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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on April 21, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
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[popcorn]
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1517189688523689985
NOW – Florida House votes in favor to strip Disney's self-government. pic.twitter.com/gq9S0po83K
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 21, 2022
‘Listen to them screech’! It sounds like the Fla. House Dems took the vote on Disney really well (cue eye roll)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/04/21/listen-to-them-screech-it-sounds-like-the-fla-house-dems-took-the-vote-on-disney-really-well-cue-eye-roll/
The bill is now on the gov's desk.
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Bunch on the left calling for Disney to move out of Fl.
All this over the Parental Rights in Education bill.
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The Disney "Reedy Creek Development District" thing was a gigantic boondoggle from the outset. Did y'all know that "Reedy Creek" had it's own building code? Unrelated to the Florida building code or the International Building Code that every state adopts as the model for their respective state codes. It never should have been allowed in the first place, but money talks.
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Hopefully this will be a lesson to other corporations who seek to get active in politics that don't concern them. The activists are not your friends.
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The response of the Florida legislature make me wonder if Disney was directing most of their lobbying toward Democrats.
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The response of the Florida legislature make me wonder if Disney was directing most of their lobbying toward Democrats.
Ya think? (Campaign contributions count as lobbying, right?)
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Judging by some propaganda piece I saw, they're spinning this as Dictator DeSantis punishing a business that defied his scorched earth culture war policies.
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I am of mixed feelings on this. On one hand, there never should have been a carve out for Disney, and they shouldn't have pretty much all the special treatment they get.
On the other hand I don't like to see the power of government used to vindictivly punish companies (and/or people) that have spoken out In opposition to the party in charge.
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I would probably be screeching too if I lived in one of those counties!
Effectively, Disney’s loss of control also hands it a $163 million per year tax break. If the entire state of Florida was responsible for covering the hole, each taxpayer would have to cough up roughly $7.50.
However, this burden will not be shared equally. Despite zero debate or public comment, and the near-total opposition of Central Florida’s delegation to this maneuver, Orange and Osceola County taxpayers will shoulder the hit alone, leaving both counties staring at financial ruin.
Salvaging the budgets won’t be pretty. State law prevents the counties from raising sales taxes or impact fees to cover the costs. They also must tax all areas of the county equally, meaning whatever they enact must apply to everyone.
That leaves one avenue: property taxes, of which Orange County collects approximately $600 million per year right now.
“I don’t see how Orange County doesn’t raise property taxes by 20% to 25%,” Randolph said. “That’s what [the county] would probably have to do to cover this financial situation.”
I don't like to see the power of government used to vindictivly punish companies (and/or people) that have spoken out In opposition to the party in charge.
Unfortunately this sentiment is much less common these days, even on the right. =(
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I have less of a problem with it since Disney et al were pushing back against an anti-pedo/grooming issue.
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I am of mixed feelings on this. On one hand, there never should have been a carve out for Disney, and they shouldn't have pretty much all the special treatment they get.
On the other hand I don't like to see the power of government used to vindictivly punish companies (and/or people) that have spoken out In opposition to the party in charge.
Yes, either give the same deal to everyone or take it away from everyone. Level playing field for the market.
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I would probably be screeching too if I lived in one of those counties!
Unfortunately this sentiment is much less common these days, even on the right. =(
I doubt Disney will turn over all its emergency services to the county. Plenty of big chemical plants in Texas have their own certified emergency services groups. Disney will likely keep theirs and pay for it. Otherwise, the response time would go way down.
Beyond that, there always excuses to keep regulations and BigGov stuff in place.
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The Disney "Reedy Creek Development District" thing was a gigantic boondoggle from the outset. Did y'all know that "Reedy Creek" had it's own building code? Unrelated to the Florida building code or the International Building Code that every state adopts as the model for their respective state codes. It never should have been allowed in the first place, but money talks.
Yep, I've seen it as my company as done MEP design for tenants at Disney Springs.
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I have less of a problem with it since Disney et al were pushing back against an anti-pedo/grooming issue.
That, and is it really a punishment? They used to have a sweetheart deal with special privileges. Now they don't.
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Ya think? (Campaign contributions count as lobbying, right?)
They do IMO. I just imagine if Disney was supporting politicians from both sides, the establishment R's over there wouldn't be so quick to do this.
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They used to have a sweetheart deal with special privileges. Now they don't.
That's the crux of the whole thing. Now they're playing at the same table, and with the same deck, as everyone else. They wanted fairness and equity. They got it.
Brad
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Isn't the Scientology town in Florida also a special district? I wonder if this bill only applies to Disney.
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I'm really confused by this.
We have a Republican legislature and governor, targeting a special interest megacorp, with legislation that relieves it of bond/debt obligation as well as municipal civil services obligations. Those debts and operational costs are being distributed to the two counties the megacorp's land straddles.
And we have the megacorp complaining about it, and this move being somehow a battlefield in the ongoing Culture War.
I look at this and while I disagree with Disney's stance in the Culture War, I applaud them for operating a city-sized theme park for half a century without bothering with government oversight. They appeased their insurers and had such a low rate of injury or civil violation that no argument could be made to strip them of self-government for 50+ years, up until they disagreed about gays and trannies or something like that.
These Republicans transferred the corporation's bond debt to the county and its taxpayers? Republicans? And the municipal operational costs and code enforcement costs of an installation like Disneyworld are far greater than the taxes received by the counties in question.
There's a lot of bad thinking going on all around this.
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I'm really confused by this.
We have a Republican legislature and governor, targeting a special interest megacorp, with legislation that relieves it of bond/debt obligation as well as municipal civil services obligations. Those debts and operational costs are being distributed to the two counties the megacorp's land straddles.
And we have the megacorp complaining about it, and this move being somehow a battlefield in the ongoing Culture War.
I look at this and while I disagree with Disney's stance in the Culture War, I applaud them for operating a city-sized theme park for half a century without bothering with government oversight. They appeased their insurers and had such a low rate of injury or civil violation that no argument could be made to strip them of self-government for 50+ years, up until they disagreed about gays and trannies or something like that.
These Republicans transferred the corporation's bond debt to the county and its taxpayers? Republicans? And the municipal operational costs and code enforcement costs of an installation like Disneyworld are far greater than the taxes received by the counties in question.
There's a lot of bad thinking going on all around this.
I agree. The Rs in Florida passed some legislation that lets them campaign saying "I fought Disney and took away their special privileges." But it looks like everyone ignored (willingly or negligently) the financial impact on the Orlando area. Heck, I was just reading how Disney maintained all of the roads from the interstate to all of their properties...which are now public owned and the responsibility of the counties to maintain. So Disney goes from paying 100% of those costs to sharing those expenses with all of the other county tax payers. On the emergency response, I read that "Dinsey Fire" often responded to local businesses and communities under mutual aid agreements. Those were dissolved by the bill, and Disney Fire cannot operate off of Dinsey owned property anymore.
Really feel like this is a "cut off nose to spite face" situation.
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This was a case of Disney waking up one day and saying " You know what? *expletive deleted*ck that state government, we do what we want." The rest is history. Good bad or otherwise.
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Isn't the Scientology town in Florida also a special district? I wonder if this bill only applies to Disney.
I heard on a podcast, and I’m too lazy to find a source for a link, that the wording was such that all such special areas formed before the ratification of the state constitution (1968-ish) and not since renewed were dissolved as of June 2023. Disneys special area was created about a year before. I’m sure that was to avoid any kind of bill of attainder type of challenge.
No idea how many other special areas are affected.
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Unfortunately, a lot of us are stuck in the 90s on this, thinking that the homosexual/transgender controversies are all much ado over what 2 consenting adults do in the bedroom. Or at the pride parade. Well, that's not true anymore, if it ever was. This whole thing is the result of some teachers and some schools pushing kids into transgenderism, and teaching about sexuality at inappropriate ages. And they don't want parents to know about it. If that's not something government should address, then nothing is.
