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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: WLJ on February 26, 2020, 07:10:33 PM
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Developing story.
The usual suspects are already calling for more gun control.
A shooting at the Molson Coors Beverage Co., in Milwaukee, Wis., has left "multiple people" dead, including the shooter, the mayor of the city said Wednesday.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that at least seven people are dead, including the suspected gunman, according to its sources. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said several people had died, but did not give a specific number.
'Critical' shooting incident at Molson Coors' Milwaukee facility; 'multiple' people killed, mayor says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/critical-incident-molson-coors-milwaukee-wisconsin
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Doesn't take long
Blue-checked journo takes break from covering Trump’s hotel to suggest that deadly shooting at Milwaukee MillerCoors facility might be poetic justice
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/26/blue-checked-journo-takes-break-from-covering-trumps-hotel-to-suggest-that-deadly-shooting-at-milwaukee-millercoors-facility-might-be-poetic-justice/
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So far
6 dead including the shooter
Reading he was fired eariler in the day
Also reading a suppressor was used.
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The shooter was armed with two handguns, one with a silencer, according to a police source. Silencers or suppressors are legal in 42 states, including Wisconsin. They must be registered with the federal government under the National Firearms Act. According to the latest report from the ATF, more than 29,333 are registered in the state.
Crime involving the devices is relatively rare, according to an often-cited study that said about 150 cases involving silencers were prosecuted in federal court from 1995 to 2004.
Will the Milwaukee Shooting Lead to a New Push for a Federal Silencer Ban?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/will-the-milwaukee-shooting-lead-to-a-new-push-for-a-federal-silencer-ban/
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Will the Milwaukee Shooting Lead to a New Push for a Federal Silencer Ban?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/will-the-milwaukee-shooting-lead-to-a-new-push-for-a-federal-silencer-ban/
It figures, right after I send my first two suppressors to silencer jail. I guess I have to hope that Trump would forego signing anything before November, when hopefully both of them will be in my hands. I was actually looking at buying a third one, and now have to hope prices don't spike. Glad suppressor #2 is multi-caliber, so if something does go through, I'm not totally screwed.
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Will the Milwaukee Shooting Lead to a New Push for a Federal Silencer Ban?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/will-the-milwaukee-shooting-lead-to-a-new-push-for-a-federal-silencer-ban/
Well since our conservative lord and savior already supports that....don't be shocked.
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Well since our conservative lord and savior already supports that....don't be shocked.
Sadly, I think he looks at them the same as bump stocks. If nothing else, sacrificial pawns in the gun control chess game. I really wish his sons would have a sit-down with him regarding hearing protection. Maybe mention how easy they are to get in many countries that otherwise have strict gun control. Maybe take him to the range and let him fire a suppressed 5.56 without wearing earpro.
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Sadly, I think he looks at them the same as bump stocks. If nothing else, sacrificial pawns in the gun control chess game. I really wish his sons would have a sit-down with him regarding hearing protection. Maybe mention how easy they are to get in many countries that otherwise have strict gun control. Maybe take him to the range and let him fire a suppressed 5.56 without wearing earpro.
I fully believe he is actually pro gun-control, and that because he thinks everything is a negotiation, that he can sell off bits of gun protections to get things he wants out of people. I don't doubt he'd sell of suppressors in a heartbeat if he saw it as leverage. His dishonesty with guns worries me more than a gun grabber.
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I blame Republicans too. We had a majority right after Trump got in, and a Hearing Protection Act ready to go, IIRC, before any "mass shootings" that year. Had it been pushed through right away, I have little doubt Trump would have signed it. After Las Vegas though, I agree with you that it's remote that it will be passed even with a two house majority next year, because suppressors are now negotiation chips.
And with that, I might have just talked myself into a third suppressor to send to jail ASAP.
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We have rehashed the Hearing Protection Act and bump stocks many times. No point in going through that again. The only House leader I heard say good things about the Hearing Protection Act was Steve Scalise and he was out of commission for a while.
I think it is highly unlikely we would see any laws passed to outlaw silencers. Is there even a bill in committee to worry about? I would be much more worried about action in the states. That is where Bloomberg has been spreading big money around.
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I think it is highly unlikely we would see any laws passed to outlaw silencers.
I agree. The media will be focused on pandemic, not to mention grim reaper Mitch will kill any bill that might make it that far.
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I saw this comment on Twitter. I thought some of you would like it.
"When you take a good hard look at who your lawmakers are, the argument for Anarchy seems a lot more reasonable."
=D
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I think it is highly unlikely we would see any laws passed to outlaw silencers. Is there even a bill in committee to worry about? I would be much more worried about action in the states. That is where Bloomberg has been spreading big money around.
I would just be worried about the possibility of an EO or something that makes acquiring them more difficult or more expensive.
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https://summit.news/2020/02/27/milwaukee-mass-shooter-is-a-black-elizabeth-warren-supporter/
Milwaukee Mass Shooter is a Black Elizabeth Warren Supporter
Not sure if this should matter but it probably does to the media.
https://www.cbs58.com/news/molson-coors-identifies-victims-gunman-in-mass-shooting
News story with the identities.
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https://summit.news/2020/02/27/milwaukee-mass-shooter-is-a-black-elizabeth-warren-supporter/
Milwaukee Mass Shooter is a Black Elizabeth Warren Supporter
Not sure if this should matter but it probably does to the media.
I was thinking the same thing. Hard to tell if the story isn't getting much traction because of that or the beer virus running the headlines. We have seen this lack of coverage from the usual MSM sources anytime a protected class commits a crime like this.
I did notice that one MSM story called him a "gun collector". I'm pretty sure when it's an old white guy, it's "gun nut with an arsenal".
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The real story is, Whitey doesn't want black children to know about the historic first black mass shooter in Milwaukee history. And they did this during Black History Month!
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Shooter doesn't fit the narrative, and down the memory hole this story goes.
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Shooter doesn't fit the narrative, and down the memory hole this story goes.
Yep. Buh bye!
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The kung flu probably helped it down the memory hole.
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The kung flu probably helped it down the memory hole.
Nope. Even without it, the press would have smothered this one with a pillow. Remember the "mass shooter" in Virginia Beach? That story disappeared quickly, and for the same reasons.
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The Milwaukee MSM is doing follow up stories and whatnot, but the frequency drop off is already visible.
Definitely having a hard time fitting the narrative. Black shooter, white victims (one Hispanic), .45 ACP handgun with low capacity, or a number of rounds expended that would have been possible even in a mag-ban state like CA or NY.
The silencer issue is spotty, so I'm wondering if it was either a "fuel filter" job he'd done himself, or a faux suppressor, because they're not reporting on it consistently or often.
And the one anti-gun fearmongering tidbit that does keep getting included is the mention of "his hobby was assembling firearms from ordered parts".
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And the one anti-gun fearmongering tidbit that does keep getting included is the mention of "his hobby was assembling firearms from ordered parts".
Which very well could be nothing more than him ordering new grips for his 1911 off Amazon.
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I heard an NPR reporter doing an interview when this first happened. He asked the interviewee about the possibility of racism being involved. As in, had the shooter been a victim of racism or racial slurs or something and that's why he did it. I'm guessing this was not the case or else the media would have been trumpeting the "fact" that the perpetrator was actually a victim . . . .
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Workplace shooters tend to black, for some reason.
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I heard an NPR reporter doing an interview when this first happened. He asked the interviewee about the possibility of racism being involved. As in, had the shooter been a victim of racism or racial slurs or something and that's why he did it. I'm guessing this was not the case or else the media would have been trumpeting the "fact" that the perpetrator was actually a victim . . . .
He had been fired earlier that day. And there was some initial reports that slipped through that he had disputes with some of his coworkers in regards to work performance. If those victims were just targets of opportunity, or ones he'd been in conflict with, I don't know.
Other reports quoting neighbors say he'd been angry and paranoid after falling off a ladder, and making a workman's comp claim, and claiming there were "spies" in cars on his street watching him. (PI's verifying his injury?)
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Nope. Even without it, the press would have smothered this one with a pillow. Remember the "mass shooter" in Virginia Beach? That story disappeared quickly, and for the same reasons.
Navy Yard shooter, too.
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Other reports quoting neighbors say he'd been angry and paranoid after falling off a ladder, and making a workman's comp claim, and claiming there were "spies" in cars on his street watching him. (PI's verifying his injury?)
Was Dwight Schrute watching him?
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I heard an NPR reporter doing an interview when this first happened. He asked the interviewee about the possibility of racism being involved. As in, had the shooter been a victim of racism or racial slurs or something and that's why he did it. I'm guessing this was not the case or else the media would have been trumpeting the "fact" that the perpetrator was actually a victim . . . .
Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.
Six current and former employees and others with knowledge of the brewery said overtly racist acts have occurred there for years. A noose was found on Ferrill’s locker in 2015, they said, prompting a brewery-wide meeting with human resources.
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
The company said it offered security and human resources services to Ferrill, but did not say whether he had made use of them.
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Well, obviously he was fully justified then.
:facepalm:
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Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.
It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.
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It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.
We'll never know, but the odds are good. And it would possibly align with his workmans comp lawsuit and being angry that he believed PI's were monitoring him to see if he was faking.
Miller Brewing has a strong union culture, and union grievance culture too. When I worked IT there back over 23 years ago in the late 90's in the corporate offices, you couldn't move a computer from one desk to another, you had to load it on the cart, and then wait for the corporate (union) laborers to move it down the hall within 24 hours, and then you could set it back up on it's new desk.
I'm guessing to some, that's complete [tinfoil] but to others used to working in a union shop, or where Union and corporate mix together might just call that "Tuesday".
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Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.
I saw that article. It had nothing but hearsay. Yet the tone of the article was that all the statements were true and incontrovertible. I'm not saying the statements were false, I've seen those kinds of cartoons, etc, albeit not in a professional setting. I'm just saying they aren't necessarily true.
My favorite quote: “Everyone knows the environment we worked in." Because what "everyone knows" is so often 100% accurate . . . ;/
And, as RKL said, even if true it by no means justifies his actions.
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I saw that article. It had nothing but hearsay. Yet the tone of the article was that all the statements were true and incontrovertible.
HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
And, as RKL said, even if true it by no means justifies his actions.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.
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HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.
Being a Milwaukeean and actually having worked at Miller for 10 years in one IT capacity or another, I'd say at least on an anecdotal gut-level it's at least "equally likely" he put the noose up himself. If not slightly more likely. It really fits with the guy trying to deflect from his own work performance, and the contested workplace comp injury as well.
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HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.
HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.
Nobody said it would justify his actions, I was just restating the obvious I guess. There are an awful lot of fake hate crimes being reported. There was one about the same time as this noose incident that occurred at UW Parkside in Kenosha, IIRC. Kenosha is just 30 miles south of Milwaukee. I think even odds might be about right . . .
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As a exercise, do any of you know of a recent "noose" incident that was proven true (meaning actually placed there by a white racist) ?
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Nobody said it would justify his actions, I was just restating the obvious I guess. There are an awful lot of fake hate crimes being reported. There was one about the same time as this noose incident that occurred at UW Parkside in Kenosha, IIRC. Kenosha is just 30 miles south of Milwaukee. I think even odds might be about right . . .
I'd say a little more than even. Not that I can relate well... but in my mind is a noose even the "go to" symbol for a white person trying to express racial hate in 2000's America? It's obviously to imply a lynching, but lynchings largely gone since the 1960's, and in the north here in Wisconsin gone longer than that. Hell, I'm not trying to say that Milwaukee is some paragon of racial tolerance, but white Milwaukee did actually riot on behalf of a runaway slave back in the day. Almost an anti-lynching of sorts... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Glover
All anecdotal I know. But I feel like the "noose thing" is possibly more likely to be false flag than others because it gets ingrained in certain minds during black history lessons, and a piece of rope or cable is relatively low effort too.
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Unless I'm confusing this incident with another workplace shooting, didn't one of the shooter's co-workers complain that the shooter spent much of his work day watching Netflix on his cell phone? He probably became disgruntled when it was suggested to him that he might be expected to work for that paycheck he received on a regular basis.