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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on January 02, 2023, 07:56:36 AM
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Well, as of today, we made it to 50% of the states for constitutional carry. Some of the MSM articles have been pretty funny in their "blood in the streets" reporting. I saw one huffpo article attempt to throw the whole electoral/popular vote population thing into it by stating that the 25 states only have 1/3 of the US population.
I can't wait till we get a majority of states. West of the Rockies, we've likely got all we're going to get, so it's up to some of you guys East of the Rockies to get us there. =)
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/types-of-concealed-carry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/
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It would be nice to see it in Virginia, but Virginia Republicans are too freaking gutless to attempt it, and even if it happened, when the Democrats got back into power they'd repeal it like they did with the "one state, one law" approach to gun laws a few years ago.
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At a quick glance, Florida seems like the most likely option.
Would any of you have believed the 2023 constitutional carry map back in the late 90s?
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At a quick glance, Florida seems like the most likely option.
I agree, though I admit that I am apparently completely unaware of Eastern/Southern state politics. Besides FL, I would have thought LA would have been a shoe-in, and the two Carolinas appear to be not at all what I thought they were. Also in the Midwest, I would also have thought NE would have been an easy win.
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Well, as of today, we made it to 50% of the states for constitutional carry. Some of the MSM articles have been pretty funny in their "blood in the streets" reporting. I saw one huffpo article attempt to throw the whole electoral/popular vote population thing into it by stating that the 25 states only have 1/3 of the US population.
I can't wait till we get a majority of states. West of the Rockies, we've likely got all we're going to get, so it's up to some of you guys East of the Rockies to get us there. =)
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/types-of-concealed-carry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/
Given that Ill-i-<deleted>-noise was the last state to get CCW, and only got it by losing in court, I doubt we'll see it here.
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It would be nice to see it in Virginia, but Virginia Republicans are too freaking gutless to attempt it, and even if it happened, when the Democrats got back into power they'd repeal it like they did with the "one state, one law" approach to gun laws a few years ago.
Pretty much ditto here in Colorado. They also rescinded the statewide pre-eminence in concealed carry, letting it revert to individual jurisdictions.
It wasn't OK, but it was understandable that "home rule" jusrisdictions could limit concealed carry, but my understanding is that now just about any piddleydip jusrisdiction can do it on its own, so we're back to the patchwork pattern of laws and you never know without diligent research whether you cross a border into "limited" territory or not. Thank you, Governor Polis.
I used to joke about needing to haul a trailer full of law books around with you to keep on the straight and narrow. We may be going back to that again.
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Terry, 230RN
Pic credit in properties
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We, Louisiana, got close but not yet I'm afraid.
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I agree, though I admit that I am apparently completely unaware of Eastern/Southern state politics. Besides FL, I would have thought LA would have been a shoe-in, and the two Carolinas appear to be not at all what I thought they were. Also in the Midwest, I would also have thought NE would have been an easy win.
North Carolina will not get CC any time soon with our lefty governor. I think there is a better chance South Carolina might get CC some day.
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Well, here's the view out my front door this morning.... wish me luck! I've got venture out and do some shopping.
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North Carolina will not get CC any time soon with our lefty governor. I think there is a better chance South Carolina might get CC some day.
NC is unfortunately getting California’d and New Yorked pretty bad. Lots of northerners move down to either NC straight away or down to FL, don’t like the heat, and move halfway back to NC and *expletive deleted*ck that state over. The rivers of blood will literally occur there when Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo finally kicks off.
SC politics are unfortunately old money GOP controlled and quite FUDD. We JUST got open carry.
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NC is definitely trending purple. Every election cycle seems to deepen the shade. It's something I've noticed since moving here in Jan. 2014.
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NC is definitely trending purple. Every election cycle seems to deepen the shade. It's something I've noticed since moving here in Jan. 2014.
It's the "creeping crud" !
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It's the "creeping crud" !
more like gangrene. Once it starts you have to completely excise it from the body or it will kill you.
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I can't wait till we get a majority of states. West of the Rockies, we've likely got all we're going to get, so it's up to some of you guys East of the Rockies to get us there. =)
Ooo-ooo, I gots an idea!
I wonder if we can actually invite / accept all those so-called "migrants" to our States and provide them with free housing and amenities if they agree to an ironbound duty to forever after vote Republican or Independent or Libertarian or whatever party comes along to replace the defunct and decaying Repubican party?
The freebies ought to satisfy the burning "do-gooder" passions of the liberals and other "oh, you poor dear" ladies who welcome them and yet bolster the representation of the red States.
Terry, 230RN
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I can't wait till we get a majority of states. West of the Rockies, we've likely got all we're going to get, so it's up to some of you guys East of the Rockies to get us there. =)
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/types-of-concealed-carry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/
If it was not so corrupt here in NV we would already have it.
The current governor here was anti gun until he ran for governor, if all we can hope for in NV is that he doesn't make things worse.
PPL in Florida seem to be mostly excops from NYC, they're pretend pro-gun folks and freak out over open carry and constitutional carry
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NC is unfortunately getting California’d and New Yorked pretty bad. Lots of northerners move down to either NC straight away or down to FL, don’t like the heat, and move halfway back to NC and *expletive deleted*ck that state over. The rivers of blood will literally occur there when Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo finally kicks off.
SC politics are unfortunately old money GOP controlled and quite FUDD. We JUST got open carry.
I think that is a big part of the resistance in Red states. A lot of ranking Republicans are not all that thrilled about gun rights. I was a little surprised CC sailed through at the last minute in Texas. I think the TSRA and GOA pushed sponsored a lot of people to contact their representatives which helped a lot.
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Nebraska Constitutional Carry Bill Passes Critical Vote
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/03/nebraska-constitutional-carry-bill-passes-critical-vote/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7vNvAXCP1
Might be close to getting one more. Black Democrats crossed party lines to vote for it.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/21/permitless-carry-gun-parkland-desantis-constitutional/
We're taking baby steps I guess. I would have preferred open carry to be included, but some of the old school southern cops are just terrified of citizens with guns.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/21/permitless-carry-gun-parkland-desantis-constitutional/
We're taking baby steps I guess. I would have preferred open carry to be included, but some of the old school southern cops are just terrified of citizens with guns.
That actually got me wondering:
1) Have any other states instituted "constitutional carry" that doesn't include open carry (which kinda defeats the "constitutional" part, though it's better than nothing)?
2) I know that some states have, or at least had, "brandishing" laws that included printing, or your shirt riding up or similar that exposes your gun and leaves you open to some type of enforcement. At least from stickler cops.
So for FL or any other states that might have "concealed only" constitutional carry, I'm curious if they have removed overly strict "brandishing" laws or are otherwise protecting people from getting popped for a shirt that rides up?
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I agree, though I admit that I am apparently completely unaware of Eastern/Southern state politics. Besides FL, I would have thought LA would have been a shoe-in, and the two Carolinas appear to be not at all what I thought they were. Also in the Midwest, I would also have thought NE would have been an easy win.
NE has all it will get. Three states have constitutional carry: Vermont (the first in the nation), Maine, and NH. The other three never will: MA, CT, RI.
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So for FL or any other states that might have "concealed only" constitutional carry, I'm curious if they have removed overly strict "brandishing" laws or are otherwise protecting people from getting popped for a shirt that rides up?
So that's an interesting question:
FL's brandishing law requires intent, and is not, IMO overly strict:
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.—If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Although, I guess "careless" could subject you to the whims of a zealous officer.
Several years ago there were cops in South FL that were arresting CWP holders that they did not like if they saw a flash of gun, or it printed. Since FL doesn't have open carry, those cops were using the Open carry law to arrest folks they deemed undesirable. It got enough attention that the Legislature amended the open carry law. (bolding mine)
790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—
(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
(2) A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense:
(a) A self-defense chemical spray.
(b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.
(3) Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
And it looks like the current "Constitutional Carry" bill also amends 790.053 to extend that "brief display" immunity to unlicensed, legal carriers.
amending s. 790.053, F.S.;
35 specifying that it is not a violation of specified
36 provisions for persons authorized to carry a concealed
37 weapon or concealed firearm without a license to
38 briefly and openly display a firearm under specified
39 circumstances;
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specifying that it is not a violation of specified
36 provisions for persons authorized to carry a concealed
37 weapon or concealed firearm without a license to
38 briefly and openly display a firearm under specified
39 circumstances;
So while it's good that they are addressing the issue, man, do I hate terms like "specified circumstances". California has a ton of that stuff, like the example language of:
"Illegal with the following exceptions", then they list like 37 exceptions that are also unclear. Makes for easy pickings for bad cops, and utter confusion for anyone who's not a lawyer.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/21/permitless-carry-gun-parkland-desantis-constitutional/
We're taking baby steps I guess. I would have preferred open carry to be included, but some of the old school southern cops are just terrified of citizens with guns.
The theory I've heard about Florida is that open carry would be too alarming for lefty tourists, and other foreigners.
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The theory I've heard about Florida is that open carry would be too alarming for lefty tourists, and other foreigners.
Perhaps that also plays a role, but every time in the last decade or so it comes up it's the FL cops that shut it down.
As it was this time: https://thecapitolist.com/senate-president-says-no-to-open-carry-policy/
DeSantis wants it, but the Legislature won't pass it without the Sheriff's endorsement, and the Sheriff's don't endorse Open Carry.
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on youtube there are a few guys who open carry in Florida while fishing. It's legal as long as you are hiking/camping/fishing ( ianal/afaik)
The cops almost always freak out, when I open carry in Reno, no one says anything, a few notice and cops never care.
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on youtube there are a few guys who open carry in Florida while fishing. It's legal as long as you are hiking/camping/fishing ( ianal/afaik)
The cops almost always freak out, when I open carry in Reno, no one says anything, a few notice and cops never care.
Fishing, Hunring, or camping. Day hikes are not covered. I've had a very tens conversation with FL fish and game about weather or not a hike while I am on an overlanding trip counts as "camping". I convinced him it did, because while I was not at my campsite, I was clearly away from home and sleeping in the forest, but it took some convincing and googling of statutes.
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Starting tomorrow the law abiding get to carry guns in Florida
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Miami Herald: We’re Dreading July 1st and Here’s Why You Should, Too
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/miami-herald-were-dreading-july-1st-and-heres-why-you-should-too/
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Starting tomorrow the law abiding get to carry guns in Florida
Miami Herald: We’re Dreading July 1st and Here’s Why You Should, Too
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/miami-herald-were-dreading-july-1st-and-heres-why-you-should-too/
Wow. Their screed amounts to "most of the other states are doing it, but Floridians are so stupid, they'll just start shooting each other."
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Wow. Their screed amounts "most of the other states are doing it, but Floridians are so stupid, they'll just start shooting each other."
Yeah, it has that going for it, but the editorial also has points that aren't as well considered.
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If the news hasn't reported streets flowing with rivers of blood by Monday, millions will wonder how Floridians failed to live up (down?) to the hype.
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SC is on the cusp(?) of allowing open carry but it comes with a training requirement. The state will provide the training free of charge, so they say. That could be the death of the bill. I would personally charge 25 bucks per person for the class and call it offsetting the cost of training. It has to go back to the House to get approved because of changes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-carolina-senate-passes-open-113743460.html
bob
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SC is on the cusp(?) of allowing open carry but it comes with a training requirement. The state will provide the training free of charge, so they say. That could be the death of the bill. I would personally charge 25 bucks per person for the class and call it offsetting the cost of training. It has to go back to the House to get approved because of changes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-carolina-senate-passes-open-113743460.html
bob
I'm confused. Is this open carry only, or true permitless carry?
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I'm confused. Is this open carry only, or true permitless carry?
From what I can find it is permitless (with training) which also encompasses open carry. Does that mean a visitor would still need a permit honored by SC to carry there. I guess we will have to wait and see what the final results of the law is. It was approved by the House last year but the Senate added in the training and some other stuff so it goes back to the House from what I can figure out.
https://www.foxcarolina.com/video/2024/02/01/sc-senate-passes-permitless-gun-carry-bill/
bob
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From what I can find it is permitless (with training) which also encompasses open carry.
And how would they know you've had training? Would it be printed on a little card or something?
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And how would they know you've had training? Would it be printed on a little card or something?
Cue my favorite concept of a barcode on the back of your bald head. As seen on the prisoners confined on Fiorina 161, the prison planet in Aliens 3. I did a temporary tattoo of this once for an office Halloween party years ago, and I was crushed that no one caught the reference. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/20220714-alien3-promo-032.jpg)
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I’d have assumed you were going as Hitman, code name 47.
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Hopefully SC go full on constitutional carry.
My family will all be on the gulf side of Florida by this spring so I won't be driving through SC any longer when I drive down to visit, but I wish them the best. That was the last state on my route that wasn't c-carry.
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Louisiana has joined us for 28 states. Not sure how much the NRA had to do with it, but welcome to the club, LA. =)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/louisiana-becomes-nations-28th-state-constitutional-carry-laws-books-landmark-victory
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Also Washington Gun Law put out a video about it today and made the good point that we're now likely done without some serious flipping of politics in the remainder of states. He thinks there's a chance for both the Carolinas. At least 28-30 is still a majority, and not just by a single state.
https://youtu.be/R2Fwkd4w_h0
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HeroHog is happy because on July 4th his wifey, "PinkPigParts," will be able to CCW then too! Already have a S&W Model 36 .38 Snubby ready for her.
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And the S&W holster:
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And South Carolina makes 29
South Carolina becomes 29th state in nation with constitutional carry law: 'Hard-fought victory'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/south-carolina-becomes-29th-state-nation-constitutional-carry-law
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So anybody have the lowdown on North Carolina?
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I'm not waiting for Colorado to flip since it's now ultraviolet, politically. IIRC it took ten years and multiple tries to get CCW here, and I consider even that fragile. I've noticed that Democrats seem to think the Constitution is just a piece of paper until they find something in it they can work to enhance state-ism.
Control freaks!
I think two years ago Colorado also repealed the State Supremacy Law so now it's once again a patchwork where you can cross the street and be a lawbreaker. (An exaggeration for the sake of illustration.)
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So anybody have the lowdown on North Carolina?
Last year there was noise about doing away with CCW permits and going Constitutional carry. Sheriff lobbiests managed to get it quashed. They make a lot of money on the permitting process.
The handgun purchase permit process was done away with last year however, so there's that.
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I've noticed that Democrats seem to think the Constitution is just a piece of paper until they find something in it they can work to enhance state-ism.
Zero respect for any source of authority is one of the defining features of leftism.
For the left, the ends justify the means, always.
When you are trying to create a paradise of equity, why should the law, the Constitution, God, or the deaths of millions stand in the way?
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Last year there was noise about doing away with CCW permits and going Constitutional carry. Sheriff lobbiests managed to get it quashed. They make a lot of money on the permitting process.
The handgun purchase permit process was done away with last year however, so there's that.
How much money do they really make per year versus the cost of the administration people that handle it? I really doubt it is such a huge number. I suspect that is just the argument made to the politicians. They just can't handle people carrying without permission from the state cops. Also, catching someone "with a gun" will no longer be a punishable offense leading into searches and finding other stuff.
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Idaho is constitutional but I just signed up for an "enhanced" class. $150 and a whole day, 5th state so far...
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Everybody in SC is now dead from the spontaneous gunfights that broke out thirty seconds after the passage of the bill and the streets are awash with blood to the point the sewers are backing up
Oh wait that is what all the carpetbaggers on Facebook that have moved here over the past decade were predicting as a sure thing. The hills were alive with the sound of pussies crying “iM aShaMeD tO lIVe iN sUCh a BaCkWaRd sTaTE” well go the *expletive deleted*ck back then, go on, git
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Stop that, Boomhauer, you're making them feel unsafe.
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All the pansy ass business owners/companies in SC have now posted their stores because CCW for years and years was not a thing in their minds but oh lord we pass constitutional carry and the world is ending.
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All the pansy ass business owners/companies in SC have now posted their stores because CCW for years and years was not a thing in their minds but oh lord we pass constitutional carry and the world is ending.
What's the SC law regarding that? Is it a simple trespass, or do they have some dumbass gun charge? I'm assuming the businesses in question put up "no guns" signs rather than "no open carrying" or similar.
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What's the SC law regarding that? Is it a simple trespass, or do they have some dumbass gun charge? I'm assuming the businesses in question put up "no guns" signs rather than "no open carrying" or similar.
They are almost universally “no weapons” signs and so suspiciously alike I think city councils are passing them out.
Don’t know about the penalty, it made carrying into a marked place a “prohibited place” but I don’t think it carries the same weight as a courthouse or similar