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Title: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 01, 2022, 08:25:22 PM
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A reparations committee in California has suggested that descendants of slaves in the state could be compensated $223,200 each for 'housing discrimination'.

The nine-member Reparations Task Force was formed by California Governor Gavin Newsom as part of the country's largest ever effort to address reparations for slavery.

And this is just for "housing discrimination".  They still have reparations for mass incarceration, unjust property seizures, devaluation of Black businesses and health care to decide on.

Bet the usual suspects will start screaming this isn't enough.

Gavin Newsom's reparations committee will recommend handing out $223,200 per person to all descendants of slaves in California for 'housing discrimination' at a cost of $559BN - in nation's biggest restitution effort ever
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11491263/California-reparations-committee-recommend-handing-223-200-descendant-slaves.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2022, 08:37:43 PM
What's the documentation for proof of ancestry to show they are decedents of American slaves? If someone who's grandparents immigrated here from Africa post our slavery era were to get it, that would be interesting, since many of us whiteys are descendants of slaves on the European continent and should thus also be entitled.

Nevertheless, as long as it's just California, they can make it $1million per person and no ID required for all I care. In fact I would encourage pro-reparations blacks from all over the country to move to California and to take advantage of the program.

Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2022, 09:44:17 PM
How many slaves were in California prior to emancipation? 
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on December 01, 2022, 11:16:21 PM
How many slaves were in California prior to emancipation?
Maybe quite a few. The Spanish enslaved Indians, and people like convicts and Chinese laborers & prostitutes were also effectively enslaved. So if they want to do "the right thing" a WHOLE LOT of people OTHER than Blacks are also deserving of reparations.

This will be a great drawing card to attract groups from other states - maybe California will reverse the numbers on immigration/emigration and start growing again.

Oh, and one final thought - since requiring documentation (voter ID) to cast a ballot is discriminatory, so too will requiring documentation to prove one had an enslaved ancestor. (Family tradition holds that I had a great-great-multi-great grandpa name of Trayvon Kinte who was a slave in Old California . . . when do I get my check?)
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2022, 07:19:33 AM
Maybe quite a few. The Spanish enslaved Indians,

And Indians enslaved Indians. But it is forbidden to talk about that nowadays lest you be labeled a far right extremist MAGA facist.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on December 02, 2022, 07:47:52 AM
I'm Welsh. My ancestors were very likely enslaved by the Romans at some point in time.

I NEED TO BE MADE WHOLE!

If California, in their infinite wisdom, wants to flush that much of their tax payer's money down the toilet, that's their choice.

But how much do you want to bet that they'll come screaming to the Feds for loans to prop up the damage this is going to do to their budget?

Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2022, 07:52:21 AM

But how much do you want to bet that they'll come screaming to the Feds for loans to prop up the damage this is going to do to their budget?

That's a given
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2022, 08:21:11 AM
But how much do you want to bet that they'll come screaming to the Feds for loans to prop up the damage this is going to do to their budget?

Sadly a consideration. I recall that Trump told them to get bent on a number of things, including the stupid bullet train, and then within a month of Brandon coming in, they got a big influx of money for all the handout asks they were previously refused.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on December 02, 2022, 08:39:29 AM
Sadly a consideration. I recall that Trump told them to get bent on a number of things, including the stupid bullet train, and then within a month of Brandon coming in, they got a big influx of money for all the handout asks they were previously refused.
I could see the rest of the country pitching in when The Big One* hits - that's a natural disaster, and they ARE Americans (of a sort) after all. But bailing them out because the idiot politicians the idiot voters put into office spent money idiotically? No. In fact, hell no.



*-that's an earthquake, folks.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2022, 08:43:14 AM
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Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2022, 10:30:10 AM
Maybe quite a few. The Spanish enslaved Indians, and people like convicts and Chinese laborers & prostitutes were also effectively enslaved. So if they want to do "the right thing" a WHOLE LOT of people OTHER than Blacks are also deserving of reparations.

This will be a great drawing card to attract groups from other states - maybe California will reverse the numbers on immigration/emigration and start growing again.

Oh, and one final thought - since requiring documentation (voter ID) to cast a ballot is discriminatory, so too will requiring documentation to prove one had an enslaved ancestor. (Family tradition holds that I had a great-great-multi-great grandpa name of Trayvon Kinte who was a slave in Old California . . . when do I get my check?)
Gotta be careful with that "effectively enslaved" label.  That could widen the target audience to all sorts of poor people including Starbucks employees who have to work a whole entire 8 hour shift.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on December 02, 2022, 10:35:12 AM
Gotta be careful with that "effectively enslaved" label.  That could widen the target audience to all sorts of poor people includes Starbucks employees who have to work a whole entire 8 hour shift.
Why wouldn't California include them (along with Amazon employees)? Drop a couple of hundred G's on them and PRESTO! Lifelong Democrat voters!
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: 230RN on December 03, 2022, 02:01:03 PM
A date that will live in infamy...

California officially became the 31st state on September 9, 1850.

That's all I can say about this matter.

And to think I was seriously considering moving out there in the late 1980s.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: gunsmith on December 03, 2022, 03:14:00 PM
 according to some historians, the Irish were held in servitude/sold as slaves in the new world.
 but that's the long difficult route to reparations.
 I can easily move to CA, I live a half hour from there.....
    I'll just identify as black
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: bedlamite on December 05, 2022, 08:43:09 PM
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Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 07, 2022, 10:53:56 AM
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Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2022, 12:13:19 PM
What would taxes on $200k be like in CA?
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on December 07, 2022, 12:16:07 PM
What would taxes on $200k be like in CA?

I guarantee that they will make it free and clear dough, at least as far as state taxes are concerned.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2022, 02:07:47 PM
I guarantee that they will make it free and clear dough, at least as far as state taxes are concerned.

Think about it.
Get the feds to foot most if not all the of the bill, CA then taxes it.
CA dems not only gets a massive voter bribe funded but also get a big $$$ windfall from the taxes. After a little skimming off the top of course.
Rinse repeat in every other state when their "ex slaves"  start whining
It's a win win win for the dems
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on December 07, 2022, 09:07:29 PM
Think about it.
Get the feds to foot most if not all the of the bill, CA then taxes it.
CA dems not only gets a massive voter bribe funded but also get a big $$$ windfall from the taxes. After a little skimming off the top of course.
Rinse repeat in every other state when their "ex slaves"  start whining
It's a win win win for the dems
Hmmm . . . I wonder what it would take to chase the reparation gravy train from state to state . . .  >:D
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2022, 09:21:21 PM
Hmmm . . . I wonder what it would take to chase the reparation gravy train from state to state . . .  >:D

Asking for an ID and proof of residency is racist so......
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 01, 2023, 06:48:41 PM
Black Americans are owed $14 trillion and economics is racist.
Oh and screw the natives only blacks matter.
They're also including time blacks have spend in prison in their calculations

The five ultra-woke economists who'll decide Californian reparations: Policy expert who wants $14 TRILLION to be paid across US, professor who says 'economics is racist' and couple claim Native Americans 'are irrelevant' for payouts
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11590381/The-five-woke-economists-decide-Californians-pay-reparations.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on January 02, 2023, 07:37:42 AM
The Romans repressed and enslaved my Welsh and Breton ancestors.

I demand reparations from Italian Americans.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on January 02, 2023, 07:50:19 AM
The Romans repressed and enslaved my Welsh and Breton ancestors.

I demand reparations from Italian Americans.
Rome is still there - it is the Eternal City, after all. So you should sue both Italy and Rome.

And . . . according to SCIENCE, didn't our ancestors ALL originate in Africa? So by rights, we ALL are due reparations.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on January 02, 2023, 09:20:47 AM
I think that CA should definitely do this.

It would be hilarious!   =D
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on January 03, 2023, 09:56:27 AM
I think I heard North African slave traders may have enslaved more "whites" than the number of African slaves ever brought to the US.  Not sure there is any money to get from North Africa these days. 
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 03, 2023, 09:59:12 AM
I think I heard North African slave traders may have enslaved more "whites" than the number of African slaves ever brought to the US.  Not sure there is any money to get from North Africa these days.

The history is settled
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on January 03, 2023, 10:38:38 AM
I think I heard North African slave traders may have enslaved more "whites" than the number of African slaves ever brought to the US.  Not sure there is any money to get from North Africa these days.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1178147/crude-oil-reserves-in-africa-by-country/

North Africa might be next on the list to receive democracy.  We just gotta finish up Eastern Europe first.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on January 03, 2023, 12:43:34 PM
I think I heard North African slave traders may have enslaved more "whites" than the number of African slaves ever brought to the US.  Not sure there is any money to get from North Africa these days.

Supposedly, around 200K black slaves were imported to the English Colonies and the USA total.  Our black population decends mostly from this 200k.

"Up to" a million Europeans were kidnapped and shipped to North Africa (note these are probably mostly captured by Arabs and other North African Caucasians, not black Africans... and the exact number is obviously unknown).

There were a large number of black slaves imported to the Caribbean and South America... much, much more than were shipped to the English colonies / USA.  More black slaves were shipped to Jamaica than to the USA.

Regarding black African slavery:

The largest group of black slaves were owned by other blacks in Africa.  These tended to have more freedom than black slaves elsewhere, but they were also used for human sacrifice at times.  This is an interesting article about the practice:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/my-great-grandfather-the-nigerian-slave-trader

The second largest group were shipped by Arabs to the middle east and North Africa.  Blacks are not very common in the mid east today, because the Arabs would castrate the male slaves.  Arabs would breed with the slave women, so there is a genetic legacy of black ancestry in the Arabs, but since it is a relatively small percentage, not a lot of them are identifiable as black.

The next largest group of slaves went to South America and the Caribbean (I can't remember which got more).

The USA got the least, around 200k.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2023, 10:12:17 AM
How about $1 million?

Oh and screw white homeless only black homeless matter.

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Kamilah Moore, chair of California's Reparations Task Force, said black homeless people should receive the most aid through compensation for slavery 

Chair of California's reparations task force says black people are owed $1MILLION each, demands black HOMELESS are compensated for 'discriminatory housing practices' - and says the money will 'boost the economy'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11605393/Chair-Californias-reparations-task-force-demands-black-homeless-compensated-slavery.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MillCreek on January 06, 2023, 11:15:17 AM
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1178147/crude-oil-reserves-in-africa-by-country/

North Africa might be next on the list to receive democracy.  We just gotta finish up Eastern Europe first.

I think we should all make careful note of this prediction and check back in a few years.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 28, 2023, 07:38:06 PM
Activist at slavery reparations meeting in California blasts the proposed $223,000 payments - yelling almost a quarter of a million dollars for each black resident is 'NOT ENOUGH'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687177/Activist-California-reparations-meeting-slams-223K-proposed-payments-not-enough.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on January 28, 2023, 08:03:35 PM
OK, I'm convinced . . . but cash payments are not enough. White man's money is worthless to people who've suffered so long and so terribly.

The proper restitution - the ONLY proper restitution for the legacy of slavery - is to return those affected to their ancestral homelands where they can finally achieve equality in a majority Black society which embraces their cultural traditions.

Repatriation, not restitution, should be vigorously pursued for those who think they're due something.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on January 28, 2023, 08:10:54 PM
I'm at a point where I'd give the thumbs up to the $200K per person with the caveat that they must give up their US Citizenship and leave the US for any other country, with the requirement that they're banned from ever entering the US again.

I'm actually at the point where I would favor the same deal for ANYONE who constantly hates on the US and threatens to "move to Canada".
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 28, 2023, 09:21:14 PM
I'm at a point where I'd give the thumbs up to the $200K per person with the caveat that they must give up their US Citizenship and leave the US for any other country, with the requirement that they're banned from ever entering the US again.

I'm actually at the point where I would favor the same deal for ANYONE who constantly hates on the US and threatens to "move to Canada".

Probably would be cheaper in the long run.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 28, 2023, 10:19:36 PM
Probably would be cheaper in the long run.

Is there a Go Fund Me set up?
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on January 28, 2023, 10:29:16 PM
I think we should all make careful note of this prediction and check back in a few years.

Maybe it depends on which multi-national corporation they sign on with.  Definitely something to watch.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: zahc on January 30, 2023, 08:46:09 AM
OK, I'm convinced . . . but cash payments are not enough. White man's money is worthless to people who've suffered so long and so terribly.

The proper restitution - the ONLY proper restitution for the legacy of slavery - is to return those affected to their ancestral homelands where they can finally achieve equality in a majority Black society which embraces their cultural traditions.

Repatriation, not restitution, should be vigorously pursued for those who think they're due something.

About 25% of US blacks trace their paternal lineage to Europe, not Africa. So, if you allow that you actually you would probably get more volunteers from the "Europe is a paradise" set.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on January 31, 2023, 03:03:02 PM
California reparations panel calls for ten prisons to be CLOSED, prisoners to be paid 'fair wage' and given the right to vote
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11696863/California-reparations-panel-calls-compensation-given-prisoners.html

Time to build that wall......around CA
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RocketMan on January 31, 2023, 03:10:33 PM
California reparations panel calls for ten prisons to be CLOSED, prisoners to be paid 'fair wage' and given the right to vote
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11696863/California-reparations-panel-calls-compensation-given-prisoners.html

Time to build that wall......around CA

Too late.  The Californication disease has already spread to other states.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: JTHunter on January 31, 2023, 03:15:48 PM
Supposedly, around 200K black slaves were imported to the English Colonies and the USA total.  Our black population descends mostly from this 200k.

Could this be part of the reason there is so many problems in the black communities?  With that small a number, wouldn't there be too much "inbreeding" that can cause all kinds of genetic problems?  [popcorn]
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: cordex on January 31, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Could this be part of the reason there is so many problems in the black communities?  With that small a number, wouldn't there be too much "inbreeding" that can cause all kinds of genetic problems?  [popcorn]
Not even close.  Even if a population of 200,000 were to exclusively interbreed and never receive genetic material from outside that group (which we know to not be the case) that is at least three orders of magnitude larger than is necessary to avoid most problems from inbreeding.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on January 31, 2023, 08:07:40 PM
Could this be part of the reason there is so many problems in the black communities?  With that small a number, wouldn't there be too much "inbreeding" that can cause all kinds of genetic problems?  [popcorn]

I've done some more reading, and I think I made a mistake.  The actual number of black slaves imported in to the colonies and the USA was more like 500k.  We did, however, still only get a tiny percentage of slaves exported from Africa

 More black slaves were sent to Jamaica (1.02 million!) than the entire USA.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on February 23, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
I have to  :rofl:

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A famed Black Panther who's also a communist has faced calls to pay reparations after discovering her ancestors were white puritans who arrived in the US on the Mayflower.
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And the stunning revelations sparked calls for the famously woke Marxist University of California professor to herself pay reparations, having previously called on whites to pony-up in the past.

Sharing a tweet about the show, conservative pundit Matt Walsh wrote: 'It gets better. She's also descended from a slave owner. On her father's side is a pilgrim. On her mother's side is a slave owner. Looks like Angela Davis owes some reparations.'

Another Twitter user called AK Kamara wrote: 'Angela Davis, the radical Marxist and former black panther, recently discovered she is also the ancestor of colonizers and slave owners. I guess she owes herself reparations. This timeline is hilarious.'
Notorious Black Panther communist Angela Davis faces calls to pay reparations after genealogy show reveals her ancestor was one of the 101 white Puritans who arrived in US on the Mayflower
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11784945/Black-Panther-Angela-Davis-discovers-ancestor-came-Mayflower.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2023, 04:01:37 PM
Not even close.  Even if a population of 200,000 were to exclusively interbreed and never receive genetic material from outside that group (which we know to not be the case) that is at least three orders of magnitude larger than is necessary to avoid most problems from inbreeding.

Thread drift, and I can't recall if we discussed it here, or I read it in a science fiction story, but isn't there a minimum population cohort to populate/repopulate, say a planet?  I am thinking I read a story(ies) about colonizing a new planet or coming back after a mass humanity die-off, and the number was surprisingly small.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2023, 04:12:36 PM
Thread drift, and I can't recall if we discussed it here, or I read it in a science fiction story, but isn't there a minimum population cohort to populate/repopulate, say a planet?  I am thinking I read a story(ies) about colonizing a new planet or coming back after a mass humanity die-off, and the number was surprisingly small.
I don't know how it applies to humans, and it heavily depends on the genetic diversity of the starting group, but IUCN says at least 50 geneticially diverse individuals are required to avoid problems related to inbreeding.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MillCreek on March 14, 2023, 01:12:57 PM
$ 5 million per black person in SF is being proposed.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/san-francisco-to-air-black-reparations-plan-5m-per-person/
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HeroHog on March 14, 2023, 01:19:36 PM
Think I could pass for black?

(http://herohog.com/images/Faces/20200515_224443~2.jpg)
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 14, 2023, 01:24:41 PM
Think I could pass for black?

(http://herohog.com/images/Faces/20200515_224443~2.jpg)

And female
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RocketMan on March 14, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
Go for broke.  Claim to be a black female lesbian.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on March 14, 2023, 03:04:03 PM
Looks like a raging case of vitiligo to me.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 14, 2023, 07:19:08 PM
Can us Hispanics request a payout since the US took Mexican land to include land in California? 
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on March 14, 2023, 08:04:39 PM
Can we request the Mexico take back CA? (I would like to keep Texas please).
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: cordex on March 14, 2023, 09:05:40 PM
Can us Hispanics request a payout since the US took Mexican land to include land in California?
Sure, but only if you aren’t a white hispanic.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 14, 2023, 09:24:38 PM
Sure, but only if you aren’t a white hispanic.


Ah damn.  Mom is Hungarian and Dad is Mexican…..:(
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2023, 08:45:44 AM
This will not end well

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San Francisco residents lined up at a city board meeting last night to share their full-throated support of a wide-eyed reparations plan that would award every black resident $5million, wipe their personal debt, guarantee $97,000 incomes for 250 years and $1 homes.

But no one at the emotional meeting - where residents burst into song and begged to be made 'whole' - asked  how the struggling, debt-addled city might pay for it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11860861/San-Franciscans-line-board-meeting-sing-shout-support-reparations-plan.html

Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2023, 08:47:39 AM
This will not end well

Well, I guess that depends on your view of schadenfreude.  =D
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on March 15, 2023, 08:55:45 AM
They may have more people applying than they anticipate - after all, science says EVERYONE has African ancestry, based on paleontology (that's SCIENCE!) in Olduvai Gorge and other places in Africa.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
They may have more people applying than they anticipate - after all, science says EVERYONE has African ancestry, based on paleontology (that's SCIENCE!) in Olduvai Gorge and other places in Africa.

Except white people don't count in that since they were created by Morgoth in Europe from tortured and corrupted POC
Title: $250,000,000,000 for reparations in SF.
Post by: Fly320s on March 15, 2023, 12:16:19 PM
Two hundred fifty billion dollars.

For reparations in San Francisco.

And that isn't all of it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/some-san-francisco-residents-may-receive-5-million-reparations-board-expresses-unanimous-support

For reference, the ciy of San Francisco has a current budget of "only" $14 billion.
Title: Re: $250,000,000,000 for reparations in SF.
Post by: Fly320s on March 15, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
Oops.  Just found the other reparations thread. 

Feel free to move or delete this one.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on March 15, 2023, 01:10:58 PM
When this thread first started I dismissed it as political grandstanding for their constituents.  It seems however as if they are serious and are going to actually try to do this.  Does SF (or any other large city) have a mechanism for collecting that much debt so that they could come up with the 250 Billion the article Fly320s linked mentions?  If they assume the Feds are going to bail them out on this bill they are smoking crack, at least during this congress, and I suspect that this would be a pretty serious sticking point for a large chunk of the country.

I mean if SF voters want to do this with their money, It's dumb, and will probably destroy their city, but it's their money.  They better not want other peoples money though.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2023, 01:17:55 PM
I mean if SF voters want to do this with their money, It's dumb, and will probably destroy their city, but it's their money.  They better not want other peoples money though.

I completely agree with this, but I will bet real money (my own, not someone else's) that a major part of them doing this is that they fully expect state and federal assistance.

I don't care if they get state assistance. CA has made its bed. I will be furious if they get fed assistance, and I'm afraid there's not enough oomph in "flyover country" that a dem majority wouldn't happily pass assistance with no worry of repercussions.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2023, 01:19:12 PM
Also, dupes merged.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2023, 03:35:06 PM
A bit of sanity sneaking in?

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A black San Francisco leader who helped devise plans to pay out $5 million in reparations to every African-American resident now rejects the idea, and says the cash should go to community projects instead. 
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It suggested awarding every black resident $5million, wipe their personal debt, guarantee a $97,000 income for 250 years and $1 homes.

But he has now completely reversed his position - although it's unclear why.  Speaking on behalf of the San Francisco NAACP, Dr Brown has now said they reject the $5million reparations idea. He and the anti-racism group are instead calling for the city to redirect their focus onto education, jobs, housing, healthcare and a cultural center for blacks. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11864425/San-Fran-reverend-helped-devise-plan-hand-citys-black-people-5m-REJECTS-idea-NAACP.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2023, 08:16:14 AM
Can't let not having the money get in the way.

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San Francisco Board of Supervisors hearing the report for the first time Tuesday voiced enthusiastic support for the ideas listed, with some saying money should not stop the city from doing the right thing

And those darn conservatives are trying to get in the way of us shooting ourselves in the head. Racists!

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    A controversial draft reparations proposal that includes a $5 million lump-sum payment for each eligible Black person could make San Francisco the first major U.S. city to fund reparations, though the plan faces strong criticism from conservatives. https://t.co/RolbRXj8Xe

    — NBC News (@NBCNews) March 15, 2023

San Francisco Board of Supervisors voices enthusiastic support for $5 million a person reparations
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/15/san-francisco-board-of-supervisors-voices-enthusiastic-support-for-5-million-a-person-reparations/
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2023, 09:09:45 AM
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A former Black Lives Matter activist who lived in the Bay Area has described San Francisco's reparations proposal as 'unrealistic' and 'disgusting', saying it is a means by which to 'indoctrinate people with victim mentality.'

Ignore him, he's a............ conservative

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'This is never going to actually happen,' said Xaviaer DuRousseau, a conservative activist who used to support BLM.

'This is unrealistic and disgusting': Former BLM activist slams San Francisco reparations plan as white board member says she wants to adopt ALL 111 recommendations - from $5M lump sums for each black person to homes for just $1
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866153/This-unrealistic-disgusting-Former-BLM-activist-slams-San-Francisco-reparations-plan.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2023, 10:27:32 AM
As you know, it still won't be enough.  Once they spend through all that money, they will be back for more.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2023, 10:42:49 AM
As you know, it still won't be enough.  Once they spend through all that money, they will be back for more.

The average black person that will be first in line for this dough is going to be like the average person who constantly plays the lottery, wins big, and is (back) on welfare two years later. Successful black people, even if pro-reparations, are likely more in favor of the money going to various social programs, rather than directly to irresponsible individuals.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2023, 10:45:53 AM
As you know, it still won't be enough.  Once they spend through all that money, they will be back for more.

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Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Jim147 on March 16, 2023, 11:43:15 AM
A bunch of businesses will close down when all the employees stay home. Then a big mac goes up to $100,000 and they will wonder why and come up with a plan to throw more money at the problem.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on March 16, 2023, 11:45:08 AM
A bunch of businesses will close down when all the employees stay home. Then a big mac goes up to $100,000 and they will wonder why and come up with a plan to throw more of someone else's money at the problem.

QFT.  Added a little to for clarity. 
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 08:55:00 AM
More info and someone wants a fancy office

Now woke San Francisco supervisor demands $50M for an 'Office of Reparations' after taskforce called for $5M to be paid to black residents
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896901/San-Francisco-supervisor-wants-ADDITIONAL-50-million-Office-Reparations-handle-scheme.html

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Who qualifies for reparations under the AARC plan?

You must be:

1) An individual who has identified as 'Black/African American' on public documents for at least 10 years

2) 18 years or older

You must also meet two of these eight criteria, and be able to prove it: 

** Born in San Francisco between 1940 and 1996 and has proof of residency in San Francisco for at least 13 years

** Migrated to San Francisco between 1940 and 1996 and has proof of residency in San Francisco for at least 13 years

** Personally, or the direct descendant of someone, incarcerated by the failed War on Drugs

** Record of attendance in San Francisco public schools during the time of the consent decree to complete desegregation within the school system

** Descendant of someone enslaved through US chattel slavery before 1865

** Displaced, or the direct descendant of someone displaced, from San Francisco by Urban Renewal between 1954 and 1973

** Listed, or the direct descendant of, a Certificate of Preference holder

** Member of an historically marginalized group that experienced lending discrimination in San Francisco between 1937 and 1968 or, subsequently, experienced lending discrimination in formerly redlined San Francisco communities between 1968 and 2008
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2023, 09:41:27 AM
Oh man... I love watching entire cities and a whole state moving forward with the Go Woke Go Broke action plan...

Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MillCreek on March 24, 2023, 10:02:44 AM
I kind of like the one about being the person, or related to a person jailed in the War on Drugs.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 10:10:01 AM
I kind of like the one about being the person, or related to a person jailed in the War on Drugs.

But only if they're black

I think the last total I saw was $640 billion.
Part of me wants them to vote this in and watch the city implode but only if this madness can be limited to SF.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
I kind of like the one about being the person, or related to a person jailed in the War on Drugs.

That, and I wonder what the criteria are for being an ancestor of slaves. I thought every black person in the US is an ancestor of slaves.  ;/
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2023, 11:16:13 AM
"Part of me wants them to vote this in and watch the city implode but only if this madness can be limited to SF."

I want California to adopt it whole heartedly... I want to see the entire state collapse. They've come close, but this could be the thing that tips them into budget oblivion.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 11:28:16 AM
"Part of me wants them to vote this in and watch the city implode but only if this madness can be limited to SF."

I want California to adopt it whole heartedly... I want to see the entire state collapse. They've come close, but this could be the thing that tips them into budget oblivion.

Except Cali imploding will bring in the feds thus all US tax payers in as a whole and then the entire country implodes. I rather they learn this is a stupid idea before it gets out of SF and drag the rest of the country down with them. I rather remain a spectator and not become a participant.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2023, 11:38:31 AM
It actually may not, especially if the Republicans control one or both houses. I have no doubt that Republicans would be more than happy to quash any attempted bail out.

Remember what happen to New York City when it went begging the Feds for money after years of absolutely stunning fiscal mismanagement.

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Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 24, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
Yeah, but even with R control, eventually a D will get back in. Refer to the stupid bullet train, which Trump put the federal fund kibosh on. Brandon tossed them money his first month in office.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on March 24, 2023, 11:49:18 AM
"Brandon tossed them money his first month in office."

which wasn't even remotely the amount that had originally been proposed for the project, or what California was subsequently looking for.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on March 28, 2023, 09:02:29 PM
California Passes $5 Million In Reparations For Black People Whose GIFs Have Ever Been Used By A White Person
https://babylonbee.com/news/california-passes-5-million-in-reparations-for-any-black-person-who-has-had-white-people-use-their-gifs
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: 230RN on March 29, 2023, 10:28:56 AM
Blackmail.

Vote-buying.

I hate cutting through the bullshit, but that's what it is.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2023, 07:07:56 AM
$5 million is not enough. At least for "foundational black Americans", who basically built the entire world and propped up all other cultures.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5-million-too-little-activists-tell-california-reparations-committee-aim-higher
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on March 30, 2023, 07:57:26 AM
$5 million is not enough. At least for "foundational black Americans", who basically built the entire world and propped up all other cultures.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5-million-too-little-activists-tell-california-reparations-committee-aim-higher
The only - ONLY - proper "reparation" for the activists who think they're owed something is permanent relocation/repatriation to their ancestral homelands where their cultural values will be properly appreciated.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on April 11, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Related

Target security guard slugs female shopper in the face after she demanded her $1,000 bill be paid by 'reparations' - before telling cops this was her 'Rosa Parks momen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11960697/Target-security-guard-slugs-female-shopper-demanded-1-000-bill-paid-reparations.html?ico=related-replace
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RocketMan on April 11, 2023, 06:23:30 PM
Related

Target security guard slugs female shopper in the face after she demanded her $1,000 bill be paid by 'reparations' - before telling cops this was her 'Rosa Parks momen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11960697/Target-security-guard-slugs-female-shopper-demanded-1-000-bill-paid-reparations.html?ico=related-replace

I watched the video last night.  I can guarantee you that Target asset protection dude is no longer employed by Target.  They would not support him engaging in self-defense, especially against a non-white person.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: zxcvbob on April 11, 2023, 06:42:31 PM
I watched the video last night.  I can guarantee you that Target asset protection dude is no longer employed by Target.  They would not support him engaging in self-defense, especially against a non-white person.

It might have been worth it.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Cliffh on April 12, 2023, 06:13:05 PM
Karen gets what "Karens" deserve.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on April 13, 2023, 06:47:12 AM
Just fire up the printers

California's reparations task force complains $800 billion figure is 'LEAST IMPORTANT' aspect of program - and slams media for reporting it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11967489/Californias-reparations-task-force-complains-800B-figure-suggesting-dominates-headlines.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on April 13, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
Just fired up the printers

California's reparations task force complains $800 billion figure is 'LEAST IMPORTANT' aspect of program - and slams media for reporting it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11967489/Californias-reparations-task-force-complains-800B-figure-suggesting-dominates-headlines.html
When it comes to funding this obscenely racist idea, it wouldn't surprise me if California is trying to figure out ways to keep taxing people who flee the state, even if they no longer have assets there.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on April 13, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
When it comes to funding this obscenely racist idea, it wouldn't surprise me if California is trying to figure out ways to keep taxing people who flee the state, even if they no longer have assets there.

They've been looking for ways to "back tax" CA expats for a long time. It's one of the reasons why, when I moved, my CPA convinced me to just sell my rentals and not run them from out of state or take a 1031 exchange, because it puts their mitts into you for as long as you own the property.

With the 1031 exchange, even longer. If I were to have done an exchange for property in Idaho, then whenever I sold the Idaho property, CA would hit me with taxes at that time, even 20 years from now, and who knows what CA capital gains will be then.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on April 19, 2023, 05:19:29 PM
Can I edit the title?

Duke University professor says US needs to enact $14 TRILLION reparations program which would hand $350,000 to every black American descendant of slaves
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11991447/Duke-University-professor-says-needs-enact-14-TRILLION-reparations-program.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HeroHog on April 19, 2023, 05:41:49 PM
Reposting because, "Prove Me Wrong":
REPARATIONS

Ok, here's the deal, find a direct relative of mine who owned slaves. Note how far from me on my family tree that slave owning relative is.
Now, find the direct descendants of those particular slaves directly linked to YOU. Note their distance down their family tree that they are from you.
For every generation I am from each slave owner, divide by half. Example: my great, great, great, great uncle owned a slave. That would be 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
For every generation you are from your direct relative slave, divide by one-half. 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
Ok, let's say the 40 acres and a Mule promised to the slaves are worth ($3,020 X 40) + a   $1,500 mule in today's money would be   $120,800 +   $1.500 -   $122,300. Also, please note that the offer was " … each family shall have a plot of NOT MORE THAN (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front" and that this was to be divided up amongst all the slaves from 400,000 acres of land. That is 10,000 40 acre plots, max BUT "Over 100,000 ex-slaves fought for the Union and over 500,000 fled their plantations for Union lines." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_during_the_American_Civil_War so a LOT of slaves are getting less or NO land.
Source: https://www.theroot.com/the-truth-behind-40-acres-and-a-mule-1790894780
The average cost of an acre according to: https://www.agweb.com/land/farmland-value-guide/
 "In 2015, the average acre in the United States sold for   $3,020."
The average mule cost in today’s money source: http://howmuchdoescost.com/how-much-does-a-mule-cost/).
That means my ancestor might owe   $122,300 to THAT SLAVE even though the GOVERNMENT made that agreement, not the slave owners so it’s the US Government and military you need to talk to.
This leaves your level of claim to be a maximum of   $122,300 X 0.03125 =   $3821.875
I say maximum because that was assuming only 1 child per ancestor. For each previous child between or next to you in your family tree, you would have to divide by 2 again to split the pot equally among the surviving kin so figuring a LOW average of two kids per generation, it actually would be smaller than 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.0009765625 so that leaves you with somewhat less than   $119.44
Now MY responsibility of that amount would be a Maximum of   $119.44 X 0.03125 = $3.74. Of course, for each of my ancestor’s children between me and that slave owning kin would halve that number as well so you’re looking at closer to a MAX of 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.00390625 X $119.44 which is   $0.47, IF you are lucky.
Bring me the genealogical proof and a full family tree for both of us and I will pay you on the spot.
© Copyright Speedy Mercer 4/2/2019

From Walter Williams http://walterewilliams.com/some-things-to-ponder/
Here’s something else to ponder: Democratic candidates for the 2020 presidential elections are calling for reparations for slavery or for the study of reparations. Senators Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren are leading the charge. Slavery was a gross violation of human rights. Justice would demand that slave owners make compensatory payments to slaves. Since both slaves and slave owners are no longer with us, such punishment and compensation is beyond our reach.

So which white Americans owe which black Americans how much? Reparations advocates don’t want that question asked, but let’s you and I ask it. Are the millions of European, Asian and Latin Americans who immigrated to the U.S. in the 20th century responsible for slavery? What about descendants of Northern whites who fought and died in the War of 1861 in the name of freeing slaves? Should they cough up money for black Americans? What about non-slave-owning Southern whites, who were a majority of Southern whites — should their descendants be made to pay reparations?

On black people’s side of the ledger, thorny questions arise. Some blacks purchased other blacks as a means to free family members. But other blacks owned slaves for the same reason whites owned slaves — to work farms or plantations. Would descendants of these blacks be eligible for reparations?

Quotes from forum friends:

"These states joined the USA after 1865, so they were never slave states: Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Alaska & Hawaii."
Wouldn't be right to take their (ancestor's) money.

"Not to rain on your reparations parade but since the LBJ Great Society and the his creation of the huge welfare state, we should take that into consideration as a payout in reparations and deducted from any sum based on Speedy's calculations."

"...the way I figure it, my obligation is actually negative, judging by how much of the taxes I, my parents, and my grandparents paid have gone to descendants of former slaves."

"You left out a Fair Tax on the payment as funds received,So now that is down another 40% or so depending where they live."

"I don't remember who said it but the illegal immigrant children called "Dreamers" are not held responsible for their parents actions & we should Give them citizenship. But we should hold the Great great great+ grandchildren responsible for slavery. And Make Them Pay!"

"They already collected the reparations in the form of freedom with over 500,000,000 white men dying to free the slave(s)..."

Looks like I will need a Ha'penny to make a proper payment...

Also, see: https://youtu.be/l5DqRXv8zE0
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on April 19, 2023, 06:14:02 PM
Unfortunately you already invalidated your argument in it:

......
The average mule cost in today’s money source: http://howmuchdoescost.com/how-much-does-a-mule-cost/).
That means my ancestor might owe   $122,300 to THAT SLAVE even though the GOVERNMENT made that agreement, not the slave owners so it’s the US Government and military you need to talk to.
.....

That is their plan, exactly.

get the states to run the debt, roll it up in something to big to fail, and punt the debt to the Fed so they can adjust the M1 cell on the appropriate spreadsheet.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 19, 2023, 06:37:47 PM
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"These states joined the USA after 1865, so they were never slave states: Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Alaska & Hawaii."

While not yet a state in 1861-1865, the Indian tribes (5 Civilized Tribes) then residing in what was at the time "Indian Territory" were in fact owners of black slaves. I definitely think the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Osage and Seminole nation members will need to pony up for reparation's as well.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HeroHog on April 20, 2023, 12:49:15 AM
Unfortunately you already invalidated your argument in it:

That is their plan, exactly.

get the states to run the debt, roll it up in something to big to fail, and punt the debt to the Fed so they can adjust the M1 cell on the appropriate spreadsheet.

No, it still stands as indicating the amount an individual MIGHT owe another individual, or group of individuals, based on their lineage to each other and the slave/owner pair. Why does that matter? How much above that provable amount do you think you will be on the hook for when the tax man comes to bail out the govt who decided to pass out "reparations", willy-nilly, to everyone who claims to be an affected POC? Nope! Remember the Tea Party?
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2023, 11:07:34 PM
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"$1.2 million is nowhere near enough. It should be starting at least $5 million like San Francisco," said one woman. "We want direct cash payments just like how the stimulus [checks] were sent out. It's our inheritance, and we can handle it."

But wait

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"You know that the numbers should be equivocal to what an acre was back then. We were given 40, OK? We were given 40 acres. You know what that number is. You keep trying to talk about now, yet you research back to slavery and you say nothing about slavery, nothing," said Pierce. "So, the equivocal number from the 1860s for 40 acres to today is $200 million for each and every African-American."

Activists demand higher payments from California reparations task force: '$200 million' per person
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/activists-demand-higher-payments-calif-reparations-committee-200-million-per-person

Stay tuned
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2023, 07:30:00 AM
Damn, I was just coming here to post that.

I really hope California's politicians are finally starting to realize what they've unleashed.

They're looking at state bankruptcy, mostly peaceful protests when they do run out of money, and very likely protests are aren't in any way, shape, or form mostly peaceful.

The sharks have smelled blood in the water and they're starting to work themselves into an absolutely frenzy.

$200 million? Why not $5 billion! That's what being a slave lost these people! Even though California was never a slave state in the first place...
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2023, 07:50:50 AM
We're all going to end up contributing to this, just like their stupid bullet train and funds for fire recovery after they refused to maintain their forests or allow utility companies to maintain their right of ways. And other deep blue states will copy this and then we'll have to bail them out too.

Not to mention the increase in racial hate, and I don't just mean black vs white. All the other "people of color" will demand free stuff in the name of equality.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2023, 09:41:14 AM
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"You know that the numbers should be equivocal to what an acre was back then. We were given 40, OK? We were given 40 acres. You know what that number is. You keep trying to talk about now, yet you research back to slavery and you say nothing about slavery, nothing," said Pierce. "So, the equivocal number from the 1860s for 40 acres to today is $200 million for each and every African-American.

Bro, it wasn't 40 acres on Central Park West, it was on the 40 acres on the ass end of the frontier.  Think like $1000 an acre in 2023 money.

Actually come to think of it, if they want to stick to the original plan we should probably plunk all the African Americans down on Indian land and let those two groups sort it out.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2023, 09:59:32 AM
Bro, it wasn't 40 acres on Central Park West, it was on the 40 acres on the ass end of the frontier.  Think like $1000 an acre in 2023 money.

Yeah, that was my first thought. That's $5mil/acre. The original deal was for farming, and as you said, they were gonna give out bare, undeveloped land that needed plowing, etc. Even really good developed CA farmland only goes for like $25k/acre.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2023, 11:09:38 AM
Panel voted for up to $1.2 million

California reparations panel approves payments of up to $1.2 million to every Black resident
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-panel-approves-payments-1-2-million-every-black-resident
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Jim147 on May 07, 2023, 01:16:28 PM
DO IT!
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on May 07, 2023, 01:17:32 PM
Bro, it wasn't 40 acres on Central Park West, it was on the 40 acres on the ass end of the frontier.  Think like $1000 an acre in 2023 money.

Actually come to think of it, if they want to stick to the original plan we should probably plunk all the African Americans down on Indian land and let those two groups sort it out.
I am sure there is plenty of unwanted BLM land out there that could be given away.  I am sure it would be owned by others within a year.  Might be a good way to pry loose some of that federal land and put it in private hands.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on May 07, 2023, 01:56:02 PM
I am sure there is plenty of unwanted BLM land out there that could be given away.  I am sure it would be owned by others within a year.  Might be a good way to pry loose some of that federal land and put it in private hands.

With some careful planning you could probably pick up a nice range complex at a property tax auction in a year or two.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: cordex on May 07, 2023, 06:21:05 PM
Give anyone who qualifies ten brazilian dollars.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Jim147 on May 07, 2023, 09:15:39 PM
Give anyone who qualifies ten brazilian dollars.

But they can only push one wheelbarrow at a time.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 08, 2023, 12:52:28 PM
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California's reparations taskforce believes the estimated $800 billion cost of its proposals is a 'very cautious' minimum that could rise even further as more 'harms and atrocities' faced by black people are accounted for.

I expect it in be in the multiple trillions before they're through

California reparations taskforce says $800BN cost is a 'very cautious' estimate and lawmakers should award MORE - includes $227BN for 'excess' drug arrests since 1970
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12059779/California-reparations-taskforce-says-estimated-800-billion-cost-cautious-estimate.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: cordex on May 08, 2023, 01:19:16 PM
But they can only push one wheelbarrow at a time.
For real.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 08, 2023, 01:20:44 PM
I expect it in be in the multiple trillion before they're through

California reparations taskforce says $800BN cost is a 'very cautious' estimate and lawmakers should award MORE - includes $227BN for 'excess' drug arrests since 1970
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12059779/California-reparations-taskforce-says-estimated-800-billion-cost-cautious-estimate.html

If it's anything like the train, a conservative estimate would be 10X what they're predicting. In other words, $8,000,000,000,000. California currently claims to have ~$300 billion in it's 2023 budget. I have read that they are around $100 billion in deficit.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2023, 07:23:51 PM
And it's not just money they want

California reparations committee demands state apologize for Reagan using term 'welfare queen'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-committee-demands-state-apologize-reagan-using-term-welfare-queen
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: MechAg94 on May 10, 2023, 09:54:55 PM
If it's anything like the train, a conservative estimate would be 10X what they're predicting. In other words, $8,000,000,000,000. California currently claims to have ~$300 billion in it's 2023 budget. I have read that they are around $100 billion in deficit.
Just stipulate that reparations won't start until the train is complete and operational.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 12, 2023, 02:33:56 PM
This man is worth listening to:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1656861108697800705

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/05/12/civil-rights-leader-leaves-dr-phil-and-his-audience-speechless-after-rejecting-systemic-racism-watch/
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on May 12, 2023, 03:56:10 PM
I don't think conservatives should assume that black people prior the "Great Society" were in a lot better shape.

Their bastardry rate was much lower, but their murder rate was even more horrific than it is today.  The black murder rate actually is a lot lower than it was in the 1930's.  About half of what it was then.

My father grew up on a tenant farm with that had a black family living on it (who worked the farm with them).  The husband of the family got drunk one day and shot his wife and sister-in-law. 

There some interesting details about historical homicide rates here;

Check out table 1.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: RocketMan on May 12, 2023, 07:03:42 PM
This man is worth listening to:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1656861108697800705

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/05/12/civil-rights-leader-leaves-dr-phil-and-his-audience-speechless-after-rejecting-systemic-racism-watch/

Incredible.  Brilliant.  Wonderfully refreshing take on the problems facing this country.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on May 12, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
I don't think conservatives should assume that black people prior the "Great Society" were in a lot better shape.

Their bastardry rate was much lower, but their murder rate was even more horrific than it is today.  The black murder rate actually is a lot lower than it was in the 1930's.  About half of what it was then.

My father grew up on a tenant farm with that had a black family living on it (who worked the farm with them).  The husband of the family got drunk one day and shot his wife and sister-in-law. 

There some interesting details about historical homicide rates here;

Check out table 1.

Missing link?
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 13, 2023, 07:54:01 AM
A couple of articles related to the topic:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gov-newsom-announces-32-billion-budget-deficit-10-billion-more-than-previously-estimated#&_intcmp=fnhpbt2,hp1bt

Yeah, the rest of us will end up paying if this goes through, since CA will be "broke".


https://www.foxnews.com/media/ca-lawmaker-warns-black-residents-realistic-reparations-seven-figure-checks-happening

I can't help but think reparations will end up being like class action lawsuits, where most individuals end up getting a check for $3.74 as their payment. The riots will be interesting to watch from afar.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 07:03:48 AM
Reparations panel now wants power over local real estate decisions.
I highly doubt they'll stop there. 

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California's reparations task force is calling for the state legislature to require all cities and counties with allegedly segregated neighborhoods to submit all their real estate ordinances to a state agency for approval based on whether they maintain or lessen "residential racial segregation."

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The recommendations include several proposals meant to address "housing segregation" and "unjust property takings" that contributed to alleged systemic racist against Black Californians. Among the most controversial of the housing proposals is one that would seemingly hand over control of local land use decisions to a state agency that would approve ordinances based on whether they maintain or decrease segregation.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-panel-wants-give-state-agency-veto-power-local-real-estate-decisions
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on May 16, 2023, 06:21:17 PM
How about $5 million each

Leading member of San Fran reparations task force now suggests taxing BILLIONAIRES to fund payments of up to $5M to every black person in the city - weeks after rejecting his own plan for cash payouts
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12091031/Leading-member-San-Fran-reparations-task-force-suggests-taxing-BILLIONAIRES.html
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on May 16, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
Reparations panel now wants power over local real estate decisions.
I highly doubt they'll stop there. 
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California's reparations task force is calling for the state legislature to require all cities and counties with allegedly segregated neighborhoods to submit all their real estate ordinances to a state agency for approval based on whether they maintain or lessen "residential racial segregation."

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The recommendations include several proposals meant to address "housing segregation" and "unjust property takings" that contributed to alleged systemic racist against Black Californians. Among the most controversial of the housing proposals is one that would seemingly hand over control of local land use decisions to a state agency that would approve ordinances based on whether they maintain or decrease segregation.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-panel-wants-give-state-agency-veto-power-local-real-estate-decisions

So what happens when they force white folks to move into historically black neighborhoods, property values go up, and the folks who historically lived there are forced out?

I swear we already did this dance in blue cities and the racists got all up in arms about integrating neighborhoods.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: French G. on May 16, 2023, 11:52:28 PM
We definitely shouldn't leaflet neighborhoods with official looking material giving a date and time to come to city hall and register.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on May 17, 2023, 06:30:06 PM
Anyways, this can't be done for less than $14 trillion on a national level. Says the jackass "repressed" black woman who sits in congress. The entire 2022 budget was just under $7 trillion. She thinks we can do this with defense spending cuts.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/05/17/rep-cori-bush-calls-for-14-trillion-in-reparations-for-descendants-of-slaves/
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Pb on June 01, 2023, 10:17:34 AM
I don't think conservatives should assume that black people prior the "Great Society" were in a lot better shape.

Their bastardry rate was much lower, but their murder rate was even more horrific than it is today.  The black murder rate actually is a lot lower than it was in the 1930's.  About half of what it was then.

My father grew up on a tenant farm with that had a black family living on it (who worked the farm with them).  The husband of the family got drunk one day and shot his wife and sister-in-law. 

There some interesting details about historical homicide rates here;

Check out table 1.

OK, here is the correct link for the table:

https://cjrc.osu.edu/sites/cjrc.osu.edu/files/AHSV-American-Homicides-Twentieth-Century.pdf
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: K Frame on June 01, 2023, 11:06:36 AM
Anyways, this can't be done for less than $14 trillion on a national level. Says the jackass "repressed" black woman who sits in congress. The entire 2022 budget was just under $7 trillion. She thinks we can do this with defense spending cuts.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/05/17/rep-cori-bush-calls-for-14-trillion-in-reparations-for-descendants-of-slaves/

Nonsense! We can fully fund this if we just make one billionaire pay his fair share....

FAIR SHARE!
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on June 01, 2023, 02:35:44 PM
Here come the blue helmets

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A group of African American academics is pushing for a UN 'reparations tribunal' to make Washington pay multimillion dollar sums to black citizens for slavery-era abuses, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Justin Hansford, a professor at Howard University School of Law, led the charge for $5 million payouts to black Americans at the UN this week, flanked by colleagues from the University of Pittsburgh and Columbia University.

EXCLUSIVE: $5 million in reparations to EVERY US descendant of slavery: Howard University pushes for UN tribunal to force Washington to pay African Americans — WITHOUT the approval of voters
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12148859/Howard-University-prof-pushes-tribunal-make-pay-5M-African-Americans.html

The stupid is going into plaid
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: dogmush on June 01, 2023, 02:40:13 PM
Wasn't the majority of the slave holding done in North America done by Brits?  Why should Washington pay?  Buckingham Palace shold come off of some of their crown jewels to buy off the extortionists.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2023, 07:33:25 AM
Now they're adding new demands

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The California Reparations Task Force is asking the Democrat-controlled state legislature to eliminate interest on past-due child support, as well as any back child support debt for Black residents of the state.

In its final report released last week, the group claimed "discriminatory" laws "have torn African American families apart," and that one effect of that is the "harms" caused by "the disproportionate amount of African Americans who are burdened with child support debt."

California Reparations Task Force calls for eliminating child support debt for Black residents
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-task-force-eliminating-child-support-debt-black-residents
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: HankB on July 04, 2023, 10:18:16 AM
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"the disproportionate amount of African Americans who are burdened with child support debt."
They're applying a hateful racial stereotype that a lot of black men are deadbeat dads. RACISTS!
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: Ben on July 04, 2023, 12:03:23 PM
I can't now remember where I read it this morning, but it was a reputable news source, that quoted one of the reparations groups also demanding "decriminalization of public urination for black people".

Way to make it sound like your race is some inferior species that just relieves themselves where they stand, like cattle or something. I'd be pretty dang insulted if I were black.
Title: Re: $223,200 per person reparations
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2023, 12:26:13 PM
I can't now remember where I read it this morning, but it was a reputable news source, that quoted one of the reparations groups also demanding "decriminalization of public urination for black people".

Way to make it sound like your race is some inferior species that just relieves themselves where they stand, like cattle or something. I'd be pretty dang insulted if I were black.

Them: It's racist that all you white people spread these false stereotypes about black people.
Also them: It's racist you penalize black people for doing those very things.

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