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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on January 15, 2022, 05:52:29 PM
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Sure looks like the lefties are having a cow in Virginia. =D
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/01/15/incoming-virginia-attorney-general-jason-miyares-cleans-house-reportedly-fires-entire-civil-rights-division/
Youngkin’s Day 1 Executive Orders, per his office, include:
- Ban CRT
- parents decide if kids wear masks in school
- declare VA open for business
- end vax mandate for state employees
- investigate Loudoun County
- fire parole board
- leave green house gas initiative
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Looks like he thought "What would Joe Biden do?" . . . and then went ahead and did the exact opposite!
Good for him! =D
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Awesome!
=D
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Why is it good that he fired the whole civil rights division?
If they needed to be fired, so be it, but I'm lacking explanation.
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Why is it good that he fired the whole civil rights division?
If they needed to be fired, so be it, but I'm lacking explanation.
Ran across an article on the Gateway Pundit yesterday that said he only fired two people in the CR division. Thirty people in all were fired, but there were only twelve in the CR division to start with. Methinks someone is exaggerating to make political points.
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Why is it good that he fired the whole civil rights division?
If they needed to be fired, so be it, but I'm lacking explanation.
I need to look for the article, but I thought I read that their civil rights division was, like NYC, creating revolving door policy for criminals. Obviously the AG has the final word on that stuff, but it could be the new AG didn't want to pull a Trump and leave "deep state" people in his dept that would undermine new policies.
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Looks good right out of the gate. He was being described as somewhat of swampy creature by those on the dissident right so these early moves are a pleasant surprise.
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I have felt a disturbance in the force...
And it feels GOOD!
There have been a number of articles, letters, posts on social media, etc., all screeching the same thing...
HOW COULD TRUMPY FASCIST NAZI RACIST COVID LOVERS WIN???? IT HAS TO BE VOTER SUPPRESSION! OUR DEMOCRACY IS IN DANGER!
I can't wait to hear the wailing after this coming November...
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I just now watched an interview with the new LT Governor. She sure has her act together. Good choice there. She doesn't look to be a coddler.
"You come out of the womb screaming. That's how life can be." =)
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I need to look for the article, but I thought I read that their civil rights division was, like NYC, creating revolving door policy for criminals. Obviously the AG has the final word on that stuff, but it could be the new AG didn't want to pull a Trump and leave "deep state" people in his dept that would undermine new policies.
In my opinion that may have been Trump's biggest failure. He should have terminated every obama holdover he was legally able to fire.
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In my opinion that may have been Trump's biggest failure. He should have terminated every obama holdover he was legally able to fire.
QFT
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In my opinion that may have been Trump's biggest failure. He should have terminated every obama holdover he was legally able to fire.
But it was illegal for him to fire anyone, or do anything, as I recall. They would have fake-impeached him about a dozen more times. ;/
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Eh, I tire of being a battleground state. For midterms, State Senate elections and the next presidential election it just means the outside money, influence ops, and fraud will come pouring into the state. Given the sad state of our red team party you can bet we continue to gift you with two really crappy senators. I love my state, won't leave, but the future doesn't look bright.
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Eh, I tire of being a battleground state. For midterms, State Senate elections and the next presidential election it just means the outside money, influence ops, and fraud will come pouring into the state.
(https://freshtrendnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Lincoln-project-Youngkin-bus-2.jpg)
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Ah, that wonderful little Lincoln Project stunt.
They thought they were going to drive a nail in Youngkin's coffin with it.
What they did was get a LOT of heat from both the right AND the left...
And a lot of people laughing at them that they would try something so pathetically desperate.
The only people reporting that stunt like it was hard hitting news were MSNBC and CNN. Even the Washington Post distanced itself from it.
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In my opinion that may have been Trump's biggest failure. He should have terminated every obama holdover he was legally able to fire.
The core of that issue was picking Senator Sessions as AG. He folded under pressure and promised not to take a hand in the investigation of Trump. That whole farce took at least 2 years or more to set to rest.
However, I think Trump had just as much problem with deep state people on the Republican side undermining him as well. Or at least steering him away from "drain the swamp" actions.
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The core of that issue was picking Senator Sessions as AG. He folded under pressure and promised not to take a hand in the investigation of Trump. That whole farce took at least 2 years or more to set to rest.
However, I think Trump had just as much problem with deep state people on the Republican side undermining him as well. Or at least steering him away from "drain the swamp" actions.
Agreed. There were - and probably still are - deep state "GOP" people who wanted Jeb Bush to run against Hillary. Even though that probably would have given us another Clinton in the White House.
Also agree with previous posters that Trump should have fired every holdover from previous administrations that he could. IANAL, but unless it's a union or civil service position, I was under the impression that POTUS could fire anyone in an executive branch position he wanted to for any reason. Or no reason at all.
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However, I think Trump had just as much problem with deep state people on the Republican side undermining him as well.
Yup. Refer to Mitt Romney being in the news again being "pro election rights, because Trump" as an example. I would mention Liz Cheney, but at this point she's a full blown dem.
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IANAL, but unless it's a union or civil service position, I was under the impression that POTUS could fire anyone in an executive branch position he wanted to for any reason. Or no reason at all.
Most of the fed.gov general counsel are one of the few fed groups that have a union. Also keep in mind a large portion of the kiboshers, whether you call them "deep state" or just malcontents, are in the civil service.
Anybody around GS13 and above will potentially be in positions of responsibility that could monkey wrench stuff to one degree or another. Maybe just mosquito bites, but mosquito bites can add up. Especially Senior Executive Service personnel. I'm unsure if there is anything that would give the President "firing power" regarding SES personnel over GS level civil servants.
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Most of the fed.gov general counsel are one of the few fed groups that have a union. Also keep in mind a large portion of the kiboshers, whether you call them "deep state" or just malcontents, are in the civil service.
Anybody around GS13 and above will potentially be in positions of responsibility that could monkey wrench stuff to one degree or another. Maybe just mosquito bites, but mosquito bites can add up. Especially Senior Executive Service personnel. I'm unsure if there is anything that would give the President "firing power" regarding SES personnel over GS level civil servants.
Makes you wonder what could be done to just take decisions away from those people, bypass them, and such; without officially firing them.
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Makes you wonder what could be done to just take decisions away from those people, bypass them, and such; without officially firing them.
It certainly can and has been done. I used to see some upper level shuffling whenever new deputy undersecretaries showed up under new administrations. Usually it involved some lateral move or "promotion" with a new fancy title. Someone might go from being a national office Director to "Senior Advisor for Special Projects". Though title aside, it usually meant they had a staff of one (themselves). They would still have a budget so they could hold meetings in Hawaii, but zero policy power.
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In my opinion that may have been Trump's biggest failure. He should have terminated every Obama holdover he was legally able to fire.
100%.
At first I kind of applauded his magnanimity and figured he was smart to not whack the whole head off a sort-of-halfway-functioning business. After a while I started to see how that was a mistake on both my part and his.
I bet he (or his designee) won't make the same mistake the next time.
Terry, 230RN
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN3uEzRP5kw
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100%.
At first I kind of applauded his magnanimity and figured he was smart to not whack the whole head off a sort-of-halfway-functioning business. After a while I started to see how that was a mistake on both my part and his.
I bet he (or his designee) won't make the same mistake the next time.
Terry, 230RN
I wouldn't bet the farm republic on that assumption. They're called the stupid party for a reason.
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It certainly can and has been done. I used to see some upper level shuffling whenever new deputy undersecretaries showed up under new administrations. Usually it involved some lateral move or "promotion" with a new fancy title. Someone might go from being a national office Director to "Senior Advisor for Special Projects". Though title aside, it usually meant they had a staff of one (themselves). They would still have a budget so they could hold meetings in Hawaii, but zero policy power.
I've heard it called "Moving people to the turkey farm." They keep their salary, they get a fancy title, maybe even an office with a window, but they have no assignments, no people reporting to them (other than perhaps more turkeys), no responsibilities, no security clearance, and no authority.
The only real danger is that the next administration might bring them back into the fold.