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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on May 14, 2022, 06:04:28 PM
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Man reportedly with a rifle and body armor open fire in a Buffalo grocery
At least 10 being reported dead.
Reported the man was live streaming.
They're already tossing around the term racially motivated since the grocery is in a predominately black neighborhood
Stay tuned
BREAKING: At Least 10 Dead After Gunman Opens Fire in Buffalo Grocery Store
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-at-least-10-dead-after-gunman-opens-fire-in-buffalo-grocery-store/
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Teenager reported in custody
New York police respond to 'mass shooting' at Buffalo grocery store, 'multiple people' shot
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-police-mass-shooting-buffalo-grocery-store
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Gramaglia said that an 18-year-old White male allegedly committed the shooting and was live-streaming it online.
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Cue the race baiters
Cue the calls for gun control.
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Well, thank goodness it couldn't have been an "assault weapon" type rifle, since those uber-deadly machines of mass destruction aren't allowed in the Empire State.
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Seeing a name being tossed around is that he is white nationalist.
Also this
Ryan
@breakingryan1
🚨Graphic video 🚨 Man arrested in military uniform after mass shooting at Tops Supermarket in Buffalo, New York
https://twitter.com/breakingryan1/status/1525553714081280001
Also he supposedly put out a Manifesto https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/
If that is it yikes. The MSM is going to have a field day.
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Just in time for a supreme court case on the New York pistol permitting process. How convenient.
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Reported Bushmaster XM-15
That was way quicker than usual
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Apparently some already know who to blame :facepalm:
What is it now with the left and Tucker Carlson?
The Buffalo killer’s manifesto reads like a job application for a junior producer on Tucker Carlson.
And no, I’m not being flippant.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) May 14, 2022
A real feather in @TuckerCarlson’s cap. https://t.co/uQzQpMmqNQ
— FreshMouthHat (@Popehat) May 14, 2022
More blood on the hands of @tuckercarlson and @foxnews this killer used their racist talking points to justify killing 10 people. Carlson won't stop because as he explained to the NYTimes, it's good for ratings. Lives be damned. As Carlson will be at judgement day. https://t.co/fse5bRvEbN
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) May 14, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/14/self-described-white-supremacist-kills-at-least-10-in-mass-shooting-in-buffalo-while-streaming-on-twitch/
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Also, an 18 year old doing this just days after the calif ruling on 18 year olds and guns, and antis saying this will happen. You really don't even need tinfoil these days
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Wonder if the Ministry of Misinformation is going to try to shut down 4chan and others mentioned in the manifesto.
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How more convenient: Bill H.R.350 almost certainly going to pass now because of this shooting and it just so happens to create a task force to purge the military of "white supremacist and neo-nazi infiltration of the uniformed services and federal law enforcement agencies."
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I don't know that anything would come of it, but I wonder if they'll try and push legislation to ban civilian body armor? If he was in fact actually wearing any as reported. All too often somebody has a vest or an empty carrier, and they call it armor.
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When the shooter exited his vehicle, he shot four people in the parking lot, BPD Commissioner Joesph Gramaglia said during a press conference. Three of them died and one is in the hospital. The shooter entered the store and opened fire on customers.
A retired Buffalo Police officer, who was working as a security guard, shot the gunman, but the 18-year-old was unharmed because he was wearing armor, Gramaglia said. The gunman shot a killed the retired officer.
A law enforcement source told CBS News that the gunman had a racial slur written on his weapon.
Erie County District Attorney John Flynn will not confirm the existence of the shooter’s manifesto. He said they believe there was a “racial component” to the attack but won’t say more.
This attack is being investigated by the FBI as a hate crime and as violent extremism.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2022/05/14/at-least-10-dead-after-shooting-takes-place-at-grocery-store-in-upstate-new-york-n2607263
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Seeing a name being tossed around is that he is white nationalist.
Also this
https://twitter.com/breakingryan1/status/1525553714081280001
Also he supposedly put out a Manifesto https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/
If that is it yikes. The MSM is going to have a field day.
Whew!
I was never diagnosed with a mental disability or disorder, and I believe to be perfectly sane.
FAIL! Failure to have been diagnosed does not equate to the absence of a disorder. Perfectly sane people do not kill random other people in supermarkets.
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For some reason my initial thought goes to false flag and set up by the left.
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Mrgunsngear posted this video on Instagram. A man interviewed on Fox News talking about people needed to take charge of things themselves.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cdj7RbqPSkb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
This photo is a capture from the video the guy was taking. Looks like an AR, but I don't know what kind.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdjXRneOwUS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
(https://i.imgur.com/y9bSV8x.jpg)
He had a cut of the video the guy posted, but stopped before he started shooting. I guess that was taken down.
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That looks like a straight up M16A2 upper. Haven't seen that in a while.
Any word on .mil connections? The *expletive deleted*it will truly hit the fan if he stole that from an arms room somewhere.
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That looks like a straight up M16A2 upper. Haven't seen that in a while.
Any word on .mil connections? The *expletive deleted*it will truly hit the fan if he stole that from an arms room somewhere.
I think there is a lot of "misinformation" to use the popular term, floating around. If his manifesto is not fake, this is what he says:
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/buffalo-rifle.jpg)
Also, more tinfoil from Ben, but why would he buy a firearm "made during the assault weapons ban" from a gun store? A lot of the language in that manifesto sure mentions a lot of anti-gun talking points.
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Also, this was interesting. The story claims that the security officer shot the nutcase multiple times "but the bullets were deflected by body armor". Seems like multiple COM hits into armor would make someone at least temporarily non-effective. I'd be more inclined to believe that he shot and missed.
When Gendron entered the store, Salter, who worked as a security guard at the store, shot him with his firearm multiple times. However, the gunman was wearing armored plating that deflected the bullets. Gendron then fatally shot Salter.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/retired-cop-killed-buffalo-shooting-hailed-hero-local-police
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Also, this was interesting. The story claims that the security officer shot the nutcase multiple times "but the bullets were deflected by body armor". Seems like multiple COM hits into armor would make someone at least temporarily non-effective. I'd be more inclined to believe that he shot and missed.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/retired-cop-killed-buffalo-shooting-hailed-hero-local-police
That is a fair point. Body armor typically protects only a fairly small portion of the body at the straight on angle. Maybe he fired several times, but only hit him in the armor? I guess will see once more information is released.
The steel plate armor from ar500armor.com could probably absorb hits without affecting the wearer too much, but I am not going to volunteer for testing.
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Alright, murdering 10 people is one thing, but I draw the line at racism. That's bad.
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The steel plate armor from ar500armor.com could probably absorb hits without affecting the wearer too much, but I am not going to volunteer for testing.
I might have a biased sampling set, but the only videos I've seen of guys letting themselves be shot in armor show guys who are at the very least temporarily incapacitated. Maybe there is some military documentation showing that guys getting shot in the armor can still be immediately combat effective? Of course they are trained, and this kid was not.
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Alright, murdering 10 people is one thing, but I draw the line at racism. That's bad.
A average Saturday night in Chicago.
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I might have a biased sampling set, but the only videos I've seen of guys letting themselves be shot in armor show guys who are at the very least temporarily incapacitated. Maybe there is some military documentation showing that guys getting shot in the armor can still be immediately combat effective? Of course they are trained, and this kid was not.
Hard armor should have a soft backer to help protect the wearing from the impact. I'm betting most people don't wear soft armor or pads under their hard armor.
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I'd be more inclined to believe that he shot and missed.
Maybe a case of the NY staple gun like trigger striking again?
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Hard armor should have a soft backer to help protect the wearing from the impact. I'm betting most people don't wear soft armor or pads under their hard armor.
And I'm betting the guys that let themselves get "test shot" have a pad behind the armor, and they still get discombobulated. I ordered pads when I bought my armor based on all the videos and images I saw of body bruising / cracked ribs. It's certainly not a magic barrier, but maybe absorbs/dissipates a little of the energy.
EDIT: I should add that I am assuming hard armor. I guess he could have been wearing IIIA soft armor or something instead. Other than "armor" I haven't seen anything else in the news, and we probably can't even assume that there even was armor. Again, it could have been an empty carrier like lots of larpers wear, with the guard just missing his shots. We just can't trust the news reports.
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Seeing stuff on Twatter about he was glorifying Ukrainian military/nationalism?
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The one issue I have with the false flag scenario is that who would be able to be convinced to do it? Most of these shooters wind up dead, either by an armed citizen (granted highly unlikely in NY, even upstate) or by police response. Seemed like from snippet of the “manifesto” he intended to surrender, but still got killed. I mean you’d have to either recruit someone so looney toons they’d do it for the lolz, or someone terminally ill, or someone just so stupid they think they can surrender and survive. None of which seems terribly plausible. Maybe someone can explain how you could recruit for a false flag?
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Seemed like from snippet of the “manifesto” he intended to surrender, but still got killed.
Killed? He's alive and pleaded Not-Guilty last night
None of which seems terribly plausible. Maybe someone can explain how you could recruit for a false flag?
Seems like some of them have no problem with setting themselves on fire to protest climate change.
Not saying if this is false flag or not in anyway shape or form just that recruiting for a suicide mission is often much easier than many may think
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Killed? He's alive and pleaded Not-Guilty last night
D’oh. Brain fart.
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Seen tweets/posts basically saying they knew the shooter was white from the fact the police didn't kill him.
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Killed? He's alive and pleaded Not-Guilty last night
I can't remember if I read it or saw it on the teevee, but I thought somebody reported that he had his gun to his head ready to kill himself but either he changed his mind or the cops talked him down.
The "not guilty" pleas is a bold move. Maybe he's working on a "mentally unfit" defense.
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Saw something stating that two of the victims were white but can't find it now
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Saw something stating that two of the victims were white but can't find it now
In the one video I saw yesterday from his livestream, they cut it just as he appears to shoot what looked like a white women immediately after he exited his car.
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The one main thing that puts a tin foil hat on my head is that his manifesto reads so stereotypical if that's the right word to use. Like it's something someone on the left thinks someone on the right would write.
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The one main thing that puts a tin foil hat on my head is that his manifesto reads so stereotypical if that's the right word to use. Like it's something someone on the left thinks someone on the right would write.
Someone described it as "180 pages of /pol/ memes". I have not read it so I dont know if it was literal or not.
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Someone described it as "180 pages of /pol/ memes". I have not read it so I dont know if it was literal or not.
180 pages? Guess what I saw was the Readers Digest version
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Someone described it as "180 pages of /pol/ memes". I have not read it so I dont know if it was literal or not.
From the few pages I read from a link posted above, yeah, kinda that. I guess it's a low probability that he did this for a progressive cause (specifically anti guns and anti "white extremism") but when you read that manifesto, he manages to hit every lefty talking point on that stuff.
He professes to be a "gun nut" but then uses terms like "military assault weapon". "Gun nuts" generally go out of their way to explain that ARs are specifically NOT that. Antis go out of their way to say that they are. Or that his AR was made during the assault weapon ban. Who do you ever hear say something like that except anti-gunners.
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From the few pages I read from a link posted above, yeah, kinda that. I guess it's a low probability that he did this for a progressive cause (specifically anti guns and anti "white extremism") but when you read that manifesto, he manages to hit every lefty talking point on that stuff.
He professes to be a "gun nut" but then uses terms like "military assault weapon". "Gun nuts" generally go out of their way to explain that ARs are specifically NOT that. Antis go out of their way to say that they are. Or that his AR was made during the assault weapon ban. Who do you ever hear say something like that except anti-gunners.
...those are /pol/ and/or /k/ memes. "Assault rifle 15" for example as mentioned.
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I guess it will come out at trial, but Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is probably true: this is a young kid with racist attitudes who decided to pick up a gun and go shooting minorities. The false flag and lefties writing the manifesto arguments are most likely [tinfoil]
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Probably received grooming at some point by one or more federal agencies. They do that. Federal agents outnumber loonies in extrmist groups these days.
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And I'm betting the guys that let themselves get "test shot" have a pad behind the armor, and they still get discombobulated. I ordered pads when I bought my armor based on all the videos and images I saw of body bruising / cracked ribs. It's certainly not a magic barrier, but maybe absorbs/dissipates a little of the energy.