So enough talk about how this is just some social issue, stuffy old conservatives don't like the gayz, etc.
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Is it just me, or is it hysterical watching the liberals weeping for and defending a mega corporation's special tax status...
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Is it just me, or is it hysterical watching the liberals weeping for and defending a mega corporation's special tax status...
Not just you. You beat me to it.
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Another take on The Mouse being reigned in by Florida.
https://townhall.com/columnists/peterpischke/2022/04/22/some-perspective-why-governor-ron-desantis-is-right-to-undisney-florida-n2606210 (https://townhall.com/columnists/peterpischke/2022/04/22/some-perspective-why-governor-ron-desantis-is-right-to-undisney-florida-n2606210)
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I'm not sure where I stand on this at this point re: government intervention. I see good points made on both side. What currently has me swaying towards "yay Florida", is the fact that this involves children, and the whole thing with Disney not only supporting the whole "5-year old transgender and screw the parents" thing, but actively looking at creating propaganda cartoons to promote it.
On the other hand, the entire country is not yet nuts, and quite possibly market forces, instead of government, could take care of this. Disney has apparently already lost over $34 billion because of their stance.
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. . . Disney has apparently already lost over $34 billion because of their stance.
Thirty four . . . billion? Even in these days of Bidenflation, that's still a lot of money.
If so . . . . =D
Was this stock value or actual money? Can you point me to a link with this info?
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Now how much of that can be attributed to them pumping out 90+% garbage nowadays?
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Was this stock value or actual money? Can you point me to a link with this info?
Value. Sorry, it's an Epoch Times Premium link, but here's a snippet:
Disney’s market cap has shrunk by nearly $34 billion since the company expressed its full-throated opposition to a Florida law banning instruction of gender identity and sexual orientation in public schools for kindergarten through third grade.
Florida lawmakers in March passed HB 1557, dubbed by opponents as the “Don’t Say Gay” bill, which was signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis on March 28.
That same day, Disney waded deeply into the controversy, issuing a statement highly critical of HB 1557 and saying it was the company’s objective to have it repealed.
From March 28, the day the company issued the statement, to April 22, Disney’s market cap has fallen by around $33.9 billion.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/disney-has-lost-34-billion-in-value-since-embarking-on-culture-war-with-florida_4422586.html
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Now how much of that can be attributed to them pumping out 90+% garbage nowadays?
Sure, that can be part of it, but it's kinda related. Much like with Netflix, who also recently took a market dump, average Americans are getting sick of the woke *expletive deleted*it and watching shows with 90% gays and 10% heteros, and gratuitous gay sex thrown into scenes where it makes zero sense other than to promote an agenda.
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If Florida seized Disney, and gave its assets to the Creation Museum, there might be cause for concern. But all they've done is revoke the Mouse's special status.
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Sure, that can be part of it, but it's kinda related. Much like with Netflix, who also recently took a market dump, average Americans are getting sick of the woke *expletive deleted*it and watching shows with 90% gays and 10% heteros, and gratuitous gay sex thrown into scenes where it makes zero sense other than to promote an agenda.
True but I would content even if you took out most of the woke stuff most of it would still be B movie level garbage. 300 million dollar B movies is what we're getting now woke or not. :facepalm:
Seriously I think they've forgotten how to write a full length movie nowadays. Most movies are now 15 minutes, if that, of story surrounded by 2 hours of CGI. Writing is hard, CGI is easy now. The woke stuff is just making it worse.
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While I applaud any effort at poking the Mouse in its lace-wearing, butt-plug sporting transgender self, I suspect that once this is litigated it's not going to go well for the state of Florida.
This has all of the hallmarks of an illegal retaliatory move on the part of the Republican-led legislature.
It also looks like it's going to have the potential to hammer the ever loving hell out of the services budgets of the local counties.
I don't think this was a very bright move at all.
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While I applaud any effort at poking the Mouse in its lace-wearing, butt-plug sporting transgender self, I suspect that once this is litigated it's not going to go well for the state of Florida.
This has all of the hallmarks of an illegal retaliatory move on the part of the Republican-led legislature.
Why would it be illegal? It was a bill passed by their legislature and signed by the Gov.
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Why would it be illegal? It was a bill passed by their legislature and signed by the Gov.
Unless the original bill was part of a legally binding contract assuring Disney it's special status in perpetuity (or at least for a defined time period which hasn't expired yet) I don't see how changing the law would be illegal.
IMHO it's hard to argue that leveling the playing field so they're under the same rules as every other corporation in the state is illegally retaliatory.
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Because it could be seen to be a purely retaliatory act with no true legislative purpose other than to be retaliatory.
It could also be seen as a government attempt at suppressing Disney's free speech rights.
"Why would it be illegal? It was a bill passed by their legislature and signed by the Gov."
Oh, sure, NO law passed in the prescribed manner has ever been overturned on its legal merits because.. legislative process.
"IMHO it's hard to argue that leveling the playing field so they're under the same rules as every other corporation in the state is illegally retaliatory."
Florida has nearly 2,000 legislatively declared special districts. The law overturning Disney's status affects Disney and 4 or 5 others... The other nearly 2,000? Unaffected by the legislation.
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Can we arrange a meeting between Swalwell and Mike Tyson?
BS like this is not helping.
Imagine wanting the right to attack gay people so badly that you’d kill Mickey Mouse to do it. https://t.co/DzqKon5ePt
— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) April 22, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/04/23/rep-eric-swalwell-says-imagine-killing-mickey-mouse-because-you-want-the-right-to-attack-gay-people-so-badly/
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Dumbass oh I mean Swalwell has never spent a sunset in Keywest. Straight, gay or ect. doesn't matter. We all just party and have fun.
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Can we arrange a meeting between Swalwell and Mike Tyson?
BS like this is not helping.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/04/23/rep-eric-swalwell-says-imagine-killing-mickey-mouse-because-you-want-the-right-to-attack-gay-people-so-badly/
Imagine being willing to nuke those gay people and Mickey Mouse for gun control
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Imagine being willing to nuke those gay people and Mickey Mouse for gun control
Well played
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I thought this was a good thread on the whole, "But Hobby Lobby!" thing, as well as baking the cake. You can still be on the "the gov is wrong" side, but using either Hobby Lobby or the cake baker as examples will not help your case. I suppose we could throw in the Catholic nuns that Obama went after as well.
Maybe Disney should do what these other groups did, and we'll see what the SC says about it.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/04/24/bake-the-cake-ring-a-bell-slappy-dispatch-scolds-jonah-goldberg-and-david-french-dragged-for-using-hobby-lobby-to-shame-the-right-over-disney/
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There's a fast way to completely trash an argument regarding the whole "but children have gender issues" crowd...
Link a Desmond video.
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Because it could be seen to be a purely retaliatory act with no true legislative purpose other than to be retaliatory.
It could also be seen as a government attempt at suppressing Disney's free speech rights.
"Why would it be illegal? It was a bill passed by their legislature and signed by the Gov."
Oh, sure, NO law passed in the prescribed manner has ever been overturned on its legal merits because.. legislative process.
"IMHO it's hard to argue that leveling the playing field so they're under the same rules as every other corporation in the state is illegally retaliatory."
Florida has nearly 2,000 legislatively declared special districts. The law overturning Disney's status affects Disney and 4 or 5 others... The other nearly 2,000? Unaffected by the legislation.
If the bill was specifically targeting Disney with undeserved sanctions worse than their competitors, I might agree. Targeting an individual or business is not something we want to see done by govt. However, my understanding is it was just taking away special incentives/arrangements that only Disney had. And some people seem to be arguing this helps Disney.
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Targeting an individual or business is not something we want to see done by govt.
It would also be nice if Disney wasn't attempting to target our children for conversion to sexual perversion.
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"However, my understanding is it was just taking away special incentives/arrangements that only Disney had."
And how is that not the textbook definition of targeting?
"And some people seem to be arguing this helps Disney."
It both helps and hurts Disney. But it really has the potential to hurt the hell out of the tax payers in the two counties from which this special carve out was created. They're now on the hook for a lot more in costs.
What this does do, however, is make Disney and its operations subject to a LOT more oversight from the state and local governments, and right there is the avenue for governmental oversight abuse.
Sorry, but everything I'm seeing is telling me that Disney didn't like the law that Republicans passed in Florida, so the Disney corp spoke out.
Florida Republican didn't like that one bit so they're attempting to hit the Mouse in the wallet.
Apparently Desantis took a page out of the Trump/Putin Combined Playbook on dealing with people you don't like.
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Well no one's been poisoned.....yet.
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There's a lot of bad thinking going on all around this.
Haven't you heard? Pedophiles and groomers are everywhere, lurking in every closet.
The ends justify the means and if you're not scared yet - what about the children?
Think of the children!
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"However, my understanding is it was just taking away special incentives/arrangements that only Disney had."
And how is that not the textbook definition of targeting?
"And some people seem to be arguing this helps Disney."
It both helps and hurts Disney. But it really has the potential to hurt the hell out of the tax payers in the two counties from which this special carve out was created. They're now on the hook for a lot more in costs.
What this does do, however, is make Disney and its operations subject to a LOT more oversight from the state and local governments, and right there is the avenue for governmental oversight abuse.
Sorry, but everything I'm seeing is telling me that Disney didn't like the law that Republicans passed in Florida, so the Disney corp spoke out.
Florida Republican didn't like that one bit so they're attempting to hit the Mouse in the wallet.
Apparently Desantis took a page out of the Trump/Putin Combined Playbook on dealing with people you don't like.
So they are going to go after Disney using the same state and local regulations/oversight their competitors already have to work under. Yeah, excessive govt power can be used as a weapon, but you are making assumptions about what they will do going forward.
And no, it isn't the "Trump/Putin" playbook. That is just main stream media talking points which I am surprised you are using. That is the leftist democrat playbook.
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So, you're saying that there's nothing punitive about Desantis' actions (By Desantis I'm including both him and the rest of the Florida Republican party here) despite:
1. The specific timing of the legislature's actions in response to significant criticism from Disney.
2. There being absolutely no legislative activity against Disney's carve outs before passage of the Don't Say Gay bill.
3. Despite the hyper specific targeting of Disney's carve outs while leaving thousands of other carve outs in place.
Yeah, that's like Putin saying he's not invading Ukraine despite troops and tanks pouring over the Russia/Ukraine border.
"And no, it isn't the "Trump/Putin" playbook."
Sure... Neither Trump nor Putin have anything even remotely close to a well established, well documented history of personally going after people who have opposed them. The only difference between Putin and Trump in that respect? Trump hasn't ordered the murder of one of his opponents. Yet.
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So, you're saying that there's nothing punitive about Desantis' actions (By Desantis I'm including both him and the rest of the Florida Republican party here) despite:
1. The specific timing of the legislature's actions in response to significant criticism from Disney.
2. There being absolutely no legislative activity against Disney's carve outs before passage of the Don't Say Gay bill.
3. Despite the hyper specific targeting of Disney's carve outs while leaving thousands of other carve outs in place.
Yeah, that's like Putin saying he's not invading Ukraine despite troops and tanks pouring over the Russia/Ukraine border.
"And no, it isn't the "Trump/Putin" playbook."
Sure... Neither Trump nor Putin have anything even remotely close to a well established, well documented history of personally going after people who have opposed them. The only difference between Putin and Trump in that respect? Trump hasn't ordered the murder of one of his opponents. Yet.
I think what I am saying and what you think I am saying are two different things. What exactly is the Govt principle that you think Florida is violating?
Please be more specific about actions Trump has taken.
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Not speaking for K-Frame, but expanding on my first post:
This is clearly, 100%, payback for Disney publicly opposing the Parental Rights in Education Act. Looking at the special district wasn't even on the horizon. So Disney held a [corporate] political position and is being targeted by the government for it. That's uncool.
The fact that Disney has been given special treatment for so long left them open to "targeting" by the government just by removing some special privileges is also uncool. While, perhaps, a case could have been made in the 60's that Disney aught to get some special treatment to help them set up their tourist mecca, the need for that is LONG past, and Disney has done some pretty shady *expletive deleted*it in Central Florida politics over the years. It remains to be seen exactly how this will all shake out and who it will end up costing more money. I promise you though, the loss of autonomy and added oversight rankle the mouse way more than any extra bills might.
So Disney getting taken down a notch, and having some of their special treatment taken away? Cool.
One party using their majority to, blatantly, punish a corporation for a political stance? Not Cool.
Hence mixed feelings.
Although, realistically much like the Bill that caused all this hullabaloo I think it's all just theatre to keep DeSantis in the news cycle and the voters riled up for the midterms. Disney will negotiate an amended bill before this takes effect, and it will be quietly passed in December or so.
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Being on the opposite end of the country, I have not really kept track: is Governor DeSantis running for President in 2024? Or is he a likely candidate?
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Being on the opposite end of the country, I have not really kept track: is Governor DeSantis running for President in 2024? Or is he a likely candidate?
He has said he is not running in '24. He is running for governor again this year, and that term would take him to 2026, were he to finish it. I've certainly heard his name floated by other Republicans, but so far he has said no.
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Not speaking for K-Frame, but expanding on my first post:
This is clearly, 100%, payback for Disney publicly opposing the Parental Rights in Education Act. Looking at the special district wasn't even on the horizon. So Disney held a [corporate] political position and is being targeted by the government for it. That's uncool.
The fact that Disney has been given special treatment for so long left them open to "targeting" by the government just by removing some special privileges is also uncool. While, perhaps, a case could have been made in the 60's that Disney aught to get some special treatment to help them set up their tourist mecca, the need for that is LONG past, and Disney has done some pretty shady *expletive deleted*it in Central Florida politics over the years. It remains to be seen exactly how this will all shake out and who it will end up costing more money. I promise you though, the loss of autonomy and added oversight rankle the mouse way more than any extra bills might.
So Disney getting taken down a notch, and having some of their special treatment taken away? Cool.
One party using their majority to, blatantly, punish a corporation for a political stance? Not Cool.
Hence mixed feelings.
Although, realistically much like the Bill that caused all this hullabaloo I think it's all just theatre to keep DeSantis in the news cycle and the voters riled up for the midterms. Disney will negotiate an amended bill before this takes effect, and it will be quietly passed in December or so.
I don't like these special arrangements for corporations either especially when they are permanent. However, it doesn't bother me too much if those special arrangements are taken away. It wasn't that long ago that one of the airlines ticked off the state of Georgia and that state took away a fuel subsidy they had given them. I didn't mind that either (might have given it back by now). I was more upset they were doing it to begin with. I would rather Govt/Big Corp never get in bed with each other at all since small businesses generally don't get those benefits.
On the parental rights bill they passed, the bill doesn't do a whole lot. The interesting part to me is just how many people and corporations were dead set against it.
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On the parental rights bill they passed, the bill doesn't do a whole lot. The interesting part to me is just how many people and corporations were dead set against it.
The Parental Rights in Education Act does exactly what it was designed to do: Bring up the question of who gets to decide public school curriculum in FL and push it to the front of everyone's mind right before the FL Gubernatorial Election. The lessons of VA were not lost on the FL GOP. As soon as the Dem. primary is over, expect someone to ask the candidate if they will be repealing that law, fallowed by pointed questions on what curriculum they want that isn't allowed under the law. The whole law is a political trap.
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I don't really see the uncool with this targeting. I can see of course the almost parallels of your corporation, county, or whatever supported Trump so here is this new special tax just for you. This case is somewhat different. Mouse threw its political weight around, Florida reminded mouse that it too had weight to throw. Pretty much don't throw bricks at glass houses when you too occupy one.
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I don't really see the uncool with this targeting. I can see of course the almost parallels of your corporation, county, or whatever supported Trump so here is this new special tax just for you. This case is somewhat different. Mouse threw its political weight around, Florida reminded mouse that it too had weight to throw. Pretty much don't throw bricks at glass houses when you too occupy one.
What if we reframed it as the government throwing it's weight around to stop something we liked?
Q And just a quick one on the breaking news: Twitter agreeing to let Elon Musk purchase — make his — go through with this purchase. Do you have a response to that? And does the White House have any concern that this new agreement might have President Trump back on the platform?
MS. PSAKI: Well, I’m not going to comment on a specific transaction. What I can tell you as a general matter: No matter who owns or runs Twitter, the President has long been concerned about the power of large social media platforms, what they ha- — the power they have over our everyday lives; has long argued that tech platforms must be held accountable for the harms they cause. He has been a strong supporter of fundamental reforms to achieve that goal, including reforms to Section 230, enacting antitrust reforms, requiring more transparency, and more. And he’s encouraged that there’s bipartisan interest in Congress.
In terms of what hypothetical policies might happen, I’m just not going to speak to that at this point in time.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2022/04/25/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-april-25-2022/
That's a shot across the bow if ever there was one.
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Of course, Disney should not be punished for opposing some bill in the FL legislature.
Of course, Disney should be punished for their self-admitted sexual grooming of children. It is a well established fact of law that obscenity has no first amendment protection. And sexual grooming of children is obscene.
So, punish Disney please.
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(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb042522dAPR20220425034505.jpg)
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Of course, Disney should not be punished for opposing some bill in the FL legislature.
Of course, Disney should be punished for their self-admitted sexual grooming of children. It is a well established fact of law that obscenity has no first amendment protection. And sexual grooming of children is obscene.
So, punish Disney please.
Self-admitted sexual grooming of children? I was not aware that Disney had admitted such, although I confess I don't keep eyes on everything they might do.
So we're kinda going "the end justifies the means" here?
*not as a rhetorical gotcha, sometimes the end does in fact justify the means, I'm just trying to clarify some of you guys intent. because this was punishment for going against the legislature. Whatever grooming Disney does or does not do did not start in the last 45 days. The instigating event was their opposition to the Parental Rights in Education bill.
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Of course, Disney should not be punished for opposing some bill in the FL legislature.
Of course, Disney should be punished for their self-admitted sexual grooming of children. It is a well established fact of law that obscenity has no first amendment protection. And sexual grooming of children is obscene.
So, punish Disney please.
So we're going to need some unbiased citations to support your case.
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....unbiased citations...
Good luck finding that. =D
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So we're going to need some unbiased citations to support your case.
OK, here you go!
https://news.yahoo.com/disney-executive-producer-admits-gay-224509498.html?msclkid=33e524c4c59c11ec8e5c066ed23c17e7
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Self-admitted sexual grooming of children? I was not aware that Disney had admitted such, although I confess I don't keep eyes on everything they might do.
So we're kinda going "the end justifies the means" here?
*not as a rhetorical gotcha, sometimes the end does in fact justify the means, I'm just trying to clarify some of you guys intent. because this was punishment for going against the legislature. Whatever grooming Disney does or does not do did not start in the last 45 days. The instigating event was their opposition to the Parental Rights in Education bill.
