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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: sumpnz on September 18, 2021, 10:48:36 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/prosecutors-cant-show-kyle-rittenhouse-proud-boys
Looks like Kyle Rittenhouse might have a halfway decent judge for his trial. Judge says persecution can’t use at trial any affiliation with the Proud Boys, or the alleged altercation with a female (which now appears to have been in defense of his sister, not some random or “racist” assault) from a month or so before the Kenosha shootings. And while he deferred ruling on a video where Rittenhouse said he would like to shoot looters, the judge did say he was inclined to exclude that too.
There’s also a motion to dismiss the underage possession charge that has been deferred. Be interesting to see if that gets tossed. From my reading of the relevant WI law I think it should be. Granted, I think all of the charges should be dismissed.
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There’s also a motion to dismiss the underage possession charge that has been deferred. Be interesting to see if that gets tossed. From my reading of the relevant WI law I think it should be. Granted, I think all of the charges should be dismissed.
Regardless of any "dumb kid" stuff he did before or after the incident, every bit of evidence shown to the public so far shows a clear case of self defense. He should be found not guilty. I imagine that there will be George Floyd levels of "peaceful" protests when that happens.
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If he gets off the autistic screeching from the left will be beyond any level seen previously
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Who should be on trial is the Democrat Governor that allowed these violent and destructive ‘protests’ to go on for political gain. If the governor had been doing his job, Kyle wouldn’t have been there and armed to begin with and wouldn’t have had to face down multiple violent threats against him.
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If he gets off the autistic screeching from the left will be beyond any level seen previously
Russians!
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Regardless of any "dumb kid" stuff he did before or after the incident, every bit of evidence shown to the public so far shows a clear case of self defense. He should be found not guilty. I imagine that there will be George Floyd levels of "peaceful" protests when that happens.
The deceased scumbags were white, so maybe not.
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This sounds like good news for Kyle. I hope it turns out that way and some "politician" doesn't try to pull the rug out from under him and his attorneys.
Rather than quote all the previous posts, I'll just say I agree with all of them. Keep us posted as this is the first news I have heard about this in weeks. [popcorn]
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persecution
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I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...
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I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...
They probably will -- that's firmly established legal precedent (if not principle). It shouldn't make any difference. Rittenhouse was assaulted, and he acted in self defense. That's all that should matter.
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I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...
Hmmmm. . . good question. Thinking back to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin incident, I remember the press and the prosecution were digging deep into Zimmerman's past, hoping they could portray him as some sort of white hispanic mixture of Simon Legree, David Duke, and (of course) Hitler. This was considered right and proper. But when the defense happened to mention that THC from pot smoking was found in Martin's autopsy, and when unflattering pix of Martin began circulating on the internet, the press and prosecution were apoplectic in their outrage.
I won't be surprised to see something similar in the Rittenhouse trial - but without the racial component since shooter and shootees weren't black. (On the other hand, it WAS a typically peaceful BLM protest, right?)
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Force Expert: Rittenhouse Decisions to Shoot Were Reasonable
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-10-04/rittenhouse-due-in-court-for-likely-final-motions-hearing
KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — An Illinois man who shot three people during a protest over police brutality in Wisconsin last year was justified because the men confronted him and two of them tried to wrestle his gun away, a use-of-force expert called by the defense testified at a pretrial hearing Tuesday.
While I agree that Rittenhouse's actions were justified, I'm not sure what difference it will make. This is a political prosecution, so the facts don't really matter.
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Even if they let him go every SJW race baiting lawyer and activist within a 500 mile radius will make his life a living hell.
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Force Expert: Rittenhouse Decisions to Shoot Were Reasonable
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-10-04/rittenhouse-due-in-court-for-likely-final-motions-hearing
While I agree that Rittenhouse's actions were justified, I'm not sure what difference it will make. This is a political prosecution, so the facts don't really matter.
The main difference is none of the people shot were brown. Not sure if that will make a difference or not.
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The main difference is none of the people shot were brown. Not sure if that will make a difference or not.
They were there for a "brown cause".
I'm sure something along those lines will be used against him
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Why just "brown" and not "black"?!? Are you guys shading people?!? Racists! Nazis!
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I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears. Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.
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I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears. Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.
Both make the news from time to time usually after doing something stupid.
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Why just "brown" and not "black"?!? Are you guys shading people?!? Racists! Nazis!
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I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears. Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.
I dunno. I'm a firm believer in "not guilty" for this trial, but he's a kid, and has already made some dumb choices outside of this. I'm afraid he'll end up in the news like Zimmerman. Maybe not from consciously doing something stupid, but from "kid" doing something stupid. As an unknown kid, no one would take notice, because kids do dumb stuff, but he is going to be followed around by media for years.
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I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears. Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.
He might not be allowed to disappear for a loooong time. If they have to the left will send useful idiots to bait him into doing something they can portray as stupid.
Zimmerman was stupid enough they didn’t need to bait him.
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I dunno. I'm a firm believer in "not guilty" for this trial, but he's a kid, and has already made some dumb choices outside of this. I'm afraid he'll end up in the news like Zimmerman. Maybe not from consciously doing something stupid, but from "kid" doing something stupid. As an unknown kid, no one would take notice, because kids do dumb stuff, but he is going to be followed around by media for years.
Yes, leftists can be hateful, vindictive, and hold grudges. Look at the one guy who shot at Zimmerman after seeing him driving around. He doesn't have to do anything stupid for this to follow him. That will happen no matter what.
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Young Mr. Rittenhouse will be going to jail. This is a political trial that he cannot win, regardless whether he is guilty or not. (For the record, I believe he acted in self-defense and is therefore not guilty.) He really needs to be thinking about how he is going to survive in the big house.
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Young Mr. Rittenhouse will be going to jail. This is a political trial that he cannot win, regardless whether he is guilty or not. (For the record, I believe he acted in self-defense and is therefore not guilty.) He really needs to be thinking about how he is going to survive in the big house.
The judge seems to be trying to be fair, unlike the Chauvin judge. So, maybe he has half a chance. Depends on the jury.
But I agree with you otherwise. If he does wind up in prison he will most likely spend a LOT of time in solitary confinement. For his safety. Which it will be to some extent, but also as a means of torturing him. The government in WI is not happy with him, obviously, and will do everything they can to break him.
He’s over 18 now, so he won’t go to juvie. His best bet will probably be to get with the Jesus freaks, or some non-gang group that can still offer a degree of protection if he’s not in solitary. Worst thing he could do would be to align with a white gang like Aryan Nation. That would just harden the perception that he was a white supremacist from the beginning.
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If he’s convicted on the murder/attempted murder/assault counts he will go to a maximum security prison. Violent offenses like that automatically get you sent there, regardless of any other potential considerations.
If he only gets convicted on the minor in possession of a weapon charge he likely would get probation or perhaps a short stint on a medium or even low security prison. That is a misdemeanor so I don’t think it’s possible to sentence him to more than a year, and doubtful could send him to maximum security on it alone.
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Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.
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Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.
Just needs to have one.
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Just needs to have one.
A dozen would be better.
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Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.
I'm not hopeful. From what I saw, the population there seems pretty progressive. I guess it depends on how far into the sticks the county there goes for if they will have a diverse jury pool.
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I'm not hopeful. From what I saw, the population there seems pretty progressive. I guess it depends on how far into the sticks the county there goes for if they will have a diverse jury pool.
Oh, they’ll have a “diverse” jury all right.
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I think Rittenhouse lucked out on this judge.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/26/judge-rules-that-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-can-refer-to-men-killed-during-kenosha-riot-as-rioters-and-looters-but-prosecution-cannot-call-them-victims/
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That link leads to a twitchy story on the Loudoun County school board hiding the recent sexual assaults. It's Twitchy's fault though, not your's, Ben. They goobered something up at their site.
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It goes straight to the Rittenhouse story when I click it. Maybe they had a glitch.
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Link works for me.
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It goes straight to the Rittenhouse story when I click it. Maybe they had a glitch.
Must have been. Link is working now.
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I think Rittenhouse lucked out on this judge.
I'm inclined to agree. The usual suspects on social media are losing their excrement over the ruling.
On a tangent: I have the impression that lots of people have already made up their minds on the matter: to some Rittenhouse is obviously guilty, to others he's obviously innocent. When the verdict is eventually reached, one group or the other will take it as proof that the system is irrevocably broken.
What that means for the future of our criminal-justice system is not promising.
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I'm inclined to agree. The usual suspects on social media are losing their excrement over the ruling.
On a tangent: I have the impression that lots of people have already made up their minds on the matter: to some Rittenhouse is obviously guilty, to others he's obviously innocent. When the verdict is eventually reached, one group or the other will take it as proof that the system is irrevocably broken.
What that means for the future of our criminal-justice system is not promising.
The future of our criminal justice system is a secondary effect. That such a large number of people are incapable of groking righteous self defense means our educational system is also irretrievably broken (not a surprise to anyone with school age kids). And that our media is also irredeemably opposed to freedom of, well, anything.
All of which means it’s only a matter of time until the whole damn thing comes crumbling down. It’s basically already there, just that enough people haven’t noticed yet.
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The future of our criminal justice system is a secondary effect. That such a large number of people are incapable of groking righteous self defense...
I suspect most of those people are unaware that Rittenhouse was even being attacked. They just think he was firing on the mostly peaceful demonstrators at the mostly peaceful demonstration.
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I suspect most of those people are unaware that Rittenhouse was even being attacked. They just think he was firing on the mostly peaceful demonstrators at the mostly peaceful demonstration.
The narrative that was and still is being pushed on Zimmerman is that he chased down a poor totally innocent 8 year old black kid that was minding his own business and then shot him in the back while he as on the ground. I'm sure that's the only version many have heard and anyone who questions that version is labeled a lying racist. Much the same is being done with Rittenhouse. Or for that matter in the Breonna Taylor case to a large extent as well.
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And Mike Brown and Jacob Blake.
EDIT: And going way, way, back, Rodney King.
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One point that I never see picked apart is that it is reported to this day that past tense scumbag #1 was unarmed and threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse. Okay, go get an empty dollar store bag and throw it. Now look at the video. Was that a bag or a brick wrapped in a bag?
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One point that I never see picked apart is that it is reported to this day that past tense scumbag #1 was unarmed and threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse. Okay, go get an empty dollar store bag and throw it. Now look at the video. Was that a bag or a brick wrapped in a bag?
Iirc he had just been released from a mental hospital or jail earlier that day. The bag held some of his personal stuff like toothpaste, hair brush, etc. Depending on what was in there it could have been enough weight to effectively throw.
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The thread title should be "Kyle trial." It rhymes! We should always refer to the mob's intended victim as Kyle, not Rittenhouse. This humanizes him, in the same way that referring to Martin as Trayvon humanized him, and made him more sympathetic. Americans must start to use language as a weapon, in much the same way the enemy does. (Without the chronic mendacity, of course.)
Iirc he had just been released from a mental hospital or jail earlier that day. The bag held some of his personal stuff like toothpaste, hair brush, etc. Depending on what was in there it could have been enough weight to effectively throw.
And if you're being mobbed by a bunch of fascists/racists, as Kyle was, you might feel it necessary to assume the worst about what might be in the bag. That's the kind of thing Leftists can't grasp, unless it happened to one of their own.
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And if you're being mobbed by a bunch of fascists/racists, as Kyle was, you might feel it necessary to assume the worst about what might be in the bag. That's the kind of thing Leftists can't grasp, unless it happened to one of their own.
I’m not sure he even realized at the time anything had been thrown at him. It doesn’t materially affect the righteousness of his self defense claim. Even had nothing been thrown he would have been fully justified in shooting ex-scumbag #1. That it was thrown makes it a little easier to show self defense but it isn’t necessary.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury. I need a volunteer for the skateboard demonstration...
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Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury. I need a volunteer for the skateboard demonstration... perhaps a member of the prosecution team will step forward?
Finished your sentence. ;)
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And to ensure firearms safety in the demonstration we've brought in a Hollywood actor and a professorial armorer both fresh off the Rust movie set.
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I remain deeply disappointed that there are multiple members on one of the pro-gun, pro-2A discussion forums who continue to pronounce -- in no uncertain terms -- that Rittenhouse is guilty of murder. When challenged, they just double down.
It's no wonder the Second Amendment is in trouble in this country.
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I remain deeply disappointed that there are multiple members on one of the pro-gun, pro-2A discussion forums who continue to pronounce -- in no uncertain terms -- that Rittenhouse is guilty of murder. When challenged, they just double down.
It's no wonder the Second Amendment is in trouble in this country.
I believe I have noticed that before. Some people seem to get in the mindset that if you self defense wasn't perfectly done it doesn't count. But I haven't read the comments you mention. Wonder if those people are not really as pro-2A, pro-self defense as they claim to be.
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I believe I have noticed that before. Some people seem to get in the mindset that if you self defense wasn't perfectly done it doesn't count. But I haven't read the comments you mention. Wonder if those people are not really as pro-2A, pro-self defense as they claim to be.
To put it bluntly, I think it comes down to their just not being nearly as intelligent as they like to think they are.
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We will see what happens now that the actual trial has started jury selection. [popcorn]
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Just watched Viva/Barnes. Defense just pushed out Barnes' team, and from the sound of it, just screwed up jury selection. =(
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Just watched Viva/Barnes. Defense just pushed out Barnes' team, and from the sound of it, just screwed up jury selection. =(
Explain please?
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Explain please?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8iX5eKXgA
Starts about 12 minutes in
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It appears the prosecution is off to a fine start, apparently not realizing that there is video evidence refuting what they are saying.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/02/hes-aware-this-is-all-on-tape-right-lead-prosecutor-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-kicks-things-off-by-lying-about-confrontation-with-rioter-who-was-killed/
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Thomas Binger, the lead prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, starts opening statements by saying Joseph Rosenbaum was unarmed when Rittenhouse shot and killed him: "This occurred after [Rittenhouse] chased down Mr. Rosenbaum and confronted him while wielding that AR-15." pic.twitter.com/Kl1U20n6At
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) November 2, 2021
He pretty much just copied the narrative from the Zimmerman trial. Just changed the names.
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How is such a blatant misrepresentation of known fact by the government prosecutor not considered malfeasance and a gross ethics violation? Just curious.
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How could someone that delusional maintain a law practice?
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How is such a blatant misrepresentation of known fact by the government prosecutor not considered malfeasance and a gross ethics violation? Just curious.
Laws are for punishing conservatives, that is why.
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I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.? Is that not a thing?
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I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.? Is that not a thing?
They're going to look pretty stupid when the defense roll the videos. Which BTW doesn't bother me in the least. They should look stupid for trying to pass off obvious BS as what happened.
I watched all this that night as it happened on a live feed.
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I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.? Is that not a thing?
If it's a thing, I suppose a good lawyer would chose to lie about something difficult to refute. A lawyer lying that gravity makes things go up looks pretty stupid when someone drops an apple on his head five minutes later.
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I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.? Is that not a thing?
Why would anyone ever think it is the duty of the public prosecutor to lie to juries to obtain a conviction?! That is the literal definition of prosecutorial misconduct.
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Why would anyone ever think it is the duty of the public prosecutor to lie to juries to obtain a conviction?! That is the literal definition of prosecutorial misconduct.
Yep.
http://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/10/30/rittenhouse-prosecutors-got-angry-when-witness-didnt-change-his-story/
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There can be no doubt that this kid showing up with a rifle to what he expected to be a riot was a dumb decision. Playing militia or whatever he was doing will have lifelong consequences.
That said, this case is in many ways the inverse Zimmerman. There’s video, and each person shot probably committed some form of crime immediately before being shot. The murder charges are a massive uphill battle for the prosecution.
If this had been in FL, it strikes me as very likely (unlike Zimmerman) the defense would have used a stand your ground hearing to try and get immunity from prosecution.
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The big question, to me at least, is will they be pressured to convict to prevent riots. I expect the prosecution will be dropping hints.
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There can be no doubt that this kid showing up with a rifle to what he expected to be a riot was a dumb decision. Playing militia or whatever he was doing will have lifelong consequences.
That said, this case is in many ways the inverse Zimmerman. There’s video, and each person shot probably committed some form of crime immediately before being shot. The murder charges are a massive uphill battle for the prosecution.
If this had been in FL, it strikes me as very likely (unlike Zimmerman) the defense would have used a stand your ground hearing to try and get immunity from prosecution.
So Trayvon beating the *expletive deleted*it out of Zimmerman wasn’t a crime?
Also, SYG doesn’t matter here either. Rittenhouse was literally running away and only fired when cornered. Even in a duty to retreat state he would have met the requirements for legitimate self defense.
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So Trayvon beating the *expletive deleted*it out of Zimmerman wasn’t a crime?
Also, SYG doesn’t matter here either. Rittenhouse was literally running away and only fired when cornered. Even in a duty to retreat state he would have met the requirements for legitimate self defense.
Zimmerman knew MartÃn was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.
You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.
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Zimmerman knew MartÃn was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.
You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.
Oy. Not this crap again. Zimmerman wasn’t chasing Martin with a gun drawn like some Hollywood douch. He was on the phone with the cops trying to give them an accurate location, and backed off when asked by the cops to do so. He was then confronted my Martin, who by then was itching for a fight. The gun only came out when Zimmerman reasonably perceived his life was in danger.
For Rittenhouse SYG might have applied if he’d shot someone that was trying to assault his position and was refusing to back down, but he was running away and trying to avoid a fight when his pursuers forced his hand. He wasn’t standing his ground, he was trying to get away.
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Zimmerman knew MartÃn was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.
You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.
I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.
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Oy. Not this crap again. Zimmerman wasn’t chasing Martin with a gun drawn like some Hollywood douch. He was on the phone with the cops trying to give them an accurate location, and backed off when asked by the cops to do so. He was then confronted my Martin, who by then was itching for a fight. The gun only came out when Zimmerman reasonably perceived his life was in danger.
For Rittenhouse SYG might have applied if he’d shot someone that was trying to assault his position and was refusing to back down, but he was running away and trying to avoid a fight when his pursuers forced his hand. He wasn’t standing his ground, he was trying to get away.
You are not understanding the difference between SYG the principle and SYG the procedure, whereby in FL a Judge can determine a person is immune from prosecution without ever putting tje case to a jury.
A SYG hearing, again, is one where you cannot be convicted, but if a Judge finds you were lawfully exercising a right to self defence, further prosecution is barred. You do not need to risk a jury not buying your story in order to defeat the charge before trial in FL.
The fact that Zimmerman had that option available and did not take it is the best refutation of your statement of facts in his case.
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I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.
I think you did not read what I said about the Rittenhouse case, or else you’d see how ridiculous it is to call that evaluation one that is “part of the minds of libtards.”
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So, Martin wasn't actually on a gay bashing tangent? Like what his lady friend suggested?
And... During the last bit of troubles here, one of the local stop'n'robs got looted two nights in a row. The third night, there was a guy sitting in the front door with an AR.
Was that a bad idea?
Didn't get looted again.
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I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.
"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you. I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.
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"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you. I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.
Okay then.
Guess Randy Weaver's wife shouldn't have made gestures like she was going to shoot at Lon, he didn't have any choice but to defend himself from her attempt on his life.
This is just my opinion and not in any way intended to distort historical fact in order to win an internet argument and push my politics.
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"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you. I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.
A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.
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A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.
That includes calling the Jan 6 events at the Capitol an "insurrection." Call it a "Disturbance" if you will, "Vandalism & Trespassing" is accurate, and I can even accept "Riot" even though I saw nothing on a level with the "peaceful protests" that gripped Minneapolis, Chicago, Portland, and other places. But a bunch of unarmed people who break a few windows, damage a few doors, and march around where they're not supposed to be before going back to their hotels to have supper and watch TV is the worst excuse for an "insurrection" I've ever seen or heard of.
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Zimmerman knew MartÃn was trying to get away from
him and gave chase.
That's completely untrue.
Zimmerman had been following (not "chasing") Martin, but had lost sight of him and was returning to his car. Martin circled around and ambushed Zimmerman.
You MUST know that -- it has been covered in extreme detail in multiple reports, even those not generally favorable or sympathetic to Zimmerman. What do you hope to accomplish by maintaining such a patently false narrative?
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Back to Rittenhouse -- coverage of Day 1 by attorney Andrew Branca:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-1-defense-dominates-opening-statements-first-witness-testimony/
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That's completely untrue.
Zimmerman had been following (not "chasing") Martin, but had lost sight of him and was returning to his car. Martin circled around and ambushed Zimmerman.
You MUST know that -- it has been covered in extreme detail in multiple reports, even those not generally favorable or sympathetic to Zimmerman. What do you hope to accomplish by maintaining such a patently false narrative?
Not to mention we have called out that error on this site a number of times, but it still keeps getting repeated.
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Obviously it would have been valuable to have De Selby testifying as a psychic witness during the Zimmerman trial.
What I've seen so far from the Rittenhouse trial is that the prosecutor appears to be very slick, although butts heads with the judge on procedural matters from time to time. The defense counsel doesn't have nearly as good delivery.
The judge seems to be doing his level best to ensure a fair trial but should probably pay less attention to the media coverage of the trial.
They just showed the FBI surveillance footage. If that was supposed to be their smoking gun they're screwed. Their claim is that it shows that Rittenhouse was chasing the child rapist prior to entering the parking lot, and that Mr. Molester let him run past then charged in behind Rittenhouse and started chasing him.
Yes, Rittenhouse was behind the boy diddler, but the video shows a lot of people running in the same direction and doesn't demonstrate to me that he was chasing the chomo. Rittenhouse didn't follow the rapist when he turned to the right beside some cars, and indeed Rittenhouse continued on past the diaper sniper. It was pretty obvious, though, when the scumbag decided to give chase to Rittenhouse. After that, everything is as shown by the other videos available.
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Also, Gaige Grosskreutz (blasted bicep dude) had a warrant issued for his phone after the shootings. It is interesting to note that the police did not execute that warrant because Gaige's lawyer complained about a Marcy's Law concern. The detective testified that he had never before had a signed warrant that they chose not to execute.
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A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.
De Selby trots that bit of fiction out annually. Not sure why he gets off on posting obvious lies, but here we are.
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De Selby trots that bit of fiction out annually. Not sure why he gets off on posting obvious lies, but here we are.
(https://assets.listia.com/photos/2320111/original.JPG?s=800x600g&sig=e9eeee0326e02a34&ts=1302794667)
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Are you accusing him of being a red head?
:P
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I too have suggested that he'd be happier molesting goats noisily crossing his bridge, but Zimmerman is his white whale.
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https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/live-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-day-2/
The persecutions “damning” infrared video in the link showing Rittenhouse as the “aggressor” and “proving” his “guilt”.
Now, call me crazy/deluded if you wish, but that video appears to show Rosenbaum lying in an ambush position and then chasing Rittenhouse once he has opportunity, leading to the fatal shooting. More like exculpatory evidence than anything else.
If Rittenhouse isn’t acquitted on the murder and related charges then self defense legal protections are in serious jeopardy. I think he should be acquitted on even the gun possession charge based on my reading of the relevant WI statute. But IANAL, so maybe I’m wrong on that. I suppose if he gets convicted on that one it won’t be a complete miscarriage of justice.
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Another link:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-2-did-prosecution-improperly-conspire-entire-trial/
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Kyle sure seems to have lucked out with that judge.
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https://youtu.be/e7p7xL9IYvk
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Another link:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-2-did-prosecution-improperly-conspire-entire-trial/
Well, the cell phone thing was certainly interesting. That, coupled with Marcy's Law, sure seems like maybe Binger has an agenda other than getting at the truth.
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Well, the cell phone thing was certainly interesting. That, coupled with Marcy's Law, sure seems like maybe Binger has an agenda other than getting at the truth.
I read an article a couple of days ago that described what happened to a photographer who had been covering the riot. Binger had him come in, and tried mightily to get him to change the written statement he had given to the police -- to make it more damaging to Rittenhouse. When the photographer [rightly] refused to change his story, the DA reportedly blew his top.
Found it: http://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/10/30/rittenhouse-prosecutors-got-angry-when-witness-didnt-change-his-story/
No, I don't think the prosecutor is interested in objective justice here.
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There’s a reason I’ve been referring to them as the persecution.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1455978695752097794
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https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/11/02/opinion-kenosha-mayor-who-let-city-burn-has-surrogate-in-rittenhouse-courtroom/
Quite a bit of nepotism in Kenosha.
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Left leaning
communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.
This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.
https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)
She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.
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Left leaning communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.
This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.
https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)
She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.
Well, her last name jives with her journalism ability.
If innocent until proven guilty, with his innocence bearing on the argument that he was defending himself, Kyle is in fact the victim unless proven otherwise.
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Left leaning communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.
This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.
https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)
She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.
From that article:
But Schroeder will allow Joseph Rosenbaum, 36; Anthony Huber, 26; and the injured Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, to be referred to as looters, rioters and arsonists in open court. Never mind that these victims – that word again – were never convicted (or even charged) of actual looting the night they were shot.
So tell me, what did they loot? Is there evidence to suggest they set things ablaze with criminal intent? Do videos exist showing them rioting?
Um.....Yes. Did you not watch the videos?
Also, I think it's fair to argue Mr. Grosskreutz got more than a presumption of innocence for his actions on the night in question.
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Also, I think it's fair to argue Mr. Grosskreutz got more than a presumption of innocence for his actions on the night in question.
Agreed, both on the part of Rittenhouse and the police.
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And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.
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Wow
Eyewitness testifies that Rosenbaum told him and Rittenhouse, “if I catch any of you guys alone tonight I’m going to f-cking kill you” pic.twitter.com/Z8uOkWoZRW
— Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) November 4, 2021
Now that it is confirmed Joseph Rosenbaum was one of the people shot and killed by alleged gunman Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, I filmed him earlier in the night taunting the armed civilians, saying, "Shoot me, n***a." pic.twitter.com/Nn2encm78Y
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) August 27, 2020
This is the prosecution's witness? Bizarre.
— Claudia (@JewsMatterToMe) November 4, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/04/eyewitness-testifies-that-man-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-threatened-to-kill-any-of-you-guys-he-caught-alone-that-night/
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And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.
I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all. Not quite the same thing.
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I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all. Not quite the same thing.
The judge in a SYG hearing can decide that the case is self defense. The judge can not determine that it is not self defense.
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As an aside about "laying low" after the trial, I just saw this in the local commie news:
https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/hotel-gun-conference-featuring-george-zimmerman-has-been-canceled/article_98c53cb2-c1b4-5809-b4c9-b8e77c1ce96c.html
Apparently Zimmerman (who actually seems to have been laying low for the last couple of years) was going to be a speaker, so the usual liberals in Boise harangued the hotel into canceling the conference.
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I'm enjoying the debates between the judge and the attorneys more than the repetitive witness testimony.
The prosecution wanted to get dead skateboard dude's great-aunt to testify to his bravery and heroism (thereby implying that his chasing Rittenhouse and trying to take his gun was true to character in a positive way) and after the jury was dismissed the defense read some testimony from a case against dead skateboard dude wherein said skateboard dude forced his brother and grandmother at knifepoint to clean a room, threatened to gut his brother like a pig, and threatened to burn the house down with them inside it. The defense said that if the witness could testify to skateboard dude's heroism then they wanted to bring up that less savory evidence. The judge ultimately said that the prosecution could decide whether they wanted to have the great aunt testify to bravery but he was likely to allow the evidence from the defense.
The prosecution decided to drop the question.
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A hero of the left. Netflix will be coming out with a movie of his life story soon.
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The guys who came up with skate or die never meant it to be that serious.
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Pedophile's fiancée testified. It's interesting how the prosecution are skirting some of the unpleasant details about pedo and his relationship with the fiancée which was - as I understand - strained to the point that there was some sort of order for him to not stay with her.
The prosecution is sweating because they brought up the fact that he was just home from the hospital. Defense wanted to use that as a reason to bring up that he was in a mental hospital which the judge didn't like, but then because medications were mentioned in testimony, they asked to be able to question the fiancée about the medication that the pedo had been taking or not taking. The judge allowed that, which introduced the fact that pedo was bipolar.
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I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose. Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction. But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.
However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.
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I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose. Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction. But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.
However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.
Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.
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Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.
That's actually possible if they were arm-twisted into bring this case and they know it's bogus. Nahhhh.... That can't be it.
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Day four through the eyes of Andrew Branca:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-4-two-state-blunders-create-opportunity-for-the-defense/
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timcast, a liberal i guess, agree's with us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GolZUeRBzZU
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Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.
Sleepers, starring Bacon, Pitt. Hoffman and DiNiro.
you can see the movie free on youtube, really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdiN_4gBWk
D.A purposely loses big case to right a wrong
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This case is a Kobayashi Maru for the prosecutor
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Might just be a loudmouthed attention whore, but serious if true. Claim is that jurors are being photographed for doxxing if Rittenhouse is not found guilty:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/07/man-claiming-to-be-related-to-george-floyd-says-he-knows-of-people-preparing-to-dox-rittenhouse-jurors-if-theres-a-not-guilty-verdict/
I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?
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"Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?"
Jury tampering and/or jury intimidation is a crime, yes.
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I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?
I don't see how this wouldn't.
Sadly probably nothing will be actually done about it for PC reasons other than lip service .
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One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.
Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle. Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob, or more people will do it. The little worker bees in black masks might not realize it, but those politicians and DA's do. If people can stand up to their unofficial army and win, it looses it's value.
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One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.
Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle. Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob,
standing against their mob
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The surviving person who Kyle shot is supposed to testify today. Wasn’t he the one that told his buddy after the shooting that “if I had another chance I’d kill him”? I’m sure he’ll make a great witness for the prosecutor
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Holy crap! You guys need to see the testimony, especially the first portion of the cross on Lefty. In a just world this would result in a directed verdict of not guilty on at least the murder charges.
https://youtu.be/XZEdgcTbJ4Q
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That testimony was.....not great for the state.
For those that don't want to scroll through the live feed the highlights are the defense got Grosskreutz (the dude shot in the arm) to confirm that an earlier person ran up to Kyle, didn't attack, and Kyle held fire, then he admitted that when he was shot, he was moving towards Kyle, three feet away, and pointing a loaded Glock at Kyle.
It seems al though after the lunch break the defense is going to ask him about his roommates tweet where he is quoted as saying that he regrets not mag dumping into Kyle. But honestly the "Moving forward and pointing a gun at him" part is probably all they needed. ADA Binger literally put his head in his hands at the prosecution table.
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The head in the hand moment:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1457774701673996298
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/08/prosecutors-literally-facepalm-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-should-be-over-immediately-following-this-bombshell-line-of-questioning-watch/
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That testimony was.....not great for the state.
For those that don't want to scroll through the live feed the highlights are the defense got Grosskreutz (the dude shot in the arm) to confirm that an earlier person ran up to Kyle, didn't attack, and Kyle held fire, then he admitted that when he was shot, he was moving towards Kyle, three feet away, and pointing a loaded Glock at Kyle.
It seems al though after the lunch break the defense is going to ask him about his roommates tweet where he is quoted as saying that he regrets not mag dumping into Kyle. But honestly the "Moving forward and pointing a gun at him" part is probably all they needed. ADA Binger literally put his head in his hands at the prosecution table.
What is that quote, 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. The risk manager generally recommends against pointing loaded firearms at other people, especially when the other people are holding ARs.
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Matt Deckard, Fact Checker & Anonymous Source
@MDApparel
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@thevivafrei
The Rittenhouse prosecution is going up in flames faster than a Kenosha business during a mostly peaceful protest.
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Just wondering - does anyone know of a similar group of woke folk dissecting the trial?
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Ah, WaPo. Never change:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/08/gaige-grosskreutz-says-he-feared-his-life-before-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-him-during-kenosha-unrest/
It's behind a pay wall, but really the headline is the funny part.
They neglect to mention that he also said he was pointing a gun at Kyle when he was shot.
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Ought to fear why he is not up on attempted murder charges and the civil suits I really hope Rittenhouse sends his way.
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Ought to fear why he is not up on attempted murder charges and the civil suits I really hope Rittenhouse sends his way.
I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.
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I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.
There's speculation elsewhere that he's a federal informant.
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I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.
I was under the impression that he was a felon in possession of a firearm. Is that not.the case?
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I was under the impression that he was a felon in possession of a firearm. Is that not.the case?
He's obviously the right kind of felon in possession.
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Lefty had a misdemeanor charge for being armed while intoxicated. But no felonies I’m aware of. But his ccw was expired so in addition to attempted murder/assault with a deadly weapon he should get a charge for illegally carrying concealed.
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Lots of little accounts on Twitter spittlescreeching that Lefty was a victim of a mass murderer...
I wonder how many of them are from boilerrooms...
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Anyone else get a nagging feeling that the
prosecutor persecutor doesn't give a damn because he already knows he will get full convictions on all counts in the case?
[tinfoil]
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Just watched the video and man, that “key witness” walked off looking like a fool. Even killed his $10 M lawsuit he had against Kenosha with his testimony……
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I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”
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He's obviously the right kind of felon in possession.
(((Hmmmm...)))
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Just for emphasis:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDsR4HVVkA48Q6B?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Just for emphasis:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDsR4HVVkA48Q6B?format=jpg&name=medium)
That was beautiful.
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Come on baby, lets do the twist
‘If you want to understand why no one trusts the press’: AG Hamilton looks at some headlines on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/08/if-you-want-to-understand-why-no-one-trust-the-press-ag-hamilton-looks-at-some-headlines-on-the-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/
https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1457822321465495556/photo/1
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I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”
Also, if he's such a dedicated medic, when Rittenhouse shot the skateboard dude, why didn't the dedicated medic rush to treat the skateboard dude instead of rushing to point a gun at Rittenhouse?
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I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”
I think that guy corrupted his own testimony and they got the key admission in before lunch (or so I heard). I think the defense can call him back later if they wish to, but they got the important part they needed (IMO). I would think going after every little point might get tedious and make the jury forget the main admission.
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I would think going after every little point might get tedious and make the jury forget the main admission.
That could be. It just stood out to me as a low hanging fruit to impeach his credibility.
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His credibility is already gone to anybody listening. He said he was approaching Rittenhouse because he was concerned for his (Rittenhouse's) safety after getting hit in the head with a skateboard. He had the gun in his hand because he thought there was an active shooter, but couldn't ever shoot someone because of his "do no harm" oath. And after chasing him (with a Glock in his hand), then backing away, he couldn't really explain why he lunged at Rittenhouse with his pistol accidentally pointed at him.
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His credibility is already gone to anybody listening.
I agree, but lawyers love to make explicit what should have been implicitly understood.
The judge mentioned at the beginning of the trial today that someone was videoing the jurors at the pickup and police forced them to delete the video. He also said he gave orders that if it happens again they are to take the phone.
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I agree, but lawyers love to make explicit what should have been implicitly understood.
The judge mentioned at the beginning of the trial today that someone was videoing the jurors at the pickup and police forced them to delete the video. He also said he gave orders that if it happens again they are to take the phone.
Sadly, if they already caught one guy, a half a dozen probably got away.
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That could be. It just stood out to me as a low hanging fruit to impeach his credibility.
He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?
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Sadly, if they already caught one guy, a half a dozen probably got away.
And, it’s not like it’s hard to stream it to a remote device. Hell, FB live would do that.
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The media is doing their thing. "Protestor" "Volunteer medic" "lone survivor". Also "He had a gun that he never intended to point at Rittenhouse". As for Kyle, "Heavily armed teenager".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/09/since-mainstream-media-claims-they-never-take-sides-heres-a-bunch-of-them-deliberately-spinning-rittenhouse-case-bombshell/
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He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?
Some folks actually think Rittenhouse might get acquitted. I'm not nearly so optimistic.
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More media:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458060865039749121
Terrorist, vigilante, the enemy, and he shot a guy with a skateboard.
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If you want to see the MSM "reporting" yesterday, watch this: https://youtu.be/uZcqJldagH0
(https://youtu.be/uZcqJldagH0)
Note the " "
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Remember that time when two New York white supremacist skyscrapers attacked two fully loaded airliners with POC on board?
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He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?
The point is to impeach Blasted Bicep Boy's testimony relating to his own actions. He was testifying that he was not chasing Rittenhouse, was not moving to shoot him, was not intentionally pointing his gun at him, and wouldn't have shot him regardless because of his medical oath.
If the defense had pointed out that his routinely carrying a loaded firearm specifically for the purpose of self defense conflicted with his stated position of "do no harm" and being unwilling to injure or kill someone then it calls into deeper question the truth of his statement about chasing Rittenhouse, moving to shoot him, and intentionally pointing a gun at him. Same reason they're trying to get his roommate's post about BBB saying his only regret was not emptying his gun into Rittenhouse admitted into evidence.
Earlier, there was another potential "gotcha" where BBB testified that he was not protesting and as a medic was treating people without respect to their affiliation, but also can be heard on the video calling out Rittenhouse for offering to help an injured protester because "we have our own medics". I didn't think that was as impactful and didn't mind them missing out on that. Of course, they did connect the dots on some of his hard left affiliations.
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Defense got the medical examiner to testify that the injury to the pedo's hand was either in contact or within a few inches of the barrel, and that the distance from the injury to the pelvis was between 1 foot and 4 feet.
The drone video (not the FBI's thermal, but another one) shows the pedo shooting from a better angle which still looks righteous.
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Judge Schroeder reveals someone filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse jurors when they were picked up by the bus this morning. Schroeder said deputies made the person delete the video and added more steps will be taken to prevent something like that from happening again.
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) November 9, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/09/julio-rosas-reports-that-judge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-said-someone-filmed-the-jurors-when-they-were-picked-up-by-the-bus-this-morning/
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Andrew Branca's take on day 6:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-6-another-disastrous-prosecution-day-states-autopsy-expert-supports-selp-defense-narrative/
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Oh dude, defense is getting ready to call Rittenhouse.
Bold move, Cotton.
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Oh dude, defense is getting ready to call Rittenhouse.
Bold move, Cotton.
I am surprised they would do that. Maybe they think he will do well.
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I don’t understand why they called him. They don’t need it. Hell, the defense could have rested with no witnesses at all and still had PLENTY for a full acquittal.
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Yikes. This is the chance for the prosecution to pull a a Grosskreutz on the defense. Rittenhouse is still a young kid. No matter how much they prep him, there is still a good chance that the prosecution can lead him to saying something stupid in cross-examination.
I agree that they should never have called him. I hope it doesn't backfire.
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He broke down in sobs partway through the defense questioning. Either it was rehearsed or he's likely to have trouble with the prosecutor.
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Interesting. It looks like this DA stinks to high heaven:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458188325676847105
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Cathy Russon
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#KyleRittenhouse - Judge sent jury out and warned Binger he's walking a fine line and may have cross it by continuing to bring up that this is the first time the defendant has told his story. Judge cites constitutional right to remain silent. @LawCrimeNetwork
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The left: Time to turn the jury intimidation dial to 11.
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Binger kept pushing Kyle to admit he was trying to use deadly force to protect property.
The judge told the jury to leave then absolutely tore into Binger. Literally yelling at him for failing to respect his previous rulings.
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use deadly force to protect property.
My how times have changed. Used to be you had the right to protect property and people's livelihood. Now it's considered a crime.
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This appears to show the pedophile getting shot:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458128554026147849
From the comments:
Bobby FAFO@BobbyFafo·22h
What do you mean I don’t respawn???
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This appears to show the pedophile getting shot:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458128554026147849
From the comments:
Looks like a clear case of Hands Up Don't Shoot. ;/
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Kyle needs to quit adding more to the answer than he needs to.
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I'm curious where the prosecutor is going with his ammo questions. He's really stressing the fact that Rittenhouse used FMJ and implying it was likely to pass through the target and hit another target. He was claiming hollowpoints would "explode inside the target" and full metal jackets were "designed to pass through and hit another target beyond". The judge shut him down on that and then called for a lunch break.
Probably trying to show danger to the reporter that was behind the pedo, but I am unaware of any passthroughs that caused injury to another person and many of the rounds that hit were actually contained within the person shot.
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I thought I read that the reporter took spall from either a pass through or a miss that hit the ground near him.
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"He was claiming hollowpoints would "explode inside the target" and full metal jackets were "designed to pass through and hit another target beyond"."
Just shows that he doesn't know jack about how .223 FMJ acts at close range.
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I thought I read that the reporter took spall from either a pass through or a miss that hit the ground near him.
As I recall, he testified that he felt something touch his legs as shots were being fired but received no injury.
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Video games.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458484389365563403
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The judge is dropping the hammer on this guy.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/10/youre-right-on-the-borderline-judge-in-rittenhouse-trial-drops-the-hammer-on-prosecutor-multiple-times/
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Judge to Prosecution:
"I don't believe you. There better not be another incident, I'll take the [defense's] motion under advisement and you can respond. When you say you were acting in good faith, I don't believe that."
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From what I've read elsewhere, the general rule is not to put the defendant on the stand. The one, big exception to that rule is self defense cases.
The defense is not trying to prove KR didn't shoot those people. The defense is trying to prove that KR acted in self defense. Putting Kyle on the stand gives the defense a chance to show Kyle's perspective of the danger and it will show what a reasonable person would do.
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In my vastly experienced jury mind not putting him up there would make me think there was something to hide. Doesn’t meet the standards of proof of course but jurors are stupid.
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The prosecutor keeps heavily insinuating that if you have a gun, then you must be actively expecting to use it.
I don't think Rittenhouse is doing particularly well in front of the prosecutor.
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I don't think Rittenhouse is doing particularly well in front of the prosecutor.
He has had his moments though. I loved his expression when dickweed asked him why he felt he needed to run towards a fire. "Uh, it's a fire?" :rofl:
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He has had his moments though. I loved his expression when dickweed asked him why he felt he needed to run towards a fire. "Uh, it's a fire?" :rofl:
How about the moment when Rittenhouse said one of the perps threatened to cut his heart out, and the prosecutor said they didn't need specifics like that. :rofl:
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Anybody got odds on a mistrial? Mistrial with prejudice?
The persecutor/ADA is an absolute enema nozzle.
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Video games.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458484389365563403
The prosecution questions Rittenhouse's choosing of an AR-15 because "it resembled the types of weapons that are used in first person shooter video games," in which gamers "pretty much shoot anyone who comes at you."
Oh good *expletive deleted*ing grief. :facepalm:
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Anybody got odds on a mistrial? Mistrial with prejudice?
The persecutor/ADA is an absolute enema nozzle.
Mistrial with prejudice? Never heard of such thing. You mean dismissed with prejudice? Maybe it's a distinction w/o a difference.
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If they get a mistrial would that not open up Rittenhouse to be more vulnerable to a more competent prosecution?
Right now the prosecution is doing a fine job of *expletive deleted*ing up their case so is it wise to interrupt them?
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Binger kept pushing Kyle to admit he was trying to use deadly force to protect property.
The judge told the jury to leave then absolutely tore into Binger. Literally yelling at him for failing to respect his previous rulings.
Watched that. It was.... Impressive. It got to the point I was almost starting to feel bad for Binger. Almost.
Ok, not really, but dayum, it was a beatdown.
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The prosecutor keeps heavily insinuating that if you have a gun, then you must be actively expecting to use it.
Unless you're an antifa medic with an expired carry permit who wouldn't ever actually shoot anyone because, you, know, "do no harm," of course.
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If they get a mistrial would that not open up Rittenhouse to be more vulnerable to a more competent prosecution?
A mistrial with prejudice would mean that Rittenhouse can't be tried again on the same charges.
However, I believe if the judge were to make such a ruling, the state could appeal it. Considering Binger's antics, I think they'd be crazy to appeal it. Judges don't like lawyers who ignore other judges' rulings.
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Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Binger: All he had was a handgun, why would you think he is a threat? You have an AR-15. Can you help me understand that?
Kyle: He was advancing at me with a gun in his hand
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/10/prosecutor-asks-kyle-rittenhouse-to-explain-to-him-why-hed-consider-a-man-with-only-a-handgun-a-threat-when-he-had-an-ar-15/
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Just saw that
Double Oh good *expletive deleted*ing grief :facepalm: :facepalm:
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More stupidity
Judge’s phone in Rittenhouse trial goes off, ringtone is Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to Be an American.”
pic.twitter.com/arts0bhxlr
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 10, 2021
The judge in the #KyleRittenhouseTrial has selected as his ringtone the anthem of the fascist Donald Trump, who attempted to overthrow the American government on January 6, 2021.
In other words, the judge is party to the same criminal cabal as the shooter. https://t.co/9TrgB1ctKS
— Andre Damon (@Andre__Damon) November 10, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/10/judges-phone-rang-during-rittenhouse-trial-and-some-find-the-ringtone-triggering/
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Mistrial with prejudice? Never heard of such thing. You mean dismissed with prejudice? Maybe it's a distinction w/o a difference.
My understanding is that a dismissal is due to lack of evidence, whereas the mistrial is due (in this case) by prosecutorial malfeasance in attempting to repeatedly ask questions that either are just plain not allowed (such as discussing the fact that Rittenhouse [was smart] and kept his mouth shut without an attorney present) or that the judge had already ruled on being off limits. Basically one opinion I saw was that the prosecution knows they have f'ed up so badly that they are intentionally trying to cause a mistrial to get a do-over, but the defense is having none of that and is basically saying that if they force a mistrial it needs to be granted with prejudice to prevent the prosecution from doing that.
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I have a headache now
What people could do with anger about the Rittenhouse trial is advocate for a law that says that if you bring a weapon to a public place where you know violence is basically guaranteed, you lose any self defense grounds
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 10, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/10/hot-take-its-not-self-defense-if-you-bring-a-weapon-to-a-place-where-you-know-violence-is-basically-guaranteed/
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https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1458603356721541126
"...Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor."
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Trial day 7 review
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-7-kyle-survives-abusive-3-hour-cross-examination/
"DON'T GET BRAZEN WITH ME!"
:rofl:
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A few points...
First, the prosecutor's question...it is not just a violation of the judge's ruling, it's a violation of Rittenhouse's Constitutional Right to Remain Silent under the 5th Amendment. I was a prosecutor, and that right there is one of the most basic rules of criminal trials...you cannot ask a defendant about remaining silent. Period.
Mistrial are not just a result of prosecution misconduct. Anything procedural that goes wrong during a trial that taints the jury's ability to fairly rule on a case can cause a mistrial. Often times, a mistrial can result from an honest mistake, so you basically start over with a new jury pool. An example I experienced was the judge, defense counsel and I discussing an evidentiary issue in the judge's chambers, not knowing the judge's wireless microphone had broken and was on (it would not turn off). The jury was in the courtroom and heard too much of the discussion before a deputy ignored the Do Not Enter sign on the office door and came in to tell us. Oops.
Now, if the judge declares a mistrial and dismissed the case with prejudice, it's done. The State cannot appeal, because it would amount to double jeopardy. That's why judge's very rarely dismiss with prejudice...fundamental fairness to both sides. But, given the way the judge ripped tge prosecutor's ass for this misconduct, I'll guess that it's possible but not likely. If there is a conviction, which I doubt, this will be on the appeal. And the judge knows this. And judge's don't like to have decisions reversed.
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Back when I was working for the newspaper I knew the guy who was sitting as the county judge. His family and my family had been friends for many years...
I forget the context of why I asked him, probably something that I had read on the AP news wires in my job as a reporter, but I asked him if he had ever dismissed a case with prejudice. He said that hardly any cases are dismissed with prejudice...
He also made the judge in the Rittenhouse trial look like a cuddly teddy bear most of the time. He was one grouchy SOB on the bench. :rofl:
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Oddly enough, I just found a news article about a case being dismissed with prejudice in Ohio earlier this month.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/menacing-case-against-local-jeweler-040100583.html
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I watched a lot of the trial from yesterday. The part I liked best was when the prosecutor asked Rittenhouse how he knew that it was illegal for him to have a pistol in WI but a rifle was OK. He answered that police officers told him that when they were shooting at the range. The prosecutor objected that it was hearsay, and the judge pointed out that he ask the question himself.
My experience in court cases is very limited, but I'll bet a judge doesn't rip into the prosecutor like that very often. He was almost speechless.
As an aside: Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?
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As an aside: Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?
He a leftist. The government (at many levels) has been quite happy to fund the activities of people like that via lawsuit settlements.
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"As an aside: Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?"
Wait, what?
He's filed a lawsuit against the state? I've missed that tidbit.
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Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.
A screenshot posted by Daily Caller shows no results when “Kyle Rittenhouse” is typed into the Facebook search bar and Fox News found the same result. The Epoch Times also found the same result.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html
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"As an aside: Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?"
Wait, what?
He's filed a lawsuit against the state? I've missed that tidbit.
State of WI, and the feds. $10m in each suit. That was a big part of the cross examination questions from the defense when he was on the stand.
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"Your Honor, the State would like to file an appeal of the not guilty verdicts in this case."
"Mr. Prosecutor, what are your grounds for the appeal?"
"Your Honor, the grounds are that we are a bunch of dumb asses."
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Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html
Are there any results if you search for the three people he shot in self defense?
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Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html
Remember it being reported FB classified him a "mass murderer" immediately after his name was released to the public
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How about the moment when Rittenhouse said one of the perps threatened to cut his heart out, and the prosecutor said they didn't need specifics like that. :rofl:
Years ago I was told that a cardinal rule for attorneys with witness at trial was, "If you don't know the answer, don't ask the question."
Case in point.
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My account on FB was permanently deleted because I was defending Rittenhouse's actions. Everything from 2009-2021 gone including posts from now dead relatives, and my FB messenger account. Almost solely because I defended the Kenosha kid. I also got dinged for a few spicy memes, and for talking about gun training. Even though it was a plain vanilla gun class. I guess at the end they were just piling on complaints.
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Oddly enough, I just found a news article about a case being dismissed with prejudice in Ohio earlier this month.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/menacing-case-against-local-jeweler-040100583.html
Interesting. Sounds like one of the golfers knew someone.
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Interesting. Sounds like one of the golfers knew someone.
If the golfers knew someone then the case wouldn't have been dismissed.
The charges were against the jeweler, who supposedly pulled a gun on the golfers.
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My account on FB was permanently deleted because I was defending Rittenhouse's actions. Everything from 2009-2021 gone including posts from now dead relatives, and my FB messenger account. Almost solely because I defended the Kenosha kid. I also got dinged for a few spicy memes, and for talking about gun training. Even though it was a plain vanilla gun class. I guess at the end they were just piling on complaints.
They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American... They didn't tell me exactly why, but I'm guessing he sent wayback machine, and reported everything. They did send me one link about selling gun parts. I made some muzzle brakes back around 2015 or so...
High school, college, work and army buddies, tons of photographs... business connections, etc... Gone.
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They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American...
Wonder if asking just where is African-America would get you banned?
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Grosskreutz made it to Good Morning America. Glad to see the media is being impartial.
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If the golfers knew someone then the case wouldn't have been dismissed.
The charges were against the jeweler, who supposedly pulled a gun on the golfers.
I was thinking in the prosecutor's office to actually get charges filed and the case brought to court. Obviously not the judge.
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They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American... They didn't tell me exactly why, but I'm guessing he sent wayback machine, and reported everything. They did send me one link about selling gun parts. I made some muzzle brakes back around 2015 or so...
High school, college, work and army buddies, tons of photographs... business connections, etc... Gone.
Which is why I every now and then will have FB bundle everything up, and I download it.
Settings, your facebutt information, view.
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Grosskreutz made it to Good Morning America. Glad to see the media is being impartial.
Did they bill him as the Hero Medic of Kenosha?
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To be honest, I'm surprised that I still have a Facespace account given some of the stuff that I posted/shared over the last couple of years.
I've really backed off in what I post, though, since I took my current job. They have a really stringent social media policy, and even though my account is locked down as tightly as I can get it... I simply don't trust it not to get back to my employer.
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Merriam Webster for some odd reason, really related to nothing, decided that today was a good day to highlight the definition, "crocodile tears".
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/11/did-merriam-webster-really-troll-kyle-rittenhouse/
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Binger just stepped in it again. The judge just yelled at him again but this time with the jury in the room, then sent them out.
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When you get your news from only certain sources:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/
And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:
Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.
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Binger just stepped in it again. The judge just yelled at him again but this time with the jury in the room, then sent them out.
What was the issue this time?
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When you get your news from only certain sources:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/
And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:
Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.
Many heroes of the left are, or were in this case and others, career criminals and often just flat out disgusting human beings in general.
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What was the issue this time?
Trying to establish defense witness as biased based on his job. Conservative alt media. Insinuating bias because same witness lawyered up before sharing video.
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CBS News reporting unbiasedly (Note this is a screengrab. They deleted the post and changed the new one to "killed"):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD6s6rtXwAIJHsA?format=jpg&name=medium)
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I've been following the discussions of this case both here and on The Firing Line. I am dismayed and disappointed that over on TFL there are a few people who still seem to think that Rittenhouse is a murderer and that he deserves to be convicted on all charges.
A new one (not a new member, but new to the discussion) just showed up today.
It's sad. Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.
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When you get your news from only certain sources:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/
And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:
Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.
I didn't look at those details, but people like Steven Crowder played a bunch of the video from the shooting so the basic facts of the case were fairly clear. I didn't go out of my way to research things, but the media I do watch covered quite a bit of it.
I guess anything that pops some of the progressive bubbles these people are trapped in, so much the better. At least they might be open to alternative ideas more after this.
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Binger just got slapped down again. He didn't like the answer a witness gave, so he helpfully "reminded" the witnes that he is testifying under oath. The judge stepped in and told Binger that such statements may be perceived by the jury as implying that the witness is lying, and therefore such statements are not allowed.
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Binger is really bad at his job:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458860906381815816
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The greatest president ever talked about two Americas. That doesn’t begin to cover it, more like two different corners of the multiverse. The coverage on the “other” side doesn’t leave me much hope that we can be like Rodney King and all get along.
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Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.
To be fair though, self-defense laws can be quite state-specific and what seems unusual or ignorant to you in your state may be spot on in the poster's state. For example, here in Washington, I would most likely get a self-defense jury instruction for someone pointing a Glock at me. Someone trying to strike me with a skateboard, probably not depending on the circumstances.
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The greatest president ever talked about two Americas. That doesn’t begin to cover it, more like two different corners of the multiverse. The coverage on the “other” side doesn’t leave me much hope that we can be like Rodney King and all get along.
Some of them don't seem to be interested in getting along at all. At least, that is the rhetoric they use. I think some of that is the anonymity of the internet and living in a silo of ideas where alternative viewpoints are not allowed.
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Bernie Goetz weighs in:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-sham-subway-vigilante-bernie-goetz
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Judge trying to understand the basics of interpolation methods: "Uncharged pickles?"
I think it was intentional, but hilarious.
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Judge trying to understand the basics of interpolation methods: "Uncharged pickles?"
I think it was intentional, but hilarious.
I think a bit more context might be helpful here ...
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I think a bit more context might be helpful here ...
It is probably even better without context, but okay.
The prosecution was trying to admit stills from a blurry drone video to prove that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at some rioters shortly before being attacked by the pedo. They used a process called interpolation to try to clarify that video. There are various interpolation algorithms that try to average the color of nearby pixels in order to add additional pixels. Defense is arguing this might produce an inaccurate perception of what is happening when the picture is enlarged to that point. The judge was asking about those new pixels and jokingly referred to them as uncharged pickles.
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Day 8 recap and analysis.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-8-prosecutions-last-desperate-lunge-for-evidence-of-guilt/
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I've been following the discussions of this case both here and on The Firing Line. I am dismayed and disappointed that over on TFL there are a few people who still seem to think that Rittenhouse is a murderer and that he deserves to be convicted on all charges.
A new one (not a new member, but new to the discussion) just showed up today.
It's sad. Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.
You should ask them why are they so salty about a pedo and a wife beater taking unexpected dirt naps
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The media really wants to see riots.
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The media really wants to see riots.
Absolutely.
Here's Grosskreutz giving a different tale than he did on the witness stand, with NBC helping him along:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1458781171282845698
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/11/good-morning-america-tweets-clip-of-interview-with-sole-survivor-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-that-ignores-trial-testimony/
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/11/straight-up-propaganda-dana-loesch-others-have-thoughts-about-nbc-news-update-on-wounded-paramedic-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse/
I know some of you don't like the Twitchy links with the conservative bias, but frankly, they are one of the few sources highlighting the MSM bias and actually linking to facts in this case.
Because of the MSM, we have people believing Rittenhouse went on a shooting spree against black people, or shot totally innocent bystanders, or ran after people instead of running from them, and Grosskreutz is considered a hero.
Plus the Hollywood celebrity input, that sadly affects way to many sheep:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kyle-rittenhouse-mocked-hollywood-tearful-trial
Yes, there will riots, and antifa will be in the news again (as peacefully protesting heroes).
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Loving the memes
(http://RittenhouseMario.JPG)
(http://RittenhouseFlair.JPG)
Mr. Rittenhouse, 15 pieces of flair is the bare minimum.
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They’re currently arguing over lesser included offenses for the reckless homicide charge.
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Looking pretty good on the illegal possession of the rifle by a minor charge. Judge said he is inclined to force the jury to search the evidence presented to determine if the prosecution proved that the rifle was a short barreled rifle (defense already got a detective to say that it wasn't at one point) before convicting on that count. The prosecution definitely didn't present evidence to show that.
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The judge seems to lose focus at times today. Kind of undecided and wish washy sometimes, other times he seems pretty solid on jury instructions.
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The judge seems to lose focus at times today. Kind of undecided and wish washy sometimes, other times he seems pretty solid on jury instructions.
I can't help but think that the attacks in the MSM and the late night shows might be affecting him. He might be starting to second guess himself on everything he says, worried about how it might be twisted and affect the trial.
While I have watched portions of the trial with interest, I kinda wish it weren't televised, given the MSM and big tech.
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Dr. Jack Brown
@DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/
And probably is already an undisputed fact on facebook, CNN, MSNBC etc......
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According to:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bodylanguageexpert/
and
https://www.bodylanguageeq.com/about-us
Dr. Jack Brown is indeed a physician. Albeit he is an opthalmologist specializing in retinal disorders. I might ask his opinion on diabetic retinopathy, maybe not so much on body language.
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/
I think this is projection.
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I think this is projection.
Nah... he's a doctor... or something... but the left loves him, so we have to believe him.
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Does anyone know the relevant statutory language on sexual sadism in Wisconsin? What sexual sadism crimes did he commit again?
#sexpositiveusedtobeathing
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What sexual sadism crimes did he commit again?
Enemy of the left
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Enemy of the left
hang 'im
Funny how sexual adventurism is part of your sacred journey of self-discovery - until the Left wants to use it against you.
Just like how the Left discovered an abhorrence to vulgarity, when Trump was doing it. And so on.
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People commenting on this trial have mentioned the Jussie Smollett incident so many times that it is trending on twitter. And because of shadow banning, #FreeKyle isn't trending, but Jussie Smollett is.
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/
This is my rifle, this is my gun ...
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People commenting on this trial have mentioned the Jussie Smollett incident so many times that is is trending on twitter. And because of shadow banning #FreeKyle isn't trending, but Jussie Smollett is.
Please translate for the ignorant amongst us.
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Twitter keeps track of which #HashTags are being used, they display which ones are the most popular, but also sometimes give favor for or against certain hashtags.
So many people are comparing the lies by the media to the Jussie Smollett hoax that #JussieSmollett is now getting another 15 mins in the sun. In an unbiased world the more popular #FreeKyle would have that spot as Smollett is secondary to Kyle in mentions.
https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-accuse-rittenhouse-of-trying-to-avoid-punishment-through-legal-loophole-known-as-trial
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You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.
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You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.
Find a way, any way, to stay home.
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I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.
A fire extinguisher should do the trick. After all, it can take out an armed Capitol Police officer. ;/
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Good day, week perhaps, to take a vacation and stay home.
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The way I see it what the final verdict will pretty much depend on whether or not the jury can shrug off any real or imagined threats now.
Although the final verdict may not matter to those just looking for an excuse to riot and loot.
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You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.
If you're on a line that offers checked baggage, you can check a firearm in your baggage.
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The way I see it what the final verdict will be pretty much depends on whether or not the jury can shrug off any real or imagined threats now.
Although the final verdict may not matter to those just looking for an excuse to riot and loot.
Had the same thoughts. It's known that Antifa and/or BLM has been shooting video of the jurors as they entered and exited the courthouse. If the jurors themselves were made aware of this, they've got to be very concerned. They are not sequestered.
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If you're on a line that offers checked baggage, you can check a firearm in your baggage.
Are you sure you can check a firearm to Chicago? (or NYC, etc)
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Are you sure you can check a firearm to Chicago? (or NYC, etc)
Supposedly you can if you're just passing through. I don't believe you can have it with you if you are staying in NYC. Don't know about Chicago.
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I think you're pretty safe in that part of Chicago. And the weather forecast isn't favorable for looting and burning, or at least not looting. Don't forget your cane for your bad ankle maybe?
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^^^^
Much like the beach forecasts around here, I'm imagining a riot forecast there: "Don't forget your sunscreen if you're out early, and wear a hat if you're going to (mostly peacefully) loot all night, it's going to be chilly"
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It's nice and warm next to the fire.
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Did the judge ever formally rule on the mistrial request?
I can't find anything that specifically states that he did.
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Okay, all joking aside.
I don't think the left as a whole is nearly as invested in this case as they have been in others, ie Floyd, Brown. I think there may be some incidents but they'll be small and mostly isolated. There is always someone looking for an excuse, any excuse to go out and pick up a new big screen TV.
My biggest worries is for the jury and Kyle, especially Kyle. All it takes is one.
Now if there's another police on POC shooting during what ever does happen then all bets are off.
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I'll agree that people like BLM may not be invested in this, but Kyle was really defending himself against antifa and antifa-like white people, so I would definitely expect them to all come out of the woodwork. It might end up being localized to places like Portland. Chicago seems like it's more BLM land rather than antifa land.
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In antifa's case I think it will be more of case of the MSM paying attention to antifa being antifa for a short while.
We shall see.
Thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
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I'll agree that people like BLM may not be invested in this, but Kyle was really defending himself against antifa and antifa-like white people, so I would definitely expect them to all come out of the woodwork. It might end up being localized to places like Portland. Chicago seems like it's more BLM land rather than antifa land.
But the masses apparently think he just walked up to a bunch of black race-rioters BIPOC protestors and shot them, just for the pure white supremacy of it. Do the facts really matter to the mob?
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Great comments regarding all the people shouting about "crossing state lines". Especially about the people who also shout about "no borders!"
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/13/glenn-greenwald-admits-he-didnt-realize-until-recently-that-crossing-state-lines-was-such-a-sacred-and-weighty-act/
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I guess all the twin cities are in flyover country so they don't understand.
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Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)
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Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)
OK, that made me laugh!
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Social media observation:
A LOT of the pushier blather seems to be coming from accounts which follow under 100 people, with under 100 followers themselves.
I'm guessing that a lot of them are interconnected, and... are a dozen or so windows on each of a few dozen workstations...
And they have a message to push, and are being paid by the post...
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Social media observation:
A LOT of the pushier blather seems to be coming from accounts which follow under 100 people, with under 100 followers themselves.
I'm guessing that a lot of them are interconnected, and... are a dozen or so windows on each of a few dozen workstations...
And they have a message to push, and are being paid by the post...
Probably bots, as we have seen with other Twitter cancer waves.
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Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)
Same picture after enhancement by the prosecution's expert:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-VR8byaNOU4E%2FT7O61Dz7LoI%2FAAAAAAAAC6E%2Fvtkv9DkrFls%2Fs1600%2FdirtyHarry1971.%2BSCORPIO.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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Have the attorneys for Kyle Rittenhouse proved he is innocent of all crimes beyond a reasonable doubt? Guilty! Off with his head!
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/wisconsin-national-guard-troops-activated-ahead-of-kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/
Hmm ... maybe they should have done that before the Kenosha riots.
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/wisconsin-national-guard-troops-activated-ahead-of-kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/
Hmm ... maybe they should have done that before the Kenosha riots.
It's just in case the Trump supporters riot when Kyle is convicted of a hate crime mass murder
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I’m tired of hearing mother *expletive deleted*ers whining about “but the rule of law!”
The rule of law ceased to matter the second the police and politicians let the rioters run wild to burn, loot, and murder. I’m tired of people suddenly being concerned about every minute aspect of the shooting and law concerning Kyle having a rifle and defending himself buuutttt excusing the actions of the rioters that ultimately earned them their bullets. *expletive deleted*ck em. If Rittenhouse had shot each and every one of them it would have been a great thing.
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Gun charge dismissed.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/15/breaking-judge-dismisses-gun-charge-against-kyle-rittenhouse-case-as-trial-nears-end/
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Apparently his lawyers have also submitted an official request for a mistrial.
I thought they did that last week.
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Apparently his lawyers have also submitted an official request for a mistrial.
I thought they did that last week.
Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?
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This popped up during a google search on mistrial details
https://twitter.com/search/mistrial
Profile picture for Page Pate
Page Pate
@pagepate
A mistrial just because Rev. Jesse Jackson is in the courtroom? Thankfully, that’s not how this works. This is a public trial. #AhmaudArbery
Twitter · 2 mins ago
Profile picture for anne schindler
anne schindler
@schindy
All 3 defense attorneys now joining a motion for mistrial after the Reverend Jackson comforted a weeping Wanda Cooper Jones when a picture of a younger #AhmaudArbery was shown. Several jurors looked her way and saw the interaction @FCN2go
Twitter · 4 mins ago
Profile picture for Hayley Mason
Hayley Mason
@HayleyMasonTV
Gough moving for a mistrial citing pastors in the court and Arbery's mother crying in court. "We have all these community leaders fearful they are going to burn the whole city down." Now Jason Sheffield is joining the motion because jurors looked over and displayed sympathy.
Twitter · 8 mins ago
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Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?
Depends. Simple mistrial, yes. Mistrial with prejudice. No.
Brad
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More from the same google search
Jenese Harris
@WJXTJenese
McMichael/Bryan Murder Trial for Ahmaud Arbery's Death: Kevin Gough calls for a mistrial.
Twitter · 11 mins ago
Profile picture for Nancy Chen
Nancy Chen
@NancyChenNews
Kyle Rittenhouse's defense notifies the judge it has formally filed a motion in writing for a mistrial with prejudice -- it was spoken in court previously. They have asked for the judge to make a ruling. Closing arguments will go on in the meantime.
Twitter · 48 mins ago
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Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial
Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".
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Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial
Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".
Watch half or more of them stay home anyway. Meh, let it burn
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Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial
Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".
Couldn't help but notice this
Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara claimed decision made if 'verdict doesn't go positive'
Hope he doesn't mean positive in the way I think he does.
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Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?
Depends.
A mistrial with prejudice would mean that the state can't bring the same charges again.
A simple mistrial could result in a new trial... or it could result in the prosecution realizing that its case is so weak that it doesn't see any avenue for success in seeking another trial.
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And the ruling on the weapons charge takes the wind out of the sails of one of my FB friends...
She was going on and on and on how Rittenhouse was guilty of the gun charge, which by extension meant he was also guilty of murder.
Oops...
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How many free steps will an acquitted Rittenhouse take before being arrested by federal agents for hate crimes or domestic terror charges?
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And the ruling on the weapons charge takes the wind out of the sails of one of my FB friends...
She was going on and on and on how Rittenhouse was guilty of the gun charge, which by extension meant he was also guilty of murder.
Oops...
I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.
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I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.
As long as the right left people are doing it.
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I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.
But those were mostly peaceful protests!
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How long do you suppose deliberations will last?
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How many free steps will an acquitted Rittenhouse take before being arrested by federal agents for hate crimes or domestic terror charges?
I haven't seen anything yet, but from the behavior of this DOJ so far, he won't get many steps. I also would expect them to use their favorite "domestic terrorist" line. I don't see any way of it sticking, and he would likely go free at some point. But it's all about breaking people via the process.
Kyle will likely get a bunch of pro bono defense offers if this happens, but not everyone the feds do this crap to gets that lucky.
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I haven't seen anything yet, but from the behavior of this DOJ so far, he won't get many steps. I also would expect them to use their favorite "domestic terrorist" line. I don't see any way of it sticking, and he would likely go free at some point. But it's all about breaking people via the process.
Kyle will likely get a bunch of pro bono defense offers if this happens, but not everyone the feds do this crap to gets that lucky.
The process is, in many way, the punishment.
I just hope Robert Barnes is at least on level involved after the verdict is in, whichever way things go.
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How long do you suppose deliberations will last?
The longer it takes the more likely at least lesser included charges are going to return guilty verdicts. A very fast deliberation will either mean guilty on all charges or not guilty due to self defense on all charges. I’d say guilty is more likely in a super fast decision. A modestly long deliberation (say, a decision by tomorrow evening) is likely a not guilty verdict on at least the most serious charges. If it runs past Thursday I’d say it’s heading for a hung jury on some or all counts.
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Closing arguments.
"You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303719262826496
More prosecutor wisdom at:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/the-hell-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-claims-you-lose-the-right-to-self-defense-when-youre-the-one-who-brought-the-gun-video/
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Hmmm . . . if they're afraid of violent riots when Kyle is acquitted . . . doesn't that mean it would be his assailant's supporters who are prone to violent rioting? And wouldn't that suggest that the people Kyle shot were the same kind of people?
If I were a juror and heard/saw some of what's being said OUTSIDE of court, my inclination would be to acquit now, even if it wasn't before.
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""You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man.""
Wow... I'm really glad that I'm not on the jury. I would not be able to control my outburst at that.
Does the prosecution close first or last?
I'm hoping first, and I hope that the defense shoves that statement up Binger's ass sideways.
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Excellent.
Prosecution goes first in closing arguments.
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""You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man.""
Wow... I'm really glad that I'm not on the jury. I would not be able to control my outburst at that.
In this day and age if there are any liberals on that jury what the prosecutor said will be one of those "the science is setter" "facts" to them.
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Closing arguments.
"You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303719262826496
More prosecutor wisdom at:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/the-hell-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-claims-you-lose-the-right-to-self-defense-when-youre-the-one-who-brought-the-gun-video/
The key bit is “provoking other people.” If the jury buys the story he was pointing the rifle at people right before the first shooting he is in serious trouble. There really wasn’t anything in the trial except that grainy video at the end, but who knows what a jury will do?
It’s better to never face a jury than have a great case.
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I am listening to Steven Crowder's livestream. I thought CNN or someone said the prosecutor gets to rebut the defense after the defense closing arguments. Anyone know how it is done in Wisconsin?
For closing arguments, the prosecutor is talking an awful long time and practically reintroducing evidence. There needs to be a fixed time limit. He is playing videos and such.
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I thought I heard that each side gets 2.5 hours for their closing argument.
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I thought I heard that each side gets 2.5 hours for their closing argument.
I heard that also last week. 2.5 hours is a very very long time. Should be more like 30 minutes.
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The key bit is “provoking other people.” If the jury buys the story he was pointing the rifle at people right before the first shooting he is in serious trouble. There really wasn’t anything in the trial except that grainy video at the end, but who knows what a jury will do?
It’s better to never face a jury than have a great case.
This is an untrue statement. Under WI (and many others) law, while provoking, or threatening, a third party can be it's own crime, once he disengaged and ran he regains the right to self defense. Once one party communicates the desire to stop the engagement everyone is supposed to stop. By pursuing and cornering Kyle, Rosenbaum became the aggressor and Kyle had the right to defend himself.
And that's if you believe Kyle decided to be a southpaw for a sec and pointed the rifle at anyone.
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This is an untrue statement. Under WI (and many others) law, while provoking, or threatening, a third party can be it's own crime, once he disengaged and ran he regains the right to self defense. Once one party communicates the desire to stop the engagement everyone is supposed to stop. By pursuing and cornering Kyle, Rosenbaum became the aggressor and Kyle had the right to defend himself.
And that's if you believe Kyle decided to be a southpaw for a sec and pointed the rifle at anyone.
That’s a great argument on the evidence and in general - unfortunately the prosecutor was not so generous, and there is a non-zero possibility the jury believes his version of provocation which was offered against a jury instruction quite different to your explanation of the law of WI.
It is absolutely true to say that if the jury believes the line about pointing the gun first, he’s in serious trouble. Because that means everything about his encounter with the first decedent turns on exhausting all avenues of retreat. Will they buy the provocation arguments?
Hard to say, but sure is a good reason to think it’s better to avoid these situations in the first place.
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36 pages of jury instructions.
That seems like it isn't succinct and easy to understand for lay people.
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Holy crap. I thought this was just some conservatives making fun of the prosecution with an internet image, but Binger actually used this image from "Roadhouse" in closing statements, also telling the jury, "Many of you have probably been in a barfight before..."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303717866119172
Also, in the movie, an unarmed Dalton killed that guy.
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And the bad guy was armed.
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Unbelievably brave heroes:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460315228210614282
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Unbelievably brave heroes:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460315228210614282
Did they ask her which one was the convicted pedophile?
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Did they ask her which one was the convicted pedophile?
Yes, and she said she didn't care, leave him alone.
Stupidity and ignorance like that is why we are going to see riots again when anything other than "guilty" comes through.
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And the bad guy was armed.
Bicep boy had a pistol. He got hit over the head with a skateboard. I heard someone say the one guy grabbing his AR-15 can be considered as him being armed.
I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.
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I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.
I'm kinda surprised that pedo, et al haven't been photoshopped into black people at this point, with CNN et al referring to them as POC.
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:facepalm:
Good God! Prosecutor takes the AR (an admitted exhibit), says his assistant has “ checked it to be sure it isn’t loaded.” Then, without himself opening the action to confirm unloaded, raises it and points it in the direction of the jury!
Inexcusable.
— pipermcq (@pipermcq) November 15, 2021
Look at this goofball with his finger on the trigger pointed at a courtroom full of people. pic.twitter.com/th5eARTaPT
— Shane B. Murphy (@shanermurph) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/omg-apparently-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-attended-the-alec-baldwin-school-of-firearm-safety-and-usage-photos/
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The prosecutor is really insufferable.
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https://twitter.com/digichud/status/1460323179927326724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Good God! Prosecutor takes the AR (an admitted exhibit), says his assistant has “ checked it to be sure it isn’t loaded.” Then, without himself opening the action to confirm unloaded, raises it and points it in the direction of the jury!
Inexcusable.
— pipermcq (@pipermcq) November 15, 2021
What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.
Brad
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Eh ... Mark Richards was the wrong guy to do closing.
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Someone needs to print a tee-shirt with "I survived the Rittenhouse trial"
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Did someone say RACE!?
Blue-checks already out in full force playing the ‘what if Kyle were black’ card trying to make a white guy shooting other white guys racist
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/15/blue-checks-already-out-in-full-force-playing-the-what-if-kyle-were-black-card-trying-to-make-a-white-guy-shooting-other-white-guys-racist/
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Eh ... Mark Richards was the wrong guy to do closing.
From Mark Richards I have learned that Kyle's AR-14 cannot be fired left-handed.
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From Mark Richards I have learned that Kyle's AR-14 cannot be fired left-handed.
Ugh.
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Overall, some gun nut issues aside, Richards had been on fire with his closing. Where the hell was this fire, passion and willingness to call out the persecution on their bovine scat for the previous 2 weeks!!
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Overall, some gun nut issues aside, Richards had been on fire with his closing. Where the hell was this fire, passion and willingness to call out the persecution on their bovine scat for the previous 2 weeks!!
Sometimes the last few minutes is what sticks in the jury's mind the most.
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You think so? Seems disjointed, rushed, and inconsistent.
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He did finally bring up the inconsistency of bicep boy carrying a loaded gun on a regular basis but saying he could not take a life.
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I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.
Apparently A-OK to the prosecutor as well
Binger says that the all Rosenbaum did the night of the shooting was tip over a porta-potty, light a dumpster on fire, swing a chain, tip over a trailer and set it on fire, and say the n-word pic.twitter.com/OgC4XvJulS
— Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) November 15, 2021
‘Seemed like a swell chap’: Prosecutor lists some of the crimes Joesph Rosenbaum committed the night he was killed
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/seemed-like-a-swell-chap-prosecutor-lists-some-of-the-crimes-joesph-rosenbaum-committed-the-night-he-was-killed/
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Sometimes the last few minutes is what sticks in the jury's mind the most.
Yes, but it’s even more effective to not let them make the arguments in the first place.
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Yes, and she said she didn't care, leave him alone.
Stupidity and ignorance like that is why we are going to see riots again when anything other than "guilty" comes through.
I suspect there will be riots regardless of the verdict.
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Defense attorney is making a pretty strong closing argument.
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I suspect there will be riots regardless of the verdict.
It would be amusing if BLM rioted over a white on white shooting. I am sure some antifa types will be out and about. I guess the price of lumber might spike up a bit.
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What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.
Brad
They should have dove for cover, since they were disarmed and couldn't shoot back.
Judge should have cleared the courtroom and had prosecutor arrested for reckless endangerment, or maybe even aggravated assault. The trial can continue without him, or declare the mistrial with prejudice.
I really think the prosecution has been trying to get a simple mistrial so they can get a do-over. :mad:
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I think I would have been taken off the jury for saying bailiff, disarm this *expletive deleted*ing idiot before I do.
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I think I would have been taken off the jury for saying bailiff, disarm this *expletive deleted*ing idiot before I do.
I would not have been so eloquent, I woulda probably yelled "*expletive deleted*it!" and dove for cover. If the judge took offense at that, I might have elaborated. (and that would have guaranteed a mistrial.)
Bailiff should have shot him, but I assume the bailiff doesn't have a gun. and also probably didn't realize what was happening.
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Bicep boy had a pistol. He got hit over the head with a skateboard. I heard someone say the one guy grabbing his AR-15 can be considered as him being armed.
I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.
I was referring to the Roadhouse reference. The idiot DA said "you don't bring a weapon to a fistfight!" And then showed a picture of a [fictional] fistfight that someone brought a weapon to.
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What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.
Brad
Ah yes, the Baldwin maneuver. Already a classic.
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(https://i.redd.it/9yls77hu7ez71.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/kicshu429ez71.jpg)
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With topics like this, when you have to check hoping it is a Babylon Bee article, and not for real, the future of the country is in grave peril.
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(https://c1.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/03-Media-Gallows-LI-1080.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQ5EL-XMAMOCFz?format=jpg&name=small)
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Leave it to Joy Reid to twist this
Joy Reid: Right-wing Twitter called out the prosecutor for pointing a gun in the courtroom but ‘libruls are DUMB DUMB to fear AR-15s’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/joy-reid-right-wing-twitter-called-out-the-prosecutor-for-pointing-a-gun-in-the-courtroom-but-libruls-are-dumb-dumb-to-fear-ar-15s/
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We see what you did there
DEFENSE: Kyle Rittenhouse "has as much right to go there as anybody else in the city of Kenosha, and be unmolested by the likes of Joseph Rosenbaum…" pic.twitter.com/UABZUGFDsG
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/we-see-what-he-did-there-defense-attorney-says-rittenhouse-had-the-right-to-be-unmolested-by-the-likes-of-joseph-rosenbaum/
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Say what? :facepalm:
Libs please stop treating blacks like children
Employers, consider giving your Black employees a day or two off after the Rittenhouse verdict. Regardless of the outcome, it’s going to be hard for Black people to work and it isn’t fair to expect them to.
— Gregory McKelvey (@GregoryMcKelvey) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/blue-check-suggests-giving-black-employees-a-couple-of-days-off-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict-regardless-of-the-outcome/
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Say what? :facepalm:
Libs please stop treating blacks like children
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/blue-check-suggests-giving-black-employees-a-couple-of-days-off-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict-regardless-of-the-outcome/
There were no *expletive deleted*ing blacks involved in this case, why do they keep trying to play the race angle?*
*All three badguys were Jews, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish in the racial justice game
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I didn’t know Huber and Grosskreutz were Jewish names.
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I didn’t know Huber and Grosskreutz were Jewish names.
I'll walk that one back if I've got it wrong. The only form of social media I currently use is Gab, which ain't exactly fond of The Tribes. I'm only interested in correct.
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There were no...blacks involved in this case, why do they keep trying to play the race angle?*
One of the whines being voiced lately is that Kyle would have been immediately killed, if he were black, so black people would supposedly be upset if he walks.
'Course, some white people were trying to kill Kyle before he even fired a shot, so...
Also, this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEP3Uq0XoAENv-_?format=jpg&name=small)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQ5EL-XMAMOCFz?format=jpg&name=small)
Is this the original condition of the weapon at the time Rittenhouse used it? There are no sights or optics on this rifle.
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Is this the original condition of the weapon at the time Rittenhouse used it? There are no sights or optics on this rifle.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthegrio.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2FKyle-Rittenhouse-1-1024x577.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
His rifle had some sort of optic during the festivities. Don't know when it was removed.
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The optic was removed by a detective when the rifle was placed into an evidence box.
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It looked like a Sightmark red dot to me.
One similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-SM26005-Ultra-M-Spec-Reflex/dp/B00JAE11Z0/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2XFCAWJOQ6PQW&keywords=sightmark+red+dot&qid=1637067756&sprefix=sightmark+red%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-8
Sightmark has several models which use the same housing
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Since seeing the carbine in court without the optic I've wondered why would they remove it considering it part of the evidence?
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Legal Insurrection is not at all impressed with the closing argument delivered by Rittenhouse's lawyers.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/
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Legal Insurrection is not at all impressed with the closing argument delivered by Rittenhouse's lawyers.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/
I think people liked the defense closing arguments because it was better than what they did during the trial. Doesn't mean either was good.
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I think people liked the defense closing arguments because it was better than what they did during the trial. Doesn't mean either was good.
Well, and they had a low bar handed to them from the other side. I mean, "everybody takes a beating sometime" is a freebie to the defense.
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Has the judge ruled on the mistrial motion yet? I’m guessing he’ll deny it, if he hasn’t already but I had heard for sure.
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Has the judge ruled on the mistrial motion yet? I’m guessing he’ll deny it, if he hasn’t already but I had heard for sure.
https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial
Apparently not.
Kind of sounds like maybe the judge is waiting on the verdict and wants to see an acquittal. Might be holding onto the motion in case the jury doesn’t acquit.
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https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial
Apparently not.
Kind of sounds like maybe the judge is waiting on the verdict and wants to see an acquittal. Might be holding onto the motion in case the jury doesn’t acquit.
He might want to start carrying an AR-15 if he does that.
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I wasn’t impressed by the judge’s performance. Sometimes he was wishy washy and indecisive.
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I wasn’t impressed by the judge’s performance. Sometimes he was wishy washy and indecisive.
But he was very quick to call out the prosecutor on a lot of his bullshit.
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So, if Rittenhouse is acquitted, and I really hope he is...
How many days of riots, looting, and burning are we going to have?
I'm putting it at 4 really solid days, and another 7 of sporadic flare ups.
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DA FUQ????
Kyle Rittenhouse is shown on a video on Fox news pulling numbered balls out of a spinning mixing cage.
According to the story, he's PICKING THE JURORS who will be alternates, essentially picking his jury.
WTF is that?
It's like something out of the *expletive deleted*ing Hunger Games... Do other states do that?
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I never heard of that.
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But Kyle already competed in the Hunger Games. =D
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They made him pull slips of paper out of a tumbler. I watched it. Rekieta Law's livestream said that was bizarre. Strange, but I guess it makes sense.
Edit to add: May the odds forever be in your favor.
or
Choose your fate!
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Ah. I just assumed it was numbered balls.
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But Kyle already competed in the Hunger Games. =D
And won. And that is what the left is upset about. If he was left dead in the street I highly doubt we would have heard anything about it in the MSM after a couple of days if at all except how a mass murder by a far right extremist was prevented by our three heroes.
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So, if Rittenhouse is acquitted, and I really hope he is...
How many days of riots, looting, and burning are we going to have?
I'm putting it at 4 really solid days, and another 7 of sporadic flare ups.
I am hoping for a high number. Eventually, the normies are going to get sick of that stuff.
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The trial has been an absurdity on multiple levels.
The media coverage by and large has been absurd.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-asked-to-step-outside-and-defend-the-courthouse-while-verdict-is-being-read
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I know he's photoshopped in but is that the actual court house right now with the doors and windows boarded up or is that some other place?
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That is the courthouse, but the video of protestors outside shows the windows unboarded right now.
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That is the courthouse, but the video of protestors outside shows the windows unboarded right now.
That might be changing soon.
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Jury apparently deliberated for 45 minutes then requested copies of the jury instructions, particularly those sections pertaining to self defense.
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I think it’s looking decently good for Kyle right now. Impossible to say for sure of course but I’d have to think that asking for the self defense instructions means they’re taking that part seriously. Which can only be good for Kyle.
I still think a hung jury, or conviction on some lesser included charges has to be at least as likely as full acquittal. But I’m slightly more hopeful now.
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Probably at least 2 or 3 on the jury who already had their minds made up before the trial he's a racist far right wing mass murderer and completely zoned themselves out when anything counter to that came up in the trial. I would love to be proven wrong on that.
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I can see acquittal or a hung jury, but I'm not so sure about lesser charges - there have got to be at least a FEW people on the Kenosha jury who didn't like the unchecked rioting and arson in their home town and have no sympathy at all for the deceased, and they may just dig in their heels as solidly against convicting Kyle of anything as the ones who " . . . already had their minds made up before the trial he's a racist far right wing mass murderer . . . " who needs to be convicted of everything.
But of course, that's just a guess - seasoned court observers and actual legal experts (not just TV personalities) have only limited success in predicting jury outcomes, so I wouldn't place any bets with my own money on what happens.
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Biggest wildcard here is how much of the jury intimidation business got to the jury and how much it's going to influence them.
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Tangentially related: the saga of Jump Kick Man:
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2021-11-16-the-disturbing-story-of-the-rittenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/
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Tangentially related: the saga of Jump Kick Man:
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2021-11-16-the-disturbing-story-of-the-rittenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/
So, why didn’t they turn that identity over to the defense?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/prosecutor-proves-how-deadly-ar-15-is-by-accidentally-shooting-7-jurors
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9924-2.jpg)
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Also on BB
Kenosha Residents Paint Their Doorposts With 'Black Lives Matter' In Preparation For Verdict
https://babylonbee.com/news/kenosha-residents-paint-their-doorposts-with-black-lives-matter-in-preparation-for-verdict
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Also on BB
Kenosha Residents Paint Their Doorposts With 'Black Lives Matter' In Preparation For Verdict
https://babylonbee.com/news/kenosha-residents-paint-their-doorposts-with-black-lives-matter-in-preparation-for-verdict
I'm surprised the Babylon Bee didn't write that they were painting it with lamb's blood . . .
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I think they said Chic-fil-a sauce in a previous article about a completely different scenario.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQvq-dXEAQN2DH?format=jpg&name=small)
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Doesn’t need to be the bee, numerous riots including Kenosha people put up blm or black owned signs on businesses they boarded up. Turns out they burn the same.
Is the revelation of jump kick man yet another bid to bait a mistrial? Seems like a little fun tidbit of exculpatory info intentionally not shared. Why wasn’t Rittenhouse prosecuted for attempted homicide on JKM? Almost like they didn’t want him in court or something.
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So we now have 4 heroes of Kenosha.
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Lots of businesses in Minneapolis tried minority owned or BLM to little or no effect.
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Marvel writer urges people to burn down the city of Kenosha over Rittenhouse trial verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/marvel-comics-writer-dylan-park-urged-people-to-burn-down-the-city-of-kenosha
(https://cms.thepostmillennial.com/content/images/2021/11/burnmfer.jpg)
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Doesn’t need to be the bee, numerous riots including Kenosha people put up blm or black owned signs on businesses they boarded up. Turns out they burn the same.
Is the revelation of jump kick man yet another bid to bait a mistrial? Seems like a little fun tidbit of exculpatory info intentionally not shared. Why wasn’t Rittenhouse prosecuted for attempted homicide on JKM? Almost like they didn’t want him in court or something.
JKM was the reason for the second reckless endangerment charge.
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Unaware, I paid little attention to the lesser charges except to note that the weapon charge was bogus. Still BS, intentionally firing a gun at a specific person with intent to hit them shouldn’t be reckless endangerment. They just didn’t want to identify the guy for obvious reasons.
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Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.
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Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.
I was already afraid some jurors might be emotionally compromised from the doxxing threats or even just, "one man's innocence is not worth rioting."
I'm wondering if regardless of the law, some jurors might be making an argument to convict on something, even a lesser charge, even if they know he is innocent, just to appease the mob.
Which, sadly, goes back to what DeSelby mentioned above about "don't wind up in front of a jury". The direction that the US is heading continues to strengthen the "lay low in the boonies" argument.
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My prediction is a hung jury with more voting for acquittal than guilty. Maybe that's why the judge has not ruled yet on the motion for a mistrial with prejudice; he's keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury can't reach a verdict
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We need a full acquittal in this, anything less with the judge calling a mistrial with prejudice will just leave an open wound and fuel even more riots than a full acquittal
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Judge explaining that the jury selection tumbler by the defendant has been standard for 20 years.
No decision tonight. Jury to resume 9:00AM
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Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?
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Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?
https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/70415a293a422e063dba8b948fadc1a364a162d34217ac600986baf1e0013821
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Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?
Maybe they just want another free lunch. When I did jury duty once it was a slam dunk verdict in about 30 seconds but that seemed as though we didn't do any deliberations so as a group we decided to hold off informing them we had a verdict until they fed us one more lunch. The a couple of hours after lunch, but before the traffic picked up we returned our verdict. =D
bob
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Or they just want another free lunch. :rofl:
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I was already afraid some jurors might be emotionally compromised from the doxxing threats or even just, "one man's innocence is not worth rioting."
I'm wondering if regardless of the law, some jurors might be making an argument to convict on something, even a lesser charge, even if they know he is innocent, just to appease the mob.
Which, sadly, goes back to what DeSelby mentioned above about "don't wind up in front of a jury". The direction that the US is heading continues to strengthen the "lay low in the boonies" argument.
Yep - the whole “jury nullification” thing works both ways. And to draw it back to dogmush’s world, at the time of Zimmerman FL copped heat for the SYG law and how it stops cases from going to juries, even though it had no role in Zimmerman’s trial - but a heavily politically charged self defense trial seems to be a textbook example of why you’d want this Pre trial, judge only option for shutting down a prosecution.
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Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.
No, that would be a hung jury, which is a mistrial.
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Has anyone posted this link yet? Tucker's take on the trial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2AbfDlhOyc
If it has been posted, I missed it and I apologize.
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I'm wondering just how many protesters are in front of the courthouse. And how many of them are professional *expletive deleted*it disturbers, and how many of them are ready to get all "peaceful."
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A legal question: If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?
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I'm wondering just how many protesters are in front of the courthouse. And how many of them are professional *expletive deleted*it disturbers, and how many of them are ready to get all "peaceful."
What I have been reading in the MSM is all about "far right" groups going there and the potential for violence. What I have seen in images are people holding signs that are decidedly left wing, with slogans that are decidedly not peaceful.
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Wow, talk about low
‘This RATIO goes HARD!!!’: More supermodels compare looks with Kyle Rittenhouse’s stupid racist mother
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/16/this-ratio-goes-hard-more-supermodels-compare-looks-with-kyle-rittenhouses-stupid-racist-mother/
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How many protesters are in the lynch mob? Or is it just photographic?
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Tucker Carlson unchained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89-Qiz8g4Zc
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There was a news story last night that indicated the Governor had the NG staged about 60 miles away from Kenosha - JIC.
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A legal question: If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them. A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal. Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier. So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?
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A legal question: If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?
Google “separate sovereigns” doctrine
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The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them. A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal. Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier. So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
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In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
What federal law did the Rodney King cops break?
They claimed civil rights violations because there weren’t any federal laws broken. It was case that never should have happened but it did and it set precedent as a result.
The whites Rittenhouse killed were the good kind. [NPR voice] Clearly [/NPR Voice]. So it can still be a racist hate crime.
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The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them. A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal. Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier. So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?
I’m sure the Biden regime has instructed the feds to file charges as soon as an acquittal or mistrial occurs.
The government will crush you when it wants to crush you using unlimited resources and law and order doesn’t mean a damn thing.
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I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.
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In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
They could still claim civil rights violations. It's been done before when the perp and victim have been the same race.
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I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.
Look at what they are doing to 06JAN protestors. People are still being held without bail, and I shockingly read recently that some of them have "accidently" been put in situations where they were beaten during their one hour of free time while others have been denied basic needs, like showers.
I never thought I would be in a situation where I had to talk about the United States, the beacon of freedom in the world, as if we were North Korea, but here we are. Thanks deep state.
Lay low and stay under the radar, and don't call the feds.
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I've read that the Jan 6 political prisoners have been told no vaccination = no haircuts, shaving or religious services.
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In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.
Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street. Thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice protesters.
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Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.
Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice.
They are singing the praises of a violent pedophile as if he were a saint. You don't need to know more than that to see how whacko they are.
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I expect Biden to announce hate crime charges are to be filed and tax payer money to be coming soon to the families of the fallen heroes and the lone survivor of this attack no matter the jury's decision.
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This is only hearsay, but I have read stuff by this guy before, and he seems to generally post reliable information:
Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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Two jurors holding decision up, outright citing backlash, per US Marshal in Kenosha
I am just now listening to the news and they said that the protestors have been so loud that they can be clearly heard inside the building. I'm unsure if the jurors are sequestered there or elsewhere, but if there, and they are hearing those violent threats, the above quote seems quite plausible.
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The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them. A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal. Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier. So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?
Yea, I should have thought of that. Also the Feds were ready to arrest the officer that kneeled on Floyd's neck if he was acquitted. So I would guess some depravation of civil rights charge because of the penumbra of race. Strange that we have come to that and still call it law.
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Lucy! you got some splainin to do
SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/17/siren-rittenhouse-lawyers-file-motion-for-a-mistrial-with-prejudice-after-catching-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/
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SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/17/siren-rittenhouse-lawyers-file-motion-for-a-mistrial-with-prejudice-after-catching-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/
I was just about to post that. I don't know how accurate that is, but given what we've seen from these prosecutors, I'd buy it.
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Very interesting.
I wonder if Binger went to the same lawschool that Mike Nifong attended...
It would explain a lot.
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Pros. sent a compressed version of the drone video to defense, when they had the full resolution
Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Assistant District Attorney James Kraus accused defense attorneys of making a dishonest argument because the enlarged footage “shows their client is lying.” The defense team's hired video analyst used similar software to enlarge video footage during his testimony earlier Thursday, Kraus noted.
“All due respect to Your Honor, I think the defense is trying to take advantage of your lack of knowledge about technology which you’ve expressed,” Kraus said.
Schroeder’s confusion with the technical details was obvious in court. Earlier in the week, he questioned whether using the pinch-and-zoom feature on an iPad would alter an image and barred prosecutors from using that while presenting video evidence to jurors.
“I totally agree with your comment about my lack of familiarity with these concepts, although logic, I have some logical skills,” he said on Thursday. “This is a difficult concept for me, yes.”
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99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.
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Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Honestly I never considered whether the iPhone video zoom would use interpolation. I wouldn't have assumed that it does, but I don't know that for a fact. I know phones do tons of post-processing of photos and videos they record to get a better image out of the limited camera capabilities so I don't see why they couldn't upscale a video on playback. However, assuming the defense were given a low resolution video presented to them as the full video, I could also see them considering the higher resolution video shown by the prosecution as likely having been upscaled.
The defense also objected to using a 4k TV for playing 1080P video as many high resolution TVs are capable of doing upscaling via interpolation. That is also true, however I don't know if the TV in question was set up to do that.
Ultimately, though, I never saw anything in any of the video or stills they claim clearly demonstrates that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the Zaminskis. Do you?
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99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.
The only logical reason for the judge to hold back on ruling on the mistrial motions is to let the jury acquit Rittenhouse, and only make the rulings if the hang or convict.
Those persecutors need to be removed from their jobs and barred from ever working in law again.
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I know the Feds filed civil rights charges against the cops in the Rodney King incident, and were prepared to do the same in the George Floyd incident - many thought that this violated the Constitution's prohibition against double jeopardy, but the contrary view prevailed. But note - in each case, the Federal civil rights charges were targeting government employees who were alleged to have violated a person's civil rights under color of law. IANAL, but I don't see much of an opening for similar charges against Kyle - unless they just decide to proceed anyway with bogus charges based on the unspoken premise that "the process is the punishment." (The Feds were involved in the George Zimmerman case as investigators, but note, no federal charges were actually filed after Zimmerman's acquittal.)
As far as the yahoos outside the courthouse, the news report I saw said there were both "protestors" and "counter-protestors" out in front, but the newsies made no attempt to interview any or give an idea of the relative size of the two groups.
I still don't see that every person on a Kenosha jury will vote to convict Kyle of anything since even the prosecutor said the perps were involved in the rioting that destroyed a good part of their home town. But it only takes one person who either loves antifa/blm, hates guns, or is intimidated by the protestors to dig in their heels as a lone voice for conviction and hang the jury.
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So if I got this right.
What they're saying is the prosecution took a clear(er) high res video, made a compressed lower res copy or at the very least withheld the higher res ver, then "enhanced" the low res compressed ver, then showed the jury the "enhanced" version and then basically told the jury what they were seeing in the glob of pixels.
Right?
Image recording by it's very nature creates image artifacts, compressing it creates more image artifacts, then "Enhancing" creates even more image artifacts on top of that.
:facepalm:
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Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed* thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.
*Many programs allow you to adjust how much compression is applied when saving.
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Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.
Oddly enough, exactly what I've spent my morning doing... grabbing screen captures using Snipit, saving them as pictures, and importing them into documents I'm working on.
Depending on how I save it, the image suffers. A lot.
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Every time you save an image in the jpeg format, or any other compressed format jpeg is just the most common, you lose detail and create artifacts.
And many may not realize many video formats are just still jpeg images in series similar to how movie film works.
That why it's best if photoshopping your photos to start from the original if possible if you want the best possible quality.
The way around that is to save in an uncompressed format such as RAW but they're huge. Many cameras will allow you shoot in RAW rather than jpeg or even both at the same time.
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So if I got this right.
What they're saying is the prosecution took a clear(er) high res video, made a compressed lower res copy or at the very least withheld the higher res ver, then "enhanced" the low res compressed ver, then showed the jury the "enhanced" version and then basically told the jury what they were seeing in the glob of pixels.
Right?
My understanding is that the prosecution got the high res version in the middle of the trial (from the proverbial "evidence fairy"), and shared a low resolution version with the defense. This was discovered when the defense had their laptop plugged in and the prosecution asked them to play the video. When they played it the prosecution said it was too low resolution to see what they wanted to show, and the defense said "Well, that's what you gave us ...."
The version the prosecution claims to have enhanced is the high res version, but even at that all they had was a glob of pixels and they told the jury what it showed. I did not see what they claimed from what they showed.
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I just read that the defense has filed a second motion to dismiss with prejudice, based on the prosecution's failure to turn over the high-res version of the drone video.
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I am still loving the memes
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Hocus pocus out of focus
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That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of
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What exactly are we looking at there, Dustin?
Its that just an example of the clarity issues, or is that actually from the videos in question?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aINa6tg3fo
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Those are from the prosecutors version and from the version the prosecutor gave to the defense.
Edit: Defense is live now in court, they didn't even get the full video length. This could point to intentional screwing around. You can't accidently give someone a cut copy.
That is the basis for the most recent motion to dismiss with prejudice.
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So I'm assuming the jury was only shown the blurry one and the prosecutor told them what they were seeing?
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So I'm assuming the jury saw the only the blurry one?
Sounds like it and sounds like the prosecution made sure of that.
To me that should at the very least get a mistrial with prejudice and also in a just world would mean the prosecution team should all be out of jobs and ideally in jail for attempting to use falsified evidence to make their case. Absolute scumbags.
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Sounds like it and sounds like the prosecution made sure of that.
To me that should at the very least get a mistrial with prejudice and also in a just world would mean the prosecution team should all be out of jobs and ideally in jail for attempting to use falsified evidence to make their case. Absolute scumbags.
I agree that this should be grounds for a mistrial. Further - at a minimum, prosecution team should be fired, and the state bar should suspend their licenses pending investigation of misconduct.
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82.5k people are watching the Rekieta Law live coverage of the trial right now despite this being day two of deliberations.
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So I'm assuming the jury was only shown the blurry one and the prosecutor told them what they were seeing?
Not as I understand it. The defense got the blurry one and I'm guessing they didn't see anything in it. The prosecution showed the jury the full resolution version, but even in that version it took their tech working overtime to come up with a blurry mess that they claim is Rittenhouse pointing his gun at the guy who would later fire the first shot in the exchange.
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I am NOT an image enhancement expert, but I've messed around with those sort of programs just enough to distrust ANY manipulated/enhanced photos other than - maybe! - NASA's astronomical stuff.
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Apparently the judge has slammed the media for "grossly irresponsible handling" of the trial.
Interesting.
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vub41 29:15 the drone footage in high res has been out forever. It appearing that late in the trial is because the prosecutor was trying to change tactics.
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Was Binger ever seen on the set of "Rust"?
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Prosecution is now claiming "OMG, they got a compressed version? It must have happened because they had an Android phone isntead of an iPhone! We had no idea about how all these technology doohickies work!"
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"If I knew how to change resolution or how any of that works I would have a much better job." - near quote by the bigger prosecutor.
"Technical wizardry!"
There is no way for us to know these things. (I guess file size is rocket surgery)
Defense lady: "4 milibyte(sic) file"
Defense lady destroying ADA.
Judge: High risk strategy for the state, queasy about it.
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Prosecution is now claiming "OMG, they got a compressed version? It must have happened because they had an Android phone isntead of an iPhone! We had no idea about how all these technology doohickies work!"
So, they're claiming it was a good faith error.
I wonder how that's going to play out with the judge given all of their bad faith missteps during the trial.
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Deliberate prosecutorial misconduct by the prosecution team. Every damn one of them need to go to jail for the same length of sentence they are trying to inflict on Rittenhouse.
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Frankly, whatever the malfeasance on behalf of the prosecution, if this gets dismissed because of how the prosecution handled this video it would be a cheap win on a technicality. Even the most enhanced version of the high resolution video doesn't convince me of what the prosecution is trying to sell.
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82.5k people are watching the Rekieta Law live coverage of the trial right now despite this being day two of deliberations.
So more than cnn prime time then.
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It was 120k a few minutes ago when the the trial was live. A bit less than 100k now.
The theory on the Rekieta Law podcast group chat is the prosecution is trying to help its few assumed hold outs hang the jury.
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I would call this a clown show but I don't hate clowns that much
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Kyle and his lawyers calling for a normal mistrial.
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vub41 29:15 the drone footage in high res has been out forever. It appearing that late in the trial is because the prosecutor was trying to change tactics.
The defense mentioned earlier during the argument that they tried to get the drone footage, but either were not able to get it or got something different. Then the one defense lady said the file name they were initially given was different from the high resolution version they got later plus the file creation times were different. IMO, either the prosecution was very sloppy in handling evidence copies or deliberately turned over an adjusted copy. Could they have messed up and turned over the wrong file? Maybe.
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Judge threatened to put the prosecutor under oath to answer questions.
Video stills shows the prosecutor has a copy of handbrake (video editor) on his computer. Prosecutor claims he couldn't have edited anything and doesn't understand anything.
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@RekietaMedia
Krause is filibustering like he's trying to keep the all you can eat buffet open past closing.
"The defense's expert MUST HAVE MISSED that we sent them a lower resolution video..." ADA Krause.
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Jury retired for the day, resume 9:00AM central time tomorrow.
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I had been of the opinion that ADA Binger should be disbarred. I have retracted that opinion. I now think he should be publicly drawn and quartered. The man is a disgrace to the legal profession. In fact, he's a disgrace to the human race.
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Some minor violence outside the courthouse. Some arrests of BLM people.
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I had been of the opinion that ADA Binger should be disbarred. I have retracted that opinion. I now think he should be publicly drawn and quartered. The man is a disgrace to the legal profession. In fact, he's a disgrace to the human race.
He's probably at this very moment negotiating a multi million $ book deal and getting his run for congress ready where he'll fit right in. Netflix already has in the works a movie of his life story.
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Just how many protesters have been outside that facility?
Because I saw one video that looked to _maybe_ have a couple of dozen at the most.
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Somebody is in need of a neck stretching
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A lot of people want this hat that Julio Rosas spotted outside the Kenosha County Courthouse
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/a-lot-of-people-want-this-hat-that-julio-rosas-spotted-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse/
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If the defense lawyers weren’t the next closest thing to useless they’d have someone monitoring the Rekieta law stream. No fewer that five attorneys at any time talking about strategies and motions and objections that should be made. Between withholding evidence, commenting on Kyle’s exercising his fifth amendment right, mentioning other evidence that the judge excluded this should be a mistrial and the prosecutors should be up for review. Defense motioned for a mistrial with prejudice last night, then asked for one without today. They’re just floundering around in a case that should be a slam dunk. It’s arguably the most videoed self defense in history.
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In the video, I literally heard, "I din do nuffin!" Sounds like things are going swimmingly.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/things-get-tense-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-multiple-arrests-made/
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That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of
No, not the same crime but the "crime" of incompetence, malfeasance, and/or fraud. >:D
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That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of
I assume you mean pointing the "murder" weapon at people. Not only is it one of the things they accuse Kyle of, it's also much worse than anything he actually did.
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So a lot of us think that the reaction will be muted. What if it isn't? The media has a lot of sunk costs to protect. Besides, if we forget this we then look at the mistrial that is their five years of Russiahoax. Or Ghislaine Maxwell. Or how awesome DC is doing. So there is the usual peaceful arson. Someone responds. The response and the trial is the pretext for a massive fed push on militias as well as a power grab at the courts since they decide wrong. This mess has a really really low chance of sparking a civil war. But it's not zero.
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Judge threatened to put the prosecutor under oath to answer questions.
Video stills shows the prosecutor has a copy of handbrake (video editor) on his computer. Prosecutor claims he couldn't have edited anything and doesn't understand anything.
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Krause is filibustering like he's trying to keep the all you can eat buffet open past closing.
"The defense's expert MUST HAVE MISSED that we sent them a lower resolution video..." ADA Krause.
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Jury retired for the day, resume 9:00AM central time tomorrow.
The Rekieta law guys commented on the fillibustering that it seemed the longer he talked the more the judge softened about mistrial stuff. The defense didn't seem to press for mistrial or even act all that upset about the issues.
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The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website. Hasn't been for two days now.
Their coverage had been non-stop breathless for several days with multiple leads and rolling updates.
With regard to the defense team seemingly dropping the ball, I wonder if they aren't getting a little tired of the whole thing. Are they working pro bono like Lin Wood was before he dropped out?
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The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website. Hasn't been for two days now.
Their coverage had been non-stop breathless for several days with multiple leads and rolling updates.
Hard to be breathless when covering deliberation. When the verdict is announced they, and everybody else, will rush to tell you and claim they were the first to do so.
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The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website.
I noticed that this morning as well. It's almost like a faucet being turned off. I held my nose and went to CNN and a few other MSM sites as well, and the same thing. Curious.
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Probably would be best for all involved if every media outlet took it off their front page but I'm not holding my breath on that happening at CNN, MSNBC etc....
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I noticed that this morning as well. It's almost like a faucet being turned off. I held my nose and went to CNN and a few other MSM sites as well, and the same thing. Curious.
Not curious at all.
What do you expect?
RITTENHOUSE JURY DELIBERATIONS DAY 3 -- THEY'RE STILL SITTING IN A ROOM!
When something happens, it will go back above the electronic fold.
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When something happens, it will go back above the electronic fold.
When it's time to riot and loot they'll let you know.
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Not curious at all.
What do you expect?
Except while the jury has been sitting in the room, the MSM has been focusing on protestors congregating and almost gleefully talking about the potential for violence. AFAIK, the protestors are still there and crowds are growing, but suddenly it's off the "leads and bleeds" sections of the MSM websites.
If they are dropping coverage to reduce giving publicity and not egging on the potential violence, good on them, but they have in the past not shown such restraint.
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So, you're promoting MSNBC to the top of the journalistic heap because they're reporting... minor protests... as if the entire state of Wisconsin is ablaze and Rittenhouse is swinging from a tree in the Kenosha town square?
"If they are dropping coverage to reduce giving publicity and not egging on the potential violence, good on them, but they have in the past not shown such restraint."
They, and other news outlets, are dropping coverage because there are actually other stories going on in the world.
I know, it's hard to comprehend, because the whole outcome of the arc of Western Civilization hinges on whether Kyle Rittenhouse goes free or goes to prison... I mean, that's such a huge story that the verified Second Coming of Jesus shouldn't push it off the top of the electronic fold...
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You’re talking about a news organization that kept Gabby Petito as a headline for four weeks.
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I know, it's hard to comprehend, because the whole outcome of the arc of Western Civilization hinges on whether Kyle Rittenhouse goes free or goes to prison... I mean, that's such a huge story that the verified Second Coming of Jesus shouldn't push it off the top of the electronic fold...
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Yes, bigger things in the world should push it off the top of the page. My point was that in the past, similar stories haven not been pushed off the front of the page, and have been "overpromoted" in spite of bigger things going on. Suddenly (vs gradually), all the MSM outlets drop it at the same time, when yesterday they were showing videos of protestor fights and talking the burning of Kenosha. So yes, curious.
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In the video, I literally heard, "I din do nuffin!" Sounds like things are going swimmingly.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/things-get-tense-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-multiple-arrests-made/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-rittenhouse-protestor-body-slams-reporter-arrested-battery
Unsurprisingly, the suspect who body-slammed a reporter was already on bail for some other offense. He's facing felony bail-jumping and battery, among other charges.
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Hung jury for sure now, how else could you talk so long?
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Hung jury for sure now, how else could you talk so long?
Hung jury, mistrial, mistrial with prejudice... I don't really care. The big thing I really care about is the prosecution being held accountable for their bullshit in this trial.
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Ah mah gerds! Above the fold! It's above the fold!
:rofl:
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Hung jury, mistrial, mistrial with prejudice... I don't really care. The big thing I really care about is the prosecution being held accountable for their bullshit in this trial.
Take your pick
1) The prosecutor knows Kyle is innocent and went over the top to trigger a mistrial
2) The prosecutor feels he has to do whatever it takes to convict no matter stupid some of it may appear or they're (you know who) going to burn down his house and/or kill him.
3) He's a moron. I am reminded by how many total morons in congress were/are lawyers.
4) He's a dirt bag. The congress thingy applies here as well.
5) He's a moron and a dirt bag
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Why not
both all four?
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MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.
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Why not both all four?
I slipped in a fifth
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MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.
Sweet....
My guess is that they'll file a writ to have that ruling overturned by the end of the day.
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I slipped in a fifth
4 out of 5 will still work. =)
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And be sure to swing by and check out the MSNBC home page...
They are still DEEP in the throes of Trump Derangement Syndrome...
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Says he was instructed to follow the jury bus.
Schroeder said the man who identified himself as "James J. Morrison," a producer with @MSNBC said was instructed by "Irene Byon"
A quick search of her name shows she's a booking producer with @NBCNews
— Andrew Havranek (@Andrew_Havranek) November 18, 2021
But
Judge Schroeder is going to make a statement this morning about an arrest being made by Kenosha PD after a #KyleRitthenhouse juror/jurors were followed by someone who claimed to work for NBC or MSNBC. Those outlets apparently say the person does not work for them @LawCrimeNetwork
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 18, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/18/an-extremely-serious-matter-judge-bruce-schroeder-says-purported-nbc-news-producer-followed-rittenhouse-juror-bus-bars-nbc-msnbc-from-courtroom-video/
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Ah mah gerds! Above the fold! It's above the fold!
:rofl:
I see that. I am disappoint. It's got to be some kind of plot, I tells ya'! [tinfoil] :P
Seriously, I just thought it was curious how the coverage had been deemphasized when they had so been breathless before, even after deliberations had started.
edit to fix buggered up grammmmerz
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MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.
A little more detail:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-judge-bans-msnbc-from-courtroom-after-person-accused-of-trailing-jury-bus/ar-AAQRJoP
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" they had so breathless before"
They obviously ran out of breath!
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" they had so breathless before"
They obviously ran out of breath!
That could explain it.
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After Kraus admits their version is better he tries to make excuses. Afterwards its a huge excuse train. Kraus blames a list of other people.
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Nothing to see here because it's totally normal for reporters to do this.
Well so is murder for some people.
Perspective: Court TV correspondent who knows James J. Morrison just said a reporter following a jury bus is a long-standing practice by news outlets in big trials to get info on juror panel so news outlets can reach out to jurors quickly after verdict. "Happens all the time."
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) November 18, 2021
Court TV correspondent says he doesn't want to defend the practice, and acknowledges some people might think it's despicable. Says when a reporter follows a jury bus they're looking for the jurors' license plates so they can get their contact info to contact them after verdict.
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) November 18, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/18/happens-all-the-time-purported-court-tv-correspondent-says-its-totally-normal-for-reporters-to-follow-jury-buses-to-get-their-license-plate-numbers/
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https://babylonbee.com/news/doh-here-are-8-critical-errors-made-by-the-rittenhouse-prosecutors
https://babylonbee.com/news/every-man-in-america-except-kyle-rittenhouse-found-guilty-of-not-showing-up-to-kenosha-to-defend-their-fellow-americans
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-sends-border-patrol-horses-to-wisconsin-to-prevent-people-from-crossing-state-lines
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Looks like everyone involved in the bus chase are trying to cover their tracks
Journo Who Ordered Doxxing Of Jurors In Kyle Rittenhouse Case On The Run!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71g-48BBjHw
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No. Not in my adult lifetime, anyway.
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Fits a pattern
One of the two protesters arrested outside the Kenosha courthouse – the man seen wearing a "F*** Kyle" t-shirt as officers took him into custody – is facing charges related to bail jumping, meaning he has a prior criminal record, Fox News Digital has learned.
Anti-Rittenhouse protestor body-slams reporter outside Kenosha courthouse, arrested for battery
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/anti-rittenhouse-protestor-body-slams-reporter-outside-kenosha-courthouse-arrested-for-battery/ar-AAQRGg7?ocid=msedgntp
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No. Not in my adult lifetime, anyway.
That's part of the meme. :facepalm:
This should really be another topic, but once again the left has hijacked the term and changed its meaning.
https://www.thoughtco.com/classical-liberalism-definition-4774941
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Maybe it's just because there's nothing else going on with the case at the moment, but a lot of people taking issue with this:
In the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial, Judge Schroeder granted the request of “a female juror” to bring home a full set of the court’s instructions on the law when he once again ended the trial day before dusk on the third day of deliberations.
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A good judge would have either sent the jurors out of the room or taken the lawyers to a sidebar where the request could be discussed without the jurors being apprised of which side was objecting and why. (For that matter, a good judge would not have needed input from the lawyers to understand why a request of this sort should be politely denied.) Schroeder, by contrast, pondered the matter in his ponderous way and foolishly agreed to the request without asking for counsels’ positions.
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That is, Schroeder first made the bad decision and only then made a record about why it was a bad decision. When he noted the defense lawyers’ apparent but muted disapproval when the juror made the request, Mark Richards, one of Rittenhouse’s attorneys, opined that the jurors might do an Internet research on the instructions.
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The proper objection would have been that the jury is supposed to deliberate as a jury.
While I agree with the later points he makes about keeping them longer or sequestering them, taking the instructions doesn't seem unreasonable. Are you really not supposed to even think about a case without the rest of the jury being present? Maybe it's because I've never been on a jury, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal.
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Verdict comes today while Kamala is President . Dark green helicopters everywhere..... [tinfoil] I get my foil at Costco, got plenty
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Maybe it's just because there's nothing else going on with the case at the moment, but a lot of people taking issue with this:
While I agree with the later points he makes about keeping them longer or sequestering them, taking the instructions doesn't seem unreasonable. Are you really not supposed to even think about a case without the rest of the jury being present? Maybe it's because I've never been on a jury, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal.
If anything, I think I'd argue the opposite. Justice is probably best served if, after discussing matters with other jurors, each member was able to take some time alone to think about it and process the situation for themselves.
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Correia has a post that jurors mentioned the media coverage when entering the court today. So much for not watching the news.
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Drop kick man fully identified with identity released. Said he offered to testify for the prosecution, prosecutors claimed they never spoke to him and didn't know who he was.
Video of Kyle and car lot owners surfaces, goes against the prosecutor's claim.
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## Verdict in, about to be read ##
Not guilty!!
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Not guilty across the board.
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Let the festivities begin!
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Let the festivities begin!
You mean, "peaceful demonstrations."
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You mean, "peaceful demonstrations."
Potato Potatoe
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Let the festivities begin!
Yup. Some folks will be getting a head start on their Christmas shopping.
Also, let the defamation lawsuits begin. There is a long list of potential defendants.
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We can’t even begin to imagine how Kyle Rittenhouse is feeling right now.
But one thing’s for sure:
I hope Wisconsin has terrible weather this weekend.
— Noam Blum (@neontaster) November 19, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/breaking-kyle-rittenhouse-found-not-guilty-on-all-counts/
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I have almost no doubt Biden and members of congress will be characterizing this as a miscarriage of justice and federal hate crime charges are filed.
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Wow! I was expecting at least some not guilty verdicts on some stuff, but really was afraid they were still going to pop him on some lesser charge (even though he wasn't guilty) to attempt to appease the mob. Good for Kyle.
Good on this jury. I feel bad for them now though - they will definitely need some protection for a while, and I hope they don't end up getting fired from jobs or other cancel culture stuff.
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MSNBC and CNN printed their addresses yet?
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Took freaking long enough!!
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Pleasantly surprised.
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I am absolutely gob smacked. Very glad to see almost actual "justice" for a change. Actual justice would have happened if his acts would have been recognized as the self defense they were and he had not been charged in the first place.
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Hopefully the feds will not charge him and escalate the persecution.
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I am surprised: I thought it would be a mixed bag of not guilty on the major charges and guilty on the lesser ones (counts 2 and 3).
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I’m in downtown Chicago until Sunday morning. Police all over in groups of 4-8. So far, the natives are calm. Tomorrow night is the big holiday parade on Michigan ave and the streets will be packed. I will be sequestered with a bottle of wine and watching from the 25th floor of the Marriott
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Rats usually come out at night
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Jen Psaki, as a representative of the White House, calls for "peaceful protests" for the US legal process doing what it was supposed to do, because the White House doesn't like the result.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/before-kyle-rittenhouse-was-declared-not-guilty-jen-psaki-said-wh-called-for-peaceful-protests-so-what-happens-now/
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A black acquaintance of mine has a funny take on Rittenhouse and self defense.
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So, much like when Trump at his Jan 6th rally told everyone to be peaceful Biden should now be held personally responsible for any rioting after the Rittenhouse verdict.
I'm also concerned that this may signal impending federal intervention in the case.
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So, much like when Trump at his Jan 6th rally told everyone to be peaceful Biden should now be held personally responsible for any rioting after the Rittenhouse verdict.
I'm also concerned that this may signal impending federal intervention in the case.
I can't think of anything federal they could go after him for, except maybe firearm straw purchase. Even though he Crossed State Linesâ„¢, he didn't do so for any unlawful purpose so what difference does it make (Mann Act?)
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I can't think of anything federal they could go after him for, except maybe firearm straw purchase. Even though he Crossed State Linesâ„¢, he didn't do so for any unlawful purpose so what difference does it make (Mann Act?)
They will find something, even if they have to make it up out of whole cloth.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/communist-rioters-scream-and-run-away-in-terror-as-rittenhouse-emerges-from-courthouse
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And the ACLU has weighed in:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/aclu-paints-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-as-a-victory-for-dangerous-disgusting-unacceptable-white-supremacy/
If riots start, it will be because of the White House, the MSM, and big tech, especially Twitter.
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The White House calls for "peaceful protests":
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/before-kyle-rittenhouse-was-declared-not-guilty-jen-psaki-said-wh-called-for-peaceful-protests-so-what-happens-now/
I presume that "peaceful protest" is a dog whistle for rioting.
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Turned on a live feed. :facepalm: Whole lot of stupid being said.
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And the ACLU has weighed in:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/aclu-paints-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-as-a-victory-for-dangerous-disgusting-unacceptable-white-supremacy/
If riots start, it will be because of the White House, the MSM, and big tech, especially Twitter.
Must be confusing this with some other trial
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You could tell as the verdicts were being read the first one didn’t quite sink in right away. By the third he was doing everything he could to hold his composure, and after the final one was read he instantly lost it. The emotions of his whole life suddenly flowing back to him must have been incredible and overwhelming.
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I am surprised: I thought it would be a mixed bag of not guilty on the major charges and guilty on the lesser ones (counts 2 and 3).
Honest question. Was that what though would happen, or what you thought should happen? I was in the former camp for quite a while myself, especially as the deliberations dragged on into today.
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The Wisconsin Lt Governor weighed in. This should help keep things calm:
Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, who is Black and a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, reacted bitterly to the outcome.
“Over the last few weeks, many dreaded the outcome we just witnessed," Barnes said. "The presumption of innocence until proven guilty is what we should expect from our judicial system, but that standard is not always applied equally. We have seen so many black and brown youth killed, only to be put on trial posthumously, while the innocence of Kyle Rittenhouse was virtually demanded by the judge.”
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Hope they sue the pants off many MSM outlets.
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Brady United blames the gun lobby
Brady United on the Rittenhouse Verdict: It Was the Gun Lobby’s Fault
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/brady-united-on-the-rittenhouse-verdict-it-was-the-gun-lobbys-fault/
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Whole lot of stupid
The Left's Unhinged Reaction to Justice in the Rittenhouse Trial Has Begun
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/11/19/the-lefts-unhinged-reaction-to-justice-in-the-rittenhouse-trial-has-begun-n2599380
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I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.
:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?
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Quote from: Joe Biden
I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.
:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?
Wait, what? Did he actually say that?
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I wonder if the prosecutions plan all along was to force a mistrial?
There was such an overwhelming amount of evidence that the actual encounter(s) were self defense, what else could they have been thinking?
That means the judge and to a lesser extent the defense didn't take the bait despite the prosecutions provocations.
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Wait, what? Did he actually say that?
I haven't seen video, but it's been reported by multiple places now.
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Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked
President Biden stands by jury ruling in Kyle Rittenhouse trial
President Biden said he stands by what the jury concluded in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which declared Rittenhouse not guilty on all charges filed against him.
President Biden made the statement while responding to past comments by Joe Biden's then-presidential campaign which compared Rittenhouse to a White supremacist.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury
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Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury
Maybe the handlers got coloscopies as well.
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“He was acting weird, he was acting funny when I tried to talk to him before so I was on alert because I perceived a threat.”
He perceived a threat from an unarmed man who was running AWAY from him.
He hunted HIM yet thought HE was a threat.
This is being black in #AmeriKKKa.
— yvette nicole brown (@YNB) November 18, 2021
:O
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FElEQhKWYAI-QfP?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest. https://t.co/Uh95Uc1Ddo
— Rep. Nadler (@RepJerryNadler) November 19, 2021
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Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.
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Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.
I don't he's going to be the problem in that
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Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury
President Biden stands by jury ruling in Kyle Rittenhouse trial
President Biden said he stands by what the jury concluded in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which declared Rittenhouse not guilty on all charges filed against him.
President Biden made the statement while responding to past comments by Joe Biden's then-presidential campaign which compared Rittenhouse to a White supremacist.
Nevermind
Biden issues another statement on Rittenhouse trial in which he says the not-guilty verdict left him "angry and concerned": pic.twitter.com/zrrmA6nE7V
— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) November 19, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/well-there-goes-my-earlier-praise-we-shouldve-known-better-than-to-think-that-joe-biden-would-by-his-initial-statement-on-kyle-rittenhouse/
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Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.
He will be back in the news when he starts filing lawsuits against the main scream media liars.
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Let’s Sue Brandon.
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:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?
Props where props are due if he said that. The question will be, will he stick to it, or will his handlers start giving him "but..." soundbytes in the next few days?
It does sound like it might be something he said himself, before his "they won't let me" crew got to him.
Edit: Oops, missed WLJ's post above where he already backtracked.
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Props where props are due if he said that. The question will be, will he stick to it, or will his handlers start giving him "but..." soundbytes in the next few days?
It does sound like it might be something he said himself, before his "they won't let me" crew got to him.
Check out reply 578. He put it in reverse
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1461788592527839241 Crazy reaction by a lady, she ends up fine and comes back to thank the people who helped her later on.
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Lifting one to Kyle tonight.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr
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Lifting one to Kyle tonight.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr
I have never seen that! I would buy it; my all-time favorite whiskey is Wild Turkey 101 Rye but it has not been available for years. (it's supposed to be back, but none of the liquor stores around here have it and they almost pretend they've never heard of it)
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I have never seen that! I would buy it; my all-time favorite whiskey is Wild Turkey 101 Rye but it has not been available for years. (it's supposed to be back, but none of the liquor stores around here have it and they almost pretend they've never heard of it)
Advantage of living in Kentucky for that kind stuff , shows in stock locally. =D
And I just checked, Riddenhouse Rye in stock locally too. =D =D
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1461788592527839241 Crazy reaction by a lady, she ends up fine and comes back to thank the people who helped her later on.
Of course she ends up fine. That's as fake a seizure as you can get. Even if it was a real one, best to just let it kill her. If you're that weak, Darwin doesn't want you around.
I've seen whacky protestors on the right, but they never approach the weird ass emo *expletive deleted*it like wailing at the sky that the lefties do. These microaggression addicts are to weak to live.
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Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.
Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt. =D
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/19/black-rifle-coffee-who-disavowed-rittenhouse-silent-after-not-guilty-verdict/
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Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt. =D
Okay I'm confused. Is BRCC on or off the naughty list? Didn't it turn out they were liberal or was that BS?
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An oldie, but worth remembering:
(https://i.imgur.com/mMFPvzd.jpg)
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Live feed at the court house.
Got it up in a tab to see if anything blows up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HCQ6O3tYx8
Edit: Went dead
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Okay I'm confused. Is BRCC on or off the naughty list? Didn't it turn out they were liberal or was that BS?
I posted that because Kyle in their tshirt again would be an epic troll. They're off my list because the decided people like me were "proudboy-like" and they didn't want my business. I won't tell anyone else to buy or not buy their coffee. My decision is not to support someone who hates me.
Anyway, they just SPAC'd their company, so my guess is that Hafer and Best are getting ready to pull a golden parachute ripcord while the getting is good.
Fake but funny:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEg53EfXoAQDBAP?format=jpg&name=small)
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Lifting one to Kyle tonight.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr
Got dirty looks from the staff when I mentioned this brand at the local ABC store this afternoon. They didn't have any, unfortunately.
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Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.
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I am absolutely gob smacked. Very glad to see almost actual "justice" for a change. Actual justice would have happened if his acts would have been recognized as the self defense they were and he had not been charged in the first place.
According to the lieutenant governor of Wisconsin and the ACLU, this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice.
Translation: "We should have just lynched him."
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Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.
As I saw from some meme be sure to drink it right. The Rittenhouse: A chaser followed by three shots.
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Fake but funny:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEg53EfXoAQDBAP?format=jpg&name=small)
Too bitter for my taste.
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Wait, what? Did he actually say that?
What else could he say? Unlike the defense, the prosecution in a criminal case doesn't get to appeal when they lose.
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Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing burning a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt. =D
FIFY
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Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.
:rofl:
So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc. They mad about the verdict. My confusion is this: if a white kid w/ no rap sheet had been sent up for such obvious acts of self-defense, what possible chance could a black person have of exercising their right of self-defense? If the US is as white-supremacist as claimed? Especially when so many more black men would be hamstrung by having a criminal record in their background (casts suspicion on them, and bars them from legal gun ownership).
I know, I know, applying logic where it isn't wanted. Sigh.
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I wish he could get a National (valid in all States and possessions) lifetime any gun, any caliber, any ammunition carry license.
Actually, with enough bodyguards, he could make a career out of stumping for gun rights, but wisdom is he shut up and go into a witness protection program.
He isn't going to get a job anywhere without changing IDs, I suspect.
I raise my glass to him and his attorney.
Terry. 230RN
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I could actually see him and the kid from Covington doing a media startup...
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:rofl:
So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc. They mad about the verdict. My confusion is this: if a white kid w/ no rap sheet had been sent up for such obvious acts of self-defense, what possible chance could a black person have of exercising their right of self-defense? If the US is as white-supremacist as claimed? Especially when so many more black men would be hamstrung by having a criminal record in their background (casts suspicion on them, and bars them from legal gun ownership).
I know, I know, applying logic where it isn't wanted. Sigh.
Saw something were they were going on about of course an all white jury, all white prosecution, all white defense, and a white judge were going to let off a white supremacist.
Now I have zero idea about the race makeup of the jury.
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Yeah, well, his assailants were... all white.
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So far quiet. At least I haven't seen anything mentioned yet.
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Kenosha, WI, protests over Kyle Rittenhouse verdict don't materialize; 2 planned in Chicago
https://abc7chicago.com/kenosha-wi-protests-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict/11254394/
There are two protests planned over the verdict in Chicago. The first, called "The People Say Guilty!" will be held Friday at 6 p.m. in Federal Plaza, organized by the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
The second is organized by Black Lives Matter Chicago for Saturday, Nov. 20, at 2 p.m. in Federal Plaza
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:rofl:
So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc. . . .
They never heard of O.J. Simpson?
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Speaking of Black Rifle Coffee
Black Rifle Coffee MUST Apologize To Kyle Rittenhouse & New York Times In Big Trouble!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwXOchG2P0M
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Actually, with enough bodyguards, he could make a career out of stumping for gun rights, but wisdom is he shut up and go into a witness protection program.
He isn't going to get a job anywhere without changing IDs, I suspect.
What college would he be able to go to?
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I could actually see him and the kid from Covington doing a media startup...
Start up? By the time Kyle’s done with his lawsuits the two of them should be able to buy out cnn.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9958-1.jpg)
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Start up? By the time Kyle’s done with his lawsuits the two of them should be able to buy out cnn.
And Black Rifle Coffee
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Anyway, they just SPAC'd their company, so my guess is that Hafer and Best are getting ready to pull a golden parachute ripcord while the getting is good.
What is SPAC?
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What is SPAC?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
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Yeah, I can see BRCC wanting to get the money while they can. It seems like they've had their moment in the limelight.
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OMG!!! such fun.
I'M ENJOYING IT SO MUCH
important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.
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important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.
Nadler is already making noise about it.
Range report on the Rittenhouse Rye: Quite good, makes a nice spicey old fashioned.
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Headlines on MSNBC
The Rittenhouse verdict is a symptom of a much bigger sickness in America
'There is no justice today': Family of man killed by Rittenhouse speak out
The Rittenhouse jury just endorsed an incredibly dangerous vision for America\
How will the U.S. react to the Rittenhouse verdict? The signs aren't good.
Maya Wiley on Rittenhouse verdict: 'We're in more danger today than we were yesterday'
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Protests in NYC More police than protesters though :police:
Looting reported in Chicago (unconfirmed by anything I can find at the moment)
Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLFG5L7Sa0
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One of my hunting buddies snagged a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye. We’ll be drinking a toast to Kyle this weekend.
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Protesters carrying signs "Abolish the police"
If it wasn't for the police there would be thousands of Kyles [ar15] out right now so take your pick
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The people claiming that Trump supporters are “insurrectionists” for trying to overturn and undermine the results of a lawful election are the same people trying to overturn and undermine the results of a lawful trial. https://t.co/mYSbBgCd3W
— Mike Kilo (@Mike___Kilo) November 20, 2021
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Soviet flags flying in Denver
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'There is no justice today': Family of man killed by Rittenhouse speak
Which man? The guy who raped kids, or the guy who kidnapped a woman and held a knife to his grandmother? I would think that most families would breathe a sigh of relief at having those risks removed.
As for abolishing the police rallies, this situation is what happens when Gov. abdicates it’s duty to keep the peace. People who care about their communities will eventually step up, and they will be less reserved in their actions than a professional police force would be. Kyle’s actions were essentially a best case scenario for what could happen if people finally feel like they have to do their own policing. He only fired when given no other choice, he made split second decisions not to fire when people withdrew, and he only hit what he aimed at. I’d bet if you put 95% of the population into his exact scenario, there would be quite a few more dead and injured. The kid really impressed me with his restraint and skill. Plus, his trigger discipline was great, unlike flufferboy2004 who tried to Alec Baldwin the jury.
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Range report on the Rittenhouse Rye: Quite good, makes a nice spicey old fashioned.
Rittenhouse is not on my "straight sippin' whiskey" list, but it's very good in Old-fashioneds and Sazeracs. The first time I had it was in a Sazerac in a speakeasy.
Idaho State Liquor shows a bunch available locally. At 25 bucks a bottle, I should go get a bottle to support the team. =D
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It's interesting watching all the commie governors and commie big city mayors from states that are not Wisconsin all coming out and screaming that we need to do something about this verdict. A verdict in a legal trial, by a jury that obviously took this seriously enough to deliberate for three days, and knowing that it could have been easier to just ignore the evidence and find him guilty to appease the mob and protect their own lives.
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From the live feed
The bullets that went into Rosenbaum were meant for a black man.
:facepalm:
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It's interesting watching all the commie governors and commie big city mayors from states that are not Wisconsin all coming out and screaming that we need to do something about this verdict. A verdict in a legal trial, by a jury that obviously took this seriously enough to deliberate for three days, and knowing that it could have been easier to just ignore the evidence and find him guilty to appease the mob and protect their own lives.
I agree, this has been bothering me today too.
For all those governors, mayors, representatives, etc that are making comments saying this is a "miscarriage of justice", etc; I'd really like to know exactly what about this trial or the justice system of having trials by peers they think constitutes a "miscarriage of justice".
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"White Privilege" now has a new name.
This article is not surprising on multiple levels. "Woke", "Liberal", "Female", "PoC", self-righteous, hypocrite, etc. :facepalm:
https://news.yahoo.com/rittenhouse-verdict-sets-legal-precedent-184324203.html [barf]
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I wonder how much of the doctrinaire Left's outrage is the fact that we now have a very high-profile example of someone defending themselves with an AR-15. And they helped make it famous.
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Even if the hard Left, and gun control true believers will never admit it was self-defense, millions of people will never again believe that ARs are nothing but mass murder machines or LARPer toys.
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Why am I just now learning that Kenosha Kid is a music group?
https://kenoshakid.bandcamp.com/music
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As much as he wants to become a nurse, I think he should really think long and hard about the military. Or, if wokeness wasn’t infesting the military I’d suggest that. He’d make one heck of an NCO, especially in a combat role.
And as wise as laying low would normally be, it might behoove him to take advantage of the money making opportunities available right now. A few years from now the interest won’t be nearly as much. That $2mil bail fund is unlikely to wind up in his hands, so the speaking circuit, paid interviews, book/movie deals (as a consultant if not subject), etc could be very lucrative.
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Would you trust the current military leadership to leave him alone?
He will figure something out. There are people out there who would give him a job. He may have more trouble than most in finding those opportunities. Give it 6 months or a year and see how much publicity still follows him.
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Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html
A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted. Only this man was black and he actually shot at police. So self defense isn't just a white thing.
It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.
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OMG!!! such fun.
I'M ENJOYING IT SO MUCH
important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.
They will want to close the "self defense loophole".
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This kid should make enough from defamation lawsuits over the next couple of years that his entire extended family will live like Midas. Nick Sandman has already reached out to him, and the lawyer that first got the OSHA rule stopped is offering to go after Biden for him. He’ll never have a normal life, might as well have a comfortable one.
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oh man, it's hysterically funny, watching me liberal friends on FB.
If I had more energy I would be having a blast.
Frankly, after it all boils over and they forget, I am worried that they successfully use this against gun owners.
BUT, IS IS SO FUNNY WATCHING the stupid FREAK OUT.
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This kid should make enough from defamation lawsuits over the next couple of years that his entire extended family will live like Midas. Nick Sandman has already reached out to him, and the lawyer that first got the OSHA rule stopped is offering to go after Biden for him. He’ll never have a normal life, might as well have a comfortable one.
Considering he just went through a criminal case, I don't know if the media has the same liability with this case versus Sandman. With Sandman, the media fabricated the whole story out of thin air and essentially attacked and publicized a 16 year old minor who did nothing wrong (and they knew it). I think that is why Sandman is getting settlements as his case won't be so easy to fight. I don't know if Kyle will get the same result as his case was very public.
Zimmerman sued NBC (I think) who edited the 911 recording to make him look racist and guilty. His lawsuit got tossed, but I don't remember if there was some reason that happened.
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Yeah, as despicable as the media has been with Rittenhouse I don’t think he’ll get anywhere with suing the media. Maybe the ones that have kept pushing the lies even after the evidence was reported in court. But, e.g. the Young Turks walked back their BS during the trial. They’re probably pretty safe from Kyle, unfortunately.
Kyles best bet will be paid speeches and interviews and such. If were his lawyer I’d advise him not to count on getting settlements, and to make use of such opportunities while his 15 minutes last.
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Seen at the protest graffiti. “All cops are Kyles.” Guys, please think this over. You had a much better chance of survival when they were just bastards. The murder death kill stats are about to be lit.
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Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html
A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted. Only this man was black and he actually shot at police. So self defense isn't just a white thing.
It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.
And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...
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It has been a LONG time since the classes, but...
I see falsehoods, and I see malice. Hence, I see libel.
And grounds for a suit.
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Plenty of links for people to find and look at, but it appears "peaceful protests" are spreading, most in the usual places. At this point, in places like Portland and Oakland, I'm almost gleeful to see them burn their own city down. It seems to be what they want.
From Oakland:
(https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2021/11/624/351/5345bf01c1ed02ef50313ddc4ede880c.jpg?tl=1&ve=1)
If you make the pedo your "hero", I hope you get run over by a bus.
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Also, I've read at least a half dozen articles now where this was an "unfair" trial because the defendant was white and the jury was predominately white. Why do I never hear about "unfairness" when it's a POC defendant and the jury is predominately POC? I certainly hear complaints when the defendant is POC and the jury is predominately white, yet for Kyle, they want a POC jury for "fairness".
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Should have been a jury of wise Latinas, obviously.
Oh, I mean Latinxs. Latinxes? Latinxi? Maybe it's Latinxen, like "oxen."
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It has been a LONG time since the classes, but...
I see falsehoods, and I see malice. Hence, I see libel.
And grounds for a suit.
The problem with suing the media is they can claim, with enough plausibility to fend off a suit, that they were just reporting on what the prosecutors were saying. Sandmann won all his settlements largely because there wasn’t any crime, let alone criminal charges or trial, so they didn’t get that cloak to cover themselves from liability. The prosecution has nearly impenetrable immunity from liability when acting officially.
Where Kyle might have a case worth pursuing will be with those media outlets that continue to make blatant false claims even now that the trial is over and he was acquitted.
While Biden’s comments post verdict were vile, suing him successfully will be very difficult. By now Kyle a “public figure” which means proving actual malice to win a lawsuit. All Biden has to say is that he disagrees with the legality of what Kyle did, but [NPR voice] clearly [/NPR voice] wasn’t malicious in nature. How many courts will smack Biden with a clue-x-4 over that?
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Here's what CNN has to say about "the two men killed and the 'sole survivor' ". Rosenbaum was just an innocent guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the one line about his multiple instances of child molestation were written as "sexual conduct".
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/us/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-victims-trial/index.html
Oh, and they have this right under the above article:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/20/us/angry-white-men-trials-blake-cec/index.html
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Many MSM outlets especially MSNBC are still running with many of the same proven false narratives they were before the trial. They think they're immune from any consequences and are still trying to inflame riots and a full on race war. Time to let them know just how wrong they are.
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Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html
A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted. Only this man was black and he actually shot at police. So self defense isn't just a white thing.
It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.
And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...
Somewhat similar to the Breonna Taylor case here in Louisville.
But in this case her boyfriend, a felon, open fire on the still outside police through the door AFTER they knocked and IDed themselves* striking one. The police returned fire and the reason she was struck was because he was firing from behind her in the hallway at the time. Despite the fact he was a felon with a gun and had fired on police striking one he was let go due to political pressure
The police were at time looking for her other boyfriend a drug dealer.
*Confirmed by some of her neighbors
The street narrative is that the police just barged in and shot her in bed just because Completely counter to what witnesses and evidence say happened
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Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html
A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted. Only this man was black and he actually shot at police. So self defense isn't just a white thing.
It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.
The difference between a no-knock and an announced dynamic entry raid is a whisper in a hallway at 3AM.
That bullshit has to stop.
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The difference between a no-knock and an announced dynamic entry raid is a whisper in a hallway at 3AM.
That bullshit has to stop.
In the Taylor case several witnesses (her neighbors) have stated the police did knock and ID themselves, the boyfriend then started shooting through the door.
Wasn't clear about that fact above so I added it.
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And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...
I have never understood the concept of "serving" a warrant by smashing your way into a residence at oh-dark-thirty, rather than knocking on the door like a civilized person and displaying a copy of the warrant so the occupant(s) can read it and verify that it's a legal warrant. It's one thing to do a no-knock warrant "service" when trying to apprehend an armed and known violent felon. It's uncalled for when searching for inanimate objects.
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New Headlines on MSNBC this morning. If they're not actively trying incite riots and start a race war then what are they doing?
Malcolm Nance: White nationalists are high-fiving over the Rittenhouse verdict
Where the prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case went wrong, according to a civil rights lawyer
The judicial system 'was designed to do exactly what it did' for Rittenhouse
The Rittenhouse verdict exposes how America's become more comfortable with violence
Why Kyle Rittenhouse's not guilty verdict actually makes perfect sense. (The article makes it clear what they mean by that)
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The judicial system 'was designed to do exactly what it did' for Rittenhouse
So the judicial system was designed to harass an obviously innocent young man (a white man for our racist friends on the left), while failing to punish a criminal who illegally had and illegally used a firearm, and another creep that admitted to assault, apparently. Such breathtaking insight from MSNBC...
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omg I am friends with one of Bob's Dylans girlfriends , she is in her seventies and all her friends are hollywood and Rock elite..
I'm having so much fun. I am remaining calm,nice, and asking them questions and their screaming and pulling out their hair LOL LOL.
she wants to block me but we have been friends since the seventies and can't, bwaahahahahahah.
Asking hollywood and rocks elites to defend their evil , without their writers and advisors is such a hoot!!
its really enjoyable!!
They're really freaking out. they have a lot of power so it scares me a bit.
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Shouldn't that be at least 7 shots? ;)
bob
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Somewhat similar to the Breonna Taylor case here in Louisville.
But in this case her boyfriend, a felon, open fire on the still outside police through the door AFTER they knocked and IDed themselves* striking one. The police returned fire and the reason she was struck was because he was firing from behind her in the hallway at the time. Despite the fact he was a felon with a gun and had fired on police striking one he was let go due to political pressure
The police were at time looking for her other boyfriend a drug dealer.
*Confirmed by some of her neighbors
The street narrative is that the police just barged in and shot her in bed just because Completely counter to what witnesses and evidence say happened
City Officials here in Grand Rapids, Mi. even named a street after Taylor.
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Lots of people are suddenly "clarifying" stuff since the not guilty verdict. Here's Gofundme:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/20/damage-control-allow-gofundme-to-clarify-something-in-light-of-the-rittenhouse-trial-result/
I actually don't remember exactly what happened with them and the Rittenhouse Gofundme, but their "clarification" is not believable to me. I'm betting there are a bunch more Gofundmes besides the examples in the link that were used to collect money for someone defending themselves in court after being accused of a violent crime. They are just politically acceptable recipients.
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... and the memes keep coming:
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb112021dAPC20211120014506.jpg)
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City Officials here in Grand Rapids, Mi. even named a street after Taylor.
I haven't even said anything about what the MSM covers up about her.
She was forced out of her paramedic job for stealing drugs from hospitals and other reported infractions.
Was reportedly running BF #1's drug business while he was in jail.
Was a murder suspect.
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I haven't even said anything about what the MSM covers up about her.
She was forced out of her paramedic job for stealing drugs from hospitals and other reported infractions.
Was reportedly running BF #1's drug business while he was in jail.
Was a murder suspect.
1) When the left gets a purely innocent victim (like I think John Crawford III was) they couldn't care less. They only want "victims" who the right will reject because what they really want is controversy not justice.
2) I am not really familiar with the Taylor case, but her past is irrelevant if the cops that shot her didn't know it (and is probably irrelevant if they did.) After the fact, maybe the world is a better place without her in it; again irrelevant to the case but maybe consolation to the ones involved.
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Brandon Herrera weighs in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSdsxyi6I6I
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Live feed from Chicago
Holding up a banner "End The Trump Era"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LR-SZmp4oM
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(Raylan Givens approves)
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1) When the left gets a purely innocent victim (like I think John Crawford III was) they couldn't care less. They only want "victims" who the right will reject because what they really want is controversy not justice.
2) I am not really familiar with the Taylor case, but her past is irrelevant if the cops that shot her didn't know it (and is probably irrelevant if they did.) After the fact, maybe the world is a better place without her in it; again irrelevant to the case but maybe consolation to the ones involved.
The biggest thing the police did wrong in this is firing blindly back into the apartment not knowing her BF was apparently firing from behind her in the hallway. Take from that what you will about the BF. And yes the police can be faulted for firing blindly.
There is some question about how the warrant was obtained but it's all been too shrouded in a fog of distortions and lies to tell what's true what's not.
The media keeps making hay about it being a no-knock warrant but apparently they didn't use that way and it is confirmed by her neighbors they did knock and IDed themselves as police before the BF started firing through the door.
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When you're talking to them, and the first thing that you say is... "Yeah, well, first this baby raper was coming after the kid and trying to grab his firearm..."
They get confused.
"Well, yeah - the guy had a record. With kids. If he had gotten that AR-15, what do you think he planned to do with it?"
They get more confused.
Open their minds.
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Now we have to hear from this racist jackass as well?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/white-supremacy-cannot-be-reformed-colin-kaepernick-says-the-rittenhouse-verdict-validates-the-need-to-abolish-our-current-system/
A couple of the better comments:
Yet you applauded that same system when it convicted Derek Chauvin.
You'd think this guy would be more upset about a white guy running around shouting the n-word at everybody than a case of white-on-white crime.
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Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA): “America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it. That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”
Pretty sure that's a basic right enshrined in our constitution, but I guess it bothers some people.
Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D-IL): “Carrying a loaded gun into a community 20 miles from your home and shooting unarmed citizens is fundamentally wrong.”
No, not really. Funny that you put it that way, though. You'd be OK with Kyle popping green card workers from his windowsill at home?
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Oops - I just figured out a way to crank it up a notch...
"skinhead baby raper."
There. That's gonna be SO much better...
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Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA): “America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it. That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”
Pretty sure that's a basic right enshrined in our constitution, but I guess it bothers some people.
I also take issue with the first part of the statement. Kyle was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. I would argue that he, by definition, didn't break any laws.
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The trial was supposed to redefine the laws.
Sigh.
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(https://i.redd.it/z1hvrzqv4t081.jpg)
Close. I will not be surprised if a former jury hold-out gives and interview and says the other intimidated them into changing their vote.
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"Jo Jo"?!?
Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.
We come together to mourn the lives lost to the same racist system that devalues Black lives and devalued the lives of Anthony and JoJo. #ReimagineKenosha
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/
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"Jo Jo"?!?
Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/
At this point I would only be shocked if they didn't.
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Rapists, pedophiles and murderers have been running the country all our lives, of course they would promote their own.
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Rapists, pedophiles and murderers have been running the country all our lives, of course they would promote their own.
I don’t think for even a second that the scummy elite care one whit for Rosenbaum just because some of them share his preferences.
Their defense of him is simply an attack on another tribe.
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"Jo Jo"?!?
Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/
The people that are saying “But Rosenbaum was a child rapist!” do not grasp that the people that think Rosenbaum was a hero also love and support pedophiles, or as they call them, Minor Attracted Individuals.
I’m telling you within a decade pedophilia will be legal on the left coast.
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I don't know that "giving benefit of doubt" is the appropriate phrase to use, but I wouldn't be surprised if these Hollywood people and others have either zero knowledge of the pedo's background, or believe the rap sheet is fake and some kind of conservative plot. There are a number of MSM outlets from which you would never know what his background is. Others simply use the euphemistic term "sexual conduct" (not even "sexual MISconduct") when referring to his disgusting background. They just interview his whacko girlfriend who tells them what a great and kind person he was.
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/)
Girlfriend of Huber, the beater of girlfriends? Boy, she can pick 'em. Real judge of character, there.
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I don’t think for even a second that the scummy elite care one whit for Rosenbaum just because some of them share his preferences.
Their defense of him is simply an attack on another tribe.
Probably true, it's always the ends justify the means with them. They will use whatever or whomever furthers their goals.
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I don't know that "giving benefit of doubt" is the appropriate phrase to use, but I wouldn't be surprised if these Hollywood people and others have either zero knowledge of the pedo's background, or believe the rap sheet is fake and some kind of conservative plot.
I am pretty sure that Mr. Rittenhouse had no knowledge of his background either.
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I am pretty sure that Mr. Rittenhouse had no knowledge of his background either.
Irrelevant. We're discussing people who are, after the event, via either ignorance or willfully lying, making Rosenbaum out to be a caring hero who helped little old ladies across the street.
Also, Rittenhouse did have background information on Rosenbaum. He had firsthand knowledge of Rosenbaum's maniacal tendencies.
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/)
Girlfriend of Huber, the beater of girlfriends? Boy, she can pick 'em. Real judge of character, there.
Hmmm ... yeah.
“This kid was walking around like hot s–t, looking for a reason to say, ‘Oh, I gotta do something about this,’” she said.
"This" being the [mostly peaceful] burning and looting of a large chunk of Kenosha. So, yeah, Rittenhouse was looking to do something about "this." And her dirtbag BF was contributing to "this."
“You are not going to tell me that these motherf–kers did not know that this militia was here. You’re not gonna tell me that,” she continued, adding that a special prosecutor outside of Kenosha County should’ve been appointed to the case.
“They gotta put some heat on this kid because if they let him completely off the hook, then they have to totally take responsibility for allowing what happened to happen.”
I do agree that the City of Kenosha is responsible. If the city's police had done their job and shut down the [mostly peaceful] riots, private citizens like Kyle Rittenhouse would not have felt it necessary to step into the void and deploy to protect private property.
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Is there anyone in the past 20-30 years or so that the left has elevated to saintly hero status that wasn't a career criminal and/or a disgusting excuse for a human being overall?
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Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
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Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
Model KR-15
“Kenosha Miracle”
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Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
Kenosha hat trick.
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Someone drove a SUV into a parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. Gun fire reported as well.
Didn't know if I should have started a new thread or not. Posted here because it could be related to the trial
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Eyewitnesses indicate the driver of the car also fired shots out of the window while they sped through the parade.
Multiple injuries reported after car drives through crowd at Waukesha holiday parade
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/car-drives-through-crowd-at-waukesha-holiday-parade-multiple-injured
Multiple People Injured At Waukesha Christmas Parade: Report
https://patch.com/wisconsin/waukesha/incident-reported-waukesha-christmas-parade-report
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You can hear gun shots in the video. Not sure if they were coming from the SUV or police.
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Son of a *expletive deleted*ing bitch
Guy floored it and plowed straight into a group of 20 children dancers in the parade and sped off
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No name or description of the "person of interest" says volumes...
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Multiple injuries reported after car drives through crowd at Waukesha holiday parade
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/car-drives-through-crowd-at-waukesha-holiday-parade-multiple-injured
Multiple People Injured At Waukesha Christmas Parade: Report
https://patch.com/wisconsin/waukesha/incident-reported-waukesha-christmas-parade-report
IDGAF if the driver was a random idiot, drunk, targeting someone for revenge, bat-guano crazy, a jihadi, antefa, BLM supporter, or even a Rittenhouse supporter. They should be hung from the nearest lamppost.
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Hey mods, If this had no connection to the Rittenhouse trial can you please delete my posts above since we have another thread going? I may have had bit of a knee jerk reaction.
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Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
Hank Strange had some Palmetto State Armory guys on show last Friday. When asked about a Rittenhouse lower, they said absolutely not. They did not want do anything that would keep Rittenhouse in the spotlight any longer than he had to be. Let him attempt to go back to a normal life. I can agree with that.
I am sure another issue will come up. They have a Peacuck-15 which is supposed to be a criticism of NBC and media. Has a logo that looks like a retarded peacock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8gNjTsCynw
He started doing his show live on Utreon as they allow guns to be shown on a livestream. He uploads it to youtube afterward.
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"Jo Jo"?!?
Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/
I think about what I see in movies the last several years. Hollywood seems to have trouble writing and playing good heroes for the most part. Most heroes are deconstructed and "flawed" in some way. However, they write good villains and seem to like playing them.
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I posted a remark on Ruffalo's twitter...
"Why are you cheering for a baby raper?" or something like that...
I'm about 5 hours into a 12 hour time-out...
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Yep, his mouth is going to get him into more trouble. :facepalm:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-after-he-says-he-supports-movement-i-dont-f-with-you/ar-AAR0tw4
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Yep, his mouth is going to get him into more trouble. :facepalm:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-after-he-says-he-supports-movement-i-dont-f-with-you/ar-AAR0tw4
Yup, I saw that. I'm wondering if he has "handlers" right now and if they got him to say that? Wrong move, IMO. If he's gonna talk, he should have said something like "I support people's first amendment right to peacefully protest." Saying "BLM" only plays right into the hands of everyone saying he's a white supremacist when his trial had nothing to do with race.
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I guess he will have to learn that nothing he can say will convince some of these people that he is not a racist (or pick your word).
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NBC News Supplies YouTube a List of Videos to Delete & Channels to Demonetize
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/nbc-news-supplies-youtube-list-videos-delete-channels-demonetize/
I wonder if the MSM is going after the competition.
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MSNBC, the second amendment threatens the first amendment.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416 (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416)
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MSNBC, the second amendment threatens the first amendment.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416 (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416)
Tit for tat. They use the first to attack the second every day.
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From French G's article:
Vigilantism, not protesting, is becoming the preferred form of dissent in America.
I think they're confusing arson with vigilantism. Been a fückton more malicious fires than shot commies.
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There was a guy here in St. Louis lighting black churches on fire.
Definitely not a white supremacist...
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Vigilantism, not protesting, is becoming the preferred form of dissent in America.
Not true, but sadly, that would be an improvement over the status quo.
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Since "protesting" seems to have been redefined as "we're gonna get some new TVs and some new shoes..."
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https://twitter.com/GulagGoblin/status/1462958875011792905
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Question for those more familiar with the case, or with Wisconsin law: would Kyle have been legal to carry a handgun, openly or concealed, instead of the rifle?
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Question for those more familiar with the case, or with Wisconsin law: would Kyle have been legal to carry a handgun, openly or concealed, instead of the rifle?
Nope. Not legal to carry pistol, sbr, or sbs under 18.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c
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Add Meathead to the lawsuit list
Rob Reiner melts down over Kyle Rittenhouse’s visit to Mar-a-Lago
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/24/rob-reiner-melts-down-over-kyle-rittenhouses-visit-to-mar-a-lago/
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Rob Reiner melts down over Kyle Rittenhouse’s visit to Mar-a-Lago
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/24/rob-reiner-melts-down-over-kyle-rittenhouses-visit-to-mar-a-lago/
One part of me (a very small piece) says "what was he thinking?"
The rest says "How awesome for the kid!!"
He is a private citizen, he can do whatever he wants. I think it is even more awesome that liberal heads are exploding all over the place because of this.
My only complaint is Melania wasn't in the pictures. ;)
bob
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Party poopers
Folks behind Rittenhouse Straight Rye Whiskey ‘have been disheartened’ by some people using their product to toast to Kyle Rittenhouse not-guilty verdict
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/24/folks-behind-rittenhouse-straight-rye-whiskey-have-been-disheartened-by-some-people-using-their-product-to-toast-to-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict/
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Party poopers
Folks behind Rittenhouse Straight Rye Whiskey ‘have been disheartened’ by some people using their product to toast to Kyle Rittenhouse not-guilty verdict
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/24/folks-behind-rittenhouse-straight-rye-whiskey-have-been-disheartened-by-some-people-using-their-product-to-toast-to-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict/
I guess no one at these companies knows how to stay neutral anymore. It wouldn't have been hard, but it requires a bit of thought.
I suppose a dead pedophile and a dead domestic abuser could be considered a "profound loss of life" if one had just downed an entire fifth of straight rye whiskey, or if one wasn't raised with the greatest set of morals and values.
There was a way to say this that didn’t sound sanctimonious nor like you’ve picked sides. You’ve failed at that.
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That one commenter had another post on Twitter that was on point. =)
You should put out a commemorative Rosenbaum Rye. Aged between five and ten years, just like his rape victims.
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Will they be offering counseling services after the Arbery verdict?
Yeah, I know the answer to that
Best Buy offers employees counseling services after the Rittenhouse verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/best-buy-offers-employees-counseling-services-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict
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Nope. Not legal to carry pistol, sbr, or sbs under 18.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c
So carrying a big, scary-looking rifle was actually a very sensible means of protecting himself in the dangerous situation created by Rosenbaum, et al.
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Will they be offering counseling services after the Arbery verdict?
Yeah, I know the answer to that
Best Buy offers employees counseling services after the Rittenhouse verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/best-buy-offers-employees-counseling-services-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict
It would be nice if everyone who showed up wanted to work through their outrage and grief at an innocent young man being attacked, vilified, and nearly railroaded. A fella can dream...
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Did someone just red pill MSNBC or at least JS ?
‘Shocking to hear from MSNBC’: Joe Scarborough lets Al Sharpton and others know Dem-run cities are ‘out of control’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/24/shocking-to-hear-from-msnbc-joe-scarborough-lets-al-sharpton-and-others-know-dem-run-cities-are-out-of-control/
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Did someone just red pill MSNBC or at least JS ?
‘Shocking to hear from MSNBC’: Joe Scarborough lets Al Sharpton and others know Dem-run cities are ‘out of control’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/24/shocking-to-hear-from-msnbc-joe-scarborough-lets-al-sharpton-and-others-know-dem-run-cities-are-out-of-control/
But wait! There's more!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/11/24/nyt-video-democratdominated-states-are-the-problem-n2599632
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But wait! There's more!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/11/24/nyt-video-democratdominated-states-are-the-problem-n2599632
I am sure they have a plan to fix it. More Govt Regulation and Spending.
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:rofl:
talking to your leftist about rittenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUrwTEZAjU
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I am sure they have a plan to fix it. More Govt Regulation and Spending.
If that means re-funding the police and going back to that old, boomer tradition of regulating crime, that might just be crazy enough to work. Right now the Left is deregulating crime, and trying to outlaw everything else. Guess that's what happens after a few decades of calling good evil, and evil good.
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I'm dying here :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
RITTENHOUSE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpHuRO1QXgw
The Legend of Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtBy4nJ_P0
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Almost amazed YT hasn't shut them down.
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Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:
https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011
Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.
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Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:
https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011
Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.
WWOOOO AWHOOOO AWWOOOOOOOWOOOOWOOOOO
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Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:
https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011
Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.
We saw these qualities on display in the trial. Rather than wishing that principles of justice did not apply to Rittenhouse, we should mourn that they didn't extend farther—to those who were shot in the police confrontations precipitating last summer's unrest.
Like the Blake guy whose shooting spawned the riots Rittenhouse responded to. I'm sure I don't have to remind members here that Blake was shot by the police because he was resisting arrest while armed with a knife -- which he refused to relinquish when ordered to do so.
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My sig line on another forum
There are criminals among us who are both homicidal and incorrigible. Their parents took a shot at civilizing them and failed. Their school teachers took a shot at them and failed. The odds are overwhelming that government welfare programs and penal institutions took a shot at them and failed. If it ever becomes your turn to take a shot at them, don’t fail.
Fits here IMHO
For the life of me I can't remember where it came from.
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Kinda long-winded... Here's the South St. Louis City version...
"Stay strapped, or get clapped."
Had a couple of customers in my store today. Nice, fine upstanding young men, polite, paid attention to the car guys. Were in several times, because they were working on a project.
And they were happy to make sure that the stendo that one was carrying, and the other guy's poorly-belted firearm were concealed when asked to do so... Boomsticks tend to scare the "gentrified" customers.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/24/oklahoma-lawmaker-files-kyles-law-compensate-victims-malicious-prosecution/
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. . . make sure that the stendo that one was carrying . . .
Learned a new slang word today - thanks. ;)
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No prob... They like the sticks.
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Oh, and the conversation went something like "Guys, that scares the hipsters - concealed is concealed, okay?"
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Looks like Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming the Rashida Tlaib of the republican party. I mean, this is pretty, how you say, cuckoo.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/27/this-is-profoundly-ridiculous-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-to-award-kyle-rittenhouse-the-congressional-gold-medal/
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Loonies and grifters populate both sides of the uniparty.
It's all part of the show.
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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
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Looks like Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming the Rashida Tlaib of the republican party. I mean, this is pretty, how you say, cuckoo.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/27/this-is-profoundly-ridiculous-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-to-award-kyle-rittenhouse-the-congressional-gold-medal/
What's the counterargument?
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What's the counterargument?
Wiki
It is Congress's highest expression of national appreciation for distinguished achievements and contributions by individuals or institutions.[1] The congressional practice of issuing gold medals to occasionally honor recipients from the military began during the American Revolution. Later the practice extended to individuals in all walks of life and in the late 20th century also to groups. The Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom are the highest civilian awards in the United States.[2] The congressional medal seeks to honor those, individually or as a group, "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."[3]
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The congressional medal seeks to honor those, individually or as a group, "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."
That sounds like our boy.
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He missed one.
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Yeah but two out of three ain't bad.
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MTG is obviously trolling the Left, with predictably screechy results.
Part of me wants everyone to leave the kid alone.
Part of me wants him to get the medal just so I can watch heads explode.
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Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?
Is it really time for non trained, non professionals to start policing neighborhoods, openly bearing arms?
Is there no political recourse left?
As an aside I'm pleased with the result of the Rittenhouse verdict. I am empathetic with the desire to protect your neighborhood. If my neighborhood was threatened and the police abandoned me to the thugs it would not be out of the realm of possibility I would find myself in similar straights as Kyle.
Hopefully, this event is a wake up call to those who are participating in the looting and riots as well as a wake up call to law enforcement to do their damn jobs.
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Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?
Is it really time for non trained, non professionals to start policing neighborhoods, openly bearing arms?
Is there no political recourse left?
We are coming very close to this point. Those in charge seem to be intent on letting criminals run wild, and that is across the US. LE here in small town USA won’t do anything about property crime unless they catch them in the act and even then it’s only a slap on the wrist and let them right back out. Then you look at the big cities and how criminals who have been emboldened by criminal friendly laws are organizing flash mob robberies.
I watched Wednesday night as a woman stole a big screen TV from Walmart. She put it in her cart and leisurely and calmly pushed it out the door to her car. Loss prevention followed her out and could do nothing but watch. The corporations don’t care because they just make up the losses by raising prices. LE doesn’t care because they aren’t willing to end up on national news for confronting a thief over a $500 TV.
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Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?
Is it really time for non trained, non professionals to start policing neighborhoods, openly bearing arms?
Is there no political recourse left?
This isn't really new. Other riots have erupted and business owners have overtly protected their livelihoods by openly bearing arms. Since rioters decided to bypass them and nobody got shot, the news media soft pedaled it. (Although one woman made a YouTube video condemning a cell phone store for doing that - she apparently wanted to loot them.)
Think back to the Rodney King riots - the cops in LA didn't really become involved until the news media reported that the merchants of Koreatown had armed up and were protecting their own businesses from the mob. (Years afterwards you could still find humorous pictures on the web about "Rooftop Koreans" available for riot protection.) Some people wanted the cops to come down hard on the Koreans . . . but at that point the constabulary would have been seen to be actually working in concert with the rioters, becoming legitimate targets themselves, and things would have gotten very, very bad.
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He missed one.
Not really. He just didn't "finish" the job.
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"Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?"
We had that in the 1970s in some areas that were really hit hard with crime.
The reaction?
Authority came down like a ton of bricks on the individuals/organizations that dared to attempt to protect themselves, all while ignoring actual criminals.
Yeah, we're getting to that point again.
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Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?
In some places? Yes.
Here in St. Louis, they are very under strength. The administration doesn't support them, and the city attorney doesn't even bother to have anyone show up for murder trials.
Really.
Ever since the administration/machine, the media, and suburban brats with hot topic hair all tried to have local cops who had to use force crucified, the police have been hanging back. They show up for the reports. They don't want to "start something" that they would have to finish.
Sumdood and Dindu own the streets.
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Sumdood and Dindu own the streets.
Can you move? =(
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"Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?"
We had that in the 1970s in some areas that were really hit hard with crime.
The reaction?
Authority came down like a ton of bricks on the individuals/organizations that dared to attempt to protect themselves, all while ignoring actual criminals.
Yeah, we're getting to that point again.
I'm reminded of Atlanta's child murders circa 1980. Literally dozens of minority kids were murdered, and black parents took to walking their kids to school while carrying baseball bats and such to protect their children. From what I remember at the time, more police hours were spent harassing these "vigilante armed parents" than looking for the actual killer, a black man by the name of Wayne Williams. (Although IIRC he was only convicted of a few murders, not all of them.)
Oh, and the ultra-lefty cancel culture is going after Kyle Rittenhouse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe)
The gist is that anti-American student groups are demanding that the university withdraw Kyle's enrollment, since according to the lunatic fringe he's a murderer even though acquitted.
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Oh, and the ultra-lefty cancel culture is going after Kyle Rittenhouse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe)
The gist is that anti-American student groups are demanding that the university withdraw Kyle's enrollment, since according to the lunatic fringe he's a murderer even though acquitted.
If the university caves, which is a likelihood given that it's a university, that should be an easy win lawsuit for Kyle.
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I'm reminded of Atlanta's child murders circa 1980. Literally dozens of minority kids were murdered, and black parents took to walking their kids to school while carrying baseball bats and such to protect their children. From what I remember at the time, more police hours were spent harassing these "vigilante armed parents" than looking for the actual killer, a black man by the name of Wayne Williams. (Although IIRC he was only convicted of a few murders, not all of them.)
Oh, and the ultra-lefty cancel culture is going after Kyle Rittenhouse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe)
The gist is that anti-American student groups are demanding that the university withdraw Kyle's enrollment, since according to the lunatic fringe he's a murderer even though acquitted.
Bet they would welcome Mr. Dunham with open arms
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-who-told-police-he-fatally-shot-ex-hardeeville-fire-chief-in-2017-found-not-guilty/ar-AAKst66
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The Freedom Medal can be given to whole groups, huh? IMhO, the proposed honorees should include the defense attorney, the judge, and the whole jury.
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(https://img.patriotpost.us/01FN977NK3WHJ1PQNQ8XTER7J9.jpeg)
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Can you move? =(
I'm gonna outlast 'em.
The OGs don't like 'em either.
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Is law enforcement so absent or so converged into the system of lawlessness that neighborhoods need to start literally policing their own neighborhood?
Is it really time for non trained, non professionals to start policing neighborhoods, openly bearing arms?
Is there no political recourse left?
As an aside I'm pleased with the result of the Rittenhouse verdict. I am empathetic with the desire to protect your neighborhood. If my neighborhood was threatened and the police abandoned me to the thugs it would not be out of the realm of possibility I would find myself in similar straights as Kyle.
Hopefully, this event is a wake up call to those who are participating in the looting and riots as well as a wake up call to law enforcement to do their damn jobs.
i heard a rumor from a source i generally trust, the C.C.P wanted land or property in the vicinity of the riots-i do not have any links, it would take to long to track it all down
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I'm reminded of Atlanta's child murders circa 1980. Literally dozens of minority kids were murdered, and black parents took to walking their kids to school while carrying baseball bats and such to protect their children. From what I remember at the time, more police hours were spent harassing these "vigilante armed parents" than looking for the actual killer, a black man by the name of Wayne Williams. (Although IIRC he was only convicted of a few murders, not all of them.)
Oh, and the ultra-lefty cancel culture is going after Kyle Rittenhouse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-university-students-demand-administration-to-withdraw-kyle-rittenhouse-killer-off-our-campus/ar-AAReQRe)
The gist is that anti-American student groups are demanding that the university withdraw Kyle's enrollment, since according to the lunatic fringe he's a murderer even though acquitted.
One only needs to look at the reception that the Guardian Angels got in New York City during the time. IIRC one of the GA's who was continually harassed during the time said that if a NYPD officer saw a GA standing next to a guy murdering a Nun, the officer would arrest the GA. Much of that was apparently driven by the Koch administration. He later softened on the GAs, and later administrations supported them, but in the early days, they were no welcomed at all.
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One only needs to look at the reception that the Guardian Angels got in New York City during the time. IIRC one of the GA's who was continually harassed during the time said that if a NYPD officer saw a GA standing next to a guy murdering a Nun, the officer would arrest the GA. Much of that was apparently driven by the Koch administration. He later softened on the GAs, and later administrations supported them, but in the early days, they were no welcomed at all.
The Guardian Angels would never have been formed if the cops and courts had been doing their damned jobs - their formation was a very public rebuke to the authorities.
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Somewhat similar to the Breonna Taylor case here in Louisville.
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The police were at time looking for her other boyfriend a drug dealer.
Speaking of which
Jamarcus Glover, the target of the Breonna Taylor raid, sentenced to 5 years probation
https://www.wdrb.com/news/jamarcus-glover-the-target-of-the-breonna-taylor-raid-sentenced-to-5-years-probation/article_aea041ee-51fa-11ec-bb73-bbc9c3370012.html
Judge Perry decided five years of probation is what was needed.
"Your behavior with me since the first case gives me great concern -- your attitude and your criminality," Judge Perry said. "Because if you come back here and try to explain why I need to take another chance on you? That's highly unlikely."
If you have great concern then why?????..... :facepalm:
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How many years did his mother get for naming him Jamarcus?
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If you have great concern then why?????..... :facepalm:
Clown world.
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Clown world.
Agreed. All those man hours and SWAT raid all to get a sentence of 5 years probation. I am sure everyone involved is disgusted about that outcome.
"Your behavior with me since the first case gives me great concern -- your attitude and your criminality," Perry said. "Because if you come back here and try to explain why I need to take another chance on you? That's highly unlikely."
I wonder what the sentence would be if his behavior was good? A bouquet of flowers and a thank you note?
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This is a big lefty news site, so who knows what the truth is, but if accurate, between "I support BLM" and this, Kyle's handlers* really seem to be giving him bad advice, IMO. I don't expect him to be doing commercials for S&W ARs or anything, but I don't think the apologist route is the way to go either.
https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-destroying-the-rifle-he-used-in-kenosha-2021-12?amp
*Handlers, because I don't believe this is him coming up with some of this. I'm sure part of the strategy is to try and give him a normal life going forward, and reduce the media and other stalkers trying to destroy him. Still, this stuff seems like groveling and almost creating a narrative in which he's saying he did the wrong thing, and that he really is guilty of something, vs a guy who acted in self-defense. Not that it would have been good PR at all, and I wouldn't recommend it, but I bet he could have sold that rifle to somebody for a good $500K. =)
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If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?
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And notice that he has hung back, except for the Tucker thing...
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If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?
IANAL but my guess would be "Yes."
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If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?
From my understanding, only going forward. Liable committed previously when was not a “public person” is still more easily actionable.
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If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?
If this was a just world his willing enterance into public figurehood after the defamation took place it shouldn't.
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If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?
IMHO, it probably does for libel going forward. It does not affect lawsuits for defamation that occurred last year.
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My head hurts
Watch: ASU students protest ‘racist murderer’ Kyle Rittenhouse, who isn’t enrolled there but whose ancestors killed black and brown people
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/01/watch-asu-students-protest-racist-murderer-kyle-rittenhouse-who-isnt-enrolled-there-but-whose-ancestors-killed-black-and-brown-people/
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My head hurts
Watch: ASU students protest ‘racist murderer’ Kyle Rittenhouse, who isn’t enrolled there but whose ancestors killed black and brown people
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/01/watch-asu-students-protest-racist-murderer-kyle-rittenhouse-who-isnt-enrolled-there-but-whose-ancestors-killed-black-and-brown-people/
Oh, he IS enrolled there but only for on-line classes.
And, if those demonstrators feel that ASU is a "white supremacist" university, they should find another college !
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MAC looks at the forward assist and Rittenhouse using it to get his rifle going again that night.
Amazing he did so fast in the heat of the moment.
Kyle Rittenhouse and the AR15 Forward Assist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_cdXSVmVxw
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-destroying-ar-15-used-kenosha-shootings
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-destroying-ar-15-used-kenosha-shootings
I'm sure he will be able to afford all the rifles he wants soon.
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That immediately shuts down a lot of the spittlescreechers.
It's probably in a safe.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-destroying-ar-15-used-kenosha-shootings
Where have I read that before?
=D
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On some level I really can’t blame him. While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.
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Bodycam Footage of the pulled over NBC Producer who was following the KR Jury Bus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVd3p9wJJVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVd3p9wJJVo)
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On some level I really can’t blame him. While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.
Sold off the Glock 26 I had my little accident with. There was nothing wrong with the gun just every time I picked it up it gave me unpleasant feelings. Wouldn't mind having another G26 just not that one. It's a mental thing
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Lin Wood has always been a bit nutty, but I think the 2020 election just completely sent him off the deep end.
I plan to file defamation actions against all republishers of the false accusation of Kyle Rittenhouse,” Wood claimed, listing off the likes of Republican Reps. Dan Crenshaw and Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with the hosts of Fox & Friends, and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec as future defendants.
“I’ll sue every damn one of them,” he declared. “They acted with reckless disregard for truth or falsity. On my time, I am going to sue every damn one of them.”
On some level I really can’t blame him. While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.
I agree. I think it's easy for people to get caught up in all the attached culture war, memes & political posturing and view it as a "win". For Kyle it was probably the worst night of his life and saving a memento of that makes no sense.
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On some level I really can’t blame him. While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.
I get that, and maybe it was MSM biased reporting, but it just sounded like a PR move similar to his BLM comment. Might have been better to say nothing unless asked, then simply say "I destroyed it" or similar, maybe even mentioning PTSD.
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FWIW, it would make more sense to me if he gave it or sold it to a trustworthy 3rd party, so they could quietly sell it (or the parts), w/o mentioning its provenance.
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I wonder if he kept the optics. Someone noticed they were gone at the trial. Sounds trivial, but they should have the same emotional / PR loading, no?
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The Guardian Angels would never have been formed if the cops and courts had been doing their damned jobs - their formation was a very public rebuke to the authorities.
Gee, you think? The entire impetus for GA's formation was the staggeringly high crime rates in the NY city subways.
The reaction from Koch and the power structure in the city at the time was that the GAs were FAR FAR FAR worse, vicious, dangerous, etc., than the criminals.
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FWIW, it would make more sense to me if he gave it or sold it to a trustworthy 3rd party, so they could quietly sell it (or the parts), w/o mentioning its provenance.
But, destroying it probably had cathartic value.
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I think its silly to assign an air of "evilness" to an inanimate object like the AR15 that Kyle used to defend himself against some very bad people.
I have a Mosin-Nagant made in 1939. Given the date, there's an excellent chance some son of Mother Russia used it on some Nazis. I don't mind knowing that at all.
(Oops - I mentioned Nazis. I hope in this context it doesn't mean I just Godwin'd this thread . . . I really didn't mean to. :facepalm: )
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Wouldn’t it still be in evidence for the straw purchase trial?
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Wouldn’t it still be in evidence for the straw purchase trial?
Given they dismissed the illegal possession charge, and Kyle was found justified by self defense there’s no crime committed with the rifle, so one would think those charges against Dominic Black would have to be dropped. Possible they won’t, just because they’re dicks. But, if Kyle got the rifle back I’m thinking they must have dropped the charges against his friend.
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Given they dismissed the illegal possession charge, and Kyle was found justified by self defense there’s no crime committed with the rifle, so one would think those charges against Dominic Black would have to be dropped. Possible they won’t, just because they’re dicks. But, if Kyle got the rifle back I’m thinking they must have dropped the charges against his friend.
Nope, not dropped yet. Technically the charge is selling a gun to someone under 18, which is different than providing a gun to someone under 18.
Given that the case against Black isn’t dropped, I doubt Rittenhouse has had the rifle destroyed, although he may have told the state he doesn’t want it back or something.
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF001275&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details
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But, destroying it probably had cathartic value.
I sold a gun that gave me hyperacusis because I couldn't stand to have it around any more.
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A bit more of Kyle's view (and the contrast between him and the culture warrior talking heads)
About 24 minutes into the podcast “You Are Here” on the right-wing network the Blaze on Monday night, co-host Sydney Watson told her guest, Kyle Rittenhouse, that it was “kind of impressive” that “of all the people that you shot at, you killed probably two of the worst on the planet.”
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“Congratulations,” Watson said Monday to Rittenhouse. “Good job, you.”
Rittenhouse, 18, responded that the killings were “nothing to be congratulated about.”
“Like, if I could go back, I wish I would never have had to take somebody’s life,” he said.
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“Well, hindsight being 20/20, probably not the best idea to go down there,” Rittenhouse said. “Can’t change that. But I defended myself and that’s what happened.”
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A bit more of Kyle's view (and the contrast between him and the culture warrior talking heads)
I have been a fan of Sydney Watson for quite some time, I think I started watching her yourube channel a yr/half ago
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I caught some of Senator Dole's funeral and noticed that Proud to Be an American was one of the songs that was performed or played (don't know which).
Guess Dole was one of those Trump insurrectionist scary people. sad
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Shooting at a restaurant Thursday night.
Local liberal bird cage liner article on the shooter kept bringing up Rittenhouse because the shooter mentioned Rittenhouse in a past facebook posting. Gee, wonder what they're trying to imply?
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^ Got a link?
To Lefties, Rittenhouse was a negative affair, so they'll try to tie any shootie-bangie incident to Rittenhouse to generate another negative impact.
We ("Righties") forget that negative impacts, appropriate or not, add up to form your world view. (Same for positive impacts.)
See, that's how advertising propaganda works. Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
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Our compression socks are better than theirs.
Our compression socks are better than theirs.
Our compression socks are better than theirs.
Our compression socks are better than theirs.
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I'm constantly being reminded that Medicine is a business and Insurance inevitably drives the cost of services up.
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^ Got a link?
Man charged with fatally shooting 2 in Louisville restaurant had past firearms offenses
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2021/12/24/man-charged-with-killing-2-in-louisville-restaurant-had-past-gun-crimes/9015632002/
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Wonder why it took so long
https://wtmj.com/news/2021/12/28/prosecutors-have-charged-60-plus-people-in-kenosha-protests-3/
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They probably have a bunch of community service projects that need to be done.
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Wonder why it took so long
https://wtmj.com/news/2021/12/28/prosecutors-have-charged-60-plus-people-in-kenosha-protests-3/
With the coming midterms looking like a possible bloodbath for them perhaps the dems now want to give the appearance they're doing something. After the midterms the charges will be forgotten.
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With the coming midterms looking like a possible bloodbath for them perhaps the dems now want to give the appearance they're doing something. After the midterms the charges will be forgotten.
Is Kamala Harris still trying to get them promptly bailed out? (If they're not running around on the loose already.)
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Rittenhouse for some reason is brough up in a book on ancient Egypt where he shot two black Men. :O
Also note she capitalizes black but not white.
On p. 341 of THE GOOD KINGS I state that Kyle Rittenhouse shot two Black men when instead he shot two white men. That was my mistake, and I apologize. The response has been a hateful stew of ridicule and denial that America has a race problem at all.
— Kara Cooney (@KaraCooney) January 5, 2022
Professor subjected to ‘a hateful stew of ridicule’ for writing in her book that Kyle Rittenhouse shot two black men
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/01/05/professor-subjected-to-a-hateful-stew-of-ridicule-for-writing-in-her-book-that-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-two-black-men/
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On p. 341 of THE GOOD KINGS I state that Kyle Rittenhouse shot two Black men when instead he shot two white men. That was my mistake, and I apologize. The response has been a hateful stew of ridicule and denial that America has a race problem at all.
— Kara Cooney (@KaraCooney) January 5, 2022
Anyone who capitalizes "Black" but does not capitalize "white" in reference to race has zero moral authority to be lecturing anyone about racism or equality.
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Anyone who capitalizes "Black" but does not capitalize "white" in reference to race has zero moral authority to be lecturing anyone about racism or equality.
Agreed. But you're forgetting one significant fact.
They don't care about truth. The only thing they care about is the number of psychological "impacts" they make, truthful or not, logical or not.
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Agreed. But you're forgetting one significant fact.
They don't care about truth. The only thing they care about is the number of psychological "impacts" they make, truthful or not.
Isn't that the same edicts of propaganda?
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On p. 341 of THE GOOD KINGS I state that Kyle Rittenhouse shot two Black men when instead he shot two white men. That was my mistake, and I apologize. The response has been a hateful stew of ridicule and denial that America has a race problem at all.
— Kara Cooney (@KaraCooney) January 5, 2022
There's yet another error - Kyle shot THREE White men, not two Black men.
One of Kyle's assailants - shot in the arm - survived.
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Isn't that the same edicts of propaganda?
No, no, no. Nobody can get away with using propaganda techniques in the US. We're much too smart to fall for that.
That was just the repetition of facts in quotes. As in "facts."
Propaganda can't happen here. No way.
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No, no, no. Nobody can get away with using propaganda techniques in the US. We're much too smart to fall for that.
That's just repetition of facts in quotes. As in "facts."
Propaganda can't happen here. No way.
I am not sure about that one. Can you cite a link for that? ???
:laugh: :rofl:
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I am not sure about that one. Can you cite a link for that? ???
:laugh: :rofl:
Why? What for?
:emoticon for vapid innocence:
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The guy who bought the rifle for Rittenhouse takes a plea deal:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2022/01/08/under-plea-deal-felonies-dropped-against-rittenhouse-gun-buyer/9133259002/
Kyle Rittenhouse's friend, who bought him an assault-style rifle when he was only 17, has agreed to plead no contest to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a non-criminal citation, and avoid convictions on the two felonies he'd been facing.
The left is, as usual, apoplectic over this blatant display of white supremacy . . . or something.
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What I strongly dislike about plea deals is someone like Dominick Black winds having to accept even a non-criminal citation when he should have simply had all charges dismissed. But a persecutor that’s desperate for a notch in their belt uses the infinite resources of the state to make it so painful to fight for your rights and defend yourself that it’s less bad to take the plea deal than it is to win in court.
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In Which I Single-handedly Shape the Media Narrative...
I read this article, and noticed they spoke of "the Kyle Rittenhouse case and other recent incidents of violence against African Americans."
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health-science-environment/2022-01-04/a-black-gun-enthusiast-is-on-a-lonely-mission-to-stop-missouris-suicide-crisis
So I emailed a comment to them, and an hour or two later, it's been changed.
So, don't mind me. Just sitting here, quietly controlling the information you receive, to suit my agenda. [sinister laughter]
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Good on you for speaking up, Perd. You did the right thing. However, it wasn't much of a change, being rather subtle. And in a lot of peoples' minds after reading that, Rittenhouse will have still killed African Americans. I think their change in the wording was deliberately designed to maintain that linkage, and yet give them an out if they are called on it again.
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Good on you for speaking up, Perd. You did the right thing. However, it wasn't much of a change, being rather subtle. And in a lot of peoples' minds after reading that, Rittenhouse will have still killed African Americans. I think their change in the wording was deliberately designed to maintain that linkage, and yet give them an out if they are called on it again.
No sir, I assure you what I've done is a game-changer, forever altering the way Americans will view race relations for centuries. Everyone has now seen the light on Kyle Rittenhouse, thanks to me. You're welcome. =)
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Before I even clicked on the link the question of whether or not they included the red dot which was absent during the trial went went through my head.
In a matter of about three minutes, the gun was unboxed, identified, and dumped into the shredder. They even destroyed the Sight-Mark optic and the Magpul PMag used by Rittenhouse.
Watch As Kyle Rittenhouse’s Rifle Is Destroyed [VIDEO]
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/watch-as-kyle-rittenhouses-rifle-is-destroyed-video/
A few months after his acquittal, his spokesman said Rittenhouse wanted the gun destroyed and thrown away so no one could use it for publicity or to “celebrate” what Rittenhouse did. Schroeder, Rittenhouse’s attorneys and Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger, agreed the state would destroy the weapon.
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Heads are exploding :rofl:
Andy Ngô 🏳️🌈
@MrAndyNgo
There's some new Kyle Rittenhouse-inspired video game on Steam called "Acquitted" where you fight zombie rioters.
In 2020, there was a game released on Steam & Nintendo Switch called "Tonight We Riot" in which players controlled rioters who try to kill police & capitalists.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1521232598336516096
The Quartering
Kyle Rittenhouse Video Game Makes Leftists Go INSANE! (It's Actually Awesome)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHmv9lZ2tI
New Kyle Rittenhouse-Inspired Shoot ‘Em Up Game, Acquitted, Releasing May 2nd on Steam
https://offensively-patriotic.com/2022/04/27/new-kyle-rittenhouse-inspired-shoot-em-up-game-acquitted-releasing-may-2nd-on-steam/
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https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/proposal-to-memorialize-anthony-huber-man-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse-tabled-after-meeting-chaos/
URL is fairly self-explanatory. Parks Commission in Kenosha tried to get a memorial to Huber approved, until the public found out. Evidently Huber's ex-girlfriend is behind the request.
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https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/proposal-to-memorialize-anthony-huber-man-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse-tabled-after-meeting-chaos/
URL is fairly self-explanatory. Parks Commission in Kenosha tried to get a memorial to Huber approved, until the public found out. Evidently Huber's ex-girlfriend is behind the request.
Interesting that the article doesn't mention anything about Huber's less than savory history, or go into any detain regarding why the action might have been illegal (as Matthewson claimed).
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"“I know you don’t want to hear it, and you want to slam the gavel like a lunatic,” Mathewson told Haugaard. “Doesn’t change what you did was wrong.”"
Good burn!
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Well, Kyle has gotten his own tribute computer game now:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1954750/Acquitted/
=D
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Well, Kyle has gotten his own tribute computer game now:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1954750/Acquitted/
=D
Beat you to it :P
#824
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Well, Kyle has gotten his own tribute computer game now:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1954750/Acquitted/
=D
I've got $5, it's gotta be at least that entertaining. If nothing else the reaction is worth it.
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What's the big fat guy in a dress supposed to be? 🤣
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What's the big fat guy in a dress supposed to be? 🤣
Maybe ADA Krause?
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Brady Bunch wants to remind you it's the 2nd anniversary of when a teen with an AR-15 murdered two men and that we must ban assault weapons to prevent senseless violence like this.
yeah.....
Brady gun control group marks second anniversary of Kyle Rittenhouse ‘murdering’ two men in Kenosha
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/25/brady-gun-control-group-marks-second-anniversary-of-kyle-rittenhouse-murdering-two-men-in-kenosha/
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Brady Bunch wants to remind you it's the 2nd anniversary of when a teen with an AR-15 murdered two men and that we must ban assault weapons to prevent senseless violence like this.
yeah.....
Brady gun control group marks second anniversary of Kyle Rittenhouse ‘murdering’ two men in Kenosha
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/25/brady-gun-control-group-marks-second-anniversary-of-kyle-rittenhouse-murdering-two-men-in-kenosha/
I hope Rittenhouse sues for libel.
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I hope Rittenhouse sues for libel.
It would be awesome to see Brady hit with a $1 million judgment.
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It would be awesome to see Brady hit with a $1 million judgment.
Add a few zeroes.
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Brady Bunch wants to remind you it's the 2nd anniversary of when a teen with an AR-15 murdered two men and that we must ban assault weapons to prevent senseless violence like this.
yeah.....
Brady gun control group marks second anniversary of Kyle Rittenhouse ‘murdering’ two men in Kenosha
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/25/brady-gun-control-group-marks-second-anniversary-of-kyle-rittenhouse-murdering-two-men-in-kenosha/
Is it a national holiday yet?
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Is it a national holiday yet?
The Brady group probably agrees with the pudgy screwball prosecutor who during the Rittenhouse trial said Kyle should have accepted a beating rather than defend himself.
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The Brady group probably agrees with the pudgy screwball prosecutor who during the Rittenhouse trial said Kyle should have accepted a beating rather than defend himself.
Well, he's a white guy, not gay or trans, or anything special. Probably deserved a beating.
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He's suing Rittenhouse and the police
Note the underlined. :O
A wrongful death lawsuit filed by the father of a man shot and killed by Kyle Rittenhouse during a night of tumultuous protests in 2020 may proceed, a federal in Wisconsin ruled Wednesday.
The father of Anthony Huber – one of two men Rittenhouse killed – filed the lawsuit in 2021. The lawsuit, which names Rittenhouse, police officers and others ad defendants, accuses officers of allowing for a dangerous situation that violated his son's constitutional rights and resulted in his death.
Anthony Huber's father, John Huber, also alleged that Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time of the shootings, conspired with law enforcement to cause harm to protestors. John Huber is seeking unspecified damages from city officials, officers and Rittenhouse.
Wisconsin federal judge rules wrongful death lawsuit against Kyle Rittenhouse can proceed
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-federal-judge-rules-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-kyle-rittenhouse-can-proceed
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He's suing Rittenhouse and the police
Note the underlined. :O
Wisconsin federal judge rules wrongful death lawsuit against Kyle Rittenhouse can proceed
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-federal-judge-rules-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-kyle-rittenhouse-can-proceed
If you can afford it and are so-inclined there’s a crowdsourcing campaign for his legal expenses.
https://www.givesendgo.com/kylerittenhouse
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I see that the father is smart and is suing the police to access a potential deep pocket. I suspect Mr. Rittenhouse does not have sufficient assets to make him a viable financial payout in the event of a plaintiff verdict.
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Hopefully the ridiculous conspiracy allegation will be enough to toss the lawsuit. I suppose it will depend on the jurisdiction and the judge and/or jury.
Also hopefully Kyle gets some pro bono help from some good attorneys.
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Hopefully the ridiculous conspiracy allegation will be enough to toss the lawsuit. I suppose it will depend on the jurisdiction and the judge and/or jury.
Also hopefully Kyle gets some pro bono help from some good attorneys.
The fact he's trying to claim there was a conspiracy between Kyle and the police proves in my mind at least the apple didn't fall too far from the tree in that family and/or his lawyer is very good of convincing people of [tinfoil] ideas.
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The primary objective among the true believers is that they want to punish Rittenouse for how he shot up a peaceful BLM parade with a machine gun.
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I would like to know where the money trail from this guy's lawyer leads to. I have a few guesses.
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I would like to know where the money trail from this guy's lawyer leads to. I have few guesses.
You know Soros is in there somewhere.
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You know Soros is in there somewhere.
Undoubtedly. [popcorn]
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How it started (2020):
Joshua Ziminski and his wife Kelly were caught on camera rioting on August 25, 2020, the night Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed two men in self defense. Ziminski shot his pistol in the air during the riots, moments before Kyle killed Joseph Rosenbaum. Joshua also lit a trailer on fire.
Neither the prosecution nor the defense has called Ziminski, despite his proximity to the first shooting, of Joseph Rosenbaum. He features prominently in the prosecution’s argument, which the defense team denies, that Rittenhouse provoked Rosenbaum to chase him.
How it's going (2023):
Kenosha “Riot Couple” Held On $100,000 Each For Kidnapping Man At Knife-Point, Forcing Him to Use ATM’s Throughout City
https://heavy.com/news/joshua-ziminski/
https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2022/09/14/kenosha-riot-couple-held-on-100000-each-for-kidnapping-man-at-knife-point-forcing-him-to-use-atms-throughout-city/
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Fine upstanding citizens being persecuted by the Fascist System.
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How it started (2020):
How it's going (2023):
https://heavy.com/news/joshua-ziminski/
https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2022/09/14/kenosha-riot-couple-held-on-100000-each-for-kidnapping-man-at-knife-point-forcing-him-to-use-atms-throughout-city/
IIRC, that was last year.
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Kyle Rittenhouse Starts His Own 2A Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7r_D6F0_m0
Got to love how some in the media is reacting
Kyle Rittenhouse launches nonprofit with far-right Texans as he ramps up political engagement in the state
The activist known for shooting Black Lives Matter protesters in 2020 has created the Rittenhouse Foundation, which promises to fight for gun rights and includes leaders who have close ties to ultraconservative megadonors from West Texas.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/16/kyle-rittenhouse-texas-foundation/
Conservative activist Kyle Rittenhouse has launched a nonprofit dedicated to fighting gun reform efforts and defending the Second Amendment.
Rittenhouse was acquitted of first-degree intentional homicide and four other charges related to the fatal shooting of two Black Lives Matter protesters in 2020, an act he said was self-defense. After moving to Texas, Rittenhouse has become involved in Texas politics, rallying with right-wing candidates, including a Texas secessionist leader.
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/kyle-rittenhouse-starts-texas-nonprofit-to-fight-gun-reform/
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More info
Kyle Rittenhouse starts gun rights group
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/08/17/rittenhouse-gun-right-n73786
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(https://i.redd.it/coincidentally-the-people-who-defended-this-pedophile-v0-41xsswc7i5jb1.jpg?s=b54ab0366fba1981de00d7cc4f5aacbebc363dfc)
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(https://i.redd.it/coincidentally-the-people-who-defended-this-pedophile-v0-41xsswc7i5jb1.jpg?s=b54ab0366fba1981de00d7cc4f5aacbebc363dfc)
And right on the heels of that
The lawsuit filed in a federal district court in the Eastern District of Wisconsin claims Rosenbaum suffered a "wrongful death" and, as a consequence, his survivors "have suffered, and continue to suffer, significant emotional distress and harm, including but not limited to the loss of society and companionship with Rosenbaum."
Gaige Grosskreutz, a man shot in the arm by Rittenhouse during the Kenosha riots in 2020, also filed a lawsuit against Rittenhouse and Wisconsin police and officials earlier this year.
Kyle Rittenhouse sued by estate of man he killed in self-defense: lawsuit of 'lies'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-sued-by-estate-man-killed-self-defense-lawsuit-lies
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Very first sentence
"Acquitted gun killer Kyle Rittenhouse"
Staying classy Newsweek
Kyle Rittenhouse Gets Into Spat With Republican
https://www.newsweek.com/kyle-rittenhouse-republican-gun-control-ar15-1866056
Opinion on the article at Bearing Arms
In Covering Rittenhouse Dispute, Newsweek's Bias an Issue
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/04/rittenhouse-newsweek-n80096
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Those poor guns. Killed by Rittenhouse. Did he use a gun to kill the guns? Is that sort of like a weird cannibalism?
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Those poor guns. Killed by Rittenhouse. Did he use a gun to kill the guns? Is that sort of like a weird cannibalism?
The guns were mostly peacefully demonstrating for rashul jusdis.
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Those poor guns. Killed by Rittenhouse. Did he use a gun to kill the guns? Is that sort of like a weird cannibalism?
And the guns were black!
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And the guns were black!
And female, as well. (Because ammo is male.)
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And female, as well. (Because ammo is male.)
OMG!!! ARE YOU ASSUMMING AMMO GENDER?!? Next you'll be complaining about shotshell wad dispensers in the bullets' bathroom.
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(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H33f0f2546af74df3869b62aea356c824X.jpg_640x640Q90.jpg_.webp)
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And female, as well. (Because ammo is male.)
Of course it is. After all, ammo is what "blows". >:D :rofl:
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OK. Ammo goes inside the gun, the same was a male plug goes inside a female socket. Not sure what you people are talking about.
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Are sabots bullet condoms?
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"Rittenhouse became known the world over when he fatally shot two people and injured a third in 2020 at the age of 17, after traveling from his home in Illinois armed with an AR-15-style rifle to Kenosha, Wisconsin during a racial justice protest."
I can't stop being disgusted yet amused by the way they underhandedly twist words to skirt the truth. There is something so resentfully bitter and sleazy about it. I can picture the author smashing his keyboard in anger as he exclaims the words out loud.
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Look! The murderer is endorsing a Republican!
They Just Can't Get Over Kyle Rittenhouse
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/27/they-just-cant-get-over-kyle-rittenhouse-n1223975
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I think this is the right thread for this.
I was unaware that one of the guys Rittenhouse defended himself against has now changed his name. He recently protested a Rittenhouse event at Kent State by stating we shouldn't put up with lies and deceit. Okay, Paul Prediger. Whatever you say. ;/
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/17/man-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-protests-his-appearance-at-kent-state-n2395219
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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams
Hold my schnapps and watch this. -- Josef Goebbels