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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on December 20, 2021, 08:10:57 AM
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I'd be interested in the backgrounds of these retired Generals and what they did when they were in. I see that this "civil war" would only be if Trump or a "Trumpian" lost, and that if a dem lost, there would be no crying, riots, or anything else we see every time a dem loses.
Interesting that they would dis current and former military and recommend "intelligence work" into weeding out wrongthinking members. I also wonder what their definition of "misinformation" is.
https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-army-generals-insurrection-or-civil-war-2024-wapo-2021-12
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I also wonder what their definition of "misinformation" is.
Any opionion that disagrees with theirs, of course.
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All of them are political generals. I would bet that few of them actually did much "commanding" in their last years of service, regardless of their positions.
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In the event that things so sideways, and the military gets pointed at Americans, I expect that the officer class (at least the ones "following orders") will be immediately decimated. In order to succeed, they would have to bring in foreign troops - which damn sure wouldn't sit well with a few hundred million folks...
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Butter Bars with Stars
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In the event that things so sideways, and the military gets pointed at Americans,
In this case, these three guys seem to be afraid that rather than turn against Americans, many in the military would "turn against" the military.
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In this case, these three guys seem to be afraid that rather than turn against Americans, many in the military would "turn against" the military.
Many were of a like mind when I was active. We talked about something like that from time to time and most said they wouldn’t kill fellow Americans because a politician told them to do so.
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In this case, these three guys seem to be afraid that rather than turn against Americans, many in the military would "turn against" the military.
Only tangentially related, but 10 or 15 years ago when the REMFs were eager to prosecute troops in the Middle East in case they shot back more than the Rules of Engagement allowed or hurt the enemy's feelings, some officers and DOD bureaucrats were lamenting the difficulty they had in gathering evidence to prosecute some cases because other soldiers wouldn't provide the testimony they wanted - they had more loyalty to their fellow team mates than they did to the command structure back stateside.
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Related:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/20/pentagon-issues-new-rules-including-social-media-guidelines-to-curb-the-rise-in-extremism-among-the-troops/
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Geez - Also related. These all must be this week's talking points marching orders to the MSM.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/20/newsweek-is-sounding-the-alarm-over-the-millions-of-angry-armed-americans-standing-ready-to-seize-power-if-trump-loses-in-2024/
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^ "Geez - Also related. These all must be this week's talking points marching orders to the MSM."
But you're being "paranoid."
Me:
There is no proof without evidence.
There is no evidence without investigation.
There is no investigation without suspicion.
But suspicion without proof is paranoid.
Terry, 230RN
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Only tangentially related, but 10 or 15 years ago when the REMFs were eager to prosecute troops in the Middle East in case they shot back more than the Rules of Engagement allowed or hurt the enemy's feelings, some officers and DOD bureaucrats were lamenting the difficulty they had in gathering evidence to prosecute some cases because other soldiers wouldn't provide the testimony they wanted - they had more loyalty to their fellow team mates than they did to the command structure back stateside.
And they wonder why guys had so much stress and PTSD while over there.
An old boss had a son over there at one time. He apparently had an incident where some guys drove their vehicle into the front of their truck and tried to shoot at them, but didn't have the angle to shoot into the cab. His son apparently ran through a 100 round belt in his SAW shooting back. It all took a minute or so, but he was chewed out and interrogated by his commanders for 8 or 10 hours about shooting too much ammo and such. That is the story I was told.
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In the event that things so sideways, and the military gets pointed at Americans, I expect that the officer class (at least the ones "following orders") will be immediately decimated. In order to succeed, they would have to bring in foreign troops - which damn sure wouldn't sit well with a few hundred million folks...
I recall what happened after Jan 6. They brought in a bunch of national guard troops to surround the capital. Then we heard about them vetting the troops for "extremism".
If things got that sideways, I figure the people in charge would be working overtime trying to weed out anyone they thought might not follow orders. I pray we never reach that point.
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I can't remember where I heard it, but someone was talking about the blue states trying to split off and form their own country. I guess they thought the R's would take over after the mid-terms and the blue states would be the first to try to split the country.
I really can't see them do that as there would be no one to bail them out of their debts.
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They'll just print more money, and sell off assets...
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They'll just print more money, and sell off assets...
Instead of electing a career politician, the new Blue State President could be a businessman, perhaps Eddie Lampert . . .
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I recall what happened after Jan 6. They brought in a bunch of national guard troops to surround the capital. Then we heard about them vetting the troops for "extremism".
If things got that sideways, I figure the people in charge would be working overtime trying to weed out anyone they thought might not follow orders. I pray we never reach that point.
They thought so highly of their instant activated security force they made them sleep in parking garages, hardly any toilets and no showers, and fed them MREs…and justified it by saying “well this is what they train for so they like it!”
“Out of touch” isn’t even an adequate phrase.
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In the event that things so sideways, and the military gets pointed at Americans, I expect that the officer class (at least the ones "following orders") will be immediately decimated. In order to succeed, they would have to bring in foreign troops - which damn sure wouldn't sit well with a few hundred million folks...
They will only bring in de jure foreign troops after they've made de jure American troops into de facto foreigners. Like they did with the voters. They turned American voters against America, and are now enfranchising aliens. We can expect the fully fledged foreign troops once "our" troops have been thoroughly turned against their putative country.
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History has shown us that perfectly normal, functioning humans can be made to commit crimes against humanity with the right application of pressure, indoctrination and force. I'm suspect every military is susceptible to this.
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They will only bring in de jure foreign troops after they've made de jure American troops into de facto foreigners. Like they did with the voters. They turned American voters against America, and are now enfranchising aliens. We can expect the fully fledged foreign troops once "our" troops have been thoroughly turned against their putative country.
If "the powers that be" DO somehow manage to subvert the US military and turn them against the American people - how are they going to protect military families?
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No civil war, just be folks on the internet calling each other names and armchair warriors talking about voting with bullets but never leaving the comfort of the stained lazy-boy and their bologna sandwiches.
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History has shown us that perfectly normal, functioning humans can be made to commit crimes against humanity with the right application of pressure, indoctrination and force. I'm suspect every military is susceptible to this.
Stuff like that is never 100%. There would likely be a split regardless. However, yes, there would be some that would do it.
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How many active IRA shooters were there when they basically played the Brits into a standstill?
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How many active IRA shooters were there when they basically played the Brits into a standstill?
From Wiki:
The bulk of attacks from 1977 onwards were the responsibility of a second type of unit, the ASU [active service unit]. To improve security and operational capacity these ASUs were smaller, tight-knit cells, usually consisting of five to eight members, for carrying out armed attacks. The ASU's weapons were controlled by a quartermaster under the direct control of the IRA leadership. By the late 1980s and early 1990s, it was estimated that the IRA had roughly 300 members in ASUs and approximately 450 serving in supporting roles
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No civil war, just be folks on the internet calling each other names and armchair warriors talking about voting with bullets but never leaving the comfort of the stained lazy-boy and their bologna sandwiches.
I agree for the vast majority. Even so, it wouldn't surprise me to see more political riots, individual attacks, and killings by the partisan fringes.
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I agree for the vast majority. Even so, it wouldn't surprise me to see more political riots, individual attacks, and killings by the partisan fringes.
Like antifa, who didn't just sit in their lazy boys and eat tofu sandwiches.
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I agree for the vast majority. Even so, it wouldn't surprise me to see more political riots, individual attacks, and killings by the partisan fringes.
We would probably see more retaliatory attacks by people ostensibly on the right.
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We would probably see more retaliatory attacks by people ostensibly on the right.
Yes. We are starting to see conservatives rioters, which I have never seen before in my lifetime. Nothing good is coming up with these developments.
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The police are there to protect rioters from someone using Colonel Jeff's solution...
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The police are there to protect rioters from someone using Colonel Jeff's solution...
If the police begin to be widely seen as protecting rioters from their victims . . . they will be viewed as rioters themselves, and get the same treatment. And things will get worse all round. =(
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Glenn Greenwald has some good analysis regarding these Generals and the narrative they and their ilk are trying to push.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/21/glenn-greenwald-reacts-to-retired-generals-writing-a-borderline-fascist-op-ed-that-the-military-must-prepare-now-for-a-2024-insurrection/
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Yes. We are starting to see conservatives rioters, which I have never seen before in my lifetime. Nothing good is coming up with these developments.
I would not say I have seen rioters myself. That implies destroying stuff and looting stores. I don't know if you have seen that. What I have seen is conservative (or Not-Antifa) people showing up prepared to fight the inevitable Antifa goons who show up and try to push them around.
