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Title: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2021, 10:41:56 AM
Still an active story so details may change

Two FBI agents killed while serving warrant in Sunrise
https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/

Breaking: Two FBI Agents Killed, Several others injured during early morning raid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8nOxp-LvYMhttps://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/

Cue the dems lining up to use this for gun control
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: fifth_column on February 02, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
The two dead agents were already in flag-draped caskets while the incident was still on-going?  That seems unusual to me.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on February 02, 2021, 10:53:54 AM
Feds don't have a very good track record for gunfights in Florida.

I wonder if this one featured the same scope of incompetence as is described in Unintended Consequences and the 1986 FBI gunfight.

Lot of pageantry for transport to the ME's office.  Smells like "making hay while the sun shines" with the corpses.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 02, 2021, 10:55:16 AM
They don't give much information.  I appears that shooting started while they were still outside.  I am curious about how it happened. 
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on February 02, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Countdown to Feds getting a new custom caliber made for them, that they don't have the institutional rigor to learn to shoot properly, in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: fifth_column on February 02, 2021, 11:29:21 AM

Lot of pageantry for transport to the ME's office.  Smells like "making hay while the sun shines" with the corpses.

It seemed pretty informal.  The news announcer stated this was while taking the body to the medical examiner's office.  I think the announcer mistakenly stated the body was in a casket, it was probably just in a bag on the gurney, or perhaps just in sheets, it's hard to tell from the video.  It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Numbers updated

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A total of five agents were shot. Two were killed and two others were taken to the hospital and are in stable condition. The FBI did not speak on the condition of the third injured agent.

Authorities also say the subject is dead.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-3-injured-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: brimic on February 02, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Probably the ‘good’ FBI agents.
Probably the ‘bad’ FBI agents tipped off the kiddie diddlers.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: RocketMan on February 02, 2021, 12:40:28 PM
The two dead agents were already in flag-draped caskets while the incident was still on-going?  That seems unusual to me.

Can't rely on reporters to get basic facts straight in their reporting.  This is especially true if they are trying to push a specific agenda.  Looks like a flag draped gurney to me.  It's interesting that they had a flag at the ready, however.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: HankB on February 02, 2021, 01:18:07 PM
Wonder if it was a "no-knock" warrant . . . and whether or not they even had the warrant with them.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Fly320s on February 02, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: dogmush on February 02, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.

Just spitballing while we wait for facts:

Kiddie porn consumers seem like cry and hide folks for the most part.

The folks tasked with procuring the kiddies for the porn probably have more capacity for violence.  The local news here in Tampa was calling this a child trafficking warrant.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: MillCreek on February 02, 2021, 02:19:23 PM
It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.

We do not have caskets in the hospital.  We do have body bags and have some spare flags for the flagpole.  I have been part of events in which a first responder dies in the ED and is then transported to the medical examiner's office.  The body goes in a bag, the bag goes on a gurney, and we will drape the gurney with a flag as it is wheeled through the corridors to the vehicle transporting to the ME's office.  It is a pretty somber occasion, and the hospital staff will often stand at attention, salute, or put their hands over their hearts as the gurney rolls past.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: K Frame on February 02, 2021, 04:06:13 PM
Kiddie porn weirdos don't seem like the violent type to me.  They seem more like the type to hide and cry than start a gunfight.

Consumers, maybe not.

The manufacturers, who often are in leagues with organized crime and human trafficking rings, have the potential for great violence.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: charby on February 02, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
Child porn/child exploitation can carry lengthy mandatory sentences, especially for people all ready on the sex offender registry. I wonder if the guilty said *expletive deleted*ck it since they were going to be in prison for the rest of their life and decided to take a few with them?
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2021, 04:46:26 PM
Tin Foil Hatters in the  TTAG comment section pushing that this was a gun confiscation gone bad with the kiddie porn stuff as cover.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 02, 2021, 04:48:09 PM
Tin Foil Hatters on TTAG pushing that this was a gun confiscation gone bad with the kiddie porn stuff as cover.  [tinfoil]

No evidence yet.  But no doubt at all this gets used for politics.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 02, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
Child porn/child exploitation can carry lengthy mandatory sentences, especially for people all ready on the sex offender registry. I wonder if the guilty said *expletive deleted*ck it since they were going to be in prison for the rest of their life and decided to take a few with them?

It's my understanding that child molesters are at the bottom of the pecking order inside prison, and are treated harshly by their fellow inmates.  So there's another potential reason to go out shooting rather than be arrested.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: MillCreek on February 02, 2021, 06:48:35 PM
^^^If I was in that situation, I would just shoot myself rather than killing agents just doing their job.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: HankB on February 02, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
^^^If I was in that situation, I would just shoot myself rather than killing agents just doing their job.
Having ethics like that argues against you being a perv in a situation like that in the first place. ;)
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: T.O.M. on February 02, 2021, 08:01:51 PM
With my new job in the big city, I have seen an exponential increase in the number of trafficking cases coming into court.  And yes, those who deal in children, especially teens, are violent POSs who are often fairly well armed.  Surprising to me is that in the four months I've been here, I've seen half a dozen cases where Glocks in. 357 SIG caliber have been seized from trafficking cases.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: French G. on February 02, 2021, 08:47:15 PM
No evidence yet.  But no doubt at all this gets used for politics.

Guessing it is someone of an immigrant background only because if it was a white dude with a mullet (no short supply down there) he would be all over the news and we’d already be in camps.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 02, 2021, 08:55:10 PM
Guessing it is someone of an immigrant background only because if it was a white dude with a mullet (no short supply down there) he would be all over the news and we’d already be in camps.

Let's hope it isn't another political arrest that went sideways.  FBI has been rounding up people from the 6th.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 02, 2021, 08:56:27 PM
It seemed pretty informal.  The news announcer stated this was while taking the body to the medical examiner's office.  I think the announcer mistakenly stated the body was in a casket, it was probably just in a bag on the gurney, or perhaps just in sheets, it's hard to tell from the video.  It was the casket part of the statement that struck me as unusual.  Hospitals don't normally have caskets available, that I'm aware of.

To the best of my knowledge, ambulances don't carry flags for draping corpses, either.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: BobR on February 02, 2021, 09:14:03 PM
To the best of my knowledge, ambulances don't carry flags for draping corpses, either.

Maybe after the last year or so and the defunding the police mantra coupled with mass retirements and career changes by the police they have realized that they *may* just be outnumbered and outgunned and have started carrying a few flags in the cruiser trunks.  =|


bob
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 02, 2021, 09:34:18 PM
Maybe after the last year or so and the defunding the police mantra coupled with mass retirements and career changes by the police they have realized that they *may* just be outnumbered and outgunned and have started carrying a few flags in the cruiser trunks.  =|


Possible.

I personally know four former police officers who have retired, and one who simply decided to get out of that line of work. None of them seem to have any regrets about getting out.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: JTHunter on February 02, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
According to the news reports I have heard this evening, the "alleged perp" is also dead.  They have yet to say if it was by FBI return fire or self-inflicted.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2021, 11:34:34 PM
According to the news reports I have heard this evening, the "alleged perp" is also dead.  They have yet to say if it was by FBI return fire or self-inflicted.

https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-fbi-agents-killed-3-injured-while-serving-warrant-in-sunrise/
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Authorities also said the subject is dead, and the shooter died by suicide.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 03, 2021, 12:24:02 AM
To the best of my knowledge, ambulances don't carry flags for draping corpses, either.

Undertaker we hired for my dad kept some in their vans and herses for just such a reason.  Dad left home for the last time under a flag even though it was just the undertaker and us, and done in the dark evening.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: HankB on February 03, 2021, 07:02:36 AM
Strange - not a peep about this on the local news so far.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 03, 2021, 08:28:20 AM
Strange - not a peep about this on the local news so far.

Still coordinating the narrative.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Ron on February 03, 2021, 08:43:25 AM
The FBI is corrupt at the highest levels so I don't believe any of their stories at face value.

The FBI engaged in a coup attempt against an elected president.

They are not the good guys. They are just another group of bad guys.

 
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 03, 2021, 09:44:50 AM
Let's hope it isn't another political arrest that went sideways.  FBI has been rounding up people from the 6th.
I hope that as well.  The guy may be what they say he was accused of, but we don't know.  It is one of those accusations that get no sympathy from anyone.  Hopefully that isn't case here and this was actually someone that deserved it. 

I do recall an interview I heard several years ago from someone who was under some pressure from federal prosecutors.  They were suspicious and had a 3rd party inspect their computer who found a file buried in the system that could be seen as illegal.  Said they didn't put it there and it wasn't in a location that was easily found.  You can imagine if someone was raided and the Feds claimed they found child porn on their computer, just about anyone defending them would pull back.  The circumstances wouldn't matter.   [tinfoil]  If the Feds started the Great Confiscation, that would be a good way to disguise the initial round of raids.   [tinfoil]  Maybe I can pass that to Infowars to investigate. 
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Ben on February 03, 2021, 10:46:23 AM

I do recall an interview I heard several years ago from someone who was under some pressure from federal prosecutors.  They were suspicious and had a 3rd party inspect their computer who found a file buried in the system that could be seen as illegal.  Said they didn't put it there and it wasn't in a location that was easily found.  You can imagine if someone was raided and the Feds claimed they found child porn on their computer, just about anyone defending them would pull back.  The circumstances wouldn't matter.   [tinfoil]  If the Feds started the Great Confiscation, that would be a good way to disguise the initial round of raids.   [tinfoil]  Maybe I can pass that to Infowars to investigate.

Uncle Sugar sent me to a SANS401 computer security course years back. One of the instructors was an FBI cyberagent, and he was teaching when we went over embedding hidden images inside of documents. At the time, he said it was a popular way for child porn people to sneak their images around. I can't recall the method name anymore.

It would be very easy to set someone up with that type of file through any kind of email/download where they weren't paying attention. You have to know what you're looking for to suspect, and it's much harder now than it was back when I took the class. We worked with files for that segment where a "suspicion trigger" was a one page document that instead of being 30K was 300K. These days, a 300K image could easily be slipped in a one page word processing document that was saved at 3meg because of all the fancy formatting options in modern software.

Edit: It may have even been slipping a hidden image "inside" another image. I would need to dig up the old books to verify.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Nick1911 on February 03, 2021, 10:49:36 AM
Uncle Sugar sent me to a SANS401 computer security course years back. One of the instructors was an FBI cyberagent, and he was teaching when we went over embedding hidden images inside of documents. At the time, he said it was a popular way for child porn people to sneak their images around. I can't recall the method name anymore.

It would be very easy to set someone up with that type of file through any kind of email/download where they weren't paying attention. You have to know what you're looking for to suspect, and it's much harder now than it was back when I took the class. We worked with files for that segment where a "suspicion trigger" was a one page document that instead of being 30K was 300K. These days, a 300K image could easily be slipped in a one page word processing document that was saved at 3meg because of all the fancy formatting options in modern software.

Steganography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography)
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Ben on February 03, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
Steganography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography)

That's the one. :)
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Jim147 on February 03, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
All they have to do is drop a micro sd card.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 03, 2021, 11:16:09 AM
Give the dems another year or two and these people will be a protected class and illegal to discriminate against
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Fly320s on February 03, 2021, 12:00:17 PM
Give the dems another year or two and these people will be a protected class and illegal to discriminate against

FBI agents?
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 03, 2021, 12:10:23 PM
FBI agents?

Don't they already have that status?
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: brimic on February 03, 2021, 12:30:34 PM
Give the dems another year or two and these people will be a protected class and illegal to discriminate against

If you do a deep dive into the subject, you’ll find that nearly all of the main porn outlets are owned by the same entity, and this entity has been involved in CP. the people involved would certainly be considered a protected class.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 03, 2021, 06:17:24 PM
Stolen shamelessly from another forum.


The FBI has proven itself, time and time again, to be a thoroughly untrustworthy organization that is primarily focused on doing the dirty work of the Democratic party.

Who has Seth Rich's computer despite lying about it for 4 years?

Who instigated the Garland, TX terrorist attack?

Who had an FBI informant imbedded with the first WTC bombing crew?  Who was warned ahead of time of the plans and yet did nothing?

Who has Hunter Biden's laptop, and sat on it?

Who has Anthony Weiner's laptop, and sat on it?

Who altered their 302 statements to frame Flynn?

Who allowed Hillary Clinton and her team to destroy evidence before turning it over to the FBI and did not recommend prosecution for said destruction?

Which hostage rescue team has killed more hostages than they rescued?

Which Federal police organization sat back for 9 months while Antifa et al burned cities and killed conservatives?

Which Federal organization allowed it's top level officials to blatantly break the law and engage in a coup attempt against a Presidential candidate and then President?

Which Federal organization is now being used to investigate Trump supporters who simply attended the Jan 6 rally and did not participate in the riot?

Oh yeah, the FBI.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: freakazoid on February 04, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Stolen shamelessly from another forum.


The FBI has proven itself, time and time again, to be a thoroughly untrustworthy organization that is primarily focused on doing the dirty work of the Democratic party.

Who has Seth Rich's computer despite lying about it for 4 years?

Who instigated the Garland, TX terrorist attack?

Who had an FBI informant imbedded with the first WTC bombing crew?  Who was warned ahead of time of the plans and yet did nothing?

Who has Hunter Biden's laptop, and sat on it?

Who has Anthony Weiner's laptop, and sat on it?

Who altered their 302 statements to frame Flynn?

Who allowed Hillary Clinton and her team to destroy evidence before turning it over to the FBI and did not recommend prosecution for said destruction?

Which hostage rescue team has killed more hostages than they rescued?

Which Federal police organization sat back for 9 months while Antifa et al burned cities and killed conservatives?

Which Federal organization allowed it's top level officials to blatantly break the law and engage in a coup attempt against a Presidential candidate and then President?

Which Federal organization is now being used to investigate Trump supporters who simply attended the Jan 6 rally and did not participate in the riot?

Oh yeah, the FBI.


Who was guarding Epstein's island when the building caught on fire? I'm assuming the same people  but don't actually know.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: lee n. field on February 04, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
Uncle Sugar sent me to a SANS401 computer security course years back. One of the instructors was an FBI cyberagent, and he was teaching when we went over embedding hidden images inside of documents. At the time, he said it was a popular way for child porn people to sneak their images around. I can't recall the method name anymore.

Steganography is what that's called.

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It would be very easy to set someone up with that type of file through any kind of email/download where they weren't paying attention. You have to know what you're looking for to suspect, and it's much harder now than it was back when I took the class. We worked with files for that segment where a "suspicion trigger" was a one page document that instead of being 30K was 300K. These days, a 300K image could easily be slipped in a one page word processing document that was saved at 3meg because of all the fancy formatting options in modern software.

Edit: It may have even been slipping a hidden image "inside" another image. I would need to dig up the old books to verify.

Hard to defend against that.

I've taken to encrypting any hard disk (on a laptop) that might leave the house (and some in).  Too easy for a hostile actor ("advanced persistent threat") to slip a nasty in on someone.  Probably wouldn't be enough, but one has to try.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2021, 01:20:37 PM
It's those evil military-style weapons again. Oh and doorbell cameras.

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Authorities are investigating whether he may have used his doorbell’s security camera to time his ambush, firing a high-powered rifle through the door as their team neared to search his home and computer.

That’s a danger police nationwide are facing: As outdoor surveillance cameras now protect about half of U.S. homes from criminals, the criminals are using them to get a jump on officers about to raid theirs. Some doorbell cameras even have motion sensors that alert owners when anyone comes within 100 feet (30 meters).

The cameras, combined with the military-style weaponry many criminals possess, leave law enforcement offers particularly vulnerable. In such situations, the house’s doors and walls offer no protection, noted Ed Davis, Boston’s police commissioner from 2006 to 2013.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/former-cops-doorbell-cameras-could-result-in-more-no-knock-police-warrants/

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Davis said there are some countermeasures officers can take against surveillance cameras but they carry the risk of tipping off suspects, particularly when they believe a raid is imminent. Some police departments have devices that can jam the Bluetooth or other radio-wave systems some cameras use to send images to their monitor. And they can cut the home’s power, although many camera systems have battery backups.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 06, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Oh, the delicious irony: All across the country, police departments are trying to get owners of doorbell cameras to link them into the PD so the cops can have an expanded surveillance network without having to install much of any infrastructure. But God forbid a homeowner should use his doorbell camera to let him know when someone is approaching his door. That's EVIL!
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: brimic on February 07, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
Jokes on them. I have mine wired up to rain napalm down on anyone who approaches my door with weapons.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Andiron on February 07, 2021, 08:45:04 AM
Jokes on them. I have mine wired up to rain napalm down on anyone who approaches my door with weapons.

I gotta look into that.  The boiling oil setup I have is old school and not nearly efficient as napalm.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: HankB on February 07, 2021, 10:52:24 AM
Jokes on them. I have mine wired up to rain napalm down on anyone who approaches my door with weapons.
And all I have is a trapdoor and spike pit . . . :'(
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2021, 10:59:36 AM
Mine just shines a laser beam on them The 10 cats take care of the rest.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: dogmush on February 07, 2021, 11:49:11 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_fougasse
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: just Warren on February 07, 2021, 12:36:12 PM
I gotta look into that.  The boiling oil setup I have is old school and not nearly efficient as napalm.

I didn't figure you for a retro-hipster type.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: BobR on February 07, 2021, 01:56:25 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_fougasse

Reading some books about the Vietnam war I would love how they would place 55 gallon drums around the perimeter of some outposts and load them with explosives and flammable materials pointing outward, their version of Foogas.

bob
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: Andiron on February 07, 2021, 03:27:14 PM
I didn't figure you for a retro-hipster type.

Who am I to improve on a classic?   :cool:

I'd have went with a moat,  but the damn things freeze over this far north and that's hard on the piranhas and gators.   >:D

Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 07, 2021, 05:28:54 PM
And all I have is a trapdoor and spike pit . . . :'(

Never underestimate trap doors and spike pits, especially if made by small men in black pajamas.
Title: Re: 7 FBI agents shot while serving child porn warrant. 2 maybe 3 dead.
Post by: just Warren on February 07, 2021, 05:30:20 PM
Never underestimate trap doors and spike pits, especially if made by small men in black pajamas.

Willy Wonka was serious about security.