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Title: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 16, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
Looks like a 21 year old guy with spa issues. Or was it a lefty wanting to push the gun control agenda by making a statement?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-dead-shooting-georgia-massage-parlor-suspect-loose-n1261262?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2021, 09:18:20 PM
I was going to say something in the Biden gun control thread that now is about the time for a mass shooting to push the current bills over the edge in the senate not because of any tin-foil hattery but because Murphy is an ahole.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 16, 2021, 10:03:05 PM
Looks like a 21 year old guy with spa issues. Or was it a lefty wanting to push the gun control agenda by making a statement?


Or a guy with Asian women issues.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Fly320s on March 17, 2021, 06:55:44 AM
Or a guy with Asian women issues.

I wonder if he was denied a "happy ending" at those places and he was angry about it. 
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on March 17, 2021, 08:19:09 AM
"Spa issues"?
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 17, 2021, 08:47:09 AM
Sounds more like Asian women issues.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: freakazoid on March 17, 2021, 09:48:14 AM
Probably got turned away either all together or when he pushed for a happy ending, and decided to take it out on them.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
I'm seeing lots of "covid racism" talk, even from conservatives, on the news this morning. Seems kinda racist to mix up Chinese and Koreans. Plus if you look at the guy's mugshot, and his target establishments, it seems kinda easy to pin a likely motive. But I guess that would be racist too, because then you're implying that all Korean massage parlors are "massage" parlors.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2021, 10:28:35 AM
I'm seeing lots of "covid racism" talk, even from conservatives, on the news this morning. Seems kinda racist to mix up Chinese and Koreans. Plus if you look at the guy's mugshot, and his target establishments, it seems kinda easy to pin a likely motive. But I guess that would be racist too, because then you're implying that all Korean massage parlors are "massage" parlors.

Trump's fault

https://www.theblaze.com/news/ted-lieu-atlanta-mass-killing-trump-kung-flu?utm_medium=push&utm_source=pushnami
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2021, 11:39:50 AM
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Georgia officials said Wednesday that the suspect in a series of shootings at Atlanta-area massage parlors that left eight people dead may have a "sexual addiction" and that it was too early to say if the attack was a hate crime.

Police arrested a white 21-year-old Georgia man who they say has taken responsibility for the shootings, while denying they were racially motivated, though many of the victims were women of Asian descent. Instead, officials told reporters that Robert Aaron Long, of Woodstock, said he was a frequent visitor of massage parlors and intended to eliminate the temptation he thought they posed. But officials wouldn’t say whether the parlors where the shootings occurred were places where sex took place.

He was on his way to Florida and intended to commit similar crimes there, they said.

Atlanta Police Chief Rodney Bryant cautioned that it was too early to say if it was hate crime. But many members of the Asian American community said they felt they had been targeted.
https://www.wlky.com/article/georgia-massage-parlor-shootings/35857026
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: HankB on March 17, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
Note to self: Avoid shady people and shady businesses.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2021, 01:32:59 PM
Well, this will be fodder for congress:

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Long purchased the gun used in the shootings just hours earlier, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-shooting-suspect-police-attacks-not-racially-motivated-sex-addiction

It seems just about confirmed now, that this was not race based, but I'm betting the MSM and politicians will ignore the confession and all we will see is "white guy killed Asians due to white supremacy."
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2021, 04:22:16 PM

It seems just about confirmed now, that this was not race based, but I'm betting the MSM and politicians will ignore the confession and all we will see is "white guy killed Asians due to white supremacy."

Spot on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9369859/Four-people-shot-dead-two-spas-Atlanta-hours-three-killed-massage-parlor.html

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Initially, police said they were probing whether race was a factor in the attacks because six of the eight victims were Asian women.

But on Wednesday morning, they said Long told them that was not why he carried out the attacks. Instead, he said he is addicted to sex and porn, and wanted to remove the 'temptation' of the parlors.

So, basically, he was a religious nut who somehow rationalized that killing other people was the way to remove temptation from his life. In the face of this, we then have:

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Biden condemned the increased number of hate crimes against Asians in his primetime speech last week, saying they have been ‘attacked, harassed, blamed and scapegoated’ because of the coronavirus pandemic.

‘It’s wrong. It’s un-American, and it must stop,’ he said.

