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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: 230RN on May 11, 2021, 10:07:00 PM
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Just caught the edge of this news out of the corner of my ear.
Some eateries / bars in Denver are requesting proof of vaccination in order to safely arrange their seating and deal with the mask requirements.
I was going to make copies of both sides of my vaccination card in anticipation of this, per a previous thread on APS. I guess I'll go ahead and do this for real now.
Terry
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I feel like things like this are gonna run afoul of HIPPA regs pretty fast. I'm no expert on the subject, but all the times I've dealt with/been around it, it's very special category stuff requiring special protections and limited access.
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But ask for an ID to vote..........
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Maybe some tattoos and some kind of marking on our clothes would work.
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Maybe some tattoos and some kind of marking on our clothes would work.
Oof.
I have a vaccination card and it is my goal to never show it. I showed it at my part time job because I was going to tell them anyway and there was free money for getting vaccinated. No one else needs to know medical info about me.
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If someone at a restaurant asks me for this I'll just respond by asking for proof of their Hep C vaccination. Fair's fair.
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Ihre Papiere bitte
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I feel like things like this are gonna run afoul of HIPPA regs pretty fast. I'm no expert on the subject, but all the times I've dealt with/been around it, it's very special category stuff requiring special protections and limited access.
Actually, no. Only 'covered entities' are required to follow HIPAA, and a restaurant is not a covered entity.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html
Who Must Follow These Laws
We call the entities that must follow the HIPAA regulations "covered entities."
Covered entities include:
Health Plans, including health insurance companies, HMOs, company health plans, and certain government programs that pay for health care, such as Medicare and Medicaid.
Most Health Care Providers—those that conduct certain business electronically, such as electronically billing your health insurance—including most doctors, clinics, hospitals, psychologists, chiropractors, nursing homes, pharmacies, and dentists.
Health Care Clearinghouses—entities that process nonstandard health information they receive from another entity into a standard (i.e., standard electronic format or data content), or vice versa.
In addition, business associates of covered entities must follow parts of the HIPAA regulations.
Often, contractors, subcontractors, and other outside persons and companies that are not employees of a covered entity will need to have access to your health information when providing services to the covered entity. We call these entities “business associates.” Examples of business associates include:
Companies that help your doctors get paid for providing health care, including billing companies and companies that process your health care claims
Companies that help administer health plans
People like outside lawyers, accountants, and IT specialists
Companies that store or destroy medical records
Covered entities must have contracts in place with their business associates, ensuring that they use and disclose your health information properly and safeguard it appropriately. Business associates must also have similar contracts with subcontractors. Business associates (including subcontractors) must follow the use and disclosure provisions of their contracts and the Privacy Rule, and the safeguard requirements of the Security Rule.
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I just looked at my card and it has my name, DOB, HRN, and dates and types of vaccination but that's all. I'm not sure what "valuable" information could be gleaned from my HRN (Health Record Number).
So I guess if someone asks for it, I might cover that info with my thumb or something., but I doubt they're going to record the information anyway.
Thanks for that info, MillCreek.
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The proper way to show proof of vaccination is with the middle finger and telling them to go *expletive deleted*ck themselves and leaving
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In my case, I'd tell them to contact the Chinese Communist Party as they already have all of my pertinent information from the breach a few years ago.
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^ Good point. One of those "worthy of a laugh" but not funny anyhow things.
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Actually, no. Only 'covered entities' are required to follow HIPAA, and a restaurant is not a covered entity.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html
Good info, thanks.
In my case, I'd tell them to contact the Chinese Communist Party as they already have all of my pertinent information from the breach a few years ago.
Same here, I think they even got my fingerprints as well.
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If someone at a restaurant asks me for this I'll just respond by asking for proof of their Hep A vaccination. Fair's fair.
FTFY
bob
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We are getting patients asking if the staff has been vaccinated, and if they have not, the patient asks for another staff member. We leave it to the staff member if they wish to disclose their vaccine status or not.
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I identify as vaccinated, Checkmate
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I identify as vaccinated, Checkmate
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
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I had knee surgery yesterday. At check in I tried to force MercyOne to scan my vaccination card and put it in my file. Mostly because I got tired of everyone from Mercy asking me if I have been vaccinated. They told me that didn't have a spot in their system for it.
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I had knee surgery yesterday. At check in I tried to force MercyOne to scan my vaccination card and put it in my file. Mostly because I got tired of everyone from Mercy asking me if I have been vaccinated. They told me that didn't have a spot in their system for it.
In the category of 'things I wonder about', I am going to ask our Epic people at work if we are equipped to deal with such requests. We routinely scan things into the patient charts, but I wonder if we have a specific place to put a vaccination record.
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I was cleaning out some boxes a while back and found a pretty full International Vaccine Record (The yellow one). maybe I will carry it and watch their confusion as they attempt to figure out just what I have had!
bob
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In the category of 'things I wonder about', I am going to ask our Epic people at work if we are equipped to deal with such requests. We routinely scan things into the patient charts, but I wonder if we have a specific place to put a vaccination record.
You probably don't have a place to park a scan unless it is somewhere under radiology images or something. What you can do is manually add vaccinations to the immunization record, the question is whether or not Epic has pushed through a patch to enable Covid vaccination status.
bob
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Our Epic install has a 'media' tab where scans are parked along with an indexing phrase. But of course, scans do not flow through Epic in terms of data entry. I can scan your pap smear results, but Epic does not identify this and enter it into the encounter to note that the pap smear was done and the quality metric satisfied. That has to be done manually.
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I smell an opportunity for an enterprising print shop . . . >:D
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We are getting patients asking if the staff has been vaccinated, and if they have not, the patient asks for another staff member. We leave it to the staff member if they wish to disclose their vaccine status or not.
If the patient has been vaccinated what is the point in knowing if the staff is? =|
Or are these anti-vaxxers? Or .... what? [popcorn] [tinfoil]
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I smell an opportunity for an enterprising print shop . . . >:D
Already happening in some places I understand.
bob
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If the patient has been vaccinated what is the point in knowing if the staff is? =|
Or are these anti-vaxxers? Or .... what? [popcorn] [tinfoil]
Last time I looked at the data, in this county, approximately 25% of the population has been fully vaccinated. I have no data on this, but I wonder if the people asking are unvaccinated, and looking to cut their risk.
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We are getting patients asking if the staff has been vaccinated, and if they have not, the patient asks for another staff member. We leave it to the staff member if they wish to disclose their vaccine status or not.
Surprised. I kind of figured all Health Care workers would have got the shots first thing, toot sweet. And be reasonably enthusiastic about the vaccines. What am I misunderstanding?
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Surprised. I kind of figured all Health Care workers would have got the shots first thing, toot sweet. And be reasonably enthusiastic about the vaccines. What am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding health care workers. There are some special ones out there.
According to Mrs. Mush, the hospital she works at is like 61% of employees vaccinated, and new vaccinations have slowed to a crawl.
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Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
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Leeloo Dallas... COVID Pass!
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For those of you with two shots in and a card to show it, my doc advised against laminating the card. A booster shot is likely to be needed.
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^ Good advice about the lamination. My scanner is screwed up, but I planned on taking a photograph and printing it out sized to fit in my wallet filler. The original card is a pussyhair too big.
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Right now, at our local hospital, we are running at about 74% of staff receiving at least one COVID vaccination. The majority of people who have not received any vaccine are nursing staff. Vaccination rates amongst the medical staff, technicians, and support staff are higher. We are in the process of doing some surveys to determine why our staff are choosing not to be vaccinated. I will say that based on my experience over the years, nursing staff being anti-vaccine of all types is nothing particularly new.
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My vaccination card sits in my gun safe next to my passport. No plans on carrying it. Our infamous governor finally decided to let the rest of Ohio open up come 2 June.
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My vaccination card sits in my gun safe next to my passport. No plans on carrying it. Our infamous governor finally decided to let the rest of Ohio open up come 2 June.
Plus how much money is he throwing around to incentivize people to get the vaccine.
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For those of you with two shots in and a card to show it, my doc advised against laminating the card. A booster shot is likely to be needed.
Wife said a local copy shop (don't remember which one) will make a copy and laminate the copy for free.
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If you ask for empirical data about the virus, you're a conspiracy freak.
And... Until last week, NOBODY under age 40 had been reported in St. Louis City as having died with the 'Rona. We have a new mayor now, and it looks like they fixed that. Five between 30 and 39, and the overall graph looks smoothed too.
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I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!! >:D [popcorn] [tinfoil]
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I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!! >:D [popcorn] [tinfoil]
Here you go: https://officialhodgetwins.com/products/white-privilege-card?_pos=1&_sid=c1a805ad0&_ss=r
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The proper way to show proof of vaccination is with the middle finger and telling them to go *expletive deleted*ck themselves and leaving
I plan to go with "that's none of your business" and a smile.
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LOTS of people "in the business" aren't fans of a rushed vaccination.
I'm doing it because I don't want to get passed over at the job.
Period. I figure I'll chance whatever adverse effects. Last time I passed on medicrap ("Have a full physical, free of charge, covering anything and everything), I got laid off...
It'll be interesting to look at the overall statistics (and if you look at that, you're a conspiracy theorist...) regarding overall societal morbidity vs. morbidity from the vaccinated target population.
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So, Virginia's going to be dropping the mask mandates statewide in a few days...
I can't do it. I can't go back to living in free face society...
I've worn a mask so much, and washed my hands so many times, that I now self-identify as a raccoon.
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If the patient has been vaccinated what is the point in knowing if the staff is? =|
Or are these anti-vaxxers? Or .... what? [popcorn] [tinfoil]
The opposite, I expect.
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So, Virginia's going to be dropping the mask mandates statewide in a few days...
Missouri never had one, but our county just suddenly dropped its mask mandate this past Friday. Not sure how the businesses around here will respond.
The county's rule was imposed back in early July. Then a few days ago, the attorney general filed suit against the county, demanding to know the scientific basis for the county's restrictions. I don't know if that was the real catalyst, or if Wal-Mart and Trader Joe's were pushing for it.
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No mask mandate, but a LOT of people are still wearing them. Some of them are Karen.
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I went out shopping yesterday. Mask in my shirt pocket. Most of the stores have taken down their mask signs; employees still wearing masks (I asked one and they are still required to by mgmt) and customers maybe 50%.
My church took the required sign down a week ago and put one up that our posted covid policy is "Masks are recommended" Almost nobody wears a mask. (nobody wearing a mask just started a week ago) I was going to tell the pastor that he should reword that and say "encouraged" rather than "recommended", because if they are really recommended the church officers should follow our own recommendations. But now I think we should just take the sign down completely.
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I was just looking to see if I can finally start going* to my favorite downtown Boise brew pubs again for a burger and beer. Most of them appear to have put up notices that they are back to normal, but one of the more popular ones had a notice that "due to the concerns of our employees, masks will still be required when not seated at your table". Which, that whole walk 20 feet to your indoor table, then you're suddenly safe thing was one of the biggest piles of unscientific bullshit in this whole thing.
So I won't be visiting that one till they change their snowflake employee rules, but Ten Barrel Brewing is advertising a Summer kolsch they make where they donate part of the sales to local fish habitat, and dropped their mask rules, so I'll be visiting them. I like a good kolsch for lunch. Refreshing, low ABV and not bitter.
* I could have been going to them already for the last half year at least, but the stupid rules killed the ambience for me. I went a few times to meet friends for lunch, but when I go by myself, during covid I was persona non-grata, since sitting at the bar was closed and they didn't want to give a table to a single diner. In the meantime, I was going to the local diner all the time, where neither customers nor employees were wearing masks for the most part.
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Our local health system has a conference call at 0700 tomorrow morning to discuss masking, but I bet cash money we will continue masking requirements in our facilities as per the new CDC guidance. As far as we have heard, every other healthcare facility in our area is doing the same.
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Just got back from Total wine. Sign says mask required for those not vaccinated. No questions nor dirty looks.
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You're misunderstanding health care workers. There are some special ones out there.
According to Mrs. Mush, the hospital she works at is like 61% of employees vaccinated, and new vaccinations have slowed to a crawl.
Maybe they're a-skeerdy of the needle.
For myself, at 82 yo with both Pfizer shots, I'm going to continue wearing a mask indoors as long as anybody's wearing them. My county went "all clear" last week, not sure what the State (Colorado) is doing, but I think His Governorship declared an all clear for the state as well. King Soopers is/was still requiring them for their employees. Last I was in one was Friday, 14 May, so I don't know what's cooking up to the milliminute.
I did put a trimmed-to-fit photo of my vaccination card in my wallet. If the pic is not satisfactory to anyone who asks for a vaccination card, OK, I'll just put my mask on and continue doing my business. No sense shoulder-chipping my way through life.
Terry, 230RN
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I did put a trimmed-to-fit photo of my vaccination card in my wallet. If the pic is not satisfactory to anyone who asks for a vaccination card, OK, I'll just put my mask on and continue doing my business.
What you should do is burn it.
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this nonsense is going to go away, here in reno, the cool people are just going around maskless and ignoring the drama.
we just say "yeah yeah im vaccinated/exempt" and its all wink wink nudge nudge
if asked for proof "the dog ate my vaccine card" lost it/its in the car/its in my underwear-but no one ever goes that far - this nonsense will not be a thing in another yr or two - if it is i will consider a vax then - washing my hands and taking vitamins works fine for me for now
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this nonsense is going to go away, here in reno, the cool people are just going around maskless and ignoring the drama.
we just say "yeah yeah im vaccinated/exempt" and its all wink wink nudge nudge
if asked for proof "the dog ate my vaccine card" lost it/its in the car/its in my underwear-but no one ever goes that far - this nonsense will not be a thing in another yr or two - if it is i will consider a vax then - washing my hands and taking vitamins works fine for me for now
A nods as good as a wink to a blind bat.
I kinda like my mask when I'm wearing my SAA. The. Tellers at the bank think it funny also.
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this nonsense is going to go away, here in reno, the cool people are just going around maskless and ignoring the drama.
we just say "yeah yeah im vaccinated/exempt" and its all wink wink nudge nudge
if asked for proof "the dog ate my vaccine card" lost it/its in the car/its in my underwear-but no one ever goes that far - this nonsense will not be a thing in another yr or two - if it is i will consider a vax then - washing my hands and taking vitamins works fine for me for now
Please don't do that. Tell them the question is inappropriate, and it's none of their business.
If that fails, tell them you're an undocumented American, a dreamer. =)
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Tell them you are transvaxxed, and you identify as vaxxed.
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Tell them you are transvaxxed, and you identify as vaxxed.
:rofl:
Excellent.
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Just got back from Total wine. Sign says mask required for those not vaccinated. No questions nor dirty looks.
Starbucks announced the same rules for all their stores. Don't ask, don't tell, basically.
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"Don't ask, don't tell" is really not a bad policy. Not sure why it got so much hate when the military did it.
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Tell them you are transvaxxed, and you identify as vaxxed.
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