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Title: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2021, 06:21:28 PM
I know it's a year away, but how is a guy running on an "I'll take your guns" platform only six points behind Abbott in Texas, even in early polling? Seems like there should be a one or even two in front of that six.

You guys on the ground there wanna clue me in? I know Texas is getting less red with the commies moving in, but I can't believe it's this close to turning yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-stands-by-infamous-pledge-take-guns-from-americans-if-elected-governor
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: French G. on November 21, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
Abbott isn't much and tRuE CoNserVativeS!!! would rather stay home and help elect spoiled rich brat Robert Francis. He went to school in my county and graduated a few years before me. Only I was at the poor kid public school and he was at the rich kid boarding school. I pre-judge everyone who went to that school and I am right more often than not. A true man of the people.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Jim147 on November 21, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
Who's at home to answer the poll calls?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Pb on November 21, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
Cruz only beat Beto by a little. 

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas-senate

Big cities are usually leftist, and Texas has some huge cities, as well as lots of Mexicans.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Bogie on November 21, 2021, 09:18:41 PM
Do the Texicans still think that "Beto" is one of them?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
Hard say what the poll means without all the background details of the poll.  I don't generally trust polls these days.

Beto nearly beat Ted Cruz for Senate back when Beto was thought to be a centrist Democrat and trying to be a modern JFK.  He showed who he was in the Presidential run.  I really doubt he would do better this time.  He has a lot of money to spend so he will be loud and in the news regardless of whether anyone likes him or not. 

The issue to me is Abbott didn't make any friends last year.  He ended the COVID restrictions earlier than most states, but most wanted him to end them a lot sooner.  There were a lot of people upset about rules shutting down small businesses while leaving big businesses open. 

The joke I hear is Abbott does whatever Desantis does, but about 3 weeks later after focus grouping the decision to be sure. 

The question is could we do better or worse than Abbott?  I don't know who else is running in the R primary, but I had heard Allen West might run so we could do a bit worse. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 22, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
You guys on the ground there wanna clue me in? I know Texas is getting less red with the commies moving in, but I can't believe it's this close to turning yet.

In Austin, the DFW area, some border counties, and most university towns, you'll see a higher instance of Prii, Volvos, Subaru wagons, and questionably insured wrecking yard rejects with requisite BETO! stickers. Liberals love him because he's not a conservative and he supposedly hates guns. Welfare recipients love him because he promises free *expletive deleted*it. Millennials love him because he's not an Old Heterosexual White Guy. Otherwise most everyone thinks he's a moron.

True Mexicans (as in people from Mexico, not the generalized ethnic inference) are outright insulted by his ethnicity claims. "Latinos" who are just in it for the ethnic branding think he's cool because Not Trump.

MechAg nailed it when he mentioned Abbott's handling of COVID restrictions, businesses especially. While he did roll restrictions back early, the fact that he did it at all significantly soured a lot of attitudes. I have a real burr under my saddle about it, but I do have to grudgingly admit he's otherwise done well at generally keeping the state on a pro-business and pro-personal liberties track.

Brad
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 01:30:57 PM
Abbott has pretty much signed every pro-gun bill sent his way included constitutional carry and expressed support for them.  I have a hard time saying I would oppose him.  I would just say I will vote for him unless someone demonstrably better comes along.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 22, 2021, 10:29:58 PM
I like this guys angle to talk to Beto..

 https://rumble.com/vpmeup-you-aint-taking-my-guns-beto-orourke-confronted-at-rally.html (https://rumble.com/vpmeup-you-aint-taking-my-guns-beto-orourke-confronted-at-rally.html)

Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2022, 06:18:47 PM
Suddenly Beto is pro 2A.

Beto O'Rourke Has Seen The Light...But Hates Constitutional Carry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxvuSpXzxg

Beto’s New Campaign Message: Hell Yes We Need to Protect the Second Amendment!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/betos-latest-campaign-message-hell-yes-we-need-to-protect-the-second-amendment/

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Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on March 12, 2022, 10:06:03 AM
Looks like Beto wants to make you think he did another 180.
This time CRT.
Surprised he hasn't thrown up from spinning so much.

