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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Nick1911 on September 12, 2020, 12:41:50 AM
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I don't think this poll has been posted here yet.
Who do you think will win the 2020 presidential election, and why?
Additionally, how do you see the house and senate shaking out?
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I’m real worried about a senate flip. I think it’s the quiet plan to do just that with fraud. I’ve seen some ads from them emphasizing that they only need 4 seats to flip and with so many states that have been infected by transplants these days... the Dems are pouring a shitton of money into areas where they think they can make it happen. For my state the Dems are heavily pushing Jamie Harrison to unseat Lindsay Graham. It’s purely an emotional appeal too, they haven’t said one word about his politics in the commercials or flyers just about how “good” of a person he is.
I think Trump has a decent chance of re-election. I don’t see anybody who wasn’t already a virulent anti-TrumpEr (and usually angry frothing at the mouth) declaring their support for Biden.
If these aholes get full control it will be civil war time because they will do what they have done to VA on a national scale.
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With the caveat that there are still almost two months for a SHTF event, at this point I believe Trump will win handily. I believe all the riots and looting have gained Trump votes, or at least kept some who might vote dem at home. Additionally, the financial experts are in nearly full agreement that the third and fourth quarters are going to be off the charts. If third quarter results come out before the election, that will also help Trump.
This is probably a separate topic, but there is enough TDS that even a big win will not be accepted. We have all heard what Hillary Clinton said, and Pelosi, Schumer, et al will lead the march to that regardless of what it does to our country.
I honestly have no idea what will happen in the House and Senate. Right now I'm going to take a guess that we gain a few seats in the house and continue to barely hold the majority in the Senate.
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I think a house flip is feasible. Maybe not real high probability but the seats that got Pelosi her throne were not moonbat ones and those districts have got to be weary of how far left everything is running. That will be the Biden machine's fault. Someone noted he is the first candidate to secure the nomination and then pivot to pandering to his base rather than a centrist general campaign. That's because they have a case of stockholm syndrome with their base.
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I still haven't recovered from the shock of Trump winning in 2016.
All bets are off for me.
If it weren't for the mail in ballots I would say Trump and the R's would run the table White House and both houses of congress.
Mail in ballots are a game changer and not for the better.
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I wouldn't surprise me if Trump won on election night and the Dems worked to steal the election over the next couple of weeks with mail in ballots, endless recounts, etc.
Remember the Bush/Gore thing in Florida, hanging chads and all? Imagine something twice as acrimonious going on in 30 or 40 states, punctuated with planned riots in many cities, with most TV networks egging them on.
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I wouldn't surprise me if Trump won on election night and the Dems worked to steal the election over the next couple of weeks with mail in ballots, endless recounts, etc.
Remember the Bush/Gore thing in Florida, hanging chads and all? Imagine something twice as acrimonious going on in 30 or 40 states, punctuated with planned riots in many cities, with most TV networks egging them on.
And that was a somewhat close race. I believe this time it will happen even if Trump takes a ridiculous amount of electoral votes.
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I'm reasonably certain Trump wins, the other stuff?
No idea
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It will be close but I think Trump wins with the same map as 2016 minus 1 or 2 states.
House stays D by a safe margin
Senate will still be R but razor thin. maybe split 50/50
Things in general will continue to decline at approximately their current (2020) rate.
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Things in general will continue to decline at approximately their current (2020) rate.
Possibly the most pessimistic thing I’ve ever heard.
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I am not sanguine about this election at all. If this were to be a typical presidential election of years past, I think Trump would win handily what with the number of folks that (anecdotally, no hard data) appear to be crossing over to his side. However, this election will not be typical as the Democrats will have their vote fraud machine turned up well past eleven. There just will not be enough new Trump votes to overcome the Democrat fraud machine.
Coupled with the mail-in voting that many states are shifting to, this will cost Trump the election and will probably flip the Senate. The House will stay the same.
Also, I don't put much stock in talk about polls not being representative of the electorate, or of there being a lot of hidden Trump supporters, or the mythical Silent Majority coming out to vote Republican this time. There just isn't any hard data pointing to any of these things being true. I believe most of it is just wishful thinking on the part of Trump supporters.
And I truly hope that I am being overly pessimistic.
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As just one isolated data point - I live in a suburb just west of Austin, TX. I've been living here for 20+ years. In all that time I've never seen a local political rally or event.
Until now.
Last couple of weekends, there's been a Trump MAGA rally at the local library, which happens to be across from the police station. Numbers haven't been very large - probably less than 100 - but these are the FIRST rallies I've EVER seen around here.
And they're for Trump.
Last week there was a counter protest by BLM across the street from the Trump rally, on the sidewalk in front of the police station. THREE people, two of them white. :rofl:
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I think he'll win handily but he opens himself up to ridicule at times.
Just watched the Trump rally in Nevada and at the end he promised that the US will not only land a woman on the Moon but we'll also land an astronaut on Mars.
These are ridiculous promises that he doesn't need to make. There's no way he can follow through on these things.
Just stick to doable things, man.
Don't give the left and the press an opening to mock you.
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I think he'll win handily but he opens himself up to ridicule at times.
Just watched the Trump rally in Nevada and at the end he promised that the US will not only land a woman on the Moon but we'll also land an astronaut on Mars.
These are ridiculous promises that he doesn't need to make. There's no way he can follow through on these things.
Just stick to doable things, man.
Don't give the left and the press an opening to mock you.
A woman on the moon is easy peasy. He could do that by the middle of his next term, if Elon Musk doesn't do it first.
This is one where I would put my "diversity is racist" mantra aside, and recommend he put a black, gay, woman on the moon, just to explode every lefty head in the country.
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I work in a very leftist environment, cutting edge progressivism actually.
Much of our local customer base is onboard with the program also.
The voting patterns around here have changed over the last couple decades.
Stranger in a strange land is how I feel living and working within 15 miles of where I grew up.
I'm seeing Biden signs and Casten yard signs around but I've only seen one Trump sign.
Dupage County was once a bastion of "nice" Republicanism.
Nice Republicanism always surrenders and compromises with the left, it conserves nothing.
Nice Republicanism is neither republican nor conservative. It is controlled opposition. A fifth column opposed to actual conservative social values and republican governance.
If Trump wins this county I will be (pleasantly) surprised.
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. . . Nice Republicanism always preemptively surrenders and compromises with the left, it conserves nothing . . .
FIFY, since they routinely give up even before battle is joined.
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A woman on the moon is easy peasy. He could do that by the middle of his next term, if Elon Musk doesn't do it first.
True. Sending someone is easy. Getting them back, not so much.
And the Mas thing would have to have been set in motion before now. That's a long trip requiring a long prep time and I have not noticed such in the works.
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I have no doubt the media would find a way to give Obama credit for it.
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And the Mas thing would have to have been set in motion before now. That's a long trip requiring a long prep time and I have not noticed such in the works.
The radiation and long term zero g issues still have to be resolved, those are the big brick walls
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True. Sending someone is easy. Getting them back, not so much.
And the Mas thing would have to have been set in motion before now. That's a long trip requiring a long prep time and I have not noticed such in the works.
He didn't say who was going to the moon. Maybe it is Pelosi. [popcorn]
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A woman on the moon is easy peasy. He could do that by the middle of his next term, if Elon Musk doesn't do it first.
This is one where I would put my "diversity is racist" mantra aside, and recommend he put a conservative black, gay, woman on the moon, just to explode every lefty head in the country.
Fixed it to cause nukular explosions.
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He didn't say who was going to the moon. Maybe it is Pelosi. [popcorn]
One of these days to the moon Nancy, to the moon!
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Mordor on the Potomac will win. Just like every other election.
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It may be too early, but I'm noticing something very unusual. I live in a heavily Democratic town in a heavily Democratic state. For the 2008 and 2012 elections there were a LOT of Obama yard signs, and few for the Republican candidates. For 2016 there were a LOT of Hillary yard signs, and very VERY few Trump yard signs.
This year I'm seeing multiple Trump yard signs but, so far, I have seen exactly one Biden yard sign -- and that's in front of a house that's inhabited by certified libtard space cadets. I pass that house once a week -- it's on my route to the transfer station. For years, they have been putting up bright yellow yard signs, scribbled in black marker with some garbage verbiage about their favorite cause du jour. For the past several weeks the messages have been pro-BLM -- and yesterday a Biden sign had joined the mix.
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Biden Livery Matters!
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Libertarian Party Reminds Americans They Can Actually Choose Lesser Of Three Evils
https://babylonbee.com/news/libertarians-remind-americans-they-can-actually-choose-lesser-of-three-evils/?utm_content=buffer25ccc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Many conservatives have reportedly taken the Libertarian Party's message to heart, choosing to vote for the least of three evils: Trump.
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Trump Agrees To FOUR HOUR Biden Debate Hosted By Joe Rogan
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-agrees-to-four-hour-biden-debate-hosted-by-joe-rogan/
Kennedy’s tweet read: “On my podcast with @joerogan he offered to moderate a debate between @JoeBiden and @realDonaldTrump It would be four hours with no live audience. Just the two candidates, cameras, and their vision of how to move this country forward. Who wants this? #debates #Election2020”
Trump responded on twitter "I do!". No response from the Biden campaign.
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The only yard signs I have seen have read "Jesus 2020."
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The only yard signs I have seen have read "Jesus 2020."
Does that mean they are for Christ or is it some form of expletive?
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Ignoring some of the typical opinion slant in this piece, it does make some excellent points.
both sides need reminding of the lesson of 1884 — and a core tenet of the American electoral system: Not every defect in the voting process renders an election invalid. Now, perhaps more than ever — with all the uncertainty that the pandemic brings to the election this fall — we must draw a bright line between a flawed election and one that has truly failed. A flawed election is not ideal, but its results still should be accepted, unlike in a failed election, which does not represent the choice of the voters.
There are two key points to understand here in the context of the current election. First, disinformation, even by ill-willed foreign adversaries, does not, in itself, invalidate an election. Second, disenfranchisement, as abhorrent as it is, invalidates an election only when it exists on a scale large enough to affect the election’s outcome. What matters isn’t whether the process was perfect, but whether the democratic will of the people was served.
All elections have flaws. And in today’s environment of mistrust, it’s easy for politicians to exploit those flaws to cast doubt on the whole result. When problems inevitably arise this fall — and when the two sides inevitably raise objections — then the loser, the loser’s party and the American people need to be prepared to know whether there truly is cause for some kind of recount or “redo,” or whether to accept the electoral verdict and move on.
I guess the big question is how flawed can an election be and still be "valid". I also think way too much focus is on the presidential candidates/campaigns when all the action happens with your local municipal clerks and state elections officials. That's where the trust needs to be.
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Ignoring some of the typical opinion slant in this piece, it does make some excellent points.
I guess the big question is how flawed can an election be and still be "valid". I also think way too much focus is on the presidential candidates/campaigns when all the action happens with your local municipal clerks and state elections officials. That's where the trust needs to be.
A subset of that is how long do you give to decide if an election is flawed or not? A week? A month? A year? That will be especially relevant this year with "waiting for all the mail-in ballots".
I really wish they would make some kind of national deadline (for national elections) that mail-in/absentee ballots must all be postmarked by "X" time that is at least a week prior to Election Day. Also, no "bags of ballots in the trunk". Your ballot gets mailed to your county. So mail it yourself, don't hand it off to random groups that want to "get out the vote". Put it in the damn mailbox, and no more forgotten bags of ballots that only show up later, after the "wrong" guy loses on Election Day.
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A subset of that is how long do you give to decide if an election is flawed or not? A week? A month? A year? That will be especially relevant this year with "waiting for all the mail-in ballots".
There are deadlines for when the states need to certify their results and their electors meet.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/5
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/7
There are some battleground states with laws saying clerks can't do anything to begin processing mail/absentee ballots until election day. That makes sense for having poll watchers to keep an eye on things but it also means it could legitimately take a long time. That has traditionally been my small volunteer contribution on election day - opening ballot envelopes at the clerks office and I expect the only difference this year is that it will take much longer than a half day. =|
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Gay men jumping on the Trump train. (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/16/survey-finds-that-45-percent-of-gay-men-are-going-to-forgo-their-morals-and-vote-for-president-trump/)
45% of gay men who are both registered and will vote is probably a very small amount of votes but it's funny that another group the Dems thought they owned is deserting them.
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True. Sending someone is easy. Getting them back, not so much.
And the Mas thing would have to have been set in motion before now. That's a long trip requiring a long prep time and I have not noticed such in the works.
Uhh no. Both are actually quite hard. And from a delta-V standpoint getting home is only a quarter as difficult. =D
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The "Trump Road Rally 2.0" is scheduled to kick off this Sunday at 3:00 PM at LP Frans Stadium just over the hill about a half mile away from my house. The road rally will follow a 61 mile course through four different counties, finishing up in Wilkes County at the U.S. Highway 412/Interstate 77 interchange.
This is the first local rally I've heard of, though I don't look at local news all that much. The first road rally August supposedly attracted 600 vehicles.
edited, left out a word.
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Gay men jumping on the Trump train. (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/16/survey-finds-that-45-percent-of-gay-men-are-going-to-forgo-their-morals-and-vote-for-president-trump/)
45% of gay men who are both registered and will vote is probably a very small amount of votes but it's funny that another group the Dems thought they owned is deserting them.
Is anyone else reminded of the complaints that Buttij-g? Mayor Pete and his "husband" were so vanilla they didn't really even qualify as "gay"? Sounds like these guys are getting their gay cards revoked, too.
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=D
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Biden voter attacks elderly Trump rally-goers. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/angry-leftist-smacks-84-year-old-female-trump-supporter-across-face-trump-rally-aliso-viejo-beats-another-senior-video/)
With supporters like this how can Biden possibly lose?
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So even far left outlets like Politico let CNN have it for their democrat filled, softball Town Hall with Biden, which followed an "attack hall" by ABC with Trump. A few points from the CNN campaign rally:
Biden claims that Trump is responsible for every single covid death in the US. Which would infer that if Biden were President, there would not have been a single covid death. I guess the sheep might buy that.
Both Biden and Anderson Cooper made a big deal about social distancing (in fact it was a "drive-in" Town Hall). However, they were caught, when they thought they were on a commercial break, with Biden whispering in Cooper's ear. Some social distancing.
One of the questioner's told Biden that when she looked past her Biden yard sign, all she could see was a sea of Trump signs. :laugh:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-town-hall-panned-for-softball-questions-for-biden
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He wasn't whisphering he was sniffing his hair.
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=D
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Biden's unpopularity with hispanics is Trump's fault. :rofl:
Washington Post. Journalism dies in darkness.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/18/wapo-op-ed-lets-joe-biden-know-who-to-blame-for-his-weakness-among-hispanics-just-guess/
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https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/17/trump-hate-is-not-enough/
I have railed in this and in other outlets many times in recent months against what I have described as a pantomime horse of the Democratic campaign conducted by a “decayed servitor, a waxworks dummy . . . following the science” by hiding in the catacombs of his Delaware home and giving minimum access to docile journalists and practically no authentic members of the public. It must be said that the Democratic Party elders who resuscitated the political corpses of the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris presidential nomination candidacies have performed a political miracle by keeping this ramshackle imposture in serious contention....
Perhaps the novel concept of “super-storms,” (which Biden’s election would banish like a halcyon before they arose) would replace the growing public concern about the urban guerrillas with whom the Democratic Party played footsie all summer. One of my very learned readers, a scientist in Mobile, Alabama who would be happy to adhere to the Biden counsel to “follow the science,” wrote to me on Monday night that he had to stock .38 caliber ammunition from a pawnshop because the normal emporia were sold out. He added that “the fact that the general public is opposed to being murdered by the friskier elements of the Democratic base seems to have eluded the nominee’s political consultants.”
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If this ruling stands then Wisconsin won't have a result until a week after election day.
Conley ruled that absentee ballots would be counted if they are postmarked by Nov. 3 — election day — and received by clerks by Nov. 9.
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Well, Bloomberg is doing his part:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517522-bloomberg-pays-fines-for-32000-felons-in-florida-so-they-can-vote
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It will be close but I think Trump wins with the same map as 2016 minus 1 or 2 states.
House stays D by a safe margin
Senate will still be R but razor thin. maybe split 50/50
Things in general will continue to decline at approximately their current (2020) rate.
4 weeks to go, I'm changing my prediction. Trump is losing 3 or 4 states he had in 2016, which will be enough for Biden to win.
Other predictions remain the same. I may change again in two weeks, we'll see.
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I'm still really flustered that Biden seems to be doing as well in the polls --- people really want this statist tax-@-spend loony lefty dementia-sotted word-salad spouting autocrat in the Oval office?? Really? :facepalm:
OH MY GOD!!!!!
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It is still looking like Trumpslide 2020 discounting any voting shenanigans.
Any uncertainty comes from the obvious voter fraud being attempted.
The never Trumpers are losers, nobody is listening to them.
They've shown themselves to be controlled opposition, crytpo leftists.
Trump has already replaced their lost votes with people that like America (of the traditional view).
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I think Trump's already marginal chance of being re-elected was further diminished by his catching the beer virus. I do not believe it gained him many sympathy votes. It likely turned a bunch of single-issue (COVID) voters that previously agreed with his leadership on the pandemic against him. There are many voters out there that are unreasonably afraid over the issue.
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I keep hearing he is closing the gap the polls say is there. I am inclined to think Trump will win and will get more support from minorities. I heard one poll mentioned yesterday that showed Biden with a 14 point lead. It was pointed out that the same poll showed the same lead for Hillary 4 years ago.
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It will be hard for me to believe a Biden victory. Think about it. If Trump was going to lose, he should have lost in 16, when Literally Everyone said he would enslave all the brown people, and make the women handmaids, and nuke China. After 4 years of solid accomplishments, even with a lot of chaos, he should be getting a lot more votes. The Democrats aren't more enthused this time. They aren't more united. They are even less attractive to the moderates and undecideds.
