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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on July 09, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
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I was very surprised to read the comments at the video link. Responses by far were in favor of her facing the repercussions of her actions. I don't know more about her than what I have read, but she seems to be a combination of the worst elements of entitled celebrity and entitled millennial, with the real world ignorance that accompanies both.
I mean, what kind of a moron sneaks drugs into a country like Russia? She (or "he" from the sound of her voice?) claims the hash "accidently" got in her luggage.
https://youtu.be/LKTmrlI5PwE
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I am generally not sympathetic to people who break the law in other countries. Especially when what they did would be illegal in much of the US.
At the present time, what would Biden have to do to get Putin to release her? Would he lift sanctions from the Ukraine War to get her released? About the only thing Biden could do to punish Russia now is to remove all the oil and gas restrictions in the US and try to reduce the world market price. That would hurt Russia, but not quickly.
Does the US have any Russian citizens in jail here that they would want back?
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I was very surprised to read the comments at the video link. Responses by far were in favor of her facing the repercussions of her actions.
Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot. =)
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Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot. =)
I recognize the comedy, but in all seriousness, I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes to another country completely ignorant of at least the prevalent and well-known laws. Haven't there been enough B-movies about Americans and drugs in other countries?
I'm certainly sympathetic to someone who is arrested for some obscure law abroad. Drugs aren't it. In fact I think drugs are pretty much the poster children for stuff not to be lackadaisical about abroad.
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Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot. =)
We have to do whatever it takes to protect our Black lesbian druggies, whether home or abroad.
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Griner then: I don't think we should be playing the National Anthem before games.
Griner now: SAVE ME, UNCLE SAM! SAVE ME!
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Griner then: I don't think we should be playing the National Anthem before games.
Griner now: SAVE ME, UNCLE SAM! SAVE ME!
I was just about to mention that. You said it better than I would have. =)
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I have read some stories suggesting that Russia will be offering to swap her for Viktor Bout, the Russian arms merchant currently in the Marion Federal Penitentiary, or some Russians being held in the US on espionage charges. The Soviets/Russians have a long-standing tradition of capturing Westerners to use for spy swaps.
Ms. Griner is still an idiot, though.
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Let her rot.
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I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.
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I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.
I like the way you think!
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I recognize the comedy, but in all seriousness, I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes to another country completely ignorant of at least the prevalent and well-known laws. Haven't there been enough B-movies about Americans and drugs in other countries?
I'm certainly sympathetic to someone who is arrested for some obscure law abroad. Drugs aren't it. In fact I think drugs are pretty much the poster children for stuff not to be lackadaisical about abroad.
This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.
I have zero sympathy.
First time I've seen her arms with all tha tats. What's the saying? "You can take the gangsta out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the gangsta."
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Do we expect a drug-abuser to make reasonable, non-self-destructive decisions about drugs?
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If we are going to do prisoner swaps we need to start with the ones who have been there the longest. Kind of a first in, first out policy. We may get to her eventually. She should not be considered more important than any other American citizens held in Russian prisons.
bob
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Do we expect a drug-abuser to make reasonable, non-self-destructive decisions about drugs?
I firmly believe that besides "drug abuser" she was filled with hubris that comes from celebrity and failure of the world to have knocked her down a peg before now. As mentioned above, she might be pondering her past thoughts on what a terrible place the United States is. Probably not though. In fact she'll probably find a way to blame America for her Russian arrest.
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I firmly believe that besides "drug abuser" she was filled with hubris that comes from celebrity and failure of the world to have knocked her down a peg before now. As mentioned above, she might be pondering her past thoughts on what a terrible place the United States is. Probably not though. In fact she'll probably find a way to blame America for her Russian arrest.
Trump's fault no doubt.
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Meh. She's an idiot but she's our idiot. If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home. Anything we can do that doesn't make us look weak, which of course rules out the current admin.
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Meh. She's an idiot but she's our idiot. If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home. Anything we can do that doesn't make us look weak, which of course rules out the current admin.
I don’t much care if it’s a MOH winner. Have your own drugs in your own luggage and get busted our goobermint shouldn’t go to any special lengths to get him/her back.
If it’s a frame job that’s different. But it doesn’t appear that Ms Griner was framed. She was just felony stupid.
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"(is she a she or a he?)"
