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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on January 04, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
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Man, what a cluster this Speaker of the House vote debacle has become!
While I get the holdouts not wanting to continue establishment business as usual, all they're doing is a Republican version of "But Trump!!!". They seem to have zero prep of concrete items they want done differently, and the guy they want as speaker (Jordan) says he doesn't want the job and has been voting for McCarthy.
The dems have been getting a pretty good laugh out of this, especially on the heels of the failed red wave.
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So what I said after January 6th 2021 is still true - what happened that day makes more sense than anything that will come after.
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And while the House GOP is squabbling about confirming the established House GOP minority leader as Speaker, over in the Senate the established Senate GOP minority leader is appearing with Biden so they can engage in some mutual backslapping about passing a trillion dollar plus "infrastructure" bill that provides for things like a 20 million dollar heated sidewalk in New Hampshire and a non-racist 25 million dollar birdwatching pedestrian bridge in Arizona. (As I've written before, infrastructure spending is a GREAT way to convert public funds into private profit.)
Some of the opposition apparently wants things like committee assignments - weren't some kicked off of committees by the D's?
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What they're talking about during the vote:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610463707049623553
:rofl:
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IMO, the failure is on the GOP House leadership for not making sure they had the votes they needed. I don't blame the people who are holding out. That negotiation should have already been done.
All that said, is it really a "charlie foxtrot"? The media is making a big deal about it, but I don't care. A little chaos isn't a bad thing. When everyone falls into line is when we should worry (what HankB said about the Senate).
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I still consider it a CF, because as your first sentence implies, this should have all been figured out at least a month ago, if not in place for a potential win months before. Right now it's incredibly bad optics showing that the Rs can't get anything done even on day one of the majority. We're at vote #6 right now, and McConnell is having a boys night out with Brandon just this minute.
Also who the *expletive deleted*ck is Byron Donalds? Because he's getting the 20 votes now instead of Jordan.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/in-11-hour-vote-buffalo-guy-elected-speaker-of-the-house
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As much as I dislike Pelosi, she had her ducks in a row for her vote, even with the "squad" wanting her out.
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"Congressional cluster *expletive deleted*ck" is redundant term.
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This just showcases how unserious the Rs are about conservative values. There’s like 20 Rs that are holding up the show, and they’ve asked for a few things that, at least on the surface don’t seem so unreasonable. They want floor votes on a balanced budget, border security, and probably a few other things. They know many won’t pass, but they want the votes on record (which of course is why McCarty doesn’t want those votes). If it were the Ds making comparable demand you know damn well McCarty et, al would fold in heartbeat in the name of bi-partisanship.
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I heard there was a record from the 1800s where they voted hundreds of times before they elected a speaker. So it might still be a while.
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In Overnight Vote, Buffalo Guy Elected Speaker Of The House
https://babylonbee.com/news/in-11-hour-vote-buffalo-guy-elected-speaker-of-the-house
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What the hell happened to Dan Crenshaw? Did he get some big insider trading tips from Nancy Pelosi or something? He seems to have gone full establishment.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/01/04/rep-dan-crenshaw-calls-republicans-opposed-to-kevin-mccarthy-terrorists-and-clowns/
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What the hell happened to Dan Crenshaw? Did he get some big insider trading tips from Nancy Pelosi or something? He seems to have gone full establishment.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/01/04/rep-dan-crenshaw-calls-republicans-opposed-to-kevin-mccarthy-terrorists-and-clowns/
I have been hearing people refer to him as EyePatch McCain. =)
His district is in the Houston area. Not sure how much chance there is of kicking him out next time.