Beto O’Rourke distances himself from yet another issue in his run for Texas governor
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/12/beto-orourke-distances-himself-from-yet-another-issue-in-his-run-for-texas-governor/
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2022, 10:48:46 AM
I'm in a quandary:

Is he stupid enough to believe people won't notice his 180 flips and flops, or are people too stupid to notice his 180 flips and flops? I suppose his vote percentage will give us a clue.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: RocketMan on March 12, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
I'm in a quandary:

Is he stupid enough to believe people won't notice his 180 flips and flops, or are people too stupid to notice his 180 flips and flops? I suppose his vote percentage will give us a clue.

All of the above.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Jim147 on March 12, 2022, 01:41:06 PM
Francis, the dirty, smelly flipflop in the back ally gutter.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Fly320s on March 12, 2022, 05:58:39 PM
It is simple math:

People believe what they want to believe + people vote for the party they identify with, regardless of consequences = you get *expletive deleted*it for government
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2022, 06:18:35 PM
And he does it again!

Beto Flip-Flops On Confiscation AGAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZe1Zlhx-Y

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Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2022, 06:25:00 PM
And he does it again!

Beto Flip-Flops On Confiscation AGAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZe1Zlhx-Y

[img]https://payload.cargocollective.com/1/3/102668/12161976/compass-animation-website.gif

He said all that stuff at SxSW, so totally catering to the dirty hippie and SJW audience. He'll flip again if some Texas state MSM reporter asks him to clarify for the residents of Texas.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2022, 12:06:52 PM
 :facepalm:

Texas gubernatorial hopeful Beto O’Rourke officially makes trans kids a key part of his campaign platform [pic]
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/03/31/texas-gubernatorial-hopeful-beto-orourke-officially-makes-trans-kids-a-key-part-of-his-campaign-platform-pic/

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Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
n the comments

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    "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15 and your child's penis!" https://t.co/oJEV2xRz0Y

    — Frank J. Fleming (@IMAO_) March 31, 2022

Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Andiron on March 31, 2022, 10:37:41 PM
I'm at the point where anything I have to say about that POS and his ilk just ends up fedpoasty,  so instead I hope his voter turnout is as legitimate as his persona.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on March 31, 2022, 11:22:11 PM
I am just glad he is running as a full leftist this time instead of trying to appear centrist.  I don't think it will work for him. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 31, 2022, 11:36:08 PM
I am just glad he is running as a full leftist this time instead of trying to appear centrist.  I don't think it will work for him.

Depends on who is counting the votes.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on April 01, 2022, 03:43:23 AM
Depends on who is counting the votes.
Pointless to even talk about that much as it renders all other election discussion meaningless.  Might as well bring Hitler into it.

Plus, Trump won Texas.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2022, 08:36:58 AM

Plus, Trump won Texas.

He won Kentucky overwhelming both times but we elected a dem gov at the same time mostly on the weight of the teacher's union and their MSM parrots who ran constant articles on how the then R gov was anti children and a criminal
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2022, 05:20:12 PM
And he does it again
This time on Title 42

Another Beto O'Rourke Flip Flop: This Time It's About the Border Crisis
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/04/18/another-beto-orourke-flip-flop-now-he-supports-getting-rid-of-title-42-n2606001
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2022, 06:37:40 PM
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 Beto O’Rourke flip-flops again on gun confiscation; Now he’s for it
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/31/beto-orourke-flip-flops-again-on-gun-confiscation-now-hes-for-it/
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2022, 08:46:48 PM
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The BluePrint Polling survey found that 48.5 percent of respondents said they would definitely vote for Abbott, while 7 percent were leaning toward the Republican. A further 32.9 percent said they would definitely vote for O’Rourke and just 4.3 percent said they were leaning toward the Democrat.

A find it a bit unsettling that 33% are definitely voting for the Irish Hispanic.
Yes it's comforting he's 100% pretty much going to lose but to think 33% are that unreachable bothers me.

Beto's gun ban backfiring? New poll shows Abbott with growing lead
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/14/betos-gun-ban-backfiring-new-poll-shows-abbott-with-growing-lead-n59366
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 14, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Going full Leroy Jenkins at that press conference failed to win Texan hearts and minds? Go figure.

So was it stupidity, or a smart play to get more out-of-state donations for his cash-grab "campaign"?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on June 14, 2022, 11:06:41 PM
Going full Leroy Jenkins at that press conference failed to win Texan hearts and minds? Go figure.

So was it stupidity, or a smart play to get more out-of-state donations for a cash-grab "campaign"?

I have yet to hear anything remotely intelligent come out of his mouth so I vote stupidity
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Boomhauer on June 15, 2022, 04:34:32 AM
A find it a bit unsettling that 33% are definitely voting for the Irish Hispanic.
Yes it's comforting he's 100% pretty much going to lose but to think 33% are that unreachable bothers me.

Beto's gun ban backfiring? New poll shows Abbott with growing lead
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/14/betos-gun-ban-backfiring-new-poll-shows-abbott-with-growing-lead-n59366

Remember the significant number of Califuckers moving to Texas that aren’t moving because they are conservatives tired of Cali.

Austin, DFW and Houston are hotbeds off liberals in TX.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2022, 08:29:37 AM
Remember also that a certain percentage of voters will vote for the party regardless of who is there.  Numbers in the 30% range are bare minimum. 

I wouldn't say those people are unreachable, but you aren't going to reach them with a reasoned argument.  They are emotionally attached to the Dem party and they are going to have to reach a point where something smacks them hard enough to get them to think about it. 

The other part I would add is the worst Republicans are nearly as bad as the worst Democrats.  From what I have seen, that is the way they would respond. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2022, 08:55:31 AM
I see that the congressional district that encompasses San Antonio has flipped red in a special election. There is hope.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
I see that the congressional district that encompasses San Antonio has flipped red in a special election. There is hope.
Republican Mayra Flores Wins U.S. House Seat In South Texas, First GOP Win There In 150+ Years
https://www.dailywire.com/news/republican-mayra-flores-wins-u-s-house-seat-in-south-texas-first-gop-win-there-in-150-years

Been Democrat since 1870 according to the link. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM
I read somewhere she's the first female Hispanicalx Republican TX has ever sent to Congress. Seems improbable.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2022, 01:52:25 PM
I read somewhere she's the first female Hispanicalx Republican TX has ever sent to Congress. Seems improbable.

First Mexican born Congresswoman

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Flores is now “the first GOP candidate to represent that area of the Rio Grande Valley since 1870,” the Houston Chronicle reported, adding that she is now “the first congresswoman born in Mexico.”
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
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MSNBC columnist Eric Michael Garcia panicked over the results of the election, saying that Democrats needed to be sounding the alarm immediately.

“There is a political earthquake happening in Latino politics in South Texas and there is a reason I have been saying it will be voting like West Virginia,” he tweeted. “But like @SeanTrende , I expected this in two decades. #TX34. This should be a five alarm fire for Democrats.”

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on June 27, 2022, 11:32:03 AM
Waiting for someone to ask "Beto" why he didn't get an abortion  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on June 27, 2022, 12:03:40 PM
Should we start referring to him as BetoX? 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: HankB on June 27, 2022, 02:01:40 PM
Remember also that a certain percentage of voters will vote for the party regardless of who is there.  Numbers in the 30% range are bare minimum. 

I wouldn't say those people are unreachable, but you aren't going to reach them with a reasoned argument.  They are emotionally attached to the Dem party and they are going to have to reach a point where something smacks them hard enough to get them to think about it. 

The other part I would add is the worst Republicans are nearly as bad as the worst Democrats.  From what I have seen, that is the way they would respond.
Someone (not me, though I wish I could take credit) came up with a short but profound truism: It's hard to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

These are the +/- 30% of the population that still approves of Biden.  :facepalm:  (Think back several decades - even though he lost, during his attempt at re-election Jimmy Carter still got votes - tens of millions in fact.)
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 07, 2022, 05:29:49 PM
Should we start referring to him as BetoX? 

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Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2022, 07:00:49 PM
Winning hearts and minds, Beto MFs someone at a campaign rally.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/08/11/its-orourkes-gun-control-plans-that-are-a-joke-n61373

I can't imagine why he's not already President.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 11, 2022, 09:12:39 PM
Remember also that a certain percentage of voters will vote for the party regardless of who is there.  Numbers in the 30% range are bare minimum. 

I wouldn't say those people are unreachable, but you aren't going to reach them with a reasoned argument.  They are emotionally attached to the Dem party and they are going to have to reach a point where something smacks them hard enough to get them to think about it.

My father was such a person and, based on my personal family history, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such people absolutely ARE unreachable. In my father's case, he was a Republican, but over the years I saw him support some truly atrocious local and state candidates. "Why would you support that clown?" I'd ask.

"He's a Republican," was the answer. My father would have supported Attila the Hun if Attila had been a Republican.

And that's why I vowed never to join a political party. Our statewide 2A advocacy group is always pushing me to register with a party -- either party -- so I can vote in the primaries. Yeah, I get it. If both primaries nominate poor candidates, maybe I will have missed an opportunity. In the end, though, my objectivity is more important to me. If I register with either party, even for just one election cycle, I can never again write to an elected official or testify at a hearing and state that I am a life-long unaffiliated voter.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on August 11, 2022, 11:26:57 PM
My father was such a person and, based on my personal family history, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such people absolutely ARE unreachable. In my father's case, he was a Republican, but over the years I saw him support some truly atrocious local and state candidates. "Why would you support that clown?" I'd ask.

"He's a Republican," was the answer. My father would have supported Attila the Hun if Attila had been a Republican.

And that's why I vowed never to join a political party. Our statewide 2A advocacy group is always pushing me to register with a party -- either party -- so I can vote in the primaries. Yeah, I get it. If both primaries nominate poor candidates, maybe I will have missed an opportunity. In the end, though, my objectivity is more important to me. If I register with either party, even for just one election cycle, I can never again write to an elected official or testify at a hearing and state that I am a life-long unaffiliated voter.

I saw the opposite.  My grandparents voted Democrat.   A lot of people in the South voted Democrat whether it was because they grew up under FDR or other reasons.  One grandfather said he was a hobo in the Great Depression and FDR's new deal programs gave him a job.  I don't think either of my grandfathers were alive when Clinton took office.  My parents considered themselves independent and liked Reagan.  I liked the free market economics stuff and limited govt.  Took me a few years to realize few Republicans truly support that.

That is one reason I always thought that great party switch Democrats like to claim happened was BS.  My grandparents never switched.  My small home town still has local candidates who are largely democrat.  That may have changed over the last 20 years, but it was still that way in the '90's.  The change in Southern states happened across multiple generations. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on August 12, 2022, 07:11:06 AM
""He's a Republican," was the answer. My father would have supported Attila the Hun if Attila had been a Republican."

Anymore, I have to say that I agree with your father.

I voted for Democrats in years past -- they seemed to be moderates who were more closely aligned with my beliefs than the Republican candidate at that time.

I will NEVER make that *expletive deleted*ing mistake again.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 12, 2022, 09:01:28 AM
I read somewhere she's the first female Hispanicalx Republican TX has ever sent to Congress. Seems improbable.

Shouldn't that be "Hispanicalx Replicanx Texanx"? (Just to avoid confusion?)
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on August 12, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
I would say if you are going to vote one party, make sure you vote in the party primary and get some say in who candidate is.  It does help sometimes.  When Ted Cruz ran the first time for Senate, there was another Republican who was the front runner.  He was an establishment guy like Cornyn.  Thankfully, the word got out and Cruz took the lead and won the primary.  He has been a pretty decent Senator. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 12, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
""He's a Republican," was the answer. My father would have supported Attila the Hun if Attila had been a Republican."

Anymore, I have to say that I agree with your father.

I voted for Democrats in years past -- they seemed to be moderates who were more closely aligned with my beliefs than the Republican candidate at that time.

I will NEVER make that *expletive deleted*ing mistake again.

I will probably never vote for a Democrat again, either. But I remain of the opinion that our two-party political system is hopelessly broken, that it often conspires to keep good, qualified people out of office (and ever out of the election process), and for that reason I will not register with any party because I think party politics are the root of much of the evil in this country today.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: zahc on August 12, 2022, 09:48:13 AM
I saw the opposite.  My grandparents voted Democrat.   A lot of people in the South voted Democrat whether it was because they grew up under FDR or other reasons.  One grandfather said he was a hobo in the Great Depression and FDR's new deal programs gave him a job.  I don't think either of my grandfathers were alive when Clinton took office.  My parents considered themselves independent and liked Reagan.  I liked the free market economics stuff and limited govt.  Took me a few years to realize few Republicans truly support that.

That is one reason I always thought that great party switch Democrats like to claim happened was BS.  My grandparents never switched.  My small home town still has local candidates who are largely democrat.  That may have changed over the last 20 years, but it was still that way in the '90's.  The change in Southern states happened across multiple generations.

The great party switch is a myth of convenience that was created as a desperate explanation for why modern liberals should vote for the party of slavery, jim crow, and anti-civil rights. There was no great (or small) party switch and looking at the vote data makes it obviously a tall tale.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Pb on August 12, 2022, 10:34:45 AM
The change in Southern states happened across multiple generations.

Yes, I agree.  I live in one of the most conservative states in the entire country.  Our state legislature was not GOP until less than fifteen years ago!

My grandfather also grew up Democratic.  His family was involved in New Deal agricultural programs.  He said that as a boy he hardly knew anyone Republican, and they were considered odd.

He was a very conservative person.  I am not sure when or even if he became a republican officially, but I know he was a fan of Rush.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on August 12, 2022, 11:27:45 AM
I will probably never vote for a Democrat again, either. But I remain of the opinion that our two-party political system is hopelessly broken, that it often conspires to keep good, qualified people out of office (and ever out of the election process), and for that reason I will not register with any party because I think party politics are the root of much of the evil in this country today.
IMO, a big part of that is the way the campaign finance laws are set up.  Makes it easier for the party to collect money and dole it out to the candidates they prefer.  Makes it harder for outsiders to get noticed.  As people like Rush said years ago, there was greater turnover in Congress before there were any campaign finance laws.   
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Jim147 on August 12, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
My dad argues with me every time he visits about the great party swap. I told him I researched it and it didn't happen he still swears I'm wrong.

When I first moved down here there were a lot of old racists democrats here. Most local offices were held by dems. Now if you put a D by your name for a local race don't even bother running.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: JN01 on August 13, 2022, 01:05:12 AM
I voted for a Democrat once, Ted Strickland for Governor of Ohio, for the most part due to his strong support for the 2nd Amendment (his Republican opponent was a gun-grabber).  He was fairly moderate and made good on his promise to pass concealed carry legislation.  Of course, when he later ran for US Senate, that went out the window and he became a hard lefty.

I will never again vote for a Democrat. No matter what a candidate says his beliefs are, in the end they will most often support whatever their party wants.  For that reason, it matters what party holds the majority.  The majority party controls what legislation moves, controls committee appointments, approves or blocks judicial appointments.  The Democrat machine is bent on destroying America, they have to be prevented from having the power to lead us down that path, even if it means voting for a scummy RINO in the general election.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2022, 08:27:05 AM
Do any of you honestly believe America can vote it's way out of the divisive tribalism we are currently in?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: RocketMan on August 13, 2022, 08:30:41 AM
Do any of you honestly believe America can vote it's way out of the divisive tribalism we are currently in?

I do not.  In my opinion, the best we can hope for by voting is to delay the eventual collapse of the Republic.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2022, 08:35:51 AM
I do not.  In my opinion, the best we can hope for is to slow the collapse of the Republic.

I agree. I'm just hoping in hangs on long enough I can finish work and move to the sticks, where the collapse can happen without me.

I'm less confident now than I used to be we have that much time.  There's a lot of inertia in something as big as the US government though, and a lot of treasure to be fought over, all of which takes time.  I doubt we'll see a Venezuela or USSR circa '91 type collapse.  Just a slow slump towards lawlessness and corruption.

There's always the chance we can get a solid external enemy to join us all together. A solid enemy and several million dead might buy us a couple decades, sad as that is.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MillCreek on August 13, 2022, 11:06:55 AM
I agree. I'm just hoping in hangs on long enough I can finish work and move to the sticks, where the collapse can happen without me.

I'm less confident now than I used to be we have that much time.  There's a lot of inertia in something as big as the US government though, and a lot of treasure to be fought over, all of which takes time.  I doubt we'll see a Venezuela or USSR circa '91 type collapse.  Just a slow slump towards lawlessness and corruption.

There's always the chance we can get a solid external enemy to join us all together. A solid enemy and several million dead might buy us a couple decades, sad as that is.

[cough] China [/cough]
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
Yeah but they have to actually do something so we can spin ourselves as the good guys.  If they don't actually invade Taiwan, or get caught doing some blatantly evil *expletive deleted*it outside their borders, I don't see us going full tilt at them.  They might be smart enough to just wait and let us auger in.  Of course, China also has their own internal issues that might preclude them sitting back and letting events unfold.  We'll see.

It could still be Russia too.  Let Vlad nuke Kiev and watch what happens.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2022, 12:47:49 PM
Guess his parents failed to loctite a few screws in because it appears a few fell out.

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    Beto O’Rourke didn’t eat crow, humble pie or even his words after losing to Ted Cruz. He ate dirt instead.

    O’Rourke, who came up short in his bid to unseat Sen. Cruz, R-Texas, despite raising $80 million for the Senate push, told the story of his earthy snack in a sprawling 3,000-word profile published by The Washington Post.

    “In January, Beto hit the road, much as his father had done before him, and drew energy from the people he met, and — on one stop in New Mexico he didn’t write about in his blog — by eating New Mexican dirt said to have regenerative powers,” the profile reads.

    “He brought some home for the family to eat, too.”

Remember folks, they're smarter than us.

Beto O'Rourke Ate Something Weird to Cope With His Loss to Ted Cruz
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/01/beto-orourke-ate-something-weird-to-cope-with-his-loss-to-ted-cruz-n2612520
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 01, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Is that why he's sick?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 01, 2022, 06:41:03 PM
That news came out at least 3 years ago. I was going to say the passage of time has made it no less bizarre. Sadly, in 2022, that's not true.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 01, 2022, 07:13:32 PM
I do not.  In my opinion, the best we can hope for by voting is to delay the eventual collapse of the Republic.

I agree.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ron on September 01, 2022, 07:28:56 PM
My thoughts initially about Trump were that he was at the minimum a disrupter.

He has saved a lot of human life through his SC picks and he has a miniscule death count in foreign conflicts compared to nearly all the Presidents we've experienced. MAGA worked pretty good as an energy policy. It turned out he was a pretty effective disrupter of the sacrifice innocent humans and loot the land uniparty.

Beto vs Abbot? Clowns to the left of me jokers on the right ...
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 01, 2022, 09:16:34 PM
Is that why he's sick?

I still suspect monkey pox.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 02, 2022, 12:15:35 AM
I still suspect monkey pox.

Wouldn't surprise. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 02, 2022, 01:23:45 AM
My working theory is that Monkeypox was contained on Epstein's island - until somebody had the bright idea to shut that down.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on September 04, 2022, 05:38:00 PM
If it was Monkeypox I figured he would be wearing it proudly as a badge of honor.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2022, 09:50:36 AM
Another 180º pivot

Quote
Tonight, Beto O’Rourke said he “of course” doesn't support 'Defunding the Police.'

In 2020, O'Rourke enthusiastically called for defunding and "completely dismantling” police departments.

ROLL THE TAPE

Video https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1576018774825660416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1576018774825660416%7Ctwgr%5E1af28bc9216e87c2fbb24107413799ad6cfb440d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2022%2F10%2F01%2Fremember-beto-orourkes-embrace-of-defund-the-police-hed-like-texas-voters-to-forget-about-that-now%2F

Remember Beto O’Rourke’s embrace of ‘defund the police’? He’d like Texas voters to forget about that now
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/10/01/remember-beto-orourkes-embrace-of-defund-the-police-hed-like-texas-voters-to-forget-about-that-now/
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 01, 2022, 12:38:00 PM
Has Beto flipped on his presidential run statement that he was going to take away everyone's AR-15s?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Has Beto flipped on his presidential run statement that he was going to take away everyone's AR-15s?


Several times. Go back to page 1 and start there


Beto O'Rourke Has Seen The Light...But Hates Constitutional Carry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxvuSpXzxg

Beto’s New Campaign Message: Hell Yes We Need to Protect the Second Amendment!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/betos-latest-campaign-message-hell-yes-we-need-to-protect-the-second-amendment/

Beto Flip-Flops On Confiscation AGAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZe1Zlhx-Y


 Beto O’Rourke flip-flops again on gun confiscation; Now he’s for it
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/31/beto-orourke-flip-flops-again-on-gun-confiscation-now-hes-for-it/
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 01, 2022, 12:49:40 PM
Fun!
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 01, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
It must be exhausting to keep flipping positions so frequently. Beto must be in great physical condition.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: HankB on October 01, 2022, 01:41:55 PM
Has Beto flipped on his presidential run statement that he was going to take away everyone's AR-15s?
In the Beto/Abbot debate last night, the moderator asked him about that and Beto weaseled around giving a straight answer.

Surprise - the moderator asked him AGAIN if he planned to confiscate firearms, yes or no . . . and AGAIN, Beto weaseled around giving a straight answer.

I take that as a "yes" . . .

It must be exhausting to keep flipping positions so frequently. Beto must be in great physical condition.
Long Democrat tradition . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmQI9sIJcn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThH-MNCsYw
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2022, 03:46:58 PM
Quote
Long Democrat tradition . . .

(https://imgs.search.brave.com/1eGFDm5A3G9qIfR-Z9DwveBpYNV6Y9F7dcUBZ9NdEx0/rs:fit:271:300:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLmVi/YXlpbWcuY29tL2lt/YWdlcy9nLzBwa0FB/T1N3eVZCZlcwTG0v/cy1sMzAwLmpwZw)
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on October 01, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Remember Kerry giving a speech in NV where he said when he becomes president he will make sure none of that nasty nuclear waste will come to Yucca Mountain.
A day or two later he was giving a speech somewhere in the east, in MA I think, and he said when he becomes president he will make sure their nuclear waste will be put in Yucca Mountain so that it will never hurt anyone.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Bogie on October 02, 2022, 10:04:41 PM
Regarding voting for Democrats...
 
I voted for the Democrat who ran against Jim Talent, who voted for the AWB back around 1998 or 2000 so...
 
The Democratic Party didn't support the guy at all. Maybe even worked against him.
 
His name was John Ross. He figured it was easier to take over the Dem machine than Missouri's GOP machine.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Andiron on October 02, 2022, 10:16:53 PM
Regarding voting for Democrats...
 
I voted for the Democrat who ran against Jim Talent, who voted for the AWB back around 1998 or 2000 so...
 
The Democratic Party didn't support the guy at all. Maybe even worked against him.
 
His name was John Ross. He figured it was easier to take over the Dem machine than Missouri's GOP machine.

RIP Mr. Ross.

Hope they release the manuscript for his second novel.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 03, 2022, 08:16:29 AM
I voted for a Democrat some years ago, Gerry Connolley.

I've known him for years, and while he's always been a liberal puke, I thought we had made some significant inroads into moderating his thinking on a number of subjects, including firearms, while he was a Fairfax County commissioner.

The second he goes to Washington, though?

Hard core anti-gunner and ultra liberal liberal.

I'll never make that mistake again.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on October 03, 2022, 09:37:34 AM
I can't recall ever voting Democrat unless you count John McCain or the Bush's.

Someone mentioned the big switch in the South on the previous page.  Both my grandparents voted Democrat all their lives.  They didn't switch.  My home town was still largely Democrat for local elections at least up into the 90's.  Texas didn't switch R solidly until the mid-90's and the Clinton administration.  I don't think most people changed, just their kids don't vote the way they did.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 06, 2022, 08:28:52 AM
Yup, Abbott's finished.

https://twitchy.com/foundersgirl-313133/2022/10/05/francis-beto-orourke-spotted-pandering-in-style-harry-styles-that-is-and-twitter-is-prepared-to-mock-on/

If you don't know who Styles is - well, I don't, either. Brit pop singer, apparently, and just recently had a starring role in some crazed, feminist film that no one's watching. Adios, Abbott.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: HankB on October 06, 2022, 08:32:59 AM
Yup, Abbott's finished.

https://twitchy.com/foundersgirl-313133/2022/10/05/francis-beto-orourke-spotted-pandering-in-style-harry-styles-that-is-and-twitter-is-prepared-to-mock-on/

If you don't know who Styles is - well, I don't, either. Brit pop singer, apparently, and just recently had a starring role in some crazed, feminist film that no one's watching. Adios, Abbott.
Awww . . . they make such a cute couple.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 06, 2022, 08:48:55 AM
"🎶it's an
Itsy bitsy
Teeny weenie
Yellow polka dot mankini
That he wore for the first time today🎶"

Great. Coffee and spit all over my computer monitor...
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 06, 2022, 10:47:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeRoWDhWIAAaRAb?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: WLJ on October 06, 2022, 10:48:06 AM
A Monkey Pox Production
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 06, 2022, 10:59:37 AM
Word is, Abbott's going to fight back with a Megan Thee Stallion endorsement.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 06, 2022, 11:26:13 AM
A "breaking news!" flash just popped up on my phone.

There's apparently a big, weepy editorial (not breaking news) purporting to be hard hitting investigative journalism that *GASP* REVEALS THAT ABBOT USED COVID RELIEF MONEY TO BUILD ELEMENTS OF THE BORDER WALL!!!! *GASP*

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/texas-covid-money-operation-lone-star/

Obviously the person making those allegations (and I hope to hell that it's true) is completely against such a use of funds.

But, interesting, he provides no information on how Covid relief funds were used elsewhere in the country... say such as Chicago ($280 million went to the Chicago Police Department), New York (used Covid relief funds to push critical race theory in public schools, as did California and Illinois), Washington, DC, or myriad other liberal controlled bastions of "property action and thought."

Interesting that the author makes NO references of the Federal vaccine mandates targeted at US citizens (but NOT immigrants). Sounds to me that securing the border against unvaccinated, untested potential Covid carriers is a logical use of Covid relief funds, and hopefully Abbot's administration will spin it that way.

I'm also betting, given the problems that the border crisis has been giving Texas for the first two years of the Biden administration, that Beto's team is going "this was not a particularly good time for this to come out because it's going to backfire on us really badly."

Be VERY interesting to see if they even mention it at all...

Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Brad Johnson on October 11, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Beto is speaking on campus today, about a block away from my building. Tried watching a bit of the livestream but turned it off in disgust after a few minutes. Giant feelz-fest with the group taking turns stroking egos and supporting each other's uninformed opinions and pathetic vacuity.

Brad
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: HankB on October 11, 2022, 01:25:40 PM
My next door neighbors have  "Mothers against Abbott" and "BETO" political yard signs. (They had a BIDEN sign 2 years ago.)   :facepalm:

They're good people otherwise, so if they don't bring it up, neither will I.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Pb on October 12, 2022, 09:46:44 AM
Good idea.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 12, 2022, 10:23:57 AM
"They're good people otherwise"

Communists are never good people...  :rofl:
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 12, 2022, 01:19:03 PM
"They're good people otherwise"

Communists are never good people...  :rofl:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50757054266_7ffb848a8d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kkeaTh)
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: K Frame on October 12, 2022, 01:24:39 PM
Exactly...
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: HankB on October 12, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
OK, ok, . . . point taken.

Now where do I rent a helicopter . . .
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on October 22, 2022, 12:16:33 AM
Babylon Bee - Californians Move to Texas | Episode 3
They are out canvasing for Beto. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzOZuPgcMc

This one has a special guest appearance. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 22, 2022, 01:18:14 AM
Babylon Bee - Californians Move to Texas | Episode 3
They are out canvasing for Beto. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzOZuPgcMc

This one has a special guest appearance.

Loved the Zodiac Killer reference. Ted's a good sport.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2022, 07:31:04 AM
Loved the Zodiac Killer reference. Ted's a good sport.

That was great!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Cliffh on October 22, 2022, 08:09:58 PM
I rarely laugh out loud - but damn! that was funny!   :rofl:  :rofl: