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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on May 24, 2022, 04:17:21 PM
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Reports are still coming in
Bill Melugin
@BillFOXLA
There has been a shooting at Robb Elementary school in Uvalde, TX.
@TxDPS and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin tell me one person has been shot and the shooter ran to the school. DPS says the shooter is still barricaded inside the school right now. @FoxNews
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/24/multiple-fatalities-reported-after-mass-shooting-at-texas-elementary-school/
The Texas Department of Public Safety and Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that one person has been shot and the shooter – who ran to Robb Elementary School – had become barricaded inside. Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that two people were brought to the hospital deceased.
Uvalde, Texas school shooting: 2 dead, multiple children hospitalized
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter
Here we *expletive deleted*ing go again
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Alright
Maybe? Shooting happened a block away from the school then the shooter ran to the school
Photos from our @FoxNews photographer at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX.
Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin tells me the shooting happened a block away from the school, then shooter ran to school. He and DPS tell me one person shot. Awaiting further info.
But
ABC News
@ABC
BREAKING: At least two children are dead and over a dozen injured after an "active shooter" incident at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, according to hospital officials.
Info is a confused mess so far
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Governor confirms fifteen dead - 1 teacher and 14 students.
Shooter identified as Salvador Ramos, an 18 year old high school student, also dead. Presumed killed by responding officers.
https://www.kcbd.com/2022/05/24/texas-school-district-locked-down-amid-reports-shooter/?fbclid=IwAR2zMg12P3wKjCtRTvuIWyVpkyZqCZOKrvgfvCXb_EnLQc4fThvaC17raSo
All I can find is speculation that shooter was armed with a handgun and possibly a rifle. No confirmation otherwise.
Being reported that he also shot his grandmother before going to the school.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951&cid=social_twitter_abcnp&fbclid=IwAR140b9RkGWQtbyBefCRFW-wmFNhRtzDnVACAfwHukB7PtNIPp_p3Pcsbzk
Brad
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I need a drink
or two
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From https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10850557/Active-shooter-loose-Texas-elementary-school-campus-plunged-lockdown.html
Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin told Fox News that shots were fired offsite and that after shooting one person the gunman ran to the school where he remained barricaded.
This is classic "Gun Free Zone" mentality and response. This needs to be the talking point. GFZ's attract crazies. He knew he had instant hostages and no one would be armed to contest him.
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Biden is making a statement in a few hours.
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Wait, what?
WHAT? Former DHS official wants Biden to suspend immigration enforcement in wake of school shooting
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/24/what-former-dhs-official-wants-biden-to-suspend-immigration-enforcement-in-wake-of-school-shooting/
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How about we start by fixing the mental health system?
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Is he "legal", in any way you want to take that?
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I’m sure that like every other *expletive deleted*ing mass shooter there will have been a ton of warning signs and run ins with law enforcement that were completely ignored.
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Is he "legal", in any way you want to take that?
My first question when I saw his name.
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I’m sure that like every other *expletive deleted*ing mass shooter there will have been a ton of warning signs and run ins with law enforcement that were completely ignored.
Something about this one seems different. He was engaged in gunfire with Border Patrol and supposedly ran into the school, seeking either shelter or hostages.
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Is he "legal", in any way you want to take that?
https://heavy.com/news/salvador-ramos/
The suspect is/was a U.S. citizen according to Governor Abbott.
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Countdown to Bud's website crashing
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https://heavy.com/news/salvador-ramos/
The suspect is/was a U.S. citizen according to Governor Abbott.
ARs and standard cap mags. Even if he used something else, he has a connection to those, so that's what will be focused on.
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Just heard 21 dead
18 children, 3 adults
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https://heavy.com/news/salvador-ramos/
The suspect is/was a U.S. citizen according to Governor Abbott.
One of those looks like a Daniel Defense DDM4. Not cheap
The other MAY be a BCM* also not cheap.
*Could be a Springfield Saint. They use a similar handguard
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This now makes two mass shooting by 18 year olds right after the dems made a stink over 18 year olds buying guns.
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Wait, what?
WHAT? Former DHS official wants Biden to suspend immigration enforcement in wake of school shooting
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/24/what-former-dhs-official-wants-biden-to-suspend-immigration-enforcement-in-wake-of-school-shooting/
Any excuse to push the agenda.
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JHFC
Texas is trying to force women to birth children just so they can be shot in school. Regulate uteruses but deregulate guns. Process that and make it make sense. #Uvalde #TXmassshooting #children
— Lucy Flores (@LucyFlores) May 24, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/24/blue-checks-texas-forcing-women-to-give-birth-just-so-their-children-can-be-shot-at-school/
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This now makes two mass shooting by 18 year olds right after the dems made a stink over 18 year olds buying guns.
A few years ago I was very skeptical about the possibility of the left being capable of engineering these types of atrocities. I am far less skeptical now.
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I fully expect a 94 on steroids bill to be introduced within the next day or two
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A few years ago I was very skeptical about the possibility of the left being capable of engineering these types of atrocities. I am far less skeptical now.
There are photos that suggest the scumbag was LGBTQ and a tranny. The photos appear to come from his facebook/instagram account. Nothing confirmed yet.
Bad info.
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Just watched Biden's talk. Used his wagging finger grandpa is scolding you tone through the whole thing with the voice raising, etc.
Deer don't wear kevlar vests.
18 year olds shouldn't buy assault rifles.
Assault rifles should be banned.
Assault rifle bans work. Shootings tripled since "his" AWB expired.
It's all the gun lobby.
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A few years ago I was very skeptical about the possibility of the left being capable of engineering these types of atrocities. I am far less skeptical now.
(https://i.ibb.co/c2FXWBF/E9-BDC65-A-6-ED4-451-D-AC24-9-A8-A50-F9-B30-E.jpg)
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Oh, also, "body armor" again.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting/index.html
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Just say the kids were aborted. Dems would probably then stand up and cheer
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I'm going to hold off on further commentary for now, but I really feel for the folks who's lives are turned upside down by these murders. =( I hope that the families impacted by this event are able to get the support they need to work thorough this and pick up the shattered pieces of their lives.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eejjbgbMOc8
Supposedly, the perp was angry about not graduating high school, and shot his grandmother before going to the elementary school.
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Was nutjob a member of a protected class? If so, may be off the news fast...
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Was nutjob a member of a protected class? If so, may be off the news fast...
Don't think the dems are going to let this one go and will push control bills while emotions are high
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I fully expect a 94 on steroids bill to be introduced within the next day or two
They introduce that every year. Remains to be seen if it gets some traction this session.
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They introduce that every year. Remains to be seen if it gets some traction this session.
Aware
But emotions haven't been this high since Sandy Hook and they may go for broke with the mid terms coming up
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There are photos that suggest the scumbag was LGBTQ and a tranny. The photos appear to come from his facebook/instagram account. Nothing confirmed yet.
Different person, at least according to Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/user/Apprehensive_Ad_995/comments/ux4vg2/its_not_me_i_dont_even_live_in_texas/
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Was nutjob a member of a protected class? If so, may be off the news fast...
Some pictures floating around that appear to be the shooter flying a trans flag. Who know if they’re right or not at this point. But if the shooter was LGBTWTFBBQ they’ll memory hole this by tomorrow morning.
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Death toll now stands at
19 children
2 Teachers
:'(
I'm not seeing any more mention of the "grandmother". False info?
Oh and 1 POS found on the floor
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Different person, at least according to Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/user/Apprehensive_Ad_995/comments/ux4vg2/its_not_me_i_dont_even_live_in_texas/
Yes, you're right.
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I don't pay much attention to the NRA these days, but just saw that the annual meeting is this weekend in Houston. I'm guessing protests.
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Okay, grandmother mentioned again but for some reason some accounts keep leaving her out of the death toll. I guess the MSM is laser focus on the school.
Plus they say he crashed a vehicle while fleeing the first scene and he then ran into the school. Photo of the pickup at the link. Whether or not he originally intended on doing what he did at the school is still an open question. It appears all the school dead where in the one room where he barricaded himself.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-police-response-salvador-ramos
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Up in this neck of the woods, all the school districts have all exterior doors locked from the outside, and you can only enter after buzzing at the front entrance. I am less than pleased that for the past couple of years as my wife has taught 5th grade remotely, she sits in a portable with three other teachers, and the door to the portable is not locked. Anyone can walk in at any time.
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Looks like the concrete ditch? his truck is stuck in runs right next to the school grounds.
https://www.google.com/maps/search/Robb+Elementary/@29.1988861,-99.7898741,300m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e4
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1996628,-99.7906393,3a,85.4y,131.07h,100.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM-4H3sluo-d_TELqMbXLFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e4
Couldn't help but notice the unusal layout of the school
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Some more info on the shooter. He cut up his own face "for fun". Also supposedly dirt poor but had a vehicle and money for two not low end ARs.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/dana-loesch-asks-six-questions-that-every-politician-should-be-asking-after-the-uvalde-massacre/
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Some more info on the shooter. He cut up his own face "for fun". Also supposedly dirt poor but had a vehicle and money for two not low end ARs.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/dana-loesch-asks-six-questions-that-every-politician-should-be-asking-after-the-uvalde-massacre/
From the link:
Texas school shooter was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say
How many kids in school are not bullied at some point?
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Some more info on the shooter. He cut up his own face "for fun". Also supposedly dirt poor but had a vehicle and money for two not low end ARs.
Wow. Psychopath much?
Brad
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From 2019:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/06/748767807/mass-shootings-can-be-contagious-research-shows
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Some more info on the shooter. He cut up his own face "for fun". Also supposedly dirt poor but had a vehicle and money for two not low end ARs.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/dana-loesch-asks-six-questions-that-every-politician-should-be-asking-after-the-uvalde-massacre/
No warning signs there, none
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I've seen some stories say he was being chased after shooting his grandmother other saying he wasn't.
If he wasn't being chased why was was he apparently driving in the concrete ditch?
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Hold the phone
SURPRISED? Chuck Schumer signals no vote on guns and lib blue-checks are PISSED
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/surprised-chuck-schumer-signals-no-vote-on-guns-and-lib-blue-checks-are-pissed/
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According to this he was wearing a plate carrier but no actual armor.
Doubt that makes any different to the MSM and pols though
Jeremy Rogalski
@JRogalskiKHOU
Replying to @JRogalskiKHOU
After inspecting the decease suspect's clothing, Ramos was not wearing body armor but only a plate carrier with not ballistic armor inside, per the law enforcement briefing to state senators. 3/4 #KHOU11
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/khou-11-in-houston-the-uvalde-gunman-was-not-wearing-body-armor/
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Hold the phone
SURPRISED? Chuck Schumer signals no vote on guns and lib blue-checks are PISSED
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/surprised-chuck-schumer-signals-no-vote-on-guns-and-lib-blue-checks-are-pissed/
It is always a bit amazing to me to see people who really think that some new legislation would have stopped a crime. Especially when none of them know how the kid acquired the guns or whether he would have passed a background check (probably would).
I heard on the radio that the kid bought the two rifles, apparently legally with a NICS check. That would mean that new bill wouldn't have accomplished anything accept more bureaucracy.
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It would also be interesting if these people would focus on finding out why these people are deciding to murder people instead of blaming the guns, but I guess that isn't politically convenient.
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According to this he was wearing a plate carrier but no actual armor.
Doubt that makes any different to the MSM and pols though
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/khou-11-in-houston-the-uvalde-gunman-was-not-wearing-body-armor/
So according to that, he legally bought the rifles. One rifle was with him when he died. Has anyone heard if the rifle was used in the murders? I sort of assume so, but I guess that will come out in time.
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It is always a bit amazing to me to see people who really think that some new legislation would have stopped a crime. Especially when none of them know how the kid acquired the guns or whether he would have passed a background check (probably would).
I heard on the radio that the kid bought the two rifles, apparently legally with a NICS check. That would mean that new bill wouldn't have accomplished anything accept more bureaucracy.
Look at the new laws the NY gov proposed after Buffalo. Not a single one would have had any effect.
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It would also be interesting if these people would focus on finding out why these people are deciding to murder people instead of blaming the guns, but I guess that isn't politically convenient.
My thoughts too.
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So according to that, he legally bought the rifles. One rifle was with him when he died. Has anyone heard if the rifle was used in the murders? I sort of assume so, but I guess that will come out in time.
I would find it hard to believe he went through all the trouble of bringing it and would then use only a handgun. But who knows what goes through the mind of someone like this?
Guess I was right on the DD id. Cue DD getting sued.
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I would find it hard to believe he went through all the trouble of bringing it and would then use only a handgun. But who knows what goes through the mind of someone like this?
Guess I was right on the DD id. Cue DD getting sued.
The lawsuit would be in Texas, not in Massachusetts or Connecticut. I doubt it would get very far.
My understanding is Texas has a program of arm teachers, but most schools don't participate.
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The lawsuit would be in Texas, not in Massachusetts or Connecticut. I doubt it would get very far.
If there's one thing I've learned about the left is that they'll do everything they can to find a way
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My understanding is Texas has a program of arm teachers, but most schools don't participate.
They do, but as you pointed out many schools don't participate. The touchy-feely types can't stand the thought of it.
Brad
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The lawsuit would be in Texas, not in Massachusetts or Connecticut. I doubt it would get very far.
My understanding is Texas has a program of arm teachers, but most schools don't participate.
Bet they’d find a sympathetic judge in Austin.
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And yeah, there will be protests at the NRA meeting. Trump is attending as well.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/25/bette-midler-tells-protesters-to-come-armed-to-the-nra-annual-meeting-in-houston/
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Enter Beta O'Rourke:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/25/beto-orourke-totally-earns-the-sick-son-of-a-btch-label-when-he-interrupts-greg-abbotts-uvalde-presser-to-grandstand-and-grave-dance-video/
Sheesh. This character has literally no shame.
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Enter Beta O'Rourke:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/25/beto-orourke-totally-earns-the-sick-son-of-a-btch-label-when-he-interrupts-greg-abbotts-uvalde-presser-to-grandstand-and-grave-dance-video/
Sheesh. This character has literally no shame.
"Sick son of a bitch" is right. This "I'm not out of the governor's race yet" stunt should end his political career.
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Bet they’d find a sympathetic judge in Austin.
They might find a sympathetic trial judge, but I doubt it will make it further. The problem with the Remington lawsuit is they tried to appeal the ruling about bypassing that federal law. That appeal was rejected in state and federal court. We will see if the state appeals and SC do the same here.
Also, it seems to me the trial would need to be filed in Uvalde, not Austin, but leftists never let that stop them.
Just my guess.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSiMV21kmx4
Gov. Abbott and others did a press conference today. He walked through the basic order of events and what is known.
Beto's interruption starts around 17 min 30 sec. On this feed, you can't hear anything he said, just the people on the stage.
I do appreciate that the Gov seems to be focusing on the evil person who committed the act and potential mental health issues, not guns.
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Beto O’Rourke - Tank Man
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTn6wl3XwAA7IxQ?format=jpg&name=small)
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Appears the school was the target and not just an incidental one
Tom Winter
@Tom_Winter
NEW: Texas Gov. Abbott says the shooter's grandmother called police after being shot in the face.
The shooter may have a juvenile record, he says.
He also posted on Facebook saying, "I am going to shoot an elementary school" just 15 minutes before the shooting, Abbott says.
Tom Winter
@Tom_Winter
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@Tom_Winter
Gov. Abbott also says that he posted on Facebook "I'm going to shoot my grandmother", then he posted "I shot my grandmother", then he posted "I am going to shoot an elementary school" just 15 minutes before the shooting.
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1529518182695936000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529518182695936000%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2022%2F05%2F25%2Fhe-was-still-able-to-enter-the-school-heres-the-latest-on-what-we-know-about-the-uvalde-school-shooting%2F
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So I guess if O'Rourke wasn't running in Texas, no Soros types would bankroll his political adventures? Is that why he keeps trying there?
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So I guess if O'Rourke wasn't running in Texas, no Soros types would bankroll his political adventures? Is that why he keeps trying there?
I think he had a lot of money left over from the Senate run a few years ago. Running for something lets him spend it.
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I think he had a lot of money left over from the Senate run a few years ago. Running for something lets him spend it.
Yeah, but why not spend it someplace he could win? California, etc. I'm guessing his backers will only sign on if he can cause trouble in a red state.
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Deep Thoughts(tm) from the Bulwark:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/25/bulwark-republicans-who-accuse-liberals-of-defunding-police-are-abetting-crime-and-undermining-law-and-order/
Some principled conservativeâ„¢ from The Bulwark had to weigh in on the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas, and that task fell to Will Saletan, who of course wants “pro-gun extremists” — i.e., Republicans who believe in the Second Amendment — to lose their seats in Congress.
They sound like Bill Kristol's fellow travelers. Or perhaps the Lincoln Project.
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Death toll now stands at
19 children
2 Teachers
:'(
I'm not seeing any more mention of the "grandmother". False info?
The grandmother was shot, but not killed.
I haven't found any other information on how many others may have been wounded. Possibly none -- it appears all the dead were shot in the same classroom where the SWAT rangers eventually killed the perp.
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USA Today doing kind of a hit job on Daniel Defense:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2022/05/25/guns-used-uvalde-shooting-prompt-outcry-could-lead-lawsuits/9929998002/
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How about we start by fixing the mental health system?
Agreed 100%.
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The grandmother was shot, but not killed.
I haven't found any other information on how many others may have been wounded. Possibly none -- it appears all the dead were shot in the same classroom where the SWAT rangers eventually killed the perp.
First time I recall seeing the GM was wounded.
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Although I spoke on the mental health system above, we all remember that not every mass murderer has mental illness.
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Deep Thoughts(tm) from the Bulwark:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/25/bulwark-republicans-who-accuse-liberals-of-defunding-police-are-abetting-crime-and-undermining-law-and-order/
They sound like Bill Kristol's fellow travelers. Or perhaps the Lincoln Project.
The former. I think they're not full-on Democrats like the LP, but definitely anti-Trump, "principled conservatives." I think the Bulwark came about after the collapse of the American Spectator.
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Deep Thoughts(tm) from the Bulwark:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/25/bulwark-republicans-who-accuse-liberals-of-defunding-police-are-abetting-crime-and-undermining-law-and-order/
They sound like Bill Kristol's fellow travelers. Or perhaps the Lincoln Project.
To top that
Republican complicity in school shootings is part of a larger political design to discredit the public sphere and get Americans to divest from the institutions of democracy, starting with schools. I was about to tweet about this but the Federalist makes the point for me ⬇️ https://t.co/1NLvO80Xoc
— Ruth Ben-Ghiat (@ruthbenghiat) May 25, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/25/hot-take-republicans-are-complicit-in-school-shootings-to-discredit-institutions-of-democracy-like-public-schools/
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Although I spoke on the mental health system above, we all remember that not every mass murderer has mental illness.
Ummm ... you might want to rephrase that. They might not have been diagnosed with a mental illness, but killing large numbers of other people isn't exactly sane.
But you are in good (?) company:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uvalde-grieves-after-school-rampage-while-new-details-emerge-about-attack/ar-AAXJn8c?ocid=uxbndlbing
Abbott, an avowed supporter of gun rights, emphasized mental health in his remarks Wednesday. He said law enforcement officials, community leaders and others told him that there was “a problem with mental health illness in this community” and a significant need for more support on that front.
Despite public perception and misleading commentary from many elected officials, decades of research have found that people with mental illness are responsible for a tiny fraction of interpersonal and other gun violence.
Sure -- most mass murderers are totally sane. :facepalm:
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Has any media outlet posted the surveillance video that purportedly showed the perp entering the school? I want to know how he entered the building in the first place. I'm going to make a SWAG that the doors were open and that he just walked in -- which should be the very first thing anybody who wants to stop "these kinds of events" from happening should focus on. Too many administrators, boards of education, and architects pay lip service to school security but don't really want to do anything serious about putting it in place and making it work.
Yes, I have real-life, first hand experience dealing with the insanity of those folks.
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Here's a wild thought: All these angsty shooters are a symptom of square pegs being shoved into round holes. Weirdos that for whatever reason, never fit in anywhere or developed synergy or compassion or common identity with someone well enough to stave off nihilism. The nihilism grows until it's too much to bear, and we get a mass shooter or a suicide or some other horrible event.
Maybe that's NOT mental illness.
Maybe that's a symptom of a shitty institution. And the common institution between them all is public education.
The more it is homogenized and forced into a one size fits all commodity, the more you expose the atypical student to repeated atypical responses to those stimuli.
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Sure -- most mass murderers are totally sane. :facepalm:
Not my field of expertise, but I would draw a distinction between insane and evil.
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Ummm ... you might want to rephrase that. They might not have been diagnosed with a mental illness, but killing large numbers of other people isn't exactly sane.
But you are in good (?) company:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uvalde-grieves-after-school-rampage-while-new-details-emerge-about-attack/ar-AAXJn8c?ocid=uxbndlbing
Sure -- most mass murderers are totally sane. :facepalm:
Isn't mass murder a tiny fraction of interpersonal violence? They report that particular fact in a way that implies it contradicts Abbott. Cuz they're liars.
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Not my field of expertise, but I would draw a distinction between insane and evil.
One can be both. Our thinking on this is muddled, partly because we want to be nice to Muslims. It's become common to insist that sane Muslims want peace, and only the insane would embrace violence. But ideologically-driven violence is not necessarily insane.
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As details leak out, this is beginning to look/sound like Parkland all over again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855093/Furious-father-Texas-school-shooting-victim-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
Once again, apparently the first police to arrive failed to take decisive action. The shooter was finally taken out by a BORDER PATROL tactical team. Until then:
Unable to drive, he crashed into a ditch and then ran to the school on foot, where he was met by an armed security guard.
Yet he was still able to enter the school
How the [bleep] did he get into the school past an armed security guard?
Steve McCraw, director of the Texas department of public safety (DPS), said on Wednesday that a 'brave' school resource officer 'approached him' and 'engaged him' - but added that 'gunfire was not exchanged.'
He did not explain why.
The New York Times reported that their sources said at least one armed law enforcement officer from the Uvalde school district was at the school, and that officer exchanged gunfire with the gunman, but the gunman was able to get past.
Similarities to Parkland:
- The school had armed security, but the shooter got in anyway
- The first cops on the scene didn't enter the building
- The cops who entered the building first weren't from the jurisdiction
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There sure seems to be a lot of new information coming out. Looks like it will be a while before we can separate wheat from chaff. I saw this just now:
Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.
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https://www.newsweek.com/uvalde-suspect-salvador-ramos-trans-claimswhat-we-do-know-what-we-dont-1709950
The original posts and tweets from various conservative groups have been walked back.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/daniel-defensethe-maker-of-the-uvalde-shooters-perfect-rifleabruptly-exits-the-nra-convention
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/daniel-defensethe-maker-of-the-uvalde-shooters-perfect-rifleabruptly-exits-the-nra-convention
I want to know how a high school student from a supposedly less-than-affluent family could afford a couple of weapons, much less a DD rifle. Also, how and where did he get them, especially since the reports I've heard said neither his parents nor his grandparents had knowledge of them.
Brad
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https://www.newsweek.com/uvalde-suspect-salvador-ramos-trans-claimswhat-we-do-know-what-we-dont-1709950
While I don't dispute much of what is stated in the article my eyes start to glaze over when I see terms like "conspiracy media".
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/daniel-defensethe-maker-of-the-uvalde-shooters-perfect-rifleabruptly-exits-the-nra-convention
Typical Daily Beast.
Daniel Defense seems to be making the best moves they can right now. Everyone is looking to sue Ford after the drunk driver kills someone.
Tangent, but the lawsuits may end up playing into what I consider the somewhat poorly written abortion law in Texas. People are already saying that you should be able to basically sue anyone related to a gun (manufacturer, dealer, owner) similar to how that abortion law works.
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I want to know how a high school student from a supposedly less-than-affluent family could afford a couple of weapons, much less a DD rifle. Also, how and where did he get them, especially since the reports I've heard said neither his parents nor his grandparents had knowledge of them.
Brad
If you're a crazy person who's end game involves being dead in the near term, it seems reasonable that a couple credit cards would suffice.
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AR-15 = Nazi gun
Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice…. https://t.co/Pw3AwI9pbc
— Marc Fisher (@mffisher) May 26, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/26/wapo-senior-editor-reminds-us-that-the-ar-15-was-invented-for-nazi-infantrymen-in-the-late-1950s/
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Typical Daily Beast.
Daniel Defense seems to be making the best moves they can right now. Everyone is looking to sue Ford after the drunk driver kills someone.
Tangent, but the lawsuits may end up playing into what I consider the somewhat poorly written abortion law in Texas. People are already saying that you should be able to basically sue anyone related to a gun (manufacturer, dealer, owner) similar to how that abortion law works.
I had read that California was working to pass a law using that very same lawsuit model.
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AR-15 = Nazi gun
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/26/wapo-senior-editor-reminds-us-that-the-ar-15-was-invented-for-nazi-infantrymen-in-the-late-1950s/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTr89cIX0AAEF_g?format=jpg&name=small)
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And here the left had you thinking Musk was a "Far Right Wing Extremist"
Assault rifles should at minimum require a special permit, where the recipient is extremely well vetted imo
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 26, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/26/elon-musk-appears-to-conflate-ar-15s-with-assault-rifles-and-suggests-limiting-sales-of-assault-weapons-to-people-in-special-circumstances/
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And here the left had you thinking Musk was a "Far Right Wing Extremist"
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/26/elon-musk-appears-to-conflate-ar-15s-with-assault-rifles-and-suggests-limiting-sales-of-assault-weapons-to-people-in-special-circumstances/
He lacks knowledge here. He's only recently been red-pilled, so I would give him the opportunity to educate himself. Right now his knowledge base is the information he would have gleaned from his old blue news and information sources.
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He lacks knowledge here. He's only recently been red-pilled, so I would give him the opportunity to educate himself. Right now his knowledge base is the information he would have gleaned from his old blue news and information sources.
I would hope so.
But I find it somewhat humorous how he's not fitting in solidly in one camp or another but being his own man with his own opinions. Probably something that scares the left even more.
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Why can’t we re-direct the unused billions set aside from the Covid bill to schools for security enhancements? Why can’t the Department of Education stand up a security department to help standardize enhanced security measures for schools?
I’m not talking Fort Knox type security but at least some enhanced entry and manned security guidelines to reduce the risk level.
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/billions-in-covid-relief-funds-remain-unspent-by-schools-as-students-flee-public-districts-pandemic-american-rescue-plan-funding-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0kWwIddccaTTAR95Bf25XIaixwU0cyQrgm7GCDSYusBMqi_DStvfGhoMI&fs=e&s=cl
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As details leak out, this is beginning to look/sound like Parkland all over again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855093/Furious-father-Texas-school-shooting-victim-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
Once again, apparently the first police to arrive failed to take decisive action. The shooter was finally taken out by a BORDER PATROL tactical team. Until then:
How the [bleep] did he get into the school past an armed security guard?
Similarities to Parkland:
- The school had armed security, but the shooter got in anyway
- The first cops on the scene didn't enter the building
- The cops who entered the building first weren't from the jurisdiction
I am seeing that a little myself. Salty Cracker talked about this link.
Witness: Police Stood Outside the School While Mass Murderer Salvador Ramos Went on Killing Spree – Armed Police Pinned One Man to the Ground (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/watch-police-stood-outside-school-mass-murderer-salvador-ramos-went-killing-spree-armed-police-pinned-one-man-ground/
A viral video making rounds online shows anxious, angry parents pleading to the police to go inside the school while mass murderer Salvador Ramos spent more than 40 minutes inside.
I am not sure what happened, but that looks like more than enough cops to go in assuming they were not inside already. Based on the press conference yesterday, it sounded like cops were inside pretty quick.
In the press event yesterday, they mentioned that a School Resource Officer saw the man outside. I can't remember if they said he confronted him or not, but he didn't fire on the man. Didn't say why. They then said other officers pinned the guy down inside the school or fired on him enough to keep him from moving around.
That and this article makes me think of this scenario: He made it inside into one classroom. They kept him from leaving it. But he had free reign to shoot the kids and teacher that were in there. That would be pretty bad if true. Video from the school hallways would be helpful (I don't want to see classroom video). Since the murderer is dead, I hope we get video and other additional evidence faster.
It wouldn't take much to have armor or bullet proof shields that would allow them to move in relatively safely. Stuff like that could be stored in a resource officer office. Just ideas.
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Why can’t we re-direct the unused billions set aside from the Covid bill to schools for security enhancements? Why can’t the Department of Education stand up a security department to help standardize enhanced security measures for schools?
I’m not talking Fort Knox type security but at least some enhanced entry and manned security guidelines to reduce the risk level.
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/billions-in-covid-relief-funds-remain-unspent-by-schools-as-students-flee-public-districts-pandemic-american-rescue-plan-funding-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0kWwIddccaTTAR95Bf25XIaixwU0cyQrgm7GCDSYusBMqi_DStvfGhoMI&fs=e&s=cl
I don’t know if those kind of measures are really all that necessary. If half a dozen armed staff members (or parent volunteers) were present on campus daily, and all had received good quality training in how to effectively respond to active shooter incidents then within a short time frame nobody would view schools as a soft target for such attacks. That wouldn’t stop Beslan type events, or insider attacks like Bath Township, or long range shooters like the Jonesboro incident. But neither would other security like you mentioned.
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Starting watching this
He gives a breakdown of the time line of what happened. He's obviously angry at the suggestions they (the police) didn't do everything they could.
Apparently he (the shooter) just walked in.
You can skip the first two minutes
TX School Shooting Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXCn__THRE
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While I can understand the procedural need to keep crowds from rushing in as part of preventing more people from getting hurt/killed, forcibly keeping a parent away from a child in danger is a good way to get your face pushed in, especially in rural areas. Folks in those parts don't shy away from taking the law into their own hands if they feel Law Enforcement is lacking. Every agency involved is going to face some very unpleasant music and they better have damn good answers. :mad:
Brad
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But lets not forget what's more important
Barack Obama
@BarackObama
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As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.
https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1529893569452027905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529893569452027905%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2022%2F05%2F26%2Fwsj-mother-was-placed-in-handcuffs-for-attempting-to-enter-uvalde-school-to-get-her-children-during-shooting%2F
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Are we to take comfort in knowing the deceased will not grow up to become disgusting criminals, like George Floyd?
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Are we to take comfort in knowing the deceased will not grow up to become disgusting criminals, like George Floyd?
Nowadays you're suppose to be upset they've been denied the chance to be George Floyd
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Are we supposed to choose which is the greater tragedy: Mr. Floyd or the children of Uvalde? Cause I know which way I would vote.
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More and more questions and WTFs:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/26/wsj-mother-was-placed-in-handcuffs-for-attempting-to-enter-uvalde-school-to-get-her-children-during-shooting/
The handcuffed mother, after being released, apparently then evaded cops, went into the school, grabbed her kids, and went home.
Another parent was apparently tased for trying to take his kid off of a school bus to take him home.
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Of course they have to figure out a way to make it about race.
Nevermind most of the police force appears to be Hispanic
Mark Elliott
@markmobility
I hate to say this, but I can’t help wondering if the cops would have stormed that classroom if the kids were white.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/26/loser-rando-hates-to-say-this-but-he-cant-help-wondering-if-cops-would-have-done-more-if-kids-involved-in-shooting-had-been-white/
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How he was able to afford the ARs and ammo
Bought them on his 18th birthday too
SAVING UP FOR SLAUGHTER Texas school shooter made chilling boast about $4K plot to Wendy’s co-workers & quit when he’d saved enough for 2 AR-15s
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5419019/texas-school-shooter-plot-wendys-quit-saved-enough/
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Cops are in this video detaining parents, stopping parents from going in to try and save their children, while no law enforcement is doing anything more productive than "setting up a perimeter."
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961
Yes, I understand that if a bunch of lay parents go in, guns or not, into an active shooter scenario that is out of control, the potential is very high for responding officers to perceive a parent as an active shooter.
But you know what? *expletive deleted*ck that noise. Everything we've been told for the last 20+ years is that it's the duty (and best practice!) for the VERY FIRST responding officer on site to prosecute the offensive as aggressively as possible. And what do we get here? Broward Cowards.
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What I want to know for sure is if there were already cops inside near where shooter was when all this "perimeter stuff" was going on?
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Cops are in this video detaining parents, stopping parents from going in to try and save their children, while no law enforcement is doing anything more productive than "setting up a perimeter."
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961
Yes, I understand that if a bunch of lay parents go in, guns or not, into an active shooter scenario that is out of control, the potential is very high for responding officers to perceive a parent as an active shooter.
But you know what? *expletive deleted*ck that noise. Everything we've been told for the last 20+ years is that it's the duty (and best practice!) for the VERY FIRST responding officer on site to prosecute the offensive as aggressively as possible. And what do we get here? Broward Cowards.
Amen.
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I guess we will see in the coming days. I expect to see Gov Abbott and the Texas DPS peel this apart and be as up front as they can about what happened good or bad. That clip of the DPS officer correcting the record is a good start.
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https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-texas-police-spox-on-live-tv-confirmed-cops-went-in-for-their-own-kids-during-uvalde-shooting/
LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now.
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You can see where this is going.
Bet dollar to donuts there will suddenly be an issue with their FFL
Charlie Spiering
@charliespiering
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NYT reporter asking if the Biden Administration would support taking back the PPP loan of the gun business in Texas who sold shooter the guns.
Karine Jean-Pierre asks him for the name of the business
4:32 PM · May 26,
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/26/asked-about-taking-back-the-ppp-loan-to-the-gun-dealer-who-sold-the-guns-karine-jean-pierre-asks-for-the-name-of-the-business/
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I guess we will see in the coming days. I expect to see Gov Abbott and the Texas DPS peel this apart and be as up front as they can about what happened good or bad. That clip of the DPS officer correcting the record is a good start.
Poor phrasing as that is liberal code for historical revision and censorship.
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Poor phrasing as that is liberal code for historical revision and censorship.
It's also a normal phrase normal people use for perfectly good reasons.
So not poor phrasing.
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Hours after laying flowers on the gravesite of one of the slain teachers, her husband dies of a heart attack. Killed by grief.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/26/joe-garcia-irma-garcia-uvalde-texas-school-shooting/9945004002/
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Hours after laying flowers on the gravesite of one of the slain teachers, her husband dies of a heart attack. Killed by grief.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/26/joe-garcia-irma-garcia-uvalde-texas-school-shooting/9945004002/
:'(
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Hours after laying flowers on the gravesite of one of the slain teachers, her husband dies of a heart attack. Killed by grief.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/26/joe-garcia-irma-garcia-uvalde-texas-school-shooting/9945004002/
Those poor kids, really hard for them.
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Cops are in this video detaining parents, stopping parents from going in to try and save their children, while no law enforcement is doing anything more productive than "setting up a perimeter."
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961
Yes, I understand that if a bunch of lay parents go in, guns or not, into an active shooter scenario that is out of control, the potential is very high for responding officers to perceive a parent as an active shooter.
But you know what? *expletive deleted*ck that noise. Everything we've been told for the last 20+ years is that it's the duty (and best practice!) for the VERY FIRST responding officer on site to prosecute the offensive as aggressively as possible. And what do we get here? Broward Cowards.
If PARENTS are showing up and the cops haven't gone in yet, something is very, very, VERY wrong. And even the FEDS were already on site? :facepalm:
Stories like this often have inaccurate reporting - it's time to take a deep breath and wait a day or three for the REAL story to come out - and with all the people involved it WILL come out. As did the actions of the cowardly cops of Columbine and Broward County.
But if only half of what's appearing in print is based on fact, I'd say a good part of the local constabulary is less than heroic. Much less.
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Cops are in this video detaining parents, stopping parents from going in to try and save their children, while no law enforcement is doing anything more productive than "setting up a perimeter."
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961
Parkland redux ...
Where I work part-time as a building inspector, there's a retired police sergeant who works in the next office as a zoning enforcement officer. Tonight was the night town offices stay open until 7:00 to accommodate people who have day jbs, so were there but we had to customers. So we talked about Uvalde. He confirmed that ever since Columbine, police have [supposedly] been trained that in a school shooter situation -- you go in. PERIOD!
He was disgusted by the reports he had seen from Uvalde. It seems like every piece on news that gets released just makes it worse.
When I first read that it was a Border Patrol team that made the first entry and took out the shooter, I was initially cheering that at least that agency was willing to do something.
And then I learned that several Border Patrol agents had kids in that school. So this wan't a case of a federal agency (which, of course, has zero jurisdiction in such matters) helping out local law enforcement. This was [just] a[nother] case of federal LEOs taking care of their own.
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What I heard the first day was the border patrol officer who was wounded (maybe not that one) was across the street when it went out over the radio. I heard the one who was wounded had a kid that was killed. We will see if that information holds up over the next week or two.
Yesterday, I thought I heard a few officers who showed up first went in. It was unclear when everyone else got there. Now the info today is saying something else, but those reports are from witnesses outside who probably weren't told what was happening.
I would like the hear more. (is that better phrasing?)
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Early reports were that an armed school resource officer "confronted" the perp when he entered the building. Today they said there was no armed SRO on-site. So . . . the story about the SRO was a complete fabrication, made up, a blatant lie based on nothing whatsoever.
WHO CREATED THIS LIE AND PASSED IT ON?
WHAT OTHER LIES HAVE WE BEEN TOLD, AND WHAT LIES ARE WE BEING TOLD NOW?
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WHO CREATED THIS LIE AND PASSED IT ON?
WHAT OTHER LIES HAVE WE BEEN TOLD, AND WHAT LIES ARE WE BEING TOLD NOW?
These questions should be asked about every news report.
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https://news.yahoo.com/police-face-growing-criticism-over-202101630.html
12 minutes.
He sat outside the school, shooting at either the funeral home across the street or at the school's exterior, for TWELVE MINUTES.
How does a PD fail to respond to shots fired around a school, for TWELVE MINUTES?
More details on the breach team:
After two officers were wounded inside the school, Olivarez added, other officers continued to maintain a presence to prevent the gunman from going to other classrooms and to allow their colleagues to evacuate children. Upon arrival, a Border Patrol tactical officer formed a tactical entry team with a sheriff's deputy and two officers and, using a ballistic shield, breached the classroom and killed the gunman.
An ad-hoc improvised tac team of 4 people from 3 different agencies. I had initially heard it was a BP tac team that took him down which I was very concerned about; it gave me the impression that the local PD was impotent or passed the buck to a tac team rather than sacking up and getting the job done. Glad to hear that might not be the case.
The SRO was unable to deny the gunman access to his first classroom, but it does seem the law enforcement response did deny him access to any additional classrooms. It sounds like the school wasn't adhering to its security practices though, that all classroom doors are to be locked. Or he exploited the off-chance of a kid on a hall pass or a door in the process of closing.
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It seems like 12 minutes of incoming fire should cause a school to start locking doors.
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At this point, I don't think we will ever learn the truth. It's obvious that there were screw-ups all along the way, and I have no doubt that all parties will be in full ass-cover mode while portraying the responding officers (whether or not they did anything) as "heroes" to deflect any and all criticism.
I'm beyond disgusted. Schools never learn. After this, I expect that when schools open in September they'll all be in full alert mode, doors will by e duly locked, classroom doors will be closed and locked -- for maybe a semester. Maybe even an entire school year. Then there won't be any school shootings, so gradually they'll ease up. Classroom doors won't be closed. Some exterior doors won't be closed. The retired police officer I was discussing this with yesterday confirmed this. He was a sergeant before he retired. He told me that he used to check schools in his town, and the back door to the kitchen was always open. He said he would complain, and he was told that was so they could receive deliveries. Of course, there was a doorbell right there -- but the cafeteria workers were too lazy to go open the door, so they just left it open.
His department requested that the schools in town assign a custodian to go around every two hours to verify that all exterior doors were locked. The school administration refused. They didn't want to take a custodian away from whatever he was supposed to be doing -- which the retired officer said was usually playing Solitaire on the computers in the maintenance shop.
I used to know a locksmith who serviced local schools. He told me he never wasted time checking in through main entrances. He just drove around to the back and walked in through the door to the maintenance shop -- he said they were always open.
Administrators pay lip service to security, but they don't really want to do anything about it. They just want to be able to say they're doing something about it.
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[Chuck Schumer] BUT IF THE DOORS ARE LOCKED EVERYONE WILL DIE IF THERE'S A FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Chuck Schumer]
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Apparently someone claiming to be the uncle of one of the children has been spreading stories about Gov Abbott harassing relatives over gun control triggering several libs and MSM to start foaming at the mouth with calls to prosecute Gov Abbott. The guy has an interesting history so to speak.
Keith Olbermann is speechless, says the DOJ needs to prosecute Gov. Greg Abbott because of this totally true story
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/26/keith-olbermann-is-speechless-says-the-doj-needs-to-prosecute-gov-greg-abbott-because-of-this-totally-true-story/
Andy Ngô exposes SICKO claiming to be the uncle of a slain Uvalde student accusing Gov. Abbott of horrible things (SOOO many idiot blue-checks fell for it)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/27/andy-ngo-exposes-sicko-claiming-to-be-the-uncle-of-a-slain-uvalde-student-accusing-gov-abbott-of-horrible-things-sooo-many-idiot-blue-checks-who-fell-for-it/
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[Chuck Schumer] BUT IF THE DOORS ARE LOCKED EVERYONE WILL DIE IF THERE'S A FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Chuck Schumer]
You mean just like at the Capital?
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WHO CREATED THIS LIE AND PASSED IT ON?
WHAT OTHER LIES HAVE WE BEEN TOLD, AND WHAT LIES ARE WE BEING TOLD NOW?
SOP for the media
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Just read that Mitch McConnell has instructed the Senate Rs to work with the Dems on a bipartisan gun control package...
Just when prices were starting to come down...
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And Quartz shows us how easy it is to "buy a gun". Nevermind that all they did was order it, talk about how easy it was, and then apparently from the story, didn't bother to do the NICS paperwork to actually buy the gun. I'm sure we'll be seeing a ton of these stories.
https://qz.com/2170207/we-ordered-the-ar-15-rifle-used-in-uvalde-heres-how-easy-it-is/
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Just read that Mitch McConnell has instructed the Senate Rs to work with the Dems on a bipartisan gun control package...
Just when prices were starting to come down...
I heard a bunch of conservative pols on the teevee this morning talking about more red flag laws. I'm also betting "21 and over" legislation will be introduced, and I think that will be looked at as a easy win for both sides. Ds will say they did something major, and Rs will say it's a minor concession.
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Has Hogg declared himself a survivor of Uvalde yet?
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I heard a bunch of conservative pols on the teevee this morning talking about more red flag laws. I'm also betting "21 and over" legislation will be introduced, and I think that will be looked at as a easy win for both sides. Ds will say they did something major, and Rs will say it's a minor concession.
The dems will want those + mag restriction at the very least. Maybe throw in universal background checks too.
I could see banning online sales too. Wouldn't surprise me if they try to push through a full on 94 bill though
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Could Biden ban imported "assault" rifles with an EO?
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Just popped up
Beside the already mentioned above NY looking to ban body armor with some discussion on a fed level
Bi-Partisan Federal Gun-Control?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCf_Zydvizc
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Biden said he'll be down there Sunday
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https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/27/border-patrol-agent-drove-40-miles-to-respond-to-mass-shooting-at-uvalde-elementary-school-sources-say/
The Border Patrol agent was out of uniform, eating lunch, and 40 miles away when the call came over the radio.
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I'm betting the Dems go hard...94 AWB and more. They feel empowered by NBA coaches and news reports saying 90% of Americans want military weapons off the streets. I'm thinking they go for either a total ban on possession of semi-auto rifles, or at least everything they can put on an EBR list. No grandfather clause for what's already owned. I'm also hearing a lot of chatter about mags holding more than 5 shots, and the horror that the Texas kid was able to buy more than 300 rounds of ammo.
In response, Rs will compromise with a return of the 94 AWB, with 10 round mag limits, universal background checks, a federal red flag law, and proudly say they protected 2A and the children.
Meanwhile, I'm gonna order magazines. Can't afford ammo.
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Just popped up
Beside the already mentioned above NY looking to ban body armor with some discussion on a fed level
This after it has been documented that he used no body armor (though they could be embracing Buffalo here).
It's irritating that they both want to ban guns, but then also ban passive protection from criminals with guns, which will be the only people with guns after a gun ban. And "criminals" includes cops/gov who would enforce such bans as well as those of us who become criminals because we will not comply.
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This after it has been documented that he used no body armor (though they could be embracing Buffalo here).
It's irritating that they both want to ban guns, but then also ban passive protection from criminals with guns, which will be the only people with guns after a gun ban. And "criminals" includes cops who would enforce such bans as well as those of us who become criminals because we will not comply.
While they do less and less about the actual criminals in the name of "justice"
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It's not about doing something useful and effective. Never has been. It's all about doing something to show "those murderous gun owners" who's boss.
Brad
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If the Republican Party was looking for a way to kill that whole red tsunami thing...
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Headline states he had been reported to the FBI
Anyone have VIP access or another link?
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/05/27/uvalde-killer-threats-n58782
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Could Biden ban imported "assault" rifles with an EO?
Imports are one area where POTUS actually has a LOT of authority. But isn't the "parts count" US code requirement in 18 USC 922(r) defining what constitutes an "import" still in effect anyway?
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https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/salvador-ramos-mightve-revealed-shooting-plan-reporttexas-shooter-may-have-revealed-sick-massacre-plan-in-video-game-rant-report/
Here's another link showing gamers reporting Ramos to the FBI for disturbing statements in video games.
EDIT: Its a gamer reporting "someone." There's a lot of supposition and assumption that the BadSpeaker was actually Ramos and not someone else. No one has traced any usernames to accounts or sessions or IP addresses.
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Imports are one area where POTUS actually has a LOT of authority. But isn't the "parts count" US code requirement in 18 USC 922(r) defining what constitutes an "import" still in effect anyway?
You thinks that matters to them?
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https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/salvador-ramos-mightve-revealed-shooting-plan-reporttexas-shooter-may-have-revealed-sick-massacre-plan-in-video-game-rant-report/
Here's another link showing gamers reporting Ramos to the FBI for disturbing statements in video games.
EDIT: Its a gamer reporting "someone." There's a lot of supposition and assumption that the BadSpeaker was actually Ramos and not someone else. No one has traced any usernames to accounts or sessions or IP addresses.
If true kind of hard to fault the FBI on that one.
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If true kind of hard to fault the FBI on that one.
Yup. In another situation we might be discussing something like that as doxing or swating. Freedom and keeping big brother at bay require letting some bad actors slip through.
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Watching news right now.. looks like the media sharks are in a feeding frenzy over the LEO delay on entry/engaging the shooter. It's amazing to me, watching this, that they almost seem to have lost sight of the bad guy, and are focusing on "holding these people accountable for making wrong choices."
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If true kind of hard to fault the FBI on that one.
No, it isn't.
The FBI and other agencies should be made to announce a significant scaling back of their big brothering. As we've seen time and again, it's a whole lot of intrusion, and we still have all-too-frequent massacres.
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Watching news right now.. looks like the media sharks are in a feeding frenzy over the LEO delay on entry/engaging the shooter. It's amazing to me, watching this, that they almost seem to have lost sight of the bad guy, and are focusing on "holding these people accountable for making wrong choices."
And they should be in a feeding frenzy over this.
There's been a WHOLE LOT of surrendering of liberty to all the authoritarian apologists. And everything just keeps getting worse as a result. It's a case of the blind squirrel finding an acorn, and I don't think they even realize what they're doing since MSM pretty much always operates from a position of Cognitive Dissonance, but the answers will be useful later.
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It's easy to figure out why the FBI wasn't interested ahead of time.
The name "Salvador Ramos" doesn't sound typical for a White Supremacist.
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Some animals are more equal.
Off-duty Border Patrol officer enters Uvalde elementary school and evacuates his family rather than facing gunman.
In the meantime, Uvalde PD are arresting and detaining parents of other children wanting to do the same thing or confront the gunman.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-officer-jacob-albarado-runs-into-uvalde-school-with-barbers-shotgun-to-save-daughter/
EDIT TO ADD: He took his barber's shotgun when he got the news in the barber's chair.
No 4473. No background check on that private party firearms transfer.
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Some animals are more equal.
Off-duty Border Patrol officer enters Uvalde elementary school and evacuates his family rather than facing gunman.
In the meantime, Uvalde PD are arresting and detaining parents of other children wanting to do the same thing or confront the gunman.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-officer-jacob-albarado-runs-into-uvalde-school-with-barbers-shotgun-to-save-daughter/
EDIT TO ADD: He took his barber's shotgun when he got the news in the barber's chair.
No 4473. No background check on that private party firearms transfer.
"I did what I was trained to do."
CBP trains their officers to just rescue their families? Interesting how the article hails him as a hero.
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A Texas official now says that the door that the shooter used to enter the school was propped open by a teacher. pic.twitter.com/bYWvHIBXqB
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) May 27, 2022
:facepalm:
and
DPS Director McGraw confirms a school resource officer was not originally on campus before the shooting but could not explain why that was the case.
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) May 27, 2022
:facepalm:
and
BREAKING: DPS says *19* officers were on scene when gunman was inside but officers thought they didn’t have enough resources.
The officers treated it as a barricaded subject situation NOT as an active shooter—despite 911 calls from inside reporting shots fired @SpectrumNews1TX
— Alex Stockwell (@alexrstockwell) May 27, 2022
:facepalm:
And
On 40 minute delay in police engaging the suspect inside Robb Elementary School, officials say, "a decision was made that this was a barricaded subject…there was time to retrieve the keys."
"From the benefit of hindsight…it was the wrong decision." https://t.co/q812K5OQTv pic.twitter.com/59SMt32ElZ
— ABC News (@ABC) May 27, 2022
:facepalm:
And
DEVELOPING: The tactical team that eventually killed the Uvalde gunman arrived at the school far earlier than previously known, but was told to hold back and not go in by local police, according to two officials familiar with the response
w/ @esullivannythttps://t.co/JnazQb3998
— J. David Goodman (@jdavidgoodman) May 27, 2022
:facepalm:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/27/texas-dps-door-used-by-shooter-was-propped-open-by-a-teacher-says-on-site-commander-made-the-wrong-decision/
Me right now
https://i.imgflip.com/bjh31.jpg
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That's an LEO circle jerk.
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Fortunately, our leaders know exactly how to fix this horrible problem with police training and procedures: ban body armor and guns, so the only people with body armor and guns will have all the body armor and guns they need, for the dangerous job of arresting disarmed, unarmored parents.
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Washington Post has got Daniel Defense now.
They donate to republicans!
The horror!
‘Who WRITES this sh*t?!’ WaPo BREAKING big story about maker of rifle used in Uvalde donating to Republicans *GASP* does NOT go well
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/27/who-writes-this-sht-wapo-breaking-big-story-about-maker-of-rifle-used-in-uvalde-donating-to-republicans-gasp-does-not-go-well/
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Looking at aerial views and some crude sketches of the school plan I have seen on-line, it strikes me that an armed assault through the classroom door wasn't even necessary. This school more than likely had windows, and it's a one-story building. Set up a sniper team where they can get a view of the bad actor. Three-person team. When the designated shooter has a shot, two others fire (shotguns?) to break the glass, followed by the designated shooter taking out the bad actor.
If the windows are small and the bad actor is pacing around -- set up multiple teams, from different vantage points.
If the SEALS could take out three Somali pirates shooting at a bobbing lifeboat from the deck of a ship at sea, a police sniper should be able to take out a teen-age punk at a distance of probably 50 yards or less.
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Looking at aerial views and some crude sketches of the school plan I have seen on-line, it strikes me that an armed assault through the classroom door wasn't even necessary. This school more than likely had windows, and it's a one-story building. Set up a sniper team where they can get a view of the bad actor. Three-person team. When the designated shooter has a shot, two others fire (shotguns?) to break the glass, followed by the designated shooter taking out the bad actor.
If the windows are small and the bad actor is pacing around -- set up multiple teams, from different vantage points.
If the SEALS could take out three Somali pirates shooting at a bobbing lifeboat from the deck of a ship at sea, a police sniper should be able to take out a teen-age punk at a distance of probably 50 yards or less.
I guess the first problem with all of that is there were children in the room. The second is that there may have been blinds or shades down. Also, firing shotguns (at long range) into a room with children inside. Also, wouldn't the shotgun blasts and breaking glass induce the bad guy to take cover, possibly behind one of those children that (I may have already mentioned) were in the room being fired into?
Lastly, a lot of children could be laid waste while getting this team in place. (There were children in that room.)
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Gov Abbott says he was mislead and "is livid".
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/greg-abbott-texas-uvalde-shooting/
Talked to a friend who's brother works in the state capital. He says that "livid" is a laughable understatement. Apparently Hizzoner the Gov is preparing to go full-on bitch slap mode with a few folks.
Brad
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Gov Abbott says he was mislead and "is livid".
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/greg-abbott-texas-uvalde-shooting/
Talked to a friend who's brother works in the state capital. He says that "livid" is a laughable understatement. Apparently Hizzoner the Gov is preparing to go full-on bitch slap mode with a few folks.
Brad
It was a very un-Texan response to a threat to Texan children. Something I'd expect from an Oregon PD.
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Even if all the shooting was done how many children could have been saved if an immediate response allowed quicker trauma care? And it should have been immediate the events outside of the school clearly indicated a big problem.
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Even if all the shooting was done how many children could have been saved if an immediate response allowed quicker trauma care? And it should have been immediate the events outside of the school clearly indicated a big problem.
Yep. Looks like there were no lessons learned from the Florida Parkland murders both with their security and with the police response.
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An anonymous donor donor is covering funeral costs
Greg Abbott says the state is offering free mental health care services and an anonymous donor has provided $175,000 to cover funeral costs.
Announces a One Star Foundation fund collecting donations for victims and their families to cover expenses going forward
— Dan Carson (@TheDoctorCarson) May 27, 2022
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/27/gov-greg-abbott-says-he-was-misled-by-law-enforcement-officials-bonus-deleted-tweet-from-rex-chapman/
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Gov Abbott says he was mislead and "is livid".
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/greg-abbott-texas-uvalde-shooting/
Another article from the same publication:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/uvalde-school-shooting-texas-teachers/
“People who have never taught before, make policies that affect every moment of my day, she said. “Right now, that’s really what cuts me the deepest.”
Not to seem unsympathetic, but it wasn't a person who had never taught before who left the door open for the shooter to walk in. It was a teacher -- one of your own.
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Another article from the same publication:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/uvalde-school-shooting-texas-teachers/
Not to seem unsympathetic, but it wasn't a person who had never taught before who left the door open for the shooter to walk in. It was a teacher -- one of your own.
There should be dire legal consequences for that teacher who left the door open.
And based on what's come out in the last 24 hours, there are a bunch of LEOs who at a bare minimum should never, ever, be allowed to carry a badge again.
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So much for Schumer saying no gun bills
Lying sack of *expletive deleted*it
Shocked? - No
Disappointed? - Yes
Chuck Schumer To Schedule Universal Background Check & Registry Vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7O6L5VFxb8
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An anonymous donor donor is covering funeral costs
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/27/gov-greg-abbott-says-he-was-misled-by-law-enforcement-officials-bonus-deleted-tweet-from-rex-chapman/
This Rex Chapman guy - I'm sure the grieving families are not at all worried about paying for funerals and travel expenses, and just want the governor to start working on gun laws that won't bring back the dead, and wouldn't even go into effect anytime soon (as if he could even get such laws in Texas).
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It's not gun control it's gun safely
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This is my safety 👍.
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As a preface, I am absolutely not trying to remove any responsibility from the shooter. However, reading this, I wonder how much social media, and labeling him "school shooter" prior to the shooting, might have sent him over the edge or even giving him the idea? His apparent behavior on this social media platform certainly shows violent aberrations.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-gunman-threats-yubo-school-shooter-social-media
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Two Unnamed Boys the Same Age as the Shooter Were Arrested in 2018 for Planning Columbine-Style Shooting at Uvalde School in 2022
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/two-unnamed-boys-age-shooter-arrested-2018-planning-columbine-style-shooting-uvalde-school-2022/
“Investigators also believe the students were planning to hold the attacks years from now during their senior year, on the anniversary of the Columbine shooting. However, one of the students began to convince the other that they should move the attacks up to this year,” the report said.
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“One of the students had numerous writings and drawings which depicted weapons capable of causing mass destruction. He wrote about being ‘God-like’ and killing police and other persons. He had an academic analysis of one of the Columbine shooter’s journals,” the release stated.
This is interesting. They had a credible threat only a few years before. The point about planning to do it a few years later is interesting. Was the murderer involved with these other kids or influenced by them? Since they were unnamed and minors, was he one of them?
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There should be dire legal consequences for that teacher who left the door open.
And based on what's come out in the last 24 hours, there are a bunch of LEOs who at a bare minimum should never, ever, be allowed to carry a badge again.
Have any of you here 1) when the teacher propped the door open, and 2) was it something done regularly?
I heard Salty Cracker say it was done only minutes before the murderer came in. I haven't seen that detail anywhere.
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Fed Who Killed Shooter Got Gun From Barber, Sped To School After Getting Text From Wife Who Was Inside
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-details-emerge-about-heroic-border-patrol-and-ice-agents-storming-classroom-and-killing-shooter
Approximately 80 federal agents had responded to the shooting on Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, but were instructed by local law enforcement to wait and not go after the attacker.
“After approximately 30 minutes passed, however, the federal agents opted of their own volition to lead the ‘stack’ of officers inside the school and take down the shooter,” NBC News reported.
“Initially, the Bortac agents couldn’t get into the classroom because of a steel door and cinder block construction,” the report said. “Meanwhile, the gunman … shot at them through the door and walls.”
“The Bortac agents got a master key from the school principal that allowed them to enter the room,” the report added. “One Bortac agent’s shield was hit by rounds upon entering and a second agent was wounded by shrapnel. A third killed the suspect.”
I am curious about the shooting through the walls comment. I believe 5.56 will go through cinder block, but it will take more than a few shots.
The link also mentioned getting keys. Did none of them have a pry bar or something to crack the door?
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Have any of you here 1) when the teacher propped the door open, and 2) was it something done regularly?
I heard Salty Cracker say it was done only minutes before the murderer came in. I haven't seen that detail anywhere.
Saw somewhere the door was propped open a minute or so before he crashed his truck.
Which would mean the whole time he's shooting outside the school, reportedly for 12 minutes, no one thought of closing the door.
Why the door was propped open? Someone or someones were taking a smoke break perhaps?
Reportedly the police enter through the same door.
Now the timing of when the door was propped open may be off but it appears it was in fact propped open.
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Father of Uvalde Shooter: ‘I Don’t Want Them Calling Him a Monster… They Don’t Know Nothing’
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/father-uvalde-shooter-dont-want-calling-monster-dont-know-nothing/
Some odd statements in this about not having enough clothes and him wearing the same pants every day. Considering he bought an expensive AR prior to the shooting, he could afford a few pair of pants. He may have been referring to something from years before.
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The link also mentioned getting keys. Did none of them have a pry bar or something to crack the door?
I only have a cursory knowledge of breach rounds, but I would have assumed a tactics team would have a shotty with the rounds. Perhaps they are too dangerous for situations where there are innocents on the other side of the door.
A steel door that is well mounted into a block wall could be difficult to breach with rams, etc.
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Father of Uvalde Shooter: ‘I Don’t Want Them Calling Him a Monster… They Don’t Know Nothing’
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/father-uvalde-shooter-dont-want-calling-monster-dont-know-nothing/
Some odd statements in this about not having enough clothes and him wearing the same pants every day. Considering he bought an expensive AR prior to the shooting, he could afford a few pair of pants. He may have been referring to something from years before.
These are definitely two people who should never have had children. He refused to see his son because of covid? Come on, man.
They need to stop with that pants story as well, it makes them look ridiculous and too stupid to figure out that you can buy 400 pairs of walmart pants for what the kid spent on weapons and accessories.
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A steel door that is well mounted into a block wall could be difficult to breach with rams, etc.
Almost impossible. School classroom doors, by code, must open outward, in the direction of egress travel. A steel door will be in a steel frame and, if the walls are concrete block, that steel frame will be very solidly anchored. The door stop -- the part the door closes against -- is an integral part of the steel frame, not nailed on like the stops in residential wood frames. Hitting it with a battering ramp will just push the door against the stop, dent the door and batter the guys running the ram.
I don't know exactly how breaching rounds work but my assumption has been that they simply destroy the lock. I don't think they pose any significant hazard to people in the room beyond the door.
[Edit to add] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaching_round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGJ-l9cGoA
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A bunch of tin foil hat posts on the internet over the both the propped door and the police response.
