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Title: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 26, 2020, 08:35:44 PM
for murdering a black man during an arrest.  I'm sure you've heard about it.  I just watched the video.  I don't think race had much to do with it.  I assume the victim, George Floyd,  was resisting arrest and generally being a dick before the video starts.  But he was not resisting (and was reportedly handcuffed) for the 4 minutes the cop calmly kneeled on his neck to make sure he was good and dead.

The FBI is investigating; the State of Minnesota should bow out and let them have the first bite of this one -- the feds have the death penalty and MN doesn't.  And that's exactly what the state prosecutor should say in the press release.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on May 26, 2020, 09:23:11 PM
I think they already fired four cops.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 26, 2020, 09:27:40 PM
I think they already fired four cops.

Yes.  That's a lot faster than normal.  But without a criminal prosecution, they'll just end up hired by another smaller police dept or SO.  Or Minneapolis possibly forced by the union to rehire them with back-pay.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2020, 09:33:33 PM
I don't think race had much to do with it.

90% of the MSM/dems and all of the race baiters are going to spend the next 6 months or more reminding you of the "fact" that race was/is the only issue.
Surprised I haven't seen something blaming Orange Man yet but I'm fairly certain somewhere someone is working on it.

I will say this, it doesn't look good for the cops involved I just wish the knee jerk "it's race!" reaction wasn't so automatic.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 26, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Wel, if you look at it from the perspective of the majority of the police it is a "race" issue. The police race and the subject race.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 27, 2020, 06:50:04 AM
I wonder how long communities are going to watch this kind of thing and video from the sidelines?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on May 27, 2020, 07:01:08 AM
That was pretty rough.  Seemed like downright sadism.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 27, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
I watched the video. The cop sat with his knee on the guys neck for 10 minutes. From other pictures, there were also TWO OTHER POLICE (with the other officer standing by making up the 4 that got fired) sitting on the lower parts of the murder victim.

There is absolutely no circumstances where the murderer oh, right, police officer, who sat on his neck needed to be there with two other cops on an already handcuffed victim. He especially didn't need to be there for 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 27, 2020, 08:06:04 AM
90% of the MSM/dems and all of the race baiters are going to spend the next 6 months or more reminding you of the "fact" that race was/is the only issue.
Surprised I haven't seen something blaming Orange Man yet but I'm fairly certain somewhere someone is working on it.

I will say this, it doesn't look good for the cops involved I just wish the knee jerk "it's race!" reaction wasn't so automatic.



While it looks like the right course of action is being taken here, every time I see one of these incidents in the news, I have to wonder how many times it happens involving other races, yet never making it in the news.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 27, 2020, 08:09:48 AM
While it looks like the right course of action is being taken here, every time I see one of these incidents in the news, I have to wonder how many times it happens involving other races, yet never making it in the news.

I'm fairly certain it's not race. The police will overreact to any race of person they feel "threatened" by. I'm reminded of the veteran murdered in Nevada where the police kept screaming conflicting orders at him until they decided to shoot him.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxCgofCRefY
Timcast goes on at length about it.  He claims he was arrested once and the officer pinned his head down with his knee.

Which leads to me to ask how widespread this sort of tactic is?  I can sort of see a knee in the back when trying to cuff the guy.   Putting your weight down on someone's neck is probably going to injure them every time.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 27, 2020, 09:21:37 AM
Prediction: We will discover these officers (especially the one who murdered the guy) have had serious complaints against them previously.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 27, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
I wonder how long communities are going to watch this kind of thing and video from the sidelines?

I've thought a lot about that.  Anyone witnessing that would have been legally and morally justified in killing that cop.  But to what end?  You can't kill all 4 of them; his buddies will kill you.  And they victim was likely already mortally wounded.  If you somehow miraculously survive the encounter, you won't survive the murder trial -- I said you'd be legally justified, but the criminal justice system won't see it that way because you killed one of theirs.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 27, 2020, 09:35:15 AM
I've watched some Live PD lately. They obviously won't be showing any recordings that make cops look racist, but it does seem really obvious they want all their failure-to-signal and no-license-tag-light stops to turn into drug arrests.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 27, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
I've thought a lot about that.  Anyone witnessing that would have been legally and morally justified in killing that cop.  But to what end?  You can't kill all 4 of them; his buddies will kill you.  And they victim was likely already mortally wounded.  If you somehow miraculously survive the encounter, you won't survive the murder trial -- I said you'd be legally justified, but the criminal justice system won't see it that way because you killed one of theirs.

If all four of them standing there get shot, and there's no one there to arrest when backup shows up?  Some of these city folks have got to be doing that math.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on May 27, 2020, 11:59:46 AM
The police are really pushing it. Not only this stuff but the salon and such arrests.

They are pissing everybody off.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 27, 2020, 02:26:39 PM
If all four of them standing there get shot, and there's no one there to arrest when backup shows up?  Some of these city folks have got to be doing that math.

One person probably can't do it alone.  It will take a somewhat coordinated attack -- I predict those will start happening, but they'll be against some random cops in a donut shop after the fact, not renegade cops caught killing someone for sport.  I think it's happened before.

Maybe we ought to be recruiting urban blacks for IDPA pistol leagues...  [rest of the paragraph deleted, use your imagination]
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 27, 2020, 04:40:32 PM
I've thought a lot about that.  Anyone witnessing that would have been legally and morally justified in killing that cop.  But to what end?  You can't kill all 4 of them; his buddies will kill you.  And they victim was likely already mortally wounded.  If you somehow miraculously survive the encounter, you won't survive the murder trial -- I said you'd be legally justified, but the criminal justice system won't see it that way because you killed one of theirs.

One cop doing the murder, two holding down the victim, and another making sure no one tries to save the victim.

All four would have been a good shoot.  Preferably with intermediate rifle caliber because soft armor.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on May 27, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
Gents, you're walking some thin ice here between speculation about legalities and advocation of killing cops by discussing means and tactics.  This thread is going to be short lived.

edited for clarity
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 27, 2020, 05:39:42 PM
What I'm afraid is going to happen is random cops are going to get ambushed and killed because of this. 

They've released the names of the 4 cops involved today.  I think the cop with the knee has been arrested.  Also additional video from another angle that shows they lied about the "reisisting" part.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: JN01 on May 27, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
I don’t think the knee on the neck is the cause of death.  If the cop was putting a lot of weight on the face down victims back, it could have killed him by positional asphyxia.  Anyone routinely involved in restraining individuals (LE, Corrections, Mental Health) should be aware of that potential danger.  If the prosecution can show the cop received documented training on positional asphyxia, it will be harder to defend his actions.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on May 27, 2020, 06:18:17 PM
I think what would turn this around right quick is if cops lose their blanket immunity.   Instead of only suing the department, sue the cops *individually*.   Instead of police getting deferential treatment from the courts, they face the exact same criminal repercussions as if a non-LEO did it.  I don't know the best means for oversight, whether that be a combined LE and non-LE board that reviews these, judicial review, or what. But the only way to have good oversight on something like this is if you have good people on such boards, and that's a hard task.

But ultimately, there has to be a better way of sorting this out where good shoots/use of force would still be justifiable, but bad uses of force would be a lot less protected.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 27, 2020, 07:00:30 PM
I don’t think the knee on the neck is the cause of death.  If the cop was putting a lot of weight on the face down victims back, it could have killed him by positional asphyxia.  Anyone routinely involved in restraining individuals (LE, Corrections, Mental Health) should be aware of that potential danger.  If the prosecution can show the cop received documented training on positional asphyxia, it will be harder to defend his actions.
I have had a knee in my neck in a very similar position. Held for a few minutes I could easily see it leading to death.  That is not the kind of maneuver you employ long term and the cop should have learned that in his defensive tactics class.

That said ...
1. I really don’t think the cop was intentionally trying to kill this guy despite the commentary here and among the rioters claiming he was.  Looks to me like he was criminally careless, and appears to be deserving of prosecution, but I don’t think he set out to murder his victim.
2. A crowd repeatedly berating and telling the cops what to do (even if, as in this case, the crowd were completely right) and berating them is going to tend to make those cops dig in. I don’t know that the cops would have been more attentive to their victim had they not had a crowd berating them, but it definitely didn’t help.  I’m not sure how an outsider could intervene in this kind of scenario without making things worse.  In some neighborhoods surrounding police trying to conduct an arrest and yelling at them is kind of a sport, but sometimes it is justified.
3. Overreacting when scared is not limited to police by any stretch.

AmbulanceDriver,
How would that solution change this kind of situation?  The cops are not protected by immunity in this case and all involved have been fired and at least one appears to be facing prosecution.  Have to watch the case, of course, but at this stage I don’t see any indication that this is being covered up or kid gloved.

Also, civilian oversight boards are already a thing.  Members tend to be good looking, sensible types, above average in every respect.  ;)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 07:31:08 PM
I think what would turn this around right quick is if cops lose their blanket immunity.   Instead of only suing the department, sue the cops *individually*.   Instead of police getting deferential treatment from the courts, they face the exact same criminal repercussions as if a non-LEO did it.  I don't know the best means for oversight, whether that be a combined LE and non-LE board that reviews these, judicial review, or what. But the only way to have good oversight on something like this is if you have good people on such boards, and that's a hard task.

But ultimately, there has to be a better way of sorting this out where good shoots/use of force would still be justifiable, but bad uses of force would be a lot less protected.  

Even if there was no immunity, the prosecutors and juries could still be reluctant to convict.  Of course, they could also be looking to convict.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50
Looking at this, it is hard to tell if he really can't breathe or not especially since he keeps talking at least at first.  He shifts his shoulders a few times and I can't tell what is going on the other side of the car.  The officer with his knee on him has one knee on his neck and one further down.  I can't tell how his weight is distributed, but he is putting his weight down on the guy.  In this video, it looks like other officers are doing something with his hands or legs.  Can't tell if they are trying to restrain him or something else.

Edit:  Of course, he was unconscious when they finally put him in the car so there was more happening than this first video showed. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzkgKPZWcw
CBS report with other snippets of video.  You can see a clip showing Floyd limp as they start to pick him up.  It isn't clear from the other angles they show briefly if the other two officers are doing anything that needed him to remain pinned on the ground. 

I can't tell what happened exactly, but the guy was living when they pinned him down and apparently dead when they picked him up.  Think the coroner will find something new?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on May 27, 2020, 08:12:07 PM
I'd like to hear the medical report about what killed the guy.

If you can say "I can't breathe" then you can breathe. 

I seem to remember the Eric Garner may have died from a heart attack, caused by him being a fat guy being dogpiled, which compressed the chest.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on May 27, 2020, 09:39:02 PM
Let's loot target!

Hard to link from this thing but you can find it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 27, 2020, 10:11:02 PM
Let's loot target!

Hard to link from this thing but you can find it.

Makes you just want to hate everyone involved on both sides. Or just hate people. They also apparently destroyed a car with a "Trump" sticker on it and beat the driver.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/27/minneapolis-citizens-protest-the-police-killing-of-george-floyd-by-looting-target/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 27, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
I'd like to hear the medical report about what killed the guy.

If you can say "I can't breathe" then you can breathe. 
 
It means you have some air left in your lungs, not that you are bringing in sufficient new oxygen to survive.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 28, 2020, 03:58:42 AM
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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on May 28, 2020, 06:33:50 AM
I saw an interview with at least one fairly articulate masked protestor - he said that had HE knelt on someone's neck until they died, he would have been hauled off to jail IMMEDIATELY.

Valid point, IMHO.

Let's loot target!
Why not? POLICE WILL NOT INTERFERE!! TV story said Minneapolis police were AWOL, and some sheriff's police stopped by, looked at the looting, honked their horns, and drove away.   :mad:

Why the hell are taxpayers paying these guys?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 28, 2020, 08:22:03 AM
What are the police supposed to do?  There nothing they could do to stop the looting that wouldn't make the situation worse.

Don't get me wrong, I think the police have painted themselves into this particular corner with the way they have treated really all non police folks for decades now. Thin blue line goes both ways kiddos. Be that as it may, at this point any use of force or trying to arrest looters is likely to just inflame them, and may very well end up with more bodies.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 28, 2020, 08:28:12 AM
What are the police supposed to do?  There nothing they could do to stop the looting that wouldn't make the situation worse.

Don't get me wrong, I think the police have painted themselves into this particular corner with the way they have treated really all non police folks for decades now. Thin blue line goes both ways kiddos. Be that as it may, at this point any use of force or trying to arrest looters is likely to just inflame them, and may very well end up with more bodies.

Plus, it's Target. This is exactly what their company wants from the government, so I'm honestly not all that bothered by their just desserts.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2020, 08:34:45 AM
Rioting has greatly escalated. People protecting a business have been labeled "vigilantes". One store owner apparently shot a looter. We'll see what the justice system does with him.

Even though I believe the officers should be fully investigated and prosecuted if the evidence leads to that, whenever I see this kind of looting and rioting I just want to say, "screw it". The same way many black people label all whites as racists, I want to just say, "I guess black people have it coming". I hate the road blocking stuff that BLM always does, but at least I can connect it to an actual event that the protestors believe in. This looting stuff is some black people using a black person's death to get a free TV. Shoot on sight.

If they want to get tough, instead of looting and destroying the property of innocent people, go riot and loot at City Hall and police stations.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/armed-citizens-guard-stores-amid-looting-in-minneapolis-report

Quote
“These guys are out here with machetes, with shattered windows trying to keep looters out because cops can’t get in here,” one of the armed men said. “So I figured before there were cops, there were Americans. So here we are.”

Also:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/28/woman-in-a-wheelchair-possibly-armed-with-a-knife-attacked-inside-of-minneapolis-target-during-last-nights-riot/

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgghI3WPSLw
George Floyd police breakdown with Donut Operator. 

I didn't know Floyd was taken into custody for passing fake $10 bills.  Donut doesn't have kind things to say about the police involved.  He includes a video from another guy on the responsibilities of police officers. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 28, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/27/new-video-shows-moments-george-floyd-pinned-on-ground/

Two pertinent facts I noticed from this video.

1) Mr. Floyd was already handcuffed before they murdered* him. Which means that having 3 men hold him down was not necessary to "control" him.

2) The lead murderer was not involved in the initial encounter. His anger at having his "AUTHORITAH" ignored was not from a lengthy struggle.  







*Others have objected to this formulation, but, while I don't know Minnesota statutes, I'm betting "Depraved Indifference" or the like will still qualify as murder.  EDIT: Oh, hey, look at this: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195 I'm exactly right.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 28, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
Seems like we need to get the folks in Minneapolis some AR's and body armor. Apparently that leads to a calmer protest on all sides.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on May 28, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
This is Biden’s election. We turn this up to 11, forget the stupid crap he said, his lifetime of support for dubious crime policies, ignore anything like Harris’s record on crime and get them elected because racist trump. Oh, and ignore all the riots during the reign of the great healer too.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
Rioting has greatly escalated. People protecting a business have been labeled "vigilantes". One store owner apparently shot a looter. We'll see what the justice system does with him.

Even though I believe the officers should be fully investigated and prosecuted if the evidence leads to that, whenever I see this kind of looting and rioting I just want to say, "screw it". The same way many black people label all whites as racists, I want to just say, "I guess black people have it coming". I hate the road blocking stuff that BLM always does, but at least I can connect it to an actual event that the protestors believe in. This looting stuff is some black people using a black person's death to get a free TV. Shoot on sight.

If they want to get tough, instead of looting and destroying the property of innocent people, go riot and loot at City Hall and police stations.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/armed-citizens-guard-stores-amid-looting-in-minneapolis-report

Also:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/28/woman-in-a-wheelchair-possibly-armed-with-a-knife-attacked-inside-of-minneapolis-target-during-last-nights-riot/


Understand that I don't support riots, looting, burning, etc. It's stupid and they should be letting the courts do their thing, but I am gonna somewhat play devils advocate for just a moment.

Given the state of things if a cop, a set of cops, is going to be so damn stupid as to on video and with witnesses flat out murder someone, in a slow and agonizing way as essentially suffocating them, the results should in no way shape or form be surprising. Acceptable? Again no, not at all. The animals are being animals, and surprising or not a dangerous animal is never acceptable to have close to the homestead. But at the same time, don't go out of your way to rile up the freaking animals and send them stampeding.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jocassee on May 28, 2020, 02:18:34 PM
Understand that I don't support riots, looting, burning, etc. It's stupid and they should be letting the courts do their thing, but I am gonna somewhat play devils advocate for just a moment.

Given the state of things if a cop, a set of cops, is going to be so damn stupid as to on video and with witnesses flat out murder someone, in a slow and agonizing way as essentially suffocating them, the results should in no way shape or form be surprising. Acceptable? Again no, not at all. The animals are being animals, and surprising or not a dangerous animal is never acceptable to have close to the homestead. But at the same time, don't go out of your way to rile up the freaking animals and send them stampeding.

This is the reality on the ground and we should all be acting as though it is the reality. That includes cops. ESPECIALLY cops.

None of the cops in this video had the common sense God gave a bunny rabbit.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: grampster on May 28, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
The defenders of freedom and minorities...the Democrats...should ride in and take over the government of the city of Minneapolis so that they can hire a believer in diversity police chief and better train an intersectionality of Minneapolis poli....Oh, wait...Minneapolis has been governed by Democrats since, well, nearly forever and it has been Democrats who appointed the police chief (s).   You reap as you sow.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
The defenders of freedom and minorities...the Democrats...should ride in and take over the government of the city of Minneapolis so that they can hire a believer in diversity police chief and better train an intersectionality of Minneapolis poli....Oh, wait...Minneapolis has been governed by Democrats since, well, nearly forever and it has been Democrats who appointed the police chief (s).   You reap as you sow.
Democrat Governor also. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Viking on May 28, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
This doesn´t merely look "bad". It looks absolutely horrendous, and my snap judgement is that all of them need to serve some very long time behind bars to various degrees.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 03:41:14 PM
The defenders of freedom and minorities...the Democrats...should ride in and take over the government of the city of Minneapolis so that they can hire a believer in diversity police chief and better train an intersectionality of Minneapolis poli....Oh, wait...Minneapolis has been governed by Democrats since, well, nearly forever and it has been Democrats who appointed the police chief (s).   You reap as you sow.
Excuse me while I adjust my devil's advocate hat a tad...there we go

This isn't a Democrat or Republican, Right or Left, Black or White issue. This is a jackboot respect my authorita and if you wont I'll make it hurt issue, if the crowd won't then I'll make it hurt some more to put on a show and prove a point issue. And because fellow cops won't toss budding abusive psychopaths who get an authority hard on out before they step up their game thin blue line issue.

*expletive deleted*ck that. I support cops. GOOD cops. And when good cops do something justified and the animals get riled up about it, I couldnt care less how much of the annual year gas budget get tossed downrange for funsies.

But good cops don't do stupid *expletive deleted*it like this. Good cops don't dog pile a guy who's only resisting because you're quite literally murdering him.

Yes, I vehemently disagree with burning and looting. It's criminal, it's stupid, and it's pointless. But outrage over this kind of conduct didn't happen over night, it's been building quite literally for decades. And unfortunately, I really don't find myself able to get overly pissed off at the animals for a change. Let the business owners send a bill to the city for having an environment where animals like those four cops were allowed to thrive till they up and killed someone.

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Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2020, 04:15:49 PM

Yes, I vehemently disagree with burning and looting. It's criminal, it's stupid, and it's pointless. But outrage over this kind of conduct didn't happen over night, it's been building quite literally for decades. And unfortunately, I really don't find myself able to get overly pissed off at the animals for a change. Let the business owners send a bill to the city for having an environment where animals like those four cops were allowed to thrive till they up and killed someone.

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Yeah, but the city will use its many on-retainer attorneys to outspend the innocent people trying to recoup their losses. That's not just the Targets and the Autozones, that's also the lady in the wheelchair and the guy who got beat up because of his "Trump" bumper sticker.

I just can't work up any sympathy or justification for looters destroying innocent businesses and harming innocent people. Take it out on your aggressor. Steal liquor and TVs because a man's death is your opportunity to do so, and you deserve to be shot in the face.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 28, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
I support some individual police officers, if I know them personally.  I am finding it harder and harder to support "Law Enforcement" and I don't support any Law Enforcement Agencies I can think of.  Between the seemingly never ending series of throwing their weight around and accidentally killing suspects, kicking in doors and shooting people at 0-dark-30, rolling in MRAPs whenever they have an excuse like they are military, and happily following blatantly unconstitutional orders during COVID cops no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.  Prove to me you are a moral person that happens to be a cop, and I'll support you.  Until then I will assume you are a thug that will take my freedoms or maybe kill me without recourse.  AS Terry might say: It ain't the odds, it's the stakes.

On the riots and looting?  I'm pretty meh.  That's not how I would handle this situation were it in my community, but folks are getting killed with regularity, and while these cops might face real consequences, we all know that is a rarity.  The folks in that community probably have many more stories of thuggery by cops that didn't make national news, no trust in the justice system to make it right, and no trust in the authorities to stop it with anything more then the barest of lip service, and I can't say I blame them or find fault in those assumptions.

They are angry, scared, and hopeless and a bunch have clearly entered the "burn it all down" phase.  Like I said, that's not how I would handle it, but I see where they are coming from.

If they had the cultural background (and weapons) we do, they'd be in city hall with AR's demanding blood, and I wouldn't blame them there either.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 28, 2020, 04:38:57 PM
On the riots and looting?  I'm pretty meh.  That's not how I would handle this situation were it in my community, but folks are getting killed with regularity, and while these cops might face real consequences, we all know that is a rarity.  The folks in that community probably have many more stories of thuggery by cops that didn't make national news, no trust in the justice system to make it right, and no trust in the authorities to stop it with anything more then the barest of lip service, and I can't say I blame them or find fault in those assumptions.

They are angry, scared, and hopeless and a bunch have clearly entered the "burn it all down" phase.  Like I said, that's not how I would handle it, but I see where they are coming from.

If they had the cultural background (and weapons) we do, they'd be in city hall with AR's demanding blood, and I wouldn't blame them there either.

So burn down a police station, don't use it as an excuse to rob a liquor store or steal a TV or high-priced tennis shoes.  Next thing you know they will rob a Church's Fried Chicken.  Or burn down a watermelon farm.  It's like they are trying to reenforce their worst stereotypes.  You don't gain sympathy for your cause that way; instead you squander what sympathy you had already.

Next they will be whining about "food deserts" and businesses not willing to open in their neighborhoods because racism.  No, its because you ran off the stores that were there.

Okay, the watermelon farm was a bit much.  I know there are no farms in the big city.  A watermelon stand, maybe.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
You assume they give a flip about your sympathy. As dogmush said, they're in burn it all down mode.

Is it right? No. Am I going to cry if someone shoots a looter in the face that tries breaking into their store? Hell no.

But at the same time, this has been building and largely ignored for decades. When you rule up the animals I loose a lot of my give a *expletive deleted*ck. The individuals caught in the middle and store owners and such? Absolutely I feel for em, and again I'm not gonna she'd a year if they pop a looter. But the local police and government that have to deal with said mess? I'm severely lacking and sympathy on this one.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 28, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
So burn down a police station, don't use it as an excuse to rob a liquor store or steal a TV or high-priced tennis shoes.  Next thing you know they will rob a Church's Fried Chicken.  Or burn down a watermelon farm.  It's like they are trying to reenforce their worst stereotypes.  You don't gain sympathy for your cause that way; instead you squander what sympathy you had already.

Next they will be whining about "food deserts" and businesses not willing to open in their neighborhoods because racism.  No, its because you ran off the stores that were there.

Okay, the watermelon farm was a bit much.  I know there are no farms in the big city.  A watermelon stand, maybe.

1. I said that's not the route I would take.

2. It does not look to me like they are trying to gain sympathy for their cause.  All my white friends are projecting that on to rioters, because that seems sensible, but from observation, the folks rioting and looting aren't trying to gain sympathy for anything, because they don't think they'll get it.  They are angry and lashing out.  FWIW, they aren't really wrong.  We've seen in the past quite a few more traditional, peaceful protests against the police, and those didn't get *expletive deleted*it except Karen's posting on Facebook "#BLM" and wearing pins.

TL:DR: They aren't trying to fix *expletive deleted*it.  They are trying to burn *expletive deleted*it, and accomplishing it handily.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2020, 05:02:01 PM


Is it right? No. Am I going to cry if someone shoots a looter in the face that tries breaking into their store? Hell no.

A problem is, what will happen to the people that defend their homes and businesses? When this crap happens, those people won't be tried in a court of law, they will be tried in a court of emotion along with  "the looters had justification". Al Sharpton will be sitting in the courtroom calling for hate murder charges.

Half these looters have big smiles on their faces. They are not protesting or angry. They are opportunists taking advantage of Floyd's death. If people defending themselves and their property were to have no fear of prosecution, hey, try and loot away if you can survive it. Let Darwin sort 'em out.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 28, 2020, 05:02:39 PM

TL:DR: They aren't trying to fix *expletive deleted*it.  They are trying to burn *expletive deleted*it, and accomplishing it handily.

Yes they are.  Their targeting needs some work though.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: JN01 on May 28, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 05:24:06 PM
So burn down a police station, don't use it as an excuse to rob a liquor store or steal a TV or high-priced tennis shoes.  .

Police stations tend to have people inside with guns.
As far as the rest goes 99% of the people doing it would be like George who? if asked.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
A problem is, what will happen to the people that defend their homes and businesses? When this crap happens, those people won't be tried in a court of law, they will be tried in a court of emotion along with  "the looters had justification". Al Sharpton will be sitting in the courtroom calling for hate murder charges.

Half these looters have big smiles on their faces. They are not protesting or angry. They are opportunists taking advantage of Floyd's death. If people defending themselves and their property were to have no fear of prosecution, hey, try and loot away if you can survive it. Let Darwin sort 'em out.
That is of course a reasonable question, and if/when that happens, I'll happily support the person defending themselves.

As to not protesting or being angry? They're pissed and rightly so. They're execution sucks, but don't assume that they're way of demonstrating it doesn't make sense to you means that they're only doing it for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 05:30:12 PM
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.
A question I'm sure his lawyer is going to have an aneurysm trying to answer as part of their task of defending him. Likely a case of my authorita means you and the crowd will comply and I'm going to double down until you do, even if I'm wrong or I murder you whilst proving my dick is bigger.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
Police stations tend to have people inside with guns.
As far as the rest goes 99% of the people doing it would be like George who? if asked.
This begs the question though of "does George who" matter exactly. They don't need to know him or be his best friend to be rightly pissed off.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 05:38:09 PM
This begs the question though of "does George who" matter exactly. They don't need to know him or be his best friend to be rightly pissed off.

Not my point. Be willing to bet good money most of the looters couldn't care less who George Floyd is or what happened to him they just see an opportunity to loot and burn. Not saying they don't have a rightful reason to be pissed off, heck I am but for some strange reason I don't feel the urge to go steal tennis shoes
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 28, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
I haven't researched the incident, but was wondering if any explanation was given as to why the cop was leaning on the victim for 10 minutes. Was it his lunch break?  Were they waiting on a paddy wagon?  Seems like once they had him cuffed, they could have stuffed him in the cruiser and hauled him off to jail.  Staying there, particularly with hostile witnesses gathering, seems bizarre.

I assume it's because it's a non-messy way to kill someone, and to show all the onlookers that HE was the boss.  "I'm a cop, you're not.  Watch, I can kill this man and there's not a thing you can do about it; and I have qualified immunity"  I don't know why the other cop assisted him, but I know why they didn't stop him, you don't stop your buddy when he's on a roll.  And qualified immunity again.

But maybe I just have a bad attitude and am reading my own emotions into it.   :lol:

I really want this to be a death penalty case.  18 USC §242 would work and it doesn't require premeditation.  It'd be easy to prove the "willful" part.  Show the entire video.  Stop it every 5 seconds and ask why he didn't take his knee off the man now.  It will take a while because there are a lot of 5 seconds's.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 28, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
But at the same time, this has been building and largely ignored for decades.
Have they really?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 28, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
Have they really?

Yep.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/chief-prosecutor-amy-klobuchar-dismissed-charges-cop-killed-george-floyd/267933/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2020, 05:58:38 PM

As to not protesting or being angry? They're pissed and rightly so. They're execution sucks, but don't assume that they're way of demonstrating it doesn't make sense to you means that they're only doing it for shits and giggles.

I meant the half that were smiling. I'm sure a good number of them are angry and doing it in the "burn it down" sense, but plenty of them are doing it for fun and free stuff, as happens it pretty much all looting incidents.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: grampster on May 28, 2020, 06:15:11 PM
"Excuse me while I adjust my devil's advocate hat a tad...there we go

This isn't a Democrat or Republican, Right or Left, Black or White issue."


Well, yes it is.  A culture has been built for decades beginning with LBJ and his Great Society and War on Poverty which has fractured the black family leaving a vacuum filled by gangs, crime and drugs, created the government plantation of welfare and ghettos, disdain for education, work, rule of law, and misdirected the anger from all the government has perpetrated into a belief in institutional racism.  There is institutional racism and it is the Federal and State Governments that have continued to perpetrate LBJ's destruction.  Apparently it's long forgotten the exact quote by LBJ on a plane in the presence of several witnesses with respect to what group of people would be voting Democrat for the next 100 years.  Well, its been nearly 60 and counting I remember being a cop in the 60's.  It was not perfect but it surely was different then than it is now because of the hatred that has grown in the Ghetto Culture that has evolved.  It's a Democrat creation aided and abetted by the cowards in the Republican Party.  The Socialists and Leftists and out and out Communists have capitalized on it while the blame is further directed at the business community with looting and burning.  I suppose one could write a book about it if one had the courage to take all of the hatred that would be directed at the author for being a bigot and a racist rather than the exposure of the real villain.

As for Black and White issues...many black people have decided to not participate in the political genocide created by the Leftists in the D party and have become successful and usually pretty quiet about it.  Unfortunately, some others have decided to use their success to fan the flames of the hatred that has been created to divide us as Americans. A good deal of white Americans who have bought into the propaganda and cultural genocide have also climbed on the wagon of hate.  Subliminally these white folks hate themselves because they just can't face the destruction committed by the political institution they have supported.  

There are millions and millions of white Americans who care not a whit about skin color or the other natural differences and proclivities of their fellows and yet are painted with the large brush that has been created for one purpose....to divide us.  The loudest voices of accusation are actually the voices of disorder, division, hatred.   Many Americans are either unwitting pawns or dupes of the hyphenization of Americans and the political scheme that has been ongoing for a long, long time.

As for the cops, they are like the rest of our society.  Some are good, some are really good.  Some are just disinterested.
Some are bad and some are really bad.  If the social manipulators who enjoy bragging about how they are the saviors of Things Good, actually really were what they claim to be, police officers would be more carefully selected, carefully trained carefully managed, and carefully weeded out when necessary.  But they do not because a 4'9" cocky, pick your race, transgender with a bad attitude must be granted xe's right to be a cop.  When that cop screws up, who gets the blame?   The bad cops are the result of the notion than anyone can be a cop; tall, short, black, white, brown, yellow, red, male or female or one confused about gender... and that might be true.  But The Social Justice Warriors are afraid to weed out the ones who are not actually qualified to have the authority to ultimately be able to take away the freedom of another.  One of the finest men I knew who was a police captain, who watched his officers with with a jaundiced eye, once told me that the the police officer's ability to take away another person's freedom is one of the most powerful responsibilities and should be the most carefully guarded.   Qualified is another marker that is NOT used in today's cultural swamp.  If one can't decide whether one is actually a male or female, it becomes rather difficult to decide who might make a good or bad cop.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 28, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Yep.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/chief-prosecutor-amy-klobuchar-dismissed-charges-cop-killed-george-floyd/267933/
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
"Excuse me while I adjust my devil's advocate hat a tad...there we go

This isn't a Democrat or Republican, Right or Left, Black or White issue."


Well, yes it is.  A culture has been built for decades beginning with LBJ and his Great Society and War on Poverty which has fractured the black family leaving a vacuum filled by gangs, crime and drugs, created the government plantation of welfare and ghettos, disdain for education, work, rule of law, and misdirected the anger from all the government has perpetrated into a belief in institutional racism.  There is institutional racism and it is the Federal and State Governments that have continued to perpetrate LBJ's destruction.  Apparently it's long forgotten the exact quote by LBJ on a plane in the presence of several witnesses with respect to what group of people would be voting Democrat for the next 100 years.  Well, its been nearly 60 and counting I remember being a cop in the 60's.  It was not perfect but it surely was different then than it is now because of the hatred that has grown in the Ghetto Culture that has evolved.  It's a Democrat creation aided and abetted by the cowards in the Republican Party.  The Socialists and Leftists and out and out Communists have capitalized on it while the blame is further directed at the business community with looting and burning.  I suppose one could write a book about it if one had the courage to take all of the hatred that would be directed at the author for being a bigot and a racist rather than the exposure of the real villain.

As for Black and White issues...many black people have decided to not participate in the political genocide created by the Leftists in the D party and have become successful and usually pretty quiet about it.  Unfortunately, some others have decided to use their success to fan the flames of the hatred that has been created to divide us as Americans. A good deal of white Americans who have bought into the propaganda and cultural genocide have also climbed on the wagon of hate.  Subliminally these white folks hate themselves because they just can't face the destruction committed by the political institution they have supported.  

There are millions and millions of white Americans who care not a whit about skin color or the other natural differences and proclivities of their fellows and yet are painted with the large brush that has been created for one purpose....to divide us.  The loudest voices of accusation are actually the voices of disorder, division, hatred.   Many Americans are either unwitting pawns or dupes of the hyphenization of Americans and the political scheme that has been ongoing for a long, long time.

As for the cops, they are like the rest of our society.  Some are good, some are really good.  Some are just disinterested.
Some are bad and some are really bad.  If the social manipulators who enjoy bragging about how they are the saviors of Things Good, actually really were what they claim to be, police officers would be more carefully selected, carefully trained carefully managed, and carefully weeded out when necessary.  But they do not because a 4'9" cocky, pick your race, transgender with a bad attitude must be granted xe's right to be a cop.  When that cop screws up, who gets the blame?   The bad cops are the result of the notion than anyone can be a cop; tall, short, black, white, brown, yellow, red, male or female or one confused about gender... and that might be true.  But The Social Justice Warriors are afraid to weed out the ones who are not actually qualified to have the authority to ultimately be able to take away the freedom of another.  One of the finest men I knew who was a police captain, who watched his officers with with a jaundiced eye, once told me that the the police officer's ability to take away another person's freedom is one of the most powerful responsibilities and should be the most carefully guarded.   Qualified is another marker that is NOT used in today's cultural swamp.  If one can't decide whether one is actually a male or female, it becomes rather difficult to decide who might make a good or bad cop.
Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 28, 2020, 06:52:40 PM
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?

I'm not sure how accurate that is.

There were 1,004 people killed by police in 2019, and 23% of them were black.  Not all of those made national news, and I'm sure some barely blipped the local news.

source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

FWIW, the 2010 Census has 12.6% of the US as black or African American, so they are pretty badly over-represented in being capped by the police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#Black_and_African_Americans
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 28, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
I support some individual police officers, if I know them personally.  I am finding it harder and harder to support "Law Enforcement" and I don't support any Law Enforcement Agencies I can think of.  Between the seemingly never ending series of throwing their weight around and accidentally killing suspects, kicking in doors and shooting people at 0-dark-30, rolling in MRAPs whenever they have an excuse like they are military, and happily following blatantly unconstitutional orders during COVID cops no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.  Prove to me you are a moral person that happens to be a cop, and I'll support you.  Until then I will assume you are a thug that will take my freedoms or maybe kill me without recourse.  AS Terry might say: It ain't the odds, it's the stakes.

The above sums it up rather well. There are a few, individual police officers I've known over the years whom I like and respect. That said, in general I have zero respect for "cops" in general, because too many of them act like jackbooted thugs, and the rest continue to cover for the bad apples instead of weeding them out.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 28, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
What do you think that article shows?

Secondly, for years now all cases where a police officer kills a black man have gotten heavy scrutiny and often national attention, even in cases where the shooting was fully justified.  How does that square with "largely ignored for decades"?
Because law enforcement agencies can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that heavy handed tactics are back firing, tolerance for thin blue line protection of bad apples is waiting, it's pushing things in certain communities to a breaking point, and despite aforementioned spot lights institutionally such animals were still in uniform and in a position to murder this man on video in front of a crowd for no discernable reason other than they bloody well felt like it.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2020, 07:34:02 PM
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2020, 07:54:18 PM
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.
From what little I have seen, there have been plenty of people attacked by the rioters.  I don't think it would be difficult for them to make the case they were defending themselves or others.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.

Does that include during civil unrest / looting? Not calling you out, I simply don't know if there are "exception laws" or whatever for protecting property during riots.

I would argue that if someone breaks into my business while I'm in it during a riot (assuming the business is in the riot zone), I would be as much in fear of my life as  I would my property.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: grampster on May 28, 2020, 07:54:49 PM
"Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you."

Would you agree that if society is going to hold police to a higher standard, then higher standards might just be necessary in choosing who carries a badge and a gun for the purpose of keeping the best degree of peace between human beings in a civilized society?  

You seem to have completely missed the point of my comments.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2020, 08:14:05 PM
Does that include during civil unrest / looting? Not calling you out, I simply don't know if there are "exception laws" or whatever for protecting property during riots.

I would argue that if someone breaks into my business while I'm in it during a riot (assuming the business is in the riot zone), I would be as much in fear of my life as  I would my property.

I know that several states have specific laws calling for a different legal standard in cases of rioting, looting and natural disasters.  Washington is not one of them.

You could probably make a credible case of self-defense if someone is wielding a weapon in close proximity to you.  Shooting someone carrying off a TV from across the parking lot or from the rooftop will get you time in the slammer, at least in Washington.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2020, 08:37:47 PM
"Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you."

Would you agree that if society is going to hold police to a higher standard, then higher standards might just be necessary in choosing who carries a badge and a gun for the purpose of keeping the best degree of peace between human beings in a civilized society?  

You seem to have completely missed the point of my comments.

So are you saying that gay people cannot be cops?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on May 28, 2020, 09:36:31 PM
So are you saying that gay people cannot be cops?

The way I read it, that's not what he's saying.  At least not all gay people.  Just those who can't handle the "power", who are unfit to be trusted with that kind of authority.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 09:57:53 PM
I wonder what does typically happen to store owners and the like who shoot a looter.  Here in Washington, using deadly force to protect only property will generally get you at least a manslaughter conviction, and there have been many cases of such.

Reports of a looter shot dead

1 shot dead amid looting, riots on Lake Street in Minneapolis
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/1-shot-dead-amid-looting-riots-on-lake-street-in-minneapolis
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 28, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Wow. Even managed to work the gayz in there as part of societies woes. How comprehensive of you.

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...I re-read it three times. Where does he even mention "teh gayz"?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 10:11:41 PM
Great, thing may be getting ready to explode here over the Breonna Taylor case. Protesters gathering downtown Louisville
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2020, 10:27:57 PM
...I re-read it three times. Where does he even mention "teh gayz"?

I think that for him, transgender=gay. See his comments about a transgender officer.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 28, 2020, 10:29:50 PM
The way I read it, that's not what he's saying.  At least not all gay people.  Just those who can't handle the "power", who are unfit to be trusted with that kind of authority.

I would agree with that concept completely, regardless of the person's sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 28, 2020, 10:37:15 PM
I'm not sure how accurate that is.

There were 1,004 people killed by police in 2019, and 23% of them were black.  Not all of those made national news, and I'm sure some barely blipped the local news.
No, not all make national news, but as I said they receive heavy scrutiny and often national attention.  I watch cases on a local level and I've seen a number of clear-cut cases of completely justified police shootings (i.e., video of the deceased on the run saying they're not going back to jail and showing their gun, then firing it at police) that resulted in local protests.  It obviously didn't get national traction, but cases where a black person is killed by police in all but the most clear-cut cases are much more likely to garner media attention than that of other races.

Interestingly, using your source:
There were 9 unarmed black people killed in 2019 (3.8% of 235)
There were 19 unarmed white people killed in 2019 (5.1% of 370)
There were 6 unarmed hispanic people killed in 2019 (3.8% of 158)

FWIW, the 2010 Census has 12.6% of the US as black or African American, so they are pretty badly over-represented in being capped by the police.
Black people are also overrepresented when it comes to arrests, convictions, and prison population (and slightly overrepresented in police demographics, for that matter).

Because law enforcement agencies can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that heavy handed tactics are back firing, tolerance for thin blue line protection of bad apples is waiting, it's pushing things in certain communities to a breaking point, and despite aforementioned spot lights institutionally such animals were still in uniform and in a position to murder this man on video in front of a crowd for no discernable reason other than they bloody well felt like it.
Do you think that there is more or less of a tolerance for bad apples in US law enforcement now or twenty years ago?  Fifty years ago?  Seventy years ago?
Do you really think that the cop in this video intentionally killed his victim while being recorded by multiple witnesses?

Honestly, though, what gets me most is the whole "you can't blame black people for rioting, they're just angry and they can't figure out how to get results any way but rioting and looting!" routine.  That is about as patronizingly racist a thing as you can possibly say.  Black people have personal agency, are just as capable of living as responsible adults in a civilized society and participate as equals in the political process.  Treating them like children who cannot possibly be held responsible for their actions or come up with a solution more elegant or effective than burning down and looting nearby businesses is humiliating and demeaning.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Target says they're closing 24 stores in the area
National Guard called up

https://www.wlky.com/article/violence-again-rocks-minneapolis-after-mans-death-1-killed/32693507
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: grampster on May 28, 2020, 11:19:26 PM
My original comment had two points.  One was countering the comment that politics has nothing to do with the present situation by giving some historical commentary about how R and D and Right and Left politics created the problems confronted by black Americans and then those bad policies were exacerbated by continuing to fail to recognize the failure of their "programs" and then look to blame others.  Further, many Americans are shallow or oblivious enough to not care or ruthless enough to take advantage.

My second point was a good bit of sarcasm with respect to how the above politics has infected one area that is critical to a civil society; the hiring, training, supervision and weeding out of cops.  I continued with the sarcasm with respect to the libprog notion that people are entitled to be cops whether or not they are qualified for the responsibility and weight of that job.  The SJWs continue to deny that there are good and bad human beings and refuse to wake up to that.  When the results of their folly becomes evident we get what we have...and of course the media laps it up and spews it out...and then some folks pick and choose pieces of what they think other people say, not the entirety of the comments, according to their own biases.  Maybe that's one of the other problems with our deteriorating culture is that rather than comprehending the entirety of a thing, we sometimes choose the simplistic methodology of distortion.  Sort of reminds me of a meme of a reporter speaking to the PM of England where the PM says "I had bacon and eggs for breakfast" and the reporter says "So you're saying kill all the vegans."

As for Minneapolis, the D party has been running that city and that state for a long time.  Democrats are the defender of the underdog, right?  Then Ds assign us to a group to be promoted or maligned.  Democrats hire the bosses in the police department, yes?  Then why is a guy who had his knee on that fellows neck, (while others either participated or stood and watched) with the record which seems to be coming out that he is not a good police officer, with lots of bad marks, still around?  We can blame the cops, but wouldn't it make more sense to rather blame those who created the atmosphere in the cop shop, maintained it and did nothing about it?  Don't blame the union either, because unions are the step child of the Democrat Party.  Me, I don't give a rat's ass what anyone of any iteration of human critter would like to do or be...I'd just like to know that you are qualified to do it...not entitled to do it regardless of your capability.

Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 29, 2020, 02:34:36 AM
I think that for him, transgender=gay. See his comments about a transgender officer.

Which doesn't seem to really apply in this case specific or even to cops committing murder in general.

Derek looks very much the cisgendered white masculine male.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on May 29, 2020, 02:59:48 AM
So burn down a police station,

  I believe they just did that.
a friend speculates some businesses let themselves be looted because insurance will pay better than re-opening.
 Personally, an older protester said the city/cops created the tension- I agree ( for the most part)
The friggin mayor looks like he is 17.
 The ghetto denizens have never considered a militia, probably cannot spell it either.
the D's have convinced millions that guns are bad, that only the gov't needs guns.

 the killer in a cop uniform has obviously done this a bunch of times without repercussions - he didn't just pick up that technique last week.
its a messed up situation all around, I wouldn't loot , but i wouldn't live in a place like that either.

the police have convinced that town and themselves that they are at war.

if 4 black guys did that to a white cop, restrain and crush his windpipe, they would all be arrested 3 for felony murder  1 for murder.

all the politicking i have done at work has gone up in smoke, i had a lot of my minority co workers sort of viewing trump/conservatives as ok-ish.
the low info folks , and there are a lot, blame trump for this.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 29, 2020, 03:42:07 AM

all the politicking i have done at work has gone up in smoke, i had a lot of my minority co workers sort of viewing trump/conservatives as ok-ish.
the low info folks , and there are a lot, blame trump for this.

That cop's record of excessive force goes back to waaaaay before Trump.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on May 29, 2020, 04:10:11 AM
I suspect if he's found guilty, any jail sentence will be a short life sentence.

Let that fear freeze his heart.



Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 29, 2020, 07:51:44 AM
Third world problems.

We obviously need more diversity. Let's import more third worlders from places like Mogadishu, that will help.

Maybe the caliber of individuals who are willing to police our own third world *expletive deleted*it holes aren't all the cream of the crop.

It's almost like demographics is destiny ...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 08:17:42 AM
Apparently the state police, but this certainly won't help optics for Johnny Law.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/watch-cnns-oscar-jimenez-arrested-on-live-tv-while-covering-the-minneapolis-riots/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 29, 2020, 08:22:19 AM
Called it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/28/george-floyd-killing-officers-derek-chauvin-tou-thao-investigated

The murderer already had three "verbal reprimands" which is, in my estimation, police speak for "he screwed up really badly and we told him to stop getting caught, but since our code says the police protect each other, we'll pretend it wasn't that bad."

And, wild card I absolutely didn't expect- Vice Presidential possible pick (I read she was top of the list last week) Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute him.

Whether she made the right call or not in the specific case isn't going to matter. She's toast as VP material. Possibly even in her next senate race.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 29, 2020, 08:34:14 AM
The crooked cop and dead thug are both bad things. No good guys in this story.

They shouldn't be the focus.

The third world behavior, anarchy and major crimes taking place right now are of a magnitude worse.

Letting the third worlders and antifa thugs riot is setting every big city up for being extorted or else.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on May 29, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
The crooked cop and dead thug are both bad things. No good guys in this story.

They shouldn't be the focus.

The third world behavior, anarchy and major crimes taking place right now are of a magnitude worse.

Hold up there.

I have yet to see evidence the deceased was currently a "thug" of any kind. He had a previous record, but had been working legitimate jobs pre-the stupid shutdown. As far as I know he was only accused of passing a counterfeit bill. I have yet to see any evidence of him "resisting" either. I have seen video of him walking calmly with two officers and then video of him on the ground with a different officer with his knee on his neck. Have you seen anything to indicate he was a thug, currently?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 08:52:26 AM
And I can't believe I'm on CNN's side and have to defend them:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/top-notch-detective-work-minnesota-state-patrol-getting-dragged-over-its-explanation-of-cnn-crew-arrest/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on May 29, 2020, 08:57:27 AM
Great, thing may be getting ready to explode here over the Breonna Taylor case. Protesters gathering downtown Louisville

I wouldn't be surprised if this spreads to many cities in the near future.  There has been significant racial, cultural, and economic tension in the US.  The added viral tension, as it were, makes this country into a powder keg.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 29, 2020, 09:29:55 AM
This isn't the only bad shoot this month to fan the flames either. I saw a story this morning that Louisville is having problems over its bad shoot as well.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on May 29, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Hold up there.

I have yet to see evidence the deceased was currently a "thug" of any kind. He had a previous record, but had been working legitimate jobs pre-the stupid shutdown. As far as I know he was only accused of passing a counterfeit bill. I have yet to see any evidence of him "resisting" either. I have seen video of him walking calmly with two officers and then video of him on the ground with a different officer with his knee on his neck. Have you seen anything to indicate he was a thug, currently?


There is also some pretty good fakes out there right now. https://www.wlwt.com/article/counterfeit-bills-circulating-at-northern-kentucky-businesses/32676405# (https://www.wlwt.com/article/counterfeit-bills-circulating-at-northern-kentucky-businesses/32676405#)

(https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/dry-ridge-counterfeit-bills-1-1590525766.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.752xh;0,0.139xh&resize=900:*)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on May 29, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
And I can't believe I'm on CNN's side and have to defend them:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/top-notch-detective-work-minnesota-state-patrol-getting-dragged-over-its-explanation-of-cnn-crew-arrest/


I know I can't believe I'm on their side as well on this, but this cannot be allowed.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 09:36:16 AM
There is also some pretty good fakes out there right now. https://www.wlwt.com/article/counterfeit-bills-circulating-at-northern-kentucky-businesses/32676405# (https://www.wlwt.com/article/counterfeit-bills-circulating-at-northern-kentucky-businesses/32676405#)

(https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/dry-ridge-counterfeit-bills-1-1590525766.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.752xh;0,0.139xh&resize=900:*)
Am I seeing things or does that bill have Jackson smiling?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 09:39:00 AM
And I can't believe I'm on CNN's side and have to defend them:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/top-notch-detective-work-minnesota-state-patrol-getting-dragged-over-its-explanation-of-cnn-crew-arrest/
What were they thinking? 

Not to mention why they arrested the guy talking first?  At least be smart enough to arrest the camera man first.  Makes me wonder if someone was following orders and decided to follow them good and hard in the most visible way possible. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
  I believe they just did that.
a friend speculates some businesses let themselves be looted because insurance will pay better than re-opening.
 Personally, an older protester said the city/cops created the tension- I agree ( for the most part)
The friggin mayor looks like he is 17.
 The ghetto denizens have never considered a militia, probably cannot spell it either.
the D's have convinced millions that guns are bad, that only the gov't needs guns.

 the killer in a cop uniform has obviously done this a bunch of times without repercussions - he didn't just pick up that technique last week.
its a messed up situation all around, I wouldn't loot , but i wouldn't live in a place like that either.

the police have convinced that town and themselves that they are at war.

if 4 black guys did that to a white cop, restrain and crush his windpipe, they would all be arrested 3 for felony murder  1 for murder.

all the politicking i have done at work has gone up in smoke, i had a lot of my minority co workers sort of viewing trump/conservatives as ok-ish.
the low info folks , and there are a lot, blame trump for this.
Other than pointing out who is in charge in that city, I don't know what else you can say.  You can't really use logic to change someone's mind when they didn't use logic to get there in the first place.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on May 29, 2020, 10:05:28 AM
Denver had a few incidents around the Capitol last night... tear gas, flashbangs, vandalism, graffiti.  Need I provide details?  Not sure about opportunistic acquisition of retail merchandise --there aren't any big box stores in that immediate area.

Haven't turned on the news yet this AM.

Why bother.

Made sure I had some extra SKS food at hand rather than stored away.  Not paranoia.  Just common sense.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on May 29, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
Police need to be held personally accountable for what they do. "Good" police and supervisors that turn a blind eye or otherwise enable bad police to continue are not "good" even if they don't do bad things to people themselves. The idea of a few bad apples and good cops is nonsense. Why don't they uphold the law and arrest bad cops?

I would argue that the death penalty is necessary in this case because nothing will change until a very strong shocking and clear message is sent to police that the will pay personally for their misdeeds. Police impunity is the problem here. Not only does this impunity make individual justice unserved, but it erodes at the genuine authority and order in society. You protect a few criminal police and you deface all authority in the process. This policeman needs to be found guilty and put on death row, and the other three should get life. Supervisors should be charged with covering for them, prosecutors should be prosecuted for not prosecuting. It's the only way to save the system.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 10:23:27 AM
And I can't believe I'm on CNN's side and have to defend them:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/top-notch-detective-work-minnesota-state-patrol-getting-dragged-over-its-explanation-of-cnn-crew-arrest/

Don't forget we were on the Soviet Union's side for awhile.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 29, 2020, 10:23:47 AM
https://www.kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 10:30:31 AM
https://www.kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/
That is interesting.  So it is either a small world or maybe they knew each other.  Can't say it bears any influence on what happened without more information. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on May 29, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
There's video on twitter showing the Columbus, OH Statehouse being broken into by a mob of "protesters."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266214795335872512 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1266214795335872512)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Going to be long summer
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on May 29, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
Going to be long summer

Agreed...with all that is going on right now with Covid, this is the spark that lit the flame.  Not going to be pretty.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on May 29, 2020, 11:28:23 AM
Going to be long summer

I'll be following my usual strategy of letting the world go to hell, or wherever else it might want to go, while I enjoy a drink in my backyard . . . .
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
I'm investing in popcorn, marshmallows, rum, and 10mm
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 11:39:00 AM
Great, thing may be getting ready to explode here over the Breonna Taylor case. Protesters gathering downtown Louisville

Update on this

Tear gas fired, windows smashed, 7 shot.

https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/29/damage-left-downtown-louisville-lmpd-prepares-more-protests/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on May 29, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
Going to be long summer

Once sportsball is back on TeeVee things will settle down.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on May 29, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
Once sportsball is back on TeeVee things will settle down.

I'm sure you're right.  And it's one hell of a cultural/societal commentary . . .
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 29, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
Once sportsball is back on TeeVee things will settle down.

??? We had the regular sports seasons during the previous race riots.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 29, 2020, 12:59:26 PM
So, just for fun, and I apologize for the FB Links:

Dude is filmed calmly smashing windows and walking away, and is chased down by other protesters that aren't excited for vandalism.  https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/254536622291839/

After video goes viral, the folks that sell that mask recognize the vandal as a St Paul cop: https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100698518_3588834077798587_2788571447516200960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=E-Fjc3vnQdMAX8SD011&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=629c058b0202e0ff5b437a7873ed173e&oe=5EF85550


I would call this unconfirmed and unvetted intel, but it is interesting.  I'd be interested to see if anyone tracks down the person claiming to have sold the the mask and gloves for an on record chat.

Also: "Someone hold my blunt!" is my new favorite thing to hear before a fight.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 01:12:18 PM
What the hell is happening today? This is the second thing related to CNN that  I agree with today. Van Jones of all people, and he's spot on.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/29/weaponized-race-like-shed-been-trained-by-aryan-nation-van-jones-gets-way-too-honest-about-the-real-threat-to-black-americans-watch/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on May 29, 2020, 01:35:55 PM
I think I saw a comment on here recently, on one of the pandemic threads, along the lines of "I wonder what the next panic is going to be." 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
I think I saw a comment on here recently, on one of the pandemic threads, along the lines of "I wonder what the next panic is going to be." 

What ever the dems and the MSM think will open the doors of The White House for them
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 29, 2020, 01:37:50 PM
What the hell is happening today? This is the second thing related to CNN that  I agree with today. Van Jones of all people, and he's spot on.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/29/weaponized-race-like-shed-been-trained-by-aryan-nation-van-jones-gets-way-too-honest-about-the-real-threat-to-black-americans-watch/

??? He's talking about the dog walker?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 29, 2020, 01:40:30 PM
He is.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
Minneapolis officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck arrested
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/29/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 29, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
Minneapolis officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck arrested
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/29/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/

Oh good, the folks that arrested CNN Live on the air are in charge now.  I look forward to the renewed transparency.

Quote
“You will not see that tonight, there will be no lack of leadership,” [MN Gov. Tim] Walz said.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
Oh good, the folks that arrested CNN Live on the air are in charge now.  I look forward to the renewed transparency.

I want to see who ordered those CNN people to be arrested.  I just have a feeling the officer who did it arrested the guy on camera first for a reason.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 29, 2020, 02:19:58 PM
So, just for fun, and I apologize for the FB Links:

Dude is filmed calmly smashing windows and walking away, and is chased down by other protesters that aren't excited for vandalism.  https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/254536622291839/

After video goes viral, the folks that sell that mask recognize the vandal as a St Paul cop: https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100698518_3588834077798587_2788571447516200960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=E-Fjc3vnQdMAX8SD011&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=629c058b0202e0ff5b437a7873ed173e&oe=5EF85550


I would call this unconfirmed and unvetted intel, but it is interesting.  I'd be interested to see if anyone tracks down the person claiming to have sold the the mask and gloves for an on record chat.

Also: "Someone hold my blunt!" is my new favorite thing to hear before a fight.
Timcast mentioned that briefly.  His interpretation was that someone sent goons in to incite the rioting and looting. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 29, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
I've read antifa has been on the scene.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 29, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
So, just for fun, and I apologize for the FB Links:

Dude is filmed calmly smashing windows and walking away, and is chased down by other protesters that aren't excited for vandalism.  https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/254536622291839/

After video goes viral, the folks that sell that mask recognize the vandal as a St Paul cop: https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100698518_3588834077798587_2788571447516200960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=E-Fjc3vnQdMAX8SD011&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=629c058b0202e0ff5b437a7873ed173e&oe=5EF85550


I would call this unconfirmed and unvetted intel, but it is interesting.  I'd be interested to see if anyone tracks down the person claiming to have sold the the mask and gloves for an on record chat.

Also: "Someone hold my blunt!" is my new favorite thing to hear before a fight.

I have seen people speculate that undercover folks are fanning flames. I dunno how much I buy it, but it's been speculated.

Also, my remains a gentleman who removed his dentures and asked someone to hold his teeth before stepping into a brawl.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 29, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Here's something.

I've paid no attention to the racial/police brutality song and dance this time around (because I still have Ferguson fatigue), but during the Ferguson follies, the violence and arson and such would tend to happen after dark. Since we're apparently comfortable with governors and local officials ordering people to stay at home for months at a time, how about the mayors of the affected areas enforce a curfew?

Is it too much to ask for the malefactors in this ordeal to be executed by a knee to the neck?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 29, 2020, 03:48:21 PM
So, just for fun, and I apologize for the FB Links:

Dude is filmed calmly smashing windows and walking away, and is chased down by other protesters that aren't excited for vandalism.  https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/254536622291839/

After video goes viral, the folks that sell that mask recognize the vandal as a St Paul cop: https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100698518_3588834077798587_2788571447516200960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=E-Fjc3vnQdMAX8SD011&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=629c058b0202e0ff5b437a7873ed173e&oe=5EF85550


I would call this unconfirmed and unvetted intel, but it is interesting.  I'd be interested to see if anyone tracks down the person claiming to have sold the the mask and gloves for an on record chat.

Also: "Someone hold my blunt!" is my new favorite thing to hear before a fight.

Cops character assassinating a righteous protest via vandalism.  I am Jack's utter lack of surprise.


I'm curious what AutoZone's insurance company will make of that when they file their claim.  Big Insurance versus MPD.  Winner?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on May 29, 2020, 04:26:23 PM
So, just for fun, and I apologize for the FB Links:

Dude is filmed calmly smashing windows and walking away, and is chased down by other protesters that aren't excited for vandalism.  https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/254536622291839/

After video goes viral, the folks that sell that mask recognize the vandal as a St Paul cop: https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100698518_3588834077798587_2788571447516200960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=E-Fjc3vnQdMAX8SD011&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=629c058b0202e0ff5b437a7873ed173e&oe=5EF85550


I would call this unconfirmed and unvetted intel, but it is interesting.  I'd be interested to see if anyone tracks down the person claiming to have sold the the mask and gloves for an on record chat.


This man has the large majority of his face covered.  He can't be IDed based on this.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 29, 2020, 04:28:33 PM
What the hell is happening today? This is the second thing related to CNN that  I agree with today. Van Jones of all people, and he's spot on.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/05/29/weaponized-race-like-shed-been-trained-by-aryan-nation-van-jones-gets-way-too-honest-about-the-real-threat-to-black-americans-watch/

Once American blacks figure out they have a home in the Republican Party if they abandon shake downs and instead help with real solutions it's game over for the Dems.

Van Jones breaking bad is pretty big news.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
I've read antifa has been on the scene.

Good, glad someone is on the scene to stop the Trump supporters from rioting and looting.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 29, 2020, 05:06:57 PM
Another Democrat chimes in:

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100996638_1687876861379757_2238592492897304576_n.png?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=raQ-wKotRI0AX8O0_kA&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=21e5c4821673f592cdfc1cefd7f0dbc7&oe=5EF7B65C)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 29, 2020, 05:09:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1IG4NTMPio

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 29, 2020, 05:26:36 PM
Another Democrat chimes in:

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100996638_1687876861379757_2238592492897304576_n.png?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=raQ-wKotRI0AX8O0_kA&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=21e5c4821673f592cdfc1cefd7f0dbc7&oe=5EF7B65C)


Beautiful
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on May 29, 2020, 05:38:08 PM
Once American blacks figure out they have a home in the Republican Party if they abandon shake downs and instead help with real solutions it's game over for the Dems.

Van Jones breaking bad is pretty big news.

It would take the two fake preachers to agree with Van Jones before anyone would really start to listen.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 29, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Wow, I wonder if John Q. Public would get this level of service from the police:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367991/Lines-cops-riot-gear-defend-house-officer-accused-killing-George-Floyd.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 29, 2020, 06:55:01 PM
If I were a LEO, I think I might decline that duty.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on May 29, 2020, 08:44:31 PM
The cop is being charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter, according to the article.  https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-gov-tim-walz-on-george-floyd-violence

How does that work?  A murder and a manslaughter charge for one death?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 29, 2020, 08:53:15 PM
The cop is being charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter, according to the article.  https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-gov-tim-walz-on-george-floyd-violence

How does that work?  A murder and a manslaughter charge for one death?

I assume they don't stack, but I don't know.  3rd degree murder is the right charge, but it only has a maximum penalty of 25 years.  I've been looking to see if there are any enhancers in MN to add additional prison time but I haven't found any.

If they go for 1st degree murder like the family wants they won't be able to prove it and he'll walk.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 29, 2020, 09:05:53 PM
I assume they don't stack, but I don't know.  3rd degree murder is the right charge, but it only has a maximum penalty of 25 years.  I've been looking to see if there are any enhancers in MN to add additional prison time but I haven't found any.

If they go for 1st degree murder like the family wants they won't be able to prove it and he'll walk.
It is a federal thing, but what about 18 U.S. Code § 242?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 29, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
It is a federal thing, but what about 18 U.S. Code § 242?

That's what I'm hoping for.  There's no limits on that one. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 29, 2020, 09:31:36 PM
Wow, I wonder if John Q. Public would get this level of service from the police:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367991/Lines-cops-riot-gear-defend-house-officer-accused-killing-George-Floyd.html
From the article
Quote
Kjnaas exclusively told DailyMail.com, 'The cop hit me in the nuts. I was just stepping on the grass. I was 30 feet away from them.

'They shot me in the d**k. I didn't have anything in my hands. On a scale of one to 10 the pain is probably an 8. It was a good shot.'
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 10:41:12 PM
The current autopsy report might make manslaughter the more likely charge for a conviction. There is apparently a second autopsy happening though.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on May 29, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
The current autopsy report might make manslaughter the more likely charge for a conviction. There is apparently a second autopsy happening though.

Be interesting if they show that the cop was putting so little pressure on the guys neck that it didn't contribute to the death.  His life will still be effectively over even if that's the case.

As always, if just wait for a week or so, additional information comes out that all may not be as it appeared in the pictures/video.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
Be interesting if they show that the cop was putting so little pressure on the guys neck that it didn't contribute to the death.  His life will still be effectively over even if that's the case.

As always, if just wait for a week or so, additional information comes out that all may not be as it appeared in the pictures/video.

If it were to in fact show that Floyd's underlying conditions were the cause, I'm not sure there would be any way to convict for even manslaughter, and anything less than that (even, for sake of argument only, if the cop is innocent) will cause riots that will put the Rodney King riots to shame. I'll be very glad to not live in a big city if that happens.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 29, 2020, 11:14:39 PM
This has gotten bigger than MPLS.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/29/watch-cnn-building-in-atlanta-now-under-attack-from-rioters/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house-on-lockdown-as-hundreds-protest-george-floyd-death
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2020, 11:22:17 PM
Things have been blowing up here.
 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on May 29, 2020, 11:45:37 PM
Since we're apparently comfortable with governors and local officials ordering people to stay at home for months at a time, how about the mayors of the affected areas enforce a curfew?

News said that there was in a 8pm curfew tonight in the Twin Cities.

Pretty sure the protesters/rioters/etc far outnumber any cops, deputies, troopers and members of the MN NG.

Good luck enforcing that curfew, I'm just glad I live a bit over 2 hours away.


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 12:43:03 AM
Our finest  :facepalm:

Louisville cop takes aim and shoots reporter with pepper balls live on live TV
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/louisville-cop-takes-aim-and-shoots-reporter-with-pepper-balls-live-on-live-tv/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 12:53:49 AM
Downtown got trashed tonight.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on May 30, 2020, 12:55:14 AM
Holy fuckballs Minneapolis


https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/29/george-floyd-protesters-gather-at-minneapolis-police-5th-precinct-building/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 30, 2020, 02:00:00 AM
Democrats been importing Somalis into Minnesota by the thousands (why would they come here, don't they know it's cold?) and now seem surprised that they have Mogadishu.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
Mr Floyd, another gentle giant, stood at 6'6".

Despite his five stints in jail and his resisting arrest violently that day he was close to finally pulling his life together.

It appears he died of cardiac arrest, a broken heart brought on by the lack of equality and a lifetime of suffering micro aggression's.

Who knows? If it wasn't for white suppression he may have gone on to cure cancer.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2020, 07:34:46 AM
Nice attempt at deflecting.

No one here has claimed he was a saint. The most I recall in this thread is the statement that he may not be a "Thug" and a request for evidence.

His size, criminal record, and behavior earlier have zero bearing on whether it was OK to kneel on him until he expired.

I've mentioned this before as has Fitz when he was here, but a good rule of thumb is if it is something that US soldiers can't do in a war zone, cops should not be doing it in the US.

If you kneeled on a detainee in Afghanistan so long they died, you would be going down for murder, regardless of any pre-existing comorbidities they might have.  This is the appropriate response.

Murder 3 (depraved indifference)  is what is on that video.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 07:44:41 AM
Nice attempt at deflecting.

No one here has claimed he was a saint. The most I recall in this thread is the statement that he may not be a "Thug" and a request for evidence.

His size, criminal record, and behavior earlier have zero bearing on whether it was OK to kneel on him until he expired.

I've mentioned this before as has Fitz when he was here, but a good rule of thumb is if it is something that US soldiers can't do in a war zone, cops should not be doing it in the US.

If you kneeled on a detainee in Afghanistan so long they died, you would be going down for murder, regardless of any pre-existing comorbidities they might have.  This is the appropriate response.

Murder 3 (depraved indifference)  is what is on that video.

I'm happy to let the courts sort out whether the officer was operating outside his training or using excessive force.

As a side note, I've read also that what hasn't been seen is the four other officers that were needed to restrain his arms and legs. It very well may come out that this gentle giant was high and out of control during the arrest.

Everyone here is condemning the cop out of hand based on a short video of a much longer encounter.

Typical conservatives, bending over backwards to seem reasonable and allowing the left to frame the narrative.

I don't know what happened and neither do any of you guys.

But my gut is telling me something stinks, this is just too convenient of a deflection from the leftist tyranny taking place in big cities and being promoted by all the media. Right out of the gate the story is starting to fall apart, color me unconvinced.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 07:54:41 AM
Slight tangent, but a well-written article from Tucker Carlson:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-agents-of-chaos-crimes-mob

It certainly encapsulates my feelings on the rioters and looters, who, IMO, are at this point 90% made up of people basically out to have a good time, Third World style. There is still a segment that is actually protesting, and I have no problem with them.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Cops around the country are not helping themselves:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/nyc-council-speaker-calls-for-assault-charges-against-nypd-officer-seen-pushing-woman-to-the-ground/

Another tangent heard on the TV this morning: Regarding the question asked every time these things happen and the call for "more training", a former cop made the obvious, but not always thought about point: There are over 17,000 discrete police forces in the US. Good luck with standardized training and oversight.

Of course that person also made the case for a single, national police force, which I do not agree with.


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 08:07:01 AM
Cops do stupid sh t every single day. It's always been that way.

Why is it being amplified on national news all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 08:10:20 AM
Cops do stupid sh t every single day. It's always been that way.

Why is it being amplified on national news all of a sudden?

Because the cops are doing it on camera during riots and protests. This would have been the time for the cop to ignore the 90lb girl, not shove her like she was his opponent in an MMA match.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 08:13:19 AM
Because the cops are doing it on camera during riots and protests. This would have been the time for the cop to ignore the 90lb girl, not shove her like she was his opponent in an MMA match.

How do you know "she" identifies as a female?

Are you insinuating that "her" ability to riot, cause property damage and bodily harm is not equal to those who identify as male?

The use of the word protest is uncalled for at this point.

Stop using the leftist words and narratives to describe these events guys.

The rioters are the unreasonable ones who need to back down, not the folks who believe in actual law and order.

The rioters are more out of control than our police.

The police problem should be handled by putting new politicians in office, not burning cities.

There is no excuse for this, zero, zip nada. That is the starting point.

 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 08:23:54 AM
How do you know "she" identifies as a female?

Are you insinuating that "her" ability to riot, cause property damage and bodily harm is not equal to those who identify as male?

The use of the word protest is uncalled for at this point.

Stop using the leftist words and narratives to describe these events guys.

The rioters are the unreasonable ones who need to back down, not the folks who believe in actual law and order.

The rioters are more out of control than our police.

The police problem should be handled by putting new politicians in office, not burning cities.

 

Now you're just being silly with the "she" and "her". You're also making the same kind of arguments that progressives did regarding "the armed terrorists that raided the Michigan state house".

I've made it clear what I think should be done with rioters. Despite the MSM not covering them, there are still non-violent protests happening, and those people have every right do do that, regardless if you or I agree with them or not.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
Now you're just being silly

 ;) I'm not allowed to be silly?

The time may come for violence against the state. Hopefully not in our lifetimes.

This is not the time, the riots are manufactured, as usual, on lies with a "hero" who is anything but a hero.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on May 30, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
I wonder if we're gearing up for another Long, Hot Summer kind of scenario.

Milwaukee had a race riot that year. Probably some veterans of that riot around who can give some tips to these whippersnappers....
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: griz on May 30, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
In the complaint against the officer it said that he keep his knee on Floyd's neck for three minutes after Floyd stopped moving and another officer said he couldn't find a pulse.  I realize officer safety is a big deal, but to me that three minutes crossed the line from arrest to indifference about the life of a dying man.  Riots = Bad  also  Murder = Bad
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on May 30, 2020, 09:09:54 AM
I don't care about Floyd's priors or his health. Or even ten minutes before. In the video he was cuffed. Fight is over. I care about the attitude of the cops. That attitude is the same one that will come with a different badge and shoot your dog, illegally search your car, no knock you on a red flag law, etc. It is us vs. them and they made it that way. Also us vs. them with the looting arsonists.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 09:25:54 AM
I don't care about Floyd's priors or his health. Or even ten minutes before. In the video he was cuffed. Fight is over. I care about the attitude of the cops. That attitude is the same one that will come with a different badge and shoot your dog, illegally search your car, no knock you on a red flag law, etc. It is us vs. them and they made it that way. Also us vs. them with the looting arsonists.

Us vs them?

So you are with the looters?

The narrative wants to make it a binary choice.

I don't have to give the cops a pass just because I realize this is a media psy-op to alienate black voters.

Let the courts sort it out.

Big Floyd died of a heart attack not asphyxiation from preliminary reports.

Hopefully everyone was wearing body cams.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on May 30, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
I wonder if we're gearing up for another Long, Hot Summer kind of scenario.


do not even wonder.
no job/welfare/ebt/hot weather.
media only reporting stuff to make you angry, entertainment industry reinforcing it.
today's protesters cannot think clearly.
So glad I do not live in a big blue city.
Reno is a small blue city, bad enough but i doubt we will have riots here.
 
 I think they think this might prevent re-election of the bad orange man
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2020, 09:47:16 AM
The current autopsy report might make manslaughter the more likely charge for a conviction. There is apparently a second autopsy happening though.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/george-floyd-autopsy-no-physical-findings-that-support-a-diagnosis-of-traumatic-asphyxia-or-strangulation/

Of course, the looting class will claim that the autopsy was faked.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: castle key on May 30, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
I'm quite happy to be retired from policing..... especially since some "events" last night happened where I worked.

I'm really happy to now live in a really small sleepy town at the end of nowhere.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 09:59:01 AM
I have to laugh

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    A CNN anchor just said on live TV that the riots in MN were "entirely peaceful" and a "merry caravan" and then seconds later someone throws a bottle directly at him.

    You can't make this stuff up. pic.twitter.com/CtsYvBVzCH

    — Andrew Surabian (@Surabees) May 30, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/cnn-reporter-told-don-lemon-that-merry-caravan-of-minneapolis-protesters-were-entirely-peaceful-guess-what-happened-next/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
The rioters are the unreasonable ones who need to back down, not the folks who believe in actual law and order.

The rioters are more out of control than our police.

The police problem should be handled by putting new politicians in office, not burning cities.

There is no excuse for this, zero, zip nada. That is the starting point.


Disagree.

This is not a one off.  Cops have been trending more militarized for decades, and that trend is not reversing.  New mayors get elected, new police chiefs get appointed, and by and large the culture of law enforcement continues to default to militarized enforcement and escalation to physical force.  More automatic weapons, more MRAPS, more tac teams.  When police officers are dragged into court, unions cover their legal costs and more often then not they get away with no real punishment for their transgressions.  When they completely abdicate their responsibilities and people die, not only do they not stay fired, they get back pay and reinstatement.

There have been years of marches, sit ins, road blockings and other more peaceful protests. Those tactics don't seem to be working.

There is absolutely a place in American government for violent protest of the government.  It's literally in our founding document.  Why should the folks in Minneapolis put up with any more shitty government in the futile hope they can get it to change at the ballot box?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 30, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
Disagree.

This is not a one off.  Cops have been trending more militarized for decades, and that trend is not reversing.  New mayors get elected, new police chiefs get appointed, and by and large the culture of law enforcement continues to default to militarized enforcement and escalation to physical force.  More automatic weapons, more MRAPS, more tac teams.  When police officers are dragged into court, unions cover their legal costs and more often then not they get away with no real punishment for their transgressions.  When they completely abdicate their responsibilities and people die, not only do they not stay fired, they get back pay and reinstatement.

There have been years of marches, sit ins, road blockings and other more peaceful protests. Those tactics don't seem to be working.

There is absolutely a place in American government for violent protest of the government.  It's literally in our founding document.  Why should the folks in Minneapolis put up with any more shitty government in the futile hope they can get it to change at the ballot box?

It should be targeted violence.  (not Targetâ„¢)  When it come to that, extreme violence is fine; indescriminate is not.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 30, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
Maybe coming to a Minneapolis near you!  Active duty military police.  I had never heard of the Insurrection Act before, and how it apparently works in concert with the Posse Comitatus Act.

https://apnews.com/cf9947a3ca9f3225f9645fd330403eae
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 10:15:19 AM
I have to laugh
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/cnn-reporter-told-don-lemon-that-merry-caravan-of-minneapolis-protesters-were-entirely-peaceful-guess-what-happened-next/

"Yelling and throwing stuff at us, but not in a mean way."

Putz. CNN, who had an HQ attacked, pushes it as a big, friendly party.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 10:19:32 AM
And we're now under a dusk to dawn curfew
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2020, 10:21:34 AM
It should be targeted violence.  (not Targetâ„¢)  When it come to that, extreme violence is fine; indescriminate is not.

It should be targeted, yes.  But it's not.  Let's not pretend like burning down whole cities to get at a target or objective is a new thing.  They are working with what they have.

Let me also go on record here as saying I suspect that this won't actually work, I don't think they can burn enough of Minneapolis to force a change on the enlightened white liberals that built their cage, but it's as good a strategy as they have.

Would you be any more sympathetic if they were actively hunting and killing MPD officers?  That would be targeted?

I'm intrigued by how many 2A supporters have suddenly decided that political violence is beyond the pale.

To be clear: In my life, where I live, I am unhappy with the state of policing and government interference in my life, but not to the point I am willing to risk what I have, my freedom, and my life on violent response.  I can easily understand how someone with less to lose, or that has been subject to more oppression than I, would be on the other side of that calculus.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
"Yelling and throwing stuff at us, but not in a mean way."

Putz. CNN, who had an HQ attacked, pushes it as a big, friendly party.

Yeah, two hours after they started smashing stuff here one station was still using the the term peaceful protest to describe what was going on.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2020, 10:38:34 AM
Meanwhile in Denver:
https://gazette.com/police-deploy-tear-gas-as-protests-in-downtown-denver-continue-for-second-night-in-a/article_81f4c82f-aea8-5f83-8ef0-c475c1388585.html

At least one motorist has had enough:
https://gazette.com/ap/national/video-shows-protester-hit-by-vehicle-after-falling-from-hood-near-colorado-capitol/article_5aa50e0e-a1ba-11ea-b575-a3914c4c02b3.html

(the video appears to show the "protestor" (i.e., hooligan) jumping off the car, not falling off)

https://twitter.com/bellers03/status/1266174838374313992
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on May 30, 2020, 10:51:56 AM
https://summit.news/2020/05/29/rioter-were-gonna-start-coming-to-the-suburbs

That may not go as they think it will.  If they his the heavily Democrat voting areas they'll likely be able to do what they want.  More Republican voting?  Not sure they'll like the response.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
https://summit.news/2020/05/29/rioter-were-gonna-start-coming-to-the-suburbs

That may not go as they think it will.  If they his the heavily Democrat voting areas they'll likely be able to do what they want.  More Republican voting?  Not sure they'll like the response.

They're already getting more votes for Trump with their looting parties at innocent establishments in the urban centers. I almost urge them to "hit the suburbs."

"Come on out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on May 30, 2020, 11:10:29 AM
Cops around the country are not helping themselves:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/29/nyc-council-speaker-calls-for-assault-charges-against-nypd-officer-seen-pushing-woman-to-the-ground/

Another tangent heard on the TV this morning: Regarding the question asked every time these things happen and the call for "more training", a former cop made the obvious, but not always thought about point: There are over 17,000 discrete police forces in the US. Good luck with standardized training and oversight.

Of course that person also made the case for a single, national police force, which I do not agree with.




Shoving people in that manner is extremely dangerous. There was a case where a man (innocent bystander to a crime) ended up braindead because of a shove like that from a policeman. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10m-settlement-for-man-shoved-into-wall-by-king-co-deputy-jurors-react-to-video/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10m-settlement-for-man-shoved-into-wall-by-king-co-deputy-jurors-react-to-video/)

This woman blacked out and had a seizure which are clear signs that traumatic brain injury has occurred. Are these "law enforcement officers" or rabid badgers?  :lol:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
If you want a less militarized police with a softer more human approach I recommend not rioting.

Anarchy, rioting and destruction of property is guaranteed to provoke a militarized response.

There is no excuse.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
Well, the Minneapolis mayor and Minnesota governor are now saying white supremacists are organizing the riots.

Quote
Both leaders have implied that organized outsiders, including but not limited to anarchists, white supremacists and gangs from other states, were behind the destruction and chaos in Minneapolis.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-national-guard-full-mobilization-george-floyd
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 01:02:06 PM

Anarchy, rioting and destruction of property is guaranteed to provoke a militarized response.



And one of the problems is that they use riots like this as an excuse for needing MRAPs and stuff, but it's "hands off" during riots and looting, and the MRAPs roll in because some guys with guns on their hips are having a peaceful protest somewhere.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 30, 2020, 01:25:08 PM
Once American blacks figure out they have a home in the Republican Party if they abandon shake downs and instead help with real solutions it's game over for the Dems.

Van Jones breaking bad is pretty big news.



The republican party is on the same side as the democrat party: theirs, not yours.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 02:08:10 PM
Well, the Minneapolis mayor and Minnesota governor are now saying white supremacists are organizing the riots.


Do they really think there are people stupid enough to believe that? Sadly yes

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 30, 2020, 02:36:10 PM
If you want a less militarized police with a softer more human approach I recommend not rioting.



What approach do you recommend?  How has that approach been working?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 30, 2020, 02:37:12 PM
They are working with what they have.
You do realize that is raw paternalistic bigotry, right?

Would you be any more sympathetic if they were actively hunting and killing MPD officers?  That would be targeted?
Unless you allege that MPD is corrupt and abusive through and through, that would be killing people just because of the group they belong to.  That's a Bad Thing.  That is not okay when black people are being lynched because some black people did bad things, and that's not okay to lynch police officers because some police did bad things.  Is that the road we want to go down?

I'm intrigued by how many 2A supporters have suddenly decided that political violence is beyond the pale.
Interesting.  So now believing in the value of the Second Amendment means we should support political violence and terrorism in all cases?  Well then ...

Even if one believes violence has its place, going from zero to Ferguson before the system has even had a chance to do the wrong thing - and when things have been steadily improving for at least the past sixty years - is simply not justified.

Rioting began immediately the day after Floyd was killed.  Violence and arson against innocent people and businesses started the next day and have increased ever since.  The cops in question were fired and at least some charges have already been made.  The riots continue.

Believing that violent revolution has its place does not even remotely mean one must defend every riot, arson, looting spree, or political murder.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 30, 2020, 02:38:24 PM
Do they really think there are people stupid enough to believe that? Sadly yes



crap like this doesn't help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPibg61riRk
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 04:37:43 PM
Well, they're really running with the "white nationalist" thing. If I were on the fence about voting for Trump, this is the kinda thing that would make my mind up, just like in 2016 when they called me deplorable.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/this-bs-needs-a-warning-label-joy-reid-not-happy-who-bill-barr-blamed-for-riots-with-no-proof-when-its-already-documented-as-coming-from-white-nationalist-groups/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/twitter-fact-check-this-please-reza-aslan-claims-trump-supporters-are-doing-the-burning-and-looting-and-people-have-thoughts/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 30, 2020, 04:42:23 PM
Well, they're really running with the "white nationalist" thing. If I were on the fence about voting for Trump, this is the kinda thing that would make my mind up, just like in 2016 when they called me deplorable.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/this-bs-needs-a-warning-label-joy-reid-not-happy-who-bill-barr-blamed-for-riots-with-no-proof-when-its-already-documented-as-coming-from-white-nationalist-groups/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/05/30/twitter-fact-check-this-please-reza-aslan-claims-trump-supporters-are-doing-the-burning-and-looting-and-people-have-thoughts/

I'd bet there's 100 Antifa for every white nationalist
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
My head hurts
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
Shoving people in that manner is extremely dangerous. There was a case where a man (innocent bystander to a crime) ended up braindead because of a shove like that from a policeman. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10m-settlement-for-man-shoved-into-wall-by-king-co-deputy-jurors-react-to-video/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/10m-settlement-for-man-shoved-into-wall-by-king-co-deputy-jurors-react-to-video/)

This woman blacked out and had a seizure which are clear signs that traumatic brain injury has occurred. Are these "law enforcement officers" or rabid badgers?  :lol:
I am reminded of the parking space monitor in Florida who was shoved hard to the ground and shot the guy who did it.  I didn't hear too many talking about how dangerous it was to hit your head on the ground then.  The weight differential was likely similar.  

On that woman shoved, she didn't look like she blacked out and I would like to see her evidence of seizure.  That wasn't apparent in the video.  The officer may have shoved her too hard, but she shouldn't be getting in his face either.  Hard to see if she was physically attacking him or not.  Just because she was small doesn't mean she was no threat.  

Someone made a claim on the internet.  We will see. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 05:07:41 PM
I'd bet there's 100 Antifa for every white nationalist
Looking at the recent videos, I would say it was all Antifa people.  Looks like the same type of people we have seen the last few years. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 05:14:34 PM
So was there a link that said Floyd died of a heart attack?  I heard that mentioned previously, but may have missed the original mention.

If true, I guess that means when he was claiming he couldn't breath, he was having a heart attack? 

I don't know how much that helps the officer's case.  It still shows some major indifference to the man he has pinned down in custody that he never bothered to check on him.  The small bit of video I saw showing the two cops near Floyd's legs show he wasn't struggling at the time, but that may have been after he was unconscious. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on May 30, 2020, 06:26:57 PM
They are starting *expletive deleted*it in Columbia SC by vandalizing and burning police cars. Peaceful protests so far in Greenville (near me).


They can protest all they want but if they want to riot they are starting *expletive deleted*it in the wrong state.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 30, 2020, 06:30:11 PM

And one of the problems is that they use riots like this as an excuse for needing MRAPs and stuff, but it's "hands off" during riots and looting, and the MRAPs roll in because some guys with guns on their hips are having a peaceful protest somewhere.

QUIET!

You're not supposed to notice things like that, and you're certainly not supposed to say anything if you do notice it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 30, 2020, 06:30:39 PM
I certainly hope all these "protesters" are wearing masks and maintaining social distancing while they are "protesting"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-urges-protesters-to-wear-masks-and-practice-social-distancing
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 30, 2020, 06:32:53 PM
The local Target and Cub Foods stores have closed and barricaded the front doors and windows. (plywood and pallets of water softener salt)  We're 90 miles south of the Twin Cities and AFAIK there has only been minor peaceful protests here, but we have a pretty big Somali community and they account for a disproportionate amount of the crime.  It could be bad if they got riled up.  (I'm on the opposite end of town)
 
I have no idea why Target and Cub are being especially hit.  Cub has a liquor store, and a name thatkinda sounds like that of the store where Floyd allegedly passed a counterfeit $10 or $20 -- I've heard both denominations -- that got this whole thing started.

The Target on Lake Street in Mpls has vowed to reopen.  Why?  Seems like they should leave the damaged store abandoned there as a memorial to the "protesters'" stupidity.  Good luck finding someplace else to shop in that neighborhood now.  Target has enough political clout to do something like that.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 30, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ali/status/1266622746571800576
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 06:55:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ali/status/1266622746571800576
That is pretty transparent right there. 

Quote
BREAKING: tonight’s Dallas riot was pre-planned

Organizers were directing the crowd where to go

They had pallets of 100 bricks ready for rioters

They were yelling to the crowd “go left, there are 100 bricks on the corner over there”

This wasn’t random chaos
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 06:57:32 PM

 
I have no idea why Target and Cub are being especially hit.  Cub has a liquor store, and a name thatkinda sounds like that of the store where Floyd allegedly passed a counterfeit $10 or $20 -- I've heard both denominations -- that got this whole thing started.


Reading a list of destroyed businesses earlier today, I also notice a rather high percentage of auto parts stores. Don't know what's up with that.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 06:58:27 PM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1266827636719996929
 =D
Quote
Mayor Jacob Frey
@MayorFrey
We are now confronting white supremacists, members of organized crime, out of state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors to destroy and destabilize our city and our region.

Quote
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
That’s a terrible way to describe CNN.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2020, 06:59:57 PM
Reading a list of destroyed businesses earlier today, I also notice a rather high percentage of auto parts stores. Don't know what's up with that.
The only thing I can think of is they are somewhat common in lower middle class areas.  Big glass windows too maybe?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/n2IuefY.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 30, 2020, 07:07:36 PM
Reading a list of destroyed businesses earlier today, I also notice a rather high percentage of auto parts stores. Don't know what's up with that.

Duh, they needed fuzzy dice and chrome door locks for their donk.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2020, 07:48:01 PM
I guess the black protestors are wishing antifa would GTFO.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/30/you-look-stupid-black-george-floyd-protester-in-colorado-tells-off-pasty-white-clown-whos-vandalizing-the-state/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2020, 08:27:44 PM
The rioters are pawns of the agent provocateur US media.

Who tells the media what to push?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on May 30, 2020, 08:43:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZRkenZX0AIm5M8?format=jpg&name=medium)
From one of those twitter links. Allegedly some cop that got separated was protected by some of the protesters.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 30, 2020, 09:30:44 PM
That is pretty transparent right there. 


Well undercover police from neighboring departments smashing AutoZone windows just were not getting the public's attention shifted so they had to turn up the noise a bit.  Enter Antifa, a progressive sponsored domestic terror organization.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on May 30, 2020, 09:50:58 PM
Matt Bracken wrote a similar situation for the riot in the Domestic Enemies (2nd book in the series). Covert members of a paramilitary unit leading crowds and using dumped off loads of bricks and rebar as weapons for the “demonstrating workers”
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/black-small-business-owner-breaks-minneapolis-riots-consume-lifes-work/

Quote
A former firefighter according to a GoFundMe set up to support him, Balla had spent his entire life savings — decades of work — to launch his sports bar. After he had to deal with the crippling economic downturn, the riots were a gut punch for his business.

...

While the camera crew was still filming Balla’s ransacked bar, looters returned to try to haul his safe away. According to the GoFundMe, Balla’s business has now been completely burned down.

Bastards.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on May 30, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ali/status/1266622746571800576

Can't help but think that some metadata analysis would showcase the key individuals who could targeted (by law enforcement for arrest) to put a stop to this BS. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on May 30, 2020, 10:59:33 PM
"They"  have burned Uncle Hugo's.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/let-us-help-save-uncle-hugo039s?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=m_pd+share-sheet

I've officially reached kill them all and let god sort it out territory.  Sorry you're mad,  and it's definitely a legit beef,  but this is beyond the *expletive deleted*ing pale.

*expletive deleted*ing looters.  Most probably illiterate.  Assembling for redress of grievances doesn't cover burning down the entire town.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 31, 2020, 12:37:21 AM
Looks like things are getting sporty in OKC.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on May 31, 2020, 01:28:44 AM
And KC. Never was a fan of the plaza area when I lived there.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Viking on May 31, 2020, 01:33:36 AM
Some local yutes tried to rob a FedEx truck in St Louis. One of them got dragged to death in the wheel well when the driver wisely decided he did not wish to end up like Reginald Denny. Pretty gnarly video.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 31, 2020, 01:44:22 AM
Some local yutes tried to rob a FedEx truck in St Louis. One of them got dragged to death in the wheel well when the driver wisely decided he did not wish to end up like Reginald Denny. Pretty gnarly video.

Good!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
"Protestors" for hope and change:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266925493384736769
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 31, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
"Protestors" for hope and change:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266925493384736769


From one of the tweets:

Quote
Sean Davis
@seanmdav
·
10h
The same government officials who threw a woman in jail for opening a hair salon, arrested a pastor for leading worship, and accosted a mom pushing her kids on the swings are doing absolutely nothing to stop violent domestic terrorists from torching their cities to the ground.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
From one of the tweets:


Yeah, I mentioned in the COVID thread that I guess we're all virus free now. Otherwise, shouldn't all these looters be arrested for breaking the six foot rule? I mean, we got Capone on tax evasion.

Not that this is new, but it is always startling to me how quickly our media and gov officials can change focus and narratives. As you said, only a week ago people were being arrested for cutting hair, and now everyone who burns down a building or beats people half to death seems to have a get out of jail free card because "freedom to protest" or "people need to blow off steam".
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
"Protestors" for hope and change:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266925493384736769


Obviously more of those Trump supporting white supremacists at work
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on May 31, 2020, 10:17:39 AM
Security guard disarms protestor with AR  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCreqZ2-K6U

I wonder what a police officer would have done  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 31, 2020, 10:22:58 AM
Security guard disarms protestor with AR  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCreqZ2-K6U

I wonder what a police officer would have done  [popcorn]

And that's why you use a sling...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2020, 10:29:24 AM
Security guard disarms protestor with AR  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCreqZ2-K6U

I wonder what a police officer would have done  [popcorn]

Quote
A brave security officer that was working for Q13 Fox News protecting their crew during the Justice for George Floyd protest in Seattle was recorded expertly disarming a Antifa rioter who stole an AR-15 from a patrol car.

Bold part interesting on several fronts. From the comments, at least two ARs were acquired by antifa in this way.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 31, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Bold part interesting on several fronts. From the comments, at least two ARs were acquired by antifa in this way.

 :facepalm:

The ex-NCO in me is looking for 550 cord to dummy cord the officers to their weapons.....
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on May 31, 2020, 10:33:50 AM
Antifa had no idea what to do with them. I mean... at least dismount the Aimpoint while you are at it... put that tacticool QD hardware to good use and walk quietly away... just sayin'  ;/

 =D
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2020, 10:34:22 AM
Aimpoint Comp M4-S on that AR.
Sorry I notice that stuff.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on May 31, 2020, 10:53:16 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail-idUSKBN2360SZ
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on May 31, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/photos-protests-in-seattle-sparked-by-the-death-of-george-floyd-in-minneapolis/

Seattle yesterday.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2020, 11:55:27 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/photos-protests-in-seattle-sparked-by-the-death-of-george-floyd-in-minneapolis/

Seattle yesterday.

From the above link

Massive US protests raise fears of new virus outbreaks
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/massive-protests-raise-fears-of-new-waves-of-virus-outbreaks/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
Quote
WASHINGTON — Saturday night names like Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, HBO, Amazon, Twitter and on and on posted support to their social media accounts for the activist group Black Lives Matter, as protests continued across the U.S.
Quote
Amazon Prime Video posted a message to their Instagram account writing, "Together we stand with the black community - colleagues, artists, writers, storytellers, producers, our viewers - and all allies in the fight against racism and injustice. #BlackLivesMatter."
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/nation-world/media-brands-social-media-show-support-for-black-lives-matter/507-344a85d5-5806-48e0-8c73-dbdfcb06eff0
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on May 31, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
:facepalm:

The ex-NCO in me is looking for 550 cord to dummy cord the officers to their weapons.....

The rifles are stored/locked in the cruiser, not carried around by the officer.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 31, 2020, 01:35:26 PM
https://commonwealthtimes.org/2020/05/31/second-night-of-richmond-protest-over-killing-of-george-floyd-reaches-confederate-monuments/

https://www.richmond.com/news/local/updated-daughters-of-confederacy-headquarters-on-fire-2-capitol-police-offers-injured-as-violence-erupts/article_a2299cb2-367a-5f13-a107-97a4ca8a1f68.html#55

 :'(

I hope this doesn't continue. I don't have much hope that the VMFA will survive another night.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 31, 2020, 03:18:09 PM
News said that there was in a 8pm curfew tonight in the Twin Cities.

Pretty sure the protesters/rioters/etc far outnumber any cops, deputies, troopers and members of the MN NG.

Good luck enforcing that curfew, I'm just glad I live a bit over 2 hours away.

I think the point is that it draws a line between lawful protest and illegal assembly.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 31, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
The rifles are stored/locked in the cruiser, not carried around by the officer.

Right. Under normal circumstances.  Got it.

Evidence would indicate that isn't secure enough if you are going to get out of the car and go engage rioters.  Either A. take it with you; B. Park the cars together and detail someone to guard them; or C. find a way to secure them that precludes them being pried out in a usable condition.

If more than one carbine was indeed stolen from police in the same riot I think it's fair to ask them to relook at their weapons retention procedures.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on May 31, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
fed security officer shot/oakland fed building.... domestic terrorism? blm terrorism? antifa?
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Federal-security-guard-killed-in-Oakland-15306674.php
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 31, 2020, 04:20:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23393829432888855961.ampproject.net%2F2005151844001%2Fframe.html

It would seem they have decided that the curfew doesn't include standing on your own porch.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23393829432888855961.ampproject.net%2F2005151844001%2Fframe.html

It would seem they have decided that the curfew doesn't include standing on your own porch.

Comments at that link directed at people standing on their own damn property and telling them they got what they deserved make me weep a little bit for America.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on May 31, 2020, 06:01:21 PM
 [popcorn] This just keeps getting moar entertaining
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on May 31, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
[popcorn] This just keeps getting moar entertaining


Substitute "educational"   =(
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on May 31, 2020, 07:36:53 PM
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23393829432888855961.ampproject.net%2F2005151844001%2Fframe.html

It would seem they have decided that the curfew doesn't include standing on your own porch.
Let's see - ignore thugs and arsonists setting fires . . . but it's "light 'em up" when people are standing on their own porch.

Their actions make it abundantly clear exactly whose side they're on.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 31, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Play stupid games ... win stupid prizes.

https://www.kmov.com/news/george-floyd-protests-st-louis-man-killed-fedex-truck/article_f8a89482-a259-11ea-84b8-a374c58a7d47.html

FedEx truck gets forced off highway by "peaceful protesters." On city street, more "peaceful protesters" point guns at driver. Driver sensibly fears for his life and unasses the area of operation. "Peaceful protester" who was probably trying to loot the forward trailer in a tandem rig falls under the tires and is killed.

Moral: Stay at home and don't try to rob trucks, and you might not get run over. I've looked all over the house for some sympathy, but I can't seem to find any.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 31, 2020, 08:12:41 PM
About 17:45  I turned the TV on to the local CBS affiliate. They were showing a peaceful protest; probably 3 to 4 thousand people on the I-35W bridge at Washington Ave, maybe more; both sides of the freeway. Everyone (protesters and cops) were behaving themselves and the cops were staying way back (they were off camera.) Then a tanker truck (gasoline or milk, most likely) drove thru the crowd; drove kinda fast. Don't think he ran over anybody but pretty sure he ran over a bicycle and maybe hit a few people. Could have been *really* bad. The protesters mobbed the truck and it stopped. I think they pulled the driver out. Couldn't see what if anything happened to the driver. Cops were there in seconds and dispersed the crowd with pepper spray or something. Still no sign of the driver, looking at it from a helicopter camera. Seemed appropriate level of response. SWAT showed up with an armored vehicle but didn't do anything; show of force I guess. The news crew just broadcast it live from the helicopter and the live crew on the ground, without a whole lot of commentary and apologized for some of the language from the crowd (I didn't hear anything bad)

That's all I got.  No commentary in this post, I consider it news.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on May 31, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
About 17:45  I turned the TV on to the local CBS affiliate. They were showing a peaceful protest; probably 3 to 4 thousand people on the I-35W bridge at Washington Ave, maybe more; both sides of the freeway. Everyone (protesters and cops) were behaving themselves and the cops were staying way back (they were off camera.)
Blocking an interstate freeway IS NOT "behaving themselves."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on May 31, 2020, 08:18:17 PM


That's all I got.  No commentary in this post, I consider it news.

I'll comment.

Protestors shouldn't block roads.  It's dangerous for everyone.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on May 31, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
There is that.   ;/  The news people were talking like this was planned, and the highway dept closed the freeway before it started.  But they didn't quite say it was the highway dept that closed it, just implied it.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on May 31, 2020, 08:40:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23393829432888855961.ampproject.net%2F2005151844001%2Fframe.html

It would seem they have decided that the curfew doesn't include standing on your own porch.
And people wonder why the gulf continues to widen

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Phantom Warrior on May 31, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
Last I checked the curfew the state closed down highways in that area (35W/35E/94/394/55) at 5 PM.  More because of the protestors than to enable the protestors, I think.

EDIT TO ADD:
MNDOT Tweet (https://twitter.com/MnDOT/status/1267208871069790208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267208871069790208&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mprnews.org%2Fstory%2F2020%2F05%2F31%2Ffloyd-protests-more-than-55-arrested-in-protest-walz-extends-curfew)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on May 31, 2020, 08:45:18 PM
Last I checked the curfew the state closed down highways in that area (35W/35E/94/394/55) at 5 PM.  More because of the protestors than to enable the protestors, I think.

2000 tonight to 0600 tomorrow.  They (theoretically) have another 15 min to finish protesting before the curfew kicks in.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 31, 2020, 09:53:49 PM
Recycled from 1992:
(https://i.imgflip.com/43g4eb.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 31, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f55ab3edb5242cc3fb20cddc52e40fa2/dd698bb4463a9290-36/s1280x1920/6b96f76ba71dc5559addb674ce5ff6ecb5fc0218.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2020, 10:29:25 PM
Little bit different here tonight, police backed up by Nat Guard. Every time a group of protesters bumps into them they scatter like cockroaches. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HeroHog on June 01, 2020, 01:56:28 AM
Yup...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 01, 2020, 06:51:12 AM
Protestors got owned. They were literally herded like cattle. I think there might have been a border collie or two masterminding this :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6wzFo59jg
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 01, 2020, 07:54:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZW9djGWsAABUvi?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZW9dl0XsAE2sHU?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 08:55:07 AM
So they have vandalized the Lincoln Memorial now?

Also apparently several churches. Which, I saw yesterday that the Supreme Court denied churches the ability to hold services because social distancing and killing grandpa. I'm sure churches will be blamed for any new virus outbreaks after the riots and looting are over.

Looters getting free rein (or in current circumstances the often incorrectly used "free reign"), while innocent people are shot by soldiers with less than lethal weapons while standing on their own property minding their own business. These "protestors" are angry? I'm getting angry myself.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 01, 2020, 09:05:15 AM

Looters getting free rein (or in current circumstances the often incorrectly used "free reign"), while innocent people are shot by soldiers with less than lethal weapons while standing on their own property minding their own business. These "protestors" are angry? I'm getting angry myself.

Maybe that's the point.  They (the police? or their bosses?) are trying to provoke a civil war.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 09:09:49 AM
Maybe that's the point.  They (the police? or their bosses?) are trying to provoke a civil war.

They're doing a good job. Elderly white people seem to be popular targets.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267212624703479809
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
Quote
Barr: It is Antifa.
Cops: It is Antifa.
Protestors: It is Antifa.
Antifa: It is us.
Blue checks: It is something else.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
Quote
Barr: It is Antifa.
Cops: It is Antifa.
Protestors: It is Antifa.
Antifa: It is us.
Blue checks: It is something else. Trump
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 01, 2020, 09:32:58 AM
Which, I saw yesterday that the Supreme Court denied churches the ability to hold services because social distancing and killing grandpa.

Nitpick:  SCOTUS upheld the law/order that limits the number of people who may attend a church service, or any other public gathering.  Church services are not banned.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
InRangeTV just posted this. Said he actually made it 4 years ago but was waiting for a time to publish it where it wouldn't be seen as a response to current events but he's now given up on that.

NOPD vs Unarmed Civilians - Danziger Bridge, Sept. 4, 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FKkEF7F3M
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 01, 2020, 09:42:10 AM
So they have vandalized the Lincoln Memorial now?

Also apparently several churches. Which, I saw yesterday that the Supreme Court denied churches the ability to hold services because social distancing and killing grandpa. I'm sure churches will be blamed for any new virus outbreaks after the riots and looting are over.

Looters getting free rein (or in current circumstances the often incorrectly used "free reign"), while innocent people are shot by soldiers with less than lethal weapons while standing on their own property minding their own business. These "protestors" are angry? I'm getting angry myself.

They are tugging hard on a pin they think is attached to a grenade but it’s really a nuke that’s gonna cook them.

Hundreds of millions of guns, billions or trillions of rounds of ammunition...and all the owners are getting pissed as hell
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 01, 2020, 09:48:41 AM
Protestors got owned. They were literally herded like cattle. I think there might have been a border collie or two masterminding this :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6wzFo59jg

Give the protesters 30 minutes to disperse, don't allow them to disperse, then arrest them.  I guess it's a lot easier than stopping the looters and arsons.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
Nitpick:  SCOTUS upheld the law/order that limits the number of people who may attend a church service, or any other public gathering.  Church services are not banned.

Yeah sorry, I should have said "normal services". Still, I'm aggravated about law-abiding citizens getting fined and jailed for not observing "six feet" (or paddle boarding with no one withing 1/4 mile) while the virus doesn't exist to the MSM and various local governments while this crap is going on.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 01, 2020, 10:06:12 AM
Give the protesters 30 minutes to disperse, don't allow them to disperse, then arrest them.  I guess it's a lot easier than stopping the looters and arsons.

If you stop the "protestors" that are already breaking the law, you stop the looters and the arsons, as well.

If the authorities have done this earlier in the week, most of the business owners who just saw their lives and dreams literally go up in smoke may have been saved.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Got sporty in Tulsa over the weekend. More fun expected.
Since I now work downtown Tulsa only a few blocks from where the party started my level of concern has ratcheted up a couple.of notches.  Time to reevaluate my SHTF contingency carry in the Jeep.
At least I'm working day shift now.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 01, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
The NC National Guard has been activated for "protests" in Charlotte and Raleigh.  A state of emergency was declared for Charlotte and Mecklenburg County.  Fayetteville and Greensboro had some sporty "protests" as well.
So far there has not been any activity in this area, but it's likely to happen at some point.  We do have rather lefty college university in the city, so it would not surprise me to see something catalyze from there.
I'm armed pretty much all the time now, even in the house.

edited:  It's a university, not a college.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on June 01, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
It's stuff like this that gives me hope for our country:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565 (https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565)

"Antifa dude gets grabbed by peaceful protesters and delivered to the police line"

ETA:

I'm seeing more video evidence of peaceful protesters confronting black-clad antifa supporters engaging in violence and/or graffiti.  As usual, it's the fringes of society that cause issues for the majority.  I won't post links to all of them here, it's easy to find.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 12:03:13 PM
It's stuff like this that gives me hope for our country:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565 (https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565)

"Antifa dude gets grabbed by peaceful protesters and delivered to the police line"

ETA:

I'm seeing more video evidence of peaceful protesters confronting black-clad antifa supporters engaging in violence and/or graffiti.  As usual, it's the fringes of society that cause issues for the majority.  I won't post links to all of them here, it's easy to find.

What's with the Mandalorian dude at the end?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
Great, now they're flipping out over someone shot and killed last night by a Nat Guardsman reportedly returning fire. Don't know at this point if the guy shot had anything to do with shooting at the police/NG but I don't think that matters to many anyway if it means they can use him as a martyr

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
More on the AR incident in Seattle:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/01/total-badas-thread-makes-hero-who-disarmed-soy-boy-of-ar-15-at-seattle-riot-saving-countless-lives-look-even-more-amazing/

People were calling the security guard "Special Forces" but he was a former Marine. He actually recovered both the stolen ARs, and video down the link shows that the looters were firing one of them before he took it from them.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 01, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
They're doing a good job. Elderly white people seem to be popular targets.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267212624703479809

Old white guys with canes can't fight back. safe target.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 01, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
https://concealednation.org/2020/05/interactive-us-map-of-active-protests-and-riots/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
https://concealednation.org/2020/05/interactive-us-map-of-active-protests-and-riots/

And what do all, or at least nearly all, of those locations have in common?

Been 100% run by democrats for decades
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
A reminder of what the MSM thought of protests just a week ago:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/01/maddening-matt-walsh-drags-media-in-thread-about-how-protesting-during-covid-was-described-when-conservatives-were-doing-it/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on June 01, 2020, 12:50:50 PM
More on the AR incident in Seattle:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/01/total-badas-thread-makes-hero-who-disarmed-soy-boy-of-ar-15-at-seattle-riot-saving-countless-lives-look-even-more-amazing/

People were calling the security guard "Special Forces" but he was a former Marine. He actually recovered both the stolen ARs, and video down the link shows that the looters were firing one of them before he took it from them.

His DI would be proud.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 12:59:33 PM
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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 01:15:40 PM
Seeing tweets/FB/forum posts where people are saying it must be Trump's fault because none of this stuff ever occurred under Obama
The level of willful ignorance required to say that boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2020, 02:06:34 PM
It's stuff like this that gives me hope for our country:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565 (https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1267269659524546565)

"Antifa dude gets grabbed by peaceful protesters and delivered to the police line"

ETA:

I'm seeing more video evidence of peaceful protesters confronting black-clad antifa supporters engaging in violence and/or graffiti.  As usual, it's the fringes of society that cause issues for the majority.  I won't post links to all of them here, it's easy to find.
Was that grey hair on that guy?  Looked like it might actually be an older guy.  He was making some effort to keep his mask/glasses on.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
White yuppies in a Mercedes handing bricks to black men so the black men can do the dirty work.

The lady in this video was spot on. The MSM should play this video as a warning, but they won't, since they're rooting for the instigators in the fancy car.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/01/white-liberals-are-not-your-friends-rob-smith-shares-footage-of-black-woman-ripping-car-full-of-white-people-handing-out-bricks-watch/

I would really like to see an investigation into this whole brick phenomenon going on across cities to see exactly who is behind it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on June 01, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
White yuppies in a Mercedes handing bricks to black men so the black men can do the dirty work.

The lady in this video was spot on. The MSM should play this video as a warning, but they won't, since they're rooting for the instigators in the fancy car.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/01/white-liberals-are-not-your-friends-rob-smith-shares-footage-of-black-woman-ripping-car-full-of-white-people-handing-out-bricks-watch/

I would really like to see an investigation into this whole brick phenomenon going on across cities to see exactly who is behind it.

Another one of those examples I mentioned.  The bricks thing is bizarre and indicates organized insurrection, or perhaps false flag efforts.  I don't know which.  It seems like it should be easy to figure out how the pallets got there.  It might be perfectly legit and coincidental, although I doubt it.  Andy Ngo, who has been documenting antifa for many years now, is reporting on-the-ground organization by antifa of protests in Portland.  Directing crowds, choosing routes, etc. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 04:48:11 PM
Good Sheriff. :)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267539936401592320
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 05:00:52 PM
A tale of two autopsies

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An independent autopsy into the death of George Floyd found that the unarmed black man died from "asphyxiation from sustained pressure," according to attorney Ben Crump.
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The independent autopsy's findings come after the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found "no physical findings" to "support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," according to the criminal complaint released by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office in the arrest of former Officer Derek Chauvin.

Independent autopsy shows George Floyd died from 'asphyxiation from sustained pressure'
https://www.wlky.com/article/independent-autopsy-shows-george-floyd-died-from-asphyxiation-from-sustained-pressure/32733518
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 01, 2020, 06:32:01 PM
Moar online education 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/louisville-man-david-mcatee-killed-when-police-soldiers-fired-at-group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLtlLfyP9E

Looking forward to that bodycam footage release
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 01, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
https://www.omaha.com/news/crime/no-charges-will-be-filed-against-omaha-bar-owner-who-fatally-shot-protester-don-kleine/article_8e71702d-d5bf-544e-9fac-26108ac81a24.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
More on the bricks:

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/06/01/the-proof-of-how-orchestrated-these-riots-are-is-seen-in-the-regular-appearance-of-pallets-filled-with-bricks/

One thing I hadn't been thinking about that was mentioned in the link is the cost of all these bricks. While the price mentioned at the URL looks to be way overblown, even at like $500/pallet, once you add up all the pallets, plus figure delivery logistics, it's someone(s) with money, not some cheetos eating basement dwellers.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2020, 06:46:48 PM
not some cheetos eating basement dwellers.

Hacked credit cards
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 01, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
Moar online education 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/louisville-man-david-mcatee-killed-when-police-soldiers-fired-at-group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLtlLfyP9E

Looking forward to that bodycam footage release

That's a bunch of return fire.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 01, 2020, 07:08:27 PM

I would really like to see an investigation into this whole brick phenomenon going on across cities to see exactly who is behind it.

George Soros.

No, I can't prove it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 01, 2020, 08:15:49 PM
Looking forward to that bodycam footage release

An attempt at humor, I presume.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on June 01, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Hacked credit cards

Probably where Ben's hacked money went.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: grampster on June 01, 2020, 10:02:37 PM
I've read a lot of stuff about Soros and what he does. Who knows what the truth is?   If he finances groups who promote violence or organize violence, why isn't he arrested for some sort of conspiracy charge?  Is he another example of how rich, powerful people are not constrained like the rest of civilized people are?  Aren't there several Federal groups who are supposed to be aware and on top of people like him?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 10:18:24 PM
Probably where Ben's hacked money went.

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg

Wouldn't doubt it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 01, 2020, 10:22:48 PM
I'm betting she's not talking about antifa. Of course Soros IS a white man, so...

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/01/seattles-mayor-wants-everyone-to-acknowledge-that-most-of-the-violence-and-destruction-was-perpetuated-by-white-men/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 01, 2020, 10:25:15 PM
The ACLU says the charge of 3rd degree murder won't stick (and the prosecutor probably knows that)  It needs to be upgraded to I suppose 2nd degree murder or it'll be thrown out.  I wonder if they mischarged him on purpose?  On the face of it, "depraved indifference" seems to fit...

Quote from: https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/legal-rights-center-and-aclu-minnesota-demand-immediate-amendment-charges-derek
The complaint filed by the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office charging former officer Chauvin with Third Degree Murder is potentially deficient on its face and therefore incurably defective because, under Minnesota law, Third Degree Murder applies only when the acts of the defendant were committed without regard to their effect on any particular person, and not when the actions were directed to a specific person. Minnesota courts have repeatedly ruled that to support a charge of Third Degree Murder, the offender’s actions need to be “eminently dangerous to more than one person.”[1]  This has been the law in Minnesota since 1896 and includes numerous state Supreme Court decisions stretching all the way to the present saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on June 01, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
The ACLU says the charge of 3rd degree murder won't stick (and the prosecutor probably knows that)  It needs to be upgraded to I suppose 2nd degree murder or it'll be thrown out.  I wonder if they mischarged him on purpose?  On the face of it, "depraved indifference" seems to fit...


Something came out today, wasn't sure if was Hennepin county coroner report or the private medical examiner the family hired, or both. In a nutshell it says that Floyd's death was due to asphyxia from sustained forceful pressure

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2020, 10:52:58 PM
Getting sporty in Tulsa again this evening, this time in the big mall/shopping areas in South Tulsa. Tear gas and pepper balls have been deployed. Several businesses have been vandalized, windows smashed and things have been getting thrown at the police.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 01, 2020, 10:54:41 PM
Something came out today, wasn't sure if was Hennepin county coroner report or the private medical examiner the family hired, or both. In a nutshell it says that Floyd's death was due to asphyxia from sustained forceful pressure


That was the family's ME report.  It is totally different from the county's.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 01, 2020, 10:57:30 PM
OK governor has activated the National Guard.
https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/oklahoma-national-guard-activated-in-okc-and-tulsa?fbclid=IwAR0xaBr_2azsIyWEcEgAl6Q7pUvsCGhvBL2y8mZJIZ-FbFpXoKI_Ti6Jba4 (https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/oklahoma-national-guard-activated-in-okc-and-tulsa?fbclid=IwAR0xaBr_2azsIyWEcEgAl6Q7pUvsCGhvBL2y8mZJIZ-FbFpXoKI_Ti6Jba4)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 01, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
https://www.thebarbedwiresatire.com/joe-biden-tells-looter-if-you-dont-vote-for-me-you-aint-a-looter/?fbclid=IwAR00rk3L1VFx6nk5FY8DahPhVYtlfi70K6Nx_SSmEuujYuPu0-Ai6lE0GgY

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on June 01, 2020, 11:20:17 PM
That was the family's ME report.  It is totally different from the county's.

It was both, thought I heard it on the TV when I was in and out grilling supper.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-homicide-by-asphyxia
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 01, 2020, 11:46:31 PM
Both said homicide. 

Family's expert:   "asphyxiation from sustained pressure", the pressure cut off blood flow to his brain.

Medical examiner:  "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", Floyd's heart failed.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 01, 2020, 11:48:23 PM
(maybe this belongs in the Antifa thread)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/pure-evil-police-chief-breaks-describing-richmond-leftist-rioters-torched-home-children-inside-blocked-fire-department-video/

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The chief of the Richmond, Virginia, police department told reporters Sunday that Black Lives Matter and antifa rioters set fire to a multi-family home with children inside and then blocking access for firefighters to get through to save the children.

Hanging is too good for some folks.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 01, 2020, 11:58:20 PM
I've read a lot of stuff about Soros and what he does. Who knows what the truth is?   If he finances groups who promote violence or organize violence, why isn't he arrested for some sort of conspiracy charge?  Is he another example of how rich, powerful people are not constrained like the rest of civilized people are?  Aren't there several Federal groups who are supposed to be aware and on top of people like him?

I suspect that Soros is wily enough to cover his tracks by laundering his contributions through several layers of minions and non-profits and NGOs (non-government organizations). The government probably knows, but can't prove.

And, of course, there's also the possibility that the deep state doesn't want to prosecute him because he's doing what they want.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 02, 2020, 04:09:06 AM
Both said homicide. 

Family's expert:   "asphyxiation from sustained pressure", the pressure cut off blood flow to his brain.

Medical examiner:  "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", Floyd's heart failed.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html

Surprised no one postulated vagus nerve reflex.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2020, 07:23:45 AM
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fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use as well as existing heart disease
while violently resisting arrest.

They need to find better heroes.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 02, 2020, 08:03:22 AM
while violently resisting arrest.

They need to find better heroes.

When the police commit crimes, they will generally be against unsavory characters.

And, even with the drugs in his system, if the police "restraining" him in such a clearly egregious way killed him, the rest doesn't matter.

As I recall from the (small amount of) legal classes I've taken: you are faced with what your actions did to THIS victim, not what they would have done to some random victim. If your illegal punch kills a man because he has a paper thin skull, it doesn't matter that it wouldn't have killed the average man. It DID kill this man and you are guilty of murder.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 02, 2020, 08:13:46 AM
while violently resisting arrest.

They need to find better heroes.

Disagree.  Like Mak said cops tend to deal with criminals.  That's their job. If they can't manage to deal with criminals without murdering them, the problem is with the cops, and the culture of the agencies.

Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 02, 2020, 08:54:11 AM
while violently resisting arrest.

They need to find better heroes.
Was he alive and well before the police kneeled on his neck for no good reason till he was well and dead? Yes? The rest doesn't matter. Even if he was at some point in the encounter "violently resisting" when the suspect is no longer resisting you stop applying force. Period. End. Full stop.

Last I checked summary execution wasn't supposed to be within the scope of law enforcement.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 02, 2020, 09:22:18 AM
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4573842-police-arrest-minneapolis-community-watch-members-after-curfew/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: DittoHead on June 02, 2020, 09:30:21 AM
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4573842-police-arrest-minneapolis-community-watch-members-after-curfew/

 :mad: At this point they just want a monopoly on power? It's like a protection racket.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on June 02, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
More on the bricks:

I saw an article yesterday that I haven't tried to find today that explained one of the pallets.  Something about construction in the area.  So at least one was legit.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 02, 2020, 02:59:34 PM
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4573842-police-arrest-minneapolis-community-watch-members-after-curfew/

Along those lines:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/02/lapd-arrests-armed-business-owners-trying-to-prevent-looting-live-on-fox-11/

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2020, 04:12:51 PM
Along those lines:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/02/lapd-arrests-armed-business-owners-trying-to-prevent-looting-live-on-fox-11/



They must have broken their stay at home quarantine. Bad business owners, bad business owners. Sit your ass down at home.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 05:02:47 PM
Anyways, run on guns again. This is going to be a banner year for firearms sales.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/02/judging-from-the-line-outside-this-long-island-gun-store-the-you-dont-need-a-firearm-to-protect-yourself-just-call-the-police-narrative-is-in-trouble/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
 :laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267916244516171781
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
:laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267916244516171781

In the comments
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In case anyone was wondering.
Those were red pills that came crashing through the window.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 05:57:04 PM
Also from that link
https://twitter.com/_based_lindsey/status/1267918436799254530/photo/1

Please tell me this is a joke.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 02, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
:laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267916244516171781

I think they were pissed at him for holding his iPhone vertically while shooting the video.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 02, 2020, 06:45:38 PM
http://www.sciotopost.com/columbus-police-seize-riot-equipment-guns-protest/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 02, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Life gets difficult when a gesture that for centuries has meant "okay" or "very good" is suddenly seen by some to mean "bad" or "white supremacist." If there was a memo circulated to document the change, I didn't receive it.

Does thumbs down still mean "bad"? If so, but thumbs up no longer means "good," what's the new symbol for "good"?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
Keep on Walking

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1267897862253416453
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
 ??? ??? ???

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267934775798628352
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 02, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
??? ??? ???

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267934775798628352

I'd probably tell him to go do something that's anatomically impossible.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
Man there's a lot of entertaining videos popping up today:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267951111538765824
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
Man there's a lot of entertaining videos popping up today:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267951111538765824

He's literally crying like a baby
I've had far worst where I put the bandaid on myself and got back to work
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 02, 2020, 08:05:21 PM
Life gets difficult when a gesture that for centuries has meant "okay" or "very good" is suddenly seen by some to mean "bad" or "white supremacist." If there was a memo circulated to document the change, I didn't receive it.

Does thumbs down still mean "bad"? If so, but thumbs up no longer means "good," what's the new symbol for "good"?

The “OK” symbol meaning white supremacy is a troll operation by 4Chan. All the usual idiots you’d expect to fall for it fell for it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 08:07:40 PM
The “OK” symbol meaning white supremacy is a troll operation by 4Chan. All the usual idiots you’d expect to fall for it fell for it.

The libs have been running wild with that one as established fact now
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 02, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
The “OK” symbol meaning white supremacy is a troll operation by 4Chan. All the usual idiots you’d expect to fall for it fell for it.

I like the tumbs up one.  That's a new one to me.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 02, 2020, 09:26:04 PM
https://twitter.com/jami92424224/status/1267844034493440002

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 02, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
https://twitter.com/jami92424224/status/1267844034493440002


Good to see stuff like that.  I heard there a town in California that did something similar. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 09:59:36 PM
 :rofl:

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1267977699844173825
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 02, 2020, 10:29:27 PM
??? ??? ???

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267934775798628352

Long version:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0fSgFQ9Fuw

(he's obviously trolling.   Apologize for George Foreman?)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
Long version:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0fSgFQ9Fuw

(he's obviously trolling.   Apologize for George Foreman?)


That puts it in context, but geez, get off your knees, white guilt morons.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 10:46:24 PM
Isn't being on your knees cultural appropriation?   :P

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 02, 2020, 10:49:09 PM
Isn't being on your knees cultural appropriation?   :P



I'd have thought it was sexual harassment. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 10:58:50 PM


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Meantime, in interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.
“This is what happens in countries before a collapse. It really does unnerve me,” said Gail Helt, a former CIA analyst.

From there it's basically Orange Man bad

Live updates: As protests push past curfews and troops descend, CIA veterans say U.S. similar to collapsing nations
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-as-protests-push-past-curfews-and-troops-descend-cia-veterans-say-us-similar-to-collapsing-nations/ar-BB14UNLc?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 02, 2020, 11:05:38 PM
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we do collapse.  I hope not, just because the outcome is probably going to be even worse.

But as one friend said recently, "As an individual I can't control if the Boogaloo happens, when it happens or how it ends. But what I can control is how many Commies bodies I stack. "
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 02, 2020, 11:13:16 PM
I'd have thought it was sexual harassment. 

Only if they're humming
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 03, 2020, 12:07:24 AM
Life gets difficult when a gesture that for centuries has meant "okay" or "very good" is suddenly seen by some to mean "bad" or "white supremacist." If there was a memo circulated to document the change, I didn't receive it.

Does thumbs down still mean "bad"? If so, but thumbs up no longer means "good," what's the new symbol for "good"?

It's internet nonsense, probably just sarcasm from 4chan. Don't fall for it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 03, 2020, 12:17:56 AM
Anyways, run on guns again. This is going to be a banner year for firearms sales.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/02/judging-from-the-line-outside-this-long-island-gun-store-the-you-dont-need-a-firearm-to-protect-yourself-just-call-the-police-narrative-is-in-trouble/

We definitely have an easy point of reference for "why would anyone need an AK-14?"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2020, 09:16:42 AM
Powerful: Protesters Spell Out 'Love' With Burning Homes And Businesses
https://babylonbee.com/news/powerful-protesters-spell-out-love-with-burning-homes-and-businesses?utm_content=buffer1a6d9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6282-2.jpg)

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What a powerful message! The protesters were also planning to burn the word "SOCIAL JUSTICE" into predominantly black parts of town but have sadly run out of buildings to burn.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 03, 2020, 10:24:07 AM
More from the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" department:

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/atm-explosion-philadelphia/2416372/

TL;DR version: scumbag tries to blow up an ATM in Philly and Darwins himself in the process.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
More from the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" department:

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/atm-explosion-philadelphia/2416372/

TL;DR version: scumbag tries to blow up an ATM in Philly and Darwins himself in the process.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/1e/b3/a21eb313a7841ad3ffed7fe4677b183d.gif)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 03, 2020, 11:10:04 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/1e/b3/a21eb313a7841ad3ffed7fe4677b183d.gif)


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Thank you for the laugh!  I needed it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
Do you think those ATM's will be repaired or just removed?  Wondering also how many of those small businesses and such will still be there 6 months from now. 

Maybe now is the time for Michelle Obama to complain about food deserts again.  I guess we now might have ATM deserts.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 03, 2020, 11:39:16 AM
Do you think those ATM's will be repaired or just removed?  Wondering also how many of those small businesses and such will still be there 6 months from now. 

Maybe now is the time for Michelle Obama to complain about food deserts again.  I guess we now might have ATM deserts.

My guess is that they will be removed.

Buying an ATM will cost between $2,000 and $4,000 on average. Higher end ATM machines that are built into the wall are more expensive and can cost between $5,000 and $10,000. An optional cash loading service runs $40 to $60 per month.

https://www.costowl.com/b2b/atm-machine-cost.html#:~:text=Generally%2C%20ATM%20machines%20cost%20anywhere,purchased%20starting%20at%20about%20%24500. (https://www.costowl.com/b2b/atm-machine-cost.html#:~:text=Generally%2C%20ATM%20machines%20cost%20anywhere,purchased%20starting%20at%20about%20%24500.)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 03, 2020, 11:41:31 AM
My guess is that they will be removed.


That fits with the cashless society
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2020, 12:16:25 PM
Apparently I'm a racist white supremacist for saying character is more important than race.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 03, 2020, 12:20:27 PM
Apparently I'm a racist white supremacist for saying character is more important than race.

No, you're not.

You're a racist white supremacist because you're white. Doesn't matter what you say.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 03, 2020, 01:24:48 PM
I don't know how this affair got sidetracked into all about "racism". The real issues here are the heavy-handed militarized policing that has become standardized now and the near 0 accountability that police have in the judicial system for damage they cause to others. Institutionally police have been conditioned to show "depraved indifference" towards everyone and anyone not in uniform or without political connections/celebrity status, color need not apply.

