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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on December 18, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
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Why would a hospital make and promulgate a video of an employee getting a COVID-19 vaccination -- that is obviously faked?
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1984002/hospital-accused-faking-nurse-coronavirus-vaccine-injection-tv/
Watch the video. The plunger on the syringe is already down, and doesn't move, so nothing was injected. And the hospital later confirmed that the emplyee was later vaccinated "a second" (meaning for the first) time.
I know we are living in clown world, but ... really?
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IMO, either they are stupid or they are intentionally fueling conspiracy speculation. I vote for stupid myself (safe choice), but both might be a likely option.
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Maybe they were just "acting" for the camera and this was the fourth or fifth "take."
No big deal. Bronson can hit an evil doer at 100 yards in a dark underground parking lot with a .32 ACP and knock 'im down dead right there and did it in only three "takes" =D
Could also be "they" (the station) had earsplitting screeches from Karens because they showed a real injection on TV, where little kids could see it EEK! and be harmed forever in their little brains AAAK! and why deal with such schnooks more than necessary, so lay off the reality and don't forget steaks are manufactured in the meat department of supermarkets. (So are hamburgers and hot dogs.)
Once again, no big deal. We should be more concerned with the possibility of Harris being POTUS if anything happens to Uncle Joe.
Terry, 230RN
REF (Josef Vissaranovich Djugashvili also used to be called "Uncle Joe"):
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol47no1/article02.html
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230RN per usual nailed it. It's video production. The camera crew probably took a few videos of it with different angles and lighting, and the editing folks put the best of it with the scripted content for publishing.
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^ Thank you. I applaud you with my clapperboard...
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Terry
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I have no surprise. I would expect as much. Here's some more shockers... sometimes when you see coffee cups in TV shows and online videos... there's actually not coffee in them. This was confirmed by my contacts with direct experience. They even pretend to drink them! Now ask yourself, why would they try to deceive us like that?
Not only would I expect a video crew to fake the injection, I would be surprised if the people are actually nurses or doctors. I know it may be shocking, but sometimes the firefighters and doctors and superheroes and step sisters and such in that you see in videos are just pretending! They're just actors!!!!!
Seriously though I used to know a pro photographer who had lots of cool stories about shooting car commercials where the car was actually a cardboard cutout, or things like that. According to him, the pancake syrup that you see in commercials or even on pancake syrup labels is always motor oil. Real syrup runs off and soaks in too fast. So if you did actually shoot a photo using real pancake syrup, client would probably think it looked fake.
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Why would a hospital make and promulgate a video of an employee getting a COVID-19 vaccination -- that is obviously faked?
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1984002/hospital-accused-faking-nurse-coronavirus-vaccine-injection-tv/
Watch the video. The plunger on the syringe is already down, and doesn't move, so nothing was injected. And the hospital later confirmed that the emplyee was later vaccinated "a second" (meaning for the first) time.
I know we are living in clown world, but ... really?
So it was like sex in an R movie
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So, this isn't real?
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They're not even trying at this point, and people line up to make excuses for it.
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#BREAKING 15 minutes after a nurse was given the COVID-19 vaccine, she fainted while mid-interview with us. @CHI_Memorial Doctors on scene tell us this is common after being given a vaccination and that they don’t believe it’s related to the vaccine.
— Stephanie LaChance (@StephLaChanceTV) December 17, 2020
Fainting can be triggered by many types of medical procedures. In fact, CDC has received reports of people fainting after nearly all vaccines. Fainting after getting a vaccine is most commonly reported after three vaccines given to adolescents: HPV, MCV4, and Tdap. Because the ingredients of these three vaccines are different, yet fainting is seen with all of them, scientists think that fainting is due to the vaccination process and not to the vaccines themselves. However, there is not yet a definite answer about whether an ingredient of the vaccines is responsible for the fainting or if adolescents are simply more likely than children or adults to experience fainting.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/18/pro-tip-hospitals-should-not-put-nurses-with-a-history-of-fainting-live-on-camera-to-showcase-the-safety-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
It's so common I've never heard of it
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/18/pro-tip-hospitals-should-not-put-nurses-with-a-history-of-fainting-live-on-camera-to-showcase-the-safety-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
It's so common I've never heard of it
I've never heard of it, either. Whenever I've been vaccinated (flu shot, Shingrix, whatever) they've just had me role up my sleeve or open up my shirt, they stick me, maybe put a bandaid over the injection site, and send me on my way. Never a fifteen minute observation period, which one would think mandatory if fainting is "a thing."
