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Title: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 09, 2020, 10:20:10 PM

https://www.dailywire.com/news/alabama-takes-major-step-in-banning-hormone-blockers-transgender-surgeries-for-children

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According to The Washington Times, Republican Sen. Shay Shelnutt’s bill, called the Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, seeks to “make it a felony for doctors and other medical providers to prescribe hormone blockers or surgeries for minors seeking to treat gender dysphoria.”

Shouldn't this already be the law everywhere?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 09, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/alabama-takes-major-step-in-banning-hormone-blockers-transgender-surgeries-for-children

Shouldn't this already be the law everywhere?


BURN THE HERETIC!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 10, 2020, 12:05:42 AM
It probably wont be too long till the loony leftards are advocating for in utero sex change therapy because they know their baby fetus lump of cells identifies as the "other" gender.
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2020, 08:30:30 AM
Same thing is going on here in Idaho. Interestingly, according to the Idaho Statesman, which I now believe is a commie front, all the big corporations here are against it, and I've been reading the semi-threat quotes of, "If Idaho passes this, we may have to look for a new HQ".

It's frightening to me that people are attempting to mainstream this as if it were nothing more than an allergy shot.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2020, 09:06:30 AM
Same thing is going on here in Idaho. Interestingly, according to the Idaho Statesman, which I now believe is a commie front, all the big corporations here are against it, and I've been reading the semi-threat quotes of, "If Idaho passes this, we may have to look for a new HQ".

It's frightening to me that people are attempting to mainstream this as if it were nothing more than an allergy shot.
There are claims about that sort of thing every time one of the states wants to pass something non-PC.  I have never seen a follow up about how badly they were doing afterward.  Probably works about as well as most boycotts.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2020, 09:07:24 AM
If it passes I am sure leftist groups will sue the state.  I am curious how this will play out in court.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2020, 09:11:39 AM
If it passes I am sure leftist groups will sue the state.  I am curious how this will play out in court.

They don't have the .......     ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: makattak on March 10, 2020, 09:19:12 AM
It's frightening to me that people are attempting to mainstream this as if it were nothing more than an allergy shot.

Because this is one of the unforeseen consequences of losing (or winning, depending on which side you were on) the gay marriage fight. Encourage the leftists and they will take the victory and move on to the next battle. ALWAYS fighting over new territory because it is about breaking down every vestige of the enemy's1 rules and culture, NOT about whatever they claim the purpose is. ("Fairness" "Equity" or whatever drivel is their newest slogan.)


1: That enemy being Christianity, Western Civilization, and, honestly, God Himself.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Pb on March 10, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Same thing is going on here in Idaho. Interestingly, according to the Idaho Statesman, which I now believe is a commie front, all the big corporations here are against it, and I've been reading the semi-threat quotes of, "If Idaho passes this, we may have to look for a new HQ".


This reminds me of Walmart threatening Arkansas over a religious freedom law (over allowing people to refuse to participate in in homosexual weddings).
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Because this is one of the unforeseen consequences of losing (or winning, depending on which side you were on) the gay marriage fight. Encourage the leftists and they will take the victory and move on to the next battle. ALWAYS fighting over new territory because it is about breaking down every vestige of the enemy's1 rules and culture, NOT about whatever they claim the purpose is. ("Fairness" "Equity" or whatever drivel is their newest slogan.)


1: That enemy being Christianity, Western Civilization, and, honestly, God Himself.

This.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2020, 05:54:59 PM
If it passes I am sure leftist groups will sue the state.  I am curious how this will play out in court.

They should tie the law to banning conversion therapy, too.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2020, 08:27:09 PM
They should tie the law to banning conversion therapy, too.


Heh. That would be interesting.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 11, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Heh. That would be interesting.

Some politicians get this. Tie something the other side believes in to something you're for or against.    Give the other side the stick to beat themselves with.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 12, 2020, 01:52:11 AM
Some politicians get this. Tie something the other side believes in to something you're for or against.    Give the other side the stick to beat themselves with.

It's often an effective tactic -- the so-called "poison pill" amendment. The downside is that it makes a mockery out of the legislative process, because issues don't get discussed and voted on based on their merits. I have long felt that poison pill amendments shouldn't be allowed, but too many lawkaers like them ffor my dream to ever be realized.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
It's often an effective tactic -- the so-called "poison pill" amendment. The downside is that it makes a mockery out of the legislative process, because issues don't get discussed and voted on based on their merits. I have long felt that poison pill amendments shouldn't be allowed, but too many lawkaers like them ffor my dream to ever be realized.

I'm okay with a serious reduction in the pace of new laws being passed. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 09:19:04 AM
I'm okay with a serious reduction in the pace of new laws being passed.  
Maybe require 5 old laws be removed for every new one.  ...or maybe ten.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Maybe require 5 old laws be removed for every new one.  ...or maybe ten.

Our current governor did something similar when he got in, and also went nuclear on old regulations. We're supposedly the least regulated state right now, if our commie newspaper is accurately reporting.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 12, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
Maybe require 5 old laws be removed for every new one.  ...or maybe ten.

Even just sunset clauses.  No law should be on the books for more than a few years without being voted on again to keep it.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 12, 2020, 10:55:13 AM
I'm going to get some hate from you guys for this...

But now is NOT the time for this stuff.

Now is not the time for pro or anti abortion legislaton, pro or anti gun legislation, pro or anti sex conversion legislation, or really anything else.

A bill like this, or a gun control bill, or an abortion bill, or whatever... will draw out protesters and supporters in large droves.  Right now there are various State of Emergency decrees by a few Governors, and we're looking at something similar coming from FedGuv soon probably.

Any politician working on ANYTHING that groups could feel passionate about, should be ASHAMED for bringing it out in the midst of a communicable disease pandemic.  And removed from office.

Introduce the bill in 6 months when this is over.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 11:07:42 AM
I'm going to get some hate from you guys for this...

But now is NOT the time for this stuff.

Now is not the time for pro or anti abortion legislaton, pro or anti gun legislation, pro or anti sex conversion legislation, or really anything else.

A bill like this, or a gun control bill, or an abortion bill, or whatever... will draw out protesters and supporters in large droves.  Right now there are various State of Emergency decrees by a few Governors, and we're looking at something similar coming from FedGuv soon probably.

Any politician working on ANYTHING that groups could feel passionate about, should be ASHAMED for bringing it out in the midst of a communicable disease pandemic.  And removed from office.

Introduce the bill in 6 months when this is over.
First, it was probably introduced before all this started. 

Second, the last thing we want is all the politicians in this country working on "fixing" the pandemic.  They would just make it worse.  Probably just do futile gestures and pork spending. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 12, 2020, 11:08:27 AM
They could always, you know, do nothing?

Especially since the feedback loop is effectively closed if they do something particularly offensive.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
They could always, you know, do nothing?

Especially since the feedback loop is effectively closed if they do something particularly offensive.
Doing nothing would be great.  It is the best course of action right now.  If the state and federal health agencies can't handle it right now, they are not likely to get better because some new law was passed. 

Another reason I think it is a bad idea to keep legislative bodies in session year round. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Ron on March 14, 2020, 09:48:45 AM
Ran across this article and thought about the atrocities being commited upon children by some in the healthcare industry.

 https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/i-was-americas-first-nonbinary-person-it-was-all-sham?fbclid=IwAR32QMGEFP-Rrt7ezPYf75WUQV1DGtj6zj5LKGqIXGADz3k6volxCix-TqU

Libertarianism always ends up hurting the weak and vulnerable in the name of freedom.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 14, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Ran across this article and thought about the atrocities being commited upon children by some in the healthcare industry.

 https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/i-was-americas-first-nonbinary-person-it-was-all-sham?fbclid=IwAR32QMGEFP-Rrt7ezPYf75WUQV1DGtj6zj5LKGqIXGADz3k6volxCix-TqU

Libertarianism always ends up hurting the weak and vulnerable in the name of freedom.



Thank you for the link.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
Ran across this article and thought about the atrocities being commited upon children by some in the healthcare industry.

 https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/i-was-americas-first-nonbinary-person-it-was-all-sham?fbclid=IwAR32QMGEFP-Rrt7ezPYf75WUQV1DGtj6zj5LKGqIXGADz3k6volxCix-TqU


From the article:

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The medical community is so afraid of the trans community that they’re now afraid to give someone Blanchard’s diagnosis. Trans men are winning in medicine, and they’ve won the battle for language.

Think of the word “transvestite.” They’ve succeeded in making it a vulgar word, even though it just means men dressing like women. People are no longer allowed to tell the truth about men like me. Everyone now has to call us transgender instead.

Finally! Affirmation! I have maintained all along that men who wear women's clothing but still have male parts are not "transgender," they are transvestites.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 15, 2020, 09:49:35 AM
Ran across this article and thought about the atrocities being commited upon children by some in the healthcare industry.

 https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/i-was-americas-first-nonbinary-person-it-was-all-sham?fbclid=IwAR32QMGEFP-Rrt7ezPYf75WUQV1DGtj6zj5LKGqIXGADz3k6volxCix-TqU

Libertarianism always ends up hurting the weak and vulnerable in the name of freedom.



No good libertarian would ever force another person to transition to anything, because that violates the NAP, nor would a good libertarian pay for someone's elective surgery they can't pay for themselves.  Try again.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 15, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
I suspect that if govt agencies didn't pay for the surgery and/or insurance companies did not feel obligated to cover it, fewer people would be paying out of pocket for it. 

However, the big issue to me is feed kids hormone blockers and other drugs that screw them up just because parents think they see a tendency in something the kid will grow out of.  Screwing up the kids normal growth only insures the kid will always be an outsider and may end up being pretty unhappy.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2020, 10:54:37 AM
Screwing up the kids normal growth only insures the kid will always be an outsider and may end up being pretty unhappy.

Or dead by their own hand. The"trans community" constantly harps on suicide rates, without considering that they themselves may hold some responsibility there. Especially with convincing six year olds (or their parents) that they are the wrong gender.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 20, 2020, 11:51:12 PM
This is why ANY legislation during a pandemic is bad (note I called this happening over a week ago):

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text?r=1&s=1
Title: Re: Alabama Senate moves to ban sex-change procedures for children.
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 21, 2020, 12:26:30 AM
This is why ANY legislation during a pandemic is bad (note I called this happening over a week ago):

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/text?r=1&s=1

You already have a thread to discuss the anti-gun bill. This thread is about sex change operations for kids.