I think Trump's already marginal chance of being re-elected was further diminished by his catching the beer virus. I do not believe it gained him many sympathy votes. It likely turned a bunch of single-issue (COVID) voters that previously agreed with his leadership on the pandemic against him. There are many voters out there that are unreasonably afraid over the issue.
I would have to have that one explained to me. If anything, Trump's experience with covid thus far vindicates him. As he just finished saying, we shouldn't live in fear. We're going to beat it. So far, he hasn't lived in fear and he is beating it.
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Think about it. If Trump was going to lose, he should have lost in 16, when Literally Everyone said he would enslave all the brown people, and make the women handmaids, and nuke China.
According to the media, Dims, and Hollywood elites it's two down one to go
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I would have to have that one explained to me. If anything, Trump's experience with covid thus far vindicates him. As he just finished saying, we shouldn't live in fear. We're going to beat it. So far, he hasn't lived in fear and he is beating it.
I agree, a voter that is not living in a state of unreasonable fear of the beer virus would see Trump's recovery as vindication. However, too many voters have an unreasonable fear of the virus, and those are the ones Trump will lose.
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However, too many voters have an unreasonable fear of the virus, and those are the ones Trump will lose.
Trump was always behind with suburban women, but if he loses seniors anywhere close to what recent polls are showing that will cost him the election. Those are 2 groups that consistently vote and his numbers with both groups seem to be getting worse.
National and swing-state polls in the last week show an exodus among voters 65 and older from Trump to Biden, an alarming sign for the president after NBC News exit polls showed he won that crucial Republican-leaning cohort by 8 points in 2016.
A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Biden leading Trump by 14 points, his largest advantage ever in the survey. Among seniors 65 and older, Biden led by a startling 27 points, marking a 23-point swing in his direction in one month.
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If polls were elections this election would be Hillary going for her 2nd term.
Weren't the dems polling way ahead in 2000 and 2004?
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The only thing Biden has going in his favor over Hillary is that she was "Ugh!", and he's just "meh".
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I have think I have a new preferred outcome. Trump loses but wins the popular by a yuge margin. Two years of dysfunctional and then a congressional housecleaning. [popcorn] [popcorn]
Wouldn’t help but he country of course but I want to see the usual suspects defend the electoral college.
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I agree, a voter that is not living in a state of unreasonable fear of the beer virus would see Trump's recovery as vindication. However, too many voters have an unreasonable fear of the virus, and those are the ones Trump will lose.
But you were talking about voters switching from Trump to Biden because he caught the virus. How does that work? Are they voting for whoever has some magical immunity juice?
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I never said they would be switching to Biden, fistful. They could just as easily stay home or not vote for either presidential candidate.
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I don't think he can beat the margin of fraud.
I think Biden Harris will win by a razor thin margin and we're all *expletive deleted*ed.
I also don't think we will know the final outcome for weeks or longer while all the "found" votes get counted after election night.
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Unfortunately I think Biden/Harris is going to win, because of this I moved about 30% of my investments over to an guarenteed rate funds at the advisement of one of my financial advisers.
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Unfortunately I think Biden/Harris is going to win, because of this I moved about 30% of my investments over to an guarenteed rate funds at the advisement of one of my financial advisers.
While I'm keeping my index funds at Vanguard where they are, I was looking at moving all my stock indexes in the TSP into the treasury fund until after the election for just in case. I still think Trump will win, but I also believe they will "resist" and not accept election results. Stocks will take a big hit, if only temporarily. My TSP stock funds are way up this year, so I'd be doing end of year reallocation anyway.
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Unfortunately I think Biden/Harris is going to win, because of this I moved about 30% of my investments over to an guarenteed rate funds at the advisement of one of my financial advisers.
About a week ago I moved 37.5% out of index funds.
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A tie in the EC doesn't seem like that far fetched of a possibility either.
(https://www.270towin.com/maps/RAmbd.png)
That's the 2016 map with just MI, PA, and ME2 flipped
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I seem to recall most projections had Hillary in the mid 300s
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I seem to recall most projections propaganda had Hillary in the mid 300s
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Interesting graphics:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/11/beware-must-read-thread-of-actual-numbers-versus-polling-in-2016-compared-to-2020-will-terrify-journos-and-democrats/
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I do hope Trump wings. However, the thing I was most hoping for from a second Trump term was a replacement for Ginsberg. So, it looks like I may be getting my wish anyway.
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I do hope Trump wings.
Yes. It is time for him to emerge from his cocoon, fully-formed and able to fly so he can terrify the left even more by swooping down upon them when they least expect it.
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Interesting graphics:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/11/beware-must-read-thread-of-actual-numbers-versus-polling-in-2016-compared-to-2020-will-terrify-journos-and-democrats/
That's nice, but peeps gotta go do the votins' for it to matter.
If Dem turnout is higher than expected than the comparison to 2016 won't matter.
On the other hand, there is a survey that shows that Dems are far more worried about the Coof than are Reps and thus might not show up at the polls and will vote by mail. But that sort of voting has a high rate of ballots being rejected for various reasons so the Dems might lose a lot of votes both in numbers and as a percentage.
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. . . On the other hand, there is a survey that shows that Dems are far more worried about the Coof than are Reps and thus might not show up at the polls and will vote by mail. But that sort of voting has a high rate of ballots being rejected for various reasons so the Dems might lose a lot of votes both in numbers and as a percentage.
Dems are gearing to to practice lawfare in multiple states. If you thought spur of the moment recounts and legal wrangling in ONE state (Florida) was a travesty in Bush vs Gore . . . just wait until you see what the Dems have already prepared for across a broad swath of states. (Just imagine Chicago style vote manufacture across the entire country.)
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I'm expecting a repeat performance of the Philadelphia Black Panther voter intimidation campaign, in several swing municipalities, sponsored by BLM/Antifa.
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If Dem turnout is higher than expected than the comparison to 2016 won't matter.
What is "expected"?
The 2018 midterm turnout was the highest in something like 50 years, I would expect record turnout on both sides.
I would also note that the midterm predictions were very accurate (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-fivethirtyeights-2018-midterm-forecasts-did/).
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What is "expected"?
The 2018 midterm turnout was the highest in something like 50 years, I would expect record turnout on both sides.
I would also note that the midterm predictions were very accurate (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-fivethirtyeights-2018-midterm-forecasts-did/).
It all hinges on whether there is actually a motivated MAGA minority vote.
Caucasians are pretty solidified into the leftist self loathing, brains addled by critical race theory (cultural Marxism) and Democratic Socialism (economic Marxism) on one side, and the what happened to my old America? Wait, we're America, we're the good guys! Let's change slower! a little less leftist on the other side.
Actual Republicans of the right are far and few in between. Of course I do live in a county that recently flipped from R to D as the Dupage County Republicans were incapable of even conserving their own gravy train. JFK is a PaleoCon compared to most Republicans around here. So I'm jaded.
So, we will see if Trump can peel off more than a single digit of Blacks or if he will pull in more than a third of the "natural conservative" Americans of Mexican heritage.
As far as the Wealthy Rulers who are running and have run the country previously, Trump represents the better option.
He at the minimum gives lip service to some Republican and "conservative" issues.
I don't get the impression he actually hates me or my religion so that's good.
His judges will probably still sell us out but not at the breakneck speed as the leftist crazy train would.
2018 was a tough election. A lot of Republicans retired from office and the Russian collusion gaslighting project still had a head of steam.
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Trump's latest campaign message. :rofl:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California is going to hell. Vote Trump!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/12/nailed-it-president-trump-has-a-very-solid-campaign-message-for-californians/
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That's an insult to Hell.
The denizens of the infernal reaches are not going to be happy with the comparison.
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People are disinfecting their ballots and ruining them. And the ballot cannot be counted.
https://www.kcra.com/article/election-officials-ask-voters-stop-disinfecting-mail-in-ballots/34336823
The thing is that election officials are sending new ballots out. I say no. You had your chance to vote and you messed it up. No do-overs.
Since most mail-in voters are Dems and Dems are overwhelmingly panicked by Covid we should encourage people to disinfect their ballots.
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Another reason Trump won't win the election: It's 2020. Nothing happens according to plan in 2020.
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Caucasians are pretty solidified
Are you calling us white people Caucasians because that way you get to capitalize it? :laugh:
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Trump's latest campaign message. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/12/nailed-it-president-trump-has-a-very-solid-campaign-message-for-californians/
And people think he can't be succinct. =D
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Trump CAN win, whether or not he WILL win, remains up for debate.
Trump's grip on how he is perceived seems tenuous at best. There have been many "self owns" as the kids see.
We'll see. I'm trying not to be emotionally invested. It's just not worth it. Not this year.
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Another reason Trump won't win the election: It's 2020. Nothing happens according to plan in 2020.
I thought the plan was for Trump to lose though? ???
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One of my really liberal friends just posted a Trump/Pence 2020 image on their facebook page. Other Democrats started to challenge it. She replied...
I did a lot of research and realized that the other side is better for self actualization and taking care of yourself instead of government handouts. The list is long and and the research spoke that it would be more beneficial for people of poverty, color, and women.
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One of my really liberal friends just posted a Trump/Pence 2020 image on their facebook page. Other Democrats started to challenge it. She replied...
She's about to get cancelled by her "friends".
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Guilty of Wrong Think.
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https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-better-off-donald-trump-first-term-obama-bush-1537759
The latest survey from Gallup found that a clear majority of registered voters (56 percent) believed they were better off now compared to four years ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/gallup-poll-better-off-donald-trump/index.html
But here's the thing that both Trump and his campaign seem to miss: It is an incredibly damning indictment of Trump personally that, in a country where a majority of the people believe they are better off than they were four years ago, the incumbent President is currently losing badly in his bid for a second term.
That is a good question. Inconsistent with past elections.
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She's about to get cancelled by her "friends".
probably a couple, most of them I know, they may be liberal but they also respect differing opinions.
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https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-better-off-donald-trump-first-term-obama-bush-1537759
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/gallup-poll-better-off-donald-trump/index.html
CNN quote:
But here's the thing that both Trump and his campaign seem to miss: It is an incredibly damning indictment of Trump personally that, in a country where a majority of the people believe they are better off than they were four years ago, the incumbent President is currently losing badly in his bid for a second term.
That is a good question. Inconsistent with past elections.
This guy points out that the poll methodology is flawed. The Rasmussen poll that has Biden up 12% nationally, for some reason, has Trump only winning 76% of Republican voters. When his approval rating amongst Rs is 87%. (And remember he got 94% of R votes in the primary.)
https://www.theblaze.com/steve-deace/polls?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1
As this fellow says, if you look at everything other than the polls you would assume the President is going to win easily. All the metrics are on his side. The only things that say he is going to lose is the polls themselves.
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The only things that say he is going to lose is the polls themselves.
Which the dems will use as one of their "facts" that proves election fraud if he wins
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That is a good question. Inconsistent with past elections.
This guy points out that the poll methodology is flawed. The Rasmussen poll that has Biden up 12% nationally, for some reason, has Trump only winning 76% of Republican voters. When his approval rating amongst Rs is 87%. (And remember he got 94% of R votes in the primary.)
https://www.theblaze.com/steve-deace/polls?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1
As this fellow says, if you look at everything other than the polls you would assume the President is going to win easily. All the metrics are on his side. The only things that say he is going to lose is the polls themselves.
I've read many articles where pollsters are expressing frustration that people are either refusing to answer questions or not being honest in their answers.
At this point I don't feel that political polls can be relied upon with any margin of accuracy.
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Pro-Trump flotilla of 40 boats sailing in ... San Francisco Bay???
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/10/13/watch-nearly-150-join-pro-trump-boat-parade-san-francisco-bay/
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Fivethirtyeight just did a poll of pollsters. It has some interesting bits about what adjustments they've made and some pretty confident pollsters.
plenty of pollsters, including Jensen and Gary Langer of Langer Research, the primary pollster for ABC News/Washington Post, also said that this year’s polling wasn’t really keeping them up at night. “I feel pretty good about the polling in 2020 largely because the polling was so accurate in 2018, and I believe we are still fundamentally in the same political climate that we were then,” Jensen said. “The low level of undecideds in the presidential race also greatly reduces the chances of a dramatic late shift in the numbers.”
Suffolk’s Paleologos pointed to the fact that national polls were actually quite accurate in 2016 and that the states with the biggest polling errors were not polled by high-quality pollsters in the final week of the campaign; if they had been, perhaps we’d have seen Trump’s win coming. By contrast, “there is more polling in battleground states this year, and that is especially true for some of the Upper Midwest states that proved decisive in 2016,” said Pew’s Kennedy. “There has also been an uptick in the volume of state polling done by major, reputable polling organizations that use more rigorous methods.”
I still think the numbers on election day will be much closer than polls currently show.
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Lubbock had record Day 1 early voting in the 2016 pres election (8248 votes). This year's Day 1 numbers bested that by more than 25% (10,473 votes).
Brad
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One of my really liberal friends just posted a Trump/Pence 2020 image on their facebook page. Other Democrats started to challenge it. She replied...
Good for her!
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https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/15/they-cant-handle-the-truth-ice-cube-says-cnn-canceled-scheduled-interview-after-news-that-hes-been-working-with-trump/
Ice Cube says CNN canceled scheduled interview after news that he’s been working with Trump
Ice Cube
@icecube
Facts: I put out the CWBA. Both parties contacted me. Dems said we’ll address the CWBA after the election. Trump campaign made some adjustments to their plan after talking to us about the CWBA.
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The way I've heard it is that folks voting for Pres Trump should do so early. I believe that once a candidate has 51% of a state's registered voters he is declared the winner of that state ...
Let the counting go on forever ... 51% of the registered voters = winner ... no idea if this is accurate though it does make sense.
:old:
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Vote early, vote often.
Due to the anticipated heavy voter turnout voting has been extended to two days. Republicans vote on Tuesday, democrats vote on Wednesday.
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I've read many articles where pollsters are expressing frustration that people are either refusing to answer questions or not being honest in their answers.
At this point I don't feel that political polls can be relied upon with any margin of accuracy.
I've had three different political poll calls in the last ten days. I told them all that I never discuss politics, and then I hung up.
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In my town there was a pro-Trump rally and truck parade today.
100's of vehicles were involved and it went on for hours.
There had been a paucity of Trump signs and such lately.
Biden signs are everywhere now.
However as of today I've noticed a lot more Trump signs popping up all over town.
Don't know what they were waiting for but it's good to see.
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:old: Behold, the Trumpslide 2020 cometh [popcorn]
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Miles long pro-Trump car parade in NYC! (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/wow-massive-jewish-trump-supporters-car-parade-brooklyn-bridge-new-york-city/)
NYC!
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And they're being physically attacked... (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/jewish-trump-supporters-attacked-new-york-city-video/)
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:old: Behold, the Trumpslide 2020 cometh [popcorn]
I typically agree with everything you say.
I sure hope you are right, but I doubt it... =(
(I'm usually wrong, thank God).
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^,^
Grumpy Old Man Behold, the Trumpslide 2020 cometh Popcorn
...
^
I typically agree with everything you say.
I sure hope you are right, but I doubt it... sad
(I'm usually wrong, thank God).
I'm having trouble figuring out that sequence. ???
Terry, 230RN
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And they're being physically attacked... (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/jewish-trump-supporters-attacked-new-york-city-video/)
I'm sure they'll all be charged with hate crimes....oh wait.
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It's zombie season, beware!
https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1320710737430458368
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Mainstream syndicated cartoonist
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/189/700/original/23a0dd563778ece1.png?1603683451 (https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/189/700/original/23a0dd563778ece1.png?1603683451)
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Mainstream syndicated cartoonist
(https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/189/700/original/23a0dd563778ece1.png?1603683451)
He's not wrong....
Xinnie the Pooh has long known most American politiciatians/businessmen are for sale.
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I guess this is as good a place as any:
Hillary tells @karaswisher
"So there is an air of illegitimacy that surrounds Trump’s presidency, and that just infuriates them....Because I was the candidate that they basically stole an election from."
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/26/get-some-therapy-hillary-clinton-rants-about-being-the-candidate-that-they-basically-stole-an-election-from/
Shouldn't Twitter be censoring her for disseminating false information?
This "stole the election" and "illegitimate" outrage is going to happen when Trump wins this time, except 10X more. I happened to run into two neighbors today, and both of them brought up the same thing: Riots, sabotage, and the entire left refusing to accept and working against Trump by any means necessary if he is reelected. They were both legitimately concerned and said almost the exact same thing (I talked to them separately): "Will we have a country after November 3rd?"
AFAIK, neither neighbor is really into politics, but both of them have a real fear that things are going to get bad.
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Trump is up 10 points just in Philadelphia.
Meaning Biden is doing worse than Clinton did there.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/trouble-joe-biden-president-trump-mopping-pennsylvania-vote-joe-biden-lags-crooked-hillary-latest-philly-numbers/
That can't be good for Joe.
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Trump is up 10 points just in Philadelphia.
Meaning Biden is doing worse than Clinton did there.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/trouble-joe-biden-president-trump-mopping-pennsylvania-vote-joe-biden-lags-crooked-hillary-latest-philly-numbers/
That can't be good for Joe.
Dems: We're going to need a bigger Magic Station Wagon of Ballots
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Dems: We're going to need a bigger Magic Station Wagon of Ballots
More or less. I wouldn't mind being wrong on this one.
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Y’all can believe polls if you want but I’ll trust what I see instead. People taking the time to participate in massive parades and rallies, people paying their own money to wrap vehicles including tractor trailers, and people flying flags, signs, wearing hats and tshirts everywhere...and they aren’t doing this stuff for Harris/Biden. The most I see for Biden is some yard signs...not even any bumper stickers hardly. Trump is tremendously popular among the working class. I think that’s one of the reason the left hates him so much, it’s all those flyover rubes who put him in office.
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Y’all can believe polls if you want but I’ll trust what I see instead. People taking the time to participate in massive parades and rallies, people paying their own money to wrap vehicles including tractor trailers, and people flying flags, signs, wearing hats and tshirts everywhere...and they aren’t doing this stuff for Harris/Biden. The most I see for Biden is some yard signs...not even any bumper stickers hardly. Trump is tremendously popular among the working class. I think that’s one of the reason the left hates him so much, it’s all those flyover rubes who put him in office.
That is one of the reasons I am leaning heavily toward a Trump victory. When Obama won, he was pulling in big crowds with lots of enthusiasm. Even Hilary had actual campaign events with actual people.
Voting against the other guy is rarely a big draw. I don't think people come out if they don't have someone to vote for.
The other part in the back of my mind is I have seen how much lying and cheating the media has been willing to do this year and the last 4 years. The same people run the polling. I recall something Rush said years ago, that the polls all want to be right on election day. What they say weeks or months ahead of the election is meaningless.
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This analysis looks accurate to me https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-trump-needs-to-win/
With the 2016 map as a starting point, the most likely way Trump loses is by WI, MI & PA flipping.
I am curious to see what happens in AZ, but I don't think that will be a "tipping point" state.
Voting against the other guy is rarely a big draw. I don't think people come out if they don't have someone to vote for.
This may have been true in the past, but like so many other "laws of politics" I don't think it applies to Trump.
There were a lot of people who weren't enthusiastic at all about Trump but voted against Clinton.
I don't think anyone is excited to vote for Biden but plenty will vote against Trump.
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I wonder what effect the violence in "Blue" cities (like last night in Philly) will have. Love Trump or hate him, I don't think anyone thinks Biden has a credible plan to stop police shootings and the ensuing riots that seem to be the norm.
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I think I just stopped a Biden vote this week with some dialogue.
She's not voting Trump either. But she's not going to empower Biden with a tick in his box.
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Got a coffee this morning and was talking to the barista for a minute while she was making the brew. Young gal, early 20's, been voting democrat since she could vote. She lives in Vancouver, WA, works in Portland.
She's voting for Trump this year.
That's the kind of thing that should scare the [censored] out of dems
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(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122400823_3592486134142167_6194920051260208630_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fLQzMdfQuDwAX8FWyrF&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=bfdc07b04652bd859fe2a876b225bde5&oe=5FBF6539)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1321195996416651264
Another fun Trump campaign commercial.
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Hmmmm . . . anyone know anything about the general political leanings of The Boston Herald?
s://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/27/the-herald-endorses-president-trump/ (http://s://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/27/the-herald-endorses-president-trump/)
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*
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(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122400823_3592486134142167_6194920051260208630_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fLQzMdfQuDwAX8FWyrF&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=bfdc07b04652bd859fe2a876b225bde5&oe=5FBF6539)
Available at Amazon.com?? ?? ?? ?
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Available at Amazon.com?? ?? ?? ?
Sold out, 4 year back order
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31% of blacks intend to vote for Trump? (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/historic-31-black-voters-intend-cast-vote-president-trump-latest-poll/)
If that holds up Trump will win in a landslide and the Dems are finished as a party.
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31% of blacks intend to vote for Trump? (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/historic-31-black-voters-intend-cast-vote-president-trump-latest-poll/)
If that holds up Trump will win in a landslide and the Dems are finished as a party.
Has a Republican ever broken out of single digits with that demographic?
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Yes but my mind just went blank.
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Has a Republican ever broken out of single digits with that demographic?
From the linked article:
In the last ten presidential election cycles the highest black vote share for a Republican was 12% for Bob Dole in 1996.
As far as that 31% It'll be interesting to see. That is 31% of "likely voters" as Rasmussen sees them. If there is one takeaway from the various early voting turnouts it's that pollsters don't have a good grasp of "likely voter" this year.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/10/22/926678395/the-latinx-vote-comes-of-age
Apparently Latinx voters are the hot new demographic to court. Maybe someone who lives in Southern Cal or the Southwest has more insights on this.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/10/22/926678395/the-latinx-vote-comes-of-age
Apparently Latinx voters are the hot new demographic to court. Maybe someone who lives in Southern Cal or the Southwest has more insights on this.
Latinx is also a made up Woke term that most Latino/as have either never heard of or despise.
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Latinx is also a made up Woke term that most Latino/as have either never heard of or despise.
QFT. I've seen that term set off an otherwise reasonable Latina. It was entertaining to watch.
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What is Latinx anyway? I have seen Latino and Latina: does the first refer only to males and the second only to females? And therefore Latinx covers both sexes?
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What is Latinx anyway? I have seen Latino and Latina: does the first refer only to males and the second only to females? And therefore Latinx covers both sexes?
As I understand it the SJW's don't know the difference between gendered nouns and gender. Because they only speak English. So while you can have Latinos and Latinas, there is Latino culture. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I think it the adjective takes the gender of the noun it is describing in that case.
SJW's saw this and, of course, decided that meant it was all masculine and exclusionary and any male gendered form of the adjective needed to be neutered. .26 seconds after that navel gazing it was extended to no-binary identifying people of Latin decent. The virtue signaling started to spiral into a virtue signado (as stupid as a Sharknado, but more destructive) and it was decreed that henceforth all folks of Latin decent would be reffered to by the neutral to avoid The Hurt Feelz*. Protestations that Spanish was a gendered language and this was stupid fell on deaf ears.
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31% of blacks intend to vote for Trump? (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/historic-31-black-voters-intend-cast-vote-president-trump-latest-poll/)
If that holds up Trump will win in a landslide and the Dems are finished as a party.
I suspect you could shave about five points off that poll result and it would be more accurate. Even so, that is still a huge number and bodes ill for Biden.
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As I understand it the SJW's don't know the difference between gendered nouns and gender. Because they only speak English. So while you can have Latinos and Latinas, there is Latino culture. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I think it the adjective takes the gender of the noun it is describing in that case.
SJW's saw this and, of course, decided that meant it was all masculine and exclusionary and any male gendered form of the adjective needed to be neutered. .26 seconds after that navel gazing it was extended to no-binary identifying people of Latin decent. The virtue signaling started to spiral into a virtue signado (as stupid as a Sharknado, but more destructive) and it was decreed that henceforth all folks of Latin decent would be reffered to by the neutral to avoid The Hurt Feelz*. Protestations that Spanish was a gendered language and this was stupid fell on deaf ears.
Obviously the poor ignorant brown people need liberal SJWs to educate them about their oppression.
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What is Latinx anyway? I have seen Latino and Latina: does the first refer only to males and the second only to females? And therefore Latinx covers both sexes?
If you say "latinks" (latinx) while speaking spanish in any spanish speaking country, you'll get strange looks and incomprehension.
Plurals of mixed gender objects take the masculine by default. A mixed group of men and women when using a "they" pronoun is "ellos." A mixed group of latinos and latinas defaults to latinos.
"Latinx" is an english word. It has no relation to the spanish language.
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As I understand it the SJW's don't know the difference between gendered nouns and gender. Because they only speak English. So while you can have Latinos and Latinas, there is Latino culture. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I think it the adjective takes the gender of the noun it is describing in that case.
SJW's saw this and, of course, decided that meant it was all masculine and exclusionary and any male gendered form of the adjective needed to be neutered. .26 seconds after that navel gazing it was extended to no-binary identifying people of Latin decent. The virtue signaling started to spiral into a virtue signado (as stupid as a Sharknado, but more destructive) and it was decreed that henceforth all folks of Latin decent would be reffered to by the neutral to avoid The Hurt Feelz*. Protestations that Spanish was a gendered language and this was stupid fell on deaf ears.
:rofl:
In humor there is truth. In truth there is humor.
Best line:
".26 seconds after that navel gazing it was extended to no-binary identifying people of Latin decent."
Terry, 230RN
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Lil Wayne has endorsed Trump. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/huge-democrat-panic-rapper-lil-wayne-meets-trump-wearing-maga-hat-huge-presence-black-culture-34-million-followers/)
Now if Trump can just get Biig Wayne and Med'm-Sized Wayne on board that should put him over the top.
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I hope no one is looking for results from PA too quickly.
At least two counties in the state will not begin counting mail-in ballots until the day after the election.
Election officials in Cumberland and Butler Counties, both of which are heavily Republican, say their staffs are simply too small to tally mail ballots while at the same time running Election Day operations.
My local clerk is starting the first shift processing mail in ballots when polls open on election day. I will be working in the second shift, 2-11pm, and the third shift goes until they are done.
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Lil Wayne has endorsed Trump. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/huge-democrat-panic-rapper-lil-wayne-meets-trump-wearing-maga-hat-huge-presence-black-culture-34-million-followers/)
Now if Trump can just get Biig Wayne and Med'm-Sized Wayne on board that should put him over the top.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1g1o85.gif)
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The dam is starting to break.
ABC news reporting on Hunter and Joe.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1322376502403604480
Hopefully not too little too late.
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Has a Republican ever broken out of single digits with that demographic?
Yes.
(https://www.abhmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Scouraged-Back-Private-Gordon-1863-M.Brady_-312x500.jpg)
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Victor David Hanson weighs in on the election.
https://thecritic.co.uk/why-victor-davis-hanson-thinks-trump-will-win/?fbclid=IwAR3ltPRtE-PNYDfu94_Ctv7khCTj5uHuX0dwSbFePYpHlJIyEAKLeI4_v9k
The most important thing is that most politicians in the Western world lie. And so when Donald Trump said, “I’m going to build a wall with Mexico, and I’m going to take on China, I’m going to bring jobs back to the deindustrialised Midwest, I’m going to avoid optional military engagements in the Middle East, I’m going to put my foot on the accelerator of gas and oil production, I’m going to get the most conservative judges you can imagine” everybody thought, you know, this is Manhattan real estate talk.
But then when he got in, not only did he start doing that, but the forces arrayed against him. And, I should note, they were bipartisan. I mean, we had, almost immediately, talk of articles of impeachment, and then there was a move to declare him crazy under the 25th amendment, than the Emoluments Clause, then the Logan Act, and then 22 months of the Mueller Russia hoax, and then the impeachment. So it showed you that there was a lot of opposition to him, because he kept his promises.
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I hope V. D. Hanson is right. He's one of the smarter talking-heads on the boob-toob.
Atleast I can feel good about his prediction and rest better for three days until reality gobsmacks everyone in the face. :police:
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The dam is starting to break.
ABC news reporting on Hunter and Joe.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1322376502403604480
Hopefully not too little too late.
Too little, too early. It's from last year.
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Too little, too early. It's from last year.
Fake News!
:laugh:
They got me I guess.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYzKPrs7lk
96 miles is a long parade, especially out in the desert.
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Butler PA Trump rally yesterday, 57K people:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElseDuwWkAAHoMl?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Butler PA Trump rally yesterday, 57K people:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElseDuwWkAAHoMl?format=jpg&name=medium)
I wonder how many of those people replied to the polls that are all saying Biden is way ahead?
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Still surprisingly few Biden signs here in the liberal shithole of Northern Virginia.
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Trump is holding a rally at the airport just over the hill from our place this afternoon, a half mile away as the crow flies. Helicopters and jets flying in last night. Roads locked down in the area early this morning. I think it's going to be crazy this afternoon.
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Still surprisingly few Biden signs here in the liberal shithole of Northern Virginia.
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OMG! I actually saw a real "BIDEN/HARRIS" sign in front of a house just down the street from me!!!!!! :O I can't believe it! :facepalm: :mad: Where do these *******s come from??
[tinfoil]
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According to my ADS-B set, SAM942 from Dubuque, IA landed at Hickory, NC Regional Airport a few minutes ago. No one in the press or crowd has caught on yet. Overflow crowd in attendance.
SAM942 may just be a support aircraft. VP Pence's 737-800 was also at Hickory earlier today for his rally up in Lenoir, NC.
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Marine V-22 Ospreys and Marine One just flew overhead on their way back to Charlotte and Air Force One.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/investing/stock-market-joe-biden-donald-trump-election/index.html
As of today, the stock market is predicting a Biden victory by a narrow margin.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/investing/stock-market-joe-biden-donald-trump-election/index.html
As of today, the stock market is predicting a Biden victory by a narrow margin.
The stock market can't predict the sunrise. Investors are afraid because of "push-polling."
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/investing/dow-stock-market-election/index.html
I guess we will see how accurate the market predictions are.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/investing/dow-stock-market-election/index.html
I guess we will see how accurate the market predictions are.
Got any links from an unbiased news source? =D
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/investing/dow-stock-market-election/index.html
I guess we will see how accurate the market predictions are.
From the article:
If the polls are roughly right
:rofl:
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If polls were elections we would had have
President HRC
President Kerry
President Gore
IIRC even Carter led Reagan in the polls until the last minute IIRC
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Bush had a polling lead over Kerry for a solid 2 months leading up to the election
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2004/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_kerry-939.html
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Bush had a polling lead over Kerry for a solid 2 months leading up to the election
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2004/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_kerry-939.html
We get it. You don't like Trump and would prefer to have Harris/Biden win the election over the bad orange man. :facepalm:
=D
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Here is a fair and balanced link regarding stocks in contrast to the CNN link. They suggest stocks would rise under either president, with different sectors doing better or worse.
Though for myself, I don't understand how Biden *expletive deleted*ing up capital gains taxes is good for investors. Partially my own biases since I already have to balance capital gains income and the income limit for part of my retirement dough. If capitol gains taxes go up and/or the income cutoff goes down, I'm going from steak to hamburgers.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/how-the-2020-election-could-affect-the-stock-market
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The poll needs a "nobody" selection. Regardless of the outcome, I think we all lose. (I voted last Thursday for Orangeman)
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Got any links from an unbiased news source? =D
Maybe you will like this article from Fox better:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/stock-market-biden-win-volatility
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This is probably the most divisive election since 1860 and I'm not going any further with that.
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You don't like Trump
That's one poll I can confirm is 100% accurate. ;)
And whether I want Trump to lose or not, that is what I expect to happen at this point. That was not always the case but polls have not tightened as much as I expected them to. I don't think it will be a blowout - I don't expect Trump to lose TX, GA, or FL like some are predicting but it wouldn't surprise me if he loses AZ. Throw in WI & MI and that costs him the election.
(https://www.270towin.com/maps/jVX1z.png)
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Maybe you will like this article from Fox better:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/stock-market-biden-win-volatility
I do. :laugh:
FTR, Fox Business is not Fox News, and I find the business side of Fox to be more analytical than the news side regarding, well, the news.
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Statespoll was actually pretty close in 16
https://statespoll.com/
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Temped to go back and see what you guys were saying in 2016 but that will probably turn into a far too much time consuming rabbit hole
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Trumpslide2020!
Not tired of winning addition :cool:
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Trumpslide2020!
Not tired of winning addition :cool:
“Not My President, Season 2”
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The discussion is over. We have the definitive answer:
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/pennsylvania-bakery-election-cookie-poll-clear-frontrunner-owner-says
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The discussion is over. We have the definitive answer:
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/pennsylvania-bakery-election-cookie-poll-clear-frontrunner-owner-says
Slick marketing.
Winning side: "Yeah! Show the losing side how much you are winning by buying lots of our product!"
Losing side: "Don't like losing? Come buy lots of our product!"
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https://twitter.com/DraftKings/status/1323294561079304192
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“Not My President, Season 2”
Crooked Media bro says we should reject President Trump as the legitimate leader (again) if he ‘wins’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/02/crooked-media-bro-says-we-should-reject-president-trump-as-the-legitimate-leader-again-if-he-wins/
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Newt Gingrich predicted a Trump victory with 324 electoral votes tonight.
We'll see . . . but wouldn't it be nice if he were right?
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Well we're only a day away from not knowing who won!
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Well we're only a day away from not knowing who won!
=)
I've modified the poll to allow folks to change their answer, if they see fit.
I didn't add zxcvbob's option, although I tend to agree.
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I'm listening to Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business right now, and she just said, "Join us tomorrow morning to see what the election numbers are". Seems like the media is preparing for an ongoing fight and no winner tonight. Which I think is likely if Trump doesn't win by a landslide of electoral votes that cancel out the expected "trouble states" like PA.
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Newt Gingrich predicted a Trump victory with 324 electoral votes tonight.
We'll see . . . but wouldn't it be nice if he were right?
He also thought Romney would win.
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He also thought Romney would win.
Plenty of people bought into the "Unskewed polls (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/election2012/unskewed-polls-founder-admits-he-was-wrong)" for that election.
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Plenty of people bought into the "Unskewed polls (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/election2012/unskewed-polls-founder-admits-he-was-wrong)" for that election.
Yeah, people thought Republicans would turn out to vote against Obama even though no one was real enthusiastic about Romney. It didn't happen.
There is no parallel in this election though.
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Interesting that the Dow is up almost 700 points so far this morning.
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Interesting that the Dow is up almost 700 points so far this morning.
Yeah, I would have expected it to not move much either way just because of uncertainty.
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I wonder if the national networks will call the vote before the West Coast reports out.
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They usually do.
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Nothing to see here
Oh look! A Democratic committeewoman in north Philly wearing a Biden mask not letting certified Republican poll watchers into a polling place… She ends with "that rule ain't worth being followed" when someone says they should be allowed inside. pic.twitter.com/7646fTi2in
— Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) November 3, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/03/shady-af-democratic-committeewoman-in-n-philly-wearing-a-biden-mask-blocks-certified-gop-poll-watchers-watch/
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Nothing to see here
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/03/shady-af-democratic-committeewoman-in-n-philly-wearing-a-biden-mask-blocks-certified-gop-poll-watchers-watch/
Why even spend more than 30 seconds arguing with someone like that? You ignore her and go inside anyway. Pretty sure she's not supposed to be wearing a Biden mask (or a Trump mask for that matter) that close to a polling place.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Capture.JPG)
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Why even spend more than 30 seconds arguing with someone like that? You ignore her and go inside anyway. Pretty sure she's not supposed to be wearing a Biden mask (or a Trump mask for that matter) that close to a polling place.
