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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: HeroHog on September 20, 2022, 04:10:53 PM
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https://xkcd.com/2674/
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Mentally reviews number of flashlights and knives with weird holes in the handle. :-X
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This is an OLD inventory of my bag. It has MORE in it now including 2 32round FunStix for the G19 and sold the S&W to a friend, a small pair of long nose ViceGrip pliers, a 9" Adjustable wrench, and a MAC Tools interchangeable bit magnetic screwdriver w/the bits in the handle. I no longer carry the LOCAL hand outs since LOCAL folded and I have gimpy plates and let my mirror tag expire.
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Where the hell is the deep fat fryer?
When you get snacky it can be a real emergency!
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1 is none and 700 is .....uh... maybe a little excessive.
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I liked this one better.
https://xkcd.com/556/
Also, it's number 5.56.
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I have to admit I've never understood the whole "Here are the MINIMUM 702 items you MUST carry in addition to your gun!"
To me, EDC means having three things -- my gun, my CCW, and my phone.
95% of the time I'm not even carrying extra ammo.
Portable defibrillator? Nope.
Level IV biohazard containment suit? Nope.
Plutonium-Neon-Yttrium laser? Nope.
Complete works of existential philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre, to help describe and define the condition of those who go armed? Nope.
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I agree that a lot of guys take things way to far for EDC.
In addition to my wallet with ID and money I try to always have 4 things. Knife, fire, light, gun.
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Now that I've quit smoking I don't even have a means of making a fire anymore.
Unless I pull the bullet from a cartridge and use the powder and primer as a fire starter.
To me the EDC thing is no different than those videos of "These are the 178 CRITICAL rules you MUST remember when you're in a gun fight!"
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There's only one rule for a gun fight.
Survive.
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Certainly a lot of these EDC youtube videos can make a guy shake his head. I mean, some of them have you carrying around fishing line and hooks in the city.
That said, "normal" EDC depends on your situation. Mike's list (plus a wallet with cash and/or plastic) is reasonable for in the city. My normal EDC is gun, wallet, phone, knife, and light. I use a knife multiple times per day, and probably pull out the light around every other day for something or other.
If I go into EDC circumstances that require more than that, it's either part of my vehicle kit or else I will have a small ruck or similar (think first aid, fire, emergency overnight, etc.).
An interesting trend I've noticed with the high speed guys on the youtubz is EDC carrying a tourniquet everywhere, or even a "stop the bleed" kit in ankle holsters.
I kind of get that. I used to carry full trauma kits in the vehicles. Now I carry "extremes" kits. I treat either the booboo extreme with band aids, etc., or else the "keep someone from dying until real help arrives" extreme with tourniquets, compression bandages, and CPR knowledge. Everything in the middle (if in urban/suburban areas) is "call 911 and make the victim comfortable until the experts arrive" territory.
I'm actually taking a "stop the bleed" class next weekend as a refresher. When I was one of the rescue divers at the office, we went through annual quasi-EMT training, but I have gone way too long without a refresher, so am taking this class plus later in the year a medical refresher. Which I guess adds an important EDC item everyone should have: knowledge.
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" I mean, some of them have you carrying around fishing line and hooks in the city."
Well that actually makes sense!
Think about it. Without line and hooks, how the hell are you going to go alley rat fishing?
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"I'm actually taking a "stop the bleed" class next weekend as a refresher."
WFT, dude?
You don't carry a blow torch and cautery iron with you everywhere?
WTF KIND OF DEATH WISH DO YOU HAVE???
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Yeah, I like being prepared and self sufficient, but some of these guys just have a ton of *expletive deleted*it. I'm kinda with K Frame here that my "weekday" EDC is my phone and my keys (and I guess my watch, because the tactitoobers count that.) I can't carry at work, so my gun is in my truck. For evening or weekend EDC, I will clip my gun to my belt.
That said, my truck has a ton of useful stuff in it at all times, and I am rarely outside of walking distance of my truck in every day life. Solid first aid/trauma kit, fire making, multiple lights, rain gear, fresh clothes, shelter, food, water, a carbine and ammo, tools, extra batteries and fuel are all in or on my truck pretty much all the time. So if you include that, I have a pretty solid EDC.
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An interesting trend I've noticed with the high speed guys on the youtubz is EDC carrying a tourniquet everywhere, or even a "stop the bleed" kit in ankle holsters.
I think that trend is an outgrowth of the GWOT experience that a quick tourniquet is often the most important thing to survival of a bad extremity injury. Related: the US Military's combat first aid has become pretty centered on extremity trauma because the GWOT's massive increase in all of us wearing body armor meant you saw much less trunk injuries. (If it got through the armor, you didn't need first aid usually). Couple that with the proliferation of really good and cheap premade tourniquet's and new medical knowledge that it didn't automatically mean you were loosing a limb if you slapped one on and you see a lot of use.
My FF/Paramedic buddies say they get a lot of use in car accidents these days too. Apparently they see a lot of *expletive deleted*ed up and bleeding legs in accidents, and they can slap a CAT on real quick before they extract someone from a vehicle so that they don't bleed out in the extraction process.
I have, I don't know, 10 or so CAT's between one's I've bought and one's I was issued. Two in truck trauma kit, one on each war belt, one on plate carrier, one on each chest rig, wife's got a couple in her car, three on my Army Issue load carrier, one in my hiking pack FAK. Probably a couple others floating around.
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There's only one rule for a gun fight.
Survive.
Clearly one can overcomplicate something and one can also oversimplify it.
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When I took my paramedic training back in the early 80's, tourniquets were generally not used, nor did we have the more complex bandages of today. I am actually thinking of taking one of those stop the bleed classes just to update my knowledge as to current techniques and gear.
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https://www.vigrtraining.com/product-page/grounded-wounded-lithia-fl-3-19-20-2022
I'm taking this class next month. It includes some more training on traumatic first aid. I'm interested in how it's going to differ from the modern Army first aid.
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When I took my paramedic training back in the early 80's, tourniquets were generally not used, nor did we have the more complex bandages of today. I am actually thinking of taking one of those stop the bleed classes just to update my knowledge as to current techniques and gear.
I'm sure you have much more info than me, given your occupation, but basic stop the bleed classes seem to be available almost everywhere these days, often for free.
I'm actually paying for mine, held at my LGS, because it's going to have a gunshot and self-application component to it. While nowhere near as intensive as what Dogmush posted, they did say, "bring clothes that you don't mind ruining", as they are apparently doing a lot of squirting fake blood stuff.
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Clearly one can overcomplicate something and one can also oversimplify it.
OKaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....
Surviving is too simple conceptually.
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I'm telling you guys...
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PLUS
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I'm telling you guys...
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PLUS
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There's no room on my EDC belt for that.
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That's why you NEED a tactical wheel barrow.
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That's why you NEED a tactical wheel barrow.
And a debarked Chihuahua...
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OKaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....
Surviving is too simple conceptually.
"You only need to remember one thing when you're investing: make lots of money."
"The only rule you have to consider when dating is to have sex with a woman."
"My grandpappy told me that the trick about riding a horse is to not be Christopher Reeve."
I'm honestly not sure if you intended it to be a ridiculous mockery of something or were trying to come across in a low growl like Clint Eastwood giving advice to an earnest greenhorn, but it sure landed more on the "hurr durr" side when I read it.
Surviving is absolutely a goal, but I'm not sure clicking your heels together and wishing for it is the way to develop the skills to do it any more than trying to remember a bazillion simple rules and loading up on niche gear is.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Visions of Cordex sitting in his den, pursing his lips and tsk tsking like a school marm... :old:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yer *expletive deleted*ing killing me!
:rofl:
""You only need to remember one thing when you're investing: make lots of money."
If you fail, you get to try again with a different investment philosophy.
"The only rule you have to consider when dating is to have sex with a woman."
If you fail, you get to try again with another woman, or maybe even the same woman.
"There's only one rule for a gun fight.
Survive."
If you fail, you can train, plan, prepare more effiiciently for the next..... wait, no you can't, because you're *expletive deleted*ing dead. It's as simple as that. You either survive, of you don't. It's literally a binary thing.
All of your training, all of the *expletive deleted*it you hang off your belt or stuff in your pockets, all of the scenarios, all of the planning for the aftermath of an armed encounter... that doesn't mean squat if you don't do the one simple thing -- survive the gunfight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs73-eVBu6I
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You know, I've never seen that movie...
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So for all the people out there more current than I, is there a recommended brand/type of tourniquet these days?
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So for all the people out there more current than I, is there a recommended brand/type of tourniquet these days?
What I want to know, and I guess I can ask when I take the class is of the knockoffs are any good. I have a couple of the CAT gen7 tourniquets but also bought a three pack of the CAT knockoffs for practice and am not sure I can see a big difference. Other than cost, by a lot.
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North American Rescue's Combat Action Tourniquet and TacMed's SOF-T are the two that I have and have been issued.
They tend to be about $30 a piece.
I don't know from experience, but based on other Asian knock off products I've used, this is not the application I would use lesser materials, fasteners, or inferior stitching. For these things to work correctly, you really need to crank on them. That's a bad time to find out the windless strap isn't stitched in very well.
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If you fail, you can train, plan, prepare more effiiciently for the next..... wait, no you can't, because you're *expletive deleted*ing dead. It's as simple as that. You either survive, of you don't. It's literally a binary thing.
All of your training, all of the *expletive deleted*it you hang off your belt or stuff in your pockets, all of the scenarios, all of the planning for the aftermath of an armed encounter... that doesn't mean squat if you don't do the one simple thing -- survive the gunfight.
And here I was holding out hope that you were just ineffectively trolling.
I guess I'll have to defer to the unfathomable expertise of the stoic, steely-eyed killer who pocket carries his .22LR on the rare occasion his CCW is actually current. ;)
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Cordex at home...
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Cordex at home...
When they're dead they're just hookers!
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When they're dead they're just hookers!
The best thing about a dead hooker is that the second hour is free.
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I never had any issues with the CAT that comes with the standard-issue IFAK, at least during the several times we trained with it or when I practiced applying one to my own appendages.