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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 15, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
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...Defend itself?
I found this interview interesting, especially in how hard CNN was attempting to portray Israel as a war crime state. I saved it at the part that showed the reporter's bias, but there is more before that.
https://youtu.be/YUASDZhUVuU?t=199
Whatever you may think of Israel, what are they supposed to do? Everyone (from a certain side(s) ) is telling them to do nothing. They are just supposed to let themselves be bombed? How is the blame not on Hamas for how they place their launch sites and how they use human shields to protect those sites? There is no way to "only attack military targets" if the aggressor is launching all its attacks from "civilian" infrastructure.
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It's always amused me how everyone gets all pissed with Israel for defending themselves, but none of them are brave enough to send in "peace keeping" troops.
Because deep down they know that the IDF would borehog them beyond all recognition.
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Orange man Israel bad!"
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv051221dAPR20210513044513.jpg)
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Kinda hoping at some point we get no more Mr. Nice Jew. Heard a news report on the radio, the bias is insane.
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Yeah.
I looked it up on the Huffpost for some reason a few days ago.
The headline?
ISREAL KILLS NINE CHILDREN.
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...Defend itself?
I found this interview interesting, especially in how hard CNN was attempting to portray Israel as a war crime state. I saved it at the part that showed the reporter's bias, but there is more before that.
https://youtu.be/YUASDZhUVuU?t=199
Wow! She really worked extra hard to escape and evade every valid point he raised. I wonder if she has any understanding of just how idiotic she looked.
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Hamas Lives Matter
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Jack Crosbie
@jscros
just saw a conservative on this site say "property destruction is not violence" in response to israel destroying the AP offices in gaza with an airstrike and my brain instantly melted into a smooth glowing orb
Samuel Culper 722, also on GAB @politiwars
@politiwars
Replying to @jscros
They have insurance don't they?
3:04 PM · May 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/15/liberals-brain-melts-after-hearing-a-conservative-say-property-destruction-is-not-violence/
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I don't have a dog in this fight.
"Our greatest ally" is perfectly capable of fending for itself, and should. They were handed territory, let them defend it. I recognize right of conquest, they can figure that *expletive deleted*it out.
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I've come to the realization that if there's another Holocaust, it's going to be led by American liberals.
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I've come to the realization that if there's another Holocaust, it's going to be led by American liberals.
They are the slow death by insanity holocaust.
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AOC wants to impeach Biden over Israel
Impeach! AOC angry Biden admin ‘can’t stand up to an ally’ after Israel leveled Gaza building
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/15/impeach-aoc-angry-biden-admin-cant-stand-up-to-an-ally-after-israel-leveled-gaza-building/
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They were handed territory, let them defend it. I recognize right of conquest, they can figure that *expletive deleted*it out.
This.
Let both sides takeoff their gloves and go at it. One round only. Winner take all. Last politically-defined State still standing wins.
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Chad Felix Greene 🇮🇱
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I can't decide if AOC is the David Hogg of Congress or if Hogg is the AOC of Harvard.
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Apartheid states aren’t democracies.
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AOC wants to impeach Biden over Israel
Impeach! AOC angry Biden admin ‘can’t stand up to an ally’ after Israel leveled Gaza building
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/15/impeach-aoc-angry-biden-admin-cant-stand-up-to-an-ally-after-israel-leveled-gaza-building/
I want to impeach Biden too, just not for the same reason ..... [tinfoil] [popcorn]
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I want to impeach Biden too, just not for the same reason ..... [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Can you impeach an illegitimate pretend president?
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Can you impeach an illegitimate pretend president?
More like the argument that has been made for executing mentally deficient death row inmates. Can you really impeach him if he doesn't know what's happening?
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More like the argument that has been made for executing mentally deficient death row inmates. Can you really impeach him if he doesn't know what's happening?
I was alluding to impeaching a past president. But you can't impeach a non president, so since biden isn't a real (legitimately elected) president couldn't that be used as a defense by his counsel? ;)
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More like the argument that has been made for executing mentally deficient death row inmates. Can you really impeach him if he doesn't know what's happening?
Not really the same anyway. One is whether or not to inflict a death sentence. The other is just telling him to go home and don't bother anyone anymore.
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But then we get the true idiot.
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Heard a news report on the radio, the bias is insane.
Really helps one understand the simpatico between Israel & Trump.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/oops-ap-reporter-forgets-to-remove-hamas-headband-before-going-live
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/alg051721dAPR20210517044505.jpg)
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I promise, this is not the one land dispute in the mideast that it makes sense to pick sides.
The extant to which this isn't our problem can not be overstated.
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I promise, this is not the one land dispute in the mideast that it makes sense to pick sides.
The extant to which this isn't our problem can not be overstated.
Yet we never just stay out of it and let them fight it out to the finish.
https://babylonbee.com/news/israel-to-buy-weapons-from-america-with-money-given-to-them-by-america-to-shoot-down-iranian-rockets-paid-for-by-america
Israel To Buy Weapons From America With Money Given To Them By America To Shoot Down Iranian Rockets Paid For By America
"Yeah," said the expert, "the entire conflict is pretty much a proxy war between Democrats and Republicans at this point."
Some in America have started a petition to bring those dollars back to America so Democrats and Republicans can just shoot rockets at each other here at home.
=D
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"Yeah," said the expert, "the entire conflict is pretty much a proxy war between Democrats and Republicans at this point."
Some in America have started a petition to bring those dollars back to America so Democrats and Republicans can just shoot rockets at each other here at home.
Wait, that's an option? RPGs are really handy, if they're just going to hand them out..
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We can absolutely pick a side. I'm not one who thinks Israel is our greatest ally by any stretch but we have on one side a relatively free society that acts to first world standards. One all the world powers helped bring into being mainly because they didn't want the Jews either. On the other we have terrorists. Tired of the moral equivalence BS.
As a country we could start by not sending the PA and Iran a dime. Crushing sanctions and more of them. Same with China, don't do business with them. I guess we can turn a blind eye to attempts at genocide, but not like it will stop when there is no Jew in the world. They'd rather be attacking us anyway, Israel is just more convenient.
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Wait, that's an option? RPGs are really handy, if they're just going to hand them out..
Ehh, I'm holding out for a strela-2. [ar15]
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Ehh, I'm holding out for a strela-2. [ar15]
SAMs have their place, I'd love a pallet of them for anti drone use. RPGs are more utilitarian.
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I promise, this is not the one land dispute in the mideast that it makes sense to pick sides.
The extant to which this isn't our problem can not be overstated.
Short, pithy and 100% correct.
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At some point, I would be in favor of just telling both sides to fight as long as they want and stay out of it until they are done.
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I'm fine with the US staying out of it, which also means not nagging Israel.
As a private citizen though, I get to choose sides. So when I see Hamas using human shields, and Israel sending out countless warnings before they destroy infrastructure, and Israel just wanting to be left alone while Hamas calls for its extinction, I can decide which side more closely aligns with my own philosophy.
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IDF takes out Hamas rocket site:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-gL21TynZc
Politics aside (yeah right), I must say I'm impressed with the precision of the strike.
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“Whenever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America’s heart, her benedictions and her prayers. But she does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the wellwisher to freedom and independence for all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She well knows that by once enlisting other banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extridition, in all wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom….She might become the dictress of the world but would no longer be ruler of her own spirit….Americans should not go abroad to slay dragons they do not understand in the name of spreading democracy.”
John Quincy Adams
Any would be politician in the country should be forced to memorize this quotes and those like it from the Founders. Wise men.
Entangling alliances have us good and truly boned.
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Good quote.
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Any would be politician in the country should be forced to memorize this quotes and those like it from the Founders. Wise men.
Entangling alliances have us good and truly boned.
So .... in a situation where a allied nation is defending against a terrorist group .... we should be neutral? ? ? ???
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Cue the meltdown
Breaking911
@Breaking911
President Biden pledges to "replenish Israel's Iron Dome system to ensure its defenses and security in the future."
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/20/uh-oh-bidens-pledge-about-israels-iron-dome-defense-system-is-guaranteed-to-spark-a-lefty-meltdown/
Now wait a minute, it's manufactured in Israel so how is Biden plan on replenishing it? Oh that's right $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
But by afternoon he never said it anyway
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So .... in a situation where a allied nation is defending against a terrorist group .... we should be neutral? ? ? ???
I think our allies have the ability to take care of their own problems. We may support them (which we do for Israel), but I think that is all that is necessary. I would say the same about Yemen.
I think that quote applies quite nicely to our national adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our leadership got our military bogged down trying to establish democracy amongst a bunch of Muslim tribes instead of focusing on a few basic goals and getting out. 20 years occupying a foreign country now.
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I think our allies have the ability to take care of their own problems. We may support them (which we do for Israel), but I think that is all that is necessary. I would say the same about Yemen.
I think that quote applies quite nicely to our national adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our leadership got our military bogged down trying to establish democracy amongst a bunch of Muslim tribes instead of focusing on a few basic goals and getting out. 20 years occupying a foreign country now.
While I do not defend some our our military adventures (think Iraq) and others were well-motivated but poorly prosecuted, I remain skeptical of the idea that "our allies have the ability to take care of their own problems," atleast as a universal statement. We were allied with England in the early 20th century, yet, were they really able to defeat the Third Reich without our help? ?
Our experience in WW1 soured us (naturally) to European wars to the degree Churchill quiped, "you can always count on America to do the right thing .... after they try everything else first."
Even the Japanese had invaded much of the western Pacific countries .... and we got annoyed and embargoed oil and steel.
But the Dec. 7th 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war on America quickly thereafter destroyed any illusion of noninterference or neutrality we had.
We needed the alliances we had to prosecute the war against Tojo and Hitler.
If we are today, to remain neutral in a world "Governed by the aggressive use of force," as Rush Limbaugh correctly pointed out, we'd be well advised to maintain a sufficient military to defeat a major enemy such as a bigger, badder China without the need of allies ..... for we might wind up with few of those.
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While I do not defend some our our military adventures (think Iraq) and others were well-motivated but poorly prosecuted, I remain skeptical of the idea that "our allies have the ability to take care of their own problems," atleast as a universal statement. We were allied with England in the early 20th century, yet, were they really able to defeat the Third Reich without our help? ?
Our experience in WW1 soured us (naturally) to European wars to the degree Churchill quiped, "you can always count on America to do the right thing .... after they try everything else first."
Even the Japanese had invaded much of the western Pacific countries .... and we got annoyed and embargoed oil and steel.
But the Dec. 7th 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war on America quickly thereafter destroyed any illusion of noninterference or neutrality we had.
We needed the alliances we had to prosecute the war against Tojo and Hitler.
If we are today, to remain neutral in a world "Governed by the aggressive use of force," as Rush Limbaugh correctly pointed out, we'd be well advised to maintain a sufficient military to defeat a major enemy such as a bigger, badder China without the need of allies ..... for we might wind up with few of those.
Terror attacks on an ally was mentioned which is what I was addressing, not all out war by someone like Nazi Germany.
I guess I did not read the quote as meaning we should have NO alliances or NEVER help allies, but we should do so reluctantly and be weary of getting entangled in foreign wars. I don't know if there was a way to avoid the cold war with the Soviets after WWII, but that is another mess we got entangled in for a quite some time. Perhaps future historians might have better access to records of all that and a different perspective.
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Right ....
But right now it seems there's a minor low level brouhaha over replenishing the IRON DOME missiles Israel has used in the past week plus of Hamas attacks. "The Squad", being antisemitic and, well, commie pinko stupid, are arguing we should not give Israel anything. This is symptomatic of a small part of what I'm saying. I don't think we need to go over there and stomp Hamas, certainly Israel is very capable of doing that, but we should certainly be helpful in replenishing ordnance.
But sooner or later, I think, we're headed for conflict, most likely with China. And it won't be like A'Stan or Iraq. It could be more like WW2 ....with actual ramifications for us, here, in America.
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But sooner or later, I think, we're headed for conflict, most likely with China. And it won't be like A'Stan or Iraq. It could be more like WW2 ....with actual ramifications for us, here, in America.
Perhaps. I think it is more likely with leftists undermining our military with social justice crap and other nonsense to the point there is a perception of weakness. Not to mention too many politicians and others who seem to be financially beholden to China.
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Right ....
But right now it seems there's a minor low level brouhaha over replenishing the IRON DOME missiles Israel has used in the past week plus of Hamas attacks.
As I stated in my post above to the best of my knowledge Iron Dome is manufactured in Israel so I'm not sure how we're going to replenishing it except maybe with $$$$.
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As I stated in my post above to the best of my knowledge Iron Dome is manufactured in Israel so I'm not sure how we're going to replenishing it except maybe with $$$$.
I can't say I know where the missiles are made. It would not surprise me if they were made in Israel because I do think they have the technical ability to make them ..... but otoh I did hear that news report and I wasn't making it up of whole cloth. It could be what Trump called "fake news? ?" =|
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So .... in a situation where a allied nation is defending against a terrorist group .... we should be neutral? ? ? ???
Yep. Couldn't possibly care less, and spare me the neocon callback to WW2, it's not remotely relevant or comparable.
While we're at it, What national interest does it serve to be allied with Israel? Alliances should be mutually beneficial. All we get is grief and debt.
THAT being said, the Izzys can push the Palestinians into the sea for all I care. The Palis are generally aholes, but they also have a legitimate beef. Let them and Israel sort it out without us.
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Good quote.
That and plenty more that the oligarchy in this country happily ignore :P
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Yep. Couldn't possibly care less, and spare me the neocon callback to WW2, it's not remotely relevant or comparable.
While we're at it, What national interest does it serve to be allied with Israel? Alliances should be mutually beneficial. All we get is grief and debt.
THAT being said, the Izzys can push the Palestinians into the sea for all I care. The Palis are generally aholes, but they also have a legitimate beef. Let them and Israel sort it out without us.
Good to know where you stand on the matter of good vs. evil. >:D
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Good to know where you stand on the matter of good vs. evil. >:D
I got buffaloed by that same bullshit argument out of highschool and wasted 4 years of my life in the USMC, don't even try me.
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Sorry you feel that way.
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I at least stood for my misguided convictions. What's your excuse?
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TommyGunn, You were happy to throw "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR ALLY" in my face, but you haven't responded to my answer. So I'll post it again.
While we're at it, What national interest does it serve to be allied with Israel? Alliances should be mutually beneficial. All we get is grief and debt.
I'd love an answer to this, because for the life of me, I can't find one.
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I'll give you my answer. They screw with Iran since we won't really do it.
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TommyGunn, You were happy to throw "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR ALLY" in my face, but you haven't responded to my answer. So I'll post it again.
I'd love an answer to this, because for the life of me, I can't find one.
You can do without the snark.
I explained myself already, you just don't accept it.
If you don't understand how having Israel as an ally is a benefit to both Israel and America, I doubt anyone can.
Having an ally there, in a region surrounded by terrorists and usually antagonistic Islamists can be beneficial to us as a base for intelligence gathering, both ways.
And please don't wax eloquent about how Israel has spied on us. The British Government has spied on us. Any government sophisticated and advanced enough to develop an intelligence operation spies on others, both friendlies and antagonists.
That's one way they're a benefit ..... though I have doubts you see it that way.
We should agree to disagree if you don't accept this. Continuing this goes nowhere good.
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Yep. Couldn't possibly care less, and spare me the neocon callback to WW2, it's not remotely relevant or comparable.
While we're at it, What national interest does it serve to be allied with Israel? Alliances should be mutually beneficial. All we get is grief and debt.
THAT being said, the Izzys can push the Palestinians into the sea for all I care. The Palis are generally aholes, but they also have a legitimate beef. Let them and Israel sort it out without us.
I don't think the Palestinians have a legitimate beef at all anymore. They spent decades being used as political tools by the ME nations who were belligerent to Israel. Now they have a place to stay and are still political tools used by their own leaders they elected.
IMO, the biggest use to us of Israel is being targets for all the ME terrorists. If Israel wasn't there, more of them would be targeting others including us.
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IMO, the biggest use to us of Israel is being targets for all the ME terrorists. If Israel wasn't there, more of them would be targeting others including us.
... and the Israelis are beta testing our weapons systems.
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You can do without the snark.
I explained myself already, you just don't accept it.
If you don't understand how having Israel as an ally is a benefit to both Israel and America, I doubt anyone can.
Having an ally there, in a region surrounded by terrorists and usually antagonistic Islamists can be beneficial to us as a base for intelligence gathering, both ways.
And please don't wax eloquent about how Israel has spied on us. The British Government has spied on us. Any government sophisticated and advanced enough to develop an intelligence operation spies on others, both friendlies and antagonists.
That's one way they're a benefit ..... though I have doubts you see it that way.
We should agree to disagree if you don't accept this. Continuing this goes nowhere good.
You know what? *expletive deleted*ck it. I don't have a bone to pick with you but that's all BS.
You haven't "explained yourself" yet. You've talked down to me, implied that since I don't share your views on Israel I'm basically a Nazi, and dodged my questions. Way to make your point ;/
And don't you dare put words in my mouth. I've never said a thing about the Izzys spying on us. Which they do. Along with any competent nation. Did we shoot up any of their intel boats? Hint for you, the answer is no.
There wasn't snark prior to this, but you've definitely earned contempt.
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I have NEVER called you a nazi. I did say if this continued it wouldn't go well.
Thanks for proving me correct. ;)
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I have NEVER called you a nazi. I did say if this continued it wouldn't go well.
Thanks for proving me correct. ;)
Good VS Evil quote.
Good to know where you stand on the matter of good vs. evil. >:D
Irrelevant bunch of nonsense referencing WW2 and our contribution VS the Nazis.
While I do not defend some our our military adventures (think Iraq) and others were well-motivated but poorly prosecuted, I remain skeptical of the idea that "our allies have the ability to take care of their own problems," atleast as a universal statement. We were allied with England in the early 20th century, yet, were they really able to defeat the Third Reich without our help? ?
Our experience in WW1 soured us (naturally) to European wars to the degree Churchill quiped, "you can always count on America to do the right thing .... after they try everything else first."
Even the Japanese had invaded much of the western Pacific countries .... and we got annoyed and embargoed oil and steel.
But the Dec. 7th 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war on America quickly thereafter destroyed any illusion of noninterference or neutrality we had.
We needed the alliances we had to prosecute the war against Tojo and Hitler.
If we are today, to remain neutral in a world "Governed by the aggressive use of force," as Rush Limbaugh correctly pointed out, we'd be well advised to maintain a sufficient military to defeat a major enemy such as a bigger, badder China without the need of allies ..... for we might wind up with few of those.
Your words. Much snark. Which you simultaneously don't like but use.
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That is still not calling you a Nazi, though. I'm sorry if you took it that way, but your reasoning is deficient if you did.
Unfortunatly, .... or whatever .... the Nazis were the penultimate icon of evil, atleast in modern europe.
Where you stand on the question of good vs. evil? To be specific, the appropriate answer is:
NEUTRAL
Sorry if that went over your head. I don't personally consider "neutral" a good place to be ..... but it does eliminate any possibility of your being nominated for a position in the Einsatzgruppen. [tinfoil]
As for WW2 and Nazis being "irrelevant," (would you have prefered Ghenghis Kahn? :angel: ) I don't see why they'd be irrelevant. 1. The Nazis where allied with Islamic extremism. 2. To me, atleast, the biggest difference is scale. Both represent evil, expansionist ideologies which only offer oppression and death to the world, especially to those who do not fall in line with their agenda.
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This one is going downhill, so I'm gonna shut 'er down.