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I've never heard of it, either. Whenever I've been vaccinated (flu shot, Shingrix, whatever) they've just had me role up my sleeve or open up my shirt, they stick me, maybe put a bandaid over the injection site, and send me on my way. Never a fifteen minute observation period, which one would think mandatory if fainting is "a thing."
Because...It's bullshit?
Yet another thing that makes no sense as to why they'd even allow the clip.
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I have no surprise. I would expect as much. Here's some more shockers... sometimes when you see coffee cups in TV shows and online videos... there's actually not coffee in them. This was confirmed by my contacts with direct experience. They even pretend to drink them! Now ask yourself, why would they try to deceive us like that?
Not only would I expect a video crew to fake the injection, I would be surprised if the people are actually nurses or doctors. I know it may be shocking, but sometimes the firefighters and doctors and superheroes and step sisters and such in that you see in videos are just pretending! They're just actors!!!!!
Seriously though I used to know a pro photographer who had lots of cool stories about shooting car commercials where the car was actually a cardboard cutout, or things like that. According to him, the pancake syrup that you see in commercials or even on pancake syrup labels is always motor oil. Real syrup runs off and soaks in too fast. So if you did actually shoot a photo using real pancake syrup, client would probably think it looked fake.
So, crisis actors? =D
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This wasn’t the only nurse to get a shot in the video, and the other nurses actually had something in their syringes, and it wasn’t something they were redoing for the camera.
If that makes this more interesting.
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#BREAKING 15 minutes after a nurse was given the COVID-19 vaccine, she fainted while mid-interview with us. @CHI_Memorial Doctors on scene tell us this is common after being given a vaccination and that they don’t believe it’s related to the vaccine.
— Stephanie LaChance (@StephLaChanceTV) December 17, 2020
Fainting can be triggered by many types of medical procedures. In fact, CDC has received reports of people fainting after nearly all vaccines. Fainting after getting a vaccine is most commonly reported after three vaccines given to adolescents: HPV, MCV4, and Tdap. Because the ingredients of these three vaccines are different, yet fainting is seen with all of them, scientists think that fainting is due to the vaccination process and not to the vaccines themselves. However, there is not yet a definite answer about whether an ingredient of the vaccines is responsible for the fainting or if adolescents are simply more likely than children or adults to experience fainting.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/18/pro-tip-hospitals-should-not-put-nurses-with-a-history-of-fainting-live-on-camera-to-showcase-the-safety-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
It's so common I've never heard of it
I've never heard of it, either. Whenever I've been vaccinated (flu shot, Shingrix, whatever) they've just had me role up my sleeve or open up my shirt, they stick me, maybe put a bandaid over the injection site, and send me on my way. Never a fifteen minute observation period, which one would think mandatory if fainting is "a thing."
Because...It's bullshit?
You've never heard of it? It's literally one of the questions you answer for every vaccine. "Do you have a history of fainting or dizziness after shots?". It's a very common reaction to shots (and blood draws). It feels like every time the Army gets a couple hundred soldiers in for a mass medical readiness event at least one person passes out in the shot line. While I personally don't have the issue in my 20 some-od years of doing annual large group vaccination events, I've personally seen 7 or 8 people drop from getting a shot. That's not me being a medical provider, just they were close enough to me in line I could see it.
It's pretty common.
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For the COVID immunes, we are asking the employees to stay around for 15 minutes afterward for observation to ensure no one has an anaphylactic reaction or the like. I am signed up as an observer for our vaccination mass events to do exactly this.
PS: this is why we are having an observation period: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/health/alaska-third-allergic-reaction-vaccine/index.html
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Not only would I expect a video crew to fake the injection, I would be surprised if the people are actually nurses or doctors. I know it may be shocking, but sometimes the firefighters and doctors and superheroes and step sisters and such that you see in videos are just pretending! They're just actors!!!!!
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I see what you did there. =D
Terry, 230RN
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You've never heard of it? It's literally one of the questions you answer for every vaccine. "Do you have a history of fainting or dizziness after shots?".
Between the Army, civilian shots by private doctors, and multiple shots at the VA hospital, I can state with abslote certainty that in the course of 76 years on this planet nobody has asked me that -- not even once.
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When i was in my late teens I took a friend of mine to his doctor appointment and was sitting in the waiting room when he came out.
He sat down beside me said started to talk to me and passed out. I'm like wtf and call for the nurse. When he came to a few minutes later he said he thought he had me that he always passes out after getting a shot.
Th kicker to this story is later in life he got diabetes and had to poke himself everyday.
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I have been asked about fainting or fear perhaps 20% of the time prior to having vaccinations or blood drawn.
That would be higher if I counted the times I've been asked if I'm afraid when I look away before the needle goes in. Rather, I look away because the same as with my eyes, when I see something my brain processes as sharp or dangerous, if I see it coming, I involuntarily flinch away. My eye doctor probably goes through a gallon of dilation drops every time she sees me from my head turning at the last second. :laugh:
Too often, because most of the vampires are women, when they ask, I then have to prove my manhood by watching the needle go in, then staring at the blood tube as it fills. I guess it's good practice, but I look at the flinch reaction as an evolutionary plus.
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Between the Army, civilian shots by private doctors, and multiple shots at the VA hospital, I can state with abslote certainty that in the course of 76 years on this planet nobody has asked me that -- not even once.
I can state with absolute certainty you have.
Here are the questions that are on EVERY Flu Vaccine questionnaire in the country, as recommended by CDC:
1. Is the person to be vaccinated sick today?
2. Does the person to be vaccinated have an allergy to a component of the vaccine?
3. Has the person to be vaccinated ever had a serious reaction or adverse event to influenza vaccine in the past?
4. Has the person to be vaccinated ever had Guillain-Barré syndrome?
bolding mine. What is an adverse event to the Flu vaccine you might ask? Well it's listed on the little fact sheet they give you, but let me just link the CDC page on that.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/vaccine_safety.htm
Adverse Events
Pain and other injection site reactionsexternal icon are frequently reported after IIV vaccination in both children and adults. In IIV clinical trialsexternal icon, up to 65% of people vaccinated with IIV experience pain at the injection site during the first week after vaccination which usually did not interfere with activity.
Fever, malaise, myalgia, and other systemic symptoms can occur after vaccination with IIV, most often affecting individuals who have had no previous exposure to the influenza virus antigens in the vaccine (e.g., young children). In adults, the rate of having these symptoms is similar after IIV and after a placebo injection.
Vaccine components can on rare occasions cause allergic reactions (immediate hypersensitivity). Manifestations of immediate hypersensitivity range from mild urticaria (hives) and angioedema (swelling beneath the skin) to anaphylaxis.
In some seasons, IIV has been associated with febrile seizures in young children, particularly when given together with 13-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV13) and diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (DTaP) vaccines. Flu vaccine composition often changes year-to-year, and CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor the safety of influenza vaccines each season.
Guillain–Barré Syndrome (GBS) following IIV occurs rarely. The cause of GBS, a serious neurological condition that can cause paralysis, is unknown, however, gastrointestinal and upper respiratory infections are known risk factors.
Safety monitoring of seasonal IIV over the course of many years has not detected a clear link to GBS. However, if there is a risk of GBS from IIV, it would be no more than 1 or 2 cases per million people vaccinated.
Each year, about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination —1 to 2 people per 100,000.
Even though GBS following influenza illness is rare, studiesexternal icon suggest that the risk of developing GBS after having influenza is higher than the potential risk of developing GBS after vaccination.
IIV, like other injections, can also cause syncope (fainting).
It's on pretty much every other vaccine health/data sheet. You should really read the data sheet before you let people inject random *expletive deleted*it into your arms.
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I can state with absolute certainty you have.
Here are the questions that are on EVERY Flu Vaccine questionnaire in the country, as recommended by CDC:
1. Is the person to be vaccinated sick today?
2. Does the person to be vaccinated have an allergy to a component of the vaccine?
3. Has the person to be vaccinated ever had a serious reaction or adverse event to influenza vaccine in the past?
4. Has the person to be vaccinated ever had Guillain-Barré syndrome?
Regardless of how certain you may think you are, I was there and you were not. I will state with complete certainty that at no time have I EVER been asked all four of those questions, and I'm about 98.73 percent certain that I've never been asked any of them. Definitely not at the VA. They might have asked about reactions to prior flu shots when my late wife and I went to a flu shot clinic at a local community center. I don't think they did, but it's possible. All four of those questions? Definitely not.
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You are incorrect.
You check a no box for each of those and sign a form prior to getting a flu shot. At Walgreens, at CVS, at the VA, at a hospital. It's a standard vaccine form and the Millcreek's of the nation make sure it's signed.
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FWIW I vaguely remember being asked if I am fainty. I never read what I sign, so it could be in there every time.
Also a guy I know who worked in the military doing shots all day said fainting was like a daily thing, even the special forces weren't immune.
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I’ve heard of the possibility of fainting upon injections long before the Kung Flu vaccines.
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You are incorrect.
You check a no box for each of those and sign a form prior to getting a flu shot. At Walgreens, at CVS, at the VA, at a hospital. It's a standard vaccine form and the Millcreek's of the nation make sure it's signed.
So you're calling me a liar?
I get the flu shots at the VA hospital. I don't sign anything. I walk in, give them my ID number and tell them I'm there for a flu shot, a nurse comes out from the sanctum sanctorum with a needle and sticks me, and I go home.
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So you're calling me a liar?
I get the flu shots at the VA hospital. I don't sign anything. I walk in, give them my ID number and tell them I'm there for a flu shot, a nurse comes out from the sanctum sanctorum with a needle and sticks me, and I go home.
No, I'm calling you forgetful and dismissive of the risks associated with vaccines so you didn't read the forms you were given.
The VA keeps screening forms online, and ask you "has anything changed" before you get injected. You would have filled them out when you signed up, or (probably) at regular intervals since.
Alternatively you could be the one person in America that has managed to get health care for 76 years at several providers without once filling out the bog standard, industry wide intake forms.
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^,^ They've probably got all that information on you "looked up" before you sat down.
Anyhow, late 1940s my Mommy brought me to a clinic in Grand Central Station for a mandatory series of vaccinations including smallpox. The line was long and kids were crying all along the line and of course I was too.
When it came time to get the shot(s) she said to stop crying and wait to see how bad it hurt, then I could cry. She described it as somethng miinor, perhaps like a bug bite, and while the medical person wanted me to look away, my Mommy said I could watch if I wanted to. I guess I learned the difference between pain and Pain because it wasn't all that bad. I remember the medico saying what a brave boy I was and complimenting my mother on handling it. (She had been a professional nanny for a large family in the 30s, so had lots of practice with handling kids before I came along.)
To this day I watch while they're drawing blood or injecting me and I still recalll that event. And in general, I'm more of a coward about a lot of things.
Anyhow I still have faint traces of the "smallpox vaccination scar" on my left shoulder.
And I will say this: You can thank me and my shoulder scar and the millions of other people subjected tp the mandatory vaccinations of those days that you, personally, are in little danger of getting that disease.
And if you are all shoulder-chippy and adamant about mandatory vaccinations and personal freedoms in this regard, you're a blind idiot and that's all there is to it.
Same story with the polio vaccine.
There. I said it and I ain't takin' it back and you can thank me and my little scar on the way out my door and take your "Yeah, buts" with you.
Terry, "no chip, but a scar on my shoulder," 230RN
ETA In case you're not familiar with them. Recent, not mine, typical:
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I got my flu shot Friday at the VA, I was NOT asked all those questions. I've also been going there 10+ years. They kinda know me by name and how I react.
Let's put it this way, my blood test popped positive for barbiturates this time. The doc passed of as a false positive and blew right past it. I was shocked as hell that it flagged me for it even though I knew that several drugs I take can do that. He said he knew me well enough to know that there had to be a reason other than abuse for it to come up.
Some of the meds I take/foods I eat that pop false positives:
Bupropion (Wellbutrin, Zyban) - false positive for Amphetamines, MDMA, amphetamine, LSD
Fluoxetine (Prozac) - false positives for amphetamines and LSD
Hydrocodone - false positive for oxycodone may test positive for opiates
Poppy Seeds contain morphine - positive for Heroin (MDMA), Opiates
Pantoprazole - PPIs may test positive for THC
Ranitidine (Zantac®) - may show false positive for Amphetamines, methamphetamine
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Oh well I just never heard of it and I've never had a flu shot.
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There. I said it and I ain't takin' it back and you can thank me and my little scar on the way out my door and take your "Yeah, buts" with you.
Terry, "no chip, but a scar on my shoulder," 230RN
Good for you! You skillfully managed to be born right around the time vaccine science was coming into it's own. ;/
IIRC, the smallpox vaccine you're so proud of took right around 150 years to get right. Polio was 20 + years.
So no, I don't think I'll run right out and get this new one they managed to cook up in the last 8 months.
Andiron " Just got over the kung flu and would absolutely not get a vaccine to avoid it"
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I can tell that the person who made that post has clearly not given an injection in the last several years, if ever, with the advent of the safety features to cap the needle after injection. We have pallet loads of the exact same type of syringe that we are using for our COVID immunes. The attached orange safety cap folds to the side as the injection is given and flips back over the needle as it is withdrawn. Sometimes you have to nudge the cap with your finger to get it to fold over.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/19/fact-check-photos-show-nancy-pelosi-receiving-covid-19-vaccine/3973360001/
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I can tell that the person who made that post has clearly not given an injection in the last several years, if ever, with the advent of the safety features to cap the needle after injection. We have pallet loads of the exact same type of syringe that we are using for our COVID immunes. The attached orange safety cap folds to the side as the injection is given and flips back over the needle as it is withdrawn. Sometimes you have to nudge the cap with your finger to get it to fold over.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/19/fact-check-photos-show-nancy-pelosi-receiving-covid-19-vaccine/3973360001/
Got it.
Myself I've not had any injections in quite awhile. Actually don't recall any after my injury, my mind on something else at the time if they did
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Mark me down as a person who gets light-headed after giving blood. Even just one vial. Getting shots doesn't affect me though.
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I had one of those "safety" shots at CVS when I got a flu shot there.
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Unless it's a condition of keeping my job, think I'll pass on the vaccination. Every year for the last 5 yrs I've gotten the flu shot, and gotten sick as a dog every time.
Ain't gettin' the flu shot this year. I'll take my chances with masks & hand sanitizer.
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Good for you! You skillfully managed to be born right around the time vaccine science was coming into its own. ;/
IIRC, the smallpox vaccine you're so proud of took right around 150 years to get right. Polio was 20 + years.
So no, I don't think I'll run right out and get this new one they managed to cook up in the last 8 months.
Ah, a yeahbut.
That's all nothing but a thin excuse not to get the vaccine, in my opinion, considering today's advanced technology. It's not like we'e running a threaded needle through a victim's pus, then running it through your own skin.
You, sir, are a leak in the dam preventing a flood of Covid-19 victims, which is contrary to my otherwise high opinion of you.
Andiron " Just got over the kung flu and would absolutely not get a vaccine to avoid it"
Good for you. Yeahbut I'm 81, and I think I'd trust the 95% effectiveness they claim. So different perspectives.
Terry
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Mark me down as a person who gets light-headed after giving blood. Even just one vial. Getting shots doesn't affect me though.
I'm fine if I don't watch.
If I watch I might get a little woozy.
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I just don't like watching the needle go in. After that, no big deal. Never had a physical reaction, I just don't like it. =)
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If you had a choice ... would you rather get the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine?
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If you had a choice ... would you rather get the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine?
By the time my healthcare system gets to me, there is a good chance I will get the Moderna. The first shipment is expected to arrive on Friday, I think. I am told there is no practical difference between the two in terms of effectiveness and side effects.
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Kamala says that Biden getting the vaccine is "what leadership looks like." I notice he waited until after Pence got his. So I guess it IS a sort of leadership, like the King making the food taster go first.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/12/21/formerly-skeptical-kamala-harris-says-pic-of-joe-biden-getting-covid-vaccine-is-what-leadership-looks-like/
These people are gonna take all the credit for the vaccine that Trump pushed through in an unheard of timeframe.
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I'm kinda enjoying this ongoing catfight in the squad over who should and shouldn't be vaccinated. :laugh:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/22/rep-ayanna-pressley-takes-the-covid-19-vaccine-despite-the-medical-community-exacting-ostensibly-medical-apartheid-on-black-americans/
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What about this fainting business when they're doing drive-thru vaccinations?
First COVID-19 vaccine doses given at Louisville’s drive-thru vaccination site
https://www.wave3.com/2021/01/04/first-covid-vaccine-doses-given-louisvilles-drive-thru-vaccination-site/
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I think all the footage we see, be it hospital chaos, vaccinations, gurneys packed with hosed up half-dead bodies clogging hospital hallways, is all Hollywood production. Every once in a while they put on a musical number by "alleged" staff, dancing and lip-syncing. Sometimes it's a non-paidspokesman disguised as a medical professional uttering lofty platitudes. Wag the dog.
WHY you ask? Bill Clinton said it best, "Perception is reality". Make the rubes believe anything. =D
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I generally avoid the flu shot. My wife gets it almost every year, and is usually sicker from the shot than I get from anything all year.
I’ll be avoiding the covid shot until I have to get it either to keep my job, keep my neurologist, or something else that compels it. 1) I’m fairly low risk of complications from covid far as I’m aware, 2) there are other who need it more, 3) I don’t want to be a guinea pig, 4) I hate needles (never fainted, but had more than one nurse worried about it).
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I take all the flu shots, shingles shots, and will take the Chinese "Flu" shot when it is offered. The absolute worse any have given me, going back to the ones I was hit with when I enlisted, was a SLIGHT case of the sniffles. Bring it on! :old: