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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Brad Johnson on July 28, 2022, 03:20:49 PM
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Benton County, OR, requires a license to have a dog. Any dog.
https://www.co.benton.or.us/records/page/dog-licenses#:~:text=Benton%20County%20dog%20owners%20must,establishing%20residency%20in%20Benton%20County.
A requirement for vaccinations I can see, especially things like rabies which can be transmitted to humans and is essentially 100% fatal if untreated. But a license just to have the pet?
Oh, and this was from me doing searches on a current story about a bunch of dog owners ordered to get rid of their pets because "PIT BULL EVIL KILL EVERYONE DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!!"
https://www.kbtx.com/2022/07/28/10-families-iowa-town-told-give-up-dogs-by-authorities/
I know several families with pitties. They're big lap dogs, chill and sweet. Of course, they've been properly socialized and you darn sure wouldn't want to make an aggressive move towards their kids, but that could apply to any dog closely attached to their family. Heck, I had and aunt and uncle who's syrup-sweet golden would lose her mind if she thought they were being threatened. Decreeing dogs canis non grata simply because of their breed is silly reactionism. I know it stems from the pit bull panic of the late 90s and early 2000s, but I figured we were beyond that now.
Brad
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It's fistful's fault. :P :old:
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They'll license or tax anything. Got teeth? Tax them.
On the pit bulls, same old story. Pre-assumption (presumption) of guilt before any incidents occur.
Sounds familiar to us gun owners, don't it?
"if it saves one ankle, it's worth it."
Terry, 230RN
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If it moves tax it.
If it doesn't move tax it.
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Dog licenses are required in Michigan, but the law is weakly-enforced. I've had dogs my entire life (I'm 44) and only one time did animal control officers go door-to-door giving "friendly reminders" to get your annual dog licenses.
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I thought it was pretty much ubiquitous to have to license pets throughout the US.
Both my dogs and cats have Hillsborough County licenses (well the cats had one, because I only renew them when I take them to the vets.) When I lived in AK I needed Municipality of Anchorage licenses for all my dogs, but I could purchase a Kennel license that covered them all. Like a contractor pack at Home Depot. Licenses are generally cheaper if the dog is fixed as well.
As an anecdote I found a loose dog in my neighborhood several months back with just a county tag on, and I was able to call Animal Control, give them the license number, and they gave me the phone number listed for the owner, so I could get the pup home.
ETA after I saw Declaration Day's post: the only enforcement I've ever seen in FL is if your pet ends up in the pound, you'll need a valid license to get it back. I can't imagine our officers going door to door.
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Pet licenses are required where I live. It's $10 a year for a fixed animal. That license cost is actually higher than the cost of a regular drivers license. I think the concept is a little silly.
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Licenses are required in Virginia, too.
I generally ignore the living hell out of the requirement. Every couple of years I buy a license.
I'd be a lot more willing to license Seren if people were required to license their crotch fruit.
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In CA, early on it was just a city by city requirement. Later it went county level, with discounts for spay/neuter (or penalties if you didn't, depending on how you look at it).
In Idaho it appears to be city by city, and being out in the country, Steve is license free.
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Steve is license free.
Steve has you licensed. You just don't know it.
Brad
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Most of Oregon has required dog licenses since forever. Washington state was like that when I lived there in the '70s. I believe the fees support the county shelters to some degree. The license also makes it easier to track down the owners of dogs when they get loose.
I think the licensing mindset goes back to before leash laws became ubiquitous. It made it easier to get dogs back to their owners when the pups went on walkabout.
All of that said, NC doesn't require licenses and I like it that way. Our dogs are never off leash or lead, and both of them are chipped, so we aren't too concerned about them getting loose.
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I have been a criminal for decades, not buying the required city or county dog licenses. Each dog has an ID tag with my name, email and phone number in case of loss as well as being chipped.
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I have been a criminal for decades, not buying the required city or county dog licenses. Each dog has an ID tag with my name, email and phone number in case of loss as well as being chipped.
Can't say as I blame you for going that route. Got to keep some small amount of freedom where we can. :laugh:
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Pit bulls were bred to attack other animals. I don't think it is a coincidence they are vastly disproportionately involved in attacking other pets, killing children, etc. Genetics effects behavior. The personality trait tendencies of various breeds are pretty predictable.
Pit bulls are crap choice for a pet animal.
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I thought it was pretty much ubiquitous to have to license pets throughout the US.
Ditto. I'm 78 years old. We have always had to license our dogs.
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Pit bulls were bred to attack other animals. I don't think it is a coincidence they are vastly disproportionately involved in attacking other pets, killing children, etc. Genetics effects behavior. The personality trait tendencies of various breeds are pretty predictable.
Pit bulls are crap choice for a pet animal.
The pit my sister had must have been defective then. Dog was a big softie. I only saw her get angry at another dog once, and it was because the dog (a chocolate lab) was pestering her. She didn't even snap at the other dog, just growled. The dogs were separated and both went back to being chill.
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My personal opinion is that the perceived problem with pit bulls comes from the result of irresponsible breeders and irresponsible or worse owners.
My neighbor across the road has several pits. When he first moved in he was letting them run loose. They caused some problems.
The big male has gotten aggressive with me several times in my own yard including one instance when it was inside my fenced yard
Two years ago it got aggressive towards my wife as we tried to get in my Jeep in my driveway. I got between the dog and my wife while she got in the car. The damn thing was maybe 10 feet from me and I drew and fired. I was only 6 weeks post surgery on my dominant arm and *expletive deleted*ing missed. I put it in the dirt about 6 inches in front of his feet. It moved about 5 feet to one side and resumed aggressive posturing. Unfortunately it was enough that I no longer felt I had a clear line of fire. The owner also came running at the time. I told him I purposely put the round in the dirt in an attempt to scare off the dog but if the dog ever came at me again I would not be so charitable. He's kept it and the others chained up since. But they get loose from time to time.
