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‘By, and for the powerful ELITE’: Tulsi Gabbard TORCHES Democrats in announcement about leaving the party and DAMN (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/10/11/by-and-for-the-powerful-elite-tulsi-gabbard-torches-democrats-in-announcement-about-leaving-the-party-and-damn-watch/
I heard about this. This was the first link I saw. I don't know what affect it will have.
Tulsi Gabbard 🌺
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I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are…
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The majority of the media will downplay or suppress news of Tulsi's announcement.
I remember over the years I've had some pretty big differences of opinion with Tulsi, but she at least seemed to be sane, the kind of person I'd be able to converse with in a civilized manner if we ever met face to face. That's not the case with a LOT of other democrats.
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Does Tulsi still want to ban my guns? :mad:
https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Tulsi_Gabbard_Gun_Control.htm
I will give her props for calling the democrats anti-white.
Most Republicans are too afraid to say that.
(I would still never vote for her, since she is anti-gun and pro-human abortion.)
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The majority of the media will downplay or suppress news of Tulsi's announcement.
I remember over the years I've had some pretty big differences of opinion with Tulsi, but she at least seemed to be sane, the kind of person I'd be able to converse with in a civilized manner if we ever met face to face. That's not the case with a LOT of other democrats.
This is much my opinion of her. She is the dems before they went insane. I may never agree with her (or she with me) on many points, but in something like a presidential election, if my guy loses, who would I rather have in the WH - Her or Harris (or Hillary)?
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I was trying to listen to her new podcast during lunch, but it is way too depressing:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5sdneemtS5yZNqiAnMFCW1?si=-pWFfjgWRRW-hb-7mKN1_Q&utm_source=copy-link
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Meanwhile "She's a Russian" is trending on Twitter, and I don't even need to click it to know who they're crying about now.
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Meanwhile "She's a Russian" is trending on Twitter, and I don't even need to click it to know who they're crying about now.
I was unaware (or forgot) that apparently Hillary Clinton started that whole thing.
Hillary called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian Kompromat who Putin would run as a third party candidate to siphon votes
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I was unaware (or forgot) that apparently Hillary Clinton started that whole thing.
I forgot, too. So risible, but I'm sure people believed it.
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Tulsa Gabbard didn't kill herself.
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Listening to it now she’s pretty redpilled, including the 2A, and pissed the *expletive deleted*ck off
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Let's not forget she endorsed Biden and held many other questionable positions. Although she telling the simple plain truth is commendable (what was that quote about speaking the truth is bravery?), I believe she is also reading the creaks and groans of the hull and jumping ship like any rat would before anyone on the bridge would actually acknowledge the inevitable :P The Democratic party is absolutely frigged. Barring MASSIVE voter fraud or nuclear war they are going to get erased in the midterms and beyond.
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Barring MASSIVE voter fraud or nuclear war they are going to get erased in the midterms and beyond.
I don't believe that.
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Barring MASSIVE voter fraud or nuclear war they are going to get erased in the midterms and beyond.
Midterms? Yeah, I think they'll go poorly for the dems but predicting much beyond that is foolish.
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A Fox poll (which you would expect to bias right) that I saw this morning seems to be currently predicting only a +4 majority for Rs in the House. Anything can happen in a month though.
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Is anyone else dreading seeing how poorly the GOP will squander their gains in Congress?
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Is anyone else dreading seeing how poorly the GOP will squander their gains in Congress?
That’s a funny way to spell Kevin McCarthy.
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A Fox poll (which you would expect to bias right) that I saw this morning seems to be currently predicting only a +4 majority for Rs in the House. Anything can happen in a month though.
I suspect this is an accurate assessment. I also think the Republicans will lose a seat or two in the Senate.
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With Tulsi Gabbard Out Of Democratic Party, Title Of Hottest Democrat Goes Back To Nancy Pelosi
https://babylonbee.com/news/with-tulsi-gabbard-out-of-democratic-party-title-of-hottest-democrat-goes-back-to-nancy-pelosi
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/dOl2LFw0RbTMc/200w.gif?cid=82a1493b2g91mnh7qu4g7vwdgeo0a36xd3vk309bbbkyysn0&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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Is anyone else dreading seeing how poorly the GOP will squander their gains in Congress?
I think you mistyped. They won't squander their gains poorly. They will do an OUTSTANDING job of squandering their gains. =)
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I think you mistyped. They won't squander their gains poorly. They will do an OUTSTANDING job of squandering their gains. =)
The GOP sort of reminds me of the "professional wrestler" that seemingly gains an advantage over his opponent, then instead of putting him away, turns his back and waves to the crowd, deliberately ignoring the shouted warnings that his opponent is getting up and about to clobber him. (Of course he ignores the warnings - that's the way it was rehearsed.)
In other words, a lot of it is just a show full of fakery.
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The GOP sort of reminds me of the "professional wrestler" that seemingly gains an advantage over his opponent, then instead of putting him away, turns his back and waves to the crowd, deliberately ignoring the shouted warnings that his opponent is getting up and about to clobber him. (Of course he ignores the warnings - that's the way it was rehearsed.)
In other words, a lot of it is just a show full of fakery.
I believe "kayfabe" is the term you're looking for.
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My prediction:
Tulsi joins libertarians meaning enough R's go over there and R's lose the presidential election - R's win midterm and promptly go to war/raise taxes/compromise on gun issues by red flagging everyone who doesn't like high taxes and biden wins second term
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Does Tulsi still want to ban my guns? :mad:
https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Tulsi_Gabbard_Gun_Control.htm
I will give her props for calling the democrats anti-white.
Most Republicans are too afraid to say that.
(I would still never vote for her, since she is anti-gun and pro-human abortion.)
I don't know about abortion, but if you go to about 7.30 in the following video, she's tweeted that she's getting ready to announce a volte-face on guns. How much of a change? We'll see.
https://news.aroutfitting.com/2022/10/06/why-is-anti-gun-tulsi-gabbard-shooting-an-ar-15/
Also, she's going to be campaigning for one of those spooky, MAGA Republicans running for office.
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2022/10/12/it-begins-tulsi-gabbard-to-campaign-for-bolduc-in-new-hampshire-n502702
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Sen Michael Bennet (D-CO) on Gun Control
Background checks work in Colorado, should work nationally
My state--which is a Western state, the Second Amendment state--passed the background checks that are waiting for Mitch McConnell to put on the floor. Every year, about 2 or 3% of the people that try to buy a gun in Colorado can't buy a gun; and they are murderers and they are domestic abusers and they are convicted felons of violent crimes. There is nobody who could defend any of those people having a firearm. If we can do it in Colorado, certainly, we could do it nationally.
Source: CBS Face the Nation interview for Democratic 2020 Veepstakes , Aug 11, 2019
Even coming from a "gun state," this bonehead Democrat doesn't (or didn't know what he is (or was) talking about.
There are many reasons for a denial not involving felonies or violent crimes. I don't know if he's been told the truth by the DNC or not by now, 2022, but this snippet illustrates that these jerks are creating and touting legislation under faulty knowledge.
This brings me to my point that "Tulsi" was elected to represent her constituency, and her constituency (Hawaiians) is overwhelmingly ignorant of the Western principles involving liberty and self-determination.
I read a translation of the Second Amendment from Hawaiian back into English a while ago and it read "...of the people (militia) shall not be infringed."
Just like that, with "militia" falsely inserted in parenthesis. This gives a totally different flavor to the meaning of the Second Amendment.
I have no doubt that "Tulsi" could well have, with all integrity, become more familiar with those principles of freedom and self-determination which would have been almost totally absent in her constituency.
I was active on the Hawaiian gun site for many years and figure I know what I'm talking about on Hawaiian attitudes.
See 2ahawaii.com
In any case, we should not be knocking someone who has so eloquently summarized our basic positions on so many "lib versus con" matters.
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Why are you putting her first name in quotations?
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Double post, sorry.
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(I would still never vote for her, since she is anti-gun and pro-human abortion.)
So who do you vote for in Presidential elections? No Republican candidate in my lifetime that has made it past the first month of primaries has ever been "anti-abortion". They have been either "don't ask, don't tell" (effectively pro-abortion) and avoiding the question, or "against abortion except in the case of X,Y, or Z", or "against abortion after X weeks".
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Why are you putting her first name in quotations?
Is that all you've got to say about that post, dogmush?
Tulsi is a spice.