But noooo...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/76ebe4c414bae3ed982163a948fa2b6a/tenor.gif?itemid=3979344)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Everything is about race and only race otherwise it's racist.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 03, 2020, 01:53:33 PM
I don't know how this affair got sidetracked into all about "racism". The real issues here are the heavy-handed militarized policing that has become standardized now and the near 0 accountability that police have in the judicial system for damage they cause to others. Institutionally police have been conditioned to show "depraved indifference" towards everyone and anyone not in uniform or without political connections/celebrity status, color need not apply.

But noooo...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/76ebe4c414bae3ed982163a948fa2b6a/tenor.gif?itemid=3979344)

Easy, it is a manufactured distraction to pull attention back off the growing police state.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 03, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Chauvin (the cop with the knee) now charged with second degree murder. The other three cops have also been charged, as accessories to murder.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-more-minneapolis-officers-charged-george-floyd-death-derek-chauvin-n1222796
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 03, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Chauvin (the cop with the knee) now charged with second degree murder. The other three cops have also been charged, as accessories to murder.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-more-minneapolis-officers-charged-george-floyd-death-derek-chauvin-n1222796

If they get a completely unbiased jury, will they get 2nd degree to stick? IANAL and I have no idea what all evidence they have, but if they're trying for the highest thing they can get and he gets acquitted, I'm gonna be carrying my AR in the car even out here in the sticks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2020, 05:32:40 PM
This is all a white supremacist conspiracy to spread C19 in the black community. Or something

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    Let's be clear about something: if there is a spike in coronavirus cases in the next two weeks, don't blame the protesters.

    Blame racism.

    — Mark D. Levine (@MarkLevineNYC) June 3, 2020
Quote
    And let's remember that the police are increasing covid risk by:
    * using tear gas
    * herding demonstrators into tight spaces
    * putting people in crowded jails

    — Mark D. Levine (@MarkLevineNYC) June 3, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/03/nyc-councilman-says-to-blame-racism-and-the-nypd-if-theres-a-coronavirus-spike/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2020, 05:37:50 PM
Tear gas? you ask

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    NEW: The widespread use of tear gas could contribute to a coronavirus rebound.

    One study of Army recruits found evidence of significantly higher rates of respiratory illness after they were exposed to tear gas.https://t.co/7vS8aYtkQs

    — Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) June 3, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/03/new-york-times-study-suggests-widespread-use-of-tear-gas-could-intensify-covid-19-pandemic/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 03, 2020, 06:09:16 PM
If they get a completely unbiased jury, will they get 2nd degree to stick? IANAL and I have no idea what all evidence they have, but if they're trying for the highest thing they can get and he gets acquitted, I'm gonna be carrying my AR in the car even out here in the sticks.

ACLU says 3rd degree murder charges will get thrown out.  I thought it fit, but the MN supreme court has previously said it doesn't because the "depraved indifference" was directed at a single person (who then died) rather than to a group or people or the public at large..  I thought I posted a link to that, but maybe it was in another thread or something.  1st degree is a big stretch and he'd probably be acquitted of that.  Don't know about 2nd, ACLU says it fits.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 03, 2020, 06:31:46 PM
So if you are killing many people it would make it a lesser(3rd) degree of murder? That doesn't make sense, but well that's law for you I guess
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 03, 2020, 06:47:16 PM
Well someones decided to weigh in on the whole military thing.....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 03, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
We've been getting really interesting e-mails from the DOD Chain of Command all day.  Let me see if I can find one open source.

ETA:  I can't easily find it.  Service members have posted it all over FB, but you'd need to be their friends.  Not sure what the distro limitations on it is, It's not classified.

That said, the interesting part is thus:

Quote from: Hon. Mark Esper
Throughout these response efforts, I have been incredibly proud of our Service members and their hard work to assist our fellow Americans. This past week, our support to civil authority mission - that had been focused on COVID-19 - changed. Our National Guard are now also being called upon across the country to help protect our communities, businesses, monuments, and places of worship.
 
Department of Defense personnel have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. I myself have taken it many times in my military and civilian careers, and believe strongly in it. As part of that oath, we commit to protecting the American people's right to freedom of speech and to peaceful assembly. I, like you, am steadfast in my belief that Americans who are frustrated, angry, and seeking to be heard must be ensured that opportunity. And like you, I am committed to upholding the rule of law and protecting life and liberty, so that the violent actions of a few do not undermine the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens.

Reading between the lines, we are not all about "dominate[ing] the streets".

Interesting times indeed.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 03, 2020, 06:55:36 PM
This one contains the full text of the release at the bottom of the article

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 03, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
So if you are killing many people it would make it a lesser(3rd) degree of murder? That doesn't make sense, but well that's law for you I guess

No.  For 3rd degree murder it's intentional life threatening behavior that results in a fatality that is either directed a large group of people or to the public in general.  E.g. arson that results in someone random dying, or shooting knowing there is a group people who are in the path of the bullet and it hits and kills someone but not aiming at anyone in particular.

Intentional life threatening actions directed at a specific individual that cause death without premeditation (or the legal equivalent) is 2nd degree murder.

At least in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 03, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
So if you are killing many people it would make it a lesser(3rd) degree of murder? That doesn't make sense, but well that's law for you I guess

The sentence for 2 (or more) 3rd degree murder convictions is longer than one 2nd degree murder, so it kinda makes sense.   ;/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2020, 07:22:57 PM
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/st-louis-riots-missouri-attorney-general-says-circuit-attorney-not-prosecuting-criminals/63-3cf5934f-623d-4f71-ac9f-05c2c2882b78
Looters, rioters not being prosecuted by circuit attorney, says attorney general
St. Louis police arrested 36 people during violent protests. All have been released without charges

https://www.kmov.com/news/missouri-ag-says-all-st-louis-looters-rioters-have-been-released/article_03b7fa9a-a5be-11ea-b8ae-fb15756c0a9d.html

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/03/what-the-actual-f-missouri-ag-says-local-prosecutor-released-back-onto-the-streets-every-person-arrested-for-rioting-and-looting-in-st-louis/
This link looks familiar so maybe this is a repeat.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 03, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Well someones decided to weigh in on the whole military thing.....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html


I like much of what he said, but I differ here:

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"We must reject any thinking of our cities as a 'battlespace' that our uniformed military is called upon to 'dominate,'" Mattis said. "At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society."
"It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them."

When the civilian authorities abdicate their responsibility, and are part of the problem rather than part of the solution, and when unknown actors are fomenting riots that arguably rise to the level of rebellion, then I believe it is right and proper to use the military to suppress the insurrection.

Caveat (important): If the insurrection is in support of the Constitution, rather than an attempt to tear down the Constitution, then I expect the military to honor its oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and to side with the Constitutionalists rather than the aw-thaw-rih-tays. This insurrection is NOT in support of the Constitution.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 03, 2020, 09:07:40 PM
I like much of what he said, but I differ here:

When the civilian authorities abdicate their responsibility, and are part of the problem rather than part of the solution, and when unknown actors are fomenting riots that arguably rise to the level of rebellion, then I believe it is right and proper to use the military to supprerss the insurrection.

Caveat (important): If the insurrection is in support of the Constitution, rather than an attempt to tear down the Constitution, then I expect the military to honor its oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and to side with the Constitutionalists rather than the aw-thaw-rih-tays. This insurrection is NOT in support of the Constitution.
Except a for the most part people are protesting peacefully. By all means deal with the rioters, vandals, etc. Someone's burning a car? Toss their ass in jail.

But there's also a whole lot of otherwise lawful protestors, hell multiple instances of protestors self policing, whose only crime has been civil disobedience via ignoring a curfew or orders to disperse being tear gassed, herded, shot at with rubber bullets, etc. That is in no way shape or form something warranting the military. And frankly a lot of the curfews have been, in my not very humble opinion, bullshit. And heavy handed tactics breaking up or rounding up members of a peaceful protest have had numerous examples of the underlying problem through law enforcement and civil leadership in some of these localities.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 03, 2020, 10:19:19 PM
I like much of what he said, but I differ here:


I respect Mattis' opinion regarding the military aspect of this. The part of his statement that kinda surprised me, however, was:

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Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis on Wednesday castigated President Donald Trump as "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people"

What - did he pull a Rip Van Winkle during the entire Obama presidency?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 03, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
I'm losing respect for Mad Dog. Damn good general, piss poor politician.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on June 03, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
I'm losing respect for Mad Dog. Damn good general, piss poor politician.

I wouldn't have it any other way.  At least he's an honest general. Cant agree with his latest  bit of stupid.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
And now we got Obama urging on the protests

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The town hall was hosted by the Obama Foundation's My Brother's Keeper Alliance, which supports young men of color. During the event, Obama said he rejected a debate that emerged in “a little bit of chatter on the internet" about “voting versus protests, politics and participation versus civil disobedience and direct action.”

“This is not an either-or. This is a both,” he said. “And to bring about real change, we both have to highlight a problem and make people in power uncomfortable, but we also have to translate that into practical solutions and laws that could be implemented and monitored and make sure we’re following up on.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-urges-george-floyd-protesters-to-push-for-change-make-people-in-power-uncomfortable

In other words keep doing what you're doing and be sure to vote democrat in Nov

Burn on people
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 04, 2020, 07:09:13 AM
Something I posted on my faceplace page the other day after some cursory looking into it. No one in the media is talking about this. They should be.


"I've been looking into something over the past few days, and it's rather disturbing, yet no one is talking about it...

The information is spread out, and is somewhat tough to come by, but it's slowly coalescing, and it's startling...

The majority of the cities with the worst record of their police departments killing unarmed black men are, and in more than a few cases have been for decades, controlled either completely or in large part by Democrats.

Chicago, St. Louis, New York. All places where shocking incidents have occurred in which unarmed black men have been killed by police.

Now add Milwaukee to the list.

Include Baltimore, Detroit, Washington, DC, Philadelphia and others.

All bastions of Democratic power and control.

The Democrats claim to be the party of the oppressed, against racism, promoting equality for all.

Why have they ignored their police departments? Why have they allowed this to continue under their watch?

Yes, this is something that occurs far too frequently in police departments that are controlled by Republicans.

But to hear the talking talking heads, the protestors, etc., this is all the fault of the right.

Why are these Democratic machines not being held accountable for the actions of their police departments and for failing to enact proactive reforms that could result in a more positive police/community relationship?"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2020, 07:33:18 AM
Now we know what killed him
Everybody can go home now. Sorry

Autopsy report shows George Floyd had tested positive for coronavirus
https://www.wlky.com/article/autopsy-shows-george-floyd-had-coronavirus/32761418
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 04, 2020, 08:05:41 AM
I'm tiring of this psy-op, can we move on to the next one please?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 04, 2020, 09:32:31 AM
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/latin-kings-protect-their-neighborhood-from-the-rioters-in-chicago-2020/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: DittoHead on June 04, 2020, 09:57:11 AM
Damn good general, piss poor politician.
Interesting you should say that...
Quote from: Donald J. Trump
Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it. His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed to “Mad Dog”. His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations. I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom “brought home the bacon”. I didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him, and many others agree. Glad he is gone!

When Mattis was fired, a lot of people walked the line of saying he was a great man and good at his job but just not a good fit with his boss. It happens, no fault of either man.
I suspect now many people who previously thought quite highly of Mattis will have to dismiss him as yet another histrionic TDS sufferer, maybe even deep state.
Also, I don't think Trump had anything to do with that nickname  ??? Bizarre thing to lie about.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
Something I posted on my faceplace page the other day after some cursory looking into it. No one in the media is talking about this. They should be.


"I've been looking into something over the past few days, and it's rather disturbing, yet no one is talking about it...

The information is spread out, and is somewhat tough to come by, but it's slowly coalescing, and it's startling...

The majority of the cities with the worst record of their police departments killing unarmed black men are, and in more than a few cases have been for decades, controlled either completely or in large part by Democrats.

Chicago, St. Louis, New York. All places where shocking incidents have occurred in which unarmed black men have been killed by police.

Now add Milwaukee to the list.

Include Baltimore, Detroit, Washington, DC, Philadelphia and others.

All bastions of Democratic power and control.

The Democrats claim to be the party of the oppressed, against racism, promoting equality for all.

Why have they ignored their police departments? Why have they allowed this to continue under their watch?

Yes, this is something that occurs far too frequently in police departments that are controlled by Republicans.

But to hear the talking talking heads, the protestors, etc., this is all the fault of the right.

Why are these Democratic machines not being held accountable for the actions of their police departments and for failing to enact proactive reforms that could result in a more positive police/community relationship?"

What St Louis incident is he talking about? Or Chicago?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 04, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
Furguson is close enough and the protests did spill over.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 04, 2020, 02:04:18 PM
From what I've found on line, St Louis police kill more unarmed black men per capital than any other major city.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 04, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
The most recent Chicago incident was Laquan McDonald. He was armed with a small knife but was walking away from police when he was shot in the back. The officer, the only one who fired, emptied his pistol after McDonald was down and no longer a threat.

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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 04, 2020, 02:36:03 PM
Man, do I wish I were here at this exact time with a can of spray paint so I could have painted "BLM" on the hood of Karen's car.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/04/good-lord-brit-hume-shares-video-of-young-women-being-called-racist-for-cleaning-up-graffiti-on-federal-building-watch/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 04, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/santa-monica-music-center-looters-armed

The animals destroyed a music store. A music store specifically aimed at helping low income students.

That rented instruments to people who couldn't afford to buy them. That provided charity to provide lessons to poor students.

Just another example of the absolute disregard by these scum of the cost of their actions. Disregard of the LIVES that are being destroyed.

Who cares!? I GOT FREE STUFF!

Now, let me run off to craigslist to sell off this stupid big guitar thing.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 04, 2020, 03:50:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oqEp63duIc

It's almost as if the County medical examiner tried to subtly cover for the police involved, using improper or vague terminology and trying to muddy the waters by pointing at toxicological reports and preexisting disease.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 04, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oqEp63duIc

It's almost as if the County medical examiner tried to subtly cover for the police involved, using improper or vague terminology and trying to muddy the waters by pointing at toxicological reports and preexisting disease.

That's what they do. The systemic problem isn't racism, but the system protecting its own. (Bad police, bad prosecutors, bad lab technicians, bad judges, etc...)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2020, 04:31:49 PM
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Some, like ESPN reporter Chris Palmer, had epiphanies in real-time as the looting and rioting moved ever closer to their neighborhoods. After tweeting “Burn it down,” in response to Minneapolis protesters torching the city’s 3rd district police headquarters, Palmer did a 180-degree turn, excoriating rioters for attacking his “sister neighborhood” in Minneapolis and destroying a Starbucks, eventually calling the rioters, “animals.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/editor-for-progressive-outlet-in-north-carolina-celebrated-protesters-and-then-they-stormed-and-trashed-her-office

These tools are caricatures of themselves.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Furguson is close enough and the protests did spill over.

Oh. I didn't know I was supposed to be shocked that police will shoot you if you try to grab their gun. ;/ Figured they must be talking about something else.


From what I've found on line, St Louis police kill more unarmed black men per capital than any other major city.


They're better shots?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2020, 04:35:39 PM
News from lego land

LEGO Requests Stores Pull White House, Police, & More From Marketing
https://bleedingcool.com/games/lego-requests-stores-pull-white-house-police-more-from-marketing/

Lego stops promoting police, White House sets amid George Floyd protests
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/lego-advertising-george-floyd-protests

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Lego says the suspension of promotional campaigns for its building-block sets of the White House and law enforcement officers and equipment, a move that flummoxed avid customers, was meant to demonstrate respect amid nationwide protests over the death of a black man in police custody.

An e-mail directive from Rakuten Linkshare, which handles Lego's affiliate marketing, indicated that over 30 Lego toys representing police officers, firefighters, criminals, emergency vehicles and buildings were to be removed from "sites and any marketing ASAP," according to an e-mail obtained by The Toy Book.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 04, 2020, 05:28:50 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/lego-clarifies-decision-to-pull-ads-for-police-fire-playsets-leftists-lose-their-minds

BLOCK LIVES MATTER
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 04, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
News from lego land

LEGO Requests Stores Pull White House, Police, & More From Marketing
https://bleedingcool.com/games/lego-requests-stores-pull-white-house-police-more-from-marketing/

Lego stops promoting police, White House sets amid George Floyd protests
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/lego-advertising-george-floyd-protests

I don't follow Lego stuff, but I had no idea they even had a White House set.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on June 04, 2020, 05:50:08 PM
I don't follow Lego stuff, but I had no idea they even had a White House set.

It's part of the Dagobah set.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 04, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
BLM protestors happy to have armed citizens nearby:

https://youtu.be/bIS4C7ym5YM
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 04, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
Does anyone have an explanation how the cop is getting charged with murder and manslaughter?  I figured it would be one or the other.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 04, 2020, 06:42:51 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/minneapolis-city-council-members-look-to-disband-the-police-department-as-schools-and-other-city-agencies-cut-ties-with-police/ar-BB152szZ
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2020, 06:59:36 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/minneapolis-city-council-members-look-to-disband-the-police-department-as-schools-and-other-city-agencies-cut-ties-with-police/ar-BB152szZ

You're on your own folks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 04, 2020, 07:04:26 PM
You're on your own folks.

yep.

https://deadline.com/2020/06/lapd-chief-budget-pushback-michel-moore-eric-garcetti-1202951379/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 04, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oqEp63duIc

It's almost as if the County medical examiner tried to subtly cover for the police involved, using improper or vague terminology and trying to muddy the waters by pointing at toxicological reports and preexisting disease.

"almost" ???
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 05, 2020, 07:07:20 AM
Finally! Someone in the media has noticed the connection and has written about it.

I'm sure, however, that this is where it will end.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-korda/2020/06/04/george-floyd-brutality-systemic-racism-questions-go-unanswered-honesty-george-korda-opinion/3137659001/?fbclid=IwAR2kLmWgmNlvJm6d_U9l4CjamgoST_4jszpDSCu1QwP3Tf3hSY2wi_JZJZw
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
So potentially derailing the thread, or maybe I'm taking it back to page one.

We (the country, not APS) have, once again, turned police brutality / LE issues into "racism". This all started as cops criminally abusing / misusing their power. Now it has once again turned into "it's all about race" and it's 1000x worse for cops to kill a black man than to kill a white man.

I had to look this up. We talked about it here when it happened, but I had already forgotten most of the details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

We were all pretty outraged about it. The video was posted here and it looked like murder. Until now, I had forgotten about it. No one I know in real life had heard about it. I would have known nothing about it if it wasn't posted here. It wasn't in the MSM to any degree. There were no protests. There were no riots. This guy is just as dead as Floyd.

Note that the cop faced the same 2nd degree murder charges. He was acquitted. He was reinstated so that he could be retired with benefits. No protests. No riots.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 09:30:58 AM
I agree, Ben. This killing was atrocious and outrageous, but I have seen enough reports and videos of bad cops doing bad things to people to not be convinced that there was a racial motive behind the cops' actions. I'm not saying they were totally unbiased, but IMHO the motive was at least as much just cops being on a power trip and exercising their aw-thaw-rih-tay because they could, and it may or may not have mattered that the victim happened to be black. I'll go out on a limb and hypothesize that this wasn't the first time that cop used (and abused) that knee on the neck trick. Officer Derek Chauvin appears to have been a terrible example of a police officer, with numerous complaints about him stretching back at least ten or fifteen years. I'm not prepared to accept that all those complaints involved black people, and that he never abused his authority against whites.

Unfortunately, because of the current political climate, even suggesting that this incident wasn't 100 percent racism is, in itself, decried as racist.

What's really needed is to get the police out of the paramilitary business and back into the peace officer business. That would be a good start.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 10:13:11 AM
I agree, Ben. This killing was atrocious and outrageous, but I have seen enough reports and videos of bad cops doing bad things to people to not be convinced that there was a racial motive behind the cops' actions. I'm not saying they were totally unbiased, but IMHO the motive was at least as much just cops being on a power trip and exercising their aw-thaw-rih-tay because they could, and it may or may not have mattered that the victim happened to be black. I'll go out on a limb and hypothesize that this wasn't the first time that cop used (and abused) that knee on the neck trick. Officer Derek Chauvin appears to have been a terrible example of a police officer, with numerous complaints about him stretching back at least ten or fifteen years. I'm not prepared to accept that all those complaints involved black people, and that he never abused his authority against whites.

Unfortunately, because of the current political climate, even suggesting that this incident wasn't 100 percent racism is, in itself, decried as racist.

What's really needed is to get the police out of the paramilitary business and back into the peace officer business. That would be a good start.

In many of the "brutality" incidents that become publicized, police doing regular police duties including the Floyd incident.

I agree on changing the way search and arrest warrants are carried out and pulling back on the War on Drugs and laws associated with that.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 10:19:57 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/minneapolis-city-council-members-look-to-disband-the-police-department-as-schools-and-other-city-agencies-cut-ties-with-police/ar-BB152szZ
I am curious how they think this would actually work.  If someone was killed breaking into a home, who would check and take away the body?  Who would collect evidence and investigate?  Would the homeowner have to turn in the body somewhere?  It seems to me that someone is still going to be doing those jobs in some fashion. 
It almost would seem more straightforward to say they are going to fire all the white officers and replace them with Hispanic or African-American police. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 05, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
I am curious how they think this would actually work.  If someone was killed breaking into a home, who would check and take away the body?  Who would collect evidence and investigate?  Would the homeowner have to turn in the body somewhere?  It seems to me that someone is still going to be doing those jobs in some fashion. 
It almost would seem more straightforward to say they are going to fire all the white officers and replace them with Hispanic or African-American police. 


See, your problem is that you are trying to think logically. You can't be doing that.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 05, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
I am curious how they think this would actually work.  If someone was killed breaking into a home, who would check and take away the body?  Who would collect evidence and investigate?  Would the homeowner have to turn in the body somewhere?  It seems to me that someone is still going to be doing those jobs in some fashion. 
It almost would seem more straightforward to say they are going to fire all the white officers and replace them with Hispanic or African-American police. 


An angry mob would be along shortly to burn the defender in his home along with his family for shooting a sweet innocent Dindu.

Remember these are the left wing cities that are currently arresting those defending themselves or their property against the rioters.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on June 05, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
I am curious how they think this would actually work.  If someone was killed breaking into a home, who would check and take away the body?  Who would collect evidence and investigate?  Would the homeowner have to turn in the body somewhere?  It seems to me that someone is still going to be doing those jobs in some fashion. 
It almost would seem more straightforward to say they are going to fire all the white officers and replace them with Hispanic or African-American police. 

These questions make me think of the "Bring out your dead" scene from one of the Monty Python movies. Or maybe the cleanup squad from John Wick.

If the body was fresh - or even if it wasn't - would hog farmers be interested?

This type of speculation is no more ridiculous than the allegedly serious proposals some Democrats are putting forward to abolish police departments.

Quote from: Boomhauer
An angry mob would be along shortly to burn the defender in his home along with his family for shooting a sweet innocent Dindu.

Remember these are the left wing cities that are currently arresting those defending themselves or their property against the rioters.

No police to arrest people defending themselves against rioters would make rioting a VERY high risk activity with limited future prospects.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 05, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
No police to arrest people defending themselves against rioters would make rioting a VERY high risk activity with limited future prospects.

That's just a return to the law of the jungle.  Which is a high risk way to live with very limited future prospects for anyone.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 05, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
Got a corporate email warning that tomorrow is a global 5G protest day and that threats have been made against power and communications infrastructure. 
I'm glad I'm not working Saturday.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 05, 2020, 12:15:52 PM
Ben is right. We could all unite around better policing. Instead, the Left wants to churn up racial anxieties. The only solution they offer is to abolish policing altogether, and for whites to literally get on their knees and beg forgiveness for fictional sins. It's almost as if they don't want to find a workable solution.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 05, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
One of the guys at Babylon Bee has been imagining the difficulties that may arise in our post-police future.

Quote
If you defund the police, how are you going to take people’s plastic straws and AR-15s?

https://twitter.com/IMAO_/status/1268567029407191043?s=09
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on June 05, 2020, 01:14:19 PM
Ben is right. We could all unite around better policing. Instead, the Left wants to churn up racial anxieties. The only solution they offer is to abolish policing altogether, and for whites to literally get on their knees and beg forgiveness for fictional sins. It's almost as if they don't want to find a workable solution.
I see three possibilities:

1. Frighteningly monumental stupidity

2. Clinical insanity

3. There really IS a major conspiracy (perhaps several) finally coming out from behind the scenes.   [tinfoil]

Quote from: sumpnz
That's just a return to the law of the jungle.  Which is a high risk way to live with very limited future prospects for anyone.

You're against widespread vigilante justice and a rapid descent into total anarchy?

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 05, 2020, 03:36:45 PM
Anybody else think Chauvin and his notorious knee should be put in charge of executing cop-killers?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 03:37:51 PM
That's just a return to the law of the jungle.  Which is a high risk way to live with very limited future prospects for anyone.
Y'all get it, but I think some of these people don't follow the thought all the way through.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
One thought I had:  What do you think would happen if one of these cities shut off all the street lights in the area where the rioting/looting is happening?

Part of me wants to say it would be worse, but part of me wonders if some of these looters would be freaked out by full darkness. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 05, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Some might freak and leave but others might just build bigger fires.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 05, 2020, 04:08:07 PM
One thought I had:  What do you think would happen if one of these cities shut off all the street lights in the area where the rioting/looting is happening?

Part of me wants to say it would be worse, but part of me wonders if some of these looters would be freaked out by full darkness. 

They'll pull out their stolen iPhones and use the flashlights.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 04:31:17 PM
This should be an interesting philosophy bending trick for liberal elites: BLM wants to create its own "peace officer force". Armed citizens in black communities to counter and defend against the regular cops.

Hmm. What about those evil armed white militias that peacefully protest at state houses? Gun control or black lives matter? Which will the liberal elites support?

I'd actually like to see what kind of community armed citizen's force they create. It could actually be a boon to the gun rights (and general freedom) community. Also I notice this is apparently in gun-hating New York. I can't wait to see black people armed with AR-15s openly going about their business in NYC.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-plans-war-on-police-ny-leader-says
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 04:54:53 PM
Well, this is interesting (NSFWL), and also confusing for white progressives. Black probably trumps Mexican though:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1268972107347701763
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268994481510113280
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 05, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
When the man with the running chain saw in his hands tells you go home go home
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 06:09:51 PM
Amazon warehouse up in flames. There had to have been a *expletive deleted*it ton of merchandise inside.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/05/redlands-calif-warehouse-facility-that-handled-shipping-for-amazon-goes-up-in-flames/

Actually I should edit. Cause is unknown. So much destruction going on I just assumed it wasn't an accident, which it might very well be.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 05, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
Lots of cardboard and wooden pallets in average retail distribution center.  Then there are thousands of tons of goods and products, much of which will burn nicely once ignited.  Lots of fuel to sustain a major fire, and all of it stored vertically in 45 foot tall racks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 05, 2020, 07:53:20 PM
https://www.whec.com/news/buffalos-emergency-response-team-resigns-protestor-injured-2-officers-suspended/5752073/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 05, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
https://www.whec.com/news/buffalos-emergency-response-team-resigns-protestor-injured-2-officers-suspended/5752073/

I read about that a couple of hours ago.  What a gift!  57 worthless officers outed themselves.  Accept their resignation (from the riot squad, not from the police force, unfortunately) and assign them to be meter maids.  Or give them a broom and tell them to pick up dogshit in the park.  Or whatever other crappy deadend jobs the PD has and are stuck there until they retire, or screw that up and get fired.

Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 05, 2020, 09:14:20 PM
I read about that a couple of hours ago.  What a gift!  57 worthless officers outed themselves.  Accept their resignation (from the riot squad, not from the police force, unfortunately) and assign them to be meter maids.  Or give them a broom and tell them to pick up dogshit in the park.  Or whatever other crappy deadend jobs the PD has and are stuck there until they retire, or screw that up and get fired.
Good. To hell with the lot of them.

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Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 05, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
Good. To hell with the lot of them.

Yup.  The New York Post is saying it was the entire emergency response team. Good.  F'em.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 05, 2020, 09:19:03 PM
Yeah, I might not agree with the politics of the old guy and he may have been a loudmouth, but that was an ugly video and really bad optics with the one cop stopping the other one from checking on him.  I guess once again, the victim was the wrong color, wrong sex, and wrong age for outrage.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 05, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
Yup.  The New York Post is saying it was the entire emergency response team. Good.  F'em.


What's the plural for "Bye Felicia"?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 10:03:33 PM
Yeah, I might not agree with the politics of the old guy and he may have been a loudmouth, but that was an ugly video and really bad optics with the one cop stopping the other one from checking on him.  I guess once again, the victim was the wrong color, wrong sex, and wrong age for outrage.
I saw another clip that showed other officers come right behind them and start checking on the guy (see link below).  You can see 2 or 3 buys looking at him behind all the others toward the end.  The guy who prevented the officer from stopping got on his radio right after that.  Was he reporting that?  Don't know.  

I wasn't sure what was going on when he fell.  The one guy pushed him back, but I couldn't tell how hard he pushed.  I figure a younger guy wouldn't have fallen like that but I don't know.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1268727392505417731

I agree it was bad optics, but I didn't see it as that ugly aside from how he hit his head.  I saw a tweet earlier claiming the old guy was concussed and was receiving medical care and largely okay.  With everything else going on lately, this one seemed minor to me.  

Hell, treat the one officer like normal criminals.  Charge him with assault and battery.  Then let him plea down to a misdemeanor and release him after a few days with no felony.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
https://www.rt.com/usa/490401-cassandra-fairbanks-home-attacked-rioters/

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1267369933014536192

I found a link about the journalist who had  a group show up at her house.  Sounded to me like they were firing all those fireworks at her house.



I am pretty sure I remember using deadly force to prevent arson was allowed.  Maybe not everywhere.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
Lots of cardboard and wooden pallets in average retail distribution center.  Then there are thousands of tons of goods and products, much of which will burn nicely once ignited.  Lots of fuel to sustain a major fire, and all of it stored vertically in 45 foot tall racks.

Yes, and I'm certain the building code anywhere in California requires rack sprinklers systems for rack storage. If the building went up, it's about 95 percent certain that it was arson. The way sprinkler systems work is that the water supply is based on a small fire setting off two or four heads in the immediate vicinity of the fire to knock it down before it can spread. The number of heads, the water supply requirement, and even the droplet size from the heads is determined on the basis of the nature of what's stored.

With VERY rare exceptions, sprinkler system that open all the heads when one goes off, such as we see in the movies, simply don't exist. Those are called "deluge" systems for a reason, and they require HUGE amounts of water -- for a large building, more water than most public water mains can carry. It's possible for a fire to escalate so rapidly that it would overwhelm the sprinkler system, but it's unlikely. If the sprinklers don't put it out, they almost always slow it down enough to allow the FD time to respond and to finish knocking down the fire before it spreads to involve the entire structure.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 05, 2020, 10:26:11 PM
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 05, 2020, 11:23:35 PM
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.

Lead is toxic, bullets are made of lead so therefore lead is even more evilerer. In order to be moar grEEn the lead has been replaced with something nontoxic like stainless steel.  =D

The ones I see in the telco central office I work in have some kind of red plastic looking thing. We had a fire last July in one of the business offices when a humongous PC monitor self immolated. The fire was rapidly extinguished and the damage was contained to a relatively small area. The problems we had which included losing the swithc and knocking out 911 service to most of NE oklahoma was a result of there being no one in the building to turn off the sprinkler water supply. It to a little over 90 minutes to get them shut off. Dats a lotta water!

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 06, 2020, 12:35:40 AM
Another case of shoving people leads to serious head injury. Maybe, at some point, they will get a hint.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 06, 2020, 12:50:53 AM
Yes, and I'm certain the building code anywhere in California requires rack sprinklers systems for rack storage.

I know that sprinklers in rack storage were only required for racks storing particularly flammable items in the buildings I worked in or visited over the years.  We called them "waterfall racks".  Otherwise, it was sprinklers 45 feet overhead in the ceiling.  Plenty of opportunity for fires starting at floor level to become established before any ceiling sprinklers would trigger.
Putting sprinkler heads inside racks is asking for trouble as it's very difficult for team members driving reach trucks to see them from the floor.  Too easy to knock them loose and cause false alarms, damage product, etc., when placing pallets of product in higher levels.
 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 06, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.

I don't think they use lead as the fuse but, yes -- in a normal system, each head operates independently. If a fire starts directly under a head, and that one head releases enough water to put out the fire, no other heads will open up. If the fire grows faster than one head can handle, then more heads will open. At some point, however, more heads opening is a bug rather than a feature. I don't know how rack systems are calculated but, for ordinary hazard contents (office buildings, light manufacturing, etc.), the amount of water required is based on four heads operating, and the pipes are sized to carry that much water to the most remote part of the building from where the sprinkler main enters the building.

So, in theory, the system will provide full flow to as many as four heads. If more heads open, the pressure in the system drops and the heads don't throw as much water, or throw it as far. They still discharge water, but eventually if enough heads open there's not much more than a drip coming out of each one.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 06, 2020, 07:52:29 AM
Regarding Mattis, I've read that we can expect an anti Trump roundtable discussion with him, Kelly and a couple other former high ranking officials sometime in September. He's a loyal swamp creature.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 06, 2020, 08:24:19 AM
Yeah, I might not agree with the politics of the old guy and he may have been a loudmouth, but that was an ugly video and really bad optics with the one cop stopping the other one from checking on him.  I guess once again, the victim was the wrong color, wrong sex, and wrong age for outrage.

There is a ton of outrage out there, you just have to know where to look.  It is everywhere on Imgur.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Devonai on June 06, 2020, 08:31:03 AM

What's the plural for "Bye Felicia"?

Feliciae
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 06, 2020, 08:37:01 AM
Feliciae

Gratia.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
So these two "Ivy League" lawyers have been an interesting sub-story. They threw a moltov cocktail into a police van. While it was empty, I haven't seen any evidence that they knew that.

I find it interesting because at least one of them made it through school via some Soros entity money, and the woman was bailed out by a high level Obama official. A higher court has ordered her re-arrested though.

Tinfoil stuff, but the "coincidence" of Soros and Obama connections make you think regarding high level behind the scenes organization.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/molotov-cocktail-attack-on-nypd-court-orders-defendants-taken-back-into-custody


On the tangent, this is more proof validating my theory that at present, a state college education is just as good or better than an Ivy League education. The Ivy League schools have become nothing more than political machines.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 06, 2020, 10:11:27 AM
A good view of the huge institutional issues with police that allows Floyd-like situations to occur. Why did police involved in Floyd's case think that they could kill him in broad daylight without consequences for themselves?

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 06, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
Here's one along the same line but will warm your heart a little (I know I needed it)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721GYRlmBR4  ;)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 06, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
A good view of the huge institutional issues with police that allows Floyd-like situations to occur. Why did police involved in Floyd's case think that they could kill him in broad daylight without consequences for themselves?

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

I am not convinced they intended to kill Floyd.  I think it is more likely they just didn't care.  He heard him saying he couldn't breathe and assume that meant he was breathing.  Never bothered to check on his welfare for several minutes even after he was unconscious.  I don't know if that meets the definition of murder or not.  More information might change my opinion.

Thanks for sharing the video.  I think I have seen parts of that.  They looked older.  If the media cared about journalism, they would be doing that all over the country.  Local Govts should be testing their own cops.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2020, 11:48:05 AM

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Well, that was enlightening.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 06, 2020, 12:09:13 PM
Regarding Mattis, I've read that we can expect an anti Trump roundtable discussion with him, Kelly and a couple other former high ranking officials sometime in September. He's a loyal swamp creature.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/read-mattis-statement-on-trumps-handling-of-nationwide-protests.html
I hadn't bothered to read Mattis' statement from the other day.  Those are typical leftist talking points.  Leftists have been working to divide this country for decades while accusing everyone else of doing so.  He is either one of them or stupid enough to believe their BS.  I don't like either possibility (if there is another, I would like to hear it).  I would have thought that working for Trump he would understand Trump a bit, but his statement practically assumes Trump has ordered active duty troops to go in and shoot everyone.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 06, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392279/amp/Police-officer-set-fire-protesters-Mexico-amid-clashes-man-died-custody-cops.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Shocking footage shows the moment a police officer is set on fire by protesters in Mexico amid violent clashes over the death of a man who died after he was beaten and taken into custody.

Protesters took to the streets Guadalajara, the nation's second-largest city, on Thursday and called for authorities to be held responsible for the death of Giovanni López.

Lopez was declared dead at a local hospital following an altercation with the police, reportedly because he was not wearing a face mask amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Video from Thursday's demonstration shows the moment a police officer turns away from protesters and got on a motorcycle, before a man is seen dousing him in liquid and setting him on fire.
Different country and different issue, but damn.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 06, 2020, 04:56:11 PM
Well, that was enlightening.
And fully unsurprising
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 06, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
Here's one along the same line but will warm your heart a little (I know I needed it)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721GYRlmBR4  ;)
Well, those comments complete my quote of the day "If you're arresting a lawyer while he's smiling at you, you may want to think this over"  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Though "Do I get my phone call now?" "Sure" "Yeah honey I'm gonna be late, some unexpected income handcuffed me" is a very close contender.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2020, 05:44:53 PM
Well, those comments complete my quote of the day "If you're arresting a lawyer while he's smiling at you, you may want to think this over"  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Though "Do I get my phone call now?" "Sure" "Yeah honey I'm gonna be late, some unexpected income handcuffed me" is a very close contender.

I've decided that the comment "For your protection and mine" has gone up a few notches on my "irritating comments" list. We all know it's for the cop, not the detainee that hasn't been arrested or charged.
Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lupinus on June 06, 2020, 06:50:51 PM
I've decided that the comment "For your protection and mine" has gone up a few notches on my "irritating comments" list. We all know it's for the cop, not the detainee that hasn't been arrested or charged.
I figure it's code for "so I'm a bit less likely to shoot you"

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Title: Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 06, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
I figure it's code for "so I'm a bit less likely to shoot you"

"... unless your name is Daniel Shaver, in which case you're f***ed."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 06, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392279/amp/Police-officer-set-fire-protesters-Mexico-amid-clashes-man-died-custody-cops.html?__twitter_impression=trueDifferent country and different issue, but damn.

It all started because the cops wanted him to wear a mask. Looks like I was right.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on June 06, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
One of the guys at Babylon Bee has been imagining the difficulties that may arise in our post-police future.

https://twitter.com/IMAO_/status/1268567029407191043?s=09

oh, that's Frank...he was the main contributor of IMAO.US in the old days, he is funny as heck,i wonder if imao is still a thing
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on June 06, 2020, 08:50:12 PM
I've decided that the comment "For your protection and mine" has gone up a few notches on my "irritating comments" list. We all know it's for the cop, not the detainee that hasn't been arrested or charged.

i hate that line so much, its one of the reasons i like the "first amendment audits" on youtube, they ( the riff raff youtubers ) will often use that line back on the police-its hilarious.
Some of the 1A audits are over the top idiots, but a few are funny and interesting/instructional
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 06, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
oh, that's Frank...he was the main contributor of IMAO.US in the old days, he is funny as heck,i wonder if imao is still a thing

Yup, that's the Frank.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 07, 2020, 02:04:49 AM

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Scary *expletive deleted*it.

The problem with police officers is that the 98 percent of them who are rogue cops give the rest a bad name.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 07, 2020, 07:48:38 AM
The same people screaming to defund the police are gonna be the same ones pissed when the career criminal class (particularly the “catch and release” ones), child molesters, etc are all swinging from lampposts.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 07, 2020, 08:19:26 AM
The same people screaming to defund the police are gonna be the same ones pissed when the career criminal class (particularly the “catch and release” ones), child molesters, etc are all swinging from lampposts.

If places were to actually go through with this "eliminate police" thing, it will be interesting times.

I have problems with the militarization of police and some directions the institution of law enforcement is going. Also individual cops who get the job for the wrong reasons and slip through the screening process and/or ongoing job evaluations. There's a difference between addressing those issues and "no more police".

When we go full Purge, these people will be screaming that "the man" doesn't care about them and why won't they DO SOMETHING! Or else they'll be part of the lawless mob committing violent crimes for which there are no repercussions. Except for the 230 grain kind.

The logical and sympathetic part of me doesn't want to see something like the elimination of the Minneapolis police department because of the innocent lives that will be harmed or lost. The "I told you so" part of me wants them to do it as I sit back and watch the movie.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 07, 2020, 08:21:49 AM
Cop gets charged for hitting someone in the head with a metal baton, but the more interesting part here is the sammich store owner. He receives an online threat from a police union representative and then gets a visit from the DA and the police union representative, does a photo op, after which he issues a statement saying everything is OK. Seems odd. Wonder what went on in their private chat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI6NKjsIxeg
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 07, 2020, 08:50:03 AM
I'm mildly amused that the police chief is named Outlaw.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 07, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
That old man with the cane that got shoved over speaks. He seems to be the most harmless, mellow senior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KX5lcxnrcw

Also, are police institutionally sociopathic? Discuss...  :police:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/sociopathy

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Sociopathy refers to a pattern of antisocial behaviors and attitudes, including manipulation, deceit, aggression, and a lack of empathy for others[...] Sociopaths may or may not break the law, but by exploiting and manipulating others, they violate the trust that the human enterprise runs on.

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The defining characteristic of the sociopath is a profound lack of conscience—a flaw in the moral compass that typically steers people away from breaking common rules and toward treating others decently.


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What is the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?

Perhaps the most fundamental difference is the fact that sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, even if limited in number. In contrast, psychopaths are unable to form or maintain genuine bonds.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 07, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/manhattan-da-announces-protesters-arrested-by-nypd-will-not-be-charged-our-office-has-a-moral-imperative/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 07, 2020, 10:58:28 AM
(https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/T6FsN9gC.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 07, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 07, 2020, 11:04:52 AM
Glory is one of my favorite movies BTW
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 07, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
Not the first time BTW
https://historicaldigression.com/2012/08/01/shaw-memorial-vandalized/

Technically it's actually The Robert Gould Shaw Memorial
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 07, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
Grab your muskets fellas - Tom Arnold and his "daddy's huntin' rifle" army is coming after us.

As usual, Carol Roth is awesome.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/07/bahaha-carol-roth-makes-absolute-tool-of-tom-arnold-calling-for-liberal-white-men-to-borrow-their-dads-hunting-rifles-to-fight-trump-supporters/

Also,  I believe what he's suggesting is illegal in his home state. Can't be loaning or borrowing evil firearms.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 07, 2020, 12:13:56 PM
NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5BeQ1w4bfA

Yep. She's pissed people are protecting their own store.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 07, 2020, 12:32:53 PM
NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5BeQ1w4bfA

Yep. She's pissed people are protecting their own store.

Homicide detective!

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 07, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
After listening for a couple of minutes, I was also ready to keeeel her.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 07, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
GoFundMe cancels funding requests if the business isn't liberal. A GoFundMe was started to help a business destroyed by riots and looting, then stopped by GoFundMe because they apparently didn't like either the business or the funder (conservative (and black) Candice Owens). Add GoFundMe to the other tech companies who use their wealth for commie pinkos.

I've never used GoFundMe, but have contributed to campaigns there. If somebody wants me to help them in the future, they'll need to find another funding interface. I won't give GoFundMe a commission anymore.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/07/wtaf-candace-owens-gofundme-for-the-parkside-cafe-in-al-removed-because-she-was-raising-funds-for-a-conservative-business/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 07, 2020, 04:07:52 PM
I don't think they use lead as the fuse but, yes -- in a normal system, each head operates independently. If a fire starts directly under a head, and that one head releases enough water to put out the fire, no other heads will open up. If the fire grows faster than one head can handle, then more heads will open. At some point, however, more heads opening is a bug rather than a feature. I don't know how rack systems are calculated but, for ordinary hazard contents (office buildings, light manufacturing, etc.), the amount of water required is based on four heads operating, and the pipes are sized to carry that much water to the most remote part of the building from where the sprinkler main enters the building.

So, in theory, the system will provide full flow to as many as four heads. If more heads open, the pressure in the system drops and the heads don't throw as much water, or throw it as far. They still discharge water, but eventually if enough heads open there's not much more than a drip coming out of each one.

I'm bringing back the discussion about fires and sprinklers because of a statement by one of the firefighters about that Amazon distribution warehouse fire.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/05/massive-3-alarm-warehouse-fire-erupts-amazon-redlands/

"We were overwhelmed in why did this building allow the fire to grow so rapidly. This is a modern building, modern construction, with the latest in fire protection technology inside it. So we're highly concerned about what overwhelmed the system so that we're at the position we're at now."

The news video also says that the BATFE is taking a lead role on the investigation. The video doesn't state it, but my guess is that the BATFE wiouldn't get involved unless there's a strong suspicion of arson.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 07, 2020, 04:13:15 PM
NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5BeQ1w4bfA

Yep. She's pissed people are protecting their own store.

Good grief! Another product of a free, public education. I'll bet she actually graduated from some building that calls itself a high school.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 07, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
GoFundMe cancels funding requests if the business isn't liberal. A GoFundMe was started to help a business destroyed by riots and looting, then stopped by GoFundMe because they apparently didn't like either the business or the funder (conservative (and black) Candice Owens). Add GoFundMe to the other tech companies who use their wealth for commie pinkos.

I've never used GoFundMe, but have contributed to campaigns there. If somebody wants me to help them in the future, they'll need to find another funding interface. I won't give GoFundMe a commission anymore.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/07/wtaf-candace-owens-gofundme-for-the-parkside-cafe-in-al-removed-because-she-was-raising-funds-for-a-conservative-business/

Yet GoFundMe seems to be allowing a person who may be a career criminal to be running a campaign to fund buying himself a new gun. If you're on any of the "gun" forums, look for a new member using the screen name Gene1911.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 07, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
I just got home from an a/c job and had left the tv on hbo because I was watching a movie.

Bill Meh was on with a former NSA. I'm going to guess Obama admin. He said most of the people arrested in the riots were far right wing. Offered no proof and no push back before I turned it off at least.

Must Trumps fault.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 07, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
Have their been any videos of police *expletive deleted*ing up actual rioters? So far I just get to see ones of police hitting non violent people or attacking actual protesters.


Also does this feel like Kristallnacht Part Two: Electric Boogaloo to anyone else? Do nothing to the rioters but *expletive deleted*ck people who defend themselves in the ass?


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on June 07, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
I just got home from an a/c job and had left the tv on hbo because I was watching a movie.

Bill Meh was on with a former NSA. I'm going to guess Obama admin. He said most of the people arrested in the riots were far right wing. Offered no proof and no push back before I turned it off at least.

Must Trumps fault.
Sure. Just like the woman in the youtube video linked in bedlamite's post is a white supremacist.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 07, 2020, 10:12:01 PM
I just got home from an a/c job and had left the tv on hbo because I was watching a movie.

Bill Meh was on with a former NSA. I'm going to guess Obama admin. He said most of the people arrested in the riots were far right wing.

... which means that all those Hollywood celebrities contributing bail money for the "protesters" are in fact bailing out far-right folks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 07, 2020, 10:27:45 PM
Minneapolis city council vows to disband the police department:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/protests-today-george-floyd-video.html

Every career criminal in the Twin Cities area:  "Squeeeeeee!!!"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 07, 2020, 10:31:50 PM
Have their been any videos of police *expletive deleted*ing up actual rioters? So far I just get to see ones of police hitting non violent people or attacking actual protesters.

Also does this feel like Kristallnacht Part Two: Electric Boogaloo to anyone else? Do nothing to the rioters but *expletive deleted*ck people who defend themselves in the ass?


I have not seen any either.  I see police seeing what they can get away with, like macing a 9 year old girl or shooting paintballs at people quietly sitting on their front porch minding their own business.  Perhaps they are trying to start a civil war because they have better weaponry (which they probably do) and think they can win.  Or it's all a show and they are just trying to distract us from something else.  Either way, the police want to be hated; I think it proves to them how righteous they are.

They don't realized how outnumbered they are if the balloon ever goes up, and the rest of us have pretty adequate weaponry too.  It would be a bloodbath on both sides, just like the first Civil War.  Also, one lone wolf can paralyze a metropolis; we saw that with the DC Sniper.  Imagine what a few dozen could do, along with the various militias that would pop up, the biker gangs, organized crime, the skinheads, Antifa, anarchists in general, etc.  Now imagine further that a few of those ad hoc militias have charismatic leaders who understand guerrilla tactics (like Che Guevara.)  My imagination hurts :(
 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 07, 2020, 10:37:49 PM
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Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 07, 2020, 11:46:29 PM
Have their been any videos of police *expletive deleted*ing up actual rioters? So far I just get to see ones of police hitting non violent people or attacking actual protesters.

Also does this feel like Kristallnacht Part Two: Electric Boogaloo to anyone else? Do nothing to the rioters but *expletive deleted*ck people who defend themselves in the ass?


I saw this on another forum.  Feel free to dismiss half of them (or more!) there's plenty:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA#
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 12:00:06 AM
I just got home from an a/c job and had left the tv on hbo because I was watching a movie.

Bill Meh was on with a former NSA. I'm going to guess Obama admin. He said most of the people arrested in the riots were far right wing. Offered no proof and no push back before I turned it off at least.

Must Trumps fault.

Are the police around the country compiling those stats for the Political Views of Subjects Arrested During Riots Database? Even if they were, what if Antifa/BLM is telling people to make right-wing-sounding noises if they're arrested? It's a lot more likely than righties being the violent ones.

If you want to don a double layer of tinfoil, what if police have orders to arrest any counter-protesters they find?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on June 08, 2020, 02:15:06 AM
  yikes, this looks true and alarming.
my roomates 13 yr old daughter has been taught in school that the world ends "in ten or 13 yrs" - she see's no reason to plan for a future and its all trumps fault .
This video seems to have some truth in it.
my roomies are apolitical/not into looking at anything but a half hour of news, only into entertainment .... they don't really know whats going on in schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfsuKCgwDpo
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on June 08, 2020, 02:26:26 AM
 I heard recently that knee on the leg as a restraint is taught to police in mini-apple.

    I am willing to bet that all the cops get exonerated.

 I am not saying that is good, but the facts may indicate that they are innocent in a court of law.
plus, if they get set loose/not guilty it will be a huge distraction and weaponized against trump.

The rodney king riots will look like preschool.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2020, 03:15:23 AM
Minneapolis city council vows to disband the police department:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/protests-today-george-floyd-video.html

Every career criminal in the Twin Cities area:  "Squeeeeeee!!!"


Free TVs!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2020, 03:16:40 AM
Went on to Amazon and was greeted by a big We Support BLM banner
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 08, 2020, 03:25:54 AM
Have their been any videos of police *expletive deleted*ing up actual rioters? So far I just get to see ones of police hitting non violent people or attacking actual protesters.


Also does this feel like Kristallnacht Part Two: Electric Boogaloo to anyone else? Do nothing to the rioters but *expletive deleted*ck people who defend themselves in the ass?




The government equivalent of restraining a victim for a perpetrator.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 08, 2020, 06:40:57 AM
I saw this on another forum.  Feel free to dismiss half of them (or more!) there's plenty:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA#

Your link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 08, 2020, 08:07:40 AM
The nation has been so conditioned by psyops that allowing looting and rioting while arresting store owners and homeowners who protect themselves is seen as moral.

We used to laugh at the British and their insane actions against self defense and yet, here we are ...

When you start pointing out to normies how ludicrous this all is they in kneejerk fashion take the wrong side of the issue and get agitated.

Years of psyops, they can't push out of the cognitive dissonance and actually see the reality.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on June 08, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
How long before that community based police replacement sounds a lot like sharia patrols?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 08, 2020, 08:58:30 AM
Your link doesn't work.

It works for me... maybe because it's in my browser cache.  See if this helps.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA# (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA#) 

or this https://tinyurl.com/GFProtestPoliceBrutality
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 10:02:28 AM
How long before that community based police replacement sounds a lot like sharia patrols?


As long as they're not militias, which I've heard are bad and racist.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on June 08, 2020, 10:13:09 AM
Quote
they don't really know whats going on in schools.

Not in my classroom.  I strive to be as unbiased as possible.  I present facts, expect students to look facts, and make their own decision, not following some "influencer."  I do not see schools as some type of indoctrination camps
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Not in my classroom.  I strive to be as unbiased as possible.  I present facts, expect students to look facts, and make their own decision, not following some "influencer."  I do not see schools as some type of indoctrination camps

Nobody said there are no good teachers and no good schools.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/shaun-king-democrats-run-the-cities-with-worst-police-brutality

Shaun King, if you didn't know, is a BLM tool who may or may not be black.
Quote
Democrats, from top to bottom, are running the cities with the worst police brutality in America right now. We voted for them.”

He apparently left the Dem. party in 2016, so maybe his comment is not that surprising. But as we know, he'll have to vote for Joe this year, if he wants to keep being black.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
It works for me... maybe because it's in my browser cache.  See if this helps.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA# (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8*mIHYeMnoj9XWUp3Svb_KZA#) 

or this https://tinyurl.com/GFProtestPoliceBrutality
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8
I was able to pull it up.  

That first link with the horses in Houston.  It didn't look to me like the officer intended to knock her down.  Looked more like the horse decided it wanted to go there and she was in the way.  I don't ride so someone else might see it differently.  Might need to ask my neice.  
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266565461937917953
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 08, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
It is very biased reporting.  So discount it all, say, 50%.  And throw out the ones that have nothing to do with the George Floyd protests.  There's still an awful lot there.  I'm still looking for videos of them arresting looters or arsonists; seems more like they are running interference for them instead.  But perhaps nobody is posting those because it's not newsworthy, or doesn't fit the anti-cop narrative.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
If they defunded law enforcement, who would enforce the ordnances the city council passes?  They certainly wouldn't have any tax revenue as every business of any size would close down or leave.  What insurance provider would insure a business there?  

The other sad thing is a lot of the cops who don't leave would be working security the next day for those that could afford it.  Neighborhood associations would hire some of them.  That assumes people still live there.

I have a feeling the reality of this will be that it either doesn't happen or they try some feel good deal and call them something else.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 08, 2020, 11:14:43 AM
If they defunded law enforcement, who would enforce the ordnances the city council passes?  They certainly wouldn't have any tax revenue as every business of any size would close down or leave.  What insurance provider would insure a business there?  

The other sad thing is a lot of the cops who don't leave would be working security the next day for those that could afford it.  Neighborhood associations would hire some of them.  That assumes people still live there.

I have a feeling the reality of this will be that it either doesn't happen or they try some feel good deal and call them something else.

I think Frenchy hit the nail on the head a few posts ago; Sharia patrols.  And you'll still have the sheriff's office; the city council can't do anything about that.

What they should be asking is "why is St Paul's PD actually pretty good and ours sucks?" 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 11:23:10 AM
If they defunded law enforcement, who would enforce the ordnances the city council passes?  They certainly wouldn't have any tax revenue as every business of any size would close down or leave.  What insurance provider would insure a business there?  

The other sad thing is a lot of the cops who don't leave would be working security the next day for those that could afford it.  Neighborhood associations would hire some of them.  That assumes people still live there.

I have a feeling the reality of this will be that it either doesn't happen or they try some feel good deal and call them something else.

They'll replace the PD with something more racist and corrupt. Any white person foolish enough to venture into a "black" part of town, should he have any dispute with a local, will be shook down and have no recourse. Because diversity.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
AOC has competition

Quote

    CAMEROTA: “What if in the middle of the night my home is broken into. Who do I call?”

    BENDER: “Yes, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors. And I know — and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege.” pic.twitter.com/WhubQ9yJIf

    — Eddie Zipperer (@EddieZipperer) June 8, 2020

Minneapolis City Council President: Calling the Police for a Burglary is Evidence of Privilege
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/minneapolis-city-council-president-calling-the-police-for-a-burglary-is-evidence-of-privilege/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Devonai on June 08, 2020, 12:50:20 PM
Wow.  Is being able to dig a grave in my backyard and plant a ficus over it also evidence of privilege?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2020, 01:41:38 PM
Wow.  Is being able to dig a grave in my backyard and plant a ficus over it also evidence privilege?

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: JN01 on June 08, 2020, 06:08:52 PM
Crime stats will drop down to nothing if there is no one to file a criminal complaint with.  Minneapolis may end up looking like Hiroshima in 1945, but on paper, their feel good counselling force will look like a raging success over the evil cops.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
Whoops
Posted one with the wrong message at first.
Note to self: Pay closer attention to the wording in the meme before posting
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2020, 06:43:47 PM
This is the one I meant to post

(https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/hiroshima-detroit.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: HankB on June 08, 2020, 07:35:40 PM
Crime stats will drop down to nothing if there is no one to file a criminal complaint with.  Minneapolis may end up looking like Hiroshima in 1945, but on paper, their feel good counselling force will look like a raging success over the evil cops.
There may be nobody to crow about it.

If they succeed in abolishing the police entirely, the city council members may meet the same fate at the hands of "their" people as Benito Mussolini . . . or, more recently, Muammar Qaddafi.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on June 08, 2020, 10:17:26 PM
Wow.  Is being able to dig a grave in my backyard and plant a ficus over it also evidence of privilege?

Just go easy on the nitrogen for a few years, no need to burn the leaves.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 08, 2020, 10:28:50 PM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1YmZeSxpz52qT-10tkCjWOwOGkQqle7Wd1P7ZM1wMW0E/htmlview?pru=AAABcql6DI8
I was able to pull it up.  

That first link with the horses in Houston.  It didn't look to me like the officer intended to knock her down.  Looked more like the horse decided it wanted to go there and she was in the way.  I don't ride so someone else might see it differently.  Might need to ask my neice.  
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266565461937917953

Your second link worked. The first gave me the same as the others -- a database page showing a list of many videos in the database.

As for intending to ride over her, it was too fast to be certain but it did appear that the officer was trying to rein the horse to the right (away from the girl), but Dobbin was moving too fast and responded too slowly.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 08, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
The database page with about 600 entries was what I was trying to link
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 09, 2020, 01:09:31 AM
Now the police are using topography against our communities. A precious young lad was trying to acquire items from a Wal-Mart in an outer-outer ring suburb of St Louis, when mean people tried to take him into custody.

Quote
While running away from police, officers said the teen jumped a fence and fell down a bluff. The 14-year-old was rushed to a nearby hospital where he is expected to recover.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/gravois-bluffs-walmart-shoplifting-teen-fenton/63-cd8541aa-f455-4d23-93cb-9a109015c65e?ref=exit-recirc

On the other hand, he might turn out to be white, so no one will care what happened to him.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on June 09, 2020, 01:11:20 AM
Not in my classroom.  I strive to be as unbiased as possible.  I present facts, expect students to look facts, and make their own decision, not following some "influencer."  I do not see schools as some type of indoctrination camps

they are indoctrinating them here, the teachers i know personally are all for bernie sanders or left of him.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 09, 2020, 08:23:39 AM
New bumper sticker for the times.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 09, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KSPANZVJXQI6VEDD42N5MUQJIA.jpg&w=691)

I heard commentary on this stunt with Nancy Pelosi and Democrats going down on their knee to "honor" Floyd. 

"What, are they putting their knee down pretending to kill a black man?"

 :facepalm:   :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
They're kneeling to their new leaders, BLM
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 09:51:10 AM
Just checked , Kaepernickat at 32 is too young to run for president. Maybe 2024
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2020, 09:58:34 AM
Just checked , Kaepernickat at 32 is too young to run for president. Maybe 2024

I just read that now it is required that he be hired by a sportsball team as part of the riot demands. It's racism not to. I don't know what it's called when black players other than him are not hired, or hired instead of him because they're better.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 10:07:12 AM
I just read that now it is required that he be hired by a sportsball team as part of the riot demands. It's racism not to. I don't know what it's called when black players other than him are not hired, or hired instead of him because they're better.

Agree to have cancer or we burn your house down
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 10:48:38 AM
If they started demanding Biden be replaced with a black candidate think the DNC would refuse?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 09, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
If they started demanding Biden be replaced with a black candidate think the DNC would refuse?

Enter Michelle Obama.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
Or Biden starts identifying as black.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 09, 2020, 12:11:46 PM
Or Biden starts identifying as black.

Would that make him the first sorta mainstream white-African-Americam who is inarticulate and stupid and dirty and a pervy-looking guy.  I mean, that's a storybook, man!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 09, 2020, 12:16:37 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KSPANZVJXQI6VEDD42N5MUQJIA.jpg&w=691)

I heard commentary on this stunt with Nancy Pelosi and Democrats going down on their knee to "honor" Floyd. 

"What, are they putting their knee down pretending to kill a black man?"

 :facepalm:   :rofl: :rofl:

Not just that pushback.  They were also dragged over the coals for cultural appropriation because they were all wearing African Kente cloth.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 12:17:46 PM
Biden's new campaign strategy

(https://pics.me.me/i-was-born-a-poor-black-child-made-on-imgur-19392965.png)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 09, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots

Quote
“My ward is a s--t show,” one alderman says. “They are shooting at the police.”

I wonder how this alderman feels about defunding the police.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 09, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
Lightfoot is one the sorriest excuses for a mayor ever seen
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on June 09, 2020, 03:29:56 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots

I wonder how this alderman feels about defunding the police.


Obviously, if there were no police there would be no shooting . . . . .
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 09, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
*expletive deleted*it just got real...Buddhist Monks have joined the protests.

https://i.imgur.com/Bn7wG8c.gifv (https://i.imgur.com/Bn7wG8c.gifv)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 09, 2020, 05:16:20 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/1/antifa-end-whiteness-race-stop-funding-police-depa/

This is gonna get worse.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 09, 2020, 05:19:01 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/1/antifa-end-whiteness-race-stop-funding-police-depa/

Wasn't counterfeit bills part of why Floyd was arrested in the first place?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/1/antifa-end-whiteness-race-stop-funding-police-depa/

This is gonna get worse.

I guess so:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/09/now-leaving-the-usa-militant-protesters-in-seattle-have-set-up-barricades-and-created-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 09, 2020, 08:19:23 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KSPANZVJXQI6VEDD42N5MUQJIA.jpg&w=691)

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101956340_166779441494597_3586473537993155161_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=AHKOog2SBfMAX_1ad4T&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=d7554f2daf1ae7a57a1e969fb571768a&oe=5F06A2CD)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 09, 2020, 08:31:53 PM
I guess so:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/09/now-leaving-the-usa-militant-protesters-in-seattle-have-set-up-barricades-and-created-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/

Ms Wolfe to the courtesy phone please.

Claire - what's the time?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 09, 2020, 08:42:52 PM
I guess so:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/09/now-leaving-the-usa-militant-protesters-in-seattle-have-set-up-barricades-and-created-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/


So Antifa favors borders? With walls? And armed guards?*

So I can bring my gun with me to the free state of Capitol Hill, right? Wearing my "It's OK to be white" t-shirt?





*Someone on the Twitters pointed that out.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 09, 2020, 11:29:57 PM
Chicago's mayor and aldermen had a shouting match.

https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/05/what-are-we-going-have-left-our-community-aldermen-react-panic-sorrow-unrest


Anyone else think it's funny that Lightfoot accused someone of "preening"?

(https://i1.wp.com/www.hypehair.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Lori-lightfoot-haircut.png?resize=640%2C902)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2020, 08:11:57 AM
So now HBO has pulled Gone With the Wind from its lineup. Ironically on the anniversary of the birthday of the first black woman (Hattie McDaniel, who played "Mamie") to win an Oscar.

It's already difficult to find old and classic movies on streaming (streaming seems to define "classic" as pre-1990s). I'm glad DVDs still exist, because they might end up being one of the few ways to avoid big tech censoring cultural history and "guiding" us in what is acceptable to watch.

On the other end of the quality media scale, "Cops" has also been canceled. I remember watching it after it debuted and not liking it, because I thought it made the police state look cool. Still, it's none of my business if others want to watch it. I also have to wonder how many of the behind the scenes crew are black, and are now out of a job.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on June 10, 2020, 08:56:19 AM
Mob insanity is incurable.  You just have to wait until the signs and symptoms decline to manageability.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 10, 2020, 09:34:24 AM
Mob insanity is incurable.  You just have to wait until the signs and symptoms decline to manageability.

It's funny how the "madness of the crowd" always seems to benefit folks who have the real power and money.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Viking on June 10, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
I guess so:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/09/now-leaving-the-usa-militant-protesters-in-seattle-have-set-up-barricades-and-created-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/
And they have already run out of food apparently because the various homeless people stole it lol. Just let all the commies starve to death.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
And they have already run out of food apparently because the various homeless people stole it lol. Just let all the commies starve to death.

Let them eat poop
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 10, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
And now the Seattle protesters are demanding that the Mayor resign.

The Mayor released a statement:  "Et tu, Brute?"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-city-hall-protesters-autonomous-zone)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2020, 01:11:36 PM
Dems: You don't need a gun because you can call the police
Also Dems: Disband the police
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on June 10, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
It's funny how the "madness of the crowd" always seems to benefit folks who have the real power and money.


I have previously theorized that this is because they're hoping to become high-ranking poobahs, Commisars, and Gauleiters in the resulting super-socialist society.

Chaos, chaos, chaos.  The more, the better, and it does not matter whom  you attack or why, even if they're nominally on your side, just attack, attack, attack.

Communism thrives on chaos.

Chaos, chaos, chaos.  A simple, mindless strategy that works.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zahc on June 10, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
It's worth reminding ourselves about how far communist/anarchist movements might go. Consider the Montreal riots in the late 60s. They escalated to bombs, kidnappings, murders, and orchestrated robberies. In that context, we really haven't seen anything yet. But, it's a reminder that sitting back and waiting for it to "die down" might possibly not work and dying down might not actually happen. Like the COVID-19, it's really hard to predict how bad it will get when it's just the beginning.

We saw what happened in Montreal when the police striked in the middle of unrest. With antifa reportedly running around it it plausible to me they would take advantage of the situation like the FLQ did. As far as I know, it took relatively drastic action, and not appeasement, to eventually put it down. Factors different are different groups and context, and the current unrest in the US is relatively distributed, modulo potential masterminding/puppetmastering. Factors similar include the shocking willingness of the young and the intelligentsia to support the FLQ despite their abhorrent actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Hill_riot

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zahc on June 10, 2020, 04:24:50 PM
double post
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 10, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads/

Oh, hey. Look at this.

Starting to look like second degree murder IS an appropriate charge. And that is very well may have been personal animus.

(And, I come back to my observation from shortly after the murder that the murderer WASN'T one of the two cops who first arrested him who had Mr. Floyd's full cooperation. Seems this relationship may actually have been a pertinent factor IF Mr. Floyd did start resisting, and, given that he was murdered, may have been justified in resisting once this worthless excuse for a human being showed up.)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 10, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Quote
"Do you think Derek had a problem with black people?" CBS News asked.

"I think he was afraid and intimidated," Santamaria said.

"By black folks?" CBS News clarified.

"Yeah," Santamaria confirmed.

I'm so glad we're having riots for "Black Lives," and violence against police, so cops can learn not to fear black people.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 10, 2020, 04:50:31 PM
And they have already run out of food apparently because the various homeless people stole it lol. Just let all the commies starve to death.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1270806581970518016

Some guy named Raz Simone has apparently set himself up as a warlord in the "autonomous zone" declaring that he and his crew are the police now.

I'm just waiting for Delta Force to arrive in UH-60s (and for Ridley Scott to make the movie).



Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1270806581970518016

Some guy named Raz Simone has apparently set himself up as a warlord in the "autonomous zone" declaring that he and his crew are the police now.


He's A#1!!!!

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fiYAAOxyOBJRB2j7/s-l400.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 10, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
A scope mounted on the suppressor?  Yeah, that'll work.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
A scope mounted on the suppressor?  Yeah, that'll work.


It's a shoulder thing that goes up
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 10, 2020, 06:10:44 PM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1270806581970518016

Some guy named Raz Simone has apparently set himself up as a warlord in the "autonomous zone" declaring that he and his crew are the police now.

I'm just waiting for Delta Force to arrive in UH-60s (and for Ridley Scott to make the movie).

Power abhors a vacuum.  Or more appropriately lately, the powerful abhor a vacuum.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 10, 2020, 06:22:59 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/figures-democrats-wore-kente-cloth-honor-geoge-floyd-fabric-ashanti-slave-traders/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 10, 2020, 06:40:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Just_Shannah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267961287977373696&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewshourfirst.com%2F2020%2F06%2F03%2Fantifa-members-get-the-ever-living-daylights-beat-out-of-them%2F
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/figures-democrats-wore-kente-cloth-honor-geoge-floyd-fabric-ashanti-slave-traders/

Whoops  :rofl:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Barricade this

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShamefulDeepAngwantibo-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 11, 2020, 07:30:04 AM
"Oh. I didn't know I was supposed to be shocked that police will shoot you if you try to grab their gun. rolleyes Figured they must be talking about something else."

I wasn't talking about Ferguson.

I said, and meant, St. Louis.

More Googling, less bitching.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2020, 08:50:34 AM
So it's interesting to follow this "anarchist warlord" thing in Seattle. While I find the name given to the guy amusing, I of course recognize he's not calling himself that. In in some ways, this is not much different than what the Bundys did in Oregon.

I recall the MSM, many national politicians, and the left (but I repeat myself) calling for everything from military intervention to just wiping out that group of "domestic terrorists", who, if I recall, destroyed nothing while being a thorn in the gov's side. How those same people have changed to supporting a takeover of not a remote facility, but the middle of a large city, is almost amusing, especially considering the accompanying destruction.

Other than in the Bundy incident, a protestor was killed by police and everything was cool - the left (and many on the right) said he deserved it. I'm thinking the MSM might cover it a bit differently if a protestor in this Seattle "zone" is killed in the same way.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 11, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
So it's interesting to follow this "anarchist warlord" thing in Seattle. While I find the name given to the guy amusing, I of course recognize he's not calling himself that. In in some ways, this is not much different than what the Bundys did in Oregon.

I recall the MSM, many national politicians, and the left (but I repeat myself) calling for everything from military intervention to just wiping out that group of "domestic terrorists", who, if I recall, destroyed nothing while being a thorn in the gov's side. How those same people have changed to supporting a takeover of not a remote facility, but the middle of a large city, is almost amusing, especially considering the accompanying destruction.

Other than in the Bundy incident, a protestor was killed by police and everything was cool - the left (and many on the right) said he deserved it. I'm thinking the MSM might cover it a bit differently if a protestor in this Seattle "zone" is killed in the same way.

It's different because these protesters are black!
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...
...
...
Well, ok, most of them are privileged white boys and girls wanting to be Che Guevara, but they say they really care about black people's concerns!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 11, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
"Oh. I didn't know I was supposed to be shocked that police will shoot you if you try to grab their gun. rolleyes Figured they must be talking about something else."

I wasn't talking about Ferguson.

I said, and meant, St. Louis.

More Googling, less bitching.


The guy I replied to said Ferguson.

Don't whine when people ask you what you're blathering about. Which incident in St. Louis are you talking about?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 11, 2020, 10:33:04 AM

The guy I replied to said Ferguson.

Don't whine when people ask you what you're blathering about. Which incident in St. Louis are you talking about?

I read somewhere on the Internet recently about how St Louis police shoot so many black men.  It sounded vague but truthy.  Here's an article I just found in St Louis Today, and while I have only skimmed it, and if there's a pattern here it's that most of them are probably justified:  https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/officer-involved-shootings-in-the-st-louis-area-during-2019/collection_36cdd778-32ca-5941-bc77-0b8e69868a42.html#39
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 11, 2020, 01:21:08 PM
I read somewhere on the Internet recently about how St Louis police shoot so many black men.  It sounded vague but truthy.  Here's an article I just found in St Louis Today, and while I have only skimmed it, and if there's a pattern here it's that most of them are probably justified:  https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/officer-involved-shootings-in-the-st-louis-area-during-2019/collection_36cdd778-32ca-5941-bc77-0b8e69868a42.html#39

"... if there's a pattern here it's that most of them are probably justified:"

That's what they want you to believe.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 11, 2020, 03:11:05 PM
Watch all the videos.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/11/wanna-make-the-media-go-away-family-guy-scene-hilariously-and-perfectly-sums-up-the-media-in-30-seconds-watch/ (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/11/wanna-make-the-media-go-away-family-guy-scene-hilariously-and-perfectly-sums-up-the-media-in-30-seconds-watch/)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2020, 05:46:25 PM
I'm getting sick of this "bend the knee" bullshit.

I'm an American, God damn it. I'm a free citizen of the United States of America. I kneel to no man, and neither should any other free citizen.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/dallas-police-department-releases-video-urging-its-officers-to-takeaknee-to-end-racism/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 11, 2020, 05:54:58 PM
(https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:320x,crop:x800,quality:90x75/images/95531df5cc199350153ce79788025a326c354a7b8de9ceafafcae40a918c6576_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 11, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Huh, wut?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/starbucks-bars-employees-from-wearing-black-lives-matter-pins-because-it-could-amplify-divisiveness
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 11, 2020, 06:09:45 PM
Berklee apologizes for perpetuating feelings of oppression, silencing, and marginalization by letting cops use the bathroom
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/berklee-apologizes-for-perpetuating-feelings-of-oppression-silencing-and-marginalization-by-letting-cops-use-the-bathroom/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on June 11, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
Huh, wut?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/starbucks-bars-employees-from-wearing-black-lives-matter-pins-because-it-could-amplify-divisiveness

Starbucks is just cutting back on the pieces of flair their employees are required to wear.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 11, 2020, 07:50:34 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/

We need way more of this. I'm 100% behind this black protest. NSFW language in the video.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 11, 2020, 08:00:21 PM
And from another plane of reality

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    Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan says that the so-called Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone "has been autonomous my whole lifetime."

    "We have had peaceful demonstrations across the city." pic.twitter.com/ESeCB6qKtS

    — Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) June 11, 2020

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    I want to acknowledge that much of the violence and destruction, both here in Seattle and across the country, has been instigated and perpetuated by white men.

    — Mayor Jenny Durkan (@MayorJenny) May 31, 2020

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/this-is-beyond-surreal-seattle-mayor-jenny-durkan-seems-charmed-by-the-autonomous-zone-she-says-has-always-been-there/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 12, 2020, 08:39:51 AM
So since this started, I have seen NOTHING come from lawmakers that actually addresses the actual issue at hand, without race coming into play.

Rand Paul has just introduced the first piece of legislation that I can actually get behind*, which is banning no knocks. Unfortunately for some reason it only applies to Fed LE and any state and local LE that accepts Fed money. There may be a legal reason for the constraint, but I'd like to see it universal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-justice-for-breonna-taylor-act-barring-no-knock-warrants


*I've heard talk of limiting LE's ability to get stuff like MRAPs, which I also approve of, but am unsure if legislation has been submitted or if it's only talk at this point.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 12, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
So since this started, I have seen NOTHING come from lawmakers that actually addresses the actual issue at hand, without race coming into play.

Rand Paul has just introduced the first piece of legislation that I can actually get behind*, which is banning no knocks. Unfortunately for some reason it only applies to Fed LE and any state and local LE that accepts Fed money. There may be a legal reason for the constraint, but I'd like to see it universal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-justice-for-breonna-taylor-act-barring-no-knock-warrants


*I've heard talk of limiting LE's ability to get stuff like MRAPs, which I also approve of, but am unsure if legislation has been submitted or if it's only talk at this point.

I think he wants the non federal LE side of this to be taken care of by states and cities. That would more closely fit his political views

What "triggered"  Paul's actions was taken care of locally

https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/11/breonnas-law-unanimously-passed-by-louisville-metro-council/
’Breonna’s Law’ unanimously passed by Louisville Metro Council
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MillCreek on June 12, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
^^^I am waiting for the Federal law that removes blanket qualified immunity from LE personnel.  The employing entity should be able to choose, on a case by case basis, using objective criteria, as to if liability indemnification should be extended to the officer.  And if you really want to reduce unnecessary deaths, apply the same principle to driving the squad car and high speed pursuits.  The officer can buy their own errors/omissions/liability insurance policy if they don't want to lose their house in a civil lawsuit.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 12, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/

We need way more of this. I'm 100% behind this black protest. NSFW language in the video.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/

Is that why you posted the link twice?

Here, I can help too:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on June 12, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
^^^I am waiting for the Federal law that removes blanket qualified immunity from LE personnel.  The employing entity should be able to choose, on a case by case basis, using objective criteria, as to if liability indemnification should be extended to the officer.  And if you really want to reduce unnecessary deaths, apply the same principle to driving the squad car and high speed pursuits.  The officer can buy their own errors/omissions/liability insurance policy if they don't want to lose their house in a civil lawsuit.
The impact on already under-policed areas would be interesting.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 12, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
Is that why you posted the link twice?

Here, I can help too:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/if-you-care-about-black-lives-stop-voting-for-fking-democrats-woman-goes-off-on-racist-white-liberals-blocking-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/


Hey, I was a boomer on a phone - gimme a break. :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 12, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
So since this started, I have seen NOTHING come from lawmakers that actually addresses the actual issue at hand, without race coming into play.

Rand Paul has just introduced the first piece of legislation that I can actually get behind*, which is banning no knocks. Unfortunately for some reason it only applies to Fed LE and any state and local LE that accepts Fed money. There may be a legal reason for the constraint, but I'd like to see it universal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-justice-for-breonna-taylor-act-barring-no-knock-warrants


*I've heard talk of limiting LE's ability to get stuff like MRAPs, which I also approve of, but am unsure if legislation has been submitted or if it's only talk at this point.

After what we've just seen, I expect local police departments will get more and better MRAPs, and people will be fine with it. At least for now.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 13, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
^^^I am waiting for the Federal law that removes blanket qualified immunity from LE personnel.  The employing entity should be able to choose, on a case by case basis, using objective criteria, as to if liability indemnification should be extended to the officer.  And if you really want to reduce unnecessary deaths, apply the same principle to driving the squad car and high speed pursuits.  The officer can buy their own errors/omissions/liability insurance policy if they don't want to lose their house in a civil lawsuit.

Qualified Immunity is a legal doctrine upheld and clarified by the SCOTUS [goes to check law.cornell.edu] 6 times since the early 80's.

I'm not sure Congress can just hand wave it away and expect that law to stick.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 13, 2020, 12:58:14 PM
Qualified Immunity is a legal doctrine upheld and clarified by the SCOTUS [goes to check law.cornell.edu] 6 times since the early 80's.

I'm not sure Congress can just hand wave it away and expect that law to stick.

Why not?

The concept of qualified immunity for police officers is not enshrined in the Constitution. All the SCOTUS has ruled is that laws creating qualified immunity don't violate the constitution. Laws repealing those laws likewise should not be unconstitutional.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 03:43:47 PM
I think it was Steven Crowder that talked about just eliminating police unions.  I think idea was the unions were part of the system that was preventing bad cops from being fired or removed. 

I think it is a good idea as I don't think any public employees should be unionized. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Berklee apologizes for perpetuating feelings of oppression, silencing, and marginalization by letting cops use the bathroom
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/11/berklee-apologizes-for-perpetuating-feelings-of-oppression-silencing-and-marginalization-by-letting-cops-use-the-bathroom/

From the comments:
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Hey don’t insult Berklee College of Music, their grads are the people serving our food.
:laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 13, 2020, 03:48:12 PM
If you really hate it here that much *expletive deleted*ing leave!
I am *expletive deleted*ing sick and tired of this *expletive deleted*it

Don Lemon asks 'how can you not be racist' if you grew up in America?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/don-lemon-racist-born-us
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 03:51:05 PM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/09/ouch-nick-searcy-has-the-perfect-suggestion-for-andrew-yang-who-wants-to-rename-the-police-something-nicer-and-lol/
Andrew Yang wants to rename the police to something that sounds better (isn't that a typical leftist solution?)
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Andrew Yang🧢🇺🇸

@AndrewYang

If I wanted to change the culture of a police department - particularly if it were going through training or reorganization - I might rename them ‘Guardians’ - literally a protector or defender - and adopt a different color scheme. Minneapolis Guardians has a nice ring to it.

Nick Searcy has the best idea.
Quote
Nick Searcy, INTERNATIONAL FILM & TELEVISION STAR

@yesnicksearcy

Why not call them “Fluffy Bunny Rabbits?”

Does that mean they would carry Fuzzy Bunny Movie Guns?  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 13, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
"Guardians" actually sounds more police statey and dystopian to me.

Might as well go straight to:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Gort_Firing.jpg/220px-Gort_Firing.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 13, 2020, 04:20:40 PM
I wasn't expecting the Gort Inquisition!  (I remembered the name without looking it up  :lol:)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 13, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
"Guardians" actually sounds more police statey and dystopian to me.


I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Devonai on June 13, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
 =D

(http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62332.0;attach=3651)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 13, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Why not?

The concept of qualified immunity for police officers is not enshrined in the Constitution. All the SCOTUS has ruled is that laws creating qualified immunity don't violate the constitution. Laws repealing those laws likewise should not be unconstitutional.

That's kinda my point.  IANAL and all, but there are not, to the best of my knowledge, "Qualified Immunity Laws".  I don't think Congress ever passed a law that said, "Cops who are believe they are acting lawfully can't be sued".  The whole thing is a legal doctrine that has quite a bit of case law and precedent around it.  As I understand it from a cursory reading of the cases, the SCOTUS invented it in the 60's to give a kind of half way between the absolute immunity the POTUS gets and just letting cops get sued willy-nilly.  How it came about is moot to this though.  It is a reasonably longstanding piece of legal doctrine with a bunch of case law and precedent.  Historically the SCOTUS doesn't like overturning precedent.  Of course Congress CAN make a law that says some version of "cops don't have qualified immunity" but it would have to withstand the police union's court challenge, that would be filed .3 seconds later.

That's what I find unlikely.  Unless a much smarter lawyer than I digs through the actual decisions that caused the Supremes to decide this doctrine needed to exist, and point out where those decisions were misguided, I'm skeptical that the case law and precedent can be successfully just wiped out.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 13, 2020, 05:50:29 PM
https://cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/

Can't blame them.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 13, 2020, 06:05:00 PM
This stuff has started over seas

BLM in Paris
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53036388

London
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53031072

Belgium
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53017188
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 13, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
"Guardians" actually sounds more police statey and dystopian to me.

The Ministry of Love, then.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 13, 2020, 07:39:03 PM
Black Love Matters.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
https://cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/

Can't blame them.
They won't be alone.  There are a LOT of people who won't touch those areas.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Tucker: The world welcomes its newest country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafIdOk8bLs&feature=youtu.be

This is pretty funny if you haven't seen it.

If you have to say the word "mostly" in front of peaceful, it probably isn't peaceful. Sort of like that asteroid that some hope mostly misses the Earth.   =)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 13, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
That's kinda my point.  IANAL and all, but there are not, to the best of my knowledge, "Qualified Immunity Laws".  I don't think Congress ever passed a law that said, "Cops who are believe they are acting lawfully can't be sued".  The whole thing is a legal doctrine that has quite a bit of case law and precedent around it.  As I understand it from a cursory reading of the cases, the SCOTUS invented it in the 60's to give a kind of half way between the absolute immunity the POTUS gets and just letting cops get sued willy-nilly.  How it came about is moot to this though.  It is a reasonably longstanding piece of legal doctrine with a bunch of case law and precedent.  Historically the SCOTUS doesn't like overturning precedent.  Of course Congress CAN make a law that says some version of "cops don't have qualified immunity" but it would have to withstand the police union's court challenge, that would be filed .3 seconds later.

That's what I find unlikely.  Unless a much smarter lawyer than I digs through the actual decisions that caused the Supremes to decide this doctrine needed to exist, and point out where those decisions were misguided, I'm skeptical that the case law and precedent can be successfully just wiped out.

Not all laws are enacted by Congress.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity

Note:

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Pearson v. Callahan

In Pearson v. Callahan, 555 U.S. 223 (2009), the Supreme Court held that while the Saucier test is helpful, it does not need to be applied in qualified immunity claims. Rather, a trial court should have more discretion in whether it should apply Saucier. The Court also held that "[a]n officer conducting a search is entitled to qualified immunity where clearly established law does not show that the search violated the Fourth Amendment."
Safford v. Redding

In Safford Unified School Dist. #1 v. Redding, 129 S.Ct. 2633 (2009), the Supreme Court held that even when an individual's Fourth Amendment right to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure is violated, the person performing the search may still be immune under qualified immunity, if "clearly established law does not show that the search violated the Fourth Amendment." However, this holding was in the context of a school official conducting a search of a student for illicit items. The Supreme Court has historically given more deference to searches performed on students while in school, so this holding is more narrow than previous qualified immunity decisions.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 13, 2020, 09:45:56 PM
Here we go again

Atlanta police chief resigns amid backlash over fatal shooting of black man
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-amid-backlash-over-fatal-shooting-of-black-man
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 13, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
Atlanta is burning.

From what I've heard - that isn't much - it didn't seem like a good shoot.  Tazers are less than lethal, there was more than one policeman there armed with their own tazers, just doesn't seem like they should have shot.  Especially with what's been going on the last couple of weeks.

I'd think that the officers involved would/should have considered, however briefly, the probable consequences of shooting instead of trying some other method to take him down.  Or even let him run for a while.  He's tired, intoxicated, how long/far is he going to run?

Then again, maybe they did consider the probable reaction and just didn't care.  "We'll show those a@holes who's boss".
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 10:35:58 PM
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/06/11/joe-biden-blanks-out-and-then-insults-martin-luther-king-in-disastrous-public-comments/

Biden goes blank.
https://twitter.com/FrancisBrennan/status/1271125440325959680


Joe Biden: “Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact the George Floyd’s death did.”

https://twitter.com/ForAmerica/status/1271147958189330433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1271147958189330433&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2020%2F06%2F11%2Fjoe-biden-blanks-out-and-then-insults-martin-luther-king-in-disastrous-public-comments%2F

Quote
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 10:49:27 PM
Here we go again

Atlanta police chief resigns amid backlash over fatal shooting of black man
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-police-chief-resigns-amid-backlash-over-fatal-shooting-of-black-man

1.  If you struggle and fight with the cops, bad things happen.  It doesn't matter whether you think they are justified or not, they still happen.

2.  Did he manage to taze that one officer when he was shot?  Certainly could have been reaction on seeing him take aim at the one officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGj4YRwv_U

3.  I know some people want to see cops get trained in better hand to hand technique to be better able to control situations like this, but sometimes it almost seems like it would be better if they still had night sticks.....but probably not.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 13, 2020, 11:01:01 PM
1.  If you struggle and fight with the cops, bad things happen.  It doesn't matter whether you think they are justified or not, they still happen.

2.  Did he manage to taze that one officer when he was shot?  Certainly could have been reaction on seeing him take aim at the one officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGj4YRwv_U

3.  I know some people want to see cops get trained in better hand to hand technique to be better able to control situations like this, but sometimes it almost seems like it would be better if they still had night sticks.....but probably not.  

Oh I agree. Trouble is is that there are thousands looking for an excuse, any excuse, to loot and burn and the MSM & dems are egging them on. I feel like we're trapped in a cycle
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2020, 11:59:44 PM
Atlanta Protesters Block I-85 & Burn Cars Following Wendy's Shooting
https://youtu.be/czBppLdjc5o

I guess blocking highways has become the new free speech or something.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 14, 2020, 12:09:54 AM
This is the new normal.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
This is the new normal.

Until the dems win the WH then things will suddenly mysteriously quiet down
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 14, 2020, 12:23:17 AM
Yeah if super idiot wins it will go back to normal because the press won't cover it. If current idiot wins it's four more years of this crap.

I didn't like Trump before he ran for president and I didn't like Biden while he was in the senate.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on June 14, 2020, 01:06:33 AM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/09/ouch-nick-searcy-has-the-perfect-suggestion-for-andrew-yang-who-wants-to-rename-the-police-something-nicer-and-lol/
Andrew Yang wants to rename the police to something that sounds better (isn't that a typical leftist solution?)
Nick Searcy has the best idea.
Does that mean they would carry Fuzzy Bunny Movie Guns?  

It won't solve the problem but it might help. One issue with police is the culture. I despise the term "law enforcement" which is how they all self describe. A return to outmoded terms like "peace officer" would help. Order of society is the higher goal, not enforcement of the law.


And meanwhile back in the real world... The busiest spot in my old hood of ultra oppressed Charlottesville I about got caught tonight in a traffic jam, protestors closed a very busy intersection and the cops set a very wide cordon around it with public works dump trucks, trash trucks and such. I couldn't get within a half mile but I suspect the crowd was very high SPF.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 14, 2020, 02:04:53 AM
I think it was Steven Crowder that talked about just eliminating police unions.  I think idea was the unions were part of the system that was preventing bad cops from being fired or removed. 

I think it is a good idea as I don't think any public employees should be unionized. 

Might also help if they didn't discriminate against smart people who apply to be cops. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 14, 2020, 02:30:40 AM
De-escalation is a tactic cops are supposed to use.  Should be used more often.

I agree with night sticks.  Effective and not usually fatal, at least not as often as firearms.  But they'd need training on when to stop using the stick.  And there would need to be an effective way to insure they do stop using the stick.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 14, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
Headline:
              Wendy's restaurant at center of recent shooting burned down in mostly peaceful protest.

 ;)

 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: griz on June 14, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
Night sticks are no magic (non lethal) bullet.  Those old enough to remember Rodney King will know what I'm talking about.


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
Headline:
              Wendy's restaurant at center of recent shooting burned down in mostly peaceful protest.

 ;)

 

Peaceful means no one in the media, Fox News excluded, was attacked
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 14, 2020, 09:22:30 AM
Night sticks are no magic (non lethal) bullet.  Those old enough to remember Rodney King will know what I'm talking about.




That's my first thought everytime night sticks or batons are brought up.  There's a reason we moved away from them.

The issue is that cops go to weapons to often, and don't take proper care in their use of force.  Changing which weapon they go to doesn't fix the underlying issue.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 14, 2020, 09:55:02 AM
That's my first thought everytime night sticks or batons are brought up.  There's a reason we moved away from them.

The issue is that cops go to weapons to often, and don't take proper care in their use of force.  Changing which weapon they go to doesn't fix the underlying issue.

There are more than one "underlying issue(s)".

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 14, 2020, 09:57:04 AM
That's my first thought everytime night sticks or batons are brought up.  There's a reason we moved away from them.

The issue is that cops go to weapons to often, and don't take proper care in their use of force.  Changing which weapon they go to doesn't fix the underlying issue.

I don't know enough to give a real opinion, and none of this has ever been done to me, but I kinda think I'd rather be tased or pepper sprayed than whacked with a baton.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
Can remember my dad, who was a police office, coming home around the time of the late 60s riots with one of those big and heavy as ____ flashlights they often carried beat to hell. You could do some major damage with those things.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 14, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Can remember my dad, who was a police office, coming home around the time of the late 60s riots with one of those big and heavy as ____ flashlights they often carried beat to hell. You could do some major damage with those things.

The cops I used to work with in Houston carried the 5 C-cell Maglites.  I bought one and carried it in my car.  When leaky batteries finally ruined it I tried to get a replacement, and they don't make those anymore. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 14, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
I don't know enough to give a real opinion, and none of this has ever been done to me, but I kinda think I'd rather be tased or pepper sprayed than whacked with a baton.

Having been actual maced, pepper sprayed and tased in training, and done some decent sparring with batons, Tasing is hands down the quickest and easiest to deal with.  It hurts, and it locks you up, but it's pretty much over once they stop the juice.  Chemical sprays linger for hours, and a good beating for days or weeks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 14, 2020, 11:45:47 AM
I'll just leave this here:

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/?fbclid=IwAR3DWxw7u0JiOyn7X_7Igc3jWQ4QC49XUfzXwTLxO6bnH_fbyp6EclkF6Uw

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White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader

Most of it boils down to "gimme your money, gimme your stuff."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 11:52:04 AM
I'll just leave this here:

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/?fbclid=IwAR3DWxw7u0JiOyn7X_7Igc3jWQ4QC49XUfzXwTLxO6bnH_fbyp6EclkF6Uw

Most of it boils down to "gimme your money, gimme your stuff."


Almost three years old. Be willing to bet they have added a few more by now.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 14, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Almost three years old. Be willing to bet they had added a few more by now.

Perhaps old, but yet more proof that it's not about equality, it's about making others subservient to them. As alluded to elsewhere here, they have gone from MLK's "stand with me" to "kneel before us".

The only people you get on your side with that attitude are pansies. I'll proudly stand next to someone justly seeking freedom. I will fight someone demanding that I bend a knee.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 11:59:37 AM


My comment was directed more to the fact they've probably added some since then

As alluded to elsewhere here, they have gone from MLK's "stand with me" to "kneel before us".

Think that was me
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Devonai on June 14, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
I had to get a snootful of OC spray when I was a gate guard at my base.  I didn't have much respect for the stuff until that day.  Compared to CS gas during basic training, I'd rather deal with OC if my life was on the line.  After getting baptized with OC, I was required to wail on a guy with a padded baton for 60 seconds before cuffing him.  I did it, but all the fight was out of me after that.  In my defense, it was a rather gratuitous dose and the instructor told me to keep my eyes open.  Ouch.

As for CS gas, I was borderline incapacitated almost immediately and I barely got my chin strap on my helmet buckled.  However, recovery time was much faster compared to OC.

Though they wanted to issue us Tasers, that never came to fruition and I'm fine with that.  I know enough about it from second-hand accounts for my pleasure.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lee n. field on June 14, 2020, 12:13:41 PM
Black Love Matters.

sounds like a pornhub category
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 12:30:48 PM
The cops I used to work with in Houston carried the 5 C-cell Maglites.  I bought one and carried it in my car.  When leaky batteries finally ruined it I tried to get a replacement, and they don't make those anymore. 

Here ya go, 6 D-Cell Maglite. This thing doubles as a war club
https://www.amazon.com/Maglite-Heavy-Duty-Incandescent-4-Cell-Flashlight/dp/B000056BME?th=1
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 14, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
From a text message conversation that started about the riots and eventually made it's way to slavery and it's effects that I had with a few friends.  This was the black guy's take.

Quote from: Equanio
Yes the idea of slavery being tied to skin color was very much a new twist to it.

I think it stems from the European colonist coming from a feudal cast system defaulting to a similar system but based upon skin color. And it's an easy sell. And the poor whites liked it because where as in Europe they were the bottom of the system now in America they aren't. They can now look down on slaves and of course the"savage" Natives.

The similar situation today is in the Apologizing for your white privilege.

The person apologizing thinks that they are better than the Black, that they have a higher station in society solely because of thier skin color. A black that accepts that apology is validation of the view that the white is better than the Black.

This is a new tactic in Democrat 150-year history of controlling Blacks.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
So if whites are inherently racist and nothing can be done about it and whites are the majority of the country what options does that leave? Unless they leave that only leaves partitioning the county or whites willingly allowing themselves to be enslaved or exterminating the whites Dalek style. So far it's been mostly give me give me give me.
I just want to know what's BLM's end game in this.

I would love to see someone in the MSM ask them this point blank. Yeah I know.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 14, 2020, 02:45:05 PM
During a discussion on the phone a couple of evening ago I looked it up. Blacks are still only about 13 percent of the population of the United States, yet many liberal institutions that have blacks as 30%, 40% or 50% of their staffs are being criticized for not having "enough" blacks.

Put that in perspective: 13 percent of 8 is 1.04 so if a company with 7 employees has one black on staff ... blacks are technically over-represented. What ever happened to the apparently obsolete notion that a color-blind society meant hiring the person best qualified for the job irrespective of color?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 14, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
From a text message conversation that started about the riots and eventually made it's way to slavery and it's effects that I had with a few friends.  This was the black guy's take.



Quote from: Equanio
Yes the idea of slavery being tied to skin color was very much a new twist to it.

I think it stems from the European colonist coming from a feudal cast system defaulting to a similar system but based upon skin color. And it's an easy sell. And the poor whites liked it because where as in Europe they were the bottom of the system now in America they aren't. They can now look down on slaves and of course the"savage" Natives.

The similar situation today is in the Apologizing for your white privilege.

The person apologizing thinks that they are better than the Black, that they have a higher station in society solely because of thier skin color. A black that accepts that apology is validation of the view that the white is better than the Black.

This is a new tactic in Democrat 150-year history of controlling Blacks.

Perhaps I shouldn't contradict someone who (judging by his name) was actually there, but I think racism arose from the circumstances of the time. Europeans, for whatever reason, had made significant advances in technology, science, philosophy, and other areas than the rest of the world. Navigation was one of those areas, so they traveled around, seeing how "backward" the other "races" were, compared to them. It was an age that looked for naturalistic, scientific reasons for things, so Europeans chalked it up to the physical differences between themselves and others. It so happened that Africans were ready to offer up other Africans as slaves, so they got pegged as the slave race. And if you make it illegal to teach them anything but drudge work and housekeeping, then they also end up looking dim-witted and in need of guidance.

After a few hundred years, it's hard on both sides to come back from all that ugliness.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 14, 2020, 03:14:45 PM
What ever happened to the apparently obsolete notion that a color-blind society meant hiring the person best qualified for the job irrespective of color?

This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 03:19:05 PM
This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

MLK is spinning in his grave
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 14, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

Nonsense indeed.

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However, colorblindness alone is not sufficient to heal racial wounds on a national or personal level. It is only a half-measure that in the end operates as a form of racism.

So making a conscious effort NOT to be racist is racist. Thanks for clarifying that.

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Racism? Strong words, yes, but let's look the issue straight in its partially unseeing eye. In a colorblind society, white people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society (Fryberg, 2010).

BS. BS as soon as you see the words "white people who are unlikely to experience disadvantage due to race." Why? Because disadvantage and advantage are not predicated on race alone. There are millions of whites in this country who experience disadvantage, maybe because they don't come from wealthy families, maybe because they didn't go to the "right" schools, maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful" (enough) -- gazillions of reasons. I find it fascinating that the SJWs seem to be of two minds with regard to Hispanics/Latinos. When it suits their purpose, all Latinos/Hispanics are "people of color." But, at other times, only Black Hispanics are "people of color," and other Latinos/Hispanics are lumped in with the privileged class -- which, around here anyway, they aren't a part of.

My late wife was a Latina. She was very clear about it. She was a Latina, because she was from Latin America. She was NOT a Hispanic, because she was not from Spain. Claro?

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Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives.

There is nothing about color blindness that in any way rejects cultural heritage or invalidates anyone's perspective. Equal opportunity is equal opportunity. It has nothing to do with a person's cultural heritage or perspective. I've worked in two different offices in which the office manager was a female Native American. Both were enrolled members of their respective tribes -- they were the real deal. They knew their heritage, they had their perspective ... but they didn't wave it like a flag 24/7/365, and nobody rejected their heritage or tried to invalidate their perspective. In another office, the bookkeeper was Italian-American. I think her parents were first generation -- the family spoke Italian at home, not English. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that her parents probably experienced at least as much discrimination as most blacks in this region ever experience.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 14, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
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maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful"

I got 3 outa 4 there (and there are some that would say 4 outa 4)  :rofl:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 14, 2020, 06:39:21 PM
Here ya go, 6 D-Cell Maglite. This thing doubles as a war club
https://www.amazon.com/Maglite-Heavy-Duty-Incandescent-4-Cell-Flashlight/dp/B000056BME?th=1

Throw an LED into it too:
https://www.amazon.com/LudoPam-Maglite-Conversion-Upgrade-Flashlight/dp/B07W6V66LZ
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lee n. field on June 14, 2020, 06:43:44 PM

Perhaps I shouldn't contradict someone who (judging by his name) was actually there, but I think racism arose from the circumstances of the time. Europeans, for whatever reason, had made significant advances in technology, science, philosophy

"Guns, Germs and Steel"

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, and other areas than the rest of the world. Navigation was one of those areas, so they traveled around, seeing how "backward" the other "races" were, compared to them. It was an age that looked for naturalistic, scientific reasons for things,

Except that they would have been well aware of India, China, & Ethopia, as ancient and relatively advanced cultures.

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so Europeans chalked it up to the physical differences between themselves and others. It so happened that Africans were ready to offer up other Africans as slaves, so they got pegged as the slave race.

I think that's probably closer to it.  Sub-Saharan Africans were convenient.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lee n. field on June 14, 2020, 06:46:32 PM
BS. BS as soon as you see the words "white people who are unlikely to experience disadvantage due to race." Why? Because disadvantage and advantage are not predicated on race alone. There are millions of whites in this country who experience disadvantage, maybe because they don't come from wealthy families, maybe because they didn't go to the "right" schools, maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful" (enough) -- gazillions of reasons.

They only see skin color, and sex.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on June 14, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
Which black lives matter? There are over 1000 black ethnicities with their own cultures and language.

Which whites have privilege? There may not be 1000 white etnicities but there are a lot.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
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He points out that homicide-victimization rates for black men were 3.9 times the national average and that 52 percent of all known homicide victims were black (2017 data). He might have added that the perpetrators of these crimes were overwhelmingly African Americans. In 2018, where the homicide victim was black, the suspected killer also was 88 percent of the time. And this is not an exceptional situation. From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans. In fact, as I will demonstrate, high rates of black-on-black killing have been the norm for well over a century. But this is not an issue Abt wants to address.
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/22/the-need-to-discuss-black-on-black-crime/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 14, 2020, 07:58:23 PM
Throw an LED into it too:
https://www.amazon.com/LudoPam-Maglite-Conversion-Upgrade-Flashlight/dp/B07W6V66LZ

6D is too big and heavy.  4D is the right length but too bulky.  5C was perfect.  (Mag sent me a 4C replacement, but it's a little too short)  And they are not that great as flashlights.  So I carry a little LED flashlight with lithium batteries that turns night into day.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: lee n. field on June 14, 2020, 08:08:59 PM
Which black lives matter? There are over 1000 black ethnicities with their own cultures and language.

Which whites have privilege? There may not be 1000 white etnicities but there are a lot.



"Or do we all look alike to you?"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 14, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
My brainwashed far left cousin insists that Trump and the federal government is planting rioters in Antifa and the protests to frame the left for a crackdown

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on June 15, 2020, 12:00:18 AM
Black woman wonders if her life matters (https://youtu.be/2JgQnk___mU)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
My brainwashed far left cousin insists that Trump and the federal government is planting rioters in Antifa and the protests to frame the left for a crackdown



CNN: Totally true
Snopes: Mostly true
Bill Clinton: I did not have sex with that woman
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: griz on June 15, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

I wonder if she respects Dr. King's work even though she disagrees with his goal?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
I wonder if she respects Dr. King's work even though she disagrees with his goal?

Be willing to bet money that if you quoted some of MLK's speeches without telling her who said it she would label much of it racist. You know, crazy things like judging people by their character and not by the color of their skin and blacks and whites standing together. Then when you told her who said it she would call you racist for quoting it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2020, 10:23:28 AM
That's my first thought everytime night sticks or batons are brought up.  There's a reason we moved away from them.

The issue is that cops go to weapons to often, and don't take proper care in their use of force.  Changing which weapon they go to doesn't fix the underlying issue.
I bring up batons or sticks because everyone seems to get upset that cops go to guns too quickly.  How many less lethal options can we give them?  They all require training and discretion in their use.  Even hands on tactics (jiu jitsu) that some people recommend still require good judgement.  

The biggest problem I have on the other side is all this is encouraging suspects to wrestle and fight with police.  You can argue that the guy in Atlanta shouldn't have been shot when pointing a taser back at police, but that was after a few minutes of fighting already happened.  It sure seems the consequences of doing this don't scare the suspects too much.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2020, 10:55:18 AM
What percentage of blacks involved in police shootings were/are career criminals and/or have extensive records? Whites?
In Non police shootings?

Safe to say not being a criminal greatly reduces your chance of being shot by a police officer or otherwise.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Apparently trying to protect a statue makes you a "white vigilante"

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/14/unicorn-riots-pearl-clutching-thread-on-racist-white-vigilantes-in-south-philly-protecting-columbus-statue-accidentally-hilarious/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 15, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
Relevant to our discussions on Qualified Immunity:

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/876853817/supreme-court-will-not-re-examine-doctrine-that-shields-police-in-misconduct-sui


I suspect we will need carefully crafted, narrow legislation that then survives a court challenge to see any real reform on this issue.

Sadly, carefully crafted narrow legislation doesn't seem to be in our legislature's wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 15, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
I bring up batons or sticks because everyone seems to get upset that cops go to guns too quickly.  How many less lethal options can we give them?  They all require training and discretion in their use.  Even hands on tactics (jiu jitsu) that some people recommend still require good judgement.  

The biggest problem I have on the other side is all this is encouraging suspects to wrestle and fight with police.  You can argue that the guy in Atlanta shouldn't have been shot when pointing a taser back at police, but that was after a few minutes of fighting already happened.  It sure seems the consequences of doing this don't scare the suspects too much.

Only Joe Biden can solve the dilemma.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2020, 04:13:14 PM
More of who the looters hurt:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1272516778107813890
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 16, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
"Don't whine when people ask you what you're blathering about. Which incident in St. Louis are you talking about? "

I'll say again, more googling, less bitching and stop being a lazy prat. If you do a little of your own work I'm sure you can figure out a way to turn it into an abortion debate.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 16, 2020, 09:55:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23DiBIHw1g
Defund the Police Unions - John Stossel


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: AJ Dual on June 16, 2020, 10:17:05 AM
There shouldn't be any .gov unions IMO. Because a union organizes itself as an adversarial entity against it's employer, and the employer is the people.

Hell, even lefty, statist, and collectivist FDR thought .gov unions was an insane idea.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 10:25:39 AM
Start with the postal unions. They're screaming give us more money or we're all going to die again.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 16, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
"Don't whine when people ask you what you're blathering about. Which incident in St. Louis are you talking about? "

I'll say again, more googling, less bitching and stop being a lazy prat. If you do a little of your own work I'm sure you can figure out a way to turn it into an abortion debate.

Thanks. Super-productive discussion.  =)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 11:25:36 AM
Start with the postal unions. They're screaming give us more money or we're all going to die again.

Speaking of which, wrong mail (wrong street) in my mailbox for the 2nd day in a row.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: BobR on June 16, 2020, 12:29:58 PM
Speaking of which, wrong mail (wrong street) in my mailbox for the 2nd day in a row.

I consider it an anomaly when I don't get the wrong mail. I wonder where mine is going?

bob
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 16, 2020, 06:02:38 PM
So Gandhi is a racist now?!?

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Everyone’s been vandalized, from Winston Churchill to Mahatma Gandhi to Christopher Columbus — even some famous abolitionists have had their statues vandalized. In Portland, vandals proved the taking down of statues isn’t going to stop with Thomas Jefferson, whose statue was toppled the other day.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/16/video-shows-moment-vandals-in-portland-pulled-down-the-statue-of-thomas-jefferson-there/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 06:24:20 PM
So Gandhi is a racist now?!?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/16/video-shows-moment-vandals-in-portland-pulled-down-the-statue-of-thomas-jefferson-there/

Lets just say he didn't think too highly of blacks

Gandhi Is Deeply Revered, But His Attitudes On Race And Sex Are Under Scrutiny
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/766083651/gandhi-is-deeply-revered-but-his-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny

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Last year, a Gandhi statue was removed from a university campus in Ghana. Activists there and in Malawi are using the hashtag #GandhiMustFall. They're angry about his early writings.

In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
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"Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
2018

'Racist' Gandhi statue removed from University of Ghana
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46552614
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
I'm just surprised the soytards here would be aware of that. Either that or they don't give a hoot who the statue is of.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 16, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
 ;/

Ghandi is honored for his non-violent resistance and nationalism, not his racism.

Columbus is honored for discovering (yes, discovering) the New World, not for any real or pretended offenses to the natives.

MLK is honored for his civil rights leadership, not his womanizing.

Washington, Jefferson, et al, are honored for promoting human rights and liberty, not for owning slaves.

Thanksgiving Day honors God and remembers those who set a good example of pious thankfulness toward Him. It has nothing to do with maltreatment of native peoples.

And if we're going to take down the statues, it is absolutely shameful to do so because race-rioting thug mobs are threatening to burn down the dollar store. Letting ourselves be ruled by know-nothing thugs is obviously much worse than if we had statues to Nathan Bedford Forrest in every square.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 16, 2020, 06:47:22 PM
Never expect rationality from a mob especially when it's made up of people who weren't rational to begin with
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 16, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
Never expect rationality from a mob especially when it's made up of people who weren't rational to begin with

They're as rational as the ivory towers these anti-civilization ideas came from.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:09:14 AM
I'm just surprised the soytards here would be aware of that. Either that or they don't give a hoot who the statue is of.
I think a few may know, but I bet most of them have no idea who the statue is supposed to be. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
I think a few may know, but I bet most of them have no idea who the statue is supposed to be. 


You can’t always know who’s a useful idiot, and who just wants to push dezinformatsiya. A few days ago I came across a tweet like so:

“Republicans love 2nd place. Civil War, they wave Confederate Flags. WWII, they wave NAZI flags.” Sincere or cynical? You be the judge.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 10:28:21 AM

You can’t always know who’s a useful idiot, and who just wants to push dezinformatsiya. A few days ago I came across a tweet like so:

“Republicans love 2nd place. Civil War, they wave Confederate Flags. WWII, they wave NAZI flags.” Sincere or cynical? You be the judge.


Is it me or have delusions like this gotten more prevalent since they legalized marijuana in many states?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2020, 10:49:51 AM

Thanksgiving Day honors God and remembers those who set a good example of pious thankfulness toward Him. It has nothing to do with maltreatment of native peoples.


Sez you.

I think I've posted in at least one other thread that in my wife's native country (Latin America), they are taught that the Pilgrims started Thanksgiving in order to celebrate killing off the natives. I learned this when I overheard a government lawyer "explaining" this to a government social worker in adoption court.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 17, 2020, 11:09:59 AM

You can’t always know who’s a useful idiot, and who just wants to push dezinformatsiya. A few days ago I came across a tweet like so:

“Republicans love 2nd place. Civil War, they wave Confederate Flags. WWII, they wave NAZI flags.” Sincere or cynical? You be the judge.


It's poorly stated, but a good observation.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 11:10:55 AM
Sez you.

I think I've posted in at least one other thread that in my wife's native country (Latin America), they are taught that the Pilgrims started Thanksgiving in order to celebrate killing off the natives. I learned this when I overheard a government lawyer "explaining" this to a government social worker in adoption court.

According to some people I know, who adopted a baby in Latin America, some of the tribesfolk down there have nothing but suspicion for norteamericanos' motives. They believe we adopt their kids so we can literally eat them.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 17, 2020, 11:15:41 AM
Sez you.

I think I've posted in at least one other thread that in my wife's native country (Latin America), they are taught that the Pilgrims started Thanksgiving in order to celebrate killing off the natives. I learned this when I overheard a government lawyer "explaining" this to a government social worker in adoption court.

Well, that's certainly something else...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
Sez you.

I think I've posted in at least one other thread that in my wife's native country (Latin America), they are taught that the Pilgrims started Thanksgiving in order to celebrate killing off the natives. I learned this when I overheard a government lawyer "explaining" this to a government social worker in adoption court.

That's what has been taught in many US schools for some time now. Remember them trying to push some of that stuff on us in the 70s
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on June 17, 2020, 11:18:40 AM
That's what has been taught in many US schools for some time now

I'm not sure if you're joking, but students are basically taught to hate everything about our country.

And are taught absolutely nothing about other countries so they are never able to realize that all the bad things about our country were far worse everywhere else.

At one time, it was understandable to try to give children perspective that our country isn't perfect. Now they're just taught our country isn't and has never been any good.

I'm shocked ANY young people still love this country.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 11:24:42 AM
I'm not sure if you're joking, but students are basically taught to hate everything about our country.


No joke, I was too slow with my added edited in comment that I remember them pushing this stuff in the 70s

Daughter recently completed HS, well 4 years ago, and many of the books and papers she brought home made me shake my head. Thankfully I taught her to question just about everything they taught and do her own research.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
Basically US history went as follows

Peaceful American natives living in harmony with nature
Here comes Columbus looking for slaves
Genocide
Slavery
More genocide
Something about a revolution started by slave owners
More slavery
Genocide
Something about a war over ownership of blacks
More genocide
lynchings
US nukes innocent civilians because of race
lynchings
Civil rights movement/dems free the blacks
Free at last, free at last. Oh wait more racism than ever before





Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
Civil rights movement/dems free the blacks
Free at last, free at last. Oh wait more racism than ever before

Yup. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
Did you know that the Americas were stolen from blacks? They were here first.
Actually had a guy try to educate me on this.

http://raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ancientamerica.htm

Yes there could have been early contact between Native Americans and Africa blacks, it's not that far, but this is where it really gets super wacked out

He even went on about how the slave trade and Native (Indian) wars is a lie invented to cover up the white near genocide of the rightful black owners of the Americas and white people need give it back and get the blank out. Oh, and leave all your "stolen" wealth while you're at it.
I remember finding articles on the internet about this but have since lost track and honesty I don't feel at the moment like looking them up again but it's a real movement
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 12:56:48 PM
And it wasn't only whites doing this
China and all of Chinese civilization including every single Chinese invention was stolen from blacks
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/17/the-rayshard-brooks-case-is-not-another-george-floyd-incident/

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Attorney L. Chris Stewart stated, “People ask, ‘Why would (Brooks) resist if they’re trying to put him in handcuffs?’ Well, they put George Floyd in handcuffs, and he was subsequently killed. So just getting put in handcuffs — if you’re African American — doesn’t  mean you’re going to be nicely taken to the back of a police car.”

How'd that work out for Brooks? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 17, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/17/the-rayshard-brooks-case-is-not-another-george-floyd-incident/

How'd that work out for Brooks? :rolleyes:

It appears the officer who shot Brooks is up for felony murder. I'm not sure how that will work out. At this point, it seems like cops could almost use all the cop hate and politicians going way overboard to appease the masses with the racism stuff, as a defense. Then once again, we skirt the original issue as well as ways to sensibly resolve it.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/17/da-will-charge-atlanta-police-officer-who-shot-rayshard-brooks-with-felony-murder-and-10-other-charges/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 17, 2020, 06:23:34 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431699/Black-Lives-Matter-protest-80-people-tiny-Ohio-town-overrun-700-armed-counterprotesters.html?ito=rss-flipboard

This needs to happen more often
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 07:22:53 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431699/Black-Lives-Matter-protest-80-people-tiny-Ohio-town-overrun-700-armed-counterprotesters.html?ito=rss-flipboard

This needs to happen more often

The article doesn't paint a rosy picture, for what the Mail's coverage is worth. It would be good if BLM was outnumbered so heavily everywhere they went.

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A staggering 97 percent of Bethel residents are white...

Staggering? Really?  ???
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on June 17, 2020, 07:30:33 PM
And it wasn't only whites doing this
China and all of Chinese civilization including every single Chinese invention was stolen from blacks

I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to remind us that it's even called Black Powder, invented in China.  And to some old time BP shooters, it's sometimes even called King Black.

Not enough coffee this morning?  Black, I take it.

:rofl:

Terry
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 17, 2020, 07:40:38 PM
The article doesn't paint a rosy picture, for what the Mail's coverage is worth. It would be good if BLM was outnumbered so heavily everywhere they went.


I'm at the point I really don't care. The MSM bias has gotten so bad that the city can be burning around them, there are things thrown at them, their camera is stolen while they are on the air, and they still call it a "peaceful protest"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 07:44:58 PM
You killed Aunt Jemima, you bastards!
They're pulling the brand.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 17, 2020, 08:57:48 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/herschel-walker-defund-the-police-offer

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Former NFL running back Herschel Walker offered to work with airlines to send people who want to defund the police to countries without them.

Walker, who played 12 years in the NFL, took his thoughts to Twitter in response to people who want to eliminate police departments across the United States.

“I have an idea… For all these people who don’t want any police, I’d love to meet with American Airlines, Delta, and Southwest and make a deal to fly them to countries that don’t have police. I want them to be happy!” Walker wrote.

Nice.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: BobR on June 17, 2020, 09:07:02 PM
You killed Aunt Jemima, you bastards!
They're pulling the brand.

Uncle Ben's will be next.

Do you think they will rename Cracker Jack to Caucasian Jack?


bob
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 17, 2020, 09:15:40 PM
Do you think they will rename Cracker Jack to Caucasian Jack?

Naw.  Offending white people is still OK, even encouraged.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 17, 2020, 09:16:04 PM
Uncle Ben's will be next.

Do you think they will rename Cracker Jack to Caucasian Jack?


bob

You mean they haven't already?
https://babylonbee.com/news/cracker-jacks-changes-name-to-more-politically-correct-caucasian-jacks
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 17, 2020, 09:18:58 PM
Uncle Ben's will be next.

Do you think they will rename Cracker Jack to Caucasian Jack?


bob


We had a guy at work last year. Pure white trailer trash. He even had the mullet. More often than not he wore a sweatshirt that said "Super Cracker"
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on June 17, 2020, 09:27:53 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431699/Black-Lives-Matter-protest-80-people-tiny-Ohio-town-overrun-700-armed-counterprotesters.html?ito=rss-flipboard

This needs to happen more often

This is an hour from me.  Bethel is in a very red county.  The funny thing I’ve seen is that a large majority of the BLM protesters are white.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2020, 09:44:55 PM
You killed Aunt Jemima, you bastards!
They're pulling the brand.
Does it make me racist if I say I prefer Mrs. Buttersworth syrup?     =D
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2020, 09:47:59 PM
Does it make me racist if I say I prefer Mrs. Buttersworth syrup?     =D

Are you white? If so then yes, anything you do is racist
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 17, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
This is an hour from me.  Bethel is in a very red county.  The funny thing I’ve seen is that a large majority of the BLM protesters are white.

I'd say that's more tragic than funny.   :'(
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2020, 10:25:41 PM
I never knew I was supposed to see Aunt Jemima as a slave or a stereotype. I thought she was just a friendly woman from the 1800s, who wore 19th-century clothes, and made a mean pancake. Now I learn she's supposed to be a slave or a "Mammy," something of which most whites and blacks have little memory.

Some years ago, she got an update, so she looks like a very classy aunty indeed. The old stereotype, if that's what it was, was discarded. Just the name and the pancakes remain. Are Biblical names racist, now? But, despite what she's managed to make of herself, she's cancelled. How does that make sense? It doesn't. Does this help black people? It doesn't.

She apparently came from a minstrel song written by a black man, and despite now having a more respectable image than most white women (does your old lady wear pearls in the kitchen?), she's somehow holding black people back. Well, isn't that a bit like the way black America came from slave ships, and now count billionaires and beloved celebrities and a top TV talk show host, and a president among their ranks? I guess Barack Obama and Oprah and Michael Jordan should be cancelled then.


This is an hour from me.  Bethel is in a very red county.  The funny thing I’ve seen is that a large majority of the BLM protesters are white.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpO3_2yBd2U
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 17, 2020, 10:47:16 PM
I always saw her as a good cook.

I worked downtown KCK and KCMO for years the older black ladies could cook and they had respect from me and to me.

The last 15 years has had some low points that may be hard to come back from the lies.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 18, 2020, 12:57:59 AM
This "Qualified Immunity" thing sounds a lot like "ignorance is Strength". It basically ensures that the more mentally defective the cop, the less likely he is to be punished? "If I did not think that what I was doing was wrong,  I am not accountable for anything I did".

If your job requires you to break the Law, or if you can't do your job without breaking the Law, there is something very wrong with either your job or you. If you provide exceptions to the Law for some people , you are enabling Lawlessness. There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on here with the entire justice system and the effects are coming home to roost.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 18, 2020, 07:43:41 AM
I always saw her as a good cook.

I worked downtown KCK and KCMO for years the older black ladies could cook and they had respect from me and to me.

The last 15 years has had some low points that may be hard to come back from the lies.

What was it they (AOC maybe?) said about wrong math? That's it's not wrong if it's morally correct.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
This "Qualified Immunity" thing sounds a lot like "ignorance is Strength". It basically ensures that the more mentally defective the cop, the less likely he is to be punished? "If I did not think that what I was doing was wrong,  I am not accountable for anything I did".

If your job requires you to break the Law, or if you can't do your job without breaking the Law, there is something very wrong with either your job or you. If you provide exceptions to the Law for some people , you are enabling Lawlessness. There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on here with the entire justice system and the effects are coming home to roost.
Okay, so a couple questions to educate myself.  I heard qualified immunity was a fairly new thing in the last 50 years or so.  Just curious why that was added, what they did before that, and what events brought it on.

1.  What did courts/judges do with cases where police officers were sued (civil court)?  Were they thrown out or just required to have a high burden of proof?  Anyone know how often that happened? 

2.  How did that happen in criminal court?  Were cops ever prosecuted for excessive use of force?  Or were they just fired?

On #1 above, there are so many well funded groups these days that would actively try to use the courts to destroy officers involved in any high profile incident.  It wouldn't matter if the case had any merit.  If the judge didn't immediately throw it out, even local police unions could be bankrupted.  Qualified immunity may not be the answer, but it would seem to me that some sort of protection is needed  Maybe that something should involve overhauling the judicial system, but that is more of a stretch than removing qualified immunity. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 18, 2020, 01:16:09 PM
This explains it a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIKab8Ea2Us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoPUWGc1WY
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: JN01 on June 18, 2020, 04:49:41 PM

On #1 above, there are so many well funded groups these days that would actively try to use the courts to destroy officers involved in any high profile incident.  It wouldn't matter if the case had any merit.  If the judge didn't immediately throw it out, even local police unions could be bankrupted.  Qualified immunity may not be the answer, but it would seem to me that some sort of protection is needed  Maybe that something should involve overhauling the judicial system, but that is more of a stretch than removing qualified immunity. 

I was thinking the same thing.  It wouldn't have to be a high profile incident.  They could bombard the court system with lawsuits in the manner that the left was beginning to do to bankrupt the gun industry several years ago, prior to Congress stepping in and protecting them with legislation.  Taxpayers would be stuck paying the legal fees for the frivolous suits, as the department would likely be named as well as the officer.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on June 18, 2020, 09:46:09 PM
Did you know that the Americas were stolen from blacks? They were here first.
Actually had a guy try to educate me on this.

http://raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ancientamerica.htm

Yes there could have been early contact between Native Americans and Africa blacks, it's not that far, but this is where it really gets super wacked out

He even went on about how the slave trade and Native (Indian) wars is a lie invented to cover up the white near genocide of the rightful black owners of the Americas and white people need give it back and get the blank out. Oh, and leave all your "stolen" wealth while you're at it.
I remember finding articles on the internet about this but have since lost track and honesty I don't feel at the moment like looking them up again but it's a real movement

DAS RIGHT!

You don't know the half of it man,  but you will.  ALL of history was stolen from the blacks.  And the black Israelites are here to tell you about it.  The wuz Kangz after all....

https://youtu.be/WDzPwnctqLM
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 19, 2020, 01:30:55 AM
DAS RIGHT!

You don't know the half of it man,  but you will.  ALL of history was stolen from the blacks.  And the black Israelites are here to tell you about it.  The wuz Kangz after all....

https://youtu.be/WDzPwnctqLM

Kang Saul, man!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 19, 2020, 09:07:08 AM
I am hearing the Atlanta DA is up for reelection, under investigation by the GBI for corruption, and I think there was something else.  And I am hearing it was unusual for him to present all the evidence in a press conference before this even goes before a grand jury.  Also, 2 weeks before, I hear he was pressing charges on 6 officers who pointed a taser at a lady and was accusing the officers of threatening her with a deadly weapon.  At the time he said Georgia law says a taser is a deadly weapon (that is on video and is spreading around on the internet).  He also claimed one of the officers was cooperating as a state's witness.  The lawyer for that officer came out and said that wasn't true.  

So lots of inconsistent stuff and other things that make me think this is all a show.  In the meantime, he is persecuting the officers in the media.  He is trying to make a name for himself by prosecuting cops because he is set to lose his election.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 19, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
Meanwhile in Portland

Portland: George Washington Statue Torn Down, Draped in Burning U.S. Flag
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/19/portland-george-washington-statue-torn-down-draped-in-burning-u-s-flag/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 19, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
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"For me it is a very black and white issue. For me it's very good versus evil," Argo said. "I feel like we are in a civil war in Louisville Kentucky right now that's what I feel I am a part of."

Protesters at Jefferson Square Park say they are protecting Breonna Taylor’s memorial
https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/19/protesters-jefferson-square-park-say-they-are-protecting-breonna-taylors-memorial/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 19, 2020, 04:29:23 PM
Protesters at Jefferson Square Park say they are protecting Breonna Taylor’s memorial
https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/19/protesters-jefferson-square-park-say-they-are-protecting-breonna-taylors-memorial/

That link led me to this one: https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/19/brett-hankison-louisville-detective-involved-breonna-taylor-killing-will-be-fired/

Did we really need yet another poster child case to show why no-knock warrants should not be issued for drug investigations? It's a bleepin' SEARCH warrant, not an arrest warrant. The police should not be breaking down doors in the middle of the night to "serve" search warrants.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 19, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
That link led me to this one: https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/19/brett-hankison-louisville-detective-involved-breonna-taylor-killing-will-be-fired/

Did we really need yet another poster child case to show why no-knock warrants should not be issued for drug investigations? It's a bleepin' SEARCH warrant, not an arrest warrant. The police should not be breaking down doors in the middle of the night to "serve" search warrants.

My problem is that once again, this takes an issue that can affect anyone and makes it only about black people. I wouldn't be surprised if there were WAY more no knocks on white people than on black people. An issue that everyone could come together on and maybe do some good for everyone, and we're back to "racial justice" instead of fixing what is broken.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 19, 2020, 05:51:01 PM
My problem is that once again, this takes an issue that can affect anyone and makes it only about black people. I wouldn't be surprised if there were WAY more no knocks on white people than on black people. An issue that everyone could come together on and maybe do some good for everyone, and we're back to "racial justice" instead of fixing what is broken.

But it seems to only be an issue to the MSM and pols when it's white cops vs blacks. When was the last time you heard any media outrage for the police killing of a white man despite the fact it actually happens more often. Why is one more wrong than the other? Why is the cop seemingly only bad when they're white? Why is the "victim" seemingly only innocent when they're black? Victim is in quotes because it seems like 99% they're the ones who started the confrontation and all too often they had a long as my arm arrest record.

Yes there are bad cops but I'm sick and tired of feeling a ping pong ball in a political game by the media and pols  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 19, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
Then you also realize that firing the officer involved in the shooting doesn't fix anything.  It just means that one officer won't be serving the next no knock warrant search warrant.  Others will.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 19, 2020, 06:03:38 PM
Then you also realize that firing the officer involved in the shooting doesn't fix anything.  It just means that one officer won't be serving the next no knock warrant search warrant.  Others will.

In typical politician fashion they keep offering peasants to the wolves in the hope they get satisfied before they get to them.
Some may refer to that as appeasement


Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 19, 2020, 06:05:22 PM
But it seems to only be an issue to the MSM and pols when it's white cops vs blacks. When was the last time you heard any media outrage for the police killing of a white man despite the fact it actually happens more often. Why is one more wrong than the other? Why is the cop seemingly only bad when they're white? Why is the "victim" seemingly only innocent when they're black? Victim is in quotes because it seems like 99% they're the ones who started the confrontation and all too often they had a long as my arm arrest record.

Yes there are bad cops but I'm sick and tired of feeling a ping pong ball in a political game by the media and pols  

One of the Minneapolis cops was black.  I didn't know that until a coworker pointed it out to me.  (from the pics I thought he might be Arab or something) He was one of the two rookies.  The media is mostly covering up that factoid.  It also seems that the MPD brass is pairing up rookies with known bad cops; I guess to teach them the ropes.  If Mpls city council really does disband the police, I'm not sure the resulting chaos will be any worse than what they have now.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 19, 2020, 06:11:44 PM
One of the Minneapolis cops was black.  I didn't know that until a coworker pointed it out to me.  (from the pics I thought he might be Arab or something) He was one of the two rookies.  The media is mostly covering up that factoid.  It also seems that the MPD brass is pairing up rookies with known bad cops; I guess to teach them the ropes.  If Mpls city council really does disband the police, I'm not sure the resulting chaos will be any worse than what they have now.

If it goes against the narrative it never happened
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 19, 2020, 06:24:09 PM
This explains it a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIKab8Ea2Us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoPUWGc1WY

Looks like Colorado took the Cato Institute's advice:
https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/colorados-progressive-governor-and-legislature-just-ended-qualified-immunity-for-police-officers/

Quote
Colorado Governor Jared Polis (D), a progressive, signed an omnibus reform bill into law on Friday to end qualified immunity for police officers in the state.

“This is a long overdue moment of national reflection,” Polis said at the signing ceremony. “This is a meaningful, substantial reform bill.”

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 19, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
But it seems to only be an issue to the MSM and pols when it's white cops vs blacks. When was the last time you heard any media outrage for the police killing of a white man despite the fact it actually happens more often. Why is one more wrong than the other? Why is the cop seemingly only bad when they're white? Why is the "victim" seemingly only innocent when they're black? Victim is in quotes because it seems like 99% they're the ones who started the confrontation and all too often they had a long as my arm arrest record.

Yes there are bad cops but I'm sick and tired of feeling a ping pong ball in a political game by the media and pols  


If I remember right, minority police (including black police) have been involved in a number of these incidents. The Left doesn't care what color the officers are, probably because it can only complicate their fictional narrative. Also:

Quote
“She’s a cop. She was a top cop at an extremely brutal police department. She was a vocal supporter of brutal actions by police,” said Hawk Newsome, who co-founded BLM’s Greater New York chapter with his sister, congressional candidate Chivona Newsome.

“We are working to abolish police. We are working to defund police,” Hawk said in a phone interview. “When you are a police officer, you are not black anymore. You are blue.” 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/503492-former-cop-demings-faces-progressive-pushback-in-veepstakes

https://genius.com/Krs-one-black-cop-lyrics
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 19, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
Quote
“When you are a police officer, you are not black anymore. You are blue.”

He's got a point.

I don't think abolishing the police is the answer.  It might be in a few jurisdictions.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 19, 2020, 07:11:40 PM
Yeah i think it was last week I saw a story that said officers of color where more likoto shoot a poc then a white cop. I'm sure it is buried in the google search because it sure wasn't on the evening news
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 20, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Rioters in California tear down a statue of infamous white supremacist Ulysses S. Grant:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/rioters-in-california-tear-down-statue-of-ulysses-s-grant-he-defeated-the-confederacy-devastated-kkk?

I'm guessing at this point they're just going after any statue of a white guy.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 20, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
Rioters in California tear down a statue of infamous white supremacist Ulysses S. Grant:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/rioters-in-california-tear-down-statue-of-ulysses-s-grant-he-defeated-the-confederacy-devastated-kkk?

I'm guessing at this point they're just going after any statue of a white guy.


Like that wasn't the intent from the start.


We are watching historical revision in progress.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 20, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
And why Lenin statues are safe:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/20/charlotte-clymer-gives-reasons-vladimir-lenin-statue-in-seattle-hasnt-been-vandalized-for-starters-its-on-private-property-and-lenin-was-not-a-slave-owner/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 20, 2020, 06:09:06 PM
Yeah i think it was last week I saw a story that said officers of color where more likoto shoot a poc then a white cop. I'm sure it is buried in the google search because it sure wasn't on the evening news


"poc"

Please don't.  ;/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 20, 2020, 06:18:50 PM
And why Lenin statues are safe:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/20/charlotte-clymer-gives-reasons-vladimir-lenin-statue-in-seattle-hasnt-been-vandalized-for-starters-its-on-private-property-and-lenin-was-not-a-slave-owner/

A Lenin statue on private property. Oh the irony  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 20, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-man-standing-on-roof-overlooking-robert-e-lee-monument-in-richmond-arrested-for-trespassing
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 20, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
It's VIP but you get the gist from the title

New York Times’ 1619 Project creator says ‘It would be an honor’ to call the George Floyd riots the 1619 riots
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/20/new-york-times-1619-project-creator-says-it-would-be-an-honor-to-call-the-george-floyd-riots-the-1619-riots/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 21, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
Good question in the comments: How does NPR know the driver is "right wing"? If I were in that situation, right wing or no, I'd absolutely use my car as a weapon. As another person mentioned, some people remember Reginald Denny. NPR is the worst.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/21/the-photo-npr-used-of-right-wing-extremists-ramming-protesters-actually-resulted-in-the-protesters-getting-arrested-not-the-driver/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 21, 2020, 05:47:58 PM
Good question in the comments: How does NPR know the driver is "right wing"? If I were in that situation, right wing or no, I'd absolutely use my car as a weapon. As another person mentioned, some people remember Reginald Denny. NPR is the worst.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/21/the-photo-npr-used-of-right-wing-extremists-ramming-protesters-actually-resulted-in-the-protesters-getting-arrested-not-the-driver/

Nonsense & Propaganda Radio
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 21, 2020, 05:52:43 PM
Good question in the comments: How does NPR know the driver is "right wing"?

He did something against someone doing something
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 21, 2020, 10:15:03 PM
Good question in the comments: How does NPR know the driver is "right wing"? If I were in that situation, right wing or no, I'd absolutely use my car as a weapon. As another person mentioned, some people remember Reginald Denny. NPR is the worst.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/21/the-photo-npr-used-of-right-wing-extremists-ramming-protesters-actually-resulted-in-the-protesters-getting-arrested-not-the-driver/


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The driver, whose name was redacted in the report, told police that protesters surrounded her car and “a verbal altercation occurred after which the protesters began to reach into her car, scratching her vehicle window … and assaulting her, pulling her hair (pulling out a dreadlock).”

You can tell it was a right-winger. They always have those fashy dreadlock hair-dos.

In the video, the woman tries to back up to get away from the protestors. Twice. They just followed her, and kept assaulting her. So she drove forward, and flipped a guy over, and presumably got away safely. Stupid NPR.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 21, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Good question in the comments: How does NPR know the driver is "right wing"? If I were in that situation, right wing or no, I'd absolutely use my car as a weapon. As another person mentioned, some people remember Reginald Denny. NPR is the worst.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/21/the-photo-npr-used-of-right-wing-extremists-ramming-protesters-actually-resulted-in-the-protesters-getting-arrested-not-the-driver/

NPR's tweet has been memory-holed.

(https://i.imgflip.com/45x0y2.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 04:24:36 AM
I'm a little late on this one but I just had to say something.

Citation from bedlamite:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431699/Black-Lives-Matter-protest-80-people-tiny-Ohio-town-overrun-700-armed-counterprotesters.html?ito=rss-flipboard

"A staggering 97 percent of Bethel residents are white and just 13 black people live there, according to US Census estimates."

By RACHEL SHARP FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

"Staggering?"  Your prejudice is showing, dearie.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 22, 2020, 10:01:00 AM
Some more background on the "right wing drivers" incidents:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/22/journalism-is-dead-part-9999-receipt-filled-thread-details-what-really-happened-in-louisville-with-driver-who-allegedly-struck-protester/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 22, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
Some more background on the "right wing drivers" incidents:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/22/journalism-is-dead-part-9999-receipt-filled-thread-details-what-really-happened-in-louisville-with-driver-who-allegedly-struck-protester/

Local news for me
It was a black woman who got in an argument with a protester  :facepalm:

As to the claim that WLKY purposely omitted part of the video my understanding is that there are two videos, the one they had at the time started after the confrontation had stated and that they didn't have the second one taken by another individual showing the initial confrontation until later.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 22, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
Someone posted this in a forum

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/e1368f58a73e6a0c00a51df96f264330.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 22, 2020, 07:38:31 PM
I'm immediately suspicious.   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on June 22, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
I'm immediately suspicious.   [tinfoil]

Glowinthedarks..
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 22, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
Probably the same doofus who predicted the Hell's Angels and Mongols were going to team up and destroy CHOP in Seattle.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 22, 2020, 10:48:00 PM
Probably the same doofus who predicted the Hell's Angels and Mongols were going to team up and destroy CHOP in Seattle.


I'd kinda like to see a Mongol horde take out the CHAZ.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Fly320s on June 23, 2020, 07:16:04 AM
I'd kinda like to see a Mongol horde take out the CHAZ.

You only need one Mongol to take out the CHAZ/CHOP. 

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 23, 2020, 08:35:37 AM
You only need one Mongol to take out the CHAZ/CHOP. 



Or maybe a Mongol band.

https://youtu.be/jM8dCGIm6yc
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 23, 2020, 08:43:08 AM
Looks like Trump is the first leader, fed, state, or local, to drop the hammer regarding destruction of historical monuments. It will be interesting to see if there is a drop in the destruction of monuments on Federal property vs those in other areas.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/23/there-are-dozens-of-rioters-on-camera-from-lafayette-park-last-night-and-president-trump-just-authorized-their-arrest/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: 230RN on June 23, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
I hope they didn't cover their tats. :)

May be an interesting experiment/demonstration of facial/somatic recognition technology.  Kind of interesting in that most of the mobsters throughout this mish-mosh were not wearing masks.  Maybe we should encourage that.
 [popcorn]

Hmmmm... popcorn... hmmmm.

Terry
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 24, 2020, 10:06:47 PM
Look out, BLM.  The U.S. Marshals are on their way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-marshals-told-to-prepare-to-help-protect-monuments-nationwide-as-trump-targets-people-who-vandalize-structures-during-protests/2020/06/24/08588004-b67d-11ea-a8da-693df3d7674a_story.html

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U.S. Marshals have been told they should prepare to help protect national monuments across the country, according to an email directive viewed by The Washington Post, as President Trump has vowed stern punishment for those who vandalize or destroy such structures as part of police violence protests.

(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11200000/Raylan-Givens-justified-11261959-495-653.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2020, 01:26:22 PM
Seems like black people would be getting sick of these white people:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1276181752361431040
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
These white liberals are nuts:

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Another resident, Mitchell Erickson, said he regretted calling 911 when two black teenagers cornered him a block away from his home, held a gun to his chest and demanded his car keys. Erickson said he mistakenly handed over his house keys, and the frustrated teens left him only to steal another car a few blocks away.

“Been thinking more about it,” Erickson said in a text message to a reporter. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.”

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-powderhorn-park-neighborhood-progressive-sworn-off-police-911-george-floyd
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 25, 2020, 03:17:07 PM
These white liberals are nuts:

Quote
Another resident, Mitchell Erickson, said he regretted calling 911 when two black teenagers cornered him a block away from his home, held a gun to his chest and demanded his car keys. Erickson said he mistakenly handed over his house keys, and the frustrated teens left him only to steal another car a few blocks away.

“Been thinking more about it,” Erickson said in a text message to a reporter. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.”

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-powderhorn-park-neighborhood-progressive-sworn-off-police-911-george-floyd

I try, but I just can't understand how someone can have that experience and not want to defend themselves in some manner - even if it's only calling the police.  I wonder if doubt he even thought about the (probable) later theft and how it may have impacted someone else.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-powderhorn-park-neighborhood-progressive-sworn-off-police-911-george-floyd


I try, but I just can't understand how someone can have that experience and not want to defend themselves in some manner - even if it's only calling the police.  I wonder if doubt he even thought about the (probable) later theft and how it may have impacted someone else.

If the thieves went to the next victim and shot them, someone like this guy would find a way to blame that victim for being shot.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 25, 2020, 05:31:03 PM
If the thieves went to the next victim and shot them, someone like this guy would find a way to blame that victim for being shot.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Cliffh on June 25, 2020, 07:11:02 PM
And then congratulate himself on how "woke" he is.

Selfish, narcissistic bastards.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on June 25, 2020, 11:58:14 PM
Modern society has arrived at this level of widespread stupidity because we have made it our "thing" to stop Darwinism from running its course. At some point we are going to have to allow a hands-off natural correction if humanity is to remain viable.  :lol:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Viking on June 26, 2020, 05:46:05 AM
Modern society has arrived at this level of widespread stupidity because we have made it our "thing" to stop Darwinism from running its course. At some point we are going to have to allow a hands-off natural correction if humanity is to remain viable.  :lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/CQQ9xKH.jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 26, 2020, 09:41:25 AM
Hey kids. Did you know that not engaging in criminal activity reduces to practically zero your chance of being killed by a police office and greatly reduces your chance of being murdered overall?
Amazing isn't it?
Yes I know, it's unbelievable. Probably just extreme far right wing propaganda
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 26, 2020, 09:46:04 AM
Hey kids. Did you know that not engaging in criminal activity reduces to practically zero your chance of being killed by a police office and greatly reduces your chance of being murdered overall?
Amazing isn't it?
Yes I know, it's unbelievable. Probably just extreme far right wing propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 26, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
More on that march in Louisville that's suppose to take place Sat
Hoping this stays peaceful but all it takes is one yahoo on either side for all hell to break loose

LMPD to close roads around Jefferson Square Park Saturday morning
https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/26/lmpd-close-roads-around-jefferson-square-park-saturday-morning/

LMPD plans barricades, increased presence downtown amid reports of counter-protests this weekend
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-plans-barricades-increased-presence-downtown-amid-reports-of-counter-protests-this-weekend/article_e2efae56-b7cf-11ea-9544-5b69c765bf19.html

LMPD increasing presence, closing streets Saturday anticipating opposing groups of protesters
https://www.wlky.com/article/lmpd-increasing-presence-closing-streets-saturday-anticipating-groups-of-opposing-protesters/32980353
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 09:18:09 AM
The above completely fizzled out.
Although last evening one of the more crazy protesters decided to start spraying the area with gunfire. One dead, one injured.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
One set of rules for the masses another for the elites

After Voting to Abolish Cops, Minneapolis City Council Members Hire Private Security
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/06/27/after-voting-to-abolish-cops-minneapolis-city-council-members-hire-private-police-n2571462

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The Minneapolis city council is comprised of 12 Democratic-Farmer-Labor members and one Green Party of Minneapolis member. The three members provided private security are Andrea Jenkins, Phillipe Cunnigham, and Alondra Cano, all outspoken supporters of defunding the police. So these leftists hire muscle to protect themselves but abolish cops who protect everyone else. Something tells me the private security guards don't have graduate degrees in social work.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the level of stupidly involved here and just how massive of a tragic *expletive deleted*it pile all this could turn into. Social workers instead of police, what could go wrong?
Anyone care to guess what the murder, not to the mention the overall crime, rate is going to be?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
Yes there are crooked cops.
Yes there are police depts that need reforming.
But what they're doing is like setting fire to your house because one of the rooms is in need of new wallpaper.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 12:38:31 PM
Speaking of stupidity

Quote
   “They requested a police presence, you know, for their safety at the ‘defund the police’ event.”
    pic.twitter.com/oPQmQlbAXK

    — Eddie Zipperer (@EddieZipperer) June 27, 2020

Again I don't know whether to laugh or cry

‘I s**t you not!’ Video of officer explaining why organizers of ‘defund the police’ protest requested police presence MELTS irony detectors
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/27/i-st-you-not-video-of-officer-explaining-why-organizers-of-defund-the-police-protest-requested-police-presence-melts-irony-detectors/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 28, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
Our mayor has offered to pay, with tax payer's money of course, for any protester's personal belongings that was damaged while the city was clearing their tents and stuff from their little occupation downtown.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 28, 2020, 08:31:40 PM
Our mayor has offered to pay, with tax payer's money of course, for any protester's personal belongings that was damaged while the city was clearing their tents and stuff from their little occupation downtown.

 :facepalm:

Politicians love giving away other people's money.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 28, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
Our mayor has offered to pay, with tax payer's money of course, for any protester's personal belongings that was damaged while the city was clearing their tents and stuff from their little occupation downtown.

 :facepalm:

Didn't you have some really expensive stuff there? ;)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 29, 2020, 09:05:36 AM
They wreak my 80" tv I looted from the target.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Meanwhile in Detroit

Video captures Detroit police SUV drive through crowd of protesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=qiKv85jUUaQ&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 09:16:00 AM
Meanwhile in Detroit

Video captures Detroit police SUV drive through crowd of protesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=qiKv85jUUaQ&feature=emb_logo

I may once again be a hypocrite, but I have a hard time calling out the cops, just as I would have a hard time calling out any other civilian, who escaped a violent mob by using their vehicle. I'm tired of being told that I should give myself to the mercy or the demands of people that are essentially kidnapping me. There should be a "Reginald Denny's Law" that protects people who want to get away from these nutjobs.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 29, 2020, 09:18:34 AM
I may once again be a hypocrite, but I have a hard time calling out the cops, just as I would have a hard time calling out any other civilian, who escaped a violent mob by using their vehicle. I'm tired of being told that I should give myself to the mercy or the demands of people that are essentially kidnapping me. There should be a "Reginald Denny's Law" that protects people who want to get away from these nutjobs.

Yep. If I was in that position, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have used the brakes as much, and there would have probably been more casualties.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
Agree
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 29, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
Just had a liberal tell me on Facebook that all the attacks on people in their cars from the crowds blocking freeways are “greatly exaggerated...it’s just a little beating on cars, vandalism and graffiti” and then start on the commie *expletive deleted*it about wealth inequality.

I don’t know what it is about the liberals that cause them to deny reality and accept fantasy but holy *expletive deleted*it they are all infected with it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
Just had a liberal tell me on Facebook that all the attacks on people in their cars from the crowds blocking freeways are “greatly exaggerated...it’s just a little beating on cars, vandalism and graffiti” and then start on the commie *expletive deleted*it about wealth inequality.

I don’t know what it is about the liberals that cause them to deny reality and accept fantasy but holy *expletive deleted*it they are all infected with it.

Much of their "reality" is based on other people's property being nothing more than a construct of capitalism. Property means nothing. That is, until you grab the $800 iPhone out of their hands and throw it on the ground.

Otherwise, "It's just a car." "That's what insurance is for." "Your property is repressive."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 09:56:32 AM
In their mind there's two kinds of property. Property of the people and their property.
If it's yours then it's property of the people.
If it's theirs it's theirs.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
In their mind there's two two kinds of property. Property of the people and their property.
If it's yours then it's property of the people.
If it theirs it's theirs.


I can't remember where, but I once read some summary from the US commie party where they explained "property". Something like your home or car is not your property, but your phone, computer, or patchouli stash is.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 10:09:04 AM
This stuff has the potential to get far uglier

Quote
   The lies & tears of White women hath wrought:

    -The 1921 Tulsa Massacre
    -Murder of Emmet Till
    -Exclusion of Black women from feminist movements
    -53% of white women voting for Trump.

    White women are lucky that we are just calling them "Karen's".

    And not calling for revenge.

    — Karen Attiah (@KarenAttiah) June 28, 2020

SCREENSHOT: WaPo Global Opinions editor deletes vile tweet warning white women of ‘revenge’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/28/screenshot-wapo-global-opinions-editor-deletes-vile-tweet-warning-white-women-of-revenge/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
I may once again be a hypocrite, but I have a hard time calling out the cops, just as I would have a hard time calling out any other civilian, who escaped a violent mob by using their vehicle. I'm tired of being told that I should give myself to the mercy or the demands of people that are essentially kidnapping me. There should be a "Reginald Denny's Law" that protects people who want to get away from these nutjobs.
Agreed. 

Looks to me like the officer got out of a potentially bad situation and went out of his way to avoid causing injuries.  If those idiots would not have jumped on his car or deliberately stood in front of the car, they wouldn't be at risk of injury.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 29, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=96VNL_1593408112

Looks like they both need some training, and she needs something a little better.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 10:43:12 AM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=96VNL_1593408112

Looks like they both need some training, and she needs something a little better.

Good to see people defending their property, but holy hell, those muzzles are everywhere. The woman looked like she was holding a drink instead of a gun.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on June 29, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=96VNL_1593408112

Looks like they both need some training, and she needs something a little better.

Fun with media spin:
https://news.yahoo.com/couple-aims-guns-at-protesters-072204408.html

Quote
Missouri Couple Points Guns At Protesters Marching Past Their Home

A couple in St. Louis is coming under fire on social media after images and videos showed them aiming guns at protesters who were marching past their home on a private road.

Footage showed the couple, one with a pistol and the other with what appeared to be a semiautomatic rifle, shouting at the protesters and waving the weapons around. At times, they appeared to be pointing the firearms toward the demonstrators.

I 100% guarntee that someone will share the Huffpo spin on my Facebook 5 times before anyone mentions "defending their home".
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 29, 2020, 11:11:09 AM
I can't remember where, but I once read some summary from the US commie party where they explained "property". Something like your home or car is not your property, but your phone, computer, or patchouli stash is.

The way I heard it, stuff for your personal use is considered a possession.  Stuff used to make money is considered property.  So your computer is a possession if used for games, and property if used for a small business, or Bitcoin mining, etc.

Of course, it's all nonsense. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 29, 2020, 12:16:31 PM
The way I heard it, stuff for your personal use is considered a possession.  Stuff used to make money is considered property.  So your computer is a possession if used for games, and property if used for a small business, or Bitcoin mining, etc.


I've never heard that. The tax bills for my house and car read "Property" tax, not "Possession" tax.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 29, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
One more on the same story:

https://www.kmov.com/news/we-were-in-fear-of-our-lives-central-west-end-couple-seen-pointing-guns-at/article_afbb1b2c-b98e-11ea-ba7e-b3452007bfc8.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 01:54:53 PM
One more on the same story:

https://www.kmov.com/news/we-were-in-fear-of-our-lives-central-west-end-couple-seen-pointing-guns-at/article_afbb1b2c-b98e-11ea-ba7e-b3452007bfc8.html

I guess personal injury lawyers know next to nothing about criminal law legal/illegal use of guns. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 02:14:11 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/st-louis-couple-defend-their-home-when-protesters-enter-private-neighborhood-video/?utm_source=wideopen&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wos_daily&utm_content=%5B%5Brssitem_title%5D%5D

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If you’ve been paying attention at all, you know that protests can and have turned violent with no notice, frequently while police have stayed back and let it happen. These two people wanted to ensure nothing like that happened to their home. And they likely won’t be the last if protests and violence moves into more residential areas.

I thought this was a good point.  If these protesters decide to take their groups through residential areas, they can probably expect more encounters like this.  Hopefully, future encounters will involve homeowners who understand the difference between being armed and ready and actively pointing their guns at people who are not an immediate threat.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 29, 2020, 02:28:07 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/st-louis-couple-defend-their-home-when-protesters-enter-private-neighborhood-video/?utm_source=wideopen&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wos_daily&utm_content=%5B%5Brssitem_title%5D%5D

I thought this was a good point.  If these protesters decide to take their groups through residential areas, they can probably expect more encounters like this.  Hopefully, future encounters will involve homeowners who understand the difference between being armed and ready and actively pointing their guns at people who are not an immediate threat.  

A commenter on that link said illegal trespass can be met with deadly force under Missouri law.  Anyone know the details on that? 
As I understand it, this was a private drive way some of the protesters were pushing into.  One of those pictures showed a gate, but I wasn't sure if they went past that gate.
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For what would you arrest the couple? Please cite the applicable section of the Missouri Revised Statute to support your charge.

You might want to read this first, though:

“2. A person shall not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

  (3) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual, or is occupied by an individual who has been given specific authority by the property owner to occupy the property, claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

3. A person does not have a duty to retreat:

  (1) From a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining;
  (2) From private property that is owned or leased by such individual; or
  (3) If the person is in any other location such person has the right to be.”

Missouri Revised Statute § 563.031(2)(3)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on June 29, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
Meanwhile in Detroit

Video captures Detroit police SUV drive through crowd of protesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=qiKv85jUUaQ&feature=emb_logo

traction control off, donut mode on
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
A commenter on that link said illegal trespass can be met with deadly force under Missouri law.  Anyone know the details on that? 
As I understand it, this was a private drive way some of the protesters were pushing into.  One of those pictures showed a gate, but I wasn't sure if they went past that gate.

From what I read, they went past the gate onto the clearly marked private property, including "no trespassing" signs. I have seen a couple of different versions regarding the gate. one says they broke the locked gate open, and the other says that the gate was already open.

Either way, it's like I mention in the home invasion threads: It may be prudent for me to lock my front door to keep people out, but I shouldn't have to.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 29, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
From what I read, they went past the gate onto the clearly marked private property, including "no trespassing" signs. I have seen a couple of different versions regarding the gate. one says they broke the locked gate open, and the other says that the gate was already open.

Either way, it's like I mention in the home invasion threads: It may be prudent for me to lock my front door to keep people out, but I shouldn't have to.

Gate looks pretty broke to me:

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/kmov.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/56/656f2ae2-b9ff-11ea-80a6-f70203bdf1f7/5ef9d72fe75ee.image.jpg?resize=540%2C405)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 29, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
One more on the same story:

https://www.kmov.com/news/we-were-in-fear-of-our-lives-central-west-end-couple-seen-pointing-guns-at/article_afbb1b2c-b98e-11ea-ba7e-b3452007bfc8.html


Quote
However St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner said her office is investigating the incident, adding that protesters should not be met with violence.

"I am alarmed at the events that occurred over the weekend, where peaceful protestors were met by guns and a violent assault. We must protect the right to peacefully protest, and any attempt to chill it through intimidation or threat of deadly force will not be tolerated," Gardner tweeted.

Since when is breaking a locked gate and entering posted, private property without authorization part of "peacefully protest[ing]"?


Gate looks pretty broke to me:

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/kmov.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/56/656f2ae2-b9ff-11ea-80a6-f70203bdf1f7/5ef9d72fe75ee.image.jpg?resize=540%2C405)

Agreed.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 29, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
the USAToday story about this in the headline said the couple pointed guns at "peaceful protesters", then in the third paragraph the article said the protesters had torn down an iron gate and no trespassing sign to enter the property.  I see they have recently edited the headline.  I still have the original up in an open tab.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
the USAToday story about this in the headline said the couple pointed guns at "peaceful protesters", then in the third paragraph the article said the protesters had torn down an iron gate and no trespassing sign to enter the property.  I see they have recently edited the headline.  I still have the original up in an open tab.

They also supposedly threatened to burn down the house and kill their dog. The latter might be enough to have me not just pointing, but pulling the trigger, damn the consequences.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
And it appears that the verdict is: Guilty of fourth degree assault by intimidation. By the protestors. That should unglue the MSM.  =D

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/29/police-investigating-armed-couple-in-st-louis-are-considering-the-incident-fourth-degree-assault-by-intimidation-by-the-protesters/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on June 29, 2020, 04:24:00 PM
Dems introduce a bill to repeal the Castle Doctrine in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
Dems introduce a bill to repeal the Castle Doctrine in 3... 2... 1...

Well, I don't know what a "circuit attorney" is, but you might not be far off:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/29/st-louis-circuit-attorney-claims-peaceful-protesters-were-met-by-a-violent-assault-right-to-protest-was-chilled/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 29, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Well, I don't know what a "circuit attorney" is, but you might not be far off:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/29/st-louis-circuit-attorney-claims-peaceful-protesters-were-met-by-a-violent-assault-right-to-protest-was-chilled/

It's a typo. They misspelled "circus."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 29, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
That dumbass should educate herself on the law or I will have to call her a dumbass.

ETA: as a resident of Missouri I am embarrassed that she has attorney in her title.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
Right to protest
It's what all the cool communist countries have
Oh wait....
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on June 29, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
Since when is breaking a locked gate and entering posted, private property without authorization part of "peacefully protest[ing]"?



Murdering store owners, busting car windows and dragging people from cars and burning apartments with kids in them and blocking the fire department from responding is also “peaceful protesting”

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2020, 07:17:48 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/FB_IMG_1593442088329(1).jpg)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
He's excited

Quote
    “I’m excited to say we have a plan [to cut the NYPD budget] that can achieve real reform, that can achieve real redistribution — while at the same time ensure that we keep our city safe, while we make sure that our officers are on patrol around where we need them around this city,” de Blasio said during his daily City Hall press briefing.

    “We can do this, we can strike the balance, we can keep this city safe,” he later added.

    While Hizzoner offered few details about his spending cuts plan, he would not guarantee that the NYPD’s police force would remain at its current level of roughly 36,000 officers when pressed by reporters.

    “We have found a plan that will keep this city safe, that will achieve the billion dollars in savings,” de Blasio claimed during his daily press briefing Monday.

    Separately, de Blasio also said his plan would move at least half-billion dollars from the NYPD’s construction and major projects budget to help fund building improvements at youth centers and public housing.

De Blasio Plan to Cut $1 Billion From NYPD, ‘Achieve Real Redistribution’ as Shootings Reach Dinkins Era Levels
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/de-blasio-plan-to-cut-1-billion-from-nypd-achieve-real-redistribution-as-shootings-reach-dinkins-era-levels/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 30, 2020, 11:05:55 AM
At least the Oklahoma County D.A. has the right idea:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/oklahoma-authorities-charge-alleged-rioters-with-terrorism-this-is-not-seattle

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Authorities in Oklahoma announced late last week that they were charging alleged rioters with terrorism and assault, saying that they would not put up with “this lawlessness here.”

Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater reportedly made the decision to get tough on the rioters in an effort to curb any future potential riots.

“This is not Seattle,” Prater said Friday. “We’re not putting up with this lawlessness here.”
...
Prater defended the charges on Sunday, saying, “When you act like a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist.”
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Provo, Utah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGpITt0xdA
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2020, 12:22:53 PM
Provo, Utah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGpITt0xdA

Again, it should simply be open season on anyone attempting to kidnap me by stopping my progress. This is why no one should stop or even slow down, ever if confronted on the road by these people. Keep your mass x velocity.

Every freakin' DA that insists drivers need to be arrested if they run these blockades needs to go to prison for a minimum of 10 years.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 30, 2020, 01:30:55 PM
Provo, Utah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGpITt0xdA
Considering someone was there with a gun, some of those people should be lucky they weren't run over.  I would have floored it. 

The driver didn't stop, but controlled the SUV's speed so the idiots could get out of the way.  Very good driving as far as I am concerned.  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on June 30, 2020, 01:33:51 PM
Again, it should simply be open season on anyone attempting to kidnap me by stopping my progress. This is why no one should stop or even slow down, ever if confronted on the road by these people. Keep your mass x velocity.

Every freakin' DA that insists drivers need to be arrested if they run these blockades needs to go to prison for a minimum of 10 years.
Of all the videos I have seen, I have only seen one or two where it looked like someone was run over and most of those were the idiots jumping on or in front of the cars. 

If they wanted to be more organized, they could set up a dozen stronger people on one side to flip over cars, but I hope they don't. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Provo, Utah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGpITt0xdA

More on this. I haven't confirmed it anywhere else but Twitchy, but this is saying that the driver took a bullet. So attempted murder, no?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/30/zoomed-in-video-shows-man-firing-a-gun-into-a-vehicle-trying-to-get-through-a-roadblock-of-protesters-in-utah/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 30, 2020, 05:28:57 PM
It doesn't matter what you see, or what they do. BLM and their fellow travelers have a history, and the organization is shot through with racism. Whether you're black or white, you should not ever let them stop you, if you can possibly get away.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 30, 2020, 05:55:20 PM
At 0:21 in the video you can see the dude with the backpack shooting.

I hope they nail his posterior region to the wall in court. Yes, I would say attempted murder would be a good start.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2020, 06:32:37 PM
Black man takes down BLM signs because he's sick of seeing them. White boy to BLM's rescue:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/30/ill-snatch-you-out-you-whip-bro-raging-white-boy-with-poor-impulse-control-tries-to-tackle-man-tearing-down-blm-signs/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 06:47:03 PM
At 0:21 in the video you can see the dude with the backpack shooting.

I hope they nail his posterior region to the wall in court. Yes, I would say attempted murder would be a good start.

Was that a cellphone taking video or a gun? Hard to tell from the video. Of course, that works either way now.

Looked like shooter had a green/black scarf from 0:26-0:36
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 30, 2020, 08:02:40 PM
Surround police car and scream, then accuse them of "aggression" when they drive through your patchouli stink mob.

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“These officers drove into our protest after we walked past their vehicles,” he added. “They did not need to drive past us for emergency purposes because they had other officers on the other side ready. This was a clear act of aggression.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-officers-drive-through-crowd-of-protesters-after-back-window-shattered
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 08:07:59 PM
Surround police car and scream, then accuse them of "aggression" when they drive through your patchouli stink mob.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-officers-drive-through-crowd-of-protesters-after-back-window-shattered

CNN: US commits act of aggression when they fire on Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 30, 2020, 08:37:35 PM
CNN: US commits act of aggression when they fire on peaceful Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor.

Fixt.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on June 30, 2020, 10:12:44 PM
Mostly peaceful.

Fixt  again.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on June 30, 2020, 10:15:02 PM
Mostly harmless
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on June 30, 2020, 10:16:10 PM
Mostly harmless

Don't Panic
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 30, 2020, 11:15:17 PM
Don't Panic

... unless they're shooting at you.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on June 30, 2020, 11:22:20 PM
Black man takes down BLM signs because he's sick of seeing them. White boy to BLM's rescue:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/30/ill-snatch-you-out-you-whip-bro-raging-white-boy-with-poor-impulse-control-tries-to-tackle-man-tearing-down-blm-signs/

That dude's beard could have taken the skinny dude out all by itself.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 30, 2020, 11:23:09 PM
Quote
“These officers drove into our protest after we walked past their vehicles,” he added. “They did not need to drive past us for emergency purposes because they had other officers on the other side ready. This was a clear act of aggression.”

The frightening part is that they probably believe this drivel.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on July 01, 2020, 07:30:33 AM
Well, I don't know what a "circuit attorney" is, but you might not be far off:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/06/29/st-louis-circuit-attorney-claims-peaceful-protesters-were-met-by-a-violent-assault-right-to-protest-was-chilled/

Well, in a world where I'm supreme potentate, circuit attorney would mean any attorney who makes such idiotic claims could have his scrote hooked into an electrical circuit.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: fifth_column on July 01, 2020, 08:57:16 AM
The frightening part is that they probably believe this drivel.

They absolutely believe it, without qualms, without second (or first) thoughts, without doubts.  In fact, belief is not even required, they consider this a stone-cold truth, as immutable as the fact one is a human being on planet Earth.  That is why any viewpoint other than theirs is literally treated like heresy.  And historically, humans have reserved our most horrendous punishments for heretics.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: AJ Dual on July 01, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
What always intrigues me is how, after it breaks free, a bunch of the protesters/rioters always run after the vehicle like dogs chasing the mailman.

Do they hope to catch the car and surround it again? Are they trying to get the license plate, to report to the police they profess to hate? If they're trying to get the plate, is it in hopes of doxxing the person?

I really wish more states had clear laws that driving through mobs when you're surrounded was legal, and the onus is on the mob.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 11:03:01 AM
Long guns confiscated by SWAT after men found atop downtown Louisville parking garage during protests
https://www.wdrb.com/news/long-guns-confiscated-by-swat-after-men-found-atop-downtown-louisville-parking-garage-during-protests/article_32710774-bb02-11ea-aba0-5312c7812cba.html

Now this caught my eye, besides the fact one was a lever action.

Quote
The men’s guns, one of which had a bipod attached, were taken because they could not immediately prove ownership, police said.

Sooo, how do you immediately prove ownership?
This is Kentucky, we don't need no stinking badges!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 01, 2020, 11:09:46 AM

Now this caught my eye, besides the fact one was a lever action.

Sooo, how do you immediately prove ownership?
This is Kentucky, we don't need no stinking badges!

I just watched a couple of videos over at Twitchy about the NYC CHOP, which had me feeling really sorry for the cops, wishing they could pop out the OC spray. Then I read this and don't like (some of) them again. Interesting times.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 01, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Honestly I think most of the MSM know for a fact the entire USA has LA or NYC type gun laws where every gun is registered and a permit required any type of ownership and/or carry. Even some of the local articles will say something about a gun not being registered and/or he didn't have permit for it :facepalm:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on July 01, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Long guns confiscated by SWAT after men found atop downtown Louisville parking garage during protests
https://www.wdrb.com/news/long-guns-confiscated-by-swat-after-men-found-atop-downtown-louisville-parking-garage-during-protests/article_32710774-bb02-11ea-aba0-5312c7812cba.html

Now this caught my eye, besides the fact one was a lever action.

Sooo, how do you immediately prove ownership?
This is Kentucky, we don't need no stinking badges!

Quote
wearing camouflage and face paint,

 :facepalm:

They need work on their camo. For city camo you dress in jeans and a band T-shirt appropriate to the region and carry a bass guitar case.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on July 01, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Two arrested in Provo shooting:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46771617/police-arrest-2-after-man-shot-during-provo-protest
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 01, 2020, 05:16:04 PM
Well are we peak 2020 yet? The NYT has now stated that the US is the same as Nazi Germany.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/01/this-is-quite-sincerely-insane-new-york-times-compares-americas-enduring-caste-system-to-india-nazi-germany/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 08:38:27 AM
Damn racist elk!

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/02/did-the-portland-elk-statue-set-on-fire-last-night-own-slaves-and-fight-for-the-confederacy/

Trump has ordered Federal LE to protect Federal statues on the 4th. If he authorized them to use deadly force, that's okay by me.

If we ever catch some of these a$$holes and start gathering statistics, I'm wondering what the percentage of twentysomething white trust fund babies will be.

Though there will also be a good sized percentage of just plain nuts people:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/01/protester-calls-nypd-cop-a-fcking-black-judas-and-other-scenes-from-the-nyc-chaz/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 09:27:25 AM
Well are we peak 2020 yet? The NYT has now stated that the US is the same as Nazi Germany.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/01/this-is-quite-sincerely-insane-new-york-times-compares-americas-enduring-caste-system-to-india-nazi-germany/
Can you really call Nazi Germany a caste system when it lasted less than a generation?  It was bad stuff, but I think "caste system" is the wrong description.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2020, 09:33:53 AM
Can you really call Nazi Germany a caste system when it lasted less than a generation?  It was bad stuff, but I think "caste system" is the wrong description.

Nazi Germany will be twisted into whatever it has to be by liberals to use as ammunition for their cause.
Example: Nazi Germany despite being socialist is used as an example of the evils of capitalism
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 10:16:46 AM
Can you really call Nazi Germany a caste system when it lasted less than a generation?  It was bad stuff, but I think "caste system" is the wrong description.

Well it's the NYT. It was probably more important to their story to say that the US is worse than a nazi regime.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TommyGunn on July 02, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
Well it's the NYT. It was probably more important to their story to say that the US is worse than a nazi regime.

Bunch of chutzpah from a paper that actively denied the Holocaust.   :mad:
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2020, 10:21:21 AM
Bunch of chutzpah from a paper that actively denied the Holocaust.   :mad:

If doing so is useful for them at the time. Any other time and they'll beat you over the head with it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on July 02, 2020, 11:32:29 AM
More fun over in Michigan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
More fun over in Michigan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU
In other times, I might think pulling a gun is overkill, but not right now.  There professional victims are ramping up the violence too much.  Those two black women are just looking for an excuse to ramp up their victim status.  I hate to think what would have happened if they had more numbers there.  They probably would have been more aggressive.  

As if just bumping into someone is justification to start confrontation/fight (even though they are probably lying).  
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 01:14:10 PM
In other times, I might think pulling a gun is overkill, but not right now.  There professional victims are ramping up the violence too much.  Those two black women are just looking for an excuse to ramp up their victim status.  I hate to think what would have happened if they had more numbers there.  They probably would have been more aggressive.  

As if just bumping into someone is justification to start confrontation/fight (even though they are probably lying).  


They are crossing a very dangerous line. People will only take so much. I agree on more numbers being more aggressive, and the woman might have fired at that point instead of hoping showing the gun deescalated the situation, and she would have been right to fire. These people are going to get a race war in which they are outnumbered nine to one.

EDIT: I was reading the youtube replies and one of them said the woman was arrested and her firearm confiscated. If true, outrageous. Also apparently the youtube video is edited and there is a longer one that makes the black women look even worse?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
IMHO Would be more of a culture/ideology war since both sides have both blacks and whites on their side and at it's core it really wouldn't be about race anyway but more what direction we want the country to go in. Think Russia 1917-1923. A lot of blacks are sick and tired of this BS, not nearly enough though, yet.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Who knows, maybe Mexico will be paying for and even building that wall after all
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
IMHO Would be more of a culture/ideology war since both sides have both blacks and whites on their side and at it's core it really wouldn't be about race anyway but more what direction we want the country to go in. Think Russia 1917-1923. A lot of blacks are sick and tired of this BS, not nearly enough though, yet.

True enough. I posted a video the other day of a black guy taking down BLM posters and getting attacked by a frothing at the mouth white dude.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
We got a house on fire and they're arguing over what color to paint it and every time we say the fire needs to be put out they say we don't care about the house.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 02, 2020, 02:57:47 PM
They are crossing a very dangerous line. People will only take so much. I agree on more numbers being more aggressive, and the woman might have fired at that point instead of hoping showing the gun deescalated the situation, and she would have been right to fire. These people are going to get a race war in which they are outnumbered nine to one.

EDIT: I was reading the youtube replies and one of them said the woman was arrested and her firearm confiscated. If true, outrageous. Also apparently the youtube video is edited and there is a longer one that makes the black women look even worse?
I heard she was released quickly, but I assume they kept the gun. 

There was a link to the twitter thread.  The original twitter thread was only showing a short clip of the white woman with her gun out with no explanation of why.  That youtube video at least showed they were not the aggressors. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 02, 2020, 05:27:17 PM
Des Moines, Iowa:  BLM protesters assault police officers.

https://www.facebook.com/DMPolice/videos/2907518862704411/

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on July 02, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
I heard she was released quickly, but I assume they kept the gun. 

There was a link to the twitter thread.  The original twitter thread was only showing a short clip of the white woman with her gun out with no explanation of why.  That youtube video at least showed they were not the aggressors. 

They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on July 02, 2020, 07:49:02 PM
They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html

Not sure why the man is charged, but the woman with the gun messed up.  No need to exit the vehicle, getting yelled at isn't fatal.  Pulling the gun without a threat is a big screw up.

On the other hand, I think people have their phones at the ready and are looking for a confrontation.  I think the mom and the daughter were looking for a fight.

Just apologize and walk away.  Nothing worth arguing about.  Blocked in with someone behind you?  Lock the doors, call 911, wait for police to arrive or an exit to open.  If they escalate, then things change.

Then again, I am just sitting, self isolating here on my couch.  Also why I made sure I have fresh pepper spray at the ready along with my CCW.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on July 02, 2020, 07:52:47 PM
Particularly clear here:

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 02, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html

And the husband was fired from his job. Guilty until proven Innocent.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on July 02, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
SJW culture eating it's own is sweet, sweet irony.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TommyGunn on July 02, 2020, 11:33:22 PM
Not sure why the man is charged, but the woman with the gun messed up.  No need to exit the vehicle, getting yelled at isn't fatal.  Pulling the gun without a threat is a big screw up.

On the other hand, I think people have their phones at the ready and are looking for a confrontation.  I think the mom and the daughter were looking for a fight.

Just apologize and walk away.  Nothing worth arguing about.  Blocked in with someone behind you?  Lock the doors, call 911, wait for police to arrive or an exit to open.  If they escalate, then things change.

Then again, I am just sitting, self isolating here on my couch.  Also why I made sure I have fresh pepper spray at the ready along with my CCW.

Bolded part <<<<<<THIS. 

The whole thing is a mess gone sideways.  The black lady & daughter didn't have to make a production and the mother shouldn't have gone behind the car, or hit it.  The white lady should have stayed inside.    Ought not have exited with gun.  And what kind of person stands there asking "are you going to shoot me?"  in such an unflustered voice?

Stay in the car.   Don't fuel the fight.   

A week or so I accidentally bumped into a lady at Publix while shopping.  I immediately apologized,  almost instinctively, really.  No harm no foul.    No excitement.   
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 03, 2020, 08:30:45 AM
Well, they got the Utah shooter, and it's attempted aggravated murder, so IMO, they're getting that right.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-people-trapped-cars-911-fredericksburg-detroit-officers-minneapolis-trucker-provo-utah-charlottesville

The main story is on "what to do if you're blocked by protestors". Some of the 911 advice was laughable, except that warning people to leave without hitting protestors is a setup for the driver to get arrested when they attempt to save themselves.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 03, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
On the white lady with the gun, it sounds like even here at APS we're having quite divergent opinions. I might change my mind if more info becomes available, but I'm still on the side of the couple. Though even conservative Fox News doesn't seem to be, from the way they worded their article and left some stuff out to make the white woman into the initial aggressor.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-couple-arrested-for-assault-after-pulling-gun-on-black-family-during-confrontation

This doesn't even seem to be a black vs white issue on opinions. Looking at reader comments in the various articles I have read, there are a good number of black commenters who seem to be on the side of the couple, or at least laying blame for initiating the incident on the black family.

 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 03, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
On the white lady with the gun, it sounds like even here at APS we're having quite divergent opinions. I might change my mind if more info becomes available, but I'm still on the side of the couple. Though even conservative Fox News doesn't seem to be, from the way they worded their article and left some stuff out to make the white woman into the initial aggressor.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-couple-arrested-for-assault-after-pulling-gun-on-black-family-during-confrontation

This doesn't even seem to be a black vs white issue on opinions. Looking at reader comments in the various articles I have read, there are a good number of black commenters who seem to be on the side of the couple, or at least laying blame for initiating the incident on the black family.

 
That last is primarily what I was focusing on.  The black lady with her daughter taking video was trolling for a confrontation to post online.  Probably looking to get internet famous.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn the daughter arranged to bump into the woman just so they could start a fight.  IMO, the bad actors in this were the black woman and her daughter. 

On the other side, the woman messed up by pulling a gun out when it was mostly just words at that point.  The black woman beating on the car is probably inadequate justification legally.  That said, if I was on a jury, I doubt I would vote to convict without evidence showing something different. 

For us, it is a good lesson for family members and others on what to do and not do.  My parents used to always tell us there were people out there trolling for lawsuits to take everything you have.  That was true.  Now it is also people trolling for confrontations to put on video. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 03, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Particularly clear here:


That picture is a good summary of the lesson to be learned here.  Some idiots are not worth arguing with especially when the argument/confrontation is their goal in the first place.

(http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62332.0;attach=3669;image)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 03, 2020, 10:36:45 AM
If the MSM stopped mentioning the race of those involved you got to wonder how that would change people's perspective on a great many things
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on July 03, 2020, 11:03:53 AM
That last is primarily what I was focusing on.  The black lady with her daughter taking video was trolling for a confrontation to post online.  Probably looking to get internet famous.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn the daughter arranged to bump into the woman just so they could start a fight.  IMO, the bad actors in this were the black woman and her daughter. 

On the other side, the woman messed up by pulling a gun out when it was mostly just words at that point.  The black woman beating on the car is probably inadequate justification legally.  That said, if I was on a jury, I doubt I would vote to convict without evidence showing something different. 

For us, it is a good lesson for family members and others on what to do and not do.  My parents used to always tell us there were people out there trolling for lawsuits to take everything you have.  That was true.  Now it is also people trolling for confrontations to put on video. 

White lady's gun handling, and handling herself in general was superb.  She did probably draw too early, and left the relative safety of her vehicle to do so.  Should have waited for the thugs to break a window or try to pull the doors open (although by then it's time to actually shoot them)

I have no idea why the husband was arrested.  Probably just because it's near Detroit.

I think they should have put the car in reverse and just slowly driven away (ready to punch the gas if necessary.)  If Mama is really dedicated to the scam she's running, she'll get run over, but she has plenty of time to get out of the way so that's on her.   You might still get arrested, just because this happens near Detroit and they want to appease the mob.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 03, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
Bolded part <<<<<<THIS. 

The whole thing is a mess gone sideways.  The black lady & daughter didn't have to make a production and the mother shouldn't have gone behind the car, or hit it.  The white lady should have stayed inside.    Ought not have exited with gun.  And what kind of person stands there asking "are you going to shoot me?"  in such an unflustered voice?

Stay in the car.   Don't fuel the fight.   

A week or so I accidentally bumped into a lady at Publix while shopping.  I immediately apologized,  almost instinctively, really.  No harm no foul.    No excitement.   

The media, of course, are accepting the "victims'" version of the story, without any question. This report totally glosses over the fact that the "victims" attacked the white couple's car and blocked it from backing out of the parking space.

https://www.newser.com/story/293081/white-couple-pulls-gun-on-black-mom-kids-cops.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Blakenzy on July 04, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Qualified immunity and the Supreme Court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mPJ5w9-XF4
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 04, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Qualified immunity and the Supreme Court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mPJ5w9-XF4

Unfortunately, followed by this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZsGkKbOfDg
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 04, 2020, 10:34:02 AM
... and now The Little Mermaid is racist:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/denmark-little-mermaid-statue-vandalized-racist-fish-grafitti

"Racist fish"?   Seriously??
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on July 04, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Bring down the whitefish patriarchy!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on July 04, 2020, 09:15:42 PM
White lady's gun handling, and handling herself in general was superb.

full vid i think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcAJ2cLXN98

not superb, she gets out, racks the slide like she is on an episode of "24".
superb handling means one in the pipe and not arguing with morons.
husband was not helping either.
they were trying to reason with unreasonable people.
its like trying to tell the palestinians and israeli's to hold hands and sing kumbya

edited to add, the white couple - i do not think they were entirely unjustified - just no street smarts at all - they should have just let the idiots yell.
you can insult back without getting the cops called, cops are always called when the suburban folks pull guns.
i would have driven away while reminding them they're dumb
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on July 05, 2020, 02:09:24 AM
.
i would have driven away while reminding them they're dumb

One of them stepped behind the van so they couldn't back out
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 05, 2020, 03:39:51 AM
One of them stepped behind the van so they couldn't back out

Obstructing traffic (probably doesn't apply in a private parking lot)
False imprisonment
Threatening
Vandalism (if they scratched or dented the vehicle)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: gunsmith on July 05, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
One of them stepped behind the van so they couldn't back out

 I always park so i drive forward to leave a spot, "tactical parking".
I've already considered being blocked in, something I thought about and devised plans for.
They carry unloaded guns - which indicates a mindset I cannot abide by.
Carrying unloaded guns people imagine that merely displaying the gun will force people to acquiesce.
 It didn't and doesn't work that way, a lot of people wan't to keep on yammering at the people pointing guns at them.

It would have been better to get on the phone with 911, and slowly back out anyway, telling dispatch you're scared of these people and are leaving .
even stupid ghetto dwellers get out of the way rather than get run over.

these folks carry guns, unloaded guns, they believe guns are magical talismans that make people obey.

they got their gun skills from TV and liberal hollywood not from Clint Smith or Jeff Cooper
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 05, 2020, 07:34:13 PM
Protestors in Atlanta killed an 8 year old girl whose family inadvertently drove into the protest area. Multiple shots from the crowd struck the car and killed the girl. Like the comments say, why isn't this top news in the MSM? This was the first I heard about it:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/05/they-say-black-lives-matter-an-8-year-old-girl-was-killed-by-an-armed-mob-in-atlanta-and-why-isnt-it-the-top-story-in-america/

I say again, there should be a standing "shoot on sight" order for all protestors blockading public transportation routes.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on July 05, 2020, 09:45:38 PM
sickening
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
wow, this just took a turn

Quote
New information has surfaced in the Breonna Taylor case claiming the city targeted Taylor’s ex-boyfriend to bring in a new, large scale development.

The lawsuit filed on Taylor's behalf was amended Saturday stating the investigation into Jamarcus Glover was initiated as way for Mayor Greg Fischer to leave behind a "legacy" in the West End.

Quote
After the date of that presentation, the lawsuit claims, Glover began being targeted, residents evicted, and homes, purchased by the city, demolished. But, there were still lingering residents, such as Glover, that remained as an obstacle for the project.

Breonna Taylor lawsuit is amended, placing blame on the Mayor for a new development project
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/05/breonna-taylor-lawsuit-is-amended-placing-blame-mayor-new-development-project/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 06, 2020, 02:47:01 PM
Protestors in Atlanta killed an 8 year old girl whose family inadvertently drove into the protest area. Multiple shots from the crowd struck the car and killed the girl. Like the comments say, why isn't this top news in the MSM? This was the first I heard about it:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/05/they-say-black-lives-matter-an-8-year-old-girl-was-killed-by-an-armed-mob-in-atlanta-and-why-isnt-it-the-top-story-in-america/

I say again, there should be a standing "shoot on sight" order for all protestors blockading public transportation routes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEemY1d0dc

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Boomhauer on July 06, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
Protestors in Atlanta killed an 8 year old girl whose family inadvertently drove into the protest area. Multiple shots from the crowd struck the car and killed the girl. Like the comments say, why isn't this top news in the MSM? This was the first I heard about it:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/07/05/they-say-black-lives-matter-an-8-year-old-girl-was-killed-by-an-armed-mob-in-atlanta-and-why-isnt-it-the-top-story-in-america/

I say again, there should be a standing "shoot on sight" order for all protestors blockading public transportation routes.



Protestors so peaceful people are dying!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 06, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Protestors so peaceful people are dying!

Reminds me a little of "The religion of Peace" If you disagree with them they'll *expletive deleted*ing kill you.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2020, 07:17:42 PM
Reminds me a little of "The religion of Peace" If you disagree with them they'll *expletive deleted*ing kill you. blow up
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 11, 2020, 06:07:34 PM
The Federal government has (rightly, IMO) denied "disaster relief" to MN for the riot damages. If a governor wants to virtue signal and let the rioters run rampant, then the state gets to be responsible for that. I feel bad for APS members and other MN residents who get stuck footing this bill, but it's clearly a state caused issue.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/11/federal-government-denies-minnesota-governors-plea-for-aid-to-help-rebuild-after-george-floyd-riots/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RocketMan on July 11, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
The Federal government has (rightly, IMO) denied "disaster relief" to MN for the riot damages. If a governor wants to virtue signal and let the rioters run rampant, then the state gets to be responsible for that. I feel bad for APS members and other MN residents who get stuck footing this bill, but it's clearly a state caused issue.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/11/federal-government-denies-minnesota-governors-plea-for-aid-to-help-rebuild-after-george-floyd-riots/

The most logical reply in the whole bunch was, "Maybe they can ask their Good friends at Black Lives Matter to float them a few million to repair the damage."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on July 11, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
I agree with him on this but I would set up a group to talk to the over 1500 business harmed by this and maybe find a way to help them while telling the sate and local government tgft. If it was anyone but Trump it would look good trying to help those mostly minority business.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 11, 2020, 07:01:28 PM
I agree with him on this but I would set up a group to talk to the over 1500 business harmed by this and maybe find a way to help them while telling the sate and local government tgft. If it was anyone but Trump it would look good trying to help those mostly minority business.

*expletive deleted*ck 'em! They got exactly what they voted for. Good and Hard!
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on July 11, 2020, 08:23:44 PM
I agree with him on this but I would set up a group to talk to the over 1500 business harmed by this and maybe find a way to help them while telling the sate and local government tgft. If it was anyone but Trump it would look good trying to help those mostly minority business.
Might be better to help them move and set up business in the suburbs.  Since they de-funded the police there, it ain't going to get better.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Jim147 on July 11, 2020, 09:23:44 PM
That's true or talk to them about moving out of state like some others there and Washington state have.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 12, 2020, 03:51:44 AM
*expletive deleted*ck 'em! They got exactly what they voted for. Good and Hard!



With the systemic election fraud can that really be assumed anymore?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on July 12, 2020, 07:53:02 AM

With the systemic election fraud can that really be assumed anymore?

I see what you did there. :)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on July 14, 2020, 02:31:25 PM
But I thought fences and walls were evil and didn't actually do anything

Fence to be built around Kentucky Governor's Mansion following protests
https://www.wdrb.com/news/fence-to-be-built-around-kentucky-governors-mansion-following-protests/article_c98f1d72-c5f6-11ea-bc86-4f848f83d814.html
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on August 04, 2020, 07:47:16 AM
Bodycam footage leaked.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/floyd-bodycam-footage-finally-leaked/

He was obviously high and resisting arrest. I didn't watch all the way to the end.

The left needs better heroes.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 04, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
The heroes and the martyrs of the left seem to all have a common theme.

Martin- just another junior thug who was shot while beating his intended victim's head into the pavement

Brown - another thug with attitude issues, if he'd been walking on the sidewalk instead of being a doosh in the middle of the road the cop probably would have driven on by...  Of course the strong arm robbery he committed just a few minutes prior might have gotten the cops attention but when you try to take a cops gun all bets are off.

Floyd - multiple convictions for drug offenses and violent crimes, likely would still be alive today if he hadn't been caught passing phony $20 bills

Of course there are all the classic heroes as well, Marx, Stalin, Mao, Geuvara, Castro and others.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on August 04, 2020, 08:38:12 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/amp/Police-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-moment-arrest-George-Floyd-time.html?__twitter_impression=true

I was going to post this but it is mostly still video captures.  Ron is ahead with a better link.   =)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Andiron on August 04, 2020, 10:26:12 PM
Watch the video.

I generally think the cops are out of line but they were consummate professionals with that retard.  Totally kills the racism narrative.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on August 09, 2020, 08:29:31 PM
I finally watched it.  I agree, the left has once again done a poor job of picking a hero.  St Floyd worked himself up into hysteria, probably from drugs, and contributed to his own demise.  I think some of the cops (the rookies) will probably get off now; and maybe they should. 

Officer Chauvin is still a murderer; I don't know what his motive was, but he deliberately killed a detainee who was handcuffed and under control.  We know it was deliberate because he kept Floyd pinned for several minutes after he was non-responsive, IMHO to make sure he was dead. 

"Hangin's too good for him.  Burnin's too good for him..."
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on August 09, 2020, 09:34:29 PM
Does this article maybe shift your view?

Looks like he was doing what he was trained to do. (https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911)

And it may have been, given the options available, the most compassionate way to deal with a person in Floyd's condition.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on August 09, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
Does this article maybe shift your view?

Looks like he was doing what he was trained to do. (https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911)

And it may have been, given the options available, the most compassionate way to deal with a person in Floyd's condition.


Good article.  It might change my mind a little.  But IIRC, Chauvin kept Floyd pinned for about 3 minutes after the other officers said they could not detect a pulse.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 09, 2020, 10:15:14 PM
Good article.  It might change my mind a little.  But IIRC, Chauvin kept Floyd pinned for about 3 minutes after the other officers said they could not detect a pulse.

According to the article, the policy is to restrain until paramedics arrive ...
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on August 10, 2020, 12:45:09 AM
According to the article, the policy is to restrain until paramedics arrive ...

If that's true, then it doesn't matter whether he murdered Floyd or not, the case will get thrown out for qualified immunity.  This could get interesting.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on August 10, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
Does this article maybe shift your view?

Looks like he was doing what he was trained to do. (https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911)

And it may have been, given the options available, the most compassionate way to deal with a person in Floyd's condition.



Since one of my issues all along has been police procedures are too violent and dangerous to the folks they are arresting, the fact that policy may have allowed killing Mr. Floyd doesn't really change that, no.

Honestly, the fact that Mr. Floyd was high, a criminal, and acting weird doesn't really change my view of the minutes that he was restrained, not resisting, and still being knelt on.  I never thought that he was a saint, and, indeed, we shouldn't have to be saints to not get killed by our law enforcement officers.  Murder vs. manslaughter is going to be a long drawn out conversation between lawyers looking for nuances in commas, but I still believe that Officer Chauvin is culpable for the death, and criminally so.

At the risk of nudging the thread towards Godwin, we established long ago that "I was just following orders" is not sufficient to shield you from criminal prosecution for your misdeeds, and every individual has a responsibility to act in a legal manner, regardless of what their bosses say.  As a soldier, I get repeated, and as I progress up the ranks very nuanced, training reminding me of my responsibility to ensure any orders I follow are legal, and what the laws of war say.  If MPD's policy was "kneel on the guy till the paramedics get there", then I would argue that Officer Chauvin was morally and legally obligated to break that policy before he killed someone, and the other officers were similarly obligated to point out that Officer Chauvin was crossing a line and keep him from killing someone in the name of following policy.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on August 10, 2020, 08:24:11 AM
Yea, not sure I can go along with murder but killing someone inadvertently just because you are following orders is at the minimum manslaughter.

I have zero law enforcement, legal or military background and am just trying to suss out the commonsense, just position on the whole affair.

Those delegated authority do have to be held accountable or else they eventually just become your rulers. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 10, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
I'm suspicious that Floyd was dying before the police even got there and that he would have died regardless of how he was treated. I also saw nothing in the body cam footage that made me think excessive force.

This actually makes me want to say "Increase funding" and use it on more medical first responder training, because honestly, that's what I think happened. They knew something was wrong with him. They just couldn't identify it.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on August 10, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
Since one of my issues all along has been police procedures are too violent and dangerous to the folks they are arresting, the fact that policy may have allowed killing Mr. Floyd doesn't really change that, no.

Honestly, the fact that Mr. Floyd was high, a criminal, and acting weird doesn't really change my view of the minutes that he was restrained, not resisting, and still being knelt on.  I never thought that he was a saint, and, indeed, we shouldn't have to be saints to not get killed by our law enforcement officers.  Murder vs. manslaughter is going to be a long drawn out conversation between lawyers looking for nuances in commas, but I still believe that Officer Chauvin is culpable for the death, and criminally so.

At the risk of nudging the thread towards Godwin, we established long ago that "I was just following orders" is not sufficient to shield you from criminal prosecution for your misdeeds, and every individual has a responsibility to act in a legal manner, regardless of what their bosses say.  As a soldier, I get repeated, and as I progress up the ranks very nuanced, training reminding me of my responsibility to ensure any orders I follow are legal, and what the laws of war say.  If MPD's policy was "kneel on the guy till the paramedics get there", then I would argue that Officer Chauvin was morally and legally obligated to break that policy before he killed someone, and the other officers were similarly obligated to point out that Officer Chauvin was crossing a line and keep him from killing someone in the name of following policy.

But what if the restraint was the best possible option? That is, what if this type of restraint leads to better outcomes than any other choice the police could have made here?

They couldn't let him drive away, they didn't shoot him, they didn't tase him, they did get hands on with him in the back of squad but then could they just let him thrash around in there? I don't know the answer to that.

Maybe what they did was in Floyd's best interests. It just didn't work out this time.

And as the article stated, the kneeling may not have had any bearing on the death of Floyd. People have died under restraint and they have died while not under restraint.

It was just bad luck for Floyd and Chauvin. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on August 10, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Just.....No.

Minutes kneeling on someone's neck, after they are in handcuffs isn't the best possible option. Depending on which autopsy you like, either he asphyxiated due to being kneeled on, or his heart stopped due to complications from being kneeled on.

Yes, he didn't help his case by being on drugs, sketchy, and probably with underlying medical issues, but the police still need to be able to arrest high, sketchy, not medically perfect people without killing them.  I've watched the videos.  I'm not condemning the cops for anything they did, except kneeling on the guys neck for minutes after he was cuffed and had stopped struggling.  Sadly, that directly contributed to his death.  So they are culpable for that action.  This shouldn't be complicated.  You don't get to contribute materially to the homicide* of someone in your custody and just say "oops, he started it."  If anything, once he was in cuffs they had a greater responsibility to ensure his safety, because they had removed some of his ability to do it himself.  They had numerous options to deescalate once he was in cuffs, and they did nothing at all except maintain the max pressure it took to get him in cuffs.


*BOTH autopsies ruled Mr. Floyd's death a homicide, so I feel it's fair to call it such.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on August 10, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
Do we know the kneeling was a cause of death?

There's a chance that the COD was Floyd's condition. That alone should be reasonable doubt.

What I'd like to see is some statistics on this restraint method. How many times has it been used versus how many people have died under it.

Because if the number of deaths is a very small percentage than that would point to Floyd's death being bad luck rather than the results of depraved actions by the officers.

That's because the officers would have been trained in a technique that has been shown to work the vast majority of the time and so why shouldn't they use it in this instance? Are they expected to come up with a different method on-the-fly?

And what if they didn't restrain him and he thrashed around such that he banged his head and that looked like it resulted in his death. The officers would still be blamed for that outcome. Maybe not charged with murder, but still blamed.

And maybe that would have been for the best because maybe we wouldn't have gotten these riots as a result.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 10, 2020, 04:23:33 PM
Just.....No.

Minutes kneeling on someone's neck, after they are in handcuffs isn't the best possible option. Depending on which autopsy you like, either he asphyxiated due to being kneeled on, or his heart stopped due to complications from being kneeled on.

Yes, he didn't help his case by being on drugs, sketchy, and probably with underlying medical issues, but the police still need to be able to arrest high, sketchy, not medically perfect people without killing them.  I've watched the videos.  I'm not condemning the cops for anything they did, except kneeling on the guys neck for minutes after he was cuffed and had stopped struggling.  Sadly, that directly contributed to his death.  So they are culpable for that action.  This shouldn't be complicated.  You don't get to contribute materially to the homicide* of someone in your custody and just say "oops, he started it."  If anything, once he was in cuffs they had a greater responsibility to ensure his safety, because they had removed some of his ability to do it himself.  They had numerous options to deescalate once he was in cuffs, and they did nothing at all except maintain the max pressure it took to get him in cuffs.


*BOTH autopsies ruled Mr. Floyd's death a homicide, so I feel it's fair to call it such.

I tend to agree with you but I don't know what the answer is.
He was apparently stoned out of his gourd. He WAS resisting though not extremely violently. They had him cuffed, could they have just let him flop around on the ground like a beached fish till he wore himself out and possibly fatally injured himself in the process?

I do not for a second believe Floyd deserved to die in this incident. (The incident where he held a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman is a whole 'nuther story)
He had a long criminal record that included numerous violent crimes.
He had recently ingested excessive quantities of dangerous, mind altering drugs.
He was apprehended for passing bogus $20 bills and freaked out and resisted.
At some point the majority of blame for what happened to him has to rest squarely on his own shoulders.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on August 10, 2020, 04:41:36 PM
Do we know the kneeling was a cause of death?


There were two independent autopsies.

Hennepin County ME said:

Quote
cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.

The private ME said:

Quote
mechanical asphyxiation from sustained pressure

I personally feel safe assuming that whatever else he had in his system, absent the knee on his neck, he would have survived at least that day.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on August 10, 2020, 04:54:15 PM
Perhaps this will be the straw that breaks the back of qualified immunity.  "Just following orders" wasn't good enough for the Nazis, and it's not good enough for our military, but it's more than enough for the police and that needs to change.

Have I done the "Hangin's too good for him" thing yet?  I still believe that, but I also now think he'll walk, and might even be reinstated.  Maybe rioters will burn down city hall, or the capitol building :)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on August 10, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
There were two independent autopsies.

Hennepin County ME said:

The private ME said:

I personally feel safe assuming that whatever else he had in his system, absent the knee on his neck, he would have survived at least that day.

As the article explained, the private M.E. has credibility issues and I'm sure the defense will have their own M.E. report that refutes the kneeling hypothesis. So, for the jury those might cancel.

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on August 26, 2020, 02:25:44 AM
https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system

Quote
In one memorandum filed May 26 after a virtual meeting with Baker, the Attorney’s Office said Baker concluded, “The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.” 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Now if they comment suicide RIOT!

Quote
    Police say a suspect in a Wednesday afternoon homicide fatally shot himself in downtown Minneapolis as officers closed in.

    The suspect, who was wanted in the slaying of a man in a downtown parking garage, was on foot on Nicollet Mall between 8th and 9th street at 6 p.m. when police pulled up and he shot himself in the head, according to spokesman John Elder.

    “There is no question that this was a suicide and we will be releasing the video to answer any question of that,” Elder said. Several bystanders were present at the time of the shooting, he said.

    …

    News of the death drew a large crowd of people. Tensions were rising, including the smashing of windows downtown. Metro Transit was ending light-rail service at U.S. Bank Stadium.

Looting breaks out in Minneapolis after black homicide suspect shoots himself as police approach
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/26/looting-breaks-out-in-minneapolis-after-black-homicide-suspect-shoots-himself-as-police-approach/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on August 28, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
Seems like this should be worth getting shot for. That steel plate sounded heavy. The helmet may have saved the cop's life. But hey, Captain America!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/28/captain-america-has-been-blowing-up-twitter-thanks-to-this-act-of-evil-by-a-minneapolis-rioter-video/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on August 28, 2020, 01:59:45 PM
Seems like this should be worth getting shot for. That steel plate sounded heavy. The helmet may have saved the cop's life. But hey, Captain America!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/28/captain-america-has-been-blowing-up-twitter-thanks-to-this-act-of-evil-by-a-minneapolis-rioter-video/

Actually I'm amazed at how well he aimed that
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2020, 11:41:50 PM
Do we know the kneeling was a cause of death?

There's a chance that the COD was Floyd's condition. That alone should be reasonable doubt.

What I'd like to see is some statistics on this restraint method. How many times has it been used versus how many people have died under it.

Because if the number of deaths is a very small percentage than that would point to Floyd's death being bad luck rather than the results of depraved actions by the officers.

That's because the officers would have been trained in a technique that has been shown to work the vast majority of the time and so why shouldn't they use it in this instance? Are they expected to come up with a different method on-the-fly?

And what if they didn't restrain him and he thrashed around such that he banged his head and that looked like it resulted in his death. The officers would still be blamed for that outcome. Maybe not charged with murder, but still blamed.

And maybe that would have been for the best because maybe we wouldn't have gotten these riots as a result.
You mention reasonable doubt.  I think there is plenty of that so far to rule out murder or manslaughter as a verdict.  Doesn't mean guilty verdict won't happen, but think it is there.  You might make a case for depraved indifference which I heard was component of manslaughter, but I don't know if the depraved part fits with the whole incident. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1301267178470232065
Saw this today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg8Hlv4XsAAhD5p?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on September 03, 2020, 12:29:13 AM
The riots when he gets charges dismissed or an acquittal will be worse than anything else we've seen yet.

I also expect to see a substantial amount of violence against random white people by blacks.  "Revenge" for George Floyd or something as a justification.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on September 03, 2020, 12:38:07 AM
The riots when he gets charges dismissed or an acquittal will be worse than anything else we've seen yet.

I also expect to see a substantial amount of violence against random white people by blacks.  "Revenge" for George Floyd or something as a justification.
That certainly could happen.  Too many people have convinced themselves of their opinion and won't change it no matter what evidence they see. 
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on September 03, 2020, 12:47:44 AM
I also expect to see a substantial amount of violence against random white people by blacks.  "Revenge" for George Floyd or something as a justification.

Already started. Black guy stabbed a white autozone employee in the neck for "payback."

The evil people pushing this hoax1 have no idea the fire they are playing with.

Well, most of them don't. Some of them actually do want a race war, but that won't work out how they want either.



1: the "it's open season on black people! They're being murdered (by whites) just for being black!" hoax.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on September 03, 2020, 01:07:36 AM
Already started. Black guy stabbed a white autozone employee in the neck for "payback."


https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/12/black-man-shoots-5-year-old-in-the-head-point-blank-but-the-race-obsessed-media-dont-care/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on September 04, 2020, 01:44:20 PM
Wow, that image of the police training is interesting.

So... how do you restrain a huge strong man who is high as a kite without the risk of injuring him?   ???

It seems like any time you forcibly pin someone down there is a risk of them dying (of a heart attack, like Eric Garner, who was dogpiled, or Tony Timpa who had a knee on his back) or suffocation.  Most of the time, the person survives, obviously, but is it possible to restrain people with zero risk?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on September 04, 2020, 02:34:18 PM
Wow, that image of the police training is interesting.

So... how do you restrain a huge strong man who is high as a kite without the risk of injuring him?   ???

It seems like any time you forcibly pin someone down there is a risk of them dying (of a heart attack, like Eric Garner, who was dogpiled, or Tony Timpa who had a knee on his back) or suffocation.  Most of the time, the person survives, obviously, but is it possible to restrain people with zero risk?
I don't think so. 

As they found out in New York a few years back, even if they stuff them in paddy wagon the suspect can still manage to break their neck.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Pb on September 04, 2020, 06:04:06 PM
If you dog pile them, they may die...

if you put you knee on the side of their neck, they may die...

If you put your knee on their neck, they may die...

so what do you do?   ???
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on September 04, 2020, 07:11:39 PM
I don't think so. 

As they found out in New York a few years back, even if they stuff them in paddy wagon the suspect can still manage to break their neck.

Baltimore. But point taken.

Anytime someone resists arrest there is a chance of death.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ron on September 04, 2020, 09:28:46 PM
Sometimes you can't keep them alive if you wanted to, due to their having four times the lethal dose of fentanil in their system.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: French G. on September 04, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
If you dog pile them, they may die...

if you put you knee on the side of their neck, they may die...

If you put your knee on their neck, they may die...

so what do you do?   ???

Let Officer Chompy make all the arrests? Mind you, I don't even really like cops but I am right back to where I was with Ferguson, cheering for them.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
I'm just going to leave this here. 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/09/15/with-violent-crime-on-the-rise-in-mpls-city-council-asks-where-are-the-police

Quote
For his part, [Police Chief] Arradondo told council members that the department has instituted several measures, including adding more officers to patrol and investigative duties and cracking down on robberies.

But council members told Arradondo that residents are hearing a different message from officers.

Council President Lisa Bender, who was among those leading the call to overhaul the department, suggested that officers were being defiant. Her constituents say officers on the street have admitted that they’re purposely not arresting people who are committing crimes.

Politics aside, human nature is only going to allow folks get *expletive deleted*it on so much.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: K Frame on September 16, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
" Her constituents say officers on the street have admitted that they’re purposely not arresting people who are committing crimes."

Why TF should they go through all of the hassle of arresting people for committing a crime when the prosecutor's office has pretty much thrown up their hands and are refusing to actually do their jobs?

I can't blame the police one bit if they're not arresting people for anything other than major criminal violations.

Who wants to get screamed at for 8 hours in a shift (if not longer), spend a couple hours processing someone and filing the required paperwork, only to have the prosecutors fail to uphold their responsibilities?
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on September 24, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
https://www.startribune.com/police-suspected-arson-levels-garage-at-home-with-trump-2020-flags/572507431/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: TechMan on September 24, 2020, 04:26:59 PM
https://www.startribune.com/police-suspected-arson-levels-garage-at-home-with-trump-2020-flags/572507431/

I have my doubts about who started that fire.  Who the F is going to spray paint Biden 2020 on a garage that they are going to burn down.  Also, the husband was finishing up a COVID quarantine but was out 10 days ago when he had the troubling experience.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on September 24, 2020, 04:30:38 PM
I have my doubts about who started that fire.  Who the F is going to spray paint Biden 2020 on a garage that they are going to burn down.  Also, the husband was finishing up a COVID quarantine but was out 10 days ago when he had the troubling experience.
I had the same feeling.  The anarchist A is also messed up.
Reminds me of the fake hate crimes where the swastikas get painted on backward.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 24, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
A friend pointed out that some insurance companies have "civil unrest" clauses in their policies and won't pay for something like this.  So if the owner did it for the insurance money ...

Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: cordex on September 24, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
A friend pointed out that some insurance companies have "civil unrest" clauses in their policies and won't pay for something like this.  So if the owner did it for the insurance money ...
I wonder if isolated cases of arson separate from active civil unrest still count?
The "hoax hate" cases are often for the crowdfunded money.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: makattak on September 24, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
I have my doubts about who started that fire.  Who the F is going to spray paint Biden 2020 on a garage that they are going to burn down.  Also, the husband was finishing up a COVID quarantine but was out 10 days ago when he had the troubling experience.

In defense of the family "about 10 days ago" might mean 14...

We'll see what the police investigation finds.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on October 07, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Chauvin is out on bail. He better be a world champion at hide and go seek.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/10/07/former-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-charged-in-george-floyds-death-expected-to-post-bail-source-says/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on October 07, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
I'll be in the bunker

(https://media.tenor.com/images/193d61c0b9be3746ace5e7ca81b5c0ec/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: charby on October 07, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
National Guard has been activated by the MN governor for the Twin Cities.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on October 07, 2020, 09:34:34 PM
Holy hell, they actually think feel charges have been dropped.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on October 07, 2020, 11:01:57 PM
Holy hell, they actually think feel charges have been dropped.

Never mind, different case

Quote
We learned today that a police officer in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, will not face charges in the fatal shooting of a 17-year-old named Alvin Cole. The Milwaukee district attorney wrote a letter to the police chief saying there was sufficient evidence that Joseph Mensah believed deadly force was necessary. For what it’s worth, Cole and Mensah are both black.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/07/rioters-in-wauwatosa-wi-smashing-the-windows-of-homes-after-police-officer-escapes-charges-in-fatal-shooting/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on October 08, 2020, 12:06:38 AM
Never mind, different case
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/07/rioters-in-wauwatosa-wi-smashing-the-windows-of-homes-after-police-officer-escapes-charges-in-fatal-shooting/

You knew this was coming:

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1314047138519674882
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: bedlamite on February 14, 2021, 06:20:21 PM
I think we all knew how this would turn out after cutting the budget last year:

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-to-spend-6-4-million-to-hire-more-police/600022400/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
So if they find the officer not guilty does the city gets it's money back?
Yes I know the answer to that.


Quote
The city of Minneapolis on Friday agreed to pay $27 million to settle a civil lawsuit from George Floyd’s family over his death in police custody, even as jury selection continued in a former officer’s murder trial.

Minneapolis to pay $27 million to settle Floyd family lawsuit
https://www.wlky.com/article/minneapolis-to-pay-27m-to-settle-floyd-family-lawsuit/35824038
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on March 12, 2021, 03:07:28 PM
The judge has agreed to let the prosecution to proceed with 3rd degree murder charges against Officer Chauvin.  We established a year ago that the MN statute for 3rd degree murder doesn't fit; there is case law with similar charges being dismissed.  (IIRC, it's because the depraved indifference or whatever they call it was not directed at the public at large, but at a specific individual; that ups the degree)


On the comments section of a local TV station website I mentioned that the fix is in; the prosecutors are trying to give the jury an intermediate charge to convict him with, knowing it will be thrown out on appeal.  I'm getting lots of down-votes for that.  =D [size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 25, 2021, 04:42:08 PM
Sentence just handed down for Chauvin: 22 1/2 years.  I think he ultimately deserves more than that, but also he did not receive a fair trial. If there's any justice the conviction will be thrown-out on appeal.  Then (if he lives that long) the feds can have a go at it.

I am not optimistic about the justice part.

What's that weird 78% thing in my previous post? I didn't notice that before.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2021, 05:59:47 PM
Wait - so the sentence was for 12.5 years but because of "cruelty" the judge apparently added ten more years to his sentence?

I mean, the guy is guilty of something, but this whole "second degree + third degree + manslaughter" thing already rubs me the wrong way regarding just and fair punishment. The extra ten years sounds a little like mob appeasement to me.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: just Warren on June 25, 2021, 07:26:09 PM
I'm no Chauvinist and I'm not the biggest fan of cops around here but I think he got a raw deal.

He did what he was trained to do, didn't do what he was accused of and got thrown under a very large bus for acting according to policy by the people who made the policy.

And got an unfair trail in addition.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: sumpnz on June 25, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
I'm no Chauvinist and I'm not the biggest fan of cops around here but I think he got a raw deal.

He did what he was trained to do, didn't do what he was accused of and got thrown under a very large bus for acting according to policy by the people who made the policy.

And got an unfair trail in addition.

My thoughts almost exactly.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: zxcvbob on June 25, 2021, 08:36:26 PM
I'm no Chauvinist and I'm not the biggest fan of cops around here but I think he got a raw deal.

He did what he was trained to do, didn't do what he was accused of and got thrown under a very large bus for acting according to policy by the people who made the policy.

And got an unfair trail in addition.

I don't disagree with that.  I think he murdered Floyd, but I can't figure out what the motive was.  I don't think it was racism.  Perhaps he was taking a knee for Kaepernick?  Or the first 30 seconds or so were justified, then the crowd told him to get off and he was professionally obligated to say FU to them?  I dunno.  But if they give him the needle, I won't lose any sleep over it if it's a fair trial.  (the feds won't go that far even tho' it's on the table, but they might give him life)
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 25, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
I don't disagree with that.  I think he murdered Floyd, but I can't figure out what the motive was.

Early on, I saw a couple of articles that mentioned Chauvin and Floyd had a history. Apparently they had both worked as bouncers at the same club, and didn't get along.

I haven't seen references to that more recently, and I don't know if it's true.
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on October 25, 2021, 11:33:03 PM
Speaking of Minneapolis police

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Mike Berg
@MikeKBerg
Ilhan Omar accuses police of not fulfilling their oath of office and blames them for the rise in violent crime in Minneapolis.

 :facepalm:
Ilhan Omar, taking Gaslighting to a whole new level

video at the link
https://twitter.com/MikeKBerg/status/1452727174423891975
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: WLJ on May 24, 2022, 10:43:52 AM
When they can't keep their narratives straight

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTfQr9aXEAAmqsu?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1528926438447009794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1528926438447009794%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Ffoundersgirl-313133%2F2022%2F05%2F24%2Fsometimes-its-hard-to-keep-the-narrative-straight-and-it-shows-headline-inaccurately-states-george-floyd-was-shot-in-police-custody%2F


Sometimes it’s hard to keep the narrative straight and it shows – headline inaccurately states George Floyd was shot in police custody
https://twitchy.com/foundersgirl-313133/2022/05/24/sometimes-its-hard-to-keep-the-narrative-straight-and-it-shows-headline-inaccurately-states-george-floyd-was-shot-in-police-custody/
Title: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
Post by: MechAg94 on May 24, 2022, 11:29:26 AM
Overdosed, shot, ...what difference now does it make?