If I was a certified poll watcher, nobody without a badge and gun would stop me from doing my duly authorized job. ("Badge and gun" . . . even if he's in the wrong, I'm not going to try pushing a cop aside . . . but hopefully my cell phone video would cost him his job. Or at least a suspension without pay.)
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Video allegedly shows (another) certified poll watcher being denied entrance to a polling station in Philadelphia
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/03/video-allegedly-shows-another-certified-poll-watcher-being-denied-entrance-to-a-polling-station-in-philadelphia/
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These guys may want to have some tissues on hand. You know, just in case
https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1323749586456829952
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Joe Biden will address the nation as our new leader tonight if the media calls the election for him. So are we counting ballots a week out or not now?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/03/what-if-trump-did-this-campaign-advisers-tell-axios-that-joe-biden-will-address-the-nation-as-its-new-leader-if-media-declare-him-the-winner/
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This poll shows 27% of Blacks in Pennsylvania supporting Trump: https://t.co/uSxCgVO88k
— PollWatch (@PollWatch2020) September 3, 2020
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Joe Biden will address the nation as our new leader tonight if the media calls the election for him. So are we counting ballots a week out or not now?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/03/what-if-trump-did-this-campaign-advisers-tell-axios-that-joe-biden-will-address-the-nation-as-its-new-leader-if-media-declare-him-the-winner/
According to the NYT.
https://twitter.com/thealexvanness/status/1323760300533944320/photo/1
My BS cup runnit over
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Dan Bongino
@dbongino
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3h
Regardless of the outcome, I will not be leaving the country, burning buildings down, or screaming into the sky.
But I’d really appreciate it if all the Hollywood snobs who pledged to go, followed through. Thanks.
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As much as it pains me, I'm figuring Biden is going to barely win the popular vote and electoral college, it will be known tonight. I also think regardless of who wins, there is going to be some major property destruction and violence in urban/suburban areas of many of the larger population areas for the next several days.
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Charby, I hope your wrong
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As much as it pains me, I'm figuring Biden is going to barely win the popular vote and electoral college, it will be known tonight. I also think regardless of who wins, there is going to be some major property destruction and violence in urban/suburban areas of many of the larger population areas for the next several days.
I am afraid you're right on all counts.
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https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1323698656952766464
BREAKING: Elections workers are now claiming voter machines are down in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Worker says voters can fill out a ballot and they will scan it later when the machines are back up
Dunder Mifflin voting machines?
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If Biden barely wins the electoral college, it will certainly not be known tonight. PA has already said they are not giving their results today. With any other states doing the same, then Biden has to win by an indisputable margin tonight, greater than any swing states still counting votes, for it to be known tonight.
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If Biden barely wins the electoral college, it will certainly not be known tonight. PA has already said they are not giving their results today. With any other states doing the same, then Biden has to win by an indisputable margin tonight, greater than any swing states still counting votes, for it to be known tonight.
Then there's the AG, Josh Shapiro, that said Trump is going to lose
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Florida numbers are looking bad for Trump right now
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Florida numbers are looking bad for Trump right now
A Precinct in Orange County Florida had a greater than 100% voter turnout. Interesting it is.
bob
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Florida numbers are looking bad for Trump right now
Give it a bit. NYT is saying Trump is winning. Our SecState has said no official numbers come out till polls in the panhandle close, in another half hour.
I have no idea where the news pundits are getting their info.
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I have no idea where the news pundits are getting their info.
The same place their heads are stuffed.
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I'm seeing a bunch of data showing Trump doing far better in FL than he did in 2016
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For FL: Biden's leading but the blue counties and mail in voting were counted first, so everyone seems to think when in-person votes and the panhandle weigh in, Trump will win. Biden's lead has been dropping on every google refresh since about quarter after seven.
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Mitch wins
Kentucky for Trump
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Biden wins IL
I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya
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Trump actually leading in popular vote
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Looks like panhandle is still counting and it’s traditionally republican so he should be good there in Florida now
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What's up with Virginia?
Multiple places list Biden as winner, but he only has 500k to Trumps 800K
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/virginia/
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What's up with Virginia?
Multiple places list Biden as winner, but he only has 500k to Trumps 800K
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/virginia/
I guess the media is making an assumption based on past history. Would love to see that state flip.
I’m worried about my fellow Ohioans tonight. 5-1 Trump vs Biden signs yet Biden has the early lead.
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Many are calling FL for Trump now
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I guess the media is making an assumption based on past history. Would love to see that state flip.
I’m worried about my fellow Ohioans tonight. 5-1 Trump vs Biden signs yet Biden has the early lead.
Dems almost always have the early lead due to the cities sending their data first
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Ohio is not looking good with 49% counted. Trump is way down and he really needs Ohio.
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The PA AG is telling anyone who is having trouble voting to call the democratic party, who will help them vote.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/03/pennsylvania-attorney-general-directs-voters-with-questions-to-the-states-democratic-party-hotline/
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Dems blew 90 million trying to unseat Mitch
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NC has now shifted to Trump
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Trump down in both TX and OH
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NC has now shifted to Trump
Not sure where you're seeing that. Fox shows Trump down by six points with 70% reporting. Not looking good at all.
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Trump down in both TX and OH
Going to be really surprised if OH goes blue, the Trump support here has been over the top.
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Going to be really surprised if OH goes blue, the Trump support here has been over the top.
Glad I’m. It the only one concerned for Ohio
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Fox is saying Biden’s campaign as said they do not expect to get Florida
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Just heard on the radio NC has moved to too close to call.
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OH and TX tightening up
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Not sure where you're seeing that. Fox shows Trump down by six points with 70% reporting. Not looking good at all.
Can't find it now. Things keep changing
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Glad I’m. It the only one concerned for Ohio
I drive around 12 counties for a living. Smallish sample of the 88 total, but damn are there a lot of trump signs out, exponentially more than 4 years ago. I'd also say there are less Biden signs than Hillary ones in the populous counties. Which is worth exactly what you paid for it but that's my take from on the ground.
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VA not blue yet, Trump leading
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This map is pretty good if you haven't found a site you like to follow.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat
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CNN and FOX are both backtracking on VA
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This map is pretty good if you haven't found a site you like to follow.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat
I've been following this one
https://townhall.com/liveblog/2020/11/03/2020-election-live-blog-n195
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Ohio too close to call.
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Only 1.5% difference in OH now. TX almost tied
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0.4 in OH
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I can't believe it's so close in Texas. Californiacation strikes again.
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Whoa, I wouldn't count IL out yet
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0.4 in OH
0.1
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This map is pretty good if you haven't found a site you like to follow.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat
That's a good, clean and informative map.
Ohio is now showing +0.7 for Trump. Getting better.
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Remember, urban area, traditionally Democratic, usually report returns first.
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Michigan 56-41 Trump 25% in
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OH just went red
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I wonder why the different sites have such varying numbers on the Electoral College results at any given point in time. I am looking at the AP numbers, and other sites often have different numbers.
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Trump gaining hard in PA 51-47 34% in
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%^&$#! Ilham Omar has won re-election
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0.2 difference in TX
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0.2 difference in TX
The Guardian map is showing Trump up by 2.1% at 67% reporting.
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It's certainly interesting viewing the different projection maps. I've been mostly using the decision desk one (same as the one linked above at TownHall), but have also been checking the maps Fox and CNN use. Fox has Biden ahead in electoral votes. CNN has Biden with twice the electoral votes as Trump.
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Current Vegas Odds: 67.5% Trump
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Almost tied in PA now
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Trump moving away from Biden now in Ohio.......thank God
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Hope we can hold the Senate
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%^&$#! Ilham Omar has won re-election
After watching the Veritas videos, I can believe it.
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CNN and FOX are both backtracking on VA
What Fox are you watching? I just watched their "expert" defend his call on Virginia.
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Trump pulling away in PA
Dems making phone calls for the station wagons
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Unless something happens Trump lost NC by only a few votes
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Hope we can hold the Senate
Damn, no kidding. That's kind of a nail biter right now. Trump isn't winning much next term with a dem house and senate.
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Trump closing in on Biden in IL 35% in
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Unless something happens Trump lost NC by only a few votes
Decision Desk just flipped NC to Trump.
They are also showing Trump up in the popular vote by 2 million. Once they add CA into the mix I'm sure that will change drastically.
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Decision Desk just flipped NC to Trump.
Yep, looks like just enough votes popped in at the last minute, By a nose as they say in horse racing
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I hear crying
And it's getting louder
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Decision Desk just flipped NC to Trump.
They are also showing Trump up in the popular vote by 2 million. Once they add CA into the mix I'm sure that will change drastically.
Plus Oregon and Washington.
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Almost tied in IL now 38% in
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Never mind, a crap ton of dem votes drop in. Biden way ahead now. Darn it, was hopping to see IL go red
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While not enough to win California i was reading they had a lot of party swapping and new republican voters out there since the lockdown. Might keep it interesting.
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People already out in the streets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrxCo4OE25M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPOoNHBGK8
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Never mind, a crap ton of dem votes drop in. Biden way ahead now. Darn it, was hopping to see IL go red
The big blue blob on the lake and several college towns have doomed Illinois.
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Looks like AZ is going Biden. Trump is 8.7% behind with 73% reporting.
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Trump up 10 points in PA 57% in
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The big blue blob on the lake and several college towns have doomed Illinois.
I was hoping Chicago had already reported
Still 50% due in though
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Biden has closed it a bit in VA 45-52 52% in
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If someone even sneezes in NC it will flip
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WTF? This is fishy as *expletive deleted*ck
Brandon Jarvis
@Jaaavis
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8m
The VA Department of Elections said that the vote count is going well but they are stopping at 11 p.m. and reporting the results up to that point. Counting will resume on Wednesday and the results will be announced no earlier than Friday at noon.
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WTF? This is fishy as *expletive deleted*ck
There's only like 100 precincts left!?!
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Actually, less than.
They just don't want to admit it's gone red.
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Brandon Jarvis
@Jaaavis
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8m
The VA Department of Elections said that the vote count is going well but they are stopping at 11 p.m. and reporting the results up to that point. Counting will resume on Wednesday and the results will be announced no earlier than Friday at noon.
WTF? This is fishy as *expletive deleted*ck
They need time for the ink to dry on the Biden ballots that they find before Friday.
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CNN still shows FL in play :rofl:
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CNN still shows FL in play :rofl:
So does Fox. Fox reports 92% of ballots in, while Decision Desk reports >99% in (and has called it for Trump).
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Matt Molchany
@MattElgaupo
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4m
Replying to
@LizRNC
@CNN
just said they expect a rally in Florida. Jeez these folks are bad
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The New York Times map (as of 9.49 CST) shows Virginia as blue, even though Trump is 6 points ahead, with 56% of the vote counted.
https://www.nytimes.com/
I mean, maybe they know the votes from the blue precincts haven't come in yet, or something, but still. ???
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The New York Times map (as of 9.49 CST) shows Virginia as blue, even though Trump is 6 points ahead, with 56% of the vote counted.
https://www.nytimes.com/
I mean, maybe they know the votes from the blue precincts haven't come in yet, or something, but still. ???
Gap has closed to 3% with 508 out of 585 precincts.
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Looks like OH and NC are in the bag
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AOC won another term. How dumb can her constituents? NVM, it’s NY
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AP projects the entire Left Coast for Biden, and their current numbers are Biden 209 and Trump 112 as of 20:05 PST.
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Kanye West 41% in Idaho
0.02% in
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Florida just went Trump.
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AP projects the entire Left Coast for Biden, and their current numbers are Biden 209 and Trump 112 as of 20:05 PST.
This is my shocked face
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Florida just went Trump.
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Hmmmm
http://Bronson Stocking | Nov 03, 2020 11:04 PM est
Fox just called Florida for Trump, right after polls in the west coast close.
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Saleha Mohsin
@SalehaMohsin
Wisconsin says there's no way they are announcing a winner tonight
Michigan needs until Friday
Pennsylvania isn't coming out anytime soon, either
Per officials in those states
11:09 PM · Nov 3, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Republicans pick up Alabama senate seat.
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I think we all underestimated how much people in some states were going to be reluctant to give up white minority rule. https://t.co/M3hDkOSrfN
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 4, 2020
Well there you have it
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That tweet may have already been pulled down. I get page doesn't exist.
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Arizona flipped to Blue for Biden and Kelly upset McSally
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Gap has closed to 3% with 508 out of 585 precincts.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c6df99f73ece8d0e9cb2ea780e26bfce/tenor.gif?itemid=19011493)
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Arizona was a "must win" for Trump. At this point there does not appear to be a path forward for Trump to win the Electoral College. It's clear that PA and VA are lost causes.
I'm off to bed.
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He can lose Arizona and still win.
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*expletive deleted*it *expletive deleted*ck *expletive deleted*it *expletive deleted*ck *expletive deleted*it
Excuse my French
Jason Johnson
@DrJasonJohnson
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45m
PA says they won't be done counting until Friday. Fulton Co GA won't be done counting till Friday. @USPS
has lost almost 300,000 ballots that a federal judge demands they discover. No one can declare victory tonight. Or even tomorrow. Probably not until next week
https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/status/1323836178043424768?s=20
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How does Nevada historically go?
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*expletive deleted*it *expletive deleted*ck *expletive deleted*it *expletive deleted*ck *expletive deleted*it
Excuse my French
https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/status/1323836178043424768?s=20
That's been the plan all along.
No surprises there.
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How does Nevada historically go?
They have been blue for a while, Californians moving in. I blame AZ on the same thing.
bob
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Now it's less than 2% in VA
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Doug Ducey
@dougducey
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3m
It’s far too early to call the election in Arizona. Election Day votes are not fully reported, and we haven’t even started to count early ballots dropped off at the polls. In AZ, we protected Election Day. Let’s count the votes — all the votes — before making declarations.
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Tapping out. Night ya’all
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I like this map, you can actually click on the states and play around with which way they go.
It's the 2nd one down on the page
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/elections-2020/electoral-calculator
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Trump now up 6 in VA
Edit: Whoops, Biden
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Playing around with that create a electoral map I think Trump has this 90% in the bag even without PA & VA. He has to win both MI & WI though but he is leading by a good % in both.
See if this links work for the map I created. Go down to the create a map.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/elections-2020/electoral-calculator?share=sOLLOppsspOOspLOspLsspLspLsi
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Trump now up 6 in VA
You mean Biden?
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You mean Biden?
Whoops, yes
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I think I should have bought a case - or more - of Tums.......
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I think I should have bought a case - or more - of Tums Jim Beam .......
Fixed.
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15 point lead in PA. Up by almost 700,000. The "missing" ballots wouldn't even matter if that holds
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Playing around with that create a electoral map I think Trump has this 90% in the bag even without PA & VA. He has to win both MI & WI though but he is leading by a good % in both.
See if this links work for the map I created. Go down to the create a map.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/elections-2020/electoral-calculator?share=sOLLOppsspOOspLOspLsspLspLsi
Just realized that if you flip WI we have a tie. PA would put Trump handedly over the top though.
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I'm going with Trump wins,
281 Trump 257 Biden
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I'm going with Trump wins,
281 Trump 257 Biden
What does your map look like?
If you use the link I used there a box below for creating a link to yours
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Don't count AZ out yet
Katie Pavlich | Nov 04, 2020 12:54 AM est
Just spoke to Arizona Governor Doug Ducey's office. There are at least 900,000 votes outstanding that haven't been counted. Half are Maricopa. With every update, they say it's breaking significantly toward Trump 2-1.
They may be right or wrong, but that's the data.
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If true there could be enough votes in there to easily give Trump AZ
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I think I should have bought a case - or more - of Tums Jim Beam .......
Fixed.
I don't need a liver transplant before Thanksgiving
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Fixed.
I don't need a liver transplant before Thanksgiving
It'll be free under Harris
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15 point lead in PA. Up by almost 700,000. The "missing" ballots wouldn't even matter if that holds
Election fraud needs to be a capital offense.
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I'm going with Trump wins,
281 Trump 257 Biden
I hope you're right. As of 01:22 EST it's still a horse race.
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Arizona was a "must win" for Trump.
Not necessarily. If he gets PA + another former blue wall (MI or WI) then he still wins.
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I think I will go with 274 (Trump) to 264 without PA in the race. They can take till the next election to finish and it won't matter.
bob
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Beth Baumann | Nov 04, 2020 1:30 AM est
PA won't have an update until 9 am EST Wednesday.
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Bunch of uncounted votes in AZ.
Now they're saying there's a bunch in GA
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Reports coming in that the uncounted ballets in AZ are going heavily pro Trump
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LOL, Jesse Ventura is on the POTUS ballot in Alaska.
He's not winning.
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David Limbaugh
@DavidLimbaugh
And get off of Pennsylvania’s back. How do you expect them to give you final vote tallies before they know how much deficit they need to make up? What is wrong with you people?
1:31 AM · Nov 4, 2020·TweetDeck
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Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING: Arnon Mishkin -- the Fox election decision desk chief analyst who called Arizona prematurely for Biden and potentially suppressed Trump votes in Nevada -- is a registered Dem who voted for Hillary & shelled out $4,000+ for Obama & Dems, according to FEC & voting records
1:00 AM · Nov 4, 2020·Twitter Web App
Well now you know
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First thing in the Morning:
We still don't know.
AP has GA, NC, PA, MI and WI all leaning red, and if he wins those he's got it. He has a pretty decent lead in some of them still. We'll see what USPS "found" ballots look like.
AZ appears to still be where it was when you guys went to bed, called by the press for Biden, 100,000 votes difference, and 80% reporting. The map shows two blue and for red counties still reporting.
PA concerns me a little, not going to lie.
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WI now blue 0.5 difference. Could still go either way.
MI now at 1%
If they flip MI it's all on PA where I have no doubt there's convoys of station wagons heading to the polling stations.
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MI now at 1.5%
But if he loses WI he still needs PA. If he can hang on in MI and if someone so much as sneezes in WI he doesn't need PA.
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MI now at 1.5%
But if he loses WI he still needs PA. If he can hang on in MI and if someone so much as sneezes in WI he doesn't need PA
Per the Guardian map all the WI big blue counties are in and locked. The only real outstanding portion of WI is Brown County at 50% reporting and 56% for Trump. Not sure what's going on there, if it's mail in votes or what holding up the count.
Guardian is showing like a 7,200 vote difference statewide. The vote station wagons in Milwaukee county may have blown their load a little early.
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0.6 differnce in NV. Flipping would mean he can win without PA if he holds on MI That could shake thing up a bit and it could be heading that way
Buuuuut
Leah Barkoukis | Nov 04, 2020 6:22 AM est
Nevada will not resume counting votes until THURSDAY at 9 a.m.
What the Holy ????????
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Now 0.05 in MI. Diff is less than 2,000 votes
I think it's going blue
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Biden's lead in WI also seems to be opening.
If MI and WI both go Biden, I think we can call it.
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And now it's time for philly voter fraud to steal the election for Biden.
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Per the Washington Post, exit polls show Trump getting 12% of the black vote, 18% of the black male vote. Trump won 32% of the Latino vote, and 36% of Latino men.
Both candidates got 6% cross-party support, but Biden got a much larger share of independents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
Also, look at how much more support Trump got from white Evangelicals than from the rest of the voters. As a white Evangelical, allow me to say, you're welcome, America. We did our part. :angel:
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The longer the count goes on the more Democrat votes that are found, funny that ...
It never seems to go the other way.
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I hit the rack at 10 my time last night. Waking up this morning, my first two thoughts were:
WTF Nevada? You need a day off?!?
As I've been griping a lot lately, while I don't mind and even like well-regulated mail-in/absentee ballots, you don't get to count them after election day. Can I show up at my polling place in-person today and vote? I understand counting and some other errors/problems RARELY creating situations where you have to do confirmed counts past election day, but waiting for mail-in ballots is a democratic scheme. And I emphasize democratic, because I'm pretty sure 99 of every 100 Rs support mail-ins and harvested (especially harvested) ballots not being counted after election day.
Additionally, as I look at maps, in almost every state, or county within a state that still has low percentages of votes counted this morning, color=blue. CA barely has 65% of votes counted as of the last map update I saw.
Also, Trump's campaign needs to send like 15,000 lawyers to PA. The DA there is a crook.
Second also, twenty years ago, AZ was on my list for retirement states. I'm glad now, that I crossed it off my list.
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Per the Washington Post, exit polls show Trump getting 12% of the black vote, 18% of the black male vote. Trump won 32% of the Latino vote, and 36% of Latino men.
Both candidates got 6% cross-party support, but Biden got a much larger share of independents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
Also, look at how much more support Trump got from white Evangelicals than from the rest of the voters. As a white Evangelical, allow me to say, you're welcome, America. We did our part. :angel:
The stupid party will consider 12% Black and 32% Latino a huge win even while we lose the country.
If Trump doesn't pull a rabbit out of his hat 2016 will be the last time a Republican was ever elected President.
Open borders here we come ...
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Ugh. All four squad members were re-elected. If I were looking for reasons to be in favor of civil war, that's one. That or IQ requirements for voters.
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Ugh. All four squad members were re-elected. If I were looking for reasons to be in favor of civil war, that's one. That or IQ requirements for voters.
And candidates
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I had Trump losing Wisconsin but winning Michigan, Georgia, NC, and PA. If that still pans out he wins.
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If Trump wins, I think we can expect "end the electoral college" to be the rallying cry of rioters and socialists for the next four years. He's 2.5 million popular votes behind Biden, similar to 2016 vs Clinton. I once again rag on my former state and blame CA for a majority of those popular votes. The popular vote is going to fuel a lot of antifa destruction over the next few months.
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Whomever wins will not have a huge mandate behind him. Not with these squeaker margins.
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Per the Washington Post, exit polls show Trump getting 12% of the black vote, 18% of the black male vote. Trump won 32% of the Latino vote, and 36% of Latino men.
What happened to the polls showing black support for Trump as high as 30%? Oh, yeah, it was all wishful thinking.
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Whomever wins will not have a huge mandate behind him. Not with these squeaker margins.
Biden wouldn't have a mandate even with a landslide. Almost all his votes are anti-Trump, Biden and his platform are an afterthought.
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Whomever wins will not have a huge mandate behind him. Not with these squeaker margins.
You can bet dollars to donuts that even if the dems won by just one vote you will be hearing the word mandate 24/7 from both the dems and the media
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What we are seeing is a majority of Americans voting for socialism. Many of those voting for socialism would deny it, telling you that socialism is bad. Then, in the next breath they would tell you what services and products they demand of government. That what they demand is actually socialism is lost on them. As I said earlier in this thread, never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.
At least America had a good run. About average for a nominally free constitutional republic.
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What we are seeing is a majority of Americans voting for socialism. Many of those voting for socialism would deny it, telling you that socialism is bad. Then, in the next breath they would tell you what services and products they demand of government. That what they demand is actually socialism is lost on them. As I said earlier in this thread, never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.
At least America had a good run. About average for a nominally free constitutional republic.
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Leah Barkoukis | Nov 04, 2020 8:47 AM est
"So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those "votes" magically went to Biden? That doesn't look suspicious at all," the Federalist's Sean Davis observed.
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They're claiming there's enough guaranteed for Biden absentee ballots PA left to be counted to push Biden over the top
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1323958418177142792
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There's going to be a bunch of recounts and 1000's of rich lawyers when this is decided sometime next year.
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Leah Barkoukis | Nov 04, 2020 8:47 AM est
"So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those "votes" magically went to Biden? That doesn't look suspicious at all," the Federalist's Sean Davis observed.
Happened in 2016 in a few places as well. Magically found boxes of votes numbering in the tens of thousands, where 100% of the ballots in the box were for Clinton. Not a probability and statistical WTF at all. If someone found a box of ballots that were 100% for Trump, I wouldn't believe that either. Well, I could believe a box of 100%, but I would question how those ballots got in the box.
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Happened in 2016 in a few places as well. Magically found boxes of votes numbering in the tens of thousands, where 100% of the ballots in the box were for Clinton. Not a probability and statistical WTF at all. If someone found a box of ballots that were 100% for Trump, I wouldn't believe that either. Well, I could believe a box of 100%, but I would question how those ballots got in the box.
Which are only found when needed
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Speaking of which
MI just went blue
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Kanye West officially concedes:
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a34568322/kanye-west-votes-result-us-election/
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Speaking of which
MI just went blue
That does not bode well. If that holds, I'm going to switch my concerns to the senate, and cross my fingers that the R majority there holds. Which is little comfort, because with what will be a slim majority, there are too many quislings on the R side of the senate that will vote with the Ds on things like say, gun control.
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I'm pretty sure we'll have a Biden presidency, complete with some seriously hard-core socialists in the Cabinet.
If we don't hold the Senate, this country is done.
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If I make my self miserable because of who is running the federal government, I will probably be miserable most of my life.
I cannot control who is president.
I can only work on myself.
I pray to have a positive attitude about what I can do, and try to brush off what I can't.
I think it will be healthy for me to avoid following the news. What is the point of making myself unhappy about something happening far way of which I have no control?
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I'm pretty sure we'll have a Biden presidency, complete with some seriously hard-core socialists in the Cabinet.
If we don't hold the Senate, this country is done.
Yep. And even if we “hold” the senate there are enough squishies in the R side to reach across the aisle and give the country the big reach around.
Civil war timeline got pushed up. All a Trump victory was anyway was delaying it a few years. There was never going to be another Republican President after him anyway.
Once the big rubber stamp Dem machine gets started the rest of us will feel how you poor bastards in VA felt watching them run over y’all the last few years at the state level.
God help us all we’re *expletive deleted*ed to the max.
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If we don't hold the Senate, this country is done.
The united states has had a socialist president before- FDR.
We have had many bad congresses.
The country is still here.
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The united states has had a socialist president before- FDR.
That's a popular myth. While FDR had some socialist tendencies, he really wasn't a full blown socialist.
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If I make my self miserable because of who is running the federal government, I will probably be miserable most of my life.
I cannot control who is president.
I can only work on myself.
I pray to have a positive attitude about what I can do, and try to brush off what I can't.
I think it will be healthy for me to avoid following the news. What is the point of making myself unhappy about something happening far way of which I have no control?
QTF
Heh, heh, oops . . . . .
QFT
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I think we are still a ways out from determining the winner of the election and I am holding my doom and gloom predictions in check pending the outcome.
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If I make my self miserable because of who is running the federal government, I will probably be miserable most of my life.
I cannot control who is president.
I can only work on myself.
I pray to have a positive attitude about what I can do, and try to brush off what I can't.
I think it will be healthy for me to avoid following the news. What is the point of making myself unhappy about something happening far way of which I have no control?
100% agree. Choosing to hang your emotional well-being on events outside of your control is not wise. Note, there are those who will criticize you for being a fatalist, and suggest that such attitudes are part of the problem.
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The Dow is up 500 points so far this morning.
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If I make my self miserable because of who is running the federal government, I will probably be miserable most of my life.
I cannot control who is president.
I can only work on myself.
I pray to have a positive attitude about what I can do, and try to brush off what I can't.
I think it will be healthy for me to avoid following the news. What is the point of making myself unhappy about something happening far way of which I have no control?
Some wise words. While talking to my 93 year old dad last Sunday, he said similar, recounting all the Presidents he survived, the worst of which were still better than living in WW2 and post WW2 Germany, which he emigrated from in 1957.
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The Dow is up 500 points so far this morning.
That's probably because SO MUCH money is spent on politicking during election cycles that is non-productive. Now those resources can go back into economically viable channels rather than the vampiric drain of campaigning.
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I do not want to imitate people who drove themselves crazy with fear and hate over the fact that Trump was President.
I am depressed about the result.
I do hope to work on my attitude. It is not one I want to keep.
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I do not want to imitate people who drove themselves crazy with fear and hate over the fact that Trump was President.
I am depressed about the result.
I do hope to work on my attitude. It is not one I want to keep.
Though I'll accept the results, I still want to go around calling Biden "46", telling people we should immediately impeach him, and also invoke the 25th amendment like every two weeks until he's out. Then I'll only refer to Harris as "46.5". Just to keep all those twitter celebrities posting head-explody stuff for my entertainment. :laugh:
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Somewhat scary prediction
Trump loses PA after the dems "find" enough ballots to flip it
Trump then contests this in the courts
It get tossed to the SC
Antifa and the dems flip out, open insurrection, cities start burning
Pray to whatever god you pray to that I'm wrong and it never gets to this
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I do not want to imitate people who drove themselves crazy with fear and hate over the fact that Trump was President.
I am depressed about the result.
I do hope to work on my attitude. It is not one I want to keep.
How far are you from Oregon? They have some things that could alter your attitude.
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Somewhat scary prediction
Trump loses PA after the dems "find" enough ballots to flip it
Trump then contests this in the courts
It get tossed to the SC
Antifa and the dems flip out, cities start burning with open insurrection
Pray to whatever god you pray to that I'm wrong
I don't care anymore. Too many idiots out there voting themselves bread and circuses. Time to let the whole thing burn the *expletive deleted*ck down.
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Biden said it was going to be a dark winter
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All the fires will keep it warm and bright.
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The AP numbers I'm looking at, even though they are labeled "live", haven't changed for several hours now.
Hmmmmmmm
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Only a 33k vote spread in MI right now
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21k in WI
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Trump is laying the groundwork on taking it to the courts if need be.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/11/04/trump-campaign-manager-president-trump-wins-if-n2579441
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The AP numbers I'm looking at, even though they are labeled "live", haven't changed for several hours now.
Hmmmmmmm
PA has been locked at 64% reporting since before 11:00 PM last night. I am sure they're busy printing and marking new ballots. That is very time consuming.
Frankly, I am surprised they didn't have several hundred thousand Biden ballots pre-marked and ready for counting.
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Mark Joseph Stern
@mjs_DC
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Democratic legislators in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin begged Republicans to let election officials start processing and counting mail ballots well before Election Day. Republicans refused, which is why we will not know the winner of the presidential election tonight.
Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, I would like to know the reasoning. There could be a valid reason on the fraud front depending on the security of the count, but otherwise there should be no reason not to, for instance, count all mail-in ballots received through 02NOV, on 02NOV, then count the remaining stragglers on 03NOV.
I could see a concern if dems wanted to county daily for several weeks before election day, since you increase the probability of fraud or screw ups.
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I wonder how long it will take the Democrats to implement an authoritarian socialist government similar to the dystopian one modeled in Matt Braken's EF&D books.
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I don't think we will see any reloading supplies in stock for the forseeable future :laugh:
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I wonder how long it will take the Democrats to implement an authoritarian socialist government similar to the dystopian one modeled in Matt Braken's EF&D books.
The senate is Republican. Most of the Supreme Court is republican appointed. The democrats have the house and apparently the Presidency. Our government is deeply divided by gridlock. I don't think your fears are likely right now.
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Our government is deeply divided by gridlock. .
As the FFs wanted it to be to a large extent
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Hopefully Trump won't do like most Rs has in the past and rolled over and played dead. Too much obvious ballot BS going on in several states.
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Hopefully Trump won't do like most Rs and roll over and play dead. Too much obvious ballot BS going in several states.
He's indicating he won't, which will make the riots that much sportier.
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I need to reword that as
But it appears Trump won't do like most Rs have in the past and rolled over and played dead. Too much obvious ballot BS going on in several states and he's proven he'll go tooth and nail with the Ds
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Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, I would like to know the reasoning. There could be a valid reason on the fraud front depending on the security of the count, but otherwise there should be no reason not to, for instance, count all mail-in ballots received through 02NOV, on 02NOV, then count the remaining stragglers on 03NOV.
Requests to change it just didn't go anywhere. Anyone paying attention knew these states would be really slow, no one should be surprised by it.
www.wisn.com/amp/article/state-republicans-differ-with-us-sen-johnson-over-when-to-count-absentee-ballots/34213035
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He's indicating he won't, which will make the riots that much sportier.
One part of me says Let's roll
Another part says I'm too old for this *expletive deleted*it
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Wasn't it ruled in PA that it's no longer a requirement that signatures on mailed in ballots have to match what's on file?
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Requests to change it just didn't go anywhere. Anyone paying attention knew these states would be really slow, no one should be surprised by it.
www.wisn.com/amp/article/state-republicans-differ-with-us-sen-johnson-over-when-to-count-absentee-ballots/34213035
I don't think most are surprised but rather PO about it
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Yes have until Friday to receive them postmark and signature need not be verified.
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Yes have until Friday to receive them postmark and signature need not be verified.
Is it worded "need not"? Reason I ask is that "need not" does not rule out "can be" as in a recount and/or lawsuit
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https://babylonbee.com/news/miracle-ballot-counter-turns-5-votes-for-biden-into-5000
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The senate is Republican. Most of the Supreme Court is republican appointed. The democrats have the house and apparently the Presidency. Our government is deeply divided by gridlock. I don't think your fears are likely right now.
We lost one if not two seats in the senate if I am not mistaken. You have a lot more faith in the Republicans in the Senate than I do.
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Hopefully the first pebble of an avalanche. Stay tuned.
It Appears There Was a Major Vote Counting Error in Arizona
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/04/it-appears-there-was-a-major-vote-counting-error-in-arizona-n2579447
How long before someone puts up that Kosh meme?
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Trump's lead is now down to 9 points in PA. Down from 15 I think?
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Hopefully the first pebble of an avalanche. Stay tuned.
It Appears There Was a Major Vote Counting Error in Arizona
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/04/it-appears-there-was-a-major-vote-counting-error-in-arizona-n2579447
How long before someone puts up that Kosh meme?
A lot of the affluent areas (Paradise Valley and Scottsdale) had poll workers telling people to vote with sharpies, and the tally machines don't count sharpies correctly. It's assumed these are right-biased voters that have had their votes (temporarily?) nullified.
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The Hill
@thehill
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Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar: "There are still millions of ballots to be counted."
Why is it Madam Secretary FL, TX, NY, CA, OH counted millions of votes in a matter of a handful of hours and you're taking days?
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A lot of the affluent areas (Paradise Valley and Scottsdale) had poll workers telling people to vote with sharpies, and the tally machines don't count sharpies correctly. It's assumed these are right-biased voters that have had their votes (temporarily?) nullified.
Sharpiegate
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We lost one if not two seats in the senate if I am not mistaken. You have a lot more faith in the Republicans in the Senate than I do.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/11/04/the-libs-wasted-80-million-trying-to-defeat-cocaine-mitch-n2579334
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Trump campaign statement on Wisconsin
“Despite ridiculous public polling used as a voter suppression tactic, Wisconsin has been a razor thin race as we always knew that it would be. There have been reports of irregularities in several Wisconsin counties which raise serious doubts about the validity of the results. The President is well within the threshold to request a recount and we will immediately do so.”
- Bill Stepien, Trump 2020 campaign manager
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/11/04/the-libs-wasted-80-million-trying-to-defeat-cocaine-mitch-n2579334
I can only imagine what they spent on the pile of mail I got, sometimes two or three mailings a day for the past month. Plus they lit my phone up with texts.
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A lot of the affluent areas (Paradise Valley and Scottsdale) had poll workers telling people to vote with sharpies, and the tally machines don't count sharpies correctly. It's assumed these are right-biased voters that have had their votes (temporarily?) nullified.
I wonder if they use the same type of machines my state uses. In past election, there was a special pen at each station where voters filled out their ballot. This election, the stations all still had the sign that says "USE SPECIAL PEN" -- but there were no special pens, because of COVID-19. I have no idea if my vote could be read or not. However, this state is solidly blue and has been for decades, so my vote didn't matter, anyway.
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This election is so 2020
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We really need to know who the Murder Hornets voted for.
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We really need to know who the Murder Hornets voted for.
Epstein did not sting himself
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Philip Melanchthon Wegmann
@PhilipWegmann
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Trump Campaign: "We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted."
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It looks like Trump is up in Michigan:
https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html
???
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It looks like Trump is up in Michigan:
https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html
Why are the official numbers so different from all the news/compilation site numbers? That site is showing 1.5 million fewer votes than other sites reporting on Michigan votes.
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Per the Washington Post, exit polls show Trump getting 12% of the black vote...
Come to think about it, Biden's "If You Don’t Vote for Me, ‘You Ain’t Black’" gambit worked out for him after all.
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Why are the official numbers so different from all the news/compilation site numbers? That site is showing 1.5 million fewer votes than other sites reporting on Michigan votes.
Yep, looks like old numbers.
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So going by the current decision desk hq map, Biden=227, Trump=214. If we give Trump the projected red win states of PA, NC, and GA, that brings him to 265.
Without either WI, MI, or NV flipping from projected blue to red (they are very close, so it's possible), or finding out about really weird stuff in AZ and it going red, Trump would be done.
From the same map, all Biden needs are the currently projected in his favor states of WI, MI, NV, and AZ to just go to him, and he has 271. No red state flipping needed.
Without at least one currently projected blue state flipping, Trump can't win. I do hope a state flips. The way it looks, this senate will pass any gun control measure brought to them by a vote or two, and of course Biden will sign. The liberal R senators might vote against things like tax increases or more free stuff, but if you think someone like Susan Collins will vote against mag bans or AR bans in some form with Biden or Harris as president, I have a bridge for sale.
Again, going by decision desk. YMMV with other maps.
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CNN analyst wants Trump prosecuted for ‘crimes against democracy’ for daring to question the count
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Reports: County clerk in Michigan reviewing ‘apparently skewed result’ that may have given Dems thousands of votes intended for Trump & John James
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/04/reports-county-clerk-in-michigan-reviewing-apparently-skewed-result-that-may-have-given-dems-thousands-of-votes-intended-for-trump-john-james/
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Bronson Stocking | Nov 04, 2020 2:20 PM est
ABC has removed Arizona from a Biden win to "No Results."
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Well, I have no idea what is happening.
I guess that is better than I felt this morning... maybe? ???
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So going by the current decision desk hq map, Biden=227, Trump=214. If we give Trump the projected red win states of PA, NC, and GA, that brings him to 265.
Without either WI, MI, or NV flipping from projected blue to red (they are very close, so it's possible), or finding out about really weird stuff in AZ and it going red, Trump would be done.
From the same map, all Biden needs are the currently projected in his favor states of WI, MI, NV, and AZ to just go to him, and he has 271. No red state flipping needed.
Sounds familiar (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62919.msg1278148#msg1278148)...
:angel:
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The NYT is now reporting that Wisconsin went to Biden, and the current numbers are Biden 237 and Trump 214.
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https://apps.npr.org/elections20-interactive/#/president
Associated Press just called Arizona for Biden. Biden 248 and Trump 214.
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https://apps.npr.org/elections20-interactive/#/president
Associated Press just called Arizona for Biden. Biden 248 and Trump 214.
AP had called Arizona pretty early this morning. As of 1526 EST the AP still hasn't called NV, MI, PA, NC, GA, or AK, nor the race itself. If we are going by their "calls" both outcomes are still possible.
Queue the recounts and lawyers that we all knew were coming anyway.
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Queue the recounts and lawyers that we all knew were coming anyway.
In another thread, AZ called out the money spent on marketing in the campaign. I see a lot of lawyer billable hours in the future! And the expensive Washington DC type lawyers.
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Michigan shows only 38,000 votes difference with 99% reporting.
A cursory glance shows three counties as deciding factor - Oakland, Washtenaw, and Wayne. Those three counties alone represent roughly 42% of the statewide Biden vote.
Oakland ... 438,147 (B) / 328,313 (T)
Washtenaw ... 157,130 (B) / 56,241 (T)
Wayne ... 519,809 (B) / 244,853 (T)
Looks like Detroit still carries the state out of sheer population density though I have a feeling there will be more than a few instances of voting shenanigans come to light in the next few days. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why the populace continues to vote D when they have multiple generations of significant, ongoing social and societal failures directly and demonstrably tied to liberal policy and governance.
Brad
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In another thread, AZ called out the money spent on marketing in the campaign. I see a lot of lawyer billable hours in the future! And the expensive Washington DC type lawyers.
No kidding.
What's the hourly on those types? $1,500? $3k? More?
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I can't, for the life of me, fathom why the populace continues to vote D when they have multiple generations of significant, ongoing social and societal failures directly and demonstrably tied to liberal policy and governance.
Brad
Because that is their norm. Multiple generations of failure to us is multiple generations of success to them. You are asking them to throw off the shackles of free government programs that provide shelter, food and cell phones at little to no cost and to forge into a brave new world where them get a meaningful job and provide for themselves and their families. It's scary to them, something completely foreign for many of them. They seem to have accepted that as their lot in life and are content with the way things are. It will probably never happen.
OTOH hand, what is the excuse for those dipshits in Clark County and Washoe County Nevada?
bob
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I had been unwilling to guess on this election until now. I just cast my vote in the OP poll, posted lo, those 18 pages ago for "Someone....Else?"
Lawyers. Lawyers will win in 2020.
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I had been unwilling to guess on this election until now. I just cast my vote in the OP poll, posted lo, those 18 pages ago for "Someone....Else?"
Lawyers. Lawyers will win in 2020.
Here is an interesting take on PA
https://macris.substack.com/p/why-trump-will-triumph-in-pa-litigation
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12NOV for NC to be done counting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/report-it-could-be-nov-12-before-north-carolina-reports-tally-of-outstanding-absentee-ballots/
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Fox just called Michigan for Biden.
If Nevada goes as predicted, that's it. But that's where it gets interesting. The whole state is showing about 75% reporting, including Clark and Washoe counties, and Biden with a mere 8000 vote lead on more than a million votes cast. It would only take a blink in the Reno or Vegas voting numbers to flip that.
Brad
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=( Bad news. I went to bed thinking Trump had it locked up. Hopefully we can keep the Senate, and keep Joe from doing anything. Resist!
But yes! If Trump takes Nevada, by my spreadsheet he will win with 274 votes.
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Collins has apparently kept her seat in Maine.
That's... mediocre news at best, but it's a step at keeping the Senate Republican. Sort of.
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Collins has apparently kept her seat in Maine.
That's... mediocre news at best, but it's a step at keeping the Senate Republican. Sort of.
If nothing else keeping Mitch majority leader will piss em' off.
You want depressing? "Senate majority leader Schumer"
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I can't wait until we have to report to one of Robert Reich's Truth and Reconciliation Commissions. I'm looking forward to my re-education.
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23,000+ votes "found" in Philly, all Biden.
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I have to admit, I am fast losing hope. I was really thinking there might be a WI or MI flip, but all the "found" ballots are coming up dem. As *expletive deleted*ing usual.
A half year of Biden and 3.5 years of Harris with O'Rourke as her gun czar is gonna suck.
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PA's going to the courts as well. SCOTUS is going to have to grant or deny cert on the appeal before that one's over.
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I have to admit, I am fast losing hope. I was really thinking there might be a WI or MI flip, but all the "found" ballots are coming up dem. As *expletive deleted*ing usual.
A half year of Biden and 3.5 years of Harris with O'Rourke as her gun czar is gonna suck.
Same.
How the hell do "we the people" allow this? Obvious fraud happening, what is there to be done? Does Trump file suit, and then the toss all the ballots in a pile and scrutinize them for legitimacy? I quite honestly don't get how this just "happens". Tee hee, found a shitload of ballots and they're all for the guy we want to win? Shoe on the other foot and the media would be calling for blood. The worst part for me is that the party benefiting from this is the same one that's virulently against ANY voter ID laws.
I have no problem with Trump losing fair and square. This *expletive deleted*it bothers me.
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Some of the things I'm seeing reported out of swing states is banana republic level.
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Some of the things I'm seeing reported out of swing states is banana republic level.
Well, the United States is a republic, after all. All we needed was the bananas and a suitable dictator.
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Same.
How the hell do "we the people" allow this? Obvious fraud happening, what is there to be done? Does Trump file suit, and then the toss all the ballots in a pile and scrutinize them for legitimacy? I quite honestly don't get how this just "happens". Tee hee, found a shitload of ballots and they're all for the guy we want to win? Shoe on the other foot and the media would be calling for blood. The worst part for me is that the party benefiting from this is the same one that's virulently against ANY voter ID laws.
I have no problem with Trump losing fair and square. This *expletive deleted*it bothers me.
Even if they recount, it won't do anything if the ballots are actually there. I have no problem believing the ballots are there.
If a court challenge results in ballots cast under suspicious conditions be thrown out, then it could definitely tilt things.
I have heard of local elections being nullified and repeated. I don't know if re- voting is any possibility.
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We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won't allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact, there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!
- Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I'm reading reports of counties throughout the "contested" states that had over 100% turnout of registered voters.
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I'm reading reports of counties throughout the "contested" states that had over 100% turnout of registered voters.
An (as yet unconfirmed) report claims that Arizona election officials have received 100,000 more ballots than there are registered voters.
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Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.
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An (as yet unconfirmed) report claims that Arizona election officials have received 100,000 more ballots than there are registered voters.
That would seem to be pretty easy to confirm if it were true.
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Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.
From an outsider's point of view, it appears to me that previous Republicans had a need to be liked and accepted by the Democrats, so that they would hopefully get some scraps and leftovers. Trump truly doesn't give a *expletive deleted*it what the other party thinks of him, and will fight them.
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Lawsuits now in PA, GA, MI.
Trump isn't one to just roll over and play dead on this like pretty every other R has in the past.
Screw it, I'd like to see a Republican actually go the knife fight route instead of the norm of polite capitulation.
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They are "curing" ballots in Georgia. Does this mean "team joe" will ensure problem republican ballots make it through as well?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/team-joe-needs-people-to-go-door-to-door-in-georgia-to-help-voters-fix-their-mail-in-ballots-so-they-count/
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They are "curing" ballots in Georgia. Does this mean "team joe" will ensure problem republican ballots make it through as well?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/team-joe-needs-people-to-go-door-to-door-in-georgia-to-help-voters-fix-their-mail-in-ballots-so-they-count/
Remember the Project Veritas video of the Dem campaign worker going to voter’s houses to intimidate them into changing their vote to Biden?
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/
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To see how far "the swamp" has dug itself in, look at the voting percentages for DC.
In my opinion DC should have never been given voting rights.
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Again, another great start to the Dow this morning.
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To see how far "the swamp" has dug itself in, look at the voting percentages for DC.
In my opinion DC should have never been given voting rights.
Agreed.
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Again, another great start to the Dow this morning.
Well, the Dow likes the fact the repukes maintained control of the senate. ;/
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Well, the Dow likes the fact the repukes maintained control of the senate. ;/
Maybe they're just elated that the "blue wave" did not materialize.
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The united states has had a socialist president before- FDR.
We have had many bad congresses.
The country is still here.
GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
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In a tight race such as this, I wonder if Jo Jorgensen is going to make a difference. Did she take enough votes from Trump or Biden to deny victory to one or the other?
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Looks like Jorgensen got 2% or less most places.
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Is Arizona still in play?
https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/11/05/wow-even-cnn-msnbc-admit-that-trump-appears-to-be-on-track-to-win-arizona-n1126445
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Remind me when happens if he wins AZ
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We really as a country need to quit putting too much power in the office of the president.
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We really as a country need to quit putting too much power in the office of the president.
Agreed. Curtailing the power of executive orders would be a good start.
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We really as a country need to quit putting too much power in the office of the president.
How about we start with not putting so much power in the hands of the people who deliver us news.
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https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
Clearly fraud.
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How about we start with not putting so much power in the hands of the people who deliver us news.
1st Amendment
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Never mind.
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1st Amendment
The media hacks can keep their rights, their power can be diminished by refusing to watch them.
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https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
Clearly fraud.
Good read. Thanks.
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Good read. Thanks.
Np, Larry is always worth your time.
I want to be that eloquent when I grow up.
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So I guess now it comes down to legal stuff in either WI or NV? If Trump gets all the states he's still projected to win, he's at 268. Either NV or WI are close enough in vote counts that a recount could turn the tables, and either one gets him over 270. AZ seems to be out of the picture at this point, unless I'm missing something. 48.5% Trump to 50.1% Biden seems like too many votes for Trump to make up there with 90%+ of the votes counted already.
Not sure if all the maps are the same at this point or not, but it's what I'm seeing.
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I don't think he can beat the margin of fraud.
I think Biden Harris will win by a razor thin margin and we're all *expletive deleted*ed.
I also don't think we will know the final outcome for weeks or longer while all the "found" votes get counted after election night.
I was nearly prophetic.
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Biden is now ahead in GA and PA. The networks will call it soon now I think.
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Decision Desk just called it for Biden.
Sites like them calling the race before any recounts seems like something that can fuel riots. It would have been prudent to wait a few days insted of trying to be "first in".
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324710866516905984
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Time to do what the Dems do...drive to other states and “peacefully protest” with some peaceful assaults, peaceful molotovs, peaceful blocking roads and dragging people out of their cars peacefully to peacefully beat them.
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Decision Desk just called it for Biden.
Sites like them calling the race before any recounts seems like something that can fuel riots. It would have been prudent to wait a few days insted of trying to be "first in".
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324710866516905984
Hell, the Dems are still printing ballots. It won't surprise me if there are more votes after a recount (all for Biden, of course) than there were the first time around.
"Oh, look! Here are some ballots we must have missed. I wonder who they're for."
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There's a new conspiracy going around that Trump is 4D chessing again, and he had ballots UV watermarked with blockchain identifiers to prevent fraud.
Color me skeptical, but it's been rampant enough over the last 18 hours to drive Bitcoin's value up a couple thousand dollars.
I don't see it being possible, since ballot publication/design/security is a State level duty, typically the State's Secretary of State. But if true it can be used to pinpoint voter fraud.
I can see a lot of overt benefits to blockchain validated voting.
1. Give any political party authority to run a transaction server farm, but never more than 5% of chain validators. This makes forced collusion via forking the chain or revoking transactions impossible.
2. Each poll place runs a transaction server.
3. Each county recorder runs a transaction server.
4. Each Secretary of State of each State runs a transaction server farm, never more than 1% of all transaction servers.
5. Each news agency that wants to, runs a transaction server.
6. US Secretary of State runs master transaction server farm, never more than 5% of chain validators. All parties wanting to run transaction servers have a clearly defined mechanism to join the blockchain, but can only do so at the votes=0 threshold. Once voting begins being tallied, no servers may join. Broad subscription of transaction servers and blockchain mirrors is encouraged.
This allows real-time data mining of real votes by news agencies, rather than exit polling and projections. And it gives a tangible audit trail to all votes. Even an individual voter can enter his ballot key to ensure the votes he thinks he put on the ballot were read and interpreted and logged correctly, or if they had been misinterpreted or maliciously reassigned.
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When the election gives you lemons, make lemonade:
https://store.flagandcross.com/products/fraud-white-ceramic-mug-11oz-and-15oz
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A few years out, when the analysis is done, I wonder if the historians will say that COVID, the economy, or another factor altogether was the primary driver of the election results.
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another factor altogether was the primary driver of the election results.
Clearly it was Joe Biden's energetic campaigning and personal charisma. ;)
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Make America Golden Again
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Betty might not be half bad compared to honest statesmen (we all know she'd curb stomp near all of our current career politicians, and then make us laugh with some funny quip.)
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One Michigan county clerk caught a glitch in tabulation software so they hand counted votes and found the glitch caused 6,000 votes to go to Biden + Democrats that were meant for Trump and Republicans. 47 MI counties used this software. All must check now! pic.twitter.com/21AXyJZDZi
— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) November 6, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/06/welp-mi-county-clerk-catches-software-glitch-that-gave-1000s-of-votes-meant-for-trump-to-biden-in-1-county-47-other-counties-used-same-software/
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https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/06/welp-mi-county-clerk-catches-software-glitch-that-gave-1000s-of-votes-meant-for-trump-to-biden-in-1-county-47-other-counties-used-same-software/
Ooops. Totally a mistake.
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Anyone heard of a single mistake, glitch, or whatever yet found that flipped votes in favor of Trump?
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1324286015570210817
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1324286015570210817
Seems like that should be cross-posted in the fraud compendium thread.
In some ways, I'm glad they do that since it makes it easier to identify problem areas. Sadly, it seems to make little difference since no one follows up.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/not-onion-michigan-attorney-general-pleads-public-stop-telling-staff-shove-sharpies-butts/
Not the Babylon Bee either.
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So as it gets closer to a Biden presidency, I've been looking at ways to make it through four years of that Presidency. Besides re-aligning my investment accounts, I'm looking at opening up an Internet store in the spirit of how the left adapted to a Trump Presidency.
So far I've come up with clothing, hats, mugs, etc. with variations of the slogans "ALL Lives Matter - Resist 46!".
I'd like to do a "Resist 46" commemorative 1911.
Also a lower with a selector labeled, "Lay Low", "Resist", and "Aloha shirt".
Other ideas? Maybe shirts with dog-faced pony soldiers?
=D
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Ben, Dog face Pony soldier is a must!
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MSM has declared Biden the winner and Biden has accepted completely ignoring the fact the MSM doesn't have this power.
Seeing headlines like this
"Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided US"
"BIDEN WINS"
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^^^Kind of hard to refute the Electoral College count, don't you think?
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^^^Kind of hard to refute the Electoral College count, don't you think?
But it's not up to the media to hand it to Biden is it? This is still a contested election.
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AP just called Nevada for President-Elect Biden.
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Resist 46.
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Jake Tapper, "journalist" at the unbiased CNN:
“It must be said. To paraphrase President Ford, for tens of millions of Americans, ‘our long national nightmare is over.’” —@jaketapper
just now on CNN
He doesn't seem to mention that for half the country, a new nightmare has begun.
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Jake Tapper, "journalist" at the unbiased CNN:
He doesn't seem to mention that for half the country, a new nightmare has begun.
It's okay, it's not their half
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I'm disappointed in Fox News as well, under the Murdoch boys. Good media doesn't influence elections. Here's the Epoch Times statement:
Our nation is moving into uncharted territory as multiple legal challenges have been filed in response to the 2020 elections, with more challenges expected to come.
Both candidates have claimed victory in certain states, but it appears increasingly likely that this election will be resolved in the courts.
For that reason, The Epoch Times will not declare a winner of the 2020 presidential election until all results are certified and any legal challenges are resolved.
We encourage you to read our ongoing coverage as our reporters cover all developments over the next weeks and months.
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Exactly how I feel. There are aspects of this election that smell like a Chinese fish market.
Maybe this is what this country needs, just how corrupt the election process has become in this country laid bare in court and hopefully drag much of the MSM and their complicity down with it.
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I guess the best news about this is that covid is now officially over.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/07/is-covid-over-chuck-schumer-joins-packed-brooklyn-celebration-media-super-spreader-scolds-begin-vacation/
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Exactly how I feel. There are aspects of this election that smell like a Chinese fish market.
Maybe this is what this country needs, just how corrupt the election process has become in this country laid bare in court and hopefully drag much of the MSM and their complicity down with it.
From everything I have read, the election process in several states raises questions and eyebrows. I will not call it fraud yet because I have no actual evidence but it sure looks sketchy as hell. However, IF it is fraud, and IF they get away with it - you all might as well throw in the towel. It won't be the last time. You'll go from "probably Banana Republic" to "definetly a Banana Republic". No Republican will ever get elected again for anything, ever.
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I guess the best news about this is that covid is now officially over.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/07/is-covid-over-chuck-schumer-joins-packed-brooklyn-celebration-media-super-spreader-scolds-begin-vacation/
Called it.
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Resist 46.
#notmypedophile
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My worry is this scenario:
Media has declared Biden the winner, while all of the legal challenges sit unresolved. Let's say it all gets collected into one major legal action that goes all the way to SCOTUS, and there's enough evidence for SCOTUS to say the election results are too tainted by fraud to be certified.
First, what's the possible remedy? A do-over? Absent some undisclosed mechanism of separating valid ballots from fraudulent I don't see any other remedy. That will be disruptive to say the least.
Second, if you think the rioting, etc are bad now, what do you think that would look like if SCOTUS overturns the election results due to fraud
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Other than the conservative social media bubble, there is little objective evidence of widespread election fraud that would withstand legal scrutiny. Conservatives will blame the MSM and say that the system is rigged. The wider American society does not seem to share this opinion. Thoughts that state or Federal courts will overturn the results are a fantasy.
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Y'all too gloomy. The shitshow is just starting. Even ignoring the possibility of Biden not winning, just imagine this mess. Cabinet selection, finding the mostest liberalist to replace Harris in Senate, the weakened D Congress over-reaching, the eventual Sus as hell replacement of Biden.
Not to mention the Georgia run-offs. Massive fraud, hate, discontent that eventually end with two R senators and ol Mitch pops out of his turtle shell to cause apoplectic fits for another term.
Then the midterms. This is going to be glorious, it's their high water mark.
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I'll just leave this here. I wonder if the elitist left will realize how true the last line really is? :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODKZGBrAtxY
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Other than the conservative social media bubble, there is little objective evidence of widespread election fraud that would withstand legal scrutiny.
If they have any so far, they certainly haven't been bringing it to court with them.
Since Election Day, the Trump campaign has brought a series of lawsuits around the country in an effort to find a path to reelection, but four judges in different states have now weighed in with striking consistency and similar language -- finding there is no sufficient evidence to back the claims.
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Don't believe your lying eyes and common sense.
Believe the media, the left and our own fifth column here at APS.
At least half the country voted for Trump and believe the game was rigged.
Maybe some of our members here like a different bubble, one that tends to the left.
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At least half the country voted for Trump and believe the game was rigged.
I don't think anyone believes that, regardless of their bubble.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/69-million-trump-supporters-take-to-streets-to-go-to-work-like-usual
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Other than the conservative social media bubble, there is little objective evidence of widespread election fraud that would withstand legal scrutiny. Conservatives will blame the MSM and say that the system is rigged. The wider American society does not seem to share this opinion. Thoughts that state or Federal courts will overturn the results are a fantasy.
One blatant fraud is courts extending the period of states to accept ballots that were mailed. The U. S. Constitution gives plenary authority to the states' legislatures to decide how the state conducts voting and ballot tabulation. That means the courts, the governors, mayors, girl scouts and troglodytes don't get to change it.
There are a number of other serious concerns about the election. I'd not be so free as to dismiss them, saying "there is little objective evidence," because a number of them sound very serious, and some "conservative social media bubbles" (such as Mark Levin, for example) have made excellent cases for the courts to hear some matters ..... but Trump's case(s) do have a serious uphill battle ahead, and should be heard.
So, we're in for 5 weeks of ^&€£¥£÷@'^_^^^■■{}◇[♧⊙°°•Â¤Â¿ and all sorts of stiersheisse.
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So, we're in for 5 weeks of ^&€£¥£÷@'^_^^^■■{}◇[♧⊙°°•Â¤Â¿ and all sorts of stiersheisse.
We'll see if they can break the record set by the Democrats in 2000. It was 37 days IIRC.
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At least half the country voted for Trump and believe the game was rigged.
I don't think anyone believes that, regardless of their bubble.
You don't think half the country voted for Trump, or you don't think anyone believes the game was rigged?
I'm quite certain the game was rigged. I guess that means I'm not anyone, right?
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In the midst of all this disappointment, I thought I'd share a little good news:
https://www.guns.com/news/2020/11/06/nfa-reform-minded-gun-store-owner-headed-to-congress
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You don't think half the country voted for Trump
No, I'm pretty confident of that.
Final totals aren't in yet, but it breaks down roughly like this:
1/3 voted for Biden
1/3 voted for Trump
1/3 didn't vote.
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No, I'm pretty confident of that.
Final totals aren't in yet, but it breaks down roughly like this:
1/3 voted for Biden
1/3 voted for Trump
1/3 didn't vote.
Ok smart alec, half the voters.
Half the country who bothered to vote within a 3% margin one way or "maybe" the other.
The left owns the institutions so you side with the subverted institutions, you've chosen your bubble.
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It has been somewhat ironic to watch as people like me are made fun of / scolded for getting our frustrations out saying stuff like "resist 46". At the same time, I see that businesses in all the big cities in the US are removing barricades from their buildings. These were supposedly constructed to prevent destruction by the far right, white supremacists, and militias.
Biden won. Why are these barricades coming down? I guess we know who the real sore losers are.
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Looks like in the euphoria of PedoJoe becoming sniffer in chief that some Democrats are sounding warning bells...
Abagail Spanberger almost lost her seat in Virginia, and she called out the party as a whole, and the squad specifically (not by name, but by policy) for adopting rhetoric (defund the police and hard moves towards socialism) that resulted in some surprising losses for the Dems, including Donna Shalalah in Florida.
https://www.wric.com/news/politics/spanberger-calls-congressional-election-results-a-failure-for-house-democrats/
Dems and a lot of pollsters predicted another Blue Wave, and the Dems were wondering what it would like to have a super majority in the house after they picked up a predicted 15 to 25 seats...
The blue wave turned into more of a blue backwash.
I can only hope that the Squad keeps trying to force their pet policies through the Democratic party because it could result, as Spanberger notes, in the party being torn to shreds in 2022...
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Ok smart alec, half the voters.
Half the country who bothered to vote within a 3% margin one way or "maybe" the other.
The left owns the institutions so you side with the subverted institutions, you've chosen your bubble.
When we are discussing things like possible resistance and how the public, especially the rioting class might take outcomes it's important to be specific.
Wiki says there approx 240,000,000 eligible voters in the US. So of the people that could have voted for him he got about 30%.
Less than 1/4 of the people in the US cast a vote for Trump. You should factor that into any boogaloo planning.
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When we are discussing things like possible resistance and how the public, especially the rioting class might take outcomes it's important to be specific.
Wiki says there approx 240,000,000 eligible voters in the US. So of the people that could have voted for him he got about 30%.
Less than 1/4 of the people in the US cast a vote for Trump. You should factor that into any boogaloo planning.
Best thing I've seen so far about this election:
Deep thoughts about the US election:
If the 140 million people in the US who didn't vote were to put the 180 million who did vote in the Grand Canyon, arm them with sporks, and let them settle their differences the old way, we could have world peace someday.
Instead we get to watch you guys shriek at each other over who is going to make the world miserable for the next 4 years...
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Less than 1/4 of the people in the US cast a vote for Trump. You should factor that into any boogaloo planning.
Less than 1/100th of the population violently protested, rioted and looted, but they still, through intimidation, influenced the outcome of the election in their favor.
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Less than 1/100th of the population violently protested, rioted and looted, but they still, through intimidation, influenced the outcome of the election in their favor.
Is there any evidence that worked in their favor? Biden might have received more votes if they stuck to actual peaceful protest.
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So when can we expect the first executive order on sporks?
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Biden might have received more votes if they stuck to actual peaceful protest.
Is there any evidence of that?
The rioters were able to get most of the MSM to portray them as "mostly peaceful" protestors, and the people who opposed them as racist deplorables and what have you. The MSM would not have sent nearly as many "journalists" to actual peaceful and boring protests.
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Is there any evidence of that?
Not that I'm aware of, which is kinda why I asked.
The consensus around here before seemed to be that the unrest was turning off moderates and helping Trump overall.
I believe all the riots and looting have gained Trump votes, or at least kept some who might vote dem at home.
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Not that I'm aware of, which is kinda why I asked.
The consensus around here before seemed to be that the unrest was turning off moderates and helping Trump overall.
And it appears I was wrong there, yes? Just like somehow Biden won when the nation had a sea of Trump yard signs and thousands attending Trump rallies while Biden rallies were ghost towns. That was certainly an indicator to me that Trump should win by a large margin.
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And it appears I was wrong there, yes?
Not necessarily.
It's possible Biden was leading by 6 points going into the riots and they did hurt him, left him with a 3 point lead.
Trump losing doesn't do anything, at least to me, to prove that rioting helped Biden win. It may have just not hurt him enough.
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I can only hope that the Squad keeps trying to force their pet policies through the Democratic party because it could result, as Spanberger notes, in the party being torn to shreds in 2022...
I think it was Hamlet who said, " 'Tis a consumation devoutly to be wished."
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So was Covid-19 an accidental release from Wuhan or was it the ultimate election interference.
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So was Covid-19 an accidental release from Wuhan or was it the ultimate election interference.
I have yet to be completely convinced that it wasn't released on purpose. I doubt we'll ever know now, since Hunter Biden will be making billion dollar deals with China (25% vig for dad!).
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^^^Q should be along shortly to give us the real scoop on the Wuhan flu. Hint: they will all be rounded up in a series of daring midnight raids and sent to Gitmo.
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My sister and brother-in-law have spent the last four years being virulent anti-Trumpers. For instance, right after the 2016 election my BIL stormed into the house for a get-together and said anyone who voted for Trump was a moron and how it was stolen from Hillary, etc. That kind of unifying behavior.
The past few days my sister has apparently been all over Facebook explaining how what America really needs is to come together in unity, have faith in the process, respect for the office of the presidency, and not fall for conspiracy theories about irregularities in the election.
As I don't have a Facebook account I'll have to be sure to tell her next time I see her how much I hope to follow her family's example in how to handle people we disagree with politically.
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As I don't have a Facebook account I'll have to be sure to tell her next time I see her how much I hope to follow her family's example in how to handle people we disagree with politically.
I'm just looking forward to the unity of Cocaine Mitch ripping up 46's first state of the union address on live TV.
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I'm just looking forward to the unity of Cocaine Mitch ripping up 46's first state of the union address on live TV.
>:D
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(https://www.trumparea.com/_pics/algore.jpg)
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The media saved us, everyone!!!! Unity!!!
Holy hell. If anything nudges me into civil war mode, it's crap like this.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/09/wapos-margaret-sullivan-explains-how-despite-everything-trump-put-them-through-the-media-still-might-have-saved-democracy/
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The media saved us, everyone!!!! Unity!!!
Holy hell. If anything nudges me into civil war mode, it's crap like this.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/09/wapos-margaret-sullivan-explains-how-despite-everything-trump-put-them-through-the-media-still-might-have-saved-democracy/
Like saying Hitler saved the Jews
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From the comments:
https://twitter.com/MidnightMitch/status/1325821647463575552/photo/1
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The media saved us, everyone!!!! Unity!!!
Holy hell. If anything nudges me into civil war mode, it's crap like this.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/09/wapos-margaret-sullivan-explains-how-despite-everything-trump-put-them-through-the-media-still-might-have-saved-democracy/
Yes!!!! "Eine volk! Eine reich! Eine fuhrer!!!" [tinfoil] >:D oooops. Got a tad ahead of my skis there, huh? [tinfoil]
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Man, these people cry whether they win or lose.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1325563615022288896
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How many days to Joe's Nobel Peace Prize?
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Man, these people cry whether they win or lose.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1325563615022288896
Daayyum!
I don't think it's the water or the air. Doesn't appear to be genetic. Do they all get injected with some sort of idiot serum upon taking jobs as so-called journalists?
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Interesting. It appears the dems have to impeach Biden on his first day:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/09/wait-what-ben-rhodes-says-foreign-leaders-are-already-having-phone-calls-with-joe-biden-about-policy/
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Interesting. It appears the dems have to impeach Biden on his first day:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/09/wait-what-ben-rhodes-says-foreign-leaders-are-already-having-phone-calls-with-joe-biden-about-policy/
Silly Ben. It's only a Logan Act violation when Republicans do it.
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Daayyum!
I don't think it's the water or the air. Doesn't appear to be genetic. Do they all get injected with some sort of idiot serum upon taking jobs as so-called journalists?
Liberalism is a cognitohazard, a mind virus if you will.
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New Larry Correia is up.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/09/election-2020-the-more-fuckery-update/
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Real Clear Politics has moved PA from the Biden column (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-real-clear-politics-pulls-pennsylvania-call-biden-withdraws-electoral-votes/) and put it in the toss-up column. Bringing Biden under the 270 mark in their count.
It's just one site, that isn't official in any way, and a place that's been wrong about many things but still you only need one pebble to start an avalanche and I feel this could be that pebble.
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Real Clear Politics has moved PA from the Biden column (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-real-clear-politics-pulls-pennsylvania-call-biden-withdraws-electoral-votes/) and put it in the toss-up column. Bringing Biden under the 270 mark in their count.
It's just one site, that isn't official in any way, and a place that's been wrong about many things but still you only need one pebble to start an avalanche and I feel this could be that pebble.
They're not any more official than the rest of the AP trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
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Barr made a move.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/9/william-barr-authorizes-justice-department-voter-f/?fbclid=IwAR0UucabIoMz5HDc_R7QSPUy-sfkPhbLylsRBI0UAuyhA-4OM2Q6GrsWpGA (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/9/william-barr-authorizes-justice-department-voter-f/?fbclid=IwAR0UucabIoMz5HDc_R7QSPUy-sfkPhbLylsRBI0UAuyhA-4OM2Q6GrsWpGA)
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Fixing another "glitch" will bring Biden's lead to under 2000 votes in Wisconsin. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-system-glitch-also-uncovered-wisconsin-reversal-19032-votes-removes-lead-joe-biden/)
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Fixing another "glitch" will bring Biden's lead to under 2000 votes in Wisconsin. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-system-glitch-also-uncovered-wisconsin-reversal-19032-votes-removes-lead-joe-biden/)
- denial <- gateway pundit is still here
- anger
- bargaining
- depression
- acceptance
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- denial <- gateway pundit is still here
- anger
- bargaining
- depression
- acceptance
Sounds like you're the one in denial (denying that there was fraud in this election)
Reposting this since you apparently missed it the first time:
(https://gnews-media-offload.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/07004505/benfords-law.png)
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^^^https://www.eipartnership.net/rapid-response/what-the-election-results-dont-tell-us
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Sounds like you're the one in denial (denying that there was fraud in this election)
I will admit, that was snarky. I could have been more clear with my point which is that gateway pundit article is trash. It contradicts itself and relies on screen shots of changing vote counts as the only evidence that the vote count should change to give Trump 20k more votes in WI. It's a fantasy.
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One of our local news websites, by far the most liberal one, has had a huge popular vote counter across their front page since the 3rd with zero mention of EC votes nor any mention of any voter irregularities. Pretty clear what they're trying to say
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Real Clear Politics has moved PA from the Biden column (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-real-clear-politics-pulls-pennsylvania-call-biden-withdraws-electoral-votes/) and put it in the toss-up column. Bringing Biden under the 270 mark in their count.
It's just one site, that isn't official in any way, and a place that's been wrong about many things but still you only need one pebble to start an avalanche and I feel this could be that pebble.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/technology/false-claims-that-biden-lost-pennsylvania-surge-and-tech-companies-struggle-to-keep-up.html
Real Clear says they did no such thing.
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If the NYT says something is false that must mean it's true
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If the NYT says something is false that must mean it's true
Straight from the horse's mouth:
https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1325973800891150336
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Straight from the horse's mouth:
Or his other end. Whatever.
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Give up your "useless" Trump stuff and get free food.
On Facebook, they offered free food from their Pollo restaurant on Brownsboro Road, to anyone willing to give up their campaign MAGA hats, shirts and flags.
In the post, they called it “useless TRUMP merchandise” and reaction was mixed with people praising and rejecting the offer.
Restaurant owners, Biden supporters offer Trump supporters free food for MAGA hats
https://www.wave3.com/2020/11/10/restaurant-owners-biden-supporters-offer-trump-supporters-free-food-maga-hats/
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Give up your "useless" Trump stuff and get free food.
Restaurant owners, Biden supporters offer Trump supporters free food for MAGA hats
https://www.wave3.com/2020/11/10/restaurant-owners-biden-supporters-offer-trump-supporters-free-food-maga-hats/
Weaponizing food is oldhat for communists, the only historical oddity is that they are providing it.
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Give up your "useless" Trump stuff and get free food.
Restaurant owners, Biden supporters offer Trump supporters free food for MAGA hats
https://www.wave3.com/2020/11/10/restaurant-owners-biden-supporters-offer-trump-supporters-free-food-maga-hats/
Not a chance in hell I'd eat that. No telling what those "the ends justify the means" types would do to it.
[barf]
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This is a scary potential Biden cabinet. Especially the AG slot. Can you imagine the CA AG as the country's AG? For those unfamiliar with him, do a little research. He's a commie slimeball that makes up his own laws and hates guns.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-cabinet-picks-candidates
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^^^https://www.eipartnership.net/rapid-response/what-the-election-results-dont-tell-us
I've already seen it. Doesn't explain why only the ballot data for Biden has an unnatural distribution while the data for Trump (and all third party candidates) shows a natural distribution.
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Different from Kushner how?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/11/how-bout-that-looks-like-the-biden-harris-administration-will-be-a-family-affair/
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"It isn't nepotism when we do it!"
(it would be a major [popcorn] moment if Hunter was given a role)
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"It isn't nepotism when we do it!"
(it would be a major [popcorn] moment if Hunter was given a role)
Ambassador to China
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Ambassador to China
Or Ukraine.
Either way, he has the experience.
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Or drug Czar. I mean he does have experience there too. :rofl:
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Touché
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Touché
Allegedly has experience there too.
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Secretary of Hookers and Blow.
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Secretary of Hookers and Blow.
Clearly he is most qualified to be Director of the Secret Service; he is an S.M.E. for all their major fields of study.
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Holy crap, Maria Bartiromo was just reading off a list of potential Biden cabinet picks. SECDEF = Hillary Clinton. :facepalm:
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Holy crap, Maria Bartiromo was just reading off a list of potential Biden cabinet picks. SECDEF = Hillary Clinton. :facepalm:
Sweet gods. That'll be a mess.
I'll just pencil us in for more mandatory sexual assault prevention training. And later, some more suicide prevention training.. She seems to have a lot of suicides around her.
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Holy crap, Maria Bartiromo was just reading off a list of potential Biden cabinet picks. SECDEF = Hillary Clinton. :facepalm:
Giant meteor strike NOW please ..... just end it already. Please ....
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Holy crap, Maria Bartiromo was just reading off a list of potential Biden cabinet picks. SECDEF = Hillary Clinton. :facepalm:
I'm sure that will do wonders for military recruiting and retention.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/progressive-purge-sanders-warren-being-frozen-out-by-biden-team-report-says
As turmoil from within the Democratic Party begins to bubble to the surface in the face of a lackluster showing in the House of Representatives, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden is seeking to freeze out far-Left progressives like Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), a report from Politico outlined.
Leading Democrats, The Independent noted, have begun to “privately acknowledge” that far-Left types like Sanders and Warren will hurt the party’s chances in coming elections, and thus the pair “have been ruled out” of filling cabinet positions in a potential Biden administration.
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On that whole "move to Georgia and vote" thing - I guess the Democrats suggesting this don’t much care that less affluent people simply cannot afford a temporary move to a new state. If this actually works, it’s just another way for wealthy people to buy an election.
Also, I'm predicting the media-crats will soon begin to express outrage that Trump hasn't resigned yet. Because the Trump virus is killing everyone, etc, it is critical that the President-elect take office immediately. What kind of unfeeling extremists would stand in the way of this?
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So... Trump was supposed to file like 10 lawsuits on Monday. It's Friday. Is there any news about them? Does this lack of news mean good news or does it mean bad news?
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So... Trump was supposed to file like 10 lawsuits on Monday. It's Friday. Is there any news about them? Does this lack of news mean good news or does it mean bad news?
I just saw at least two of them have been dropped by the Trump team. Sounds like they are giving up on Arizona.
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I just saw at least two of them have been dropped by the Trump team. Sounds like they are giving up on Arizona.
They need to save their money for their own bug-out. Everyone on Trump's team will be stained for years.
Someone tell Trump he lost.
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What's interesting is if you look at the decisiondesk HQ map:
https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/
Hover over PA ,where they show Biden won with >99% votes in, but Trump with more votes. AZ is still literally only a 10K vote difference. Georgia is 14K. I don't get PA, but while the odds are against it in the other two, a recount could win them for Trump and he would win the election. That would be interesting.
I don't know if you'll be able to see the Epoch Times map without an account, but they show a map minus the states with recounts/court cases and Trump is ahead in that case, 232 to 227.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-2020
In the end, I think the voter fraud will have done Trump in, but man, if those first three states swung his way, the riots would be glorious (from a distance).
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I just hope that President Trump is not watching 'Wag The Dog' and getting ideas.
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I just hope that President Trump is not watching 'Wag The Dog' and getting ideas.
Not likely, he isn't a democrat.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/13/934610694/former-national-security-officials-worry-what-trump-could-do-in-iran-and-afghani
In the last days of the Nixon administration SecDef Schlesinger gave orders to the military to check with him or SecState Kissinger if President Nixon gave a nuclear launch order. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478
So let us hope that President Trump does not go out with a bang.
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Come on man, he ain’t that unstable
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https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/13/934610694/former-national-security-officials-worry-what-trump-could-do-in-iran-and-afghani
In the last days of the Nixon administration SecDef Schlesinger gave orders to the military to check with him or SecState Kissinger if President Nixon gave a nuclear launch order. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478
So let us hope that President Trump does not go out with a bang.
I like how the left likes to lecture about not believing in conspiracy theories, don’t you MillCreek?
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So let us hope that President Trump does not go out with a bang.
Seriously? Do you really think launching nuclear weapons is as easy as Trump barking an order through a phone? Do you think there might be a couple layers of checks and balances that prevent a unilateral launch order?
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And now they're talking Hillary Clinton for UN Ambassador, which Susan Rice says would be an insult to Hillary. ;/
It would certainly be better than SECDEF, since I don't give a crap about the crappy UN. Though Biden will probably hug the UN and throw billions at them and do whatever the third world shithole countries that run things like the human rights council tell him to do. So maybe I should care. I was really hoping Trump could end the UN's lease in the next four years.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-rumors-of-hillary-clinton-as-un-ambassador-an-insult-to-former-secretary-of-state
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And now they're talking Hillary Clinton for UN Ambassador, which Susan Rice says would be an insult to Hillary
I would hope that a Biden administration would show her the same respect and support she and Obama showed Ambassador Stevens.
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Hillary should be put in charge of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. She has experience
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I like how the left likes to lecture about not believing in conspiracy theories, don’t you MillCreek?
You mean like Pizzagate and QAnon?
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I always thought highly of Condoleezza Rice. I wonder if she would be interested in a position with the Biden administration.
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NPR has an article favorable to Biden Executive Orders to undo everything Trump has done.
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/14/934656049/obama-white-house-veterans-urge-biden-to-embrace-executive-action
Of course if you google "npr trump executive orders" NPR articles are not favorable to using Executive Orders.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=npr+trump+executive+orders
My tax dollars should not be supporting these biased asswipes, yet dollars to donuts, millions more will be tossed their way over the next four years.
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I always thought highly of Condoleezza Rice. I wonder if she would be interested in a position with the Biden administration.
:facepalm: Susan Rice. Not Condoleeza.
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You mean like Pizzagate and QAnon?
Yeah, totally unbelievable that powerful people might be involved in pedophilia, amirite?
But yes, those are the kinds of conspiracy theory that the left likes to dismiss.
Or the idea that voter fraud could possibly exist (except a couple of months ago when it was totally valid to worry about Trump using the USPS to suppress the vote, but now that your candidate won, any allegation of any voter fraud at all ever is a divisive conspiracy theory that fundamentally endangers the country). Or the idea that Democrats might politicize their response to covid. Anyone remember way back when people protesting lockdown were called terrorists, then people rioting to protest perceived police misdeeds were called heroic? Or how Trump’s rallies were superspreader events, but celebrating Biden by partying in the street is to be lauded?
But completely unfounded panic about Trump playing Scarface with nuclear weapons ... totally reasonable concern.
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:facepalm: Susan Rice. Not Condoleeza.
Not to speak for Millcreek, but I'm pretty sure he did mean Condi, possibly as bipartisan outreach.
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Not to speak for Millcreek, but I'm pretty sure he did mean Condi, possibly as bipartisan outreach.
Probably the sticky wicket for Condi is her concern that being gay will finally come out at any confirmation hearings.
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Hillary Clinton says she is an Electoral College elector in New York
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/hillary-clinton-electoral-college-elector/index.html
If Pres. Trump somehow manages to get enough of the fraudulent votes discounted* I think that with Clinton being an elector he would still have problems getting enough electoral votes. I wouldn't put it past her to "chat" with the other electors and convince enough of them to vote against their peoples wishes to get Biden elected.
*I pray he has the strength, tenacity, and support to be able to win in the courts.
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*I pray he has the strength, tenacity, and support to be able to win in the courts.
I just hope the courts can still be counted on to do the right thing. I'm not optimistic.
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The President now begins to set the scene for his exit:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/15/donald-trump-joe-biden-won-tweet
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https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/13/934610694/former-national-security-officials-worry-what-trump-could-do-in-iran-and-afghani
In the last days of the Nixon administration SecDef Schlesinger gave orders to the military to check with him or SecState Kissinger if President Nixon gave a nuclear launch order. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478
So let us hope that President Trump does not go out with a bang.
You just can't wait to get going on the great reset can you?
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The President now begins to set the scene for his exit:
I remember way back when we were worried about Trump nuking the world to stay in power.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!
He's not wrong.
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You just can't wait to get going on the great reset can you?
Staggers the mind.
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I concede NOTHING!
But did Joe Biden call 'No take backs'? It makes all the difference.
Also, does the 'whoever smelt it, dealt it' doctrine apply to fake news?
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;)
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While there has been a lot of focus on urban centers lately because of the fraud allegations, it's looking like Biden's total vote count in a lot of those cities won't end up that different than Clinton's.
Democrats were counting on massive big-city margins this year, hoping to avoid a repeat of four years ago when unexpectedly low voter turnout in several key cities helped Donald Trump win the presidency.
But it was suburbia — not large cities — that delivered the over-the-top margins that put Joe Biden in the White House. And in at least a handful of cities in key battleground states this month, Trump actually ran slightly better than in 2016.
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In Philadelphia, Trump picked up more total votes this year than he won in 2016. In Milwaukee, the number of total ballots cast was essentially flat, and somewhat down in majority-Black wards. In Detroit, Trump found more votes in 2020 than four years ago, while Biden drew about 1,000 fewer than Clinton, according to unofficial results. And in Miami, where the shift was among the starkest, Biden carried the city by 19 percentage points — less than half of Clinton’s 40-point win.
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While big cities delivered large tranches of votes for Biden in battleground states, it was the increasingly diverse and Democratic-trending suburbs that provided the blowout margins for him. The suburbs in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan came out strongly for Biden, making up for the fact that he matched Clinton while Trump grew his support in key cities. Many of those suburbs have been tilting leftward for years, which is a significant dilemma for the GOP. Looking at down-ballot races where Republicans did better than expected, though, it’s clear some suburban voters have not become partisan Democrats but are instead simply swing voters who cast a ballot against Trump.
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Do you put a lot of trust in stories by Politico, DittoHead? They're just as bad at ginning up fake news as the rest of the MSM in my opinion.
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While there has been a lot of focus on urban centers lately because of the fraud allegations, it's looking like Biden's total vote count in a lot of those cities won't end up that different than Clinton's.
I was about to say, without looking, that the analysis conflated cities where massive voter fraud is not alleged with the 4 cities that stole the election for Biden.
Looks like you even put the weasel words in your own post that indicates Politico is trying to confuse the issue by saying: "look at how Cincinnati had almost the same vote for Biden as for Hillary! CLEARLY there was no vote fraud in Philadelphia."
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The President now begins to set the scene for his exit:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/15/donald-trump-joe-biden-won-tweet
A masterclass in why people don't trust the media.
The Guardian's first two lines say:
On Sunday morning, Donald Trump tweeted about Joe Biden.
“He won,” he wrote.
Mr. Trump actually tweeted (and it's hyperlinked):
He won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn’t even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!
The Guardian got to the fourth paragraph before actually using Trump's words in context, so they can shrug of reports of "taking it out of context", but if you read the headline and first couple paragraphs they present Trump as implying something he clearly didn't.
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Trump received more votes in California than any Republican presidential candidate ever:
https://patch.com/california/losgatos/s/hbcnt/trump-breaks-ca-election-records-for-most-republican-votes
(more of a trivia point than anything else, since Biden officially received 10 million votes in CA)
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The President now begins to set the scene for his exit:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/15/donald-trump-joe-biden-won-tweet
I think I see the problem:
Mainstream experts and analysts agree it was not. The presidential result in Georgia is subject to a recount – which Trump on Sunday called a “scam” – but it is not expected to slip from Biden’s column and the Democrat will be inaugurated as the 46th president on 20 January.
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(more of a trivia point than anything else, since Biden officially received 10 million votes in CA)
Which would have been like 2 million without the drivers licenses for illegals program. =D
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Do you put a lot of trust in stories by Politico, DittoHead?
I've seen other sources report on Biden's flat performance in the cities so I have no reason to doubt those numbers, although there are plenty of competing theories on why he didn't improve at all.
the analysis conflated cities where massive voter fraud is not alleged with the 4 cities that stole the election for Biden.
Looks like you even put the weasel words in your own post that indicates Politico is trying to confuse the issue
I don't even know which 4 cities you think "stole the election" so if I conflated them or confused, I apologize. I've seen plenty of fraud accusations in Milwaukee & Detroit, which were the two I noted in the article, and Philadelphia looks like a similar story as far as Biden's flat performance.
Four years ago, the city made up just under 20% of the state’s votes for Clinton. It currently makes up about 17% of Pennsylvania’s votes for Biden.
So yes, Philadelphia’s votes were crucial for Biden. But look at the margins.
First, there’s how many votes each county gave to Biden vs. Trump. For Philadelphia, it’s a net of about 446,000 votes for Biden (574,000 votes for Biden minus 128,000 votes for Trump).
That’s a lot, yes, but then we have to compare that with 2016. After all, the basic political map is pretty set. You know Philadelphia and its suburbs will go blue; you know rural counties will go red. The question is by how much, and how they all stack up.
Clinton received a net 475,000 votes from Philadelphia (584,000 for Clinton minus 109,000 for Trump.)
That means Philadelphia still turned in a ton of votes for Biden — but it was actually about 30,000 fewer net votes than the city gave to Clinton. Those numbers will change as Philadelphia counts its remaining votes, so the gap will shrink, and Biden may ultimately actually receive slightly more net votes than Clinton, but it’s nothing like the huge changes we saw elsewhere in the state.
So what made the big difference this year?
The suburbs.
None of this disproves fraud (and I made no such claim) but in comparing it to 2016, the big changes in those former blue wall states did not come from the cities where fraud allegations have been frequent. I've seen similar reports from cities that aren't in swing states like Chicago - Biden got 83% vs Clinton 84%. For the most part Biden lost ground in rural areas, stayed flat in cities, and gained in the suburbs.
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Even if we assume widespread fraud, best case scenario is that close to half of the actual voters voted for Joe Biden.
Let that sink in ...
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Even if we assume widespread fraud, best case scenario is that close to half of the actual voters voted for Joe Biden.
They may have marked Joe Biden on their ballots, but I still think he was an afterthought and the vast majority were voting against Donald Trump.
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They may have marked Joe Biden on their ballots, but I still think he was an afterthought and the vast majority were voting against Donald Trump.
Vast majority may be a vast overstatement.
The Democrats have a large base of voters who will vote Democrat regardless of who is on the ballot. Pretty much an overwhelming majority of all minorities and recent naturalized immigrants as well as maybe up to 40% of Caucasian citizens.
There is always a squishy middle found in both parties who can break one way or the other. It all depends on how successful the programming and conditioning from the EIMC* was in inserting their code into the mind numbed robots and NPC's
*Evil Industrial Media Complex
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Even if we assume widespread fraud, best case scenario is that close to half of the actual voters voted for Joe Biden.
Let that sink in ...
[Carlin] “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” [/Carlin]
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^^^Was George actually referring to the median, I wonder....
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The Trump campaign is paying $3 million for a partial recount in WI where he trails by 20K votes.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHkWuOXUAE7DUf?format=jpg&name=small)
In 2016 Jill Stein paid about $3.5 million for a recount of the entire state which shifted the vote margin by less than 600 votes.
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I don't see how a recount will remedy those problems, the faulty ballots are mixed in with the good ones by now.
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I don't see how a recount will remedy those problems, the faulty ballots are mixed in with the good ones by now.
True, and with no reasonable way to segregate the bad ballots, DJT just wasted $3 million bucks.
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