EDIT: I should add that I am assuming hard armor. I guess he could have been wearing IIIA soft armor or something instead. Other than "armor" I haven't seen anything else in the news, and we probably can't even assume that there even was armor. Again, it could have been an empty carrier like lots of larpers wear, with the guard just missing his shots. We just can't trust the news reports.
There's also the adrenaline factor. Guy's videoing themselves getting shot have plenty of time to build up and get nervous about the bullet. I have also talked to people and seen videos of folks taking 7.62x54R in the SAPI plate, dropping to one knee and returning fire. One of my buddies took half an AKM mag to the IBA and still made it into the back of a Chinook. He said he didn't even stumble in the sprint.
If you're hyped up and moving, I could see taking half a dozen 9mm rounds to a plate and not really slowing down. Whether your average cop could keep a shot grouping on a plate is a different question.
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What we know for a fact
White kid shoots and kills people at a grocery in a predominantly black neighborhood
The pols and MSM will make up BS to use this against anyone they don't like.
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What we know for a fact
White kid shoots and kills people at a grocery in a predominantly black neighborhood
The pols and MSM will make up BS to use this against anyone they don't like.
The location is throwing me. How'd he even know where the predominately black grocery store was 4 hours from his home? Seems like it would make more sense for a guy that really hates blacks to take it out on local blacks, not random strangers on the other side of the state.
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According to Fox News, the shooter was hospitalized and did undergo a mental health evaluation last year because of threats he had made.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-shooting-suspect-payton-gendron-threat-school-mental-health (https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-shooting-suspect-payton-gendron-threat-school-mental-health)
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Anybody make a list of all the existing laws he violated before we see the new push to make every already illegal thing he did even more illegaler while punishing law abiding gun owners?
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BC breaks it down so you don't have to..
https://bigcountryexpatoriginal.blogspot.com/2022/05/yep-tldr-breakdown.html
Link to the so called "manifesto"
And they nuked my link. nevermind. I'm assuming they have it at kiwifarms, haven't looked.
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The location is throwing me. How'd he even know where the predominately black grocery store was 4 hours from his home? Seems like it would make more sense for a guy that really hates blacks to take it out on local blacks, not random strangers on the other side of the state.
I saw the video he made but the version I saw cut as soon as he was about to start shooting. He drove around the parking lot 2 or 3 times before stopping. Maybe he targeted an area and then looked around to see who was in the store? Just a guess.
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I guess it will come out at trial, but Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is probably true: this is a young kid with racist attitudes who decided to pick up a gun and go shooting minorities. The false flag and lefties writing the manifesto arguments are most likely [tinfoil]
I can go with that. If he was really racist, he is probably on the left. Assuming he is a bit cracked but political, I can see him planning to make himself look like some sort of right winger to "justify" his actions. Someone who would do this and go out of their way to find the right area to do it in is gonna be a bit crazy and unpredictable.
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BC breaks it down so you don't have to..
https://bigcountryexpatoriginal.blogspot.com/2022/05/yep-tldr-breakdown.html
Link to the so called "manifesto"
And they nuked my link. nevermind. I'm assuming they have it at kiwifarms, haven't looked.
Like a Ban This list [tinfoil]
From page 62 to 77 he essentially lists every single AR manufacturer and/or accessory manufacturer out there to get pieces-parts. The level and attention to detail is both astonishing and truthfully, *expletive deleted*ing retarded. I mean -I'm- a Master Gunsmith and have been slinging and building guns about 30 years, and I don't think, outside of the Industry or... hmmm the ATF would be THIS detailed and thorough in listing allll the pieces parts
And Ammo?
Holy. *expletive deleted*it.
This list literally lists every. single. type. of available DotMil beebees for feeding the AR variant. Think I'm exaggerating? Here... this' ONE *expletive deleted*ing PAGEof his *expletive deleted*it:
Pages 81 to 142 are literally every. single. infobit about plates, helmets, ballistics... it's quite literally insane. All the makers, all the models, going so deep down an armor-rabbit hole I was *expletive deleted*ing lost. It's almost 60 pages of unneeded info. The only thing I can possibly see here that's to an advantage for the Ministry of Propaganda is that it allows them to pick and choose who can own body armor.
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Oh and make it illegal to gift a gun to your child
Now, the reason I think that Dad didn't buy the shotty for him is the last weapon listed is a Savage Axis XP in .30-06. He's pretty clear about this one:
Dad bought it for him for Christmas 2020.
Hmmmn.
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Wait, so he can't afford drill bits, but he bought himself Crye *expletive deleted*it? I've got money to blow for larping, and *I* won't buy Crye.
And that whole listing of all the models manufacturers, etc. of guns, ammo, and armor kinda has the tinfoil hat back on my head.
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More
Buffalo gunman identified as Payton S. Gendron, 18; Was investigated by the police last year for threatening a local high school
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/15/buffalo-gunman-identified-as-payton-s-gendron-18-was-investigated-by-the-police-last-year-for-threatening-a-local-high-school/
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1,000 ft rolls of aluminum foil $35 at Sam's if anyone is interested.
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Somewhere in that rambling he say's NY's gun laws will make it less likely a customer will be armed.
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1,000 ft rolls of aluminum foil $35 at Sam's if anyone is interested.
I might need that. You had the Bucks game thing. Buffalo now OC church and Houston.
They found out they can't win on abortion so what's next?
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Sigh
Didn't know if I should have started a new thread for this or even start putting them in the world gone mad thread
OC Sheriff, CA
@OCSheriff
#OCSDPIO Deputies are responding to reports of a shooting at a church on the 24000 block of El Toro Road in Laguna Woods. Multiple victims have been shot. More details to follow, PIO en route.
https://twitter.com/OCSheriff/status/1525944252726845441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Or in the SC Roe v Wade thread
"Laguna Woods" is trending on Twitter in reaction to news of the shooting, with some already calling for gun control and criticizing the pro-life movement.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2022/05/15/multiple-people-shot-at-church-in-laguna-woods-california-n2607282
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I wonder if he is on the OCD or autism spectrum, with that level of detail.
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Sigh
Didn't know if I should have started a new thread for this or even start putting them in the world gone mad thread
https://twitter.com/OCSheriff/status/1525944252726845441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Shooter is a 68 year old Asian man. The OC ("Don't call it that!") has been a rather conservative stronghold in CA.
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Shooter is a 68 year old Asian man. The OC ("Don't call it that!") has been a rather conservative stronghold in CA.
Another update at the link
Hallock said the attack happened at a lunch banquet following church service. Churchgoers managed to detain the suspect by hog tying him with extension cords @ocregister
— Eric Anthony Licas (@EricLicas) May 16, 2022
Oh well, back to our regularly scheduled far right wing white supremacists are rampaging across the country
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I saw the video he made but the version I saw cut as soon as he was about to start shooting. He drove around the parking lot 2 or 3 times before stopping. Maybe he targeted an area and then looked around to see who was in the store? Just a guess.
No idea. The store was 4 hours away from his house and the first person he shot was a white woman in the clip I saw. I'm just suspicious given the BS manifesto.
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Like a Ban This list [tinfoil]
Terribly convenient :facepalm:
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Buffalo shooting: Gunman deliberately sought black victims - mayor
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61459023
But then the first thing he does is shoot a white woman :facepalm:
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No idea. The store was 4 hours away from his house and the first person he shot was a white woman in the clip I saw. I'm just suspicious given the BS manifesto.
It does seem to sound like a crazy leftard who was trying to play the part of what he thought a right winger was. In reality he just looks like a murderous fool.
I hope we get more information on some of this.
Do you think someone up there will try to bail him out?
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It does seem to sound like a crazy leftard who was trying to play the part of what he thought a right winger was. In reality he just looks like a murderous fool.
I hope we get more information on some of this.
Do you think someone up there will try to bail him out?
I'm not willing to speculate on this one, other than the review of his giant manifesto stinks to high heaven. I'd agree he's a murderous fool, but I don't think he wrote that screed.
It's really *expletive deleted*ed up that we're debating the legitimacy of his crimes when there's a stack of bodies, but I don't think our side can afford to just let it go. They're going to use this as leverage to *expletive deleted*ck us.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/15/buffalo-shooting-white-replacement-theory-inspires-mass
So the thing that some of the people here keep talking about has a name: white replacement theory. I don't watch Tucker Carlson so I was unaware.
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POSTED A LINK in new thread - video available ( for now ) on a porn/gore site
first victim was a white woman, no warning or chance - no one he first shot had any possibility of fighting back
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/15/buffalo-shooting-white-replacement-theory-inspires-mass
So the thing that some of the people here keep talking about has a name: white replacement theory. I don't watch Tucker Carlson so I was unaware.
The origin of the phrase is from the French book Le Grand Remplacement (means the same thing) by Thomas Piketty. The thing is, Piketty is an economist. The book is basically a simple calculation showing that the base cultures of Europe are doomed based on simple math. I don't see any fault, and people rarely attack, his actual argument, instead they are mostly angry that he pointed it out. I'm optimist in me hopes he will be wrong and his theory will be something like the demographic equivalent of peak oil or "The population bomb". But the realist in me thinks he is right.
Piketty is hardly a right wing idealist. In "Capital in the 21st century" he analyzes increasing income inequality, does similar calculations and projections, and predicts we are on a road to extreme income inequality that will cause instability in the west. He proposes one possible solution is a global wealth tax. That's not really right wing material. I don't think Piketty is an idealist, he's just an economist who looks at the numbers. What he finds is just what he finds, but naturally shining lights around in dark places is never popular. If you find something that makes the globalists uncomfortable, you are just a right wing extremist by default. This happens in France too. The latest populist presidential challenger was labeled "extreme right" at every breath, without any honest analysis of whether the label applies, but simply because if you say anything against the EU or against immigration, you are labeled extreme right by default. Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance.
As far as the theory itself, i think its application to the US is bogus. The US doesn't have the same population bomb issues as Europe. Our population bombs already exploded long ago. Our problems are much more related to cultural warfare along urban-rural and statist-private axes. Old-school racism or ideas about the blacks gonna outbreed us are a distraction. And I don't know any people who really think that way. Maybe that's because I don't hang around 4chan, but when I hear that kind of old school kkk style racial rhetoric it just strikes me as fake.
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Besides, if black Americans were going to outbreed everyone else we’d see their numbers growing. They aren’t. They’ve been 12-14% of the population for the last century at least.
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As far as the theory itself, i think its application to the US is bogus. The US doesn't have the same population bomb issues as Europe. Our population bombs already exploded long ago. Our problems are much more related to cultural warfare along urban-rural and statist-private axes. Old-school racism or ideas about the blacks gonna outbreed us are a distraction. And I don't know any people who really think that way. Maybe that's because I don't hang around 4chan, but when I hear that kind of old school kkk style racial rhetoric it just strikes me as fake.
I've only seen leftists pushing it usually as an imaginary reason why whites are so afraid of and hate blacks and other POCs
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I will have to read Piketty's book since I have long wondered about income inequality leading to class warfare.
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As a general rule, conservatives commit targeted violence, where-as progressives commit indiscriminate violence.
This is indiscriminate violence.
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I will have to read Piketty's book since I have long wondered about income inequality leading to class warfare.
When in human history, since the advent of the earliest civilizations, including looooong before the first currency was invented, has there been anything but income inequality? The relative advantages of the wealthy vs the poor has ebbed and flowed, but arguably there is less differential now in the USA than in most other times in history.
Yeah, yeah, there’s the CEO pay vs average or minimum wage gap talking points. But in terms of what we can buy with our money, the poor are fantastically closer to the ultra wealthy than they were even 50 years ago, let alone 500 or 5000 years ago. And comparing the peasants of medieval or even renaissance Europe to the nobility and monarchs, or the peons of ancient Egypt vs the pharaohs highlights this.