I don't blame the dog or the breed but that won't stop me from killing it if it gives me cause.
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Pit bulls were bred to attack other animals. I don't think it is a coincidence they are vastly disproportionately involved in attacking other pets, killing children, etc. Genetics effects behavior. The personality trait tendencies of various breeds are pretty predictable.
Pit bulls are crap choice for a pet animal.
Agreed. It doesn't mean that every pit bull is going to snap and maul someone, but aggressive behavior was purposefully selected over many generations and it seems quite foolish to ignore that. People seem capable of recognizing what pointers or sheepdogs are "naturally" good at but feign ignorance about pit bulls. When one of them suddenly rips the face off a child the owner usually says "He never acted that way before, he was always so sweet!" :facepalm: Well, once is all it takes.
I'm not in favor of outlawing or euthanizing all of them or anything, but I'll never understand why someone would pick that breed as a family pet when there so many options without the aggressive lineage.
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For as long as I have lived, I have a memory of requiring official "dog tags", including grandpa's hunting beagles and walkers.
Now, if it actually created any responsibility it would be better. If I could actually report people for leaving dog *expletive deleted*it on the walking paths, or playing frisbee with their giant dogs in the "dog free" park like the rules don't apply to them, and the government would confiscate their dog and revoke their license, then we would be getting somewhere.
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Other than having to get dogs and cats vaccinated, we've never had to get a license of any sort.
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How come no one ever has to say "It's not the dog, it's the owner!" about labs?
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How come no one ever has to say "It's not the dog, it's the owner!" about labs?
I have. It’s just there’s so many labs that are total goofballs that people ignore the bad ones.
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I have. It’s just there’s so many labs that are total goofballs that people ignore the bad ones.
OK.
I should have said, "It's not the breed (http://breed), it's the owner!"
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I have been a criminal for decades, not buying the required city or county dog licenses. Each dog has an ID tag with my name, email and phone number in case of loss as well as being chipped.
This. We do the same thing.
It'll be a cold day in hell when I pay the .gov for the "privilege" of owning a dog.
Tangentially related, I do pay the $5 annually to have my bee hives inspected.
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"Tangentially related, I do pay the $5 annually to have my bee hives inspected. "
How many bee tags come with the inspection?
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How many bee tags come with the inspection?
I want to know how you attach the license and collar to each bee.
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"How many bee tags come with the inspection"
I want to know how you attach the license and collar to each bee.
Ha.
They're more like notional bee tags..
And in Soviet Ohio, bee tag YOU! (It's been warm, and they've been a bit pissy this inspection. Got lit up twice but not bad.
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What are they inspecting for?
What kind of inspection/enforcement authority do they have?
What are the penalties if you don't get a hive inspection?
You'd think that with all of the problems facing bees they'd just be happy that people are putting out hives.
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What are they inspecting for?
What kind of inspection/enforcement authority do they have?
What are the penalties if you don't get a hive inspection?
You'd think that with all of the problems facing bees they'd just be happy that people are putting out hives.
The main benefit in WA to registering your hives is that if someone is allergic and gets stung they can’t sue you. Or if some neighbor complains about your hives (Karen’s will Karen) you can tell them to FOAD.
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The main benefit in WA to registering your hives is that if someone is allergic and gets stung they can’t sue you. Or if some neighbor complains about your hives (Karen’s will Karen) you can tell them to FOAD.
OK, nice. I like that.
Friend of mine keeps hives. Neighbors bitched to him because the bees were clustering at the side of their house because the hose bibb was dripping and the bees were getting a drink.
His neighbors are complete f*expletive deleted*tards.
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I have no idea if NV or my county requires a license, I doubt it
with pitts, it depends on the dog and the owner.
yrs ago one of my exes and myself adopted a rat terrier , on its first time off leash it went straight to a huge pitt to start a fight .
the poor pitt was trained so well it just rolled over on its back while sparky was being a little pita .
the pitts head outweighed our dog by 4 times , easily - but it never got aggressive .
but i have also seen pitts attack and kill other dogs - it is the main reason I want to upgrade to 10mm when i can as well as getting one of those ruger alskans in 44 mag - there are bigger/worser dogs than pitts out there - like the cane corso - I love dogs but their humans can often make poor decisions ....
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What are they inspecting for?
What kind of inspection/enforcement authority do they have?
What are the penalties if you don't get a hive inspection?
You'd think that with all of the problems facing bees they'd just be happy that people are putting out hives.
In our county, they don't have any authority that I'm aware of, and registering your hives is voluntary. The benefit is $5 gets a nice old wizard looking bee expert to come out and tell you how your hive is doing, and offer helpful advice. He'll also contact you if he runs into bee problems in the area close enough to affect your apiary.
The other benefit is useful data. If there are x number of hives in the county, it's nice to know the percentage dealing with mites or hive beetles, or if there's foulbrood going around.
https://agri.ohio.gov/divisions/plant-health/apiary-program
I'm pretty new at beekeeping so that info is worth what you paid for it.
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I want to know how you attach the license and collar to each bee.
It's the branding that's difficult.
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Regarding pitbulls:
I currently have one. She was found running the streets of Redford, MI at approximately one year old. Redford is right next to Detroit, and is sort of "Detroit Lite", if you know what I mean. I was single at the time I adopted her, so there were no kids at risk. She has turned out to be an absolute sweetheart, and I have now had her for just over four years.
Having said that, I am aware that caution is warranted with the breed in general, and would not have kept her if she had exhibited any concerning behavior.
On a final note, if you live in SE Michigan, finding rescued dogs that don't have pitbull blood in them can be a bit of a challenge.