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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MechAg94 on January 16, 2023, 11:01:15 PM
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Some announcements came up in the last week plus SHOT show is this week. Some of it looks pretty interesting.
Rock Island Armory Introduce New RIA 5.0 Pistol
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/05/rock-island-armory-introduce-new-ria-5-0-pistol/
Sootch00 review
https://youtu.be/NM0Y8ZqAHeo
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/armscors-new-ria-5-0-american-made-9mm-pistol/
https://www.armscor.com/ria-50
Note the square barrel. Looks unique which has my interest. I'll wait and see what the street price is.
FN Announces the New 510 and 545 10mm and .45 ACP Pistols
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fn-announces-the-new-510-and-545-10mm-and-45-acp-pistols/
Maybe we will hear more about this after the SHOT show range day. I like my FNX-45. I am curious if the mags will be compatible. Not sure about the 10 mm version. Might be nice if it tames recoil a bit.
Dan Wesson is finally rolling out the DWX pistol. Looks really cool.
https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/
Honest Outlaw gave his first impressions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQyizRe8Yh0
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyLxSUkKMo
Looks like Beretta is coming out with a new version of the Model 84. No mag compatibility according to the video. I wonder if they will do a 32 auto model 81 version. I got one of the Model 81's that came in a year or two ago. It is very pleasant plinker gun.
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Smith & Wesson is changing the way we suppress the AR-15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2JcenW7Fo
S&W has a new suppressor, but what is interesting is they are doing a dual port gas block if I heard the video right. Supposedly it helps minimize gas blow back on the shooter. I am sure there will be reviews.
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Definitely not a gun, but something I recently became aware of. Looks interesting, but $400 is a bit more than a maul at Home Depot.
The Viking Wood Splitter
http://vikingwoodsplitter.com/?v=7516fd43adaa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkvaD-olhs
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S&W 5.7 pistol. I had no idea this was out. - Honest Outlaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8
(put a bad link in there. fixed now.)
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I've been staring at the disassembly of that RIA for a week trying to figure out how it works.
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Square barrel?
Interesting.
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The 9mm Henry Homesteader: IT TAKES GLOCK MAGS
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/17/shot-2023-9mm-henry-homesteader-takes-glock-mags/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlZQxd83Z74
A traditional looking semi-auto that takes Glock mags. Sounds like a winner if it works. $950 MSRP isn't bad compared to the competition.
Of course, they really need to make it in 10 mm.
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Matrix Arms “Cage” AR-15 Dual Pump Handguard
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/17/shot-2023-matrix-arms-cage-ar-15-dual-pump-handguard/
An AR that can be configured as semi-auto or pump action. Supposedly 50 state legal.
I am glad I live in a mostly free state.
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That S&W 5.7 has me interested again in the 5.7
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The 9mm Henry Homesteader: IT TAKES GLOCK MAGS
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/17/shot-2023-9mm-henry-homesteader-takes-glock-mags/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlZQxd83Z74
A traditional looking semi-auto that takes Glock mags. Sounds like a winner if it works. $950 MSRP isn't bad compared to the competition.
A $1000 PCC that isn't even that ergonomic? Henry is smoking crack.
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First thing I though when I saw the Homesteader was...
Winchester Model 1907.
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A $1000 PCC that isn't even that ergonomic? Henry is smoking crack.
Depends on what you mean by ergonomic. I like that styling and grew up shooting rifles like that. I don't want a pistol grip on everything.
Also depends on what the actual street price ends up at. 9mm semi-auto rifles run a wide range of pricing. That still in the medium tier.
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New Mike-102 AR/AK/HK Hybrid from Foxtrot Mike
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/new-mike-102-ar-ak-hk-hybrid-from-foxtrot-mike/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7qf0QMu00
When I saw a teaser of this on their instagram, I was excited about this. But it is basically a piston AR that takes 5.56 AK mags. I really don't know what to think about that. I have an AK in 5.56 so those mags should work, but I am not sure why I would do that over a standard AR. Might depend on the price.
5.45x39 would be more interesting to me.
(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Foxtrot-Mike-MIke-102-01-600x399.jpg)
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A $1000 PCC that isn't even that ergonomic? Henry is smoking crack.
A lot of people pine for the Marlin Camp Carbine and the Henry since it looks very much like it should fit the bill.
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I had a Camp Carbine for awhile.
I didn't like it.
It was WAY too chunky around the stock wrist. As in, so chunky the only way I could shoot it even semi-comfortably was to take a Martini-Henry hold on it and not wrap my thumb over the top of the wrist.
And that wasn't conducive to a stable shooting platform at all.
So I ended up selling it.
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New Mike-102 AR/AK/HK Hybrid from Foxtrot Mike
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/new-mike-102-ar-ak-hk-hybrid-from-foxtrot-mike/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7qf0QMu00
When I saw a teaser of this on their instagram, I was excited about this. But it is basically a piston AR that takes 5.56 AK mags. I really don't know what to think about that. I have an AK in 5.56 so those mags should work, but I am not sure why I would do that over a standard AR. Might depend on the price.
Unfortunately there's no one single standard for 5.56 AK mags and they're for the most part not interchangeable between AK manufacturers with many having their own somewhat different design. Not saying yours won't work just that it's far from being guaranteed they will.
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A few more:
BERSA Introduce the BERSA AR Rifle Series
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/bersa-introduce-the-bersa-ar-rifle-series/#axzz7qkjaQHKw
C&H Precision DUTY: An Enclosed Red Dot Optic!?
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/ch-precision-duty-enclosed-red-dot-optic/#axzz7qkjaQHKw
Shadow Systems Full-Size DR920L Pistol, Long-Slide Configuration Soaks Up Recoil
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/shadow-systems-full-size-dr920l-pistol-long-slide-configuration-soaks-up-recoil/#axzz7qkjaQHKw
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New Mike-102 AR/AK/HK Hybrid from Foxtrot Mike
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/new-mike-102-ar-ak-hk-hybrid-from-foxtrot-mike/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7qf0QMu00
When I saw a teaser of this on their instagram, I was excited about this. But it is basically a piston AR that takes 5.56 AK mags. I really don't know what to think about that. I have an AK in 5.56 so those mags should work, but I am not sure why I would do that over a standard AR. Might depend on the price.
5.45x39 would be more interesting to me.
(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Foxtrot-Mike-MIke-102-01-600x399.jpg)
It's DI, not Piston.
I have a Foxtrot Mike upper and while I don't have a ton of rounds through it, my feelings are mixed right now. It has a bunch of neat ideas but is clunkier in operation than I expected it to be. I'm also not finding the side-folding to be the game changer I thought it would be.
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Unfortunately there's no one single standard for 5.56 AK mags and they're for the most part not interchangeable between AK manufacturers with each having their own somewhat different design. Not saying yours won't work just that it's far from being guaranteed they will.
I agree, but there is some flexibility. There is potential for mag fit issues with 7.62 AK's also.
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The side folding stock is useful in some cases, but I find I don't really need it or use it all that much. It is most useful to me in allowing me to carry it in a smaller rifle bag or stowing it somewhere.
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Not a gun, but Holosun is getting into night vision and thermal.
https://youtu.be/axgPHWuiLNA
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I agree, but there is some flexibility. There is potential for mag fit issues with 7.62 AK's also.
Maybe you misunderstand.
The fit issues with 7.62x39 mags can usually be fixed with a file, in fact it's often expected to have to do so due to in variation in tolerances. AK 5.56 mags on the other hand are often a proprietary design to the manufacturer of that particular 5.56 AK.
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A lot of people pine for the Marlin Camp Carbine and the Henry since it looks very much like it should fit the bill.
Those people of course evaporate when it’s time to sell one.
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Maybe you misunderstand.
The fit issues with 7.62x39 mags can usually be fixed with a file. In fact it's often expected to have to do so due to in variation in tolerances. AK 5.56 mags are often a proprietary design to the manufacturer.
Maybe we are talking past each other or different experiences. I have two 5.56 AK's whose mags don't quite fit each other. I never had any problems with 7.62 AK's until K-USA, but they fixed that issue. I have had more issues with 5.45 mags, but that was with side to side fit, not front to back.
My K-USA 7.62 AK had to be sent back because only the mag that came with it would fit (none of my combloc mags would work). Couldn't get them to lock in. I think they readjusted the placement of the mag catch. Seems they had one type mag they function tested with. They said they fixed that oversight in their QA/QC. I wasn't the first to call. Had it back in a week or so.
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Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)
It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
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Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)
It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend.
The article mentions a lot of states require straight wall cartridges. I thought that was only one or two states. How many states have that requirement?
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Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend.
The article mentions a lot of states require straight wall cartridges. I thought that was only one or two states. How many states have that requirement?
I think Indiana does.
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I think Indiana does.
I believe Ohio does as well
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PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk
They said it would come in 4 different calibers. Has changes: They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels.
I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44. Is this that guy or did they buy that design? He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name. I don't remember the details. The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.
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PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk
They said it would come in 4 different calibers. Has changes: They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels.
I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44. Is this that guy or did they buy that design? He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name. I don't remember the details. The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.
Dammit. My heritage demands that I buy one of these.
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There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder. Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?
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There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder. Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?
The Zenk .357.
A quick DuckDuck showed they are at SHOT show, but no actual pictures of the revolver, just renderings.
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There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder. Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?
The closest I have seen before is Taylor & Co has a Scoffield model in 44 special. Not cheap. I still want one.
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PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk
They said it would come in 4 different calibers. Has changes: They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels.
I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44. Is this that guy or did they buy that design? He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name. I don't remember the details. The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.
Everyone that needs an Stg-44 raise your hand!!
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle4712652.ece%2FALTERNATES%2Fs1227b%2FGerman-football-supporters-giving-the-Nazi-salute-during-the-international-match-against-England-at-White-Hart-Lane.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=567aca54ea659eb84c0fca9c1e00c667760013fe3e76ed7434c9ba494b5c9ff9&ipo=images)
(I kid, I kinda want one.)
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I want one in 7.26x39. Wonder what that makes me? =D
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Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)
It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/360-buckhammer/
I saw this link and looked closer. This round is a rimmed cartridge made from straightening out a 30-30. So this is more of a lever action round. It said Henry is chambering a few models in it.
180 grain bullet at 2400 fps doesn't sound too bad. That sounds like a step up from 30-30 as well as 35 Remington.
Does that compare well with 444 Marlin or others?
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Classic Firearms is posting their SHOT show videos on their "outside the warehouse" channel. 1 hour and 20 minutes for part 1 of day one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NMNxkKlrto
On Rumble too.
https://rumble.com/v2615bm-january-17-2023.html
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The REAL Underfolder Zastava M70 is Here!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/shot-2023-real-underfolder-zastava-m70/
Folding stocks were mentioned previously. I have never had an underfolder AK, but I always wanted to get one. I have heard they are overrated and uncomfortable to shoot. Doesn't stop me from wanting one. Not sure if Zastava is the best option for something I might not like in the end. PSA makes one. Classic Firearms sells a Pioneer Arms model in 5.56 which might be a better shooter (?).
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A view through that Holosun Thermal. The overlay looks pretty cool.
https://twitter.com/TopShotDustin/status/1615879631214907397?s=20&t=zE4nMLNjntJRsznFKe1M8g
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A view through that Holosun Thermal. The overlay looks pretty cool.
https://twitter.com/TopShotDustin/status/1615879631214907397?s=20&t=zE4nMLNjntJRsznFKe1M8g
I'm still blown away at the price. That makes it extremely tempting.
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Hold the phone
B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU
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The FN 510 is interesting to me as well. I’m a big 10MM fan so I’ll have to take a look at that FN version.
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Hold the phone
B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU
~$6000 ??? :O
I guess all those AK forum people who were ticked off at MAC can now get upset with B&T since they aren't selling them for $1500. =)
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~$6000 ??? :O
I guess all those AK forum people who were ticked off at MAC can now get upset with B&T since they aren't selling them for $1500. =)
Hit Gunbroker for the going price on an SVD, and that $6k looks pretty reasonable. I get my combloc DMR fix with my PSL just fine.
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Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend . . .
And aside from a few thousandths of an inch bullet diameter, the 350 Legend is basically a "magnumized" version (longer case, higher pressure) of the old .351 WSL and it's lesser known predecessor, the .35 WSL.
Hold the phone
B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU
With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?
People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.
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With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?
People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.
Would it qualify as a sporting rifle being so long and with a relatively low capacity magazine?
I think you are right on the accuracy. MAC did a review of the Dragunovs that were imported a year or more ago. They are not sub MOA, but the combloc collectors still want them.
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With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?
The SVD is it's own firearm. It has a specific milled receiver that the FEG clones appear to have copied. It's not a modification of another weapon or type. On imports the video mentions it ships with an "uninstalled muzzle device". Without counting parts I'd bet between that, no bayo lug, and small magazines it's allowed to be brought in as a sporting gun. Thread that flash hider on, and you may need to start counting 922(r) parts.
People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.
They are semi-meh. Remember they are DMR rifles, not Sniper rifles. With good ammo they are minute of torso out to 800 or so. Remember also the PSO-1 is only a 4 power scope. I shot a couple mags through an SVD in Iraq, and it was nice enough for a DMR role. As a lefty I found the ergos to be a hot mess.
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Yep, DMR.
All the tests I've seen expect ~2-3 MOA which is fine the the task they were/are made for.
Darn sexy looking rifle though.
Still kicking myself in the butt to this day or not buying the one I had in my hands at a gun show right after they started arriving here and before the import ban. A full on Russian with all accessories in a crate for $550
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I'm still blown away at the price. That makes it extremely tempting.
I thought it was cool too. Looks like max range is 68m, though, which seems a little tight.
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I thought it was cool too. Looks like max range is 68m, though, which seems a little tight.
According to something my LGS posted this morning, there will be three models, so maybe the higher end will have longer range:
DRS Thermal
In addition to offering the night vision DRS, Holosun offers a thermal option with 3 models available. The standard model offers 2 reticle options with 1024×768 resolution at 50 FPS. As you move up in the models, you’ll have up to 5 thermal image modes and can increase thermal sensor resolution by 33%. The DRS Thermal uses the same MRS as the night vision model, as well as daylight/night vision settings and window size. Battery life on these ranges from 10-20 hours depending on model, and will be a popular option for coyote and pig hunters.
With my Super Hogster thermal, I can easily make out cattle over 1/4 mile away. However for what I would use one of these combo sights for, that 68M might be okay. Mainly to do "threat scans" for a bump in the night without having to switch between a thermal and the carbine.
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REALLY BIG (and really small) NEW Derringers from Bond Arms
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/24/shot-2023-really-big-really-small-new-derringers-bond-arms/
Check today’s video to see these new derringers, from a .22LR to a .45-70 (seriously).
:O :O
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/26/shot-show-2023-new-big-small-derringers-bond-arms/
(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/DSC_0090-660x440.jpg)
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Fletcher Rifle Works Open Top 11/22 Receiver
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/23/fletcher-rifle-works-open-top-11-22/
Fletcher Rifle Works has been working on a rimfire receiver system that is compatible with the full gamut of Ruger 10/22 parts. The Open Top 11/22 receiver is much more accessible for cleaning than a classic 10/22 receiver. The top-cover, bolt, and charging handle can be much more easily removed for cleaning meaning your mounted optic won’t need re-zeroing.
I guess I will have to see what the cost is. I like the idea. Not sure it will be worth the probable cost increase.
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Zenith Tease New 5.56 Roller-Delayed Rifles AND More!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/25/shot-show-2023-zenith-tease-new-5-56-roller-delayed-rifles/
More domestic HK clone rifles might be pretty interesting. Sounds like they won't be cheap, but a lot of stuff is more expensive these days.
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REALLY BIG (and really small) NEW Derringers from Bond Arms
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/24/shot-2023-really-big-really-small-new-derringers-bond-arms/ :O :O
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/26/shot-show-2023-new-big-small-derringers-bond-arms/
(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/DSC_0090-660x440.jpg)
Not the first 45-70 derringer out in the market.
There's some YT videos showing people shooting them and yeah, it hurts.
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Two Reintroduced Leverguns From Marlin – 1894 and 336
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/27/shot-2023-two-reintroduced-leverguns-marlin-1894-and-336/
I guess we all expected Ruger to get around to these models. I hope they manage to get enough numbers made that we can actually see one at a store.
I was hoping Ruger would figure out how to make an inexpensive 336 model. It seems they are still just reintroducing all the old Marlin models so all new stuff might take a while.
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PSA’s New H and R Retro Rifle Series
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/26/shot-show-2023-psas-new-h-r-retro-rifle-series/
Saw this link earlier today.
Harrington & Richardson 723 Style Carbine 5.56MM Rifle, Black
https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-723-style-carbine-5-56mm-rifle-black.html?avad=190366_d2e045609&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=el
(https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7af8331bf1196ca28793bd1e8f6ecc7b/h/r/hr51655133723_2.jpg)
I have shot a Colt carbine from the early 1980's. This looks almost identical.
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Sierra Sports Master 45 ACP Ammo 185 Grain JHP, 200rds $99
https://palmettostatearmory.com/sierra-sports-master-45-acp-ammo-185-grain-jhp-200rds.html?avad=190366_d2e045579&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=el
Just thought I would post this in case anyone needs 45 ACP HP ammo.
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Tippmann Ordnance’s New Baby Gatling Gun
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/27/tippmann-ordnance-baby-gatling/
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/25/shot-2023-tippmann-ordnance-22lr-gatling-gun/
MSRP is $5600, but they can be ordered for $4500 as of the writing of this article.
:O
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The Baby KSG is Here! The .410 KSG Shotgun
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/28/shot-2023-baby-ksg-410-ksg-shotgun/
the .410 KSG manages to bring something to the table in that its smaller barrel and tubes make this version of the KSG much smaller and lighter than the original 12 gauge KSG.
I don't have anything in 410 gauge. I guess it depends on just how small and light this version is. The capacity might be less also.
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Palmetto State Armory’s “Duty Grade” Sabre Rifle Series
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/27/shot-show-2023-palmetto-state-armorys-duty-grade-sabre-rifle-series/
New for 2023, PSA is introducing a higher end series of ARs with nicer components and several upgrades out of the box. The new Sabre series rifles have features such as cold hammer forged barrels, improved controls and upgraded charging handles. They will also be available with milspec style forged receivers, or billet receivers with improved ambidextrous controls.
I will be curious to see what the reviews say later on.
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https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/shotguns/ksg410/
Okay.
MSRP of $495. Eventually, the street price might be pretty low. That makes it more tempting to try out. More competitive with Mossberg 410 pump shotguns.
Capacity: 5+5+1. Not terrible.
Weight: 5.4 lbs. That is pretty light.
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MSRP of $495. Eventually, the street price might be pretty low. That makes it more tempting to try out. More competitive with Mossberg 410 pump shotguns.
Yeah, Kel-Tec products due to limited supply and high demand often go for more than MSRP for a while after being released.
After things settle down I would guess a street price in the $400-450 range assuming production keeps up with demand.
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But, will it chamber and shoot .45lc?
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Palmetto State Armory’s “Duty Grade” Sabre Rifle Series
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/27/shot-show-2023-palmetto-state-armorys-duty-grade-sabre-rifle-series/
I will be curious to see what the reviews say later on.
The guy said they'll be doing them as build kits as well. I would be interested in that. I like that it will be full ambi.
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The ZEV/Magpul Folding Defensive Carbine (FDC) is Almost Here
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/28/shot-2023-zev-magpul-folding-defensive-carbine-fdc-almost/
This is fairly interesting mainly due to how compact it folds up. However, it sort of looks like a Glock with a fold out stock and a few carbine features added.
The other 9mm carbine that rotates looks more interesting. The Pivot folding 9mm Carbine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA95HSvwG84
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And just in time for the new brace rule......
Palmetto State Armory Krinkovs
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/19/shot-2023-palmetto-state-armory-krinkovs/
New for 2023 from Palmetto State Armory are AKS-74U (a.k.a. Krinkov) style pistols. PSA brought to SHOT Show 2023 the versions of their new Krinkovs chambered in 5.45x39mm and 5.56x45mm, which will be the first to hit the shelves, however, they will also be offering these pistols chambered in .300 Blackout and 7.62x39mm. The PSA Krinkovs are completely made in-house and will be available in Q1-Q2 2023.
The caliber choices are interesting.
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Kel-Tec R50 Rifle
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/28/shot-2023-new-keltec-ksg410-r50-rifle/
Also new from KelTec is their R50, a 16″ barreled rifle version of their P50 5.7×28 pistol, complete with a folding stock that attaches to the bottom of the grip
Apparently they also have a rifle conversion kit with barrel and stock. I didn't realize they had that.
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https://www.primaryarms.com/ad/sale/in-stock/false/sale-name/24-hour-deal?trk_msg=4LGVHH35IBSKBAA2VEBG4JE1GC&trk_contact=5HODPFHLQF1DBVN85D58FA3I1S&trk_sid=JIRHGUU4COVB71QSCKSEKBSP68&trk_link=7HE7B2DUK5049D1NO6HV0NLH10&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=BANNER_1&utm_campaign=23_01_AD29_24hour_Sale
Just thought I would pass this along. Primary Arms has Geissele uppers marked down. They say they are "blem", but all of them are 10" and 11" uppers. $650.
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New No-Baffle Vanquish Suppressors from Angstadt Arms
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/28/shot-2023-new-no-baffle-vanquish-suppressors-from-angstadt-arms/
These suppressors look like a full length barrel with ports and a shroud around it to catch the gasses. I couldn't see whether the rifle goes all the way out to the end of the barrel or not. The comments about velocity make me think it does. Looks like the ports can be plugged to tune velocity with your particular ammo.
https://angstadtarms.com/vanquish/
(https://angstadtarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/integrally-suppressed-ar-9-barrel.jpg)
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https://www.brownells.com/ammunition/rifle-ammo/hyperformance-5-7x28mm-rifle-ammo-prod147256.aspx?trk_msg=6B9B2LD4M7A431VB1UC9FLHJVC&trk_contact=5HODPFHLQF1DBVN85D58FA3I1S&trk_sid=CV8IJOEP4M11ILC1KL4PJK3OD4&trk_link=L8L8QKPJEENKP2VALAL8FS9UE0&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Fiocchi+Jacketed+Frangible+5.7x28&utm_campaign=Ammunition&utm_content=2023_01_29_Fiocchi
Just saw this Fiochi 5.7 ammo on a Brownells email. Glad to see more ammo makers putting out that round. I would love to see the price come down low enough to make it a viable plinking round. 9mm pricing at least would be great.
Also, looks like PSA has 5.7 ammo on their site under their AAC brand. Not in stock so no price shown.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-7x28mm-ammo-40-grain-v-max-50rd-box.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-7x28mm-ammo-40-grain-fmj-50rd-box.html
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Last time I bought 5.7 I paid $18 a box for FN.
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New No-Baffle Vanquish Suppressors from Angstadt Arms
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/28/shot-2023-new-no-baffle-vanquish-suppressors-from-angstadt-arms/
These suppressors look like a full length barrel with ports and a shroud around it to catch the gasses. I couldn't see whether the rifle goes all the way out to the end of the barrel or not. The comments about velocity make me think it does. Looks like the ports can be plugged to tune velocity with your particular ammo.
https://angstadtarms.com/vanquish/
(https://angstadtarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/integrally-suppressed-ar-9-barrel.jpg)
This is "radically new?"
Hogwash.
I remember reading decades ago that Francis Gary Powers (the downed U-2 pilot) had a suppressed Hi-Standard .22 as part of his survival kit. The pistol had a bunch of holes drilled in the barrel which was wrapped in steel wool with a shroud over the wrappings. Back in the '70s Ciener was suppressing Marlin .22 rifles with a shrouded and ported barrel, with the suppressor extending beyond the barrel to form an expansion chamber at the end - instead of steel wool, he used small brass eyelets for packing. The details may differ in some small ways, but I'm pretty sure there were still others doing more or less what Angstadt is doing now.
So I guess what's old is new again.
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Don't you know? Everything is "radically" now
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This is "radically new?"
Hogwash.
I remember reading decades ago that Francis Gary Powers (the downed U-2 pilot) had a suppressed Hi-Standard .22 as part of his survival kit. The pistol had a bunch of holes drilled in the barrel which was wrapped in steel wool with a shroud over the wrappings. Back in the '70s Ciener was suppressing Marlin .22 rifles with a shrouded and ported barrel, with the suppressor extending beyond the barrel to form an expansion chamber at the end - instead of steel wool, he used small brass eyelets for packing. The details may differ in some small ways, but I'm pretty sure there were still others doing more or less what Angstadt is doing now.
So I guess what's old is new again.
And the MP5SD uses a similar set-up. Maybe the new part is that the ports can be blocked to improve velocity.
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HI-POINT JXP10 10mm 5.2" 10rd Threaded Barrel Pistol - Black
https://www.kygunco.com/product/hi-point-jxp10-jxp10-10mm-5.2-black-10rd?avad=190366_b2e134201
$219.99
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https://aimsurplus.com/products/czech-cz83-380-auto-pistol-standard-grade?mc_cid=7c42ee7767&mc_eid=2d3cb38bb0
Not new, but AIM Surplus is advertising CZ 83 pistols in 380 acp. $400 isn't cheap, but about normal compared to the last time I saw them for sale.
Anyway, my experience is they are good 380 pistols with decent capacity.
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I thought I would pass this on....
FN 5.7X28MM SS190 AP, BLACK TIP, ARMOR PIERCING, 50RD BOX
https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/FN-5-7X28MM-SS190-AP-BLACK-TIP-ARMOR-PIERCING-50RD-BOX-311p11105.htm
Only $199.99
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Looks like they've changed the marketing for the JR-15. No more skull babies.
https://wee1tactical.com/