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Title: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: gunsmith on October 21, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
 Some folks that I respect, are saying we are.
Yet, locally, Reno,NV - everyone is very doubtful we will be much affected.
 One local sort of conservative person thinks our power grid will be attacked.

 We already have seen lots of unrest in bluer areas - SF/Portland/NYC, the standard reply at work is "well, I got guns, ammo" ....
but I am not quite sure if they have thought it through.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: charby on October 21, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
I believe we will have civil unrest if Trump wins. I believe we will have civil unrest if Biden/Harris can't deliver.

There is no stomach for a civil war.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 21, 2020, 08:06:27 PM
I think the term "civil war" is being greatly over used with regards to our current political situation.
I expect to see the "(un)civil unrest" continuing to ramp up, particularly if Trump wins another term.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see the "unrest" escalate to no-*expletive deleted*it terrorism level, it's not too far from that now.

Things I hope we don't see but also would not surprise me:
Mass casualty attacks at a polling place.
Riots at polling places.
More Trump supporters being attacked and beaten or killed.
A blm/antifa mob attacking the wrong person/group and getting their collective asses handed to them in a particularly violent manner. (I'd almost like to see that, almost.)

In the event of a Trump loss I would not be surprised to see the blm/antifa mob types energized to the point of targeting conservative groups in order to elicit a violent response in the hopes that the local government comes down hard on the conservatives.

Too many possible ugly scenarios to list. Either way we are in for more violence and destruction and a continued erosion of civil discourse.

But "civil war"? I sure hope not.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on October 21, 2020, 09:13:22 PM
A lot of Balkanization is in our future. We’d be lucky to have a “normal” civil war...what we will get will be far bloodier and tear a lot more families and friends apart and will make 1861-1865 look like nothing.

You’ve seen how insane TDS sufferers have been just because Bad Orange Man got elected but hasn’t even done much of anything. Those people are *expletive deleted*ing nuts and are big fans of the same kind of *expletive deleted*it Hitler and Stalin pulled
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on October 21, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
The Democrats/leftists/BLM/Antifa (but I repeat myself) will engage in civil unrest regardless of what happens.

Unless the word comes down (from the out of sight money guys who are calling the shots) that they should stand down.

Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Andiron on October 21, 2020, 09:46:55 PM
We're already in low intensity conflict in the areas you've mentioned.  It goes hot and I see more balkanization.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 21, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
If Trump wins, non-acceptance of his victory and civil unrest and rioting by the likes of antifa. Likely that unrest will continue and escalate. While I feel sorry for the innocents there, the civil unrest will continue in the areas we've already seen it - with these jackasses continuing to *expletive deleted*it where they eat.

If they attempt to take it outside of those liberal urban areas, I think that's when some on our side will say enough is enough and the switch will turn from "off" to "on". No civil war, but we will see good people decide it's time to stop being polite. A possible bright spot to that is that it might make the rioters decide they've had enough and take themselves back to the safety of Twitter and their basements.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Andiron on October 21, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
If Trump wins, non-acceptance of his victory and civil unrest and rioting by the likes of antifa. Likely that unrest will continue and escalate. While I feel sorry for the innocents there, the civil unrest will continue in the areas we've already seen it - with these jackasses continuing to *expletive deleted*it where they eat.

If they attempt to take it outside of those liberal urban areas, I think that's when some on our side will say enough is enough and the switch will turn from "off" to "on". No civil war, but we will see good people decide it's time to stop being polite. A possible bright spot to that is that it might make the rioters decide they've had enough and take themselves back to the safety of Twitter and their basements.

Violent aholes should be gunned down at some point while being violent aholes.  Por encourage les autres.  I just got through reading a post asking when it's okay to shoot violent aholes in front of your house throwing rocks and molotovs.  If you have to debate that one we are well and truly screwed.  The amount of people on our side that didn't learn anything from Neville Chamberlain's approach is appalling.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: RocketMan on October 21, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
It's going to be more of an attempted revolution than civil war in my opinion.  Two very different critters, politically.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: MillCreek on October 21, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
I think that nothing that dramatic will be happening regardless of who is elected. The weather will help keep people inside. People generally don't riot in the snow and rain. 
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: JN01 on October 21, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
I think that nothing that dramatic will be happening regardless of who is elected. The weather will help keep people inside. People generally don't riot in the snow and rain. 

The burning buildings and cars will keep them warm.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 22, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
There will be unrest either way, though a Trump win is pretty much guaranteed to result in riots and localized SJW "uprisings". I see them as happening mostly in places already allowing it. The rest of the country is well and truly tired of their bullshit. I think the uprisers will encounter a harsh, unyielding, and finality-laden welcome if they try and expand their territories. If not in general, then at least from tight-knit locals who are absolutely committed to their communities and who know how to keep their mouths shut.

Brad
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on October 22, 2020, 10:51:01 AM
One scenario I envision is the following.

It's not going to spread to the sticks, that's last.

The unrest or attacks will expand into the collar county suburbs of the big cities that are already facilitating the domestic terrorism. This is where they have the most soldiers and control of the systems of power. Probably not mass mobilizations like in the cities but individual attacks on infrastructure designed to cause fear, inconvenience and frustration among soccer moms.

My suspicion is the plans are already in place and the combatants are just waiting for the GO! signal from the wealthy funders behind the scenes.

Worst case scenario is that the attacks are framed as right wing violence.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: grampster on October 22, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
The shame of it is that there are so many Americans who are so woefully willfully ignorant it is an embarrassment.  Double shame is how the American media is part of the apparatus being used to tear down our Constitutional Republic.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: MechAg94 on October 22, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
One scenario I envision is the following.

It's not going to spread to the sticks, that's last.

The unrest or attacks will expand into the collar county suburbs of the big cities that are already facilitating the domestic terrorism. This is where they have the most soldiers and control of the systems of power. Probably not mass mobilizations like in the cities but individual attacks on infrastructure designed to cause fear, inconvenience and frustration among soccer moms.

My suspicion is the plans are already in place and the combatants are just waiting for the GO! signal from the wealthy funders behind the scenes.

Worst case scenario is that the attacks are framed as right wing violence.
If they go out into the suburbs in mobs, they will come in contact with more law enforcement that is not willing to overlook the violence and more people who are willing to use firearms.  I think that will be too close to home for a lot of people.  I recall seeing a story where one of the "protests" ventured into a suburban neighborhood near Minneapolis and someone shot at them.  They did not continue into the neighborhood.  So far, most of the violence is opportunistic and in places where they can get away with it.  They feel safer in their numbers.

Some of what I see people talking about is more like guerilla warfare.  Do you really think these people are going to do that? 
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: zxcvbob on October 22, 2020, 11:38:00 AM
Some of what I see people talking about is more like guerilla warfare.  Do you really think these people are going to do that? 

Yes.  Very poorly.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2020, 11:41:04 AM

Some of what I see people talking about is more like guerilla warfare.  Do you really think these people are going to do that? 

For the most part, I doubt it. Though I think there is likely a small percentage of them who have played Call of Duty one too many times and might try something.

This, again, is just from my armchair, but this is the scenario that I think would cool their jets: A mob of "burn it down" aficionados decides to terrorize a suburban neighborhood. A dozen of them approach a house and decide to lob Molotovs. If even just one of the group throws the fire, the homeowner opens up on all of them. Again, from my armchair, this is what I might expect a soldier to do if the Taliban approach his position with a rocket launcher. You don't just shoot that guy - you shoot at all of them, because it's war.

Obviously in a lot of places, the homeowner ends up in the pokey, but that approach is what stops these gangs. You don't just shoot the mouthy one, because they are all a threat.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: K Frame on October 22, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
Sure. Why not. We've already got the civil unrest. Hell, we've had the civil unrest since Election Night 2016.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: DittoHead on October 22, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Some of what I see people talking about is more like guerilla warfare.  Do you really think these people are going to do that? 
It wouldn't be unprecedented.
Quote from: https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough
In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972 the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: AJ Dual on October 22, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
I think there's definitely going to be more civil unrest, no matter what the outcome of the election is.

However, by some metrics we haven't even reached 1960's-1970's levels of violence either.

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In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972 the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.

LOL DittoHead beat me to it. 1968-1974 was definitely "spicy".
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: dogmush on October 22, 2020, 12:03:01 PM
If they go out into the suburbs in mobs, they will come in contact with more law enforcement that is not willing to overlook the violence and more people who are willing to use firearms.  I think that will be too close to home for a lot of people.  I recall seeing a story where one of the "protests" ventured into a suburban neighborhood near Minneapolis and someone shot at them.  They did not continue into the neighborhood. 

They did leave in a hurry.  I remember that video.

There was also the attempted protest in the Seattle Police Chief's suburban neighborhood.  Her neighbors were having non of it.  That altercation gave birth to my favorite conversation of 2020:

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BLM/Antifa Basic White Girl:  "we're just protesting peacefully and you're pointing GUNS at us!
Homeowner:  That's why you're being peaceful.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2020, 08:07:45 AM
Apparently if we have election night/post-election violence, it will be because of white militias. Also maybe blame it on cops.  ;/

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The report also states that militia presence can also be heightened in areas where militia members have cultivated personal relationships with police or law enforcement or where there might be a friendly attitude by law enforcement towards these groups.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/potentially-violent-militia-groups-could-be-rampant-leading-up-to-elections-in-these-five-states-report
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 23, 2020, 06:52:32 PM
It's going to be more of an attempted revolution than civil war in my opinion.  Two very different critters, politically.

This.  We are decades deep in a culture war with socialist political revolution as a goal point.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: T.O.M. on October 24, 2020, 10:24:34 PM
If Trump wins, I fear civil unrest in urban environments, the  same places that have seen unrest this year.  I believe this is more likely to be true if he wins the electoral college but not the popular vote.  And I believe this will be followed by idiots in Congress introducing legislation to end the electoral college, not realizing it would require a Constitutional amendment to do so. 

If Biden wins, there will be smoldering embers of trouble in more rural areas, with potential to erupt if/when Biden pushes gun control, raises taxes on average people, or just does something that could be seen as un-American.

Worse case?  A lot of issues on election day requiring court intervention.  Protests by both sides outside courthouses.  Violence erupts between the two groups.  Someone fires shots.  Those shots are returned.  A gunbattle ensues.  Nothing good follows.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: zxcvbob on October 25, 2020, 12:43:21 AM
If Trump wins, I fear civil unrest in urban environments, the  same places that have seen unrest this year. I believe this is more likely to be true if he wins the electoral college but not the popular vote.  And I believe this will be followed by idiots in Congress introducing legislation to end the electoral college, not realizing it would require a Constitutional amendment to do so. 

If Biden wins, there will be smoldering embers of trouble in more rural areas, with potential to erupt if/when Biden pushes gun control, raises taxes on average people, or just does something that could be seen as un-American.

Worse case?  A lot of issues on election day requiring court intervention.  Protests by both sides outside courthouses.  Violence erupts between the two groups.  Someone fires shots.  Those shots are returned.  A gunbattle ensues.  Nothing good follows.

He can't win the popular vote.  California will produce however many votes it takes to prevent that, even if it means something impossible like 150% voter turnout.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Lennyjoe on October 25, 2020, 08:22:06 AM
In the event of a Trump loss I would not be surprised to see the blm/antifa mob types energized to the point of targeting conservative groups in order to elicit a violent response in the hopes that the local government comes down hard on the conservatives.

This, again, is just from my armchair, but this is the scenario that I think would cool their jets: A mob of "burn it down" aficionados decides to terrorize a suburban neighborhood. A dozen of them approach a house and decide to lob Molotovs. If even just one of the group throws the fire, the homeowner opens up on all of them. Again, from my armchair, this is what I might expect a soldier to do if the Taliban approach his position with a rocket launcher. You don't just shoot that guy - you shoot at all of them, because it's war.

These are my top 2 most probable scenarios given what’s going on around us.  I’ve already discussed with several neighbors in our community on how we’d respond to those groups coming out to our rural neighborhood.  We have only 2 road entry exits and discussed how we’d barricade them to keep vehicle traffic out.  Still have work to do on how we’d patrol and deter foot traffic from outsiders still if things start to elevate...
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on October 25, 2020, 09:02:09 AM
There is virtually no way a BLM/Antifa mob would dare to attempt such in my state (everybody has guns and our guns have guns) but damn near every homeowner here would do their best to kill the entire mob, even going so far as to pursue and eliminate survivors retreating.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on October 25, 2020, 09:10:52 AM
False flag attacks on infrastructure, maybe including deaths, ascribed to right wingers is most likely.

Toe to toe they get destroyed.

Information warfare, narrative control is where the battle is taking place, NOW, already.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 25, 2020, 09:28:54 AM
False flag attacks on infrastructure, maybe including deaths, ascribed to right wingers is most likely.

Toe to toe they get destroyed.

Information warfare, narrative control is where the battle is taking place, NOW, already.

I posted a little bit up the thread that the news is promoting "militia violence" as the violence we'll see, despite what we have already seen.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on October 25, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
I posted a little bit up the thread that the news is promoting "militia violence" as the violence we'll see, despite what we have already seen.

It's already unpopular and even dangerous in some cases to publicly support Trump.

Let that sink in ...

Dupage County Illinois, former "Republican" stronghold and people are afraid to put Trump signs in their yard due to the threat of vandalism or WORSE.

Trump isn't even that right wing, what the left has in store for the real right is probably unthinkable.

First they must demonize.

It's OK to hunt and kill demons right?

It's OK to round up and arrest demons right?

That's the play I'm starting to see and expect if Biden somehow wins.



Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 30, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
Whatever might or might not happen, sounds like it will be a busy shopping weekend. I don't need anything, but it's likely a good reminder to stay out of the city until after next Tuesday if I don't want to deal with crowds.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/american-shoppers-panic-buying-in-anticipation-of-election-second-covid-19-wave
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on October 30, 2020, 11:31:41 PM
Interesting article about the strategy behind the last minute revelations of Joe Bidens corruption.

Readers digest version:

Full reveal of all the sordid details after Trump loses but before the electoral college votes.

Forcing the electors in the electoral college to refuse to elect Biden.

Interesting read if nothing else. Strap in, it's going to get bumpy.

https://watchingromeburn.uk/news/trumps-64-day-post-election-endgame-or-can-a-criminal-be-inaugurated-president/
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 30, 2020, 11:47:25 PM
Interesting article about the strategy behind the last minute revelations of Joe Bidens corruption.

Readers digest version:

Full reveal of all the sordid details after Trump loses but before the electoral college votes.

Forcing the electors in the electoral college to refuse to elect Biden.

Interesting read if nothing else. Strap in, it's going to get bumpy.

https://watchingromeburn.uk/news/trumps-64-day-post-election-endgame-or-can-a-criminal-be-inaugurated-president/

Yeah, I don't know. They still nominated Joe, knowing he had bragged about doing the same thing Trump was "impeached" for.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 31, 2020, 04:35:13 AM
Interesting article about the strategy behind the last minute revelations of Joe Bidens corruption.

Readers digest version:

Full reveal of all the sordid details after Trump loses but before the electoral college votes.

Forcing the electors in the electoral college to refuse to elect Biden.

Interesting read if nothing else. Strap in, it's going to get bumpy.

https://watchingromeburn.uk/news/trumps-64-day-post-election-endgame-or-can-a-criminal-be-inaugurated-president/

Dunno the likelihood but it would certainly be interesting.

Electors cast votes for potus and Veep separately, thus there's a scant chance of a Trump/Harris admin.  We shall see if fate has a sense of humor.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: K Frame on October 31, 2020, 07:58:38 AM
This weekend I'm pulling another shotgun out of the safe and putting it downstairs along with a better choice of handgun (probably my Hi Power).

I'm also going to load up the magazine for the Sub 2000. I've not shot it yet, but the person whom I bought it from has vouched that it works great. If it doesn't and I get killed, I'll haunt him mercilessly.

Thinking seriously about putting a gun in the car even though taking a gun onto my company's property is a fireable offense.

Really don't think there will be problems in my neck of the woods, but I don't feel like taking chances.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on October 31, 2020, 07:09:08 PM
Well, the celebrities will be safe if there's any unrest.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/31/the-hypocrisy-is-real-ny-post-reports-celeb-packed-apartments-in-manhattan-will-be-protected-by-armed-guards-during-after-the-election/
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 31, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
Well, the celebrities will be safe if there's any unrest.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/31/the-hypocrisy-is-real-ny-post-reports-celeb-packed-apartments-in-manhattan-will-be-protected-by-armed-guards-during-after-the-election/

Doesn't work if someone torches the whole building.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: dogmush on October 31, 2020, 08:21:27 PM
Doesn't work if someone torches the whole building.

Depends on what you mean by "work".  Armed guards could keep them from getting out........
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 02, 2020, 09:55:23 PM
Well, here's something for you people in the DC area. Twitchy said they don't yet have a source for the video, but it's apparently a Zoom call with Shutdown DC. The woman in the video is well-known.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/02/what-would-it-take-to-surround-the-white-house-and-have-people-do-stuff-shut-down-dc-makes-plans/

https://twitter.com/i/status/1323386654422409218

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2019/09/anti-racist-activist-lisa-fithian-teaches-social-change-tactics

Mike better hurry up and get his AR fixed.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 02, 2020, 10:31:07 PM
Some bold assumptions from that lady....
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on November 02, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
I can’t post images here for some reason (even with hotlinking) but over on the APS facebook group I posted a nice screenshot of Leftist Twitter warriors calling for rounding up Trump supporters and eliminating them. Responders to the tweet thought that might be going a bit too far but that blocking them from voting, seizing their property, and throwing them into “re-education camps” was the way to go.

Look at that *expletive deleted*it, along with other far left tweets calling for “Truth and Reconciliation” tribunals and tell me with a straight *expletive deleted*ing face we aren’t headed to a bloody civil war.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: MechAg94 on November 02, 2020, 10:55:16 PM
This weekend I'm pulling another shotgun out of the safe and putting it downstairs along with a better choice of handgun (probably my Hi Power).

I'm also going to load up the magazine for the Sub 2000. I've not shot it yet, but the person whom I bought it from has vouched that it works great. If it doesn't and I get killed, I'll haunt him mercilessly.

Thinking seriously about putting a gun in the car even though taking a gun onto my company's property is a fireable offense.

Really don't think there will be problems in my neck of the woods, but I don't feel like taking chances.
Good luck to you.  Hope you don't have to break in the Sub2000. 

Do you have a good shovel?
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 02, 2020, 11:01:08 PM
I’d recommend staying out of big cities the next few days especially if you have MAGA hats, Trump banners or flags on your vehicle/person.  Not that you shouldn’t support our Pres, but better not to draw attention to yourself unless you want to.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: HankB on November 02, 2020, 11:41:57 PM
There is virtually no way a BLM/Antifa mob would dare to attempt such in my state (everybody has guns and our guns have guns) but damn near every homeowner here would do their best to kill the entire mob, even going so far as to pursue and eliminate survivors retreating.
Sounds like a nice place - any properties up for sale there?  ;)

I'm in a suburb just west of Austin, TX, and I don't see much chance of a riot breaking out here . . . but I will be prepared. And I have reason to believe that at least some others will be prepared as well. I also don't see our mayor ordering the local constabulary to stand down. (That may not be the case in Austin proper.)
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on November 03, 2020, 04:22:09 AM
Sounds like a nice place - any properties up for sale there?  ;)

I'm in a suburb just west of Austin, TX, and I don't see much chance of a riot breaking out here . . . but I will be prepared. And I have reason to believe that at least some others will be prepared as well. I also don't see our mayor ordering the local constabulary to stand down. (That may not be the case in Austin proper.)

Plenty, problem is in/around the major city we have a ton of outsiders moving in that worry me in that they are from Blue strongholds. Houses sell in a couple hours and we are one of the fastest growing areas in America. We need every friend of freedom we can get to hold onto our freedom.

You are in aviation right? Lockheed just opened a new F-16 line here at the industrial airport/manufacturing complex plus they do a lot of other work.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: K Frame on November 05, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
"Do you have a good shovel?"

Even better...

I have a big dog who likes a raw food diet.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: K Frame on November 05, 2020, 02:04:59 PM
Double tap...
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 05, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
I can dig a pretty deep hole with the tractor in a fairly short amount of time.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Phyphor on November 05, 2020, 05:30:04 PM
"Do you have a good shovel?"

Even better...

I have a big dog who likes a raw food diet.


I wouldn't feed Seren that crap........
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: MillCreek on November 06, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
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Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 06, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
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No habla?
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 06, 2020, 06:56:21 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Bikers4America/posts/1270940793237312

From last July:

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To everyone instigating a possible civil war from all sides, let me give you a little bit of advice. Many of us served and fought in the wars.

When our time was done, we came back to the USA to start over and live in peace.

It wasn’t us who kneeled on the neck of a man until he died. It wasn’t us to retaliated by kneeling on the neck of a toddler saying “BLM NOW mf.”

You see, War is Hell! Millions of you do not quite grasp this concept. We have been to Hell, lived in Hell, climbed out of Hell, and don’t want to go back to Hell. If you keep trampling on the peace we fought for, earned, and love, then when that first shot gets fired, you will force us back to Hell; and we will show you the brutal realities of Hell.

Y’all better work this *expletive deleted*it out before we do, because I guarantee you are not ready for this.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: WLJ on November 06, 2020, 07:04:18 PM
I have a feeling I can't shake that I'm on a Zeppelin and there's a madman running loose on board with a flaming torch
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: T.O.M. on November 06, 2020, 07:12:59 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Bikers4America/posts/1270940793237312

From last July:


QFT

People who have never put on a uniform like to throw around terms like "revolution" and "civil war" and act like a bad ass waiving around a weapon while they do so.  God forbid, if shots are fired in anger, most of these people will wet themselves and run away.

The troublemakers who enjoy hunting in packs for easy prey will soon be headed inside.  Cold weather tends to cut down on their willingness to stalk the streets.  That, and a whole lot of people have bought up guns and ammo.  The odds may quickly turn against them.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 06, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
I get the impression that the legacy Dem leadership is getting eviscerated right now.  Pretty sure Pelosi is getting sent out to pasture.  Look for her to be quietly retired in 2022.

They may leave guns alone.  It does sure seem to rile up the right when they go after them.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 06, 2020, 10:04:08 PM
I get the impression that the legacy Dem leadership is getting eviscerated right now.  Pretty sure Pelosi is getting sent out to pasture.  Look for her to be quietly retired in 2022.

They may leave guns alone.  It does sure seem to rile up the right when they go after them.

Given the Dem's recent track record, one ought not rule out a Speaker from the "Squad," or a Speaker Waters, or what-have-you.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 06, 2020, 11:43:23 PM
Mob rule and the destruction of everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56LcrPRkgg
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 07, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
Mob rule and the destruction of everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56LcrPRkgg


Good video. Because of another thread here, I had downloaded some G.K. Chesterton, but haven't read it yet. This got me to move him to the front of my Kindle queue. As soon as  I finish my current book, I'm reading him.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ron on November 07, 2020, 09:43:12 AM
Just how far will Trump push this I wonder?

Republicans usually tuck their tail and slink away in the face of such blatant use of institutional power against them.

I like that Trump is shining the spotlight on the government malfeasance and holding a mirror up to the voters, saying look at yourselves.

All of us that have looked the other way in the face of past obvious voter fraud are getting a good hard look at the scope of the problem.

Hey America, take a good look.  

You're a banana republic!
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: TommyGunn on November 07, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
   .....  Hey America, take a good look.  

You're a banana republic!


Sadly, yes.   We are that.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: 230RN on November 07, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
Well it doesn't help when the professional newscasters are referring to his observations as "baseless" and "unfounded" right there in front of the cameras.  And they aren't quoting anyone.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on November 07, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
Well it doesn't help when the professional newscasters are referring to his observations as "baseless" and "unfounded" right there in front of the cameras.  And they aren't quoting anyone.

Our local news station, had their banner across as Trump gave his speech, as “Trump falsely claims election fraud”

I’m sure that went over well here in MAGA country red as *expletive deleted*ck upstate SC.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: French G. on November 07, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
Given the Dem's recent track record, one ought not rule out a Speaker from the "Squad," or a Speaker Waters, or what-have-you.

Don't get me excited. Either on would be a comedy goldmine. Pelosi is nasty and not all there anymore but she isn't stupid. the others? Well.....
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: WLJ on November 07, 2020, 11:46:50 AM

Don't get me excited. Either on would be a comedy goldmine. Pelosi is nasty and not all there anymore but she isn't stupid. the others? Well.....

Pelosi knows all too well how to work the system. One of the squad as speaker would be like a bull on LSD in a whoopee cushion factory.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: zxcvbob on November 07, 2020, 11:51:30 AM
I think the primary goal of the election challenges at this point should be 20 years in prison for as many politicians and election judges as possible in places like Philadelphia and Detroit for election tampering and fraud.  (are federal prosecutors even investigating that?)  Yeah, I know that will never happen, but don't ruin my fantasy.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 07, 2020, 04:28:06 PM
If this is an example of the Biden/Harris fan club, the civil unrest will be coming from our side.

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Knowing your children will one day be forced to read my book on anti-racism in school on your tax dollars makes me so happy.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/07/author-so-happy-knowing-your-children-will-be-forced-to-read-his-anti-racist-book-on-being-a-better-white-person-on-your-tax-dollars/
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 08, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
Plenty of civil unrest on the Left.  Now they're attacking each other:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-rally-violence-wisconsin

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In what should have been a festive day for Biden supporters quickly turned violent at a rally in Madison, Wisconsin. A man at a Biden-Harris gathering brutally assaulted another rally-goer on Saturday, only hours after several media outlets declared that Joe Biden had won the 2020 presidential election.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: French G. on November 08, 2020, 11:39:52 PM
Plenty of civil unrest on the Left.  Now they're attacking each other:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-rally-violence-wisconsin


Wait( not long) for the first minority to get shot by a cop in this era of peace, love, unity, hope, change and dementia. Full potato.

Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 09:23:49 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927033/Arkansas-police-chief-forced-resign-warned-death-Marxist-Democrats.html
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 09:29:38 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927033/Arkansas-police-chief-forced-resign-warned-death-Marxist-Democrats.html

I disagree with how he has channeled his emotions. It serves no real purpose. It's interesting though:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/08/23/35449682-8927033-image-a-38_1604876566296.jpg)

Kind of reminds you of something, doesn't it? Something that was applauded when a different demographic did it? Maxine Waters still has a job.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: TommyGunn on November 09, 2020, 11:08:27 AM
I disagree with how he has channeled his emotions. It serves no real purpose. It's interesting though:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/08/23/35449682-8927033-image-a-38_1604876566296.jpg)

Kind of reminds you of something, doesn't it? Something that was applauded when a different demographic did it? Maxine Waters still has a job.

"What goes around comes around."   "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

Those old cliche's   come back like the Gods of the Copy book Headings.  Or something like that .....

I can't approve of that post,  or the police chief,  but after four years of antifa/BLM  and many lefties and even elected democrat official (and some republican reprobates)  heaping  piles of stiersheisse  upon Trump,  the baseless Steele Document based inquiries,  the hollow impeachment,  the way many conservatives have been treated,  I cannot blame either of them.

But when does it stop?    If conservatives "stop"  do they ..... or do they think we've just capitulated and redouble their efforts to Marxify America?   
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 09, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
"What goes around comes around."   "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

Those old cliche's   come back like the Gods of the Copy book Headings.  Or something like that .....

I can't approve of that post,  or the police chief,  but after four years of antifa/BLM  and many lefties and even elected democrat official (and some republican reprobates)  heaping  piles of stiersheisse  upon Trump,  the baseless Steele Document based inquiries,  the hollow impeachment,  the way many conservatives have been treated,  I cannot blame either of them.

But when does it stop?    If conservatives "stop"  do they ..... or do they think we've just capitulated and redouble their efforts to Marxify America?   

A straight pogrom of the progressives, ejecting them to communist countries, is the outcome with the least genocide potential.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Well, I guess we'll see how popular the antifa (it's just an idea!) are with the left now:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-democratic-campaign-office-biden-smashed-windows-vandalism
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 01:18:27 PM
Sauce.  Goose.  Gander.  Schadenfreude

Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: lee n. field on November 09, 2020, 08:45:50 PM
I disagree with how he has channeled his emotions. It serves no real purpose. It's interesting though:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/08/23/35449682-8927033-image-a-38_1604876566296.jpg)

Kind of reminds you of something, doesn't it? Something that was applauded when a different demographic did it? Maxine Waters still has a job.

I thought it was a parody.  It's an exact mirror of what you see from the left.  Perhaps deliberately so.  Perhaps he borrowed the verbiage, simply substituting names.

A poster in a left-ish (predominatly) BookFace group I mostly lurk in posted this today:

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'm not entirely sure we're "out of the woods" yet in terms of violence *but let's say we are*:
How do we conduct Reconstruction II? How do we bridge divides? How do we move forward? What should we not repeat from history?

Reconstruction?   As in send in carpetbaggers to run those pesky red zones, to get them in to line?  Little self awareness.

Last quote.   Author Larry Correia (https://monsterhunternation.com), (aka, the International Lord of Hate) today posted the second post in his "election f*ckery goin' on" series.  He ends it this way:

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So I can’t say how this is going to go, but none of the ends from this point will be good. At best this marriage goes back to an abusive relationship with irreconcilable differences, and at worst it ends in a murder suicide.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 09:10:54 PM
Last quote.   Author Larry Correia (https://monsterhunternation.com), (aka, the International Lord of Hate) today posted the second post in his "election f*ckery goin' on" series.  He ends it this way:


My favorite part of that blog post was the math part:

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From physicist and author Travis Shane Taylor – “In a sample space of 1 million marbles, 800,000 blue and 200,000 red the probability of drawing a blue marble is 80% the first time. To draw about 30 blue in a row is 0.124%. To draw 100 in a row is 0.0000000235%. To draw 250 in a row is more zeros to right of decimal point than stars in the universe!!!! To draw 138,000 blue marbles in a row is mathematically impossible within the age of the universe without human intent and interaction. In other words, cheating.”
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: lee n. field on November 09, 2020, 09:51:40 PM
My favorite part of that blog post was the math part:


William Dembski's Universal Probability Bound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_probability_bound)
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Boomhauer on November 10, 2020, 04:52:07 AM
Now the left is calling for lists to be made of Trump supporters, donors, appointees, employees, etc in order to “deal with them once the appropriate legal framework is in place”. They have also started a Google docs spreadsheet to track names. Not to mention the calls to mass murder or send to gulags Trump voters.

The “but we are the good guys” and “we all have to come together!!!” crowd is right on track to check all the boxes of “but it wasn’t real socialism!” socialism.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2020, 12:09:26 PM
Now the left is calling for lists to be made of Trump supporters, donors, appointees, employees, etc in order to “deal with them once the appropriate legal framework is in place”. They have also started a Google docs spreadsheet to track names. Not to mention the calls to mass murder or send to gulags Trump voters.


It's what all the cool Democratic People's Republics do.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: charby on November 10, 2020, 12:29:58 PM
Now the left is calling for lists to be made of Trump supporters, donors, appointees, employees, etc in order to “deal with them once the appropriate legal framework is in place”. They have also started a Google docs spreadsheet to track names. Not to mention the calls to mass murder or send to gulags Trump voters.

The “but we are the good guys” and “we all have to come together!!!” crowd is right on track to check all the boxes of “but it wasn’t real socialism!” socialism.

So who's the fascist now?
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/00001-2-14.jpg

(not embedding due to naughty words)
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 12, 2020, 07:00:04 AM
James is ruthless on Twitter.  I approve!

But, I left Twitter a while ago and missed his posts.  Just found him on Parlor
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2020, 08:29:22 AM
James is ruthless on Twitter.  I approve!

But, I left Twitter a while ago and missed his posts.  Just found him on Parlor

I just saw that Parlor was the #1 download in the Apple store. Mario Bartiromo did a segment with the founder and said that while she is still using Twitter just to post scheduling stuff about her show, she has moved everything else to Parlor and was on air encouraging her followers to move there as well. Apparently Twitter has been censoring everything she reports with "fake news" disclaimers.

If it keeps up, It's gonna look almost like what happened with MySpace.
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 12, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
Related to the above:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maria-bartiromo-amasses-over-700k-followers-on-parler-after-leaving-twitter-over-accusations-of-censorship/ar-BB1aQEfV

Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2020, 08:30:26 AM
I guess it's Parler, not Parlor (My name is KAHmalah!!!).  :laugh:

Interesting that the Newsweek article automatically calls it "conservative". My understanding is that Parler doesn't censor anyone's views. While it may have more conservatives on it, that seems to me to put the label "commie pinko liberal" on Twitter, since they're the ones censoring specific groups and causing them to go elsewhere.

More accurate would have been to state, "Maria Bartiromo left the progressive social media platform, Twitter."
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 13, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
I love listening to Dan Bongino.  Guys got a lot of energy
Title: Re: are we really heading toward civil war or civil unrest?
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2020, 08:43:14 AM
I love listening to Dan Bongino.  Guys got a lot of energy

Well, they do two different things.  I don't follow anyone since I don't do social media, but I watch/listen to Maria for the financial information vs the politics.