I'll say it again
Incompetence is often mistaken for conspiracy
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I'm afraid that Daniel Defense, who did absolutely nothing wrong, may not survive this.
https://youtu.be/xa99xtmvpOE
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Almost impossible. School classroom doors, by code, must open outward, in the direction of egress travel. A steel door will be in a steel frame and, if the walls are concrete block, that steel frame will be very solidly anchored. The door stop -- the part the door closes against -- is an integral part of the steel frame, not nailed on like the stops in residential wood frames. Hitting it with a battering ramp will just push the door against the stop, dent the door and batter the guys running the ram.
I don't know exactly how breaching rounds work but my assumption has been that they simply destroy the lock. I don't think they pose any significant hazard to people in the room beyond the door.
[Edit to add] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaching_round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGJ-l9cGoA
I was thinking more about a 5 or 6 foot pry bar to break the door. I am sure other tools would work also.
https://www.grainger.com/product/TRUE-TEMPER-Pinch-Bars-21YM29
https://www.grainger.com/product/LFI-Pry-Bars-36HV54
Seems to me that shotgun breaching rounds would be considered unsafe when entering a room with kids. Might be safe, but not judged safe.
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. "
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. "
I would agree with that with regard to the door being propped open. I can see people wanting their smoke break and the school administrators won't give them keys to get back in if the door closes. Easy answer is to prop the door open. Probably happened a lot and they probably forgot to close it when they were done a lot.
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I was thinking more about a 5 or 6 foot pry bar to break the door. I am sure other tools would work also.
https://www.grainger.com/product/TRUE-TEMPER-Pinch-Bars-21YM29
https://www.grainger.com/product/LFI-Pry-Bars-36HV54
Won't work quickly, and probably not at all. This is a school. I doubt those doors are the type of insulated steel doors that are used as front doors on most houses these days. They are probably commercial-grade steel doors. My guess is that a couple of big, strong guys could work on it for a half hour and maybe get it open in that time.
Seems to me that shotgun breaching rounds would be considered unsafe when entering a room with kids. Might be safe, but not judged safe.
Cops who use them should know how they work. They are the ones who would (or should) decide whether or not to use them.
The door in the video I posted is a residential steel door with the lock area replaced by wood. I couldn't find a video showing a breaching round used on a commercial-grade steel door.
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A tangent, but this stuff irritates me to no end. What the *expletive deleted*ck do I care about some sports moron and his "specific actions"? Why does the MSM (right to left) have to constantly highlight sports morons and Hollywood morons and their "expert opinions" about things they have zero knowledge about, and why do so many people hang on their words?
Kapler told reporters before Friday’s series opener at Cincinnati that, moving forward, he doesn’t plan on taking the field for the national anthem “until I feel better about the direction of our country” and that he needs more time to consider specific actions he might suggest be taken to prevent more tragedies of this type, such as stronger gun control laws.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/28/sf-giants-manager-wont-come-out-for-natl-anthem-until-he-feels-better-about-the-direction-of-the-county/
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A tangent, but this stuff irritates me to no end. What the *expletive deleted*ck do I care about some sports moron and his "specific actions"? Why does the MSM (right to left) have to constantly highlight sports morons and Hollywood morons and their "expert opinions" about things they have zero knowledge about, and why do so many people hang on their words?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/28/sf-giants-manager-wont-come-out-for-natl-anthem-until-he-feels-better-about-the-direction-of-the-county/
Because people like you are sure to drag it into places like this to ensure people like me see it when I've intentionally avoided looking at their dreck.
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A tangent, but this stuff irritates me to no end. What the *expletive deleted*ck do I care about some sports moron and his "specific actions"? Why does the MSM (right to left) have to constantly highlight sports morons and Hollywood morons and their "expert opinions" about things they have zero knowledge about, and why do so many people hang on their words?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/28/sf-giants-manager-wont-come-out-for-natl-anthem-until-he-feels-better-about-the-direction-of-the-county/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT3E6rTXoAAO3fI?format=jpg&name=medium)
"You" being Kapler, of course.
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The first congressional R has folded:
A Republican U.S. congressman on May 27 said he would vote for a ban of so-called assault weapons.
“I want to be completely transparent of where I am in Congress,” said Rep. Chris Jacobs (R-N.Y.). “If an assault weapons ban bill came to the floor that would ban something like an AR-15, I would vote for it.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/republican-congressman-says-he-would-vote-for-an-assault-weapons-ban_4497658.html
Edit: He's also introducing a bill to ban body armor.
Jacobs said that he is supportive of a range of ideas, including proposals that would limit the size of magazines that people can obtain and increase the age one must be to buy AR-15-style guns from 18 to 21. He also plans to write a bill that would ban civilians from buying body armor.
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The first congressional R has folded:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/republican-congressman-says-he-would-vote-for-an-assault-weapons-ban_4497658.html
Edit: He's also introducing a bill to ban body armor.
If you ban them what's the point of an age limit on buying?
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Apparently someone claiming to be the uncle of one of the children has been spreading stories about Gov Abbott harassing relatives over gun control triggering several libs and MSM to start foaming at the mouth with calls to prosecute Gov Abbott. The guy has an interesting history so to speak.
Keith Olbermann is speechless, says the DOJ needs to prosecute Gov. Greg Abbott because of this totally true story
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/26/keith-olbermann-is-speechless-says-the-doj-needs-to-prosecute-gov-greg-abbott-because-of-this-totally-true-story/
Andy Ngô exposes SICKO claiming to be the uncle of a slain Uvalde student accusing Gov. Abbott of horrible things (SOOO many idiot blue-checks fell for it)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/27/andy-ngo-exposes-sicko-claiming-to-be-the-uncle-of-a-slain-uvalde-student-accusing-gov-abbott-of-horrible-things-sooo-many-idiot-blue-checks-who-fell-for-it/
Despite this being exposed as a total fabrication by a well know lair some in the the MSM are still running with it
Shocked- No
Disappointed - Yes
He LIED About Losing Child In Texas Incident & Was Still Promoted By Media Anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUcFj2_wn_k
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Some nice takes
If a weapon is so dangerous that a squad of police officers are too afraid to confront a single person wielding it, that weapon should be banned.
— Katelyn Burns (@transscribe) May 26, 2022
They don’t confiscate them. If you are registered owner you are fined daily until you turn in. If you don’t pay your fine, they take what equity you have to pay the fine, or garnish your wages.
— Dragontail1 (@Dragontail110) May 28, 2022
Guns need to be confiscated to save lives, I don’t care how many dead gun owners and feds it takes
— Zach W (@ZWass777) May 27, 2022
MSNBC columnist says AR-15s should be banned if police are too afraid to confront one
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/28/msnbc-columnist-says-ar-15s-should-be-banned-if-police-are-too-afraid-to-confront-one/
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Some nice takes
MSNBC columnist says AR-15s should be banned if police are too afraid to confront one
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/28/msnbc-columnist-says-ar-15s-should-be-banned-if-police-are-too-afraid-to-confront-one/
Time to sell a couple of handguns and buy a Ruger Mini-14 (and maybe a Mini-30 while I'm at it).
Are the newer Mini-14s any less inaccurate than the old ones?
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Time to sell a couple of handguns and buy a Ruger Mini-14 (and maybe a Mini-30 while I'm at it).
Are the newer Mini-14s any less inaccurate than the old ones?
The newer 5800 series (Post 2005?) are generally a bit more accurate. Still not as accurate as a half way decent AR but better than they were.
Prepare for sticker shock though. They usually go for ~1k new.
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Comment I just came across to a MAC video
I hope this channel gets shut down immediately. No one needs a weapon of war. Totally insane. Weapons of mass distraction belong on the battle field, not in the hands of wannabe Rambo's.
Yeah....
And yes I noticed the misspell of destruction
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Harris calling calling for a ban
Shocker
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Time to sell a couple of handguns and buy a Ruger Mini-14 (and maybe a Mini-30 while I'm at it).
Are the newer Mini-14s any less inaccurate than the old ones?
If you do, try to set aside extra for the A-Team folding stock. =)
https://shopruger.com/Ruger-Mini-14-A-TM-Folding-Stock/productinfo/13006/
Not a bad idea, but there is no guarantee any legal action will exclude them. I guess if you keep some 5 or 10 round mags, it may not draw attention.
I wouldn't mind getting on with a threaded barrel, but in general they cost quite a bit.
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If you do, try to set aside extra for the A-Team folding stock. =)
https://shopruger.com/Ruger-Mini-14-A-TM-Folding-Stock/productinfo/13006/
Nope. If I get one, it will be a bare bones model with a wood stock, so it looks as traditional and un-scary (that's a technical term) as possible.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/uzm4q0/texas_cops_are_cowards/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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Father of Uvalde Shooter: ‘I Don’t Want Them Calling Him a Monster… They Don’t Know Nothing’
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/father-uvalde-shooter-dont-want-calling-monster-dont-know-nothing/
Some odd statements in this about not having enough clothes and him wearing the same pants every day. Considering he bought an expensive AR prior to the shooting, he could afford a few pair of pants. He may have been referring to something from years before.
I think we ought to lynch the “parents” very publicly for those statements. If there is anything we are sick and tired of hearing it’s the “no no he was a good boy” *expletive deleted*it.
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DD in the media:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/gun-in-texas-shooting-came-from-company-known-for-pushing-boundaries/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3to36bwmUkbzb3oiyw0fUesWymsNGMpD24M7_HpyImrrLyWJ3K-tOiybc#Echobox=1653787528
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DD in the media:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/gun-in-texas-shooting-came-from-company-known-for-pushing-boundaries/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3to36bwmUkbzb3oiyw0fUesWymsNGMpD24M7_HpyImrrLyWJ3K-tOiybc#Echobox=1653787528
I did a quick scan before my eyes started to glaze over but noticed they even manage to drag both race and Trump into it
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There is NO constitutional right to own a gun. That was literally made up by 5 GOP Justices in 2008 decision of DC v Heller. We need to make overturning Heller a cause like the right made overturning Roe v Wade. My @MSNBC https://t.co/4K6mhc38bi
— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) May 28, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/29/you-stupid-or-somethin-dean-obeidallah-declares-theres-no-constitutional-right-to-own-a-gun-and-lol-weve-never-seen-so-much-backfire/
Yeah......About that
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I did a quick scan before my eyes started to glaze over but noticed they even manage to drag both race and Trump into it
That's what I was gonna post. DD=Orange Man!!!!
The MSM articles coming out have some ridiculous *expletive deleted*it in them trying to make DD the devil, which of course they would do if it was a Sig, S&W, BCM, etc.
It's like a "six degrees of separation" game with them looking for connections to "bad stuff".
EDIT: I see at the end of the story they mention his other rifle, "A Smith & Wesson assault-style rifle". I haven't seen the DD called "assault-style", only "assault". I'm assuming the S&W is one of the M&P15 models.
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The conversation the libs and dems don't want to have
White: Focusing on Cultural Pathologies That Lead to Mass Shootings Reveals Difficult Truths…So Instead, We Talk About Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/white-focusing-on-cultural-pathologies-that-lead-to-mass-shootings-reveals-difficult-truths-so-instead-we-talk-about-guns/
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The conversation the libs and dems don't want to have
White: Focusing on Cultural Pathologies That Lead to Mass Shootings Reveals Difficult Truths…So Instead, We Talk About Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/white-focusing-on-cultural-pathologies-that-lead-to-mass-shootings-reveals-difficult-truths-so-instead-we-talk-about-guns/
It's not just that they don't want to have the conversation. The far left actively attacks family structure. They literally push that a man, woman, and 2.5 kids is patriarchal, racist, and evil. They believe that families destroy society rather than cement it together. It takes a village.
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I wonder how hard it would be for someone with enough government power to research teens which have been "problems" around talking about school shootings, and then groom them and provide them weapons? One would think that there would be leaks, unless, of course, there are enough true believers in the end game, and any tactic to achieve it is good, involved...
But that's crazy talk.
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It's not just that they don't want to have the conversation. The far left actively attacks family structure. They literally push that a man, woman, and 2.5 kids is patriarchal, racist, and evil. They believe that families destroy society rather than cement it together. It takes a village.
Well, the village is obviously failing to do its job.
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Well, the village is obviously failing to do its job.
Or is it?
First steps are usually infiltrate then disrupt from within the society you wish to over throw.
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Or is it?
First steps are usually infiltrate then disrupt from within the society you wish to over throw.
Different job. (Point taken.)
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Timeline: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-timeline-of-texas-school-shooting-includes-student-911-calls-as-officers-wait-outside/ar-AAXOsLp
Disgraceful. They had police hunkered down in the hallway for AN HOUR while kids were dying in the classroom.
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Another attempt at trying to turn the police response into a race issue
No WORDS: Jonathan Turley SHREDS blue-check prof asking if Uvalde children died because police didn’t give a damn about a ‘predominately brown’ school
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/29/no-words-jonathan-turley-shreds-blue-check-prof-asking-if-uvalde-children-died-because-police-didnt-give-a-damn-about-a-predominately-brown-school/
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Timeline: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-timeline-of-texas-school-shooting-includes-student-911-calls-as-officers-wait-outside/ar-AAXOsLp
Disgraceful. They had police hunkered down in the hallway for AN HOUR while kids were dying in the classroom.
I was willing to give some benefit of doubt given that a suspected hostage/barricaded subject situation has different ROEs than an active shooter situation. But with cops right outside the door (some reports had me thinking cops were outside the school, rather than outside the classroom) hearing gunfire, and constant 911 calls coming from the classroom, it makes it hard to give that benefit of the doubt. More information keeps coming in, though.
I didn't see any of the 911 calls from the transcript specifically say, "he's shooting us" or similar. They all said "send help". Are there any transcripts where the students/teachers actually said, "he's killing us" on the 911 calls? That would be pretty damning.
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Has anyone seen anything yet about the first lawsuits being filed?
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Leaving this additional information from Breitbart here. Cannot attest to its veracity.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/26/exclusive-police-initially-lacked-ballistic-shield-needed-to-reach-barricaded-texas-school-shooter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/26/exclusive-police-initially-lacked-ballistic-shield-needed-to-reach-barricaded-texas-school-shooter/)
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Leaving this additional information from Breitbart here. Cannot attest to its veracity.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/26/exclusive-police-initially-lacked-ballistic-shield-needed-to-reach-barricaded-texas-school-shooter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/26/exclusive-police-initially-lacked-ballistic-shield-needed-to-reach-barricaded-texas-school-shooter/)
Immaterial. Ever since Columbine (1999) the training has been that the first officer on the scene of a school shooter goes in and engages the shooter. Here they had 19 officers inside the building, and they waited for a HOUR before going in. And they only went in at that time because the Border Patrol guys ignored the school's police chief and went without his approval.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862769/Federal-agents-DEFIED-Uvalde-police-chiefs-instructions-not-enter-school.html
Disgusting display of police cowardice.
There was a police lieutenant who justified their not going in by saying, "They might have gotten shot." Yes, they might. That's what they signed on for when they pinned on the badge. Every single one of them who held back because they might have gotten shot needs to find another line of work.
The anonymous officer cited in RocketMan's link is nothing but a cry baby. Everything he said was just excuses for not doing their job. The Uvalde school district held an active shooter drill just two months ago. They knew what they were supposed to do ... and when the chips were down, they froze..
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Mini-14 is banned in Canada
From 2020
Trudeau announces ban on 1,500 types of 'assault-style' firearms — effective immediately
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar
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Immaterial. Ever since Columbine (1999) the training has been that the first officer on the scene of a school shooter goes in and engages the shooter. Here they had 19 officers inside the building, and they waited for a HOUR before going in. And they only went in at that time because the Border Patrol guys ignored the school's police chief and went without his approval.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862769/Federal-agents-DEFIED-Uvalde-police-chiefs-instructions-not-enter-school.html
Disgusting display of police cowardice.
There was a police lieutenant who justified their not going in by saying, "They might have gotten shot." Yes, they might. That's what they signed on for when they pinned on the badge. Every single one of them who held back because they might have gotten shot needs to find another line of work.
The anonymous officer cited in RocketMan's link is nothing but a cry baby. Everything he said was just excuses for not doing their job. The Uvalde school district held an active shooter drill just two months ago. They knew what they were supposed to do ... and when the chips were down, they froze..
The more cop CYA and the more reports we get about the actual timeline of events and the actions of the cops on the scene the worse it looks.\
I WANT to be supportive of police. I find that to be increasingly more difficult to do.
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Immaterial. Ever since Columbine (1999) the training has been that the first officer on the scene of a school shooter goes in and engages the shooter. Here they had 19 officers inside the building, and they waited for a HOUR before going in. And they only went in at that time because the Border Patrol guys ignored the school's police chief and went without his approval.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862769/Federal-agents-DEFIED-Uvalde-police-chiefs-instructions-not-enter-school.html
Disgusting display of police cowardice.
There was a police lieutenant who justified their not going in by saying, "They might have gotten shot." Yes, they might. That's what they signed on for when they pinned on the badge. Every single one of them who held back because they might have gotten shot needs to find another line of work.
The anonymous officer cited in RocketMan's link is nothing but a cry baby. Everything he said was just excuses for not doing their job. The Uvalde school district held an active shooter drill just two months ago. They knew what they were supposed to do ... and when the chips were down, they froze..
No, they need to eat their guns. :mad:
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No, they need to eat their guns. :mad:
Spicy take, but I can't really say you're wrong.
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Although I spoke on the mental health system above, we all remember that not every mass murderer has mental illness.
My impression of the "mental health system"* is that they're mostly interested in getting people back out the door without followup once the noise, drama and overt symptoms have subsided.
(*I'm not sure where to put scare quotes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes) around that. Many options work.)
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Although I spoke on the mental health system above, we all remember that not every mass murderer has mental illness.
Yeah... No. In the context of the mass shootings we are talking about I firmly believe that a sane person would not commit such and act and a mental illness of some sort is required to do such evil.
Even if we delve into mass murder perpetrated by governments (Nazis, communists, et al) it takes a degree of insanity to indiscriminately murder your fellow human beings.
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My impression of the "mental health system"* is that they're mostly interested in getting people back out the door without followup once the noise, drama and overt symptoms have subsided.
(*I'm not sure where to put scare quotes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes) around that. Many options work.)
As far as mental hospitals go, they just drug the *expletive deleted*it out the people and leave them to drool. I wish I was exaggerating but that’s all that’s happened to the in-law extended family members that have been in them.
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Yeah... No. In the context of the mass shootings we are talking about I firmly believe that a sane person would not commit such and act and a mental illness of some sort is required to do such evil.
Even if we delve into mass murder perpetrated by governments (Nazis, communists, et al) it takes a degree of insanity to indiscriminately murder your fellow human beings.
I think you are stretching the definition of insanity into areas it doesn't belong. Some people are just plain evil. Some people are conditioned/pressured into participating in evil acts. They aren't necessarily insane. I don't think it is healthy (culturally) to define that as insane. Doing so makes people think they can never do such things since they are sane. Anyone can find their way into evil actions if they go down the wrong path or justify in their head that what they are doing is right. The "ends justify the means" can be used to justify all sorts of things and no one wants to think of themselves as wrong or evil.
You see people online after this incident who connect strict gun control with preventing kids from being slaughtered. I might call them stupid, but not insane. Those beliefs can justify lots of evil acts in the right circumstances.
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I wonder how many people will notice the sudden shift in Big Media's concern for children, once the abortion decision becomes official.
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It's Kinzinger, so not a real conservative, but I think a lot of Rs are going to go along with him and we'll see "over 21" legislation probably pass.
I would only hope that someone on the R side attempts to amend the legislation to include 21 for voting as well. If an 18 year old is too irresponsible to own a gun, they are too irresponsible for the rest. The voting would certainly cause lib heads to explode.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-rep-kinzinger-brainer-raise-minimum-age-buy-firearm
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Yeah... No. In the context of the mass shootings we are talking about I firmly believe that a sane person would not commit such and act and a mental illness of some sort is required to do such evil.
Even if we delve into mass murder perpetrated by governments (Nazis, communists, et al) it takes a degree of insanity to indiscriminately murder your fellow human beings.
"Ordinary Men", the story of police reserve battalion 101.
this may alter your viewpoint, it did mine.
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It's Kinzinger, so not a real conservative, but I think a lot of Rs are going to go along with him and we'll see "over 21" legislation probably pass.
I would only hope that someone on the R side attempts to amend the legislation to include 21 for voting as well. If an 18 year old is too irresponsible to own a gun, they are too irresponsible for the rest. The voting would certainly cause lib heads to explode.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-rep-kinzinger-brainer-raise-minimum-age-buy-firearm
They should then raise the age for military draft, abortion, and trans surgery as well.
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They should then raise the age for military draft, abortion, and trans surgery as well.
And marriage.
But I don't think most of the young people today care much about marriage. They just "hook up."
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Kinzinger has upgraded to an AR15 ban.
If Swalwell is now into being open-minded and not beholden to special interests, perhaps he'd be open to simultaneously discussing abortion bans?
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/29/adam-kinzinger-will-now-consider-a-ban-on-ar-15s-earns-the-eric-swalwell-seal-of-approval/
Actually, I think this is a time for Rs to copy Ds and add all kinds of things to any anti-gun legislation.
Minimum age 18 to buy a gun? Minimum age 18 to vote.
"Reasonable" restrictions on AR15s? Ban all abortions after the first trimester.
Make the dems explain "open-minded" and "reasonable" when they balk at these restrictions for stuff they think is important.
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It's Kinzinger, so not a real conservative, but I think a lot of Rs are going to go along with him and we'll see "over 21" legislation probably pass.
I would only hope that someone on the R side attempts to amend the legislation to include 21 for voting as well. If an 18 year old is too irresponsible to own a gun, they are too irresponsible for the rest. The voting would certainly cause lib heads to explode.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-rep-kinzinger-brainer-raise-minimum-age-buy-firearm
Can’t raise voting age to 21 that easy. Pesky 26th amendment.
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According to Joe a 9mm will blow "the" lung out of someone thus... well, see below
Biden, talking about "rational gun laws," says this morning that a "9 mm bullet blows the lung out of the body."
"There’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self protection, hunting," he added, per pool report.
— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) May 30, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/30/joe-biden-clarifies-2a-and-says-theres-simply-no-rational-basis-for-defending-yourself-with-a-9mm-handgun-that-can-blow-a-lung-out-of-a-body/
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The inexplicable, heart-wrenching delay in Uvalde underscores the indispensable role of police.
— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) May 29, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/30/david-axelrod-accidentally-makes-the-case-for-gun-ownership-and-the-second-amendment-in-tweet-that-really-pisses-the-left-off/
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Can’t raise voting age to 21 that easy. Pesky 26th amendment.
I was unclear (yet again :laugh: ) in that it was kinda my point. There's the pesky 2nd amendment as well. Just kind of a "How do you like it when we do it to you?" thing. =)
Though in the Universe where Ben rules the world, minimum age of 25 to vote, and no voting if you're a full time student. Get a job and some skin in the game, hippie.
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I see the point you were trying to make. As absurd as it is, they get away with gun control by saying “weeeelllll it’s not reeeeaaallly in infringement because you can still own a bolt action hunting rifle and an over/under shotgun”. Kind of hard to say the amendment doesn’t really mean 18 years old. And as hypocritical as it would be, no anti-2A judge will say you aren’t really abridging the right to vote for 18-20 year olds by increasing the voting age to 21, even though they can still vote once 21.
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I wasn't sure if this goes here, or in the "Biden has lost all cognitive ability" thread:
Biden, talking about "rational gun laws," says this morning that a "9 mm bullet blows the lung out of the body."
"There’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self protection, hunting," he added, per pool report.
Charlie Spiering
@charliespiering
Biden’s full quote on .22 vs 9mm ammo:
"The .22 caliber bullet will lodge in the lungs and we can get it out. A 9 mm bullet blows the lung out of the body. The idea of a high caliber weapon, there is no rationale for it in terms of self-protection, hunting."
I wonder if he knows what caliber most ARs are?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/30/joe-biden-clarifies-2a-and-says-theres-simply-no-rational-basis-for-defending-yourself-with-a-9mm-handgun-that-can-blow-a-lung-out-of-a-body/
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I can't even...
I just came here to say that I identity as Ukrainian, and I'm keeping my "assault weapons."
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Can’t raise voting age to 21 that easy. Pesky 26th amendment.
Forgot about that.
Okay, back to "everything else": marriage, drinking, drivers' licenses, draft age, age of enlistment -- everything should be on the table (and in the bill).
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How about a compromise? Over 21, any assault weapon you want. Under 21, you're just not allowed to have those scary, lung-stealing 9mm ARs.
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Can we beat the Christmas rush and hate him now?
Spending Memorial Day thinking about the soldiers who gave their lives defending our freedom to shoot schoolchildren.
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) May 30, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/30/actor-comedian-and-gun-control-advocate-michael-ian-black-found-a-clever-way-to-dishonor-the-fallen-on-memorial-day/
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Can we beat the Christmas rush and hate him now?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/05/30/actor-comedian-and-gun-control-advocate-michael-ian-black-found-a-clever-way-to-dishonor-the-fallen-on-memorial-day/
Permission granted.
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Here’s a man destroying his AR-15 with a hammer ‘as instructed by his local police’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/30/heres-a-man-destroying-his-ar-15-with-a-hammer-as-instructed-by-his-local-police/
Jake, a gun owner.. He enjoyed shooting his AR15 for years. A believer in the 2nd amendment. A believer that he nor any other civilian should own an AR15. As he listens to me read the names of the Uvalde victims on my podcast destroys his gun as instructed by his local police. pic.twitter.com/bEtWonRuVC
— lamaritza m (@Icha20211) May 30, 2022
Perfect meme at one of the twitter links
https://twitter.com/JeromehartlF/status/1531333131852300288/photo/1
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I smashed my car after Waukesha
— Deez (@De6tSl4ve) May 30, 2022
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Here’s a man destroying his AR-15 with a hammer ‘as instructed by his local police’
Fake news. AR owners don't wear hippie sandals. That guy is dressed like a Whole Foods shopper.
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Fake news. AR owners don't wear hippie sandals. That guy is dressed like a Whole Foods shopper.
Wearing sandals while I read that.
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Wearing sandals while I read that.
Hippie!!!!
=D
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Hippie!!!!
=D
You need to come to one of our local forum shoots when it hot.
A few will be wearing flip fops :rofl:
One guy wears flip fops even when there's snow on the ground. Yeah, he's weird
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Flip flops I can dig and wore a lot in CA. Kinda an East/West of the Rockies dichotomy. Other than I think Florida does Tshirts, board or cargo shorts, and flip flops the same as CA and HI do - at least the places in FL where I have hung out. =)
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Wearing sandals while I read that.
But are you wearing socks with the sandals?
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But are you wearing socks with the sandals?
Nope
I will confess I do around the house in the winter due to the fact house slippers don't work too well on my feet, L-size 11 R-size 10, and I need the straps to hold it on to secure it to my right foot properly. But I try not to go out of the house that way. :P
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Meanwhile in Canada
TRUDEAU says he is putting forward legislation to put a national freeze on gun ownership. “What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in Canada," he said.https://t.co/OKYTM6ZJBe
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) May 30, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/30/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-putting-forward-a-national-freeze-on-gun-ownership/
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This article says just hand guns
But also says The government also is pledging to start buying back thousands of banned assault weapons before the end of the year.
Also all long gun magazines must be changed (do they mean exchanged?) to accept no more than 5 rounds
Government tables bill to cap handguns, pledges to buy back assault weapons
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/handguns-liberal-bill-1.6470554
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I'm sure the dems are taking notes
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This article says just hand guns
But also says
Also all long gun magazines must be changed (do they mean exchanged?) to accept no more than 5 rounds
Government tables bill to cap handguns, pledges to buy back assault weapons
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/handguns-liberal-bill-1.6470554
I'm sure it will be obeyed this time too.
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Getting back to Uvalde, if there was aby doubt that the cops screwed the pooch, the Daily Mail has obtained the Texas official guidelines for active shooter response, and the cops on the scene did not follow them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862911/Guidelines-Texas-PD-condemned-letting-school-shooter-rampage-revealed.html
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Here’s a man destroying his AR-15 with a hammer ‘as instructed by his local police’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/30/heres-a-man-destroying-his-ar-15-with-a-hammer-as-instructed-by-his-local-police/
Perfect meme at one of the twitter links
https://twitter.com/JeromehartlF/status/1531333131852300288/photo/1
Aww who’s a soy boy beta male *let's not go there*?
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As has been said before, this is like cutting off your own penis to prevent rape.
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Uvalde PD advertises that all of their officers as of 2018 have level 4 body armor.
https://www.facebook.com/uvaldepd/posts/pfbid0VpxjJK4eUGXWpKaA1WMFKJadR9KBtXNNQp7foUNvGbUfNPQgC4mcwyPb6kpf7xdcl
The Uvalde Police Department is pleased to announce that we have completed the process, and been awarded grant funds through the Office of the Governor to outfit EVERY Uvalde Police Officer with Level 4 body armor. This important piece of legislation provided funding to equip police officers with body armor rated to stop rifle rounds. In 2017, Senate Bill 12 was passed into law. The $23 million Rifle-Resistant Body Armor Grants were awarded to 453 jurisdictions around the state. Thanks goes out to those who supported Senate Bill 12 and everyone who supports those who work to keep us safe. #BlueLivesMatter 🚔
Photo: Uvalde Police Officers proudly wear their newly issued Level 4 body armor.
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Uvalde PD proudly introduces their awesome and fearsome SWAT team, 2020.
🟥 Public Service Announcement🟥
The Uvalde Police Dept. S.W.A.T. will be visiting the Uvalde CISD schools, Uvalde Classical Academy, and local businesses throughout the day. The purpose of the visits is to familiarize themselves with layouts of our local schools and businesses. S.W.A.T members will be in full tactical uniforms and we did not want the public to be alarmed when seen. We appreciate the cooperations of all schools and businesses involved. We will continue working together to make Uvalde the safest place to live.
Thank You #UvaldeSafe #CommunityRelations
City of Uvalde
KVOU Coyote Country
The Uvalde Leader-News
Uvalde Radio
Photo Credit: Badges Across America
*Uvalde Police Department limited who can comment on this post.
https://www.facebook.com/uvaldepd/posts/pfbid02NvGYKW3NrGSLbx8D5g8XQqJEFmaSi5rkst3nxGegSGMYVVDnH9EpLAMfudPk8ffLl
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I don't "see" a shield in the SWAT image, but all said and done a shield is a fairly inexpensive tool to provide for a Special Weapons and Tactics squad, and a quite old one. I expect the syllabus of their curriculum demonstrates they trained and qualified with one, and I'm sure there's a receipt for one somewhere in the accounts.
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SWAT pic
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SWAT pic
Front row, third from left.
That's not an AR like the rest of the team. My money says that's a shotgun loaded with breaching rounds. And that officer isn't wearing his sidearm in a drop-leg holster like the other members of the team. He's the doorman -- his job is to blow the lock and get out of the way.
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I was up in a hick AZ town, far in the White Mountains, called Alpine over the weekend. I absolutely love this town. Everyone is direct. Open carry is everywhere.
One thing that jumped out at me in particular, given recent headlines, was the declaration at the Bear Wallow Cafe, of all places, that the Arizona State Militia provides the SWAT response to any needed situation, as duly arranged and coordinated with the local Sheriff. The fire department is volunteer, too (unrelated to the AZ Militia thing). I thought it was quite noteworthy that they referenced the AZ Militia as opposed to a county posse arrangement; Posse is quite popular in AZ as an adjunct to law enforcement and is used by many counties, including the most urban one: Maricopa county.
I thought that was rather unique. AZ Militia is a real thing, it's not made up innernetz bravado or Stormfront baloney.
There is NO Alpine PD. I didn't see any county Sheriff vehicles while I was up there. I did see a couple of AZ DPS vehicles, but that was it.
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I was up in a hick AZ town, far in the White Mountains, called Alpine over the weekend. I absolutely love this town. Everyone is direct. Open carry is everywhere.
One thing that jumped out at me in particular, given recent headlines, was the declaration at the Bear Wallow Cafe, of all places, that the Arizona State Militia provides the SWAT response to any needed situation, as duly arranged and coordinated with the local Sheriff. The fire department is volunteer, too (unrelated to the AZ Militia thing). I thought it was quite noteworthy that they referenced the AZ Militia as opposed to a county posse arrangement; Posse is quite popular in AZ as an adjunct to law enforcement and is used by many counties, including the most urban one: Maricopa county.
I thought that was rather unique. AZ Militia is a real thing, it's not made up innernetz bravado or Stormfront baloney.
There is NO Alpine PD. I didn't see any county Sheriff vehicles while I was up there. I did see a couple of AZ DPS vehicles, but that was it.
The Arizona State Militia may be a real thing, but it's not the official Arizona militia. That's the Arizona State Guard -- which is inactive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/26/00174.htm
Looks like the Arizona State Militia has stepped up to fill the gap left my the "official" state militia being inactive.
http://www.azstatemilitia.org/
Here's the web site of the official organization of state guards: https://sgaus.org/
Note: Not all states with official state guards belong to the association. My state doesn't, for example, even though we have an active state guard.
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So the report is basically that Daniel Defense does the same thing as pretty much every retailer in the country:
https://www.businessinsider.com/daniel-defense-guns-in-uvalde-buy-now-pay-later-2022-5
The "buy now and pay later scheme." Sure, only dastardly gun makers would use such a "scheme".
EDIT: Oh, interesting. I read this article last night and just saved the link to post today. I just now reread the article and it is significantly different this morning. "Scheme" and a bunch of other libelous stuff is missing in this morning's version.
Wayback happened to catch an earlier version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220530220722/https://www.businessinsider.com/daniel-defense-guns-in-uvalde-buy-now-pay-later-2022-5
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I have seen the "financing" offered on a number of websites. I generally ignore it.
By "ads targeting young people", are they talking about getting on their email list? Daniel Defense does send emails occasionally. I haven't noticed them targeting "young people", but people see what they want to see.
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I haven't noticed them targeting "young people", but people see what they want to see.
They seem to be insinuating that DD is tying into video games like Call of Duty, which I think are played by a lot more than "young people". The antis might want to check themselves on that tactic. I seem to remember that some in the pro-gun community were pushing video games as the cause in some past shootings, and the dems pretty rabidly called them out on blaming video games.
Video games can certainly be a discussion, but I think both sides might want to look at the mental state of individual video game players vs "people who play violent video games." Some of us can separate fantasy from reality while others can't.
Which, regarding mental state, apparently there are now photos floating around of the shooter with bags of bloodied and dead cats. It appears he had a fetish regarding torturing and killing animals, especially cats. He also talked about raping women. More and more overt signs, and oblivious parents that look to be drug-addled morons.
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He says the police were standing around in full gear near the door
Hero off-duty Border Patrol agent who armed himself with a barber’s shotgun just dropped a bomb on the Uvalde Police Department
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/31/hero-off-duty-border-patrol-agent-who-armed-himself-with-a-barbers-shotgun-just-dropped-a-bomb-on-the-uvalde-police-department/
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Which, regarding mental state, apparently there are now photos floating around of the shooter with bags of bloodied and dead cats. It appears he had a fetish regarding torturing and killing animals, especially cats. He also talked about raping women. More and more overt signs, and oblivious parents that look to be drug-addled morons.
I need a link. It's important, because IIRC the Parkland shooter also had a history of killing cats.
I need to document the parallels. (And there are a LOT of parallels.)
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I need a link. It's important, because IIRC the Parkland shooter also had a history of killing cats.
I need to document the parallels. (And there are a LOT of parallels.)
IIRC a few others as well
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I need a link. It's important, because IIRC the Parkland shooter also had a history of killing cats.
I need to document the parallels. (And there are a LOT of parallels.)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-video-shows-texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-holding-bag-dead-cats
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Which, regarding mental state, apparently there are now photos floating around of the shooter with bags of bloodied and dead cats. It appears he had a fetish regarding torturing and killing animals, especially cats. He also talked about raping women. More and more overt signs, and oblivious parents that look to be drug-addled morons.
An animal cruelty/mutilation fetish is a key indicator of psychopathy.
Brad
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Could be overblown, don't know
Aaron Katersky
@AaronKatersky
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde ISD police force are no longer cooperating with the @TxDPS
investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary and the state’s review of police response, multiple law enforcement sources told @ABC
w/ @JoshMargolin
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The decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after Col. Steven McCraw held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was “the wrong decision” and contrary to protocol
https://twitter.com/AaronKatersky/status/1531741990026629131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uvalde Police Department ‘no longer cooperating’ with state investigation into the school shooting
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/31/uvalde-police-department-no-longer-cooperating-with-state-investigation-into-the-school-shooting/
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Could be overblown, don't know
https://twitter.com/AaronKatersky/status/1531741990026629131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uvalde Police Department ‘no longer cooperating’ with state investigation into the school shooting
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/31/uvalde-police-department-no-longer-cooperating-with-state-investigation-into-the-school-shooting/
Surprise, surprise.
Where's my shocked face? I know I have it around here, somewhere.
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An animal cruelty/mutilation fetish is a key indicator of psychopathy.
Brad
I remember during the first day there was someone saying that there were no indicators in social media that would have alerted law enforcement. Sounds like either they weren't looking or this stuff wasn't in the usual places.
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Could be overblown, don't know
https://twitter.com/AaronKatersky/status/1531741990026629131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uvalde Police Department ‘no longer cooperating’ with state investigation into the school shooting
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/31/uvalde-police-department-no-longer-cooperating-with-state-investigation-into-the-school-shooting/
I am sure the ones who made the decision to NOT enter the classroom are the ones who ordered that non-cooperation.
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I remember during the first day there was someone saying that there were no indicators in social media that would have alerted law enforcement. Sounds like either they weren't looking or this stuff wasn't in the usual places.
They always say that then the next day you find out that indeed there were PLENTY of indicators.
I’m willing to bet this *expletive deleted*ck was very well known to the PD as well they just didn’t want to do anything because it would have hurt their funding and crime statistics. Just like Parkland.
I can’t think of very many active shooters in schools that didn’t fit this mold. It’s never truly a real suprise to the people who know them BUT the authorities have a vested interest in not stopping them
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Besides... politicians need school shootings.
"That kid is probably gonna do something stupid, and then we can stop it, and ask for more funding."
oops.
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I highly doubt that school shootings are specifically maliciously allowed to progress for mercenary reasons.
However, I also don't think that any of the suggested solutions to prevent future school shootings are intended to stop them. As with many legislative efforts the tragedy is simply a convenient excuse to bring about the laws they wanted to pass anyway. See PATRIOT act, COVID policy, etc.
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I highly doubt that school shootings are specifically maliciously allowed to progress for mercenary reasons.
However, I also don't think that any of the suggested solutions to prevent future school shootings are intended to stop them. As with many legislative efforts the tragedy is simply a convenient excuse to bring about the laws they wanted to pass anyway. See PATRIOT act, COVID policy, etc.
This
Never let a tragedy go to waste
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I highly doubt that school shootings are specifically maliciously allowed to progress for mercenary reasons.
However, I also don't think that any of the suggested solutions to prevent future school shootings are intended to stop them. As with many legislative efforts the tragedy is simply a convenient excuse to bring about the laws they wanted to pass anyway. See PATRIOT act, COVID policy, etc.
I agree with that. I think their indifference to the deaths and single minded focus on using the tragedy makes it appear to be malicious especially when they roll out their media campaigns without minutes of the tragedy occurring.
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NPR
@NPR
The AR-15 is designed to blow targets apart. Its bullets travel with such velocity that they can decapitate an adult.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/01/npr-does-their-part-to-stop-gun-violence-by-peddling-blatant-disinformation-about-ar-15s/
This is where the unbiased and respected NPR got their information:
https://theintercept.com/2022/05/26/ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-vietnam-war/
All about the AR-15 in Vietnam.
Oh, and The Intercept got their information from Gawker.
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I agree with that. I think their indifference to the deaths and single minded focus on using the tragedy makes it appear to be malicious especially when they roll out their media campaigns without minutes of the tragedy occurring.
They merely wait for their stage cue, their lines were already scripted.
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(https://64.media.tumblr.com/74767ce741f566f096cb03337a439572/37c363b5b50ecf6c-0e/s1280x1920/8718faf940bcdd54e72e18531f380bbd13fca379.jpg)
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/01/npr-does-their-part-to-stop-gun-violence-by-peddling-blatant-disinformation-about-ar-15s/
This is where the unbiased and respected NPR got their information:
https://theintercept.com/2022/05/26/ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-vietnam-war/
All about the AR-15 in Vietnam.
Oh, and The Intercept got their information from Gawker.
... and a 9x19 round will blow a lung out of the body ...
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... and a 9x19 round will blow a lung out of the body ...
Biden said THE lung.
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Won't work, as Jan 6th proves. Of course there's the argument over the nature of the Jan 6th events but side-stepping that and giving it all the animosity and violence the left attributes to it, the cops did nothing. Just like Uvalde.
You can't BUY your way out of the problem.
(Yes, I know it's the Bee).
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And they would have to put a fence up and we all know fences don't work
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They are now rolling back the story about the teacher propping open the door.
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Link?
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Nevermind
They have now determined that the teacher, who has not been identified, propped the door open with a rock, but then removed the rock and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety. But, Considine said, the door did not lock.
Says confirmed by additional footage
Door Propped-Open by Uvalde Teacher Was Verified Closed Before Gunman Arrived: DPS
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/teacher-closed-propped-open-door-before-uvalde-school-shooting-police/2981940/
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So not good: https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/01/uvalde-school-district-calls-the-cops-on-reporters/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/01/uvalde-school-district-calls-the-cops-on-reporters/)
The school district is calling the police on reporters claiming that their offices are private property and asking the police to criminally trespass the reporters.
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So not good: https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/01/uvalde-school-district-calls-the-cops-on-reporters/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/01/uvalde-school-district-calls-the-cops-on-reporters/)
The school district is calling the police on reporters claiming that their offices are private property and asking the police to criminally trespass the reporters.
School officials need to learn what being a public school really means.
On the other hand, lots of reporters could use a few lessons in respect and decorum.
Brad
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Nevermind
Says confirmed by additional footage
Door Propped-Open by Uvalde Teacher Was Verified Closed Before Gunman Arrived: DPS
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/teacher-closed-propped-open-door-before-uvalde-school-shooting-police/2981940/
It's still procedural neglect on the part of a unionized and heavily protected workforce.
Chances are the door has one of those push-bars that can be locked in the open position with a hex key through a hole in the push-bar.
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/productimages/a606184c-aead-4781-a8f5-81ade4eb3fea/11365710.jpg)
Out of convenience, it was unlocked so that someone could exit and enter repeatedly. Sounds like the school was having a bunch of classroom parties at the end of the school year and teachers were using the door to bring things in and out. There's an "informal" way to prop the door open that is taken for granted: the rock. Then evidently someone went and requested a more formal unlock procedure from a janitor or groundskeeper, and the door was deliberately unlocked. But the teacher pool was not unified in knowing exactly how the door was currently secured, or how to go about ensuring it was secured when confronted with a gunman. And the person who disabled the lock did not respond immediately to the weak point in the security.
That's still a human error.
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boomhauer noted,
"I can’t think of very many active shooters in schools that didn’t fit this mold. It’s never truly a real suprise to the people who know them BUT the authorities have a vested interest in not stopping them..."
It's worth thinking about that point.
SWAT pic
(https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=66673.0;attach=4234;image)
All that iron would have done more good in the hands of the teachers.
Terry, 230RN
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California Senate Passes Bill No Longer Requiring Teachers To Report Certain Student Incidents To Law Enforcement
https://www.dailywire.com/news/california-senate-passes-bill-no-longer-requiring-teachers-to-report-certain-student-incidents-to-law-enforcement
I am not sure this is as bad as it sounds, but interesting they would pass this now.
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot. That is one magic rifle.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1532021577440706560
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot. That is one magic rifle.
To be fair, it does turn victims to dust if they have to wait for Uvalde police to respond.
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Door Propped-Open by Uvalde Teacher Was Verified Closed Before Gunman Arrived: DPS
Another good reason to keep the doors closed:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-mountain-lion-high-school-classroom
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YaUgn72o3Q
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Chances are the door has one of those push-bars that can be locked in the open position with a hex key through a hole in the push-bar.
...
Out of convenience, it was unlocked so that someone could exit and enter repeatedly. Sounds like the school was having a bunch of classroom parties at the end of the school year and teachers were using the door to bring things in and out. There's an "informal" way to prop the door open that is taken for granted: the rock. Then evidently someone went and requested a more formal unlock procedure from a janitor or groundskeeper, and the door was deliberately unlocked. But the teacher pool was not unified in knowing exactly how the door was currently secured, or how to go about ensuring it was secured when confronted with a gunman. And the person who disabled the lock did not respond immediately to the weak point in the security.
That's still a human error.
Do you have a link? Or is this speculation?
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot. That is one magic rifle.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1532021577440706560
Well, now everyone's going to want one.
I think this sort of talk persuades more psychos to upgrade their shooting spree weapons.
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According to The View the problem is Christian nationalism
Which they also blame for slavery and racism
yeah........
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-cohost-blames-christian-nationalism-mass-shootings
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot. That is one magic rifle.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1532021577440706560
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/90d47090ae24713cd5e8485cbedc76f5/tumblr_neh0iw6iOo1sl21koo1_540.gifv)
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Do you have a link? Or is this speculation?
Just speculation. I worked for a school district for about 5 years though, as an IT tech. Teachers are great ones for disregarding policy.
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The AR has now been upgraded to "turning people into dust" when shot. That is one magic rifle.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1532021577440706560
Imagine this: An AR15 chambered in..................... 9mm!
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Uvalde Incident Commander Ordered Border Patrol Not to Enter Classroom During Massacre
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/2/headlines/uvalde_incident_commander_ordered_border_patrol_not_to_enter_classroom_during_massacre
Maybe not new news. The police guy seems determined not to go after the shooter.
Arredondo told CNN he’ll talk about the massacre when “families quit grieving.”
That could be decades from now if never. Stupid statement.
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Uvalde Incident Commander Ordered Border Patrol Not to Enter Classroom During Massacre
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/2/headlines/uvalde_incident_commander_ordered_border_patrol_not_to_enter_classroom_during_massacre
Maybe not new news. The police guy seems determined not to go after the shooter.
That could be decades from now if never. Stupid statement.
Yeah, heard something a couple of days ago that the guys who went in and took out the kid went in against orders.
Haven't found any confirmation on that but I can believe it based on what's been coming out.
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House Democrats want to probe role Border Patrol played in Uvalde response: 'This tragedy raises questions'
https://www.theblaze.com/news/house-democrats-probe-border-patrol-uvalde-response
House Democrats on the Homeland Security Committee sent a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas asking him to explain the Border Patrol's role in the Uvalde response.
"While details surrounding the horrific shooting at Robb Elementary School are still emerging, it has been reported that U.S. Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC) agents and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents brought this deadly incident to an end when they contravened local law enforcement’s decision not to engage and entered the classroom and killed the shooter," the letter stated.
The administrative punishment is ramping up.
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And right on cue maybe confirmation
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House Democrats want to probe role Border Patrol played in Uvalde response: 'This tragedy raises questions'
https://www.theblaze.com/news/house-democrats-probe-border-patrol-uvalde-response
The administrative punishment is ramping up.
The Democrats wanted a larger death toll. It works better for them politically.
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The administrative punishment is ramping up.
The only real punishment they're interested in actually dishing out is against law abiding gun owners
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Make that DERANGED law abiding gun owners
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes trips over the Founders while slamming ‘deranged’ interpretation of the 2nd Amendment
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/06/04/msnbcs-chris-hayes-trips-over-the-founders-while-slamming-deranged-interpretation-of-the-2nd-amendment/
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Uvalde mom handcuffed by 'coward' cops for trying to rush in and save her kids inside school says police threatened her with probation violation for obstruction of justice if she spoke to media
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10884403/Uvalde-mom-handcuffed-coward-cops-trying-rush-save-kids-says-cops-threatened-her.html
She said she was called by an officer who said she would be hit with legal trouble over a charge against her from over a decade ago. But she insisted she would not be cowed and would continue sharing her story after the judge ruling over her previous case said she would be fine.
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In Uvalde, A Picture Is Emerging Of Extreme Cowardice And Incompetence Among Local Police
https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/in-uvalde-a-picture-is-emerging-of-extreme-cowardice-and-incompetence-among-local-police/
I just thought this information should be reposted.
At the news conference, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the on-scene commander mistakenly believed that the shooter had barricaded himself in the classroom and that “there were no kids at risk,” which is just a euphemism for believing that all the kids in the classroom had already been killed. Pressed on this by reporters in a series of tense exchanges, McCraw at one point said, “From the benefit of hindsight where I’m sitting now, of course it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision. Period.”
Who made that decision? McCraw said that the on-scene commander was the chief of police of the Uvalde school district, a man named Pete Arredondo. Chief Arredondo was not at the press conference, and no one has heard from him since Tuesday.
I see a some people online getting this confused. The school district had a Chief of Police. There were armed officers in or near the school. I haven't seen any info on what they were doing or where they were when all this started. And as the article points out, why would that guy think it was a hostage situation when they had kids calling from inside the room saying they were being killed?
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Texas school shooting: Sister of Uvalde police officer says cops 'did not retreat'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas-school-shooting-sister-uvalde-officer-police-retreat
"They did not retreat until the shooter was down. They were in there the entire time. People don't understand, people think nobody was inside during that time. They were inside, they just couldn’t get to the shooter. The shooter would come out and shoot at them. There was no way for them to just go in there and shoot," said Chapa.
This quote jumped out at me. If he was coming out to shoot at them, couldn't they shoot back? If it was just one time maybe.
I guess I am trying to picture in my mind what everyone was doing. Were they just outside the door or down the hall around the corner? Surveillance video would be very helpful to understand what was happening during all that time.
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Do they not have rope and lampposts in Uvalde?
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One thing I just don't understand about this crime. I thought police in America were falling all over themselves to murder homo sapiens of color.
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More info on the murderer's behavior:
https://thinkcivics.com/has-anyone-highlighted-this-key-detail-about-the-texas-shooters-background-check/
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That could be decades from now if never. Stupid statement.
Not stupid at all. It's called "evasion." He's counting on the incident having passed out of the national conscience before the families end their grieving -- that means he'll never have to talk to the press.
He was just elected to the cit council. I wonder if he'll have the balls to show up for meetings.
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More info on the murderer's behavior:
https://thinkcivics.com/has-anyone-highlighted-this-key-detail-about-the-texas-shooters-background-check/
Does NICS really flag an address for a having a prohibited possessor? I remember G. Gordon Liddy saying his wife had quite a nice firearm collection. And nobody went after them for having guns in the house.
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Does NICS really flag an address for a having a prohibited possessor? I remember G. Gordon Liddy saying his wife had quite a nice firearm collection. And nobody went after them for having guns in the house.
I don't seem to recall them giving the address during the phone call. I could be wrong on that since it's been awhile since a KY CCDW bypasses the need to call
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Does NICS really flag an address for a having a prohibited possessor?
I don't think so.
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Interesting thread on how Everytown, et al inflate their "school shooting" numbers:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/05/dishonest-nonsense-epic-thread-uses-everytowns-school-shooting-data-to-show-how-gun-grabbers-manipulate-and-inflate-numbers-to-scare-people/
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At least one of the victim's families has contacted the same lawyer involved in the Remington Sandy Hook lawsuit and it looks like he's working on getting a lawsuit going.
Will Daniel Defense Get Sued?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC6mulY4vuQ
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In new heights of Democrat douchebaggery they are having the 11 year old survivor of the Uvalde school shooting appear before a hearing committee, A traumatized 11 year old who I am sure will break down multiple times from the questions in order to help them further their agenda.
This is a new high in douchebaggery by these scumbag politicians.
I am not sure who is worse, her father for allowing this for their 15 minutes of fame or the committee members for going ahead with it. It's a toss up for me.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/still-facing-nightmares-uvalde-survivor-miah-cerrillo-11-will-testify-at-house-hearing-on-guns/ar-AAYaq4n?cvid=93e7bd235aae4fa29aa4d9c56eabbfb0
bob
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My vote goes for the parents. We know the politicrats have no shame. Parents should care more about their offspring.
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They probably told the parents that Harvard was a done deal.
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Somewhat related:
Sumdood "aggressively" attempted to get into an elementary school in Alabama but was unable to because the doors were locked. The principal locked down the school. The resource officer called the police, who shot sumdood.
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/police-shoot-man-aggressively-trying-to-get-into-alabama-elementary-school-official-say-walnut-park-gasden-city-schools-superintendent-tony-reddick-gadsdenetowah-county-emergency-management-agency-lockdown-students-teachers-staff-education-safety
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Somewhat related:
Sumdood "aggressively" attempted to get into an elementary school in Alabama but was unable to because the doors were locked. The principal locked down the school. The resource officer called the police, who shot sumdood.
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/police-shoot-man-aggressively-trying-to-get-into-alabama-elementary-school-official-say-walnut-park-gasden-city-schools-superintendent-tony-reddick-gadsdenetowah-county-emergency-management-agency-lockdown-students-teachers-staff-education-safety
Jesus. What an awful story. No word on if "aggressive" guy was armed or not. No word on how he was "aggressive." Yelling for a particular kid? Other weird behavior? Just that cops shot him after SRO called for backup.
Kinda cracks me up that SRO called for backup; no word on if he exchanged any dialogue with, gave orders to, or traded shots with the reported threat. I half-expect we'll hear that this "hero" hunkered inside behind the safety of a cinder block wall and wasn't involved in any interaction with the reported threat.
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A little more info:
https://abc3340.com/news/local/authorities-respond-to-incident-near-walnut-park-elementary-school-in-gadsden-alabama-ema-police-emergency-june-9-2022
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/uvalde-cops-knew-kids-were-still-alive-inside-the-school-and-waited-outside-anyway-report
“Heavily armed officers delayed confronting a gunman in Uvalde, Texas, for more than an hour despite supervisors at the scene being told that some trapped with him in two elementary school classrooms were in need of medical treatment, a new review of video footage and other investigative material shows,” Times reporter J. David Goodman wrote, citing footage from officers’ body cameras and documentation compiled after the shooting. “Instead, the documents show, they waited for protective equipment to lower the risk to law enforcement officers.”
“The school district police chief, who was leading the response to the May 24 shooting, appeared to be agonizing over the length of time it was taking to secure the shields that would help protect officers when they entered and to find a key for the classroom doors,” Goodman added.
New excuse I hadn't heard about. I am really curious how often their SWAT team and other cops use those shields when doing no-knock raids.
Not to mention that it raises the question of how prepared they were since these shields were not readily available at each school or in their cars. Also, it was said before they had done a drill not too long prior to this. I guess that drill was pretty useless.
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Be sitting down
Arredondo told the Texas Tribune's @James_Barragan and @zachdespart that he dropped his police and campus radios outside the school seconds after arriving at the northeast entrance of Robb Elementary.
— Chron (@chron) June 10, 2022
The Tribune's report includes claims from the police chief that he had no idea he was in charge of the police response inside the school.https://t.co/fMITOV39p1
— Chron (@chron) June 10, 2022
You're the *expletive deleted*ing Chief!
Uvalde CISD Police Chief Pete Arredondo says ‘he didn’t know he was in charge,’ ditched his radios ‘on purpose’ because of the ‘whiplike antenna’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/10/uvalde-cisd-police-chief-pete-arredondo-says-he-didnt-know-he-was-in-charge-ditched-his-radios-on-purpose-because-of-the-whiplike-antenna-a/
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That's kinda like Biden forgetting he is president.
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Be sitting down
You're the *expletive deleted*ing Chief!
Uvalde CISD Police Chief Pete Arredondo says ‘he didn’t know he was in charge,’ ditched his radios ‘on purpose’ because of the ‘whiplike antenna’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/10/uvalde-cisd-police-chief-pete-arredondo-says-he-didnt-know-he-was-in-charge-ditched-his-radios-on-purpose-because-of-the-whiplike-antenna-a/
He also claimed the classroom door couldn't be breached because the frame was reinforced steel (or some such BS).
Nonsense. If it was built like just about every other school in the entire country, the door frames are steel (not "reinforced"), and the doors open out -- to facilitate emergency egress. So they wouldn't have been able to make it open in, even with a battering ram, but a breaching round should have made short work of the lock.
Also, he claims he tried something like 50 keys, and none of them worked. Hello -- he's the CHIEF of the school's police department. He doesn't have a master key?
[Edit to add] https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/retired-police-react-to-uvalde-cisd-chiefs-account-of-school-shooting-response/
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This just in:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arredondo-uvalde-schools-police-chief-interview-police-response/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b
Once again, some animals are more equal than others.
About a week after the shooting, department of public safety officials said Arredondo was no longer cooperating with the agency and had not responded to interview requests from the Texas Rangers, the agency's investigative unit.
Arredondo's attorney, George E. Hyde, told the Tribune for Thursday's story that Arredondo could not do an interview on the day the Rangers asked because he was covering shifts for his officers. Hyde said Arredondo is willing to cooperate with the Rangers investigation but would like to see a transcript of his previous comments.
"That's a fair thing to ask for before he has to then discuss it again because, as time goes by, all the information that he hears, it's hard to keep straight," Hyde said.
In other words, Chief Arredondo wants to be sure his story stays consistent. His attorney thinks that's "a fair thing." I wonder if police and prosecutors around the country think it would be fair to provide all suspects with transcripts of their original statements when they are later re-interviewed. After all, "It's hard to keep straight."
An engineer I worked with a long time ago used to advise interns to always tell the truth, because (as he put it) "It's much easier than trying to remember what you told the other guy."
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Hmmm ...
Not only are shootings at schools not a uniquely American phenomenon ... the number of people killed and injured by attacks on schools in other countries, with other weapons, is staggering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools#cite_note-74
FWIW, I am also finding that even this list isn't complete. I have already found three other incidents -- outside of the U.S. -- with multiple victims. And two of them involved GUNZ!!!!
And then, of course, there's Beslan ...
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Damn, there is a lot of crazy packed into that list.
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Damn, there is a lot of crazy packed into that list.
And that's the point. The problem is the crazies, not the GUNZ!!!!! But the politicians don't have an easy answer for dealing with crazies, so it's easier to demonize GUNZ!!!!!
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And that's the point. The problem is the crazies, not the GUNZ!!!!! But the politicians don't have an easy answer for dealing with crazies, so it's easier to demonize GUNZ!!!!!
We used to have an answer for the crazies
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I've pointed out Bath Michigan quite a few times to people who insist this is something now
1927, 44 dead, 58 injured
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Count the number times China is on the list
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I've pointed out Bath Michigan quite a few times to people who insist this is something now
1927, 44 dead, 58 injured
Correct. And no GUNZ!!!! involved. Just good, old-fashioned dynamite.
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Count the number times China is on the list
And, with one exception, none of those involved guns. Just knives, axes, and machetes.
Since 2010, China has seen 90 dead and 473 injured in school attacks. But our politicians and media are telling us that these school attacks only happen in the United States, and that if we just ban GUNZ!!!! they can't ever happen.
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And that's the point. The problem is the crazies, not the GUNZ!!!!! But the politicians don't have an easy answer for dealing with crazies, so it's easier to demonize GUNZ!!!!!
You are wrong. They do have a plan for the crazy people, and that plan is keep them on the streets to add chaos and stress to your life. There are no more mental asylums because of the political desire to reshape our nation; the crazy people are a tool to make the population dissatisfied enough to accept whatever tyranny is presented, because people just want the stressors to stop and once you're stressed far enough you won't be able to think rationally.
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You are wrong. They do have a plan for the crazy people, and that plan is keep them on the streets to add chaos and stress to your life. There are no more mental asylums because of the political desire to reshape our nation; the crazy people are a tool to make the population dissatisfied enough to accept whatever tyranny is presented, because people just want the stressors to stop and once you're stressed far enough you won't be able to think rationally.
Be careful asking for the sanatoriums and asylums to come back, especially in context of involuntary commitment.
They're pushing for the Red Flag stuff already. No need to combine the two.
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He was the chief officer for school security, didn't know he was in charge at the scene, dropped his radio since he figured it wouldn't work in the school, and waited for shields and keys. And that's what he claimed before he lawyered up. Please explain why Chief Pete Arredondo is still employed.
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Please explain why Chief Pete Arredondo is still employed.
Public sector unions.
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Speaking of Pete Arredondo -- and Uvalde -- There hasn't been any news about the actual shooting, or the investigation, or any updates on exactly what Arredondo did and didn't do for several days. The politicians continue to use the shooting as an excuse to push for gun control, but have there been any updates on finding out how it all unfolded?
