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Title: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: MillCreek on June 27, 2022, 03:10:45 PM
I am surprised that no one is talking about this important decision on police accountability:  Vegas v. Tekoh https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-499_gfbh.pdf

In a nutshell, police can violate your Miranda rights and now no longer face the possibility of civil liability under civil rights law for doing so. This is part of a series of recent decisions on expanding qualified immunity and other types of immunity of police for wrongful actions.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-courts-miranda-decision-further-guts-150-year-old-civil-rights-law-2022-06-27/

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/police-cant-be-sued-over-miranda-warnings-supreme-court-rules

https://lawandcrime.com/supreme-court/justice-alito-opinion-deals-major-blow-to-miranda-rights/
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: dogmush on June 27, 2022, 03:14:59 PM
It's been us vs. Them for a couple decades now, people just refuse to see it.
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: JN01 on June 28, 2022, 12:04:01 AM
So does it say that police can't be held liable if they coerce a confession or deny legal counsel or does it only apply to the failure to read the suspect his rights?
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: cordex on June 28, 2022, 07:41:19 AM
So, from the summary:
Tekoh was accused by a patient for inappropriately touching her, was questioned without being placed in custody and without being Mirandized (which covers custodial interrogations, not every single discussion police have with people).  Tekoh was convinced by a Deputy to write an apology to the patient for touching her inappropriately.  This statement was used as evidence against him in his trial.  Tekoh's first trial ended in a mistrial and he was acquitted in his second trial.  Tekoh's lawsuit was a section 1983 action seeking monetary damages because he believed his civil rights were violated.

If Tekoh was not in custody (which, I don't believe he was) and was not being coerced, compelled, or abused to extract a confession, then I guess I don't see the fifth amendment issue.  If I had to imagine details not presented in the summary, I'm guessing the Deputy told Tekoh that a decent person would at least apologize for doing something that offended someone, and it is likely that Tekoh believed he was simply disarming the situation as opposed to providing evidence to be used against him.  If the argument was that the evidence shouldn't have been admitted or something then I could probably be swayed, but the idea that Tekoh should get a payday by labeling this a civil rights violation given the circumstances I don't think I agree.

This decision does not seem to be saying that cops should be able to beat you to get a confession, or even commenting on whether a confession made outside a Miranda warning should be admissible, but rather seems to be simply saying that failing to read someone their Miranda rights before conducting a non-custodial interrogation should not be sufficient to allow Tekoh to sue the Deputy and department for violation of civil rights.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: MechAg94 on June 28, 2022, 11:07:59 AM
Wouldn't it be best if Congress would pass a Miranda Act and put Miranda rights into law rather than court decisions?
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 28, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Wouldn't it be best if Congress would pass a Miranda Act and put Miranda rights into law rather than court decisions?

And while they are at it add in a part about police and company not being able to lie to you and it's ok but if you lie to them it's a crime.
Title: Re: SCOTUS issues decision on Miranda rights
Post by: MechAg94 on June 28, 2022, 12:41:49 PM
And while they are at it add in a part about police and company not being able to lie to you and it's ok but if you lie to them it's a crime.

Any such law passed by Congress right now would be a dumpster fire.  However, it seems like the problem with current police limitations is it is all based on court precedent.  Seems like it would be better to base it on legislation so the Courts don't have to legislate from the bench.