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Also, in the USA, it’s possible (not to say easy) to go from the poorest to the richest in a single lifetime, and to do it by serving the needs of others. Gates, Musk and Bezos may not have grown up counting pennies to buy a gallon of milk, but they didn’t start out as super wealthy. They had a good idea and turned that into product that made peoples lives better and because immensely wealthy as a result. Say what you might about their honesty, ethics, and such but they still primarily served others on their way to wealth. Outside of western capitalism that kind of thing just doesn’t happen. The mega rich in those other systems got there by abusing and enslaving vast numbers of humans. Not by selling them a product or a service.
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arguably there is less differential now in the USA than in most other times in history.
It is arguable.
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Arguing that the poor of today have it much better than Egyptian peons won't help when they put you up against the wall when the class warfare breaks out.
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No one in the United States is poor. There are people that make less than others, often with wide income gaps, but no one is poor. Poor people aren't fat and don't walk around with smart phones and $100 sneakers.
Half the people in the world make less than $2/day. They live in shacks (or worse), have one change of clothes, wear old tires as shoes, and hope they can eat something once a day.
If you want to argue that some people in the US are pissed off that they don't have as much money as other people, that's another argument. The global poor might want to have a word with them though.
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Jill and I will travel to Buffalo on Tuesday to grieve with the community that lost ten lives in a senseless and horrific mass shooting.
— President Biden (@POTUS) May 16, 2022
Just like you traveled to Waukesha to visit the families of the victims of the massacre.
Oh, wait – you didn't go there – you went to Milwaukee to visit the family of Jacob Blake. https://t.co/RqWrIqepqz
— Blue State Snooze (@BlueSnoozeBlue) May 16, 2022
Yep
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/16/waukesha-says-hi-biden-tweeting-about-traveling-with-jill-to-buffalo-to-grieve-with-the-community-after-mass-shooting-goes-so-wronga/
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Arguing that the poor of today have it much better than Egyptian peons won't help when they put you up against the wall when the class warfare breaks out.
If it gets to that point not much will matter at all anymore and short of annihilating those willing to put people against a wall over material envy not much would help the situation.
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They really have it out for Tucker Carlson don't they?
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Sigh
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They really it out for Tucker Carlson don't they?
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They tried something similar with Sarah Palin after Gabby Giffords got shot. She’d had a political add with a target over Giffords district so the left tried to claim she had incited the shooting.
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They tried something similar with Sarah Palin after Gabby Giffords got shot. She’d had a political add with a target over Giffords district so the left tried to claim she had incited the shooting.
Yeah I remember that
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4chbJWYAc8twT?format=jpg&name=large
Max Boot.
Enough said.
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If only they had taught CRT at his school this would have never have happened...or something
Tenn. Dem State Rep suggests that Buffalo killer’s deadly shooting spree could’ve been prevented if his public school had taught CRT
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/16/tenn-dem-state-rep-suggests-that-buffalo-killers-deadly-shooting-spree-couldve-been-prevented-if-his-public-school-had-taught-crt/
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They tried something similar with Sarah Palin after Gabby Giffords got shot. She’d had a political add with a target over Giffords district so the left tried to claim she had incited the shooting.
They still trot that out from time to time.
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"Buffalo killer says he 'wants no part' of political conservatism and is open to being called socialist"
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1526167906769420288
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"Buffalo killer says he 'wants no part' of political conservatism and is open to being called socialist"
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1526167906769420288
His actions are on brand for Marxist-Leninist thought, so sure.
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"Buffalo killer says he 'wants no part' of political conservatism and is open to being called socialist"
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1526167906769420288
As I said, conservatives don't do indiscriminate political violence. Leftists do that, and he is a leftist.
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And an update on that CA church shooting
Chinese immigrant with a hatred of Taiwanese
Authorities: Gunman in deadly California church shooting motivated by hate for Taiwanese
https://www.wlky.com/article/california-church-shooting/40002804
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Throw another log on the blame fire
Remember when we said that acquitting Kyle Rittenhouse would embolden the next Kyle Rittenhouse to be far worse? Yeah.
— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) May 15, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/16/self-satisfied-blue-checked-cnn-msnbc-commentator-feels-vindicated-on-his-kyle-rittenhouse-opinion-thanks-to-buffalo-shooting/
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Reason Joe didn't go to Waukesha? He goes to many places....or something like that.
DOOCY: "How come the President is visiting Buffalo after a senseless tragedy there, but he couldn't visit Waukesha…?"
KJP: "He's visited many communities…that's not the first one, so, he's been to many others." pic.twitter.com/vx0S0HPOJe
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) May 16, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/16/karine-jean-pierre-doesnt-quite-answer-why-president-biden-will-visit-buffalo-but-didnt-visit-waukesha/
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Wonder if it's because of that other manifesto thing?
AP Stylebook reminds reporters not to refer to Buffalo mass shooter’s manifesto as a ‘manifesto’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/16/ap-stylebook-reminds-reporters-not-to-refer-to-buffalo-mass-shooters-manifesto-as-a-manifesto/
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The one main thing that puts a tin foil hat on my head is that his manifesto reads so stereotypical if that's the right word to use. Like it's something someone on the left thinks someone on the right would write.
Kind of like, you know, the NZ shooter's manifesto.
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They really it out for Tucker Carlson don't they?
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I didn't think I could despise Occupy Dems more.
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Sigh
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Oh, there's a party controlled by racist delusion, alright.
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Biden in Buffalo today.
I'm sure he has a list of "common sense" gun laws to announce
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He should ask how an 18 year old mentally ill man, who was investigated by the FBI, got an AR15 in a state with the most restrictive gun law. That is, if he was from NY to begin with. Do we know if he’s a NY resident?
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Biden in Buffalo today.
I'm sure he has a list of "common sense" gun laws to announce
Already being reported that he will be doing so. Par for the course. Notice he never showed up in Waukesha.
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One thing among many that has me confused a bit is him supposedly converting his AR-15 to accept >10rd cap mags if I read that right.
I know NY has 10rd mag restrictions but I wasn't aware of anything along the lines a CA "bullet button" setup so why would he have to mod his gun?
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Though it’s Vice news, here’s some info on the guy, his mental state and how he wasn’t “red flagged” and that he is from NY.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vy3w/buffalo-shooter-red-flag-laws-nyc?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
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Okay I did find this
AR Maglock claims to be compliant with NY SAFE Act...your thoughts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYguns/comments/8c6gtk/ar_maglock_claims_to_be_compliant_with_ny_safe/
AR-15 MAGAZINE LOCK
https://ddsranch.com/ar-15-magazine-lock/
DD's Ranch Magazine Lock holds magazine in exactly the same way as your firearms original magazine catch, but makes it non-removable. Once the firearm has a "fixed magazine" it is no longer classified as an assault weapon, no matter what features are on it, and therefor does not require registration. All parts are manufactured in the USA by DD's Ranch, LLC.
▪MADE IN THE USA
▪DIRECT REPLACMENT FOR THE EXISTING MAGAZINE RELEASE
But it appears to just just screws in just like the regular mag catch so why the drilling on his part?
On a side note in the same section he goes on about using an 80% lower to get around NY laws in a way that adds tin foil to my hat.
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Okay, think I have my answer
Requires that you must epoxy over the screw head once installed.
https://www.compmag.net/dds-ranch-ar-15-magazine-lock-for-new-york/
Same product at a different site with the exact same description except they left out the epoxy part at the first one for some reason.
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I didn't see if this was discussed yet, but he chose the AR "for the controversy".
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/tops-markets-shooter-chose-ar-15-to-stoke-controversy/article_28ed09a0-d54f-11ec-841c-6f77fed17035.html
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Ostensibly, the shooter wrote the names of the Waukesha victims on his rifle:
https://twitter.com/empowerfy/status/1525607777581813760
(might want to take the above with a grain of NaCl for now)
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1526317991473946632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1526317991473946632%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fur7aak%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
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NY Gov is acting
Microstamping
Ban AOWs
Mandating state police file an extreme risk protection order for firearms confiscation for anyone they believe is a danger to themself or others.
Requiring New York law enforcement agencies to report recovered crime guns to state authorities within 24 hours for testing and tracing.
Al Sharpeton
Not a single thing that would have effected the shooting
BREAKING: Governor Hochul Announces Push to Mandate Microstamping in New York
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-governor-hochul-announces-push-to-mandate-microstamping-in-new-york/
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Yeah, this guy was totally stable. It was definitely the fault of his guns:
"When I came home at ~10:30 I was eating pizza bites when I hard my cat Paige scream from the garage," Gendron wrote. "I quickly enter and the gray cat was attacking her. I then spent the next hour and a half chasing the cat around the garage and stabbing it with my knife (the camo one)."
Gendron took detailed notes of the killing and wrote details such as how many times the cat's neck was slashed until its head was detached from the body, and added that he felt no emotions afterwards.
"It bled from the mouth at about 11:00 and at about 11:45 I was able to grab the cats tail and wind up and smack the cats head on the concrete ground," he wrote. "I did that a few times and when it went limp I grabber [sic] a hatchet and swung at its neck ~20 times until it came off."
Bonus material in the story. Why would anyone who doesn't hunt own a gun, let alone three?
The neighbor went on to say that he didn't know that the family had guns.
"I didn’t even know he had guns," the said. "They're not hunters or anything. And that's why it was strange to hear he had three."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-mass-shooting-suspect-wore-hazmat-suit
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Side story:
Buffalo 911 Dispatcher Accused of Hanging Up On Worker Hiding During Mass Shooting Faces Firing
https://www.dailywire.com/news/buffalo-911-dispatcher-accused-of-hanging-up-on-worker-hiding-during-mass-shooting-faces-firing
“She was yelling at me, saying, ‘Why are you whispering? You don’t have to whisper,'” the employee, identified as Latisha, an assistant office manager at the market, told the newspaper. “And I was telling her, ‘Ma’am, he’s still in the store. He’s shooting. I’m scared for my life. I don’t want him to hear me. Can you please send help?’ She got mad at me, hung up in my face.”
We will see if this turns out to be true. How much do they pay 911 operators?
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Yeah, this guy was totally stable. It was definitely the fault of his guns:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-mass-shooting-suspect-wore-hazmat-suit
Just your typical far right wing white supremacist, Fox News watcher, anti women's rights, immigrant hating, Trump supporting, gun owner
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^^^Anyone who could do that to a cat, or any other animal needs to be dealt with.
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^^^Anyone who could do that to a cat, or any other animal needs to be dealt with.
Agree 100%.
He was living at home. It was 10:30PM. I have to ask where the parents were when he was performing this hour long torture.
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^^^Anyone who could do that to a cat, or any other animal needs to be dealt with.
IIRC, another parallel to the Parkland shooter. Didn't he also have a history of animal abuse?
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IIRC, another parallel to the Parkland shooter. Didn't he also have a history of animal abuse?
Yep
Florida high school shooter bragged about killing animals
https://blog.humanesociety.org/2018/02/florida-high-school-shooter-bragged-killing-animals.html
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I the media would stop giving these sick bastards airtime, we would have less of them killing people. These aholes want to get famous and have their stupid manifestos read by millions and the media obliges them. :mad:
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I the media would stop giving these sick bastards airtime, we would have less of them killing people. These aholes want to get famous and have their stupid manifestos read by millions and the media obliges them. :mad:
I wish I could believe they do that only for the immediate ratings; not because they want to encourage more mass killings.
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I wish I could believe they do that only for the immediate ratings; not because they want to encourage more mass killings.
To a garbage man garbage is job security
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Edited my above statement to reflect what I was actually thinking, instead of that dog's breakfast that came out at first.
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He was brought in for a mental evaluation. What happened? The story stops there. Obviously, he wasn’t mentally adjudicated. He passed a background check. So, what gives? Well, apparently, threatening to shoot up your shoot or kill yourself isn’t enough to be declared mentally unwell in New York (via WSJ):
Oh, So That's Why the Buffalo Shooter Wasn't Deemed Mentally Unfit
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/05/20/oh-so-thats-why-the-buffalo-shooter-wasnt-deemed-mentally-unfit-n2607534
:facepalm:
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Related: The rapper who shot a NY cop has been set free. No real explanation not to prosecute seems to have been given. I note that he was a felon on probation in possession of a firearm when he shot the cop, and they are not even prosecuting that gun crime, yet screaming for new gun laws related to Buffalo.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/rapper-accused-shooting-police-officer-charges-dropped-new-york
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Related: The rapper who shot a NY cop has been set free. No real explanation not to prosecute seems to have been given. I note that he was a felon on probation in possession of a firearm when he shot the cop, and they are not even prosecuting that gun crime, yet screaming for new gun laws related to Buffalo.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/rapper-accused-shooting-police-officer-charges-dropped-new-york
gawd, I have to stop clicking on fox news, I often have a video playing that I am listening to, and fox news always has to blast the same annoying ad for "viking cruises" or something similar .... so this guy killed a cat??
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Now if that ain't some kind of Bull Scat.
Won't enforce the current laws, but let's make some new laws we'll only enforce when we want to.
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From the article, it looks like he shot himself through the thigh and the bullet then hit the officer. I don't know if he intended to shoot the officer and messed up or if it was just an bad shoot.
I would have expected him to at least be detained for the parole violation. I bet most jurisdictions would prosecute him for something.
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Appears they're looking at getting a lawsuit going over the Bushmaster used.
Sound familiar?
Remington gun maker may face lawsuit following Buffalo mass shooting
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/remington-buffalo-mass-shooting-lawsuit-potential/85-871e979e-291e-4913-ad34-e5c087a1eb71
Remington May Get Sued AGAIN!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwU2oB6wcU
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The last case was about advertising. I don't think that will fly on this one and shouldn't have on the last one since the kid didn't buy the rifle he murdered his mom and stole it.
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The last case was about advertising. I don't think that will fly on this one and shouldn't have on the last one since the kid didn't buy the rifle he murdered his mom and stole it.
That presumes our judges care about the rule of law. They clearly do not.
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That presumes our judges care about the rule of law. They clearly do not.
Without doxing myself, I was in our county justice center today on a service call, and the judge's office in question had a no *expletive deleted*it decals on the wall quote of "do justice first and the law will follow".
Lucky us.
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Retired Federal Agent Was in Regular Communication with Buffalo Shooter and May Have Had Advance Notice of Gendron’s Plans to Murder Black People
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/retired-federal-agent-regular-communication-buffalo-shooter-may-advance-notice-gendrons-plans-murder-black-people/
According to Buffalo News, individuals in the online chat room – which possibly included the retired federal agent – asked Payton Gendron to read his mass shooting plans 30 minutes before the attack.
The two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation stated these individuals were invited by Gendron to read about his mass shooting plans and the target location about 30 minutes before Gendron killed 10 people at Tops Markets on Jefferson Avenue on May 14.
“These were like-minded people who used this chat group to talk about their shared interests in racial hatred, replacement theory and hatred of anyone who is Jewish, a person of color or not of European ancestry,” said one of the two law enforcement officials with close knowledge of the investigation. “What is especially upsetting is that these six people received advanced notice of the Buffalo shooting, about 30 minutes before it happened.
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Baffalo News version:
Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
The New York Times reported May 17 that Gendron invited a small group of people into a private chat room on the messaging platform Discord to review his plan about 30 minutes before the massacre at Tops. The Washington Post reported two days later that 15 people accepted Gendron's invitation into the Discord chat room and were able to review his plan and watch his live stream video as he committed the killings.
In the diary, Gendron indicates Sandman counseled him on manufacturers of AR-15 semi-automatic rifles and their quality. The shooter purchased and allegedly used that type of assault rifle in the rampage, which local authorities have said was fueled by his racial hatred.
Salty Cracker did a video about this. I admit it does fuel the conspiracy theory that the kid was groomed to do this. I wonder if we will find out who the others are or if they will committ suicide or something.
This article also referenced a NYT link that I can't read.
Before Massacre Began, Suspect Invited Others to Review His Plan
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/nyregion/buffalo-shooting-discord-chat-plans.html
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In other related news an Obama appointed Fed Judge clears the way for NY to sue gun manufacturers
A federal judge Wednesday dismissed a lawsuit from gun industry groups challenging a New York law that permits civil lawsuits against companies for conduct found to have endangered public safety.
The judge concluded that the New York law did not preempt a 2005 federal law limiting the liability gun manufacturers and dealers can face. Citing an appellate court opinion in a separate case, D'Agostino said the New York law fit within an exception laid out in the federal statute.
Judge tosses challenge to New York law that opens gun industry up to civil lawsuits
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics/new-york-civil-liability-law-ruling/index.html
Federal Judge Clears Way For Lawsuits Against Firearms Manufacturers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa99xtmvpOE
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Going to be massive pressure on Discord to woke up.
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Must be 21 to buy a semi-auto rifle. Bill now headed to Gov's desk where she will no doubt sign.
Bills up for vote include bills requiring microstamping on all new guns and restrictions on body armor
NY Legislature Votes to Raise Age to Buy Semi-Auto Rifles, More Gun Control Bills to Come
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ny-legislature-votes-to-raise-age-to-buy-semi-auto-rifles-more-gun-control-to-come/
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Yup, looks to be a done deal:
https://youtu.be/cIoXVHnsk_A
ALL semi-autos, not just the "evil black ones". Also licensing requirements.
Also body armor for civilians (Hey - aren't cops civilians?).
On the miocrostamping, that is why handguns are disappearing in California. All newly submitted handguns to their "safe handgun" roster have to be microstamped. Since the technology doesn't exist, no new models of handguns can be sold in California.
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Yeah, overlooked the licensing part.
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Also in that video I linked, the MSM pushed the pro gun side as people upset because these laws will be "an inconvenience". Nevermind those pesky constitutional rights.
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According to sources I've just now looked up, while on my lunch break, most of those who perpetrate mass shootings at schools are younger than 18 - so are they allowed to have rifles at all? I don't know how much that varies by state, but they certainly can't buy rifles at that age.
The average age of a mass shooter is supposedly 33. (not limited to school shootings)
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/05/27/fact-check-most-mass-shooters-ages-18-19-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-robb-elementary/9933032002/
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/
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According to sources I've just now looked up, while on my lunch break, most of those who perpetrate mass shootings at schools are younger than 18 - so are they allowed to have rifles at all? I don't know how much that varies by state, but they certainly can't buy rifles at that age.
The average age of a mass shooter is supposedly 33. (not limited to school shootings)
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/05/27/fact-check-most-mass-shooters-ages-18-19-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-robb-elementary/9933032002/
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/
The shooter in Santa Fe, TX took the gun from his Dad. I was thinking the Columbine shooters got them from some guy they knew, but I might be wrong on that.
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The shooter in Santa Fe, TX took the gun from his Dad. I was thinking the Columbine shooters got them from some guy they knew, but I might be wrong on that.
There should definitely be a background check before you steal a gun, or buy it on the black market. A double-background-check, if you murder a parent to get the gun.
Can we send out the AK guy with another petition? This one to propose background check requirements for all illegal or black-market sales.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marysville_Pilchuck_High_School_shooting
In the mass school shooting a few miles from me back in 2014, the perpetrator stole the guns from his Dad's gun safe. Dad was a prohibited person, by the way.
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Update
The judge named each victim and asked the gunman if he had killed them because of their race. He showed little emotion as he said "yes" to each charge.
The charges include first-degree murder, murder as a hate crime, and domestic terrorism motivated by hate.
The gunman is also facing multiple federal charges over the 14 May shooting which could be punished with the death penalty.
Buffalo shooting: Gunman pleads guilty to murder and terrorism charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63786445
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Update
Buffalo shooting: Gunman pleads guilty to murder and terrorism charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63786445
Good. He plead guilty. Now walk him to the closest ditch and put a .22 in his brain stem.
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AR was equipped with a magazine lock that fixed the mag to the rifle thus making it NY legal. Well apparently since the lock could be drilled out with a drill, and the shooter did, the AG is suing the lock's manufacture.
Give someone a hammer and drill anything can be removed. But guess that doesn't matter to the AG
The lawsuit alleges that the company deceptively and falsely advertises that installing an MA Lock on a weapon makes it legal in New York, thereby aiding and abetting the illegal possession of assault weapons in New York. Through her lawsuit, Attorney General James seeks to stop Mean Arms from doing business in New York and to require the company to pay restitution, damages, and civil penalties for its illegal practices that violated state laws and caused irreparable harm.
Give someone a hammer and drill anything can be removed. But guess that doesn't matter to the AG when political points need to be made.
New York AG Sues Mean Arms for Selling a Magazine Lock That Can Be Removed With a Drill
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-york-ag-sues-mean-arms-for-selling-a-magazine-lock-that-can-be-removed-with-a-drill/
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So their "assault weapons" law doesn't work - shouldn't the AG be going after the fraudsters that claimed it would reduce crime?
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Suing Facebook, Amazon, and Google among others.
Going after the deep pockets blaming everyone but the shooter.
Tech and social media giants like Facebook, Amazon and Google bear responsibility for radicalizing the Buffalo supermarket shooter, who was fueled by racist conspiracy theories he encountered online, the victim’s relatives said in a lawsuit filed Wednesday.
“They were the conspirators, even if they don’t want to admit it,” civil rights attorney Ben Crump said at a news conference announcing a 171-page lawsuit, which seeks unspecified financial damages as well as changes in how the companies operate.
The suit names several online platforms including Facebook’s parent company Meta, Instagram, Google, Discord and Amazon — which owns Twitch, the livestreaming platform the shooter used to broadcast last year’s shooting. The suit also names RMA Armament, the maker of the gunman’s body armor, as well as the firearms retailers that sold him weapons.
Buffalo attorney Terrence Connors, who along with Crump represents the families, said the legal team has thoroughly examined “the entire line of the gun distribution, the manufacturers of the body armor, the high capacity magazines that are plainly illegal,” as well as not social media platforms.
“What we found was downright scary,” he said.
“There were many people who helped him load that gun,” Crump said. “And it is our objective to make sure that everybody that loaded that gun is held to account.”
Lawsuit by Buffalo supermarket shooting victims pins blame on Facebook, Amazon and other tech giants
https://apnews.com/article/tops-supermarket-mass-shooting-meta-gendron-buffalo-cbb53152b949e9b05a4f023ae252a5d2
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I am surprised they aren't going after the individuals (including the Fed) who were talking to him. Maybe they didn't actually say much.
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I am surprised they aren't going after the individuals (including the Fed) who were talking to him. Maybe they didn't actually say much.
No money in suing them
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“There were many people who helped him load that gun,” Crump said. “And it is our objective to make sure that everybody that loaded that gun is held to account.”
It almost sounds like he is validating the conspiracy theorists if you forget the context.
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Suing Facebook, Amazon, and Google among others.
Going after the deep pockets blaming everyone but the shooter.
Lawsuit by Buffalo supermarket shooting victims pins blame on Facebook, Amazon and other tech giants
https://apnews.com/article/tops-supermarket-mass-shooting-meta-gendron-buffalo-cbb53152b949e9b05a4f023ae252a5d2
More lawsuits flying
YouTube, Reddit and a body armor manufacturer were among the businesses that helped enable the gunman who killed 10 Black people in a racist attack at a Buffalo, New York, supermarket, according to a pair of lawsuits announced Wednesday.
The complementary lawsuits filed by Everytown Law in state court in Buffalo claim that the massacre at Tops supermarket in May 2022 was made possible by a host of companies and individuals, from tech giants to a local gun shop to the gunman’s parents. The suits were filed Tuesday on behalf of the son of a 65-year-old victim and a group of survivors who say they’re still traumatized more than a year later. Everytown Law is the litigation arm of Everytown for Gun Safety Support Fund.
The lawsuits accuse the defendants of helping provide motivation, equipment or knowledge to the gunman.
Be curious to see how YT reacts.
So basically they're trying to sue everyone that hosts or provides information on guns and equipment.
YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead
https://fortune.com/2023/08/16/youtube-reddit-buffalo-shooting-lawsuit/
WOW! Everytown Suing YouTube and Reddit?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCKuJwIdXbc