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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on April 26, 2020, 10:20:14 PM
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It might be an interesting week. Uncovered evidence apparently indicates Michael Flynn was setup by fed.gov:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/26/maria-bartiromo-teases-big-news-regarding-michael-flynn-this-week/
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People should HANG, if true.
I doubt they'll even be indicted. MAYBE someone will lose their job... and get a several million $$ book deal or gig on CNN.
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Anyone that's been paying attention already knows Flynn was set up.
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It would be nice if some of these criminals could be treated like criminals.
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If true the goal was to overthrow a duly elected government. It's treason, behave accordingly.
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If true the goal was to overthrow a duly elected government. It's treason, behave accordingly.
Claire Wolfe rule?
“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
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Is it, though?
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/28/michael-flynns-former-law-firm-submitting-6800-documents-and-emails-to-correct-a-miscommunication/
His previous lawyers just "forgot" to send over 6,800 documents to his new lawyers.
FUNNY how they happened to find these just as the Feds were forced to cough up a bunch of material never submitted...
Just a "miscommunication". Nothing nefarious, at all.
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Hand written FBI notes indicate the setup was in place:
Unsealed FBI notes reveal the intent of the FBI’s 1/24/17 interview of Flynn:
“What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute [Flynn] or get him fired?”
FBI Notes confirm it was all a pretext.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWziSaPXkAAxQEI?format=png&name=small)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/unsealed-fbi-notes-ask-what-the-goal-is-of-interviewing-michael-flynn-to-get-him-to-lie-so-we-can-prosecute/
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Hand written FBI notes indicate the setup was in place:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWziSaPXkAAxQEI?format=png&name=small)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/29/unsealed-fbi-notes-ask-what-the-goal-is-of-interviewing-michael-flynn-to-get-him-to-lie-so-we-can-prosecute/
I honestly think that's Priestep covering himself. He's posing it as a question, suggesting he wasn't going along with the idea that the rest of the conspirators were clearly going for.
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From what I've heard and read, the question isn't so much whether Flynn will be retried or acquitted, the real question is which FBI officials or agents will themselves be going to jail.
:rofl:
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Now this would be interesting.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-considering-bringing-michael-flynn-back-into-administration
I wonder if legacy media would blow a gasket over this, or just try to ignore Flynn's vindication.
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I just read that more information was released indicating the FBI was going to shut the whole investigation down and move on, but then Peter Strzok pushed to keep it going. The same guy who shut down the Hillary Clinton investigation early.
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I just read that more information was released indicating the FBI was going to shut the whole investigation down and move on, but then Peter Strzok pushed to keep it going. The same guy who shut down the Hillary Clinton investigation early.
Isn't it such a coincidence that all the same people were all working on very high profile political investigations of both parties?
Even weirder is that they seem to have acted differently depending on which political party was being investigated. WEIRD. What a fluke for the non-partisan straight shooters at the FBI!
I know it was all just a fluke because ALL THOSE NON-PARTISAN, DUTIFUL field agents who are totally not corrupt would have walked out, or spoken up about such blatant corruption at the highest level, right?
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Now this would be interesting.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-considering-bringing-michael-flynn-back-into-administration
I wonder if legacy media would blow a gasket over this, or just try to ignore Flynn's vindication.
The washing machine is already in spin mode.
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I just read that more information was released indicating the FBI was going to shut the whole investigation down and move on, but then Peter Strzok pushed to keep it going. The same guy who shut down the Hillary Clinton investigation early.
Funny how her name almost always pops up.
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Isn't it such a coincidence that all the same people were all working on very high profile political investigations of both parties?
Even weirder is that they seem to have acted differently depending on which political party was being investigated. WEIRD. What a fluke for the non-partisan straight shooters at the FBI!
I know it was all just a fluke because ALL THOSE NON-PARTISAN, DUTIFUL field agents who are totally not corrupt would have walked out, or spoken up about such blatant corruption at the highest level, right?
They are just following orders.
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Still waiting...
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Still waiting...
I doubt much will come from this. Perhaps former FBI agent Peter Strzok and DoJ lawyer Lisa Page, the two that did most of the grunt work, will take a fall.
Flynn will have to be pardoned by Trump to get any kind of relief from what happened to him.
edited to correct Page's employment description
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From what I've heard and read, the question isn't so much whether Flynn will be retried or acquitted, the real question is which FBI officials or agents will themselves be going to jail.
:rofl:
You have a lot more faith in the government than I do.
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You have a lot more faith in the government than I do.
I agree.
The Trump coup and insurgency has been fun but it turns out the deep state really is just our government.
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The DoJ has dropped its case against Gen. Flynn. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/drops-doj-case-against-michael-flynn-in-wake-of-internal-memo-release) Given the damage deliberately and falsely done by the government to him and his family, he is certainly due to some sort of compensation. But, I won't be holding my breath.
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The left is going absolutely batshit insane about this...
It's pretty incredible to see them defend the FBI's actions like this.
It's even more telling that Obama-administration officials are also at odds with FBI's conduct in this case.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intel-transcripts-obama-officials-no-empirical-evidence-trump-russia-collusion
The left is seeing every hope they had at undermining the Trump administration crumbling before them at the same time best hope for someone who could beat Trump is crashing and burning in his own sex scandal.
MSNBC's current "banner headline" is a quote from some schmuck who is saying that dropping the case goes contrary to the "rule of law."
No mention of FBI's actions being contrary to the rule of law... But they wouldn't mention that, because Orange Man BAD!
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The DoJ has dropped its case against Gen. Flynn. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/drops-doj-case-against-michael-flynn-in-wake-of-internal-memo-release) Given the damage deliberately and falsely done by the government to him and his family, he is certainly due to some sort of compensation. But, I won't be holding my breath.
From the link -- the "Look who's talking" Department:
Former FBI Director James Comey tweeted: "The DOJ has lost its way."
Pot, allow me to introduce Kettle.
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I understand he has paid around three million dollars in legal bills, and owes around another four million. Which brings us back to why some people might plead guilty, even if they aren't, when faced with taxpayer funded lawyers who work with an infinite budget.
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Not to mention they threatened to do the same thing to his son.
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White privilege at work. https://t.co/KfqzcvwXiV
— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) May 7, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/07/rep-ilhan-omar-calls-the-dojs-dropping-of-its-case-against-michael-flynn-white-privilege-at-work/
Well now you know :facepalm:
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I understand he has paid around three million dollars in legal bills, and owes around another four million. Which brings us back to why some people might plead guilty, even if they aren't, when faced with taxpayer funded lawyers who work with an infinite budget.
Is there any link that spells out just what the prosecutors do or demand that costs that much? I can maybe guess, but that amounts to quite a bit of legal work.
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Is there any link that spells out just what the prosecutors do or demand that costs that much? I can maybe guess, but that amounts to quite a bit of legal work.
It was alluded to in a fox news article yesterday that I can't find right now. They mentioned those amounts as an aside to him having to sell his house to pay the bills.
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The left is going absolutely batshit insane about this...
It's pretty incredible to see them defend the FBI's actions like this.
It's even more telling that Obama-administration officials are also at odds with FBI's conduct in this case.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intel-transcripts-obama-officials-no-empirical-evidence-trump-russia-collusion
The left is seeing every hope they had at undermining the Trump administration crumbling before them at the same time best hope for someone who could beat Trump is crashing and burning in his own sex scandal.
MSNBC's current "banner headline" is a quote from some schmuck who is saying that dropping the case goes contrary to the "rule of law."
No mention of FBI's actions being contrary to the rule of law... But they wouldn't mention that, because Orange Man BAD!
No one should be surprised. The fact is The F. B. I. behaved EXACTLY as most lefties want it to -----just like the KGB, just like the Stasi, just like the Gestapo.
It was NOT an accident.
It was part of a real- life SEVEN DAYS IN MAY scenario.
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No one should be surprised. The fact is The F. B. I. behaved EXACTLY as most lefties want it to -----just like the KGB, just like the Stasi, just like the Gestapo. usual.
It was NOT an accident.
Flynn was targeted because he was Trump's guy, but the behavior of the FBI seems pretty standard. They make terrorists out of patsies and entrap people all the time. It's still mind boggling to me that Flynn didn't know better.
The former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency knew how the spy agencies worked. He knew where and how they kept secrets. He had enough scars from tangles with the intelligence bureaucracy that he knew how the game was played — how intelligence officials exploited information, or selectively withheld it.
