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Title: Chicken juice
Post by: zxcvbob on February 18, 2020, 09:07:40 PM
I bought a 10 lb bag of frozen chicken leg quarters that were on sale really cheap, and put them in the minifridge to thaw.  Just opened them up.  I'm roasting them all in the electric roaster, and will probably make chicken salad and a bunch of soup.  I poured all the juice from the bag into the roaster... then decided that was not a good use for it.  It will coagulate when it gets hot, but it probably won't contribute that much flavor to the drippings.  So I poured it off and put it in a mason jar in the fridge.  There's a little over a pint, and I know it will spoil pretty quickly.

What todo with it?  I'm thinking about making dumplings, and using it instead of the milk and maybe the egg.  (there's too much here for that, I may give the rest to the dogs)  Can you think of a better use?  Maybe noodles?  Or some kind of blood pudding?
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: charby on February 18, 2020, 09:22:48 PM
Put it in your soup or make gravy and freeze it.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: K Frame on February 19, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
The actual bag juice from the raw chicken?

I throw it out. It's basically a protein slurry, some fat, some blood and, if the chicken has been brined at the factory, a LOT of salt.

You use it in the dumplings I'm suspecting that the texture will be VERY different.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: zxcvbob on February 19, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
The actual bag juice from the raw chicken?

I throw it out. It's basically a protein slurry, some fat, some blood and, if the chicken has been brined at the factory, a LOT of salt.

You use it in the dumplings I'm suspecting that the texture will be VERY different.

Yes, the juice from the bag (which miraculously didn't leak)  I think the stuff has potential use, but don't want to risk ruining my soup or noodles or whatever.  Think I'll mix it (probably not all of it) with some old whole wheat flour and bake it to make dog treats.  After it's cooked I can taste one to see if it's salty.  I don't think it will be salty because the chicken isn't salty.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: charby on February 19, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Nevermind, I was thinking juices from cooking. Dump that crap down the drain.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: K Frame on February 19, 2020, 10:20:48 AM
Using it in dog treats might not be a bad idea if it's not salty.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Nevermind, I was thinking juices from cooking. Dump that crap down the drain.

Word.

One thing I've started doing that I copied from my dad is that when I'm making a turkey or some other things that need gravy, hence chicken broth, is I'll buy a cheap whole chicken at the store and boil that up the day before for the broth, then use the boiled meat to throw in with the dog and cat chow.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: MillCreek on February 19, 2020, 10:59:04 AM
The other issue with the raw chicken juice is that it is the perfect growth medium for bacteria.  If I were to use it for any purpose, I would boil it for several minutes first, given the issues of chicken contamination with salmonella and E. coli.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: charby on February 19, 2020, 11:18:23 AM
The other issue with the raw chicken juice is that it is the perfect growth medium for bacteria.  If I were to use it for any purpose, I would boil it for several minutes first, given the issues of chicken contamination with salmonella and E. coli.

Yep
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: K Frame on February 19, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
The other issue with the raw chicken juice is that it is the perfect growth medium for bacteria.  If I were to use it for any purpose, I would boil it for several minutes first, given the issues of chicken contamination with salmonella and E. coli.

Frickin' namby pamby health care sissies! I eat near raw chicken all the time and I've NEVER had a... had a....  [barf]


Never mind.

 :rofl:


Any protein-rich broth like that is a bacteria festival waiting to happen. Whenever I make stock I pour the finished, but still hot, product into a large bowl, which is sitting in the sink in a ice/water bath.

I then drop several frozen water bottles into the bowl. That way I can normally get the stock from near boiling to where I can get it portioned up and into the freezer in less than 10 minutes.

But, I still always bring the stock to a hard boil when I defrost it.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: Silver Bullet on February 20, 2020, 09:59:11 AM
The problem is much worse than protein.  Chickens frequently contain feces contamination after processing.  This is why you are always advised to cook to at least 165 degrees.  The newest guidelines have poultry being cooked to a higher temperature than pork, because most farm raised pork is relatively free from parasites (so I read).  All bets are off for wild hogs/boars/swine, though.

https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/chicken.html (https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/chicken.html)

I regard poultry as the radioactive villains of the kitchen.  I clean my counters after cutting up chicken, especially if I'm flattening them for schnitzel or parmigiana.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: K Frame on February 20, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
"The problem is much worse than protein."

No, the protein is not the problem. Bacteria, ANY kind of bacteria, including the bacteria if feces, including e coli or salmonella, are the problem.

The protein serves as a very welcoming grow medium/food for the bacteria. It's as if you're giving the bacteria free access to a Roman orgy with all the food and sex they can tolerate, and bacteria can tolerate a lot of those.
Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: bedlamite on March 07, 2020, 03:38:48 AM
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Title: Re: Chicken juice
Post by: Silver Bullet on March 07, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
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 =D

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I didn't think it would be a real place.