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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on August 25, 2020, 10:38:26 PM
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Live feed from Kenosha-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOEOAgcJz8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOEOAgcJz8k)
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Live feed from Kenosha-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOEOAgcJz8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOEOAgcJz8k)
Should have given them 1 hour to disperse (that's traditional, re The Riot Act of 1714) then at about 62 minutes arrest everyone left (including the press) and charge them with felony Riot.
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Anyway to turn off that stupid Super chat voice?
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I've always heard that people used to find various ways to keep black people from moving into their neighborhoods, and maybe in some places they still do. I'd hate to think those sort of practices would come back, sub rosa, but that sure seems to be what the race rioters are going for. =|
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I've always heard that people used to find various ways to keep black people from moving into their neighborhoods, and maybe in some places they still do. I'd hate to think those sort of practices would come back, sub rosa, but that sure seems to be what the race rioters are going for. =|
Well they've been calling for segregation
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They need to mount pepper spray cannons on the front of the bearcat vehicles
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An American flag was just burned outside the Kenosha County Courthouse. One woman screams, “Death to America!” and kicks the fence. pic.twitter.com/vI8U6EOGBv
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) August 26, 2020
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Need about 5 Klingons with Bat'leths to show up. It would be glorious
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I gotta go to bed.
=(
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Fire fight
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Apparently someone's had enough of the BS and opened up
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3 people shot.
Someone said guy got hit in the head with something and opened fire.
No clue on which side shooter or the three people are on.
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3 people shot.
Someone said guy got hit in the head with something and opened fire.
No clue on which side shooter or the three people are on.
Someone from the No F**king Clue Coalition slammed their AR buttstock on the ground.
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Here's some videos of that. I can't tell if the guy with the rifle is on the protestor or "guarding property" side (I understand there have been clashes among protestors). I can tell that the protestors who chased him down looked kinda surprised when he shot them. It seems those people can't process what a firearm can do. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to other protestors that they are not invulnerable and free to destroy things or hurt whomever they want.
Also, in one of the other videos at the URL, some of the people guarding property really need to get out of condition white (is that racist?).
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police
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Here's some videos of that. I can't tell if the guy with the rifle is on the protestor or "guarding property" side (I understand there have been clashes among protestors). I can tell that the protestors who chased him down looked kinda surprised when he shot them. It seems those people can't process what a firearm can do. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to other protestors that they are not invulnerable and free to destroy things or hurt whomever they want.
Also, in one of the other videos at the URL, some of the people guarding property really need to get out of condition white (is that racist?).
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police
They've never faced consequences in their lives and this one was immediate, painful, and deadly. Like most young people, they likely thought they were invincible.
If more of them got shot for assaulting people, they'd stop thinking that.
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Here's some videos of that. I can't tell if the guy with the rifle is on the protestor or "guarding property" side (I understand there have been clashes among protestors). I can tell that the protestors who chased him down looked kinda surprised when he shot them. It seems those people can't process what a firearm can do. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to other protestors that they are not invulnerable and free to destroy things or hurt whomever they want.
Also, in one of the other videos at the URL, some of the people guarding property really need to get out of condition white (is that racist?).
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police
Watch that video closely. They are chasing him and he is almost out of cardio capacity. He trips and as soon as he's on the ground the mob swarms. One tries a laser, one tries a football kick to the head, and one grabs the dropped rifle off the ground.
The guy being attacked (whatever he may have done to start this, he was being attacked here) retains his weapon only because it was slung, uses the sling to get the gun back and defends himself. As soon as they back up, he get's up and heads for the cops where he slings the weapon behind his back and approaches with his hands up trying to talk to them, at which point multiple cop cars just drive by and leave him at the mercy of the crowd.
There's some AAR comments to be had from this. Weapons retention is vital. Without that sling he'd have been defensless and armed his attackers. Don't be on the ground. If you fall, clear a space and get up as quick as possible. Don't count on the cops to stop and help you in the midst of a riot, or even take you into custody. You are on your own.
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Here's some videos of that. I can't tell if the guy with the rifle is on the protestor or "guarding property" side (I understand there have been clashes among protestors). I can tell that the protestors who chased him down looked kinda surprised when he shot them. It seems those people can't process what a firearm can do. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to other protestors that they are not invulnerable and free to destroy things or hurt whomever they want.
Also, in one of the other videos at the URL, some of the people guarding property really need to get out of condition white (is that racist?).
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police
All I'm getting at that link is video of still photos
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All I'm getting at that link is video of still photos
It links to this twitter post:
https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1298502384654651392
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Watch that video closely. They are chasing him and he is almost out of cardio capacity. He trips and as soon as he's on the ground the mob swarms. One tries a laser, one tries a football kick to the head, and one grabs the dropped rifle off the ground.
The guy being attacked (whatever he may have done to start this, he was being attacked here) retains his weapon only because it was slung, uses the sling to get the gun back and defends himself. As soon as they back up, he get's up and heads for the cops where he slings the weapon behind his back and approaches with his hands up trying to talk to them, at which point multiple cop cars just drive by and leave him at the mercy of the crowd.
There's some AAR comments to be had from this. Weapons retention is vital. Without that sling he'd have been defensless and armed his attackers. Don't be on the ground. If you fall, clear a space and get up as quick as possible. Don't count on the cops to stop and help you in the midst of a riot, or even take you into custody. You are on your own.
I think I understand, and agree with your post. He seemed more lucky than trained, and in fact with only minor changes in the conditions, could have in fact been overwhelmed even by the unarmed attackers. I was mostly speaking to the apparent surprise on the part of the rioters that someone might fight back with deadly force. They seemed to be pursuing and attacking him as if he were unarmed.
As I mentioned in my aside in my previous post, a lot of the armed people seemed to be condition white / very sloppy in situational awareness.
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It links to this twitter post:
https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1298502384654651392
Thanks, overlooked it, need more coffee.
Right before he trips you can hear someone ask "What he do" Someone replies "He shot somebody". So did he shoot someone before they started chasing him? I recalled audio from the live feed that would make me think that.
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From the way he's dressed he looks more like another protestor than one of the "militia" guy to me. Could be wrong
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The cops are looking for him. Regardless of the circumstances, he'll be charged with murder. He's going to jail.
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From the way he's dressed he looks more like another protestor than one of the "militia" guy to me. Could be wrong
From the way he ACTS, though, I'm betting he's not a protester. He walked towards the police, with his hands up, apparently intending to surrender.
When they don't take him into custody, I cannot blame him in the least for running. (I think it was dumb, but it's understandable.)
(Now, it's also possible that he used the surrendering as a ruse to get the police to ignore him. If that were the case, he's a very intelligent and/or brazen individual.)
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The cops are looking for him. Regardless of the circumstances, he'll be charged with murder. He's going to jail.
The video is clearly self defense but it appears he shot someone immediately before this video. Circumstances of that shooting is what we need to know because that could change everything
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From the way he ACTS, though, I'm betting he's not a protester. He walked towards the police, with his hands up, apparently intending to surrender.
When they don't take him into custody, I cannot blame him in the least for running. (I think it was dumb, but it's understandable.)
Surrounded by people who now want to kill him? At that point the police are his best friends in the world. At least he knows the police are less likely to beat his brains out with a chunk of concrete
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The video is clearly self defense but it appears he shot someone immediately before this video. Circumstances of that shooting is what we need to know because that could change everything
Without video, it's his word against protesters, and this video makes it pretty clear he didn't fire until he had made significant efforts to retreat.
Also, the protesters are a bunch of liars, so I would not take that comment from the video as fact.
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The video is clearly self defense but it appears he shot someone immediately before this video. Circumstances of that shooting is what we need to know because that could change everything
There were rioters running around with rifles also. We will see.
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Without video, it's his word against protesters, and this video makes it pretty clear he didn't fire until he had made significant efforts to retreat.
Also, the protesters are a bunch of liars, so I would not take that comment from the video as fact.
Agree and agree
But the question and answer meshes with the audio I heard on the live feed as far as there were shots fired before this video. What occurred there is what we need to know. Hopefully someone videoed it otherwise it's he said she said. He may have had nothing to do with it, we may never know. All we know for sure at this point is that someone was shot.
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From the way he ACTS, though, I'm betting he's not a protester. He walked towards the police, with his hands up, apparently intending to surrender.
When they don't take him into custody, I cannot blame him in the least for running. (I think it was dumb, but it's understandable.)
(Now, it's also possible that he used the surrendering as a ruse to get the police to ignore him. If that were the case, he's a very intelligent and/or brazen individual.)
Option 3: random criminal with stolen gun
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Toward the end when he started walking down the road to the left, the camera pans around. Looks like 2 or 3 more people carrying stuff which could be shotguns or rifles. Anyone notice that?
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Toward the end when he started walking down the road to the left, the camera pans around. Looks like 2 or 3 more people carrying stuff which could be shotguns or rifles. Anyone notice that?
Not sure which guys your referring to but at the service station there were several "militia" guarding it, live feed guy was talking to them when the shooting started. Maybe that's what you seeing? Shortly after this several BLM types came up got in their faces yelling blaming them
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Very graphic video of the man shot in the arm, big chunk of it is gone. You were warned if this stuff bothers you.
Now what interesting to this case is that there's a still of him holding a handgun while the the runner is on the ground.
Don't think he's going to be holding a gun with that arm again
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298501886987898880
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Speculation on my part but I would be willing to bet he was getting ready to execute the guy
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Speculation on my part but I would be willing to bet he was getting ready to execute the guy
Not betting against you there.
From what I´ve read, Rifle Guy first turned one guy´s head into a canoe because he was holding a molotov cocktail, then he shot another guy in the chest who tried to attack him with a skateboard. Both of these are dead. Then he crippled the third guy by blowing out a decent chunk of his elbow after he was being pursued by an armed mob.
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The cops are looking for him. Regardless of the circumstances, he'll be charged with murder. He's going to jail.
Yup. A juvenile under 18, white, charged with first degree intentional homicide.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/26/juvenile-arrested-in-shooting-death-of-2-at-kenosha-protest.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/26/juvenile-arrested-in-shooting-death-of-2-at-kenosha-protest.html)
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Yup. A juvenile under 18, white, charged with first degree intentional homicide.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/26/juvenile-arrested-in-shooting-death-of-2-at-kenosha-protest.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/26/juvenile-arrested-in-shooting-death-of-2-at-kenosha-protest.html)
From that article:
Two people were killed Tuesday night in an attack carried out by a young white man who was caught on cellphone video opening fire in the middle of the street with a semi-automatic rifle.
"I just killed somebody," he could be heard saying at one point during the shooting rampage that erupted just before midnight.
That is a......creative description of the events on that video. If I didn't already know that the news media was critical to our democracy and incapable of telling anything but the unvarnished truth I might think they had watched a different video than I did.
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Very graphic video of the man shot in the arm, big chunk of it is gone. You were warned if this stuff bothers you.
Now what interesting to this case is that there's a still of him holding a handgun while the the runner is on the ground.
Don't think he's going to be holding a gun with that arm again
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298501886987898880
One very good comment from that link.
"the guy wouldn't have got shot if he was home getting ready for work the next day."
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Not betting against you there.
From what I´ve read, Rifle Guy first turned one guy´s head into a canoe because he was holding a molotov cocktail, then he shot another guy in the chest who tried to attack him with a skateboard. Both of these are dead. Then he crippled the third guy by blowing out a decent chunk of his elbow after he was being pursued by an armed mob.
If that is the case, he should be able to claim self defense. Not sure about the laws in Wisconsin. He certainly did try to run.
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Regardless of the actual circumstances of the shooting, I'm willing to bet he won't be allowed to claim self defense at trial. He shot members of America's newest politically protected class, "Peaceful Protesters". And he had the audacity to do it in the Wisconsin PDR.
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From that article:
That is a......creative description of the events on that video. If I didn't already know that the news media was critical to our democracy and incapable of telling anything but the unvarnished truth I might think they had watched a different video than I did.
My initial thoughts as well after reading that description. I don't know what he might have done prior to the video, but what was recorded was a guy being chased and attacked, then defending himself.
From just the description, they made him sound like the Columbine kids.
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“We were all chanting ‘Black lives matter’ at the gas station and then we heard, boom, boom, and I told my friend, `‘That’s not fireworks,’” 19-year-old protester Devin Scott told the Chicago Tribune. “And then this guy with this huge gun runs by us in the middle of the street and people are yelling, ‘He shot someone! He shot someone!’ And everyone is trying to fight the guy, chasing him and then he started shooting again.”
You going to believe this or your lying eyes?
Bet you're never see the video in the MSM just hear this over and over
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I watched a good part of this video today. The first person/s he shoots in the car lot or parking area were also chasing him. They appear to throw things at him. Possibly Molotovs. Maybe bricks/stones. That video unfortunately is not as clear. He does make a phone call at this point saying he shot someone, possibly to 911, no way to know from the video I saw.
The second video where he trips and falls, the guy he shoots in the chest swung a skateboard at him and hits him in the shoulder and head. Then the guy he shoots in the arm was pointing a handgun at him. This part would most likely be self defense. The issue is the first incident which is just before he is being chased and falls could alter that.
With a good lawyer or proper investigation/reasonable DA this may all be self defense.
All that said. Pretty dumb for someone to put themselves in that situation. He traveled apparently 20 miles across state lines to be there. He should have stayed home. I’d think differently about someone who was had a home or business in the area.
Then there is the whole issue of a 17 year old crossing state lines with a firearm, and I thought ARs were regulated in IL where he supposedly lives?
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Open carry is legal in Wisconsin, but only if the carrier is over 18. I don't know about Illinois, but in WI a person under 18 can legally purchase a firearm from a private citizen. This kid is going to have a tough time fighting these charges. I'm expecting to see gofundme or similar campaigns for his legal defense.
I watched a good part of this video today. The first person/s he shoots in the car lot or parking area were also chasing him. They appear to throw things at him. Possibly Molotovs. Maybe bricks/stones. That video unfortunately is not as clear. He does make a phone call at this point saying he shot someone, possibly to 911, no way to know from the video I saw.
The second video where he trips and falls, the guy he shoots in the chest swung a skateboard at him and hits him in the shoulder and head. Then the guy he shoots in the arm was pointing a handgun at him. This part would most likely be self defense. The issue is the first incident which is just before he is being chased and falls could alter that.
With a good lawyer or proper investigation/reasonable DA this may all be self defense.
All that said. Pretty dumb for someone to put themselves in that situation. He traveled apparently 20 miles across state lines to be there. He should have stayed home. I’d think differently about someone who was had a home or business in the area.
Then there is the whole issue of a 17 year old crossing state lines with a firearm, and I thought ARs were regulated in IL where he supposedly lives?
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And it is now being reported that the guy who really started all this wasn’t innocently breaking up a fight when police shot him. He was in a home he wasn’t allowed to be in and had taken a woman’s keys and wouldn’t give them back. A scanner recording of the police dispatch was released. The police knew on the way there that there was an alert for him at that home, he was wanted multiple crimes including sexual assault and was in the middle of committing another crime.
I really used to think that police often were to quick to escalate violence in many cases and sometimes caused more issues than they solved with some more victimless crimes. I suppose I still do, but as we continue to have these riots over people that are multiple felons and/or involved in current criminal activity I’m having less and less sympathy for them. How hard is it to just let the cops arrest you and deal with it later. These days they will most likely release you for most any crime within 24 hours anyway.
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The narrative henceforth will be
Black for justice protesters murdered in the street by WHITE vigilante with high powered assault rifle during night of peaceful protests. Trump has fail to condemn another hate crime.
Might as well go ahead and start chiseling it into stone
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proper investigation/reasonable DA
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:'(
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Armchair Quarterbacking mode on
Unfortunately this event has possibly exposed something that has worried me for awhile, that while many like him often have the equipment they far too often lack the mental training to properly deal with such situations. The kid IMHO was in way over his head and, again IMHO, shouldn't has been there. Whether or not this factored into causing the incident or making it worse I can't really say at this point.
Don't take this as blaming him for it
Armchair Quarterbacking mode off
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Armchair Quarterbacking mode on
Unfortunately this event has possibly exposed something that has worried me for awhile, that while many like him often have the equipment they far too often lack the mental training to properly deal with such situations. The kid IMHO was in way over his head and, again IMHO, shouldn't has been there. Whether or not this factored into causing the incident or making it worse I can't really say at this point.
Don't take this as blaming him for it
Armchair Quarterbacking mode off
He's a scant few months away from being able to kill at the State's whim as part of its Armed Forces though.
Is it somehow wrong for him to kill in defense of his own idealism, but right if given absolution by the State's grace?
Howard Fast's April Morning comes to mind, the main character in that novel is 15.
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He's a scant few months away from being able to kill at the State's whim as part of its Armed Forces though.
Hopefully not before receiving training and being under more experienced command.
Didn't say he was wrong just possibly lacking in training to deal with a situation like this
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Also... when blacks are committing drive by's and B&E's in their teen years and their moms come out of the woodwork about their angelic boys, we're quick to label them as adults and ascribe full culpability to their decisions.
Why are you so eager to take this young man's ownership of his own actions away from him?
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Also... when blacks are committing drive by's and B&E's in their teen years and their moms come out of the woodwork about their angelic boys, we're quick to label them as adults and ascribe full culpability to their decisions.
Why are you so eager to take this young man's ownership of his own actions away from him?
Apples and oranges
One group is trying to cause mayhem the other stop it. The two require two totally different approaches. While often similar physically they're often totally different mentally
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Apples and oranges
One group is trying to cause mayhem the other stop it. The two require two totally different approaches. While often similar physically they're often totally different mentally
By that argument, this 17 year old is far more mature than the inner city hoodlums. That makes the moms' arguments that their sons dindoonuffin more valid, and treating them like children more logical. And treating this 17 year old as an adult also more logical.
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By that argument, this 17 year old is far more mature than the inner city hoodlums. That makes the moms' arguments that their sons dindoonuffin more valid, and treating them like children more logical. And treating this 17 year old as an adult also more logical.
How did I think he may have been in over his head lead to an argument over values, morals, and sense of responsibly or lack there of and bad parenting?
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He's a scant few months away from being able to kill at the State's whim as part of its Armed Forces though.
Is it somehow wrong for him to kill in defense of his own idealism, but right if given absolution by the State's grace?
Howard Fast's April Morning comes to mind, the main character in that novel is 15.
He's 17 so he is already old enough. I joined the Marines as a 17 year old high school graduate.
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He's 17 so he is already old enough. I joined the Marines as a 17 year old high school graduate.
And went straight to training and had command looking over you or did they just hand you a gun and say go hit the beach?
A 50 year old could be in over his head if he's not properly mentally prepared. Age has nothing to do with it. When did I bring up age?
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I need to heck my popcorn supply for tonight's rioting.
[popcorn]
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We expect our police to have at at least some training in handling situations like this don't we? Don't we criticize them when they don't have proper training? At the very least to know how to to react. How much preparation did this kid have?
I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW
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I need to heck my popcorn supply for tonight's rioting peaceful, harmonious, protests for justice .
[popcorn]
FIFY
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I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW
The kid's fault was in being there at all. I haven't been able to figure out who started what against whom but one thing seems clear -- if this kid had stayed home in Antioch, IL, he wouldn't now be in jail facing multiple felony charges. The problem is (IMHO), too many of these protesters don't quite understand that life isn't a video game. You don't get resets, you don't get do-overs, and your actions have consequences.
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The kid's fault was in being there at all. I haven't been able to figure out who started what against whom but one thing seems clear -- if this kid had stayed home in Antioch, IL, he wouldn't now be in jail facing multiple felony charges. The problem is (IMHO), too may of these protesters don't quite understand that life isn't a video game. You don't get resets, you don't get do-overs, and your actions have consequences.
You don't get new arms
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You don't get new arms
Well then maybe don't assault someone that's has a rifle and is trying to run away.
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Speaking of arms.
Someone posted on another forum that Arm Man, the one with the handgun and is now more than likely missing an arm (I don't know how heck that could be repaired, is a convicted felon and that's it was illegal for him to process a gun.
Someone also said people have been photoshopping out the gun on some sites.
BOTH ARE UNCONFIRMED BY ME
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Does anyone know if either IL or WI have an age 18 limit for rifles?
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And went straight to training and had command looking over you or did they just hand you a gun and say go hit the beach?
A 50 year old could be in over his head if he's not properly mentally prepared. Age has nothing to do with it. When did I bring up age?
My post was in reply to AZRedhawk's post about him being a few months away from being able to enlist in the service. That kid being eligible at 17 was my point. It had nothing to do with you or your post.
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Someone stitched all the video together.
https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true
If he was a resident/business owner protecting his own property I’d really be leaning toward clear self defense. Being underage from out of town he is going to have a hard legal battle and may still be convicted of some crimes, but the current charges I’m seeing proposed may be overcharging.
There is still some question I suppose as to what started them chasing him in the first place. He was running and being threatened the entire time though and endured several assaults or attempted assaults.
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My post was in reply to AZRedhawk's post about him being a few months away from being able to enlist in the service. That kid being eligible at 17 was my point. It had nothing to do with you or your post.
Got it
Nevvver Mind
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Someone stitched all the video together.
https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true
If he was a resident/business owner protecting his own property I’d really be leaning toward clear self defense. Being underage from out of town he is going to have a hard legal battle and may still be convicted of some crimes, but the current charges I’m seeing proposed may be overcharging.
There is still some question I suppose as to what started them chasing him in the first place. He was running and being threatened the entire time though and endured several assaults or attempted assaults.
I feel they're way overcharging in an attempt to appease the masses for the moment. Later when things calm down maybe, hopefully, they'll drop most of them.
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I feel they're way overcharging in an attempt to appease the masses for the moment. Later when things calm down maybe, hopefully, they'll drop most of them.
Hopefully for his sake. I don’t have a ton of sympathy for the Antifa/BLM crowd, but I’d rather no one was killed or injured. I think you hav to accept that may happen if you engage in rioting, assault, arson, etc.
He should have just stayed away though. He made his bed too by going there. It’s entirely different when the rioters come to you vs going to them.
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Well then maybe don't assault someone that's has a rifle and is trying to run away.
You were close.
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Looking back on some images from the LA riots that popped up on my social media feeds today another thing stands out. Rooftop Koreans had the high ground, and a defensible position. This kid was trying to do the Mogadishu Mile. Not a great position to be in.
*Note, I'm not blaming the kid, he may have done his best with the hand he was dealt and he's probably right *expletive deleted*ed at this point., but we can all learn from others mistakes. Don't be in a riot. If you accidentally find yourself in a riot, don't be singled out to be easy prey for the mob.
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Does anyone know if either IL or WI have an age 18 limit for rifles?
Underage in IL have to have a parent sign off on the FOID. That's all the limit I'm aware of. Can't buy one, of course.
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You're all missing the real take-away here, which is the same as in the McCloskey Moment. That is, if you don't want private citizens confronting rioters (or protestors) with rifles, then how 'bout we fund the police?
(Guess what those "protestors" in St. Louis were on about that day?)
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Shooter is saying he was a militia member.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/26/17-year-old-charged-with-first-degree-murder-after-fatal-shooting-in-kenosha-tuesday-night/
Dana Loesch linked to a video analysis with different angles than I've seen so far:
https://youtu.be/rdMTghlrFiw
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Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight
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Dana Loesch linked to a video analysis with different angles than I've seen so far:
https://youtu.be/rdMTghlrFiw
That didn't last long. YouTube has taken it down already. It must not fit the narrative.
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That didn't last long. YouTube has taken it down already. It must not fit the narrative.
It's there, just behind a content warning you have to click on.
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Currently up but behind 2 warnings.
If what we see in the video is most of the story I see self defense.
We don't know what instigated the initial chase where the first decedent was trying to attack the shooter.
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It's there, just behind a content warning you have to click on.
You have to sign in.
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You have to sign in.
I'm logged in automatically on my computers so I didn't see that step
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Another night of protests
Never mind he had a knife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXU8pQ5Uqic
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The kid's fault was in being there at all. I haven't been able to figure out who started what against whom but one thing seems clear -- if this kid had stayed home in Antioch, IL, he wouldn't now be in jail facing multiple felony charges. The problem is (IMHO), too many of these protesters don't quite understand that life isn't a video game. You don't get resets, you don't get do-overs, and your actions have consequences.
He can be wherever he wants. As far as we know, he didn't stick a rifle to their heads and say attack me. They chose to do that. This is like blaming the people in Texas who killed the attempted terrorist when they were holding the draw Muhammad contest.
We expect our police to have at at least some training in handling situations like this don't we? Don't we criticize them when they don't have proper training? At the very least to know how to to react. How much preparation did this kid have?
I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW
I would say he defused the situation quite well.
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He can be wherever he wants. As far as we know, he didn't stick a rifle to their heads and say attack me. They chose to do that. This is like blaming the people in Texas who killed the attempted terrorist when they were holding the draw Muhammad contest.
I would say he defused the situation quite well.
I hate to say it but sometimes bad people getting shot is the best outcome.
We have seen all sorts of people trying to do things to stop these mobs. Violence is the only thing I have seen that really works.
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He can be wherever he wants.
Wasn't there a curfew?
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Shoot, even the NYT has collected enough video evidence to show that murder is not going to hold water:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/27/prosecutors-might-want-to-rethink-murder1-nyt-praised-for-detailed-report-on-kyle-rittenhouses-movements-before-and-up-to-the-shootings/
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I hate to say it but sometimes bad people getting shot is the best outcome.
We have seen all sorts of people trying to do things to stop these mobs. Violence is the only thing I have seen that really works.
As much as I hate anyone getting shot sometimes it's the only thing that will get the ball rolling in the other direction.
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If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. - Jeff Cooper
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I have no idea who wrote this
There are criminals among us who are both homicidal and incorrigible. Their parents took a shot at civilizing them and failed. Their school teachers took a shot at them and failed. The odds are overwhelming that government welfare programs and penal institutions took a shot at them and failed. If it ever becomes your turn to take a shot at them, don’t fail.
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There are criminals among us who are both homicidal and incorrigible. Their parents took a shot at civilizing them and failed. Their school teachers took a shot at them and failed. The odds are overwhelming that government welfare programs and penal institutions took a shot at them and failed. If it ever becomes your turn to take a shot at them, don’t fail.
I think it's safe to say a lot of parents and teachers are actively refusing to civilize the children in their care. Bestializing them, more like.
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I think it's safe to say a lot of parents and teachers are actively refusing to civilize the children in their care. Bestializing them, more like.
I think the saying is from a different time. From a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators.
Point still stand though
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Shannon Watts, et al are calling the criminals "heroes". Apparently there's a whole gofundme for the gullible.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/27/start-picking-better-heroes-seems-the-two-peaceful-men-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse-in-kenosha-had-penchants-for-violence-screenshots/
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Shannon Watts, et al are calling the criminals "heroes". Apparently there's a whole gofundme for the gullible.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/27/start-picking-better-heroes-seems-the-two-peaceful-men-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse-in-kenosha-had-penchants-for-violence-screenshots/
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)
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As to the other guy in this
I wonder why a deranged white nationalist Trump supporter would show up to a protest with a rifle and start shooting people. https://t.co/gL1zpgj8J2
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) August 26, 2020
A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.
He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.
Fix your damn headlines.
— Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) August 27, 2020
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/27/fix-your-damn-headlines-dem-rep-ayanna-pressley-explains-that-white-supremacist-domestic-terrorist-kyle-rittenhouse-killed-two-life-affirming-blm-protesters/
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So a white supremacist shows up at a BLM protest and shoots three white guys?
Sounds legit.
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They're not done by a long shot. There's plenty more stupid where that came from
At this moment, conservative media figures are crafting a narrative that black people attempting to disarm a white vigilante who was (1) illegally brandishing an assault weapon after (2) shooting someone in the head *deserved to get shot.*
It is racist and it is sickening.
— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) August 27, 2020
He continues from there
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/27/slate-hack-accusing-conservatives-of-crafting-a-narrative-about-kyle-rittenhouse-is-just-straight-up-lying-and-race-baiting/
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I think the saying is from a different time. From a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators.
Point still stand though
Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to.
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The 2020 live action version of Red Dawn is pretty interesting
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Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to.
In my 31st year of teaching and I pride myself on teaching how to think, not what to think. Please don't gloss the profession with such a flawed broad brush
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In my 31st year of teaching and I pride myself on teaching how to think, not what to think. Please don't gloss the profession with such a flawed broad brush
My observations lead me to believe teachers of your persuasion are an endangered species.
My daughter, now entering her 4th year of teaching in the 2nd largest school district in her state routinely updates me with the socialist/Marxist/anti-capitalist/SJW propaganda she experiences on a daily basis. The propaganda comes from the school district administration in the guise of "training".
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So in the court of social media, the kid has been deemed a "mass murderer".
"We’ve designated this shooting as a mass murder and have removed the shooter’s accounts from Facebook and Instagram," the spokesperson said in a statement. "At this time, we have not found evidence on Facebook that suggests the shooter followed the Kenosha Guard Page or that he was invited on the Event Page they organized."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/facebook-kenosha-guard-militia-vigilantes-kyle-rittenhouse
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The narrative is settled
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So in the court of social media, the kid has been deemed a "mass murderer".
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/facebook-kenosha-guard-militia-vigilantes-kyle-rittenhouse
From the article, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth apparently doesn't like an armed citizenry:
‘Oh, hell no’," Beth said. “They are a liability to me and the county.”
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From the article, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth apparently doesn't like an armed citizenry:
So does that mean he doesn't like the both the "militia" and the protesters or just the "militia"?
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GRAPHIC: A friend of the man who rushed at the #Kenosha teen with a pistol and was shot in the arm has posted an update about his status. Doctors were able to save Gaige Grosskreutz's right arm. The friend says Gaige regrets not being able to kill the teen. pic.twitter.com/2gJmnnroTF
— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) August 27, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/27/friend-of-man-shot-in-arm-in-kenosha-says-his-only-regret-was-not-killing-the-kid-and-emptying-the-entire-mag-into-him/
1. I'm sure the tax payers will be paying for a butt load of surgery
2. The underlined, $%#@!
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/27/friend-of-man-shot-in-arm-in-kenosha-says-his-only-regret-was-not-killing-the-kid-and-emptying-the-entire-mag-into-him/
1. I'm sure the tax payers will be paying for a butt load of surgery
2. The underlined, $%#@!
This guy was the felon with a gun, no? Is he under arrest yet?
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After seeing how the media created a narrative for the actions of various people from Richard Jewell through George Zimmerman and Nick Sandman, I'm going to wait awhile before I decide what to think about this 17 year old's actions in Kenosha.
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This guy was the felon with a gun, no? Is he under arrest yet?
He's the hero who helped saved countless peaceful BLM protesters for justice lives from the rampaging mass murdering Trump supporting white nationalist. Expect him on Oprah soon, winning the Nobel Peace Prize, appointed as a science advisor to the global warming committee, and having beers with Obama Harris in the Rose Garden. Hollywood already has his life story movie in the works.
Where's that asteroid?
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In my 31st year of teaching and I pride myself on teaching how to think, not what to think. Please don't gloss the profession with such a flawed broad brush
Must you get defensive every time someone complains about our broken education system? No one is attacking you.
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Must you get defensive every time someone complains about our broken education system? No one is attacking you.
In this forum we do not judge all LEO's for the actions of some, do we? But it is acceptable to do that to educators? So yes, I will take offense to that remark
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In this forum we do not judge all LEO's for the actions of some, do we? But it is acceptable to do that to educators? So yes, I will take offense to that remark
What remark? Where is anyone saying that kind of thing on APS?
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What remark? Where is anyone saying that kind of thing on APS?
"a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators."
"Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to."
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In this forum we do not judge all LEO's for the actions of some, do we?
Plenty do.
I like being able to judge bad cops and teachers and praise good ones, and I’ve seen good and bad of both.
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"a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators."
"Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to."
Okay how about
mostly not indoctrinators
Better?
But I would have to say from my actual experiences you are the exception to the rule now. I have to say your probably one of the last.
This includes having worked at a university for some time and just having a daughter finish public school where I had to fight them trying to turn her into a good little USA hating communist.
If you were insulted by my comment I apologize. Maybe sometimes I do paint with too broad of a brush.
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"a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators."
"Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to."
The second one couldn't possibly be a slam on teachers, because it's talking about what teachers are allowed to do.
The first one comes pretty far short of judging all teachers.
As I said, no one is attacking you.
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Apparently several versions of 1st degree murder charges for the teen requiring premeditation. I think that will be hard to prove. Also apparently Lin Wood is his attorney, I’m not sure he has a lot of experience in the space of Self Defense, but I bet he will have associates who do.
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From the article, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth apparently doesn't like an armed citizenry:
He was speaking to a suggestion that he deputize a bunch of people with guns to supplement his police officers. I have to agree with him. Bringing in a bunch of unknown people, with unknown weapons, unknown abilities, and zero training with the regular police officers would almost certainly be a huge liability issue for the county.
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He's the hero who helped saved countless peaceful BLM protesters for justice lives from the rampaging mass murdering Trump supporting white nationalist. Expect him on Oprah soon, winning the Nobel Peace Prize, appointed as a science advisor to the global warming committee, and having beers with Obama Harris in the Rose Garden. Hollywood already has his life story movie in the works.
Where's that asteroid?
You left out a date with Greta.
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In this forum we do not judge all LEO's for the actions of some, do we? But it is acceptable to do that to educators? So yes, I will take offense to that remark
You need to grow a thicker skin. Unfortunately, the saying about lawyers applies equally to public school teachers today: "97.6 percent of ______ today give the rest a bad name."
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You left out a date with Greta.
The pedophile had 5.56 open head surgery IIRC
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The left is trying to make Kyle out to be a white-supremacist terrorist and the dead and wounded men into saints.
Despite there being no proof that Kyle is anything other than a normal conservative kid and the three that were shot are all felons convicted of various violent acts.
Lying is just so normal to them that despite the existence of evidence that proves them wrong, they still go forward with their propaganda.
And that's because they know their followers are stupid enough to go along.
But they lose thinking Ds and lefities the more they do this and it will cost them in November.
So, please, I implore them, do continue along this path.
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The left is trying to make Kyle out to be a white-supremacist terrorist and the dead and wounded men into saints.
Despite there being no proof that Kyle is anything other than a normal conservative kid and the three that were shot are all felons convicted of various violent acts.
Lying is just so normal to them that despite the existence of evidence that proves them wrong, they still go forward with their propaganda.
And that's because they know their followers are stupid enough to go along.
But they lose thinking Ds and lefities the more they do this and it will cost them in November.
So, please, I implore them, do continue along this path.
It fits in line with their beliefs that rioting and terrorism is more than acceptable, even expected now, to further the cause. What has been lurking beneath the surface for a while and had been forgotten by the general public after the leftist terrorism of the 60s and 70s is now back in the forefront.
And, even better for our side, is the widespread alternatives that the internet provides in contradiction to the propaganda spewing mainstream media. Imagine if you had to rely on the media reports portraying the “victims” with the flowery descriptions they are trying so desperately to push, never mentioning a word about what they were doing or their past, you’d think for sure Kyle was a murderer and the possibility of self defense would never have crossed your mind.
They done *expletive deleted*ed up and they don’t know it.
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https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/exporting-rioters.html
Local blogger posted that a local bus company had six luxury motor coaches deliver protestors from Chicago.
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https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/exporting-rioters.html
Local blogger posted that a local bus company had six luxury motor coaches deliver protestors from Chicago.
But, but, crossing State lines!
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https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/08/exporting-rioters.html
Local blogger posted that a local bus company had six luxury motor coaches deliver protestors from Chicago.
Ooh! Fresh targets!
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"a time when parents were actually parents and teachers were teachers and not indoctrinators."
"Legally, I don't know if the teachers are allowed to do that if they wanted to."
The second quote was mine. I was referring to the ability of teachers/schools to discipline students without getting sued or the fear of lawsuits, not necessarily about what was being taught. Since the subject was brought up about civilizing kids if the parents do not do it. That sounded like a comment on discipline that I have heard from my own parents.
I think it is great that you are teaching students to think. Given some of what we hear, I worry that doesn't happen much anymore.
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We expect our police to have at at least some training in handling situations like this don't we? Don't we criticize them when they don't have proper training? At the very least to know how to to react. How much preparation did this kid have?
I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW
I can offer you this: Once the fuse has been lit, something is going to blow. I'd be looking toward whomever lit the fuse.
As for the police being more experienced and better equipped to handle situations like this, they have to be present to be effective.
Woody
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I can offer you this: Once the fuse has been lit, something is going to blow. I'd be looking toward whomever lit the fuse.
As for the police being more experienced and better equipped to handle situations like this, they have to be present to be effective.
Woody
That is why I generally disagree with the comments about deputizing citizenry or using untrained people. Untrained people can be effective if utilized right. Use them to guard/watch areas and jobs that don't need training. Maybe just lookouts to observe and report. All so the regular cops can go do stuff that requires more training. Just be clear one what the citizens are supposed to do and when they are allowed to use force.
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Goebbels had nothing on today's MSM
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The Daily Beast Reports on Rittenhouse:
The teen with the AR-15 style rifle in Kenosha was defending himself from a plastic bag when he killed his first victim, according to a criminal complaint obtained by @thedailybeast https://thedailybeast.com/teen-vigilante
They missed the part where the child molester Rosenbaum was attempting to take Rittenhouse's gun.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/28/daily-beasts-take-on-criminal-complaint-against-kyle-rittenhouse-seems-to-be-missing-something/
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They missed the part where the child molester Rosenbaum was attempting to take Rittenhouse's gun.
Also the fact that someone fired a handgun into the air behind him.
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Total clown shoes that the 17 year old kid was even there, of that I have no doubt. The saltiest BTDT real-deal special forces MOS with the DD214 to prove it would stay far, far away from that fustercluck unless it was his own house or maybe his own business and it didn't have a riot rider in his insurance.
And it's laughable that he thought he could be some sort of superman neutral middle ground libertarian, "support" BLM, scrub graffiti, be a "medic", and also guard against arson and looting. Considering how much anecdotal protester-on-protester violence there's been that's a fools errand if I've ever heard one.
And the group he was with was no better. No chain of command, no security element, no overwatch, no comms I could see, no attempt at some sort of recognition symbol, no minimum of two man patrols or battle-buddies to watch each other's backs. I'm sure someone who has had actual shoot and move or MOUT training on the .gov dime could write a novel on everything else missing. Plus the idea that you're entrusting your life to a group didn't stage beforehand wasn't of known members that vouched for each other to prevent infiltration by false-flag actors or God knows who is also mindbogglingly stupid.
Hence why a 17 year old kid from another state was with them. :facepalm:
What do you even do in that instance? Show up well enough before dark, and say: "So uh... are you one of the rifle guys who wants to prevent arson like me?" and then scrub graffiti to prove your bona fides?
That said, all three shoots look to have strong prima-facie self defense elements to them. And from a pure gun fighting standpoint, looked to be exceptionally well conducted with a lot of restraint and trigger control. He incapacitated all three of his threats with just 1 or 2 shots. There's no mention of any shots going wild and into the air. Every one of them hit an attacker. And he did so while being grappled with, hit, and on the ground. I seriously have to wonder if Airsoft or Call of Duty played into it. Or maybe the kid just has "it". And would be a natural at three-gun, or an 11 series MOS. I can understand the argument he was just "lucky" but three times lucky in all aspects of a shooting assuming dropping the hammer was justified?
I can not confidently say that if I'd been going through what that kid went through... Ignoring that hopefully at minimum such trouble found me instead of willfully putting myself in the middle of it... that I wouldn't have gone all death blossom and sprayed the whole damn street until my mag was empty.
The usual social media scrub of the kid shows he may have wanted a career in law enforcement. That's over. If he prevails in his current legal troubles, I doubt any LEA will ever touch him with a ten foot pole, unless it's some sort of Joe Arpaio grandstanding Sheriff who picks him on purpose.
Since this isn't court, without rules of evidence, I can bring up anything else I please. Ignoring that the kid couldn't possibly know their priors anyway, the rap sheets of all three who were shot were enlightening for sure.
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Since this isn't court, without rules of evidence, I can bring up anything else I please. Ignoring that the kid couldn't possibly know their priors anyway, the rap sheets of all three who were shot were enlightening for sure.
In my post earlier on (or maybe the one in politics), it wasn't so much if the kid knew or didn't know, but that AFAIK, most everyone arrested for stuff beyond "not dispersing" or whatever, has had some kind of criminal record. These are not families of do-gooders seeking social justice.
Rosenbaum for sure, from the videos I saw, was an angry, angry little man. Someone invades my space with that look and acting that maniacally, I'm preparing to defend myself.
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This is somewhat infuriating. Even Fox News is calling this jackass, Grosskruetz, a "shooting victim". Even after this felon with a gun, who was clearly chasing the kid down, later admitted he would liked to have killed him. And again, why has he not been arrested with the clear video evidence of a gun in his hand?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-man-shot-during-kenosha-protests-recovers-from-surgery-in-milwaukee-hospital
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This is somewhat infuriating. Even Fox News is calling this jackass, Grosskruetz, a "shooting victim". Even after this felon with a gun, who was clearly chasing the kid down, later admitted he would liked to have killed him. And again, why has he not been arrested with the clear video evidence of a gun in his hand?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-man-shot-during-kenosha-protests-recovers-from-surgery-in-milwaukee-hospital
You aren't watching news, you're watching propaganda.
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Since it's not too far from Chicago, how feasible would be for some stockyard bound steers to "escape" on to the streets of Kenosha? Someone livestream it and I'll make the popcorn
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Since it's not too far from Chicago, how feasible would be for some stockyard bound steers to "escape" on to the streets of Kenosha? Someone livestream it and I'll make the popcorn
My Dad has a few longhorn cattle. They are pretty gentle around people, but those horns are intimidating as hell.
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And it's laughable that he thought he could be some sort of superman neutral middle ground libertarian, "support" BLM, scrub graffiti, be a "medic", and also guard against arson and looting. Considering how much anecdotal protester-on-protester violence there's been that's a fools errand if I've ever heard one.
Not really laughable. Most 17 year old boys have some pretty serious delusions about what they are capable and they love a fool's errand.
And at least he wasn't limiting himself to thinking he was going to send Susie RottenCrotch to heaven in 30 seconds or less in the backseat of his car.
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Hence why a 17 year old kid from another state was with them. :facepalm:
Being "from another state" is a meaningless argument.
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If this is to be believed, it changes some of the context about why Rittenhouse was there. The narrative of him traveling there from out of state to shoot someone doesn't hold up either. It sounds like Kenosha was more his home community than what has been portrayed so far. This makes some more sense as to why he was there cleaning up graffiti and that he was asked to help with guarding property. He didn't bring the firearm there from IL either apparently.
I still think he should have just gone home that night instead, but this sounds completely different than him randomly deciding he was going to go to Kenosha and randomly try to guard stuff.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
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All this hoopla in the media about Kyle crossing state lines but the commie little *expletive deleted*s they call “peaceful protesters” are free to travel to another state to terrorize communities that would otherwise not have an issue
My father owned a business in another state and drove their every day. As it was his livelihood we would have had to defend it and I could have easily ended up in a similar situation.
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If this is to be believed, it changes some of the context about why Rittenhouse was there. The narrative of him traveling there from out of state to shoot someone doesn't hold up either. It sounds like Kenosha was more his home community than what has been portrayed so far. This makes some more sense as to why he was there cleaning up graffiti and that he was asked to help with guarding property. He didn't bring the firearm there from IL either apparently.
I still think he should have just gone home that night instead, but this sounds completely different than him randomly deciding he was going to go to Kenosha and randomly try to guard stuff.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
Well, he is a 17 year old kid. And at that age they believe they are indestructible and also pseudo Green Berets. His motives were good and I agree with those who wonder why those who are older than him, who are criminals, riot, burn, loot, scream invectives, travel from other locations, seem to get a pass and he is excoriated. I think they should give the kid a medal.
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He worked in Kenosha, was asked by a business owner to guard some buildings, and the rifle itself never crossed state lines.
The New York Times ran a story confirming that Kyle's actions were self-defense. The New York Times!
And what are the odds that of all the peaceful protesters in that area that he only shot convicted felons? Amazing. Also two of them lived farther from Kenosha than Kyle does.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
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Also Facebook has banned support fr Kyle under because they claim it is a mass shooting and FB does not allow support to be shown for mass-shooters.
Of course people are defying this.
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Also Facebook has banned support fr Kyle under because they claim it is a mass shooting and FB does not allow support to be shown for mass-shooters.
Of course people are defying this.
They're actually using the term "mass murder"
"We’ve designated this shooting as a mass murder and have removed the shooter’s accounts from Facebook and Instagram," the spokesperson said in a statement. "At this time, we have not found evidence on Facebook that suggests the shooter followed the Kenosha Guard Page or that he was invited on the Event Page they organized."
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He worked in Kenosha, was asked by a business owner to guard some buildings, and the rifle itself never crossed state lines.
The New York Times ran a story confirming that Kyle's actions were self-defense. The New York Times!
And what are the odds that of all the peaceful protesters in that area that he only shot convicted felons? Amazing. Also two of them lived farther from Kenosha than Kyle does.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
Then again, only convicted felons attacked him. Self selection for the Darwinian win.
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Looking back on some images from the LA riots that popped up on my social media feeds today another thing stands out. Rooftop Koreans had the high ground, and a defensible position. This kid was trying to do the Mogadishu Mile. Not a great position to be in.
These rioters favor molotovs and arson. Stuck on the roof of a burning building while surrounded by an angry mob that surpasses your round loadout ten-fold is not a good place to be.
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These rioters favor molotovs and arson. Stuck on the roof of a burning building while surrounded by an angry mob that surpasses your round loadout ten-fold is not a good place to be.
True, but the angry mob doesn't know what round count is.
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Round count? Many times this year it has shown that only a few are needed and everyone else runs.
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Round count? Many times this year it has shown that only a few are needed and everyone else runs.
Exactly. Those people are rioters and looters, not fighters.
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Round count? Many times this year it has shown that only a few are needed and everyone else runs.
True. In the video of the kid shooting after he had fallen, notice that after two people had been shot everyone else scattered.
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Trump is alluding that he believes Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. That should be causing some head explosions.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/31/wheres-the-lie-reporter-shocked-that-president-trump-suggested-kyle-rittenhouse-acted-out-of-self-defense/
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The
policeprotestors acted stupidly.
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If Trump had another son he would look like Kyle Rittenhouse.
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Of course it's completely wrong for Trump to express an opinion on this case without having al the facts ...
But it was perfectly okay for Obama to blame the white cop in Cambridge for arresting a black professor who was seen breaking into a house and who refused to identify himself when questioned. The cop was clearly a racist, and that's all anyone needed to know.
Double standard ... double standard ... double standard
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Short video
Break down of some of the charges and info. Sounds to me many of charges exonerate him at the same time.
Of note: Rosenbaum (aka head shot guy aka the pedophile) had a non-fatal glazing head wound, the fatal shot(s) were to the body.
Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts43EskooaA
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His lawyer, L. Lin Wood, has been kicked off of Twitter.
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His lawyer, L. Lin Wood, has been kicked off of Twitter.
What a surprise. ;/
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His lawyer, L. Lin Wood, has been kicked off of Twitter.
It looks like his account is still active.
https://twitter.com/LLinWood (https://twitter.com/LLinWood)
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It looks like his account is still active.
https://twitter.com/LLinWood (https://twitter.com/LLinWood)
I misunderstood, he was locked out if his account
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/attorney-for-kyle-rittenhouse-locked-of-twitter-account
Yes
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Apparently they locked him out for "glorifying violence."
He has since been unlocked
Someone asks about a donor list and after he says no he's locked out. Could be a coincidence, maybe not
On Monday, Wood revealed on Twitter that more than 11,000 donors have raised $605,550 for the legal defense of Rittenhouse, who claims the shootings in Kenosha were self-defense.
A Twitter user asked if Wood would be selling or disclosing his donor list to other groups. Lin replied "No" and added "#fightback" in reference to the name of the legal fund foundation. That was his last tweet before getting locked out.
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Wonder if the below may have twitter a bit jumpy
Wood said he's been accumulating "a mountain of evidence" to support a lawsuit against Twitter for discriminating against users based on political speech. Wood previewed a lawsuit he intends to file on behalf Sandmann that could be a class action suit and pointed to Twitter's actions against his account as the latest example of suppression of free speech. He's been vocal on Twitter about his intentions to sue.
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Wood said he's been accumulating "a mountain of evidence" to support a lawsuit against Twitter for discriminating against users based on political speech.
That's not against the law though ???
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That's not against the law though ???
He's a slander lawyer though. He may be gearing up to take a run at the whole "Platform v. Publisher" thing again so he can hold Twitter accountable for the slander it publishes.
No idea if that's really doable, but I'm not a slander lawyer.
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Just start saying Kyle aborted them and suddenly he'll be a hero to the left
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Oh, go ahead, say it. You know you want to.
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Accidentally posted in the wrong thread, that's all
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Yes. I do that a lot, too. =D
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Just start saying Kyle aborted them and suddenly he'll be a hero to the left
Post birth abortions are New York state approved.
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There are cracks beginning to show in the media narrative blitz:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-rittenhouse-kenosha-self-defense-zorn-20200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html
I wonder if the Chicago Tribune will now be banned from Facebook?
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Now imagine this case if there wasn't all the video evidence.
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Now imagine this case if there wasn't all the video evidence.
[Looks around for the SJW police]
Well if there weren't all the video evidence he could have just gone home and not said anything......
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Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.
Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.
“There is a failure on the part of Facebook to act based upon warnings that result[ed] in armed militias violating state law and in the case of Rittenhouse going to a peaceful protest to violently repress and deter American citizens from engaging in their constitutional rights,” attorney Jason Flores-Williams, who filed the suit, told BuzzFeed News.
Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/partner-of-man-killed-in-kenosha-sues-facebook-militia-groups-rittenhouse/
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Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/partner-of-man-killed-in-kenosha-sues-facebook-militia-groups-rittenhouse/
From the article:
The lawsuit seeks compensatory and statutory damages — the amount to be determined — as well as an injunction against Facebook prohibiting the company “from violating its own policies that are supposed to prevent violent rhetoric, militia groups, and other racially motivated hate groups from congregating and interacting on its site.”
So the plaintiffs want Facebook to ban BLM? And Antifa? I'm all in favor.
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And watch them win. :facepalm:
Claims filed on behalf of two men shot by an Illinois teen during a night of protests over a police shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, allege the city and Kenosha County were negligent in their response to the unrest.
Gaige Grosskreutz, who was seriously wounded, and the parents of Anthony Huber, who was killed, have each filed $10 million claim notices with both the city and county. The notices usually are precursors to lawsuits filed against local governments.
Surviving Rittenhouse Attacker Files Negligence Claims Against City of Kenosha, County
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/surviving-rittenhouse-attacker-files-negligence-claims-against-kenosha-city-county/
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Sigh
If the kid was ANTIFA think we would ever hear his name again?
Kyle Rittenhouse failed to inform the court of his change of address within 48 hours of moving, Kenosha County prosecutors alleged in a motion filed with Judge Bruce Schroeder. The motion asks Schroeder to issue an arrest warrant and increase Rittenhouse’s bail by $200,000.
Prosecutors Move to Rearrest Kyle Rittenhouse After He Changed Address Without Notice
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/prosecutors-move-to-rearrest-kyle-rittenhouse-after-he-changed-address-without-notice/
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Sigh
If the kid was ANTIFA think we would ever hear his name again?
Whaddaya mean "again"? They don't publicize the names of the mostly peaceful arsonists.