"Tulsi has many benefits for the body, mind, and spirit, offering support on both physical and subtle levels."
I just checked back with 2ahawaii.com and I'm still on it (as 230RN) after two-three years of not posting, so I had to log back in. I tell ya true, no lie, I got sick of the... underlying, unstated, unrecognized 'statist' attitude of Hawaiians in general. The military folks there (temporarily) seem to be less... 'statist' than the general shooting community, but what got me frustrated was that so many folks on the gun board just kind of "went along" with so many... dare I use the word, even here?.... infringements. (Oh G-d, I feel like I just used one of those seven George Carlin words.)
As, I suppose, in conclusion, so did "Tulsi."
Terry, 230RN
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Is that all you've got to say about that post, dogmush?
I mean....yeah?
It was a well written, cogent post, but I already knew about Hawaii's 2A "Community" and their lack of actually caring about guns. I wasn't surprised by the Colorado (D)'s comments as I kinda think of Colorado as a state unfriendly to gun rights. So I didn't really have anything to add to your writing on those topics. I don't really care about Tulsi's political standings as she's unlikely to be in an election I can vote for or against her in.
Which left just my curiosity on why you used quotes around her given name to spark a comment. No offense meant.
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OK, thanks. Gotcha. Problem is we the gun people are not necesssarily aware that Hawaii is a really gun-negative cadre of people. This has been attributed (by others) to the high percentage of Asian and other Pacific Islanders. King Kamehameha the Great is still held in very high regard by many out there.
It has been said by Marshall McLuhan that Colorado and California are the political harbingers of the future, so look out, flyover states. Right now, as someone noted, Colorado is in a three-way headlock on liberal governance. You ought to hear the misleading and outright false stuff being put out by Dem candidates right now. They've appropriated the "extremist" label and they can't mention "republicans" without using that extremist label.
They started campaigning early, I guess on the "first impressions count" premise and to put Republicans on the defensive, having to justify stuff that's really 50-50 to the public. Well played, I must say. But they are, after all, the better players.
Yeah, watch out, flyover states. Who's next?
Terry, 230RN
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So who do you vote for in Presidential elections?
Good question. I don't have a good answer.
Trump, as squishy as he is on abortion managed to appoint three judges that voted to overturn Roe. I never thought that would happen. Correct me if I am wrong, but a GOP majority court gave us Roe... and every Republican President since (except the monster Trump!) has appointed at least one pro-Roe justice.
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OK, thanks. Gotcha. Problem is we the gun people are not necesssarily aware that Hawaii is a really gun-negative cadre of people.
We're not? I must not have gotten the memo. I thought pretty much all "gun" people were aware of just how 2A-unfriendly Hawaii is.
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We're not? I must not have gotten the memo. I thought pretty much all "gun" people were aware of just how 2A-unfriendly Hawaii is.
The point was that she was being chastised for possible previous anti g stances when this was quite probably due to (A) the anti mileau in which she lived and (B) the fact that she had that sort of a constituency to serve / represent / "pander" to. So now, apparently free of that burden and that anti influence and can think and speak on her own instead of with DNC influence, she actually got a rush of brains to the head.
Why are you challenging that?
Here's the memo, short form:
Hawaii is notoriously statist hence anti gun.
She served an electorate which was notoriously statist hence anti gun.
She no longer serves that group of statists.
She now can think for herself and can speak as a conservative. Very eloquently, I might add.
Now it's not impossible that she sensed a sea change from blue to red in the country as a whole and is lying through her teeth with a view toward running for something as a republican.
But if she can spout our message that well, that's ju-u-ust fine with me.
Terry, 230RN
P.S. I quote myself, "...not necessarily aware."
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People CAN change - I mean, Reagan started out as a democrat, and he ended up generally OK.
I'm willing to consider the assertion that Tulsi has changed her mind on some things, but I'm not going to buy in fully until I see what she actually does going forward. ("Trust but verify.")
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People CAN change - I mean, Reagan started out as a democrat, and he ended up generally OK.
I'm willing to consider the assertion that Tulsi has changed her mind on some things, but I'm not going to buy in fully until I see what she actually does going forward. ("Trust but verify.")
This is a good way to look at her for the time being.
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Let's not forget she was representing a bunch of antigun superstatist mindlocked people.
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I watched what looks to be the first podcast of her new show, and it appears she's looking to do the same kind of thing Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and even Teddy Roosevelt for his third term attempt tried to do, and that is give some oomph to a third party. I don't know if that means she's looking at a presidential run, or hoping to generally make an impact for a viable third party.
It seems there is a push again for that from both left and right, moreso than normal. Just look at what happened to AOC a few days ago. Also, it appears Oregon has a very viable third party candidate for Governor. A former democrat who appears to be quite pro 2nd Amendment, and seems to be gaining quite a bit of conservative support. The dems there seem worried that she's going to pull a Ross Perot.
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Let's not forget she was representing a bunch of antigun superstatist mindlocked people.
Good point - elected officials always reliably represent the people in their districts. ;)
I watched what looks to be the first podcast of her new show, and it appears she's looking to do the same kind of thing Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and even Teddy Roosevelt for his third term attempt tried to do, and that is give some oomph to a third party. . . .
I really hope that should a third party emerge, it's extremely leftist so it siphons more votes from the D's than the R's. After all, Perot was somewhat conservative, and is the reason we got Clinton. Twice. But it was lefty Nader and the Green Party that helped keep Gore out of office. If Tulsi throws her weight behind a somewhat conservative third party, we'll be able to see that she's still a democrat at heart, and is simply trying to ensure a D win.
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Good point - elected officials always reliably represent the people in their districts. ;)
I think the point is that she couldn't have been elected in Hawaii, if she had openly supported gun rights.
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^, ^
Sarcasm noted, Hank B. :roffle:
But she was not elected by the people of Midcity, Midstate, U.S.A. And thank you, Perd.
I was concerned about a possible Conservative Dilution Party (and still am) but there's this angle:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tulsi-gabbard-favored-over-mike-pence-to-win-2024-gop-nomination-e2-80-94bookmakers/ar-AA12UBbi
"Tulsi Gabbard has overtaken former Vice President Mike Pence as third favorite to win the Republican nomination for the 2024 election after leaving the Democratic Party, bookmakers have said."
And considering Trump's age and the possibility of gathering the "finally, a woman for president" vote, it's something to rub one's chin about. (Was she born on U.S. soil?)
Terry "Doesn't bet on unsure things,but seizes gleefully on positive conservative conjecture," 230RN
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Perot was anti-gun, and pro-abortion and pro socialized medicine.
Tulsi appears to still be pro-abortion and pro-socialized medicine.
Maybe no longer anti-gun, we will see.
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. . . Was she born on U.S. soil? . . .
Wikipedia says "Gabbard was born on April 12, 1981, in Leloaloa, Maʻopūtasi County, on American Samoa's main island of Tutuila"
I think a U.S. territory qualifies as U.S. soil.
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Wikipedia says "Gabbard was born on April 12, 1981, in Leloaloa, Maʻopūtasi County, on American Samoa's main island of Tutuila"
I think a U.S. territory qualifies as U.S. soil.
Thanks. I checked out Wiki on her place of birth, but I'm still not sure about her Constitutional qualifications.
I'm just being wary of another Obama "citizenship" brou-ha-ha, as with amended birth certificates. It would be good to get that firmly settled before going further with possible Vice-Presidential candidacy.
Actually, I'd almost rather see her as Speaker of the House, but that's pretty remote at this point unless she moves to another State or something.
Positions? I've been voting for over six decades and I have never agreed completely with any candidate's positions.
Just cloud-watching is all. Oh, see? That one looks like an elephant!
Terry, 230RN
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(Was she born on U.S. soil?)
The Constitution doesn't demand that presidents be born in the US. They just have to be born as citizens.
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Remember some dems making a fuss during the 08 election over the fact McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
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Remember some dems making a fuss during the 08 election over the fact McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Strangely, that was not considered racist.
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Thanks. I checked out Wiki on her place of birth, but I'm still not sure about her Constitutional qualifications.
I'm just being wary of another Obama "citizenship" brou-ha-ha, as with amended birth certificates. It would be good to get that firmly settled before going further with possible Vice-Presidential candidacy.
Actually, I'd almost rather see her as Speaker of the House, but that's pretty remote at this point unless she moves to another State or something.
Positions? I've been voting for over six decades and I have never agreed completely with any candidate's positions.
Just cloud-watching is all. Oh, see? That one looks like an elephant!
Terry, 230RN
Agree with that. Some I thought I agreed with but realized later it was far less than I thought.
If they are at least pro-American and not communists, I think I can work with that.
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The point was that she was being chastised for possible previous anti g stances when this was quite probably due to (A) the anti mileau in which she lived and (B) the fact that she had that sort of a constituency to serve / represent / "pander" to. So now, apparently free of that burden and that anti influence and can think and speak on her own instead of with DNC influence, she actually got a rush of brains to the head.
Why are you challenging that?
I challenged nothing you said about Ms. Gabbard. The statement I questioned was this one:
Problem is we the gun people are not necesssarily aware that Hawaii is a really gun-negative cadre of people.
I certainly don't know all "gun people," but I do know a fair number -- and all of those whom I know are well aware that Hawaii is even less gun-friendly and 2A-friendly than New York, Massachusetts, or New Jersey.
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I certainly don't know all "gun people," but I do know a fair number -- and all of those whom I know are well aware that Hawaii is even less gun-friendly and 2A-friendly than New York, Massachusetts, or New Jersey.
I've never heard that Hawaii was worse than any of the continental anti-gun states.
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Agree with that. Some I thought I agreed with but realized later it was far less than I thought.
If they are at least pro-American and not communists, I think I can work with that.
Trouble is, you're talking like an extremist... at least according to the Dem ads on TV. Because Communism is the new middle of the road. As has been planned for a long time, and accomplished with the use of whatchamacallem... "useful idiots?"
"Create chaos, 'solve' it with Communism."
And those idiots cannot see through that strategy.
Worse than... better than?
Relative statements.
They're all the same. Anti firearms.
It's just that when anyone lists anti-gun states, Hawaii is not mentioned very often, but where you have to bring new guns down to the PD for registration, that's plenty for me to say "Tulsi" comes from an anti-gun environment.
Which was the basis for my observations.
Oh, boy! Maui just issued its first concealed carry permit. Yay!
The first, mind you.
I'm not going to "defend" that Hawaii remark any more, Hawkmoon, so have at it.
Terry, 230RN
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FWIW, I went looking for the various lists of worst states for gun owners. Hawaii did appear as #1 on one of them, but New York gets top billing on one of the commonly-cited lists. One list even has Hawaii as 9th-worst.
Doesn't mean Hawaii isn't the worst, but it may say something about how much people know about that state's gun laws and anti-gun attitudes.
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Relative statements, Perd. The facts remain. I don't see how documenting "how bad" Hawaii is affects my observations as to the background from which she has emerged. Or my remark about not all "gunnies" are aware of the anti-attitude in Hawaii. How many know you need an MD certification to own a gun in Hawaii?
Go browse 2ahawaii.com . Tell 'em I sent you. :roffle:
Enough on this molehill of a side issue.
Terry, 230RN
Addendum: I think this was my last post there:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=32172.msg284843#msg284843
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I've never heard that Hawaii was worse than any of the continental anti-gun states.
I think the statistic is that -- although on paper Hawaii issues carry permits -- the fact is that there have only been six permits issued in 21 years, in the entire state. Since the NYSRPA v Bruen decision, there has only been ONE new permit issued.
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Relative statements, Perd. The facts remain. I don't see how documenting "how bad" Hawaii is affects my observations as to the background from which she has emerged.
I don't, either. Just exploring a topic that's relatively new to me.
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So if you want to see where Tulsi is on guns now, this is the video to watch:
https://youtu.be/RvkrlvYFlEU
(It's an hour long (but see below), so the gist of it is that she says having been raised in Hawaii and in that culture, and not being around guns much, even in the military, her old views were that the idea of the second amendment as a line in the sand against a tyrannical government just didn't play out in the United States, because how could this "democracy" ever become tyrannical? That's just stuff for fringe people.
Then she began seeing that (see this video: https://youtu.be/VRZQNn6VZnY) holy crap, could the US really turn tyrannical?!? She says that what is currently going on in the country is what opened her eyes to the Second Amendment. She seems sincere.
Anyway, I've actually subscribed to her channel. I usually have a hard time sitting through hour long youtube monologues, but hers have gotten my attention. Even if I don't agree with everything she says, she is giving cogent and thoughtful arguments that are making me thoughtful regarding my own opinions. It's what civil debate used to be before the world got crazy.
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As I've said before, I think Tulsi is someone who genuinely loves America and - whether I agree with her on specific issues or not - I think she is interested in the well-being of the nation. I can appreciate political opponents like her.
I like a lot of what she had to say about guns in that video, but how she would apply her newfound approval of the second amendment if she were ever to be in a position of political power again is still a question.
I'm not ready to vote for her - especially since guns aren't the only issue she and I have at least historically disagreed on, but I appreciate her at least coming out and taking an unpopular stand.
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Oh hell, we're losing Ben...
BEN! COME BACK TO US, BEN!
Sorry, Steve, he's a liberal now. You'll have to get used to vegan dog food...
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Oh hell, we're losing Ben...
BEN! COME BACK TO US, BEN!
Sorry, Steve, he's a liberal now. You'll have to get used to vegan dog food...
Well, they say that dogs are democrats, so I guess I'm joining Steve. The Republican cat will not be happy. :laugh:
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As I've said before, I think Tulsi is someone who genuinely loves America and - whether I agree with her on specific issues or not - I think she is interested in the well-being of the nation. I can appreciate political opponents like her.
I like a lot of what she had to say about guns in that video, but how she would apply her newfound approval of the second amendment if she were ever to be in a position of political power again is still a question.
I'm not ready to vote for her - especially since guns aren't the only issue she and I have at least historically disagreed on, but I appreciate her at least coming out and taking an unpopular stand.
I agree with all that. A lot of people are still saying "It's a trap!". Guns and Gadgets put out a pretty scathing video about that yesterday.
As for me, I'd like to still see some proof as well, but so far she seems to have genuinely been red-pilled, or more so libertarian pilled, which I guess she has always leaned toward, and I think that libertarian bent is what has caused her to change her views. I don't think she had an epiphany on the 2nd Amendment alone. From what she's been talking about, she's had an epiphany that yes, the US actually could become totalitarian, and that her old party is driving that, and the 2nd Amendment realignment is an offshoot of that realization.
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Is she still in favor of killing children in the womb, and socialist medicine?
Let me know when she actually does something pro-gun, instead of just talking about it.
Politicians are liars, and she has a history of voting for banning guns.
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[checks to see what office Gabbard is running for]
Give her some space, and let's see where she goes. She's kicking the Dem. Party in the teeth just before an important set of elections. That much we can trust, so why not be happy about it?
If she says she's running for office again, then it will be time to look at her sideways.
By the same token, we don't have to beatify her, either.
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I recall reading she's in some kind of cult, but it was so long ago I could never find a link..
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[checks to see what office Gabbard is running for]
Give her some space, and let's see where she goes. She's kicking the Dem. Party in the teeth just before an important set of elections. That much we can trust, so why not be happy about it?
If she says she's running for office again, then it will be time to look at her sideways.
By the same token, we don't have to beatify her, either.
I pretty much agree, and I will add ... she seems quite smart, she could know that the party and culture of double mastectomies for healthy little girls and indoctrination of little boys to be little girls , the destroy your kids party - is heading for a major backlash ...
It seems to me that she has done some research of some kind and knows something ....
Or, it could be an honest conversion - I was a lefty liberal in the 70's / 80's - it wasn't until BJ Clinton ( ok william jefferson clinton )
and his wife decided to destroy monica did I reject all things liberal.
the more I know the more I listen and learn, the more right/libertarian/anarchist/christian/talmudic/westerner I become.
She could be just an honest gal, I sure hope so, but she's not running and supporting what seems to be good people ...
Maybe she's angling for VP under trump - turning hawaii red would be fun
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I think she's 41. Why does this matter?
Sir Winston Churchill is often credited* with the saying "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head."
MAYBE Tulsi has had an awakening.
Maybe. Let's keep an eye on her and pay attention to what she actually DOES as time goes on. For now I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, but as far as I'm concerned she's on probation. And there's nothing "double secret" about it.
* This supposed Churchillian quote - or some variation of it - was around long before Churchill arrived on the scene.
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Sir Winston Churchill is often credited* with the saying "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head."
MAYBE Tulsi has had an awakening.
As have we all. As Gunsmith alludes, are there any of us with some years behind us that have the same philosophy and morals as we did at 20 now at 40, or 50, or 60? Twenty year old Ben was kind of an idiot. I'm hoping 62 year old Ben is less of an idiot.
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Fortunately I was 40 when I was born.
I had my first political awakening in the run up to the 1976 presidential elections.
My Grandfather followed politics closely (not a particularly well educated man, but my God was he smart, insightful, and highly analytical). He was not a fan of Roosevelt or the New Deal.
Grandpa and I watched the televised debate between Ford and Carter. I don't remember much about it, but I do remember thinking that Carter was just making NO sense whatever. I asked Grandpa, and he confirmed... Carter was making no sense at all.
I would have loved to have known Grandpa's views on Ronald Reagan, but by the time the 1980 elections came around Grandpa had had the first of a couple of strokes and Grandma had died, all of which otherwise directed his attention.
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Fortunately I was 40 when I was born.
I had my first political awakening in the run up to the 1976 presidential elections.
My Grandfather followed politics closely (not a particularly well educated man, but my God was he smart, insightful, and highly analytical). He was not a fan of Roosevelt or the New Deal.
I mean, I have always been a Republican, from 18 on, and much of that was through my parents influence. However I was kind of a superficial Republican.
For instance, even though I was already into guns, at 20, I probably wouldn't have cared if there was an "assault weapons" ban. I wouldn't have been for it, but wouldn't have cared much if one passed. It wasn't until I got some age and experience and the patience to thoroughly study and understand issues that I began to consider consequences beyond talking points.
I also considered myself an environmentalist. I loved hunting and fishing and backpacking, so why wouldn't I want to protect the Earth? I was in the Sierra Club and subscribed to Outside Magazine and fully behind protecting the environment. It wasn't until I got some age and experience and the patience to look under the surface of "environmentalism" and see it for the socialism that it was/is, that I came to realize I was really more of a conservationist and that environmentalists are morons.
I'd like to think that if I was in my 20s in the 2000s instead of the 80s, that I would have had more thoroughly considered the above issues. Certainly I think I wouldn't have considered myself an environmentalist considering how militant they were by that time.
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1976?
I was 11.
Guns? I can't remember a time when I wasn't fascinated by guns.
I will admit, however, that I didn't much care about the machine gun restrictions in the 1986 law. I was 21 then. It wasn't until later that I began to care about that.
My bad.
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Tulsi Gabbard discusses 2A and gun control with Steve Scalise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkrlvYFlEU
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Same: Head versus heart, except transition for me was at college in early 'fifties.
Raised in NYC's elementary school system, I still remember eighth grade, with a Mr. Piana, our civics teacher, telling us that there was no good reason for a person to keep more than $50,000 in earnings and other anti-capitalist dicta. Lived with the NYC School System's propaganda until I got to college.
That was when a dorm-mate got me going on Ayn Rand's works. Did not agree completely, but it was like a window opening and my head started to take over.
I still remember with Kodachrome clarity, that damned Mr. Piana making those $50,000 a year remarks and writing 50,000! in big letters on the blackboard.
Terry, 230RN
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Same: Head versus heart, except transition for me was at college in early 'fifties.
Raised in NYC's elementary school system, I still remember eighth grade, when a Mr. Piana, our civics teacher, telling us that there was no good reason for a person to keep more than $50,000 in earnings and other anti-capitalist dicta. Lived with the NYC School System's propaganda until I got to college.
That was when a dorm-mate got me going on Ayn Rand's works. Did not agree completely, but it was like a window opening and my head started to take over.
I still remember with Kodachrome clarity, that damned Mr. Piana making those $50,000 a year remarks and writing 50,000! in big letters on the blackboard.
Terry, 230RN
Anyone know of a rich lefty that willingly give up most of their money?
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. . . I still remember eighth grade, when a Mr. Piana, our civics teacher, telling us that there was no good reason for a person to keep more than $50,000 in earnings and other anti-capitalist dicta . . .
I had a teacher in high school who said much the same thing - he was mighty displeased with me when I asked what society was going to do when doctors all went on sabbatical at the end of the 1st quarter, electricians and plumbers all quit mid year, etc. He didn't quite grasp that once people hit his "government mandated maximum income" they would simply stop working and go on vacation.