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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on August 12, 2022, 09:45:50 AM
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Philosophically, I am not opposed to the concept, but Canada seems to be somewhat loose in how they provide these services. Washington permits assisted suicide, but it is difficult to find a provider to help; none of the large academic, religious, or secular healthcare systems allow their providers to do this.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/experts-see-canadas-euthanasia-laws-as-threat-to-disabled/
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I can understand how some people can be so ill, they would want to die. I have been there myself.
But...
If God wanted people to kill themselves, he wouldn't have given us the sixth commandment.
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First it's allowed. Then it's encouraged. How long before it's required?
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First it's allowed. Then it's encouraged. How long before it's required?
Soon, there's too many boomers. It won't be evenly applied I suspect.
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First it's allowed. Then it's encouraged. How long before it's required?
I hear that in many countries with socialized medicine it basically indirectly happens when treatment is withheld by the .gov
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First it's allowed. Then it's encouraged. How long before it's required?
Based on historical precedent, you got the picture.
If they can put it in an inch, they'll put it in eight inches.
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If they can put it in an inch, they'll put it in eight inches.
Thaaaaat's what she said.
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I hear that in many countries with socialized medicine it basically indirectly happens when treatment is withheld by the .gov
Whoever pays for your medical treatment will determine what you are allowed to have and how much.... whether it is you, your insurance company, or the government.
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How is that different than where we are now?
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How is that different than where we are now?
Not very. I don't feel like I used to hear about so many denied surgeries. My dad is basically on a no surgery plan since no one will bite that risk sandwich. I have seen stuff delayed or cancelled over blood sugar, or smoking, or anything else that raises the risk.
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Not very. I don't feel like I used to hear about so many denied surgeries. My dad is basically on a no surgery plan since no one will bite that risk sandwich. I have seen stuff delayed or cancelled over blood sugar, or smoking, or anything else that raises the risk.
yup, my late older sister couldn't quit smoking and would have gotten a lung transplant if she had
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Years back there were stories floating around about doctors in Holland performing euthanasia on patients without their or their family's consent. Supposedly is was being done to free up hospital beds and other medical resources. These stories started appearing a few years after euthanasia was legalized in Holland.
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The one that controls your medical care in the USA is your wallet. I can't get a free yearly because I have leukemia.
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Years back there were stories floating around about doctors in Holland performing euthanasia on patients without their or their family's consent. Supposedly is was being done to free up hospital beds and other medical resources. These stories started appearing a few years after euthanasia was legalized in Holland.
Former colleague got an infection while on vacation in Vietnam. He was ex-pat to India at the time. Went our Dutch division for medical treatment. They refused him antibiotics because he wasn’t “actively dying”. And they wouldn’t transfer him to the UK until the CEO of the company got involved.
While I never want to wind up in an Indian or other 2nd/3rd world country hospital, I equally don’t ever want to wind up in a Dutch hospital either.
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First it's allowed. Then it's encouraged. How long before it's required?
"Logan's Run". [popcorn]
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More fun stuff from Canada.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/canada-offered-assisted-suicide-paralympian-veteran-wanted-wheelchair-lift-installed-report
I wonder how much of the righteous indignation from the Canadian officials is because this got publicized and not because of it's heinous nature.
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I'm not sure G-d should be displeased about your wanting to hasten being with Him in extremis.
I'm also not sure to "kill" or to "murder" applies to oneself since killing and murdering would, in my mind, imply this was not voluntary on the part of the victim, whereas suicide of the "victim" is, assisted or not.
Of course, that's just secular logic, not canonical logic --which latter sometimes escapes me altogether.
Terry, 230RN
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Considering how much health care is supplied by the Govt these days, I am surprised anyone here is ok with assisted suicide. Seems to me it conflicts with a lot of opinions I see here about the death penalty.
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Considering how much health care is supplied by the Govt these days, I am surprised anyone here is ok with assisted suicide. Seems to me it conflicts with a lot of opinions I see here about the death penalty.
That's non sensical. Suicide is voluntary, execution is very much not.
It does seem, according to Twitter, that Canada may be a little free with suggesting suicide. Especially to mentally ill young folks. One thing to make it available in end of life decisions, quite another to suggest it when treatment may be difficult or expensive.
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That's non sensical. Suicide is voluntary, execution is very much not.
It does seem, according to Twitter, that Canada may be a little free with suggesting suicide. Especially to mentally ill young folks. One thing to make it available in end of life decisions, quite another to suggest it when treatment may be difficult or expensive.
First, Canada is just further along the path of where it will inevitably lead. Second, with execution most people tend to assume the person is guilty but there are proven cases where that wasn't true. Going forward, I am not sure it will always be safe to assume voluntary consent was obtained either. Probably not a big concern now, but we will see.
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First, Canada is just further along the path of where it will inevitably lead. Second, with execution most people tend to assume the person is guilty but there are proven cases where that wasn't true. Going forward, I am not sure it will always be safe to assume voluntary consent was obtained either. Probably not a big concern now, but we will see.
This is a sanguine, but prophetic, assessment.
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"While I never want to wind up in an Indian or other 2nd/3rd world country hospital, I equally don’t ever want to wind up in a Dutch hospital either.'
You won't have to worry. There won't be any Dutch hospitals. In fact, maybe no Dutch people as they'll all starve to death. The Dutch government is actively trying to shut down all their farms in the interest of stopping Globular Wormening.
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The "slippery slope fallacy" actually isn't a fallacy at all.
Once a country decides it knows better than God when it comes to killing innocent, people we should expect them become even more visibly vile.
They start by killing children in the womb (abortion is legal until birth in Canada, like some US states), then killing "terminally ill" people, then people were sick but not terminally, then sick children and ill babies....
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I don't want to start big argument about it. There isn't much to argue about at this point. It is just something to keep an eye out for as I figure too many people lack basic ethics and make poor decisions when budgets are tight or other temptations press.
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What gives? Tickled by the above, I found Nurses killing people like it was an epidemic:
Nurse Charles Cullen 400 people killed
Nurse Niels Hoegel 85 people killed
Nurse's aide, Donald Harvey 24 people killed
Nurse Genene Jones 1 toddler killed, 60 small children suspected
See also:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/2020/01/killer-nurses-20-caregivers-who-murdered-their-patients/
Very interesting.
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Ban Assault Nurses
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I have heard it mentioned before that medical malpractice killed a whole lot more people every year than guns.
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I have heard it mentioned before that medical malpractice killed a whole lot more people every year than guns.
Way more. 250,000 is the number I've seen thrown around from a Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine study.
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139/rr-54
There are some valid arguments that could be made against that number. Pretty much the same exact ones that people used to minimize the number of deaths attributable to COVID, interestingly. An alternate reality version of Bogie keeps repeating: "Did they die with medical malpractice, or because of it? And why are all the people dying from medical malpractice old and sick already?"
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I have heard it mentioned before that medical malpractice killed a whole lot more people every year than guns.
Just saw a headline a few days ago, don't remember where and I didn't click on it, claiming 40k people killed by guns in the us every year. Don't ask me where they got that number but if I had guess the sun don't shine there.
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40k deaths from GSWs is pretty close. But the large majority of those are suicides.
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40k deaths from GSWs is pretty close. But the large majority of those are suicides.
That is what I have seen as well.