The passage of the bill led Disney to admit, and recommit, to their established grooming practices. That’s what changed.
I wonder if some of us differ in our perspective because some of us see the legislature as acting purely from partisan motives, competing for votes; and some of us think the legislature might just be doing their duty to the people by stripping special benefits from an organization that has designs on their children. I admit, I'd be more confident about the second view if the legislature had phrased things that way, instead of their more arbitrary language.
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BTW, if this is a first amendment issue, does that mean corporations are people?
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The passage of the bill led Disney to admit, and recommit, to their established grooming practices. That’s what changed.
I wonder if some of us differ in our perspective because some of us see the legislature as acting purely from partisan motives, competing for votes; and some of us think the legislature might just be doing their duty to the people by stripping special benefits from an organization that has designs on their children. I admit, I'd be more confident about the second view if the legislature had phrased things that way, instead of their more arbitrary language.
Those people are not familiar with FL politics or the FL GOP. Many of these same legislators have happily sold people, children, the environment, or anything not nailed down to corporations, including Disney. Had they phrased it as doing their duty to the people, the laughing would have killed a double digit percentage of their voters from coronaries.
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The passage of the bill led Disney to admit, and recommit, to their established grooming practices. That’s what changed.
I wonder if some of us differ in our perspective because some of us see the legislature as acting purely from partisan motives, competing for votes; and some of us think the legislature might just be doing their duty to the people by stripping special benefits from an organization that has designs on their children. I admit, I'd be more confident about the second view if the legislature had phrased things that way, instead of their more arbitrary language.
Probably both depending on who you are talking about.
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2022: the year the Left became both pro-war and pro-big-business.
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Those people are not familiar with FL politics or the FL GOP. Many of these same legislators have happily sold people, children, the environment, or anything not nailed down to corporations, including Disney. Had they phrased it as doing their duty to the people, the laughing would have killed a double digit percentage of their voters from coronaries.
None of which rules out that the possibility they are actually doing the right thing, and doing their duty for the people of Florida. The basis of electoral, representative government is that it creates the incentive for power-hungry, greedy, corrupt sleaze-bags to do what they ought to do. At least some of the time.
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2022: the year the Left became both pro-war and pro-big-business.
They've been both pro-war as long as it's a war they got us involved in (think Clinton, Obama, Biden) and big-business if the business openly holds leftest views and is a big donator to leftest causes (ie Apple which has a cult like following among leftists) for some time now.
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Biden
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1520589032874516481
:facepalm:
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Disney Launches LGBTQ ‘Pride Collection’ Clothing Line For Kids, Promises To Donate Profits To LGBTQ Organizations
https://www.dailywire.com/news/disney-launches-lgbtq-pride-collection-clothing-line-for-kids-promises-to-donate-profits-to-lgbtq-organizations?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter
Disney's wesite
https://disneyconnect.com/dpep/twdc-pride-collection/?CMP=ILC-DPFY22Q3wo0512220016A
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In case there was any doubt Disney is pushing this stuff
Video
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1529561983288082432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529561983288082432%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2022%2F05%2F25%2Fthis-disney-promo-has-a-drag-queen-inviting-kids-to-visit-and-join-trans-activist-organization-glsen%2F
This Disney+ promo has a drag queen inviting kids to visit and join trans activist organization GLSEN
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/25/this-disney-promo-has-a-drag-queen-inviting-kids-to-visit-and-join-trans-activist-organization-glsen/
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The Governor is not just unhappy with Disney: https://www.insider.com/florida-desantis-vetoes-funding-rays-training-facility-gun-control-tweets-2022-6
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The Governor is not just unhappy with Disney: https://www.insider.com/florida-desantis-vetoes-funding-rays-training-facility-gun-control-tweets-2022-6
Good decision regardless of a pro or antigun stance. As a taxpayer, I would be outraged to be paying for state of the art training facilities for millionaires in the private sector. Let them pay for that "yay sports" crap.