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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on June 10, 2020, 06:09:00 PM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/10/874393049/nascar-bans-confederate-flag?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1nJQLwnNN3mnTEslWoDxCGucnWN_uw2DSDUNEVA4tVUJ2MSc2OQhTbXQM&fbclid=IwAR2w8wTXXdZPRSQDEkQ1SU4OJ0v8bBh1rJ5J05tvTu0mu2WStkUqPxLaVsw&fbclid=IwAR37VVBZfEA15P-EiScU02_nYmVtF-j7B_dSnysoY3QcfohdCPWf1T_i9UE&fbclid=IwAR2-khjigsjIM_8w-DDMcBw2sI1lIsx6qHNa6nuAl5vgsiGuTiIOIJkDMzU&fbclid=IwAR0-6CamNDXbaqZBKL5PZ5PGXMOhAU9QAzKsJ3PJKs5dMR1fW8wlyLMguGo
The 'heritage, not hate' people are not going to like this.
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Nascar cucked years ago.
It's a dead man walking it just doesn't care that it's dead yet.
There are unfortunately years of zombie Nascar left.
Every couple of years they will come up with a new way to humiliate their fan base.
Maybe a transsexual champion who can hold the "Official NASCAR Transsexual Racing Story Hour" for children in the off season will be next.
CNN and The Atlantic can be new car sponsors along with the SPLC and ACLU.
The possibilities for humiliations are endless.
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They also decided to allow protests (meaning, I assume, "the knee") during the playing of the National Anthem.
NASCAR can't get any deader than it already was for me but, if it hadn't already been dead for me, this would put the nail in the coffin.
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Good luck with that :cool:
NASCAR is full of *let's not go there* to be sure, but they've picked a fight they have no chance of winning here. No Stars and Bars down south, at the track campgrounds? Good luck.
This is actually a positive. It's high time that the average redneck figures out that the powers that be despise him.
Jesus Christ, the forum AI is now censoring C U C K ?
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the forum AI is now censoring C U C K ?
I'd bet some guy with ADMIN in his title got his or her knickers in a twist and added it tot he list :rofl:
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I'd bet some guy with ADMIN in his title got his or her knickers in a twist and added it tot he list :rofl:
Yeah I'm no stranger to that here. Begs the question who's ox was personally gored...
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https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/06/10/nascar-to-allow-peaceful-protests-during-national-anthem/
NASCAR eliminated the guidelines before last weekend’s race at Atlanta Motor Speedway. NASCAR official Kirk Price kneeled during the invocation and raised a fist. Price, who served on active duty in the U.S. Army for three years, remained kneeling during the anthem while he saluted the flag.
Bubba Wallace praised Price in an interview this week on CNN.
“If I would have seen it, I would have went there and stood next to him, kneeled next to him because it’s such a powerful move,” said Wallace, the lone black driver competing in NASCAR’s top series. “A man, an incredible man, who has served our country, kneeling down. People think it’s disrespecting the flag and going against our military, and it’s definitely not.
“I was so uneducated what the kneeling meant when it started but now reading about it and what it stands for … and I’m still doing a lot of learning myself, don’t get me wrong, I don’t know everything about what’s going on in the world but that’s what we are trying to deliver the message. Listen and learn to be able to better educate ourselves.”
I don't care what Bubba or Price or Drew Brees or anybody else thinks kneeling for the National Anthem means. It IS disrespecting the flag. End of discussion.
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Although we may all agree it is disrespecting the flag, we would likely also agree that he has a Constitutional right to do it. As is so often the case however, because you have the legal right to do something does not mean that everyone is going to like or support your actions.
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Although we may all agree it is disrespecting the flag, we would likely also agree that he has a Constitutional right to do it.
... and we have the Constitutional right to express our displeasure.
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Manufactured controversy. They are tearing down a statue in Portsmouth, VA tonight. I think that some level of remembrance here in the south is appropriate. I know that renaming Lee chapel where the man is buried was not appropriate.
Even on this board there is a lot of hate the south rhetoric. Sorry y'all. My family owned slaves like seven generations ago. We were in the war, still have Bank of Richmond money brand new in the photo album. I have never owned or displayed a confederate flag, never will. I am most certainly not guilty about being white or from here. My take on the war, the south fought to preserve slavery, the north to subjugate the states to the federal. The end of slavery was good, but probably coming soon anyway if you look at industrialization and the rest of the nations that abolished slavery without a war. The industrial north did not and would not deal fairly with the south, it very much mimics our modern urban/rural divide. The north by and large didn't give a crap about slavery, so I tire of the noble rhetoric. They just shipped them north after the war and made slavery by another name. Sadly, our current state of affairs came from the wrong result of the war. The end of slavery was not worth the eternal subjugation of the states to the federal. It had until then been an open question of states vs. federal. And an idea that a state that freely entered a union could leave it.
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... and we have the Constitutional right to express our displeasure.
Exactly so.
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The north by and large didn't give a crap about slavery, so I tire of the noble rhetoric. They just shipped them north after the war and made slavery by another name.
North and South both wanted their social and economic system to prevail in their home states, and out West. So the North cared very much about containing slavery. Wasn't noble, really, but people care about their perceived self-interest.
Then, of course, you did have people that abhorred slavery on moral grounds. We tend to dismiss that today, because some of those people were racists, so we think they're hypocrites. Turns out you don't have to believe in racial equality to think slavery is wrong. Still, it seems more "noble" than supporting racism and slavery.
As for shipping them north, and slavery by another name, what do you mean?
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Although we may all agree it is disrespecting the flag, we would likely also agree that he has a Constitutional right to do it. As is so often the case however, because you have the legal right to do something does not mean that everyone is going to like or support your actions.
Having a Constitutional right to do it means the government can't punish him for doing it. It doesn't man that private organizations cannot prohibit him from doing it.
Heck the Constitution also doesn't allow the government to ban displays of the Confederate battle flag, but you don't hear the .gov telling NASCAR they can't ban it.
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Just saw a comment elsewhere that is too funny not to share:
"Of course NASCAR went full woke. All those guys do is turn left."
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If I ever tailgate a NASCAR event, I'm flying a 36 star Old Glory..
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There was a flag the Confederacy had at the very end that NASCAR still uses...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/SCCA_Atlanta_Nationals_white_flag.jpg)
Bajillion pixel image debigified by APS staff. :)
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If I ever tailgate a NASCAR event, I'm flying a 36 star Old Glory..
You could fly an 18 starred flag and absolutely no one would get the reference.
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Redacted.
The old Biggest Image in the World flag.
The pixels you save may be your own.
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You could fly an 18 starred flag and absolutely no one would get the reference.
I don't get Louisiana admission as a state reference either.
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I don't get Louisiana admission as a state reference either.
https://historicalamericana.com/product/rare-civil-war-18-star-succession-sympathy-flag/
(and I have to note the irony that they misspelled "secession" in the url)
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https://historicalamericana.com/product/rare-civil-war-18-star-succession-sympathy-flag/
(and I have to note the irony that they misspelled "secession" in the url)
Thanks, learned something new today
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There was a flag the Confederacy had at the very end that NASCAR still uses...
(Bajillion pixel image debigified by APS staff. :)
Stealing
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https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Fewer-Confederate-flags-fans-present-at-Talladega-15355702.php
Look up, and you might spot a plane pulling a banner of the Southern symbol, now banned from being displayed inside race tracks, with the words “Defund NASCAR”
The Confederate flags that once flew openly around the infield and stands are still for sale across the street. NASCAR hasn't disclosed how it will handle fans flying flags.
So lots of Confederate battle flags right outside the event.
I wonder how they would react to a fan waving the Stars and Bars, or the Bonnie Blue flag.
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NASCAR is dying on the vine anyway. Even before all this Kung Flu mess the stands had a LOT of empty seats if you paid attention during the races.
They keep changing the rules and format every few years and the drivers that most fans grew up with are retiring. Plus like football they like to tack on penalties/fines for stupid *expletive deleted*it.
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It's been WWF for at least a decade if not all along.
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NASCAR is dying on the vine anyway. Even before all this Kung Flu mess the stands had a LOT of empty seats if you paid attention during the races.
They keep changing the rules and format every few years and the drivers that most fans grew up with are retiring. Plus like football they like to tack on penalties/fines for stupid *expletive deleted*it.
If you pay lots of attention they have been removing stands at many tracks for at least ten years. And they curate those camera shots, tight don't show the stands. Bubba, Chris Bell, and Kyle Larson were the only reason to even check in on it for me, and they ruined that. Kyle Larson way more fun to follow now that he is back where he belongs, I think he is on something like eight straight Outlaws wins in a sprint. Nascar doesn't deserve Larson and Bell.
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https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
So the black driver that called for banning of the confederate flag has a noose show up in his garage.
I haven't been following this enough to know there was a black nascar driver in the first place, but for said driver to join that particular sport and then whine about a popular symbol within the fandom? It's like a vegan going to a bbq and whining about the menu.
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Can't stop the (Dixie) signal... apparently. :lol:
https://www.al.com/news/2020/06/plane-protesting-nascar-flies-confederate-flag-above-talladega.html
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I lost all interest in NASCAR when the cars stopped having any real relationship with street cars some time ago. Can't even tell them apart nowadays. If not for a logo hidden among sponsor stickers I can't tell which one is a Ford, GM, Toyoda, etc....
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https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
So the black driver that called for banning of the confederate flag has a noose show up in his garage.
I haven't been following this enough to know there was a black nascar driver in the first place, but for said driver to join that particular sport and then whine about a popular symbol within the fandom? It's like a vegan going to a bbq and whining about the menu.
Once again my default opinion on this is "hoax/false flag"
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Once again my default opinion on this is "hoax/false flag"
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Same, but he is not a whiner, decent guy. I suspect NASCAR or some other deep pocket is paying him to push the BLM stuff, he certainly isn't doing it for free. It costs 30-50K to get a second tier NASCAR driver to show up to a short track, do a meet and greet and maybe drive a furnished car. Everything is scripted.
Bubba is also the one that was called a racial derogatory by Kyle Larson, apparently a regular thing between them since they were syncing up online for Wallace to be Larson's spotter in a video game. Nevermind the sheer lunacy of a sport where even the video games come with spotters. Liven it up a bit, ditch the spotter and go for a rally co-driver instead. Plot twist, he is also the entire pit crew.
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Hmmm
#nascarnoose solved. These images are all from the garages at Talladega SuperSpeedway.
Image 1 shows rope “nooses” are affixed to every garage bay door as a pull down.
Image 2 shows Bubba’s bay 4 in Nov. 2019.
Image 3 is of bay 4 after the incident. Notice the rope is cut. pic.twitter.com/2rHdSdgtOo
— James (@JamesEBeatty) June 23, 2020
NASCAR needs to respond to these photos suggesting the Bubba Wallace ‘noose’ was really just a rope used to close the garage door
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/23/nascar-needs-to-respond-to-these-photos-suggesting-the-bubba-wallace-noose-was-really-just-a-rope-used-to-close-the-garage-door/
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Hmmm
NASCAR needs to respond to these photos suggesting the Bubba Wallace ‘noose’ was really just a rope used to close the garage door
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/23/nascar-needs-to-respond-to-these-photos-suggesting-the-bubba-wallace-noose-was-really-just-a-rope-used-to-close-the-garage-door/
Wow that is even dumber than I could have possibly imagined! [popcorn]
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Wow that is even dumber than I could have possibly imagined! [popcorn]
It took two left turns
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As a species I am afraid we are devolving back toward swamp muck. That is the only explanation for the stupidity happening now. :(
bob
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Hmmm
NASCAR needs to respond to these photos suggesting the Bubba Wallace ‘noose’ was really just a rope used to close the garage door
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/23/nascar-needs-to-respond-to-these-photos-suggesting-the-bubba-wallace-noose-was-really-just-a-rope-used-to-close-the-garage-door/
Maybe it was fake noose after all . . . .
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Maybe it was fake noose after all . . . .
Zing!
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You are all a bunch of meanies! Now back to the narrative
We're hearing from Bubba Wallace and NASCAR people that it's offensive and hurtful that anyone would question the veracity of the noose claim. Yet these people have the power to dispel the theory and embarrass those who advance it simply by showing us the noose, but refuse. Weird
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 23, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/23/nascar-and-bubba-wallace-people-claim-its-offensive-and-hurtful-to-question-noose-claim-theres-still-just-1-big-problem/
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No mention of it being a garage door pull rope and that that all the other garages have one just like it just that it had been there for awhile. I think they're embarrassed by how stupid this whole incident makes them look and are trying to sweep it under the rug. But I'm sure in the meantime this isn't going to stop the mob from continuing to protest over the "noose".
The noose found hanging in Bubba Wallace's garage stall at Talladega Superspeedway had been there since at least last October, federal authorities said Tuesday in announcing there will be no charges filed.
U.S. Attorney Jay Town and FBI Special Agent in Charge Johnnie Sharp Jr. said its investigation determined “although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.”
No charges in NASCAR noose incident involving Black driver
https://www.wdrb.com/sports/no-charges-in-nascar-noose-incident-involving-black-driver/article_ee25657d-b4d0-5111-8cae-734585bd917b.html
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Not a NASCAR fan, but I'm disappointed with how fast they allowed another man to sleep with their wives on this.
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Jesus H Christ. We had to use FBI resources and likely $100,000 or more in tax dollars to identify a garage door pull rope?
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... but it validates Bubba Wallace's feelings, so it was totally worth it.
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Jesus H Christ. We had to use FBI resources and likely $100,000 or more in tax dollars to identify a garage door pull rope?
The "fact" that no charges are being pressed will forever be proof of how ingrained racism is in NASCAR and how the system is against the black man and will be brought up over and over again. Of that I have no doubt.
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Now the question is will Bubba Wallace say whoops and move on or will he continue the charade? You know there probably are people egging him on to do the latter.
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So are there any pictures of the noose? Was it a classic noose with a 13 loop hangman's knot, or was it a loop with a taut line hitch of a few coils? Because I have to tell you, I tie a taut line hitch all the time in a length of line that I have to adjust. But I would never call that a noose.
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I can't take credit for this
Bubba Smollet
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Not only was there a "noose", but someone reported finding a burnt cross in the garage:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/01175429-5aaf-4cb3-896a-e8cea61a434f_1.d19d288a3ed88353ece4afee3b70495b.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=ffffff)
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So are there any pictures of the noose? Was it a classic noose with a 13 loop hangman's knot, or was it a loop with a taut line hitch of a few coils? Because I have to tell you, I tie a taut line hitch all the time in a length of line that I have to adjust. But I would never call that a noose.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMXowJXgAEVXSH?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMXowHXgAIrTRM?format=jpg&name=small)
My guess is a surgeons knot. Quick, easy, and makes a loop that won't pull tight. Good for a handle on a rope used to pull down a garage door.
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Now the question is will Bubba Wallace say whoops and move on or will he continue the charade? You know there probably are people egging him on to do the latter.
Well I guess this answers that
‘He’s lost all credibility’: Bubba Wallace doubles down on the ‘straight-up noose’ in interview with Don Lemon
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/24/hes-lost-all-credibility-bubba-wallace-doubles-down-on-the-straight-up-noose-in-interview-with-don-lemon/
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My guess is a surgeons knot. Quick, easy, and makes a loop that won't pull tight. Good for a handle on a rope used to pull down a garage door.
Surgeons - mainly wealthy, elite, straight, white men. So triggered right now.
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Enter Al Sharpton
Sharpton not ready to give up on the NASCAR “noose” story: "It’s clear what a noose represents … And then did someone know that it was in the stall when they did belatedly assign Bubba there? … I do not think that we’ve seen closure in this particular inquiry." pic.twitter.com/xzq5hQIWC5
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) June 24, 2020
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/24/charles-c-w-cooke-calls-out-al-sharpton-for-floating-new-conspiracy-theory-on-bubba-wallace-and-the-noose/
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Bubba Wallace just released a new statement concerning the noose. His mea culpa is a little late, but better than never.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/24/bubba-wallace-releases-new-statement-did-he-finally-get-the-tone-right/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/06/24/bubba-wallace-releases-new-statement-did-he-finally-get-the-tone-right/)
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I zoomed way in on the first pic. It vaguely resembles a noose, but that's not anywhere near 13 turns; maybe about 3 or 4. And the standing end is coming out in the the wrong place for a hangman's knot. I'd bet it's a totally different knot.
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Now lets see if Sharpton lets it go
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"Just saw a comment elsewhere that is too funny not to share:
'Of course NASCAR went full woke. All those guys do is turn left.' "
Now that was funny. See my avatar:
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So how much coverage is this noose (even if the Klan put it there) getting, vs the white dude that got beat up at Macy's?
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So how much coverage is this noose (even if the Klan put it there) getting, vs the white dude that got beat up at Macy's?
What white guy that got beat up at Macy's?
And the fact that I'm seriously asking and NOT being facetious proves your point.
Oh, and also they beat up a gay senator in Wisconsin, which would be non-stop 24/7 news for the next few days and calling for heads to roll if the Proud Boys did it. In this case, the crowd just got a little overenthusiastic. *expletive deleted*it happens when you're fighting The Man, man.
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I liked Wallace as a driver, may have to sit on that for awhile and see how it ages. So Nascrap, how's that whole drive for diversity thing going? Last three months you fired one of the recruits for using a slur(Larson) towards another driver(Wallace) in a familiar and friendly manner, another lost his sponsor for a (justified) rage quit of a video game(Wallace), and now the same one can't stay out of the spotlight.
Despite being born into the open wheel racing world and loving Kyle Larson I had no idea, until Nascrap told me, that he was part Jap. It really never occurred to us rednecks to worry about what he was besides fast. Kinda explains some of those banzai moves though. If you see him tying on that rag before he puts the helmet on, look out. =D
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Nascrap is pretty good term. Give me one for NHRA.
I have built engines or worked on blocks, cranks, rods and other components up to Top Fuel in drag racing and ARCA in turn left since the '80's. They all lost me when they went to countdowns and the other crap.
But I still love to build an engine.
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What white guy that got beat up at Macy's?
This white guy:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/06/21/macys-says-employee-attacked-by-black-man-never-said-the-nword-n2571032
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Man Horrified As Kids Give Him Noose For Father's Day
https://babylonbee.com/news/man-horrified-as-kids-give-him-noose-for-fathers-day?utm_content=buffer7cfab&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
"I was literally shaking," Carson, a white progressive, said. "It was a clear message, plain and simple: we hate you because of your skin color. Well, I mean, not my skin color. But I'm offended on behalf of some people somewhere who might have been offended by this."
(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6428-2.jpg)
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I was a proper noose. I don't blame Wallace for his reaction at all.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/1862/1048/noose-nascar.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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^^^ Oh, wow. That puts a different spin on things.
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^^^ Oh, wow. That puts a different spin on things.
I don't think it does, or at least not much of one. You still don't need 15 FBI agents to investigate something like that. Unless it's what the FBI does for anyone, regardless of color or other diversity indicator.
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I was a proper noose. I don't blame Wallace for his reaction at all.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage
That does look like a noose. However, it sounds like it had been there for months and wasn't put there just for that driver.
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Waaaaay back in grade school there was this kid that made nooses out of whatever string or whatever he could get ahold of.
All the cords for the blinds ended in nooses, anything with a drawstring...noosed! String used in an activity...noosed!
When a friend of mine came home from either Basic or Jump School he went around tying prussic knots in everything.
So there are people that just do that sort of thing.
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If it is a proper, working noose I'm surprised nobody got their hand caught in it. Is it possible it's been tied in such a way to avoid sliding?
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If it is a proper, working noose I'm surprised nobody got their hand caught in it. Is it possible it's been tied in such a way to avoid sliding?
A proper noose slides both ways.
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A proper noose slides both ways.
Right. And if it was tied in such a way that it couldn't slide it wouldn't be a proper noose. I could see someone tying a knot that looks like a noose but would still work as a handle. And if nobody got their hand caught in it since last year, when this photo was supposedly taken, it seems likely it's just a macabre door pull. Kind of like putting a skull pull chain on a ceiling fan.
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I can see where having a noose in a small rope such as a garage pull would be handy. Either grab by the loop or wrap your hand around the top portion of the knot and have your thumb and forefinger on the small cord to prevent slipping (if it does) to give a better purchase on the rope. Am I a racist now that I see where a noose may be just fine?
The Hangman's noose is known for its strength under heavy weights and sudden movements, making it a good hook in an emergency.
While we all know this what I found interesting was the numbers for suicide lines under this on the web page on how to tie the knot. I have seen more suicide by hanging than most and I don't ever recall anyone taking time to tie a proper noose. Usually just a quick slip knot.
https://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Hangman%27s-Noose
bob
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...it seems likely it's just a macabre door pull.
That's obviously what it was.
No one seems interested in talking about the ill effects of the white supremacy mythologizing that's been going on the past few years, which has intensified for the past month. We have an adult NASCAR driver, and the rest of the organization, going into alarm mode over a rope tied into noose. Without the hysteria, they wouldn't have involved the police, much less the Feds.
I worry about what this moral panic is doing to young people.
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Good thing they didn't find a banana peel
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That does look like a noose. However, it sounds like it had been there for months and wasn't put there just for that driver.
"NASCAR has released the first official image of the garage door pull-rope fashioned into a noose-style knot that was found in Bubba Wallace’s garage at Talladega Superspeedway on Sunday and said that an internal investigation determined it was the only one present at any of the 29 tracks it visits."
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage
That info is a bit more damning.
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A picture with no identifying info on when or where other than from NASCAR..... not saying they would fabricate this but I wouldn't put it past them. There for 15 minutes or so NASCAR *almost* became relevant in the national scheme of things. Had they released the picture immediately it would have been much more believable to me.
bob
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https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/ap_news/washington/boeing-investigating-racist-incident-at-everett-plant/article_d15dd9c8-c024-540f-b0d2-e3e75b0e9456.html
And in other noose news, a Black manager at Boeing in Everett found a noose on his desk. The linked article does not specify what it was, but other local media say it was a noose.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMXowJXgAEVXSH?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMXowHXgAIrTRM?format=jpg&name=small)
My guess is a surgeons knot. Quick, easy, and makes a loop that won't pull tight. Good for a handle on a rope used to pull down a garage door.
These photos were posted on the previous page. Do these look the same? The first picture does not, but the one does. Not sure if that is the same location though.
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A picture with no identifying info on when or where other than from NASCAR..... not saying they would fabricate this but I wouldn't put it past them. There for 15 minutes or so NASCAR *almost* became relevant in the national scheme of things. Had they released the picture immediately it would have been much more believable to me.
bob
Same. it's like plot armor for this whole farce.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbMXowHXgAIrTRM?format=jpg&name=small)
These photos were posted on the previous page. Do these look the same? The first picture does not, but the one does. Not sure if that is the same location though.
A little deep into the whiskey to totally trust my judgement (this is my Saturday), but look at the orientation of the fluorescent lights in the two pictures (Nov va Jun). Left/right, front back. Or am I too buzzed?
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A little deep into the whiskey to totally trust my judgement (this is my Saturday), but look at the orientation of the fluorescent lights in the two pictures (Nov va Jun). Left/right, front back. Or am I too buzzed?
Or one set of lights is turned off in the second photo, but the light closer to the door (second photo) is not visible when the camera is placed further back (as in the first photo).
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Or one set of lights is turned off in the second photo, but the light closer to the door (second photo) is not visible when the camera is placed further back (as in the first photo).
Sounds possible. I'll read it again tomorrow and see what the sober me thinks.
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"Is it possible it's been tied in such a way to avoid sliding?"
That would be a bowline.
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On the other hand, the white supremacists gave him four brand new tires and a full tank of gas, so it's all good.
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I wonder which of all the competitors in NASCAR is the best race card driver?
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I wonder which of all the competitors in NASCAR is the best race card driver?
Took me a second! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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https://youtu.be/7YrpmcuSvJU
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I am pretty sure in this day and age Wallace faces not much trouble. Besides, he is like a computer generated nascrap name, you got a Bubba, a Wallace, and a Jr. I imagine Danica Patrick faced a lot more sexism but a lot of that came from being a whiny bitch that can't drive.
Wasn't always the case, the 80's had Willy T. Ribbs. He might have been okay being black, but he was always somewhat abrasive. At some point his pit crew pulled one of his front shocks off on a pit stop and sent him back out without it just to see if a little exercise would improve his demeanor. At Charlotte.
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Look at the wins by Antron Brown or Shirley in NHRA and NASCAR can kiss my ass.
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I like the fuel classes of drag racing and bikes. Everything else is boring as hell. For whatever reason drag racing has always had a more diverse crowd, probably from strong southern California roots.
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" Phelps said he is bothered that it hadn't registered with anyone sooner, but reconfirmed that Wallace's team had nothing to do with it, which has been alleged by some on social media."
Looked like a frivolous way to use up the extra rope length to avoid getting it tangled in stuff. I've used nooses even with long light bulb strings. Why? Just 'cause it's amusing and somewhat practical, not because of anything racist.
Of course nobody would have noticed it and clutched their pearls and headed toward the fainting couch over it before this particular riot cycle.
Damned Karens.
Damned oversensitive libtards.
Terry
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I guess the same people who think slavery always equals racism are the same people who think nooses always mean racist lynching.
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I guess the same people who think slavery always equals racism are the same people who think nooses always mean racist lynching.
Can you explain this a bit more?
It seems that in the US only black people were slaves. Is that not true?
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Can you explain this a bit more?
It seems that in the US only black people were slaves. Is that not true?
There are non black slaves in the US right now. It's still a problem.
True, they are illegal, but still in bondage.
Additionally, there were people of many races held in bondage during the time slavery was legal in the US, including white people. The majority of slaves in the US were African, and being of African decent tended to default one into slavery, at least in the south, but there were other enslaved folks here. It's an ugly period.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude_in_British_America
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And don't forget many native tribes held slave. Many of them white.
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Many, probably most abolitionists, even the ones who were abolitionists because they thought slavery was wrong, and who cared about the plight of the enslaved, were still flaming racists by modern standards. They would have agreed that slavery was wrong, and agreed that black people are above slavery, but a vanishing minority would have agreed that black people were equal to white people, or that they should be able to run for office, or that they should be able to marry white people, etc. The people that actually freed slaves in America would probably be cancelled or have their statues pulled down for racist things they said, if anyone cared to examine them. The abolitionists, as a whole, would definitely fail intersectionality. And this is another problem with retroactively judging people from the past by modern standards instead of respecting them as part of history.
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And don't forget many native tribes held slave. Many of them white.
More than just slaves. I've been reading accounts of the early 1800s over the last couple of years and had my eyes opened to the cruelty of Native Americans, who, including and maybe especially their women and children, took great pleasure in a variety of torture against white captives and captives from other tribes. Seems like reparations are in order, maybe via the casinos.
In fairness, white settlers also committed atrocities against the Indians, but that's kinda the point: these things are rarely a one way street. It wasn't white people capturing the majority of slaves that ended up on ships out of Africa.
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Also, a variety of articles on African slaves and where they went:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=who+captured+slaves+in+africa
A couple of snippets:
Slaves brought to the United States represented about 3.6 percent of the total number of Africans transported to the New World, or around 388,000 people—considerably less than the number transported to colonies in the Caribbean (including more than 1.2 million to Jamaica alone) or to Brazil (4.8 million).
According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves to North Africa
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In recent years, I have had some training on how to spot people being exploited for such things as sex trafficking, slavery, and involuntary servitude. The slavery/involuntary servitude is still very much a thing in the USA amongst certain communities and ethnic groupings, usually from Asian and Middle Eastern countries.
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We've had a number of those cases here in the Washington, DC, area over the years, including one, IIRC, that involved a couple keeping at least 2 children (early teens) as house servants. IIRC, they *BOUGHT* the kids on a trip back to the homeland and brought them into the US on forged paperwork.
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In recent years, I have had some training on how to spot people being exploited for such things as sex trafficking, slavery, and involuntary servitude. The slavery/involuntary servitude is still very much a thing in the USA amongst certain communities and ethnic groupings, usually from Asian and Middle Eastern countries.
My recent (last 5 or 6 years) recurring training in Human Trafficking and how to spot it has seriously degraded what little faith in humanity I had left. Not just that it still happens, but how easy it is to spot indicators in certain cities, both in the mid east and in the US.
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We've had a number of those cases here in the Washington, DC, area over the years, including one, IIRC, that involved a couple keeping at least 2 children (early teens) as house servants. IIRC, they *BOUGHT* the kids on a trip back to the homeland and brought them into the US on forged paperwork.
There have been several such cases in the news over the past couple of years. IIRC, it's a "thing" in some of the tony Long Island communities.
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My recent (last 5 or 6 years) recurring training in Human Trafficking and how to spot it has seriously degraded what little faith in humanity I had left. Not just that it still happens, but how easy it is to spot indicators in certain cities, both in the mid east and in the US.
Can I ask- what are the indicators? ???
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Pb asked,
"Can I ask- what are the indicators?"
Ditto. Add me to the mailing list.
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No training but doing inhome service for the last twenty years has been an eye opener.
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Many, probably most abolitionists, even the ones who were abolitionists because they thought slavery was wrong, and who cared about the plight of the enslaved, were still flaming racists by modern standards. They would have agreed that slavery was wrong, and agreed that black people are above slavery, but a vanishing minority would have agreed that black people were equal to white people, or that they should be able to run for office, or that they should be able to marry white people, etc. The people that actually freed slaves in America would probably be cancelled or have their statues pulled down for racist things they said, if anyone cared to examine them. The abolitionists, as a whole, would definitely fail intersectionality.
This. We're shocked by the suggestion that Abe Lincoln was a racist, but it was not at all unusual for people at the time to be both racist, and anti-slavery. Turns out you can have a low opinion of a race of people, but still not want those people to be mistreated.
More than just slaves. I've been reading accounts of the early 1800s over the last couple of years and had my eyes opened to the cruelty of Native Americans, who, including and maybe especially their women and children, took great pleasure in a variety of torture against white captives and captives from other tribes. Seems like reparations are in order, maybe via the casinos.
In fairness, white settlers also committed atrocities against the Indians, but that's kinda the point: these things are rarely a one way street. It wasn't white people capturing the majority of slaves that ended up on ships out of Africa.
That, too.
To your other post, Ben, very few slaves taken from Africa went directly to the 13 colonies/the U.S. Most slaves brought into this country came from the West Indies.
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Can I ask- what are the indicators? ???
Ditto. Add me to the mailing list.
When dealing with folks that are obviously not from around where you are, (although, it probably holds true for folks more local as well) and in situations where you would expect different (Bartenders, waitresses, domestic workers, contracted workers in your company, stuff like that):
Showing signs of physical injuries, abuse or malnutrition (especially bruises in various stages of healing, indicating consistent injury over time)
Sticking to scripted or rehearsed responses
No ID or documents (sometimes hard to check for unless you are in an official capacity of some kind)
Living at the job
Living in small apartments with a lot of co-workers
Working stupid long hours
Tattoos and/or branding (especially if all the workers/waitresses have a matching one)
Small children working at business alongside adults (especially if those adults aren't their parents/close family)
Physical security measures that would keep people in as well as out (locks on both sides of doors, or "breakrooms"/employee areas with locks on the outside
Consistent deferring to "manager" or boss anytime you go off script
Literally almost any commercial sex act not in a licensed NV brothel
Having to turn cash or "tips" over to someone or lock in a safe immediately on receipt.
There are more, but that's what I have off the top of my head (with a glance at my notes)
DHS has an indicator card you can download and keep in your wallet that offers several indicators, but they are more geared towards folks that are interacting with and talking to suspected victims.
https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/materials/indicator-card
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^^^The DHS card is one of the materials that we hand out to providers, so they have it with them in the exam room.
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Thank you, dogmush. =(
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In "Confederate" flag news
Mississippi flag being taken down from many stores even before governor signing
https://www.wlky.com/article/mississippi-flag-being-taken-down-from-many-stores-even-before-governor-signing/33005214
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So ... collectible?
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Apparently Confederate flag memes on your facebook page can get you suspended
Jenna Showalter was suspended without pay Wednesday for a violation of a Louisville Metro Corrections policy concerning social media, according to her suspension letter.
Showalter is accused of posting several memes with the Confederate flag on her Facebook page.
Metro Corrections officer suspended over Facebook posts
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/01/metro-corrections-officer-suspended-over-facebook-posts/
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Apparently Confederate flag memes on your facebook page can get you suspended
Metro Corrections officer suspended over Facebook posts
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/01/metro-corrections-officer-suspended-over-facebook-posts/
Without seeing the memes it's hard to form an opinion on this.
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Another local news site picked up the story and had an example.
Guess they didn't like the message.
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/louisville-metro-corrections-officer-facebook-posts/417-176738cf-1529-4ae1-b711-cc620a630ed7
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More info about Karen Cooper:
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-confederate-flag-supporter-slavery-choice-article-1.2278982
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I just got to watch, in person, the last two nights of Kyle Larson crushing the toughest sprint car competition in the country. What’s nascar?
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Chili bowl time? I haven't kept up in years.
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More info about Karen Cooper:
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-confederate-flag-supporter-slavery-choice-article-1.2278982
"I'm not advocating slavery or think that it was right. It wasn't and none of my friends think it was. It was just something that happened. It didn't just happen in the South — it happened worldwide."
Besides, "slavery was a choice," she added, because slaves had a choice to die.
"And I say that because of what Patrick Henry said: 'Give me liberty, or give me death.' If we went back to that kind of slavery — no I couldn't do it. Give me death," she explained.
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Chili bowl time? I haven't kept up in years.
No, that was Larson in an epic war with Chris Bell(the better driver) back in the winter. Pennsylvania speedweeks now, revisiting the places of my youth and hearing the big motors run.
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Back to NASCAR: https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/07/05/at-the-brickyard-400-a-trump-2020-nascar-is-racing-and-bringing-out-the-venom-from-the-left/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcB8NpoXQAEONdi?format=jpg)
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Back in the '90's when I was buiding engines for many classes of left turn and straight line we used to get a week off in the summer so the boss 007 could go to a big race with Beaver and some other Midwest racers. I can't remember anymore maybe it was in Oklahoma. Man I miss those days.
I built engines or component work on every thing drag racing except prostock. I even built a few world of outlaw motors.
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Or maybe Knoxville man my memory sucks these days.