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One comment I heard just now referred back to the election. We just saw how McConnell pulled funding from some key Republican candidates that he didn't like and possibly sponsored primary challengers. I think it is likely the House leadership did the same thing. I remember hearing that Boebert barely squeaked by on her election. I imagine if some of these R's were victims of that, they aren't very happy with the leadership including McCarthy.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/03/politics/20-republicans-voted-against-mccarthy/index.html
Here are the lawmakers who voted against McCarthy on the third ballot:
Rep. Andy Biggs
Rep. Dan Bishop
Rep. Lauren Boebert
Rep. Josh Brecheen
Rep. Michael Cloud
Rep. Andrew Clyde
Rep. Eli Crane
Rep. Matt Gaetz
Rep. Bob Good
Rep. Paul Gosar
Rep. Andy Harris
Rep. Anna Paulina Luna
Rep. Mary Miller
Rep. Ralph Norman
Rep. Andy Ogles
Rep. Scott Perry
Rep. Matt Rosendale
Rep. Chip Roy
Rep. Keith Self
Rep. Byron Donalds
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Even Nancy Pelosi is commenting on what a CF it is.
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The "motion to vacate" appears to be one of the sticking points:
Defectors want to ensure they are not forced to give up committee assignments; they want investigative inquiries into the FBI and others and they want to reinstate the motion to vacate — a process of the majority party voting out the current speaker, should they lose faith in his or her leadership.
The motion to vacate can be initiated by any single majority member — a figure well under the 20 defectors McCarthy is currently facing. Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., previously abolished the longstanding process.
If Pelosi abolished it, then a reversal should be an easy concession for McCarthy. Of course it would make it easier to remove him later, so...
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This is the most hilarious *expletive deleted*it I've seen in a long time.
And the tweets. Oh the tweets....
Rep-Elect Bacon from NE calls them the dissenters the "Taliban 20".
Matt Gaetz replies:
Bacon refers to me as the “Taliban”
Well….as hurtful and false as that is….I too am prepared for an extended battle that I will ultimately win.
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And another:
https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1610674726170689538
McCarthy is losing it.
He texted one of my colleagues who didn’t vote for him:
“I am ready to fund an endless war”
I’m assuming this is in *addition* to Ukraine.
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And it seems like McCarthy has gone hat in hand to the Democrats. I wonder if they made him beg AOC.
Reportedly, and according to rumors swirling around Capitol Hill, McCarthy and the GOP establishment are preparing to negotiate a deal with Democrats to make McCarthy or a “consensus candidate” the next Speaker of the House.
One way to reach his goal would be by manipulating the voting process.
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"Consensus candidate". Holy hell.
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"Consensus candidate". Holy hell.
So Yes, it is CF. Or more specifically, Rep. McCarthy is a CF of a leader. Compromise with Democrats rather than a group of fellow Republicans. Just shows how extreme the establishment is in their desire to stamp out any wrong-think.
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Tucker Carlson makes some good points:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610810708421218305
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Tucker Carlson makes some good points:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610810708421218305
He said they "pressed them into a corner". This is a small minority and it appears the leadership isn't even trying to negotiate or give out a few concessions for their votes. I have to wonder what has been going on over the last two months since the election. How much did they really try to get everyone on board? Were they assuming many of them would end up losing their seats?
Finally, everything he said about "those people" and how they are full of themselves, it all applies to himself. Look in a mirror.
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I recognize some of the dissenters MechAg94 helpfully included in his post - there are some good people in there. (Well . . . "good" is a relative term, since they're all congresscritters.)
As for the motion to vacate . . .
The motion to vacate can be initiated by any single majority member . . .
Ummm . . . no. One, single, member ought not be able to hang things up completely. Now, if 5 or 10 members sign on to a motion to vacate - I could see that.
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MechAg94 remarked, "Were they assuming many of them would end up losing their seats?"
I was wondering that with the elections in Colorado. There seemed to be zero effort on the Republican side to create a real campaign. If I saw ten Republican candidate ads, it was a lot, compared to "the hundreds" of Dem ads.
Makes me wonder, too.
Is the Dem takeover complete, and the individual Repubs each just sniffing around hoping for possible future crumbs from the new Ruling Regime?
Cynics want to know...
Seems to have been an "every man for himself" situation since the election.
Terry, 230RN
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I recognize some of the dissenters MechAg94 helpfully included in his post - there are some good people in there. (Well . . . "good" is a relative term, since they're all congresscritters.)
As for the motion to vacate . . .
Ummm . . . no. One, single, member ought not be able to hang things up completely. Now, if 5 or 10 members sign on to a motion to vacate - I could see that.
A little backstory on the motion to vacate. They're not asking for anything new - they're asking for the original (removed by Pelosi) to be put back in place. Certainly we can still debate the rule itself, but it's a pretty old rule, not something "the terrorists" just came up with.
The motion to vacate the chair is a parliamentary rule (peculiar to Congress) that describes the right of any member of the House of Representatives to call for the formal removal of a sitting Speaker of the House and the election of a new one.
This power comes, technically, not from the Constitution but rather from a parliamentary rules manual written by Thomas Jefferson during his tenure as Vice President—and President of the Senate—between 1797 and 1801. The manual—now known as Jefferson's Manual—was adopted by Congress as an official rule book in 1837. The manual does not supersede the Constitution. Instead, it provides the rules—essentially the bylaws—for how Congress conducts its legislative business.
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/When_was_the_%22motion_to_vacate_the_chair%22_rule_last_used_in_Congress
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[popcorn]
Matt Gaetz votes for Donald Trump for House speaker in slight to McCarthy
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/matt-gaetz-votes-donald-trump-house-speaker-slight-mccarthy
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Nine time loser! Go home man!
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I read at BBC News that McCarthy has conceded on the Motion to Vacate (they didn't call it that), and something else I don't remember what; something to do with committee assignments. I wonder why that's not enough. Or maybe it is and they haven't voted again yet
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[popcorn]
Matt Gaetz votes for Donald Trump for House speaker in slight to McCarthy
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/matt-gaetz-votes-donald-trump-house-speaker-slight-mccarthy
Oh snap!
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On one hand :facepalm:
On the other :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Trump shares a preview of Biden’s next State of the Union (if he’s elected House Speaker)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/01/05/trump-shares-a-preview-of-bidens-next-state-of-the-union-if-hes-elected-house-speaker/
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^^^
Would be no worse than how Pelosi acted.
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Since the Speaker doesn't have to be a currently elected member of the House, maybe they should elect former Speaker Newt Gingrich. He could probably handle it since he wouldn't also have to represent any particular congressional district.
Yeah, I know at 80 he's gotten old (he still seems to be at least 10x sharper mentally than Traitor Joe) and he wasn't quite as perfect in the role as some people thought he was . . . but for the next two years, the GOP could certainly do worse.
And probably will.
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I, for one, am looking forward to the cognitive dissonance and later gaslighting from the GOP True Believers after McCarthy sells out any power the majority could have had to the Democrats in order to secure his personal power. Who knows how many dimensions this chess game will get to.
And the squabbling in the Twitter Public Square will be good for some popcorn. [popcorn]
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Since the Speaker doesn't have to be a currently elected member of the House, maybe they should elect former Speaker Newt Gingrich.
While I have really had nothing against Gingrich, I'm not crazy about his recent comments about the 20ish holdouts here. He seems to be firmly in the "they're terrorist extremists" camp.
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While I have really had nothing against Gingrich, I'm not crazy about his recent comments about the 20ish holdouts here. He seems to be firmly in the "they're terrorist extremists" camp.
He wasn't perfect before (he hasn't been honest about his "balancing the budget" when he was speaker), won't be perfect now, and I sure don't worship the ground he walks on.
But I'm just trying to come up with a potential speaker that might be acceptable to 218 GOP representatives and who will try to do a credible job for this country in that position.
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Call the Selective Service, have them pull someone's Draft Number. There you go, they are Speaker of The House, or they go to Jail.
Better odds of being an honest moral person than anyone else we got.
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Call the Selective Service, have them pull someone's Draft Number. There you go, they are Speaker of The House, or they go to Jail.
Better odds of being an honest moral person than anyone else we got.
I could get behind that for all the positions in the Senate and the House. Then it would be true public service.
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I could get behind that for all the positions in the Senate and the House. Then it would be true public service.
I think the adult female* portion of the citizenry might not support this.
*- That's women, not alphabet people.
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I think the adult female* portion of the citizenry might not support this.
*- That's women, not alphabet people.
Yeah I thought of that, but it's long past time to add them to the Selective Service anyway. If it gets to the point we need a Draft, there's plenty they can do in uniform.
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Here's something I didn't know/realize, or if I did I forgot it long ago...
I always thought that only the party in the majority voted for the new Speaker of the House.
Turns out that the Democrats have been voting 100% for Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat, of course, to be the new speaker. And apparently Maxine Waters, the kind, benevolent, calm, grandmotherly psycho bitch that she is, made that point in remarks yesterday on the House floor.
It's pretty sad when a horrid train wreck of a person can point out that your entire process is a... horrid train wreck.
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Jacob Chansley for Speaker!
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I'm changing my vote. They should elect Byron Donalds immediately. Dems would spontaneously combust over the identity politics dissonance.
He's the one with the suppressed fiddy:
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611121480959418372
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At what point should McCarthy just tuck his tail and set out of this?
I don't think there's been more than 1 or 2 reps change their votes TO him since this whole mess started.
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I could get behind that for all the positions in the Senate and the House. Then it would be true public service.
No, the Senate is supposed to represent the states, and shouldn't be elected at all. They should be appointed. The house is supposed to represent the people, so the candidates should be drawn from the population of the states through a lottery similar to jury selection. Go ahead and have an election to vote on the best candidate if you want, but the candidate selection process should select from a pool of common citizens and not politicians.
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Looking pretty clear that McCarthy's going to go 0 for 12 in votes.
House is convening.
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0 for 14 now. And some folks getting testy, going after each other physically. Motion to adjourn to Monday at noon made at 11:16 PM, voice vote to raucous to count. Lots of confusion the part of the chair and others running the clown show. They are polling members now to get an accurate count on the motion to adjourn.
McCarthy did get 216 votes in the last go around, however.
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McCarthy is in, though it did require him to make some concessions.
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McCarthy is in, though it did require him to make some concessions.
Needed to don a wig and high heels and start drinking vodka
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McCarthy is in, though it did require him to make some concessions.
I wonder what concessions were forced that they didn't think were necessary last week? I don't think I am expecting much from this Speaker.
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Apparently Mike Rogers tried to go after Matt Gaetz on the House floor yesterday and had to be restrained.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video
McCarthy, in his remarks after accepting the speakership, said that the Capitol is going to reopen to Americans. Republicans cheered, Democrats apparently just sat there.
I wonder if they would have cheered had he said that he was going to support "mostly peaceful protests" in Democratic-led crime hives, er..., cities across the US?
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From what I've heard, with a few exceptions the "concessions" should have been part of any GOP speaker's plan from the beginning. That they weren't is a bit unsettling.
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I had a live feed of the election going last night when this occurred. Quite the foofaraw among those running the show. I gave up and went to bed before a promised video replay of the event was shown. It was taking forever to get the replay queued up.
Looking at the video in the Fox News story, it looks more like Rep. Rogers simply leaned in to say something to McCarthy. In my opinion, there was no real "lunge" as has been reported. Rep. Hudson, R-N.C, restraining Rogers appeared to me to be an overreaction on Hudson's part and really unnecessary.
More stupid political theater.
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"Rogers simply leaned in to say something to McCarthy."
Yeah, I watched the video a couple of times on Fox, and unless something happened AFTER the cameras cut away, it sounds as if it's being over hyped.
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Well, CNN groaned on a hot mic, so that put a smile on my face.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/christs-sake-cnn-hot-mic-catches-audible-groan-during-kevin-mccarthy-remarks
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I had a live feed of the election going last night when this occurred. Quite the foofaraw among those running the show.
A foofaraw? Not a fracas or a row?
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A foofaraw? Not a fracas or a row?
I think both a fracas and a row require a bit more screaming and yelling.
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I'm changing my vote. They should elect Byron Donalds immediately.
Another black face of white supremacy?
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Here's Omar with a predicable tweet
McCarthy just agreed to a deal with far right insurrectionists that would hold the entire US and global economy hostage to extreme cuts to everything from housing to education, healthcare, Social Security and Medicare.
Hard to overstate how dangerous this is.
— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) January 6, 2023
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp-313137/2023/01/07/ilhan-omar-angry-tweets-and-gets-hilariously-dogpiled/
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A foofaraw? Not a fracas or a row?
Hey, can we just make it an insurrection?
I mean, since everything Republicans/conservatives say, think, or do (or don't say, think, or do) is racist, we ought to be able to define everything they say, think, or do as an insurrection as well.
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I can't find it now but one Democrat was so traumatized by the whole speaker mess that he's claiming that Republicans are now going to shoot up the House chamber and target the opposition.
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I can't find it now but one Democrat was so traumatized by the whole speaker mess that he's claiming that Republicans are now going to shoot up the House chamber and target the opposition.
Unfortunately, many members of Congress (of both parties, but it would seem more Democrats than Republicans) should probably never have been allowed to graduate from Kindergarten.
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Gun & Gadgets breakdown of the results
https://youtu.be/dk9WzpTeWq0
Apparently the hardliner holdouts were forcing McCarthy to concede on much-needed procedural changes, and an agreement to hold guaranteed votes on several key items unaddressed by provious admininstration.
I'm much more at ease with the holdouts. Honestly, I'm a little ticked at how few members were holding firm now that I know what motivated it.
Brad
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Here's Omar with a predicable tweet
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp-313137/2023/01/07/ilhan-omar-angry-tweets-and-gets-hilariously-dogpiled/
Someone should tell her this is what democracy looks like.
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I can't find it now but one Democrat was so traumatized by the whole speaker mess that he's claiming that Republicans are now going to shoot up the House chamber and target the opposition.
I think it was two female legislators: Pramila Jayapal and Eric Swalwell.
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I think it was two female legislators: Pramila Jayapal and Eric Swalwell.
Eric He Who Sleeps With Chinese Spies Swalwell.
If he was an R the Ds and the MSM would be screaming for his removal and imprisonment.
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Eric He Who Sleeps With Chinese Spies Swalwell.
If he was an R the Ds and the MSM would be screaming for his removal and imprisonment.
"Well, okay, so he's an idiot and maybe a traitor. But he's OUR idiot and maybe traitor."
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"Well, okay, so he's an idiot and maybe a traitor. But he's OUR idiot and maybe traitor."
Being from the America-hating side of things, they won't ever consider him to be a "traitor". =( :facepalm:
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McCarthy is in, though it did require him to make some concessions.
The way I understand it, he pretty much gave up the house. I bet in 60 days they will be voting for a new speaker.
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Everything changes once you know what McCarthy and Gaetz were actually saying
https://twitter.com/BadLipReading/status/1611934183110365184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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OK, that was really weird.
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Unfortunately, many members of Congress (of both parties, but it would seem more Democrats than Republicans) should probably never have been allowed to graduate from Kindergarten.
Uhm... excuse me, but from what I've seen over the past couple of years, they are currently IN kindergarten.
The special kind of kindergarten for complete and total f*expletive deleted*tards.
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Uhm... excuse me, but from what I've seen over the past couple of years, they are currently IN kindergarten.
The special kind of kindergarten for complete and total f*expletive deleted*tards.
They're special
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OMG! Santos Flashed the Ku Klux Klan hand signal !!!!!
Okaaay
And and then it get even dumber.
Steve Schmidt using the founding fathers to shame House Republicans for chanting ‘USA’ goes SO wrong
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/01/08/steve-schmidt-using-the-founding-fathers-to-shame-house-republicans-for-chanting-usa-goes-so-wrong/
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Everything changes once you know what McCarthy and Gaetz were actually saying
https://twitter.com/BadLipReading/status/1611934183110365184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1611650695777902593
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https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1611650695777902593
https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1611650695777902593
:rofl:
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https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1611650695777902593
:rofl:
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https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1611650695777902593
"Age restricted". Had to have an account and login. [barf]
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I've noticed that some credit Chip Roy as being the one who forced McCarthy to make concessions, but some credit Matt Gaetz. I'm sure they both had their own roles in the drama, but it would be interesting to find out more.
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I've noticed that some credit Chip Roy as being the one who forced McCarthy to make concessions, but some credit Matt Gaetz. I'm sure they both had their own roles in the drama, but it would be interesting to find out more.
Gaetz was on Tim Pool's show last week. I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet.