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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: K Frame on October 27, 2021, 08:49:20 AM
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Anyone following this?
Essentially, Poland's supreme court has issued a series of rulings that some EU laws are contrary to the Polish Constitution, so those EU laws are null and void.
That's setting the stage for a very interesting battle between the entities, and has led to the EU's top court ordering Poland to suspend its Supreme Court.
The latest is that the EU is demanding Poland pay a penalty of 1 million Euros a day for every day it ignores the EU court's ruling.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/27/poland-ordered-to-pay-1-million-euros-a-day-in-law-battle-with-the-eu.html
There have been a number of EU/member state crises before, the most notable being the Greek monetary debacle and Great Britain's withdrawal, but this one is fundamentally different in that it goes to the very heart of whose law takes precedence in a nation.
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I hadn't heard of that, but I am glad to see Poland's judges had the balls to make those rulings.
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I think many European countries are getting to the "last straw" point with the EU. While the German government is pretty pro-EU, even there, the citizens are grumbling. I can't have a single conversation with most any of my relatives - even some of the liberal ones - without them going off about something the EU is doing.
I'd love to see countries like Poland and the Czech Republic pull a Brexit.
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I think many European countries are getting to the "last straw" point with the EU. While the German government is pretty pro-EU, even there, the citizens are grumbling. I can't have a single conversation with most any of my relatives - even some of the liberal ones - without them going off about something the EU is doing.
I'd love to see countries like Poland and the Czech Republic pull a Brexit.
Such things usually happen very gradually, and then quite suddenly.
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Another example of how one govt would never work for long without very harsh subjugation.
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What still amazes me is that the EU, which has no formal Constitution, is telling the Poles to essentially jettison their Constitution.
The EU states that they have a Constitutional Charter (Lisbon Treaty), which is sort of, maybe, kind of, could be equivalent to a formal Constitution, but maybe, sort of, kind of, not.
The EU has tried to craft a formal Constitution, but each time they've tried the process has collapsed under its own weight.
The US Constitution is what, 4 hand written pages?
Last draft of the European Constitution was, IIRC, something like 3,900 pages long and it still wasn't considered to be complete.
The Treaty of Lisbon, however, took care of any further attempts at a full Constitution by formally rejecting one.
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Interesting how the linked story in the OP says nothing about WHAT the actual conflicting rulings dealt with.
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I've been to Poland, the people don't like being controlled by someone else. Too many recent years of Soviet, NAZI and German control.
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Interesting how the linked story in the OP says nothing about WHAT the actual conflicting rulings dealt with.
It appears to be about how Poland appoints and holds accountable their judiciary.
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/eu-court-orders-poland-to-suspend-supreme-court-disciplinary-chamber-23308
The ruling follows the European Commission's decision in October 2019 to take Poland to the CJEU. The Commission argued that a Disciplinary Chamber under the Polish Supreme Court, set up in 2017 by the ruling coalition to take disciplinary measures against judges, violated judicial independence in that it could have a "chilling effect" on judges, and thus ran against EU law.
Here's some AP drivel on the arguments over EU law vs. National constitution. It also deals with Poland's Judiciary:
https://apnews.com/article/european-union-poland-europe-courts-1175aa5efa731c9cac6189443eee3f9c
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Interesting how the linked story in the OP says nothing about WHAT the actual conflicting rulings dealt with.
Yeah, I was surprised that they didn't have links in the article to the other articles that they've run on this situation. Easy to find on google, though.
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From the linked AP article...
"The ruling obliged Poland’s right-wing government that had introduced the regulations — which gave politicians influence over judicial appointments — to discontinue them and to observe the independence of justice."
It would be really interesting to see the EU's take on the machinations that have been going on with the US Supreme Court the last couple of years, especially with the Dems threatening to pack the court. But of course that's not a political move at all...
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I think many European countries are getting to the "last straw" point with the EU. While the German government is pretty pro-EU, even there, the citizens are grumbling. I can't have a single conversation with most any of my relatives - even some of the liberal ones - without them going off about something the EU is doing.
I'd love to see countries like Poland and the Czech Republic pull a Brexit.
Hungary as well, sounds like it's fed up.
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The EU is in no position to be ordering Poland to do anything.
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I'd love to see the EU break up.
Maybe this will be another little pebble that forms an avalanche.
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15-17 years ago I said the EU was doomed. For reasons fairly consistent with what is happening now. Back then I said it might last another 20-50 years. Looks like like that’s still about right too.
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Governments letting hordes of culturally-incompatible people swarm their countries and distress their citizens has accelerated the process I think.
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Governments letting hordes of culturally-incompatible people swarm their countries and distress their citizens has accelerated the process I think.
It doesn't help that unelected bureaucrats in Brussels run people's lives to the point of telling them what vacuum cleaner they are allowed to buy or how many sheets of TP they can use.
My relatives do complain about the unchecked immigration, but their bigger complaints are the "micro-regulations" constantly coming out of EU HQ.
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"It doesn't help that unelected bureaucrats in Brussels run people's lives to the point of telling them what vacuum cleaner they are allowed to buy or how many sheets of TP they can use."
Bought a flush toilet or a dishwasher lately?
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Bought a flush toilet or a dishwasher lately?
Or just a flippin' shower head?
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Or just a flippin' shower head?
Take the restrictor out.
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Take the restrictor out.
Yep
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Take the restrictor out.
That's a crime punishable by death in the EU.
Of course, since they're weenies who don't believe in the death penalty, they'll just give you a death sentence and convert it to life in prison.
Which in the EU actually means no more than 10 years.