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Title: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2023, 06:58:53 PM
Trying to avoid a mess of threads and since they're coming in hard and fast now I think a single thread to keep a watch on them is needed.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2023, 07:03:39 PM
A bill from MA defining all semi autos as "assault weapons" and since "assault weapons" are banned in MA....Well you do the math.

Massachusetts Democrat introduces ban on all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/01/14/massachusetts-democrat-ban-semi-automatic-n66148

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Which is weird, because Massachusetts already has an ?assault weapons? ban on the books dating back to 1998; one that was dramatically expanded through a ?re-interpretation? of the statute by then-Attorney General Maura Healey in 2016.

Those bills defined ?assault weapons? by features, and in some cases by name, but Rep. David Linsky?s new bill takes a much simpler approach; defining all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns as ?assault weapons?.

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SECTION 1. Subsection (b) of section 61 of chapter 90 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2018 Official Edition, is hereby amended by striking out the words ?assault weapon?, in line 13, and inserting in place thereof the following words:- any rifle or shotgun containing a semiautomatic mechanism.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2023, 07:04:53 PM
Meanwhile in New Mexico

Bill introduced limiting mags to 9 rounds

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Rep. Patricia Roybal Caballero (D-ABQ) on Monday filed House Bill 50 (HB0050 (nmlegis.gov), legislation making it a felony to possess, use, manufacture, import, purchase, sell, loan, borrow or transfer a magazine or similar device capable of holding 10 or more rounds of ammunition in the state. This restrictive measure contains no grandfather clause for currently- and lawfully-owned magazines and it includes a $1.5 million appropriation to the New Mexico Department of Safety to "administer" this ban if it becomes law. 

First Anti-Gun Bill Filed in New Mexico Legislature: Magazine Ban Legislation
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20230110/first-anti-gun-bill-filed-in-new-mexico-legislature-magazine-ban-legislation

Here's Colion Noir

New Mexico House Bill 50 Limits Magazines To 9 Rounds, Here's How This Leads To Banning All Guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgiZH9seOtg
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 09:21:54 AM
Another federal "assault weapons" ban bill and an age restriction bill submitted by Dianne Turn them All In Feinstein

She cites the Monterey Park shooting despite M11s already being illegal in CA

BREAKING: Federal Assault Weapons & Magazine Bans Submitted...There's MORE Too!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rM_x2YFgc

Bans the sell and transfer of 205 named AWs and others by features including shoulder things that go up.
Mandates "safe" storage
The usual mag stuff
Ban bump stocks and any device that allows a semi autos to fire at FA rates
etc etc etc... I think you know the routine by now.

AW bill
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To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear
arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/c/b/cb549d01-5602-43c5-bd78-8904b4250cae/AEA752FA2657D568F2D8AD66AD3DBA8F.2023.01.23-assault-weapons-ban.pdf

Age bill.
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6/d/6da516cb-5493-4ad1-ad9b-487a3568a62f/C300AEF287EFF7BE97C01230B03CC22F.2023.01.23-age-21-act.pdf

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on January 24, 2023, 09:28:23 AM
AW bill https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/c/b/cb549d01-5602-43c5-bd78-8904b4250cae/AEA752FA2657D568F2D8AD66AD3DBA8F.2023.01.23-assault-weapons-ban.pdf

On the listed firearms, it's kind of a crackup on all the Thompson variants listed. Sounds like they got some of their gun education from 1930s gangster movies.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 09:30:41 AM
Lets see how many RINOs we have in the house
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on January 24, 2023, 09:48:46 AM
30 rds of 5.56 says this dies in committee.  Have any of the federal AW bans of the last decade gotten out of committee to a floor vote?  I think the uniparty is concerned that they don't have the court for a ban and don't want to set federal precedent on what is or is not banable.  They'd rather the blue states still get to have their laws down in amenable district courts.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 10:02:36 AM
30 rds of 5.56 says this dies in committee.  Have any of the federal AW bans of the last decade gotten out of committee to a floor vote?  I think the uniparty is concerned that they don't have the court for a ban and don't want to set federal precedent on what is or is not banable.  They'd rather the blue states still get to have their laws down in amenable district courts.

Last year's made it out of the house and to the senate.
Anyhow
Yes there are more Rs in the house than last year but still like to keep an eye on this stuff since the usual suspects like to go for it when the emotions are high. In other words while the recent shootings are still fresh in people's minds.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2023, 05:09:49 PM
Bill introduced in NY to limit purchases to 1 rifle or shotgun every 90 days.

WHAT?!? ONE Rifle Per 90 Days?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koo4rurnjyY
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 06, 2023, 05:17:36 PM
Bill introduced in NY to limit purchases to 1 rifle or shotgun every 90 days.

WHAT?!? ONE Rifle Per 90 Days?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koo4rurnjyY


So if I buy too many rifles too fast, that would make me impervious to F-15s and nukes?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2023, 12:50:31 PM
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Maryland’s Delegate Pam Queen introduced HB 704, a bill titled, “Firearms – Tracking Technology.” The bill’s description reads:

Prohibiting a person from engaging in a certain bulk firearm transfer unless each firearm that is part of the transfer contains a certain embedded tracker; requiring a seller or other transferor who engages in a bulk firearm transfer to transmit to the Secretary of State Police certain information; providing that a violation of the Act is a civil offense and subject to a fine of up to $2500; and requiring the Secretary to establish a certain database to store information about each bulk firearm transfer in the State.

It says this is for "bulk firearm transfer" Assuming this would apply to shipments to FFLs

Holy Orwell, Batman: Maryland Gun-Grabbers Want to Mandate RFID Tags to Track Firearms in Real Time
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/holy-orwell-batman-maryland-gun-grabbers-want-to-mandate-rfid-tags-to-track-firearms-in-real-time/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 10, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
It says this is for "bulk firearm transfer" Assuming this would apply to shipments to FFLs

Holy Orwell, Batman: Maryland Gun-Grabbers Want to Mandate RFID Tags to Track Firearms in Real Time
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/holy-orwell-batman-maryland-gun-grabbers-want-to-mandate-rfid-tags-to-track-firearms-in-real-time/
Perhaps it should apply to the BATFE.  Of course, the RFID tags would be meaningless to criminals stealing guns. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 10, 2023, 03:19:10 PM
Or maybe all FedGov issue firearms should be tagged so the Govt might track them when they are stolen or left in bathrooms.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 10, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
Futility Thesis: Academics Suggest Biden Reframe the Gun Control Narrative Away From ‘Assault Weapons’ and Mass Shootings
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/futility-thesis-academics-suggest-biden-reframe-the-gun-control-narrative-away-from-assault-weapons-and-mass-shootings/

Getting awfully close to some actual truth, but still wants gun control.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 20, 2023, 10:06:44 AM
Judge says that "Assault weapons" and "high cap" magazines aren't protected by the 2A because they're extra dangerous

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A federal judge in Illinois has declined to put a stop to the state of Illinois’ new ban on so-called assault weapons, along with a similar prohibition locally imposed by the city of Naperville, ruling that the firearms in question aren’t protected by the Second Amendment in the first place.

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In her ruling, Kendall wrote that the Illinois and Naperville bans meet that burden: “Because assault weapons are particularly dangerous weapons and high-capacity magazines are particularly dangerous weapon accessories, their regulation accords with history and tradition.

What history and tradition?

Federal judge says "assault weapons" not protected by the Second Amendment
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/02/20/federal-judge-says-assault-weapons-not-protected-by-the-second-amendment-n67535
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 20, 2023, 11:13:19 AM
I would really like to see them apply the same standards to the 1st and 4th amendments.

If the founding fathers didn't have it then it isn't protected.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 20, 2023, 11:46:55 AM
I would really like to see them apply the same standards to the 1st and 4th amendments.

If the founding fathers didn't have it then it isn't protected.

Judge Keller needs to go back and re-read Heller.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 23, 2023, 11:28:30 AM
Bans the online sale of ammo
Also requires the reporting of the selling of more than 1k rounds within a five day period to an "unlicensed" person

HR 584

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To require face-to-face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/584/text?s=2&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22Hr584%22%5D%7D
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2023, 12:16:04 PM
Columbus going rogue challenging Ohio's preemption law

Columbus, Ohio sets July 1st deadline for owners of "large capacity" magazines
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/02/28/columbus-july-magazines-n67910
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2023, 11:01:15 AM
Meanwhile in Colorado

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    Democrats introduced an assault weapons ban at the Colorado statehouse late Friday, a move which is sure to inflame the legislature and potential push away some in the party who have expressed reservations about whether the state could enforce such a ban.

    House bill 1230 was assigned to the House Judiciary Committee where several of the co-sponsors serve, including the bill’s main sponsor Democratic Rep. Elisabeth Epps.

    Democrats could lose as many as 13 votes in the House and still pass the measure onto the Senate, which has a smaller Democratic majority.
   …

    At the center of the debate is the question of what constitutes an assault weapon. As written, the measure would define an assault weapon as a “semiautomatic rifle” that uses detachable magazines and has one of a number of features, these include a pistol grip, a folding stock, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel, among others. The draft also would ban certain .50 caliber rifles, semi automatic pistols, shotguns with revolving cylinders and semiautomatic shotguns.

Colorado Democrats introduce assault weapon ban
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/03/04/colorado-assault-ban-n68051
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Kingcreek on March 04, 2023, 11:05:07 AM
With all the anti gun bills and lawsuits nationwide and all the discrepancy, I gotta think SC would have to get involved pretty soon.
Can somebody check a pulse on Scalia and see if maybe he is well enough to return for a bit?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2023, 09:14:35 AM
Note the underlined

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Late Friday, two Democratic party lawmakers introduced HB23-1230 ‘Prohibit Assault Weapons In Colorado’ which defines the term “assault weapon” and prohibits sales and ownership transfers. …

Within HB23-1230, an “assault weapon” is defined as a firearm that includes any of the following:

        .50 caliber rifle, excluding antiques, shotguns, and muzzle-loading firearms
        a semiautomatic rifle
            that accepts a detachable magazine, or may be modified to accept one
            has a pistol grip
            with a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
            with a folding, telescoping, thumbhole, or detachable stock
            with a flash suppressor
            with a functional grenade launcher
            with a shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel
            with a threaded barrel
            with a fixed large-capacity magazine (more than 15 rounds as defined by CRS 18-12-301)
        a semiautomatic pistol
            that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, or may be modified to accept one

            with a second pistol grip
            with a shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel
            with a flash suppressor
            with the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition-feeding device at some location outside of the pistol grip
            that weighs more than 50 ounces when unloaded
            with a buffer tube, arm brace, or other part that protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip
            with a fixed large-capacity magazine
        a shotgun with a revolving cylinder
        a semiautomatic shotgun
            with a pistol grip
            with any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
            with a folding, telescoping, thumbhole, or detachable stock
            with a functional grenade launcher
            with a fixed large-capacity magazine
            with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine
        a semiautomatic firearm that has the capacity to accept a belt ammunition feeding device
        any firearm with a rapid-fire trigger activator

Colorado ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Would Outlaw All Semi-Automatic Handguns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/colorado-assault-weapons-ban-would-outlaw-all-semi-automatic-handugns/

The bill https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2023A/bills/2023a_1230_01.pdf
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 08, 2023, 09:59:05 AM
What is this fetish Democrats have with barrel shrouds?  WWI called, it wants it's shotguns back.

On the pistol thing WLJ underlined, that article missed an "or" when they were quoting it.  It's pretty clearly talking about the "pistol" version of rifles or SMGs, not a Glock.  I have to wonder though if a beavertail counts as an "other part that protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip".  Like how far back horizontally does this part have to protrude?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2023, 10:06:48 AM
What is this fetish Democrats have with barrel shrouds?  WWI called, it wants it's shotguns back.

On the pistol thing WLJ underlined, that article missed an "or" when they were quoting it.  It's pretty clearly talking about the "pistol" version of rifles or SMGs, not a Glock.  I have to wonder though if a beavertail counts as an "other part that protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip".  Like how far back horizontally does this part have to protrude?

It's the IF that's it pivots on

Actually checked the bill myself before posting just in case they left something out and missed it myself

(III) A .50 CALIBER RIFLE ;1
(IV) A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO2
ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE , OR THAT MAY BE READILY MODIFIED3
TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, IF THE SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL HAS4
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING FEATURES
:5
(A) A THREADED BARREL;6
(B) A SECOND PISTOL GRIP OR ADDITIONAL FEATURE CAPABLE OF.........
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2023, 01:25:50 PM
Release the lawyers!

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    Seeking to crack down on gun violence, state attorney general William Tong filed a lawsuit Tuesday against four out-of-state manufacturers for shipping ghost gun parts to Connecticut.

    Tong filed the civil suit against two manufacturers from Florida and one each from Utah and North Carolina after all four companies shipped the parts to an undercover investigator working for the attorney general’s office, he said.

    During a press conference Tuesday, Tong displayed some of the parts that had been shipped to Connecticut, where ghost guns have been banned since October 2019.

    “Ghost guns are unserialized, untraceable, unregistered, fully functional, in most cases fully automatic firearms that one can make at home,” Tong told reporters in Hartford. “These are guns that put Connecticut families, residents and law enforcement at risk because we can’t trace them. … They’re a menace.”

Connecticut AG sues "ghost gun" companies
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/03/08/connecticut-ag-sues-ghost-gun-companies-n68169
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 09, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
Washington "assault weapons" ban advancing

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House Bill 1240 prohibits the sale, manufacture, and import of assault weapons in Washington state while "allowing reasonable exemptions for manufacture and sale to law enforcement and the military

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The legislation does not prohibit the possession of assault weapons.
Yet

Washington House votes 55-42 to ban sale of assault weapons
https://www.q13fox.com/news/washington-house-votes-55-42-to-ban-sale-of-assault-weapons

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240.pdf?q=20230309062512
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on March 09, 2023, 10:08:33 AM
^^^Now it goes to the Washington state Senate, where there is a pretty good chance it will pass.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2023, 10:31:20 AM
If it passes, I was watching a Washington Gun Law channel video where he was recommending people stock up on lowers (before any ban) since they're marked "other" on the 4473. I guess that's a way to have the base component for building an AR that you don't take to the public range to shoot, since I assume unlike many other states, cops in certain Western WA counties at least, will enforce the ban.

https://youtu.be/tGbqeivK7ls
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2023, 11:15:23 AM
That's not a horrible idea, but if you are worried about what it says on a 4473 vis a vis an upcoming potential ban, I would say just break the law now and get you some 80 lowers.  Then there's no 4473 to worry about.  It's not like a firearm with the model number PSA F*CK BIDEN-15 is particularly subtle.

I guess that's a way to have the base component for building an AR that you don't take to the public range to shoot, since I assume unlike many other states, cops in certain Western WA counties at least, will enforce the ban.


Although, from the comfort of my firearms friendly state, I have to wonder what's the point of stocking up on a firearm type that you aren't going to be proficient with.  Does Western Washington have a bunch of secluded BLM land to shoot on like the southwest?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on March 09, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
That's not a horrible idea, but if you are worried about what it says on a 4473 vis a vis an upcoming potential ban, I would say just break the law now and get you some 80 lowers.  Then there's no 4473 to worry about.  It's not like a firearm with the model number PSA F*CK BIDEN-15 is particularly subtle.

Although, from the comfort of my firearms friendly state, I have to wonder what's the point of stocking up on a firearm type that you aren't going to be proficient with.  Does Western Washington have a bunch of secluded BLM land to shoot on like the southwest?

Not really.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2023, 11:43:07 AM
Although, from the comfort of my firearms friendly state, I have to wonder what's the point of stocking up on a firearm type that you aren't going to be proficient with.  Does Western Washington have a bunch of secluded BLM land to shoot on like the southwest?

And I'm only guessing regarding Western WA enforcement (or lack thereof). It seems with the pistol brace ruling, more cops than I can ever remember protesting earlier gun control are protesting that, and are stating they will ignore it.

I know that anywhere that I shoot, including the public range, I am as of now safe from any local county or city cops, as the Sheriff and all the police chiefs in my area have said they will not enforce it, which means even if they have a rogue anti-gun cop on their force, that person has been ordered not to enforce it. Our AG is part of a lawsuit against it, so the state cops won't enforce it either.

I don't know, but suspect that the sheriff of whatever county Seattle is in will not issue any "will not comply" decrees. Thus, even if most of the cops under them would ignore enforcement, all it takes is the one anti-gun cop on the force to bust you at the public range. Also state cops could show up anywhere.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2023, 11:50:59 AM
The Revenuers could deploy their federal tac team as well if they see a scary untaxed brace.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 09, 2023, 11:55:06 AM
The Revenuers could deploy their federal tac team as well if they see a scary untaxed brace.

Definitely. Though one of the reasons I didn't mention them, and I forget where I read it (might have been here  =) ), is that their available personnel pool to actually do that is so small compared to the areas they would need to cover, that the probability of getting popped by a fed, especially if you're outside of population centers, is incredibly small.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
Definitely. Though one of the reasons I didn't mention them, and I forget where I read it (might have been here  =) ), is that their available personnel pool to actually do that is so small compared to the areas they would need to cover, that the probability of getting popped by a fed, especially if you're outside of population centers, is incredibly small.

Perhaps it's because I'm in Tampa where they just plussed up their office due to the dangerous J6 soccer moms, but I would be shocked if they didn't have agents in every field office that made it a point to go to the local ranges every week or two, look at what's being shot, and look at license plates.  We routinely play "spot the fed" at classes on my range.

It's too easy a way to pump up numbers and bully folks into informing, plus way safer than messing with those guys that have Alibaba switches on their Glocks in Chicago.  Were I a statist thug POS, I would make it a point to find a couple illegal guns in the jurisdiction of every prominent sheriff that said they wouldn't enforce gun laws and scoop up the owners, just so the Fudds stay scared.  Similarly I would be shocked if they didn't have someone going through Guntuber's back catalogs and counting pistols, then flagging form 1's in under their name so that on April 2nd, they can go kick in doors FPSRussia style.  (If they have a sense of humor they'll do the raids April 15th)


ETA:  I got the email a form 4 was approved as I typed that paragraph^^^^.  You can't tell me the gods don't have a sense of humor.   :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on March 09, 2023, 01:44:17 PM
Perhaps it's because I'm in Tampa where they just plussed up their office due to the dangerous J6 soccer moms, but I would be shocked if they didn't have agents in every field office that made it a point to go to the local ranges every week or two, look at what's being shot, and look at license plates.  We routinely play "spot the fed" at classes on my range.

It's too easy a way to pump up numbers and bully folks into informing, plus way safer than messing with those guys that have Alibaba switches on their Glocks in Chicago.  Were I a statist thug POS, I would make it a point to find a couple illegal guns in the jurisdiction of every prominent sheriff that said they wouldn't enforce gun laws and scoop up the owners, just so the Fudds stay scared.  Similarly I would be shocked if they didn't have someone going through Guntuber's back catalogs and counting pistols, then flagging form 1's in under their name so that on April 2nd, they can go kick in doors FPSRussia style.  (If they have a sense of humor they'll do the raids April 15th)


ETA:  I got the email a form 4 was approved as I typed that paragraph^^^^.  You can't tell me the gods don't have a sense of humor.   :cool: :cool:
On that last, they have already said in their own training that all you have to do is take the brace off for it not to be an SBR. 

Yes, they can ignore their own advice and do it anyway, but that is a black hole discussion. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 09, 2023, 01:52:58 PM
take it off ***And destroy it****.

And we remember from the before times that a buffer tube that will accept a stock, and a stock you could put on it, even if that stock is on another rifle, is constructive possession of an SBR.


But honestly they don't need the conviction.  They need to pick the right guy with a braced AR at the range, and preferably a 10/22 in one of these jurisdictions with a Sheriff that is not bending the knee, get a warrant based on seeing him with an AR pistol and stock (maybe on another gun), call the news and roll a tac team.  The story will be "multiple weapons, including illegal SBR, and thousands of rounds of ammo seized by ATF/FBI joint task force.  Sheriff refuses to enforce public safety laws.  Federal law enforcement needs more agents to step in where the racist lazy Sheriff's won't."  Film at 11.

I have to assume they will do something like that just for the chilling effect.  The Revenuers can't let states and Sheriff's just ignore them (and federal law).  That's how you end up the next Border Patrol with no funding and the president hating on your horse reins.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
Meanwhile in my home state

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A bill that would ban state and local law enforcement, governments and their employees from enforcing federal gun laws or regulations in Kentucky advanced from a Senate committee Thursday morning.

House Bill 153, sponsored by Rep. Josh Bray, R-Mount Vernon, would prevent local law enforcement, employees of public agencies and local governments from assisting or cooperating with a “federal ban” on firearms, firearms accessories and ammunition. The bill’s language would also prevent local governments and public agencies from adopting rules or spending public funding or resources to enforce such a federal ban on firearms.

Kentucky bill barring help on federal gun laws advances
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/03/11/kentucky-bill-federal-n68293
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on March 12, 2023, 12:32:23 AM
https://rumble.com/v2cbabe-wtf-wednesday-returns-with-guns-drag-jan-sixth-and-more..html
Nick Rekieta spent the first part of his stream talking about the Missouri case and what he thought of the federal court decision.  I think he commented at one point the federal judge just accepted the Justice Dept argument in whole without any regard for what the law actually does. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2023, 09:40:00 PM
They're getting nuttier

Massachusetts lawmaker thinks gun show attendance should require a license
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/03/15/massachusetts-lawmaker-thinks-gun-show-attendance-should-require-a-license-n68470
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2023, 02:09:25 PM
Release the lawyers!

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On March 22, 2021, a gunman murdered 10 people at a King Soopers supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, including Suzanne Fountain. Now, her son is suing gun manufacturer Sturm, Ruger & Co. over how it marketed the firearm used in the massacre — claiming the company was complicit in the shooting.

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in state court in Connecticut, which is home to Sturm, Ruger & Co. The plaintiff, Nathaniel Getz, says the company marketed it AR-556 pistol in a "reckless" and "immoral" way that promoted its killing capability.

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Getz's attorney, Andrew Garza, said he is the first relative of the 10 victims to file a lawsuit against the gun maker, following the playbook established by families of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims.

Son of Colorado mass shooting victim sues gun manufacturer Sturm, Ruger & Co.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/son-colorado-mass-shooting-victim-sues-gun-manufacturer-sturm-ruger-co
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2023, 04:01:34 PM
Oregon Democrats introduce "ghost gun" ban, age restrictions, and more
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/03/17/oregon-democrats-introduce-ghost-gun-ban-age-restrictions-and-more-n68544

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The three new bills are:

    House Bill 2005 would punish the manufacturing, sales and possession of undetectable firearms intended to skirt security screenings and untraceable firearms  that lack a serial number.

    House Bill 2006 would increase from 18 to 21 the legal age to purchase or possess a firearm. The proposal would have exceptions for firearms used for hunting and for people younger than 21 who are in the military or police officers.

    House Bill 2007 would allow cities and counties to restrict people licensed to carry a concealed handgun from possessing a firearm on the agency’s buildings or grounds.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 12:49:11 PM
Wow, just wow
So much BS packed into 4 minutes.

Here's Rep Raskin

Anti-2A Congressman Says The 2nd Amendment Is "DEBUNKED"?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkISsJQf1A
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on March 24, 2023, 02:59:43 PM
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-sheepdog-15-stripped-lower-receiver.html
PSA AR-15 "Sheepdog-15" GOA Fundraiser Stripped Lower Receiver  $59.99

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This fundraiser is being promoted in conjunction with Palmetto State Armory and the Gun Owners of America to promote freedom across the country.

$10 Dollars from the sale of each Sheepdog-15 lower will be donated to Gun Owners of America.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 24, 2023, 03:05:46 PM
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-sheepdog-15-stripped-lower-receiver.html
PSA AR-15 "Sheepdog-15" GOA Fundraiser Stripped Lower Receiver  $59.99

Saw that a week ago and I only just now realized that may suppose to the rancher recently in the new.. But why Texas when he was in AZ?

Edit: Would help if I actually read the description before commenting.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 28, 2023, 10:44:33 AM
Passed

Kentucky bill prohibiting enforcement of federal firearms bans becomes law
https://www.wdrb.com/news/kentucky-bill-prohibiting-enforcement-of-federal-firearms-bans-becomes-law/article_aa060876-cd6e-11ed-99b0-e3653faa0bfe.html

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"It says going forward no state tax dollars or state manpower will be allocated towards the law enforcement of federal firearms ban regulations after Jan. 1, 2021," Bray said.

Under the new law, Kentucky police and law enforcement officers are not allowed to adopt rules, regulations or ordinances that require the enforcement of such bans. Police agencies are also prohibited from "allocating public resources or moneys in the enforcement of federal firearm bans."
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2023, 07:29:10 AM
I guess this goes here:

Supposedly for children 0-19, gun related deaths are now the number one cause of death in the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html
https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

Something seems quite fishy with this study. They are supposedly adjusting for population, however based on population adjustment, and guns aside, I would question all the other death types. According to them, the US is orders of magnitude higher on all the other death types, including diseases like cancer and congenital disease.

I suspect that for guns, the below is part of the answer (18-19 year olds and gangs). That doesn't explain the disease numbers though.

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Using the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Wonder database and the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) Global Burden of Disease (GBD) study data, we compare fatality rates and disability estimates for people ages 1 through 19. (Since estimates were not available for children ages 1-17 alone, young adults ages 18 and 19 are grouped with children for the purposes of this brief).
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on March 30, 2023, 08:27:17 AM
I suspect that for guns, the below is part of the answer (18-19 year olds and gangs). That doesn't explain the disease numbers though.
Yeah, 19 year old "kids" alone represent about the equivalent number of deaths as 0-14 combined, for instance.

Statistically speaking, kids are at significantly lower risk from most diseases, and through vaccination, hygiene, and plentiful nutrition we've been able to eliminate or greatly reduce most of the diseases that disproportionately impact children.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on March 30, 2023, 09:27:14 AM
So they just raised the age until they got the answer they wanted. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on March 31, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
It is possible.  Black young men have astronomical murder rates.  The following info includes ages up to 24, but it is still startling.

Between 1950 and 2010, the average death rate for young Black males due to homicide was 81.7 per 100,000 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934719895999
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on March 31, 2023, 11:57:46 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm

This shows the 'congenital diseases' category, and it is essentially birth defects.

Children aged 1-4 years
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities
Assault (homicide)
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality data (2021) via CDC WONDER

Children aged 5-9 years
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Cancer
Assault (homicide)
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality data (2021) via CDC WONDER

Children aged 10-14 years
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Intentional self-harm (suicide)
Cancer
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality data (2021) via CDC WONDER
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 31, 2023, 01:33:48 PM
https://wisqars.cdc.gov/data/lcd/home

Suicide is way too high on the list. Because mean parents won't let Johnny be Jane, obviously.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JN01 on March 31, 2023, 05:35:00 PM
The data on child firearms deaths doesn't indicate how many were involved in criminal activity when killed.

I didn't see any figures for those killed by medical malpractice.

Or abortion.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 31, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
I didn't see any figures for those killed by medical malpractice.

Or abortion.

There are more than a few little angels out there in need of 48th-64th trimester abortions.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2023, 06:46:43 PM
Not perfect, but I appreciate it anytime an MSM outlet tries to provide accurate information. This is a TV news station out of North Dakota explaining that AR-15s are not assault weapons:


https://youtu.be/jAHW4aeBpuk
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on March 31, 2023, 07:08:14 PM
Interesting video Ben.  Good find.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JN01 on March 31, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
There are more than a few little angels out there in need of 48th-64th trimester abortions.

That's a fact.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 01, 2023, 07:29:44 AM
Not perfect, but I appreciate it anytime an MSM outlet tries to provide accurate information. This is a TV news station out of North Dakota explaining that AR-15s are not assault weapons:


https://youtu.be/jAHW4aeBpuk

The AR has to be the most arcane of weapon systems. Every "explainer" is riddled with falsehoods.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2023, 01:13:53 PM
Welcome to the club, Florida! We are now a majority!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-signature-tips-us-majority-constitutional-carry-nation-new-florida-gun-rights-law
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on April 03, 2023, 01:21:15 PM
Welcome to the club, Florida! We are now a majority!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-signature-tips-us-majority-constitutional-carry-nation-new-florida-gun-rights-law
I never, ever would have predicted that when I first got my permit.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on April 03, 2023, 04:09:30 PM
I have heard the Florida law isn't true constitutional carry.  Anyone heard about that?

Still a big step forward.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 03, 2023, 04:17:46 PM
I have heard the Florida law isn't true constitutional carry.  Anyone heard about that?

Still a big step forward.

People say that about a lot of the laws in a lot of states. I guess what level of regulation the constitutional really allows for is still up for debate. (I.e., does the 2A mean you can carry in a bar, or in a courtroom?)

That's why I prefer to use terms like "permitless" or "free carry." Those laws may not all be up to the real, constitutional standard, but at least they're a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on April 03, 2023, 04:23:08 PM
I saw the headline below and that reminded me.  It was permitless carry, not open carry.  It is still great to see.  I hope they can keep improving their gun laws.

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2023/04/breaking-florida-becomes-the-26th-state-to-allow-permitless-carry/#ixzz7xqsrGm2M
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution
Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook

Florida Becomes the 26th State to Allow Permitless Carry

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 03, 2023, 05:07:59 PM
I'm so confused. Shouldn't DeSantis have genocided-ed all the beautiful trans queers before he let them start carrying guns?

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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 03, 2023, 05:08:32 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 10, 2023, 11:07:17 AM
DeSantis signed the bill because he's afraid of the people! Totally standard dictator move, as history has shown us.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/10/gun-grabbin-gavins-explanation-for-why-gov-desantis-is-scared-of-the-people-makes-no-sense/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 10, 2023, 11:32:11 AM
DeSantis signed the bill because he's afraid of the people! Totally standard dictator move, as history has shown us.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/10/gun-grabbin-gavins-explanation-for-why-gov-desantis-is-scared-of-the-people-makes-no-sense/

When the people are afraid of the government you have tyranny.
When the government is afraid of the people you have liberty.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on April 10, 2023, 05:07:52 PM
The NYT re-issues an editorial opinion on gun control:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.html
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on April 11, 2023, 09:54:53 AM
Governments murder far more people than criminals.  To reduce murder, we need to totally disarm all the governments in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

It's for the children.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on April 11, 2023, 10:43:14 AM
Looking to sue Sig and Glock.

Note the "GLOCK ADMITS ITS GUN IS “DESIGNED FOR PROFESSIONALS.”" bit

and this

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The National Firearms Act of 1934 protected Americans by regulating the machine gun. A 1934 machine gun is no match for a 2015 Sig Sauer MCX, yet the MCX and similar military-style weapons are now used for mass slaughter in our elementary schools, our colleges, our churches, our restaurants our theaters and our nightspots. The MCX is perfectly and intentionally designed to quickly kill masses, and in that regard, the shooter gets exactly what he paid for.”

Lawyer Of Pulse Victim Claims Semi-Auto Rifles More Dangerous Than Machine Guns
https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2016/06/30/lawyer-pulse-victim-claims-semi-auto-rifles-dangerous-machine-guns-n26079

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 11, 2023, 12:50:12 PM
Looking to sue Sig and Glock.

Note the "GLOCK ADMITS ITS GUN IS “DESIGNED FOR PROFESSIONALS.”" bit

and this

Lawyer Of Pulse Victim Claims Semi-Auto Rifles More Dangerous Than Machine Guns
https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2016/06/30/lawyer-pulse-victim-claims-semi-auto-rifles-dangerous-machine-guns-n26079


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52566457225_18b60d5253.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o67Qm2)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on April 11, 2023, 03:42:36 PM
The NYT re-issues an editorial opinion on gun control:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.html

PAYWALL.  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2023, 02:13:46 PM
ATI being sued using very similar language that was used in the Bushmaster and current Daniel Defense lawsuits.

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The family of a man who died in a 2021 mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis filed a lawsuit Thursday with two survivors against the magazine distributor, American Tactical Inc., alleging the company used reckless marketing tactics that targeted young men who are at risk for violent behavior, according to USA Today.

The lawsuit accuses American Tactical Inc. of failing as a distributor for providing violent people access to purchase a high-capacity magazine, USA Today reports, which would allow for the weapon to fire off a dozen rounds without reloading.

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“American Tactical, Inc. is well aware that these magazines are instruments of mass killing and have no problem marketing them directly to people with horrific intentions,” said Gurinder Singh Bains, son of Jaswinder Singh who died in the FedEx shooting and a plaintiff in the case.

“This isn’t a hypothetical. My father is gone because they didn’t care they were enabling mass shooters. They must be held accountable not just for my father’s sake but everyone who may still suffer what my family and I have been forced to go through,” he said in an emailed statement.

Gun magazine distributor sued by survivors, victims in Indianapolis FedEx shooting
https://thehill.com/homenews/3950916-gun-magazine-distributor-indianapolis-fedex-shooting/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Boomhauer on April 15, 2023, 03:03:05 PM
PAYWALL.  [barf]

You ain’t missing anything it’s just another Liberal citycuck calling for your rights to be further restricted. More background checks, background checks on ammunition, have to undergo a purchase permit process, putting gun wound photos on ammunition boxes, and other similar stupidity.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on April 15, 2023, 03:27:22 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on April 15, 2023, 03:42:26 PM
You ain’t missing anything it’s just another Liberal citycuck calling for your rights to be further restricted. More background checks, background checks on ammunition, have to undergo a purchase permit process, putting gun wound photos on ammunition boxes, and other similar stupidity.

As expected as it IS the New Jerk Times.  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 15, 2023, 04:39:00 PM
You ain’t missing anything it’s just another Liberal citycuck calling for your rights to be further restricted. More background checks, background checks on ammunition, have to undergo a purchase permit process, putting gun wound photos on ammunition boxes, and other similar stupidity.

They realize wound photos on the ammo boxen would be a selling point, right?

Right?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 15, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
I reckon this fits here. BBC article on the AR-15. Apparently this Busse guy is a former firearms industry person who went antigun?

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Ryan Busse was a top executive at a firearms company in the early 2000s. Back then, he said, AR-15s and other “tactical” military-style weapons were banished to the back halls of industry shows and only accessible to law enforcement and former military members.

I'm pretty sure I'm not crazy and that there has never been a "former military" exemption for scary guns. Yet BBC is quoting this "expert" stating just that. Where's that crazy lady that was supposed to be the fed.gov disinformation czar? Bueller?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/15/bbc-looks-at-how-the-ar-15-went-from-banished-to-americas-national-gun/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65280361

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 15, 2023, 06:05:50 PM
 :rofl:  Wasn't the AR on the civvy market even before the M16 became the general issue service rifle?


Plus this:

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Meanwhile, advances in technology have accelerated the rifle's capabilities beyond those of the military's M-16, Mr Busse said, making it more deadly."

Ummmm, what? The article doesn't even try to explain this. Guess we might as well deregulate full-auto, then.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2023, 02:47:15 PM
Grandpa is getting worked up again.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/17/dana-loesch-others-lower-the-reality-check-boom-after-bidens-gun-control-diatribe/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2023, 03:14:07 PM
Grandpa is getting worked up again.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/17/dana-loesch-others-lower-the-reality-check-boom-after-bidens-gun-control-diatribe/


Safe storage of guns? How about safe storage of classified documents?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2023, 05:25:35 PM
Mass shooting stats compared:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

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Does the United States have more mass shootings than other countries? It depends on the data.

Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on April 17, 2023, 10:59:08 PM
Safe storage of guns? How about safe storage of classified documents?

How about "safe storage" of convicted criminals?  ;/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
How about "safe storage" of convicted criminals?  ;/

thats racist
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 17, 2023, 11:07:47 PM
https://twitchy.com/aaronw-313234/2023/04/17/marianne-williamson-tries-stomping-on-the-2nd-amendment-steps-on-history-rake-instead/

The responses are really good. Scroll to the end.

Her tweet:
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When the Founders wrote the Second Amendment, the largest guns they had were muskets.

The modern bullet had not yet been invented.

They could only shoot one bullet at a time.

Today’s assault weapon would be like the power of a cannon to them.

And the Founders never outlawed cannons, so...
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on April 18, 2023, 06:43:17 AM
https://twitchy.com/aaronw-313234/2023/04/17/marianne-williamson-tries-stomping-on-the-2nd-amendment-steps-on-history-rake-instead/

The responses are really good. Scroll to the end.

Her tweet:
And the Founders never outlawed cannons, so...

By their logical the 1st A doesn't apply to ball point pens, typewriters, radio, TV, telephones, telegraphs, cells phones, the internet, cameras etc..... You can also throw in cars, airplanes, trains, powered ships as means of conveying messages.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on April 18, 2023, 09:38:01 AM
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This is your periodic reminder:

While it may be possible to outsmart the founders, anyone smart enough to do it is smart enough to not try, and anyone who wants to try isn't smart enough to do it.

I like this response.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 18, 2023, 05:08:01 PM
The ATF Director, when asked about "assault weapons":

https://twitter.com/i/status/1648385350954262535

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/18/atf-director-admits-hes-no-firearms-expert-and-cant-define-assault-weapon/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on April 21, 2023, 01:49:21 PM
thats racist

How so?  Crooks are crooks and like a mad dog, should be safely confined or destroyed.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 21, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
How so?  Crooks are crooks and like a mad dog, should be safely confined or destroyed.  :facepalm:

Are you white? Then everything you say is racist.

Are you non-white? Then nothing you say or do could ever be racist. Unless you disagree with left-wing neo-racism. Then you're the black face of white supremacy.

I thought we all understood that's how things work now.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 21, 2023, 11:50:11 PM
The ATF Director, when asked about "assault weapons":

https://twitter.com/i/status/1648385350954262535

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/18/atf-director-admits-hes-no-firearms-expert-and-cant-define-assault-weapon/

Semi-related: Colorado legislation to ban "assault weapons" failed:  https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/assault-weapons-ban-bill-colorado/73-2096e81a-9255-445c-9533-f252d5a5b23a

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on April 22, 2023, 07:48:10 AM
The ATF Director, when asked about "assault weapons":

https://twitter.com/i/status/1648385350954262535

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/18/atf-director-admits-hes-no-firearms-expert-and-cant-define-assault-weapon/
Too bad someone didn't ask him to define "A woman with an assault weapon."   ;)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on April 28, 2023, 03:56:50 PM
Breaking News: IL AWB Blocked!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKffYuV0jZQ

I don't see any articles on this yet. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2023, 05:13:22 PM
Breaking News: IL AWB Blocked!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKffYuV0jZQ

I don't see any articles on this yet.

Federal judge grants injunction against Illinois "assault weapons" and magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/04/28/federal-judge-grants-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapons-and-magazine-ban-n69989
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on April 29, 2023, 08:55:15 AM
The HEAR Act:

https://www.menendez.senate.gov/newsroom/press/sen-menendez-rep-watson-coleman-renew-bicameral-effort-to-outlaw-gun-silencers
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/28/dem-senator-gets-schooled-after-clueless-tweet-about-what-gun-silencers-are-designed-to-suppress/

Holy hell, these people are morons.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on April 29, 2023, 06:53:29 PM
Federal judge grants injunction against Illinois "assault weapons" and magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/04/28/federal-judge-grants-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapons-and-magazine-ban-n69989

Federal District court judge, Stephen McGlynn granted a TEMPORARY injunction that is in effect statewide.  In his opinion, he holds the State's lackluster arguments up and shows their "misrepresentations".  He also opined that the plaintiffs (gun owners) have shown enough evidence that the likelihood of their eventual victory is enough to issue his order.  There will still have to be a trial but the various groups behind this suit have shown evidence of "irreparable harm" with no legal recourse.

Judge McGlynn also took the SA to task as he asked the SA about how long it takes to get a CCP and the SA admitted he didn't really know but that it wasn't as fast as it should be.  And the judge commented how he has been waiting for his since last September !
A well vetted federal judge and even he is getting screwed by IL-ANNOY.
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 04, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Federal judge grants injunction against Illinois "assault weapons" and magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/04/28/federal-judge-grants-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapons-and-magazine-ban-n69989

Never mind

7th court of appeals put a stay on the injunction

 Bad News! Illinois Assault Weapon & Magazine Ban Are Back In Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArq2eqocfU

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2023, 11:43:22 PM
Did NRA Just KILL Constitutional Carry In North Carolina?!
Guns & Gadgets 2nd Amendment News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpOpUjqV-eg

Since when has the NRA been a no-compromise group.  They stealing GOA slogans?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on May 05, 2023, 09:01:38 AM
I really don't expect constitutional carry to go anywhere in NC, the NRA notwithstanding.  The county sheriffs make a pretty good chunk of change off the concealed carry process, and most of them are quite willing to issue permits in a timely fashion.  This keeps that income stream alive.
There are a couple of exceptions of course, like the sheriff of Mecklenburg county.  His department does a good job of dragging its feet and taking months to issue permits.  I suspect that's due to the lefty leanings of Charlotte.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 05, 2023, 09:30:22 AM
When Oklahoma was going for constitutional carry the biggest opposition from the state was the loss of revenue from permit fees.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on May 05, 2023, 09:52:51 AM
I really don't expect constitutional carry to go anywhere in NC, the NRA notwithstanding.  The county sheriffs make a pretty good chunk of change off the concealed carry process, and most of them are quite willing to issue permits in a timely fashion.  This keeps that income stream alive.

That was also the case in my state.  The sherrifs stalled it for years, not wanting to lose their slush funds.  We eventually won; so there is hope.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2023, 09:59:35 AM
When Oklahoma was going for constitutional carry the biggest opposition from the state was the loss of revenue from permit fees.  :facepalm:

Don't forget about the "pro-gun" CCW instructors. Wasn't it Texas where they were a big roadblock?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on May 05, 2023, 10:07:35 AM
Don't forget about the "pro-gun" CCW instructors. Wasn't it Texas where they were a big roadblock?
"I'm pro-gun, but ..."
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on May 05, 2023, 11:33:40 AM
That was also the case in my state.  The sheriffs stalled it for years, not wanting to lose their slush funds.  We eventually won; so there is hope.

It's possible that it could pass some years down the road.  That's assuming NC retains its slender supermajority in the legislature, or picks up a conservative governor.  It's also assuming our Republic lasts long enough.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: 230RN on May 05, 2023, 12:57:15 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 05, 2023, 01:39:20 PM
It's possible that it could pass some years down the road.  That's assuming NC retains its slender supermajority in the legislature, or picks up a conservative governor.  It's also assuming our Republic lasts long enough.

All true. Also, CC has become the expected norm for red states, so there will be continued pressure on Republican pols to get it done.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on May 05, 2023, 05:59:01 PM
Also, CC has become the expected norm for red states, so there will be continued pressure on Republican pols to get it done.

That's a good point, as well.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2023, 11:48:42 AM
Federal judge grants injunction against Illinois "assault weapons" and magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/04/28/federal-judge-grants-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapons-and-magazine-ban-n69989

Never mind

7th court of appeals put a stay on the injunction

 Bad News! Illinois Assault Weapon & Magazine Ban Are Back In Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArq2eqocfU

And if you bought anything during the injunction period

Illinois State Police claims guns bought while "assault weapons" ban was halted are illegal
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/05/09/illinois-state-police-claims-guns-bought-while-assault-weapons-ban-was-halted-are-illegal-n70296
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on May 11, 2023, 04:22:13 PM
That pesky shadow docket could soon have some serious ramifications in the world of a-salt (semi-automatic) weapons.

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The Supreme Court could hand down a decision any day now in National Association for Gun Rights v. City of Naperville, a case that could legalize assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in all 50 states.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/5/9/23716863/supreme-court-assault-rifles-weapons-national-association-gun-rights-naperville-brett-kavanaugh


bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 11, 2023, 04:40:54 PM
I ain't gonna hold my breath on that one.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2023, 02:03:32 PM
IL ban back in the crosshairs

Justice Amy Coney Barrett is reviewing an emergency petition

Illinois' 'assault weapons' ban could be on the chopping block — at least temporarily
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-chopping-block-least-temporarily
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on May 12, 2023, 03:47:31 PM
I think there is a good chance of AW bans being overturned.  It is a direct violation of Bruen.

(At least until a couple of judges get replaced by Democrats.)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 12, 2023, 04:04:38 PM
Federal judge: prohibiting adults 18-20 years old from buying handguns violates the Second Amendment:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/federal-judge-rules-handgun-laws-violate-second-amendment/ar-AA1b4tBH

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 09:16:10 AM
Senator Muphy says Americans will revolt if the SC finds universal background checks unconstitutional.
Sounds like a threat to me.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-warns-popular-revolt-scotus-finds-universal-background-checks-unconstitutional
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on May 15, 2023, 09:28:02 AM
I would love to see them get rid of background checks.  I have my doubts they would do it.  I imagine someone like Thomas would, but I am not sure he would have a majority in that opinion.  Background checks are almost mainstream these days.

Might be easier to put some restrictions on the govt so it can't be used as a ban.  Perhaps force better due process options for those denied.  It would be interesting if a decision on this affected NFA background checks. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 09:31:48 AM
Universal background checks won't work and are generally pointless without registration and they know that. So if they can get universal background checks registration would be the next logical thing they would push for. We must "close the UBC loophole!" and all that.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on May 15, 2023, 09:36:16 AM
Senator Muphy says Americans will revolt if the SC finds universal background checks unconstitutional.
Sounds like a threat to me.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-warns-popular-revolt-scotus-finds-universal-background-checks-unconstitutional

If these anti-gun Americans he claims are on his side revolt, what will they do it with?  Anti-gunners are revolting anyway, but not in the way Murphy thinks.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 09:40:02 AM
If these anti-gun Americans he claims are on his side revolt, what will they do it with?  Anti-gunners are revolting anyway, but not in the way Murphy thinks.

By revolt he means getting in front of a microphone and start screaming
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on May 15, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
Universal background checks won't work and is generally pointless without registration and they know that. So if they can get universal background checks registration would be the next logical thing they would push for. We must "close the UBC loophole!" and all that.

That is why all form 4473s and electronic copies should be destroyed, instead of being stored by the federal government.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 15, 2023, 11:53:58 AM
Senator Muphy says Americans will revolt if the SC finds universal background checks unconstitutional.
Sounds like a threat to me.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-warns-popular-revolt-scotus-finds-universal-background-checks-unconstitutional

Murphy is inciting insurrection.

(hey, if they can say that about Jan. 6 ...)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on May 15, 2023, 02:14:49 PM
Has anyone heard of any ruling on the pistol brace ban?  I believe that grace period is about to run out.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on May 15, 2023, 05:15:23 PM
If these anti-gun Americans he claims are on his side revolt, what will they do it with?  Anti-gunners are revolting anyway, but not in the way Murphy thinks.

AND, being "anti-gun", what will they use against others?  :facepalm:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on May 15, 2023, 05:18:34 PM
By revolt he means getting in front of a microphone and start screaming.

Doesn't the military have some kind of "infra-sound" generator that they can use for "crowd dispersal"?
Considering some of those "biological female" anti-gunners, imagine THAT high pitched scream, amplified and boosted.  OUCH !!
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 09:49:42 PM
Has anyone heard of any ruling on the pistol brace ban?  I believe that grace period is about to run out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YlGq-30nE
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on May 16, 2023, 09:43:09 AM
Town in Vermont trying to get a private gun range shut down.
The legal gymnastics on display here are both funny and scary to watch and after failing to get the range closed for the usual stupid reason the town got their state senator (D of course) to introduce a bill making it a felony to operation a "paramilitary" training camp. They even admitted the bill's intent was to shut down the range. The definition of "paramilitary" is left vague enough to where any firearms training could be considered as such.  The bill passed and was signed into law. Bye bye range.
She starts reading the bill at 06:06

As usual could be more to this but in the meantime here it is

 State Attacks Gun Range as "Antigovernment Training Camp"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-M3seQPVr8
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on May 18, 2023, 01:26:46 PM
In a surprising move (to many) our RINO Governor and former Las Vegas Sheriff who at one time spouted the need for gun control and questioned the need for high (normal) capacity magazines vetoed three anti-gun bills that were sitting on his desk.

One of them would have prevented firearms within 100 ft of an election site. Bottom line it was very ambiguous, what if they put a ballot drop off box at the supermarket. Also it would mean all of the armed voters would have to leave their guns in their vehicles, possibly being stolen as a result.

The balloting one also tightened the definition of "ready frame or receiver (ghost gun).

The second would have prohibited individuals under 21 years of age from owning and possessing certain assault weapons, among others

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1.    A person who is less than 21 years of age shall not  handle
or have in his or her possession or under his or her control any:  (a)  Semiautomatic shotgun; or
 (b)  Semiautomatic centerfire rifle.
  A  person  who  violates  this  subsection  is  guilty  of  a  gross misdemeanor.

It was just bad, no more youth shooting sports including shotgunning like trap or skeet with a semi-auto shotgun.

The third was related to hate crimes, prohibiting a person convicted of a hate crime from owning firearms (buying, etc) for 10 years.

Joe Lombardo ran on a pro 2A platform and surprisingly kept his word on these.

The state legislature is one person away from a super majority. The Dems own the assembly and are one seat short in the Senate. There is still a slim (very slim) chance they could override the veto but so far it doesn't seem like that will happen.

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on May 18, 2023, 02:45:01 PM
. . . The second would have prohibited individuals under 21 years of age from owning and possessing certain assault weapons, among others

It was just bad, no more youth shooting sports including shotgunning like trap or skeet with a semi-auto shotgun.
Did the bill have a grandfather clause if, say, an 18 year old purchased one of the firearms in question a couple of weeks ago?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on May 18, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
Did the bill have a grandfather clause if, say, an 18 year old purchased one of the firearms in question a couple of weeks ago?

It was a Democrat bill, do you think they would do that? I know you had to ask but no, no grandfathering.

They did carve out a military/LEO exception'

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(d)  The person who is less than 21 years of age gained possession of the firearm from a member  of the Armed  Forces  of
the  United  States,  a  reserve  component  thereof  or  the  National Guard  or  a  law  enforcement  officer  while  the  member  or  law enforcement officer was carrying out official duties.
 4.    The  provisions  of  subsection  1  do  not  apply  to  a  person who is less than 21 years of age and who:  (a)  Is  a  member  of  the  Armed  Forces  of  the  United  States,  a
reserve component thereof or the National Guard;
 (b)  Was  discharged  or  released  from  service  in  the  Armed Forces  of  the  United  States,  a  reserve  component  thereof  or  the National Guard under honorable conditions;


bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on May 18, 2023, 11:21:03 PM
It was a Democrat bill, do you think they would do that? I know you had to ask but no, no grandfathering.

They did carve out a military/LEO exception'


bob

That sounds like the AWB Gov. "Jabba" of IL-ANNOY signed in January.
At least one, possibly more, of the lawsuits suing the state is/are based on that "equal protection" disparity.
  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2023, 10:16:08 AM
Say hello to the 28th Amendment

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Today Governor Gavin Newsom proposed a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to enshrine fundamental, broadly supported gun safety measures into law. While leaving the 2nd Amendment unchanged and respecting America’s gun-owning tradition, the Governor’s proposal guarantees common sense constitutional protections and gun safety measures that Democrats, Republicans, independent voters, and gun owners overwhelmingly support – including universal background checks, raising the firearm purchase age to 21, instituting a firearm purchase waiting period, and barring the civilian purchase of assault weapons.

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The 28th Amendment will permanently enshrine four broadly supported gun safety principles into the U.S. Constitution:

    Raising the federal minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21;
    Mandating universal background checks to prevent truly dangerous people from purchasing a gun that could be used in a crime;
    Instituting a reasonable waiting period for all gun purchases; and
    Barring civilian purchase of assault weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time – weapons of war our nation’s founders never foresaw.

Love this self promotion
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“A man of action, Governor Gavin Newsom has the backbone to actually do something about the gun fetish culture around weapons of war, and tackle the relentless problem of gun violence and mass shootings,” said Senator Aisha Wahab. “As someone impacted by gun violence, I have an obligation to elevate the voices of victims and those of us left behind in the wake of tragedy.”

Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to End America’s Gun Violence Crisis
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/06/08/28th-amendment/

Extremely unlikely this will go anywhere but it shows where they would like to take us.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
^^^

Yeah, total showboat move. My tinfoil self tells me that haircut is prepping for a last minute entry into the dem primaries when Joe finally says that he chooses not to run. There's no other reason for haircut to be spending more time on stuff going on outside of California than in California.

While it won't go anywhere, I do wonder about the constitutional legality of an introduced new amendment basically contradicting another amendment.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on June 08, 2023, 10:38:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Newsome is the next President. 

Why in the world is Biden running?  And it looks like the GOP is going to be stupid enough to let Trump lose again. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2023, 11:09:45 AM
^^^

Yeah, total showboat move. My tinfoil self tells me that haircut is prepping for a last minute entry into the dem primaries when Joe finally says that he chooses not to run. There's no other reason for haircut to be spending more time on stuff going on outside of California than in California.

While it won't go anywhere, I do wonder about the constitutional legality of an introduced new amendment basically contradicting another amendment.
On the bold part, the amendments enacting and repealing prohibition are sort of done that way. 

Of course, creating monstrous and unnecessary gray areas seems to be a common political strategy so I wouldn't be surprised if the wording is not at all clear. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 11:45:27 AM
On the bold part, the amendments enacting and repealing prohibition are sort of done that way. 

This is true. I should have specified Bill of Rights, since messing with the foundational unalienable rights is a whole different level, IMO.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 08, 2023, 04:45:39 PM
This is true. I should have specified Bill of Rights, since messing with the foundational unalienable rights is a whole different level, IMO.

I have no doubt that there are a big plenty on the "left", and more than a few on the "right" that would love to eliminate the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th right out of hand.
Imagine how much easier it would be to govern rule a country without those impediments.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on June 08, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
I have no doubt that there are a big plenty on the "left", and more than a few on the "right" that would love to eliminate the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th right out of hand.
Imagine how much easier it would be to govern rule a country without those impediments.
Exactly. Quite a few years back I had a brief discussion with a hoplophobe who wanted the 2nd A repealed. I asked her "OK, once part of the Bill of Rights is repealed, how long do you think it will be until the rest is repealed as well?"

She really didn't like the question.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on June 08, 2023, 09:23:19 PM
Dear Gov Newsom,

Molon labe.

Nothing but love,
Me

Quote from: Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 09:41:55 PM
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Quote from: Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago

This book is highly recommended reading, especially with our currents state (of affairs).
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: French G. on June 09, 2023, 02:21:54 PM
I don’t listen to Newsom much but I heard his speech on this. He’s dangerous. His appearance, personality, and speech are all from Joel Osteen central casting. Except of course he doesn’t believe in a god to sell. But he could easy lead a modern army of religious zealots. The religion of course being that of their own infallibility and historical inevitability.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on June 09, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
To pass a constitutional amendment, the way all since the bill of rights were passed, you need a 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress, and ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures.  So 34 senators, or 146 representatives, or the legislatures of 13 states can deny any proposed amendments. 

In our current climate I’d wager that 45-60 senators would oppose this (most Rs, even RINOs plus some Ds that remember 1994).  Highly unlikely it would even get a simple majority in the House, let alone 2/3 majority.  They might struggle to get even 13 states to ratify.  The left coast, most of New England and mid-Atlantic, Illinois, but that’s probably it.  That coalition could stop an amendment to strengthen the 2A but can’t repeal it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
To pass a constitutional amendment, the way all since the bill of rights were passed, you need a 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress, and ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures.  So 34 senators, or 146 representatives, or the legislatures of 13 states can deny any proposed amendments. 

In our current climate I’d wager that 45-60 senators would oppose this (most Rs, even RINOs plus some Ds that remember 1994).  Highly unlikely it would even get a simple majority in the House, let alone 2/3 majority.  They might struggle to get even 13 states to ratify.  The left coast, most of New England and mid-Atlantic, Illinois, but that’s probably it.  That coalition could stop an amendment to strengthen the 2A but can’t repeal it.

I mean, we just got to 26 states with either permitless or constitutional carry. I can't see those states flipping to antigun anytime soon.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 09, 2023, 07:11:47 PM
To pass a constitutional amendment, the way all since the bill of rights were passed, you need a 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress, and ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures.  So 34 senators, or 146 representatives, or the legislatures of 13 states can deny any proposed amendments. 

In our current climate I’d wager that 45-60 senators would oppose this (most Rs, even RINOs plus some Ds that remember 1994).  Highly unlikely it would even get a simple majority in the House, let alone 2/3 majority.  They might struggle to get even 13 states to ratify.  The left coast, most of New England and mid-Atlantic, Illinois, but that’s probably it.  That coalition could stop an amendment to strengthen the 2A but can’t repeal it.

It doesn't matter how the vote is cast, it matters how the vote is counted.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on June 09, 2023, 07:20:42 PM
We all know repealing the Second Amendment is pointless.  They will just ignore it to death, exactly like they did the 10th Amendment.  The Second Amendment is absolutely meaningless without people willing and able to vote out anti-gun politicians.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on June 09, 2023, 07:42:28 PM
.  The Second Amendment is absolutely meaningless without people willing and able to vote out anti-gun politicians.

Well......there is another way to give the 2nd Amendment meaning, and it relies less on ballot counters.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 17, 2023, 11:44:10 AM
Gets raided by the IRS and they take the 4473s.

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Tom Van Hoose has owned Highwood Creed Outfitters in Great Falls, Montana for 13 years. As he pulled into work Wednesday morning, twenty heavily armed Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division agents swarmed his store. He tells TTAG that the IRS agents, in full battle rattle, had been mustered from as far away as Denver and Idaho to serve a warrant for his financial records.

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The question then is, why would the IRS want customer transaction information? Van Hoose tells us the 4473 forms were not included on the list of financial records specifically listed on the warrant the IRS agents served him during the raid. Yet they took them anyway.

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Concerned about handing over his firearm transaction records, Van Hoose told me he called Kirk Nelson, the ATF Area Supervisor in Helena, Montana with whom he said he’s always had a good working relationship. Nelson initially told him he didn’t have to turn over the 4473 forms as they don’t contain financial information and weren’t listed on the warrant. But after some further discussion with the IRS agents on the scene, Nelson changed his tune and told Van Hoose to hand them over.

The usual Could Be More To This warning applies

IRS Confiscates Tens of Thousands of 4473 Forms From Great Falls, MT Gun Dealer
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/irs-confiscates-tens-of-thousands-of-4473-forms-from-great-falls-mt-gun-dealer/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 17, 2023, 07:14:51 PM
^^^

Regardless if there is more to the story from the "gun store guy screwed up" side, there would still be no valid reason (IANAL) for the IRS to take 4473s. Sure, if the ATF were involved due to firearms violations, he would have to give them up, but the IRS doesn't need them for IRSey stuff.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
Does anyone know if the laws that say the govt can't set up a gun registry; do they specifically target the FBI and ATF?  I wouldn't think so, but I thought I would ask.  Hasn't stopped them anyway.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on June 17, 2023, 10:03:55 PM
Progressive Judge Says Commerce Clause Overrides the Bill of Rights
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/06/progressive-judge-says-commerce-clause-overrides-the-bill-of-rights/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)

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In a recent decision of The United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, in the case Range v Lombardo, on June 6, 2023, the en banc court ruled some felony convictions are not sufficient to restrict Second Amendment rights, based on the historical record. Eleven of 15 judges concurred with the majority opinion.

    Four judges dissented…

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Judge Roth explicitly states the modern expansion of the commerce clause, to include virtually all activity that has any effect on commerce, overrides the Bill of Rights because the scope of modern commerce is far greater than commerce at the founding.

Thankfully this was a dissenting judge and one of just a few.  Some judges are nuts. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on June 18, 2023, 07:50:11 AM
Progressive Judge Says Commerce Clause Overrides the Bill of Rights
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/06/progressive-judge-says-commerce-clause-overrides-the-bill-of-rights/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)

Thankfully this was a dissenting judge and one of just a few.  Some judges are nuts.

Our nation has evolved beyond the need for that pesky constitution.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 18, 2023, 09:00:43 AM
More is coming out on the Montana raid. We probably need to hear more "from the other side" info for more informed discussion, but there's some weird stuff. From Liberty Doll:

https://youtu.be/YNVOc6oWiC0

Local LE was there to provide security for 20 armed feds???
The IRS took the 4473s but took no financial documents???


EDIT: Also, an interesting comment I saw: The IRS took the 4473s for tax related reasons. Specifically for people with braced pistols who did not register them and get the tax stamp.

EDIT2: For clarity, the comment was suggesting that, not stating it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 18, 2023, 09:49:12 AM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on June 18, 2023, 10:23:27 AM
EDIT: Also, an interesting comment I saw: The IRS took the 4473s for tax related reasons. Specifically for people with braced pistols who did not register them and get the tax stamp.

Interesting possibility.  Could be the feds are ginning up some cases to scare folks into complying with the new rules.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on June 18, 2023, 12:08:28 PM
Not quite as tin foil hatty but could it be possible the 4473s were taken to cross reference to what he says he sold and what he paid taxes on? If he sold "x" number of guns ad his tax payments only support .75 of "x" it could be a way to lend credence to the governments accusation that he was evading taxes.

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on June 18, 2023, 12:48:37 PM
At the risk of breaking up a good conspiracy theory,  wouldn't the 4473's be useful for determining the type of weapon sold?

That could then be cross referenced with sales receipts to prove or disprove the correct federal excise tax was paid, which would concern the Revenuers.


I would have gone for the bound book(s), but the IRS might not be aware of the intricacies of gun dealing paperwork, and were told about 4473's by someone else.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on June 18, 2023, 01:14:47 PM
At the risk of breaking up a good conspiracy theory,  wouldn't the 4473's be useful for determining the type of weapon sold?

That could then be cross referenced with sales receipts to prove or disprove the correct federal excise tax was paid, which would concern the Revenuers.


