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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ron on November 18, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
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Personally, I've always thought all of our presidential elections were dirty.
I was surprised Trump won the first time and that made me not trust him fully even though I voted for him! :lol:
Epstein didn't kill himself and Biden didn't win.
Do you think this election was stolen?
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So Biden had a bigger turnout than Obama, and more blacks voted for him than mom jeans jesus?
Yeah, Epstein totally killed himself. :facepalm:
I smell a rat.
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I think there is widespread fraud. But the fraud is Too Big to Fail, and so it can't be countered. Despite the widespread fraud it would probably have been a moderately close election even with no fraud. Because of the distributed nature of our elections, which the fraud denialists say makes our system stronger, it is in fact very very hard to find and prove election fraud. Add in poor ID requirements and mail in voting, and only people who believe Epstein killed himself could possibly believe there's NOT ubiquitous fraud.
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Fraud is nothing new. The graveyard vote in Chicago put JFK in the White House. Al Franken won a senate seat in Minnesota after numerous precincts turned in vote totals that exceeded the number of ballots cast, and in 59 voting precincts (I think they were called something other than precincts) in Philadelphia, Barack Obama got 19,605 votes. Mitt Romney zero. NOBODY AT ALL voted for Mitt, even by mistake.
Not likely.
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Why the 2020 election is not like 1960 or 1876:
https://theamericansun.com/2020/11/18/american-fraud-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-different-than-1876-and-1960/
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Fraud is nothing new. The graveyard vote in Chicago put JFK in the White House. Al Franken won a senate seat in Minnesota after numerous precincts turned in vote totals that exceeded the number of ballots cast, and in 59 voting precincts (I think they were called something other than precincts) in Philadelphia, Barack Obama got 19,605 votes. Mitt Romney zero. NOBODY AT ALL voted for Mitt, even by mistake.
Not likely.
Growing up in a family with connections to the Chicago Machine and involved in union politics throughout the 60's I've heard some stories. It's pretty much an organized crime syndicate.
My father didn't follow that path, he went into the military, married the daughter of one of the few Republicans in his south side neighborhood and moved to the suburbs. He started a successful business and finally became a Republican because of Carter.
Elections in Chicago have been rigged since before I was born. No reason to believe it is any different in our big cities all across the nation.
My cynicism regarding elections is well founded.
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Growing up in a family with connections to the Chicago Machine and involved in union politics throughout the 60's I've heard some stories. It's pretty much an organized crime syndicate . . .
No arguments there. My parents grew up in the Bridgeport neighborhood of Chicago (just a few blocks away from Hizzoner Da Mayor Richard J. Daley's home) and were well acquainted with the Chicago Machine and the rise of Hizzoner. I grew up a little further out on Chicago's southwest side and saw numerous instances of corrupt machine politics at work myself on everything from street repairs to school procurement.
As a voter but not an election official, I never saw overt intimidation at any polling place - polling places were ALWAYS peaceful, probably because there was ALWAYS a cop on duty there. The fraud took place behind the scenes.
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Why the 2020 election is not like 1960 or 1876:
https://theamericansun.com/2020/11/18/american-fraud-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-different-than-1876-and-1960/
'This country is more pre-civil war than in the past ..... ' Yikes! :O
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Honestly, I don't know.
Were illegitimate votes cast and counted in various localities in the united states? Almost certainly.
Were local officials aware of or complicit in voter fraud in some places? Probably.
Do some states have voting requirements that make fraud easier? Definitely.
Did fraudulent votes change the outcome of the election? Unknown. Show me the evidence.
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Honestly, I don't know.
Were illegitimate votes cast and counted in various localities in the united states? Almost certainly.
Were local officials aware of or complicit in voter fraud in some places? Probably.
Do some states have voting requirements that make fraud easier? Definitely.
Did fraudulent votes change the outcome of the election? Unknown. Show me the evidence.
This.
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Honestly, I don't know.
Were illegitimate votes cast and counted in various localities in the united states? Almost certainly.
Were local officials aware of or complicit in voter fraud in some places? Probably.
Do some states have voting requirements that make fraud easier? Definitely.
Did fraudulent votes change the outcome of the election? Unknown. Show me the evidence.
I endorse this concept with two additions: show me the evidence that withstands legal scrutiny and that both parties are complicit in this.
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I endorse this concept with two additions: show me the evidence that withstands legal scrutiny and that both parties are complicit in this.
Both parties being complicit is probably why it has gone on so long.
No amount of evidence will convince those whose heads are firmly planted in the sand.
Acknowledging that American democratic elections are a farce is a bridge too far, few people are willing to even contemplate the possibility let alone believe it is so.
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Honestly, I don't know.
Were illegitimate votes cast and counted in various localities in the united states? Almost certainly.
Were local officials aware of or complicit in voter fraud in some places? Probably.
Do some states have voting requirements that make fraud easier? Definitely.
Did fraudulent votes change the outcome of the election? Unknown. Show me the evidence.
Election fraud is notoriously hard to prove. Lawyers Lyn Woods and Sydney Powell, two reputable lawyers, claim a pallet-full of evidence but no one knows what it is. Rush Limbaugh commenting on this has said if it is a hoax they've effectively torpedoed their own reputations, but if it's real, it's COSMIC in import.
I don't have any real evidence, but I am convinced this is a fraudulent election. In my heart I truly feel it is being stolen. But I have no hope we will ever know, or that the fraud will be uncovered or proved, let alone corrected.
Even if it is existentially proven honest I have one thing I can always complain about:
STUPID AMERICAN VOTERS.
A sitting president with a prickly personality but a solid record of improving the country over his administration, ousted by a swamp dwelling dementia-beset geezer stuck in his basement, promising to raise our taxes, rejoin failed treaties, spreading taxpayers' $$$$ across the globe and further eroding second amendment rights.
All hail President Ponysoldier Biden!!!!!
:facepalm: Geeesh.
Is there a militia nearby accepting recruits?? ??
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Election fraud is notoriously hard to prove. Lawyers Lyn Woods and Sydney _____?____(can't recall her last name) , two reputable lawyers, claim a pallet-full of evidence but no one knows what it is. Rush Limbaugh commenting on this has said if it is a hoax they've effectively torpedoed their own reputations, but if it's real, it's COSMIC in import.
I don't have any real evidence, but I am convinced this is a fraudulent election. In my heart I truly feel it is being stolen. But I have no hope we will ever know, or that the fraud will be uncovered or proved, let alone corrected.
Even if it is existentially proven honest I have one thing I can always complain about:
STUPID AMERICAN VOTERS.
A sitting president with a prickly personality but a solid record of improving the country over his administration, ousted by a swamp dwelling dementia-beset geezer stuck in his basement, promising to raise our taxes, rejoin failed treaties, spreading taxpayers' $$$$ across the globe and further eroding second amendment rights.
All hail President Ponysoldier Biden!!!!!
:facepalm: Geeesh.
Is there a militia nearby accepting recruits?? ??
Two things:
First, the easiest person to fool is yourself. I do my best not to discern fact from fiction based on how I feel about it, I want information I can evaluate and weigh. I'm aware that the signal to noise ratio here is so poor that we are unlikely actually be able to get this kind of information.
Second, and I say this not as a moderator, but as a forum member: Please stop with your giant text formatting thing. It's very annoying, and does nothing to add to your statement.
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There. I the fat letters to normal size but centered it. Does that meet with your approval? :angel:
I'm painfully aware of how easy it is to fool oneself, based on emotion, trust me. Which is why I wish we did have objective evidence. But as I suggested, such is usually hard to find.
It is bizarre that down ballot Repubs did so well, but Trump lost. Proof of nothing, I know. But .... patterns....patterns.
It stinks.
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There. I the fat letters to normal size but centered it. Does that meet with your approval? :angel:
I'm painfully aware of how easy it is to fool oneself, based on emotion, trust me. Which is why I wish we did have objective evidence. But as I suggested, such is usually hard to find.
It is bizarre that down ballot Repubs did so well, but Trump lost. Proof of nothing, I know. But .... patterns....patterns.
It stinks.
Thank you! =)
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I think it's unquestionable that there was fraud in this election and almost certainly true that there was more than usual. That being said, labeling it a stolen election requires a bit more than that in my mind.
Much of what I've seen so far amounts to suspicions, red flags, and ignoring the simplest explanations. I've seen enough fake news fraud "proof" on partisan blogs & social media that has already been debunked then repackaged and shared again that I'm not wasting my time diving into all of it. Just like CNN, they can make stuff up and get the facts 100% wrong and there's no repercussions so most of that stuff doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I'll pay attention to what happens in court, under oath, because that's where it counts. Last I saw, Biden's leads in the questionable states were
AZ: 10K, GA: 13K, WI: 20K, NV: 34K, PA: 83K, MI: 147K and I haven't seen anything presented under oath that even comes close to invalidating those leads.
On a side note: I would hope that people who are skeptical of our election integrity are going the extra mile to do something about it, either working as a pollworker or an observer. I know the excuses - that all the cheating is happening elsewhere, it's already rigged, or their presence won't make a difference but being there in person has a much better chance of being effective than posting about it on the internet. Ron talks a lot about ignoring the spin or breaking through the narrative to see reality and the best way to do that is in person, with your own eyes and ears.
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"Stolen election" is only my opinion, Dittohead. I know the numbers.
I guess I am in an unusually irritable mood this morning. I think this country has been on a downhill spiral for some time. Trump's presidency gave me some hope for a reversal, which now seems dead as a rock. Maybe I am taking this more to heart than I should .... and having a basically misanthropic attitude toward things surely doesn't help.
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Didn't everyone watch this?
Ole Rudy claims to be able to show hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpkNiDbucA
I'm still not sure how that actually wins the election though.
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Didn't everyone watch this?
Ole Rudy claims to be able to show hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpkNiDbucA
I'm still not sure how that actually wins the election though.
I saw a bit of it. It's an "opening statement," not the case as would be presented in court. A bold assertion. Wow. It IS short on facts (not required in a "opening statement"); we'll have to see if there is anything to it more than sizzling hot air.
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Didn't everyone watch this?
Ole Rudy claims to be able to show hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpkNiDbucA
I'm still not sure how that actually wins the election though.
Information/disinformation warfare is what we are seeing now. It has been being waged for a while but mostly by the left. Trump took to the field of battle back in 2016 and has done reasonably well against any enemy that is legion.
Trump is going to need a fact and truth nuclear bomb to prevail.
The case needs to be obviously true, incontrovertible in facts and overwhelming in evidence.
Nothing else will do.
Nothing else will punch through the media production of smoke, mirrors and fog.
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In case you needed more evidence of media bias:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/19/your-whole-partys-not-recognizing-democracy-wh-press-had-a-self-unaware-meltdown-after-mike-pences-coronavirus-briefing/
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First, the easiest person to fool is yourself. I do my best not to discern fact from fiction based on how I feel about it, I want information I can evaluate and weigh. I'm aware that the signal to noise ratio here is so poor that we are unlikely actually be able to get this kind of information...
From where the average American sits there is plenty of reasons to believe the election was stolen while others see the same events unfold and believe the election was legitimate.
Are you going to believe Joe Biden? The Democrats? The mainstream media?
Are you going to believe Donald Trump? The Republicans? The alternative media sources?
Are you going to believe our self appointed voices of "reason" here?
Are you going to believe our purveyors of outside of the box theories here?
All cases have narratives, a story, made with circumstantial evidence buttressed by facts.
If your operating assumption is our elections have pretty much been legitimate all along you will construct a story based upon that foundation.
If your operating assumption is that elections can be rigged and have been rigged through fraud and other means throughout history then you will construct a story on that foundation.
Complicating matters is it might be easier to survive "believing" the false narrative, the lie, or not rocking the boat, as that way you can blend in with the crowd and not become a target. Live a comfortable life. It might also be easier than the horror of acknowledging just how corrupt and lost of a culture we're living in currently.
While I believe there was manipulation and probably this and many elections were "stolen". That's just based on my interpretation of the circumstantial evidence, obvious fraud and overall distrust of the system, media et al.
I also believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, ie like I said earlier "The case needs to be obviously true, incontrovertible in facts and overwhelming in evidence."
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The reputations of Sidney Powell and Lin Wood are giving these claims a lot of credibility, but they seem to be relying on some less credible sources.
Evidently a researcher, either Mr. Ramsland or someone working for him, was working with a database and confused “MI” for Minnesota with “MI” for Michigan. (The postal code for Minnesota is MN, while Michigan is MI, so one can see how this might happen.) So the affidavit, which addresses “anomalies and red flags” in Michigan, is based largely, and mistakenly, on data from Minnesota.
This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal position to crash and burn. Trump’s lawyers are fighting an uphill battle, to put it mildly, and confusing Michigan with Minnesota will at best make the hill steeper. Credibility once lost is hard to regain. Possibly Trump’s lawyers have already discovered this appalling error, and have undertaken to correct it. But the Ramsland Affidavit was filed in Georgia just yesterday.
:facepalm:
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Funny thing.
Of the three big issues being used to manipulate the future of the country all three have one defining thing in common.
Global climate change, the Covid-19 pandemic and the 2020 election all hinge on whose statistical analysis you believe.
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The reputations of Sidney Powell and Lin Wood are giving these claims a lot of credibility, but they seem to be relying on some less credible sources. :facepalm:
It would appear that Trump's legal team is not doing even basic fact checking of their sources. I wonder if the researcher became so enamored of the data set, so convinced that he had found a smoking gun, that he neglected to go back and check the data from the source forward to ensure it was accurate.
This is an absolutely huge mistake and calls into question the rest of their statistical evidence in my opinion. If they cannot fix this problem quickly and in a believable way, Biden wins, and Trump's legal team should just pack it in and go home.
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"After Dominion Voting Systems backed out of attending a planned fact-finding hearing with the #PAHouse State Government Committee, committee members will now hold a press conference to discuss the election. "
https://twitter.com/PAHouseGOP/status/1329793141252251652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ami4y706qvU
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It would appear that Trump's legal team is not doing even basic fact checking of their sources. I wonder if the researcher became so enamored of the data set, so convinced that he had found a smoking gun, that he neglected to go back and check the data from the source forward to ensure it was accurate.
This is an absolutely huge mistake and calls into question the rest of their statistical evidence in my opinion. If they cannot fix this problem quickly and in a believable way, Biden wins, and Trump's legal team should just pack it in and go home.
Powell claims to have numbers experts that have done the crunching. She offered one to Tucker Carlson, who reportedly refused. She and others seem pretty confident that they have done the fact checking.
I don't know, for my part. I don't think anyone outside the Woods/Powell circle really does know, and they're not obliged to provide anything until the discovery phase of the legal proceding occurs. Some believe they won't provide ANY info before discovery to avoid having witnesses harassed by media myrmidons .... or worse.
I've heard it said that either 1.) This is the biggest crime in American history if the Powell assertions are true, or 2.) The biggest hoax in American history if it's made up of stuff and nonsense amongst whole cloth and unicorn horns.
I dunno for my part. I realize the tabulated numbers we know about say Biden won and not enough "fraud" was commited to overturn that conclusion. But is that really the whole story? What about the Dominion system flipping votes? Can that make a difference? ??? Why are Dominion employees "flying the coop?" --- offices being abandoned? That sure as h3ll looks bad!
And, on top of it all, I've heard it opined that SCOTUS will refuse to hear the case, because they do not wish to be perceived as having anything to do with "installing" the next president - - - a "separation of powers" thing.
So...imagine, SCOTUS refuses the case, all hail President "Ponysoldier" Biden, then a year down the road, the dam breaks, the truth outs, and there is real absolute, irrefutable PROOF that the election was stolen.
Wow. Can we imagine the fun that ensues? [popcorn] [/Twilight zone episode]
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Biden will be good for the DC aristocracy.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/23/washington-post-thinks-twice-about-claiming-the-dc-aristocracy-is-looking-forward-to-schmoozing-again-under-biden/
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The most aggressive call to boycott or cast protest ballots in the two runoff races has, so far, come from a dormant pro-Trump super PAC with ties to Stone that unveiled a new initiative to retaliate against the Republican Party’s supposed turncoats by handing Democrats control of the U.S. Senate.
The group, dubbed the Committee for American Sovereignty, unveiled a new website encouraging Georgia Republicans to write in Trump’s name in both of the upcoming Senate runoff elections, which could determine the party that controls the upper chamber during President-elect Joe Biden’s first two years in office. The PAC argued that doing so will show support for the president in addition to forcing Republicans to address the wild election-fraud conspiracy theories floated by Trump supporters and members of his own legal team.
:facepalm:
Is it circular firing squad time already?
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Once again DittoHead, you are taking a story in the Daily Beast at full face value. They make stuff up out of whole cloth on a regular basis. They are nearly as bad as the New York Times.
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Once again DittoHead, you are taking a story in the Daily Beast at full face value. They make stuff up out of whole cloth on a regular basis. They are nearly as bad as the New York Times.
The website is real as is the PAC behind it although I'm not sure about its history or the Roger Stone involvement. The stuff Lin Wood and Sidney Powell tweeted is real. Ali Alexander is saying that stupid stuff and Don Jr. did feel it was important enough to tell people they should should be ignored, that's not made up. If there's something specific in there you that you know is wrong feel free to point it out but the point is that these morons are doing more harm than good. Thankfully, I don't believe they've gotten much traction but in a close race like these are expected to be even minor players fighting against you can be problematic.
Here's the short and sweet version:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-conspiracy-theory-that-could-hand-joe-biden-the-senate
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:facepalm:
Is it circular firing squad time already?
What's this aready?
The "right" is in perpetual firing squad mode :laugh:
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Never, ever take the MSM and their "journalists" seriously again. Ever.
"Oh good golly, it's like the best season of the West Wing!"
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/24/sens-tom-cotton-marco-rubio-didnt-get-the-memo-about-joe-bidens-cabinet-being-like-superheroes/
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Eleven million new democrats within 100 days of the Biden admin. Staggering numbers. That's like five times the population of my entire state. And people say we don't need an Electoral College.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-hell-push-pathway-to-citizenship-for-over-11-million-undocumented-people-in-first-100-days
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Doesn't look like the President is going to slink away with his tail between his legs.
This man fights.
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What convinces me of widespread conspiratorial organized fraud is how hard the MSM is pushing the "nothing to see here, you're just crazy for not believing, move along, move along" rhetoric, they are soooooo biased they are a propaganda outlet, nothing more... combined with the unabashed social media censorship that has now become the norm, one has to think something big is being hidden. I'm actually scared.
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What convinces me of widespread conspiratorial organized fraud is how hard the MSM is pushing the "nothing to see here, you're just crazy for not believing, move along, move along" rhetoric, they are soooooo biased they are a propaganda outlet, nothing more... combined with the unabashed social media censorship that has now become the norm, one has to think something big is being hidden. I'm actually scared.
The suckage of 2020 cannot be understated.
Saving the republic under the Trump banner seems pretty absurd, but man, he speaks a lot of inconvenient realities and he is bringing it to the opposition.
He has the best enemies, all the bad guys are lined up against him and the squishy quislings are revealing themselves daily.
There really isn't much for us to do though, other than watch.
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https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-alleged-voter-fraud-witness-shush-viral-video-7-million-times-1551990
Another credible witness found by Mr. Giuliani.
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https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-alleged-voter-fraud-witness-shush-viral-video-7-million-times-1551990
Another credible witness found by Mr. Giuliani.
Is your contention that all evidence and witnesses presented are now tainted because questions about one witness can be raised?
You have any (rhetorical) ammo in your magazines for the left or is it only reserved for the right?
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^^^It is more that the logical inference is that this witness is lying through her teeth. Back when I was doing trial work, and someone refused to take the oath before testifying (usually because they were concerned about being prosecuted for perjury), either the judge would not allow the testimony at all or would give an instruction to the jury as to credibility. Mr. Giuliani, as a lawyer, knows this, even though this was not a trial.
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You have any (rhetorical) ammo in your magazines for the left or is it only reserved for the right?
I'm a bit surprised how little ammo has been sent towards the libertarians lately.
In the six states where Trump is reportedly losing by the thinnest margins, the impact of the Libertarian candidate either flipped the election to Biden or very nearly did. Notably, the Green Party candidate was not present on the ballot in any of these states except for Michigan, where he only won 0.2 percent of the vote. As the chart below shows, if the voters who’d opted for Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgenson had chosen Trump instead, Biden would now be losing in Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin, and his lead in Pennsylvania would be just 2,263 votes.
That was even the Democrats best angle against Mitch too (obviously not good enough).
https://www.teammitch.com/report-brad-barron-backed-by-bernie-and-aoc-donors/
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I'm a bit surprised how little ammo has been sent towards the libertarians lately.
I've heard some of this. I don't think Libertarians (or Greens, or whatever other upstart party) owe their vote to one party or another in a close election. While in a lot of ways it is easier for some Libertarians to hold their nose and vote R, it is by no means universal. Plenty are extremely supportive of ideas less popular among Republicans, such as being pro-abortion, pro-open borders, etc.
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I don't think Libertarians (or Greens, or whatever other upstart party) owe their vote to one party or another in a close election.
To be clear, I agree with this. I have no problem "throwing my vote away" (in a swing state no less!) when both of the major party candidates are unacceptable to me.
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I never expect much from libertarians as most are really just leftists.
Many don't realize it of course.
Yet, if you start examining their assumptions, presuppositions and axioms you realize they really are just leftists.
No difference between them other than their personal preferences.
Once you abandon natures God you lose the lifeline to both reality and transcendent truth.
This is just an observation I've made over the years as a once self described "classical liberal".
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Trump isn't the only one challenging election results:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/02/iowa-democrat-who-lost-her-house-race-wants-nancy-pelosi-to-overturn-the-election-result/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/recounts-lawsuits-house-seats-vacant-441668
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Trump supporter's house bombed north of Detroit.
https://disrn.com/news/man-throws-explosives-into-michigan-home-owner-says-it-was-because-he-supports-trump (https://disrn.com/news/man-throws-explosives-into-michigan-home-owner-says-it-was-because-he-supports-trump)
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Rudy is done as Trump's point man in the courts. Not that it mattered, anyway.
https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19 (https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19)
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Rudy is done as Trump's point man in the courts. Not that it mattered, anyway.
https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19 (https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19)
So .... you think it will be a fatal case? ? ? :O [tinfoil]
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Nope, he'll be quarantined, greatly reducing his effectiveness.
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Nope, he'll be quarantined, greatly reducing his effectiveness.
So... Three days until he recovers? Four? "Done." Sure. ;/
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It will take him longer than three days to recover.
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The election is moot ;)
Elections Undecided by Midnight are Void & Preempted by Federal Law – Foster v Love (1997; 9-0 Decision)
https://www.thepostemail.com/2020/11/18/elections-undecided-by-midnight-are-void-9-0-decision/
Posted here for posterity. One never knows what will unfold next in 2020.
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It will take him longer than three days to recover.
Not only that but another lawyer on the team, Jenna Ellis is out with it too. Rudy also caused Arizona & Michigan legislatures to close down after they had hearings with him.
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Not only that but another lawyer on the team, Jenna Ellis is out with it too. Rudy also caused Arizona & Michigan legislatures to close down after they had hearings with him.
Rudy also caused the Titanic to sink and the Hindenburg to burn .... [tinfoil] [popcorn]
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Rudy also caused the Titanic to sink and the Hindenburg to burn .... [tinfoil] [popcorn]
The Titanic did not sink, 6 battleships could never.........whoops, wrong thread
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Why did I know before I cast my vote for living in a banana republic, that would be the first choice of the rest of the peons here? I voted that way because if we are going to be a banana republic, globular wormening will change Michigan from a Tundra to a Caribbean paradise.
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Ah nvm. Someone beat me to the punch in another thread
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Dem state representative from Michigan:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-dem-state-rep-from-michigan-has-a-warning-to-you-trumpers-and-instructions-for-soldiers/
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Dem state representative from Michigan:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-dem-state-rep-from-michigan-has-a-warning-to-you-trumpers-and-instructions-for-soldiers/
Looks like she's getting some much-deserved blowback from that:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/09/unacceptable-and-un-american-michigan-dem-rep-removed-from-committee-assignments-after-video-threat-for-trumpers/
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Looks like she's getting some much-deserved blowback from that:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/09/unacceptable-and-un-american-michigan-dem-rep-removed-from-committee-assignments-after-video-threat-for-trumpers/
Hasn't there been several democrat congress critters and/or senators make similar pronouncements?