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Georgia Democratic Senator Raphael Warnock, a minister, said ‘this kind of violence’ is driven by hate even if the suspect said that was not his motive.

‘Anybody who takes precious lives in that manner is driven by hate,’ he told reporters on Capitol Hill.

Yeah, twit brain -- SELF-hate. Not racial prejudice.

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Embattled New York Governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted: 'Our hearts break for the 8 victims of the Georgia shootings last night, 6 of Asian descent.

'While we await details from Georgia, this much we do know: Hate crimes against Asian Americans have soared during COVID. And it must stop.

'NY will always stand up against bigotry & hate.'

"Never mind the facts. I need a good sound bite to clean up my image and distract y'all from trying to impeach me."

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At a press conference on Wednesday, the Mayor of Atlanta said that while these killings do not seem to be have been driven by racism, there is a problem with anti-American-Asian hatred.

'Whether it is senseless violence that we've seen play out in our streets, or more targeted violence like we saw yesterday, a crime against any community is a crime against us all.'

So, even though the killings weren't racially motivated, they were still racist. Got it.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2021, 01:10:18 AM
Oh, Cuomo chimed in on some guy killing a bunch of people. Right.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2021, 01:19:34 AM

So, even though the killings weren't racially motivated, they were still racist. Got it.

Do you recall a single recent killing where the killer was white and the victim was non-white that wasn't immediately labeled racially motivated even if it was in self defense?
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on March 18, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
Note to self: Avoid shady people and shady businesses.

The Rule of Stupid.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 18, 2021, 10:40:00 PM
Do you recall a single recent killing where the killer was white and the victim was non-white that wasn't immediately labeled racially motivated even if it was in self defense?

I can think of some whites killed by whites, and it was called racism.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: freakazoid on March 19, 2021, 02:06:32 AM
It seems like the left has really been cranking up the whites are racist against asians rhetoric more and more lately. I wonder if this is simply a build up to something with China and/or North Korea. The left setting up a situation now for something to come later. Sort of like them asking Trump if he would step down quietly for a "smooth transition of power", since they knew they were going to rig the election beforehand.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Boomhauer on March 19, 2021, 04:45:11 AM
It seems like the left has really been cranking up the whites are racist against asians rhetoric more and more lately. I wonder if this is simply a build up to something with China and/or North Korea. The left setting up a situation now for something to come later. Sort of like them asking Trump if he would step down quietly for a "smooth transition of power", since they knew they were going to rig the election beforehand.

But they ain’t saying *expletive deleted*it about urban youts attacking Asians.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 19, 2021, 08:30:09 AM
So are these Korean workers just doing the jobs that Americans won't?  Why are they so prevalent in the spa/massage parlor business?  It is the same up here in Seattle as well.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2021, 08:39:30 AM
But they ain’t saying *expletive deleted*it about urban youts attacking Asians.

If it's happens every day and is the norm it's not news

Meanwhile in Chicago
https://heyjackass.com/
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 108
Shot & Wounded: 493
Total Shot: 601
Total Homicides: 114
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 19, 2021, 09:42:01 AM
My head hurts

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Alison Collins 高勵思
@AliMCollins
Replying to @AliMCollins
Many Asian Ss and Ts I know won't engage in critical race convos unless they see how they are impacted by white supremacy.
1:12 PM · Dec 4, 2016
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Alison Collins 高勵思
@AliMCollins
Replying to @AliMCollins
Where are the vocal Asians speaking up against Trump? Don't Asian Americans know they are on his list as well?

Just. WOW! SF Board of Education Commissioner Alison Collins’ racist, anti-Asian tweets surface (this thread is especially BAD)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/19/just-wow-sf-board-of-education-commissioner-alison-collins-racist-anti-asian-tweets-surface-this-thread-is-especially-bad/
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2021, 11:12:05 AM
Wow!

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    I even see it in my FB timeline with former HS peers. Their TLs are full of White and Asian ppl. No recognition #BlackLivesMatter exists.

    — Alison Collins 高勵思 (@AliMCollins) December 4, 2016

Perhaps they don't show recognition of BLM because they recognize it as what it is -- a political sham and a cover for a racist, terrorist movement.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Phyphor on March 19, 2021, 04:09:56 PM
"It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2021, 07:51:27 PM
Wow, cancel culture side note:

A sheriff was reported as saying the suspect "had a bad day" and that's why he went on the shooting spree. This is how it was reported from VOX (another reputable news source), and the sheriff is now in trouble.

However it turns out a (ironically, the founder of and former VOX) journalist listened to the entire news conference, and it appears that the sheriff was reading from the suspect's statement. The suspect said he was having a bad day - the sheriff did not.

Anyway, the sheriff is going through the wringer. Even Fox news seems to still reporting it as the sheriff making the statement (unless they update the story post my post).

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/19/vox-founder-matt-yglesias-fact-checks-the-bad-day-clip-from-voxs-aaron-rupar-in-the-shot-chaser-of-the-year/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-sheriff-said-shooting-suspect-bad-day-replaced
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2021/03/asian-americans-buying-guns-hate-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR2Xj8u9GchyYOri0MIvLoYX0H-tGCsvBUzVgc26UuxOxcVPTvhhFT_cHXE

I, for one, welcome our new gunowner colleagues.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2021, 10:39:23 AM
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2021/03/asian-americans-buying-guns-hate-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR2Xj8u9GchyYOri0MIvLoYX0H-tGCsvBUzVgc26UuxOxcVPTvhhFT_cHXE

I, for one, welcome our new gunowner colleagues.

My ex-wife who just so happens to be Chinese called a couple of days ago about buying a gun.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
^^^ So what did you recommend to her?
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2021, 11:41:12 AM
^^^ So what did you recommend to her?

Really hesitant to get involved. It's really a sticky situation I would prefer to avoid with her.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 21, 2021, 11:51:56 AM
^^^ So what did you recommend to her?

Helping one's ex pick a gun: rarely a good idea.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
Helping one's ex pick a gun: rarely a good idea.

You're probably right; I am always interested in hearing the opinions of experts for recommending something to novice shooters.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 21, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
You're probably right; I am always interested in hearing the opinions of experts for recommending something to novice shooters.

For someone like her, someone who's not a gun person and probably will never be a gun person, the simpler the better along the lines like a 38sp revolver. She would probably have trouble racking the slide on a SA as well.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MechAg94 on March 21, 2021, 12:44:02 PM
But I would say not the small snub nose revolver but one a little larger.  Maybe a 357 mag revolver shooting 38 special.  I guess there are other options like 327 mag. 

Ruger and S&W have snub nose revolvers that have an 8 round 22 LR cylinder.  Not ideal, but it goes bang and puts holes in stuff. 
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2021, 12:53:25 PM
For a novice more oriented towards revolvers, depending on their price range and product availability, I am recommending a three inch Taurus 856 or Ruger SP-101.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
For a novice more oriented towards revolvers, depending on their price range and product availability, I am recommending a three inch Taurus 856 or Ruger SP-101.

How are the triggers on those? For someone small and of the fairer sex, if I were looking at revolvers, I would look at something with an LCR kinda trigger.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 21, 2021, 01:08:28 PM
But I would say not the small snub nose revolver but one a little larger.  Maybe a 357 mag revolver shooting 38 special.  I guess there are other options like 327 mag. 

Ruger and S&W have snub nose revolvers that have an 8 round 22 LR cylinder.  Not ideal, but it goes bang and puts holes in stuff.

.327 Federal Magnum might be a bit "brisk" for someone who is new to guns and shooting. It's also rather loud.

A nice "feature" of .327 Magnum is that it also shoots four other, less powerful cartridges. Unfortunately, they are all .32 caliber (:duh:) and none of them are likely to be found anywhere, at any price in today's market.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: 230RN on March 21, 2021, 01:34:45 PM
A Smith hammerless Airweight (not the scandium one) .38 SPL with a laser sight on it.... but practice using the iron sights.  Serious, but not overwhelming power, and safe, since there are only two ways to get it to fire:  (1) a long deliberate trigger pull or (2) throw it in a good fire for a about ten minutes.

The scandium/titanium version of it is way too light and has a punishing kick, which inspired me to think that if a gun were as light as its bullet, it would be just as dangerous on the back end as the front end.

Or, depending on the nature of your present relationship, recommend a Bryco or Jennings.

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Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 21, 2021, 01:47:25 PM
How are the triggers on those? For someone small and of the fairer sex, if I were looking at revolvers, I would look at something with an LCR kinda trigger.

I have a .38 LCR that I am fond of. But due to the light weight, I don't think of it as a first choice for the novice. I have both SP-101s and Taurus 85s and think the triggers are fine for the intended use.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Fly320s on March 21, 2021, 03:08:31 PM
Revolvers are not always a good choice for small, weak people.  The trigger pull weight is often too heavy to overcome for people with weak fingers.  Instead, look for a small, light semi-auto, such as the S&W Shield EZ, which has an easy-to-rack slide.

Think about this: Which would be easier to do for a small, weak person?

1. Pull a heavy trigger with one finger while keeping the gun on target and do it under stress.
2. Push-pull the slide of a semi-auto using both hands and do it without the stress.

I consider myself to be an above-average shooter.  I've had plenty of training and practice with all sorts of guns, including pistols and revolvers.  I have never been able to shoot a revolver as well as I shoot a pistol and that is primarily because of the heavy and long trigger pull.  Light triggers were invented for a reason, you know.

The downside is that the pistol is more likely than the revolver to have a malfunction.  But is it more likely to malfunction when she needs it most vs more likely that she will have a difficult time pulling the revolver's trigger when she needs that most?

Have her test drive a few varieties if she wants. 

Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 21, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2021/03/asian-americans-buying-guns-hate-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR2Xj8u9GchyYOri0MIvLoYX0H-tGCsvBUzVgc26UuxOxcVPTvhhFT_cHXE

I, for one, welcome our new gunowner colleagues.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2021, 06:27:20 PM
Hmm.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/21/flashback-heres-why-al-sharpton-is-absolutely-the-last-person-to-be-talking-about-trump-allegedly-inspiring-anti-asian-violence/

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/21/trump-inspired-rhetoric-nypd-releases-photo-of-the-suspect-in-an-assault-on-a-68-year-old-asian-man-in-nyc/
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on March 21, 2021, 10:12:29 PM
For a novice more oriented towards revolvers, depending on their price range and product availability, I am recommending a three inch Taurus 856 or Ruger SP-101.

I don't see the 3" SP101s very often.  I have yet to see one of the 3 inch Taurus Defender 856-s, and don't see too many reports of people actually having them. 

But I would say not the small snub nose revolver but one a little larger.  Maybe a 357 mag revolver shooting 38 special.  I guess there are other options like 327 mag. 

Ruger and S&W have snub nose revolvers that have an 8 round 22 LR cylinder.  Not ideal, but it goes bang and puts holes in stuff.

...

I have a .38 LCR that I am fond of. But due to the light weight, I don't think of it as a first choice for the novice. I have both SP-101s and Taurus 85s and think the triggers are fine for the intended use.

I picked up an LCRx .38 in February.  Have had it out to shoot a couple times.  Nice piece.  In a bunch of ways I think it's better made than my S&W 642.  The sole downside so far is that the Safariland speedloaders that work for the j-frame and small frame Taurus, don't work for the LCR. 

Soo, for this use, LCRx, 3", in .357.  Gets you the longer sight radius, adjustable sight, a bit of extra weight (steel frame vs. aluminum), and a longer soft rubber grip than the snubby.  The DA pull is nice, but you have a manually cockable hammer if needed.  Shoot your .38 of choice through it.  Mild shooting target wadcutters are getting much love these days for this purpose, in some circles.  Federal makes an interesting variant of that (https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/premium-personal-defense/personal-defense-hst-micro/11-P38HST1S.html), but good luck finding any right now.

A Smith hammerless Airweight (not the scandium one) .38 SPL with a laser sight on it.... but practice using the iron sights.

And if you got the money for it, add the lasergrip.  The laser can be a huge help with dry fire practice.  Learn to run the trigger without moving the dot.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: 230RN on March 21, 2021, 11:11:16 PM
Actually. the way I do it is to practice the DA letoff as the dot sweeps across the target.  But to each his own.  I also have a guitar excercise dealy to keep my fingers up to snuff.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: JN01 on March 21, 2021, 11:32:14 PM
My ex-wife who just so happens to be Chinese called a couple of days ago about buying a gun.

Recommending a small caliber will increase your chances of survival.  =)
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
 =)

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/22/watch-narratives-collide-in-d-c-as-pro-uighur-demonstrators-shouting-fck-china-are-called-racist-by-the-stop-asian-hate-rallygoers/
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
Every time I think we've reached peak stupidity another even high mountain of stupid comes into view
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
Revolvers are not always a good choice for small, weak people.  The trigger pull weight is often too heavy to overcome for people with weak fingers.  Instead, look for a small, light semi-auto, such as the S&W Shield EZ, which has an easy-to-rack slide.

Think about this: Which would be easier to do for a small, weak person?

1. Pull a heavy trigger with one finger while keeping the gun on target and do it under stress.
2. Push-pull the slide of a semi-auto using both hands and do it without the stress.

I consider myself to be an above-average shooter.  I've had plenty of training and practice with all sorts of guns, including pistols and revolvers.  I have never been able to shoot a revolver as well as I shoot a pistol and that is primarily because of the heavy and long trigger pull.  Light triggers were invented for a reason, you know.

The downside is that the pistol is more likely than the revolver to have a malfunction.  But is it more likely to malfunction when she needs it most vs more likely that she will have a difficult time pulling the revolver's trigger when she needs that most?

Have her test drive a few varieties if she wants.
IMO, everyone is a little different and you just need to figure out what they can handle. 
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 10:25:50 AM
If I see a 3 inch LCRx in .357 at a LGS, I will be snatching that up.  Suffice it to say that I have not seen one yet, and I never find them in stock at Bud's, either.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2021, 10:33:16 AM
Been kind of looking for a 9mm revolver.  Two reasons.
1) 9mm out of a 2-3" barrel actually out performs 357. 357 needs a 4" and up barrel to get moving. ~4" 357 takes over.
2) I have a bunch of 9mm, 38sp and 357 very little and zip
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 10:41:25 AM
^^^Another one I am keeping an eye out for: the Taurus 692, in stainless and three inch barrel: https://www.taurususa.com/revolvers/see-all-revolvers?view=article&id=441&catid=60
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: freakazoid on March 22, 2021, 10:59:38 AM
A Smith hammerless Airweight (not the scandium one) .38 SPL with a laser sight on it.... but practice using the iron sights.  Serious, but not overwhelming power, and safe, since there are only two ways to get it to fire:  (1) a long deliberate trigger pull or (2) throw it in a good fire for a about ten minutes.

The scandium/titanium version of it is way too light and has a punishing kick, which inspired me to think that if a gun were as light as its bullet, it would be just as dangerous on the back end as the front end.

Or, depending on the nature of your present relationship, recommend a Bryco or Jennings.

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baseball-almanac.com%2Fimages%2Fsnidely_whiplash.jpg&hash=274eda6f4e065f6048ce6bc1558d64fd0fb799de), 230RN

I think the Airweight is the one my mom had got some years back. I remember it having a very heavy and long trigger which she didn't like.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2021, 11:43:25 AM
I've always been a little skeptical about the 9mm/.38/.357 revolvers.
Nominal bullet diameter of 9mm ..355" .38/.357 is .357. Does .002" not make much difference with jacketed bullets?
I know with cast the .002" can mean the difference between a reasonably accurate load and a load that can coat the barrel lead in just a few shots.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Fly320s on March 22, 2021, 12:11:17 PM
I've always been a little skeptical about the 9mm/.38/.357 revolvers.
Nominal bullet diameter of 9mm ..355" .38/.357 is .357. Does .002" not make much difference with jacketed bullets?
I know with cast the .002" can mean the difference between a reasonably accurate load and a load that can coat the barrel lead in just a few shots.

Are there revolvers that can shoot all three cartridges?  Seems like that wouldn't work because of the way the cartridge seats: on the mouth vs on the rim.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Fly320s on March 22, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
IMO, everyone is a little different and you just need to figure out what they can handle.

You are correct.  I've always had a problem with blanket statements such as, "Get the little lady a revolver," so when that suggestion comes up I feel the urge to suggest that the "little Lady" might not be able to use a revolver.  Or the lady may like a semi-auto better.

My wife prefers my Kimber Pro Carry in .40SW.  She can run it without issue and she easily handles the snappy recoil.  She doesn't like revolvers at all mainly because of the trigger.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
Are there revolvers that can shoot all three cartridges?  Seems like that wouldn't work because of the way the cartridge seats: on the mouth vs on the rim.

I can think of the Ruger Blackhawk convertible and the Taurus 692, both of which use separate cylinders for the 9 mm and the .38/.357.  I am sure there are others that I am forgetting about right now.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2021, 12:46:42 PM
You are correct.  I've always had a problem with blanket statements such as, "Get the little lady a revolver," so when that suggestion comes up I feel the urge to suggest that the "little Lady" might not be able to use a revolver.  Or the lady may like a semi-auto better.

My wife prefers my Kimber Pro Carry in .40SW.  She can run it without issue and she easily handles the snappy recoil.  She doesn't like revolvers at all mainly because of the trigger.


In my case, and hers, it wasn't a blanket statement. I know her, her mechanical aptitude is virtually zero and her hands would have trouble racking most semis. Many women I have steered toward a semi but with her anything mechanical it's best to keep it as simple as possible 
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on March 22, 2021, 03:09:28 PM
Are there revolvers that can shoot all three cartridges?  Seems like that wouldn't work because of the way the cartridge seats: on the mouth vs on the rim.

Swappable cylinders, is what I see.  Taurus has or had one that features that, and TK Custom offers 9mm rechambering (https://tkcustom.com/services/9mm-rechambering) (and says your .38/.357 will still run in the modified cylinder).
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 03:46:35 PM
You are correct.  I've always had a problem with blanket statements such as, "Get the little lady a revolver," so when that suggestion comes up I feel the urge to suggest that the "little Lady" might not be able to use a revolver.  Or the lady may like a semi-auto better.

My wife prefers my Kimber Pro Carry in .40SW.  She can run it without issue and she easily handles the snappy recoil.  She doesn't like revolvers at all mainly because of the trigger.

I sort of cringe when I see people suggest women should get a very small gun as they are often hard to shoot and have excessive recoil (not all of them).  I generally suggest people go rent a few guns and/or let me go with them and bring a few examples to try. 

I think new shooters would often handle full size 9mm pistols better than the very small guns.  Many people are intimidated by big guns even if they are easier to shoot.  A lot of large 9mm pistol slides are easier to rack with more surface area to grip.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on March 22, 2021, 04:15:52 PM
I sort of cringe when I see people suggest women should get a very small gun as they are often hard to shoot and have excessive recoil (not all of them).  I generally suggest people go rent a few guns and/or let me go with them and bring a few examples to try. 

I think new shooters would often handle full size 9mm pistols better than the very small guns.  Many people are intimidated by big guns even if they are easier to shoot.  A lot of large 9mm pistol slides are easier to rack with more surface area to grip.

In my post (not that you were referring to it), I was not suggesting a revolver, but rather, if she went revolver, one with a trigger similar to the LCR trigger.

While there are various reasons for weak hand strength, and different kinds of weaknesses, a long, hard (that's what she said!) DA trigger pull, IMO, is much harder to accomplish for a weak hand than racking a slide. I notice this even with my own hands. When I practice weak hand drills, I "feel" like I need to exert more force to work a DA trigger than to rack any slide. Doing weak hand DA trigger practice is much harder for me than other weak hand firearm manipulation.

Other than the S&W EZs, and similar I would agree that a larger pistol is often easier for a weak handed person to manipulate than one with less surface area. From my own use,  I find my CZ Omega harder to rack than my FNX-9 because of the skinny slide design on the Omega. The FNX, or even my smaller Sig P938, have more surface area to grip on the slide.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 22, 2021, 04:17:37 PM
Are there revolvers that can shoot all three cartridges?  Seems like that wouldn't work because of the way the cartridge seats: on the mouth vs on the rim.

Ruger has a "convertible" that comes with 2 cylinders.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
In my post (not that you were referring to it), I was not suggesting a revolver, but rather, if she went revolver, one with a trigger similar to the LCR trigger.

While there are various reasons for weak hand strength, and different kinds of weaknesses, a long, hard (that's what she said!) DA trigger pull, IMO, is much harder to accomplish for a weak hand than racking a slide. I notice this even with my own hands. When I practice weak hand drills, I "feel" like I need to exert more force to work a DA trigger than to rack any slide. Doing weak hand DA trigger practice is much harder for me than other weak hand firearm manipulation.

Other than the S&W EZs, and similar I would agree that a larger pistol is often easier for a weak handed person to manipulate than one with less surface area. From my own use,  I find my CZ Omega harder to rack than my FNX-9 because of the skinny slide design on the Omega. The FNX, or even my smaller Sig P938, have more surface area to grip on the slide.
I wasn't cringing on what you said.  It just brings up memories of hearing those suggestions at gun shows/shops.   =)
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2021, 10:21:22 PM
Getting back to the shootings -- reports said that the shooter bought the gun that day. Does anyone know if he bought it legally?
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 10:55:43 PM
Getting back to the shootings -- reports said that the shooter bought the gun that day. Does anyone know if he bought it legally


Yes. I read an interview from the gun store he bought it from. He met all requirements.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 22, 2021, 11:03:19 PM
Thanks. One more data point ... but I'm not sure for which argument.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on March 23, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
You are correct.  I've always had a problem with blanket statements such as, "Get the little lady a revolver," so when that suggestion comes up I feel the urge to suggest that the "little Lady" might not be able to use a revolver.  Or the lady may like a semi-auto better.

My wife prefers my Kimber Pro Carry in .40SW.  She can run it without issue and she easily handles the snappy recoil.  She doesn't like revolvers at all mainly because of the trigger.

Lots of different things work "well enough".  Enthusiast gunnies tend to want to optimize for the last few percent advantage, and spend lots of money getting there.

Part of working well is being safe(r) for a relatively unfamiliar user to handle.  We want it to fire, when we deliberately want it to.  Pull the trigger at need, it goes bang.  Good.  Just lying there, nothing's going to happen.  Good.  What I would worry about is random handling.  Monkey fingers, and "administrative handling", just plain being inattentative.  I see a lot of Internet gunnies talking like they think they are perfectly switched on, all the time.  "Yeah, sure you are."

Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2021, 10:05:38 PM
My head hurts

Just. WOW! SF Board of Education Commissioner Alison Collins’ racist, anti-Asian tweets surface (this thread is especially BAD)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/19/just-wow-sf-board-of-education-commissioner-alison-collins-racist-anti-asian-tweets-surface-this-thread-is-especially-bad/

She's back

School board VP who says Asian American students use ‘white supremacist thinking’ to get ahead suing school district, city, and maybe 50 other people for ‘spiritual damage to her soul’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/31/school-board-vp-who-says-asian-american-students-use-white-supremacist-thinking-to-get-ahead-suing-school-district-city-and-maybe-50-other-people-for-spiritual-damage-to-her-soul/
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 01, 2021, 10:28:56 AM
She's back

School board VP who says Asian American students use ‘white supremacist thinking’ to get ahead suing school district, city, and maybe 50 other people for ‘spiritual damage to her soul’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/31/school-board-vp-who-says-asian-american-students-use-white-supremacist-thinking-to-get-ahead-suing-school-district-city-and-maybe-50-other-people-for-spiritual-damage-to-her-soul/

Of course she has the classic Karen haircut.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1376703992466702336/5Y4xEKoh?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
I really like the "50 people that might piss me off in the future" placeholder. I wasn't aware that is even legal.

If there is any example of a frivolous lawsuit the requires some monetary punishment for the person who files it and loses, this is it.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2021, 10:44:41 AM
Wouldn't spiritual damage be to her spirit, rather than soul? I hope a judge entertains the suit just long enough to make her lawyer explain her view of the ontology of the human spirit, soul, and body. Just for our amusement.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: lee n. field on April 01, 2021, 11:46:16 AM
Wouldn't spiritual damage be to her spirit, rather than soul? I hope a judge entertains the suit just long enough to make her lawyer explain her view of the ontology of the human spirit, soul, and body. Just for our amusement.

Definitely getting of into the weeds arguing bipartite vs. tripartite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_(theology)) views of human nature.  Arguing in court.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: MillCreek on April 01, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
Maybe the spirit is the feelz.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: BobR on April 01, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
As much as I blame her I want to know why every lawyer in the state didn't laugh her out of their offices when she floated this law suit. Oh wait....lawyers!  =|


bob
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Fly320s on April 01, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
As much as I blame her I want to know why every lawyer in the state didn't laugh her out of their offices when she floated this law suit. Oh wait....lawyers!  =|


bob

The other lawyers are waiting to see if her gambit works.  If it does, they will all join in on the fun.
Title: Re: 8 dead in 3 separate shootings in Georgia
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2021, 11:38:49 PM
The other lawyers are waiting to see if her gambit works.  If it does, they will all join in on the fun.

Cash in on the fun.