is wiped out, .223 is gone. .22lr was available for $7/100rd.
Local Costco out of pretty much all paper products, cleaning supplies, flour/sugar/rice/beans/etc. Little meat or cheese. Plenty of perishables though.
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WTF is going on in Italy?! Their mortality rate is even worse than China (7.71% vs 3.97%).
I read somewhere that Italy is testing post mortem and any that test positive are being marked towards Covid-19, actual cause of death to be determined at a later date.
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It took me two stores, but I was able to get a few things this morning.
Wegman's across from my office has half and half, milk, eggs, and cheese. They also had, amazingly enough, onions. Only red onions, and pretty picked over, but I'm going to make a pot of chili tonight, so no big deal. The meat cases, on the other hand, still look like a vegetarian's wet dream. Only high end cuts of meat. Canned goods were spotty.
The local Giant actually had some meat -- chicken and some ground beef, but still no ground turkey. I grabbed a family pack of chicken breasts. I'll make a pot of chili with a couple of vacuum seal the others for the deep freeze. I was also able to get canned beans at Giant. Haven't seen much in the way of canned beans since last week.
Hopefully this is easing a bit as people calm the *expletive deleted*ck down and realize that they've bought enough stuff to last them for awhile.
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I think it is the opposite Mike. People are seeing empty shelves and buying whatever they can.
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It took me two stores, but I was able to get a few things this morning.
Wegman's across from my office has half and half, milk, eggs, and cheese. They also had, amazingly enough, onions. Only red onions, and pretty picked over, but I'm going to make a pot of chili tonight, so no big deal. The meat cases, on the other hand, still look like a vegetarian's wet dream. Only high end cuts of meat. Canned goods were spotty.
The local Giant actually had some meat -- chicken and some ground beef, but still no ground turkey. I grabbed a family pack of chicken breasts. I'll make a pot of chili with a couple of vacuum seal the others for the deep freeze. I was also able to get canned beans at Giant. Haven't seen much in the way of canned beans since last week.
Hopefully this is easing a bit as people calm the *expletive deleted*ck down and realize that they've bought enough stuff to last them for awhile.
Stopped by Kroger last night because I had the sudden urge to make corned beef today.
No corned beef. No potatoes. No cabbage. No chicken. Mainly expensive cuts of beef. A little pork. Cheese section almost completely empty.
You know what they did have plenty of? Lunchmeat. How do you buy up all the fresh meat in a panic and leave the much more stable lunchmeat?!?
I didn't even look down the paper products aisle, but I'm sure it was cleaned out as well. People are just crazy.
On the other hand, maybe, as you say, people who actually have a small cushion of food will calm down a little since, apparently, people don't keep more than a couple days of food at home.
On my search, though, they did have sausages and we already had some potatoes and cabbage at home, so we're doing sausage, potato, and cabbage soup for St. Patrick's Day.
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No corned beef. No potatoes. No cabbage. No chicken. Mainly expensive cuts of beef. A little pork. Cheese section almost completely empty.
Dammit. I bought the corned beef over two weeks ago, but waited on the cabbage. I'm thinking good luck finding some this morning. I might have to tweak my Paddy menu or else just hold onto the corned beef until thingas calm down and I can buy some *expletive deleted*ing cabbage.
I tend to agree with Cordex - this food hoarding seems to be ramping up rather than slowing down. Even though I'm betting three months from now, Americans will be throwing away tons and tons of spoiled/expired food.
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Local grocery near me was the same. No butter either. That surprised me.
I was able to get plenty of orange juice which is why I stopped by. I realized I was out of milk afterward which they also had.
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Is he flipping off the picture taker?
Man at Italian market spotted wearing social distancing 'doughnut' amid coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/man-italy-wearing-social-distancing-doughnut-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
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I think it is the opposite Mike. People are seeing empty shelves and buying whatever they can.
That was the first couple of days when the schools started shutting down.
I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.
Yes, there is some "I'll buy anything that I can! I can eat cat treats, right?" going on, but that's also going to start calming down as the first wave of panic monkeys realizes that they have 1,200 rolls of toilet paper and enough food to feed a small army for a month and no where to sit in their houses.
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I have a corned beef in the deep freeze that I really should use.
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Forgot...
Yesterday Pennsylvania's commie in charge announced that non-essential government agencies would be shutting down, including the PA controlled wine and spirits shops. Apparently that set off quite the rush AND quite the howl.
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I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.
I think there's a regional component too. My neck of the woods seems to be a week or so behind the curve on the start of the hoarding. Other places might already be on the downhill side of peak panic.
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I wonder how much of the hoarding is people who eat out all the time suddenly trying to cook.
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I wonder how much of the hoarding is people who eat out all the time suddenly trying to cook.
Around here especially. DC/MD/VA is all hustle and bustle, people don't eat at home that much.
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Around here especially. DC/MD/VA is all hustle and bustle, people don't eat at home that much.
Also a lot of the hustle/bustle people in metros or hipster locations, if they do cook, always want daily fresh ingredients from the Trader Blows. A good portion of my former coworkers wouldn't think about keeping canned goods or a lot of frozen foods. They might cook something fresh on a Sunday in a big batch to bring to work for lunch for a few days that week, but that's the extent of leftovers or stored food.
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1239748037359988737?s=20
James Woods shared this lady's short video on Twitter. It is pretty good. "Y'all, it doesn't matter what we do. There are so many stupid people in this world, we are never going to survive anyway." =D
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Ammo supply drying up, what's left is jumping up in price.
And then there's Cheaper Than Dirt keeping with tradition and taking it to a whole new level, as in $980 for a case of 5.56
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/winchester-lake-city-5.56-nato-ammunition-1000-rounds-fmj-55-grains/FC-020892225084.html
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Slight tangent, but I'm getting sick of this. These people are retarded with their PC "Oh no xenophobia!" crap as their primary concern regarding a virus outbreak. Does anyone NOT know it as the Spanish Flu?
Also a good point I saw elsewhere - China is apparently waging a background propaganda war against us in an effort to blame the US for COVID. This is supposedly one of the reasons the Trump admin has been using "Chinese flu", as a defensive tactic. Yet the MSM is backing China via their PC outrage.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/david-frum-apologizes-for-his-spanish-flu-dumb-mistake-but-not-the-one-hes-getting-roasted-for/
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That was the first couple of days when the schools started shutting down.
I think things are going to calm the hell down given that a lot of people have laid in a lot of supplies.
Yes, there is some "I'll buy anything that I can! I can eat cat treats, right?" going on, but that's also going to start calming down as the first wave of panic monkeys realizes that they have 1,200 rolls of toilet paper and enough food to feed a small army for a month and no where to sit in their houses.
I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies. As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion. The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff. There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them. They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.
Based on what I'm seeing in my area I think it's going to be a good bit until stores can keep staples on the shelf. It's a psychological thing, not necessity. Even if folks already have a gallon of milk in the fridge they will remember when the shelves were completely empty and will be tempted to buy another gallon just in case, which means less milk for the next guy. The solution to that is going to be supply-side flooding. When people start to see full shelves for a few visits running then they'll calm down.
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I guess because of the chance of midwest tornados, severe winter blizzards, and old fashioned self reliant farm and frontier ancestry, we just live pretty well prepared all the time.
We didn't really NEED anything. Saturday my wife picked up some extra rice and a small amount of extra canned food. I topped off the gas tanks on 2 vehicles and plan on filling a couple diesel cans.
I went to the library for a stack of DVDs for the workbench player and a couple books before they locked it down yesterday (No TV or internet at casa Kingcreek except for iphone and limited data plan).
We currently have ZERO official positive COVIDs in our county but our Illinois governor, health dept, parks and DNR, everything is shutting down. Banks are locking lobby doors (should I have pulled some cash in addition to the $500 emergency cash we keep at home? Nah.)
It FEELS like a forced vacation but I cant go fishing at the state lake 1 mile from my house. I guess I'll do some work on my jeep and get started on overhauling my fishing boat. Nice enough today I might get my bicycle out for a ride, I just can't do my usual on the state park roads. Maybe I'll ride around the outside of it.
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1239748037359988737?s=20
James Woods shared this lady's short video on Twitter. It is pretty good. "Y'all, it doesn't matter what we do. There are so many stupid people in this world, we are never going to survive anyway." =D
Her point about the pin pad is a good one. I brought it up with GF 2 weeks ago, that every transaction, with cash or card, is going to be a transfer of biology. We discussed possibly carrying some sort of wipes to wipe down pin pads or POS machines, but determined it was too much of a pain, especially with the possibility of unintended keystrokes on touchpads.
Not sure if cash is going to be cleaner than plastic or not. Especially once you start getting into all the coin swapping.
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I did NOT buy ammo. wasn't even tempted.
I have many thousands of rounds already just sitting there and I could sit down and load another 10K with the components on hand.
I just have to try and live long enough to use it up!
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Her point about the pin pad is a good one. I brought it up with GF 2 weeks ago, that every transaction, with cash or card, is going to be a transfer of biology. We discussed possibly carrying some sort of wipes to wipe down pin pads or POS machines, but determined it was too much of a pain, especially with the possibility of unintended keystrokes on touchpads.
Not sure if cash is going to be cleaner than plastic or not. Especially once you start getting into all the coin swapping.
I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
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currently have ZERO official positive COVIDs in our county but our Illinois governor, health dept, parks and DNR, everything is shutting down. Banks are locking lobby doors (should I have pulled some cash in addition to the $500 emergency cash we keep at home? Nah.)
It FEELS like a forced vacation but I cant go fishing at the state lake 1 mile from my house. I guess I'll do some work on my jeep and get started on overhauling my fishing boat. Nice enough today I might get my bicycle out for a ride, I just can't do my usual on the state park roads. Maybe I'll ride around the outside of it.
Why can't you go fishing? No one is coughing on each other or in close proximity.
We went hiking this weekend. Four miles up a lovely riparian canyon full of oaks and pines and a roaring creek, not 10 miles away from a desert full of saguaros. We saw other hikers, including some Scouts. Everyone smiled and waved and kept polite distance, but enjoyed themselves.
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Cash is already disgusting. Store touch screens and pin pads are exactly why we don't touch our *expletive deleted*ing faces and wash our dirty hands.
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I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
That is good especially if you go to those places. =D
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I am at least happy that I stocked up on most things last month since we were already talking about this and what might happen (the reaction to it that is).
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Local Walmart passed out spray bottles of disinfectant the other day with instructions for the cashiers to wipe down the POS (Point of Sale pin pad) after each customer.
Some did/do, some don't....
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Cash is already disgusting. Store touch screens and pin pads are exactly why we don't touch our *expletive deleted*ing faces and wash our dirty hands.
I always cringe when I see someone stick some bills in their mouth to free up their hands to do something...
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Also a good point I saw elsewhere - China is apparently waging a background propaganda war against us in an effort to blame the US for COVID. This is supposedly one of the reasons the Trump admin has been using "Chinese flu", as a defensive tactic. Yet the MSM is backing China via their PC outrage.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/david-frum-apologizes-for-his-spanish-flu-dumb-mistake-but-not-the-one-hes-getting-roasted-for/
The MSM & dems started the groundwork for that a while back while C19 was still a nearly 100% Chinese problem. Anything to improve their odds come Nov 3rd.
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The MSM & dems started the groundwork for that a while back while C19 was still a nearly 100% Chinese problem. Anything to improve their odds come Nov 3rd.
Many of them are in bed with China in one way or another anyway. If not them, then their parent companies.
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We SHOULD pin this on the Chinese as much as possible, maybe start calling it the Xi-SARS or CCP-Death...
I tried the local Pig again last night- completely packed. I don't get it, if people are staying home, why do they need to pack the store at 5PM?
Drove on to Kwik Trip- they had nearly everything I needed- Hamburger, brats, bacon(was on sale!), eggs, milk, taco shells, etc. Unfortunately they were out of potatoes...
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We SHOULD pin this on the Chinese as much as possible, maybe start calling it the Xi-SARS or CCP-Death...
I tried the local Pig again last night- completely packed. I don't get it, if people are staying home, why do they need to pack the store at 5PM?
Drove on to Kwik Trip- they had nearly everything I needed- Hamburger, brats, bacon(was on sale!), eggs, milk, taco shells, etc. Unfortunately they were out of potatoes...
If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
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If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
Most of them are reducing hours. Even wally world has come off the 24/7 plan.
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"If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM."
Around here some of the stores are open 24 hours, especially the WalMarts.
The Wegman's across the street from my office has more typical hours for this area -- 6 a.m. to Midnight.
But, they have a HUGE sign out front saying the temporary hours are 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. They apparently need that extra hour to get stock off the trucks and onto the shelves before the *expletive deleted*it show starts again at 6 a.m.
I've hit it several times around 6:45. That's the earliest I can get to it.
Tomorrow morning I'm stopping by the big Walmart that's on my way to work to see if I can get ground turkey there.
But, if Giant is any indication, we might have hit peak monkey panic for now.
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Disregard
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If you have to go to the grocery store, do it at 5AM, not 5PM.
I'm on the road to work at 5AM though:/ The earliest anything opens is the pic and save which is a bit out of my way, that doesn't open until 6AM
Driving through my town last night, I noticed a lot of the shops were closed. Coffee shops, bars, retail shops, restaurants were mostly closed, Movie theater had on their Marque- Closed Until Further Notice, 2 pizza places were still open though. Library is closed, a church had a notice posted out front stating that they are closed for the rest of the month, McDonald's had all of the chairs on top the tables but the drive through was open. There were a lot of people out walking their dogs, which made it feel like thee was still some normality.
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The closest walmart changed their hours to 6am to 11PM.
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https://www.wboy.com/news/local/wal-mart-reduces-hours-nationwide-due-to-demand-for-supplies/ (https://www.wboy.com/news/local/wal-mart-reduces-hours-nationwide-due-to-demand-for-supplies/)
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Now it's blame Israel
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/rosanna-arquette-brings-us-to-the-blame-the-jews-phase-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-screenshot/
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Need to check Cash and Carry. If they have decent supplies and prices still it would be nice to get more pork belly for bacon, and maybe some beef or other pork to keep more variety in the freezer. Got plenty overall, just would like the extra variety.
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I've been using my credit card, with the chip in it, tit doesn't ask for a pin.
Google Pay for the win. Better hygiene both physically and electronically.
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It's always those pesky jooze...
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Breaking news...
US corona cases break 5,000, up 5 fold in the past week.
I guess that's what really happens when you get testing going... you find what's already there.
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Demolition Derby!
In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:
· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue
· Non-injury accidents
· Hit-and-run accidents
· Disorderly persons
· Intoxicated persons
· Reckless drivers
LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/lmpd-to-no-longer-respond-to-hit-and-run-wrecks/article_3fa29722-686a-11ea-9ae7-1fcf2d6fb288.html
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Bloody Tuesday.
Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs just announced it is expelling all the American reporters at Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.
And not allowing them to work in HONG KONG either. Unprecedented.https://t.co/OiwQ783v9l
— B. Allen-Ebrahimian (@BethanyAllenEbr) March 17, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/nyt-wapo-wsj-voa-and-time-reporters-told-to-leave-china-and-hong-kong/
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The Great Beer Virus War, Idaho Front:
Your intrepid reporter informing you from the Idaho Front. 17MAR20, 16:59 Zulu:
Costco: Got there at 0950 local, turned around, drove back home. While the parking lot was only 90% full, there were at least 200 people lined up to get in. I hadn't planned on buying any "popular panic supplies (PPS)" other than potatoes and some meat (but was going to go high end on the meat, which seems to remain stocked). I was hoping to get some more frozen meals from them as they usually have better quality than the "Acme" frozen stuff at the grocery store. I'm kinda wondering if the thing to do with Costco is to hit it mid-afternoon, after they've sold out of the PPS. Maybe less crowded, and they'll still have what I want. I'm going to Boise in the next day or two, so might time it to be driving by Costco on the way home around 1400 or so.
Smalltown USA Dollar Store: I usually don't stop here, but the Mrs Dash salt-free seasoning I like for my eggs is $40 on Amazon right now, and the Mrs Dash website said the Dollar store carried it. I got the last one, $3. Surprisingly though, they had a decent stock of what I would consider "emergency food". Well-stocked on canned stuff, cereals, even pasta. Maybe people don't think of them for food? Low inventory to sold out of the paper products, cleaning supplies, soaps.
Smalltown USA grocery store: Today was the first day I saw bare shelves at my store. From the beginning of my route to the end (note that EVERY product in the store for the first time had a limit of either 1 or 2): Lots of donuts. Plenty of onions. Zero potatoes. Almost all the fresh veggies were gone with the exception of asparagus. Small town, so I expect price to factor on that. I bought some since it's what I usually buy. Lots of chips. Lots of frozen pizzas, etc. Lots of cereal. Pretty bare in the disinfectant/soap/TP sections. Plenty of yogurt, half and half, and buttermilk, but zero regular milk of any kind. A few containers of almond and other hippie milk, but they always only have a few of those. Plenty of butter. I usually buy Kerrygold at Costco and I was out, so I settled for some Tillamook here. Bread shelves were empty, but the bread truck (regional bakery) had just rolled in and was filling them. Lots of lunch meat, and surprisingly, still a decent selection of regular cow meat in various cuts. Chicken was wiped out.
At the counter, I asked the checker about the potatoes and the milk. She told me the potatoes were just bought out this morning like every morning the past few days, but with the milk, their supplier canceled delivery as they had no product to deliver. Again, maybe the smaller mom and pops are getting screwed so the big guys with the money can get theirs?
With the milk, this will be my first dip into my emergency supplies. I'm out, so will be using the carnation instant milk. I have plenty of that for drinking or having with cereal, and a case of evaporated milk to use for cooking and stuff. I'm almost out of potatoes, so that was poor planning on my part. I'm still going to look for some before I break open my Auguson Farms tin of potatoes.
Oh, edit: My store was out of eggs too. More poor planning on my part. I still have a dozen and a half, and lots of powdered egg, but I've put off getting chickens. Had I gotten them last year, I'd be sitting pretty for eggs. I'm getting the coup (a nice one the previous owners left) in order in the next week or so and getting chicks.
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Irish stew on the stove
Irish whiskey in hand
Guinness on standby
Guess how I'm spending St. Patrick's day. *expletive deleted*ck this corona virus
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SWMBO is going to the homebrew shop this week. I have one keg, but no CO2 system. She's going to pick up a keg/CO2 system kit. Going to give her a shopping list for a batch of beer. Hopefully they have plenty.
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Oh, edit: My store was out of eggs too. More poor planning on my part. I still have a dozen and a half, and lots of powdered egg, but I've put off getting chickens. Had I gotten them last year, I'd be sitting pretty for eggs. I'm getting the coup (a nice one the previous owners left) in order in the next week or so and getting chicks.
While I can accept that every disaster plan should include provision for overthrowing the government, are you planning on unseating the county gummint or the state gummint? And what do chicks have to do with fomenting rebellion?
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I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop. The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.
In deployed news: they've closed down the gyms, fast food, MWRs, and coffee shops in theater, and the PX's are running low on tobacco products and energy drinks. We may kill the entire mideast before the US civilians notice.
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While I can accept that every disaster plan should include provision for overthrowing the government, are you planning on unseating the county gummint or the state gummint?
Huh. I would have thought the COVID-19 would have already killed off the grammar nazis and autocorrect nazis, since they have such sensitive constitutions.
=D
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I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop. The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.
My supermarket is a regional chain and they've done that. They now close at 8:00 p.m. rather than 11:00 p.m., and they are opening early (06:00) and setting aside 06:00 to 07:30 for people over the age of 60 only. Considering that I'm in the at-risk category for multiple reasons in addition to my age, I may avail myself of that opportunity to shop with somewhat less risk.
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Huh. I would have thought the COVID-19 would have already killed off the grammar nazis and autocorrect nazis, since they have such sensitive constitutions.
=D
You didn't know about the grammar zombies?
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I've seen several facebook posts from my friends sharing grocery stores that are leaving aside 1-2 hours in the mornings where only seniors can shop. The left being the left, I anticipate age discrimination lawsuits any time now.
I was planning on checking in with my elderly neighbor lady this week to see if she needs anything picked up...
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Iowa is pretty much shut down. Schools are closed until mid April, bars and eat in restaurants closed until the end of the March.
This sucks.
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SWMBO is going to the homebrew shop this week. I have one keg, but no CO2 system. She's going to pick up a keg/CO2 system kit. Going to give her a shopping list for a batch of beer. Hopefully they have plenty.
I'm going this afternoon.
I have enough honey on hand to start a batch of mead. I may pick up some pineapples and habanero peppers for a habanero pineapple melomel. But I need yeast for it, and I'd like to start 1 batch of beer now and have grains on hand for one more batch of beer in 2 weeks. Got kegs and CO2 is at acceptable levels. Have bottles a-plenty to set up 5 gallons of mead in 2-3 months.
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Looks like my shop is breaking us into A and B teams, alternating 1 week on, 1 week off.
Not sure how that affects me since I'm the only tech writer on the project.
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Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
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Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
This is good news for me. Going through a divorce, have no-contact with wife, tax deadline was another stresser in my life that I don't want to deal with.
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The Wuhan epidemic anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZGahvrep3o
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Iowa is pretty much shut down. Schools are closed until mid April, bars and eat in restaurants closed until the end of the March.
This sucks.
How about used car dealers? I was planning to drive thru there in a few days on my way home to look at a truck (near Coon Rapids, IA) https://www.exiraauto.com/used-2012-chevrolet-silverado-1500-reg-cab-4y4-v5168108.html
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626
That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.
What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
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Xi visits all 15 people left in Wuhan City... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/world/asia/coronavirus-china-xi-jinping.html
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How about used car dealers? I was planning to drive thru there in a few days on my way home to look at a truck (near Coon Rapids, IA) https://www.exiraauto.com/used-2012-chevrolet-silverado-1500-reg-cab-4y4-v5168108.html
Call first, all I can say
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626
That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.
What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
So Italy has universal testing now?
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As expected SC governor has ordered all bars and restaurants and so on closed (except
for takeout/delivery)
He is requesting store to put limits on items and allow special hours for senior citizens only and encouraging those able to work from home to do so/be allowed to do so.
This is going to be a huge hit to our state economy because tourist season was about to open with spring break. I don’t think we have faced something with such economic impact since WWII. It’s unprecedented and it’s going to be wild
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I’m going to make a prediction..in two months I won’t have a job...
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https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-in-chicago-air-traffic-workers-at-midway-airport-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-19-cases-soar-deaths-top-2-500-in-italy/1769626
That's nudging up on a 10% death rate, and most people haven't recovered yet.
What's more, that number of deaths is comparable to what China was reporting for months, which only further proves that the Chinese have indeed been lying about this (shocker, eh?)
1) Higher per capita average age.
2) Their health care system in the primary area being affected is overwhelmed. Doctors are triaging the worst cases and letting people die.
I was doing some more reading on Korea and why they only hit a .6 and snuffed the spread so fast.
So most of the cases were in that christian cult. And a large number of them were under 40.
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I don't think all that many people got a lot of supplies. As with most hoarding events a few did, but they were buying a bunch if not to depletion. The next people saw low stock and bought what was left and then a bunch of other stuff. There are plenty of people out there who don't have a lot of staples and weren't able to buy them. They won't starve - plenty of calories are still available - but they aren't able to buy what they want or as cheaply as they want, so when they see a staple they'll buy more than usual which will push this on even longer.
Based on what I'm seeing in my area I think it's going to be a good bit until stores can keep staples on the shelf. It's a psychological thing, not necessity. Even if folks already have a gallon of milk in the fridge they will remember when the shelves were completely empty and will be tempted to buy another gallon just in case, which means less milk for the next guy. The solution to that is going to be supply-side flooding. When people start to see full shelves for a few visits running then they'll calm down.
Had to pick up a prescription (in my state) and I may have been wrong. They had purchase limits but some staples were restocked. Still a lot of empty shelves but seemed a little better (in my area).
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Tulsa is shutting down all dine-in bar and restaurant operations as of midnight tonight. the Indian casinos are closing their doors.
I'm still at the point where I am more concerned with people idiots going out of their way to cause trouble than I am with the virus pandemic.
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Only in California: Cannabis sales are way up, including doorstep delivery.
https://www.independent.com/2020/03/17/cannabis-sales-surge-under-covid-19/
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Groceries weren’t bad today so long as you weren’t buying chicken, rice, or bread (bakery section still had loaf French and Italian)
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Guy just came out of Green Valley Ranch and told me the governor's shut down all casinos in Vegas. I assume that also means all of Nevada.
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Got an e-mail from Costco saying they're going to limit the number of people at one time in their stores. No mention of what the limit would be.
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Now the commies in congress want to make canceling all student debt part of the virus response package. This whole response bill is nothing but a vehicle for free stuff. I'm wondering if even 10% of it is operational funding for virus response. I'd be pretty happy to see a tactical nuke hit DC right about now.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pressley-warren-say-next-coronavirus-spending-package-should-include-student-debt-cancellation
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CBI (Colorado Bureau of Investigation) is saying back ground checks have doubled (but I missed the time period.)
People are speculating why. Har-har-har.
Ski areas are closed, "Authorities" are speculating that this may make more idjits people ski in prohibited areas, are offering the usual advice about skiing buddies, comm devices, etc. Reports from surviving victims of avalanches are that the most horrifying thing, even if you have a pocket of air, is there's no way to tell which way is up.
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Going to start being a buffet for criminals
Police in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on Tuesday suspended arrests for what they consider to be low-level offenses and violations late in the day.
The Fraternal Order of Police announced that they would not be making arrests for vandalism, prostitution, narcotics offenses, burglary, theft, economic fraud, stolen cars, and outstanding bench warrants following the closure of Philadelphia courts until at least April 1.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/03/17/philadelphia-suspends-low-level-arrests-amid-concern-over-wuhan-virus-n2565153
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From one of the gun stores here. I particularly note that they said background checks are lagging. With a CCW permit you can skip the background check in Idaho, but I again wonder how these purchase delays sit with people. Especially people in favor of waiting periods, etc. You know there have to be some liberals contributing to this run on guns and ammo.
Retail Stores: currently we are taking precautions in our retail store locations, and at this time retail stores are open. Phone lines were unable to be answered due to the huge influx of customers, so we have temporarily disabled them. We are trying to respond to emails related to store backorders, but all employees are trying their best to help in-store customers, restock, and clean. Product, especially ammo, is moving off the shelves at a very rapid rate, and we are doing our best to stay as stocked as possible. There are long lines at registers, we apologize for that and are working to fix it, but to get new registers up and running and new employees trained won't help us in the short term. Also, government background check systems are overloaded, and approvals are coming back very slowly. This is out of our control. If you need to, you can place your gun on a layaway and come back later or on a following day.
Ranges: ranges are open as normal and operating with normal business hours.
Internet Orders: product is disappearing at an extremely rapid rate, and we are doing our best to grab as much product for our customers as possible; however, in times of crises we cannot guarantee that we will be able to fill every order. Apologies if this happens to you. Our computer systems update from suppliers every few minutes, but product can disappear before we have a chance to react. Leadtimes may be extended past the time that you are initially quoted. Again, this is due to supply disruption. It is possible that if our suppliers stop shipping product, that we may have to put outstanding orders on a temporary hold, until the situation resolves itself. You will be notified if this occurs. Again, we try to plan ahead for these types of events, but this situation is affecting the entire supply chain. Phones are currently disabled as we don't have the manpower to process orders, move product, and answer phones-- you will still be able to contact us via email and we will strive to get back with you as soon as possible.
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My wife just had a wedding gig in May cancelled since the groom and most of the family won't be allowed to fly in...
First personal financial hit we've taken. (And it's nothing compared to most small businesses- we don't rely on her earnings. They're just nice to have.)
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Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Finally got around to filing last night. Wonder how long it will take to get the refund.
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Looks like the Treasury is extending tax season by 90 days.
Doesn't matter to me, I filed 2 weeks ago and should have both refunds by tomorrow.
Sweet, I can hold onto my 5 grand for another three months!
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Local Pig was empty at 7:30 last night. Picked up 5lb bacon, 5lb cod, 5lb hamburger, more bratwurst, and bread. I'm now set for awhile.
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"Reports from surviving victims of avalanches are that the most horrifying thing, even if you have a pocket of air, is there's no way to tell which way is up."
That's why you spit. Your spit will tell you which way is up.
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Now I'm wondering if panic buying will ramp back up again. I just heard on the news (broadcast from some city somewhere), that while Costco and Target are both limiting hours (and Costco people at anyone time), they are both also considering completely closing. If warehouse stores like Costco and Sam's talk about closing, that's going to cause a second big round of panic buying, IMO.
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Now I'm wondering if panic buying will ramp back up again. I just heard on the news (broadcast from some city somewhere), that while Costco and Target are both limiting hours (and Costco people at anyone time), they are both also considering completely closing. If warehouse stores like Costco and Sam's talk about closing, that's going to cause a second big round of panic buying, IMO.
I promise it will. The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests. The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive. When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves. Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested. They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.
I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks. Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
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My wife just had a wedding gig in May cancelled since the groom and most of the family won't be allowed to fly in...
First personal financial hit we've taken. (And it's nothing compared to most small businesses- we don't rely on her earnings. They're just nice to have.)
My older daughter and her husband are musicians. This plus the loss of student music lessons is definitely hitting them. (He also does instrument repair, but that's got a high "social distancing" score.)
Any Gov't freebie money (if and when) will prob. go to helping them and other kids & grandkids stay solvent and provided for.
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My brother the nurse BookFace messaged me this:
I signed up at work to man the corona isolation unit once cases ramp up. We will get to wear negative pressure helmets and 'bunny suits'.
Asked about danger pay and got no answer...
There's one case in his county, last I heard.
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/people-with-blood-type-a-might-be-more-susceptible-to-coronavirus-study-finds/
Researchers studying COVID-19 in its outbreak epicenter, Wuhan, and the city of Shenzhen found the proportion of type A patients both infected and killed by the disease to be “significantly” higher than those with the same blood type in the general public.
Type O patients, meanwhile, made up a smaller proportion of both those infected and killed by the virus.
Another factor to throw in the mix maybe.
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22 cases in a nursing home in the town south of me.
For a reference point County Line Rd runs along our cities. The two counties are Cook (contains Chicago) and Dupage Co.
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How about a little bit of good news for a change:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
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UPDATE: Conspiracy-bro is no longer talking about how the virus was engineered to only affect Asians.
Stay tuned.
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How about a little bit of good news for a change:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
Let's hope the FDA and CDC actually let people use it.
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I promise it will. The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests. The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive. When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves. Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested. They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.
I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks. Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
You are right about the lag time. Once the tests roll out by the millions you will see a significant jump in positives here in the US, but then again I believe it will drive down the mortality because so many will test positive and still be walking among us, in a manner of speaking.
bob
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How about a little bit of good news for a change:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china/ar-BB11llda?ocid=spartanntp
Unit 731?
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Let's hope the FDA and CDC actually let people use it.
California is already doing the paper work to get it declared a possible carcinogen
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You are right about the lag time. Once the tests roll out by the millions you will see a significant jump in positives here in the US, but then again I believe it will drive down the mortality because so many will test positive and still be walking among us, in a manner of speaking.
bob
I think Florida's lack of consistency will give us a higher mortality rate. Their population skews older. But I would bet we are south of Italy's percentages overall when this shakes out.
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22 cases in a nursing home in the town south of me.
For a reference point County Line Rd runs along our cities. The two counties are Cook (contains Chicago) and Dupage Co.
would not want to be running a nursing home right now.
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would not want to be running a nursing home right now.
Wouldn't want to BE in a Nursing Home right now.
bob
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Wouldn't want to BE in a Nursing Home right now.
bob
This x1,000,000
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Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.
None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
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I haven’t run my Honda generator for awhile. I think I’ll dump the fuel and refill with some new cheap gas and run it tomorrow.
I’m going try the Costco thing tomorrow also. 50 miles away but gas is 1.75 there compared to 2.30 here and I have a couple empty cans. If I don’t have to wait in line I’ll pick up some wine and coffee and some ribs.
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I promise it will. The US is still suffering from a serious lagtime on tests. The media will report the raw number, without reporting how many are actually critical vs. just positive. When cases jump dramatically in the next 7 days, people will *expletive deleted*it themselves. Even the death toll will jump, because there are people who doctors know are critically ill now, but can't be tested. They'll be tested post mortem and added to the numbers.
I would not want to live in any major metropolitan area in the next 2 weeks. Things are going to get *expletive deleted*ing ugly.
Annndd that's why people are stocking up on TP :rofl:
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Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.
None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
Same.
Saw it on Facetoob last night "A month ago everyone made fun of you for being a prepper or homeschooler, now everyone is a prepper and homeschooler."
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Might be a tangent, but what percentage of the population do you guys think will have learned a lesson about being prepared? I have spent the last 20 or more years being made fun of by family, friends, frenemies, whoever, because of my one open and two unopened cases of TP, the couple of cases of MREs, the bags of rice and beans, freeze dried foods, etc. The generators, batteries, water purification, etc.
None of them are laughing now. However, I have to wonder how long that will last? Lots of people now talk about having emergency supplies on hand, but I have to wonder how many of them will create a stock of emergency supplies after everything is back to normal and there is an abundance of supplies. My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. That might be optimistic. Five years from now, half that 10% will say, "This is stupid" and stop doing it.
You may be right about the percentage who will learn. I think some people need to learn the prepping lesson personally in order for that to stay in their thinking.
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My guess is that this time next year there might be an extra 10% of the population that keeps at least a week's supply of stuff around. T
That sounds about right. I do think the empty store shelves are having a significant psychological effect so it will stick with some people.
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For a supply-side report, if y'all will remember I drive for a large meat packing company and last Friday the trailer drop yard here was packed to overflowing. Today it's practically a ghost town. Basically just us 5 company drivers based here and a few other regulars around. And other trucks only drifting in occasionally. Don't know what's happening on the live side since that's half a mile from here.
The truck stops aren't empty but they're far from jumping too. Not sure what that means considering the heavy demands on supplies.
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https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article241254951.html
Fort Worth police won’t arrest people for low-level crimes amid coronavirus outbreak
I bet this is happening all over even if it is not a set policy. Stay safe.
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I've got a good tractor and the ground is soft.
SSS
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This looks interesting.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ)
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This looks interesting.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/?fbclid=IwAR2GUlpLIr5xxRrYn5_w388mNy_lCUugPAym3COVYgH4CqYaTYWo7P6itSQ)
I listened to a medical podcast last week suggesting zinc with quinolone was effective
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Giant food store near my office has more produce than I've seen in a week. Pretty much some quantity of everything you'd expect to see. I didn't check out eggs or milk.
Meat is still sketchy, but there was some ground beef, some ground turkey, and some lesser cuts of beef (chuck roast, that sort of thing). Also some pork chops.
Toilet tissue, paper towels? Nope.
Signs everywhere asking people not to be aholes and buy more than they needed.
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Giant food store near my office has more produce than I've seen in a week. Pretty much some quantity of everything you'd expect to see. I didn't check out eggs or milk.
Meat is still sketchy, but there was some ground beef, some ground turkey, and some lesser cuts of beef (chuck roast, that sort of thing). Also some pork chops.
Toilet tissue, paper towels? Nope.
Signs everywhere asking people not to be aholes and buy more than they needed.
I suspect food supplies will stabilize. We should see more runs on food, but not like the initial one.
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I had to run to the farm store in Ontario, OR (Hi 230RN!) and decided to stop at the Albertsons there. They were surprisingly well-stocked. I picked up the milk I couldn't get yesterday as well as some polish sausage for my breakfast scrambles (they had sausages, but most meats were in short supply). I forgot to look for *expletive deleted*ing eggs though! :mad:
They were out of TP and cleaning supplies and also out of all the varieties of your typical "wonder bread" type sliced breads. Comically, this Albertsons has a bakery and the fresh bread shelves were full. Sold out of potatoes.
Decided to try my little store (in an undisclosed location in a certain state) again for the potatoes. No go, but I picked up some tri-tip since my store still seems to stay well-stocked in good cuts of cow meat. The checker told me they are now not even getting potato deliveries and hoping maybe something comes in on Friday. It's cracking me up that the potato state is out of potatoes.
So what I'm learning is that even in the same general region, supplies can really vary by store. Meat at my store, but not at Albertsons; full shelves of milk at Albertsons, but empty milk shelves at my store. In fact the checker at my store told me her sister spent half the day yesterday driving to eight different stores to fill her shopping list .Her sister also did the same thing I did yesterday: showed up to Costco, saw the lines and said, "screw this!" and turned around.
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This morning my little small town regional grocery chain had a good supply of meat including lunch meat stuff. Milk cooler was low but not empty, produce looked reasonably well stocked. Rice and dried beens were low and selection was poor but the canned veggies was fairly well stocked. Bread shelves had the usual selection of the cheaper brands. They actually had 5 4-roll packs of cheap TP, I bought one, the store has a limit of one pack per customer per day. Plenty of bottled water.
I've got a 30 gallon trashcan full of sawdust from my planer, I tink it is time to learn how to make paper from wood pulp. :rofl:
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The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what? ;/
Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
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The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what? ;/
Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
Well, since the fed is loaning money to banks at 0% interest now.....
The only way you get this to work is suspend mortgage payments like Italy. Most rentals are privately owned, and leveraged. Joe the private investor has a couple town homes, he put 10% down on them and bought them from foreclosure. He's still making a mortgage payment, which was leveraged off of the rental history on said property.
I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks.
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Well, since the fed is loaning money to banks at 0% interest now.....
The only way you get this to work is suspend mortgage payments like Italy. Most rentals are privately owned, and leveraged. Joe the private investor has a couple town homes, he put 10% down on them and bought them from foreclosure. He's still making a mortgage payment, which was leveraged off of the rental history on said property.
I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks.
As a formerly Joe the private investor landlord, while I don't like the free money idea, I would accept that it would work if I got to skip mortgage payments (though I would still have prop taxes, insurance, need to repair damages, etc). "Rent relief" is better absorbed by corporate landlords, and the problem is that AOC and her ilk think every residential rental is owned by a corporation or fat cat or something, not some schmuck looking to to try and make retirement money on top of their 9-5 job so as not to live off the largess of the gov.
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I'm not saying I support the idea, but I like it better than just throwing money at the airlines or the banks.
Yup, there are a lot of bad bailout options but some are significantly worse than others.
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The ditzoid "econ major" from the Bronx is insisting on "rent suspension" as part of the virus response. So renters don't pay rent, the property owners don't have money for the mortgage, then what? ;/
Also, I'd be curious to see just how well this would work out if it's over say, six months from now. If someone's paying $1000/mo x 6 months = $6000, will they pay the landlord the six grand back at that time? Or will they say the spent the money and can't pay it back? Since the new rules also call for a ban on evictions, that'll work out nice, for one of the parties at least.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-progressives-coronavirus-relief
<AOC>"It's just all numbers. You're confusing me."</AOC>
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I had to go to the store yesterday. I decided to go to the small country town Food Lion, rather than the one closer to the city.
There were only two things I was buying that had taken a serious hit. Bottled water (which I expected) and cheese... Yes, cheese. ??? Of course the paper products aisle was a barren wasteland. The microwave dinner section had also been seriously riffled through but most items where not significantly depleted. Produce had taken a hit, but there were still a lot of things. All in all, it looked like a thundering herd had come through and left most things behind.
The only thing that this changes for me right now is postponing job hunting. Other than that I was already "self isolating". The only problem is that this was a nice and much needed isolation in January. February, I started getting tetchy, but I had a drain and stitches up the top of my ass. Now, I'm ready to go back out into the world and the world had shut down. :facepalm:
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the world didn't want to deal with the stitches in your ass, either, I guess... :rofl:
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Things are looking up. Following the Italy curve, we're only a few days away from free P0rnhub Premium! :rofl:
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the world didn't want to deal with the stitches in your ass, either, I guess... :rofl:
Yeah, well, thanks to my newly diagnosed skin condition, I might be finding out what the world thinks of stitches in my boobs too.
You watch. This Corvid 19 *expletive deleted*it will all clear up right as they decide they need to cut me again. :facepalm:
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I had to go to the store yesterday. I decided to go to the small country town Food Lion, rather than the one closer to the city.
There were only two things I was buying that had taken a serious hit. Bottled water (which I expected) and cheese... Yes, cheese. ??? Of course the paper products aisle was a barren wasteland. The microwave dinner section had also been seriously riffled through but most items where not significantly depleted. Produce had taken a hit, but there were still a lot of things. All in all, it looked like a thundering herd had come through and left most things behind.
At a supermarket in St. Louis County, the usual wall of luncheon meats was reduced to just a few packages. I hear that's not uncommon these days.
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Lunch meat and cheese have been spotty when I've looked.
A day or so ago I hit the Wegman's across the street from my office and the sliced and shredded cheese section was pretty full. Yesterday at Giant when I stopped, it was pretty spotty.
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Yeah, except lunch meat and bread were good. So was the cracker aisle and wine was pretty well stocked, so I don't know what they're doing with the cheese. ???
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Lunch meat has been well-stocked everywhere I've been. I've been surprised as most of that stuff has like a couple of weeks of shelf life in the fridge, and is easy to toss in the freezer.
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Chicago Midway Airport control tower shuts down.
https://wgntv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/control-tower-at-midway-temporarily-closed-after-several-technicians-test-positive-for-covid-19/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwgntv.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2Fcontrol-tower-at-midway-temporarily-closed-after-several-technicians-test-positive-for-covid-19%2F
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Yeah, except lunch meat and bread were good. So was the cracker aisle and wine was pretty well stocked, so I don't know what they're doing with the cheese. ???
Everyone's got their kids home. I know a lot of people who normally let their kids buy lunch, are now responsible for feeding the kids at home.
We usually make them take a lunch 4/5 days a week, so we generally have lunch stuff. And since they're home, they can eat leftovers etc.
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I'm the Toilet Paper King!
Sams got a shipment of TP just as I got there.
45 rolls per case, 400 cases in the shipment (I asked)
Limit 2
All gone in minutes.
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Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
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Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Not yet.
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I wonder how spring break + many retirees in Florida will work out?
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/spring-break-backlash-amid-coronavirus-outbreak
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/coronavirus-questions-answered-grocery-store-trips-pregnant-women
I just read the above and it reminded me of what I forgot to report in today's shopping report: Nobody seems to know what "social distancing" is. People were all within a couple of feet of each other in the checkout lines today. I will say that I saw several seniors wearing surgical masks, nitrile gloves, or both. Good for them, especially on the gloves. Everywhere I've been that sells them is pretty much fully stocked, even though IMO and based on my reading, gloves are about 10X better prevention than a mask.
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Reading some people are putting up Christmas lights.
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Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
They might as well pull the trigger on that, put the final nail in the coffin of the US economy and any chance Trump had of reelection. ;/
And the MSM and TPTB had damn well better start this whole BS panic business each and every year from here on out at the beginning of every flu season. It would make a whole lot more sense. :facepalm:
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They might as well pull the trigger on that, put the final nail in the coffin of the US economy and any chance Trump had of reelection.
And the MSM and TPTB had damn well better start this whole panic business each and every year from here on out at the beginning of every flu election season year.
FIFY
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Talked to my boss today. The only customers (other than any resturants) we have that have closed up are the library, and a local social services agency. I would not be surprised if the courthouse I deal with a lot mostly closed up.
He's expecting me to be out the rest of the month, in my impromptu personal isolation. I have a dr. checkup coming Monday, and I will ask him if my state warrants that.
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I had a dental cleaning appointment next week. Just a couple of days ago the dentist sent an email about how they're being extra careful sterilizing things and that they are open for business as usual. After the press conference this morning, they're now calling all their patients and rescheduling elective procedures until May. I just got my call a few minutes ago.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Katie texted. 50% of her staff is out. Asked if I wanted to work. I GET TO DO STUFF!!!
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My daughter's PT for a hip injury has been cancelled going forward as of yesterday.
I have a cardiology consult, but the soonest I could get in was May 8 when I made the appointment. I'm hoping that doesn't get cancelled.
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So far I still have PT for my left shoulder twice a week going forward. I still have an appointment with my Ortho surgeon tomorrow afternoon to discuss the MRI results for my right shoulder. I dropped off the MRI CD at the office this afternoon, all the office people were wearing masks. My wife still has to see the wound care doc 3 days a week, she said all the staff there are now wearing masks full time.
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Okay, now I'm rooting for the virus...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1240371160078000128
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/if-i-get-corona-i-get-corona-youth-on-spring-break-arent-going-to-let-the-coronavirus-stop-them-from-partying-video/
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Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Friend's wife got a call today while she was working remotely from home. Front office required her to come in no later than Friday (but ideally right now!) to fill out paperwork to be declared an essential worker or something so she could travel to work regularly. Works in a lab that's doing Chinese Death Flu research. Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down is coming.
That bit of gossip is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down in coming.
That bit of gossip is worth exactly what you paid for it.
I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home. If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
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:police:
Multiple police departments in Southern California say they have been receiving more 911 calls from residents concerned that their coughing neighbor may have the coronavirus.
Californians are calling 911 on their coughing neighbors
https://www.foxnews.com/us/californians-calling-911-coughing-neighbors
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I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home. If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
It's appreciated, thanks.
I was chatting with my buddy while his wife was off doing whatever paperwork stuff her lab wanted, should know more tomorrow.
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Haven't heard any talk of any kind of lock down locally yet.
Since I maintain critical communication infrastructure at a critical central office I suspect that were I not on short term disability I would be listed as essential personnel in the event of a full on lockdown.
I've got about 3 weeks left before I anticipate going back to work.
We do indeed live in interesting times.
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I am considered essential personnel. Had the day off today for a dentist appointment that got cancelled, so I worked from home. If I get to work tomorrow and get a new ID or any kind of papers, I let you guys know.
FWIW, this is in Ashland County, since we're both in Ohio.
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Friend's wife got a call today while she was working remotely from home. Front office required her to come in no later than Friday (but ideally right now!) to fill out paperwork to be declared an essential worker or something so she could travel to work regularly. Works in a lab that's doing Chinese Death Flu research. Scuttlebutt is a 2 week lock down is coming.
I heard something similar - one to two week shelter in place being announced Friday. No clue whether it is true or not, or what that means.
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I guess I can kinda see why even liberals are wanting guns and ammo now:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/aclu-calls-for-immediate-release-of-prisoners-most-susceptible-to-the-coronavirus/
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I guess I can kinda see why even liberals are wanting guns and ammo now:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/18/aclu-calls-for-immediate-release-of-prisoners-most-susceptible-to-the-coronavirus/
Why though? They are getting the prison reform that they wanted.
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Anyone hearing anything about a national shelter in place announcement?
Nada. But that will suck, because I really might kill the family if I can't ride the bike.
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2 congress critters have it now. One from each party.
https://news.yahoo.com/florida-republican-first-member-congress-232744837.html
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LAS tower now
https://twitter.com/8NewsNow/status/1240516526467420160
This is about to wreak havoc on whats left of air travel, because the FAA didn't have a plan.
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Same.
Saw it on Facetoob last night "A month ago everyone made fun of you for being a prepper or homeschooler, now everyone is a prepper and homeschooler."
While as usual, the MSM likes to focus on the "doomsday preppers" when they talk about "preppers", it's comments like this (from the comment section) that make guns a main "prepping" supply:
It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/preppers-avoiding-panic-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-us
I also like how a large portion of the comments blame people who collected supplies before people panicked as responsible for panic buying and shortages.
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Stopped by the store on my way to work, as we are out of Kale.
So is Kroger. I got the LAST bag of spinach.
They had some potatoes. Not a lot, but maybe 20 bags and one of their loose potato areas was full.
Had bread. Some areas were empty, but still had a decent amount.
Had milk. Seemed to be completely full of every type. (But had a ration of 3 per customer... my family goes through 4 a week. I bought 3 so I could come back later for more.)
Saw people walking around with TP in their carts, so they had at least some of that.
I thought I'd take a look at the powdered milk, what with all the rumors about everyone having to shelter in place for 2 weeks. It was all gone. Related- did you know you can buy canned goat's milk?
In any case, things are not normal, still, but are more normal than earlier this week. (It was also first thing in the morning. That may be part of the reason for product being on shelves.)
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More hard hitting journalism
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/business-booming-for-cam-girls-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
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Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?
Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria. No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room. This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA. The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass. Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
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Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?
Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
Right or wrong, Trump is now pushing through the soical solutions that were mostly proposed by democrats to help the economy through this. I'm sure they will find something else to criticize though.
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Omar? Are they sure that's the same Omar?
Ilhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
So either she wants something or I should be worried about something Trump is already doing. Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.
(fixed my writing)
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So either she wants something or I should be worried about someone Trump is already doing. Maybe she is trying to keep the justice department off her back.
I'm with Jamis on this - the administration is pushing some relief policies that are the wet dreams of Omar, Bernie, etc. Once the MSM starts reporting that "free stuff" (hopefully) won't be permanent, they'll start hating on him again.
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"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."
You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
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"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."
You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
They want Stalin because they're all convinced they're going to be the one who will be Stalin.
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"It’s time the government steps in and confiscates what these “preppers” have been hoarding all these years. Hoarding as we now see is evil. The only venerable thing that people should have been allowed to hoard all these years is money and thats only if its been in a bank or in the form of real estate."
You want Stalin? Because that's how you get Stalin.
I missed it, which talking head shared that timeless gem of wisdom?
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Potentially relevant to the shelter in place speculation, it seems the American Trucking Association took some concerns to the President yesterday, most specifically the fact that states are closing rest areas. After that meeting states are now reopening rest areas and service plazas that had been closed. That would seem to contradict a federal plan for sheltering in place to me.
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Potentially relevant to the shelter in place speculation, it seems the American Trucking Association took some concerns to the President yesterday, most specifically the fact that states are closing rest areas. After that meeting states are now reopening rest areas and service plazas that had been closed. That would seem to contradict a federal plan for sheltering in place to me.
During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work. I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.
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I missed it, which talking head shared that timeless gem of wisdom?
No talking head, just one of the sheep in the public comments section of the article. Nothing new. Besides making fun of me, many of my old coworkers always said, "Why should I take up space keeping supplies? I can just go to Ben's house if something happens."
That's pretty standard for the sheep. Why prepare yourself when the government or whoever will take care of you?
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No talking head, just one of the sheep in the public comments section of the article. Nothing new. Besides making fun of me, many of my old coworkers always said, "Why should I take up space keeping supplies? I can just go to Ben's house if something happens."
That's pretty standard for the sheep. Why prepare yourself when the government or whoever will take care of you?
If ever there was a comment that deserved the Doc Holiday "I'm your huckleberry" GIF response, that's it.
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My business area was told yesterday afternoon that we are being sent home, with the expectation that we will be back to work on April 2nd. The intention is that we "break the chain" of transmission by pseudo-quarantining. Nicely, a charge number has been provided. They told us that we are effectively on call if anything mission critical comes up, so stay in town and sober during normal working hours.
Someone with three stars on their shoulder ultimately made this decision (I support the DoD), if that gives you an idea of the scope and gravity. I was surprised that it came relatively quickly, instead of two weeks from now.
In other news, yesterday afternoon Costco did have paper towels and bottled water, but did not have toilet paper. As others have observed, premium meats were present. I did not see any chicken products in the butcher's case. 24-can suitcases of Irish Death were available, and the wine isle was well stocked.
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During any extended shelter in place there will be some people who will be allowed to work. I could see truckers being exempted, along with grocery workers, medical, police, fire, etc.
Yup. We received guidance that we carry our PIV cards because they "should" suffice if we're stopped by the police in areas where shelter in place is in effect.
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Having truck drivers stop at rest areas would seem to be better than stopping at truck stops if the purpose is to avoid contact.
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Given the "Shelter in Place" mandates coming down regionally and that certain employees are classified as "essential" and allowed to move about during such mandates and if stopped by roadblocks or cops are allowed to go about their business... how does one become one of those essential employees and get documentation as such?
My company is 100% telecommuting right now. I maintain our datacenter which is hosted at an Iron Mountain datacenter here in Phoenix. Due to budget constraints, our DC is not particularly fault tolerant (it's mostly a dev/qa/support sandbox, no real production resources) and there are a handful of things that can happen that require physical presence to resolve. I'd hate to get arrested or quarantined for heading into Iron Mountain.
Which tier of government is deciding what companies are "essential?" Or do companies get to choose to classify any of their employees as "essential" and disclose that information to... what tier of government and office? Or is it all an informal classification, a "Scout's Honor" kind of thing?
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I haven't heard of any shelter-in-place in my area. If it were done here, the local county Emergency Management Coordinator would be the one to talk to. Here, that man works for the County Sheriff.
We often get letters from the county for critical plant personnel to return to the area to evaluate and restart after a hurricane.
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Next week is my "work from home" week... and the company that I'm subbed to is actually looking at bringing us into their facility, which kind of *expletive deleted*ing defeats the entire purpose of sending us out of here.
I already told my boss, and she agrees, that I'm getting the hell out of Northern Virginia Saturday morning. I'm of the belief that we're very likely going to see a shelter in place order for Northern Virginia pretty soon and I don't want to be here when it happens, mainly because of trying to take care of Seren.
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I'm waiting for the phone call to be part of the emergency management team. Governor basically issued that order the other day, figured it is just a matter of time with the escalation of the numbers infected increasing every day.
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria. No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room. This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA. The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass. Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
"I'm from the government ... I'm here to help."
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Having truck drivers stop at rest areas would seem to be better than stopping at truck stops if the purpose is to avoid contact.
Gotta have both. Parking for the legally required breaks has been a huge problem for drivers for years now but no one wants trucks around. Unless they're bringing TP in which case they're a hero until they're unloaded and then it's gtfo.
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Jesus *expletive deleted*ing christ on a flaming pogo stick.
How stupid is my agency?
We have several small break rooms, and a large cafeteria. No cafeteria service, so it's just a big lunch room. This gives people options and opportunity to spread out on breaks and lunch.
Guess which room they are closing this week?
THE *expletive deleted*ing CAFETERIA. The room literally has no soft furniture and is all tile and glass. Besides copious amounts of sunlight, it's easy to clean.
Which means everyone will be confined to the 2 break rooms for lunches or on break.
JFC.
The agency I support has just issued updated guidance. Currently 50% of the team works 1 week, the other 50% the other week.
They're now cutting that back to 25% of people at the office, with the other 25% in an on-call status.
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"Shelter in place". "Hey, we have a hammer! That looks a little like a nail! Hit it, quick!"
Idiots. What do they think is going to happen after the order is lifted? The virus is magically going to disappear?
This is going to continue until we either find a vaccine and time to make it and distribute it, or until enough people get sick, recover and have antibodies. They may be able to lower the rate of infection a bit, but it is going to come right back- then what are the going to do? close down the country again?
They are going to deal a very severe blow to the economy with all the panic. All the people out of work, all the downstream jobs that support them gone, it is going to leave a wreckage field. The most severe will be small biz, those without the pull to suck up for free money.
As far as I can tell, after reading past the headlines, this doom virus is just pulling demand forward- AKA, lot's of the old and the sick and especially the old and sick, are dying a few months sooner than they would have otherwise.
Italy just stated 99% of their dead had underlying issues.
This is a socialist wet dream.
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From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
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From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
Yeah, quarantining everyone is getting to sound silly. The only positive I can think of is that I have no traffic to deal with on my commute.
The only problem is the long incubation periods could make trying to shut this virus down like playing a game of whack-a-mole from hell.
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From what I've heard the much better answer is massive testing and just isolating the positives.
I heard someone say that is the plan. This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available.
I did see something on the Houston news this morning about general testing being available.
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This is just a stop gap until the test kits are more available.
Exactly. These extreme measures are only necessary until testing is up to speed. Not to say life will immediately go back to normal but widespread testing will allow us to start.
I've been looking for info on what South Korea looks like today, what restrictions they've been able to drop and what they've kept in place, but haven't found much.
Unfortunately we're going to look more like Italy than South Korea for a bit still anyway.
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There's trouble in in Georgia...
A Georgia state senator was feeling sick with flu like symptoms, ignored them and spent the entire day at the state capitol, and has tested positive for Corona.
One of his colleagues is going ape *expletive deleted*it about it, and rightfully so...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-state-legislator-shaking-with-rage-after-state-senator-with-coronavirus-symptoms-attends-session-prompting-all-legislators-to-quarantine
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Police show up at a church in Louisiana because they dared defy "muh authoritah" and have a service.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-police-church-defy-state-order
Some stupidity on the church's part... "anointed handkerchiefs" and all, but still.
"A police officer told the pastor that the National Guard will break up future gatherings that violate the public health rules issued by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards."
If you want to start a war, threatening the devoutly religious is pretty much the best way to do it.
This *expletive deleted*it has gone beyond "is getting out of hand" and jumped straight to "has gotten...".
Brad
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Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.
Large population of Chinese who travel home and back as well as having visitors from China regularly.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR1K694mJofI-TDgGkuNQu1EEBdmTGBO3Dqc8lx6jvLvsJD5m4LV_Rsavps
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Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.
Large population of Chinese who travel home and back as well as having visitors from China regularly.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/how_did_italy_become_the_new_ground_zero_of_coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR1K694mJofI-TDgGkuNQu1EEBdmTGBO3Dqc8lx6jvLvsJD5m4LV_Rsavps
Bingo. That's something that everyone has been missing.
And, apparently, the same is true for Iran. Lots of interaction with Chinese, given their military and trade connections.
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I am finally convinced this COVID-19 thing is serious. A local store said they will no longer be receiving shipments of Coke and Pepsi products.
If coffee shipments stop, TEOTWAWKI will surely have arrived.
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Regarding Italy, there was a perfect storm that caused their situation.
Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing. =(
(https://i.imgur.com/JWmo2UO.png)
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...aaaaand Texas jumps on the Full-Retard banwagon.
https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/19/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texans-avoid-groups-closes-bars-gyms-restaurants-dine-in/?fbclid=IwAR3AbhreCQCSDhFhZ8msV5CtfLH3-RAqOZgX0ZYn1Azjoy3UGEPoLz_-y0A
Brad
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My son in law works in computer sales: they primarily sell, install and service PCs, accessories and software to businesses. I called him this morning because I read an article in the WSJ about laptop shortages with all the people working from home. He confirmed that and said the other big shortage right now was monitors, with everyone buying a new monitor to plug into their new laptop or to add a second monitor to their desktop system. He said with the shortage of chips and components from China, it is going to take a while for the manufacturers to get up to speed and build replacement systems.
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Italy is ahead of us in testing though. Pretty much everyone is ahead of us in testing. =(
(https://i.imgur.com/JWmo2UO.png)
Have you seen any comparisons between us and any other high population countries?
How many Americans would have to be tested to top that chart? Would there be enough tests even on the planet to get'r done?
I know that's what we're going to try and do now but remember, we're yuuge compared to those other nations.
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...aaaaand Texas jumps on the Full-Retard banwagon.
https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/19/gov-greg-abbott-orders-texans-avoid-groups-closes-bars-gyms-restaurants-dine-in/?fbclid=IwAR3AbhreCQCSDhFhZ8msV5CtfLH3-RAqOZgX0ZYn1Azjoy3UGEPoLz_-y0A
Brad
During a news conference at the state Capitol, Abbott announced an executive order that will limit social gatherings to 10 people, prohibit eating and drinking at restaurants and bars while still allowing takeout, close gyms, ban people from visiting nursing homes except for critical care and temporarily close schools. The executive order is effective midnight Friday through midnight April 3, Abbott said.