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Flynn was targeted because he was Trump's guy, but the behavior of the FBI seems pretty standard. They make terrorists out of patsies and entrap people all the time. It's still mind boggling to me that Flynn didn't know better.
I don't know the details of it, but it could be whatever they were threatening his son with meant that he went the direction he did despite knowing the game.
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I think DittoHead is correct. The note from that one FBI agent doing the interview shows it was standard procedure to set up people being interviewed to try to manufacture a lie. There have been plenty of past cases where they charge people for lying to law enforcement after multiple interviews. Now, with that Strozix guy in charge, I figure they made a special effort to go after Flynn as a way of supporting their case against Trump.
As a thread veer: Is there any reason that law against lying to police shouldn't be removed? It seems to me it doesn't serve any purpose other than strong arm tactics and persecution.
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I don't know the details of it, but it could be whatever they were threatening his son with meant that he went the direction he did despite knowing the game.
I figure some people don't realize quite how far things have gone until they are in the crosshairs of it themselves. Sort of like not being concerned about crime or self defense until you are a victim.
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As a thread veer: Is there any reason that law against lying to police shouldn't be removed? It seems to me it doesn't serve any purpose other than strong arm tactics and persecution.
It probably wasn't intended to be a tool for persecution but, coupled with the fact that it's okay for the police to lie to us, it has certainly become one. How about we make it a crime for the police to lie to suspects in the course of an investigation?
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It probably wasn't intended to be a tool for persecution but, coupled with the fact that it's okay for the police to lie to us, it has certainly become one. How about we make it a crime for the police to lie to suspects in the course of an investigation?
I guess they could also increase the standard such it has to be substantive lie willfully intended to hurt the investigation rather than just any proven untruth. Make it hard to prove like slander.
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I guess they could also increase the standard such it has to be substantive lie willfully intended to hurt the investigation rather than just any proven untruth. Make it hard to prove like slander.
In other words, it would have to actually be a lie.
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I guess they could also increase the standard such it has to be substantive lie willfully intended to hurt the investigation rather than just any proven untruth. Make it hard to prove like slander.
It is sort of that way now, or at least is supposed to be. That is one of the reasons the guy Barr asked to review the case recommended the DoJ drop the prosecution. The "lie" is supposed to be about a material fact, not just any old lie about anything. This is also why there was that dispute about the agents originally saying they didn't think Flynn lied, or at least not about a material fact, or didn't think he was lying. I think they have to prove you knew you were lying. As we all know though, our Justice system is really screwed up these days and the Fed.gov is good at running people out of money and forcing people to take a plea deal.
From Alan Dershowitz.
"Lying to the FBI is not a federal crime unless the lie is actually material to an investigation. Thus, if the FBI is investigating terrorism, and the subject falsely denies an extramarital affair, his lie would not be material."
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/495718-michael-flynn-case-places-both-fbi-integrity-and-civil-liberty-on-the-line
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Flynn was targeted because he was Trump's guy, but the behavior of the FBI seems pretty standard. They make terrorists out of patsies and entrap people all the time. It's still mind boggling to me that Flynn didn't know better.
Well, I never said it wasn't standard ... >:D
I've heard others claim the F. B. I. did this but I guess this is the first time I've seen it so blatantly exposed as it is. Lots of guilty people have claimed innocence and/or they were framed. I think most people are usually cynical of these claims.
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Thread drift, but Ned Beatty's character from Hopscotch says it all for me:
Now I know what the FBI stands for. "*expletive deleted*ing, Ball-busting Imbeciles!"
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I understand he has paid around three million dollars in legal bills, and owes around another four million. Which brings us back to why some people might plead guilty, even if they aren't, when faced with taxpayer funded lawyers who work with an infinite budget.
I also think it's time we started to look at giving the defense matching funds somehow.
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I think it's time that some people be tried for treason.
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Now I know what the FBI stands for. "*expletive deleted*ing, Ball-busting Imbeciles!"
Heh... My last project, the one that defunded my position in April, was supporting FBI.
I did NOT like it one bit. Color me unsurprised at all of the crap that's coming out about FBI's activities in the Flynn case.
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I also think it's time we started to look at giving the defense matching funds somehow.
That is why I was asking what the defense is actually spending all that money on. I know legal defense can be costly, but millions of dollars is quite a bit more than I was expecting for a case where they had little or no proof of actual wrong doing. How does the FBI force the defense lawyers to rack up that sort of bill? Is there a judge who is assisting the FBI in this?
My concern with matching funds is you just giving license for lawyers to bill the govt. So who do they work for?
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Having the govt pay for your defense when misconduct is showed as clearly as this case is fine. Just because you win acquittal, or an appeal shouldn't necessarily trigger it.
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(https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ScreenHunter-16.png)
https://ricochet.com/723091/when-is-the-cleaning/
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U.S. Officials Have Declassified List Of Obama Officials Who Were Involved In ‘Unmasking’ General Flynn
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-officials-have-declassified-list-of-obama-officials-who-were-involved-in-unmasking-general-flynn/
A source with knowledge of the matter told The Daily Wire that the list has already been declassified and now it’s on Attorney General William Barr to release the list.
I thought the article would have the list, but it just says Barr was given the list and it is declassified.
Fox News reported in 2017 that the disclosing of Flynn’s identity could be “a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison” because “rules state that if an American with Constitutional protections is collaterally caught in such surveillance, his or her identity must be protected.”
I won't hold my breath, but it looks like Barr is collecting a lot of potential criminal evidence. We will see what he does with it.
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U.S. Officials Have Declassified List Of Obama Officials Who Were Involved In ‘Unmasking’ General Flynn
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-officials-have-declassified-list-of-obama-officials-who-were-involved-in-unmasking-general-flynn/
I thought the article would have the list, but it just says Barr was given the list and it is declassified.
I won't hold my breath, but it looks like Barr is collecting a lot of potential criminal evidence. We will see what he does with it.
He'll need another Trump term to pursue this stuff. I wonder if the administration should run campaign ads on that theme. Drain the Swamp 2.0
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Fistful took the words right out of my mouth.
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I see something along these lines in just about every article about this case:
No one has ever been convicted under the Logan Act because the Logan Act is pure bushwa. Everyone in politics knows this. Everyone who merely follows politics from the outside knows this. I know this, and I never spent a day in law school.
Is there a reason it hasn't been repealed? I'm sure it wasn't on anyone's mind before but it seems like a pretty obvious thing to do now. ???
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I see something along these lines in just about every article about this case:Is there a reason it hasn't been repealed? I'm sure it wasn't on anyone's mind before but it seems like a pretty obvious thing to do now. ???
It's just a tool in the toolbox that can be used or threatened to be used if needed.
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I see something along these lines in just about every article about this case:Is there a reason it hasn't been repealed? I'm sure it wasn't on anyone's mind before but it seems like a pretty obvious thing to do now. ???
It is another strong recommendation for the automatic 10 year sunset on all laws and regulations.
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List of officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn released: Biden, Comey, Obama chief of staff among them
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/grenell-releases-list-of-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-flynn-biden-comey-obama-intel-chiefs-among-them
So among others, many key members of Obama's staff had full knowledge of all this (as we knew) including Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/read-documents-listing-names-of-obama-era-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-michael-flynn
this has the list of people who made unmasking requests for transcripts from the Flynn investigation.
There are a lot of other people making these requests that I am surprised would be copied on this stuff. What the hell does the Treasury Secretary or someone in the Dept of Energy need to know this stuff for? And note this is just the people who requested names. There are obviously many more who read the transcripts which seems odd when they know they are investigating an opposition Presidential campaign. How much campaign planning and information was turned over to DNC people from all this?
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Biden is on the list. :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldF-fhHLwvY&t=146s
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But he only heard about it on the news.
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Biden is on the list. :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldF-fhHLwvY&t=146s
Also it kinda looks like the still redacted names are probably the actual "intel worker bees" who might need names unmasked for analysis, while the exposed list are the political wonks that wanted the info for other than intel reasons. Seems like there should be little reason for the UN Ambassador to get it, at least that early.
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In Biden's defense, is he really the same man he was in 2016/2017? He's forgotten everything he knew back then.
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Also it kinda looks like the still redacted names are probably the actual "intel worker bees" who might need names unmasked for analysis, while the exposed list are the political wonks that wanted the info for other than intel reasons. Seems like there should be little reason for the UN Ambassador to get it, at least that early.
What about the people with NATO in their job title? Why would they be involved in this?
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It is also sexist if Trump supporters want Barack Obama to be locked up?
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In Biden's defense, is he really the same man he was in 2016/2017? He's forgotten everything he knew back then.
POINT OF ORDER!
Are you asking us to assume that Biden knew anything back then?
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POINT OF ORDER!
Are you asking us to assume that Biden knew anything back then?
Would you accept that Biden has forgotten the fragrances of every woman/girl/victim he's sniffed since then?
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Now they're considering charging Flynn with perjury for pleading guilty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/court-asks-retired-judge-to-fight-justice-dept-effort-to-drop-michael-flynn-case-and-examine-if-ex-trump-adviser-committed-perjury/2020/05/13/8c0deb0a-9567-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html
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Holy *expletive deleted*ing miscarriage of justice Batman.
Is there no higher authority to slap down these *expletive deleted*ing morons?
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Would you accept that Biden has forgotten the fragrances of every woman/girl/victim he's sniffed since then?
Your a lyin dog faced pony soldier!
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Holy *expletive deleted*ing miscarriage of justice Batman.
Is there no higher authority to slap down these *expletive deleted*ing morons?
Foolish flyover little person! The deep state IS the higher authority! Bow the knee!
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Holy *expletive deleted*ing miscarriage of justice Batman.
Is there no higher authority to slap down these *expletive deleted*ing morons?
Judges can be impeached. Even if the R's got a huge majority in Congress, I am not sure they have the political will to do that.
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BABYLON BEE: Comey: 'We Did Not Spy---We Just Observed And Reported Secretly Without The Subject's Knowledge Or Consent'
https://babylonbee.com/news/comey-we-did-not-spy---we-just-observed-secretly-without-the-subjects-knowledge-or-consent?utm_content=buffer7e7a1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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I would have loved to see Grenell's reply be something along the lines of "You're not the boss of me!" or "You're not my real mom!" The one he gave was still pretty good though. :laugh:
Schiff is just such a slimy little weasel. He reminds me of President Logan on "24".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/17/finish-him-richard-grenell-puts-a-very-whiny-and-nervous-adam-sack-of-schiff-in-his-place-and-its-a-glorious-thing/
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Now they're considering charging Flynn with perjury for pleading guilty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/court-asks-retired-judge-to-fight-justice-dept-effort-to-drop-michael-flynn-case-and-examine-if-ex-trump-adviser-committed-perjury/2020/05/13/8c0deb0a-9567-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html
I wonder whether perjury is actually perjury when LE and the prosecutor holds a loaded gun to your head and tells you to plead guilty or else.
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I am reminded of my own small case. My family was the original party to report to the Navy on my behalf. NCIS was supposed to investigate, they had nothing, so they strongly pressured me to admit I did the thing. Well, I didn't and I was exceedingly hostile. It's what they do.
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This makes for a very interesting read...
Judge Sullivan's actions with the Flynn case apparently fly in the face of two on-point Supreme Court rulings, including a recent one that was unanimous.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markchenoweth/2020/05/14/judge-sullivan-disregards-two-controlling-precedents-by-appointing-amicus-in-flynn-case/#5a8b94f86f0a
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This makes for a very interesting read...
Judge Sullivan's actions with the Flynn case apparently fly in the face of two on-point Supreme Court rulings, including a recent one that was unanimous.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markchenoweth/2020/05/14/judge-sullivan-disregards-two-controlling-precedents-by-appointing-amicus-in-flynn-case/#5a8b94f86f0a
Violating norms is only bad when Trump does it.
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Violating norms is only bad when Trump does it.
There are no norms until Trump violates them
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When in doubt impeach
House Democrats told the Supreme Court on Monday that they are again in the midst of an "ongoing presidential impeachment investigation" as part of their "weighty constitutional responsibility" – and, the Democrats argued, redacted grand-jury material from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s now-completed Russia probe must be turned over as a result.
Specifically, the Democrats said they were looking into "the possible exercise of improper political influence over recent decisions made in the Roger Stone and Michael Flynn prosecutions, both of which were initiated by the special counsel."
Dems tell Supreme Court of 'ongoing' new impeachment inquiry in effort to obtain Mueller materials
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-cite-ongoing-new-impeachment-inquiry-in-effort-to-obtain-mueller-materials
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Heard an interesting speculation . . . wouldn't it be grand if, once this Flynn trial stuff is dropped, Trump named him as the new FBI director? >:D
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Heard an interesting speculation . . . wouldn't it be grand if, once this Flynn trial stuff is dropped, Trump named him as the new FBI director? >:D
I too, read Kim du Toit on the regular >:D
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Maybe one of the attorneys here can chime in because this sounds weird to layman me. The current judge in the Flynn case has hired an attorney to speak for him regarding his decisions in an ongoing case.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/23/what-a-circus-techno-fog-and-others-weigh-in-on-judge-emmet-sullivan-hiring-an-attorney-to-represent-him/
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Linked in another thread, good questions asked by the presidents press secretary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28pZKRcog3Q&feature=youtu.be
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Maybe one of the attorneys here can chime in because this sounds weird to layman me. The current judge in the Flynn case has hired an attorney to speak for him regarding his decisions in an ongoing case.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/23/what-a-circus-techno-fog-and-others-weigh-in-on-judge-emmet-sullivan-hiring-an-attorney-to-represent-him/
To it undermines any remaining idea that he is actually impartial.
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So MSNBC hired Lisa Page as an analyst...
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So MSNBC hired Lisa Page as an analyst...
You misspelled "anal cyst".
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For a time, my signature at work was: "Señor Programmer/Analcyst". Well, they said we could choose our own titles...
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Is it, though?
Is it, which?
:angel:
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This should get interesting,
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/24/case-dismissed-appeals-court-upholds-doj-decision-to-drop-criminal-case-against-gen-michael-flynn/
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/24/this-is-damning-peter-strzok-handwritten-notes-gen-flynn-legal-defense-called-totally-exculpatory-are-released-and-whoa-paging-joe-biden/
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Should? Yes. Will? Highly unlikely.
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Handwritten notes from fired former FBI agent Peter Strzok show that Obama himself directed key aspects of the campaign to target Flynn during a Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/24/explosive-new-fbi-notes-confirm-obama-directed-anti-flynn-operation/
Now to sit back and watch the drama unfold the nothing happen. Or the Democrats will somehow turn this into Republicans racially pouncing.
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Enough talk! When do the burnings at the stake begin? I've got some hot dogs on hold.
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I mean we could riot and pull down statues of Marx, Lenin, and Obama. That's the cool thing to do right?
Should we burn some token suburbs first, or just go straight to burning Georgetown and Chevy Chase?
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I mean we could riot and pull down statues of Marx, Lenin, and Obama. That's the cool thing to do right?
Should we burn some token suburbs first, or just go straight to burning Georgetown and Chevy Chase?
All the cool kids are doing it :P
Burning at the stake as in when we start seeing people getting punished not literally burning things.. or people.
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General Flynn writes an editorial.
https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-dont-act-2-people-control-98/
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The general got his writ.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/29/dc-court-of-appeals-blasts-judge-sullivan-for-michael-flynn-power-grabs/
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My bet is that the rogue judge will double down.
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I guess Sullivan has 3 options. Grant the dismissal, request a rehearing en banc, or appeal straight to SCOTUS.
He's probably going to try to drag it out past January 4 in hopes of a Biden administration that will reinstate the persecution of Flynn.
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My bet is that the rogue judge will double down.
The fact that he has yet to dismiss the case would seem to support your bet.
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Given everything that's come out, my guess is that if it eventually goes in front of Diana and the rest of the Supremes it's not going to go the way the libs want it to.
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Sullivan, particularly if he doubles down, but honestly even if not, should be impeached and removed and disbarred.
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Sullivan, particularly if he doubles down, but honestly even if not, should be impeached and removed and disbarred.
Agreed.
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Sullivan, particularly if he doubles down, but honestly even if not, should be impeached and removed and disbarred.
One would hope, but it's unlikely to happen.
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Note that I said "should" not "will". That was intentional.
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Given everything that's come out, my guess is that if it eventually goes in front of Diana and the rest of the Supremes it's not going to go the way the libs want it to.
If it gets to the SCOTUS, we may be surprised. Given some of Robert's recent decisions, I wouldn't make book on a proper and constitutional ruling.
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If it gets to the SCOTUS, we may be surprised. Given some of Robert's recent decisions, I wouldn't make book on a proper and constitutional ruling.
I think there's a good chance Ginsberg would vote in Flynn's favor. She has, for all her leftist bias, been pretty consistent on separation of powers. It wouldn't be the first time she's spanked a lower court, against left wing interests, in cases where the judge was this egregious in overstepping judicial bounds. Except for abortion cases anyway.
My bet, if it goes to SCOTUS, is 6-3 or 7-2 in Flynn's favor. Sotomayor and Breyer are likely locks against. Kagan is likely againt. But Ginsberg, Roberts, and the 4 conservatives are probably locks for Flynn.
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Even MSN seems to recognize that the
prosecution persecution of Flynn was political.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/flynns-prosecution-the-more-we-learn-the-worse-it-seems/ar-BB16kKDH
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Even MSN seems to recognize that the prosecution persecution of Flynn was political.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/flynns-prosecution-the-more-we-learn-the-worse-it-seems/ar-BB16kKDH
That's one "opinion contributor" that won't be contributing opinion articles to MSN anymore. I wonder how his article made it past the editors at MSN in the first place?
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Judge Sullivan has requested an en banc review of the order requiring him to drop the Flynn case.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/judge-asks-appeals-court-to-reconsider-decision-forcing-him-to-drop-michael-flynn-case.html
Who didn't see that coming?
My guess, the en banc review WILL be granted (a relative rarity), but the decision will stand.
And it will be appealed to the Supreme Court.
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Judge is clearly playing for time assuming that Biden wins and the DOJ under him will continue the persecution.
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Flynn is under a gag order that ends when the case ends ... somebody doesn't want him talking before the election =|
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En banc rehearing granted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/michael-flynn-appeals-court-will-reconsider-case-of-former-trump-aide.html
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En banc rehearing granted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/michael-flynn-appeals-court-will-reconsider-case-of-former-trump-aide.html
This is unheard of. I don't believe it bodes well for Flynn. Any bets on the entire court reversing the mandamus order?
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Not unheard of, but certainly a rare event.
I think this one is going to the Supreme Court.
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Unbelievable. But because 2020, to be expected.
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Unbelievable. But because 2020, to be expected.
I think more an "Orange Man Bad" from a predominately leftist court.
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They are trying to get Trump to pardon him before the election. I don't see that happening.
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And we're off to the races... again.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-circuit-court-grills-lawyers-michael-flynn-case-dismissal
I didn't realize that they it had gone onto the docket.
Going to be interesting...
Again, my prediction, the 2-1 ruling will be upheld and it will be immediately appealed to the Supreme Court.
Well, it's going to the Supreme Court no matter what.
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The "deep state" sure has pulled out all the stops in going after him.
Wonder why they are so obsessed with taking him down?
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The "deep state" sure has pulled out all the stops in going after him.
Wonder why they are so obsessed with taking him down?
I think people who really know the details of all the skullduggery have some good guesses, but to me it just seems like it's because so many other IMPEACHMENT-LEVEL!! scandals have slipped through their fingers. This case was on the cusp of getting the Left a nice, big trophy, when the adults stepped in. They just can't let it go.
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The "deep state" sure has pulled out all the stops in going after him.
Wonder why they are so obsessed with taking him down?
I think they're stuck in an "in for a penny, in for a pound" style situation. At this point, they have to win just to have the small win at each judiciary level, rather than the colossal loss of everything coming to light right before the election.
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And of course if it comes to light right before the election it is obviously trump's fault for rigging it to make himself look good. Pay no attention to all this stuff we started to topple a president before he was even sworn in.
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And...the Writ of Mandamus was denied by the full DC Circuit Court. The case has been sent back to Judge Sullivan for resolution.
No real surprise there as Sullivan had not taken any firm action in the case as yet, even with some of his nutty decisions and statements during the course of the trial. However, I am still suspicious of the Circuit Court, wondering if their ruling was tinged by Orange Man Bad syndrome.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/michael-flynn-case-dc-circuit-rules-against-mandamus-case/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/michael-flynn-case-dc-circuit-rules-against-mandamus-case/)
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The last couple of paragraphs seem to say that since the lower court hasn't actually made a decision yet, there are limits to what they can do and that they expect Sullivan to either dismiss or proceed with sentencing after which they can review everything.
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The last couple of paragraphs seem to say that since the lower court hasn't actually made a decision yet, there are limits to what they can do and that they expect Sullivan to either dismiss or proceed with sentencing after which they can review everything.
That was pretty much my take, as well.
I still think Judge Sullivan is a nut.