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Speaking of Pete Arredondo -- and Uvalde -- There hasn't been any news about the actual shooting, or the investigation, or any updates on exactly what Arredondo did and didn't do for several days. The politicians continue to use the shooting as an excuse to push for gun control, but have there been any updates on finding out how it all unfolded?
No. They have what they need; any actual investigation would probably ruin the narrative.
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The optics of this don't look bad at all. Not.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/18/1106017340/uvalde-legal-loophole-mass-shooting-records?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR0IcZKz9BvKBK_hL1FQxYnp_-7RFuX_JRmTKVM5QBSb9yuqgvuvYnRirp0
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The optics of this don't look bad at all. Not.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/18/1106017340/uvalde-legal-loophole-mass-shooting-records?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR0IcZKz9BvKBK_hL1FQxYnp_-7RFuX_JRmTKVM5QBSb9yuqgvuvYnRirp0
Yeah, that came out a few days ago. The point is that the city's "brief" is full of "mays" and short on "shalls" and "shall nots." And the exemption only says they are not required to release information, it doesn't say they can't do so.
Cover-up.
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And now we have this
BREAKING: Surveillance video from inside Robb Elementary School shows that police never attempted to open either of the two classroom doors that housed the shooter-mass murderer and his victims-children/teachers.
— BNN Newsroom (@BNNBreaking) June 19, 2022
“In the 77 minutes between the time a gunman entered the rooms and massacred 21 people and officers stormed in and killed him," the San Antonio Express-News reported, citing "a law enforcement source close to the investigation."
— BNN Newsroom (@BNNBreaking) June 19, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/19/they-lied-surveillance-video-from-inside-robb-elementary-school-shows-police-never-attempted-to-open-either-of-the-two-classroom-doors/
Now we know why they were trying to keep a lid on the video
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Before we succumb to the propaganda that good men with guns can stop bad men with guns, we have to get the good men to grow a pair.
No, we have to get it into our heads that the "good guy with a gun" can be anyone. It doesn't have to be someone with a badge.
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Before we succumb to the propaganda that good men with guns can stop bad men with guns, we have to get the good men to grow a pair.
When dozens of armed, sworn law enforcement agents stand around in the corridor while a gunman is shooting kids and the kids are lying just beyond the door, bleeding out ... I respectfully decline to categorize those law enforcement officers as "good men." As the late Ann Landers used to say in her advice column, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." Those officers -- every last one of them -- needs to turn in his badge and take a job flipping burgers somewhere.,
S.O.P. for active shooters has been for the first responding officer(s) to go in -- immediately -- ever since Columbine. A shooter attacked a kids' day camp in Dallas this morning -- cops arrived within two minutes and took him out before anyone was shot. That's how it's supposed to be done.
Supposedly there had been an active shooter training in Uvalde within two months prior to the event. Chief Arredondo posted about it -- proudly. So why didn't he and his officers (and the city's officers) follow the protocol? I'd like very much to know what they trained for in that drill.
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I'm at the get a rope point
BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/0BcYgq2hcQ
— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022
Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.
— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/20/new-video-shows-the-police-response-to-the-uvalde-school-shooting-was-even-worse-than-weve-been-told/
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We could have shot him outside, we could have shot him inside but we didn't do a fing thing not a fing thing.
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I'm at the get a rope point
I'm at the burn the PD to the ground point.
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I'm at the burn the PD to the ground point.
So you want to go the 93% Peaceful route?
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So you want to go the 93% Peaceful route?
Yes, and 7% recycling.
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Have any of you seen video from inside the school?
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/interior-images-uvalde-police/269-b1be96cb-aa8a-4edc-aa51-d4cbd41382f4
I saw this link, but it just shows an image and reviews the timeline. The news guy said he saw the video, but maybe it hasn't been officially released. Interesting that he says at one point officers took fire and back off, but he says it seemed there was never a good effort to regroup and try again.
I know how things can be when we have process problems or a compressor shuts down at work. Time can fly by in stressful situations. I imagine an event like this is worse. To the officers involved, it may not have seemed like it took that long. But that goes back to the active shooter training. I wonder if this event might lead to changes in that training.
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All the training in the world won’t help if you don’t have people willing to follow it.
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Donut Operator -- Uvalde School Breakdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqfRpU_91A&t=95s
Donut operator does a live stream on the incident. Starts off with testimony at the state senate hearing on the event by the head of the Texas DPS. He doesn't sound too happy with what happened. Just getting started on it myself.
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Uvalde shooting: Robb Elementary School to be demolished - mayor
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61890558
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Uvalde shooting: Robb Elementary School to be demolished - mayor
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61890558
They should make the Uvalde school system police chief demolish that school. By himself. With only hand tools. It would take him nearly forever, and be a daily reminder for him of how he killed is responsible for the deaths of many of those kids.
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Watched the replay of Donut's stream.
Absolutely negligent behavior on the part of the scene commander/chief. They had seven officers on scene in three minutes. The chief repeatedly stopped cops who were preparing to storm the room and told them to wait for this or that. After they had guys in plate carriers, after they had shields, after they had a door breaching tool. NONE OF WHICH ARE REQUIRED DURING AN ACTIVE SHOOTER.
Multiple exterior doors on the school were unlocked. The door that had been propped open by the teacher was closed and latched, but was entirely unlocked. Locksmith says that the lock was operational but the strikeplate was defective meaning that even if it had been locked it would have still opened.
Cop radios did not work within the school (with the exception of border patrol's).
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And apparently their recent "active shooter training/drill" did not actually look at any of those technical details.
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My wife and I were watching the NBC news the other night about the doors being unlocked, video of equipped officers with rifles and shields in the corridor, etc. I commented to her that just when I thought the police response could not look any worse, I am proven wrong.
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just when I thought the police response could not look any worse, I am proven wrong.
EVERY damned "update" that comes out makes them look worse.
While I DO NOT advocate someone taking their own life, there are a handful of people involved in this travesty that really should consider it as their best option.
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Saw where one of the teachers that died called her husband, who is a cop, to say she’d been shot and was dying. Cops on scene prevented him from rescuing his wife, disarmed and detained him.
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Saw where one of the teachers that died called her husband, who is a cop, to say she’d been shot and was dying. Cops on scene prevented him from rescuing his wife, disarmed and detained him.
Steven Crowder talked about it quite a bit on his show today. He mentioned that. I hadn't heard that until recently.
I think there are a few cops that need to never talk to that officer ever again. Might want to find another place to work.
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Saw where one of the teachers that died called her husband, who is a cop, to say she’d been shot and was dying. Cops on scene prevented him from rescuing his wife, disarmed and detained him.
Yeah, saw that story. It's bad, extra bad. Can't imagine what I'd be doing if I were in his shoes now. Several things come to mind, none of which I will post to this (or any) forum.
Brad
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! Chief Arredondo placed on administrative leave.#Statement from Uvalde school superintendent pic.twitter.com/CfnTWwJD0Z
— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) June 22, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/22/uvalde-school-district-chief-of-police-pete-arredondo-placed-on-administrative-leave/
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Level IIIA ballistic shields? That's some kinda training they got going there.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-officers-ballistic-shields-woudnt-have-stopped-rifle-rounds-hesitation-cost-lives
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Rifle-rated shields are heavy as hell.
But as so many have said, no shield is a prerequisite for solving the problem.
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The mom they handcuffed for trying to go in to get her children is claiming the PD is harassing her
Uvalde police reported harassing hero mom
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/29/uvalde-police-3-n59852
Uvalde Police Harassing Hero Mom
https://www.based-politics.com/2022/06/28/uvalde-police-harassing-hero-mom/
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/02/us/pete-arredondo-resigns-uvalde-city-council/index.html
Mr. Arredondo is no longer on the Uvalde City Council.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/02/us/pete-arredondo-resigns-uvalde-city-council/index.html
Mr. Arredondo is no longer on the Uvalde City Council.
Good to hear. Hopefully, that is NOT due to making some sort of deal.
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The mom they handcuffed for trying to go in to get her children is claiming the PD is harassing her
Uvalde police reported harassing hero mom
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/29/uvalde-police-3-n59852
Uvalde Police Harassing Hero Mom
https://www.based-politics.com/2022/06/28/uvalde-police-harassing-hero-mom/
She needs take pictures/video and log those events. Maybe even set up a youtube channel and livestream it. I imagine there are judges that won't look well on harassment.
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Kid walked into the classroom and immediately fired more than 100* rounds
Exclusive video shows police responding to shooting inside Robb Elementary School
https://www.statesman.com/videos/news/2022/07/12/uvalde-school-shooting-video-police-robb-elementary-shooter/10029441002/
*more than 100 according to the text in the video
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Kid walked into the classroom and immediately fired more than 100* rounds
Exclusive video shows police responding to shooting inside Robb Elementary School
https://www.statesman.com/videos/news/2022/07/12/uvalde-school-shooting-video-police-robb-elementary-shooter/10029441002/
*more than 100 according to the text in the video
11:28 Truck crashes.
11:29 Gunman shoots at and misses 2 men who approach the crash scene.
11:31 Gunman shoots at school, first 911 call logged with description of incident (active shooter)
11:33 massacre of children in classroom.
11:36 first officers arrive.
11:37 they completely yielded the hallway and door in question. Retreated ~30 yards from the door. Gunman had a rifle, responding officers have a mix of AR carbines and pistols presented.
11:52 the first ballistic shield arrives.
12:09 a trio of ballistic shields establish a barricade ~30 yards from the door of the classroom.
12:21 Three officers advance on the room WITHOUT THE SHIELDS, two of the shield bearers appear caught off-guard and advance halfway behind the rest of the stack. One shield left behind with no one carrying it.
12:30 All three shields are down there, somewhere. Can't see much, it's a mess of donut crumbs or something, and someone needs to use the wall mounted hand sanitizer dispenser. (yes, sarcasm)
12:50 A mess of gunshots and shouting, there appears to be some sort of restraint of purple gloved individuals eager to get down there, which I assume are EMT's or at least officers assigned the task of immediate first response to injured parties. Lots of chaotic shouting, messy leadership.
All this bullscat about "we didn't have shields" and the truth of the matter is they didn't know what to do with them anyways, and when someone (I think Border Patrol... the leads in the push were wearing OD gear rather than city blue) lead the push, the shields were caught flat-footed and out of the lead of the entry team.
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WTF happened to flashbangs? Or are those only issued to no-knock teams to burn babies in cribs?
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Anyone hear how many were still left alive when the police entered the room?
I think there was at least one based on the story of the kid who hid in her friends blood.
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Anyone hear how many were still left alive when the police entered the room?
I think there was at least one based on the story of the kid who hid in her friends blood.
I thought I remember 7, but I don't know what the final number was.
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11:28 Truck crashes.
11:29 Gunman shoots at and misses 2 men who approach the crash scene.
11:31 Gunman shoots at school, first 911 call logged with description of incident (active shooter)
11:33 massacre of children in classroom.
11:36 first officers arrive.
11:37 they completely yielded the hallway and door in question. Retreated ~30 yards from the door. Gunman had a rifle, responding officers have a mix of AR carbines and pistols presented.
11:52 the first ballistic shield arrives.
12:09 a trio of ballistic shields establish a barricade ~30 yards from the door of the classroom.
12:21 Three officers advance on the room WITHOUT THE SHIELDS, two of the shield bearers appear caught off-guard and advance halfway behind the rest of the stack. One shield left behind with no one carrying it.
12:30 All three shields are down there, somewhere. Can't see much, it's a mess of donut crumbs or something, and someone needs to use the wall mounted hand sanitizer dispenser. (yes, sarcasm)
12:50 A mess of gunshots and shouting, there appears to be some sort of restraint of purple gloved individuals eager to get down there, which I assume are EMT's or at least officers assigned the task of immediate first response to injured parties. Lots of chaotic shouting, messy leadership.
All this bullscat about "we didn't have shields" and the truth of the matter is they didn't know what to do with them anyways, and when someone (I think Border Patrol... the leads in the push were wearing OD gear rather than city blue) lead the push, the shields were caught flat-footed and out of the lead of the entry team.
Makes you wonder what they actually did during the "active shooter" training that was done. Dynamic entry of a classroom would seem to be something recommended to practice. But the news about this whole event shows no one believed anything would ever happen and didn't take security seriously.
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Some people see only what they want to see
The Uvalde video puts to bed, forever, the question of whether the way to deal with bad guys with guns is to make sure there are more good guys with guns.
We've always known it was a gun industry created lie, designed to sell more guns. Now we just have the gut wrenching proof.
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) July 13, 2022
Sen. Chris Murphy says new Uvalde video shows that ‘good guys with guns’ was a lie designed to sell more guns
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/13/sen-chris-murphy-says-new-uvalde-video-shows-that-good-guys-with-guns-was-a-lie-designed-to-sell-more-guns/
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Well, the "good guy with the gun" sort of needs to be there...
And... This would work hand-in-hand with the elimination of the gun free zones for eligible faculty and staff... If there MIGHT be someone armed there, they'll chose another place for their tantrum.
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I still stand by the argument that you cannot BUY your way out of this problem, nor can you BAN your way out of this problem.
Hiring cops to be dedicated to schools doesn't work, as evidenced by Uvalde and Stoneman Douglas.
Arming teachers won't work unless the gunman chooses a room where the teacher is armed, and the teacher is fore-warned by prior signals (gunshots from outside the classroom prior to entry, an alarm or announcement, etc).
Banning guns wont work because there's 400 million of them out there and you'd have a civil war if you tried to collect any significant portion of them.
You can only BRAVE your way out of this.
I've seen this posted around on FB:
(https://pics.me.me/teachers-loving-and-defending-our-kids-teachers-loving-and-effectively-30932111.png)
Don't like it. Loving has nothing to do with it, nor does any sense of altruism. We've just spend the last 2 years listening to teachers endorse gender dysphoria and seeing some creepy behavior from educators regarding child grooming and predation. All that's needed to solve the school shooting problem is for teachers to be willing to defend THEMSELVES. Not PAID to do it. Not given guns and training at tax payer expense. Not extra licenses or extra shiny badges or titles or other bullshit. Just some honest self preservation.
You can't BUY your way out of this. You can't BAN your way out of this. You can only BRAVE your way out of this.
Because obviously the cops won't.
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How many times can it get worse?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/egregious-poor-decision-making-nearly-400-cops-gathered-at-uvalde-school-before-anyone-did-anything
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Makes you wonder what they actually did during the "active shooter" training that was done. Dynamic entry of a classroom would seem to be something recommended to practice. But the news about this whole event shows no one believed anything would ever happen and didn't take security seriously.
They never do -- that's the crux of the problem.
The Sandy Hook Elementary School had just installed a new security system. It was a 2-way intercom that allowed staff in the front office to identify visitors before buzzing them in. Ever hear the expression "Locks are made for honest people"? The school put in their intercom system, but nobody bothered to think about the fact that the front doors -- and large windows on either side of the front doors -- were plate glass. Not bullet-resistant plate glass -- that costs money -- just plain old, garden variety tempered glass. When you shoot tempered glass you don't get a bullet hole -- the entire pane shatters into pieces about the size of peas, or small marbles.
My local high school did a major addition and renovation not long after Columbine. SECURITY was the mantra. Yet the architects called for large plate glass (tempered, not bullet-resistant) sidelights adjacent to every classroom in the new addition. I pointed out that this was a major security issue. The deputy chief of police was consulted, and he agreed that was "dumb." The formal response from the school board was, "The architect likes them." So they stayed.
In the aftermath of Sandy Hook, the town next to mine proudly announced that they had upgraded security at their grammar school. What they did, of course, was top secret, so I wasn't able to get any answers through normal channels. However, I had known the building inspector there for more than 30 years, since he was just starting a contracting business. So I called him and asked him what the new security system was. He laughed (in an unpleasant way). They installed the exact same system that DIDN'T work at Sandy Hook.
The bottom line is that school boards pay lip service to school security but they don't know what that really requires, and they aren't willing to expend the effort to educate themselves. Instead, the elected school boards rely on advice from the "experts." The superintendent isn't interested in spending big bucks to harden the building. They'd much prefer to spend any money they can get their hands on to increase staff, giving them more useless people to supervise and, therefore, more justification for a higher salary. Architects aren't interested in spending money on ballistic-resistant glass. They want to make the buildings beautiful, so the photos will look good on their web site and in the architecture magazines.
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How many times can it get worse?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/egregious-poor-decision-making-nearly-400-cops-gathered-at-uvalde-school-before-anyone-did-anything
I'd like to say "unbelievable" but, unfortunately, it's all too believable. Here's a direct link to the actual report: https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/d005cf551ad52eea13d8753ede93320c/Uvalde%20Robb%20Shooting%20Report%20-%20Texas%20House%20Committee.pdf?_ga=2.216812497.696777951.1658086082-733005564.1658086082
I suggest reading the part detailing the police response, then going back and reading the part about the school's maintenance and security protocols. The police response was a total cluster. The school had a policy that all doors were to be locked at all times, but many teachers thought that was too inconvenient, so they ignored it, and actively took steps to conceal that when security checks were being conducted. The door to one of the two connecting classroom involved didn't lock. The teacher had reported this to the administration multiple times, but no work order was ever generated to repair it.
The only [printable] word for it is "shameful."
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How did that 18 year old POS get that much $$?
https://nypost.com/2022/07/17/texas-report-reveals-chilling-way-uvalde-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-amassed-weapons-on-his-18th-birthday/
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How did that 18 year old POS get that much $$?
https://nypost.com/2022/07/17/texas-report-reveals-chilling-way-uvalde-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-amassed-weapons-on-his-18th-birthday/
:Snort:
Caption under the screen grab of the two rifles:
Ramos posted photos on Instagram showing two machine guns before the shooting.
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How did that 18 year old POS get that much $$?
https://nypost.com/2022/07/17/texas-report-reveals-chilling-way-uvalde-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-amassed-weapons-on-his-18th-birthday/
Hmmm. Writer apparently is not aware of this or more likely is choosing to ignore it.
Kid worked at Wendy's and told his co-workers he was saving the money for guns and ammo.
From a few pages back
SAVING UP FOR SLAUGHTER Texas school shooter made chilling boast about $4K plot to Wendy’s co-workers & quit when he’d saved enough for 2 AR-15s
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5419019/texas-school-shooter-plot-wendys-quit-saved-enough/
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:Snort:
Caption under the screen grab of the two rifles:
Ramos posted photos on Instagram showing two machine guns before the shooting.
Also this
On May 18, “he returned … for 375 rounds of M193, a 5.56mm 55-grain round with a full metal jacket, which has a soft core surrounded by a harder metal.”
"A harder metal"
Like he's trying to imply that makes them extra deadly.
and
And amassing of his arsenal never landed on local authorities’ radar.
Two guns is an "arsenal" and should have caught the attention of "the authorities"
Also the guy seems to be trying to blame the gun shop
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400 cops? Holy hell. I'm sure that didn't contribute to mass confusion at all.
I'm trying to think of any single, localized incident like this that had even half this many LE on scene, and am coming up empty. There might be some, but this sounds like more cops than showed up for planned stuff, like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
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400 cops? Holy hell. I'm sure that didn't contribute to mass confusion at all.
I'm trying to think of any single, localized incident like this that had even half this many LE on scene, and am coming up empty. There might be some, but this sounds like more cops than showed up for planned stuff, like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
[tinfoil]
Almost enough to make a person wonder....
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400 cops? Holy hell. I'm sure that didn't contribute to mass confusion at all.
I'm trying to think of any single, localized incident like this that had even half this many LE on scene, and am coming up empty. There might be some, but this sounds like more cops than showed up for planned stuff, like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Of that, 149 were border patrol, 91 were state police, and 25 were City of Uvalde.
I can't think of any way in which a school shooter is within the Border Patrol's jurisdiction. BUT ... one of the slain teachers was the wife of a Border Patrol agent, and I'll bet some (many?) of the kids in the school are children of Border Patrol agents. My guess is that the Border Patrol response was not an official agency response so much as a bunch of BP guys all taking it upon themselves to protect their own families and the families of their fellow BP agents.
I don't say this to disparage their response -- the BP were the guys who ultimately went into the classroom and neutralized the shooter when the people who should have done that couldn't even figure out what was happening or who was in command. But, when you cut to the chase, I can't see any legitimate reason for the Border Patrol to have even been there.
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Mutual assistance agreement possibly?
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Anyone remember to bring the donuts?
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The bottom line is that school boards pay lip service to school security but they don't know what that really requires, and they aren't willing to expend the effort to educate themselves. Instead, the elected school boards rely on advice from the "experts." The superintendent isn't interested in spending big bucks to harden the building. They'd much prefer to spend any money they can get their hands on to increase staff, giving them more useless people to supervise and, therefore, more justification for a higher salary. Architects aren't interested in spending money on ballistic-resistant glass. They want to make the buildings beautiful, so the photos will look good on their web site and in the architecture magazines.
Excepting an ever-shrinking handful of older campuses predating the 1960's or so, I don't think there is such a thing as a beautiful school campus. Most of them LOOK like prisons, even the elementary schools. Windows that people cannot get out of, steel fences with tines across the top to stop people climbing them, strategic entry/exit chokepoints, and cosplaying security guards ambling about when they're not trying to pick up on the newest doe-eyed teachers on campus.
These buildings are designed to make herding students as efficient as possible, and to cultivate institutional compliance. The layout of the classrooms are eerily similar to the layout of cubicles in office drone farms.
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Excepting an ever-shrinking handful of older campuses predating the 1960's or so, I don't think there is such a thing as a beautiful school campus. Most of them LOOK like prisons, even the elementary schools. Windows that people cannot get out of, steel fences with tines across the top to stop people climbing them, strategic entry/exit chokepoints, and cosplaying security guards ambling about when they're not trying to pick up on the newest doe-eyed teachers on campus.
These buildings are designed to make herding students as efficient as possible, and to cultivate institutional compliance. The layout of the classrooms are eerily similar to the layout of cubicles in office drone farms.
I disagree, but it may be a regional thing. I know two people who work at this firm, which does mostly schools:
https://antinozzi.com/
Projects from one of Antinozzi's major competitors:
https://mpn-arch.com/projects/education/norwich-technical-high-school
https://mpn-arch.com/projects/education/nayaug-elementary-school
https://mpn-arch.com/projects/education/a-i-prince-technical-high-school
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These people have done lots of schools in the Gilbert/Mesa/Chandler area here.
https://www.hd-architects.com/educational
They're awful.
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We've covered this ground before, but I don't want anyone's kids going to school in a prison, nor would even that guarantee their safety from the already miniscule risk that school shootings represent.
If you're really that risk averse then you'd do way more to reduce the risk of death to your kids by skipping family vacations or having groceries delivered than by sending them to school at Alcatraz Elementary.
Hawkmoon is right that no one doing school design is truly invested in making schools wildly expensive, impenetrable fortresses, but they'd be stupid to want to do that anyway.
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These people have done lots of schools in the Gilbert/Mesa/Chandler area here.
https://www.hd-architects.com/educational
They're awful.
Can't tell how bad or good they are. They conveniently don't show photos of classrooms, laboratories, etc, in the photos of the projects. Perhaps that's intentional?
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Hawkmoon is right that no one doing school design is truly invested in making schools wildly expensive, impenetrable fortresses, but they'd be stupid to want to do that anyway.
That's the catch-22 ... nobody wants schools to be impenetrable fortresses -- until another batch of kids get killed, and then everybody wants to know why the schools AREN'T impenetrable fortresses. Then they see the designs and budgets for impenetrable fortress schools, and everybody then says, "Well, let's reconsider this ..."
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ALERRT is the official DOJ/FBI active shooter training program. The ALERRT team has prepared a critique of the response in the Uvalde school shooting incident:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...valde-response
I've read most of the report. While I am in agreement that there was barely-controlled chaos on the scene, I nonetheless find some aspects of the report to be nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacking. YMMV.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22080543-texas-alerrt-report-on-uvalde-response
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That's the catch-22 ... nobody wants schools to be impenetrable fortresses -- until another batch of kids get killed, and then everybody wants to know why the schools AREN'T impenetrable fortresses. Then they see the designs and budgets for impenetrable fortress schools, and everybody then says, "Well, let's reconsider this ..."
Perhaps that's another reason why homeschooling is taking off.
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I’m gladder every day that we homeschool.
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27 billion dollar lawsuit against, well pretty much everybody including every law enforcement agency involved, the gun store, and Danial Defense, by a California-based civil rights and personal injury law firm.
Bet it won't be the first.
The class action lawsuit, which is being filed by California-based civil rights and personal injury law firm Bonner & Bonner, will claim that the victims, survivors and their families' 14th Amendment right to life and liberty were violated, attorney Charles Bonner told KSAT.
Bonner and several other legal offices working together on the suit plan to name an array of law enforcement agencies and government entities as defendants.
"We have the school police, ok, Arredondo, we have the city police, and we have the sheriffs, and we have the Texas Rangers, the DPS, and we have the Border Patrol," Bonner told KSAT.
Bonner told KSAT that he and his colleagues also plan to go after the manufacturer of the gun, Daniel Defense, and Oasis Outback — the store where the gunman purchased the weapon
Victims and survivors of Uvalde shooting to file $27 billion lawsuit
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/victims-and-survivors-of-uvalde-shooting-to-file-27-billion-lawsuit-29662604
Guns and Gadgets video on the matter
Daniel Defense Named In $27 Billion Uvalde Lawsuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsNHpD6TEXs
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The spaghetti tactic. Toss a bunch at the wall and see what sticks.
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The spaghetti tactic. Toss a bunch at the wall and see what sticks.
Exactly. There's still a pretty good potential payday if 99% of the lawsuits are tossed.
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Surprised Ford wasn't mentioned for not having "smart" tech to prevent an unauthorized person from driving the F-150 to the crime scene
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Saying they violated policy on how to handle a school shooter. Policy is/was they are to treat any person who fires a gun in a school as an active shooter until they are neutralized and that person can never be treated as a barricaded subject.
Uvalde shooting investigation: Inspector general looking into whether 5 DPS troopers violated policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRf5zc4ECXI
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A lot of early information released turned out to be false, but I remember one piece of info was particularly disturbing - an LEO from "some" agency wanted to go in and get the active shooter, but other LEOs at the scene physically restrained him and disarmed him, preventing his entry.
One variation had it that this LEO had a child of his own inside the school.
IF this is true - and given the nonsense that came out initially I don't know that it is - THAT officer would seem to have a cause of action against those who prevented him from doing his job, and in fact, those who actively prevented him from going to help the kids in danger ought to be cited as accessories to the murders, since they were acting as a security detail for the killer.
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Lawsuit has been filed against Daniel Defense and police
The one against DD is claiming they targeted children and young men with their marketing and advertising and that this enabled the shooting.
BREAKING: HUGE Lawsuit Filed Against Daniel Defense & POLICE in Uvalde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nLwnXyrYi0
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It is both legal and appropriate for children and young men to own rifles.
But what difference does that make to lawyers and judges?
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Given the time it took for the police to go in after the shooter, he may have done the same thing with a muzzle loading rifle.
Doors that weren't locked and school police that wouldn't allow anyone to go in the room, a screwed up kid with a juvenile record that passed an FBI background check. The gun the kid used is not something I am concerned about.
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These lawsuits make me wonder if a good deal on a Daniel Defense rifle would be something to consider. I guess it isn't a cheap thing to jump into.
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Bearing Arms has picked up the lawsuit story
The family of Eliahna Torres, who was killed in the massacre at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, filed a lawsuit Monday against nearly two dozen people and entities, including the gun manufacturer and store that provided the rifle used in the May 24 attack and law enforcement officials who responded to the scene, according to court documents.
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The 76-page federal lawsuit, filed by Everytown Law and a Texas law firm on behalf of Sandra Torres and Eliahna’s siblings, alleges the “mass shooting was enabled by the illegal, reckless, and negligent actions” of gun manufacturer Daniel Defense.
Investigators have said the Uvalde shooter used an AR-15-style rifle manufactured by Daniel Defense.
“Daniel Defense markets its AR-15-style rifles to young male consumers by using militaristic imagery and video game references, by marketing on various social media platforms, and by suggesting that its rifles can be used by civilians for offensive combat-style operations against non-combatants,” the suit alleges. The suit also claims Daniel Defense’s marketing tactics are unfair and violate the Federal Trade Commission Act.
I would like to see an example of the underlined. Maybe something in a game? If so why not sue the game designers and manufacturer?
And what is meant exactly by "unfair"
The gun store is being sued for not being mind readers.
The lawsuit also accuses Oasis Outback, a gun store that delivered the Daniel Defense rifle to the shooter and sold him another weapon and ammunition, of negligent transfer of firearms.
The shooter “had picked up or bought well over $3,000 worth of guns and ammunition, including two AR-style rifles” at Oasis Outback and the store “had a duty not to sell weapons to the just-turned 18-year-old shooter, who it knew or reasonably should have known was likely to harm himself or others,” the lawsuit argues, citing witnesses in the Robb Elementary Investigative Committee Report who claim the shooter was nervous and behaving suspiciously in the store.
In a sane world this would be thrown out. But we're not living in a sane world are we?
Uvalde mother sues gun maker, store, and police
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/11/29/uvalde-mother-sues-n64788
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These lawsuits are a blatant violation of the Protection of Lawful Commerece in Arms Act.
Does that matter?
Apparently not.
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$27 billion
Not sure how that breaks down between DD and the police. My eyes glaze over just thinking about reading the docs.
Uvalde survivors file a $27 billion class-action lawsuit against police and others
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2022-12-02/uvalde-survivors-file-a-27-billion-class-action-lawsuit-against-police-and-others
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IMO, DD and the gun store followed the law. The kid passed a background check and they had no information to tell them the kid was a problem. They followed the law.
The school district police did NOT follow their own policies. The doors were not locked and they should not have treated it as a hostage situation when they were hearing shooting going on.
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IMO, DD and the gun store followed the law. The kid passed a background check and they had no information to tell them the kid was a problem. They followed the law.
If they (the libs) don't like a law anyone following that law is a criminal and must be punished.
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Uvalde police were afraid to confront the shooter "because of the firepower of his AR-15". So giving cops a bad name and aiding gun control fanatics all in one whack.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/20/report-officers-were-afraid-to-engage-uvalde-school-gunman-because-he-had-an-ar-15/
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Uvalde police were afraid to confront the shooter "because of the firepower of his AR-15". So giving cops a bad name and aiding gun control fanatics all in one whack.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/20/report-officers-were-afraid-to-engage-uvalde-school-gunman-because-he-had-an-ar-15/
Weaseled right out of that accusation of cowardice by not engaging immediately, or did they?
bob
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Uvalde police were afraid to confront the shooter "because of the firepower of his AR-15". So giving cops a bad name and aiding gun control fanatics all in one whack.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/20/report-officers-were-afraid-to-engage-uvalde-school-gunman-because-he-had-an-ar-15/
Two birds, one stone.
Cowardly a**holes.
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Cowardly a**holes.
How can they be cowards? They have the camo and the cool battle rattle!
(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/uvalde-swat-team.jpg)
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“(Police) knew the monster behind the door was not the kid. It’s the rifle the kid is holding,” said Rizo, referring to the 18-year-old gunman. “It’s the freaking AR that they’re afraid of. … Their training doesn’t say sit back and wait.”
"Officers arriving at Robb Elementary on May 24 had similar reactions as they realized that the gunman had an AR-15.
“You know what kind of gun?” state Trooper Richard Bogdanski asked in a conversation captured on his body-camera footage outside of the school.
“AR. He has a battle rifle,” a voice responded.
“Does he really?” another aske"
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But a little bit of sanity sneaked in.
Edit: My comment is limited strictly to the underlined.
"Limiting access to these kinds of rifles may not decrease the frequency of mass shootings, which plagued the country before the rifle became popular among gun owners. During the decade that the federal assault weapons ban was in place, beginning in 1994, the number of mass shootings was roughly the same as in the decade prior, according to a mass shooting database maintained by Mother Jones. It also would not address the root causes that motivate mass shooters, merely limit the lethality of the tools at their disposal."
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But a little bit of sanity sneaked in
"Limiting access to these kinds of rifles may not decrease the frequency of mass shootings, which plagued the country before the rifle became popular among gun owners. During the decade that the federal assault weapons ban was in place, beginning in 1994, the number of mass shootings was roughly the same as in the decade prior, according to a mass shooting database maintained by Mother Jones. It also would not address the root causes that motivate mass shooters, merely limit the lethality of the tools at their disposal."
But will that quote get as much air play as the statement about the AR?
I doubt it.
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But a little bit of sanity sneaked in
"Limiting access to these kinds of rifles may not decrease the frequency of mass shootings, which plagued the country before the rifle became popular among gun owners. During the decade that the federal assault weapons ban was in place, beginning in 1994, the number of mass shootings was roughly the same as in the decade prior, according to a mass shooting database maintained by Mother Jones. It also would not address the root causes that motivate mass shooters, merely limit the lethality of the tools at their disposal."
Yeah, but then they said:
The rifle was not used in any mass shootings until 2007. In the 2010s, it was used in 27% of mass shootings, and in 2022 it was used in 67% of mass shootings.
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How can they be cowards? They have the camo and the cool battle rattle!
(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/uvalde-swat-team.jpg)
Here they are doing what they do best, hiding around the corner.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/01/uvalde-police-chief-pete-arredondo-11.jpg)
I think the school cops were the firt in and backed off.
bob
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Yeah, but then they said:
My comment was limited to the underlined. The rest of the article is a steaming pile of Biden diapers
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But a little bit of sanity sneaked in
"Limiting access to these kinds of rifles may not decrease the frequency of mass shootings, which plagued the country before the rifle became popular among gun owners. During the decade that the federal assault weapons ban was in place, beginning in 1994, the number of mass shootings was roughly the same as in the decade prior, according to a mass shooting database maintained by Mother Jones. It also would not address the root causes that motivate mass shooters, merely limit the lethality of the tools at their disposal"
That last sentence clause is all the motivation the gun grabbers need for banning modern sporting rifles and magazine restrictions. Less lethal means available means a lower body count, in their eyes.
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One sick POS
Uvalde mass shooter Salvador Ramos wrote 'LOL' on a whiteboard in the blood of his school victims during the massacre last year.
Ramos, 18, opened fire at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, and killed 19 students and two teachers - before using their innocent blood to etch a final message before being shot dead by police.
The revelation by Rep. Joe Moody during a House committee shocked already heartbroken family members of victims.
'The attacker scooped up the blood of his victims and smeared it into his disgusting message,' he said.
'What he wrote in innocent blood next to that was the phrase 'LOL'.' The slang stands for 'laugh out loud.'
Uvalde shooter Salvador Ramos wrote 'LOL' on whiteboard with the blood of his elementary school victims as cops waited outside, appalled families hear as they fight to raise legal age to buy a gun in Texas from 18 to 21
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11991673/Uvalde-shooter-Salvador-Ramos-wrote-LOL-using-blood-elementary-school-victims.html
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Yikes
The cousin of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooter was arrested in San Antonio after threatening to commit a school shooting.
Nathan James Cruz, 17, was arrested on a felony charge of making a terroristic threat to the public and a misdemeanor charge of making a terroristic threat against a family member, according to Bexar County Central Magistrate records.
It was Cruz's mother who called the police and reported threats that her son had made, Officer Nick Soliz of the San Antonio Police Department tells NPR.
Soliz confirms that Cruz is a cousin of Salvador Ramos, the 18-year-old who killed 19 students and two teachers at Robb Elementary in Uvalde last year.
Cruz told his sister that he was planning "to do the same thing" as his cousin, according to an affidavit obtained by NPR.
According to the affidavit, the mother was concerned because her son made the remarks while "intoxicated" and because they live across the street from an elementary school.
The mother "overheard a phone conversation the suspect made this morning in which the suspect attempted to acquire an AR-15 through an illegal private sale" according to the arrest warrant. When confronted by police, Cruz denied making any threats, the warrant states.
Note they state "illegal private sale". Knowing NPR don't know if they're saying "illegal" because he was 17 or they think private sales are or should be illegal.
Uvalde shooter's cousin arrested in San Antonio for threatening to shoot a school
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192671563/uvalde-shooter-cousin-arrested-threat-school-shooting-san-antonio
Uvalde killer's cousin threatens school shooting
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/08/09/uvalde-killers-cousin-n73425
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That last sentence clause is all the motivation the gun grabbers need for banning modern sporting rifles and magazine restrictions. Less lethal means available means a lower body count, in their eyes.
The lethality of weapons is why we have a right to own them. The purpose of our right to bear arms is to disperse military power among the general population as a check against the professional military. This is why Americans have the right to own the weapons of a soldier. If the government wishes to ban a weapon, they must ban it for their soldiers and police as well.
If the government doesn't trust us with automatic weapons, they must disable all theirs as well. If they don't trust us with belt fed weapons and 30 round magazines, then they shouldn't get them either.
The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for THE POWERS OF THE SWORD ARE IN THE HANDS OF THE YEOMANRY OF AMERICA FROM SIXTEEN TO SIXTY. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. What clause in the state or [federal] constitution hath given away that important right .... [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the foederal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
"A Pennsylvanian" (Tench Coxe), To The People of the United States, PA. GAZETTE, Feb. 20, 1788
Tench Coxe was the founding father who most discussed the Second Amendment.
https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1421&context=wmborj
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The fact that he got a gun is not what caused that incident. Maybe one of you can add to this list if you think of something else.
1. Not investigating / prosecuting crimes/threats when they could have.
2. Crappy school security where doors weren't locked and couldn't be locked by anyone right inside the door (with or without a key).
3. The cops refused to go in immediately and try to limit the deaths by taking out the shoot as soon as they got there. No way to tell how many kids bled to death during the hour wait who could have been saved. The cops prevent officers from going in who wanted to.
4. Not giving the teachers a chance to defend themselves by being armed.
Hire police who take the job seriously. That may go back to voting in school board members who take the job seriously.
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Report out
Really nothing mentioned in the article that we didn't already know
Justice Department report finds 'cascading failures' and 'no urgency' during Uvalde, Texas, shooting
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/justice-department-report-finds-cascading-failures-and-no-urgency-during-uvalde-texas-shooting/article_27b36ef6-5874-5c7a-b501-8e79f806af6d.html
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From the article:
“I hope that the failures end today,” said Kimberly Rubio, whose daughter Lexi Rubio was killed in the shooting. “My child, our children are named in this report because they are dead.” Of the officers who failed, she said: "They should be named.”
She has a point. The school district chief, Pete Arrendondo, has been identified and chastised (but probably still draws his retirement pension), but the names of the other cowards who DIDN'T enter the classroom should be inscribed on a monument somewhere on or near the school grounds. A suitable statue for the monument might be a dog with its tail between its legs.
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DOJ report: The police failed miserably. (Aaaagain)
Biden commenting on the report: We need gun control. (Because, you know, you can always call the police)
Biden Uses DOJ Report on Uvalde to Push Gun Control
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/01/19/biden-doj-uvalde-n79555
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From the article:
She has a point. The school district chief, Pete Arrendondo, has been identified and chastised (but probably still draws his retirement pension), but the names of the other cowards who DIDN'T enter the classroom should be inscribed on a monument somewhere on or near the school grounds. A suitable statue for the monument might be a dog with its tail between its legs.
Early reports were that an officer from some other department showed up, and when he attempted to go in and rescue any surviving children, the local cops already on the scene disarmed and detained him to prevent that. IF THERE'S ANY TRUTH TO THIS (note I said IF) then the officers involved ought to be charged as accessories to the murders.
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[tinfoil]
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Paul Howe's video today basically called them a bunch of untrained fatsos.
For those that don't know him, Paul was in the thick of it during "Blackhawk Down", and runs the CSAT Way, where part of his school is dedicated to teaching armed safety in schools.
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And we have an update
Several law enforcement officers who responded to the mass shooting at a Uvalde school in May 2022 have been ordered to testify before a grand jury investigating the botched response.
Multiple officers who were on the scene at Robb Elementary School on May 24 where 19 children were massacred have been subpoenaed for in-person testimony that may result in criminal charges.
Among the tragic conclusions brought by Thursday's report was Garland's admission that the lives of the young victims could have been saved had protocols been followed properly - a concession the parents say was a long time coming.
One of the two Uvalde teachers who were killed during the mass shooting in 2022 was left to die on a walkway - while crying bullet-stricken students were hurried onto buses before receiving medical aid, the report also found.
Victims - both adults and children - were frantically dragged out of bloody classrooms with no stretchers readily available to get them into ambulances.
Cops who responded to Uvalde school shooting are subpoenaed by Texas grand jury over botched police response that could result in criminal charges after 19 children were slaughtered
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115237/Uvalde-school-shooting-police-charges-investigation-grand-jury.html