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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: bedlamite on April 03, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
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... and sinks. with only minor damage to the cruise ship, thanks to a reinforced hull intended for use in the Arctic.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6774974/cruise-ship-venezuela-ramming/
I can't help but think Venezuela getting feisty might be part of the reason our Navy to the Caribbean instead of "drug trafficking"
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A wise man once said, "Yeild to tonnage".
=D
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Venezuela says it will pursue “legal action” in connection with the case, and President Nicolas Maduro has said he expects “maximum collaboration” from Curacao.
“You have to be very naive to see this as an isolated incident,” Maduro said Tuesday night on state TV, amid rising tensions with the United States.
Because the United States has a long history of using Portuguese cruise ships as amphibious assault vessels ...
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Baghdad Bob must be teaching classes at the Venezuelan military academy now.
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The Resolute is equipped with dining rooms, a gymnasium, a salt water pool and accommodations for 146 passengers, according to its website. The ship was between cruises and there were only 32 crew members aboard during the clash, Columbia Cruise Services says.
The ship’s itinerary does not list any planned mercenary operations into Venezuela. However, it does list several trips to the Canadian Arctic and Antarctica.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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“Shortly thereafter, the navy vessel approached the starboard side … and purposely collided with the RCGS Resolute,” the Germany-based company said in a statement.
“The navy vessel continued to ram the starboard bow in an apparent attempt to turn the ship’s head towards Venezuelan territorial waters,” Columbia Cruise Services said.
Vladimir Padrino López, Venezuela’s minister of defence, disputed that claim in a statement, saying that the cruise ship actually rammed the patrol boat and “caused its sinking” in Venezuelan waters.
I guess the Venezuelan ship wasn't designed as a tug boat.
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That wasn't exactly a Boston Whaler the Venezuelans lost ...
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/naiguata.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=1024)
(from the article)
However, I wonder if the article is correct. The Venezuelan vessel's number is (was) "GC-23." I assume "GC" is Guarda de la Costa," or Coast Guard. Not Navy.
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I want to know where all of the video of this encounter and subsequent sinking is. You can't tell me no one bothered to video it in this day and age.
bob
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Love this comment at the bottom:
Isn’t that nice? A little heartwarming story for us in these troubling times.
=D
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(https://i.imgflip.com/106zik.jpg)
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Question for the sailors & lawyers here: assuming no other vessels had been nearby, would the cruise ship have been legally obligated to pick up the crew from the Venezuelan ship? They were after all engaged in piracy against their ship...
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That would be a pretty sticky call. I'm thinking that if it were to play out in some kind of Admiralty court then they would be on the hook to render aid.
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Video (and a lot of snark): https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/05/video-has-emerged-of-the-venezuelan-patrol-ship-that-sunk-itself-after-ramming-a-cruise-ship-not-a-typo/
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Video (and a lot of snark): https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/05/video-has-emerged-of-the-venezuelan-patrol-ship-that-sunk-itself-after-ramming-a-cruise-ship-not-a-typo/
The video is sorely disappointing. Just chaos in spanish. No huge bumps, no screaming cries as the ship goes down.
I wanted to see damage of some kind happening.
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My favorite comment from the link:
"After an hour hanging around on standby in case it was required to help with the rescue effort, Resolute was left to buff out its battle damage." =D
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Interesting back-channel scuttlebutt on this.
Last year, a Russian ship leasing company commandeered two ships leased to One Ocean Expeditions. Argument was the ships were in need of modernization and repairs. OOE leases 3 ships from this company, one of which is the Resolute in this story.
The Resolute is the last ship available to the company to generate any revenue, and OOE is near bankruptcy due to the loss of their leased vessels.
There's arbitration and lawsuits going on to try and free up the two commandeered ships.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/news/cruise-ships-seized-russian-authorities-putting-hundreds-of-once-in-lifetime-holidays-at-risk/
How much pull might a Russian ship company have with the Venezuelan military, to try and ruin a company? Are there other Russian or Venezuelan companies trying to make a go at this industry, and sidelining OOE is good for them?
I came across this, trying to dig around and see if Columbia Cruise Services or One Ocean Expeditions had any CIA or US State Dept ties, and if the Venezuelans had any immediately tangible ground to stand upon with the accusations of mercenary activities. I could see the State Dept leasing an off-the-books transport of human assets during a time when the ship is supposedly idle or in transit from one pole to the other. Drop off some assets 20 miles off shore in a dinghy and just not look to hard at their equipment.
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Question for the sailors & lawyers here: assuming no other vessels had been nearby, would the cruise ship have been legally obligated to pick up the crew from the Venezuelan ship? They were after all engaged in piracy against their ship...
Fishing pirates out of the ocean - pirates who may very well be armed, if only with sidearms - would greatly hazard the (presumably) unarmed passengers and crew of the merchant or civilian vessel that the pirates had targeted. I would think that unless some ocean or admiralty court were based in Venezuela or one of its allies, this would be the determining factor.
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The cruise company claims the Resolute stayed in place for an hour while crew of the Naiguata ignored all offers of help. Venezuela disputed that claim in a separate statement, calling the cruise ship’s crew “cowardly and criminal” for allegedly failing to help.
Venezuela says it managed to rescue the entire crew, with no help from the cruise ship.
Looking at the video, if there were men with rifles on the ship, I can see where the Resolute would be hesitant to send over boats to pick people up.
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Looking at the video, if there were men with rifles on the ship, I can see where the Resolute would be hesitant to send over boats to pick people up.
My first thought was if they picked up the survivors, exactly what is going to stop them from kidnapping all the crew and stealing the ship for Venezuela, as they were trying to do in the first place?
I'd have been more than hesitant at picking them up. Toss them a life raft, sure. Pick the up? Nope. Enjoy rowing back to port.
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My favorite comment from the link:
"After an hour hanging around on standby in case it was required to help with the rescue effort, Resolute was left to buff out its battle damage." =D
Thanks. I needed a belly laugh to start the day.
Terry, 230RN