I don't think we will see "riots" by people on the right. It will be something else. They know if they do anything like that, the local DA's and Feds will come down on them like a ton of bricks.
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"Retired Brigadier"
AKA, didn't make the cut to MG...
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I've seen rioters... Looters... There are still stores around here that haven't bothered to take the plywood down.
Usually immigrant-owned.
And the last bit, more than a few had armed security that were not wearing "I'm just here to call 911" uniforms.
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They just want to plan a coup to prevent a coup.
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What makes everybody think there will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned?
We will have armed "agents" and even armed troops from almost every country in the world involved on our soil, looking for a piece of the pie.
Maybe even Canada and GB.
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If you have a chance, check out Mad Mike's "Soft Casualty" short story...
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What makes everybody think there will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned?
We will have armed "agents" and even armed troops from almost every country in the world involved on our soil, looking for a piece of the pie.
Maybe even Canada and GB.
What "piece of the pie" would that be? How much value would there be in taking over a piece of the US? I guess there are a few locations that have stuff that could be carried away. I can see drug cartels and the like trying to rule areas unofficially.
I would expect people like China would be more likely to expand locally while no one is around to contest it. Might be lots of smaller scale fighting all over.
The other part is our economy is likely to tank if there is actually a shooting war going on. That is going to have an effect on everyone else. International trade is going to fall apart if no one enforcing peace on the trade lanes. Things would be pretty unstable for a while.
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What "piece of the pie" would that be? How much value would there be in taking over a piece of the US? I guess there are a few locations that have stuff that could be carried away. I can see drug cartels and the like trying to rule areas unofficially.
I would expect people like China would be more likely to expand locally while no one is around to contest it. Might be lots of smaller scale fighting all over.
The other part is our economy is likely to tank if there is actually a shooting war going on. That is going to have an effect on everyone else. International trade is going to fall apart if no one enforcing peace on the trade lanes. Things would be pretty unstable for a while.
Plus a foreign power sticking their peepee into many areas of the US would be like sticking it into a blender. The insurgency would make all other insurgencies look like a trip to Disneyland.
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OK, I'm wrong. There will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned. I take it all back.
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Plus a foreign power sticking their peepee into many areas of the US would be like sticking it into a blender. The insurgency would make all other insurgencies look like a trip to Disneyland.
I have to agree - nothing would do more to make the comfortable fence-sitters take action than foreign forces under arms roaming American streets and ordering Americans around.
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OK, I'm wrong. There will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned. I take it all back.
Oh I wouldn’t go that far just it would be extremely stupid of them to do so. Not that that’s stopped anyone before of course…
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OK, I'm wrong. There will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned. I take it all back.
I can also see foreign powers doing things indirectly similar to what they do now.
My whole point is I don't see the profit in invading and holding the US (or part of it). Certainly not at present. That could change. I can sort of imagine a case where a foreigner could get support if they ran things better than the local Corrupticrats. However, I don't see any foreign powers that don't have all the same issues we do and more.
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Just a thought exercise: is there a chunk of the US that could be more or less conquered and turned into a profitable colony assuming the whole area didn't dissolve into fighting? If you separated that area form the rest of the US that is. There are areas that would have agricultural value. There are areas like the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast that have a lot of chemical plants and oil/gas production (offshore also).
I guess it would be similar to what people are thinking of as far as the US splitting up.
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OK, I'm wrong. There will be no foreign intervention if powder starts being burned. I take it all back.
WOLVERINES!!
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Y'all know about how folks talk about the invasion of Japan in 1945 would have gone?
The entire population fighting?
We wouldn't need the entire population fighting.
They would literally have to destroy the entire population to remove the veterans, hunters, tac-bois, and so on...
Neutron bombs? Or a massive bio attack? Hmmm...
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Y'all know about how folks talk about the invasion of Japan in 1945 would have gone?
The entire population fighting?
We wouldn't need the entire population fighting.
They would literally have to destroy the entire population to remove the veterans, hunters, tac-bois, and so on...
Neutron bombs? Or a massive bio attack? Hmmm...
Fauchi has the Wuhan lab working on the Omega variant as we speak. >:D
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Hmmm . . . I wonder how many Hunter Biden paintings are being bought by less than friendly foreign interests . . .
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I'm willing to be we already have foreign intervention. The US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate, blend in, and start causing trouble. Find the right people and pay them to riot, loot, etc.
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If we were going to have foreign intervention in a US, bullets flying, civil war, I suspect it'd be like Iran was involved with the war in Iraq. That is no uniformed troops on our soil or planes in our air, but ammo and spicy playdoh would suddenly be pretty easy to find, and there may be some really fit guys that like vodka willing to show the III percenters and Antifa how to make neat things.
Why risk your troops, or worse, unifying us again, when we'll kill each other.
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I'm willing to be we already have foreign intervention. The US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate, blend in, and start causing trouble. Find the right people and pay them to riot, loot, etc.
Omar, Talib to name just two. The foot soldiers/guerillas could already be here (and probably are).
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Omar, Talib to name just two. The foot soldiers/guerillas could already be here (and probably are).
If I were something like an Iranian spymaster, I would have quietly been infiltrating sleeper agents into this country for decades. None of them would know one another of course, but they'd have resources and access to targets that could make things unpleasant for a lot of people over here. (I'm not going to suggest targets - just use your imagination.)
I figure it's probably been happening - those people are crazy fanatics, but they're not necessarily all stupid.
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If I were something like an Iranian spymaster, I would have quietly been infiltrating sleeper agents into this country for decades. None of them would know one another of course, but they'd have resources and access to targets that could make things unpleasant for a lot of people over here. (I'm not going to suggest targets - just use your imagination.)
I figure it's probably been happening - those people are crazy fanatics, but they're not necessarily all stupid.
You need to go watch the old movie with Charles Bronson and Donald Pleasence called "Telefon".
Strangely prophetic but with a different primary adversary.
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Y'all know about how folks talk about the invasion of Japan in 1945 would have gone?
The entire population fighting?
We wouldn't need the entire population fighting.
They would literally have to destroy the entire population to remove the veterans, hunters, tac-bois, and so on...
Neutron bombs? Or a massive bio attack? Hmmm...
They have already tried that but haven't been as successful as they would like to be. That is why they find new "variants".
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VDH: stop the coup porn
https://www.theepochtimes.com/please-stop-the-coup-porn_4176354.html?utm_source=opinionia&utm_campaign=opinion-2021-12-27
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Frankly, most of our media, and vast majority of the woke folks who are spittlescreeching about things, would not recognize a coup if it shot them in the ass...
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More by one of the retired generals:
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/31/1068930675/us-election-coup-january-6-military-constitution
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It's only a matter of time before it will be considered SOP for the military to be used against the civilian population.
The intelligence services are already used against USA citizens and public so engaging the boots on the ground is the logical next step.
Continue to purge the patriots in the military in multiple waves. Find the various trigger points to make them leave, make it policy through the next couple administrations. You will be left with soldiers trained in US schools to be self loathing Americans or aggrieved Americans getting payback.
They will mouth familiar patriotic words but with different suppositions and definitions than heritage America used. They will actually believe they are being patriots as they smash their boots down on the necks of Americans.
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From Wiki:
So under 1000 all in actively engaged in and directly supporting those actively engaged in armed insurrection activities.
If, IF, we remember that, along with Solzhenitsyn’s messages from the Gulag Archipelago, and a mere 2000-10000 people engage in such actions and the commies could be kept very busy. Unless they go full commie and have no compunction wiping out 30% of the entire population.
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These guys sure are getting a lot of MSM time. Bolding mine:
Retired military general Steven M. Anderson blasted MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell in an interview, while warning of the existence of Trump supporters within the military.
Oh no! Some people in the military voted for Trump! Better get out the tar, feathers, and dishonorable discharge for that!
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-lindell-my-pillow-military-general-trump-supporters-threat-2022-1
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Shh, let’s not interrupt them while they are *expletive deleted*ing up by trying to purge trained military members out in a way that is sure to cause them to hold a grudge and be even more amendable to our cause.
A heavy handed purge as they are chomping at the bit to do is going to do us lots of good.
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I looked up Anderson. 31 year career, and he only made Brigadier. He was a career REMF -- his entire career was in support and maintenance units.
He is not anyone I care to pay attention to.
Oh ... and he supposedly retired with some sort of [unspecified] disability. I'm sure that was a paper disability, designed to increase his pension checks.