I would have gone for the bound book(s), but the IRS might not be aware of the intricacies of gun dealing paperwork, and were told about 4473's by someone else.

I'm willing to go the non-conspiracy route, but do not like the idea of the IRS getting involved in 4473s. Before you know it, the EPA will be asking for them so they can do searches for "guns that shoot lead bullets". The ATF making lists is bad enough.

Also, and it needs to be confirmed - if the IRS took ONLY 4473s, then what are they cross-referencing with?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on June 18, 2023, 04:29:55 PM
I'm willing to go the non-conspiracy route, but do not like the idea of the IRS getting involved in 4473s. Before you know it, the EPA will be asking for them so they can do searches for "guns that shoot lead bullets". The ATF making lists is bad enough.

Also, and it needs to be confirmed - if the IRS took ONLY 4473s, then what are they cross-referencing with?

I assume the seller fills out some IRS form that says some version of "Isold x pistols for $zzz, and y rifles for $aaa, and my excise tax owed is $ccc" 

Probably quarterly?, when they pay payroll taxes and the like.

Also, just in case it's not explicit from my other posts, I agree I don't like the IRS involved.  The whole agency can get sucked into a portal to Hel  and I would rejoice.

I'm only pointing out that there's a pretty obvious reason the IRS might want to know how many and what kind of guns a place sold, and it's unlikely to be a prelude to door to door checks.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on June 18, 2023, 07:50:20 PM
I assume the seller fills out some IRS form that says some version of "Isold x pistols for $zzz, and y rifles for $aaa, and my excise tax owed is $ccc" 

Probably quarterly?, when they pay payroll taxes and the like.

Also, just in case it's not explicit from my other posts, I agree I don't like the IRS involved.  The whole agency can get sucked into a portal to Hel  and I would rejoice.

I'm only pointing out that there's a pretty obvious reason the IRS might want to know how many and what kind of guns a place sold, and it's unlikely to be a prelude to door to door checks.
And here I thought excise taxes were collected upstream in the product chain - at the manufacturer level. I didn't know they were collected at the end of the sales chain and paid by the FFL.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2023, 08:11:16 PM
That is what I was thinking.  I seem to remember paying that was one of the costs mentioned by a gun company that went out of business. 

I see Montana only has local sales tax.  Here in Texas, the state revenuers will react pretty quick if a business doesn't pay in the sales tax they collect. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on June 18, 2023, 09:38:29 PM
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There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:

Articles taxable at 10 percent—
Pistols.
Revolvers.

Articles taxable at 11 percent—
Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
Shells, and cartridges.

(Aug. 16, 1954, ch. 736, 68A Stat. 490.)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 21, 2023, 09:36:39 PM
More Biden on guns

The NRA passed a law that says you can't sue them.
The AR-15 is the cheapest gun to make
The 2A says there are certain weapons you can't own.

Biden tries to rewrite the Second Amendment (and U.S. history)
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/06/21/biden-tries-to-rewrite-the-second-amendment-and-u-s-history-n71770
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on June 22, 2023, 12:10:54 AM
More Biden on guns

The NRA passed a law that says you can't sue them.
The AR-15 is the cheapest gun to make
The 2A says there are certain weapons you can't own.

Biden tries to rewrite the Second Amendment (and U.S. history)
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/06/21/biden-tries-to-rewrite-the-second-amendment-and-u-s-history-n71770

Well, what else would you expect from a "brain dead liar"?  ;/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 23, 2023, 11:02:59 PM
In case anyone was considering voting for Robert Kennedy Jr.:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzVfqPtXoAYQC20?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 23, 2023, 11:05:41 PM
"The NRA is a terror idiot group"

Fixed it for him
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on June 24, 2023, 04:12:15 PM
In case anyone was considering voting for Robert Kennedy Jr.:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzVfqPtXoAYQC20?format=png&name=small)

You needed to use the "url" tags instead.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzVfqPtXoAYQC20?format=png&name=small (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzVfqPtXoAYQC20?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on June 29, 2023, 07:09:15 PM
In case anyone was considering voting for Robert Kennedy Jr.:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzVfqPtXoAYQC20?format=png&name=small)

Don't worry about it

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“Anybody who tells you that they’re going to be able to reduce gun violence through gun control at this point I don’t think is being realistic,” Kennedy added.
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Kennedy said that he would get behind a bipartisan assault weapons ban, which the overwhelming majority of Democrats support

RFK Jr: Gun control won't reduce gun violence... but let's ban "assault weapons" anyway
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/06/29/rfk-jr-gun-control-n72068
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on June 30, 2023, 10:26:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKs33ObbYg
 BREAKING NEWS: ATF's Frame/Receiver Rule VACATED!!!
Guns & Gadgets 2nd Amendment News

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 30, 2023, 11:27:09 PM
My bet is that in less than 72 hours the ATF will have a puppet judge issue an injunction against this ruling and the game starts another inning.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on July 01, 2023, 08:41:41 AM
My bet is that in less than 72 hours the ATF will have a puppet judge issue an injunction against this ruling and the game starts another inning.
I believe they would have to go higher so at least a 3 judge panel at the court of appeals.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ron on July 01, 2023, 09:32:59 AM
Our seemingly incoherent rulers have been letting the population arm up and get armed to the teeth before they declare war on the same group.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on July 01, 2023, 01:12:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjw221ixpA
 This Is Good! Federal Judge DESTROYS ATF!
Guns & Gadgets 2nd Amendment News


Guns and Gadgets talks about the language in the decision since the text is out now. 

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6573/attachments/original/1688171832/VanDerStok_v_Garland_227_Opinion.pdf?1688171832
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on July 02, 2023, 11:15:14 PM
Incredible !  Thanks for posting MechAg !  :rofl:  =D
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on July 04, 2023, 08:53:06 AM
This could have gone in either of two threads here.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/amy/2023/07/03/billy-baldwin-reminded-that-floridians-are-safer-under-new-gun-law-than-on-a-movie-set-with-brother-alec-n2385067
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKs33ObbYg
 BREAKING NEWS: ATF's Frame/Receiver Rule VACATED!!!
Guns & Gadgets 2nd Amendment News



And right on the heels of that and the Philly shooting that they're hinting involved a "ghost" gun.

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According to the lawsuit, Polymer80 Inc. and JSD Supply intentionally undermine federal and state firearms laws by designing, manufacturing, selling and providing ghost gun kits and parts to buyers who do not undergo a background check. Claiming that their products are not firearms, these distributors sell ghost gun kits that are used to assemble a functioning firearm with household tools to Philadelphia customers without following applicable firearm regulations. Ghost gun kits are also widely available for purchase without background checks at gun shows frequently held a short drive from Philadelphia’s city limits.

 City of Philadelphia Sues Primary Distributors of Ghost Guns, Polymer80, Inc. and JSD Supply
https://www.phila.gov/2023-07-05-city-of-philadelphia-sues-primary-distributors-of-ghost-guns-polymer80-inc-and-jsd-supply/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on July 06, 2023, 09:51:31 PM
And the Philly mayor is claiming that ghost guns can't be detected by a magnetometer.
Don't you love it when a politician shows his lack of knowledge and stupidity so blatantly?
  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on July 10, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
6 people are dead after a stabbing at a Chinese kindergarten
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/10/1186715800/6-people-are-dead-after-a-stabbing-at-a-chinese-kindergarten

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A tragedy in China. A man there attacked a kindergarten, killing a teacher, two parents and three children. Police say the attacker is in custody, but they haven't released a motive yet for the killings.

Just a link to save as a reminder to gun grabbers.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2023, 07:04:52 AM
Indianapolis going rouge
Mayor and the council are thumbing their noses at the state's preemption law. Be interesting to see if they try to enforce this.

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The Indianapolis City-County Council passed a proposed gun control measure by a vote of 18 to five Monday evening.

Introduced by Mayor Joe Hogsett as part of his public safety plan, Proposal 156 was initially approved nine to four by the city's Public Safety and Criminal Justice Committee.

The ordinance increases the age required to purchase a gun in the city to 21 years old, bans "assault rifles" within city limits and mandates a license to carry.

Indianapolis city council votes in favor of banning 'assault' rifles, removing concealed carry
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/indianapolis-city-council-votes-favor-banning-assault-rifles-removing-concealed-carry

Looks like zero grandfathering

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(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter or the Revised Code, it shall be unlawful in
Marion County to buy, sell, possess, display, carry, brandish, or discharge a semiautomatic assault weapon,
as that term is defined in the proposed federal Assault Weapons Ban of 2023 (S.25), Section 2(a), as
introduced in the United States Senate on January 23, 2023

CITY COUNTY COUNCIL PROPOSAL NO. 156, 2023
CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS-MARION COUNTY, INDIANA
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/PROP23-156.pdf
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2023, 07:13:47 AM
Delete, duplicate post
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2023, 08:34:15 AM
6 people are dead after a stabbing at a Chinese kindergarten
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/10/1186715800/6-people-are-dead-after-a-stabbing-at-a-chinese-kindergarten

Just a link to save as a reminder to gun grabbers.

School attacks are not all that rare in China

School attacks in China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 14, 2023, 09:19:48 PM
Massachusetts Democrats race to ram anti-gun bill into law before August recess
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/07/14/massachusetts-democrats-race-to-ram-anti-gun-bill-into-law-before-august-recess-n72599

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Here are just a few of the unconstitutional provisions contained within HD 4420’s 140 pages of infringements, according to GOAL.
    Essentially bans hunting on private property
    Bans anyone under 15 from training or shooting sports
    Mandatory serialization and registration of all feeding devices not just magazines
    Massive training requirements that include things like active shooter training
    Any changes or repairs to a gun must be approved by the state
    A semi-auto turkey gun with a pistol grip will be an Assault Weapon
    No one under 21 can purchase any semi-auto gun of any kind or caliber
    The definition of “Firearm” would mean any gun, frame, receiver or barrel
    In order to carry or transport any gun, property owners must post that they consent to allow guns on their property


Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2023, 06:40:28 AM
Meanwhile in Oregon a judge twists Heller into a pretzel

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    LEGAL ALERT: An Oregon federal judge has upheld Measure 114's gun permit requirement and magazine ban, saying that they "are not commonly used for self-defense, and are therefore not protected by the Second Amendment." You can read the opinion here: https://t.co/RxrNOTkPHb
    — Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) July 14, 2023

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    That judge is a moron and needs to be disbarred.

    The HELLER decision does not say "in common use in Self-Defense". It states "in lawful common use". Which means that this should be over-turned at the Appellate level, but likely will head to SCOTUS.
    — NH/Wynter/FTW (@WynterythTX) July 14, 2023

'Heller', no! Oregon federal judge upholds 'Measure 114' STOMPING on 2A rights
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/07/14/measure-114-oregon-federal-judge-upheld-n2385417
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2023, 08:42:39 AM
^^^

I was just coming here to post that, and add this:

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“The Second Amendment also allows governments to ensure that only law-abiding, responsible citizens keep and bear arms.”

I'm thinking that even the 9th will overturn this ruling. In the meantime, I'm so confused about what's going on in OR, that I'm carrying a 1911 when I go there now because of magazine capacity. I could buy a ten round mag for any of the guns I normally carry, but that just sticks in my craw. The sheriff in the county I generally go to for shopping is adamantly not enforcing the law, but I still have to potentially worry about the random State Trooper who just got transferred from Portland.


EDIT: Appointed by Trump. Yikes.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2023, 09:18:23 AM
Guns and Gadgets has picked up the story
He's like WTF?

BIG LOSS for the 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3XLDQVI2ws
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on July 15, 2023, 09:25:13 AM
Here's a question: Can the Supreme Court impose contempt-of-court sanctions on lower level judges (or anyone else) who violates their decisions?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on July 15, 2023, 09:45:44 AM
Here's a question: Can the Supreme Court impose contempt-of-court sanctions on lower level judges (or anyone else) who violates their decisions?

Doubtful.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on July 15, 2023, 03:31:52 PM
With all the anti gun bills and lawsuits nationwide and all the discrepancy, I gotta think SC would have to get involved pretty soon.

Does anyone here expect that to happen?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on July 15, 2023, 06:21:21 PM

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Quote from: Kingcreek on March 04, 2023, 05:05:07 AM
     With all the anti gun bills and lawsuits nationwide and all the discrepancy, I gotta think SC would have to get involved pretty soon.

Does anyone here expect that to happen?
If lower lever Federal courts from different districts issue conflicting decisions, it's likely - not certain, but likely - that the Supreme Court will feel compelled to wade in and resolve those conflicts.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 15, 2023, 09:38:56 PM
Here's a question: Can the Supreme Court impose contempt-of-court sanctions on lower level judges (or anyone else) who violates their decisions?

They've made their ruling. Now, let's see them enforce it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on July 15, 2023, 11:09:20 PM
Meanwhile in Oregon a judge twists Heller into a pretzel


Oh look, my favorite dead horse.

We all know the "common use" test is a fiction invented in Heller to allow bans of machine guns.

All case law about "what weapons are protected?" in the founding era through reconstruction era (and even through Miller) specifically said military weapons are protected.  No one suggested otherwise.

This fact is extensively documented here:
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2825&context=lawreview
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 17, 2023, 07:54:29 AM
FFLs revoked by computer algorithm with zero human input.
Like a Star Trek episode where they land on a planet run by computer.

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Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses the new case, from Gun Owners of America, in the matter of Morehouse Enterprises v. ATF.  This is a lawsuit to stop ATF's new zero tolerance policy as it relates to FFLs and their ongoing warfare against the entire industry. Today we dive deeper into this case to see all the changes that ATF has made to their Administrative Action Policy (AAP) that not only permit ATF to revoke licenses from reputable FFLs and actually, mandates revocation in literally every case.  This is how the Biden Administration plans to implement civilian disarmament. So, learn more and arm yourself with education today.


How the ATF Could Literally Shut Down Any Gun Store in America Right Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFem_HgV6U
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 17, 2023, 08:45:12 AM
Massachusetts Democrats race to ram anti-gun bill into law before August recess
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/07/14/massachusetts-democrats-race-to-ram-anti-gun-bill-into-law-before-august-recess-n72599

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Here are just a few of the unconstitutional provisions contained within HD 4420’s 140 pages of infringements, according to GOAL.
    Essentially bans hunting on private property
    Bans anyone under 15 from training or shooting sports
    Mandatory serialization and registration of all feeding devices not just magazines
    Massive training requirements that include things like active shooter training
    Any changes or repairs to a gun must be approved by the state
    A semi-auto turkey gun with a pistol grip will be an Assault Weapon
    No one under 21 can purchase any semi-auto gun of any kind or caliber
    The definition of “Firearm” would mean any gun, frame, receiver or barrel
    In order to carry or transport any gun, property owners must post that they consent to allow guns on their property

More on the above

Love the name they attached to the bill "An Act modernizing firearm laws "

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD4420

And they're pushing it though as fast as possible

ALERT: Democrats RUSHING To Force Worst Gun Bill Ever Into Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV1lu01v52c


Some of the text of the bill concerning what is an "assault style firarm" , full bill is linked to from the above bill link

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''Assault-style firearm'', any firearm which is:

(a) A semiautomatic rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes any of the following features: (i) a folding, telescopic, thumbhole or detachable stock or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size and other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of the weapon; (ii) a pistol grip, forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a threaded barrel or (iv) a barrel shroud.

(b) A semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes any of the following features: (i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a threaded barrel; (iv) a barrel shroud; (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded; or (vi) a buffer tube, stabilizing brace or similar component that protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip, and is designed or redesigned to allow or facilitate a firearm to be fired from the shoulder.

(c) A semiautomatic shotgun with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes any of the following features: (i) a folding, telescopic or detachable stock; (ii) a pistol grip or bird’s head grip; or (iii) a forward grip.

(d) The semiautomatic version of any fully automatic firearm.

(e) Any firearm listed on the assault-style firearm roster created pursuant to section 128A.

(f) All of the following rifles:

(i) All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10 and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS and SKS with a detachable feeding device;

(ii) All AR types, including the following: AR-10, AR-15, Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR-70, Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles, Colt Match Target rifles, CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles, Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles, Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles, Diamondback DB15 rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical rifles, DSA Inc. ZM-4 Carbine, Heckler & Koch MR556, High Standard HSA-15 rifles, Jesse James Nomad AR-15 rifles, Knight’s Armament SR-15, Lancer L15 rifles, MGI Hydra Series rifles, Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles, Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle, Olympic Arms, POF USA P415, Precision Firearms AR rifles, Remington R-15 rifles, Rhino Arms AR rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR-556 rifles, Uselton Arms Air-Lite M-4 rifles, Windham Weaponry AR rifles, WMD Guns Big Beast, Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM-15 rifles;

(iii) Barrett M107A1 and M82A1;

(iv) Beretta CX4 Storm;

(v) Calico Liberty Series;

(vi) CETME Sporter;

(vii) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100 and AR 110C;

(viii) Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR and FS2000;

(ix) Feather Industries AT-9;

(x) Galil Model AR and Model ARM;

(xi) Hi-Point Carbine;

(xii) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and HK USC;

(xiii) IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle;

(xiv) Kel-Tec Sub 2000, SU-16 and RFB;

(xv) SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551 and SIG MCX;

(xvi) Springfield Armory SAR-48;

(xvii) Steyr AUG;

(xviii) Storm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M-14/20CF;

(xix) All Thompson rifles, including the following: M1SB, T1100D, T150D, T1B, T1B100D, T1B50D, T1BSB, T1-C, T1D, T1SB, T5, T5100D, TM1, TM1C;

(xx) UMAREX UZI rifle;

(xxi) UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine and UZI Model B Carbine;

(xxii) Valmet M62S, M71S and M78;

(xxiii) Vector Arms UZI Type;

(xxiv) Weaver Arms Nighthawk; and

(xxv) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

(g) All of the following pistols:

(i) All AK types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, CZ Scorpion pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol, HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol, PAP M92 pistol and Yugo Krebs Krink pistol;

(ii) All AR types, including the following: American Spirit AR-15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II, CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol, Daniel Defense MK18 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol, Jesse James Nomad AR-15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol, Osprey Armament MK-18 pistol, POF USA AR pistols, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol and Uselton Arms Air-Lite M-4 pistol;

(iii) Calico pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP-9 and MP-45;

(iv) Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol;

(v) Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9 and TEC-DC9;

(vi) IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol

(vii) Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol;

(viii) All MAC types, including the following: MAC-10, MAC-11, Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol, Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11 and Velocity Arms VMAC;

(ix) Sig Sauer P556 pistol;

(x) Sites Spectre;

(xi) All Thompson types, including the following: TA510D and TA5;

(xii) All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

(h) All of the following shotguns:

(i) DERYA Anakon MC-1980, Anakon SD12;

(ii) Doruk Lethal shotguns;

(iii) Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12;

(iv) All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: Saiga 12, Saiga 12S, Saiga 12S EXP-01, Saiga 12K, Saiga 12K-030, Saiga 12K-040 Taktika;

(v) Streetsweeper; and

(vi) Striker 12.

(i) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

(j) All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB and FN M2495.

(k) a copy or duplicate of any firearm listed or meeting the standards of sections (a) to (f), inclusive, that was manufactured or subsequently configured with an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and:  (i) its internal functional components are substantially similar in construction and configuration to those of an enumerated weapon; or  (ii) it has a receiver that is the same as or interchangeable with the receiver of an enumerated weapon.   
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on July 17, 2023, 08:53:13 AM
Entertainingly in their furver to be so specific, they left out a bunch of semi auto rifles that could be easily made to conform with that law. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 17, 2023, 09:42:11 AM
So I guess M1 Carbines are okay?
But you would have to have the magazines serialized and registered and any over 10 rd turned in.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on July 17, 2023, 09:47:30 AM
Wow, WTH?

Section 125C. License to sell firearms; transfers restricted to firearm wholesalers; punishment

(a) No licensee may sell, rent, lease or otherwise transfer any firearm described in this section except to a business entity that is primarily a firearm wholesaler, and such transfer must, by its terms, prohibit the purchaser from reselling such firearm to a firearm retailer or consumer in the commonwealth.

(b) The firearm has a frame, barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock that is composed of (A) any metal having a melting point of less than 900 degrees Fahrenheit; (B) any metal having an ultimate tensile strength of less than 55,000 pounds per square inch; or (C) any powdered metal having a density of less than 7.5 grams per cubic centimeter. This clause shall not apply to any make and model of a firearm for which a sample of 3 firearms in new condition all pass the following test: each of the 3 samples shall fire 600 rounds, stopping every 100 rounds to tighten any loose screws and to clean the gun if required by the cleaning schedule in the user manual, and as needed to refill the empty magazine or cylinder to capacity before continuing. For any firearm that is loaded in a manner other than via a detachable magazine, the tester shall also pause every 50 rounds for ten minutes. The ammunition used shall be the type recommended by the firearm manufacturer in its user manual or, if none is recommended, any standard of ammunition of the correct caliber in new condition. A firearm shall pass this test if it fires the first 20 rounds without a malfunction, fires the full 600 rounds with not more than 6 malfunctions and completes the test without any crack or breakage of an operating part of the firearm that does not increase the danger of injury to the user. For purposes of this clause “malfunction” shall mean any failure to feed, chamber, fire, extract or eject a round or any failure to accept or eject a magazine or any other failure which prevents the firearm, without manual intervention beyond that needed for routine firing and periodic reloading, from firing the chambered round or moving a new round into position so that the firearm is capable of firing the new round properly. This shall not include a misfire caused by a faulty cartridge the primer of which fails to detonate when properly struck by the firearm’s firing mechanism. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on July 17, 2023, 09:59:37 AM
So I guess M1 Carbines are okay?
But you would have to have the magazines serialized and registered and any over 10 rd turned in.


If one were willing to remove the threads from the barrel, a trivially easy thing to do, most of the newer Bullpups could squeak in since bullpups normally don't have a telescoping/folding stock. Keltec RDB, Springfield Hellion, Desertech MDR.  Looks like a PSL and most of the SVD variants could squeak in.  They completely *expletive deleted*it on PSA so a fixed stock Jakl is in. Also a BRN-180.  The Foxtrot Mike piston guns.  I could probably go on for a while.


Don't get me wrong, I think the whole thing should be quashed soonest, I'm just entertained that in their zeal and ignorance combined they built a law that manages to be simultaneously onerous and restrictive and ineffectual at it's goals.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on July 17, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Wow, WTH?

Section 125C. License to sell firearms; transfers restricted to firearm wholesalers; punishment

(a) No licensee may sell, rent, lease or otherwise transfer any firearm described in this section except to a business entity that is primarily a firearm wholesaler, and such transfer must, by its terms, prohibit the purchaser from reselling such firearm to a firearm retailer or consumer in the commonwealth.

(b) The firearm has a frame, barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock that is composed of (A) any metal having a melting point of less than 900 degrees Fahrenheit; (B) any metal having an ultimate tensile strength of less than 55,000 pounds per square inch; or (C) any powdered metal having a density of less than 7.5 grams per cubic centimeter. This clause shall not apply to any make and model of a firearm for which a sample of 3 firearms in new condition all pass the following test: each of the 3 samples shall fire 600 rounds, stopping every 100 rounds to tighten any loose screws and to clean the gun if required by the cleaning schedule in the user manual, and as needed to refill the empty magazine or cylinder to capacity before continuing. For any firearm that is loaded in a manner other than via a detachable magazine, the tester shall also pause every 50 rounds for ten minutes. The ammunition used shall be the type recommended by the firearm manufacturer in its user manual or, if none is recommended, any standard of ammunition of the correct caliber in new condition. A firearm shall pass this test if it fires the first 20 rounds without a malfunction, fires the full 600 rounds with not more than 6 malfunctions and completes the test without any crack or breakage of an operating part of the firearm that does not increase the danger of injury to the user. For purposes of this clause “malfunction” shall mean any failure to feed, chamber, fire, extract or eject a round or any failure to accept or eject a magazine or any other failure which prevents the firearm, without manual intervention beyond that needed for routine firing and periodic reloading, from firing the chambered round or moving a new round into position so that the firearm is capable of firing the new round properly. This shall not include a misfire caused by a faulty cartridge the primer of which fails to detonate when properly struck by the firearm’s firing mechanism.

That's the old anti "Saturday Night Special"/Jennings/Bryco/Raven guns.  If you outlaw all the cheap guns those nasty poors and high melanin folks are less likely to get the guns, while their betters can still buy Colts and Smiths.  The NE liberals have loved those laws since the '70s.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on July 17, 2023, 10:25:14 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole thing should be quashed soonest, I'm just entertained that in their zeal and ignorance combined they built a law that manages to be simultaneously onerous and restrictive and ineffectual at it's goals.

One interesting side note from when CA was passing all their crazy laws was the engineering innovations that happened, sometimes within a couple of days of the law passing, to bypass the poorly written legal language.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 02, 2023, 08:01:01 AM
This just  popped up
Haven't had a chance to watch yet. Not seeing anything in text yet.

BREAKING: 5th Circuit Rules ATF’s Pistol Brace Rule UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbKDXL0P8Y
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on August 02, 2023, 09:45:07 AM
One interesting side note from when CA was passing all their crazy laws was the engineering innovations that happened, sometimes within a couple of days of the law passing, to bypass the poorly written legal language.

The .408 Cheytac came from that I think?  Turned out to be superior to the .50bmg as I recall.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HeroHog on August 02, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
YES!
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 02, 2023, 10:22:48 AM
This just  popped up
Haven't had a chance to watch yet. Not seeing anything in text yet.

BREAKING: 5th Circuit Rules ATF’s Pistol Brace Rule UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbKDXL0P8Y

Again- They've made their ruling, now let's see them enforce it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2023, 08:35:30 AM
Guns bad
Hacking people into pieces with light sabers good.

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    I’m glad the new Star Wars series is choosing to unsubscribe from a culture that glorifies gun ownership. Lightsabers all the way and may the force be with you. 🌌https://t.co/34iSMYqZqV

    — Kris Brown | President, bradyunited.org (@KrisB_Brown) August 3, 2023

The Farce is with her: Brady's Kris Brown beclowns herself over Star Wars tweet
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/08/04/kris-brown-star-wars-n73248
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
They're trying this again

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More than two dozen House Democrats put forward legislation Friday that would slap "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines with a 1,000% excise tax, a change that would raise the price of a $500 weapon to $5,000 in a bid to reduce access to guns across the country.

Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va., and 24 other House Democrats introduced the legislation Friday. It’s the second time Democrats have put forward the idea.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-demand-1000-excise-tax-assault-weapons-high-capacity-magazines
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Devonai on August 06, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
If I was a dealer I would run sales like "buy a Streamlight tactical flashlight and get an AR-15 for $0.01!"
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on August 06, 2023, 09:37:02 AM
If I was a dealer I would run sales like "buy a Streamlight tactical flashlight and get an AR-15 for $0.01!"
Excise taxes would probably be collected upstream from the dealer at the manufacturer level. This would shut down every manufacturer that didn't primarily sell to the government.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on August 06, 2023, 07:36:17 PM
Ah yes, the same old "Let's make 80%s Great Again" law.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on August 06, 2023, 07:41:22 PM
Ah yes, the same old "Let's make 80%s Great Again" law.

And then states like WA make 80%’s illegal.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on August 06, 2023, 07:56:45 PM
And then states like WA make 80%’s illegal.

They sure try.  Reading WA States SB 1240, there would be pretty easy to at least tie it up in courts over the whole "readily convertible" thing as that is not going to be precise enough to pass constitutional muster.  the " is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as the frame or receiver"* thing could be harder to get around, but the CA guys are pretty creative.  It's moot until you get rid of WA's Assault Weapons ban though.  Gotta take the battles in order.

*Reading that bill, it would be awesome to find some super common things that libs like, iPhones for example, and make a kit to turn them into a firearm and market the phone as an unfinished receiver.  Get them to ban the sale of things they like.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 08, 2023, 08:23:46 AM
The usual found on the internet warnings apply

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President Joe Biden plans to announce that he is directing the ATF to close what Everytown calls the “private sales loophole” and the “digital loophole.” The “private sales loophole” is when an individual sells a firearm for profit but does not possess a Federal Firearm License (FFL).

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Biden will call on the ATF to develop a new rule requiring anyone who makes any profit by selling firearms to possess an FFL. Guns tend to increase in value over time. A gun purchased in 1980 will likely sell for more money today than its original value.

New Leak Shows ATF Will Pass Rule to Eliminate Private Sales
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/08/new-leak-shows-atf-will-pass-rule-to-eliminate-private-sales/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 08, 2023, 09:36:13 AM
I have heard some rumors about that the last couple days.  Heard at one point it was a rule about profiting from gun sales, then there was be something about limiting the number of guns a non-FFL could sell per year (5?).  I haven't listened to all the news stuff though.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on August 08, 2023, 10:02:23 AM
Speculation I've seen is that sale of any gun at a profit would be "engaging in the business."

Seems as if it would be nearly impossible to prove in cash transactions or trades - I don't think .gov has any records of prices paid.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 08, 2023, 11:13:21 AM
The usual found on the internet warnings apply


New Leak Shows ATF Will Pass Rule to Eliminate Private Sales
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/08/new-leak-shows-atf-will-pass-rule-to-eliminate-private-sales/

Let me say this about that:

This bureaucracy called the ATF, along with the Biden administration, are doing their best it seems to make revolution necessary. Congress and the Court need to step up to the plate, reign these people in, and make revolution unnecessary. That, after all, is what the people in our government are supposed to do. Those people were elected to protect our rights, not their power and position.

It is said that the power of our government is divided into three branches. In reality, there are four branches to our government.  We the People comprise the first branch, Congress the second branch, the Executive the third, and the Judiciary the fourth. Why are we first? Because We the People have rights, the other three only have powers delegated to them derived from our rights. We have the right to cut them off if and when any of those other three branches fail in their duties or attempt to become dictatorial, tyrannical, or even despotic in an attempt to usurp our rights and subjugate us.

The three branches of government We the People created via the Constitution were designed to keep each other of them in check and in compliance with the Constitution as We the People so dictated. If those branches, any or all of them, run afoul of the Constitution, We the People have the final say - our exclusive right - as to how to set things back on track. We have the power to replace the errant people in government with the power of our votes, and if that fails, we have the right to use arms to effect our constitutional order.

Even if those in government feel they are exercising some ethereal power to keep us free from harm by disarming us, maybe have no intention of subjugating us or becoming some sort of tyrannical dictator, they would make us vulnerable to anyone else who would have those desires. That would make them no less despotic as those to whom they would make us vulnerable. Whether their actions be an end or create the opportunity for an unintended consequence, We the People need to wake up, put our foot down, and stand ready with our arms to assure our freedom. Our arms are the only guarantee that freedom will reign.

As I often say, "Knowing the past, I will not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future."

Woody
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 08, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
Speculation I've seen is that sale of any gun at a profit would be "engaging in the business."

Seems as if it would be nearly impossible to prove in cash transactions or trades - I don't think .gov has any records of prices paid.
Last time I sold a few guns, they could have looked at my text messages.  That is about the only record if no receipt was done.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on August 08, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
Given the ATF's recent track record for litigating their new rules, I kind of look forward to seeing "Engaged in the Business" as a term dragged into the courts and given a definition.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on August 08, 2023, 12:40:42 PM
Speculation I've seen is that sale of any gun at a profit would be "engaging in the business."

Seems as if it would be nearly impossible to prove in cash transactions or trades - I don't think .gov has any records of prices paid.



If you don’t have a receipt they’ll just say your cost basis was $0.  They’ll do that both for tax purposes and to say you’re “engaging in the business” of selling firearms for profit.  SCOTUS might strike that down.  A decade and untold harm later.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 08, 2023, 12:57:47 PM
Speculation I've seen is that sale of any gun at a profit would be "engaging in the business."

***

It isn't "engaging in the business" if you are simply cashing in on your capitol gains. What would be the difference between selling a personal gun and trading in your stocks and bonds?

Woody
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 08, 2023, 01:29:58 PM
SC allows the Frame and Receiver rule to remain in effect while the trial continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brznPgxezlM
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on August 08, 2023, 02:22:15 PM
It isn't "engaging in the business" if you are simply cashing in on your capitol gains. What would be the difference between selling a personal gun and trading in your stocks and bonds?
The likelihood of the IRS getting a cut?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on August 08, 2023, 05:09:48 PM
SC allows the Frame and Receiver rule to remain in effect while the trial continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brznPgxezlM

This is getting tiresome.   :mad:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HeroHog on August 09, 2023, 01:47:19 AM
I have a 9mm G19, a .38 S&W Model 36, and a Colt .25 acp all within reach, with full mags/cylinders and one in the hot hole. FAAFO.

There's still dad's S&W Model 10-8 in the safe with 2 speedloaders should I melt the other 3 down.

We will do our fighting from inside our house/car (if bugging out) but we are NOT going down like sheep! And YES, PinkPigParts is 100% on board.

:old:  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 09, 2023, 09:36:12 AM
It isn't "engaging in the business" if you are simply cashing in on your capitol gains. What would be the difference between selling a personal gun and trading in your stocks and bonds?

Woody
Yeah, I am not sure I profited on the guns I sold.  I was just happy to get close to what I paid for them.  The few that got a little more I had owned for over 10 years so I figure inflation counts.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 09, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Yeah, I am not sure I profited on the guns I sold.  I was just happy to get close to what I paid for them.  The few that got a little more I had owned for over 10 years so I figure inflation counts.

The only guns I have ever profited on, and admittedly it was a good profit, have been my milsurps, which I bought for a hundred or two, held for more than ten years, then sold for around four times their purchase price.

I'm pretty sure that I have taken a loss on every modern gun I have ever sold. That's mostly selling guns I didn't like not long after I had them. I'm sure if I sell the Super Blackhawk I bought for $190 in 1978, I can get a might more for that one now.  =)

Though when I sold my G23 (bought in ~1995),  via consignment a couple of years ago, I still took a loss on that one.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on August 11, 2023, 12:02:32 AM
Ben, I have an Astra Constable in .380 that I bought in 1975 when I traded (stupidly) my Ruger .22LR pistol with a 7.5" barrel.  It's an all steel gun but it has been so long that I don't remember its original cost.  I recently had to pay about $120 to get it repaired when somebody on a forum spotted that it was missing the extractor & other parts.
It is unlikely that I would be able to recover my "costs" if I were to sell this gun.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: bedlamite on August 11, 2023, 01:33:42 AM
Red flag introduced in WI. Fortunately we are 2/3 R in both houses, and only 1 R cosponsered it.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2023/related/proposals/ab350
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 11, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
Some not good, but also not unexpected, gun control news out of IL

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The multiple legal challenges to Illinois’ recently enacted ban on so-called assault weapons and “large capacity” magazines are taking place in both federal and state court, and while we’re waiting on a decision from the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the federal challenges, the state Supreme Court in Illinois has now released its own opinion in a case brought by Illinois state Rep. Dan Caulkins. To the surprise of few gun owners, the Democrat-controlled court reversed the lower court decision finding the ban violated the equal protection and special legislation clauses of the state constitution, maintaining instead that the ban that went into effect earlier this year is perfectly acceptable under the state constitution.

Today’s opinion was delivered by Justice Elizabeth Rochford, who has a history of palling around with anti-gun groups like Moms Demand Action.

BREAKING: IL Supreme Court upholds "assault weapon", magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/08/11/breaking-il-supreme-court-upholds-assault-weapon-magazine-ban-n73571
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on August 11, 2023, 09:50:14 PM
Some not good, but also not unexpected, gun control news out of IL

BREAKING: IL Supreme Court upholds "assault weapon", magazine ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/08/11/breaking-il-supreme-court-upholds-assault-weapon-magazine-ban-n73571

And, IIRC, "Judge" Rochford is one of the 2 judges "Jabba" bought and paid for in the last election.  :facepalm:  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on August 12, 2023, 12:43:43 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/us/guns-switch-devices.html

I have not made a study of this subject.  Do the switches/auto sears only work in Glock pistols?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Boomhauer on August 12, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
I’m sure their are “switch” devices for other pistols but Glocks are the only ones I have ever seen advertised or discussed
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 12, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
I’m sure their are “switch” devices for other pistols but Glocks are the only ones I have ever seen advertised or discussed

Like what was stated above I've not seen similar "switches" for other makes but that doesn't mean they're not out there.

Apparently someone holds the patent.
IIRC switches were/are sold legally to those who could/can legally buy them but any out on the street are illegal copies mostly from China.

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A patent for the Glock auto-sear was filed in 1996 and approved in 1998, with its invention credited to Jorge A. Leon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on August 12, 2023, 02:23:28 PM
The switches are 3d printable also.  It appears to be a trivial modification to make.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 12, 2023, 02:33:55 PM
If you put a brace on it as well does it fire even faster?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2023, 07:34:36 AM
The switches are 3d printable also.  It appears to be a trivial modification to make.

You can successfully 3d print the switch housing and push button,  the actual auto seat really should be metal for longevity.   From what I can gather, a full 3d printed Glock Switch is good for 10-15 mags, depending on the plastic.


I think most of these gang bangers are running the ones you could get of wish.com, or Alibaba.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2023, 08:09:33 AM
We had a recent shootout between gangs where over 600 rounds were reportedly fired and from the video much of it appeared to be from Glocks with switches. Not a single person was hit. I have seen videos where they empty a auto glock into someone at bad breath range but anything beyond that they usually just spray the area with them.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on August 13, 2023, 08:59:25 AM
I have fired a real Glock 18. To call it hard to control is a huge understatement.  Between a retardedly high rate of fire, and a significant portion of the mass of the firearm reciprocating it moves a lot and the muzzle climbs fast.

Even for mag dump drive-bys you'd be better off with a normal glock and harnessing your inner Miculek.

But I gather some street cred is garnered by having the switch.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2023, 09:32:35 AM
And right on cue

NY Times Auto Sear Switch Story Reveals the Increasing Futility of Gun Control Laws in a 3D Printed World
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ny-times-auto-sear-switch-story-reveals-the-increasing-futility-of-gun-control-laws-in-a-3d-printed-world/

The full NYTs article.
Amazingly the article isn't the usual "we need more gun control" screech. I mean some sneaks in but it's low key.
Note:The NYTs actually thinks people wants to pay for their propaganda and I had to go into reader mode (F9) and refresh to read it. A couple of lines of code on their end could "fix" that but they seem to be too lazy. Why they don't do what everyone else does and put a couple of ads up if they want money is beyond me. Maybe they feel they're above that in which case screw them.

Growing in Popularity, Switch Devices Are Making Guns Deadlier
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/us/guns-switch-devices.html
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on August 13, 2023, 10:09:32 AM
^^^^^
In one of the cases mentioned, a teenage gang banger shot up another teen causing life-altering injuries; sentenced to 10 years in jail, he could be out in 2.   :facepalm:

There's your problem right there.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 13, 2023, 10:20:47 AM
^^^^^
In one of the cases mentioned, a teenage gang banger shot up another teen causing life-altering injuries; sentenced to 10 years in jail, he could be out in 2.   :facepalm:

There's your problem right there.

If not out already
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 13, 2023, 12:24:13 PM
If not out already

While a guy who walked through the Capitol is doing 18.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 15, 2023, 09:45:54 AM
Related to the above
How my mind works.
I just remembered someone is trying to get Glocks and pretty much all semi-autos classified as machine guns.

Gun control activist wants Glocks re-classified as machine guns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/10/28/gun-control-activist-glocks-machine-guns-n63765
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on August 15, 2023, 01:17:25 PM
Related to the above
How my mind works.
I just remembered someone is trying to get Glocks and pretty much all semi-autos classified as machine guns.

Gun control activist wants Glocks re-classified as machine guns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/10/28/gun-control-activist-glocks-machine-guns-n63765

They are taking their cue from the way the ATF is "changing definitions".   >:D  :facepalm:  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on August 15, 2023, 01:57:39 PM
Glocks are readily convertible if you have the part.  You just replace the back plate. 

AR15's are similar as well, if you have a lighting link or similar device.

That is why these particular parts are classified as MGs, not the firearm itself.

Declaring all Glocks MGs doesn't make a lot sense.  Of course, the switch by itself isn't one either, rationally speaking.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 15, 2023, 02:07:36 PM
Declaring all Glocks MGs doesn't make a lot sense.  Of course, the switch by itself isn't one either, rationally speaking.

"Rationally" does not apply when guns and the BATFE are involved.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 16, 2023, 01:53:50 PM
More than likely not a snowball's chance in hell and political posturing on Newson's and the dems part but here it is.

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Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
NEW: CA has officially introduced a US Constitutional Amendment to end the gun violence epidemic in this nation.

The American people want action. Congress has refused. It’s up to states to step in.

The Right to Safety will enshrine 4 gun safety freedoms:

1) Raising the age to purchase a gun to 21

2) Universal background checks

3) A waiting period for gun purchases

4) Banning civilian purchases of assault weapons
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1691488230980620288

BREAKING NEWS: The 28th Amendment Process, To DESTROY the 2nd Amendment, Has Officially Begun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxNhOPpY9lk
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 16, 2023, 02:01:41 PM
Bill Text

https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SJR7/id/2837135
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 16, 2023, 06:04:12 PM
Guns banned at Michigan State Capitol. Except for state house and senate members.

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/16/for-thee-but-not-for-me-update-mich-dems-exempt-themselves-from-state-capitol-gun-ban-n2386341
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 18, 2023, 08:53:12 AM


Federal court rules New Jersey can sue gun industry, for now
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-court-rules-new-jersey-can-sue-gun-industry-for-now

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A three-judge panel on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously ruled that a legal challenge brought against the law by the National Sports Shooting Foundation (NSSF) was premature. Though the court acknowledged the law is somewhat vague about what conduct can trigger a lawsuit from the state, it nevertheless said the firearms industry "jumped the gun" by filing a legal challenge before demonstrating injury.

So you can't challenge a law it until it harms you?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on August 18, 2023, 09:35:27 AM

Federal court rules New Jersey can sue gun industry, for now
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-court-rules-new-jersey-can-sue-gun-industry-for-now

So you can't challenge a law it until it harms you?

You must be new here.  It’s called “standing” and the absolute favorite tool of kicking out challengers to laws/precedent they like.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 18, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
SC allows the Frame and Receiver rule to remain in effect while the trial continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brznPgxezlM

I've seen some doom and gloom over this, but I don't think it's as bad as everyone is claiming.

We have 4 Justices that are happy to let the injunction stand, and are typically pro-2A Justices.  The question is about the other five.

Consider the complications if this rule is flipped on and off, and is a hot topic politically.  People will exploit the "loopholes" while the rule is bouncing between stricken and supported, and the ATF will have enormous problems enforcing the rule under such context.  All it takes is one out of the remaining five Justices to take such a pragmatic approach and we wind up with a 5-4 decision in our favor.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 25, 2023, 08:02:14 PM
Ha ha - James Woods for the win.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/25/james-woods-gun-grabber-n2386587

I would sell all my guns in a heartbeat, then turn around and buy twice as many and still have a bunch of dough left over for oodles of ammo.  =D
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Ha ha - James Woods for the win.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/25/james-woods-gun-grabber-n2386587

I would sell all my guns in a heartbeat, then turn around and buy twice as many and still have a bunch of dough left over for oodles of ammo.  =D

Another comment:
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I’ve checked the government’s background and they didn’t pass.

I can’t in good conscience give them weapons.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 28, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
Director of Bronx anti-gun violence org busted for drug trafficking scheme, gun possession
https://www.bxtimes.com/bronx-anti-gun-violence-drug-trafficking/

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Orange County New York law enforcement officials announced the arrests of 15 people for an alleged interstate drug trafficking conspiracy on Tuesday. Said to be the main supplier of the drug network was 48-year-old Michael Rodriguez — a Yonkers resident and the director of the nonprofit Good Shepherd Services’ program Bronx Rises Against Gun Violence, known as B.R.A.G.
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Hoovler said cops seized more than $165,000 in cash, two guns — one with a defaced serial number — and more than 1.5 kilos of cocaine along with other paraphernalia from Michael Rodriguez’s residence in the Getty Square section of Yonkers.

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The DA noted that Michael Rodriguez’s line of work made his arrest a let down all the more.

“The very guy that we have that’s supposed to be stopping gun violence in one jurisdiction, in New York City, is poisoning our jurisdiction up here,” Hoovler said. “It’s kind of ironic that it’s ‘Bronx Rises Against Gun Violence’ — he had two guns.”
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 28, 2023, 09:25:25 PM
Director of Bronx anti-gun violence org busted for drug trafficking scheme, gun possession
https://www.bxtimes.com/bronx-anti-gun-violence-drug-trafficking/

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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 29, 2023, 07:11:29 AM
Director of Bronx anti-gun violence org busted for drug trafficking scheme, gun possession
https://www.bxtimes.com/bronx-anti-gun-violence-drug-trafficking/

Doesn't want his client base to be able to offer any resistance.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on August 29, 2023, 06:39:11 PM
Some good news....

D.C. to Pay Gun Owners $5.1 Million for Unconstitutional Arrests and Confiscations
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/d-c-to-pay-gun-owners-5-1-million-for-unconstitutional-arrests-and-confiscations/

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D.C. will pay $5.1 million as part of a class-action settlement with gun owners who were arrested under laws that have since been found to violate the Second Amendment, according to the settlement agreement.
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Now, D.C. will pay a total of $300,000 to the six plaintiffs and $1.9 million in attorneys fees, with the majority of the rest of the money set aside for more than 3,000 people estimated to qualify for the class-action. …

At least they get a little bit more than just the legal costs.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on August 29, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
Some good news....

D.C. to Pay Gun Owners $5.1 Million for Unconstitutional Arrests and Confiscations
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/d-c-to-pay-gun-owners-5-1-million-for-unconstitutional-arrests-and-confiscations/

At least they get a little bit more than just the legal costs.

So, $50k each if I’m reading this correctly.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 29, 2023, 07:08:11 PM
I'm sure DC will find ways to drag that out for years.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on August 31, 2023, 04:56:55 PM
The proposed new rules details dropped

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The White House outlines criteria that would automatically make someone presumed to require a federal firearms license. These include:

    Offering any number of firearms for sale while signaling the ability to sell additional firearms.
    Frequently offering for sale firearms bought within the last 30 days.
    Selling firearms that are ‘like new’ and in their original packaging.
    Selling multiple firearms of the same make and model.
    As a former federally-licensed firearms dealer, selling firearms that were in business inventory and not transferred to a personal collection at least a year before the sale.

Biden administration one step closer to eliminating private gun sales
https://bearingarms.com/ryan-petty/2023/08/31/biden-admininstration-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-private-gun-sales-n74413

 FACT SHEET: Biden-⁠Harris Administration Takes Another Life-Saving Step to Keep Guns Out of Dangerous Hands
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/08/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-another-life-saving-step-to-keep-guns-out-of-dangerous-hands/

Cue the Jurassic Park "That's a big pile of *expletive deleted*it" meme in regards to the rule's title
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2023, 05:19:07 PM
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Selling firearms that are ‘like new’ and in their original packaging.

I currently have four firearms exactly fitting that description. I bought them specifically because of their collector value and appreciation potential. That's not counting any of my milsurps, which were also mostly purchased as an investment.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
Note Brandon Herrera's comment to Swalwell. Side note, I love Brandon's campaign Tshirt - "Let's Go Brandon!"  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/31/eric-swalwell-whos-been-significantly-owned-for-his-gun-post-owned-again-for-saying-hes-not-being-owned-n2386766
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 01, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
The proposed new rules details dropped

Biden administration one step closer to eliminating private gun sales
https://bearingarms.com/ryan-petty/2023/08/31/biden-admininstration-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-private-gun-sales-n74413

 FACT SHEET: Biden-⁠Harris Administration Takes Another Life-Saving Step to Keep Guns Out of Dangerous Hands
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/08/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-takes-another-life-saving-step-to-keep-guns-out-of-dangerous-hands/

Cue the Jurassic Park "That's a big pile of *expletive deleted*it" meme in regards to the rule's title

I'm chewing my way through that NPRM, and there's a lot in it.

So far, the real worst thing I've seen is while they are required by statute (GCA '68) to say you can sell your personal collection and not be a dealer, when they get to the lists of things that are presumptions of not being a dealer they have this gem:

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under this proposed rule, a person would not be presumed to be engaged in
the business requiring a license as a dealer when the person transfers firearms only as
bona fide gifts,73 or occasionally74 sells firearms only to obtain more valuable, desirable,
or useful firearms
for their personal collection or hobby, unless their conduct also
demonstrates a predominant intent to earn a profit
(bolding mine)


Which reads like if you sell your guns, either to get out of collecting, or just to downsize the collection, you would fall under the "presumptively a dealer" clause because you didn't use the funds to buy more guns.  Heck, they could make an administrative case if they felt like you were waiting too long to roll profits back into your collection.  If nothing else, there would definitely be a chilling effect on selling to folks you don't personally know.  Which is their intent.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 10:17:12 AM
Update on the Rare Breed case, Judge sides with the ATF.
Apparently ATF rule > what the law says is a machine gun.

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The U.S. government on Tuesday won a court injunction blocking a firearms company from selling after-market triggers that let gun enthusiasts convert AR-15 style rifles into weapons that can shoot as fast as machine guns.

U.S. District Judge Nina Morrison in Brooklyn said the Department of Justice was likely to prove that the "forced-reset triggers" sold by Rare Breed Triggers LLC and its owners were illegal machine guns under federal law.

The government said rifles equipped with Rare Breed's FRT-15 triggers were capable of firing faster than military-grade M-16 machine guns, which can fire at least 700 rounds a minute.

In a 129-page decision, Morrison said the defendants defrauded customers by saying its FRT-15s were "absolutely" legal, despite having failed to win Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives approval for their sale.

She also highlighted alleged efforts by Fargo, North Dakota-based Rare Breed to obstruct the government from tracking and confiscating the devices, including by destroying sales records and using fake names on packages sent through the mail.
US wins injunction over devices it says turn rifles into machine guns
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-wins-court-injunction-against-seller-machine-gun-converters-2023-09-05/

Court issues injunction on forced reset triggers case
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/06/court-forced-reset-n74513
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 06, 2023, 02:04:41 PM
I hate it when idiots try and write technical things.

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firing faster than military-grade M-16 machine guns, which can fire at least 700 rounds a minute.

An M16 can't fire 700 rounds per minute, much less at least 700 rounds per minute.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
I hate it when idiots try and write technical things.

An M16 can't fire 700 rounds per minute, much less at least 700 rounds per minute.

Not following you, rounds per minute is how it's usually expressed and M16s are commonly rated at 700-850 rpm
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Devonai on September 07, 2023, 10:57:19 AM
I believe the quibble is the difference between the cyclic rate and the effective rate, that is, how quickly the average soldier can swap magazines and sustain fire.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 07, 2023, 11:34:05 AM
Not following you, rounds per minute is how it's usually expressed and M16s are commonly rated at 700-850 rpm

I believe the quibble is the difference between the cyclic rate and the effective rate, that is, how quickly the average soldier can swap magazines and sustain fire.

Close, but not quite.  The 700-900 rounds per minute is the rated cyclic rate of an M16/M4.  That is how fast the bolt moves.  The gun can't fire that fast without destroying itself.  It's not a matter of how fast someone can swap mags (which is it's own subject) but rather what the weapon is capable of without destroying itself.  If you put a Hollywood endless mag in an M4 , flipped it to auto, and held the trigger back, the gun physically couldn't fire 700rds in a minute.

It seems like a quibble amongst gun folks because we understand the difference between cyclic rate and rate of fire, but the idiots that wrote that article actually believe an M16 can fire 700 rounds in a minute.  It can't.  It'll literally melt first.

For Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw  830 rounds in 6 minutes killed the gun.

For the record, per TM 9-1005-319-10, the max sustained rate of fire for an M16/M4 is 12-15 rounds per minute.  Max Effective RoF of an M4 in Auto is 90rpm.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2023, 06:22:07 PM
Might as well put this here:

https://youtu.be/Zczmz4850wM

It's a two year old Insider video on "decoding guns" that popped up in my youtubz. It was actually interesting to watch because they got some few things surprisingly correct, but then went out there with Pluto on so much more. Example: Needing to point out that an optic was colored in the dreaded Flat Dark Earth.

They of course managed to get clips of not the people normally dressed or safely handling guns, but stuff like the guy in the white motorcycle helmet and goggles, or the guy (that must have been a plant) waving his AR at everyone and everything.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2023, 08:29:36 PM
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    New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham says she is suspending open and concealed carry privileges in Bernalillo County for the next 30 days.

    The governor made the announcement during a news conference Friday afternoon.

    Gov. Lujan Grisham declared gun violence a public health emergency Thursday, following the murder of an 11-year-old boy on his way home from an Isotopes game Wednesday night. That case, combined with several other violent cases involving children, sparked the decision.

This goes into effect today and will last for 30 days, at which time Grisham says she’ll decide whether to extend it or adjust.
BREAKING: NM Gov suspends ALL lawful carry in Albuquerque
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/08/nm-gov-albuquerque-n74614

As usual will only effect the law abiding
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 08, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
This goes into effect today and will last for 30 days, at which time Grisham says she’ll decide whether to extend it or adjust.
BREAKING: NM Gov suspends ALL lawful carry in Albuquerque
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/08/nm-gov-albuquerque-n74614

How is that legal?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2023, 10:59:05 PM
Declare criminals a "public health emergency" and start requiring shots.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 10:38:29 AM
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The Albuquerque Police Department has reported an 11% decrease in homicides for the month of August 2023 compared to August 2022. As of August 2023, APD reports 74 homicides for the month of August compared to 90 homicides in August 2022.

Guess who will no doubt take credit for that never mind the timing, the media will, also no doubt, gladly provide cover for that little detail.

Albuquerque homicide rate actually dropping
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/09/albuquerque-homicide-n74620
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on September 09, 2023, 11:09:17 AM
This goes into effect today and will last for 30 days, at which time Grisham says she’ll decide whether to extend it or adjust.
BREAKING: NM Gov suspends ALL lawful carry in Albuquerque
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/08/nm-gov-albuquerque-n74614

As usual will only effect the law abiding
I don't see how edicts like this have any standing.

Did the NM gov also establish a penalty for ignoring the order?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on September 09, 2023, 11:14:11 AM
Looking at those homicide numbers, Albuquerque told Chicago, "Here, hold my beer."
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 11:17:41 AM
I don't see how edicts like this have any standing.

Did the NM gov also establish a penalty for ignoring the order?

Don't know, may not matter if it's enforced or not because  since as I noted above the murder rate had already dropped by a sizable % before her imperial edict and I have almost no doubt she will with the MSM backing her up take full credit for the drop.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 11:21:38 AM
Looking at those homicide numbers, Albuquerque told Chicago, "Here, hold my beer."

Think we just had our 111th.
Just had a cop shot Thursday morning by someone on home incarceration with a felony list as long as my arm. WTF was he doing out?  Shot the cop from a house while the cop was making a traffic stop. Thankfully I think he's going to be okay. Meanwhile our lefty mayor keeps screaming gun control and absolutely nothing about criminal control.

Edit: 112
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on September 09, 2023, 11:38:27 AM
I don't see how edicts like this have any standing.

Did the NM gov also establish a penalty for ignoring the order?

I imaging (white) violators will be shot on sight by police.  Eventually that escalates into police being shot on sight.  They don't think these things through.

that was weird.  I put the word "white" in brackets and SM changed it to color=white and whited-out the whole line, even tho' there was no /color at the end
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2023, 11:57:26 AM
I imaging (white) violators will be shot on sight by police.  Eventually that escalates into police being shot on sight.  They don't think these things through.

Eh, I bet white legal gun owners are a small minority in New Mexico. The white population there seems to be either hippies who hate guns, or meth heads that don't follow the law. That physically beautiful state has become a shithole.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 09, 2023, 12:40:51 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/new-mexico-sheriff-tells-tyrannical-governor-he-will/

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Bernalillo sheriff won't comply with temporary New Mexico gun ban.

"I have reservations regarding this order. The temporary ban challenges the foundation of our Constitution, which I swore an oath to uphold."

Bernalillo is a suburb north of ABQ.

Having listened to the sheriff's statement, I note he does not refuse to enforce the ban.  He says he has reservations about it.

Also Bernalillo County includes all of ABQ.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
She admits it will do nothing but it will make them safer somehow  :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/beauhightowerdn/status/1700314710091173904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5i7NOdXIAANXcA?format=jpg&name=large)

It's message all right, that she is an idiot and needs to go.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 09, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
https://eji.org/news/new-mexico-ends-qualified-immunity-for-abusive-police/

Remember when the governor of New Mexico removed Qualified Immunity from police officers that violate citizens rights? FPC remembers.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ron on September 09, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
Shall not be infringed unless some woman feels there is a health crises.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on September 09, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
She does not feel her oath (I assume to uphold the Constitution) is absolute. With that mind set she probably feels justified taking away the rights of the citizens. The local Po-Po don't quite feel that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xj58_9RpiA&t=147s


bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 09, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
She may have just opened herself up to an awesome, personally destructive lawsuit.

Her Civil Rights act that she signed into law in 2021:

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A. A public body or person acting on behalf of, under color of or within the course and scope of the authority of a public body shall not subject or cause to be subjected any resident of New Mexico or person within the state to deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured pursuant to the constitution of New Mexico.

B. A person who claims to have suffered a deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities pursuant to the constitution of New Mexico due to acts or omissions of a public body or person acting on behalf of, under color of or within the course and scope of the authority of a public body may maintain an action to establish liability and recover actual damages and equitable or injunctive relief in any New Mexico district court.
....
DEFENSE OF QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.--In any claim for damages or relief under the New Mexico Civil Rights Act, no public body or person acting on behalf of, under color of or within the course and scope of the authority of a public body shall enjoy the defense of qualified immunity for causing the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured by the constitution of New Mexico.

New Mexico Constitution:
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No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes,

It would seem she has, acting in the scope of her authority, deprived folks of rights guaranteed under the NM constitution.  In addition to injuctive relief, actual damages could get pretty high from anyone that is the victim of a crime this month.

It's a long shot, but I really hope they use her feel good BLM law to sue her into oblivion without the taxpayer's bailing her judgment out.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
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    🚨@RepBlock and I have asked legal counsel to start the impeachment process for @GovMLG for her violation of oath of office by mandating the ban of all firearms (even with concealed carry) in Bernalillo County.
    However, when asked about a previous impeachment, the last House… https://t.co/0uF5MnXLbM

    — Rep Stefani Lord (@Lord4NM) September 9, 2023

Even some of the anti-gunners think she went too far. Probably because she played their hand too soon.

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    Suspending concealed carry permits:

    Is a bad idea.
    Will not solve anything, may make things worse.
    Is the sort of knee-jerk that only fosters distrust.

    The best policy involves bringing responsible gunowners to the table to work towards real solutions. This ain’t one of them https://t.co/bx9dfXwTzM

    — Ryan Busse (@ryandbusse) September 9, 2023
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/opponents-prepping-court-challenges-impeachment-after-governor-michelle-lujan-grisham-imposes-emergency-carry-ban/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2023, 05:27:31 PM
I almost choked on my coffee, she's even got Hogg Boy against this

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    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution. https://t.co/kOhLMtaOl2
    — Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) September 9, 2023

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    I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution. https://t.co/6GfbOZLc7g
    — David Hogg 🟧 (@davidhogg111) September 9, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/09/even-ted-lieu-has-a-problem-with-nm-govs-gun-order-n2387022
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2023, 05:44:19 PM
I bet she figured she would be getting all kinds of kudos from that crowd. Admittedly, I too am flabbergasted that they are making statements against her.

Though they probably recognize just how bad "The constitution doesn't matter and neither does my oath" sounds to almost everybody.

EDIT: I did notice at the link that they both used identical language, so there is probably some wagon circling going on.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2023, 05:57:49 PM
On a lighter note...

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/09/based-11-year-old-shoots-home-intruder-n2387020

"And he cried like a little baby."  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 10, 2023, 12:11:44 AM
I almost choked on my coffee, she's even got Hogg Boy against this
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/09/even-ted-lieu-has-a-problem-with-nm-govs-gun-order-n2387022

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5nR6YVWgAAMfA_?format=webp&name=small)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 10, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
I want someone to ask her since Albuquerque's homicide rate was much higher last year why didn't she declare a public health emergency then? Why declare one AFTER the rate drop by a considerable margin?
Yes I know what the answer(s) probably are but I want to see what kind of answer she would come up with.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on September 10, 2023, 01:55:50 PM
So twice now, I have tried to order a couple of Uncle Mike's holsters with a magazine pouch, sizes 15 and 16, and Amazon tells me the item cannot be shipped to my delivery location in Washington state.  I have tried ordering them from Amazon, and a couple of other sellers on Amazon and get the same message each time.  I wonder if this somehow ties into the 10 round magazine restriction in Washington state.  Clearly no magazine greater than 10 rounds is part of the order, but is there metadata or text in the item description that is triggering the magazine restriction? 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 10, 2023, 07:03:33 PM
The anti-gunners are trying to distance themselves from the NM governor:

https://twitter.com/wallstreetsilv/status/1700624423961661480
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: K Frame on September 12, 2023, 08:16:10 AM
Looks like Albuquerque-are law enforcement is saying they won't do thing one to enforce her order. The attorney-general for Albuquerque is also pushing back.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2023, 10:53:11 AM
Her reply

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    “I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action. What we need is for leaders to stand up for the victims of violent crime. We need law enforcement, district attorneys, public officials, school leaders and state agencies to use every single tool at their disposal to stop this violence. Period.

    This is an administration that has treated the gun violence epidemic as the crisis that it is. We’ve passed common-sense gun legislation, including red flag laws, domestic violence protections, a ban on straw purchases, and safe storage laws; dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fund specifically to help law enforcement hire and retain officers; increased penalties for violent offenders and provided massive support to intervention programs.

    We’ve given you the tools, Sheriff Allen— now stop being squeamish about using them. I will not back down from doing what’s right and I will always put the safety of the people of New Mexico first.”
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/12/new-mexico-sheriff-n74703

Apparently you DO need a lecture on constitutionality
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2023, 02:11:57 PM
And the ACLU speaks

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    BREAKING: We are concerned that the governor’s recent use of emergency powers could lead to overzealous policing and senseless incarceration.

    See our full statement: https://t.co/TBlNiW528c

    — ACLU of New Mexico (@ACLUNM) September 11, 2023

That's their concern

ACLU-NM issues a cowardly statement on the New Mexico Governor’s Executive Order
https://bearingarms.com/ranjit-singh/2023/09/12/aclu-nm-issues-a-cowardly-statement-on-the-new-mexico-governors-executive-order-n74700

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2023, 04:48:08 PM
Now her own AG has told her to get bent.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/09/12/nm-attorney-genneral-raul-torrez-says-gov-grishams-executive-order-unconstitutional-will-not-defend-n2387164
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on September 12, 2023, 06:52:22 PM
Devil's Advocate here.  She probably does have the authority to suspend concealed carry licenses or permits or whatever they call them there.  (that's the problem with needing a permit)  [/devil's advocate]  Since open carry is legal in NM, doing so doesn't mean much; everyone will just open carry.

The police chief, the sheriff, and the AG have all said they will not enforce this.  But we haven't heard from the state police yet.  I suspect they will be happy to enforce it.  Expect a shitshow in the next few days.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 12, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
Any word on pending litigation/lawsuits?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2023, 07:36:24 PM
Any word on pending litigation/lawsuits?

SAF Files the Sixth Lawsuit Challenging Governor Grisham’s Suspension of Second Amendment Rights
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-files-the-sixth-lawsuit-challenging-governor-grishams-suspension-of-second-amendment-rights/

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Joining SAF are the New Mexico Shooting Sports Association, Firearms Policy Coalition and a private citizen, Zachary Fort, who resides in Bernalillo County. They are represented by Jordon George of Aragon Moss George Jenkins, LLP who has also filed a motion for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction. The lawsuit and motion were filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico.

In addition to Gov. Lujan Grisham, defendants are Patrick M. Allen, cabinet secretary for the New Mexico Department of Health; Jason R. Bowie, cabinet secretary for the New Mexico Department of Public Safety, and W. Troy Weisler, chief of the New Mexico State Police. They are all sued individually and in their official capacities.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JN01 on September 12, 2023, 10:25:29 PM
Devil's Advocate here.  She probably does have the authority to suspend concealed carry licenses or permits or whatever they call them there.  (that's the problem with needing a permit)  [/devil's advocate]  Since open carry is legal in NM, doing so doesn't mean much; everyone will just open carry.



She suspended concealed AND open carry.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2023, 10:34:53 PM
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“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action. What we need is for leaders to stand up for the victims of violent crime. We need law enforcement, district attorneys, public officials, school leaders and state agencies to use every single tool at their disposal to stop this violence. Period.

    This is an administration that has treated the gun violence epidemic as the crisis that it is. We’ve passed common-sense gun legislation, including red flag laws, domestic violence protections, a ban on straw purchases, and safe storage laws; dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fund specifically to help law enforcement hire and retain officers; increased penalties for violent offenders and provided massive support to intervention programs.

First off, Guv, epidemiology is a medical field, not a criminal justice field. Second, whatever you choose to call violence against the citizenry, calling it "gun" violence is idiotic. Guns don't attack people. Guns don't murder people. PEOPLE attack and murder other people. To whatever extent you have a violence problem in your state, it's not a "gun" violence problem, it's a violent people violence problem.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on September 12, 2023, 10:45:53 PM
She suspended concealed AND open carry.
I know she tried to.  I'm saying that suspending carry permits might be within her executive power.  That's the danger of requiring a license or permit to exercise a right; it becomes a privilege.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2023, 11:45:21 PM
I know she tried to.  I'm saying that suspending carry permits might be within her executive power.  That's the danger of requiring a license or permit to exercise a right; it becomes a privilege.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2023, 09:30:06 AM
Wow! Even getting push back from CNN

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/09/13/cnn-grisham-n74767
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2023, 05:13:01 PM
Fight!

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UPDATE: US District Court Judge David Urias has issued a temporary restraining order blocking New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham’s “emergency public health order” that suspended Second Amendment carry rights for citizens in Bernalillo County and the city of Albuquerque.

Update: Judge Issues Temporary Restraing Order Blocking NM Gov. Grisham’s ‘Emergency’ Carry Ban
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/hearing-on-temporary-restaining-order-motions-to-block-new-mexico-2a-suspension-will-be-live-streamed/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 14, 2023, 12:44:07 AM
And the judge is a Biden appointee.

Madam Governor nonetheless says she'll keep fighting to keep her ban in effect.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on September 14, 2023, 07:41:05 AM
Update: New Mexico's Attorney General will NOT defend governor's order.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-mexico-attorney-general-wont-defend-governors-gun-order
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: K Frame on September 14, 2023, 07:56:51 AM
"my duty to uphold and defend the constitutional rights of every citizen takes precedence."

And he will be summarily ejected from the Democratic  Party for that Trumpist, Fascist stand.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on September 14, 2023, 09:39:54 AM
I doubt he will be attacked.  Even the Biden appointed judge was forced to issue the injunction.  They all know the Gov stepped way too far.  The "elected Dictator" phase of the leftist revolution isn't actually here yet.  If only Hillary's election had been engineered as it was supposed to be we would have had a good leftist majority on the SC. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 14, 2023, 09:42:33 AM
I doubt he will be attacked.  Even the Biden appointed judge was forced to issue the injunction.  They all know the Gov stepped way too far.  The "elected Dictator" phase of the leftist revolution isn't actually here yet.  If only Hillary's election had been engineered as it was supposed to be we would have had a good leftist majority on the SC.

As I said earlier she played their hand too soon that's why they're upset
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: K Frame on September 14, 2023, 09:51:58 AM
I doubt he will be attacked.  Even the Biden appointed judge was forced to issue the injunction.  They all know the Gov stepped way too far.  The "elected Dictator" phase of the leftist revolution isn't actually here yet.  If only Hillary's election had been engineered as it was supposed to be we would have had a good leftist majority on the SC. 

Oh, it won't be obviously. Far more subtle than that.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 14, 2023, 10:27:47 AM
Trial Balloon was released.  Results were observed.  Plan is proceeding.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on September 14, 2023, 10:53:36 AM
Trial Balloon was released.  Results were observed.  Plan is proceeding.
This.  Shifting the Overton window.
Lots of anti-gun people were given the opportunity to look reasonable by comparison.  The next gun control push will be comparatively tame when positioned next to the new extreme.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 14, 2023, 11:58:17 AM
Funny that.

Did You Notice That None of the Albuquerque Protestors Burned Anything or Shot Anyone?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/did-you-notice-that-none-of-the-albuquerque-protestors-burned-anything-or-shot-anyone/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 14, 2023, 02:03:44 PM
Fight!

Update: Judge Issues Temporary Restraing Order Blocking NM Gov. Grisham’s ‘Emergency’ Carry Ban
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/hearing-on-temporary-restaining-order-motions-to-block-new-mexico-2a-suspension-will-be-live-streamed/

She should have called Saul.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Boomhauer on September 15, 2023, 05:47:10 AM
This.  Shifting the Overton window.
Lots of anti-gun people were given the opportunity to look reasonable by comparison.  The next gun control push will be comparatively tame when positioned next to the new extreme.

Note how the anti gunners that said she went too far used almost identical wording. The NPC message was released per the plan.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on September 15, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Trial Balloon was released.  Results were observed.  Plan is proceeding.
I keep thinking they are pushing boundaries and watching to see what it takes to trigger violence from normal people.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: sumpnz on September 15, 2023, 10:00:52 AM
Note how the anti gunners that said she went too far used almost identical wording. The NPC message was released per the plan.

I certainly noticed.  Definitely made me think it was a trial balloon that they quickly realized was not a good move.  They turned up the heat too fast on the frog.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2023, 04:31:05 PM
She's revised her order to only ban guns in parks and playgrounds.
I guess she think this gets around the judges ruling and she's doing everything she can think of to get her way and not admit defeat.

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At a press conference on Friday morning, the governor said she was not calling a special session, but instead announced a revised order banning concealed carry in public parks and playgrounds while removing the blanket prohibition on open and concealed carry throughout the city and county.

New Mexico governor revises emergency order, this time banning guns in parks and playgrounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOP2IKDNDc

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2023, 04:41:44 PM
She's revised her order to only ban guns in parks and playgrounds.
I guess she think this gets around the judges ruling and she's doing everything she can think of to get her way and not admit defeat.

New Mexico governor revises emergency order, this time banning guns in parks and playgrounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOP2IKDNDc

I wonder how that will tie into Federal areas?

https://www.nps.gov/state/nm/index.htm

No National Parks, per se, but lots of monuments and some Historical Parks.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2023, 04:58:12 PM
Text article

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/09/15/new-mexico-governor-revises-emergency-order-this-time-banning-guns-in-parks-and-playgrounds-n74939
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2023, 05:29:29 PM
What idiots like her think happens in real life

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/.highres/Guns.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2023, 05:42:02 PM
Meanwhile in CA

Full California: The Golden State Legislature Stacks Up Gun Control Bills as the Session Ends
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/full-california-the-golden-state-legislature-stacks-up-gun-control-bills-as-the-session-ends/

Senate Bill 241 passed out of the Assembly and is headed to the Senate. The bill requires California firearm retailers and their employees to undergo annual training courses which are implemented by the California Department of Justice (CalDOJ)

Assembly Bill 1406 passed both the Assembly and Senate and is heading to Gov. Newsom for signature. AB 1406 would expand the existing 10-day waiting period on the sale or transfer of a firearm to include a possible 30-day state waiting period.

Senate Bill 368
The bill adds additional requirements and red tape for firearm retailers to navigate should a person experiencing temporary mental health challenges decide to give their firearm to the dealer for storage.

Assembly Bill 1089 passed both the Assembly and Senate and is heading to Gov. Newsom’s desk for possible signature. AB 1089 prohibits anyone, including a gunsmith or hobbyist, from manufacturing a home-built firearm and requires those individuals to register as a state-licensed firearm manufacturer. Building firearms at home has been common since before the founding of the country.

 Assembly Bill 28
Would impose an 11 percent excise tax on firearm retailers and manufacturers for all sales of guns or ammunition.

Senate Bill 2 creates a new arbitrary system and criteria for firearm permits making it immensely harder for citizens to obtain carry permits. This is Gov. Newsom’s response to the Bruen decision. Since he didn’t like the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision, he took the same tactic and sought legislation to make it nearly impossible to legally carry a firearm in California – even if an individual has a permit. The bill would make nearly every public place in California a “sensitive place” and deny law-abiding citizens from carrying a firearm.

While there are still only a handful of days remaining, the firearm industry is also watching to see if legislators move a California state Merchant Category Code (MCC) bill (AB 1587) to track individuals who make firearm purchases using a credit card, as well as a microstamping bill (SB 452) which would require the state to study the unworkable and flawed technology on new firearms in the state.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 18, 2023, 01:11:00 PM
https://bearingarms.com/ranjit-singh/2023/09/18/mission-accomplished-new-mexico-governor-causes-a-spike-in-gun-sales-n74983

No surprise there.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2023, 10:14:38 AM
The Office of Gun Violence Prevention
Yeah...

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    Biden to create new office of gun violence prevention
    The move, long sought by gun-control groups, comes amid stalled progress on firearms legislation
    By Tyler Pager

    President Biden on Friday will announce the creation of a new office for gun violence prevention, an escalation of the administration’s efforts to tackle the issue amid stalled progress in Congress, according to four people briefed on the action who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss plans that were not yet public.

    Biden and Vice President Harris are scheduled to announce the new office at an event in the White House Rose Garden on Friday afternoon, the people said.

    Greg Jackson, a gun violence survivor who is the executive director of the Community Justice Action Fund, and Rob Wilcox, the senior director for federal government affairs at Everytown for Gun Safety, are expected to have key roles in the office, the people said.

    The new office will report up through Stefanie Feldman, the White House staff secretary and a longtime Biden policy aide who has worked on the firearms issue for years, the people said. Feldman previously worked on the Domestic Policy Council and still oversees the gun policy portfolio at the White House.

    The White House, the Community Justice Action Fund and Everytown for Gun Safety all declined to comment.

    Since Biden was elected, gun violence prevention groups have pressed the White House to create such an office, arguing that it would help coordinate efforts across the federal government to reduce gun violence. Activists say this type of office would also allow the White House to exert more leadership on the issue.

    “If this announcement is, in fact, the creation of a single point of leadership on gun violence in the administration, it’s a very big deal for the movement,” Shannon Watts, the founder emerita of Moms Demand Action, a group working to stop gun violence, said in a statement after The Washington Post approached her with the news.

We furnish the means by which we suffer: Thomas Paine’s words come true in Biden’s new office
https://bearingarms.com/ranjit-singh/2023/09/20/we-furnish-the-means-by-which-we-suffer-thomas-paines-words-come-true-in-bidens-new-office-n75064


 WHAT?! Biden To Announce NEW Office To Strip 2A Rights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmEC-Zqrt1Q
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 22, 2023, 11:43:47 AM
Joe is putting Kamala in charge
In other words we still have no idea who will actually be running this.

Biden's putting WHO in charge of his Office of Gun Violence Prevention?
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/09/22/biden-office-gun-violence-prevention-n75163



Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 22, 2023, 12:14:25 PM
Joe is putting Kamala in charge
In other words we still have no idea who will actually be running this.

Biden's putting WHO in charge of his Office of Gun Violence Prevention?
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/09/22/biden-office-gun-violence-prevention-n75163

If she handles Gun Violencetm with the same aplomb she's handled the border, the ATF will be handing out Carl Gustavs by the election.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2023, 12:54:22 PM
the ATF will be handing out Carl Gustavs by the election.

But only to illegal aliens, err... asylum seekers.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on September 22, 2023, 01:33:46 PM
But only to illegal aliens, err... asylum seekers.

¿Qué? No entiendo. Sólo estoy aquí para disparar las armas que los estadounidenses no disparan.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 22, 2023, 02:28:44 PM
¿Qué? No entiendo. Sólo estoy aquí para disparar las armas que los estadounidenses no disparan.

Bien. Gracias por su ayuda. No podríamos hacerlo sin usted.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 22, 2023, 02:33:35 PM
Press 1 for English
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on September 22, 2023, 04:16:04 PM
If she handles Gun Violencetm with the same aplomb she's handled the border, the ATF will be handing out Carl Gustavs by the election.
Now you are just trying to tease us.  I imagine the hard part would be finding a range to let you fire one. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on September 22, 2023, 06:28:33 PM
CA magazine ban struck down!   :cool:

Not the end of the litigation, but perhaps, "the end of the beginning."

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-californias-magazine-capacity-limit-ruled-unconstitutional-under-bruen/#
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 22, 2023, 06:30:15 PM
Press 1 for English

Your Alzheimer's is showing. Around here, it's been 1 for Spanish, 2 for Portuguese, and 3 for English for several years.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on September 22, 2023, 08:11:35 PM
Arrests made in the shooting case that supposedly sparked Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham to issued her "Public Heath Emergency" order

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Authorities in New Mexico said Thursday that two people were arrested in connection with a shooting outside an Albuquerque baseball stadium earlier this month that left an 11-year-old boy dead and another victim critically injured.

Albuquerque Police Chief Harold Medina said at a news conference that Jose Romero, 22, and Nathen Garley, 21, have been charged in connection with the shooting immediately after the Albuquerque Isotopes game on Sept. 6, which left 11-year-old Froylan Villegas dead and left his cousin, Tatiana Villegas, paralyzed from the waist down.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-arrested-drive-shooting-new-mexico-baseball-stadium-killed-11-year-old-boy-innocent-child

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on September 23, 2023, 10:54:08 AM
Your Alzheimer's is showing. Around here, it's been 1 for Spanish, 2 for Portuguese, and 3 for English for several years.
You're lucky you still get English - phone tree setup has been outsourced here, so we only get Engrish.  (see https://engrish.com/)   
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on October 14, 2023, 09:27:50 PM
You no good jackasses are holding out on me again. I have to find out from Biden that I can get a gun that fits 100 rounds in the chamber instead of hearing it from you guys? Somebody better post links - I want to buy one this week.

https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/10/14/biden-100-rounds-big-gun-speaking-coughing-joe-biden-n2388549

On the serious note - yeah, pretty bad timing on the gun control push.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on October 15, 2023, 09:47:56 AM
Firefox translate Spanish to English keeps popping up on this page
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on October 16, 2023, 08:16:23 PM
This is my shocked face.

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New York lawmakers are looking at requiring consumers to first go through a criminal history background check before they can buy certain 3D printers.

The legislation is designed to crack down on potential misuse of 3D printers capable of manufacturing gun parts. The proposal comes from Democratic Assemblymember Jenifer Rajkumar, who introduced the bill on Friday.

Under the legislation, 3D printer retailers would need to request a background check from New York’s criminal justice services when a customer tries to make a purchase. Criminal justice services would then need to notify the retailer if the customer has received a felony or serious offense that would make them ineligible to possess a firearm.

NY State Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers
https://www.pcmag.com/news/ny-state-bill-would-require-background-checks-to-buy-3d-printers

NICS Checks For 3D Printers?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o66N68iP16w
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on October 16, 2023, 08:19:48 PM
Yes, Creality, The Chinese company known for strictly respecting US and EU Intellectual Property laws and Open Source mandates will definitely comply with NY State law on any shipments heading to the States.

Good thinking there.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 16, 2023, 10:17:17 PM
Yes, Creality, The Chinese company known for strictly respecting US and EU Intellectual Property laws and Open Source mandates will definitely comply with NY State law on any shipments heading to the States.

Good thinking there.

Quoted for truth.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on October 17, 2023, 12:05:55 PM
Breaking News: SCOTUS Vacates Vanderstok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUDVVc9iZIE

SCOTUS vacated the injunction on the ATF's frame and receiver rule.  Apparently no opinion was issued along with it.  The case still proceeds and the 5th Circuit could put in their own injunction.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 01, 2023, 09:41:04 PM
Illinois's gun registration is going well

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According to Illinois State Police data, 2,415,481 gun owners call the Land o’ Lincoln home. Earlier this year, Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed the so-called Protect Illinois Communities Act into law which banned the most many of the most popular guns used for self-defense. Under the law, existing owners of these now verboten firearms must register their guns by January 1, 2024 or face felony charges.

Four weeks into the gun registration window, exactly 2430 of those FOID holders have registered their guns, accessories, or .50 caliber firearms. That works out to .1006%, or about one in a thousand.

What’s even more remarkable is the number of FOID holders choosing to comply has fallen with each passing week.

Quote
Granted, not all FOID holders own the guns that are now banned under the law. However, given the popularity of America’s favorite rifle, the AR-15, not to mention semi-auto shotguns, sales numbers suggest that the majority of them have at least one semi-auto rifle or shotgun in their collection. Or perhaps (gasp!) a handgun with a threaded barrel.

We Will Not Comply: Only .1% of Illinois Gun Owners Have Registered Their Newly Banned Guns So Far
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/we-will-not-comply-only-1-of-illinois-gun-owners-have-registered-their-newly-banned-guns-so-far/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on November 03, 2023, 11:36:06 PM
Illinois's gun registration is going well

We Will Not Comply: Only .1% of Illinois Gun Owners Have Registered Their Newly Banned Guns So Far
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/we-will-not-comply-only-1-of-illinois-gun-owners-have-registered-their-newly-banned-guns-so-far/

 >:D What guns?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ron on November 04, 2023, 10:28:30 AM
So happy to be out of there! Unfortunately I'm still too close to Mordor on Lake Michigan.

Even though I was out of Illinoy already my FOID card wasn't expired. Some time later I noticed at the gas station that it had broken in half (cheap card), looked at it, it had just expired as well. Good riddance to bad rubbish, in the garbage it went.

At one point after that I also received a letter in the mail, in Indiana, informing me that it was expired. I'm probably on a list there as one of the gun owners without a FOID who didn't register any weapons.

I agree with the trial balloon, observe and adapt concept above. The ratchet only goes left and never stops with these evil petty tyrants.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 04, 2023, 06:50:46 PM
A couple of stories that came out yesterday afternoon.  I haven't listened to the 7th circuit video yet.

Supreme Court Takes The Bump Stock Case! What's Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppOUdBvptHY

BREAKING: Cargill Gets Cert! SCOTUS Will Decide Bump Stocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXQV2-IIGCE


Breaking!! Seventh Circuit Claims Assault Weapons Bans Are Constitutional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt_x997U2uk
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 05, 2023, 08:25:43 PM
Illinois's gun registration is going well

We Will Not Comply: Only .1% of Illinois Gun Owners Have Registered Their Newly Banned Guns So Far
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/we-will-not-comply-only-1-of-illinois-gun-owners-have-registered-their-newly-banned-guns-so-far/

Ill-annoy residents: don't forget to register your lightsabers:

https://twitter.com/non_fudd/status/1721231908577718656

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-MLTEwXMAAUo6Q?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on November 05, 2023, 08:52:17 PM
Ill-annoy residents: don't forget to register your lightsabers:

https://twitter.com/non_fudd/status/1721231908577718656

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-MLTEwXMAAUo6Q?format=jpg&name=medium)
If it doesn't have a serial number, does that make it a ghost light saber?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 05, 2023, 09:01:35 PM
Does it need a tax stamp?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 05, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 05, 2023, 10:05:21 PM
I lost my lightsaber in a tragic X-wing accident ...
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ron on November 05, 2023, 10:14:33 PM
Indiana hasn't addressed lightsabers but think I lost mine in the carcass of a Tantuan last winter anyway.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Devonai on November 06, 2023, 06:05:55 AM
I lost my lightsaber in a tragic X-wing accident ...

Not everyone has Yoda available to pick up their slack.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 06, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
Don't even think she's going to stop this nonsense

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New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham’s “temporary” public health emergency on gun violence in Albuquerque and Bernalillo County will remain in place for at least another month after she extended her order on Friday, which includes her revised ban on open and concealed carry in parks and playgrounds.

The ban will last until at least December 1st, though it’s quite possible that Grisham will renew the order again at the end of this month, especially since there’s been no real improvement in crime stats in the Albuquerque area.

New Mexico Governor Renews Carry Ban in Parks, Playgrounds
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/11/03/new-mexico-governor-renews-carry-ban-in-parks-playgrounds-n76920
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 06, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
NJ Congressman pushing, again, for a Fed license which includes a written test and training to purchase a gun. License would have to be renewed ever 5 years.

Quote
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Congressman Andy Kim (NJ-03) introduced the Responsible Gun Ownership Licensing Act to require individuals to obtain a firearm license from the Department of Justice (DOJ) in order to purchase or receive a firearm. The legislation is endorsed by VoteVets, an organization that elevates the voices of veterans – a group of Americans who know better than anyone that weapons must be treated with respect and require proper training.

Don't you just love the names they give these bills?

Congressman Kim Reintroduces Legislation to Combat Gun Violence Epidemic
https://kim.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-kim-reintroduces-legislation-to-combat-gun-violence-epidemic

Cory Booker, also NJ, has been pushing a similar bill that adds finger printing.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 06, 2023, 11:25:27 AM
Joy  ;/

Guns and Gadgets video

Federal Appeals Court: AR-15s ARE NOT Covered By 2nd Amendment!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO2ch9-loPY


AP if you can stomach the language

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — A federal appeals court on Friday upheld Illinois’ prohibition on high-power semiautomatic weapons, refusing to put a hold on the law adopted in response to the mass killing of seven people at a 2022 parade in the Chicago suburb of Highland Park.

A three-judge panel of the 7th District U.S. Court of Appeals voted 2-1 on the issue. The majority recognized a difference between firearms for personal use and those the state law reserves for “trained professionals,” semiautomatic weapons, including the popular AR-15.

Federal appeals court upholds Illinois semiautomatic weapons ban
https://apnews.com/article/illinois-semiautomatic-gun-law-9158e2a4c7aed59e5a21cd0974a99cbf
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 06, 2023, 05:53:13 PM
Joy  ;/

Guns and Gadgets video

Federal Appeals Court: AR-15s ARE NOT Covered By 2nd Amendment!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO2ch9-loPY


AP if you can stomach the language
 
Federal appeals court upholds Illinois semiautomatic weapons ban
https://apnews.com/article/illinois-semiautomatic-gun-law-9158e2a4c7aed59e5a21cd0974a99cbf

It was a 3 judge panel so we will see where that goes. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 06, 2023, 11:16:57 PM
It's not really a Second Amendment case but bizarrely the Supreme Court has decided to take the bump stock lawsuit...

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/garland-v-cargill/

It is "is a bump stock a machine gun?" and not "do we have a right to have bump stocks etc?"

They take this, and not all the AW ban cases???
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 07, 2023, 08:58:30 AM
To me, the bump stock case is about federal agency rules rewriting written federal law.  We will see if the SC addresses that.

On Assault Weapon bans, IMO, the Bruen ruling already addressed that.  However, I don't think those have been ruled on at the full appeals court level yet. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on November 07, 2023, 04:26:19 PM
NJ Congressman pushing, again, for a Fed license which includes a written test and training to purchase a gun. License would have to be renewed ever 5 years.

That would be fine IF there was a matching requirement that LEGAL U.S. citizens to pass a competency test to vote.  >:D  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 09, 2023, 11:53:21 AM
Federal Judge Stays Entire ATF Pistol Brace Rule
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/federal-judge-stays-entire-atf-pistol-brace-rule/

Quote
Late Wednesday, a Texas-based Federal District Court judge issued a nationwide stay preventing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from enforcing its rule on pistols equipped with stabilizing devices (2021R-08F).
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2023, 06:09:37 PM
Federal Judge Stays Entire ATF Pistol Brace Rule
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/federal-judge-stays-entire-atf-pistol-brace-rule/

Of course the feds will appeal it, but from everything I read, it has to be done in the 5th, where the stay was executed, and apparently the 5th is NOT a friend of fed.gov, so this might be good.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2023, 09:22:55 AM
Gun control related tangent, since like, way like, too like, many people like, think like real like life is like the movies, and like their boyfriends are like action heroes.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9ZZzmCfCq4Q?feature=share
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 12, 2023, 10:01:29 AM
Federal Judge Stays Entire ATF Pistol Brace Rule
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/federal-judge-stays-entire-atf-pistol-brace-rule/

It is stuff like this from the ATF and other agencies that shows the current administration is doing anything they can to disarm We the Many Persons of this land. It is their sworn duty to protect our rights and freedom. Instead they are trying to defend their power and positions at the expense of our rights and freedom. They should not be trying to prevent a revolution, insurrection, nor a civil war. They should be governing in a manner that MAKES  REVOLUTION, INSURRECTION, OR A CIVIL WAR UNNECESSARY. Period.

Woody
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 13, 2023, 10:49:00 AM
I'm sorry if my question is off-topic, I just don't really know the rules about weapons in your country, especially since they are different in different states.
I just don’t really understand why there is such indignation over possible bans on "assault weapons"?

In what cases might an ordinary civilian need to use assault weapons? Defense, hunting? What other uses are just shooting at the range? Why is a semi-automatic (any, smooth-bore or rifled-bore) insufficient in these applications? Sorry for my little English and ignorance of laws...
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on November 13, 2023, 11:03:19 AM
I'm sorry if my question is off-topic, I just don't really know the rules about weapons in your country, especially since they are different in different states.
I just don’t really understand why there is such indignation over possible bans on "assault weapons"?

In what cases might an ordinary civilian need to use assault weapons? Defense, hunting? What other uses are just shooting at the range? Why is a semi-automatic (any, smooth-bore or rifled-bore) insufficient in these applications? Sorry for my little English and ignorance of laws...
To be clear, in the context of US gun control, "assault weapons" does refer to semi-automatic weapons.  "Assault weapon" in our context simply means modern semi-automatic weapons.  Legal fully automatic weapons are very tightly restricted in the US.

That said, while the risk to the US is currently minimal, it isn't hard to find current examples of nations with relatively stringent gun control who have had recent interactions with particularly unfriendly neighbors.  In those cases it strikes me that having a greater number of modern and effective personal weapons and ammunition dispersed amongst the populace of the victim nation might well have helped against aggressors.

Even if there were no practical purpose to civilians personally owning effective weapons (and I disagree with that assessment), I see a net benefit of living in a nation with the freedom to do so - among a variety of other freedoms.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 13, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
That said, while the risk to the US is currently minimal, it isn't hard to find current examples of nations with relatively stringent gun control who have had recent interactions with particularly unfriendly neighbors.  In those cases it strikes me that having a greater number of modern and effective personal weapons and ammunition dispersed amongst the populace of the victim nation might well have helped against aggressors.

Even if there were no practical purpose to civilians personally owning effective weapons (and I disagree with that assessment), I see a net benefit of living in a nation with the freedom to do so - among a variety of other freedoms.

Freedom is certainly good, but I am primarily interested in practical necessity.
Well, there are ​unfriendly neighbors from whom you need to defend yourself, but is it really necessary to directly bombard such neighbors with machine-gun fire? So you can go as far as the absolute - you can throw grenades at them (just in case), use NLAW, mine the lawn?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
Freedom is certainly good, but I am primarily interested in practical necessity.
Well, there are ​unfriendly neighbors from whom you need to defend yourself, but is it really necessary to directly bombard such neighbors with machine-gun fire? So you can go as far as the absolute - you can throw grenades at them (just in case), use NLAW, mine the lawn?

To be clear, about 98% of the rifles in the United States referred to as "assault weapons" are simply semi-auto rifles - one trigger pull, one bullet. While "machine guns" are legal in many states, there is around a year of paperwork to do with the government (a non-US person might think of it as a license), plus most of them run $10,000 plus.

As for why we might need something like AR-15s, besides many instances in the US of home invasion gangs, we have only to look at what happened in Israel on 07October.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on November 13, 2023, 11:26:47 AM
Freedom is certainly good, but I am primarily interested in practical necessity.
Well, there are ​unfriendly neighbors from whom you need to defend yourself, but is it really necessary to directly bombard such neighbors with machine-gun fire? So you can go as far as the absolute - you can throw grenades at them (just in case), use NLAW, mine the lawn?

Where did you get "machine-gun"?  Real assault rifles are machine guns chambered in an intermediate cartridge, but those for the most part do not exist here; the very few that are in private hands are highly regulated.  What most people called assault rifles are really just semiautomatic rifles with black plastic stocks and could be chambered in just about any cartridge.  People are fixated on the black plastic furniture and totally ignore the actual capabilities (or lack thereof) of the weapon.  I have a Ruger Mini-14 GB with a really pretty walnut stock (most have ugly birch stocks or plastic stocks.)  It looks absolutely nothing like an AR-15, but is functionally the same thing.

Respectfully, you are listening to either dishonest or ignorant people (perhaps both) who are trying to confuse you.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2023, 11:31:32 AM
Respectfully, you are listening to either dishonest or ignorant people (perhaps both) who are trying to confuse you.

In fairness to our new member, he hasn't said where he's from, but lets remember that the US news that makes it to other countries is often predominated by our mainstream media, and those countries' interpretation of that news. They are more likely to see David Hogg quotes as "news" than factual statements on many subjects. I often have to tear my hair out when some of my relatives in Germany Telegram me some ridiculous news story and ask me what the heck is going on in the US.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on November 13, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
In fairness to our new member, he hasn't said where he's from, but lets remember that the US news that makes it to other countries is often predominated by our mainstream media, and those countries' interpretation of that news. They are more likely to see David Hogg quotes as "news" than factual statements on many subjects. I often have to tear my hair out when some of my relatives in Germany Telegram me some ridiculous news story and ask me what the heck is going on in the US.

I thought I was being fair.  :laugh:  I was not critical of "Opportunity" for being misinformed, I was critical of the media spreading misinformation.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2023, 01:07:55 PM
I thought I was being fair.  :laugh:  I was not critical of "Opportunity" for being misinformed, I was critical of the media spreading misinformation.

I wasn't calling you out, just pointing out that our news is often very distorted and "agendized" by the time it makes it to other countries and through translation.  =)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 13, 2023, 01:49:38 PM
Lots of people hunt with "assault weapons" in the US.  For a while, lots of people picked up cheap SKS and AK rifles that were imported in the US and they worked fine for hunting medium sized game (they aren't so cheap anymore).  Semi-auto rifles are not a whole lot more expensive than many bolt action rifle/scope combos.  If I had to go hunting this weekend, I would likely use my Ruger SFAR in 308 failing some specific requirement.  That said, mostly I just enjoy target shooting. 

For home defense, AR's and AK's make very effective weapons and don't over-penetrate any worse than pistols.  And they are capable of dealing with any number of potential home invaders. 

Beyond that, IMO, the people should have the right to own anything the govt does.  IMO, a random person is likely more trustworthy than the govt or politicians in general. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 13, 2023, 02:18:24 PM
For the benefit of our new member...

AR-15 versus M16
The AR-15 is a civilian rifle. It functions in semi-auto fire mode (one shot per pull of the trigger), the same as many other semi-auto rifles on the market. While cosmetically similar to the military M16, it is mechanically very different.

The M16 is a military rifle which has full-auto fire capability. It is available to military and law enforcement only. Yes, there are a few M16 rifles which entered civilian circulation prior to the Gun Control Act of 1986, but they are tightly controlled, require registration, incur a special tax, and are very expensive.

Assault Rifle
Assault Rifle is a non-term, it describes nothing other than to convey a feeling or perception. It is a subjective reference assigned solely due to appearance. There are no objectively defining criteria. It's used by those ignorant of firearms and firearm operation to describe anything with a military or tactical appearance. As an example, the AR-15 and Ruger Mini-14 are functionally identical, yet one is labeled an "assault weapon" and the other isn't. Why? Because of appearance. You may also see the term SBR (Scary Black Rifle) as a tongue-in-cheek reference to those individuals who use "Assault Weapon" to describe any rifle other than bolt- or lever-action, especially if it's black and has rails or accessory attachment points.

Brad
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on November 13, 2023, 02:36:10 PM
Freedom is certainly good, but I am primarily interested in practical necessity.
Personally, I don't see practical necessity as particularly meaningful as far as establishing restrictions in a free society.

What is the practical necessity of having a vehicle that can drive faster than the speed limit?  What is the practical necessity of having a book which describes things that the government doesn't like?  What is the practical necessity of allowing public musical concerts?  I'd ask that you justify the practical necessity of your own clothing selection.  Couldn't you survive with a couple of sets of coveralls?

Well, there are ​unfriendly neighbors from whom you need to defend yourself, but is it really necessary to directly bombard such neighbors with machine-gun fire? So you can go as far as the absolute - you can throw grenades at them (just in case), use NLAW, mine the lawn?
As has been said over and over (including in the post you were replying to) legal machine guns, are very tightly restricted, very expensive, and quite rare.  Likewise (but even more-so) with destructive devices like grenades, NLAWs, and land mines.

If you're asking what I think should be allowed, that's a different conversation. 

The weapons that are called by US politicians "assault weapons" are nothing more than modern semi-automatic rifles and handguns.  So, as it pertains to your intitial post in this thread, people are indignant over the government wanting to ban modern semi-automatic weapons because - as you yourself noted - those semi-automatic weapons are useful tools for a wide variety of activities from self-defense to hunting to recreation.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 13, 2023, 03:23:45 PM
I'm sorry if my question is off-topic, I just don't really know the rules about weapons in your country, especially since they are different in different states.
I just don’t really understand why there is such indignation over possible bans on "assault weapons"?


No, that is a great question.

You would not know it by listening to court decisions, but the primary purpose of the Second Amendment not to use to shoot criminals, or to hunt animals.  It is to prevent the Federal Government from becoming tyrannical.

In the American Colonies, and in the early USA, we had a militia system for most of our military force... that is, all free able bodied men were required by law to own a gun, ammunition, and a bayonet.  If you didn't own one, you would be fined, and the money would be used to buy guns for the poor so they could do their militia duty.  The militia would meet a few times a year for drilling.  This was our primary force for defense against the Indians (and the French).  Militia aren't that great, obviously, when compared to a professional, but we lots and lots of them, and they could be fielded anywhere rapidly.  When the Second Amendment refers to the militia is talking about basically everybody, not a small group of people, not professionals.

When the colonies and England started having disputes, the British sent their military to confiscate the guns, cannons, shot and powder of the militia (that is, of ordinary people).  This infuriated the Americans so much, we shot back... and thus the American Revolution started.  It didn't start with politicians signing a document, or making some state.  Regular people shot soldiers trying to take their guns away.  That's it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

In the American Revolution, militias were inferior to professional troops, but we would not have won without them... they won several major battles (including the Battle of King's Mountain), and they were available in huge numbers, when the professional soliders were not.

After we won the Revolution, patriots remembered how the professional British Military had been used to repress the people, and they wanted to be sure that would never happen with the military forces of the USA... hence the Second Amendment was written, to ensure that the government would never disarm the people.... when the people are well armed with guns they know how to, and are willing to use, it is difficult to oppress them.

Everything in the Constition establishes checks and balances, to make sure no one group has too much power.  The Senate versus the House of Representatives... the President versus the legislature... the Supreme Court can check both of these.  Well, the Second Amendment provides a check on the power of the USA's professional military:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Here is probably the most re-printed explanation of this amendment, published during the ratification period:

As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
Tench Coxe

What weapons are protected?  Military ones, as literally all courts and commenators who opined on the issue noted, until the 20th century:

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
Tench Coxe, again

The militia system is no longer organized like it used to (a modern equivalent would be similar to the Swiss Militia System)... it fell apart about the time of the civil war...

The "unorganized militia" still exists in US law- all abled bodied men with weapons... and this makes it much more difficult for a maligant government to oppress people, knowing that they have the ability to shoot back.

Semi-automatic rifles are the only weapons readily available in the USA that has potential military use... that is one reason the democrats want to ban, them, and why we have a right to own them.

In reality, Americans have a right to own any gun used by our military, and our current ban on real assault rifles (machine guns) is blatantly unconstitutional, but the courts won't acknowledge this.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 13, 2023, 04:37:18 PM
In fairness to our new member, he hasn't said where he's from, but lets remember that the US news that makes it to other countries is often predominated by our mainstream media, and those countries' interpretation of that news.

If anything, I'm from Russia. I'm a hunter and guns owner, and I'm certainly interested in what the rules are in US, where gun laws have existed for hundreds of years.
I thank those who responded - approximate meaning is clear…
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 13, 2023, 05:35:34 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2023, 05:55:47 PM
Welcome to the forum.
Never be shy about asking questions.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 13, 2023, 06:00:39 PM
Prior to 1934 (passage of the National Firearms Act), there were very few gun laws in the US.  Prior to that, you could mail order a machine gun to your house along with just about any other weapon.  During the 1920's and 1930's (post WWI), there was a big push in Europe (and later in the US) to restrict or ban ownership of firearms.  Most of Europe enacted registration and other restrictions.  The big result of that in the US was the National Firearms Act of 1934.  That required registration of machine guns which included a tax stamp that was priced very high for the time. 

There have been other laws passed since then, but that was once of the first.  Prior to 1934, there were some restrictions here and there, but mostly designed to prevent the poor and minorities from owning guns.  The first gun control ever passed in the US was to prevent black slaves from owning guns.

I am sure someone will correct me and add on to this.   =)

And I agree.  It is a good question and something we should revisit every now and then.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2023, 06:04:26 PM
Okay folks, how about this?

Quote
Eric Lipton
@EricLiptonNYT
NYT: Army Ammunition Plant Is Tied to Mass Shootings Across the U.S.

The site was built for the military, but commercial sales are booming with little public accountability.
https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/1723683381718696204

The main article. I think it's suppose to behind a paywall, maybe, but it came right up for me

Army Ammunition Plant Is Tied to Mass Shootings Across the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/army-ammunition-factory-shootings.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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The initials stand for the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. Built during World War II, the federal site, in Independence, Mo., has made nearly all the rifle cartridges used by the U.S. military since it pulled out of Vietnam.

In recent years, the factory has also pumped billions of rounds of military-grade ammunition into the commercial market, an investigation by The New York Times found, leaving the “LC” signature scattered across crime scenes, including the sites of some of the nation’s most heinous mass shootings.

The plant, operated by a private contractor with Army oversight, is now one of the country’s biggest manufacturers of commercial rounds for the popular AR-15, and it remains so even as the United States supplies ammunition to Ukraine.

The rest of the article basically go on about how the US govt is provides ammo for murder using mass murders to sell more ammo.
It's pretty long winded, which is typical NYT, and that's probably an understatement.

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2023, 06:19:49 PM
Bearing Arms has a break down of the above NYT article if you don't want to lose brain cells reading it.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/11/13/next-gun-control-fight-likely-to-target-ammo-n77217
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 14, 2023, 09:45:14 AM
If anything, I'm from Russia. I'm a hunter and guns owner, and I'm certainly interested in what the rules are in US, where gun laws have existed for hundreds of years.

Can you tell us about how to own guns in Russia?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 15, 2023, 02:37:49 AM
Can you tell us about how to own guns in Russia?

In Russia everything is quite simple, of course - there are many more restrictions than in US.
Firstly, guns (sorry - am I writing correctly, I mean pistols?) are completely prohibited. You can buy any gun, but you can only store and use it at a shooting range, you cannot store it at home or in your car.
Secondly, there is a fairly clear distinction between shotguns and rifles. I mean weapons with rifled barrels (is it better to say a carbine or a rifle?). Moreover, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a single-shot weapon or a semi-automatic weapon; what’s more important is whether it’s a smooth-bore weapon or a rifled one.
A person who buys a weapon for the first time can only buy a smooth-bore weapon first. There can be a maximum of 5 such weapons. At the same time, the owner can buy a rifled weapon only after 5 years of experience in owning a smooth-bore weapon.
After 5 years, the owner can buy any rifled weapon (no more than 5 units), except fully automatic ones. Thus, you can own a maximum of 5 units of smoothbore weapons (shotguns and stuff) + 5 units of rifled weapons (except fully automatic and guns). These rules are uniform throughout the entire territory (regardless of state or region).

P.S. I forgot - a couple of years ago they also introduced a restriction that the first smooth-bore weapon cannot be semi-automatic - you also need 2 years of experience.

P.P.S. If you are interested, I can tell you later what the hunting rules are in Russia.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2023, 06:44:16 AM
Opportunity,

How many pistols do you think there still are in Russia though?  When I was in Moscow in 1993 it was trivially easy for a 14 year old American to get a pistol,  and several of the clubs I went to had places to check weapons at the door. No one was even hiding it.

Pistols were "illegal " than as well, but pretty common.  Has that changed in the intervening decades?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 15, 2023, 09:41:08 AM
How many pistols do you think there still are in Russia though?  When I was in Moscow in 1993 it was trivially easy for a 14 year old American to get a pistol,  and several of the clubs I went to had places to check weapons at the door. No one was even hiding it.

Pistols were "illegal " than as well, but pretty common.  Has that changed in the intervening decades?
In the 90s, the criminal situation in Russia certainly flourished - yes, there were a lot of illegal weapons. Now a normal order has been established in this regard.
Of course, some weapons still remain illegal, but I don’t think they are comparable to the legal weapons available. Legal weapons in Russia (I don’t remember exactly, but I think 6-7 million per 140 million population) are quite small compared to US, for example.
As for pistols specifically - so-called weapons of limited destruction are allowed - maybe you have met such pistols in clubs? I don't know what exactly to call it, but these are pistols that shoot rubber bullets - they are allowed to be freely carried and stored (but you also need to have a license for them).
Personally, my opinion regarding them is sharply negative because... this is an “impersonal” weapon that does not have normal destructive power, but which can cripple (and even kill) while leaving no traces, because there are no rifling in the barrel.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2023, 09:59:50 AM
Nah the one's I ran into were Soviet era Tokarevs and Makarovs mostly.  It was a PM that my Host told me how to obtain before I went galivanting around Moscow.  Not a rubber bullet in sight.

That said, I also absolutely didn't need it, I had no issues at all while I was there.  And as you say, the 90's were a different time in Russia.  All those pistols didn't dissolve into thin air however.  it makes you wonder how many guns are tucked away in boxes in attics and under beds.


As a side note: it's a real shame our governments seem so intent on being rivals and enemies, because I really enjoyed my time in Russia, and got along great with every Russian I met.  Our cultures are really more similar than they are different.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 15, 2023, 10:52:15 AM
Firstly, guns (sorry - am I writing correctly, I mean pistols?) are completely prohibited. You can buy any gun, but you can only store and use it at a shooting range, you cannot store it at home or in your car.
Secondly, there is a fairly clear distinction between shotguns and rifles. I mean weapons with rifled barrels (is it better to say a carbine or a rifle?).

A quick guide to assist you with how firearms terms are commonly used in the U.S. You're probably already familiar with a lot of the terminology below, so most of this may be redundant.

Firearm covers all categories of weapons.

Long gun is used as a general reference for all non-handgun weaponry, both rifles and shotguns.

Handgun is broken into single shot, revolver, and semi-auto. Single shot and revolver are self-evident. Semi-auto gets sticky at times due to a change in how term pistol has been used over the decades. You will see the terms pistol and semi-auto used interchangeably even though the former technically denotes a category of firearm and the latter an action type. The historic term of "pistol" is  synonymous with "handgun", meaning any weapon designed for one-hand use. In modern parlance it has evolved to denote a semi-auto handgun. Unfortunately, there is a lot of debate over the term's proper use so don't be surprise if it comes up and the debate becomes spirited. I will spare you the agony and simply leave it in broad terms. I will also intentionally not delve into the world of single action and double action, as that is an entire discussion of its own.

Rifles are usually referred to by their action type - lever, bolt, semi-automatic, etc. "Carbine" is typically used to denote a shorter version of an existing rifle. Example, a Winchester Model 1892 Carbine is a shorter-barreled version of the standard Winchester Model 1892 rifle. As with pistol, the term often gets used as a general reference to any compact long gun rather than in it's more correct context.

Shotgun generally refers to any smoothbore long gun designed for shotshells, though some handguns will also accept shotgun shells. Shotguns generally come in three categories - single shot (or "breakover"), pump, and semi-auto.

Keep in mind these are all general-use scenarios. The English language's diversity is great for use as a tool to describe things, but the diversity also means it is easily morphed, warped, and bastardized in common use.  How firearms terms are used in casual conversation varies almost endlessly, mostly based on historic use in a given region. That said, the above should work fine for you in the vast majority of situations.

Brad
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 15, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Here is a good general reference to gun laws and their history in the US as well as some general gun info.

https://guncite.com/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 15, 2023, 11:29:45 AM
Let me see if I understand this, Opportunity- you cannot keep one of your own rifles or shotguns at home?

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2023, 12:27:51 PM
In the 90s, the criminal situation in Russia certainly flourished - yes, there were a lot of illegal weapons. Now a normal order has been established in this regard.
Of course, some weapons still remain illegal, but I don’t think they are comparable to the legal weapons available. Legal weapons in Russia (I don’t remember exactly, but I think 6-7 million per 140 million population) are quite small compared to US, for example.
As for pistols specifically - so-called weapons of limited destruction are allowed - maybe you have met such pistols in clubs? I don't know what exactly to call it, but these are pistols that shoot rubber bullets - they are allowed to be freely carried and stored (but you also need to have a license for them).
Personally, my opinion regarding them is sharply negative because... this is an “impersonal” weapon that does not have normal destructive power, but which can cripple (and even kill) while leaving no traces, because there are no rifling in the barrel.

I would agree that non-lethal weapons are often pretty dangerous.  Some people seem to have a mistaken idea that that everything is okay if no one dies.  They don't seem to care if someone is crippled or maimed. 

Also, IMO the value of rifling marks on bullets for tracing is pretty limited.  There are a great many ways for a criminal to avoid that issue and "matching" rifling to a specific gun is very difficult if not impossible. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 17, 2023, 07:51:50 AM
A quick guide to assist you with how firearms terms are commonly used in the U.S. You're probably already familiar with a lot of the terminology below, so most of this may be redundant.

Thank you

Here is a good general reference to gun laws and their history in the US as well as some general gun info.

interesting resource, although very complex

Also, IMO the value of rifling marks on bullets for tracing is pretty limited.  There are a great many ways for a criminal to avoid that issue and "matching" rifling to a specific gun is very difficult if not impossible. 

All rifled firearms (rifles and carbines) undergo test shooting upon sale and all data is stored in a special file cabinet at the police. Based on these marks (rifled barrel) on the bullet and cartridge case, you can always determine the owner. This is why I always vote for owning handgun with a rifled barrel (you can always determine who fired, i.e. the shooter will understand responsibility).

Let me see if I understand this, Opportunity- you cannot keep one of your own rifles or shotguns at home?

No, on the contrary - you can keep up to 5 shotguns + up to 5 carbines at home.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 17, 2023, 09:41:18 AM
All rifled firearms (rifles and carbines) undergo test shooting upon sale and all data is stored in a special file cabinet at the police. Based on these marks (rifled barrel) on the bullet and cartridge case, you can always determine the owner. This is why I always vote for owning handgun with a rifled barrel (you can always determine who fired, i.e. the shooter will understand responsibility).

Unfortunately, history has proven cartridge databases and projectile rifling analysis to be a poor resource. Not only do mechanical interfaces (rifling, chambers, breech faces, and firing pins, etc) wear with use, they can be easily and quickly disfigured with any sharp metal object. Five minutes with metal polish and a steel brush will permanently alter factory rifling enough to completely negate physical comparisons. While forensic bullet analysis remains a common trope in media, entertainment, and general perceptions, along with being trumpeted by law enforcement, in practical application it gives, at best, inconsistent and unreliable results.

Brad
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 17, 2023, 11:52:53 AM
Another question for you Opportunity... somewhere I read that in Russia high capacity firearm magazines and silencers/suppressors are technically illegal, but there was no penalty for possession, so they they are available anyway.

I thought that sounded really weird.

True or false?

Anyway, if you feel like answering, what sorts of firearms do you own?  What shooting sports do you do?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 19, 2023, 12:33:16 AM

https://bearingarms.com/ranjit-singh/2023/11/18/a-well-outfitted-militia-german-translation-of-the-second-amendment-offers-insight-n77406

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This article seeks to uncover the original public meaning of the Second Amendment by scrutinizing unusual and previously unexamined sources: German–American translations of the Bill of Rights during the Founding Era.

Turns out that people translating the amendment understood it to mean exactly what us crazy gun nuts think it means today.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 19, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
We know a family of Ukrainian refugees.  The husband of the family has an interest in firearms, and has some experience target shooting back home (makarov, shotgun, AK, and he described an integrally suppressed makarov- maybe the PB pistol?).  Anyway, he was interested in seeing some of my guns, which I was happy to do... he particularly enjoyed seeing the mak again.

Anyway, the most fun part of the exchange was his incredulity when I told him there was no gun licensing, permits, registration, and next to no regulation of private transfers... and in most of the USA you could carry a pistol with no permit.   :lol:

I explained the Second Amendment to him, and I hope I did it justice.  We are planning on having him go shooting with my family this Christmas.... and he wants a Glock and a Nagant revolver.  We haven't been able to figure out if his legal status will let him buy guns though.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2023, 09:33:47 AM
https://bearingarms.com/ranjit-singh/2023/11/18/a-well-outfitted-militia-german-translation-of-the-second-amendment-offers-insight-n77406

Turns out that people translating the amendment understood it to mean exactly what us crazy gun nuts think it means today.

I guess that's confirmation that if you want to understand what someone meant in the 18th Century, you should refer to an 18th Century dictionary, regardless of language.

I think in the modern German, the 2nd creates the same controversy on meaning as it does in English. Interestingly, I threw it into Google translate, which often mangles German translations. Using the entire phrase, "well-regulated" translates as "well-organized", while translating only "well regulated" translates to "well-regulated".

If you asked me, with no reference, to translate only "well-regulated" into German, I would translate it as "well-regulated", as that's the modern conversion. Again, that's why you need to understand usage at the time. Interestingly, Google translated "shall not be infringed" into "must not be violated".
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Tuco on November 19, 2023, 11:32:47 AM
Thank you

I'm new to this thread and see we have a new member.
Hello, Opportunity!   I appreciate your questions, the information you've shared, and am happy you are here. Please make yourself at home and enjoy the forum.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Opportunity on November 20, 2023, 03:17:37 AM
Another question for you Opportunity... somewhere I read that in Russia high capacity firearm magazines and silencers/suppressors are technically illegal, but there was no penalty for possession, so they they are available anyway.

Anyway, if you feel like answering, what sorts of firearms do you own?  What shooting sports do you do?

The maximum magazine capacity on any civilian firearms is no more than 10 cartriges. The only exceptions are sports shooting (for example, IPCS), where, depending on the class, the capacity of the cartridge magazine may not be limited. As for silencers, silencers are prohibited, but there are many types of so-called "sound moderators" on sale (allowed), although it seems to me that any sound moderator is essentially a silencer)) so there is a very fine line here. I used a silencer only when hunting hares.
I do very little sports shooting, sometimes I go to skeet shooting, but very rarely, 1500 cartridges have been lying idle for a year))
Mainly hunting. As for my firearms, I’d better tell you in a separate post (if the respected society allows).
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 20, 2023, 09:45:23 AM
As for my firearms, I’d better tell you in a separate post (if the respected society allows).

Thank you.

Yes, of course we allow!
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on November 21, 2023, 07:15:37 PM
Good news for Maryland: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4321243-federal-appeals-court-strikes-maryland-handgun-rule/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2023, 07:19:43 PM
And now Oregon

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Measure 114, which passed by a slim margin, would require anyone who wants to purchase a firearm to take a safety course and pass a test to receive a permit to make the purchase. It also requires a completed background check for purchases and bans magazines holding over 10 rounds of ammunition.

Raschio said all of those provisions are unconstitutional.

Oregon judge rules that voter-approved Measure 114 gun safety law violates the state constitution
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/21/oregon-supreme-court-gun-law-firearms-measure-114-harney-county/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2023, 08:12:26 PM
And now Oregon

Oregon judge rules that voter-approved Measure 114 gun safety law violates the state constitution
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/21/oregon-supreme-court-gun-law-firearms-measure-114-harney-county/

Harney County is super duper conservative. The state appears to be filing an appeal. I don't know how those work jurisdiction-wise. If it ends up in Multnomah County, the appeal will certainly be obliged. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 21, 2023, 10:38:50 PM

I explained the Second Amendment to him, and I hope I did it justice.  We are planning on having him go shooting with my family this Christmas.... and he wants a Glock and a Nagant revolver.  We haven't been able to figure out if his legal status will let him buy guns though.

What is his status? If he has a green card, he can buy guns. If he doesn't have a green card, technically he's not supposed to touch a firearm.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on November 21, 2023, 11:09:52 PM
What is his status? If he has a green card, he can buy guns. If he doesn't have a green card, technically he's not supposed to touch a firearm.

Then there are states like IL-ANNOY that you aren't supposed to handle firearms OR ammo without the FOID card, regardless of status.  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on November 22, 2023, 12:06:38 PM
What is his status? If he has a green card, he can buy guns. If he doesn't have a green card, technically he's not supposed to touch a firearm.

Not really true.  Tourists to the USA can rent guns at a shooting range.

Some can even buy guns.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/federal-firearms-licensees/quick-reference-sheet-for-non-u.s.-citizens-purchasing-a-firearm.pdf
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2023, 08:19:00 AM
I'm shocked that the manifesto wasn't suppressed.

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The shooter wrote in his notebook that he targeted  “upper class white people” and wanted the attack to spur gun control.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/23/louisville-mass-shooter-targeted-upper-class-white-people-to-spur-gun-control-n2390105
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2023, 08:27:32 AM
I'm shocked that the manifesto wasn't suppressed.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/23/louisville-mass-shooter-targeted-upper-class-white-people-to-spur-gun-control-n2390105

Much of that was released within a few days of the shooting including the doing it for gun control bit, difference is they've now released the whole rambling thing.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JN01 on November 24, 2023, 02:53:18 PM
Lefties are trying an attack on the Second Amendment from another angle- ammunition restrictions.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s3223/text

It would require background checks for ammo purchases and restricting the sale to no more than 1000 rounds (or 100 rounds of .50 caliber) within 5 days.

“We have a moral responsibility to treat gun violence in this country like the crisis it is,” said Senator Elizabeth Warren. “The Ammunition Modernization and Monitoring Oversight (AMMO) Act is a common-sense step to restrict ammunition sales, strengthen federal oversight of those sales, and help end the epidemic of gun violence in America.”

I'm sure it would be just as effective as all the other gun control laws are.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Lefties are trying an attack on the Second Amendment from another angle- ammunition restrictions.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/s3223/text

It would require background checks for ammo purchases and restricting the sale to no more than 1000 rounds (or 100 rounds of .50 caliber) within 5 days.

“We have a moral responsibility to treat gun violence in this country like the crisis it is,” said Senator Elizabeth Warren. “The Ammunition Modernization and Monitoring Oversight (AMMO) Act is a common-sense step to restrict ammunition sales, strengthen federal oversight of those sales, and help end the epidemic of gun violence in America.”

I'm sure it would be just as effective as all the other gun control laws are.

These scare me more than ban talk, because there are a lot of (maybe most?) gunowners that think 1000 rounds is a lot, and who would say, "this is reasonable". Then we're right back on that slippery slope where they'll later say, "500 rounds", then every month, then every year.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2023, 06:36:34 PM
I haven't made a ammo purchase under 1000rds in like 5 years.

If you buy in cases. And for more than 1 caliber, you hit that easy.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: RocketMan on November 25, 2023, 09:43:28 AM
This is just another ploy to make life difficult for law abiding gun owners.  This legislation is not aimed at the bad guys.  Bad guys don't buy ammo in thousand round lots.
While some gun control legislation is virtue signaling to garner votes, most is aimed at disarming law abiding Americans because our congress critter betters are afraid of us. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 25, 2023, 09:48:51 AM
This is just another ploy to make life difficult for law abiding gun owners.  This legislation is not aimed at the bad guys.  While some gun control legislation is virtue signaling to garner votes, most is aimed at disarming law abiding Americans because our congress critter betters are afraid of us.

I don't know if I recall any mass shooter (maybe the guy in Vegas?) having more than 1000 rounds on them or in their home after a search. That's why I think this is a slippery slope. I'm only being partially jackassy saying this will end up with ten round mags and ten rounds of ammo for the law-abiding.

I'm guessing the gangbangers use very little ammo, mostly carrying whatever fits in the gun, or maybe what came in the gun when they bought it on the street corner. Maybe the switch guys shoot more for fun.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 27, 2023, 05:46:16 PM
Good news for Maryland: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4321243-federal-appeals-court-strikes-maryland-handgun-rule/

State police say they will continue to enforce the law anyway at least until the federal court issues a mandate.

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Maryland State Police will continue enforcing the state's handgun law for now, despite a federal appeals court ruling that the licensing requirement is unconstitutional.

"At this time, the HQL law remains in effect and there are no immediate changes in the process to purchase a firearm in Maryland," the department wrote in an agency-wide advisory after last week's ruling.

Police in this blue state will continue enforcing ‘draconian’ handgun law ruled unconstitutional by court
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/police-blue-state-continue-enforcing-draconian-handgun-law-ruled-unconstitutional-court
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 29, 2023, 11:35:52 AM
Wow, 56
Would like to see more info on the 56

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BOSTON - Massachusetts lawmakers listened to testimony on 56 bills related to firearms Tuesday as the Senate President has vowed to have a gun reform package on Governor Maura Healey's desk by the end of the session.

The bills ranged from a ban on firearm silencers to more relaxed gun laws, even one bill which would ban carrying a firearm while riding an ATV. The bills also included more language to crack down on so-called ghost guns, untraceable firearms that are made at home.
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rgency for a reform package comes amid recent violence, such as the mass shooting which took the lives of 18 people in Lewiston, Maine. It also comes after a Supreme Court decision which struck down a New York state law monitoring where guns are permitted.

Massachusetts' House of Representatives has already passed a gun reform bill. It includes a crackdown on ghost guns and the requirement for some key gun components to be serialized. It also prevents people from carrying guns into someone else's home without their permission and bans the purchase of new AR-style firearms.

The Senate is expected to pass its own gun bill in 2024.
Massachusetts lawmakers hear testimony on 56 bills in push for gun reform
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-lawmakers-56-firearms-bills-gun-reform/

There are 56 gun bills before the Mass. Legislature. Here's what's next for them.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/politics/2023-11-27/there-are-56-gun-bills-before-the-mass-legislature-heres-whats-next-for-them

Guns and Gadgets is on it

 You Can't Make This Up! 56 Firearm Related Bills!! 56!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6lTzlTKMzI

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on November 29, 2023, 11:51:06 AM
These scare me more than ban talk, because there are a lot of (maybe most?) gunowners that think 1000 rounds is a lot, and who would say, "this is reasonable". Then we're right back on that slippery slope where they'll later say, "500 rounds", then every month, then every year.
The other side of that is how do they enforce it?  If you buy a 500 round case, do you have to show that you fired them all before you buy more?

It is either a big mess for compliance or something they never look at unless they are searching your house for something else then add it on to the list of charges. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 01:52:57 PM
Would ban gas operated guns among other things and includes the usual 10rd mag limit.

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In an interview this week with the Portland Press Herald, King said the GOSAFE Act is a more effective approach because gun manufacturers can get around bans on specific weapons by slightly altering guns and building new models. King said the approach taken by the GOSAFE Act took years of work collaborating with Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-New Mexico, the bill’s other primary sponsor, to close loopholes to ensure that gun manufacturers would have to comply.

Sen. King unveils legislation to restrict deadliness of assault weapons
https://www.pressherald.com/2023/11/30/sen-king-unveils-legislation-to-restrict-deadliness-of-assault-weapons/

 Democrats introducing bill regulating mechanisms of rapid-firing weapons
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4335307-senate-democrats-bill-regulating-rapid-firing-weapons/

Guns and Gadgets video

BREAKING: LIVE Announcement of Major Gun Control Bill To Ban Gas Operated Rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skleUCK1Oso

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 02:03:43 PM
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    The GOSAFE Act regulates firearms based on the inherently dangerous and unusual lethality of their internal mechanisms, as opposed to focusing on cosmetic features that manufacturers can easily modify.
    If enacted, the bill would regulate the sale, transfer, and manufacture of gas-operated semi-automatic weapons by:
        Establishing a list of prohibited firearms;
        Preventing unlawful modifications of permissible firearms;
        Mandating that future gas-operated designs are approved before manufacture; and
        Preventing unlawful firearm self-assembly and manufacturing.

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Exemptions include:

    .22 caliber rimfire or less firearms
    Bolt action rifles
    Semi-automatic shotguns
    Recoil-operated handguns
    Any rifle with a permanently fixed magazine of 10 rounds or less
    Any shotgun with a permanently fixed magazine of 10 rounds or less
    Any handgun with a permanently fixed magazine of 15 rounds or less

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Protects Americans’ Second Amendment Right

    The GOSAFE Act protects Americans’ constitutional right to own a gun based on a firearm’s established use for self-defense, hunting or sporting purposes.
    The GOSAFE Act accomplishes this by including exemptions based on maximum ammunition capacity according to a firearm’s individual class: a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.
    This capacity must be “permanently fixed” meaning the firearm cannot accept a detachable, high-capacity magazine that would increase the number of rounds that can be fired before reloading and make reloading easier.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/major-federal-gun-ban-introduced-gosafe-act/

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 02:20:01 PM
So yeah.....
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on November 30, 2023, 02:39:13 PM
Make the G3 Great Again.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 03:17:33 PM
Make the G3 Great Again.

Yep and most PCCs
Pretty much anything blowback, delayed blowback and recoil operated.

He said they worked on this for years. Riiiiight, wink wink
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on November 30, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Would ban gas operated guns among other things and includes the usual 10rd mag limit.

Sen. King unveils legislation to restrict deadliness of assault weapons
https://www.pressherald.com/2023/11/30/sen-king-unveils-legislation-to-restrict-deadliness-of-assault-weapons/

 Democrats introducing bill regulating mechanisms of rapid-firing weapons
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4335307-senate-democrats-bill-regulating-rapid-firing-weapons/

Guns and Gadgets video

BREAKING: LIVE Announcement of Major Gun Control Bill To Ban Gas Operated Rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skleUCK1Oso

As the attempt to kill guns by a thousand cuts continues. It is always something

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/major-federal-gun-ban-introduced-gosafe-act/
(https://cdn-kfnoj.nitrocdn.com/ILCCnYxtsGmZGyBtowSYmImHKsJVcxJe/assets/images/optimized/rev-ce89211/www.gunsamerica.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/GOSAFE-Regulation-flow-chart-9.jpg.webp)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 30, 2023, 03:24:36 PM
"smooth bore rifle"   ;/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on November 30, 2023, 03:46:25 PM
"smooth bore rifle"   ;/

Well, I guess that means you can have a machine gun with a 200 round drum as long as it's a smoothbore.  =D
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 30, 2023, 04:05:11 PM
There are a number of issues with that flowchart.  For example, asking if the firearm is gas operated, and if yes, then asking if it is recoil-operated.

Also, the wording of "sale, manufacture and transfer of the firearm is not regulated"  Really?  No 4473?  No background check?  Interstate private-party transfers are OK? Cool.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
I missed this

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According to a summary of the bill provided by King’s office, magazines must be “permanently fixed, meaning the firearm cannot accept a detachable, high-capacity magazine that would increase the number of rounds that can be fired before reloading and make reloading easier.”
What's Inside the Senate's Latest 'Assault Weapons' Bill? Nothing But Bad News for Gun Owners
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/11/30/assault-weapon-bill-2-n77874
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 06:16:11 PM
BTW: What's a breach loading rifle, shotgun, or handgun?

if they exempt breach (breech) and muzzle loading firearms that makes the evil AR-15 and pretty much every other firearm exempt

Yeah, they spend years working on this.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
And I just noticed they want to make make unlawful modifications illegal as well as make "machine gun" conversion devices which are already illegal illegal

The more you examine this thing the dumber it gets.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Devonai on December 02, 2023, 05:07:28 PM
According to Gun Jesus, the actual text of the bill bans all semi-autos.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2023, 09:29:30 AM
Apparently this guy popped up in my youtube recommendations because of the 18 years old for handguns thing, since his motto seems to be "no guns under 21". He's almost entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/88uh3YOKEZg?feature=share
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 12:04:42 PM
According to Gun Jesus, the actual text of the bill bans all semi-autos.

When I get a moment I need to dig into the bill I think there may be disconnect between the flowchart and the actual bill

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 12:23:27 PM
Here's Chucky Schumer

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Chuck Schumer
@SenSchumer
This week, I will put the Assault Weapons Ban on the Senate floor.

After I led the passage of the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban 30 years ago, America saw a decrease in mass shootings and gun deaths.

We must stand with the American people and against the gun lobby.
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1731828970335695108

Guns and Gadets video

BREAKING NEWS: US Senate To Force Vote On Assault Weapons Ban & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGspw8AcVBA
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 05:50:07 PM
And remember that New Mexico mess?

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The litigation is still ongoing, and as it turns out, so is the governor’s “temporary” declaration. After renewing her public health order in October and November, the governor has once again declared the carry ban will remain in effect at least through the end of the year.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/04/new-mexico-governors-never-ending-emergency-on-guns-n78004

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/temporary-e203bf2c4f.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 06:14:45 PM
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Liberal activists are planning to sue the board of a major US gun manufacturer, alleging that the company’s sale and promotion of AR-15 rifles violated its fiduciary duty and exposed shareholders to unnecessary liability.

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The plaintiffs, including anti-gun activist Sister Judy Byron, are calling for companies to review their operations and take action on public safety concerns related to gun violence. (Trending: Tucker Reveals The Moment He Became A Full-Blown Trump Supporter)

The lawsuit follows pressure on other gun manufacturers to develop safer guns.

Liberal activist shareholders allege that the board of Smith & Wesson “knowingly allowed the Company to become exposed to significant liability for intentionally violating federal, state, and local laws through its manufacturing, marketing, and sales of AR-15 style rifles and similar semiautomatic firearms.”

Liberal Activist Shareholders Set To Sue Smith & Wesson As Part Of ESG Push To Cripple Gun Manufacturers
https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2023/12/717578/

Getting some conflicting info on just who these people are.

Catholic nuns sue Smith & Wesson to halt its assault-style weapons sales
https://www.reuters.com/legal/catholic-nuns-sue-smith-wesson-halt-its-assault-style-weapons-sales-2023-12-05/

Activist Nuns, With Stake in Smith & Wesson, Sue Gun Maker Over AR-15 Rifles
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/activist-nuns-with-stake-in-smith-wesson-sue-gun-maker-over-ar-15-rifles-40759544

And found this about Sister Judy Byron mentioned in the main article

How a Seattle nun led a shareholder revolt against gun makers
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-seattle-nun-led-shareholder-revolt-against-gun-makers-n915006

Honesty she sounds more woke communist than Catholic
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on December 05, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
I wonder how many of those people bought the stock before S&W made those products. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
I wonder how many of those people bought the stock before S&W made those products.

My thinking is that they bought it with the intention of pulling this.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 06, 2023, 09:10:11 AM
Would ban gas operated guns among other things and includes the usual 10rd mag limit.

Sen. King unveils legislation to restrict deadliness of assault weapons
https://www.pressherald.com/2023/11/30/sen-king-unveils-legislation-to-restrict-deadliness-of-assault-weapons/

 Democrats introducing bill regulating mechanisms of rapid-firing weapons
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4335307-senate-democrats-bill-regulating-rapid-firing-weapons/

Guns and Gadgets video

BREAKING: LIVE Announcement of Major Gun Control Bill To Ban Gas Operated Rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skleUCK1Oso



Here's Chucky Schumer
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1731828970335695108

Guns and Gadets video

BREAKING NEWS: US Senate To Force Vote On Assault Weapons Ban & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGspw8AcVBA

Update, supposedly going up for a vote today.

Guns and Gadet video
 BIG UPDATE: New Assault Weapons Ban Vote Attempt Will Happen TODAY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ZXMJ4HXLo

NSSF Responds to Schumer's Planned Gun Ban Vote
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/05/nssf-responds-to-schumers-planned-gun-ban-vote-n78052

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The National Shooting Sports Foundation’s Larry Keane calls Chuck Schumer’s announcement of an imminent vote on the GOSAFE Act a political stunt, but says the bill should still be seen as a legitimate threat to our Second Amendment rights.

Not giving this a super high chance of passing but still will be interesting who vote YA or NAY. Add toi that I don't trust any of them.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2023, 12:52:15 PM
Illinois's gun registration is going well

We Will Not Comply: Only .1% of Illinois Gun Owners Have Registered Their Newly Banned Guns So Far
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/we-will-not-comply-only-1-of-illinois-gun-owners-have-registered-their-newly-banned-guns-so-far/

Update
Jan 1 is just around the corner

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So far, gun owners in the Land of Lincoln appear to have been resistant to the demands of the state. According to the Illinois State Police, there’ve been 8,143 gun owners who have complied with the registration mandate to date; fewer than one percent of all Firearm Owner ID card holders in the state. Now, not everyone who possess a FOID card owns one or more of the newly-banned items, but it’s safe to say that compliance has been slow in coming. With the deadline a little more than a week away, the question is now how many gun owners will comply at all.

Here one of the bills author's on that

Quote

    State Rep. Bob Morgan, D-Deerfield, who helped craft the gun and magazine ban that was enacted earlier this year, expects people to comply with the registry requirement, or after Jan. 1., they’ll be criminals.

    “They want to be law-abiding citizens and they want to be consistent with state law and they will register their existing legacy weapons otherwise they’re risking their FOID card,” Morgan said last month. “I think the vast, vast majority of people are just committed to being law-abiding citizens the way they are now.”

Unless there's a sudden mass stampede to register in the next few days there going to be an awful lot of overnight felons in IL

 [popcorn]

Registration Deadline Looming for Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Owners
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/registration-deadline-looming-for-illinois-assault-weapon-owners-n78689
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: zxcvbob on December 22, 2023, 12:59:39 PM
Update
Jan 1 is just around the corner

Here one of the bills author's on that

Unless there's a sudden mass stampede to register in the next few days there going to be an awful lot of overnight felons in IL

 [popcorn]

Registration Deadline Looming for Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Owners
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/registration-deadline-looming-for-illinois-assault-weapon-owners-n78689

Nope.  They are not felons until they are convicted of a felony.  I lot of potential felons, maybe.  I think that's an important point.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on December 22, 2023, 01:29:25 PM
CA in the news again. They were supposed to enact a bill with sweeping restrictions on concealed carriers. You know, if you can't keep them from getting s permit then make the permit worthless. Some of the ideas were straight out of NYC.

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It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-firearm-ban-temporary-pause-public-spaces-cormac-carney/

But then along come a Judge that calls the law:
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U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney granted a preliminary injunction blocking the law, which he wrote was "sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment, and openly defiant of the Supreme Court."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-firearm-ban-temporary-pause-public-spaces-cormac-carney/

The opinion is well thought out and hits nearly, if not all the points legal gun owners have been saying for years.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.898535/gov.uscourts.cacd.898535.45.0.pdf

The court case against the law will proceed while the law is blocked. The judge wrote that gun rights groups are likely to succeed in proving it unconstitutional, meaning it would be permanently overturned.

bob

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2023, 01:32:11 PM
Nope.  They are not felons until they are convicted of a felony.  I lot of potential felons, maybe.  I think that's an important point.

You know what I meant especially when you got IL lawmakers saying "after Jan. 1., they’ll be criminals."

Anyway however you want to word that it will be interesting to see how IL reacts to mass noncompliance
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2023, 04:59:35 PM
Meanwhile

Massachusetts Assault Weapon Ban Ruled Constitutional by Judge
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/massachusetts-assault-weapon-ban-meets-second-amendment-scrutiny

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The banned weapons “are unreasonably dangerous for ordinary purposes of self-defense due to their extreme lethality and high potential for collateral harm,” Chief Judge Dennis Saylor wrote in an order denying the gun rights group’s request to halt enforcement of the law.
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“The relevant history affirms the principle that in 1791, as now, there was a tradition of regulating ‘dangerous and unusual’ weapons—specifically, those that are not reasonably necessary for self-defense,” the order said, and the current restrictions “pose a minimal burden on the right to self-defense and are comparably justified to historical regulation.”
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“The features of modern assault weapons—particularly the AR-15’s radical increases in muzzle velocity, range, accuracy, and functionality—along with the types of injuries they can inflict are so different from colonial firearms that the two are not reasonably comparable,” the order said.

In other words he thinks the 2A only protects firearms or those similar to firearms that existed when the 2A came in being I guess

Guns and Gadgets video
He reads the actual ruling and it's actually worse than the above condense selections in fact twisting to met an agenda would imply

 This Is Bad! Judge: AR 15s Are Dangerous & Unusual Thus NOT Protected By 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaT3XdhYoAM
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2023, 09:18:46 PM
And more bad news from a judge

Federal Judge Denies Injunction Against Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Registration Requirement
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/federal-judge-denies-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapon-registration-requirement-n78722
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on December 22, 2023, 09:30:56 PM
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This Is Bad! Judge: AR 15s Are Dangerous & Unusual Thus NOT Protected By 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaT3XdhYoAM

There is literally zero precedent in the text, history or tradition of the USA for banning "dangerous and unusual" weapons.

English common law prohibited brandishing them "to the terror of the public."

The fiction that "dangerous and unusual" weapons can be banned was invented by the Supreme Court in a misreading of the above to justify machine gun bans.

This fact is plainly documented here:
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2825&context=lawreview

There is even a Second Amendment case from Texas in the 19th century that listed siege guns as being protected weapons (English v. State).

The text, history or tradition of the RKBA in the USA clearly states that we have a right to own weapons commonly used in civilized warfare. 

Since the Supreme Court made a ruling containing a blatant falsehood, it is no surprise bigoted judges are taking the lie and running with it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on December 22, 2023, 11:37:45 PM
Part of the problem with the IL-ANNOY ban is that you have to e-sign a form stating that you are registering these items "voluntarily".  The problem is that if you don't, you are threatened with legal persecution.  :facepalm:

Isn't that known as "extortion"??
  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 23, 2023, 01:08:19 AM
Part of the problem with the IL-ANNOY ban is that you have to e-sign a form stating that you are registering these items "voluntarily".  The problem is that if you don't, you are threatened with legal persecution.  :facepalm:

Sure, just like paying your taxes is voluntary.

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Isn't that known as "extortion"??[/size][/font]  [barf]

Yes.  Your point?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2023, 07:03:11 PM
When the gun "buy back" comes to you

New Mexicans Against Gun Violence apparently had been going door to door in Farmington New Mexico asking people to give up their firearms in exchange for gift cards despite the "buy back" operation being canceled by the city council and the Farmington police dept pulling out. According to the org they actually had some people hand over their firearms including 5 rifles from one home. They are now in legal hot water because due to the police pulling out they could not legally take possession of the firearms. Whoops

I'm not holding my breath on anything actually being done to them.

Whoopsy Daisy: Gun Control Organization Violates New Mexico Law With Gun Buy Back
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/23/gun-buyback-group-violates-mn-law-n2391076
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 04, 2024, 10:51:05 AM
Good old NBC

Shooting at a HS in Iowa
Okay
But I couldn't help but notice what NBC had to make sure you knew in the What we Know So Far box

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The shooting comes days before the Iowa caucuses, which will kick off the 2024 presidential Republican primary process on Jan. 15.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/live-updates-active-shooting-perry-high-school-rcna132235

Trying to form a mental connection in people's heads between the shooting and Republicans
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on January 04, 2024, 11:13:52 AM
When the gun "buy back" comes to you

New Mexicans Against Gun Violence apparently had been going door to door in Farmington New Mexico asking people to give up their firearms in exchange for gift cards despite the "buy back" operation being canceled by the city council and the Farmington police dept pulling out. According to the org they actually had some people hand over their firearms including 5 rifles from one home. They are now in legal hot water because due to the police pulling out they could not legally take possession of the firearms. Whoops

I'm not holding my breath on anything actually being done to them.

Whoopsy Daisy: Gun Control Organization Violates New Mexico Law With Gun Buy Back
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/23/gun-buyback-group-violates-mn-law-n2391076

It's better than that.  Not only did they illegally take possesion of the weapons, they didn't destroy them properly.  In addition, at least some of them were transported across state lines and given to minors in Colorado and New Mexico.

https://youtu.be/mzhi1aYON7w?t=76

That video is a news story in which they brag about providing firearms, that are not flame cut in three places, to high school students.  At the time stamp I linked you can see an SBR'd AK that I bet I could get running again in two hours or so after removing from the xylophone.

You're right they'll probably get away with it, but man they broke all the laws.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MillCreek on January 05, 2024, 09:35:19 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/05/us/everytown-study-us-gun-safety-rankings-2023/index.html

In recent years, Washington has implemented all of the 'five foundational laws' recommended by Everytown. Everytown poured a lot of money into the state in recent years and it paid off with legislation being passed.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on January 05, 2024, 10:53:01 PM
Trying to form a mental connection in people's heads between the shooting and Republicans.

Except that a local radio program had a news article about the shooting and indicated the shooter was "trans".
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 05, 2024, 11:35:51 PM
Except that a local radio program had a news article about the shooting and indicated the shooter was "trans".

That has been brought up, my point was what NBC was trying to do
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2024, 10:57:48 AM
Okay folks, how about this?
https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/1723683381718696204

The main article. I think it's suppose to behind a paywall, maybe, but it came right up for me

Army Ammunition Plant Is Tied to Mass Shootings Across the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/army-ammunition-factory-shootings.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

The rest of the article basically go on about how the US govt is provides ammo for murder using mass murders to sell more ammo.
It's pretty long winded, which is typical NYT, and that's probably an understatement.

NY AG among other AGs are running with this

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Ammunition from Lake City is manufactured for military use and does not belong in our communities. Federal courts have repeatedly noted the military nature of 5.56-millimeter rounds, which are used in militaryissued rifles, such as the M-16. Military-style weapons – and the ammunition specifically manufactured for them – should be limited to military use. Even if military-grade ammunition were appropriate for the civilian market, its sale to private parties should not be subsidized by taxpayer dollars.
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In the short term, we ask your Office to investigate the contracting and manufacturing practices that led to so many billions of military-grade rounds being sold into our communities, and to issue a public report with recommendations about how to end the diversion of military ammunition into civilian hands. In the long term, we ask the White House to ensure that future production contracts prohibit the sale of military weapons and ammunition to civilians.

Anti-Gun AGs Take Aim at Lake City Ammo
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/01/10/anti-gun-ags-take-aim-at-lake-city-ammo-n79228

The full letter
https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/Lake%20City%20Multistate%20Letter-%20FINAL%5B1%5D.pdf

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We write on behalf of the States of New York, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, the District
of Columbia, Hawai‘i, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey,
New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington (the “States”) to express concern about recent
reports that billions of rounds of military-grade ammunition manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition
Plant have been sold on the commercial market, leading to their use in many of the most tragic mass shootings
in recent history. We ask your Office to conduct an investigation into the contracting processes that led to this
situation, and to take action to ensure that military-grade and military-subsidized ammunition stays out of
civilian hands.
According to recent reports, the ammunition made at Lake City for our military has been sold to civilians
in mass quantities, leading to these bullets being used in mass shootings, including a shooting in which three
law enforcement officers were killed and multiple school shootings.1 Lake City rounds have become the
ammunition of choice for use in mass shootings, including:

Guns and Gadgets video 

They Are Coming After 5.56 Ammo Now!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5BT7nHflwc

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on January 10, 2024, 11:22:34 AM
Paywall for me. Exactly what is their data showing that the "mass shooters" purchased Lake City vs 50 other choices more likely available at an LGS or big box?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2024, 11:31:23 AM
Paywall for me. Exactly what is their data showing that the "mass shooters" purchased Lake City vs 50 other choices more likely available at an LGS or big box?

The NYT article?
When I originally post the the link to the NYT's article it wasn't hiding behind a paywall but now it is. Curious

Basically the NYT's article went on how LC ammo was found at some "mass" shootings and ranted that since it's military grade ammo it must be extra deadly and thus shouldn't be sold to us civs and said that since LC is a "tax payer funded"* ammo plant the govt is providing ammo to mass shooters.

*In quotes because they charge enough for it if my taxes already paid for it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on January 10, 2024, 02:56:38 PM
They should see what something like Hornaday TAP .223 or a decent 77gr HPBT does. Honestly M855 is one of the better rounds to get hit with in the caliber, if you gotta get shot.  (Plan A remains: Don't Get Shot)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2024, 03:11:40 PM
They should see what something like Hornaday TAP .223 or a decent 77gr HPBT does. Honestly M855 is one of the better rounds to get hit with in the caliber, if you gotta get shot.  (Plan A remains: Don't Get Shot)

Shhhhh
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 15, 2024, 05:28:50 PM
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    SCOOP: Georgia United Credit Union updated their user agreement

    They now monitor your account & block any purchase of guns or ammo

    Yep, u can’t buy a gun with your own bank account if you bank with @GAUnitedCU!

    Everyone should cancel their accounts!

    But wait, there’s more 👇🏼 pic.twitter.com/jXzOcw2R7M
    — SETH WEATHERS (@sethweathers) January 15, 2024
https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1746966639357141378

And it turns out they're not the only one

https://twitter.com/yehuda_miller/status/1746974609604292813
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD545l9XoAIB2hE?format=jpg&name=small)

A Very Disarming Story! Georgia United Credit Union Bans Guns and Ammo Purchases From Bank Accounts
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/01/15/georgia-united-guns-bank-account-n2391782
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on January 15, 2024, 05:34:14 PM
By all means, cancel your cards and tell them why.  Just understand that most of those apply to the sales side of things, not the purchasing side.  That is to say, you can't use their service as a merchant to sell tobacco, prescription drugs, guns, knives, condoms, porn, etc., not that you can't use your card to purchase those items.

I canceled a Citigroup card with really good rewards because of a similar policy, but don't come across as an idiot when you're complaining.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2024, 05:04:17 PM
Constitutional carry causing blood to not run in the streets.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/01/16/after-media-brutalized-gun-freedom-law-violent-crime-drops-in-florida/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2024, 08:55:48 AM
If only the "no guns" sign was the proper size, there would have been no guns in the building!  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1749233005342621743

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/22/reporter-measures-no-weapons-allowed-sign-after-mass-shooting-finds-its-too-small-n2392047
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on January 26, 2024, 04:54:08 PM
They want to BAN SWORDS now.... Response to the Labour Party & Idris Elba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B04JPPKzdAg

Scholagladiatoria doing a video about the Labor Party over there wanting to ban swords. 

I am pretty sure he leans at least a bit to the left.  All the arguments he is making are the same arguments here against gun control.  I am sure the leftist over there will ignore his logic/facts the same as they do here. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 06:23:28 PM
Gun owners in Maryland would be required to buy at least $300,000 in liability insurance or forfeit their ability to carry a firearm under a new bill.
The controversial legislation, introduced by Delegate Terri Hill, D-Howard County, would prohibit the "wear or carry" of a gun anywhere in the state unless the individual has obtained a liability insurance policy of at least $300,000.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-bill-would-ban-gun-carry-owners-without-insurance-policy-least-300k

Do gang members get a group discount?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 26, 2024, 08:17:23 PM
Gun owners in Maryland would be required to buy at least $300,000 in liability insurance or forfeit their ability to carry a firearm under a new bill.
The controversial legislation, introduced by Delegate Terri Hill, D-Howard County, would prohibit the "wear or carry" of a gun anywhere in the state unless the individual has obtained a liability insurance policy of at least $300,000.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-bill-would-ban-gun-carry-owners-without-insurance-policy-least-300k

Do gang members get a group discount?

Can tourists buy a one-day policy for when they're transiting the state?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JN01 on January 27, 2024, 10:55:07 PM
What insurance company issues liability policies that cover a private citizen deliberately shooting someone else?  I'm guessing, none, so no Second Amendment for Maryland.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2024, 11:17:25 AM
Kurt Russell being based on guns. Methinks that the interviewing was not expecting disagreement.  =)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1752230412644999594
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 30, 2024, 09:55:35 PM
I don't see any news stories on this, so here is the video I came across.

https://youtu.be/ez81oCgHN1Q?si=cBwWc3rQQS9mJpI1

tl;dr version: judge rules against New York state's ban on handguns in public housing.


Does anyone know of a state law in the US that singles out, say, homes worth over $1 million for a gun ban? Or a law that says you can have a gun on public transportation, but not in a taxi or limo?

The Left only wants to oppress protect the less privileged with their gun control gun safety laws, I guess.

Edit: Sorry. Turns out it's federal law; not state, and it apparently covers more than just pistols.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 31, 2024, 11:06:13 AM
News from Cali

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U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez delivered another scathing rebuke to the state of California on Thursday, just weeks after declaring the state’s ban on “large capacity” magazines unconstitutional. This time around it was the state’s ban on “assault weapons” that was before the judge, in a case known as Miller v. Bonta. Benitez was unsparing in his criticism of the law, which he says bars ordinary Californians from possessing commonly-owned arms that are protected by the language of the Second Amendment.

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Judge Benitez came down on the side of the Constitution and history.”

He did indeed. So what happens next? Benitez granted a 10-day stay on his permanent injunction, so if the past is any prologue California Attorney General Rob Bonta will appeal the decision to the Ninth Circuit and request a stay, the Ninth Circuit will grant the stay and allow the law to remain in place during the appeal, and then a majority of Ninth Circuit judges will start to play keep-away-from-the-Supreme-Court with the case.

Yep, here comes the usual appeals circus.

BREAKING: "Saint" Benitez Declares California "Assault Weapons" Ban Unconstitutional
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/10/19/breaking-saint-benitez-declares-california-assault-weapons-ban-unconstitutional-n76315
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 31, 2024, 03:45:03 PM
Same judge was not done

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U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez has delivered another blow to California’s gun control regime, striking down the state statute that imposes background checks on every ammunition sale in the state while prohibiting California residents from bringing ammunition purchased elsewhere back home; declaring it to be a violation of both the Second Amendment and the Constitution’s dormant Commerce Clause.

'Saint' Benitez Strikes Down California Ammunition Background Check Law
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/01/31/saint-benitez-strikes-down-california-ammunition-background-check-law-n79997
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on January 31, 2024, 03:47:44 PM
But right on the heels of that

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@EMPOWR_us has learned through whistleblowers within ATF that at the direction of the White House, ATF has drafted a 1,300 page document to justify a rule effectively banning the private sale of firearms. 🧵
— Tristan Leavitt (@tristanleavitt) January 31, 2024

I'm sure more info will be forthcoming soon on what is going on here if anything

'Unconstitutional and Unenforceable'! ATF Allegedly Drafting Plans to Ban the Sale of Private Fireams
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/01/31/atf-ban-the-private-sale-of-firearms-fire-arms-n2392400
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on January 31, 2024, 11:41:18 PM
Kurt Russell being based on guns. Methinks that the interviewing was not expecting disagreement.  =)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1752230412644999594

WOW !!
Interesting interview !
  =D
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2024, 12:07:39 AM
I don't understand why they're trying to ban training and militias. I mean, who cares if the gun nuts get all trained and organized? Joe Biden will just strafe them with his F-15.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 03, 2024, 07:41:43 PM
Well, Idris Elba just dropped several notches in my book. Not guns, but as an analog, knives:

https://youtu.be/xBIIpklNib8

While it's Great Britain, I think what scares me the most is that these people now live in a culture where they cannot fathom being able to buy a knife. When you think about it, that's a transition of at most a single generation. Relatively, that's pretty darn fast. But then I guess we have the same thing here with the trannies and suddenly there's a generation that can't fathom half the population not being gay or genderblenders.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2024, 12:27:04 AM
Well, Idris Elba just dropped several notches in my book. Not guns, but as an analog, knives:

https://youtu.be/xBIIpklNib8

While it's Great Britain, I think what scares me the most is that these people now live in a culture where they cannot fathom being able to buy a knife. When you think about it, that's a transition of at most a single generation. Relatively, that's pretty darn fast. But then I guess we have the same thing here with the trannies and suddenly there's a generation that can't fathom half the population not being gay or genderblenders.

Can I have a zombie knife if I promise to use it to turn little boys into "girls"?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: HankB on February 05, 2024, 07:47:46 AM
. . . I guess we have the same thing here with the trannies and suddenly there's a generation that can't fathom half the population not being gay or genderblenders.
(https://i.imgflip.com/2chmko.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 12:35:26 PM
Same judge was not done

'Saint' Benitez Strikes Down California Ammunition Background Check Law
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/01/31/saint-benitez-strikes-down-california-ammunition-background-check-law-n79997

Shocker here

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    9th Circuit motions panel just granted the State's request to stay the injunction that stopped the useless ammo sales restriction laws. CRPA is asking the merits panel to reverse, but for now ammo freedom week is on hold. Subscribe https://t.co/XfsCNfaaHS for updates, and see the…

    — Chuck Michel (@CRPAPresident) February 6, 2024
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/02/06/after-several-days-of-freedom-ninth-circuit-resurrects-california-ammo-law-n80174
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 12:36:38 PM
'Assault Weapon' Ban Passes Virginia House
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/06/assault-weapon-ban-va-n80161
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on February 06, 2024, 02:10:08 PM
Well, Idris Elba just dropped several notches in my book. Not guns, but as an analog, knives:

Oddly enough, anti-knife stupidity isn't new at all.  Reading about weapons control laws in the USA in the 1800's... most of them that I can recall were actually focused on banning carrying bowie knives.  Reading RKBA court cases from that era, the most common ruling from courts was the Second Amendment protected only military weapons (muskets, horse pistols, seige guns and so on) but not that dastardy, cowardly carriage of bowie knives, which no self-respecting soldier would use.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/24/6b/f5/246bf55657bcd02a053d73110abf07ca--civil-war-photos-bowie-knives.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 02:11:37 PM
Oddly enough, anti-knife stupidity isn't new at all.  Reading about weapons control laws in the USA in the 1800's... most of them that I can recall were actually focused on banning carrying bowie knives.  Reading RKBA court cases from that era, the most common ruling from courts was the Second Amendment protected only military weapons (muskets, horse pistols, seige guns and so on) but not that dastardy, cowardly carriage of bowie knives, which no self-respecting soldier would use.


But bayonets are okay right?