I think there is some confusion there. Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife? As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it. I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much. The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender. As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times; "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."
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"(is she a she or a he?)"
I think there is some confusion there. Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife? As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it. I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much. The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender. As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times; "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."
The Too Tat Polka! :laugh: Did Frankie Yankovic record that one? :rofl: (seriously, that's a good one)
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I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.
How about we give the Russians Bowe Berghdal and let them keep Griner?
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Uh... I'm not really all that interested in Brittney Griner's "thing."
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"(is she a she or a he?)"
I think there is some confusion there. Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife? As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it. I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much. The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender. As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times; "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."
Griner is a biological female. Fairly masculine for a woman, but a woman. “Married” to another woman.
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I had never heard of her before this, I am aware that there is a women's basketball league but I am not interested.
There is some kind of push to have this mean something, I hear a lot about it on the talk radio I listen to at work.
It's featured on drudge often too.
I don't wish her any harm, but I really don't care either.
I bet there are quite a few African American lesbians that are veterans going thru hard times - why can't the media care about them?
If I was in Russia at the same time and I wanted to leave ( which I would ) I would have traveled to some very rural border crossing into Mongolia and made dang sure I had nothing suspicious on me.
As someone mentioned earlier, she's entitled and dumb - it was profitable for her to be that way in yesterday's world.
I have a feeling she is now learning more about the world she lives in. Harsh lessons to be sure, but I do not care about any sportsball stars at all, really.
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This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.
I have zero sympathy.
This
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If you don't want to be noticed, leave on Friday afternoon rush hour...
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(https://i.imgur.com/3VNKSFCl.jpg)
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She shows disrespect to our nation by kneeling and sometimes not even coming out of the locker room for the Anthem. Does bode well with most Americans. Now she’s begging for help because of her stupid mistake so she can fend for herself.
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Maybe BLM and/or Harris can bail her out.
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Maybe BLM and/or Harris can bail her out.
I think a planeload of BLM activists would be just the thing to draw attention to her plight - just think of the scene they'd make when their charter flight touched down in Moscow.
They could fly out of Denver, only coincidentally a state where recreational marijuana is legal and readily available.
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I think a planeload of BLM activists would be just the thing to draw attention to her plight - just think of the scene they'd make when their charter flight touched down in Moscow.
They could fly out of Denver, only coincidentally a state where recreational marijuana is legal and readily available.
Is there a "Go Fund Me" set up for that yet?
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If you don't want to be noticed, leave on Friday afternoon rush hour...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.
I have zero sympathy.
First time I've seen her arms with all tha tats. What's the saying? "You can take the gangsta out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the gangsta."
Well the WNBA, like the NFL, is akin to slavery, don't you know.
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"If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home."
Of course we'd want a veteran back.
As long as that veteran honorably served his/her country.
What has this individual really done?
Trashed her country while being paid millions of dollars?
*expletive deleted*ck her. She can stay in Russia and pay for her crimes, to which she has confessed.
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Of course we'd want a veteran back.
I think what French was suggesting was that we'd want the vet back if they did the same thing she did. Perhaps "we" as a country would, but I wouldn't. I don't care if they were a door kicker in Fallujah, if they come back and start talking about what a crappy country we have* and start doing drugs, and are stupid enough to take drugs to a foreign country, they don't need any special consideration. Just like the vets who tell me that if I want an AR, I should join the military, otherwise I don't get a gun. A jackass is a jackass.
*It's everyone's right to complain about the country, but don't expect special consideration for it based on your background.
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^^^I agree with Ben.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw
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In her defense, Griner is a survivor of the War on Women.
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In her defense, Griner is a survivor of the War on Women.
Please... ;/
Ted Kennedy has been dead for 13 years now.
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Americans Offer To Trade LeBron To Russia For Brittney Griner
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-offer-to-trade-lebron-to-russia-for-brittney-griner
Upon hearing the news, LeBron immediately cried out in pain and flopped down to the ground.
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Americans Offer To Trade LeBron To Russia For Brittney Griner
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-offer-to-trade-lebron-to-russia-for-brittney-griner
I'm pretty sure LeBron would rather go to China.
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But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis
Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"
Not.
Brad
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But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis
Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"
Not.
Brad
(https://c.tenor.com/TYBZf7PJvtoAAAAd/laughing-putin.gif)
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But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis
Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"
Not.
Brad
A post dated doctor's note, maybe?
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Yeah, kind of odd we're just now hearing about that.
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Yeah, kind of odd we're just now hearing about that.
Exactly. If it were real, they would have been waving that note on Day 1 to the ruskies and the US Consulate. My guess is, going with the overall theme of the thread, is that she and her handlers figured she'd be breezing through on her celebrity, race, gender, and all the other stuff that works for her in the US, so never even thought about coming up with a defense.
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Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.
"Wrongfully detained". Says who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ
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Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.
"Wrongfully detained". Says who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ
She had diplomatic celebrity immunity.
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Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.
"Wrongfully detained". Says who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ
I'm failing to comprehend how Griner is being "wrongfully" detained. She has admitted that she did what she was arrested for doing. How is her detention in any way "wrongful"?
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Evidently now Biden wants to trade Nicholas Cage for Griner and some marine the Russians arrested on espionage charges 5 years ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/americas/viktor-bout-profile-intl/index.html
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Lordofwar.jpg)
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on the radio news today, they were saying she didn't get a Miranda warning :facepalm: :rofl:
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So they're talking about trading some arms dealer (cue movie bad guy #1) for the pothead who couldn't quit, and... An Ex-Marine who got a bad discharge and who was doing some sort of security gig or something who got popped for spying (great catch-all charge...)...
Let 'em stay in the lovely Russian jails...
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So we release a man who sells arms to terrorists to get a famous athlete out of prison for importing drugs to Russia.
The rule of law is dead, dead, dead.
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https://people.com/sports/brittney-griner-sentenced-to-9-years-in-russian-prison/
A guilty verdict and a nine year sentence for Ms. Griner.
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https://people.com/sports/brittney-griner-sentenced-to-9-years-in-russian-prison/
A guilty verdict and a nine year sentence for Ms. Griner.
I’m sure she will take it like a man.
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Could trade Hunter
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Could trade Hunter
The Russians aren't that stupid.
Besides, they probably own him already.
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She pleaded guilty?
Let her serve her time, then.
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One potential sticky wicket for a prisoner swap: for years, the Soviets and then the Russians have wanted Aldritch Ames released to Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames). Mr. Ames, a CIA officer working for the KGB caused more deaths of Soviet agents working for the CIA until Robert Hanssen came along. The Feds have consistently said they will not give up Mr. Ames.
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She pleaded guilty?
Let her serve her time, then.
She was also convicted (in Russia, there's a trial even if the defendant pleads guilty), and she has been sentenced to nine years in prison.
That would effectively end her WNBA career. She's 31 now, so she'd be 40 when she gets out.
I don't buy her "confession." She admits she had cannabis oil and paraphernalia in her luggage, but she claims it was a mistake and that she knew it was illegal and she didn't intend to break any Russian laws. IMHO, she knew perfectly well it was in her luggage, because she put it there -- and she knew it was illegal but she assumed that because of her celebrity status she was immune to the laws.
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On the bright side ...
https://babylonbee.com/news/brittney-griner-rewarded-with-9-years-of-not-hearing-the-us-national-anthem
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She was making pretty good money, right? Why didn't she have her adams apple shaved down? I understand that that is not a difficult surgery...
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The schadenfreude on this one makes me smile. She's awful, and awful things happening to her make me happy.
See you in a decade or so, retard.
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My hope is the Russians will us as an alarm every morning the American National Anthem.
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My hope is the Russians will us as an alarm every morning the American National Anthem.
That will just be when the guard wants a blow job.
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Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.
I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.
Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.
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Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.
I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.
Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.
She's lucky it's wasn't a ME country or many E. Asian ones.
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Look, she's flying.
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Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.
I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.
Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.
When the " I'm famous and have a Race Card to play" runs into reality. She'd been told she can do whatever she wants, all the time for so long she's shocked when the rest of the world treats her as she deserves.
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One potential sticky wicket for a prisoner swap: for years, the Soviets and then the Russians have wanted Aldritch Ames released to Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames). Mr. Ames, a CIA officer working for the KGB caused more deaths of Soviet agents working for the CIA until Robert Hanssen came along. The Feds have consistently said they will not give up Mr. Ames.
The feds may have said that but theirs a certain Alzheimer’s patient that will sign anything out in front of him much like Ron Burgundy will say anything you put on a teleprompter and his administration is full of Good Little Communists.
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Talk of a prisoner swap again.
So we're going to trade this guy for someone who hates the country that gave her everything and got herself in the spot she's in?
I say fry him and let her rot.
Viktor Bout: Russia hopeful for arms dealer prisoner swap with US
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63675119
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I saw a week or so ago that she was sent to a penal colony. Likely to put pressure on the US for this swap, since I'm sure the Biden admin is getting swamped by lefty groups at this point to get her back.
Edit: Meant to say "was sent" not "wasn't sent". Sometimes my brain doesn't work right.
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She was sent to a penal colony this week:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/europe/brittney-griner-russia-prison-colony
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If she came back, could she even continue to PLAY professional sports?
Aren't there drug tests involved in women's sports?
I can't help but think about how they went after Lance Armstrong, Roger Clemens, and others even after they'd stopped competing professionally. IIRC, Clemens - a baseball player, a mere entertainer - was actually called up to testify before a congressional committee. :facepalm:
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Well, they traded her for the arms dealer:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-released-russian-prison-swap-convicted-arms-dealer
I'm sure that now she'll make a few million on a movie and book deal.
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Bet Oprah already has her booked for a show where we can hear her cry all about it.
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Sure it'll all be America's and Trump's fault she was in prison
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In a way her release is a shame. Are there not other Americans held in Russia? What about them? Griner is an embarrassment to America. She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia. Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last. I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling. Just my 2cents.
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In a way her release is a shame. Are there not other Americans held in Russia?
Paul Whelan, for one.
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In a way her release is a shame. Are there not other Americans held in Russia? What about them? Griner is an embarrassment to America. She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia. Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last. I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling. Just my 2cents.
The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.
She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
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I have already noticed the talking heads have shifted to her being arrested for "suspicion of" or "alleged" drug smuggling. Blame is already being diverted from her to the evil, nazi, fascist, horrible Russians. We're just going to ignore the fact that she did, in fact, try to smuggle drugs into Russia.
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The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.
She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
Exactly. But don't forget she's also a druggie, which is probably a bonus box to check on Biden's diversity checklist.
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Paul Whelan, for one.
And this trade severely kiboshed his release. He is being held as a spy. Bout should have been his trade. Knight for knight. Trading Bout for Griner is like trading your queen for a pawn.
I don't think we have any other "big names" handy to use for Whelan, who actually broke no Russian laws. I heard Biden's speech on this earlier today. He pretty much insinuated she was innocent and pure as the fresh driven snow (is that racist?) and had committed no crimes.
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In a way her release is a shame. Are there not other Americans held in Russia? What about them? Griner is an embarrassment to America. She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia. Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last. I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling. Just my 2cents.
I suspect you're preaching to the choir, bro.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-from-russian-custody-in-a-high-profile-prisoner-swap-between-the-us-and-moscow/ar-AA152Z5I
President Joe Biden signed off on the trade, which took place in the United Arab Emirates, even though it meant leaving behind Paul Whelan, an American corporate security executive who remains jailed in Russia.
Whelan should have been first, for sure.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-from-russian-custody-in-a-high-profile-prisoner-swap-between-the-us-and-moscow/ar-AA152Z5I
The first time in the history of the world that anyone associated with the WNBA has been called "high profile".
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Biden's next stop after his Griner speech announcing the release of an arms dealer was a gun violence love in.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/08/heres-what-biden-did-after-releasing-an-arms-dealer-to-secure-brittney-griners-return/
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Whelan should have been first, for sure.
You mean the ex-marine who was booted out of the USMC with a bad conduct discharge?
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You mean the ex-marine who was booted out of the USMC with a bad conduct discharge?
Still a better candidate for prisoner swap than Griner.
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Still a better candidate for prisoner swap than Griner.
Instead of the arms dealer, I would've offered Chelsea Manning or Bowe Bergdahl for Whelan and left Griner on the table.
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Trivia note: Viktor Bout was the inspiration for the protagonist in Lord of War.
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Trivia note: Viktor Bout was the inspiration for the protagonist in Lord of War.
I was wondering if that's the same guy-I bet he's LOL ing how this worked out
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If Viktor Bout has been executed years ago this would be a non-issue.
Clown world.
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If Viktor Bout has been executed years ago this would be a non-issue.
Clown world.
Guy should be laughing his ass off. He won. All because of some dumb *expletive deleted*ing WNBA deviant.
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The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.
She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if taken literally the implication here seems to be that you hate her in part for her race and sexual orientation.
As for myself, I don't hate her. Mild distaste is as far as my emotions toward her go.
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Guy should be laughing his ass off. He won. All because of some dumb *expletive deleted*ing WNBA deviant.
I was reminded of this scene in Lord of War...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTK8torOylM
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I think I know what you're trying to say, but if taken literally the implication here seems to be that you hate her in part for her race and sexual orientation.
As for myself, I don't hate her. Mild distaste is as far as my emotions toward her go.
I won't speak for what I think Boomhauer is saying, but for myself, I don't hate her for being black - you don't hate someone for their skin color. I don't hate her for being gay. She's an adult, and she can do things that I don't approve of (with the usual "not hurting anyone" caveats).
I do perhaps dislike rather than hate that she is a stupid moron, or perhaps arrogant, or efficiently, a combination of arrogant and stupid. So stupid and arrogant that she travels to Russia with drugs on her. So stupid and arrogant the she is a "kneeler" and hates the country that just rescued her.
I do hate the people and culture that made "black and gay and woman" a special class of citizen that we all know made her a priority for the exchange. If she were a white hetero male, not only would she still be in a ruskie pokie, but most likely none of us would even know about it.
For the future, I will be interested to see if she continues to kneel and hate the country that came to her rescue at great cost now, and perhaps more in the future if good old Vik goes back in business. I will also be interested to see if, as a "high profile celebrity", she speaks publicly about helping the forgotten others still being held.
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I won't speak for what I think Boomhauer is saying, but for myself, I don't hate her for being black - you don't hate someone for their skin color. I don't hate her for being gay. She's an adult, and she can do things that I don't approve of (with the usual "not hurting anyone" caveats).
Agreed, but on the flip side, bigots like Democrats do care an awful lot about the color of people's skin and their sexual orientation.
I agree with Boomhauer that she was released largely because of her race, gender, sexual orientation, and political leaning. Only one of those impacts my feelings toward her.
Of course, while not entirely deterministic, race, gender, and sexual orientation do certainly have a significant relationship with political leanings in the US.
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I wonder if this was the Russians' game plan all along: arrest some semi-famous American and wait for Biden to offer a trade.
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I wonder if this was the Russians' game plan all along: arrest some semi-famous American and wait for Biden to offer a trade.
Probably. He just got lucky that it was someone both profoundly stupid and also checked all the intersectionality boxes.
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^^ :rofl:
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I agree with Boomhauer that she was released largely because of her race, gender, sexual orientation, and political leaning. Only one of those impacts my feelings toward her.
You left out celebrity. Even if she checked all those other boxes, I have to wonder if Biden & Co. would have been so hot to bring her home if she were, for example, a burger slinger at McDonald's or a sandwich artist at Subway.
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This could be interesting:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/12/09/karine-jean-pierres-insistence-that-it-was-either-brittney-griner-or-no-one-doesnt-pass-smell-test/
NBC originally reported that the US was offered a deal of Griner OR Whelan. That was edited by them to make it Griner only. It's the MSM, so of course you can't really trust NBC. Nevertheless, common sense would dictate that we came in with the offer of Griner AND Whelan for the big fish, with Russia counteroffering one for one instead of one for two.
We may never know, and it may make no difference to the public, but I sure would like to know.
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Brittney Griner Flees Back to Russia in Terror After Seeing American Flag
https://babylonbee.com/news/brittney-griner-flees-back-to-russia-in-terror-after-seeing-american-flag
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Sincere or just a publicity stunt?
Not like writing him is going to get him released.
Two weeks after she was released from a Russian penal colony, Brittney Griner has urged supporters to write to Paul Whelan, an American detained in Russia.
Griner had been detained on drug charges for nearly 10 months, before returning home in a prisoner swap.
Mr Whelan, sentenced to 16 years on espionage charges, was left behind.
"There remain too many families with loved ones wrongfully detained," Griner wrote. "I hope you will join me in writing to Paul Whelan and continuing to advocate for other Americans to be rescued and returned to their families."
Brittney Griner urges fans to write American detainee Paul Whelan
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64069272
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So Ms. Griner suddenly self-identifies as an American?
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When getting you released doesn't score any PC Brownie Points
American woman who was jailed in Russia at same time as Brittney Griner speaks out after completing her sentence and returning home without help: 'The government left me helpless while fighting for a WNBA star'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11566643/American-woman-jailed-Russia-time-Brittney-Griner-speaks-out.html
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Sincere or just a publicity stunt?
Not like writing him is going to get him released.
Brittney Griner urges fans to write American detainee Paul Whelan
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64069272
Michelle Obama could do the thing where she posts a photo of herself holding a sign.
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the American we did not hear about
https://abcnews.go.com/US/american-woman-released-same-day-griner-recounts-horror/story?id=95675778
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the American we did not hear about
https://abcnews.go.com/US/american-woman-released-same-day-griner-recounts-horror/story?id=95675778
three posts up
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the American we did not hear about
https://abcnews.go.com/US/american-woman-released-same-day-griner-recounts-horror/story?id=95675778
If this woman is actually guilty of attacking someone with a knife (I don't know) she got off easy.
It is only injustice if she is innocent.
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If this woman is actually guilty of attacking someone with a knife (I don't know) she got off easy.
It is only injustice if she is innocent.
"if"
the article says the boyfriend was beating her up and she defended herself
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three posts up
LOL, oop's sorry WLJ!!
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the article says the boyfriend was beating her up and she defended herself
No it doesn't say that. Here is what it says:
Following a broken wedding engagement, she briefly lived with roommates, one of whom was a man who Krivanek said beat her. In December 2021, she was arrested and detained for attacking him with a knife that she said she used to defend herself.
The convicted woman claimed her boyfriend beat her. This may or may not be true, we don't know. She said she was defending herself with a. knife. That may or may not be true, we don't know.
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No it doesn't say that. Here is what it says:
Following a broken wedding engagement, she briefly lived with roommates, one of whom was a man who Krivanek said beat her. In December 2021, she was arrested and detained for attacking him with a knife that she said she used to defend herself.
The convicted woman claimed her boyfriend beat her. This may or may not be true, we don't know. She said she was defending herself with a. knife. That may or may not be true, we don't know.
We all know that a woman would never ever not ever lie about a man's actions, especially in the case of a failed romantic endeavor.
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We all know that a woman would never ever not ever lie about a man's actions, especially in the case of a failed romantic endeavor.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
thank you!
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Prior to the tip, Griner and her teammates stood for the national anthem, and the No. 1 pick of the 2013 WNBA Draft received a loud ovation from the home crowd as she was introduced.
"Hearing the national anthem, it definitely hit different," Griner said. "It’s like when you go for the Olympics, you’re sitting there, about to get gold put on your neck, the flags are going up, and the anthem is playing, it just hits different.
"Being here today ... it means a lot."
Seeing what it's like in the world outside the US can do that.
See if it lasts
Brittney Griner plays in first game since detainment, says hearing national anthem 'definitely hit different'
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-plays-first-game-detainment-hearing-national-anthem-definitely-hit-different
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U.S. Leftists are OK with drugs. Russia is Leftist, therefore Russia should be OK with drugs. Right?
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U.S. Leftists are OK with drugs. Russia is Leftist, therefore Russia should be OK with drugs. Right?
Since 2016, Russia is now right-wing [sic] fascist. Fascist means "agrees with Trump." Trump is mean, and hates anything you like, plus he hates the blacks and womens and gays, etc.
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Just in case you were wondering what the other half of that deal was up to. He's running for office.
The former arms dealer, who the U.S. traded in exchange for WNBA star Brittney Griner, is running for office in Russia as a member of a far right political party.
Viktor Bout, 56, has joined Russia's Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) and is now running to be elected to the regional legislature. The LDP currently holds 23 of the 450 seats in Russia's legislature. The party is to the right of Russian President Vladimir Putin's dominant United Russia Party.
Former Russian arms dealer traded for Brittney Griner runs for office under far-right political group
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-arms-dealer-traded-brittney-griner-runs-office-far-right-political-group
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Another million dollar cry baby
Cloud created a stir on Friday when she wrote on Twitter that "Our country is trash in so many ways and instead of using our resources to make it better we continue to oppress Marginalized groups that we have targeted since the beginning of times" and that "Black/brown communities& LGBTQ+ man we are too powerful to still be attacking issues separate."
"I’m blessed to travel the world for my career. I’ve been in plenty of countries that I would have my human rights, healthcare, free/assisted schooling, don’t have to fear mass shootings or white supremacists, don’t have to be concerned about the highest maternal mortality rates," she wrote.
"Less police murders, no mass incarceration based on race, adequate minimum wage, rights to my body as a woman, I MEAN I CAN KEEP GOING.
"Cause these are things that America is capable of…and when I say trash this is what I’m referring to. We choose to allow politicians to line their pockets and spit false and hateful ideologies to pit us against each other.
Wonder if she spend some time in a Russian prison her attitude would change?
WNBA champ Natasha Cloud expands on America criticism after calling country 'trash'
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/wnba-champ-natasha-cloud-expands-america-criticism-calling-country-trash
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Weird that she doesn't emigrate to one of those obviously superior nations. ???
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Weird that she doesn't emigrate to one of those obviously superior nations. ???
Funny that
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I did a little google on Cloud because by looks she appeared to be bi-racial and I get real annoyed with bi-racial celebs that go on and on about one half of their ancestry and forget the other half.
So anyway, I was right. It's like Kapernick or Rodman disrespecting their respectable upbringing but in this case a biological parent is present. Her white mom had Natasha with her black father who near as I can tell is not around. She bears the surname of her white stepfather. She grew up in a 90% white neighborhood. She went to a Catholic high school and excelled in basketball which afforded her excellent colleges where she again did good, now a pro. She is living the American dream a lot harder than most of us so STFU.
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In woke America there's money and fame in being oppressed.
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In woke America there's money and fame in being oppressed.
Even if you're a famous millionaire (though I've never heard of her).
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"I’m blessed to travel the world for my career. I’ve been in plenty of countries that I would have my human rights, healthcare, free/assisted schooling, don’t have to fear mass shootings or white supremacists, don’t have to be concerned about the highest maternal mortality rates," she wrote.
"Less police murders, no mass incarceration based on race, adequate minimum wage, rights to my body as a woman,"
And you came back to this hell hole for what reason?
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And you came back to this hell hole for what reason?
Where else can you be allowed to be a whiny spoiled brat and trash talk your country while getting paid millions for playing a game? In many of her so called paradise countries she would probably be a street beggar and they would have had her thrown into a dark prison or even have had her shot by now if she ran her mouth like that there.
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I did a little google on Cloud because by looks she appeared to be bi-racial and I get real annoyed with bi-racial celebs that go on and on about one half of their ancestry and forget the other half.
So anyway, I was right. It's like Kapernick or Rodman disrespecting their respectable upbringing but in this case a biological parent is present. Her white mom had Natasha with her black father who near as I can tell is not around. She bears the surname of her white stepfather. She grew up in a 90% white neighborhood. She went to a Catholic high school and excelled in basketball which afforded her excellent colleges where she again did good, now a pro. She is living the American dream a lot harder than most of us so STFU.
Unless one of her two biological parents was mixed race, this would make her half-white and half-black -- 50/50. When you mix paint, if you mix 50% black with 50% white you get gray. And most people would call gray paint "gray," not "white" or "black." So why is it that when people are half black and half white, they call themselves "black" or "a person of color" but they don't ever seem to call themselves white -- which they could logically do with exactly as much legitimacy as calling themselves black.
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Unless one of her two biological parents was mixed race, this would make her half-white and half-black -- 50/50. When you mix paint, if you mix 50% black with 50% white you get gray. And most people would call gray paint "gray," not "white" or "black." So why is it that when people are half black and half white, they call themselves "black" or "a person of color" but they don't ever seem to call themselves white -- which they could logically do with exactly as much legitimacy as calling themselves black.
Because they derive benefits from doing so. Which makes the whole idea of institutional anti-POC racism a bald face lie. Otherwise they would claim white ancestry.
My wife great-grandfather was 1/2 or 1/4 Cherokee. He refused to register with the tribe and also refused to even acknowledge the Indian background, or even the Oklahoma connection. Because back then the racism was real. Now? Not so much.