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Title: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 12, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10083783/Loudoun-County-father-arrested-school-meeting-says-daughter-raped-boy-girls-bathroom.html

"Transgender" (or not) "female" rapes real female in school bathroom -- and the [real] girl's father gets arrested for protesting.

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Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Boomhauer on October 12, 2021, 01:07:08 PM
When your daughter gets raped it’s shovel time not protest time
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Ben on October 12, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
The Daily Wire article gets into a lot more stuff, like how the school district quietly moved the rapist to another school where he sexually assaulted someone else.

It's easy for people (the MSM) to say this guy is going about things in the wrong way, but I can't imagine how I would feel or react if I had a daughter and she was raped. Responsible people in this school district don't need to just be fired - they need to be arrested.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Pb on October 12, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
The perp was fourteen years old?  They will do nothing to him.   ;/
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 12, 2021, 02:13:09 PM
The perp was fourteen years old?  They will do nothing to him it.   ;/

FIFY.

Brad
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on October 12, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
So what was predicted would happen with this has happened.  The powers that be made no effort at preventing what was predicted to happen.  They just let it happen.  Now they are trying to brush it under a rug to avoid have to deal with it or admit they were wrong. 
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 12, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
So what was predicted would happen with this has happened.  The powers that be made no effort at preventing what was predicted to happen.  They just let it happen.  Now they are trying to brush it under a rug to avoid have to deal with it or admit they were wrong.

That's the crux of the issue. And for trying to lift the corner of the carpet to reveal the filth beneath, the father of the victim had to become a "domestic terrorist."

The school district needs to take a hard look at how reassigning pedophile priests ultimately worked out for the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 12, 2021, 03:25:20 PM
A major part of the "contract" between citizens and government is the agreement that the citizens will let the government deal with law enforcement and with handling the criminal element so as to protect tax paying, law abiding citizens.
Government, in it's many forms, is increasingly defaulting on their side of the contract. At some point the citizens will abrogate our side of the contract and act accordingly.
I'm beginning to think that time is coming sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Pb on October 12, 2021, 05:05:20 PM

I'm beginning to think that time is coming sooner rather than later.

The rapists worked out a "plea deal."  Probation and "counseling" probably.  He have been given a trial and then killed immediately.

Are we going to become like Mexico, where people burn accused rapists in the street?  They know the cops will do nothing to the rapist. 


What a nightmare.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 12, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Gee, you guys are so repressive and uptight. You should really be more sex-positive.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: sumpnz on October 12, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
Gee, you guys are so repressive and uptight. You should really be more sex-positive.

I don’t miss MicroBalrog when there are threads like this.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Boomhauer on October 12, 2021, 07:24:57 PM
The rapists worked out a "plea deal."  Probation and "counseling" probably.  He have been given a trial and then killed immediately.

Are we going to become like Mexico, where people burn accused rapists in the street?  They know the cops will do nothing to the rapist. 


What a nightmare.

Eventually we will have to

As I said in another thread the only thing right now keeping the peace is the belief among the law abiding that the justice system is still in place to defend against criminals.

When everybody finally wakes up and realize the police, really the court systems, protect the criminals from any serious punishment it’s going to get very bloody. We are at the stage where most crimes get at best a slap on the wrist and the opportunity for criminals to develop extensive criminal records is widespread.



Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Jim147 on October 12, 2021, 07:41:42 PM
Reading the story while having a 14 year old daughter I can say that he and the administration of the school would be seeing my wood chipper feet first.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: dogmush on October 12, 2021, 08:11:52 PM
The rapists worked out a "plea deal."  Probation and "counseling" probably.  He have been given a trial and then killed immediately.

Are we going to become like Mexico, where people burn accused rapists in the street?  They know the cops will do nothing to the rapist. 


What a nightmare.

I wouldn't shed a bunch of tears, some folks just need to get dead.  The only thing that gives me real pause at the coming flusterlcuck is the other thing the police bring to the table: mostly impartial investigation and evidence  gathering.

Mob punishment usually just ends up with whomever is more popular getting a mob to carry out there whims. Do rapists get punished by mobs? Yep. Do rape victims get killed by mobs? Also yes.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 12, 2021, 09:36:34 PM
I don’t miss MicroBalrog when there are threads like this.

Hale Satin!
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on October 12, 2021, 10:51:45 PM
The rapists worked out a "plea deal."  Probation and "counseling" probably.  He have been given a trial and then killed immediately.

Are we going to become like Mexico, where people burn accused rapists in the street?  They know the cops will do nothing to the rapist. 


What a nightmare.
Just remember that it wasn't the cops who did the plea deal to let him go.  That was the district attorney's office and the judge.  You can also look at the state legislature for setting up lenient juvenile delinquency laws that don't treat rape as a serious crime.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on October 13, 2021, 07:14:06 AM
I live a few miles from where this happened, and as far as I can tell, the local media outlets have been virtually blackout over it.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 13, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Just remember that it wasn't the cops who did the plea deal to let him go.  That was the district attorney's office and the judge.  You can also look at the state legislature for setting up lenient juvenile delinquency laws that don't treat rape as a serious crime.

Don't forget the school board and administration, who are trying to pretend that it didn't happen.

And who quietly transferred the rapist to a different school rather than banning "it" from physically attending schools -- thereby allowing a second sexual assault to take place. So much for in loco parentis.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on October 13, 2021, 10:14:51 AM
Don't forget the school board and administration, who are trying to pretend that it didn't happen.

And who quietly transferred the rapist to a different school rather than banning "it" from physically attending schools -- thereby allowing a second sexual assault to take place. So much for in loco parentis.
I agree.  I was mainly thinking of not blaming the cops.  They get blamed a lot for justice failures (and the deserve it in some cases), but they are only one piece and the failure is often not with them. 
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 13, 2021, 10:45:04 AM
I agree.  I was mainly thinking of not blaming the cops.  They get blamed a lot for justice failures (and the deserve it in some cases), but they are only one piece and the failure is often not with them.

Sure seems like an awful lot of them seem to happily jump right in with their jackboots when someone like the concerned parent in this case get a little incensed about the "justice system" failing to protect the innocent or punish the guilty.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Pb on October 13, 2021, 10:54:39 AM
I live a few miles from where this happened, and as far as I can tell, the local media outlets have been virtually blackout over it.

Perverts are a "protected class" as the Supreme Court has so helpfully ruled.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: lee n. field on October 13, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
School admins don't care about much beyond keeping things quiet.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: WLJ on October 22, 2021, 11:19:18 AM
School admins don't care about much beyond keeping things quiet.

Well they may have failed

They KNEW! Damning email shows Loudoun County School Board WAS informed of sexual assault of freshman girl THE DAY it happened
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/22/they-knew-damning-email-shows-loudoun-county-school-board-was-informed-of-sexual-assault-of-freshman-girl-the-day-it-happened/
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 22, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
Of course they knew. Why else would they have quietly transferred "it" to a different school?
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 22, 2021, 11:46:57 AM
Every damn member of that school board needs to be in jail.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on October 23, 2021, 08:28:25 AM
At least one of the school board members, who IIRC was one of the most vocal in protecting the rights of transgender kids to use whatever bathroom they wanted, resigned the other week.

Can't think that was an unrelated.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on October 23, 2021, 08:32:19 AM
Wait... Ziegler's e-mail calls the student... MALE!

Why is no one screaming about that? How can he be male if he identified as a female and was using the restroom of preference as codified under Virginia law?
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on October 27, 2021, 07:10:07 AM
Report: Loudoun County Teen Claimed Sex Assault Was An Accident, Happened When His Skirt Snagged On Wristwatch
https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-loudoun-county-teen-claimed-sex-assault-was-an-accident-happened-when-his-skirt-snagged-on-wristwatch

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“The defendant did not testify during the trial, but prosecutors played interviews he gave detectives investigating the case during which he acknowledged ‘messing up’ and said he did not intend to perform one sex act with the victim and said he stopped once he realized he was hurting the girl,” the Post reported.

“The defendant initially told detectives the second sexual act did not occur, but later said it may have happened briefly and accidentally when a knee-length skirt he was wearing got caught on his watch as the pair were fumbling around in the bathroom stall,” the outlet added.
:mad:
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 27, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Taking a page from the Clinton playbook:

"I did not have sex with that woman."

"It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 27, 2021, 06:02:58 PM
"It" (the defendant) has been found guilty.

https://www.rt.com/usa/538518-loudoun-county-boy-skirt-guilty/

And the school administration continues to claim they didn't try to cover up the assault.

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The superintendent of Loudoun County schools, Scott Ziegler, apologized for claiming there had been no reports of student assault in the school bathrooms, but insisted school officials hadn't lied – he simply hadn't known what he was being asked. Board member Beth Barts resigned amid the controversy and parents have continued to demand Ziegler's resignation.

If Superintendent Ziegler is so dumb that he doesn't know when he's being asked about a sexual assault in one of his schools -- how can the district possibly justify retaining him in ANY position other than janitor?
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on October 27, 2021, 06:11:45 PM
I simply don't see how this is true.

We were assured... ASSURED... by supporters of the whatever community --repeatedly-- that we were just being whatever phobic applies to situations like this and there would never be any problems.

This was obviously a set up by Donald Trump himself.


What I really want to know is...

If there were no reports of sexual assaults at the school...

Why was the convicted assaulter moved to another school right after the assault?
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 27, 2021, 09:05:15 PM
Fortunately, the jury didn't buy it. Apparently the defense tried to claim that it wasn't a "rape" or a sexual assault" because the assailant and the victim had previously engaged in (unspecified) allegedly consensual sexual relations.

Why is it that when it's the liberals setting the rules, " 'No' means 'No' ," but when it's one of their own on trial "No" means "Okay, but only the tip."
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 27, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Why was the convicted assaulter moved to another school right after the assault?

For the same reason that the Catholic Church moves its "problematic" priests around.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on October 28, 2021, 08:56:30 AM
For the same reason that the Catholic Church moves its "problematic" priests around.


I thought it was illegal for public schools to "serve the greater glory of God..."
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 28, 2021, 09:22:52 AM
I went through grammar and middle school in the 1950s and I graduated from high school in the 1960s. Back then, although I didn't like some of the principals and perhaps the superintendent, I thought then and I still believe that they had the best interests of the students as their primary motivation.

Today, I don't believe that -- not about superintendents, not about principals, and not about teachers. I think today school superintendents are a lot like police chiefs -- they are, first and foremost, political animals and their highest priority is political "optics." So, rather than acknowledge that the tranny bathroom rule had led directly to a sexual assault -- the "solution" was to just shift the assailant to a different school and try to sweep the whole thing under the carpet.

Where have we seen that before? Oh, yes -- in Broward County, Florida, where the "solution" to minorities committing crimes in the schools was to downgrade the offenses so the statistics would show a reduction in crimes committed by minorities. Which is how they got Nicholas Cruz, and Parkland.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on October 28, 2021, 10:14:48 AM
The school board wants to be left alone to concentrate on graft and corruption with the school funding.  The last thing they want is to deal with actual problems like explaining bad reports to state and federal education bureaucrats.  They might threaten their funding.  The welfare of students is way down the list. 
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 29, 2021, 04:13:00 PM
The superintendent needs to be tarred and feathered.

I'm reviving this because of new evidence that the superintendent flat out lied, not only to the parents but also to the school board.

https://resistthemainstream.org/see-it-picture-emerges-of-the-loudoun-rapist-the-superintendent-claimed-was-not-gender-fluid/

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On June 22, weeks after the rape, the school board discussed a proposed policy that would allow transgender students to use girls’ bathrooms. To address parents’ concerns about safety, school board member Beth Barts asked Ziegler whether there was a history of bathroom or locker room assaults.

Ziegler responded that there were no bathroom assaults of any sort on record. Barts replied that she was confused because there was a well-known locker-room incident several years prior among male athletes.

After The Daily Wire revealed the rape and cover-up, Ziegler apologized, saying — despite Barts’ clarifying follow-up in the moment — he mistakenly thought the question referred only to incidents “involving transgender and gender-fluid students”

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“He’s not transgender,” the mother told the Daily Mail, saying he was “pansexual” and describing a pattern of behavior that sounds like those of a gender-fluid person: “He would wear a skirt one day and then the next day, he would wear jeans and a t-shirt, a Polo or hoodie… He was trying to find himself.”
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 29, 2021, 05:48:32 PM
Of course the school boards and Biden's DOJ are more interested in persecuting parents that speak out about that sort of thing than the ones who allow it and those that actually perpetrate it.
If this crap doesn't get rooted out right quick there is going to be some serious bloodshed.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: gunsmith on November 30, 2021, 01:23:54 AM
i looked it up but did not resurrect a post from me that was like ten yrs old, i saw how cali was passing tranny bathroom laws and wondering if i should join the women's college volleyball team ... i was totally embarrassed to see what i wrote ten yrs ago... but i was way ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 07, 2022, 08:54:36 AM
Update on this whole mess...

The grand jury report came back, and it was NOT complimentary on how the school handled this entire mess.

One salient take away:

"LCPS displayed a "stunning lack of openness, transparency and accountability, both to the public and to the special grand jury" about its response to the sexual assaults, according to the report, which also condemned Ziegler for denying at a June 2021 school board meeting that he had any knowledge of the first assault, which had occurred in May of that year. The second assault was committed in October 2021.

Ziegler had said at the board meeting that "the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist," and, to his knowledge, "we don’t have any record of assaults occurring in our restrooms."

But in an email dated May 28, the same day as the initial assault, the superintendent alerted school board members that an assault had been reported."

Long fiasco short -- the Loudoun County School Board fired Ziegler at last night's meeting.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/loudoun-county-superintendent-scott-ziegler-fired-after-grand-jury-report-handling-sexual-assaults


Given that Ziegler and the old school board (which was loaded with transgender apologists) failed the students and parents at every juncture, maybe the solution is to nationalize the schools?

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: MechAg94 on December 07, 2022, 09:04:15 AM
There was also mention that a teacher saw that something was going on in the bathroom but ignored it.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 07, 2022, 09:10:11 AM
There was also mention that a teacher saw that something was going on in the bathroom but ignored it.

Any surprise there?

Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: lee n. field on December 07, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Any surprise there?

No surprise, at all.  What a bureaucratic structure like that is most interested in is peace and quiet.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 07, 2022, 03:03:50 PM
Actually, I was betting more on...

"Hey! There's something untoward going on in the girl's room! Oh, wait, it's a girl and a bio-male who self-identifies as a girl... the actual girl looks she's being forcibly sodomized! I need to stop this assault! But... bio-male who self-identifies as a girl is a HIGHLY protected species in this district, an untouchable... If I get involved I'll become a target. I don't want to be labeled transphobic... I'd be targeted by the woke mob, I'd lose my job. I've got a wife and two kids, they would go through hell, and I'd lose my vesting in my pension. Sorry, actual girl, but you're on your own."

Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 07, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
There was also mention that a teacher saw that something was going on in the bathroom but ignored it.

That would fit with my early experiences.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 07, 2022, 03:23:40 PM
Actually, I was betting more on...

"Hey! There's something untoward going on in the girl's room! Oh, wait, it's a girl and a bio-male who self-identifies as a girl... the actual girl looks she's being forcibly sodomized! I need to stop this assault! But... bio-male who self-identifies as a girl is a HIGHLY protected species in this district, an untouchable... If I get involved I'll become a target. I don't want to be labeled transphobic... I'd be targeted by the woke mob, I'd lose my job. I've got a wife and two kids, they would go through hell, and I'd lose my vesting in my pension. Sorry, actual girl, but you're on your own."

Sadly, that's probably pretty much on point.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: HankB on December 08, 2022, 10:26:49 AM
Sadly, that's probably pretty much on point.
It is indeed - and is a foreseeable direct result of the insane policies and practices now running amok in our institutions' "leadership."
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 08, 2022, 11:16:26 AM
Oh, even better....

Because the board fired Ziegler, but didn't fire him for cause...

He gets his fully $323,000 salary next year.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 08, 2022, 01:28:33 PM
Oh, even better....

Because the board fired Ziegler, but didn't fire him for cause...

He gets his fully $323,000 salary next year.

 :mad:
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: dogmush on December 08, 2022, 02:29:03 PM
Oh, even better....

Because the board fired Ziegler, but didn't fire him for cause...

He gets his fully $323,000 salary next year.

How is "lying to the school board" not fired for cause?
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: zxcvbob on December 08, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
How is "lying to the school board" not fired for cause?

It is cause, but they didn't assert that because they wanted to give him the money.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 08, 2022, 04:52:53 PM
My guess? He agreed to accept the firing and not file would would have been an exceptionally messy lawsuit in exchange for his full salary.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RocketMan on December 08, 2022, 05:41:31 PM
My guess? He agreed to accept the firing and not file would would have been an exceptionally messy lawsuit in exchange for his full salary.

That was my suspicion as well.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 08, 2022, 08:44:41 PM
Oh, even better....

Because the board fired Ziegler, but didn't fire him for cause...

He gets his fully $323,000 salary next year.

 :facepalm:  [ar15]

So now he can apply for a job as superintendent with some other school district and he won't have to disclose that he was fired for cause, he can just say that the school board decided to go in a different direction. And if anyone checks his references, the school board won't be able to say they fired him for cause.

It must be nice to be Teflon(tm) coated.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: Boomhauer on December 08, 2022, 09:44:33 PM
:facepalm:  [ar15]

So now he can apply for a job as superintendent with some other school district and he won't have to disclose that he was fired for cause, he can just say that the school board decided to go in a different direction. And if anyone checks his references, the school board won't be able to say they fired him for cause.

It must be nice to be Teflon(tm) coated.

Education is a *expletive deleted*ing mafia

Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 08, 2022, 11:04:49 PM
Somebody had to take a fall. Superintendent was most likely candidate with what was know.
He got to keep his money in exchange for not going public and naming names and telling stories out of school.
Title: Re: Transgender bathrooms come home to roost
Post by: K Frame on December 12, 2022, 07:43:24 PM
And the plot thickens.

The superintendent was just indicted by a special grand jury on three misdemeanor counts.

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2022/12/2-loudoun-co-school-officials-indicted/

In part for the bathroom fiasco, and in part for retaliating against an employee in a different sexual assault issue.

Maybe the taxpayers are going to be holding onto that $323,000 after all.