Yes I know they keep wanting to ban bayonet lug nowadays and the 94-2004 bill did.
You know, to prevent drive by bayonetings  ;/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 02:12:15 PM
And in related news

KSP: Grayson Co. murder suspect used samurai sword in deadly attack on three people
https://www.wave3.com/2024/02/06/ksp-grayson-co-murder-suspect-used-samurai-sword-deadly-attack-three-people/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 06, 2024, 04:20:30 PM
Oddly enough, anti-knife stupidity isn't new at all.  Reading about weapons control laws in the USA in the 1800's... most of them that I can recall were actually focused on banning carrying bowie knives.  Reading RKBA court cases from that era, the most common ruling from courts was the Second Amendment protected only military weapons (muskets, horse pistols, seige guns and so on) but not that dastardy, cowardly carriage of bowie knives, which no self-respecting soldier would use.

From what I have read in the past, Bowie knives were popular among members of Sam Houston's army during the Texas Revolution. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 06, 2024, 04:22:35 PM
Once of the best improvements Texas made was passing a knife preemption law several years ago and getting rid of restrictions on knives, swords, hatchets, and clubs.  IMO, right up there with Constitutional Carry.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 05:31:13 PM
'Assault Weapon' Ban Passes Virginia House
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/06/assault-weapon-ban-va-n80161

And one moving in Pennsylvania

Pa. House Judiciary Committee advances package of gun laws, including ban on some firearms
https://www.witf.org/2024/01/18/pa-house-judiciary-committee-advances-package-of-gun-laws-including-ban-on-some-firearms/

Guns and Gadgets video on both

 ATTENTION: Assault Weapons Ban Moves Forward In 2 States!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TPz8qscoaw
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on February 07, 2024, 08:41:08 PM
I do believe the Hawai'i Supreme Court has essentially lost its collective mind.
 
Heller and Bruen be damned, the USSC was wrong and we will prove it via Aloha Spirit.

Quote
e.The Aloha Spirit  In Hawaiʻi, the Aloha Spirit inspires constitutional interpretation.  See Sunoco, 153 Hawaiʻi at 363, 537 P.3d at 1210 (Eddins, J., concurring).  When this court exercises “power on
 behalf of the people and in fulfillment of [our] responsibilities, obligations, and service to the people” we “may contemplate and reside with the life force and give consideration to the ‘Aloha Spirit.’”  HRS § 5-7.5(b) (2009).

The spirit of Aloha clashes with a federally-mandated lifestyle that lets citizens walk around with deadly weapons during day-to-day activities. The history of the Hawaiian Islands does not include a society where armed people move about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others.  See Haw. Const. art. IX, § 10 (“The law of the splintered paddle . . . shall be a unique and living symbol of the State’s concern for public safety.”). The government’s interest in reducing firearms violence through reasonable weapons regulations has preserved peace and tranquility in Hawaiʻi. 

A free-wheeling right to carry guns in public degrades other constitutional rights. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, encompasses a right to freely and safely move in peace and tranquility.  See Haw. Const. art. I, § 2; Haw. Const. art. IX, § 10.  Laws regulating firearms in public preserve ordered liberty and advance these rights.
There is no individual right to keep and bear arms under article I, section 17.  So there is no constitutional right to carry a firearm in public for possible self-defense.

There is much more lunacy within the decision including saying the USSC got it wrong in Bruen and also some words about Miller and Heller. You really should read it for yourself because it will provide a blueprint for liberals to attack gun rights in the coming years, bet on it.


https://law.justia.com/cases/hawaii/supreme-court/2024/scap-22-0000561.html

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on February 07, 2024, 09:42:37 PM
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the US Supreme Court to do anything about Hawaii ignoring their rulings. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 08, 2024, 04:46:48 PM
Meanwhile in Washington State

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    A suburban Seattle gun shop and its former owner will pay $3 million for selling high-capacity ammunition magazines despite a state ban, the Washington attorney general said Tuesday.

    Attorney General Bob Ferguson announced the settlement with Federal Way Discount Guns and Mohammed Baghai after a King County judge found last year that the store and former owner were in violation of Washington’s Consumer Protection Act.

    The store and Baghai sold thousands of the magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, after the state law banning them went into effect in 2022, Ferguson has said.

    Ferguson said the former owner kept selling them even after the state filed a lawsuit. The attorney general described the violations as "egregious and brazen," The Seattle Times reported.

    “Federal Way Discount Guns chose to violate a critical law aimed at combating mass shootings,” Ferguson said in a statement. “Washington businesses are following the law and stopped selling high-capacity magazines. This resolution provides accountability for someone who flagrantly violated the law.

WA Gun Store Forced to Pay $3 Million Over Higher-Capacity Magazines
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/08/wa-gun-store-to-pay-3-million-over-higher-capacity-magazines-n1223746
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2024, 07:07:01 AM
Stopped a mass shooting in progress yesterday. Getting some vegan soy poi kombucha at Whole Foods, and a Republican comes through the door waving an AR-14. He screams, "this is MAGA country!" I'm ready for him, though. I had already drawn my Ahola Spirit. Emptied the whole clip into him before he could fire a shot.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 09, 2024, 07:29:49 AM
Ironic that Aloha shirts = boogaloo.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: cordex on February 09, 2024, 07:30:04 AM
Stopped a mass shooting in progress yesterday. Getting some vegan soy poi kombucha at Whole Foods, and a Republican comes through the door waving an AR-14. He screams, "this is MAGA country!" I'm ready for him, though. I had already drawn my Ahola Spirit. Emptied the whole clip into him before he could fire a shot.
Then the three year old girl in the cart next to you turned to her mom and said: "You see, mother, it is through the use of indigenous faith and the power of positive thinking that we, too, can overcome adversity, climate change, transphobia, and Trumpism.  Would that more would realize the dreadful impact that these fascist obstacles present to Blacks, Latinx, and other POC."  Slowly, all the surviving shoppers at the Whole Foods started to applaud her insight and Perd's bravery.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Blakenzy on February 09, 2024, 11:01:26 AM
They would make things easier if they just came out and said "we want to prohibit anything that might be useful to resist tyranny"
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on February 09, 2024, 12:11:46 PM
For the last several years various democrats in government have been laughing at the though of us resisting and threatening to nuke us.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on February 09, 2024, 12:54:16 PM
Perd's Aloha spirit:

(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/POTD-PSA-Big-Igloo-Aloha-Custom-AK-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 09, 2024, 01:30:50 PM
Then the three year old girl in the cart next to you turned to her mom and said: "You see, mother, it is through the use of indigenous faith and the power of positive thinking that we, too, can overcome adversity, climate change, transphobia, and Trumpism.  Would that more would realize the dreadful impact that these fascist obstacles present to Blacks, Latinx, and other POC."  Slowly, all the surviving shoppers at the Whole Foods started to applaud her insight and Perd's bravery.

Oh, I didn't realize you were there.

And no, dogmush, that's the gun they used to murder AOC on 6 Jan.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2024, 11:41:18 AM
Getting demand congress to ban assault weapons ads and a stay up sign the petition box on YouTube if I turn off my ad blocker
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on February 10, 2024, 01:19:53 PM
Me too.  They are spending a lot of money pushing bans.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 10, 2024, 01:30:54 PM
Me too.  They are spending a lot of money pushing bans.

Assuming YT/Google isn't letting them run rent free as a "community service" which wouldn't surprised me in the least
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: 230RN on February 13, 2024, 02:09:24 AM
Was going to post this as an individual thread, then found this discussion. Soooo...
--------------------------

"Hawaii's Supreme Court Insists
There Is No Individual Right to Arms" -JPFO

"Rejecting a challenge to the state's strict gun laws, the court is openly contemptuous of Second Amendment precedents."

https://jpfo.org/alerts2024/alert20240209.htm

I noted this because a couple of years ago when I was active (as 230RN) on the Hawaiian gun site (2ahawaii.com) i asked for a translation of the Second Amendment into Hawaiian and then back into English.

I noted that they had inserted the word "militia" in the retranslation as follows:

"...the right of the people (militia) to keep and bear arms..."

Just noting this as an illustration of this gratuitous insertion of a word which was not in the original as adopted[.

Now we can argue hither and yon as to what "militia" means in this context and who put it there, but my point is that its insertion implies, to the ordinary Hawaiian, that it strictly pertains to military objectives.

So no wonder the Hawaiian Supreme Court is brain-bound with the notion that the Second Amendment only relates to military matters.

I'm afraid to add that in my experience, the Aloha spirit is:  "Obey, peasant.  Pick them pineapples and be happy."

Hawaii is overwhelmingly infused with the concept of "statism," and G-d help us all.

Regretfully submitted,

Terry, 230N



Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2024, 08:49:08 AM
Really cool ad by Sig, and I think Everytown just helped them sell a few thousand Treads.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/02/19/sig-sauer-advertisement-n2393078
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 19, 2024, 09:29:20 AM
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Firearms Policy Coalition
@gunpolicy
A bill has been filed in California that would require homeowner's and renter's insurance companies to ask how many guns people own and to report that information to the state: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavC
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1758917822124630283

California Bill Uses Insurance Companies to Set Up Backdoor Gun Registry
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/02/19/california-bill-insurance-companies-gun-registry-n1223867
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 19, 2024, 10:17:09 AM
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SB 1160 would require every firearm in the state to be annually registered with the Department of Justice. An annual fee would be deposited into a special fund for the purpose of carrying out the administration and enforcement of the firearm registry. The bill would require the department to establish and maintain a system for the annual registration of firearms and make the registration information available to other law enforcement agencies. SB 1160 also requires that reasonable efforts be made to notify firearms dealers, owners, and the public about registration requirements.
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“This statue, which requires gun owners to register each firearm annually, is an important tool to remind all citizens of the civic responsibility that comes with owning a firearm. Indeed, the historic roots for this statue trace back to colonial America and serve as a reminder that with ownership comes responsibility,”
Senator Portantino Introduces Bill Requiring Annual Registration of Firearms
https://sd25.senate.ca.gov/news/2024-02-14/senator-portantino-introduces-bill-requiring-annual-registration-firearms

CA Lawmaker Wants Gun Owners to Register Firearms, Pay Fee Every Year
https://gvwire.com/2024/02/16/ca-lawmaker-wants-gun-owners-to-register-firearms-pay-fee-every-year/

I'm sure the gang bangers will comply just like they every other law.
I'm also sure the usual "monkey see monkey do" effect with other blue states will occur
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2024, 10:55:28 AM
Senator Portantino Introduces Bill Requiring Annual Registration of Firearms
https://sd25.senate.ca.gov/news/2024-02-14/senator-portantino-introduces-bill-requiring-annual-registration-firearms

CA Lawmaker Wants Gun Owners to Register Firearms, Pay Fee Every Year
https://gvwire.com/2024/02/16/ca-lawmaker-wants-gun-owners-to-register-firearms-pay-fee-every-year/

I'm sure the gang bangers will comply just like they every other law.
I'm also sure the usual "monkey see monkey do" effect with other blue states will occur

If the fee is ay, $100 per gun and the fine is $1000, unless the fine is per unregistered firearm, were I still in CA with the number of guns I had back then, it would be worth my while to ignore the law and just pay the grand if I were caught.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on February 20, 2024, 03:57:03 PM
If the fee is ay, $100 per gun and the fine is $1000, unless the fine is per unregistered firearm, were I still in CA with the number of guns I had back then, it would be worth my while to ignore the law and just pay the grand if I were caught.

That is like IL-ANNOY's AWB passed in the "dark of the night" Jan. 2023 with registration to close 1/1/24.
You had to "sign" an affidavit stating that you were registering these firearms and ammo "voluntarily".  The problem was that we were also told that we would be "subject to legal action" if we didn't register these items.
Plain old extortion.
  :facepalm:  [barf]
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 21, 2024, 07:51:31 AM
"Get rid of the guns"
How about we get rid of the gangs instead and we leave my rights alone?

Get rid of the guns. In Kansas, Missouri, everywhere. Amend the Constitution and protect our kids.
https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/20/get-rid-of-the-guns-in-kansas-missouri-everywhere-amend-the-constitution-and-protect-our-kids/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 21, 2024, 01:49:46 PM
"Get rid of the guns"
How about we get rid of the gangs instead and we leave my rights alone?

Get rid of the guns. In Kansas, Missouri, everywhere. Amend the Constitution and protect our kids.
https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/20/get-rid-of-the-guns-in-kansas-missouri-everywhere-amend-the-constitution-and-protect-our-kids/
They always say that like they think it is an actual achievable goal.  They can't put a dent in black market guns now. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2024, 05:14:45 PM
I guess here is good for this. It's two years old, but just popped up on my feed. A few people did an open carry walk in Nichols Hill Oklahoma (I don't know anything about the place other than I guess it's ritzy) and the open carry group got some of the 911 calls to put in the video.

"I support the second amendment, but..."
"I own two houses and I'm a member of the country club!"  :rofl:

https://youtu.be/pRbj_fNqgsQ
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 27, 2024, 07:27:55 PM
Gee, I thought banning guns was suppose to make everyone safer?

In the 5 years since NZ knee jerked banned most private semi-auto firearm ownership violence crime has increased 33%
Now some in NZ are thinking about reversing the ban at least for some.

New Zealand Lawmakers Have Second Thoughts About Semi-Auto Ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/02/27/new-zealand-lawmakers-have-second-thoughts-about-semi-auto-ban-n1223994

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: JTHunter on February 28, 2024, 04:36:11 PM
Gee, I thought banning guns was suppose to make everyone safer?

In the 5 years since NZ knee jerked banned most private semi-auto firearm ownership violence crime has increased 33%
Now some in NZ are thinking about reversing the ban at least for some.

New Zealand Lawmakers Have Second Thoughts About Semi-Auto Ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/02/27/new-zealand-lawmakers-have-second-thoughts-about-semi-auto-ban-n1223994

Ain't "hindsight" wonderful??  :facepalm:  [popcorn]  :rofl:
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2024, 09:19:11 PM
Gretchen Carlson fact checking Ben Shapiro on AR-15 ownership. She states that in 1992, AR-15s composed ONLY 21 out of every 100 guns. By 2020, it was 1 out of every 5 guns!!!!!

 :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LRHolzeW4m4?feature=share
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 29, 2024, 10:05:32 AM
Gretchen Carlson fact checking Ben Shapiro on AR-15 ownership. She states that in 1992, AR-15s composed ONLY 21 out of every 100 guns. By 2020, it was 1 out of every 5 guns!!!!!

 :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LRHolzeW4m4?feature=share
I am surprised the statistic was that high in 1992. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on February 29, 2024, 10:23:07 AM
I am surprised the statistic was that high in 1992.

Me too.  I thought it only really took off with the 1994 ban.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on February 29, 2024, 10:32:11 AM
I think a lot of people underestimate how much the gun industry as a whole has taken off since the turn of the century.

You can only easily find the NICS numbers back to 1999, but they went from 9.1 Million in 1999 to 29.8 million in 2023.  SO it's pretty safe to say20% of firearms manufactured in 1992 was probably close to the number of AR's sold in any given month in 2023.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 29, 2024, 02:01:32 PM
Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/atf-eforms-system-shut-down-claims-budgeting-concerns/#ixzz8T9obCRyW
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ATF eForms System Shut Down Claims Budgeting Concerns

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Earlier in the week, AmmoLand News received a concerning tip from an anonymous source about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) eForms system being shut down for the foreseeable future. This tip came through our anonymous tip box and was also given to YouTuber DLD After Dark by a second source and passed on to AmmoLand. Without verification, we were unable to share the information with the public.
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Since being informed of the pending shutdown, the eForms system went offline exactly when our sources predicted it would. AmmoLand News was able to verify the information with a third party that this wasn’t an unscheduled outage and was planned by the ATF. The vendor responsible for eForms received notification that the system would be taken offline for “Congressional budgeting concerns.”

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on February 29, 2024, 02:17:47 PM
BREAKING: ATF Shuts Down EFORMS Because Of The Budget?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0eDlQa5rz8

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2024, 02:18:50 PM
See something somewhere it was for maintenance.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2024, 03:09:03 PM
See something somewhere it was for maintenance.

If it's not for something like maintenance, then it's clearly gotta be political. Someone feel free to correct me, but my guess would be that e-forms save the ATF time and money over paper forms.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on February 29, 2024, 04:14:32 PM
If it's not for something like maintenance, then it's clearly gotta be political. Someone feel free to correct me, but my guess would be that e-forms save the ATF time and money over paper forms.

Being kind of optimistic and not willing to wrap myself in aluminum foil quite yet I am taking the eForms suutdown on the uncertainty of having money budgeted. Once again the .gov is running on a short term continuing resolution. Those douches elected to lead the government have one real job, provide money to keep the government open and that is the one thing they can never get right.

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on February 29, 2024, 05:25:24 PM
HOLY HELL!

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Rep. Lucy McBath
@RepLucyMcBath
With assault rifles, exit wounds can be a foot wide. The victim’s skull explodes on impact. Organs rupture, bones shatter, the shards serve as shrapnel and tear tissue to pieces.

There is a reason we never see the images after a mass murder—many of the bodies no longer exist.

Quote
Ketanji Brown Jackson and Elena Kagan repeatedly insisted bump stock-equipped guns can fire up to 800 rounds a second. That’s false.

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/02/29/ketanji-brown-jackson-bumpstocks-fire-800-rounds-per-second-n2393450
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2024, 05:32:17 PM
It was pretty much a forgone conclusion how they are going to vote on this even before it started.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 01, 2024, 10:11:28 PM
eForms is back up

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At 3:59 Eastern Time today, the site was brought back online. Apparently, it was just some technical glitch or an emergency service that needed to be performed because of some other issue. ATF didn’t offer any reasons, only that it was back up.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-eforms-back-up-conspiracy-theories-silenced-by-reemergence-of-online-bureaucracy/
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2024, 07:50:53 AM
My bad for not paying attention, but apparently John Cornyn is something of a gun grabber (or at the very least, a fudd)? I bring it up because he's apparently a prime contender for McConnell's old position, and the gun rights groups are coming out in force in opposition.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conservative-gun-rights-groups-come-out-swinging-against-john-cornyns-bid-replace-mitch-mcconnell
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2024, 08:21:44 AM
ATF Director and his firearms expertise. It's 20min long, but you can get the gist in about the first three minutes with the "clip" and a semiauto with a bump stock and a machine gun "being the same thing".

https://twitter.com/i/status/1764420588133626357

Also, I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but from the comments, he doesn't know how to get the slide off a Glock. Wasn't he a field agent at one point?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2024, 09:16:29 AM
Not the first time he has displayed a noticeable lack of firearm knowledge, Apparently basic firearm knowledge isn't a requirement to work at the ATF let alone run it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2024, 09:18:45 AM
Holy hell. I watched the whole thing. I encourage you guys to pop some blood pressure meds and do the same. The lies and leading questions are remarkable. This is a Face the Nation segment, so lots of people with no firearms knowledge, and perhaps no bias, could easily be swayed to, "Do something for the children!" from this.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2024, 08:17:06 PM
Wow, that's quite a list of bills. The dems in Virginia has been busy.

Virginia Alert: Remind Governor Youngkin Multiple Anti-Gun Bills Need VETO
https://www.ammoland.com/2024/03/virginia-alert-remind-governor-youngkin-multiple-anti-gun-bills-need-veto/

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Here are the bills that are either on the Governor’s desk now or will be on his desk later this week. He will have until mid-April to act on them:

    HB2, bans “assault firearms” and magazines holding more than 10 rounds made after July 1, 2024. The definition of “assault firearm” is expanded to capture more types of firearms. It also prohibits ownership of “assault firearms” by young adults.
    SB2, bans “assault firearms” and magazines holding more than 10 rounds made after July 1, 2024. The definition of “assault firearm” is expanded to capture more types of firearms. It also prohibits ownership of “assault firearms” by young adults.
    HB46, requires someone holding firearms for a prohibited person to be 21 or older and to live at a different address.
    SB47, requires someone holding firearms for a prohibited person to be 21 or older and to live at a different address.
    SB57, prohibits a CHP holder from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of a restaurant or club that serves alcoholic beverages.
    SB99, prohibits the carry of semi-automatic firearms with certain cosmetic features in public areas and removes an exemption for CHP holders.
    SB100, requires serialization of homemade guns made after 1968.
    HB173, requires serialization of homemade guns made after 1968.
    HB175, prohibits the carry of “assault firearms” in public areas, regardless of whether they are loaded, and removes an exemption for CHP holders.
    HB183, requires all firearms in a home, that are not being carried by the owner, to be locked up if there is a minor present.
    SB225, requires schools to text or email subjective information on guns to parents at the start of a school year.
    SB258, expands the things a judge can consider and must consider when issuing an Extreme Risk Protection Order (Red Flag).
    SB273, requires a five-day waiting period for firearm sales.
    HB318, allows for frivolous lawsuits against the gun industry in a blatant attempt to litigate a legitimate industry out of business.
    SB327, makes it illegal for young adults to purchase an “assault firearm.” The definition of “assault firearm” is expanded to capture more types of firearms.
    HB351, requires a person purchasing a firearm to sign certification that no minor lives in the home or a locking device must be included with the firearm.
    HB362, adds “dating relationship” to the definition of a “domestic relationship” for purposes of prohibiting guns for misdemeanor domestic violence.
    SB363, makes it unlawful to possess, sell, or distribute a firearm with an altered serial number.
    SB368, requires all firearms in a home, that are not being carried by the owner, to be locked up if there is a minor present.
    SB383, prohibits firearms in higher education buildings unless part of an authorized program or activity in that building.
    SB447, creates a $500 fine and makes a vehicle subject to towing if there is a visible handgun inside an unattended vehicle.
    HB454, prohibits firearms in higher education buildings unless part of an authorized program or activity in that building.
    HB466, severely restricts recognition of out-of-state CHPs.
    SB491, allows for frivolous lawsuits against the gun industry.
    HB498, requires schools to text subjective information on guns to parents at the start of a school year.
    SB515, prohibits firearms in hospitals.
    SB522, removes NRA and USCCA training courses from the list of qualified training courses to get a CHP.
    HB585, prohibits home-based Federal Firearms Licensees from operating within 1.5 miles of any elementary or middle school.
    HB637, creates a training program to make more frequent use of Substantial Risk Orders (Red Flag).
    SB642, adds “dating relationship” to the definition of a “domestic relationship” for purposes of prohibiting guns for misdemeanor domestic violence.
    HB797, removes NRA and USCCA training courses from the list of qualified training courses to get a CHP.
    HB798, takes away a person’s right to own a firearm for several misdemeanor convictions, including simple assault.
    HB799, requires a person be fingerprinted when applying for a new or renewed CHP.
    HB861, prohibits firearms in hospitals.
    HB939, prohibits firearms within 100 feet of an electoral board, voter registration, voter satellite building, or a drop-off location or absentee voter precinct.
    HB1174, makes it illegal for young adults to purchase an “assault firearm.” The definition of “assault firearm” is expanded to capture more types of firearms.
    HB1195, requires a five-day waiting period for firearm sales.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2024, 05:46:01 PM
"Amend the Constitution for a right to safety."

Shut up, haircut. Keep your nose out of other states' business.

https://twitchy.com/rickrobinson/2024/03/14/gun-grabber-gavin-newsom-was-foiled-again-cue-the-worlds-smallest-violin-n2393952
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2024, 05:54:43 PM
So if an illegal immigrant -by definition a criminal - can own a gun in the US, I wonder if convicted felons of other crimes can now start legally buying guns as well?

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/03/19/judge-rules-that-illegal-immigrants-are-protected-under-second-amendment-n2394152
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 19, 2024, 07:39:02 PM
Convicted vs. Not Convicted.

Yes, I know that someone here illegally is prima facie a criminal, but if they haven't been convicted,  they haven't been convicted.   I don't think punished unconvicted people is a line we should even consider approaching.   You guys actually convinced me I was wrong on the Rep kicked out of Congress, and this is even more clear cut.

I also tend to agree with the judge here. Where the Constitution means "Citizen" it says so. Where it says "People" it means everyone.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 19, 2024, 07:59:17 PM
Wonder how they’re gonna answer that pesky question on the 4473.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 19, 2024, 10:09:48 PM
Wonder how they’re gonna answer that pesky question on the 4473.

If the ruling survives appeal, they will have to take that question off the 4473, as that portion of 18 USC will be voided.

The judge said:
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“[C]arbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants.”

I believe this ruling also creates a split between districts, so there may end up being more clarification on what groups in the 'prohibited persons" list are constitutional.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2024, 07:41:08 AM
Well we had plenty of warning this was coming.
There have been congress critters making noise about having Glocks classified as machine guns as well.
If successful you know they won't stop there

Quote
Everytown
@Everytown
The City of Chicago and Everytown Law announced we're suing Glock for facilitating the proliferation of illegal machine guns on the streets of Chicago by manufacturing semiautomatic pistols that can easily be converted to fully automatic firing using "Glock switches."
https://twitter.com/Everytown/status/1770167655900868668

Everytown, Along With the City of Chicago, Goes After Glock Inc. and We Need ALL the Popcorn
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2024/03/20/everytown-with-the-city-of-chicago-goes-after-glock-inc-n2394157
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 20, 2024, 08:50:26 AM
And from Teen Vogue which includes socialist propaganda in between articles on things like "the best lube for that trans date" we have "Gun Capitalism"

Teen Vogue Blames 'Gun Capitalism' For Violence
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/03/19/teen-vogue-blames-gun-capitalism-for-violence-n1224237

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2024, 09:26:19 AM
Convicted vs. Not Convicted.

I also tend to agree with the judge here. Where the Constitution means "Citizen" it says so. Where it says "People" it means everyone.

Valid point on the convicted vs not convicted. I'm wondering if convicted felons who served their sentence could use the judge's argument to regain their 2nd Amendment rights?
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: BobR on March 20, 2024, 11:14:38 AM
And in other news, this time from the 9th Circuit.;

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A federal appeals court on Monday ruled that barring defendants out on bail from possessing firearms while they are awaiting trial was constitutional even after a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2022 that expanded gun rights.

This seems to contradict the other ruling. If the illegals have been given a court date aren't they essentially the same as those out on bail?

The way my mind works, if they are illegally in the country and the .gov has given them a court date to plead their case then they are essentially out on bail, even if no cash or OR. So according to one panel they cannot possess firearms yet on the other hand the other judge say go right ahead. Another one that will end up with the USSC?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-upholds-gun-bans-bail-condition-2024-03-18/#:~:text=March%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,2022%20that%20expanded%20gun%20rights.

bob
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: MechAg94 on March 20, 2024, 11:25:54 AM
IMO, the answer is they shouldn't be allowed in the country until their court date. 

Aside from that, you shouldn't lose any rights until convicted.  And regain them after time served.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: dogmush on March 21, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
And in other news, this time from the 9th Circuit.;

This seems to contradict the other ruling. If the illegals have been given a court date aren't they essentially the same as those out on bail?

The way my mind works, if they are illegally in the country and the .gov has given them a court date to plead their case then they are essentially out on bail, even if no cash or OR. So according to one panel they cannot possess firearms yet on the other hand the other judge say go right ahead. Another one that will end up with the USSC?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-upholds-gun-bans-bail-condition-2024-03-18/#:~:text=March%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,2022%20that%20expanded%20gun%20rights.

bob

I haven't researched Mr. Carbajal-Flores' immigration status, and his case was from back in 2020 so it might not follow the current immigration debacle's flusterlcuck SOP, but it's important to remember that after a criminal alien has applied for asylum, and that application has been received by the .gov, and processed to the point of a hearing date, and the asylum seeker being granted permission to move farther into the country, that individual is no longer in the country illegally.  The have explicit permission from the US Government to remain in the US, work (in most cases), and do all the other things "the people" can do.  Even if they originally entered the US illegally, once the asylum process has begun, they are not illegally present in the US.  That's exactly why we used to make them wait out their asylum claim in their own country.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Pb on March 21, 2024, 02:39:54 PM
I also tend to agree with the judge here. Where the Constitution means "Citizen" it says so. Where it says "People" it means everyone.

The early USA had gun bans for some non-citizen groups (blacks, Indians) in some places.  This went unchallenged as far as I know.  So, perhaps the Second was only intended for citizens.

I personally don't care if non-criminal aliens have guns.
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2024, 07:13:27 AM
Now we got "Zombie" guns and of course that means there's a "Zombie" gun loop hole that "needs" to be closed

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    The Zombie Gun Loophole is a problematic way that guns can end up in the hands of those responsible for gun violence. We must close this loophole and destroy zombie guns now. Every life lost to gun violence is one too many. pic.twitter.com/vtawLCCJWj
    — Congressman Maxwell Alejandro Frost (@RepMaxwellFrost) March 21, 2024

What is a "Zombie" gun you may ask?

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Now 'zombie guns' really aren't all that different from 'ghost guns.' The parts are the result of gun disposal companies only destroying single pieces of guns seized by the police, or from a police officer who retired and turned in their service weapon, and even from gun 'buy-back' programs and then reselling the remaining pieces either separately or as kits that can then become 'ghost guns'.

So yeah
Another imaginary problem to deflect from the real problem

Ghost Guns Weren't Scary Enough, so Maxwell Frost has a New Boogeyman: ZOMBIE GUNS
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2024/03/22/zombie-guns-maxwell-frost-n2394258
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2024, 08:29:07 AM
More

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    As Frost explained, guns that are retired, seized or bought back by law-enforcement agencies are routinely sent to gun-disposal companies to be destroyed. However, for the firearms to be considered legally destroyed, only one piece, like the receiver or frame, needs to be crushed or otherwise destroyed. Some companies, like industry leader Gun Busters, then take the remaining functional parts and sell them as part of build-it-yourself kits used to make untraceable “ghost” guns.

    Under the Destroy Zombie Guns Act, gun-disposal companies would be required to destroy the entire firearm, not just a single piece.

Apparently they're running with the narrative this somehow makes the guns untraceable. WTF?

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“We cannot allow this mass proliferation of guns to continue to allow violent criminals and anyone who poses a threat to society in our community to continue to be walking around with an untraceable gun right here in our communities, in our schools, near our homes, near our children,” Tokuda said. “It’s really that simple. Without action, without passage of a bill like this, more about actors would easily be able to do exactly that—procure a gun and sadly to use it in ways that we have seen are absolutely destructive to communities, to families and our loved ones.”

Anti-2A Activists Have a New Target: 'Zombie Guns'
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/03/21/anti-2a-activists-have-a-new-target-zombie-guns-n1224281

Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 23, 2024, 10:59:08 AM
So basically a Federal Unified Command for "red flag" crap?

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/23/what-the-hell-is-this-evil-dojs-red-flag-announcement-on-guns-sets-off-2a-red-flags-n2394305
Title: Re: Gun Control Watch
Post by: Ben on March 25, 2024, 01:15:00 PM
Florida Sheriff to an identified homeowner who shot at a burglar and missed (paraphrased): "We have a gun safety class you can take to shoot better so you can shoot home invaders and save the taxpayers some money."  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1771917270140260608

EDIT: It's apparently from 2022, but making the rounds again for some reason.