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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Angel Eyes on November 25, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-flynn-trump-pardon/2020/11/25/3cd79198-2e65-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html
http://President Trump on Wednesday announced he had pardoned his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, ending a three-year legal saga that saw Flynn seek to withdraw a guilty plea for lying to the FBI and a controversial reversal by the Justice Department on his case.
I can't say this surprises me.
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I'm only sorry Trump waited as long as he did.
Democrats responded to the long-anticipated pardon with outrage. In a lengthy statement, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Flynn had chosen “loyalty to Trump over loyalty to his country” and that Trump’s decision to was intended to insulate himself from criminal investigation. He called that a “corruption of the Framer’s intent” in giving the president broad pardon powers.
“It’s no surprise that Trump would go out just as he came in – crooked to the end,” Schiff said.
House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold R. Nadler (D-NY) called the pardon “undeserved, unprincipled, and one more stain on President Trump’s rapidly diminishing legacy.”
Wow! Where was all that outrage about some of the slimeballs and scumbags that Clinton and Obama pardoned?
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Burning righteous anger right now at what they have done to this man and how they will continue to slander him.
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Typically, outgoing Presidents do a fair number of pardons right before the term ends. It will be interesting to see who else gets pardoned.
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Just like everything else those slimy bastards do...they assuage the guilt of their corruption by lashing out at others. They are lucky both of my grandmothers are not the Sgt at Arms in the House. A goodly number of them would have had their faces slapped and pinched really hard...multiple times.
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He should have been exonerated, but likely where things stand, Trump acted in the most efficient way possible to keep Flynn from getting further railroaded by a Biden DOJ.
I feel bad for the suffering the Flynn family has had to go through. Sounds like he lost a lot of assets paying for lawyers.
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Sounds like he lost a lot of assets paying for lawyers.
The process is the punishment.
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Typically, outgoing Presidents do a fair number of pardons right before the term ends. It will be interesting to see who else gets pardoned.
IMO, he should pardon everyone the left is likely to go after.
I think he should also pardon a bunch of people caught up by the system defending against rioters. Maybe those Proud Boys who were jailed in New York. Maybe also Kyle Rittenhouse and the guy who gave him the rifle.
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IMO, he should pardon everyone the left is likely to go after.
I think he should also pardon a bunch of people caught up by the system defending against rioters. Maybe those Proud Boys who were jailed in New York. Maybe also Kyle Rittenhouse and the guy who gave him the rifle.
I don't think Trump can pardon Rittenhouse because he is being charged by the State of Wisconsin, not the feds. The governor of Wisconsin can pardon him, but Tony Evers is a democrat and a *expletive deleted*bag (I'll just set up the joke but leave it implied) so that's not likely to happen.
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Yeah, POTUS can only pardon federal crimes.
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Has there been an actual deciding case on Federal vs other crimes? I’ve always believed the only Federal crimes argument, but I could see an argument that crimes against the United States would include crimes against any of the states? As far as they have stretched the Commerce Clause I’d say even more so.
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Yeah, POTUS can only pardon federal crimes.
I always thought he could pardon both, but I have heard a number of people say otherwise recently.
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It’s the whole reason the state of ny wants to go after Trump. He can’t pardon himself in that instance.
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Interesting interview with Lt General Flynn.
Lt General McInerney joins in the conversation also.
https://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/wvw-tv-exclusive-lt-general-michael-flynns-first-interview-president-trumps-pardon
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Interesting interview with Lt General Flynn.
Lt General McInerney joins in the conversation also.
https://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/wvw-tv-exclusive-lt-general-michael-flynns-first-interview-president-trumps-pardon
The link won't open for me. What did he say?
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/29/michael_flynns_first_interview_since_pardon_no_doubt_in_my_mind_trump_won_in_a_landslide.html
Lt General Thomas McInerney and Lt General Michael Flynn gave interviews to WVW Broadcasting Network today. It was Flynn’s first interview since his pardon.
In stunning testimony, McInerney stated his sources have told him U.S. Army Special Forces, possibly the famed Delta Force, raided the CIA-run server farm in Frankfurt, Germany.
5 soldiers were killed in the ensuing firefight, as well as one CIA paramilitary; the CIA personnel were allegedly flown in from Afghanistan for security, according to related news reports.
Michael Flynn's First Interview Since Pardon: "No Doubt In My Mind" Trump Won In A Landslide
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date November 29, 2020
"There is no doubt in my mind that he won this election. Hands down. In a landslide, probably somewhere between 350-400 electoral college votes," Flynn said. "Over the last two decades, and probably longer, we have seen a complete shift in how fast communist China, in their long term plan, decided to move up their plans to become the sole global superpower on the planet."
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Can we get something firmer on the CIA server farm story???
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Can we get something firmer on the CIA server farm story???
Talk about a season ending cliffhanger!
There are so many unresolved plot lines I'm not sure how it all gets wrapped up in the next month or so... [popcorn]
The list of otherwise solid and respectful folks in positions to know things who are now embracing what the media considers conspiracy theories is growing pretty large.
The question is who do you believe? Not CNN, CBS ,NBC ,ABC or FOX obviously, heh heh.
The Republicans? They are fragmented, many are aligned with the Democrats.
Who if anyone is telling the truth?
Who if anyone are the good guys?
Who if anyone has your best interests in mind?
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Can we get something firmer on the CIA server farm story???
That whole story reeks of tin foil nuttery. Every time the story is passed on by another conservative news site, it takes on new dimensions. Last I heard there were 40 V-22 Osprey aircraft involved in the raid. How can anyone take stuff like that seriously? If Sidney Powell is relying on this as a major part of her evidence, she's already sunk and her reputation is ruined.
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Maybe they need 40 V-22 Osprey because 38 of them are down for repairs ..... [tinfoil]
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That whole story reeks of tin foil nuttery. Every time the story is passed on by another conservative news site, it takes on new dimensions. Last I heard there were 40 V-22 Osprey aircraft involved in the raid. How can anyone take stuff like that seriously? If Sidney Powell is relying on this as a major part of her evidence, she's already sunk and her reputation is ruined.
Lt General Flynn is the one in the video that is quoted.
I ignored the story until he indicated there's something to it other than tin foil.
That was surprising to see.
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Maybe they need 40 V-22 Osprey because 38 of them are down for repairs ..... [tinfoil]
Good point.
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I assume the CIA server thing is part of the Dominion conspiracy. I apologize for not keeping up, but what's the explanation for the hand recount/audit in GA not showing a major discrepancy against the machine count? If Dominion was switching votes in the software wouldn't that show up when counting the paper ballots?
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I assume the CIA server thing is part of the Dominion conspiracy. I apologize for not keeping up, but what's the explanation for the hand recount/audit in GA not showing a major discrepancy against the machine count? If Dominion was switching votes in the software wouldn't that show up when counting the paper ballots?
I thought there were allegations that in some states Dominion was switching votes and in other states large quantities of suspicious physical ballots nearly all for Biden were being dropped and ballots received after the cutoff were being accepted. I don't know what the allegation was in GA, but if the latter then the ballots stripped of their enclosing envelope would be counted whether the actual ballot was legit or not.
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And yet AG Bill Barr came out just today with his opinion that there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would change the election results.
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From what I heard the problem in GA is that they are recounting all the ballots without making sure they are valid.
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From what I heard the problem in GA is that they are recounting all the ballots without making sure they are valid.
At this point there is no way to validate them.
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Trump is asking for signature matchs on absentee ballots. They could also make sure the people live in the state and were alive when they voted.
They are both old white narcissistic democrats so I don't worry too much about the outcome. But there are some serious questions about this election that need to be answered.
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And yet AG Bill Barr came out just today with his opinion that there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would change the election results.
To quote Larry Correia from Book of Faces: Meanwhile, Bob Barr pronounces there's no evidence of fraud, which is kinda funny considering you can't find what you refuse to look for...
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And yet AG Bill Barr came out just today with his opinion that there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would change the election results.
This despite hundreds of people involved in the elections across the country signing sworn affidavits about the fraudulent activities they witnessed.
Yep, I absolutely believe Bill Barr. Look at the good work he and his team did investigating documented Clinton and Democrat corruption in the 2016 election.
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This despite hundreds of people involved in the elections across the country signing sworn affidavits about the fraudulent activities they witnessed.
Speaking of which ...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblowers-postal-service-threw-out-backdated-ballots-election-trump
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And yet AG Bill Barr came out just today with his opinion that there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would change the election results.
It should be noted how odd it really is that a CIA spook, deep state Bushy inside player like Barr ended up in such a prominent position in the "populist" Presidency of Trump.
My point is not to insinuate anything particular.
We just sort of absorbed, assimilated and accepted Trumps weird swamp creature picks and ignored the cognitive dissonance of such picks.
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And yet AG Bill Barr came out just today with his opinion that there was no evidence of widespread fraud that would change the election results.
A remark the lame-stream press took out of context. :facepalm: And is STILL doing despite knowing better.
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What's the rumble on Trump preemptively pardoning his family members? What are they supposed to have done (or not done) that's criminal under federal law?
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What's the rumble on Trump preemptively pardoning his family members? What are they supposed to have done (or not done) that's criminal under federal law?
Since when has the left needed actual crimes to persecute prosecute someone on the right?
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What's the rumble on Trump preemptively pardoning his family members? What are they supposed to have done (or not done) that's criminal under federal law?
Lets say they did absolutely nothing. Normally I would be against this type of "blanket immunity for past, present, and future", but after the criminal activity I've seen done in the last four years, and not by anyone on team Trump, I 100% support him doing such a thing to protect innocent people from the whacko left and their vendettas.
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Lets say they did absolutely nothing. Normally I would be against this type of "blanket immunity for past, present, and future", but after the criminal activity I've seen done in the last four years, and not by anyone on team Trump, I 100% support him doing such a thing to protect innocent people from the whacko left and their vendettas.
True. Sometime around 30 December or 2 January Trump should resign, Pence gets sworn in, and promptly pardons Trump.
The histrionics of the left would be spectacular.
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Why would Trump resign? He can pardon himself if he feels it necessary.
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Why would Trump resign? He can pardon himself if he feels it necessary.
He can? How is that possible?
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Where does it say he can’t? Pardon power is essentially unlimited, at least for federal crimes.
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From what I've read, Constitutional scholars are divided on the subject.
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When Nixon resigned, didn't Ford immediately pardon him?
It seems to me that could be regarded as a precedent.
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When Nixon resigned, didn't Ford immediately pardon him?
It seems to me that could be regarded as a precedent.
Yes, he did. But given that Nixon had actually done naughty things, I don't think it was a really good idea ...... :old:
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Yes, he did. But given that Nixon had actually done naughty things, I don't think it was a really good idea ...... :old:
I agree. But ... the point is that Nixon didn't pardon himself. Ford pardoned him and, IIRC, the rationale was that the country had gone though enough and it was time to let the dust settle.
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From I remember reading Nixon’s resignation was partly predicated on Ford giving him a preemptive pardon (since criminal charges had not been filed by then).